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00:00:38.799Um, why is God so anti-Semitic that whole that whole Israel uh doing the the gay pride parade right in the sight of of Sodom and Gomorrah?
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00:00:40.159Like, are they kidding me?
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00:00:45.759At the very least, you like you got some balls, guys.
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00:00:50.799You got some gay balls, but you got some balls to try that.
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00:00:55.119Yeah, because they they chose that spot as a middle finger.
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00:00:57.840Like to like, that's why they're doing it there.
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00:01:01.679Putting the one wire all over all the way around, like you know, Manhattan.
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00:01:07.359You know, that that that's one thing, but you're giving God a middle finger for people that don't know that.
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00:01:10.480All right, so like on Sabbath, they're not you're not supposed to leave your house.
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00:01:16.079So they put this wire around like all of um, oh shoot, what area in Brooklyn is it?
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00:01:22.959It's like this whole area in Brooklyn, so that because the wire encloses the whole area, they're allowed to like go out and walk around.
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00:01:28.719It's an entire property then their property because the wire stretches around.
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00:01:31.920It's like, oh, we tricked God, we're so smart.
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00:01:38.319But yeah, no, it's not Williamsburg, it's um oh man, I can't somebody say Williamsburg.
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00:01:47.840Not that important, but we weren't I don't know what happens if you snip the wire, but I know that would they like to snip something else though?
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00:01:57.760Um yeah, we uh we weren't even gonna do the show tonight.
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00:02:11.840I um like all day I I thought I had to go for uh a medical exam for my CDL, and I was driving to it, and the doctor called me back, and they were like, Oh, we can reschedule it for you.
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00:02:23.280So we we didn't know what we were gonna talk about, and then we saw the Pope Leo comments.
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00:02:36.479But it's uh it's kind of an interesting uh thing with the Leo thing.
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00:04:51.920Um, yeah, this this Leo story is um it kind of just like confirms me in everything I think.
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00:04:54.240I don't know, like just watching the way this is going.
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00:04:58.959I I I I put up uh Pope Splainer's tweet and Christopher Hale's tweet.
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00:05:04.480Pope Splainer just gave like the first half of Leo's comments, and Christopher Hale gave the second half of Leo's comments.
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00:05:04.800Hold on.
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00:05:09.120There might be people who have no idea what comments we're talking about.
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00:05:10.399So Pope Splainer.
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00:05:12.720I mean, this is yeah, this is you want to just bring up the tweet then?
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00:05:15.040I guess you could look look for my tweet.
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00:05:19.519So uh Pope Leo I'm not I'm saying why don't we read what Pope Leo said.
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00:05:20.720Yeah, well, I have the video.
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00:05:21.600I sent the video.
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00:05:25.199We could actually play play the Leo video, we'll go through it.
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00:05:32.639Um I definitely sent one of them that has the video.
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00:05:41.759So yeah, we'll play the we'll play Pope Leo's comments, well, his actual comments, and we'll we'll dissect.
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00:06:00.800Um, I would like to know how you assess the decision of Cardinal Reinhardt Marx, uh, Archbishop from uh Mun uh Munich and Freising um on the um permission the uh that he gave permission to the blessing of same-sex couples in his diocese.
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00:06:15.360And in light of uh different cultural and theological perspectives, especially in Africa, um, how do you intend to preserve the unity of the global church on that particular matter?
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00:06:25.199First of all, I think it's very important to understand that the unity or division of the church should not revolve around sexual matters.
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00:06:32.079We tend to think that when the church is talking about morality, that the only issue of morality is sexual.
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00:06:49.040And in reality, I believe there are much greater and more important issues such as justice, the equality, freedom of men and women, uh, freedom of religion, that would all take priority before that particular issue.
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00:06:52.240The Holy See has already spoken to the German bishops.
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00:07:15.360The Holy See has made it clear that um we do not agree with the formalized blessing of couples, in this case, homosexual couples, as you ask, or couples in irregular situations, beyond what was specifically uh, if you will, um allowed for by Pope Francis and saying all people receive blessings.
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00:07:25.519When a priest gives a blessing at the end of Mass, when the Pope gives a blessing at the end of a large celebration like such we have today, there are blessings of all people.
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00:07:44.480Francis' uh infamous, famous, uh well-known uh expression of tutti, tutli, tuti is an expression of the church's belief that all are welcome, all are invited, all are invited to follow Jesus, and all are invited to look for conversion in their lives.
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00:07:56.959To go beyond that today, um I I think that the topic can cause more disunity than unity, and that we should look for ways to build our unity upon Jesus Christ and what Jesus Christ teaches.
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00:08:00.480So that's how I would respond to that question.
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00:08:05.680It's um look, I mean, he told the German bishops they can't formalize this thing.
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00:08:06.720That's good.
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00:08:25.439Um but uh I I have a I have a priest friend, uh diocesan priest friend, who like he's he's worried that um he's worried that Leo is in some ways like because because like Francis caused a lot of stir with stuff, right?
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00:08:29.199Like every every time Francis would say something like you get the headlines out of Rome.
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00:08:32.960I mean, we even we got Fiducia supplicants from Francis, you know.
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00:08:41.200Yeah, and in some ways Leo's like putting uh boundaries on that, which is good, right?
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00:08:49.679But in but in other ways he's formalizing the stuff that was like so controversial under Francis, so it's like except nothing he said there was formal.
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00:08:52.960No, I mean, like it's not a formal decree or anything.
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00:09:00.000No, I know, but he's he's he's like um like there's not gonna be any corrections of anything, in other words, right?
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00:09:01.519Like it's gonna just probably not.
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00:09:06.080I mean, there's not gonna be like and I will get excommunicated.
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00:09:13.120No, well, well, that's another interesting thing because I was I was speaking with a different priest about uh excommunicating Germany, right?
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00:09:55.759And like I know as like traditional or orthodox Catholics, like our instinct is excommunicate the heretics, but schism really is a sin of charity, and it it doesn't it doesn't go well when the church uh excommunicates entire uh countries, like um I see what you're saying, uh I guess it wouldn't go well today, you know, like maybe during the Middle Ages and like actual I don't I don't think maybe individual bishops, but not an entire bishops conference, like that it didn't go well with England, it didn't go well with the East West split.
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00:10:08.399Like it's a but once yeah, but then there were many other times where the Pope laid an interdict on a on a on a county or on a duchy or on a whole kingdom, and it was successful, yeah.
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00:10:13.600I yeah, like you said though, I don't see that we live in a different age, yeah.
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00:10:16.559It would it would drive it would harden their hearts.
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00:10:33.840And I I think that in some ways it's um like what's going on with Germany is you know, like you even see what happened with the SSPX, like Benedict really was going out of his way to lift the excommunications and trying to bring them back in.
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00:10:42.639And it's uh it's once you once you once you lay that excommunication down, it's especially now, it's hard to heal that wound.
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00:10:50.559And I think you know, you're not just excommunicating those bishops, you're basically cutting off Germany from faithful, like the faithful Catholics of Germany.
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00:10:51.600What do they do?
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00:10:53.519All 20 of them.
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00:10:57.120Yeah, and I know I know it's not pretty over there.
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00:10:59.919It's not pretty over there.
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00:11:08.320I guess I mean, so what 50 50% of that statement was not bad.
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00:11:13.440The other 50% was what you would expect from every Pope after the council, I guess.
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00:11:24.879Um my biggest criticism would be and it's I can't I I don't know if it's gonna happen yet, but what happens with the SSBX in July?
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00:11:28.559Like, are they gonna have you know the book thrown at them?
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00:11:31.919I don't think I don't think they'll have the book thrown at them.
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00:11:46.240I think it'll just be one of those late sentencia excommunications, and nothing will be said, and it'll be oh, we should well except except the last time in '88, it was still that that same sort of excommunication, but they did uh say it the Vatican said it publicly.
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00:11:46.720Yeah.
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00:11:55.600Now is Leo gonna do that to the SSBX and yet not do anything when because we all know Cardinal Marx is going ahead with these formal gay blessings.
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00:11:57.919Yeah, I don't yeah, this is a good question.
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00:12:03.039Do we think excommunicating individual bishops is gonna be successful for bishops in this age, or is pride too strong?
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00:12:08.159Like with Vegano without the shunning of all Christendom, one yeah, that's a good point, man.
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00:12:12.320Vegano's only gotten hardened down in his position.
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00:12:16.799And look, it's not even like vegano's become the mega hero.
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00:12:21.919You ex you excommunicate Marx, and he's just gonna be a liberal hero, you know what I mean?
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00:12:25.919Like vegano, I just can't take seriously because he called Trump the catacomb.
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00:12:30.159I mean, like, how do you take somebody seriously?
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00:12:35.759Because Vegano's first few letters came out and they sounded like epistles from like the first century.
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00:12:39.440Is that like what like an epistle uh from Barnabas or something?
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00:12:44.720It really did sound great, and then he started mixing in with the political stuff, and he lost me.
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00:12:48.639It's like do you think he's actually written all of his stuff?
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00:12:49.840That's a good question.
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00:12:57.039Because we're talking about kind of a nobody before, you know, but he he was just a kind of a nobody pol.
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00:12:58.639He was a the nuncio to the US.
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00:13:01.279Like, does anyone know the current nuncio to the US?
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00:13:07.519No, like I don't know, you know, it was his whole career Christophe Pierre, very strange.
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00:13:08.720I think I know it.
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00:13:12.080Yeah, well, because it was just in the news last week.
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00:13:20.559I know because we're like uber nerds, I'm probably wrong anyway, but it's like we're we're like uber nerds about this stuff, but like, yeah, I don't know.
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00:13:36.320I think look, I think that we we as Catholics need to just just understand this is where we are at the moment, and I I personally don't think we get a restoration of Peter until after the Antichrist.
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00:13:37.360Like, I just don't.
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00:13:47.759I think this stuff continues on, and I think in some way, like Peter is still the restrainer, but you do have this weakened version of Peter, like every Pope since the council.
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00:13:50.960I mean, it's just what we've seen since the council, every single pope.
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00:14:00.240We talk about it all the time, but they just there's this reticence to put forth the the teachings of Christ boldly.
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00:14:05.200They're just they're just kind of like these, you know, he's got all that religious freedom stuff mixed in.
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00:14:11.840Now, at the same time, we're not in a time where there's Catholic countries with Catholic kingdoms and Catholic kings, right?
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00:14:20.480So, in a certain sense, the Pope kind of does need to talk about religious freedom for pe for Catholics living in in hostile lands.
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00:14:24.159He was coming back from his trip to Africa, you know, for that on that interview.
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00:14:35.279Like he had just you know, I mean, there there needs to be freedom for the true religion in Africa, and there's not in many places, so so so it's it's appropriate at the same time.
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00:14:38.960I'm not gonna pretend that's exactly how he meant it, you know what I mean?
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00:15:09.440Like, yeah, yeah, I think we're in a situation in the world now where there's going to be so much hostility towards Catholics that I they're kind of grasping at straws, like no no no, religious freedom, religious freedom, because there's uh dude, there's persecution on the way, you know, and uh there's persecution on the way, and it's gonna start subtly, and it's gonna start with you know, uh Catholics, especially Catholics if they speak out on certain issue, you issues, you're going to see a lot of pushback and stuff.
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00:15:18.879So I think that the all the time, you know, I think the the the issue of religious freedom spoken about at Vatican II was a major problem.
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00:15:19.360Yeah.
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00:15:26.480Um potentially, I mean that especially in relation to to the Jews and and Muslims.
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00:15:30.159Um it's probably the what the biggest error of Vatican II.
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00:15:33.360Um, hang on one sec.
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00:15:38.639Who are you texting?
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00:15:39.759Joe.
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00:15:41.840Doesn't he get enough of you at work now?
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00:15:44.399I mean literally in the chat, he knows I'm on a show.
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00:15:45.759Why are you texting me?
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00:15:49.600It's like um the I'm sorry, Rob, what did you say?
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00:15:50.960I don't even know.
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00:15:57.440No, I think um I I think even with the other statement Leo put out today, what was the other one?
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00:15:59.200Uh the other question they asked them.
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00:16:16.639Um, did you see the it turned that it turned out that the um uh praying for Francis on the the day of the anniversary of his entrance into heaven was a misquote like a made-up quote?
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00:16:22.559Yeah, I mean, yes and no, it was obviously from the the Pontifex Twitter account.
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00:16:24.240Is that really a 12-year-old girl?
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00:16:26.000Maybe that really is a post story.
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00:16:38.320But whoever tweeted it was um paraphrasing uh Leo's quote from his whatever you know address he gave on the anniversary of his death.
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00:16:42.879And in the address, Leo said on this the anniversary of Francis' death.
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00:16:48.799But in the Twitter tweet, it was on this the uh you know the anniversary of his of his birth in heaven.
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00:16:51.279Yeah, that's kind of shady.
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00:16:59.600Um and then the other one was uh the uh Pope Leo talks about his uh the the uh borders issue.
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00:17:02.879Um the oh yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
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00:17:04.799See if we could pull that one up.
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00:17:07.279Um and this is another one.
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00:17:11.200It's like you could you could nitpick it and you could find issues with it.
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00:17:19.200It's just the look, it's it's a so I don't I don't have a video, but the quote is uh from Leo.
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00:17:23.359I personally believe that a state has the right to establish rules at its borders.
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00:17:32.400I do not like the idea that everyone enters as if there were no order, and at times creating even more unjust situations than those they had left behind.
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00:17:58.720Yeah, look, so what what what you would really want a pope to say is something like we need to uh treasure our national identities, and you know, you'd want him to push for um you know nations to to maintain their their heritage and to have a love of patrimony and things like that.
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00:18:06.960But you did get, I mean he, you know, you're getting you you you're just getting bland Catholicism.
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00:18:15.279That's just what that's just what we what we're what we're in store for, and I I I think that's just where where we're where we're gonna be at.
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00:18:19.440So I I the um the I wish man.
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00:18:24.319I wish you'll say I gotta I gotta I know who we didn't get it from.
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00:18:26.480We definitely didn't get any money from the ADL.
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00:18:34.480No, but it it is kind of interesting that all the stuff that we're allowed to say now that we used to not be allowed to say.
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00:18:42.799I did get uh a couple of uh DMs from Eric Salmons, which is interesting because like he he kind of like stopped talking to me and now he's kind of talking to me a little bit again.
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00:18:48.319And uh one of them he goes, Let me know how I can get some of that that sweet SPLC money.
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00:18:49.279That story is interesting.
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00:18:50.880We should get Dave Riley on.
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00:19:03.279Dave Riley was involved with the um Unite the Right, Riley, the Unite the Right rally, and the SPLC got him like fired from his radio gig and all this stuff, so he's he's kind of going off right now.
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00:19:04.960We should get it, we should get him on.
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00:19:12.640Um, but I don't know if we're gonna get the Catholic answers money when we have a AI Trent voice um on our intros.
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00:19:18.799I said Trent will literally have a gay apostate on a show before he has one of us on it.
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00:19:21.359I mean, that is literally what he did, yeah.
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00:19:23.519He responded to that too.
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00:19:24.799Yeah, I don't know, man.
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00:19:30.079I don't know where we fit in because we're we're not like I I we're not Pope's planers.
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00:19:38.319We're not gonna, I don't, I don't, I think it's stupid to highlight just the one portion of what Leo said to sound like he said said some base statement.
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00:19:49.920And I think it's also wrong to highlight just the other part where he says we should just focus on, you know, this causes disunity and we should stop focusing on sexual morality so much because that's not the only morality that exists.
00:19:50.160 -->
00:19:54.480In a in a way, you could take that as a subtle shot to the Germans, too, right?
00:19:54.640 -->
00:20:01.920Like to the Germans saying, like, you guys are too focused on sexual sexual issues, like let's let's focus on on bigger matters.
00:20:02.000 -->
00:20:21.279You guys are so obsessed on this because that was an obsession of the 60s, and it's not I mean, Trump, Trump coming in was kind of an end to that obsession on that stuff, and yeah, no, Christopher Hale's cut uh cutoff was very shady, but uh it's something you would see on life site news.
00:20:21.839 -->
00:20:22.720True, yeah.
00:20:22.960 -->
00:20:25.599Matter of fact, I think I did see that on life site news too.
00:20:25.839 -->
00:20:46.960Life site news would do this like Christopher Hale could work for life site news, like it's just it's the same thing where you're just you're you're quote mining something to make it seem like he's saying one thing when he did say the thing, they did it to me with the um uh with uh uh I think it was Canon 212 today.
00:20:47.200 -->
00:20:55.920Canon 212 uh took a quote from me and he and he said uh from a from a body, he said, Are you are you people that retarded?
00:20:56.000 -->
00:20:57.440Are we really talking about midterms?
00:20:57.519 -->
00:20:58.400We're way beyond voting.
00:20:58.480 -->
00:20:59.519I'm an accelerationist.
00:20:59.599 -->
00:21:01.839Let's let the freaking Democrats get in.
00:21:02.000 -->
00:21:06.720But really, what I said, I did say that, like he did that's a proper quote.
00:21:06.960 -->
00:21:11.519He just cut it off because I said, No matter who you vote for, it's the same freaking party.
00:21:11.680 -->
00:21:16.160Even looking at it through a right-left dial dialectic is kabbalistic witchcraft.
00:21:16.240 -->
00:21:22.160So he's cutting it off to make it sound like I want Democrats to win when my position is it doesn't matter who wins.
00:21:22.319 -->
00:21:26.480So this is like the game people play with with this stuff.
00:21:26.640 -->
00:21:42.559It's you know, when you when you misattribute quotes or you give uh a portion of a quote, and you know, I think what we talked about last episode is where I'm settling in on my position, where I I think I think the Pope is absolutely the catacomb.
00:21:42.799 -->
00:21:47.920I think that it's or the the papacy in general, the papacy in general, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:48.240 -->
00:21:55.680Um, and yeah, and I think that he is a restrainer, and he was a restrainer today with the German bishops.
00:21:55.759 -->
00:21:59.440I just think that strain that restrainer is handicapped in the time we live in.
00:22:00.160 -->
00:22:06.079And I think that the symbolism of the the the handicapped restrainer is very important to understand.
00:22:06.240 -->
00:22:18.720I actually just ordered another book uh about um I ordered a book on Pope Benedict's uh understanding of the evil within the church.
00:22:18.880 -->
00:22:23.440Um let me s let me see if I can actually get the uh the name of the book.
00:22:23.519 -->
00:22:23.920Hang on.
00:22:24.079 -->
00:22:25.599It is I just ordered it.
00:22:25.680 -->
00:22:27.759It's called Oh, the mystery of evil.
00:22:27.920 -->
00:22:29.759So uh the mystery of evil.
00:22:29.839 -->
00:22:45.680It's like the unveiling of the apocalypse is the unveiling of the mystery of iniquity, and what we're watching right now is the mystery of iniquity taking hold of the world, of the church, all this stuff, and it's kind of just playing out in in in front of us.
00:22:45.920 -->
00:22:51.359Another interesting thing is um, when you go into that whole thing we talked about last time.
00:22:51.599 -->
00:22:58.880If you guys didn't watch last episode, I thought it was a really look, we could be wrong on some of the stuff, but at least it's interesting, it's like interesting stuff we're talking about.
00:22:59.119 -->
00:23:08.240And it was what was interesting about it is that uh Pope Benedict was was telling us to read Ticonius.
00:23:08.640 -->
00:23:29.519And Ticonius's uh uh thesis is basically that the the great apostasy is not about people leaving the church, it's about the church itself, like the hierarchy becoming apostate, and then the true church will eventually have to leave that church.
00:23:29.680 -->
00:23:45.920And Benedict pointing to Lefebvre so often was interesting that like he said, uh Lefebvre could be might in uh we don't we don't really know the consequences of Archbishop Lefebvre, he may be the most important bishop of the 20th century or something, something along those lines.
00:24:08.400 -->
00:24:09.200Paul talked about it.
00:24:09.279 -->
00:24:14.799He's like the uh schisms must come because it's uh they're they're they're they reveal something.
00:24:14.960 -->
00:24:30.880And I think Benedict saw the SSPX kind of doing that in that they were holding to tradition and holding to these things, and he wanted to keep that close to the church so that we, you know, he wanted the mutual enrichment.
00:24:30.960 -->
00:24:32.799He didn't want us to lose.
00:24:33.440 -->
00:24:40.079He didn't want us, they didn't want them to just be cut off as schismatics and have and not have people have any access to tradition.
00:24:40.400 -->
00:24:52.559Benedict giving us tumor and pontificum, I think, was him trying to build greater devotion to the mass because he saw the consequences of the new mass, and I think he wanted to build up devotion back to the mass.
00:24:52.640 -->
00:25:04.640I like I really do see what he was doing there as attempts at having a hermeneutic of continuity of some kind, but it just it just didn't work, man.
00:25:04.720 -->
00:25:08.559It just you know, it's and then and then Francis coming in.
00:25:08.720 -->
00:25:29.680Francis was like he just gave ammunition and he gave he reignited these wars that were going on in the 70s, these wars that were going on in the 70s where the liberals were going crazy, and then when John Paul II came in, he kind of tempered that down and put forward like this new way to look at Orthodox Catholicism.
00:25:29.920 -->
00:25:36.799And it was like, all right, we'll have the new mass, and you know, we'll have this religious liberty thing, and we'll have all the stuff from the council.
00:25:36.960 -->
00:25:50.000He tried to put a framework for the council to work, and that gave rise to a whole like a whole industry of people pushing the new springtime, the hermeneutic of continuity.
00:25:50.160 -->
00:25:55.920Uh, you all have really helped me understand so many new things as someone who's been Catholic for three years, coming Corpus Christi.
00:25:56.160 -->
00:26:08.559Yeah, look, because the I do think what Rob and I's role in this whole thing is to keep keep people like not freaking out when you see kind of things like this.
00:26:08.720 -->
00:26:13.359And don't jump to orthodoxy and don't jump to settivic contism, don't do any of that.
00:26:13.440 -->
00:26:22.079Like, this is part of like Jesus told us these things would happen so that we would not lose faith when they do.
00:26:22.720 -->
00:26:33.839Um and this whole this whole period in the 70s like gave gave it it had like you had the liberal segment and you had the conservative Catholic segment.
00:26:33.920 -->
00:26:43.920So you had the uh like the the the Franciscan University and the Scott Hans and you know the the Steve Rays, and and that's how Catholic Inc kind of comes into being.
00:26:44.000 -->
00:26:47.200And Scott Hahn, how many conversions come through him?
00:26:47.279 -->
00:27:09.279And uh, and then you have the the liberal segment that was always always had to kind of hide themselves, and they would always mask themselves and come out, and you'd see these super liberal cardinals not really come out in the open, and they would go to the March for Life rallies and they would talk about abortion, but behind the scenes, they were always up to this liberal agenda behind the scenes, and they were doing horrific things in the seminaries.
00:27:09.440 -->
00:27:32.319And when Francis comes out, those guys are reinvigorated, and all of the all of the debates that we thought were settled under John Paul II and Benedict, because after John Paul II uh passes, the like these groups were thinking this was their chance, they were gonna they were gonna get their guy in, and then Benedict gets elected, and they're just like, Are you kidding me?
00:27:32.480 -->
00:27:37.519And Benedict, he was called God's Rottweiler on the under JP2's papacy, man.
00:27:37.599 -->
00:27:43.759It was like he was called God's Rottweiler, like he was the he was the doctrinal chief of the CDF, you know.
00:27:44.000 -->
00:27:57.440Which which really goes to to show you just how uh how degraded things were in that time that Benedict, who sure is a conservative, you know, like he's a modernist conservative, right?
00:27:57.599 -->
00:28:05.200Like he's uh like if he's God's rottweiler, what the hell were you guys at like wanting in the 70s and 80s?
00:28:05.359 -->
00:28:27.200But no, but dude, I will tell like I still have a deep affection for Benedict, and especially now, like I really think I don't know going back in love with Benedict right now, and and it especially for all right, so in in the 2017 era when the McCarrick stuff breaks, I blackpilled hard on JP2 and Benedict.
00:28:27.359 -->
00:28:41.680Like I really did, I blackpilled hard on those guys, and I'm like, oh, I was looking at was the Assisi meetings and the the the abuse scandal, and then hearing that Benedict was the one at the council that was pushing for all this stuff, and I blackpilled hard on those guys.
00:28:41.920 -->
00:28:45.599And yes, Benedict's a modernist, but he's our modernist, that's a good way to put it.
00:28:45.680 -->
00:28:47.920Yeah, it's actually a good way to put it.
00:28:48.160 -->
00:29:06.400And what the past couple of months have actually done for me is given me the ability to see this stuff in more of a more of a God's divine providence kind of way, and um still be able to have a deep affection for those guys, and uh, especially Benedict, man.
00:29:06.480 -->
00:29:16.160I'm telling you, the the way Benedict viewed things is so interesting to me because I even think he saw himself as the bishop in white in the Fatima prophecy.
00:29:16.319 -->
00:29:19.119There's a very easy answer to this, JP1.
00:29:19.599 -->
00:29:21.200Yeah, 30 days.
00:29:21.440 -->
00:29:23.039I mean, it's not even close.
00:29:23.279 -->
00:29:24.880I'm I'm like for real.
00:29:25.119 -->
00:29:26.000I'm not even kidding.
00:29:26.160 -->
00:29:28.240I'm not even kidding, it's not even kidding.
00:29:28.319 -->
00:29:32.240It's 30 days over the best 30 days since 1965.
00:29:32.640 -->
00:29:34.880No, I I still think it was Benedict.
00:29:35.039 -->
00:29:36.160I think it was Benedict.
00:29:36.240 -->
00:29:46.640I think I because I think Benedict um saw the error of a lot of the things he was doing when he was part of the concilium and all that stuff, and I think he had regret.
00:29:47.119 -->
00:29:52.240And I I also think he was as those things were going on.
00:29:52.319 -->
00:30:03.599I do think those guys had like this hopeful outlook and this optimistic outlook, and then there were revolutionaries in there also who were trying to undermine the whole thing and put their revolution in, putting in ambiguity that they knew they would weaponize later on.
00:30:03.680 -->
00:30:19.920Like, all that stuff is true, but I do think there uh like a guy like Benedict, who was a German archbishop, a German cardinal who was forced to join the Hitler youth, uh, and he has all this guilt associated with the Holocaust put on him.
00:30:20.079 -->
00:30:23.759And then you have John Paul II who was in Poland during all of this stuff.
00:30:23.920 -->
00:30:29.200Like, I think those guys after the war, they were just like they wanted to they wanted to see joy again.
00:30:29.279 -->
00:30:32.319They lived through such horrific times, such dark times.
00:30:32.559 -->
00:30:40.160And I think they like John Paul II for all his faults, I think he really did see it as a new springtime and a new evangelization and a new Pentecost.
00:30:40.319 -->
00:30:44.160But really, it was like the birth of this new thing that was coming about.
00:30:44.400 -->
00:30:47.200And I don't think they foresaw the wreckage.
00:30:47.279 -->
00:30:50.160I and I think Lefebvre did.
00:30:50.480 -->
00:31:00.720Lefebvre just had a different kind of foresight than those guys did, and Lefebvre saw even before the Assisi meetings, this is a disaster because he signed all those documents.
00:31:01.599 -->
00:31:04.400Lefebvre was French, they're like eternal pessimists.
00:31:04.799 -->
00:31:23.359But he signed all those documents, he was at the council, he signed all of them because even he got caught up in the in the ambiguity of it, and then once he saw how the council was being administered, once he saw the damage it was doing to people's faith, he just he did like an about face and he went, No way, absolutely not.
00:31:23.440 -->
00:31:32.880And then I think he went to celebrate mass somewhere, and they wouldn't let him celebrate the mass he had always celebrated, and that for him was just like this black.
00:31:34.079 -->
00:31:38.240Just as as as Ant was saying, Dark Times be avoided Babylon.
00:31:38.480 -->
00:31:39.200I don't I don't know, man.
00:31:39.279 -->
00:31:40.079What do you guys want?
00:31:40.160 -->
00:31:43.599I mean, you know, we will find more joyful things to talk about.
00:31:43.839 -->
00:31:46.640But but we're uh I want to be realistic about the Leo stuff.
00:31:46.720 -->
00:31:47.039That's all.
00:31:47.119 -->
00:31:48.720Like, I want to be realistic about it.
00:31:48.880 -->
00:31:57.680It's because I see I see what some trads are doing, and I'm like, I don't I don't know what the end game is.
00:31:58.319 -->
00:32:00.160I don't know what the end game is for them.
00:32:00.240 -->
00:32:02.480Is it just this bitching and moaning?
00:32:02.720 -->
00:32:06.079Bitching and moaning, and just trying to are you trying to blackpill everybody?
00:32:06.160 -->
00:32:10.240Like, I don't know what comes of saying Leo's an anti-pope.
00:32:10.319 -->
00:32:12.640I don't see how that's beneficial to anyone.
00:32:12.720 -->
00:32:15.039I don't see how this is helpful.
00:32:16.000 -->
00:32:18.880Like, I just don't see what the end game is for those guys.
00:32:18.960 -->
00:32:19.680What what is it?
00:32:19.759 -->
00:32:22.240Is it is it I don't know.
00:32:22.400 -->
00:32:23.839Like, I don't know.
00:32:23.920 -->
00:32:28.960I I the the Cardinal Manning book had a really big effect on me, and I just and then the St.
00:32:29.119 -->
00:32:31.039Catherine of Sienna quote where St.
00:32:31.119 -->
00:32:37.200Catherine of Sienna said, if the antichrist himself sat on the chair of Peter, I would not resist him.
00:32:37.839 -->
00:32:39.759Or I would obey him or something, right?
00:32:39.920 -->
00:32:59.440And she's not saying she would obey the antichrist, what she's saying is there's something so reverent about the chair of Peter, there is something so important about that C that even if a wicked man gets on there, you don't, you don't, you don't put yourself up as it might be a misquote.
00:32:59.519 -->
00:33:01.039I don't know, you're talking to me here, guys.
00:33:01.119 -->
00:33:01.599I don't know.
00:33:01.759 -->
00:33:03.920Like you know, whatever, whatever.
00:33:04.000 -->
00:33:08.720It's still it's still look, you know, it's kind of like preach the gospel, use words when necessary, I guess.
00:33:08.799 -->
00:33:10.799One of those, but you know what I'm saying.
00:33:10.960 -->
00:33:22.319Like the the the chair of Peter is such a holy thing that you I think that if you're positioning yourself against Peter, you are, especially if you're wrong.
00:33:23.039 -->
00:33:25.759Like, do you know the eternal consequences of something like that?
00:33:25.920 -->
00:33:27.680Like, if you're wrong on that.
00:33:29.839 -->
00:33:31.680So I think the whole good.
00:33:32.000 -->
00:33:33.519No, I can't I can't imagine.
00:33:33.599 -->
00:33:39.920And look, I I do think things are going to get uglier, and I do think this mystery of iniquity is going to get more and more bold within the church.
00:33:40.079 -->
00:33:41.839And I don't want people to blackpill from it.
00:33:41.920 -->
00:34:14.000I want you guys to actually see it as you're living through seeing prophecy unfold, and God chose us to live during this time, and it's gonna be super difficult, but it's also like my faith has never been more alive because of this stuff, because in a way, that like I I feel for the people, the trads right after the council, because they must have been just so confused because you're you're in this position where like obedience to the pope, but you also you know, you're I don't know, it just must have been such a confusing time.
00:34:14.079 -->
00:34:15.760That's why so many people left.
00:34:16.079 -->
00:34:20.880So many people just left because they took away like the innocent faith of like the little ones, you know.
00:34:21.119 -->
00:34:48.719And I think in hindsight for us, we have a little bit of a distance between the council and now, and in some ways it's scarier because we've seen the progression get worse and worse, but in other ways it's like you can actually you can make sense of seeing man, especially the especially the the situation of the the confrontation between the Jews and Christians right now, man.
00:34:48.880 -->
00:35:04.320That is that is something that is just I don't know, like I know people you're supposed to, you're supposed to develop, like I not that you're supposed to, like a lot of people see that confrontation and they they develop a hatred for these people.
00:35:04.480 -->
00:35:08.239A lot of people see that confrontation and they get very fearful.
00:35:08.400 -->
00:35:18.960I look at it like we're watching God's plan unfold, and holy cow, man, like everything he told us would happen is happening, and we're watching it.
00:35:19.199 -->
00:35:23.760And I don't know, I'm I'm in amazement at the way God's plan is unfolding.
00:35:24.480 -->
00:35:37.199Um, I think spiritually we're seeing now is an anti-Saint Francis mocking spirituality, the Assisi meetings of a version of Saint Francis meeting the Sultan, the Pachamama and Climate Cultists, yeah, for sure.
00:35:38.159 -->
00:35:45.440Look, you get into the you get into um Archbishop Fulton Sheen's prophecy, also, right?
00:35:45.519 -->
00:35:51.039And even um even Saint Padre Pio, both of them like St.
00:35:51.119 -->
00:35:56.239Padre Pio was like uh Satan is going to come to rule in the church.
00:35:56.400 -->
00:36:12.239Archbishop Fulton Sheen said the the there will be an ape of the church that for all those looking on, it will have all of the appearances of the church, and that's not a unique prophecy to these guys.
00:36:12.320 -->
00:36:19.440Like when you go back and you watch, you you read all of the mystics throughout church history, they talked about this happening.
00:36:19.679 -->
00:36:30.639So I don't like people shouldn't freak out and don't think in your head that because Christ promised the gates of hell would not prevail, that it would not appear as if the gates of hell have prevailed, because it will appear as though they have.
00:36:30.800 -->
00:36:39.840And then at the last second, when things seem at their darkest, God is going to come in and do something that will leave no doubt in anyone's mind that God did it.
00:36:40.159 -->
00:36:45.360Because that's how we that's it's that's the that's the that is the crucifixion and resurrection.
00:36:46.400 -->
00:36:55.760And this book, the the uh the end of the present world book really has me convinced that the coming of the antichrist is not the end of the world.
00:36:56.880 -->
00:37:02.480It's it's not the end of the world, that there is going to be a glorious earthly resurrection of the church.
00:37:02.719 -->
00:37:08.079Uh that's a pretty pretty pretty small minority opinion there.
00:37:09.920 -->
00:37:15.440Maybe, but it kind of lines up with our lady saying her immaculate heart will prevail in the end.
00:37:16.480 -->
00:37:20.559Um, and there will be uh an age of Mary.
00:37:21.679 -->
00:37:22.559So I don't know.
00:37:22.639 -->
00:37:27.039I've but I'm not I'm not I'm no longer like the end of the world is coming.
00:37:27.119 -->
00:37:29.440I'm more just like the Antichrist is coming.
00:37:29.599 -->
00:37:33.119Like I don't think that means the end of the world like that.
00:37:33.599 -->
00:37:42.639And it might be a minority opinion, but that's the kind of the interesting thing about um apocalyptic speculation is that we're not going to know until it happens.
00:37:44.480 -->
00:37:47.119Minority opinion, but it can be orthodox, yeah.
00:37:47.599 -->
00:37:48.400We love it.
00:37:48.480 -->
00:37:50.800It can be, but it can also be heretical too.
00:37:50.960 -->
00:38:02.559Like in what way it uh kind of borders on um almost like the millennial, millennial, uh millennius.
00:38:03.280 -->
00:38:04.400Millennium, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:04.480 -->
00:38:08.320But I don't think it I don't think it's going to be some thousand-year reign of the church.
00:38:08.719 -->
00:38:14.079I think it will be a period of you know, maybe 50 years or something, and then and then ch Christ's church.
00:38:14.159 -->
00:38:14.559I don't know.
00:38:14.639 -->
00:38:16.800Well that's that's kind of what that book was putting forward.
00:38:16.880 -->
00:38:18.239That's all I'm saying.
00:38:20.639 -->
00:38:27.039Um first the oh so you're yeah, the triumph of Mary comes before the Antichrist.
00:38:27.519 -->
00:38:28.880Is that what you're saying, Father?
00:38:29.119 -->
00:38:32.559I mean, that that's generally how it's perceived, right?
00:38:32.880 -->
00:38:34.000Before the Antichrist?
00:38:34.559 -->
00:38:35.199Yeah.
00:38:37.360 -->
00:38:38.239I don't know.
00:38:38.400 -->
00:38:38.800I don't know.
00:38:38.880 -->
00:38:41.519I feel like we're on the cusp of the Antichrist right now, man.
00:38:42.079 -->
00:38:43.360Oh, that's I yeah.
00:38:43.440 -->
00:38:51.119I I'm gonna actually look into all of this stuff way more because um 50 years, that's definitely heretical.
00:38:53.119 -->
00:38:53.760I don't know.
00:38:53.840 -->
00:38:57.119I want I I would like to know if it's uh contested.
00:38:57.199 -->
00:39:04.400Um, I'm going before I shoot my stupid mouth off, I would like to kind of look at where these different opinions are coming from.
00:39:04.559 -->
00:39:06.320Yeah, I would you know what I mean?
00:39:06.480 -->
00:39:11.280Because I I don't like the idea of just chasing mystics.
00:39:12.000 -->
00:39:37.280Like I want to know what the fathers think on it, I want to know what the church has taught about it, but I do know that um the stuff the the popes have been saying for the past century have been the antichrist is near, you know, and and that I think uh when does the destruction of Sede Inc.
00:39:37.440 -->
00:39:38.320fall on the timeline?
00:39:38.559 -->
00:39:41.280I thought we were calling them complaining, complaining.
00:39:44.800 -->
00:39:46.719Do your research before talking.
00:39:46.880 -->
00:39:48.800That's not what people tune in for, Ann.
00:39:49.119 -->
00:39:49.920That's true.
00:39:50.159 -->
00:39:51.360That is true.
00:39:51.599 -->
00:39:55.199No, I will I will I want to look into it more because I don't know.
00:39:55.280 -->
00:40:06.159I'm going by this book, and this book makes it seem like there's that the antichrist is not is not slain by Christ himself, but kind of like by the word of his mouth.
00:40:06.239 -->
00:40:10.320Like I what what um where is that in the apocalypse?
00:40:10.880 -->
00:40:12.400Uh let's actually read the verse.
00:40:12.480 -->
00:40:12.960Hang on.
00:40:25.679 -->
00:40:26.719Sorry guys.
00:40:27.199 -->
00:40:35.599Researching the way Revelation 13 3 Revelation 13 3.
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00:40:39.280Apocalypse 13 3.
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00:40:54.159Um one of the heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth flew uh followed the beast that would wonder, men worship that.
00:40:54.239 -->
00:40:55.679I don't think it would be that I think it would be it.
00:41:06.960 -->
00:41:08.159Oh man, this is terrible.
00:41:08.239 -->
00:41:09.760I should have had this up already.
00:41:11.199 -->
00:41:14.880I don't know, you gotta find the verse where anybody know it offhand?
00:41:15.199 -->
00:41:29.360Uh Daniel states Daniel states the Antichrist will reign X number of days, and then says that there will be uh 40 plus 45 number of days between the arrival of Antichrist and the second coming.
00:41:29.760 -->
00:41:31.280That's interesting.
00:41:31.679 -->
00:41:34.800Uh the Antichrist will reign for three and a half years.
00:41:35.039 -->
00:41:36.000We know that.
00:41:38.000 -->
00:41:42.480It'll be three and a half years of his reign, and we will lose the sacraments during that time.
00:41:42.559 -->
00:41:44.880Like the the the holy sacrifice will all right.
00:41:44.960 -->
00:41:46.320Let's bring Sam Shamoon on.
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00:41:50.559Oh, uh Second Um Second Thessalonians 2, 8.
00:41:52.159 -->
00:41:52.960Uh, hold on.
00:41:53.039 -->
00:41:54.320Bringing Sam Shamoon on.
00:41:54.480 -->
00:41:54.880Hold on.
00:41:55.119 -->
00:41:57.920What Sam Shamoon's coming on, hang on.
00:41:59.280 -->
00:42:00.639Hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:42:00.800 -->
00:42:01.280This is good.
00:42:01.360 -->
00:42:03.119We need it, we need a scripture scholar for this.
00:42:03.360 -->
00:42:05.280Judy, we have 20 minutes.
00:42:06.320 -->
00:42:08.000I'm getting off of 20 minutes.
00:42:08.320 -->
00:42:09.360Yeah, but bringing them on.
00:42:09.440 -->
00:42:10.719Hang on, hold on.
00:42:11.440 -->
00:42:15.519So it's 2 Thessalonians 2.8, and then the lawless one will be revealed.
00:42:15.760 -->
00:42:21.440The Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming.
00:42:21.920 -->
00:42:41.199But I guess the according to the book that the whatever the book you have there, that um a visible or powerful manifestation of Christ will slay the Antichrist without ending the world yet, according to that book.
00:42:41.440 -->
00:42:42.800Yeah, that's kind of what it was saying.
00:42:42.880 -->
00:42:54.480It didn't give a period of time how long it would be or anything, but that that it's it's uh like through the through the mouth through the word of of Christ or something or the tongue of Christ, but Sam will know.
00:42:54.559 -->
00:42:55.599Sam's Sam's gonna come on.
00:42:55.679 -->
00:42:56.320Hang on.
00:42:58.559 -->
00:43:03.760Uh what Sam?
00:43:04.000 -->
00:43:04.239Let's go.
00:43:04.320 -->
00:43:07.360We we we really do only have like a little bit of time left.
00:43:07.679 -->
00:43:11.599Uh he just texted me.
00:43:11.679 -->
00:43:13.920He said, Bring me on, I can help.
00:43:15.840 -->
00:43:16.559Here he is.
00:43:16.639 -->
00:43:16.960Let's go.
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00:43:18.159Halal Hogan.
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00:43:19.679Halal Hogan, what is up?
00:43:20.079 -->
00:43:20.960Your friend doesn't like me.
00:43:21.039 -->
00:43:22.239He said 20 minutes.
00:43:22.480 -->
00:43:26.079No, no, we we said we were gonna keep this one to an hour.
00:43:26.239 -->
00:43:29.360We said we were keeping tonight to an hour, but let's see him rip.
00:43:29.440 -->
00:43:29.760That's all right.
00:43:30.000 -->
00:43:34.800No, I was gonna comment because you said he doesn't slay him yet, because in 2 Thessalonians 2.8 it says he slays him.
00:43:34.880 -->
00:43:46.800You mentioned because I typed it in uh in the comment section, 2 Thessalonians 2.8, the man of sin, the Lord will slay him by his appearance and the breadth of his lips, which is a fulfillment of Isaiah 11, verse 4.
00:43:46.960 -->
00:43:52.079But Revelation 19, if you read it, the way he slays him, he doesn't kill him.
00:43:52.239 -->
00:43:55.920He throws him and the false prophet alive in the lake of fire.
00:43:57.280 -->
00:43:58.719That's Revelation 1920.
00:43:58.880 -->
00:44:00.559So if you go to Revelation 1920, 19.
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00:44:04.000He doesn't slay him physically.
00:44:05.199 -->
00:44:11.599How he slays him is he sends him and the false prophet into the lake of fire alive.
00:44:12.239 -->
00:44:21.119And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet, who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped in its image.
00:44:21.360 -->
00:44:32.320These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur, and the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.
00:44:32.639 -->
00:44:50.000Then what's interesting, however you interpret the thousand-year reign, whether you're Amil, whatever in Revelation 20, verse 10, it says, After the thousand years, Satan is loosed, he brings armies like Gog and Magog against the saints in holy city, fire comes down.
00:44:50.159 -->
00:44:58.000Then it says, Satan is thrown in the lake of fire, where the beast and the false prophet are.
00:44:58.480 -->
00:45:01.440So if you go to Revelation 20, verse 10, he'll read it for you if he has it.
00:45:02.320 -->
00:45:10.639The devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
00:45:11.039 -->
00:45:12.880So two things before yes, question.
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00:45:16.079Notice a thousand years later, they're still burning in hell.
00:45:16.320 -->
00:45:20.159Because Satan's thrown in a thousand years later, and then it says forever and ever.
00:45:20.480 -->
00:45:31.039So when it says slays him by the breath of his lips and his appearance, slay here doesn't mean slay him physically, slay him means he throws him to hell because it's a second death.
00:45:31.199 -->
00:45:32.800And we don't believe the Bible contradicts.
00:45:32.960 -->
00:45:34.880So that's all I wanted to say to help you out on that.
00:45:35.119 -->
00:46:02.159We uh, so we last episode we were kind of going through uh some stuff and just kind of listen, uh, going through uh some of the stuff Benedict was talking about and how the great apostasy, he he kept like uh Benedict kept making all these references to Ticonius, and when you go back and you read Ticonius, Ticonius's understanding of the great apostasy is not that not that everybody falls away from the church, but that the the bishops themselves will apostatize.
00:46:02.239 -->
00:46:36.880And that when you're reading in in the apocalypse about the a third of the stars falling from heaven, those are bishops that are falling from heaven because they're actually spewing out the devil's propaganda from the from the seats of their church, and that Ticonius believed that in the in the end during the reign of antichrist, the true church will have to come out of the church because the church will so it's like it's he does it in like a tripartite where it's like within the church there's the body of Christ, the body of the devil, and then the other third is the body that is outside of the church.
00:46:36.960 -->
00:46:50.719And he says the team the the the devil within the church and outside of the church will team up to crew to persecute the true church within the church, and and it's not it's not that hard to see it that way because we see it in our midst, right?
00:46:50.800 -->
00:46:56.800We do see bishops and cardinals who are out there spewing like the German bishops that we're talking about tonight, right?
00:46:56.880 -->
00:47:01.840The German bishops who were trying to push this uh same-sex marriage and things like that.
00:47:02.159 -->
00:47:10.719And it's it's it seems like that's that is the dominant mode of bishops that are in in power today.
00:47:10.800 -->
00:47:12.320So it's a it was an interesting show.
00:47:12.400 -->
00:47:13.360We we we got into that stuff.
00:47:13.679 -->
00:47:15.840I gotta watch it from the beginning because I just finished my show.
00:47:16.000 -->
00:47:24.079I was responding to a Brack Hebrew Israelite distorting the scriptures that Jesus isn't a God and God is ahead of Christ, and so I went really in depth.
00:47:24.239 -->
00:47:25.760But yeah, someone made a comment.
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00:47:32.159They thought Revelation 12, 3 to 4, that the third of the stars were actually demons.
00:47:32.320 -->
00:47:34.719No, actually, that is an interpretation.
00:47:35.039 -->
00:47:36.800Just want to let the person know, commented.
00:47:37.199 -->
00:47:59.039Something that's when the third of the angels rebelled, that is one interpretation, but it's not the only interpretation because, in the context, the third of the stars, in its immediate context, would actually refer to the 12 stars, which are the crown on top of the woman's head, 12 stars, sun and moon under her feet.
00:47:59.199 -->
00:48:05.920Woman, though it does point to the holy mother, the Theotokos, it has multi-layered meaning.
00:48:06.000 -->
00:48:09.519Yeah, if you read Revelation 12 carefully, I don't have time to pack this.
00:48:09.599 -->
00:48:10.960Obviously, you guys gotta go.
00:48:11.280 -->
00:48:21.280Revelation 12, it is an interpretation of Genesis 3, the woman and the serpent, the war between him and her, his seed, her seed.
00:48:21.840 -->
00:48:22.159Right?
00:48:22.400 -->
00:48:25.840When the woman is birth and labor pains, Genesis
3:16.
00:48:26.079 -->
00:48:28.480Nonetheless, it then points to Israel.
00:48:28.559 -->
00:48:29.280How do we know?
00:48:29.760 -->
00:48:34.480If you guys go to Genesis 37, 5 to 11, real quickly sum it up.
00:48:34.719 -->
00:48:36.239Joseph has two dreams.
00:48:36.480 -->
00:48:39.360He sees 11 sheaves bowing to his.
00:48:39.679 -->
00:48:40.639That's the first dream.
00:48:41.039 -->
00:48:43.599The 11 sheaves are his brothers, they bow to him.
00:48:44.079 -->
00:48:45.360Then he has a second dream.
00:48:45.599 -->
00:48:49.920He goes, I see the sun and the moon, 11 stars bowing to me.
00:48:50.480 -->
00:48:53.440Sun and moon, 11 stars bowing to me.
00:48:53.679 -->
00:48:54.800What did the woman have?
00:48:54.960 -->
00:48:59.039A crown of 12 stars, sun and moon beneath her feet.
00:48:59.440 -->
00:49:02.400That's Israel, because Israel's called a woman.
00:49:02.719 -->
00:49:10.480But Mary is true, Israel, because this woman gives birth to the Messiah, and that would apply to Mary all the more.
00:49:10.639 -->
00:49:19.119So some actually think that a third of the stars means that some of the Jews will be swept by Satan to do his bidding.
00:49:19.360 -->
00:49:20.960So it doesn't mean it's angelic.
00:49:21.119 -->
00:49:36.000Nonetheless, just want to let that gentleman the the um the last episode the last time I had you on, when you took me through the seat of the serpent and the seed of the woman, and you showed me how Apocalypse 3 9 is a fulfillment of Isaiah.
00:49:36.239 -->
00:49:43.920I I don't know if I've had one of those like moments where my brain just lit up and just like went crazy from in a long time.
00:49:44.320 -->
00:49:45.599It was just such an exciting episode.
00:49:45.679 -->
00:49:56.719If you guys didn't watch my last episode with Sam, um I put out we put out a like a 20-minute clip of the end of the show where Sam takes us through the seat of the serpent and the seat of the woman.
00:49:56.800 -->
00:50:02.960It is one of my yeah, it is one of my favorite uh scripture lessons I've I've ever done.
00:50:03.920 -->
00:50:07.440Pray for me because I got a lot of issues, especially anger issues, and people think I'm a meanie.
00:50:07.599 -->
00:50:08.960Pray for me, I need to be safe.
00:50:09.280 -->
00:50:11.679Rob, you gotta get to confession, Rob.
00:50:14.000 -->
00:50:14.880Just one thing I want to say.
00:50:14.960 -->
00:50:17.039This brother called it the chilliest hearsay.
00:50:17.199 -->
00:50:46.079You gotta be careful because there were saints of the church, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, just two of many, and this is something not only for my research, Robertson Genesis confirms that took the thousand-year reign of Christ literally, it became more of a doctrine that was objected later on, and with the influence of Saint Augustine, others viewed the thousand-year reign as being a reign that takes place on earth as being silly and stupid.
00:50:46.239 -->
00:50:49.599In fact, Eusebius insulted Papias, just real quickly.
00:50:49.840 -->
00:50:56.800Papius was the bishop of Saint Hereaplas who wrote a commentary on the sayings of the Lord in five volumes.
00:50:57.280 -->
00:50:59.119Eusebius had access to it.
00:50:59.440 -->
00:51:03.519Papius says the thousand-year reign takes place on earth and it's future.
00:51:03.679 -->
00:51:06.079Eusebius thought he was stupid for saying that.
00:51:06.480 -->
00:51:12.239But there were saints of the church that took the thousand-year reign to be future and literally on earth.
00:51:12.400 -->
00:51:16.639So when you say it's a heresy, be careful because you don't want to say they were heretics because they're not.
00:51:17.039 -->
00:51:18.079So just be careful.
00:51:18.400 -->
00:51:41.360I think, uh, I think that in in some way, as the church spreads and paganism is destroyed, there is a reign of Christ, and the church develops its doctrine of Christ the King, and all the nations at some point, not every single nation on the entire earth, but all of Christendom, they have kings and leader and rulers throughout all of Christendom who do see Christ as king.
00:51:41.519 -->
00:51:48.639And I think there is in some way a literal sense in which there is a reign of Christ the king on earth during that period.
00:51:48.719 -->
00:52:18.159I don't I don't know if you'd call it a literal thousand years, but it's a very real thing where where God's spirit covers the earth, all the nations do come to him, and that's how that's how the kingdom of heaven it's like like heaven colonizes earth after the resurrection, and through the church, and the church through her bishops are these these they are um oh man, they're uh they're rulers for like the stars from heaven, it's because they're principalities, right?
00:52:18.320 -->
00:52:27.199So the reason why a third of the stars falling from heaven is a symbol of the bishops is because the bishops actually are these principalities that rule Christ's kingdom.
00:52:27.360 -->
00:52:37.920Um, there's there uh if Cornelius Alapidae interpreted, I think it was uh Apocalypse eight or nine, eight or nine talks about a star falls from heaven, opens the key to the abyss.
00:52:39.280 -->
00:52:49.119Yeah, he he actually interprets that as he says that Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin prefigure the Pope and Bishops, right?
00:52:49.280 -->
00:53:01.440If you see it typologically, and the the star falling from heaven opening the key to the abyss is a bishop of very high importance doing something to open the key to the bottomless pit that allows Satan to then come back up.
00:53:01.519 -->
00:53:14.480You talk about the binding and loosing of Satan, like Satan is bound at the resurrection, and then this rain happens, and then there's a loose, a loosing where Satan is released from the bottomless pit and causes havoc on the earth again.
00:53:14.639 -->
00:53:18.719So it is it is uh send me send me an email or text.
00:53:18.800 -->
00:53:24.960I like to read how the early fathers and saints interpret because remember, I'm new to this game, I really like to see that interpret.
00:53:25.119 -->
00:53:26.159That's that's interesting.
00:53:26.239 -->
00:53:36.079And to confirm something when you said stars, Daniel 12 3 says, Those who are wise and teach people wisdom shall shine like stars of the firmament.
00:53:36.400 -->
00:53:38.320So believers are likened to stars.
00:53:38.480 -->
00:53:39.599So that is basis.
00:53:39.679 -->
00:53:42.880And another interesting thing, I'm sure you know this, but preach in the choir.
00:53:43.039 -->
00:53:53.039If you pay attention to the word angel in the seven churches, the word angel can mean messenger, and I'm actually convinced that's referring to the bishop of each church.
00:53:53.280 -->
00:53:56.880Because why would John write a letter to a spirit creature to read?
00:53:57.199 -->
00:53:58.559Yeah, right?
00:53:58.800 -->
00:53:59.679Yeah, that's interesting.
00:53:59.920 -->
00:54:02.079Isn't it interesting that the church of Smyrna?
00:54:02.239 -->
00:54:03.679There's only two churches that are praised.
00:54:04.159 -->
00:54:08.719Revelation 2, starting it now forward, Philadelphia.
00:54:08.800 -->
00:54:12.559The second church that's praised is Smyrna, Revelation 3, 7 to 9.
00:54:12.800 -->
00:54:20.400And when he writes to the angel of Smyrna, if we take it to be the bishop, he then tells them that some of them will be martyred and they'll be given a martyr's crown.
00:54:20.559 -->
00:54:23.519Is it a coincidence shortly after the book of Revelation?
00:54:24.079 -->
00:54:27.280Polycarp, the bishop of Smyrna, is martyred.
00:54:29.519 -->
00:54:33.599And Smyrna is only one of two churches that God praises for being faithful.
00:54:33.760 -->
00:54:41.840Yeah, could it be that when John wrote that, that bishop was Polycarp himself and God was praising him and talking to him from heaven?
00:54:42.639 -->
00:54:43.679Yeah, that's interesting.
00:54:43.840 -->
00:54:49.119And oh, I mean, Ticonius actually thinks because I was just reading this.
00:54:49.280 -->
00:54:57.760Ticonius thinks the letters that that John's uh that that John's writing to these churches are a symbol of how it's going to look in the end.
00:54:58.159 -->
00:55:00.800Now, Ticonius is a Donatist, he's a heretic, right?
00:55:00.880 -->
00:55:12.320And and he uh he he's he pulled out away from the other bishops because he thought he was in that time, because he's in the time of the collapse of the Roman Empire and he thinks he's in the apocalypse.
00:55:12.480 -->
00:55:23.599So it's it's a very delicate thing to talk about, especially when you're seeing Benedict talking about this stuff because jumping the gun and leaving the church because you want some pure church or something.
00:55:23.760 -->
00:55:24.880That's not the way to look at this.
00:55:25.039 -->
00:55:31.360Like Benedict was just hinting at us to get us to understand the mystery of iniquity is something that the church has always dealt with.
00:55:31.519 -->
00:55:40.559There's always this spirit of evil within the church that the wheat and the tares grow up together, the sheep and the goats, and we leave it to Christ to separate.
00:55:40.719 -->
00:55:45.760And it in the apocalypse it also says, Come out of her, my beloved, so you don't partake of her blasphemies.
00:55:45.840 -->
00:55:51.840But it's Christ who tells us that, it's not us who make that judgment and leave because we think we know best.
00:55:52.400 -->
00:55:53.519Glory to God, brother.
00:55:53.599 -->
00:55:55.199Send me those commentaries, please.
00:55:55.440 -->
00:56:05.119So I just wanted to explain how he slays him and how he doesn't slay him, because obviously in Revelation 19, he throws him alive into the into the lake of fire.
00:56:05.199 -->
00:56:08.960So the slaying means condemning them to hell, right?
00:56:09.440 -->
00:56:09.679Right.
00:56:10.079 -->
00:56:32.320So just to be clear, because that's if you just take 2 Thessalonians to 8 face value, it seems like he dies physically when Christ comes, but the slaying is that the Lord by the breath of his means his command, he will then command that the man of sin, false prophet, be condemned in hell the second death, and be sent there alive.
00:56:33.039 -->
00:56:33.360Right?
00:56:33.519 -->
00:56:34.480So just that's it.
00:56:34.559 -->
00:56:35.920I know you guys have now need to go.
00:56:36.079 -->
00:56:37.599Are you going to the other channel?
00:56:37.840 -->
00:56:38.960I think we're gonna kill it.
00:56:39.039 -->
00:56:40.239I think we're both exhausted.
00:56:40.400 -->
00:56:42.079We weren't even gonna do a show tonight.
00:56:42.159 -->
00:56:43.679I think we're I think we're gonna wrap it.
00:56:43.840 -->
00:56:45.519No, uh, no locals tonight.
00:56:45.599 -->
00:56:48.400You guys that are already on locals, we'll make it up to you, I promise.
00:56:48.639 -->
00:56:51.679But uh, Sam, I'll send I'll I'll me and you'll figure another one out.
00:56:51.760 -->
00:56:55.360We'll get you back on, man, because I I I love doing deep dives into this into scripture with you.
00:56:56.159 -->
00:56:59.840I don't care what your partner says about you if you're he's the worst, he's always touching me.
00:57:00.320 -->
00:57:01.039He's the worst.
00:57:01.199 -->
00:57:02.320All I do is talk him up.
00:57:02.400 -->
00:57:03.280He's always got something to say.
00:57:03.360 -->
00:57:04.400No, Sam, thank you, man.
00:57:04.480 -->
00:57:05.119We appreciate you, brother.
00:57:05.840 -->
00:57:06.239Thanks, Sam.
00:57:07.039 -->
00:57:07.760All right, Rob.
00:57:07.920 -->
00:57:12.719Um, we will uh figure something out for Tuesday, and we'll be back on Tuesday, guys.
00:57:12.800 -->
00:57:14.800It was uh it was a great show.
00:57:14.880 -->
00:57:17.119And uh, we got anything before we close out.
00:57:17.920 -->
00:57:22.079I got uh I got an email from our wine friends.
00:57:22.320 -->
00:57:23.199Well that's right.
00:57:23.440 -->
00:57:25.360They want to be sponsors again.
00:57:25.679 -->
00:57:28.960Yeah, I want to push them for Mother's Day and Father's Day.
00:57:29.360 -->
00:57:31.360Might be a little late for Mother's Day.
00:57:31.599 -->
00:57:33.280We got a couple weeks, I guess.
00:57:33.519 -->
00:57:39.599Ask them if our promo code's up because uh we'll figure something out.
00:57:39.679 -->
00:57:42.239Yeah, because I it's a great Mother's Day gift.
00:57:42.320 -->
00:57:44.239I I would I would love to get them back on board.
00:57:44.400 -->
00:57:47.920And I would love to get I'm gonna get I would like to get some for my mother-in-law.
00:57:48.000 -->
00:57:52.000I'm gonna I'm gonna get a bottle or two for my mother-in-law for Mother's Day.
00:57:53.039 -->
00:57:54.719So, um, all right, guys.
00:57:54.800 -->
00:57:55.599We will see you Tuesday.
00:57:55.679 -->
00:57:56.719We'll give you guys more on Tuesday.
00:57:56.800 -->
00:57:58.880I'm sorry, we you know we kept it at an hour tonight.
00:57:58.960 -->
00:58:01.039Sorry for the locals fans, uh local subscribers.
00:58:01.119 -->
00:58:02.079We'll make it up to you, I promise.
00:58:02.320 -->
00:58:03.119We'll figure something out.
00:58:03.280 -->
00:58:04.239Yeah, we'll figure something out.
00:58:04.320 -->
00:58:04.960Thank you, Rob.
00:58:05.039 -->
00:58:07.440Thanks for uh thanks for all of you for joining us.
00:58:07.599 -->
00:58:08.400Take us out.
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00:58:10.159Uh you know what?
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00:58:11.440We'll play this one again.
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00:58:32.800And he wants to be the number one enemy of set of accommodism, and I can't think of of who else would be number one, and he might very well have achieved it.
