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Astrology isn't just about signs and symbols.
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It's a tool for navigating real life.
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Hello, and welcome to Astrology with Alisa.
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I'm your host, Alisa Dixon, and I'm so glad you're here.
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Let's dive in.
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Today I'm sharing another conversation from Norwac.
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And this one is with someone I've looked up to for years, Judith Hill.
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Judith is an internationally recognized astrologer, an award-winning author, and one of the leading voices in medical astrology.
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She's also the founder of the Academy for Astrological Medicine.
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And one quick note Judith's Academy for Astrological Medicine is hosting its annual herbalism and medical astrology summit this Friday and Saturday, October 16th and 17th.
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And Judith has generously offered my listeners 20% off a weekend pass.
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So I'll leave the link and discount code in the show notes.
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And I also have a video version of this conversation over on my YouTube channel.
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So if you'd rather watch than listen, I'll leave that link for you as well.
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All right.
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I hope you enjoy my conversation with Judith.
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Alright, well, hello.
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My name is Elisa Dixon, and I am at Norwac sitting with the legendary Judith Hill.
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Hi, Judith.
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It's so nice to have you here with me today.
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Hi, Elisa.
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This is very lovely to do this for you at Norwak.
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Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
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Alright, so I am very passionate about talking about how astrology shows up in real life.
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That's what I do all the time on my podcast.
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I tell stories about how it's showing up in day-to-day life.
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Um, so that is what I thought I would flavor our questions with.
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So, how do you personally use astrology in your everyday life?
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That's just an excellent question.
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And uh I use it in many, many ways, such as if I want to get a haircut or a dental appointment or make a major purchase or have a party.
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Uh these are all excellent uses, and it's also great for picking a time to send in your taxes.
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Yes, when so when would you choose to send in your taxes?
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I usually do this for other clients, but it depends on what their need is.
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If they don't want to get noticed, you just use Neptune.
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Oh okay.
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I've been told to always try to do it on a void of course moon with positive closing aspects.
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I I agree.
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But also involve Neptune.
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Yes.
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Okay, does Neptune need to be doing anything in particular?
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Well, getting Neptune right on an angle does take some skill.
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Exactly rising or exactly setting, setting or on mid-heaven perfect, uh because the setting is where it's going, who's opening and the tenth house is judgment.
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So if you get Neptune like setting exactly, and the moon making a lovely aspect to Neptune or conjunct Neptune, very, very nice.
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But now we have a problem because now Neptune is conjunct Saturn, so you don't want to use it anymore.
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We have to wait till Saturn gets out of Aries to now to now use the Neptune formula.
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So for the next two years, do not use Neptune to file taxes.
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Now now my CPA doesn't let me time things anymore.
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He just sends them whatever he wants, but I used to have clients that they say, can you just give me a time so I won't be audited?
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You know, okay, try this.
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And we had fantastic results.
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Oh my gosh, I love it.
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Okay, so what about when to have a party then?
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What you mentioned.
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Well, party's a good one.
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Uh pick a fire sign moon or a uh it depends on air sign moons are good too.
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Okay.
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Fire sign moons if you want dancing and laughing and people drink heavier though, especially Moon Mars, and um moon on Mars and a fire sign.
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But uh white, of course, moons are nice because nobody has anywhere to go and they're hanging loose.
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And Libra moons can be very nice because people want to socialize.
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Uh Gemini moons, people are very chatty, want to socialize.
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Uh Aquarian moons are not quite as good because they're they're good, they're good for like company uh you know stuff.
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The business.
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They're a little Saturnian.
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People often want to be home or just diffusing or up by the beach.
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Uh Aquarius moon, curiously.
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But so, but um Aries, Sag, and particularly Leo.
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Love to party, but again, don't use Aries right now.
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Because Saturn's there, which is a is a wet blanket.
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It's a Downer.
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It's Debbie Downer.
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Okay.
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And then what was the other thing you said?
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I think a hair appointment.
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Is that what you're talking about?
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Oh, it's for hair, yeah.
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Well, this depends a lot on your natal chart.
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So, oh, two things.
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Um, now I use your natal chart too, but you know, when you're doing parties, you're dealing with groups.
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Yes.
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Transits are more important.
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So in personal matters, personal chart becomes more important.
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The transit chart secondly.
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Oh.
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So like if if you were uh making uh planning and uh to go to the airport, the group zeitgeist is much more important.
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But if you were traveling alone in a helicopter, your own chart becomes more you use both, always.
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Always sometimes one gets the weight.
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So for a personal haircut, you want your Venus to be getting really nice aspect from the moon, or the moon conjuncted, as long as you don't have nasal Venus on the South Node or something.
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And you Mars is this the knife, scissors.
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Yeah.
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So you want the scissors to be lined up nice to Venus, Mars.
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Okay.
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Transit Mars, nice aspect to Venus, not a bad one.
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And if you're having a major long-term transit, like Saturn or South Node over Venus, you may have a long-term bad hair day.
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Oh.
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Might go on months, but you still can get a better time.
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And certain signs are a lot better for haircuts than others.
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Okay, I love it.
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What are the best signs for haircuts?
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Well, it depends on what you want.
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Okay.
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You want your hair to really spring up.
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Like some people want their hair standing straight up.
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Uh-huh.
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Um, Aries Moon is probably the best.
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Okay.
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Leo Moon does well.
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Aries uh Leo is very nice for nice coloring.
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Okay.
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Makes sense.
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And uh if you want your hair uh really beautiful and soft, Libra or Taurus Moon are wonderful.
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For color staying, colors, uh, Taurus is excellent, fixed sign.
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Do not have haircuts on Gemini, especially Aquarius moons.
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Okay.
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These are very electrical forces are stronger.
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Oh.
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And here will get frizzy or not do what you want.
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You'll have really strange results cutting your hair on uh particularly Aquarius, but also uh Gemini, or if the moon is conjunct or squaring Uranus.
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Okay.
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Too much electrical.
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And so the hair is like an antenna.
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Yeah.
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Very s I've been watching it for years.
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It's very sensitive to the moon's motions.
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Wow.
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That's interesting.
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I've never thought to pay attention to that.
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I am absolutely going to now.
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Well, yeah, a lot of people use moon phase.
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Uh like uh some people think if the moon is waxing, you'll get better growth and thicker hair.
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Okay.
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Unwanted hair, uh, the moon waning.
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But I found the moon sign will dominate moon phase?
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Yes.
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Wow.
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Interesting.
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Well, that's cool.
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Great little tidbits.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Well, I used to be, I'm not just a medical astrologer, I used to spend many years doing electional and vocational.
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I'm a very practical astrologer.
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Yes, you are.
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And that's exactly what I try to be as well.
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I love.
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Oh, that's so cool.
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Okay, so second question.
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Which planet has caused the most chaos in your life?
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Oh, that's an interesting one.
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That's an interesting one.
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I would probably say that's a hard one.
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I would probably say Mars.
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Okay.
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Yeah, but I'm wondering if I'm right.
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I mean, Saturn has had his day.
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Yes.
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Saturn has been a good one.
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Um, Mars has been a good one.
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Um I'd say there there isn't one for me.
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It's it's varies quite a bit.
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Okay.
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So, like what kinds of problems has Mars created?
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More of the data.
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People blowing up, uh storming around, uh things like that neighbor noise, dogs barking, uh, you know, just oh construction, people cutting down trees in the neighborhood, things that shock me that I don't like.
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Got it.
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Yeah.
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And then Saturn, what kind of problems is Saturn just?
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Well, this gets personal, okay.
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People's deaths, and abandonment's long-term suffering.
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You know.
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Fair.
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Yeah.
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Yep, that makes sense.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So, what's your favorite astrology topic to talk about lately?
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Oh, I love Neptune, and and that's the one I just didn't talk on.
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I knew you were gonna say that because when I saw you earlier, you were so excited about this lecture.
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I just love Neptune.
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That's my favorite planet.
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Is it?
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What is it about Neptune that you love so much?
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Well, it's very beautiful.
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It's a beautiful looking planet.
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But for me, it's been a real friend.
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You know, Neptune for some people is very lucky.
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Really?
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Yeah, it's a very it's a for some people it brings all kinds of doors opening and interesting, wonderful things and wonderful times by the beach.
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Little little paradises away from the earth for a while.
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Yeah.
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And uh lucky breaks, and for some people it works very differently, but it works well for me.
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And it also I love music so much, so it it it's my musical plan.
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I I blame my musical gifts on Neptune in my chart.
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And it I love poetry, I love the sublime, I love fairies, I love everything Neptunian.
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I love the ocean.
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I love the ocean too.
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I love all the paintings of Neptune with his trident and mermaids and mermen.
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It's just enchants.
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That's beautiful.
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I I love Neptune as well, but I struggle to understand it, not surprisingly, right?
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Because it's it's not a planet of understanding, it's feeling.
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Yeah.
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So I that's that's very interesting and intriguing that you love it so much the way you describe it.
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I do, I do.
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And uh really really much.
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My Neptune is in my 12th house in Sagittarius.
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So that's that's lovely.
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Yeah.
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Might give you some prophetic abilities.
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Cool.
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Neptune opens the psychic door, so does the 12th house, and Sagittarius is a sign given to being able to see into the future.
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I love that.
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So your your intuitions.
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I do have strong intuition that I do uh I've been working hard to try to trust more and open up a little bit more.
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Yeah, your intuitions would be very good.
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I love that.
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And my Mercury's in Pisces.
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Oh, well they're even better.
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So they're it's uh doubling that trait.
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Yeah.
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Are you a good animal communicator?
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Yeah.
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You know, I don't know.
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I I you know it's interesting.
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I grew up in Connecticut in the middle of the woods.
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I lived on a property that had 28 acres, and it was also right up against a hundred acres of of hiking trails.
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And so I truly lived in the middle of the woods, and I remember as a child, I I spent a lot of time out in nature, and I would try to sneak up and and see how close I could get to the deer.
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You know, so I I don't know, maybe I was communing with animals.
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I asked you that because I knew three professional people who professed to be animal communicators, and all of them had work green in Pisces.
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Really?
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A sign that breaks boundaries.
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So I thought that was fascinating.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Maybe I'll try.
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, those were my three questions, Judith.
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Is there anything else that you would like to share?
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I'm just having such a wonderful time here at Norwac, and I just put out a brand new book on not medical.
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I have like six books on medical, on sinistry.
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Oh yes, I'm very excited about it, and I illustrated it all with my own whimsical drawings, but it's a very deep, deep book.
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There's nothing fluffy.
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It's just for astrologers, and that's why it's called the Astrologers Love Book.
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A complete method of compatibility assessment.
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Oh, I love that.
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I will is it out yet?
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It's out.
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We just had our debut signing just before this interview.
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Oh, how great.
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Oh, so I can go pick it up if there's any copies left.
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There's one copy left, two copies in my room.
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There might be one copy left at the store.
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Okay, I'll go check it out.
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Yeah, if you want me to reserve I have one two copies left in my room, I can reserve one for you if you want it.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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Well, and I actually I now it makes so much sense all of you, all of the things you said about Neptune and how much you love it, the fact that you do all of your own illustrations in all of your books.
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I do, and I I actually studied fairy tale illustration when I was young.
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And I wanted to be a fairy tale illustrator, but there's no not much career, not much career in that.
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So I I kept a skill, and there's some there's many illustrations in there that have that quality.
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I you know what, I will look at them differently now with the I I actually I do.
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I some of them look almost like um like the sorcerer's apprentice, right?
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I mean I've seen yeah.
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There's there's one illustration in the chapter called the internal partner.
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Because everybody has an internal partner that is embedded in the chart.
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Okay.
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And this can be the prophesied partner, you know, you're going to meet somebody and they're they're shown in the chart, or it can be just who you're naturally attracted to.
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Yeah.
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So in that chapter, there's a very illustration right out of the pink fairy book.
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Oh, I love it.
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Oh, that's special.
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So cool.
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So I really enjoyed that.
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So that that was my uh fun project.
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I did it, I did it for me, but my director of my school really wanted me to do it.
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I was never going to.
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And she says, You gotta do this, because I kept telling her about her dates and it kept coming true.
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Ah.
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She says, This is a really good system.
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It's a unique system I put it together.
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Oh, how cool.
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I've been an astrologer for many, many decades.
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Yes.
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And I used to spend uh many, many years seeing every possible kind of client in inner city offices.
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You know, everybody from the red light district to the halls of industry would come for readings, and they all wanted to know about their partners, their love lives.
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And so I would always I learned to do that.
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And then for an experiment, I worked for a year for a high-end dating service once.
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Oh my gosh.
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And out of me, I'd get sets of ladies.
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So I was, you know, able to experiment.
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I learned a a lot, and then I did used to pick lawyers for people, used to pick surgeons, used to pick um dogs and horses.
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Oh my god.
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Then I helped people with adoptions when they had a choice of adopting children by birthday.
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I I even did realtors.
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And so I learned oh, and employees.
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I did employees a lot, and business partners, and so I learned about every aspect of compatibility assessment and what is strongest.
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So I have a system of um I have the uh the six main essentials that are really important, and then I had four more high-ranking essentials, and then I have the essential disharmonies.
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Oh the deal breakers.
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Yes.
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And and how you can look around them, you know, you know, things, the things that usually really bother relationships.
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Of all kinds.
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So I'm not trying to become come into the you know, love and sacks market.
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No, I just wrote a book to really help the astrologers in their work.
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Yeah, that's so helpful because there are so many nuances with that line of officer.
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Yes, and I wanted to make it as beautiful as possible.
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So we worked really hard on the mauve and green cover with the beautiful old painting by um Auguste Pierre Cote from another century.
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It's just a beautiful cover, so we're we're happy.
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I will definitely have to go see if I can get that copy.
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Well, thank you so much, Judith.
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I really appreciate you sitting down with me.
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I know that you've got so much going on while you're here.
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Oh, yeah.
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This is my people are here, my people I want to meet are here.
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It's been wonderful.
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Who do you want to meet?
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Well, I would really like to meet someone who just parted.
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I would love to meet Jane Goodall.
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And I would love to meet Joan Bayaz, who's an old heroine of mine, and I doubt I ever will be able to do that.
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It would be lovely to have tea with her when thank her for her work.
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But they're not astrologers.
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No.
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But the astrologers, oh, Ivy Goldstein Jacobson.
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Again, she's gone.
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I'd probably like to meet Alan Ellen us.
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He's around.
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I don't he's he's Yes, I met him.
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I've never been able to meet him, but he's here somewhere.
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He is here.
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He's got a table right outside the um right outside the room where you were lecturing, I believe.
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The table?
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Yeah, he's got a table.
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He's selling books.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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Yeah.
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I'll have to go say Yeah, the night light astrology table.
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He's there.
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I in fact I interviewed him earlier today just impromptu, like this.
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Oh, we'll have to go say hello.
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Yeah, I had no idea.
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He's leading, um, he's leading something tonight at 9 p.m.
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Well, I would like to meet him.
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Yeah.
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And I'm sure there's several other astrologers I would like to meet.
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You know, we get so busy we can barely look at the schedule.
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I know.
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And I haven't seen a talk yet.
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Running crazy.
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Well, maybe you can tomorrow.
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Maybe tomorrow, but I'll probably have to rest tomorrow.
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Yeah.
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For the big workshop.
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So I would like to see at least one.
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Yeah.
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And uh I usually get can guess get in one or two.
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Yeah.
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But usually some young people come up and want to talk and welcome me, and that's what I love to do.
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Oh, good.
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Well, like this.
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So I I love to I love to help the young astrologers, you know, because they get a big chance here, and I I love to you know help them, encourage them.
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Yes.
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It's a wonderful career.
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What's the best piece of advice you could give me?
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Are you a practicing astrologer?
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Okay.
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I would say learn your energy boundaries, learn to refuel your battery, learn not to take too many and know how to rest between them and how to protect yourself psychically.
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And I have actually have a whole course on this.
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But but uh these are very essential astrologers who do not learn these things usually come back to me in a year and say, I'm all burned out.
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Depleted.
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How do you do this?
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I'm all burned out.
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And I was like, Well, you uh ask them what they're doing, and they're usually running back-to-back readings for one.
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Do not do back-to-back readings.
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You need complete refueling your battery between do not do many things.
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You know the you need the don'ts and you need the does, you need good office feng shui.
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You need to know how to psychically protect yourself and who not to take, and who to take, and uh specialize.
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I I end up specializing in medical and vocational and election.
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If you specialize, get really so know everything about everything.
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Yeah, really learn astrology, really, really learn it.
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And then when you really learn it, and you've had a f maybe two years really just doing charts, all kinds of charts, then figure out what you're best at.
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There's room in every of these specialties, like go vocational, or you go location, or you go medical, or you go whatever, natal, transit, evolutionary, whatever you want to do.
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And get then you advertise yourself as a specialist, and uh you will really start getting a big client.
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Everybody's looking for people who can do surgery dates.
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I only know two people I would recommend.
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And I train them, I've edited them, I tested them.
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And uh it's a very, very that's uh that's the takes the most skill of anything in astrology is surgery dating.
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You have to know what you're doing, and you have to know how to proceed legally.
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The other piece of advice is know how to proceed legally.
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When to have a disclaimer, when to have a waiver.
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You don't need it for a natal reading, but some kinds of readings you do.
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And but there's there's side businesses you can run, you know.
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Astrocartography, you can make a full living just at that.
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Yes.
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But people are always looking for someone who's really good.
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So my advice is to be really good and don't think you're really good in one year.
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Right.
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Become really skilled craftsmen, just like if you had to learn to make shoes.
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You want to be really good.
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You want to repair bicycles, you want to be really good, be really good, and then go forth and do good works.
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Don't do this for money and fame.
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Right.
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Let money and fame come to you.
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Yes.
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You know, I worked in this for four or five decades before I even got noticed.
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I just worked quietly, wrote books quietly.
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One day I got invited to Norwak.
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And many things started happening.
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And you do it for the good of mankind and 'cause you love it.
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Yes.
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And yes, it's a a nice way to make a living if you know how to watch your energetic.
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Boundaries and you don't burn out in one year, which most people do.
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Which must you're Yeah, and not everybody is suited to being an astrologer.
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So if you find that you're actually better at uh being an accountant or something, you try it, you don't like it.
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Then just like they used to say on you know American Idol, you know, he was very honest with people, you know, you sound like a squalling cat.
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This isn't the field for you.
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You also you need a certain amount of wisdom.
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So you will, if you can start in your twenties, I started at 14.
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Um Yeah, didn't you wasn't your father taught you?
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He started teaching me when I was started showing me charts when I was three, but formerly teaching me at 10.
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Wow.
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And I was giving my first paid readings at 14.
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So I had a four-year apprenticeship.
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And I was unusual kid though.
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I was the I would take a bus downtown, all the way downtown alone in the inner city, and go to Fritzy Armstrong.
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Fritzy Armstrong's um metaphysical town hall bookshop.
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I just love that name.
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And I would be in there all day looking at everything in there, and no other children in there.
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I'm 10.
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Just take a bus home, laddie di, laddie da, go home to dinner.
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So I was a very unusual kid.
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Yeah.
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But uh you'll find if you start in your twenties and you keep at it, you know, by the time you're 30 and 40, you will become very good.
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And by the time you're 50, you're probably a master.
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And this takes something, but you're not gonna be a master in one year.
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You can read a decent chart one or two years, but it but you're gonna get a lot better.
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But keep if you have a deep concern, now this is very important, I'll end with this.
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If you have a very deep concern for the improvement and the evolution of your client, bringing out knowledge they need, say for their career, for their self.
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Just that concern ignites the best in them.
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And even if you gave a bad reading, the concern for their soul is what they remember, and it will help them.
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I learned this.
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It took me years to figure out that some of the good that was happening with the clients was that I had this feeling for them.
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And just last week I read another astrologer.
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He says this, Elman Bacher.
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I find this tiny little pamphlet and I open it up, and he said, the concern for the the client's higher evolution and the bringing out of their best in their career will ignite that in them.
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Wow.
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And they'll walk away with that, and over time it can become true.
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What is the gift you give them, even if you had no talent as an astrologer?
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So I I will leave with that.
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So I always say to people, go forth and do good works, but I mean it.
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I mean it.
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You don't do this for money or fame, you do it because you you have a natural affinity and a love of it, and you have this desire to help that client.
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And this is a special and usual field.
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It is a special and unusual field, that's for sure.
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A bit of a spiritual field.
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Very much so.
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Yeah.
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Well, thank you so much.
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Pearls of wisdom.
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Well, you're welcome, Alisa.
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It's it's been a pleasure.
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Thank you so much, Judith.
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Take care.
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Thank you.
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Astrology isn't just about signs and symbols.
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It's a tool for navigating real life.
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Hello, and welcome to Astrology with Alisa.
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I'm your host, Alisa Dixon, and I'm so glad you're here.
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Let's dive in.
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Today I'm sharing another conversation from Norwac.
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And this one is with someone I've looked up to for years, Judith Hill.
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Judith is an internationally recognized astrologer, an award-winning author, and one of the leading voices in medical astrology.
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She's also the founder of the Academy for Astrological Medicine.
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And one quick note Judith's Academy for Astrological Medicine is hosting its annual herbalism and medical astrology summit this Friday and Saturday, October 16th and 17th.
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And Judith has generously offered my listeners 20% off a weekend pass.
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So I'll leave the link and discount code in the show notes.
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And I also have a video version of this conversation over on my YouTube channel.
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So if you'd rather watch than listen, I'll leave that link for you as well.
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All right.
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I hope you enjoy my conversation with Judith.
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Alright, well, hello.
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My name is Elisa Dixon, and I am at Norwac sitting with the legendary Judith Hill.
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Hi, Judith.
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It's so nice to have you here with me today.
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Hi, Elisa.
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This is very lovely to do this for you at Norwak.
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Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
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Alright, so I am very passionate about talking about how astrology shows up in real life.
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That's what I do all the time on my podcast.
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I tell stories about how it's showing up in day-to-day life.
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Um, so that is what I thought I would flavor our questions with.
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So, how do you personally use astrology in your everyday life?
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That's just an excellent question.
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And uh I use it in many, many ways, such as if I want to get a haircut or a dental appointment or make a major purchase or have a party.
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Uh these are all excellent uses, and it's also great for picking a time to send in your taxes.
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Yes, when so when would you choose to send in your taxes?
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I usually do this for other clients, but it depends on what their need is.
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If they don't want to get noticed, you just use Neptune.
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Oh okay.
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I've been told to always try to do it on a void of course moon with positive closing aspects.
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I I agree.
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But also involve Neptune.
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Yes.
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Okay, does Neptune need to be doing anything in particular?
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Well, getting Neptune right on an angle does take some skill.
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Exactly rising or exactly setting, setting or on mid-heaven perfect, uh because the setting is where it's going, who's opening and the tenth house is judgment.
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So if you get Neptune like setting exactly, and the moon making a lovely aspect to Neptune or conjunct Neptune, very, very nice.
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But now we have a problem because now Neptune is conjunct Saturn, so you don't want to use it anymore.
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We have to wait till Saturn gets out of Aries to now to now use the Neptune formula.
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So for the next two years, do not use Neptune to file taxes.
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Now now my CPA doesn't let me time things anymore.
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He just sends them whatever he wants, but I used to have clients that they say, can you just give me a time so I won't be audited?
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You know, okay, try this.
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And we had fantastic results.
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Oh my gosh, I love it.
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Okay, so what about when to have a party then?
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What you mentioned.
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Well, party's a good one.
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Uh pick a fire sign moon or a uh it depends on air sign moons are good too.
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Okay.
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Fire sign moons if you want dancing and laughing and people drink heavier though, especially Moon Mars, and um moon on Mars and a fire sign.
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But uh white, of course, moons are nice because nobody has anywhere to go and they're hanging loose.
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And Libra moons can be very nice because people want to socialize.
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Uh Gemini moons, people are very chatty, want to socialize.
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Uh Aquarian moons are not quite as good because they're they're good, they're good for like company uh you know stuff.
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The business.
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They're a little Saturnian.
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People often want to be home or just diffusing or up by the beach.
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Uh Aquarius moon, curiously.
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But so, but um Aries, Sag, and particularly Leo.
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Love to party, but again, don't use Aries right now.
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Because Saturn's there, which is a is a wet blanket.
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It's a Downer.
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It's Debbie Downer.
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Okay.
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And then what was the other thing you said?
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I think a hair appointment.
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Is that what you're talking about?
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Oh, it's for hair, yeah.
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Well, this depends a lot on your natal chart.
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So, oh, two things.
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Um, now I use your natal chart too, but you know, when you're doing parties, you're dealing with groups.
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Yes.
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Transits are more important.
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So in personal matters, personal chart becomes more important.
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The transit chart secondly.
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Oh.
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So like if if you were uh making uh planning and uh to go to the airport, the group zeitgeist is much more important.
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But if you were traveling alone in a helicopter, your own chart becomes more you use both, always.
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Always sometimes one gets the weight.
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So for a personal haircut, you want your Venus to be getting really nice aspect from the moon, or the moon conjuncted, as long as you don't have nasal Venus on the South Node or something.
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And you Mars is this the knife, scissors.
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Yeah.
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So you want the scissors to be lined up nice to Venus, Mars.
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Okay.
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Transit Mars, nice aspect to Venus, not a bad one.
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And if you're having a major long-term transit, like Saturn or South Node over Venus, you may have a long-term bad hair day.
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Oh.
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Might go on months, but you still can get a better time.
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And certain signs are a lot better for haircuts than others.
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Okay, I love it.
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What are the best signs for haircuts?
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Well, it depends on what you want.
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Okay.
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You want your hair to really spring up.
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Like some people want their hair standing straight up.
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Uh-huh.
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Um, Aries Moon is probably the best.
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Okay.
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Leo Moon does well.
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Aries uh Leo is very nice for nice coloring.
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Okay.
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Makes sense.
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And uh if you want your hair uh really beautiful and soft, Libra or Taurus Moon are wonderful.
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For color staying, colors, uh, Taurus is excellent, fixed sign.
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Do not have haircuts on Gemini, especially Aquarius moons.
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Okay.
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These are very electrical forces are stronger.
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Oh.
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And here will get frizzy or not do what you want.
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You'll have really strange results cutting your hair on uh particularly Aquarius, but also uh Gemini, or if the moon is conjunct or squaring Uranus.
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Okay.
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Too much electrical.
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And so the hair is like an antenna.
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Yeah.
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Very s I've been watching it for years.
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It's very sensitive to the moon's motions.
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Wow.
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That's interesting.
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I've never thought to pay attention to that.
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I am absolutely going to now.
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Well, yeah, a lot of people use moon phase.
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Uh like uh some people think if the moon is waxing, you'll get better growth and thicker hair.
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Okay.
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Unwanted hair, uh, the moon waning.
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But I found the moon sign will dominate moon phase?
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Yes.
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Wow.
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Interesting.
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Well, that's cool.
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Great little tidbits.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Well, I used to be, I'm not just a medical astrologer, I used to spend many years doing electional and vocational.
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I'm a very practical astrologer.
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Yes, you are.
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And that's exactly what I try to be as well.
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I love.
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Oh, that's so cool.
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Okay, so second question.
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Which planet has caused the most chaos in your life?
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Oh, that's an interesting one.
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That's an interesting one.
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I would probably say that's a hard one.
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I would probably say Mars.
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Okay.
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Yeah, but I'm wondering if I'm right.
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I mean, Saturn has had his day.
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Yes.
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Saturn has been a good one.
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Um, Mars has been a good one.
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Um I'd say there there isn't one for me.
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It's it's varies quite a bit.
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Okay.
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So, like what kinds of problems has Mars created?
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More of the data.
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People blowing up, uh storming around, uh things like that neighbor noise, dogs barking, uh, you know, just oh construction, people cutting down trees in the neighborhood, things that shock me that I don't like.
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Got it.
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Yeah.
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And then Saturn, what kind of problems is Saturn just?
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Well, this gets personal, okay.
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People's deaths, and abandonment's long-term suffering.
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You know.
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Fair.
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Yeah.
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Yep, that makes sense.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So, what's your favorite astrology topic to talk about lately?
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Oh, I love Neptune, and and that's the one I just didn't talk on.
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I knew you were gonna say that because when I saw you earlier, you were so excited about this lecture.
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I just love Neptune.
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That's my favorite planet.
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Is it?
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What is it about Neptune that you love so much?
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Well, it's very beautiful.
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It's a beautiful looking planet.
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But for me, it's been a real friend.
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You know, Neptune for some people is very lucky.
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Really?
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Yeah, it's a very it's a for some people it brings all kinds of doors opening and interesting, wonderful things and wonderful times by the beach.
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Little little paradises away from the earth for a while.
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Yeah.
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And uh lucky breaks, and for some people it works very differently, but it works well for me.
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And it also I love music so much, so it it it's my musical plan.
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I I blame my musical gifts on Neptune in my chart.
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And it I love poetry, I love the sublime, I love fairies, I love everything Neptunian.
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I love the ocean.
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I love the ocean too.
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I love all the paintings of Neptune with his trident and mermaids and mermen.
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It's just enchants.
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That's beautiful.
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I I love Neptune as well, but I struggle to understand it, not surprisingly, right?
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Because it's it's not a planet of understanding, it's feeling.
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Yeah.
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So I that's that's very interesting and intriguing that you love it so much the way you describe it.
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I do, I do.
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And uh really really much.
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My Neptune is in my 12th house in Sagittarius.
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So that's that's lovely.
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Yeah.
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Might give you some prophetic abilities.
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Cool.
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Neptune opens the psychic door, so does the 12th house, and Sagittarius is a sign given to being able to see into the future.
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I love that.
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So your your intuitions.
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I do have strong intuition that I do uh I've been working hard to try to trust more and open up a little bit more.
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Yeah, your intuitions would be very good.
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I love that.
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And my Mercury's in Pisces.
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Oh, well they're even better.
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So they're it's uh doubling that trait.
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Yeah.
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Are you a good animal communicator?
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Yeah.
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You know, I don't know.
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I I you know it's interesting.
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I grew up in Connecticut in the middle of the woods.
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I lived on a property that had 28 acres, and it was also right up against a hundred acres of of hiking trails.
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And so I truly lived in the middle of the woods, and I remember as a child, I I spent a lot of time out in nature, and I would try to sneak up and and see how close I could get to the deer.
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You know, so I I don't know, maybe I was communing with animals.
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I asked you that because I knew three professional people who professed to be animal communicators, and all of them had work green in Pisces.
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Really?
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A sign that breaks boundaries.
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So I thought that was fascinating.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Maybe I'll try.
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, those were my three questions, Judith.
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Is there anything else that you would like to share?
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I'm just having such a wonderful time here at Norwac, and I just put out a brand new book on not medical.
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I have like six books on medical, on sinistry.
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Oh yes, I'm very excited about it, and I illustrated it all with my own whimsical drawings, but it's a very deep, deep book.
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There's nothing fluffy.
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It's just for astrologers, and that's why it's called the Astrologers Love Book.
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A complete method of compatibility assessment.
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Oh, I love that.
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I will is it out yet?
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It's out.
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We just had our debut signing just before this interview.
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Oh, how great.
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Oh, so I can go pick it up if there's any copies left.
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There's one copy left, two copies in my room.
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There might be one copy left at the store.
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Okay, I'll go check it out.
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Yeah, if you want me to reserve I have one two copies left in my room, I can reserve one for you if you want it.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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Well, and I actually I now it makes so much sense all of you, all of the things you said about Neptune and how much you love it, the fact that you do all of your own illustrations in all of your books.
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I do, and I I actually studied fairy tale illustration when I was young.
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And I wanted to be a fairy tale illustrator, but there's no not much career, not much career in that.
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So I I kept a skill, and there's some there's many illustrations in there that have that quality.
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I you know what, I will look at them differently now with the I I actually I do.
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I some of them look almost like um like the sorcerer's apprentice, right?
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I mean I've seen yeah.
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There's there's one illustration in the chapter called the internal partner.
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Because everybody has an internal partner that is embedded in the chart.
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Okay.
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And this can be the prophesied partner, you know, you're going to meet somebody and they're they're shown in the chart, or it can be just who you're naturally attracted to.
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Yeah.
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So in that chapter, there's a very illustration right out of the pink fairy book.
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Oh, I love it.
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Oh, that's special.
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So cool.
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So I really enjoyed that.
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So that that was my uh fun project.
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I did it, I did it for me, but my director of my school really wanted me to do it.
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I was never going to.
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And she says, You gotta do this, because I kept telling her about her dates and it kept coming true.
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Ah.
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She says, This is a really good system.
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It's a unique system I put it together.
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Oh, how cool.
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I've been an astrologer for many, many decades.
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Yes.
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And I used to spend uh many, many years seeing every possible kind of client in inner city offices.
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You know, everybody from the red light district to the halls of industry would come for readings, and they all wanted to know about their partners, their love lives.
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And so I would always I learned to do that.
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And then for an experiment, I worked for a year for a high-end dating service once.
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Oh my gosh.
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And out of me, I'd get sets of ladies.
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So I was, you know, able to experiment.
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I learned a a lot, and then I did used to pick lawyers for people, used to pick surgeons, used to pick um dogs and horses.
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Oh my god.
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Then I helped people with adoptions when they had a choice of adopting children by birthday.
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I I even did realtors.
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And so I learned oh, and employees.
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I did employees a lot, and business partners, and so I learned about every aspect of compatibility assessment and what is strongest.
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So I have a system of um I have the uh the six main essentials that are really important, and then I had four more high-ranking essentials, and then I have the essential disharmonies.
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Oh the deal breakers.
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Yes.
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And and how you can look around them, you know, you know, things, the things that usually really bother relationships.
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Of all kinds.
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So I'm not trying to become come into the you know, love and sacks market.
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No, I just wrote a book to really help the astrologers in their work.
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Yeah, that's so helpful because there are so many nuances with that line of officer.
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Yes, and I wanted to make it as beautiful as possible.
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So we worked really hard on the mauve and green cover with the beautiful old painting by um Auguste Pierre Cote from another century.
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It's just a beautiful cover, so we're we're happy.
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I will definitely have to go see if I can get that copy.
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Well, thank you so much, Judith.
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I really appreciate you sitting down with me.
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I know that you've got so much going on while you're here.
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Oh, yeah.
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This is my people are here, my people I want to meet are here.
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It's been wonderful.
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Who do you want to meet?
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Well, I would really like to meet someone who just parted.
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I would love to meet Jane Goodall.
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And I would love to meet Joan Bayaz, who's an old heroine of mine, and I doubt I ever will be able to do that.
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It would be lovely to have tea with her when thank her for her work.
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But they're not astrologers.
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No.
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But the astrologers, oh, Ivy Goldstein Jacobson.
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Again, she's gone.
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I'd probably like to meet Alan Ellen us.
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He's around.
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I don't he's he's Yes, I met him.
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I've never been able to meet him, but he's here somewhere.
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He is here.
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He's got a table right outside the um right outside the room where you were lecturing, I believe.
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The table?
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Yeah, he's got a table.
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He's selling books.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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Yeah.
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I'll have to go say Yeah, the night light astrology table.
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He's there.
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I in fact I interviewed him earlier today just impromptu, like this.
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Oh, we'll have to go say hello.
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Yeah, I had no idea.
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He's leading, um, he's leading something tonight at 9 p.m.
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Well, I would like to meet him.
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Yeah.
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And I'm sure there's several other astrologers I would like to meet.
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You know, we get so busy we can barely look at the schedule.
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I know.
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And I haven't seen a talk yet.
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Running crazy.
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Well, maybe you can tomorrow.
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Maybe tomorrow, but I'll probably have to rest tomorrow.
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Yeah.
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For the big workshop.
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So I would like to see at least one.
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Yeah.
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And uh I usually get can guess get in one or two.
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Yeah.
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But usually some young people come up and want to talk and welcome me, and that's what I love to do.
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Oh, good.
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Well, like this.
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So I I love to I love to help the young astrologers, you know, because they get a big chance here, and I I love to you know help them, encourage them.
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Yes.
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It's a wonderful career.
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What's the best piece of advice you could give me?
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Are you a practicing astrologer?
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Okay.
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I would say learn your energy boundaries, learn to refuel your battery, learn not to take too many and know how to rest between them and how to protect yourself psychically.
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And I have actually have a whole course on this.
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But but uh these are very essential astrologers who do not learn these things usually come back to me in a year and say, I'm all burned out.
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Depleted.
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How do you do this?
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I'm all burned out.
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And I was like, Well, you uh ask them what they're doing, and they're usually running back-to-back readings for one.
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Do not do back-to-back readings.
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You need complete refueling your battery between do not do many things.
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You know the you need the don'ts and you need the does, you need good office feng shui.
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You need to know how to psychically protect yourself and who not to take, and who to take, and uh specialize.
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I I end up specializing in medical and vocational and election.
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If you specialize, get really so know everything about everything.
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Yeah, really learn astrology, really, really learn it.
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And then when you really learn it, and you've had a f maybe two years really just doing charts, all kinds of charts, then figure out what you're best at.
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There's room in every of these specialties, like go vocational, or you go location, or you go medical, or you go whatever, natal, transit, evolutionary, whatever you want to do.
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And get then you advertise yourself as a specialist, and uh you will really start getting a big client.
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Everybody's looking for people who can do surgery dates.
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I only know two people I would recommend.
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And I train them, I've edited them, I tested them.
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And uh it's a very, very that's uh that's the takes the most skill of anything in astrology is surgery dating.
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You have to know what you're doing, and you have to know how to proceed legally.
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The other piece of advice is know how to proceed legally.
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When to have a disclaimer, when to have a waiver.
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You don't need it for a natal reading, but some kinds of readings you do.
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And but there's there's side businesses you can run, you know.
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Astrocartography, you can make a full living just at that.
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Yes.
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But people are always looking for someone who's really good.
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So my advice is to be really good and don't think you're really good in one year.
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Right.
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Become really skilled craftsmen, just like if you had to learn to make shoes.
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You want to be really good.
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You want to repair bicycles, you want to be really good, be really good, and then go forth and do good works.
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Don't do this for money and fame.
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Right.
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Let money and fame come to you.
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Yes.
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You know, I worked in this for four or five decades before I even got noticed.
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I just worked quietly, wrote books quietly.
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One day I got invited to Norwak.
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And many things started happening.
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And you do it for the good of mankind and 'cause you love it.
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Yes.
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And yes, it's a a nice way to make a living if you know how to watch your energetic.
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Boundaries and you don't burn out in one year, which most people do.
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Which must you're Yeah, and not everybody is suited to being an astrologer.
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So if you find that you're actually better at uh being an accountant or something, you try it, you don't like it.
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Then just like they used to say on you know American Idol, you know, he was very honest with people, you know, you sound like a squalling cat.
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This isn't the field for you.
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You also you need a certain amount of wisdom.
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So you will, if you can start in your twenties, I started at 14.
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Um Yeah, didn't you wasn't your father taught you?
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He started teaching me when I was started showing me charts when I was three, but formerly teaching me at 10.
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Wow.
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And I was giving my first paid readings at 14.
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So I had a four-year apprenticeship.
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And I was unusual kid though.
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I was the I would take a bus downtown, all the way downtown alone in the inner city, and go to Fritzy Armstrong.
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Fritzy Armstrong's um metaphysical town hall bookshop.
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I just love that name.
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And I would be in there all day looking at everything in there, and no other children in there.
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I'm 10.
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Just take a bus home, laddie di, laddie da, go home to dinner.
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So I was a very unusual kid.
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Yeah.
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But uh you'll find if you start in your twenties and you keep at it, you know, by the time you're 30 and 40, you will become very good.
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And by the time you're 50, you're probably a master.
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And this takes something, but you're not gonna be a master in one year.
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You can read a decent chart one or two years, but it but you're gonna get a lot better.
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But keep if you have a deep concern, now this is very important, I'll end with this.
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If you have a very deep concern for the improvement and the evolution of your client, bringing out knowledge they need, say for their career, for their self.
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Just that concern ignites the best in them.
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And even if you gave a bad reading, the concern for their soul is what they remember, and it will help them.
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I learned this.
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It took me years to figure out that some of the good that was happening with the clients was that I had this feeling for them.
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And just last week I read another astrologer.
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He says this, Elman Bacher.
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I find this tiny little pamphlet and I open it up, and he said, the concern for the the client's higher evolution and the bringing out of their best in their career will ignite that in them.
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Wow.
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And they'll walk away with that, and over time it can become true.
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What is the gift you give them, even if you had no talent as an astrologer?
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So I I will leave with that.
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So I always say to people, go forth and do good works, but I mean it.
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I mean it.
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You don't do this for money or fame, you do it because you you have a natural affinity and a love of it, and you have this desire to help that client.
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And this is a special and usual field.
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It is a special and unusual field, that's for sure.
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A bit of a spiritual field.
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Very much so.
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Yeah.
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Well, thank you so much.
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Pearls of wisdom.
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Well, you're welcome, Alisa.
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It's it's been a pleasure.
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Thank you so much, Judith.
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Take care.
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Thank you.
