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Michael Lenny, I want you to imagine something.
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Imagine knowing what you know about Derek at this stage of my life, after I've learned some self-restraint, after I've learned not to blurt out all the time exactly what I was thinking, whether it mattered or not.
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Can you imagine beginner cornet Derek in one of your classrooms and how and listen, I'm gonna say I was never intentionally disruptive.
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No, no, of course not.
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But I'm sure you can hear God rest him, Tom Dylan saying, kill him, my God, shut up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I can I could give you about 10 names of uh Derek reincarnated souls that that have been in my beginner trumpet classes.
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But yeah, you're right.
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Let me ask you, man.
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You know, and and you've talked about in previous episodes, you know, one class you only had 17, and one class you had 50 something.
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In my Midland ISD, Midland, Texas, uh, for those of us uh listening elsewhere, we probably had 30 plus cornets.
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And I think we had we may have had French horns in there with us, but I think he picked French horns that semester.
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In any case, a large, it was homogenous, but there's lots of us to have me sitting there going, but you know, I'm thinking about that, uh, Mr.
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Band Director, and what if we and just kind of try derailing what's going on?
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Yeah, it's it's definitely a situation because when we come out of our podcast today is kind of classroom management, but coaching student teachers, because a lot of directors out there get their first student teacher, second student teacher, and they come out of a situation in which it's very lecture oriented because the collegiate level, they're teaching us how to teach.
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Right.
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So just like Mike Lunny right now, they they talk a lot.
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They talk a lot.
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And uh I found over the years that uh repetition is your friend, and it repetition helps with classroom management, but just don't talk as much.
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Just don't talk as much, if that's just kind of a general rule, because then the the dericks of your beginning class, they'll still be the dericks of your beginning class, but if you have them playing their horn, it kind of keeps them busy.
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Right.
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And are they playing all the right notes?
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I I practice my trumpet five times a week and I don't play all the right notes, and I've been doing it for 50 years, half a century.
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So don't expect them to be playing all the right notes.
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That's stupid on you part.
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Yeah, Mike, there's the truth though that all the education of the world is great, but real world, the first time you have to apply it in the real world, there's the there's that doubt in you that is this really gonna happen?
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Is this did I know they said this would work, but uh it doesn't I don't have all the confidence, right?
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Especially as a student teacher.
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Yeah, especially for a student teacher because the class uh I think one of the funniest examples, I had a wonderful student teacher and did a great job, but they it's uh John Sweet's wife, he's at Washington State University, Lori Sweet.
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She student taught with me, and uh and she said, you know, the band behaves really, really well when you're behind them.
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That's probably a great truth.
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As soon as you looked at your phone and got a text and walked out the door, said then it wasn't she said, don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, but it was a different vibe.
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All of a sudden it was just uh me versus the band.
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And so it made me start to think about, you know, trying to help these student teachers kind of manage what they're doing, because I'd already built up a relationship with the band.
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So it's almost uh think of it this way it's almost unfair to the student teachers in terms of classroom management because our I had to get onto my band about not knowing the names of the student teacher.
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Right.
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They call the student teacher person.
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Student teacher person.
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It's not the custodian, it's not the student teacher person, it's Mr.
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Smith and it's Miss Sweet.
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You know, so it's like you call them by their name.
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They are a person, they don't look at you and go, hey, trumpet player person with the beat-up horn.
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They they they learn your names, don't they?
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You know, so this is kind of geared towards that, you know.
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You know, and we kind of sit down before the first day to discuss the items that uh we talk about as a supervising teacher.
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We talk about um interaction with students and also how to never handle any of the money.
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They're never allowed to you're saying that you sit down with a student teacher.
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That's the interaction we're discussing.
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Because usually a university will send them to you early.
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And if not, then you call them or text them or email them and say, we've got to have a time to talk together.
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And they would usually say something to the nature of uh, you know, my my university supervisor said you'd probably have like some sort of paperwork or handbook about how you do student teaching.
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And this is kind of a shtick, you know, but I'd I'd kind of look around and I'd turn spin my chair around and go to my slide over to my file cabinet, pull it out.
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I'd thumb through all these folders, and I'd pull out one sheet of paper and I'd hand it to them.
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And you know what it said on that one sheet of paper?
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Don't touch the kids and don't touch the money.
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And then we and it was and that's kind of blunt, you know.
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But then I'd say, okay, give that back to me because I need it for the next student teacher.
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And I'd probably give them my handbook, and I'd say, but you know what?
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That first phrase is gonna live in your mind.
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And it's uh you're never allowed to, you know, just because that's a problem, you know.
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Even a pat on the back, a side hug, even a high five.
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I tell the student teacher, said you've not developed a uh a relationship because you're only gonna be here for this amount of time.
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Never.
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If they come up to you, just put your hands up, say nope, nope, I'm not nope.
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Just say no.
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We're not there yet.
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Yep.
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It's like teaching a dog.
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You just tell them no.
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And the kids respond to it really well, especially if you as a supervising teacher have told this to your band.
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Right.
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You know, that this is just what we're doing.
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And and never give money to the student teacher because if something turns up missing, I want it, I want them to have plausible deniability.
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I want it to be where I can look at the principal and go, no, it is not the student teacher.
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This is there's no way that money disappeared.
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They said they gave it to the student teacher.
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The student teacher does not take money, does not take checks, does not run things like that, you know.
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I so I just wanted to put that out there.
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Fundraising things, they should never have to answer for where's the check that kid gave you.
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Right.
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And I'm also hearing you you when you say this, protect those student teachers.
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Yes.
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Don't put don't put them in harm's way.
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Yeah.
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And don't just push off things that you don't want to do on them.
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There's a reason.
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They're not there yet.
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Yeah.
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There is a reason for that.
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Yeah.
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And their interaction with the students, and I always I tell them you've got to be professional, do not be a friend, even and it's hard because they're very close in age.
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A high school senior's 18, a person student teaching is probably 22.
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Yeah.
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21, somewhere in that arena.
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That's pretty dang close.
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They are of the same generation.
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Yep.
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Different maturity levels, obviously, for most cases.
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And I say that, but sometimes I've had high school seniors that are more mature than a student teacher.
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You know, so personality thing.
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And we all have to do our thing, you know.
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Um, they should never be in a position where accusations could be made because perception becomes reality.
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Sitting and talking in a car, seeing them at a coffee place, sitting at the same table, having a music lesson at their house, be distant, but professional.
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Because if I've stood if I've taught for 31 years, and then all of a sudden I had this is a true story.
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I had a student who went to Texas AM, and then he wanted help with the jazz improv stuff, the jazz tryout, because he wanted to be in the jazz band at Texas AM.
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And he Ethan came over and he called and said, Hey, yeah, yeah, come on over.
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So he came over and we had a like an hour-long lesson with all the stuff and he made the jazz band.
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He's a great player.
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It wasn't me.
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I think I just kind of helped his confidence a little bit.
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Um, but I can do that.
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If you're a student teacher, do not invite a student anywhere that's considered um a private area.
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Whether that be an office, the office door stays open.
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You know, uh, do not have blinds or curtains on your windows.
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If there's blinds or curtains on your windows in your office, rip those things down immediately on day one.
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Because in every door should have a window in it.
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Yep.
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Think about that for a second.
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You know what I mean?
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There should not be any doors without windows, whether it's a practice room, your office, the band hall door, their name needs to be clarity in that.
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Okay.
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That's just me talking.
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Right.
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Just let me say one thing, Mike, because I've come with this from I've worked with kids in many different environments.
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But the other thing I would say is if this seems like sometimes we listen to old guys like you and me talk about this and we roll our eyes a little bit, and we don't understand the implication of what's going on.
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Here's what I will remind you I have a good friend who was accused of something at the junior high level, did not do it, still got fired, still took years to clear his name.
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The the student finally recanted, but it didn't matter because every all that damage was already done and he could never go back to doing what he loved to do.
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Yeah, perception is reality.
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And I've got the same story, a good friend who, yeah, it's it's a nightmare.
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So um don't touch the students.
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Don't touch it's the money.
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Don't touch the money.
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Okay.
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And that's a it's just kind of a mantra that just sits in their mind.
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Um, the next thing we kind of go over is we tell them how you'll be in constant communication with the university supervisor.
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That's important to make them that it's over the the one that's over the student teacher program.
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Don't let them think that mom and dad won't talk.
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That's a warning.
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Yeah.
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That is a warning because they will think that, oh no, I'm just out here and you know, I can tell them whatever.
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No, there's probably not more than two days that ever go by that there's not at least a text about something the student teacher did really well, something that you might have a potential concern, or this student teacher just screwed up and they are not coming back to my campus.
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Right.
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Because I've done that before.
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Right, they blew it.
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They blew it, they're not coming back to campus, you know.
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So make sure that that is a warning.
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Um, also on a lighter side, I like to talk to the student teacher about how they will tend to student teach, they will tend to teach in the manner of their high school or college band director, much the way we tend to parent the way we were parented.
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All right, it's just human nature.
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I get it.
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I hate to admit that, but how many times do you as a father, and I know of me as a father, you said something to your kids, your personal kids, and you went, Oh my god, that's my dad.
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I just channeled my father.
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We're burning sunlight out here.
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Get your butts in gear.
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And we hate to admit it, and uh, we want to break any kind of generational curses, obviously, right, you know, that exist.
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And there's generational curses in in the educational process too.
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The way our band directors taught us, what my high school band director was amazing, Greg Miller.
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Um, he's he came by the house the other day.
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We were working on competition suite, getting him set up for judging this year.
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He lives up in Ludwig.
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He's all that he's gonna judge some this year.
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Yeah, he's an amazing gentleman, and uh he was my beginning band director.
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Think about that.
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When I was a beginning trumpet player, he was my teacher in I will park.
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Uh he's an amazing person.
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Um, so I thrived teaching like he taught.
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You know what I mean?
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But that's because the way he taught works nowadays.
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Sure.
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He was not the above the authoritarian.
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I mean, we knew the rules, trust me.
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We knew the rules.
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And in fact, that's as a grown adult, he actually gave me SWATs one day in front of the band.
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That's think about it.
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We were playing talk about a rabbit hole to chase here.
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Um, we were playing theme from SWAT.
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Dennership.
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And he finally stopped and he goes, uh, and he goes, uh uh he said, uh, nah, just put that one up.
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That's not gonna work.
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The whole band went silent as I exclaimed this one word bullshit.
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But all 150 students went and you hear Michael in go bullshit.
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And he goes, Who said that?
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Because he already knew.
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He already knew.
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He knew I lived across the street from him, you know.
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And so he goes, All right, come on up here, come up there and he goes, All right, let's go in the hall.
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And so the system band director went out with us.
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Whack, whack.
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I went back and sat down and we were done.
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Yeah, I'm not saying corporal punishment is right or wrong.
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I I don't care, I don't want to get into that argument.
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Not this podcast, right?
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Not this podcast, but uh it was very effective.
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Yeah, I didn't utter those words again in a band rehearsal.
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You know, I learned theory, I was for sure Trump.
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He made me hurt, man.
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Everybody heard it piece of oak.
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Okay.
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Um, but you know, it's it's it's a situation that you know we try to start doing that, but I always try to tell him think about your personality.
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You've got to teach within your personality.
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Got to be genuine, right?
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Uh intellectual person, you need to teach very intellectually.
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If you're a very emotional or a comedic person, use that sense of humor to your advantage.
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Now, if you're someone who's not very humorous, go to the level of just stupid dad jokes where it's almost so corny that it works.
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But if you try to be humorous, try to inject humor and you're not really a funny person, they're just gonna go, oh god.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So teach within your personality.
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You don't have to teach like Mr.
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Lenny, you have to teach like Derek.
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Right.
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I would I would probably add the cautionary tale of sarcasm is my love language, but we have to keep it reined in because it can it can bite, it can hurt.
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Yeah, we do talk to him about that.
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That uh past directors might have raised their voices or might have.
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Do you like that qualification?
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Might have raised their voices.
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There's a possibility.
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Yeah.
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I used to think my uh band directors, I always thought they were having like brain aneurysms because they'd say, you need to get you, and this is what they were editing on the editing, they're editing all the curse words out of their conversation.
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I didn't realize that till later.
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I thought they were having like a short circuit aneurysm or something.
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Um, but you know, and especially the use of sarcasm.
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Right.
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Sarcasm is nothing more than an insult wrapped in humor.
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I'm not saying it's wrong.
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I think the best one was uh when uh one of my percussionist kept dropping their sticks and our our band hall floor was tile.
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And we had about 140 kids in there, and it you know, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink.
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And I told them, I said, if you don't keep control of your sticks, we're gonna take those away from you and make you play a real instrument.
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Oh.
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And they looked at me and said, if they take just one away, do I become the band director?
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Oh, wow.
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And I go, well played.
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But you know what I mean?
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I knew that person, they knew me.
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And everyone just kind of snickers and I laugh and I smile.
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All right, everybody back to letter A.
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Here we go.
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Yeah, but did they drop their sticks again?
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They didn't.
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But I developed a relationship.
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If you're a student teacher or you're a first year at that school, do not rely on raising your voice, do not rely on sarcasm because that will cut.
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That will cut.
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Because there's been times in my life, even with a relationship established, that I've said something sarcastic to a kid, and then I look at them and I realize I just ripped their heart out.
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You heard them.
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Yeah.
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And then right then, as I've gotten older, not necessarily wiser, but I've learned from my scars that I just stop immediately go, I'm so sorry.
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Right.
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Because if I do the sarcasm in front of the band, the apology must be in front of the band.
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So I'm so sorry I said what I just said.
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Um, um, that was wrong.
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So I hope you can find in your heart to forgive me because I've now caused you pain.
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And I've and I that that was not my intent, but that's what I did.
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And I just leave it at that.
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And nine times out of ten, at the end of rehearsal, they'll come by and they'll go, Thank you, Mr.
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Laney, for saying that.
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But you were right.
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Sure.
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But you know, it softens the blow if you remember the truth there that you know, we have this saying it's funny because it's true.
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The unfortunate part of sarcasm, there has to be an element of truth to it to actually accomplish what you're doing.
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And it's really it's a cagey way sometimes for us to say something ugly to some.
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And you've said this already, we're couching it in humor, but we don't realize how powerful and damaging words can be, and we don't know the circumstances.
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You know, everybody's fighting the battle you don't know about.
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So I could get wound up and wrapped up, but what I'm trying to say is uh I do believe there's a better way.
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Yeah.
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I think one of the greatest quotes, my horn instructor in drumcore, one time, I couldn't get something.
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I mean, I just couldn't get it, Derek.
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I mean, I was just miserable.
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And finally he looks at me and he goes, Mike, I'm pretty sure you could hide your own Easter eggs.
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That's great.
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For a sense of sarcasm that was so intellectual at a level of sarcasm, I went and practiced for an hour and a half so I could do that double tongue feature because I just couldn't get it.
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Yeah, but I thought that was the greatest quote.
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And I just didn't use that.
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Yeah.
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The other one was uh he would say, uh, I could tell all of you were C-section babies because you're afraid of labor.
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Uh wow.
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We'd have to thank him.
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That's good.
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Right.
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You gotta respect it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you kind of respect the intellectual level he went to to call us stupid, you know.
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Um, but you know, as a student teacher, don't yell, don't tell jokes, don't use sarcasm, don't talk about your personal life, don't have one-on-one conversations with students.
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You are simply a robotic educational tool at the front of the band hall, and your job is to show me how you can present material and get kids to listen to you.
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Right now you're a sponge.
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That's why you're here.
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That's why you're here.
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And you know, what I just said to my student teachers could also be said to me by looking in a mirror.
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You know what I mean?
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Quit yelling, quit telling jokes, don't use sarcasm, don't talk about your personal life, don't have one-on-one conversations with students.
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I'd say, unless it's strictly of a professional nature.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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And uh a big one.
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I still say one-on-one is a negative no matter when.
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Yeah, I always have somebody else with me.
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Yeah, there's no doubt, no doubt at all.
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And a big one for them, and this is hard because if a band is being a little bit unruly for a student teacher or an assistant band director, never escalate a situation as a student teacher.
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Because you're you will lose.
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That's not why you're there.
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Even if you win, you still lost.
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You lose.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Never escalate a situation as a student teacher.
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Just say, we probably need to talk about this later with Mr.
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Lenny.
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Right.
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And then if they still kind of continue on, just say, just a second and go get someone to help you.
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Or, you know, don't get into some match where you're in their face and telling them how it's going to be.
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Simply go get help.
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Now, if I am the director of bands, my help might be the principal.
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Other than that, I've just got to do my thing.
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You know what I mean?
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It's kind of hard there.
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And I do tell them you're there for a portion of the semester, and then you will go on with your career.
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Don't waste time trying to win over the ensemble performers.
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You're wasting your time trying to get them to like you.
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You're wasting your time trying to convince them that you're intelligent.
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You're wasting your time trying to convince them that your way of doing things is the way to do it.
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Your only job is to establish a professional relationship and figure out what you're supposed to be doing.
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Don't waste your time on all that other scenario kind of events.
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And uh, and with all that difficult conversation out of the way, we go to our procedural items, and we talked about it on our previous broadcast.
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Um, the supervising teacher must have a process, must communicate that every day with the students.
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The student teacher needs to do it exactly the way the current band director does.
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And then when they get their own band, they can change however they want to.
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It's their program, right?
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Yeah.
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But just to go through it quickly, they we have the order of discipline, and they number one, call them, call them out in class.
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Number two, set them out of the band setup.
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Number three, do the assignment for misconduct, and that's the little paragraph they have to hand copy and turn it in.
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Number four, parent call.
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Um, and I like to get the if it's a problem, I like to get the supervising teacher to actually make the call while I'm sitting there.
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And that way they can hand me the phone if they need to.
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And just and I can kind of write things on a whiteboard and hold them up.
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Tell them this.
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Right.
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Just to try to coach them.
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And then if it gets to where they they look like they're kind of deer in the headlights, it's like, give me the phone, give me the phone.
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Right.
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And this is Mr.
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Laney, this is Mr.
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Laney, I'm the supervising uh person over the student teacher, and here's what we're talking about.
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You know, so it I think it's smart to coach them because a lot of student teachers and young band directors and all directors, they're kind of afraid of calling parents.
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But you've got to be to the level as a band director, like a telemarketer.
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Yep.
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You know, I've called parents before and they've literally told me, this seems like a you problem, Mr.
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Laney.
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This is not my problem, it's your band.
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And they'll hang up on me.
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I've had other parents that go, What can we do together as a team to solve this situation?
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It is what it is.
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You're not going to change a parent, but at least when you talk to the principal, you can say, I did call.
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And document, log that call.
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Always log calls.
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Write it down, analog.
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And then there was my dad.
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I appreciate the information.
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This will be fixed.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh.
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Yeah, that sounds like my dad.
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How many SWATs did you give him?
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Two.
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All right, he gets four when he gets home.
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Sounds good.
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And next time you want to do corporal punishment, give me a call.
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Oh, you don't want me to do that?
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No, I want to show up and do it myself.
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Okay.
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So there's an audience.
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There's all kinds of different things on that.
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And uh, you know, there's links in there on the web page for some of those assignments or whatever.
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And uh, and kind of going back to that Luke McMillan thing, I just always figured that someone was going to be upset at the end of class, and it wasn't going to be me.
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That's a healthy said the right way.
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Yes.
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In the previous one, I used more colorful language.
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But you know what I mean?
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I mean, there's two there's a perspective of uh kids, listen, there's you're not gonna win.
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So I'm not gonna be upset.
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Yeah.
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Or there's all right, you little turds.
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We'll see who's mad tomorrow.
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That's right.
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Yeah, it shouldn't become a battle, but it you should be able to go get a cup of coffee in the teacher's lounge and not be sweating and hyperventilating and your heart going 150 beats a minute.
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And just a little throw-in at the end, some sort of mild thing at the award at the end of class can be really effective and sometimes make the students feel they're better in the long run.
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Um, you know, kind of they they messed up and took their punishments, and now there isn't any hard feelings.
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We can start fresh.
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You know what I mean?
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There's little things you can do.
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It's more important to establish discipline.
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This is an important quote, I think.
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I think it's more important to establish discipline and consequences than it is to teach music during the band period.
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I agree with that.
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You know, we have to be determined not to allow things to happen because we want to keep teaching the lesson plan.
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What we uh ignore by omission is to give acceptance to in our rehearsal.
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Right.
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We're permitting.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And uh I guarantee you, you take any of my ex-band students, if you say, I bet Mr.
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Lutty had a really tight-run ship, and I bet that thing was just like a marine unit, and they'll go, that's funny.
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So because we had good noise and we had bad noise, and uh uh mine was more like organized, chaotic uh rehearsal.
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You know what I mean?
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It's and it's and it worked for me because it was my personality.
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It wouldn't work for everybody.
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You might see me working with one snare drummer in the back of a band hall with 140 kids talking to each other in front of me, you know, or another band director would just become totally unglued at that moment.
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:47.680
But you know, discipline and those consequences, a very time-consuming thing, but that's job one, and it has to be done regardless of the time it takes.
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Right.
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That's hard.
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You know, you have to only you can only go the speed of the herd without causing a stampede.
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So you can't.
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But I would interject this too, Mike, that you had your system, you worked your system, and the fact that you worked your system, you trusted it.
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Yeah, you you knew the expectations, the kids knew the expectations.
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:10.960
And I'm sure every once in a while Derek was in your class and would try to bump those, you know, what's the line?
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Do you love me line?
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If you know what I'm talking about.
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Yeah.
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And sometimes you have to figure out they just want to know that I love them enough to not let them do that.
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But but the fact is you could go do what you do and accept the good noise because everybody trusted the system, everybody knew what the system was, the discipline had been established.
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:32.079
Yes.
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:38.240
So so I guess the encouraging point here is up front, it's probably not easy to do that.
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Not easy to do that.
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And to want everybody to be perfect and realize realize young student teacher, early band director, you're not perfect either.
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Quit trying to pretend like it.
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Yeah.
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But let's have common sense and let's set the standard.
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Yeah.
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And is it a sustainable long-term standard?
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Yeah.
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And I think your list is perfect.
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Atomic habits 101.
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I was atomic habits before James Clear.
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But but you understand what I'm saying.
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Unrealistic expectations, you know, what's the saying?
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Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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Yeah.
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And I was probably maybe not a great comparison, but I I've been pulled over by DPS officers.
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Right.
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For speeding, for whatever.
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They've never come to the window and screamed at me.
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Are you sorry?
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It's a procedure.
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And I'm not saying that all law enforcement, I don't want to get into that whole discussion because I understand people are people.
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:43.039
You know, and there might be a frustrated DPS guy, but I've never been pulled over where they've gone, you dumb blankety blankety blank, give me your insurance or registration.
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:43.920
What were you thinking?
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.079
It's always licensed registration, please.
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Right.
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Can I ask you what I'm talking about for?
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Yes, you were speeding.
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Yes, even beyond that, and they usually ask me, Do you know why I pulled you over?
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Yeah.
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And I but and I'll take it.
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I guess I should be careful with that.
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:01.279
But they don't come to the colour.
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.359
Yeah, because it's a whole spectrum, too.
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.920
So I probably should they don't approach me with their weapons out screaming in an aggressive manner.
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:13.440
They are very calm, they wave, yeah, and they wait for and they say, Hey.
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Yeah.
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And they're very polite.
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I mean, it's not like they're they're to cut jokes with me, but they're very polite.
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.359
Have you ever watched them when they come up to the car, how they always touch the back of your car?
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Touch the back.
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Yep.
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Put their fingerprint on their fingerprints on your car.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I don't want to get a whole political spectrum because I understand there's law enforcement things that have gone awry, you know, but I just think in general.
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We're we're talking a very approach.
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Yeah, listen.
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I just want to just wanted to say that.
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Yeah.
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I'm also not not the guy that's going to be overly sensitive about it.
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There's bad band rectors, there's bad cops, there's bad everything.
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There's bad preachers, there's bad everything.
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No, no, Mike.
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No, Mike.
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Sorry.
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What that what have I done?
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What did I say?
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All right, Rick's gonna have to edit this one.
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He's gonna have to cut that whole last portion out.
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Or leave it in there, and I might get some more emails.
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Be great.
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Well, young young teachers, there's some golden nuggets in there.
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If you will, I would actually recommend listening to this one more than once.
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Let some of that soak in.
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You sponge, you go learn, you watch the people that have done it for a while.
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And listen, as Mike always says, he says he does everything in a Word document, so you can edit it.
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You could do that audibly as well.
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Yeah, it makes sense.
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Let's use it.
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So uh Mike, a trusty, I appreciate your time.
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I appreciate how much listen, I know it's your heart to see young people be successful at this thing we love.
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Yes, sir.
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And you know, you're you're you're very uh quick to quote Joyce on this.
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We gotta love it.
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It's too damn hard if we don't.
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Yeah, too damn hard to get if we don't listen.
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So uh we encourage everyone and listen, young people, if you want more, uh listen because I know Mike well enough to know that he's not hard to reach.
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Yeah, if you're like, man, you were talking about this, but how do I apply that in real life?
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Yeah, get in touch with Mike Lenny, he'll tell you how you can apply that and not offend your director because one of the things we didn't talk about today is whether we agree with it or not, the director is the director, is the director.
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It's his band, it's his program.
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Even if you don't agree with it, it's not your job to go, hey, listen here, old man, or listen here, lady.
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Yeah, let me tell you.
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I don't agree with that.
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Let me teach you something.
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Oh, Lord help us.
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Just a thought.
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Yeah.
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And the smartest students come up with that.
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You know, it's it's amazing.
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All right, brother.
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Well, I know that you're in demand and you've got things to do, so do I.
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I hope you have a fantastic week and we'll talk again soon.
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All right, it's been good talking.
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Michael Lenny, I want you to imagine something.
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Imagine knowing what you know about Derek at this stage of my life, after I've learned some self-restraint, after I've learned not to blurt out all the time exactly what I was thinking, whether it mattered or not.
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Can you imagine beginner cornet Derek in one of your classrooms and how and listen, I'm gonna say I was never intentionally disruptive.
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No, no, of course not.
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But I'm sure you can hear God rest him, Tom Dylan saying, kill him, my God, shut up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I can I could give you about 10 names of uh Derek reincarnated souls that that have been in my beginner trumpet classes.
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But yeah, you're right.
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Let me ask you, man.
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You know, and and you've talked about in previous episodes, you know, one class you only had 17, and one class you had 50 something.
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In my Midland ISD, Midland, Texas, uh, for those of us uh listening elsewhere, we probably had 30 plus cornets.
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And I think we had we may have had French horns in there with us, but I think he picked French horns that semester.
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In any case, a large, it was homogenous, but there's lots of us to have me sitting there going, but you know, I'm thinking about that, uh, Mr.
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Band Director, and what if we and just kind of try derailing what's going on?
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Yeah, it's it's definitely a situation because when we come out of our podcast today is kind of classroom management, but coaching student teachers, because a lot of directors out there get their first student teacher, second student teacher, and they come out of a situation in which it's very lecture oriented because the collegiate level, they're teaching us how to teach.
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Right.
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So just like Mike Lunny right now, they they talk a lot.
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They talk a lot.
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And uh I found over the years that uh repetition is your friend, and it repetition helps with classroom management, but just don't talk as much.
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Just don't talk as much, if that's just kind of a general rule, because then the the dericks of your beginning class, they'll still be the dericks of your beginning class, but if you have them playing their horn, it kind of keeps them busy.
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Right.
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And are they playing all the right notes?
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I I practice my trumpet five times a week and I don't play all the right notes, and I've been doing it for 50 years, half a century.
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So don't expect them to be playing all the right notes.
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That's stupid on you part.
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Yeah, Mike, there's the truth though that all the education of the world is great, but real world, the first time you have to apply it in the real world, there's the there's that doubt in you that is this really gonna happen?
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Is this did I know they said this would work, but uh it doesn't I don't have all the confidence, right?
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Especially as a student teacher.
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Yeah, especially for a student teacher because the class uh I think one of the funniest examples, I had a wonderful student teacher and did a great job, but they it's uh John Sweet's wife, he's at Washington State University, Lori Sweet.
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She student taught with me, and uh and she said, you know, the band behaves really, really well when you're behind them.
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That's probably a great truth.
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As soon as you looked at your phone and got a text and walked out the door, said then it wasn't she said, don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad, but it was a different vibe.
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All of a sudden it was just uh me versus the band.
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And so it made me start to think about, you know, trying to help these student teachers kind of manage what they're doing, because I'd already built up a relationship with the band.
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So it's almost uh think of it this way it's almost unfair to the student teachers in terms of classroom management because our I had to get onto my band about not knowing the names of the student teacher.
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Right.
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They call the student teacher person.
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Student teacher person.
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It's not the custodian, it's not the student teacher person, it's Mr.
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Smith and it's Miss Sweet.
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You know, so it's like you call them by their name.
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They are a person, they don't look at you and go, hey, trumpet player person with the beat-up horn.
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They they they learn your names, don't they?
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You know, so this is kind of geared towards that, you know.
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You know, and we kind of sit down before the first day to discuss the items that uh we talk about as a supervising teacher.
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We talk about um interaction with students and also how to never handle any of the money.
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They're never allowed to you're saying that you sit down with a student teacher.
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That's the interaction we're discussing.
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Because usually a university will send them to you early.
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And if not, then you call them or text them or email them and say, we've got to have a time to talk together.
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And they would usually say something to the nature of uh, you know, my my university supervisor said you'd probably have like some sort of paperwork or handbook about how you do student teaching.
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And this is kind of a shtick, you know, but I'd I'd kind of look around and I'd turn spin my chair around and go to my slide over to my file cabinet, pull it out.
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I'd thumb through all these folders, and I'd pull out one sheet of paper and I'd hand it to them.
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And you know what it said on that one sheet of paper?
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Don't touch the kids and don't touch the money.
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And then we and it was and that's kind of blunt, you know.
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But then I'd say, okay, give that back to me because I need it for the next student teacher.
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And I'd probably give them my handbook, and I'd say, but you know what?
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That first phrase is gonna live in your mind.
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And it's uh you're never allowed to, you know, just because that's a problem, you know.
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Even a pat on the back, a side hug, even a high five.
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I tell the student teacher, said you've not developed a uh a relationship because you're only gonna be here for this amount of time.
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Never.
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If they come up to you, just put your hands up, say nope, nope, I'm not nope.
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Just say no.
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We're not there yet.
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Yep.
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It's like teaching a dog.
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You just tell them no.
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And the kids respond to it really well, especially if you as a supervising teacher have told this to your band.
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Right.
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You know, that this is just what we're doing.
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And and never give money to the student teacher because if something turns up missing, I want it, I want them to have plausible deniability.
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I want it to be where I can look at the principal and go, no, it is not the student teacher.
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This is there's no way that money disappeared.
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They said they gave it to the student teacher.
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The student teacher does not take money, does not take checks, does not run things like that, you know.
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I so I just wanted to put that out there.
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Fundraising things, they should never have to answer for where's the check that kid gave you.
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Right.
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And I'm also hearing you you when you say this, protect those student teachers.
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Yes.
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Don't put don't put them in harm's way.
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Yeah.
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And don't just push off things that you don't want to do on them.
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There's a reason.
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They're not there yet.
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Yeah.
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There is a reason for that.
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Yeah.
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And their interaction with the students, and I always I tell them you've got to be professional, do not be a friend, even and it's hard because they're very close in age.
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A high school senior's 18, a person student teaching is probably 22.
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Yeah.
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21, somewhere in that arena.
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That's pretty dang close.
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They are of the same generation.
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Yep.
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Different maturity levels, obviously, for most cases.
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And I say that, but sometimes I've had high school seniors that are more mature than a student teacher.
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You know, so personality thing.
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And we all have to do our thing, you know.
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Um, they should never be in a position where accusations could be made because perception becomes reality.
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Sitting and talking in a car, seeing them at a coffee place, sitting at the same table, having a music lesson at their house, be distant, but professional.
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Because if I've stood if I've taught for 31 years, and then all of a sudden I had this is a true story.
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I had a student who went to Texas AM, and then he wanted help with the jazz improv stuff, the jazz tryout, because he wanted to be in the jazz band at Texas AM.
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And he Ethan came over and he called and said, Hey, yeah, yeah, come on over.
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So he came over and we had a like an hour-long lesson with all the stuff and he made the jazz band.
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He's a great player.
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It wasn't me.
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I think I just kind of helped his confidence a little bit.
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Um, but I can do that.
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If you're a student teacher, do not invite a student anywhere that's considered um a private area.
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Whether that be an office, the office door stays open.
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You know, uh, do not have blinds or curtains on your windows.
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If there's blinds or curtains on your windows in your office, rip those things down immediately on day one.
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Because in every door should have a window in it.
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Yep.
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Think about that for a second.
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You know what I mean?
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There should not be any doors without windows, whether it's a practice room, your office, the band hall door, their name needs to be clarity in that.
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Okay.
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That's just me talking.
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Right.
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Just let me say one thing, Mike, because I've come with this from I've worked with kids in many different environments.
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But the other thing I would say is if this seems like sometimes we listen to old guys like you and me talk about this and we roll our eyes a little bit, and we don't understand the implication of what's going on.
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Here's what I will remind you I have a good friend who was accused of something at the junior high level, did not do it, still got fired, still took years to clear his name.
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The the student finally recanted, but it didn't matter because every all that damage was already done and he could never go back to doing what he loved to do.
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Yeah, perception is reality.
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And I've got the same story, a good friend who, yeah, it's it's a nightmare.
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So um don't touch the students.
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Don't touch it's the money.
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Don't touch the money.
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Okay.
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And that's a it's just kind of a mantra that just sits in their mind.
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Um, the next thing we kind of go over is we tell them how you'll be in constant communication with the university supervisor.
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That's important to make them that it's over the the one that's over the student teacher program.
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Don't let them think that mom and dad won't talk.
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That's a warning.
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Yeah.
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That is a warning because they will think that, oh no, I'm just out here and you know, I can tell them whatever.
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No, there's probably not more than two days that ever go by that there's not at least a text about something the student teacher did really well, something that you might have a potential concern, or this student teacher just screwed up and they are not coming back to my campus.
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Right.
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Because I've done that before.
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Right, they blew it.
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They blew it, they're not coming back to campus, you know.
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So make sure that that is a warning.
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Um, also on a lighter side, I like to talk to the student teacher about how they will tend to student teach, they will tend to teach in the manner of their high school or college band director, much the way we tend to parent the way we were parented.
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All right, it's just human nature.
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I get it.
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I hate to admit that, but how many times do you as a father, and I know of me as a father, you said something to your kids, your personal kids, and you went, Oh my god, that's my dad.
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I just channeled my father.
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We're burning sunlight out here.
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Get your butts in gear.
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And we hate to admit it, and uh, we want to break any kind of generational curses, obviously, right, you know, that exist.
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And there's generational curses in in the educational process too.
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The way our band directors taught us, what my high school band director was amazing, Greg Miller.
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Um, he's he came by the house the other day.
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We were working on competition suite, getting him set up for judging this year.
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He lives up in Ludwig.
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He's all that he's gonna judge some this year.
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Yeah, he's an amazing gentleman, and uh he was my beginning band director.
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Think about that.
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When I was a beginning trumpet player, he was my teacher in I will park.
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Uh he's an amazing person.
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Um, so I thrived teaching like he taught.
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You know what I mean?
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But that's because the way he taught works nowadays.
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Sure.
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He was not the above the authoritarian.
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I mean, we knew the rules, trust me.
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We knew the rules.
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And in fact, that's as a grown adult, he actually gave me SWATs one day in front of the band.
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That's think about it.
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We were playing talk about a rabbit hole to chase here.
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Um, we were playing theme from SWAT.
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Dennership.
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And he finally stopped and he goes, uh, and he goes, uh uh he said, uh, nah, just put that one up.
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That's not gonna work.
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The whole band went silent as I exclaimed this one word bullshit.
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But all 150 students went and you hear Michael in go bullshit.
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And he goes, Who said that?
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Because he already knew.
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He already knew.
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He knew I lived across the street from him, you know.
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And so he goes, All right, come on up here, come up there and he goes, All right, let's go in the hall.
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And so the system band director went out with us.
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Whack, whack.
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I went back and sat down and we were done.
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Yeah, I'm not saying corporal punishment is right or wrong.
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I I don't care, I don't want to get into that argument.
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Not this podcast, right?
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Not this podcast, but uh it was very effective.
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Yeah, I didn't utter those words again in a band rehearsal.
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You know, I learned theory, I was for sure Trump.
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He made me hurt, man.
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Everybody heard it piece of oak.
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Okay.
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Um, but you know, it's it's it's a situation that you know we try to start doing that, but I always try to tell him think about your personality.
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You've got to teach within your personality.
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Got to be genuine, right?
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Uh intellectual person, you need to teach very intellectually.
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If you're a very emotional or a comedic person, use that sense of humor to your advantage.
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Now, if you're someone who's not very humorous, go to the level of just stupid dad jokes where it's almost so corny that it works.
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But if you try to be humorous, try to inject humor and you're not really a funny person, they're just gonna go, oh god.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So teach within your personality.
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You don't have to teach like Mr.
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Lenny, you have to teach like Derek.
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Right.
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I would I would probably add the cautionary tale of sarcasm is my love language, but we have to keep it reined in because it can it can bite, it can hurt.
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Yeah, we do talk to him about that.
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That uh past directors might have raised their voices or might have.
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Do you like that qualification?
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Might have raised their voices.
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There's a possibility.
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Yeah.
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I used to think my uh band directors, I always thought they were having like brain aneurysms because they'd say, you need to get you, and this is what they were editing on the editing, they're editing all the curse words out of their conversation.
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I didn't realize that till later.
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I thought they were having like a short circuit aneurysm or something.
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Um, but you know, and especially the use of sarcasm.
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Right.
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Sarcasm is nothing more than an insult wrapped in humor.
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I'm not saying it's wrong.
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I think the best one was uh when uh one of my percussionist kept dropping their sticks and our our band hall floor was tile.
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And we had about 140 kids in there, and it you know, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink.
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And I told them, I said, if you don't keep control of your sticks, we're gonna take those away from you and make you play a real instrument.
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Oh.
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And they looked at me and said, if they take just one away, do I become the band director?
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Oh, wow.
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And I go, well played.
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But you know what I mean?
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I knew that person, they knew me.
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And everyone just kind of snickers and I laugh and I smile.
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All right, everybody back to letter A.
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Here we go.
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Yeah, but did they drop their sticks again?
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They didn't.
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But I developed a relationship.
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If you're a student teacher or you're a first year at that school, do not rely on raising your voice, do not rely on sarcasm because that will cut.
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That will cut.
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Because there's been times in my life, even with a relationship established, that I've said something sarcastic to a kid, and then I look at them and I realize I just ripped their heart out.
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You heard them.
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Yeah.
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And then right then, as I've gotten older, not necessarily wiser, but I've learned from my scars that I just stop immediately go, I'm so sorry.
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Right.
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Because if I do the sarcasm in front of the band, the apology must be in front of the band.
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So I'm so sorry I said what I just said.
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Um, um, that was wrong.
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So I hope you can find in your heart to forgive me because I've now caused you pain.
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And I've and I that that was not my intent, but that's what I did.
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And I just leave it at that.
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And nine times out of ten, at the end of rehearsal, they'll come by and they'll go, Thank you, Mr.
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Laney, for saying that.
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But you were right.
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Sure.
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But you know, it softens the blow if you remember the truth there that you know, we have this saying it's funny because it's true.
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The unfortunate part of sarcasm, there has to be an element of truth to it to actually accomplish what you're doing.
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And it's really it's a cagey way sometimes for us to say something ugly to some.
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And you've said this already, we're couching it in humor, but we don't realize how powerful and damaging words can be, and we don't know the circumstances.
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You know, everybody's fighting the battle you don't know about.
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So I could get wound up and wrapped up, but what I'm trying to say is uh I do believe there's a better way.
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Yeah.
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I think one of the greatest quotes, my horn instructor in drumcore, one time, I couldn't get something.
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I mean, I just couldn't get it, Derek.
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I mean, I was just miserable.
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And finally he looks at me and he goes, Mike, I'm pretty sure you could hide your own Easter eggs.
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That's great.
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For a sense of sarcasm that was so intellectual at a level of sarcasm, I went and practiced for an hour and a half so I could do that double tongue feature because I just couldn't get it.
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Yeah, but I thought that was the greatest quote.
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And I just didn't use that.
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Yeah.
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The other one was uh he would say, uh, I could tell all of you were C-section babies because you're afraid of labor.
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Uh wow.
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We'd have to thank him.
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That's good.
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Right.
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You gotta respect it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you kind of respect the intellectual level he went to to call us stupid, you know.
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Um, but you know, as a student teacher, don't yell, don't tell jokes, don't use sarcasm, don't talk about your personal life, don't have one-on-one conversations with students.
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You are simply a robotic educational tool at the front of the band hall, and your job is to show me how you can present material and get kids to listen to you.
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Right now you're a sponge.
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That's why you're here.
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That's why you're here.
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And you know, what I just said to my student teachers could also be said to me by looking in a mirror.
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You know what I mean?
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Quit yelling, quit telling jokes, don't use sarcasm, don't talk about your personal life, don't have one-on-one conversations with students.
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I'd say, unless it's strictly of a professional nature.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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And uh a big one.
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I still say one-on-one is a negative no matter when.
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Yeah, I always have somebody else with me.
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Yeah, there's no doubt, no doubt at all.
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And a big one for them, and this is hard because if a band is being a little bit unruly for a student teacher or an assistant band director, never escalate a situation as a student teacher.
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Because you're you will lose.
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That's not why you're there.
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Even if you win, you still lost.
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You lose.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Never escalate a situation as a student teacher.
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Just say, we probably need to talk about this later with Mr.
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Lenny.
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Right.
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And then if they still kind of continue on, just say, just a second and go get someone to help you.
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Or, you know, don't get into some match where you're in their face and telling them how it's going to be.
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Simply go get help.
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Now, if I am the director of bands, my help might be the principal.
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Other than that, I've just got to do my thing.
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You know what I mean?
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It's kind of hard there.
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And I do tell them you're there for a portion of the semester, and then you will go on with your career.
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Don't waste time trying to win over the ensemble performers.
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You're wasting your time trying to get them to like you.
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You're wasting your time trying to convince them that you're intelligent.
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You're wasting your time trying to convince them that your way of doing things is the way to do it.
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Your only job is to establish a professional relationship and figure out what you're supposed to be doing.
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Don't waste your time on all that other scenario kind of events.
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And uh, and with all that difficult conversation out of the way, we go to our procedural items, and we talked about it on our previous broadcast.
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Um, the supervising teacher must have a process, must communicate that every day with the students.
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The student teacher needs to do it exactly the way the current band director does.
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And then when they get their own band, they can change however they want to.
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It's their program, right?
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Yeah.
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But just to go through it quickly, they we have the order of discipline, and they number one, call them, call them out in class.
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Number two, set them out of the band setup.
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Number three, do the assignment for misconduct, and that's the little paragraph they have to hand copy and turn it in.
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Number four, parent call.
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Um, and I like to get the if it's a problem, I like to get the supervising teacher to actually make the call while I'm sitting there.
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And that way they can hand me the phone if they need to.
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And just and I can kind of write things on a whiteboard and hold them up.
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Tell them this.
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Right.
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Just to try to coach them.
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And then if it gets to where they they look like they're kind of deer in the headlights, it's like, give me the phone, give me the phone.
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Right.
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And this is Mr.
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Laney, this is Mr.
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Laney, I'm the supervising uh person over the student teacher, and here's what we're talking about.
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You know, so it I think it's smart to coach them because a lot of student teachers and young band directors and all directors, they're kind of afraid of calling parents.
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But you've got to be to the level as a band director, like a telemarketer.
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Yep.
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You know, I've called parents before and they've literally told me, this seems like a you problem, Mr.
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Laney.
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This is not my problem, it's your band.
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And they'll hang up on me.
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I've had other parents that go, What can we do together as a team to solve this situation?
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It is what it is.
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You're not going to change a parent, but at least when you talk to the principal, you can say, I did call.
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And document, log that call.
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Always log calls.
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Write it down, analog.
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And then there was my dad.
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I appreciate the information.
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This will be fixed.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh.
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Yeah, that sounds like my dad.
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How many SWATs did you give him?
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Two.
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All right, he gets four when he gets home.
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Sounds good.
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And next time you want to do corporal punishment, give me a call.
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Oh, you don't want me to do that?
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No, I want to show up and do it myself.
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Okay.
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So there's an audience.
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There's all kinds of different things on that.
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And uh, you know, there's links in there on the web page for some of those assignments or whatever.
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And uh, and kind of going back to that Luke McMillan thing, I just always figured that someone was going to be upset at the end of class, and it wasn't going to be me.
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That's a healthy said the right way.
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Yes.
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In the previous one, I used more colorful language.
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But you know what I mean?
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I mean, there's two there's a perspective of uh kids, listen, there's you're not gonna win.
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So I'm not gonna be upset.
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Yeah.
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Or there's all right, you little turds.
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We'll see who's mad tomorrow.
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That's right.
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Yeah, it shouldn't become a battle, but it you should be able to go get a cup of coffee in the teacher's lounge and not be sweating and hyperventilating and your heart going 150 beats a minute.
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And just a little throw-in at the end, some sort of mild thing at the award at the end of class can be really effective and sometimes make the students feel they're better in the long run.
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Um, you know, kind of they they messed up and took their punishments, and now there isn't any hard feelings.
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We can start fresh.
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You know what I mean?
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There's little things you can do.
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It's more important to establish discipline.
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This is an important quote, I think.
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I think it's more important to establish discipline and consequences than it is to teach music during the band period.
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I agree with that.
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You know, we have to be determined not to allow things to happen because we want to keep teaching the lesson plan.
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What we uh ignore by omission is to give acceptance to in our rehearsal.
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Right.
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We're permitting.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And uh I guarantee you, you take any of my ex-band students, if you say, I bet Mr.
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Lutty had a really tight-run ship, and I bet that thing was just like a marine unit, and they'll go, that's funny.
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So because we had good noise and we had bad noise, and uh uh mine was more like organized, chaotic uh rehearsal.
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You know what I mean?
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It's and it's and it worked for me because it was my personality.
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It wouldn't work for everybody.
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You might see me working with one snare drummer in the back of a band hall with 140 kids talking to each other in front of me, you know, or another band director would just become totally unglued at that moment.
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But you know, discipline and those consequences, a very time-consuming thing, but that's job one, and it has to be done regardless of the time it takes.
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Right.
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That's hard.
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You know, you have to only you can only go the speed of the herd without causing a stampede.
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So you can't.
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But I would interject this too, Mike, that you had your system, you worked your system, and the fact that you worked your system, you trusted it.
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Yeah, you you knew the expectations, the kids knew the expectations.
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And I'm sure every once in a while Derek was in your class and would try to bump those, you know, what's the line?
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Do you love me line?
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If you know what I'm talking about.
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Yeah.
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And sometimes you have to figure out they just want to know that I love them enough to not let them do that.
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But but the fact is you could go do what you do and accept the good noise because everybody trusted the system, everybody knew what the system was, the discipline had been established.
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Yes.
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So so I guess the encouraging point here is up front, it's probably not easy to do that.
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Not easy to do that.
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And to want everybody to be perfect and realize realize young student teacher, early band director, you're not perfect either.
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Quit trying to pretend like it.
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Yeah.
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But let's have common sense and let's set the standard.
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Yeah.
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And is it a sustainable long-term standard?
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Yeah.
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And I think your list is perfect.
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Atomic habits 101.
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I was atomic habits before James Clear.
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But but you understand what I'm saying.
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Unrealistic expectations, you know, what's the saying?
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Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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Yeah.
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And I was probably maybe not a great comparison, but I I've been pulled over by DPS officers.
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Right.
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For speeding, for whatever.
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They've never come to the window and screamed at me.
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Are you sorry?
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It's a procedure.
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And I'm not saying that all law enforcement, I don't want to get into that whole discussion because I understand people are people.
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You know, and there might be a frustrated DPS guy, but I've never been pulled over where they've gone, you dumb blankety blankety blank, give me your insurance or registration.
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What were you thinking?
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It's always licensed registration, please.
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Right.
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Can I ask you what I'm talking about for?
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Yes, you were speeding.
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Yes, even beyond that, and they usually ask me, Do you know why I pulled you over?
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Yeah.
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And I but and I'll take it.
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I guess I should be careful with that.
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But they don't come to the colour.
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.359
Yeah, because it's a whole spectrum, too.
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So I probably should they don't approach me with their weapons out screaming in an aggressive manner.
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They are very calm, they wave, yeah, and they wait for and they say, Hey.
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Yeah.
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And they're very polite.
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I mean, it's not like they're they're to cut jokes with me, but they're very polite.
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Have you ever watched them when they come up to the car, how they always touch the back of your car?
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Touch the back.
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Yep.
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Put their fingerprint on their fingerprints on your car.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I don't want to get a whole political spectrum because I understand there's law enforcement things that have gone awry, you know, but I just think in general.
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We're we're talking a very approach.
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Yeah, listen.
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.119
I just want to just wanted to say that.
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Yeah.
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I'm also not not the guy that's going to be overly sensitive about it.
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There's bad band rectors, there's bad cops, there's bad everything.
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There's bad preachers, there's bad everything.
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No, no, Mike.
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No, Mike.
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Sorry.
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What that what have I done?
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What did I say?
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All right, Rick's gonna have to edit this one.
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He's gonna have to cut that whole last portion out.
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Or leave it in there, and I might get some more emails.
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Be great.
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Well, young young teachers, there's some golden nuggets in there.
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If you will, I would actually recommend listening to this one more than once.
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Let some of that soak in.
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You sponge, you go learn, you watch the people that have done it for a while.
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:30.720
And listen, as Mike always says, he says he does everything in a Word document, so you can edit it.
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You could do that audibly as well.
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:38.559
Yeah, it makes sense.
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Let's use it.
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So uh Mike, a trusty, I appreciate your time.
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I appreciate how much listen, I know it's your heart to see young people be successful at this thing we love.
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:50.720
Yes, sir.
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:58.400
And you know, you're you're you're very uh quick to quote Joyce on this.
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We gotta love it.
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It's too damn hard if we don't.
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Yeah, too damn hard to get if we don't listen.
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So uh we encourage everyone and listen, young people, if you want more, uh listen because I know Mike well enough to know that he's not hard to reach.
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.640
Yeah, if you're like, man, you were talking about this, but how do I apply that in real life?
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:33.440
Yeah, get in touch with Mike Lenny, he'll tell you how you can apply that and not offend your director because one of the things we didn't talk about today is whether we agree with it or not, the director is the director, is the director.
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It's his band, it's his program.
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Even if you don't agree with it, it's not your job to go, hey, listen here, old man, or listen here, lady.
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Yeah, let me tell you.
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I don't agree with that.
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Let me teach you something.
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Oh, Lord help us.
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Just a thought.
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Yeah.
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And the smartest students come up with that.
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You know, it's it's amazing.
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All right, brother.
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:01.599
Well, I know that you're in demand and you've got things to do, so do I.
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I hope you have a fantastic week and we'll talk again soon.
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All right, it's been good talking.
