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How are you doing.
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I'm doing quite well. Ero, how are you doing?
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Absolutely fantastic. I'm so proud of you for taking on
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this writing project because we all assume that when you
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hit a certain time in life, your story is already
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written and you know what you're proving to the world.
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Uh huh.
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Don't you even think that? As far as I mean,
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I read this and I'm going she's just getting started.
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She she's got a whole life in front of her,
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and this book just opened up that door.
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You know. You put a big smile on my face. Thanksalon, Well, what.
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Was it like for you to kind of clear out
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the closets, because that's what Julia Cameron calls it. I'm
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gonna go in there as a writer. I'm gonna clear
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out the closets. We're gonna we're gonna, you know, get
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things straight, and then we're gonna grow.
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That's exactly how I failed.
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I started writing like when I was eighty years old,
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and I kept putting it down, and I'm putting it down,
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and then when I got to all of a sudden,
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I got a birthday with a zero in it, and
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that was ninety. So I thought I'd better get my
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ass a gear and start writing. So I've been writing
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since I was ninety. So it's taken me camp close
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to five years to.
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Write the band book, you know.
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And I wanted to put everything in that I want.
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I wanted to didn't want to leave a damn thing out,
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you know.
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No, I'm totally with you on that because I'm a
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daily writer. I've been in I've been writing in a
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journal since July of nineteen ninety four. Every single day.
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I want the stuff out of me. I don't want
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it inside this head.
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Yeah.
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Well that's that's pretty much what I did. I put
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it all out there.
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What was that like for you to be so bravely honest,
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because we live in the society where everything has to
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be the candy coated plastic bathroom meer smile.
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I've never been that way.
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I've always been I've always said what I wanted to say.
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Nothing held me back, and that it hurt me a
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lot of times because I didn't do what I was
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supposed to do. I was a rebellion. So really, in
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a time when you didn't screw around with anybody at
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the studio, there was a woman in power at the
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studio and you were in the in the hands of
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a man all the time. You had to do what
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they said or you didn't get the movie I was.
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I was a contract player. I had a seven year
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contract and I lasted there almost five and then.
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Uh and then I married, and then I.
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Had a baby, and then when I got a they
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said that I was not sexy anymore. And it's sexy
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so called sexy moves in the baby. So I was
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so lucky to get out of that studio.
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You know, you just you just described so many millions
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of radio careers, because that's exactly we give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give,
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They shape shape shape, shape shape. That's why when people
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they'll talk about, oh, you've done this and you've got
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this voice, and I go, it ain't mine, this is
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this is somebody else's. I somebody gave me this voice
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and I just happened to be running with it. Do
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you feel the same way that everything you do as
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an actress or even as a writer, it's still the
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particles of somebody that gave it to you earlier.
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M not exactly. I've always been exactly what I think.
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I always write myself, you.
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Know, like when I have an interview and they're right
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what they think of you, that's not me sometimes, so
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I thought, I've.
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Got to start making this clear.
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I want to know people, let people know that if
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this is me writing and not somebody else.
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And even actresses or actress they have.
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Ghostwriters write the books for them, it's not even coming
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from them.
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But I wrote every word.
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In this book, and I'm very proud of it, and
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I just want people to know that every word there,
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I really lived every minute of it. And that's why
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I think I'm still here Because I've been kind to people,
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but I never ever let them take advantage of me.
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See That's what it's all about That's why that's the
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leadership we need and why I cannot wait to talk
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with my mom in heaven because I'm gonna go, Mom,
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you left too early. I needed these lessons. And then
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so it's like it's almost like my mom is leading
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me to people like yourself, saying, listen to her. She
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knows exactly what we're going to go through and how
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we can be strong. You've got to be yourself. And
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that's what I pick up on this book. Be yourself.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I thought, well, I'm going to have a problem
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probably getting it published because I'm saying things that I
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don't see any other versus writing about themselves like I do.
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They always sugarcoat themselves and makes them look good. They
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are afraid that make themselves look bad.
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Well I didn't.
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I write about myself being bad, making the wrong mistakes,
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and then making the right mistakes. But that's exactly what
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my book is about. That's the way I've been all
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my life. I've been honest about it. I don't shy
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away from fucking off. You're not fucking and making them wrong.
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Oh my god, you just brought out your inner South
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Dakotin I'm from Montana. I understand where you're coming from.
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So a lot of people think that we are just
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brash out there in the Pacific Northwest. No, it's just
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the way that we are. It's the way that we
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were raised. We went out there and took care of
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the cattle and the chickens. We said what we needed
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to say and got it off our chest.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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And then if they if you didn't do the right things,
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they'll take it.
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Beat your shit, I mean, beat you, beat your asshole.
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That's what them.
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There was nothing, no big deal to get a whipping,
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you know. I mean you didn't yeh exactly. I mean,
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but I've learned the hard way, and I know what it's.
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I've learned from the animals too. Believe the animals are
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a lot of damn smarter than some humans.
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Okay, now you're talking my language. Because I live in
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this forest here in North Carolina, and it's been my job,
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in my calling to preserve these animals. And because I'm
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from Montana, that's what I learned. What have you learned
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from Montana? Because are from animals? Because that's my speak,
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animals speak. What are we learning here?
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Oh? My god? Are you kidding.
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I just lost my baby, my furry baby, and two
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months ago a little I had a big german shepherd,
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and he was with me for twelve years and never.
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Left my side.
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She was so sweet and I've been grieving over her.
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She taught me when they have a problem, I want
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see what they do, and they I've always listened to
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animals on the farm. I raised chickens, and they're smarter
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than we are. There's the human. I have a hard
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time eating a chicken. I can have to eat a chicken.
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I can't tirely do it. I have a hard time
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eating meat, and but I do if I have to.
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My blood cut goes down if I don't, So I
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eat a lot of fish.
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I live by the ocean.
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I have two blocks from the ocean and one block
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from the bay. So i'm I'm on the peninsula, and
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all I do is eat fish, except I do not
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eat loves herus. You know these are all sentient beananings.
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You've got to know what you're doing. So I try
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to get away from it, and I eat as much
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as I can beside eating meat like the cows. I
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love the cows. I love I love pigs and Uh,
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you know, pig meat is very much like human meat,
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you know. And and I've used the us to butcher
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every spring.
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You know, we have what's your time?
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And I we had to survive the cold winter came.
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He couldn't live of of a vegetable garden. You know,
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you just couldn't do it.
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Please do not move. Oh, we're just getting started with
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Mami van Doren the name of her book. You thought
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I was dead. We are back with actress and now
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author Mamie van Doren. But you know, you know what's
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missing from the world though, And because you talk about
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raising those chickens, and if you raise your chickens like
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you raised mine in the same way that there is
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somebody like Michael who's your producer today, does not know
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the scent of those feathers when it's time to harvest
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the chickens. Did you harvest them and you had to
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put them in the boiler right away?
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Yeah, I don't even think of Oh my.
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God, that's smell. Oh it's still with me. I can't
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shake it.
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But do you know that when I go to a restaurant,
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I can some still.
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Smell that on them.
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I'm with you.
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The only way I can eat it is but barbecue
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sauce on it.
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I'm hearing the South, so I really get that.
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But you know, if my husband goes to the market,
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I says, if you get a barbecue chicken, and when
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that's been barbarie, you better.
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Make sure there's no cake.
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Pink blood around it, or it's got to be extremely
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well done or I can't eat it.
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Yep. I was just telling my wife last night we
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had chicken, and I said, you better shred that stuff
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because I don't want to cut into it. That's just
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not my calling in life. We shred it so I can.
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You know, I can do whatever I need to do
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with it, but it ain't gonna look like chicken when
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when I'm finished with it.
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Exactly, I don't want to know that it's a chicken
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I want. I don't want it all in one piece.
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It's got to be all mixed in. It was something
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that I'm eating. I don't want to know about it.
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Woo. But what I get out of your book is
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that it feels like that you somehow, some way found
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the keys to the time machine and you take me
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back to an era that it's like it's like first
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of all, I'm jealous of you that you got to
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go through this because it's a time of in a sense,
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even though it might have been a time of of
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things that were challenging, but in my heart, away from
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this social media driven world, you lived a time that
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I wish I could have had.
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Really, yeah, but look at look at the time.
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You know, I was in thirty one, Okay.
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You know what a car looks looked like in the twenties,
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It's like a horse, and it was like a horse
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and buggy. In fact, I remember going to the garage
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and seeing the canopies and they'd go to the church
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on Sunday and they'd be all just stuff and they'd
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go in the with a horses drawing on them. It's
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just incredible. Now, I mean, look at it now one.
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Hundred years later, what do you think? And then now
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looking at it. But it's the difference of going to church.
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Now people don't even.
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Go to church. No, No, I get my church online.
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I get my church online. Every I check you in online.
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I don't have to go in the building anymore. And
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of course schurch people don't like me for that because
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you got to do the community thing. But it's like,
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there's no reason to go. I'll just get it online.
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Exactly. I don't do that. I have another way of
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doing it, but I won't talk to you about. But
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what I want to do is I'm you know, you're lucky, though,
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but you're gonna see all of the all of the future.
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It's gonna be from the air, and you're going to
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You're not gonna be in your car. You're gonna get
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in a car that's gonna be able to fly, and
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everything is gonna be in the air. I mean, you
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in cars. Look at the cars now, they're so out
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of I mean, unbelievably. But you wouldn't even think of
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that one hundred years ago. But now nobody's thinking about
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I host a podcast with Alexa who is AI Technology?
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Every week. I do it physically. I do a thirty
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prove to the world that the human mind can outsmart
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what people need to do. They need they don't sit
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there and rely on her like a drug. They need
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to stump this AI technology so they can wake up
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their departments to say, we're not smarter than the human.
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The human still has us. Uh, well, we're gonna kick
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my butt right now, aren't you.
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I know you.
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I can feel it coming on here.
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Yeah yeah, yeah. Well the guy that won the Nobel
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first of all, I got to tell you that I
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love your dedication. The dedication really got into my soul
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because I swear to God, you didn't leave any stone unturned.
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I mean, you got everybody in there. And I'll bet
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you that list could have been like hundreds of pages long.
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I gave some of it to my dog because yeah,
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he's in every page, He's in every word, because he
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was with me every second of the time when I
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was writing.
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So did you ever have a moment with your dog
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where it was like, Okay, you need to teach me.
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not all dog owners understand that. I sat with my Jazzy,
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who I call the disaster artist because she is very disastrous.
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I'm gonna learn from her. What about you, What did
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I learned to be patient, yes, And that's really one
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of the main things, is being patient and not taking
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everything so seriously.
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I mean, if you have a problem, they seem I
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could sleep.
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It off, you know, that's kind of and I could
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sleep next to them and I'd feel better. And she'd
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always want to touch me when she slept. Yes, she
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always had to touch me if I was sleeping in bed,
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she'd move over and just touched me and know that
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I was breathing and everything was fine. She was always
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she followed me to the bath when I was taking
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a shower over the bath.
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She never left me. I mean, she never left me.
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When when you've got a book like this, and what
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I mean by this is that you also throw something
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in there that I've got to know, what's what happened here?
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You add cartoons in there from Steven? Is it because
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you grew up reading the funnies in the paper? Because
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when that's exactly the vision that I got as a reader,
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I'm going, oh my god, she's got she's getting straight
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to my soul in this book with these funnies.
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Yes, it's true.
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Yes, I love Dick Tracy, smiling Jack, Yes, little little Fanny.
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And I says, why I've got to put something like
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this in my book. Everybody has a straight thing, you know,
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just print and pictures of themselves. I said, I want
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to do something different. And I saw Sevin Waltley's work.
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My god, it's.
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Fantastic work he does. He's from England and London and
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we made it.
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he would write something about each chapter and do a
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post caricature of everything, and he said he would love
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to do it, and he came up with all these beautiful,
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colorful speak pictures and and and really made you can
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look at the picture and kind of know what the
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chapter is about.
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It's just it's incredible.
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Yep, yeah, yeah, because I've always believed that that the
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pictures invite people in to read the words. That's what
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I learned when I used to put all my artwork
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on canvas and then sell it at galleries. They weren't
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buying just the painting. They wanted the words. And so therefore,
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your collaboration with Steven is mind blowing to me because
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I get it. I really understand the process.
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Got it. Know you you really.
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I think I've met you someplace before and I didn't
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know it.
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Maybe we're gonna meet in the next life, because I
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believe in that too. Maybe maybe you're gonna be right.
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We're gonna We're gonna meet on Mars, is what we're
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gonna do. We're gonna go up on Mars and we're
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gonna get rid of that AI unit up there because
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we're gonna go We're Heilming, We're here to stay.
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Yeah, well, there's gonna be We're gonna you're gonna put it.
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I won't be here, but you will be able to
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see h A robots.
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Going to bars and it's going to be incredible.
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I just oh, I do anything if I could speak
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see that, but I won't, but that you will be
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Oh god, this is going to be so exciting, and
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you want to get it?
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And do you know how to fly? Have you ever flown? Explain?
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imagination do the flying for me. And my god, we
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go all over this world within seconds. I can't figure
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ot why real life can't keep up with that.
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Yeah, yeah, Well, when I was in Vietnam, I was
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over there for three months entertaining the grunts nobody else,
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flaying tens to.
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Those Those are the brave motherfuckers. They really were great.
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And I was over there three months, flying from one
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fire station to the other, and you know, Dodgy Bullis
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and Rackus and I.
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Made it out of there.
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Wow.
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And believe me, I know what it's like flying.
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the DMZ, which was the doc Ha home mar.
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Doctor area was. I made two trips.
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sixty eight. I landed at Tonsanouke Airport and then I
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was there, and then I was just.
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Seeing the wounded.
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And then I decided to go back in seventy one,
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and they got more sophisticated and they were shooting up
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our helicopters are out of the sky a lot more,
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and so it was more dangerous. But I did get
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up there, and I performed sixty minutes one hour every time,
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sweating in that damn human air and rain. And I
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had a little Filipino orchestra, and I wasn't with Bob Hope.
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I went well on my own and I hired these
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Filipinos and they played. I had about five instruments, and
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they were in another helo helicopter, and we were in
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those old Huey's. You know, they don't cryme around here anymore.
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I got out of there, I was lucky. I just
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was lucky.
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I got sick, and then they had a man of
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backed me out with the wounded and we went to Tachikawa, Japan,
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and I was there for a while I was I
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was in shell shock. I had pt S C I
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I really was sick. And then and then they I
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kept They kept me there for one week, and then
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they put me on a medevac to the Tripper Hospital
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in uh Lulu and uh my mom and son met
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me there, and I couldn't believe. I thought, I said,
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I'm out of Vietnam. I'm not going to die there anyway. Anyway,
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I had an experience that I but I did it.
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I did it for the grunts. I really, I really
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did it. You have no idea how how how horrible
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they had to go through.
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Nobody ever paid attention when they came home.
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Amen. Amen, And.
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So I write about that in my book.
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And I met a guy, uh from Villa that was
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there when I met me and saw me perform, and
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two of his buddies, but both of them, fricking Garb
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and Booth got killed. They were got a sniper got
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him from by. I've got a long way.
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They didn't even know where it was.
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He has been a sharp shooter and he killed him,
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killed both of those guys.
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He gets turned around. One moment he's.
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Here, the next minute he's gone. And that's what these
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kids went through. They weren't even some of them were
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seventeen years old, and we didn't welcome back. Well, we
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should be ashamed of ourselves.
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You got to come back to this show anytime in
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the future. Twenty minutes with you is nowhere near where
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I want to go with you when it comes to
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your creativity and your process of doing it today.
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Oh my god, Errol, thank you so kindly.
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Will you come back anytime? That door is always going
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to be open for you.
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Okay, Well, just contact each time you want me, Just
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contact me.
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I'll be glad. I'd love to be with you again.
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I will be brilliant today.
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Okay, okay, I love you.
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I love you too. I do love you. Bye bye,
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How are you doing.
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I'm doing quite well. Ero, how are you doing?
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Absolutely fantastic. I'm so proud of you for taking on
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this writing project because we all assume that when you
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hit a certain time in life, your story is already
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written and you know what you're proving to the world.
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Don't you even think that? As far as I mean,
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I read this and I'm going she's just getting started.
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She she's got a whole life in front of her,
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and this book just opened up that door.
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You know. You put a big smile on my face. Thanksalon, Well, what.
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Was it like for you to kind of clear out
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the closets, because that's what Julia Cameron calls it. I'm
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gonna go in there as a writer. I'm gonna clear
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out the closets. We're gonna we're gonna, you know, get
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things straight, and then we're gonna grow.
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That's exactly how I failed.
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I started writing like when I was eighty years old,
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since I was ninety. So it's taken me camp close
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Write the band book, you know.
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I wanted to didn't want to leave a damn thing out,
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daily writer. I've been in I've been writing in a
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journal since July of nineteen ninety four. Every single day.
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I want the stuff out of me. I don't want
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What was that like for you to be so bravely honest,
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I've never been that way.
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supposed to do. I was a rebellion. So really, in
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a time when you didn't screw around with anybody at
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the studio, there was a woman in power at the
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studio and you were in the in the hands of
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a man all the time. You had to do what
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said that I was not sexy anymore. And it's sexy
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so called sexy moves in the baby. So I was
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so lucky to get out of that studio.
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of radio careers, because that's exactly we give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give,
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this voice, and I go, it ain't mine, this is
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this is somebody else's. I somebody gave me this voice
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and I just happened to be running with it. Do
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you feel the same way that everything you do as
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an actress or even as a writer, it's still the
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particles of somebody that gave it to you earlier.
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M not exactly. I've always been exactly what I think.
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what they think of you, that's not me sometimes, so
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this is me writing and not somebody else.
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Ghostwriters write the books for them, it's not even coming
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from them.
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In this book, and I'm very proud of it, and
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I think I'm still here Because I've been kind to people,
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but I never ever let them take advantage of me.
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See That's what it's all about That's why that's the
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leadership we need and why I cannot wait to talk
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with my mom in heaven because I'm gonna go, Mom,
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you left too early. I needed these lessons. And then
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so it's like it's almost like my mom is leading
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me to people like yourself, saying, listen to her. She
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knows exactly what we're going to go through and how
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we can be strong. You've got to be yourself. And
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that's what I pick up on this book. Be yourself.
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probably getting it published because I'm saying things that I
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don't see any other versus writing about themselves like I do.
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I write about myself being bad, making the wrong mistakes,
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and then making the right mistakes. But that's exactly what
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my book is about. That's the way I've been all
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my life. I've been honest about it. I don't shy
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away from fucking off. You're not fucking and making them wrong.
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Oh my god, you just brought out your inner South
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Dakotin I'm from Montana. I understand where you're coming from.
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brash out there in the Pacific Northwest. No, it's just
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the way that we are. It's the way that we
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were raised. We went out there and took care of
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the cattle and the chickens. We said what we needed
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to say and got it off our chest.
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this forest here in North Carolina, and it's been my job,
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in my calling to preserve these animals. And because I'm
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from Montana, that's what I learned. What have you learned
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from Montana? Because are from animals? Because that's my speak,
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animals speak. What are we learning here?
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months ago a little I had a big german shepherd,
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see what they do, and they I've always listened to
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animals on the farm. I raised chickens, and they're smarter
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than we are. There's the human. I have a hard
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time eating a chicken. I can have to eat a chicken.
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I have two blocks from the ocean and one block
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from the bay. So i'm I'm on the peninsula, and
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eat loves herus. You know these are all sentient beananings.
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to get away from it, and I eat as much
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as I can beside eating meat like the cows. I
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love the cows. I love I love pigs and Uh,
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you know. And and I've used the us to butcher
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you just couldn't do it.
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Please do not move. Oh, we're just getting started with
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Mami van Doren the name of her book. You thought
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I was dead. We are back with actress and now
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author Mamie van Doren. But you know, you know what's
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missing from the world though, And because you talk about
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raising those chickens, and if you raise your chickens like
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you raised mine in the same way that there is
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somebody like Michael who's your producer today, does not know
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the scent of those feathers when it's time to harvest
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the chickens. Did you harvest them and you had to
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put them in the boiler right away?
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that's been barbarie, you better.
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not my calling in life. We shred it so I can.
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when I'm finished with it.
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Woo. But what I get out of your book is
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that it feels like that you somehow, some way found
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the keys to the time machine and you take me
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back to an era that it's like it's like first
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of all, I'm jealous of you that you got to
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go through this because it's a time of in a sense,
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even though it might have been a time of of
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things that were challenging, but in my heart, away from
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this social media driven world, you lived a time that
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and buggy. In fact, I remember going to the garage
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on Sunday and they'd be all just stuff and they'd
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you got to do the community thing. But it's like,
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there's no reason to go. I'll just get it online.
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what I want to do is I'm you know, you're lucky, though,
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but you're gonna see all of the all of the future.
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It's gonna be from the air, and you're going to
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in a car that's gonna be able to fly, and
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everything is gonna be in the air. I mean, you
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in cars. Look at the cars now, they're so out
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of I mean, unbelievably. But you wouldn't even think of
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that one hundred years ago. But now nobody's thinking about
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what's happening. You're gonna have a car that can fly.
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I host a podcast with Alexa who is AI Technology?
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prove to the world that the human mind can outsmart
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that AI technology. I stump her every single show. That's
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what people need to do. They need they don't sit
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there and rely on her like a drug. They need
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to stump this AI technology so they can wake up
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their departments to say, we're not smarter than the human.
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my butt right now, aren't you.
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I know you.
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I can feel it coming on here.
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because I swear to God, you didn't leave any stone unturned.
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I mean, you got everybody in there. And I'll bet
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he's in every page, He's in every word, because he
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who I call the disaster artist because she is very disastrous.
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But it's like, I'm not gonna get rid of her.
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I'm gonna learn from her. What about you, What did
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you learn from your baby?
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Well?
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I learned to be patient, yes, And that's really one
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of the main things, is being patient and not taking
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everything so seriously.
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I mean, if you have a problem, they seem I
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could sleep.
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It off, you know, that's kind of and I could
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sleep next to them and I'd feel better. And she'd
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always want to touch me when she slept. Yes, she
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always had to touch me if I was sleeping in bed,
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she'd move over and just touched me and know that
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I was breathing and everything was fine. She was always
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she followed me to the bath when I was taking
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a shower over the bath.
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She never left me. I mean, she never left me.
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When when you've got a book like this, and what
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I mean by this is that you also throw something
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in there that I've got to know, what's what happened here?
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You add cartoons in there from Steven? Is it because
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you grew up reading the funnies in the paper? Because
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when that's exactly the vision that I got as a reader,
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I'm going, oh my god, she's got she's getting straight
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to my soul in this book with these funnies.
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Yes, it's true.
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Yes, I love Dick Tracy, smiling Jack, Yes, little little Fanny.
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And I says, why I've got to put something like
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this in my book. Everybody has a straight thing, you know,
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just print and pictures of themselves. I said, I want
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to do something different. And I saw Sevin Waltley's work.
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My god, it's.
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Fantastic work he does. He's from England and London and
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we made it.
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We made a pack together and I asked him if
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he would write something about each chapter and do a
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post caricature of everything, and he said he would love
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to do it, and he came up with all these beautiful,
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colorful speak pictures and and and really made you can
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look at the picture and kind of know what the
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chapter is about.
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It's just it's incredible.
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Yep, yeah, yeah, because I've always believed that that the
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pictures invite people in to read the words. That's what
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I learned when I used to put all my artwork
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on canvas and then sell it at galleries. They weren't
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buying just the painting. They wanted the words. And so therefore,
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your collaboration with Steven is mind blowing to me because
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I get it. I really understand the process.
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Got it. Know you you really.
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I think I've met you someplace before and I didn't
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know it.
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Maybe we're gonna meet in the next life, because I
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believe in that too. Maybe maybe you're gonna be right.
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We're gonna We're gonna meet on Mars, is what we're
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gonna do. We're gonna go up on Mars and we're
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gonna get rid of that AI unit up there because
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we're gonna go We're Heilming, We're here to stay.
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Yeah, well, there's gonna be We're gonna you're gonna put it.
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I won't be here, but you will be able to
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see h A robots.
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Going to bars and it's going to be incredible.
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I just oh, I do anything if I could speak
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see that, but I won't, but that you will be
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Oh god, this is going to be so exciting, and
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you want to get it?
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And do you know how to fly? Have you ever flown? Explain?
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No, No, I've never done that, but I'd let my
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imagination do the flying for me. And my god, we
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go all over this world within seconds. I can't figure
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ot why real life can't keep up with that.
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Yeah, yeah, Well, when I was in Vietnam, I was
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over there for three months entertaining the grunts nobody else,
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flaying tens to.
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Those Those are the brave motherfuckers. They really were great.
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And I was over there three months, flying from one
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fire station to the other, and you know, Dodgy Bullis
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and Rackus and I.
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Made it out of there.
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Wow.
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And believe me, I know what it's like flying.
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And I was up by a crank tree up by
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the DMZ, which was the doc Ha home mar.
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Doctor area was. I made two trips.
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Over there, one thurn during the ten expensive in nineteen
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sixty eight. I landed at Tonsanouke Airport and then I
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was there, and then I was just.
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Seeing the wounded.
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And then I decided to go back in seventy one,
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and they got more sophisticated and they were shooting up
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our helicopters are out of the sky a lot more,
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and so it was more dangerous. But I did get
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up there, and I performed sixty minutes one hour every time,
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sweating in that damn human air and rain. And I
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had a little Filipino orchestra, and I wasn't with Bob Hope.
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I went well on my own and I hired these
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Filipinos and they played. I had about five instruments, and
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they were in another helo helicopter, and we were in
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those old Huey's. You know, they don't cryme around here anymore.
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And and believe me, when.
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I got out of there, I was lucky. I just
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was lucky.
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I got sick, and then they had a man of
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backed me out with the wounded and we went to Tachikawa, Japan,
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and I was there for a while I was I
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was in shell shock. I had pt S C I
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I really was sick. And then and then they I
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kept They kept me there for one week, and then
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they put me on a medevac to the Tripper Hospital
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in uh Lulu and uh my mom and son met
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me there, and I couldn't believe. I thought, I said,
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I'm out of Vietnam. I'm not going to die there anyway. Anyway,
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I had an experience that I but I did it.
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I did it for the grunts. I really, I really
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did it. You have no idea how how how horrible
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they had to go through.
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Nobody ever paid attention when they came home.
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Amen. Amen, And.
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So I write about that in my book.
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And I met a guy, uh from Villa that was
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there when I met me and saw me perform, and
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two of his buddies, but both of them, fricking Garb
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and Booth got killed. They were got a sniper got
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him from by. I've got a long way.
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They didn't even know where it was.
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He has been a sharp shooter and he killed him,
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killed both of those guys.
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He gets turned around. One moment he's.
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Here, the next minute he's gone. And that's what these
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kids went through. They weren't even some of them were
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seventeen years old, and we didn't welcome back. Well, we
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should be ashamed of ourselves.
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You got to come back to this show anytime in
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the future. Twenty minutes with you is nowhere near where
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I want to go with you when it comes to
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your creativity and your process of doing it today.
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Oh my god, Errol, thank you so kindly.
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Will you come back anytime? That door is always going
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to be open for you.
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Okay, Well, just contact each time you want me, Just
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contact me.
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I'll be glad. I'd love to be with you again.
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I will be brilliant today.
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Okay, okay, I love you.
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I love you too. I do love you. Bye bye,
