KEYFORGE ONLINE IS HERE! Is This the Future of KeyForge?

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Right.
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This is like a thing.
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This is like a reference, right?
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Ask the Yellow King.
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He's here. No, it is more fun to make up
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our own stories than.
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To have any facts.
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What you're doing anyway.
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I agree, however. More story. But what's going on, everybody?
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Go ahead. We started.
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I was just talking about this. The Yellow King is
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a short story collection by American writer Robert W.
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Chambers. See, this is not what you wanted to start with.
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Go ahead. No, I want to know more. Please tell me.
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Uh published but okay all right uh british okay blah
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blah blah nine short stories and a sequence of poems
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while the first stories belong to the genres of supernatural
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horror and weird fiction it could be key for g
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you know.
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Maybe like cthulhu uh supernatural horror that's like cthulhu right
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like that's considered supernatural yeah.
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Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah progressively transitions towards more light
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hearted tone ending with romantic stories, devoid of horror or
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super act natural elements. Well, you know, maybe that's like, uh,
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could that be the, the story of key forge maybe
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where it's like, it starts out all scary and weird fiction.
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Nobody plays it, but then magically, magically it's saved and
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turns into a romance story and you get married at
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a key forge event.
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No, this game is a sinking ship. Oh, okay. But
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what's going on, everybody? I'm the only one in the W-O-O-K-I-E.
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Joined here by the normal Key Forge people. Sheep's here. Dr.
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Sheep's here. Say hi, Dr.
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Sheep.
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Castamus Fitz. It's been a little while. I gotta get
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back on my horse. You gotta give me a little time.
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I get the yellow king for free.
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Why did you turn into a horse? Because they're a horse.
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Because they're a horse, of course, of course. The Minnesota
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Deuce himself. Ewok Jr.
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Hello, Key Forge community. Glad to be here.
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Are you ready? I'm ready for this. It is the
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Draz Corps. Of the Draz Corps. The Smoke Show. The
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Choke Show. He almost did something cool. Draz Corps. I mean,
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this is definitely.
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uh, the nice, um, yeah, I love that you guys
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have given me so many names. It just means how
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much you guys think about me and love me and
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all that.
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Riku says, thank you all for not seeing race. It's
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my setup for a racist joke reference to myself being Asian.
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That's too easy. Sir, sir, this is too easy for
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this classy podcast. We'll make fun of you for other reasons. Okay.
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This is nothing but highbrow humor here. Hold on.
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We started off with a whole thing about a poem.
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Right? Supernatural tentacle porn poems. And now we've moved into
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whatever it is we're talking about now. Oh, Dravscore. Almost
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doing something cool. Almost. Almost. That's why it's the Choke Show.
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But we are far too gifted on this show. to
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stoop to such easy jokes. Anyways, Key Forge Online. Should
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we talk about it? I suppose it's a thing that's happening, right? Yeah.
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All right.
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So you're excited about this.
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Vietnam.
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No, we will do Vietnam. We'll come back to Vietnam.
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We got to talk about the news. We'll come back
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to Vietnam, right? I'm just going to be talking over here.
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Everybody's going to get a double dose this week.
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Vietnam was amazing. Vietnam 1 will be releasing either today
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or tomorrow.
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This is now Vietnam 3. Vietnam is Keyforge.
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Vietnam is Keyforge. Because Keyforge Online was here. I thought
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Keyforge Online was already here, but now it's going to
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be here again.
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More here?
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It's more here.
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Um....
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Let's start with the positive. Let's do the, what do.
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They call that? The compliment sandwich. What is it, Ewok?
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It's the whatever sandwich where we start with a positive
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and then I shred it for like 45 minutes and
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then we come back around to Ewok where he puts
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a nice little bow on it.
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Well, typically it would be one positive, one negative, one positive. Now,
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45 minutes of complaining. Just one, one, and one.
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This is an American sandwich.
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You really have two positive and one negative.
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Oh.
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We got to give ourselves a heart attack with this thing.
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That's right. Extra mayonnaise. Wow.
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Yeah.
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I'm down. So, all right. I'm sorry. Crucible Online. Key
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Forge Online is here. What is this? KFO. This is.
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This is a... I guess we're just going to... Everybody knows, right?
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So we don't have to keep people behind masks, right?
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Everybody knows this. As far as we know right now
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is DeadSync and Riku making a new way to play
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Key Forge Online that is better. Right? That's where we're
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at on this one, right? And as far as I
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understand it right now, there will be digital decks. Yeah!
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This opened up so many questions. So many questions.
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So is this show just going to be us making
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total shit up because we do not know what's happening
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with any of this?
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I do like making total shit up, yes.
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Okay, I just want.
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To make sure we're on the same page. I mean,
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we know a few things. So we should go over
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what little we know. And then we can talk about
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what we think they should do.
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We know it's coming soon, TM. Right? Soon trademarked. Four
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to six business years. We actually know that they actually
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set a date quite far in the future. 2028.
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Yes.
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Is what I saw in there. Like I said, four
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to six business years.
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Induced comas. That could be tomorrow.
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Could be. We can do this, guys.
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Make sure you give your credit card information to somebody
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else so they can pledge while you're in your cell.
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But here we go again.
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Like, okay, you guys are cool with the game found manager.
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Like, this is.
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They gotta fund it somehow.
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Yeah, they have to. I get it, but like, GG
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is just allowing the IP to be used. They're not
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a part of this as far as I understand. Well,
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they are a part of it, but very distantly. No,
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I think they're just taking it. They're like, yeah, we
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will give it to you and you pay us money
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to use the IP. I don't think they're involved in
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this whatsoever. I don't... I thought I read something somewhere
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that's like... Well, no, because this is a game... Okay,
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so this is a game found campaign by Yellow King,
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which is Riku, for those of you following along. This
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is not a ghost... It is not.
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This is not a ghost galaxy. It's not a human person.
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It's a corporation person.
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Yeah. Right.
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Okay. So yellow King is Riku and, and dead sink.
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Right.
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And whatever.
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That's the two we know. I don't know how much
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dead sinks, just a community. Well, he's the ones listed.
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He said he's the community manager in the announcements.
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So.
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Sure.
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So he will.
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We don't know the relationships of anybody. within this company?
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JT Russell and Quickdraw are helping volunteer as moderators on
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the server. Suckers. So we're going to get adaptive in this,
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I think. I wasn't asked to moderate. I'm just saying.
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That's because you don't moderate anything.
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I look at things now and again.
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You enable. You do not moderate.
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I might poke the bear from time to time. It
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might be one of my favorite things to do. Okay. So,
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I guess we don't know. Tell them what little we
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do know.
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What do we know? That they want some money?
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They want some money from you. 1811 people are following.
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Okay.
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Right now. Your free digital Archon deck plus follower bonus.
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Early supporters of Keyforge Online. One Keyforge Online Archon deck
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of the most recent set available on Keyforge Online at
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the time of the game's release. Follower exclusives of an
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in-game Ultra Gravitron Archon Buddy. So you will get an
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Archon Buddy. Which will immediately... Sheep will have... I don't
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even know what's available. But like, okay, so... There's so
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many questions. right? So like, what's the most, is it
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going to start at the most recent set of time
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of release?
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I think it has to, right? Like they, they're going
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to want to get you excited. Uh, you being like
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a newer player, get you excited about product that is
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currently in stores, right?
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And does this start a wave of rotation? I just
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thought about this. I don't know. Why would it make rotation? Well,
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because now you're going to have Keyforge online. Well, and
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I guess we don't... Are we going to be able
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to play with our old Keyforge decks?
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Yes.
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That has been confirmed. We're able to upload decks. I
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know somewhere it said it's accessing the Master Vault, but
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I didn't see where it said.
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Yes, and it said that you're going to be able
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to play your old stuff.
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All right.
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I think, uh, well, I think there was, I can't
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find it permanent legal. So I think, uh, maybe not your,
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that menage you got stashed away. That might not be,
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nobody has, if you're still sitting on some chain, well,
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it is stashed away, sitting on a mark in the dumpster.
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Actually, I have a bunch of sealed because it's not
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worth opening, but anyway.
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Or while there's that do absolutely nothing with it.
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I think that the way I would tackle this is more,
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what do we know? One, you can go ahead and
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see that there was an actual announcement from keyforging.com. So
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that is one huge news. We had it announced at
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KFC last year that there would be a digital client.
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We can now go ahead and see.
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Did we? I thought it said they were looking. It's
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something that if it came across, they wouldn't turn it down.
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I'd have to go rewatch. I'd have to go rewatch. Well,
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there we go.
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Here it is, and they didn't turn it down.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Well, I'll say the next bit is that we know here,
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founder of Yellow King, Riku, well-known community member, and DeadSync, again,
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well-known community member, and are involved with this. You have
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some other well-known community members.
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This is great.
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We have amazing community members who are going above and
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beyond to bring us things from Keychain to... now an
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online platform. And no diss against TCO. TCO has literally
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kept this game alive for years and years. But this
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is exciting. We also know that there is more details
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to come. You can see details at the keynote at
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Key Forge Celebration 2026. So definitely show up. I think
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it'll be a great time. There is an official online
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Discord server. So if you have not already checked out
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the actual news blurb that's there from keepforging.com, that is
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another resource for us to be able to see. That
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is all information that we can see. We can see
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that there's a game found page that you can go
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ahead and follow. You already talked about the free digital deck. Um,
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there are a lot of questions, but man, this, this
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is exciting news at the very, very, very least.
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This is very, very exciting news.
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Um, Tell me why this would not be exciting news.
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This is literally an online component for us to be
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able to have.
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This is what we've been asking for, Wookie. Don't tell
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us why this is a bad idea.
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We've had a digital online client for years.
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We have not had an official online client that includes
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the ability to purchase decks in it.
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Correct.
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And potentially have some sort of meaningful ranking that results
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in you being able to win more decks like many
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online card games allow.
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What Sheep just said.
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True.
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So I guess there could be the grinders out there.
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I just opened up TCO, my local TCO, The Crucible Online.
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There are three games going on right now.
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One is Toot and Carnage playing against themselves.
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But there's no slap in TCO. As I just said
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less than five minutes ago, TCO literally has kept this
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game afloat when, frankly, FFG and GG were not there.
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To be able to do it.
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I will state that, and I will continue to back
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everyone from TCO. They've done a phenomenal job.
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Fun story. At one time, it was the same dude.
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I'm just going to go ahead and say that here...
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They haven't supported. I mean, this is client that would
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be attached with DJ.
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Correct.
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It's being discussed at the Key Forge event, which means
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when this after this goes, it will probably be printed
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on future decks. So when you buy a deck, you
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will know it'll be. It'll be more. obvious to anybody
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who has any interest in Key Forge, where TCO, like,
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people who've played this game for months in stores may
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not even know that TCO exists, because it's not that
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easy to find. Like, people join our Discord, they start
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talking to Key Forge, they're like, well, come play with us.
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They're like, what are you talking about? We're like, we
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play over here, and they go, oh. So, having it
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on the front of stuff in the future will... Will help.
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It's a marketing component, Sheep. That's what's there.
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I actually just listened to a podcast a little bit
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ago from Board Game Geek, and it was in reference
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to a board game company that many years ago had
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actually gone into Kickstarter, GameFound, and kind of that online play.
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And one of the main takeaways from this was the
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idea of how Kickstarter and GameFound has really changed from
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small independent companies that are like, hey, I want to
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get a foothold.
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I want to start. And I have this really cool idea.
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To some very, very mainstay companies. Companies that have more
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than enough to be able to publish, but what they're
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actually getting from Kickstarter and GameFound is marketing. And we've
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been complaining that, frankly, GG lacks in that marketing. So
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at the very least, I know in my own messaging
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this week, I've seen that they tapped into the GameFound from, well...
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I believe they tapped into another game found that was there.
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And so they're reaching out with previous amounts because the
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more game founds we've gotten in, we've lost people. And
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many people have been clamoring for online play. So if
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nothing else, and it provides marketing to say, hey, this
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game is around.
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I miss it.
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I want to come back. I look for it. Maybe
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they dabble because it's an online client. I think that's
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very exciting for the future here.
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Yeah, I like.
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A better client with proper integration, it can't hurt us. Uh,
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in my opinion, I mean, as, as I've talked in
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many shows, I also am not one who's super convinced
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we have the population to, uh, have explosive growth that,
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you know, everybody who says like, Oh, if there was OP,
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we would have crazy growth. I think that's absolutely crazy.
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I mean, we would have less attrition.
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I don't know if anybody's ever said that. I think
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we said if we've had OP, we'd have some growth.
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Slow motion is better than no motion, you know. That's
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what she said.
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I think it's somewhere in between from where both of
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you guys are standing, and that's what most of the
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community can see. We do have a large attrition right now.
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This can cut into it. Is it going to show
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massive growth? I hope so, but realistically, probably not. It'll
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show some growth. You'll have some people be like, hey,
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I played this online. Now, the next question is, what's
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the distribution method? Is it just game file?
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Oh.
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Yeah, are you asking? It's going to be on Steam.
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It is going to be on Steam. I thought I've
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read everything. I was going to say, is this going
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to be on Steam? Is this going to only be
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on keyforging.com? Because we know how everybody flocks there for things.
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Yeah i think steam is a much bigger platform did
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they put a dollar amount on it or is it
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free to play.
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Nope that none of that's been announced yeah we don't
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know it's been an announcement okay what do we think
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they should do there well they should figure out how
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much they need to be able to produce the game
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and then i say they need that much money i
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am not a developer i am bad.
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At guessing this number. I see some people saying, you
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see some people saying, oh, they should be able to
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ask for a hundred grand. And I'm like, I don't
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think a hundred grand does it. And then there's other
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people saying, oh, they're going to need a million dollars.
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And there's no way they're raising a million dollars on
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a key forge thing.
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And there's definitely, we did it once as, you know,
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a guy in the software field.
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Yeah.
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But like, it, it's weird to think about like, is
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there their game found. Right. So like, When you're selling
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game found software, like especially on something like that is
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a card game software where you're paying for packs, you
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don't typically pay for the software itself, right? Like the
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software is free and then you pay for.
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Magic Online is free and then you pay for the
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product that you want to continue playing.
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Most of these things, right? And then you pay for
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the content. So i'm i've never game founded anything like
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this so i'm not really sure what they're selling outside
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of some cosmetics because the other thing they can sell
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is like oh when you back at this level you're
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gonna have 200 deck tokens so you could open 200
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decks and that's just like but they're you know they're
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i don't know that doesn't feel like I don't know
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if that's what you sell during a thing.
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Yeah, deck tokens, skins for the backgrounds, images, being able to...
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I mean, you can picture... I mean, I guess.
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And this is all conjecture, a thousand percent conjecture, but
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if we can look at chain, you could have some
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way to be able to document your individual record, what
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you're doing, potentially for accolades for decks that have ascended
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through tournaments or online play in leagues.
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You can... potentially add those components.
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But all of that is, again, taking money and resources
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to be able to create. I don't know how long
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that would require to be able to do. But, Drez,
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you were trying to say something in regards to a
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little bit more knowledge.
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Well, I'm in the software field, right? So I have
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a sense of how much software costs to make. And
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it's not super cheap, but a lot of cost... differential
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comes from how where on the scale of your you
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created this in your free time and hack something together
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and and uh created a server called drazscore.com right that
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all the way up to this is a yeah yeah
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where claude does most of the work Claude does 100%
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of the work. Literally, I've never written a line of
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code for draft score myself. But that to not make
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it be like a total mess, you have to actually
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build software and know what you're doing. Anywho, that's not
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what we're talking about today. So a lot of the
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cost comes from how do you make this all the
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way up to like top tier enterprise grade, right? So
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the same software product with, you know, five nines of
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resiliency and, you know, never, you know, super hardened, no
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data loss, total, like all the ilities, like highly performant,
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all these things, like anywhere in the world, distributed, right?
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Like all that stuff, all that stuff is engineering and
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costs money, both to build and upkeep.
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Ongoing.
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So the scale can be quite large, right? And then
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it's like, okay, you're just kind of the developers do
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the graphics. If it were me, you probably don't want that. Um,
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cause I'm not an expert in graphics. So even when
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I asked Claude to do stuff, it kind of doesn't
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look good. Cause you have to know what you're doing
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to make it look good. Um, all the way up
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to the, you know, higher artists and, and do it
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for real. So like there's, you, you could spend a
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ton of money or you could try to do this
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on the cheap. So they've already answered somewhere that they
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will not be using AI for any of the generation
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of this product.
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Well, I think that's a mistake.
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I think they should start code.
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Nobody cares about the code, right? Like I think they
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just said, all right, I don't see anything about that.
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So that's probably wiser. I'm going to stop supporting things
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that are like, no AI will be used in this.
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I want all the AI.
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Oh, yeah.
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Right. Like I want, I want.
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Some happy medium.
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I want my third place.
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Like that other meme where they're like, where's the AI
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that does my laundry and my dishes. I don't need AI.
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They'll do art. I'm with that.
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Yeah.
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Where is the.
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Affordable, good AI that's going to do my freaking yard work?
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No one would bitch about that AI. I would pay
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for that AI.
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We forgot to highlight the Patreon. Where is some of
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this Patreon stuff that Wookiee was putting out? Man, I
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totally lost it. I was going to highlight the quality. Yeah,
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it's great.
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AI makes.
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Yeah, where was it? There was there was a great one.
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There was one of the five key. Here we go.
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This this is sent to our patrons.
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Right.
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So the guys who are like, I love keys.
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So I love you. So I got to you that
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I'm going to push this out. So five key force
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facts you may not know.
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Patrons.
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Right.
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Number one, every deck is unique. Hmm.
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Yeah. Except for those well, guys.
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But we don't talk about that.
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Speaking of Woe Decks, just the other day I had
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a Master Vault claim on a Woe Deck. I was like, oh,
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somebody found a duplicate of one of mine.
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You have so much ADD in this podcast. Alright, anyways.
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Number two. Three factions, one deck. Yeah.
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Number three, no deck building. Number four, global community. Number five,
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build to last.
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That's right. So what's the problem? It blows your mind.
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I don't see the problem. Anywho, no lies were told there.
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Not one.
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Did it add depth to our Keyforged community?
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Nobody's here for depth. Everything's paper thin. Come on. Let's
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be honest.
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So.
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Higher expectations, Wookie.
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You get two beers and we all fall apart like
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a house of cards. Maybe not Draskor because he doesn't
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drink beer. Maybe three beers. Two Shirley Temples in, Draskor's
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bubbling like a baby.
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Alright, to refocus you guys, we've gone ahead and looked
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at what we know so far, some initial questions.
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Are there other questions that you would like to be
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able to answer? Because there's a lot that.
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There's so many! Am I going to be able to.
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Which is why I'm going to try and refocus you.
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Am I going to be able to print out the...
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Am I going to be able to print out the
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digital decks.
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To be able to play? The indication is likely.
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But that's not like that's not like here's how this
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works and this is how it goes.
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But it would be outrageous miss if you couldn't. I
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don't think that's why. How because I actually it's just
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money about it's just filter money to a thing you
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already do and provide here.
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What is the problem? OK, so Draskor, here's your choice.
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You can either buy a box from your store. Yep. Right.
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For $ 180 or less because you get a discount. Or
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you can buy 12 of my digital decks for $ 2
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or $ 3 a piece.
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I don't know if that's going to be true. So
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I'm GG. I make the same amount. That was my
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next question.
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Shush, shush.
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Okay.
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Shush.
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All right. What are you going to do?
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You're going to buy cheap digital decks. And I agree.
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You can make it where GG makes a similar amount.
494
00:27:20.710 --> 00:27:20.910
Right?
495
00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:25.509
If they set the price basically at their digital market
496
00:27:25.650 --> 00:27:30.599
plus whatever GG makes for a deck, right? Minus printing stuff. Okay.
497
00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:37.720
But now you have eliminated any need to have these
498
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:39.880
real decks because stores are not going to carry this
499
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:40.660
game at all.
500
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:42.289
Well, we already knew that.
501
00:27:44.210 --> 00:27:45.369
But this is something they.
502
00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:45.710
Claim Riku.
503
00:27:49.579 --> 00:27:53.230
Yellow King is claiming is that they have already considered
504
00:27:53.269 --> 00:27:58.769
this and keeping the physical game focused as part of
505
00:27:58.849 --> 00:28:04.190
it is critical to this. So they supposedly don't want to... Yeah, where's.
506
00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:07.000
The section of this talk where I go, I don't
507
00:28:07.059 --> 00:28:09.819
believe that shit for a second. Oh, but it is
508
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:10.640
so important.
509
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:15.460
Until they actually release real information... All we can do
510
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.160
is speculate and talk. Sure.
511
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.410
This is true because I think in my weird twisted
512
00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:26.109
tinfoil armadillo hat mind, right? This is a way for
513
00:28:26.150 --> 00:28:31.660
them to get out of physical paper. They don't want
514
00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:32.519
to do that.
515
00:28:32.859 --> 00:28:36.490
Half of his company is making the money off the
516
00:28:36.529 --> 00:28:41.759
physical printer. Ghost Galaxy pays Artiforge. But now, Artiforge is
517
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:47.319
able to go do more? Echoes of Omens is coming out.
518
00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:48.440
Echoes of Omens is not coming out.
519
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.289
Well, we don't know when Echoes is coming out. If
520
00:28:51.369 --> 00:28:52.690
I can get one thing.
521
00:28:52.549 --> 00:28:53.029
Off the printer.
522
00:29:02.789 --> 00:29:06.049
Right? Come on, Jeremy. More time to other games.
523
00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:10.640
We don't have any idea what kind of capacity the
524
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:11.140
printers have.
525
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:11.960
This is true.
526
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:15.420
And the short answer is that Keyforge right now is
527
00:29:15.869 --> 00:29:17.609
a money generator for the company.
528
00:29:17.650 --> 00:29:20.450
It allows them to be able to do other things. So...
529
00:29:21.230 --> 00:29:22.539
our numbers are decreasing.
530
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.240
You can see that last game campaign. I don't know
531
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:25.700
how much of.
532
00:29:25.700 --> 00:29:29.380
It is decreasing anymore, but it has, it has not
533
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.660
turned them into, we're not doing this at all.
534
00:29:31.819 --> 00:29:34.730
And so it's still digital only. I wouldn't even play
535
00:29:34.750 --> 00:29:39.440
this game anymore. I would not care about Keyforged at all.
536
00:29:39.619 --> 00:29:44.019
I don't play other digital card games because that's not
537
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.119
what I want to do. I play some digital Keyforged
538
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.119
so I can keep in contact with people I can't
539
00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:53.500
see regularly, but if I didn't get to see these
540
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:57.009
people sometime, I wouldn't even care about that. I don't
541
00:29:58.470 --> 00:29:59.130
Don't care. But I.
542
00:30:00.990 --> 00:30:03.710
Think this is where the idea of tied in with
543
00:30:03.829 --> 00:30:08.769
local support and with physical is so important. And I
544
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.420
will say, while I would have some concern with maybe
545
00:30:12.460 --> 00:30:18.819
a third party, seeing that Riku's investment for the Vietnamese community,
546
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:24.750
seeing DeadSync's investment with Tracker, KeyChain, like the KeyChain and
547
00:30:24.769 --> 00:30:25.369
all that's happened already.
548
00:30:25.390 --> 00:30:27.309
DeadSync's not one of the enemies. What are you talking about?
549
00:30:28.009 --> 00:30:31.130
No, no, that's what I... It is not working at
550
00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:35.720
the enemy. What I'm saying is they actually....
551
00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:37.309
They bring in.
552
00:30:38.990 --> 00:30:42.900
An importance of community and trying to build each of
553
00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:46.480
those communities. And that is what gives me more confidence
554
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.059
that they will try to take something that they're making
555
00:30:49.180 --> 00:30:52.400
digital and it will have some connection back to the
556
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.619
physical so we can still play. If this was just
557
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.640
someone that I didn't know... I would have a real
558
00:30:57.700 --> 00:30:59.940
concern that they're trying to just push digital and we're
559
00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:02.539
not going to see that physical store, which means, again,
560
00:31:02.619 --> 00:31:05.660
more stores drop out. There's less incentive to be able
561
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:07.660
to back. Well, number one, we have issues. We have
562
00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:11.910
to prove we have to prove the theory of digital.
563
00:31:12.250 --> 00:31:18.789
Right. So it's not coming out for another, what, two years, 28.
564
00:31:18.789 --> 00:31:21.309
So they got to prove that theory. But I think
565
00:31:21.910 --> 00:31:25.000
I think once that theory is proven, I can't see
566
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:29.410
a CTP going. Yeah. We got other things in the pipeline.
567
00:31:30.690 --> 00:31:33.970
He's done it before. This is his MO. This is
568
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.880
what he does. He finds ways to cut costs, turn
569
00:31:37.940 --> 00:31:41.079
certain things. Now, in a couple years, if Keyforge is
570
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:44.559
still their main moneymaker, then maybe not.
571
00:31:46.700 --> 00:31:48.940
Well, your question that was asked was, what's the cost?
572
00:31:49.059 --> 00:31:51.079
So we have no idea on what a cost of
573
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.380
a digital deck is versus a physical deck.
574
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.140
And I don't see the cost being much different. Well,
575
00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.009
and that's a big question.
576
00:31:58.029 --> 00:32:04.210
I can't see it having the same. Hardly any success
577
00:32:05.089 --> 00:32:09.130
beyond already established Key Forge players. If you're like, oh,
578
00:32:09.170 --> 00:32:11.289
I'm going to play this game. And, you know, even
579
00:32:11.329 --> 00:32:13.630
if you get a free deck when you create your account.
580
00:32:13.990 --> 00:32:14.269
Right.
581
00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:18.009
And then you go and you're like, OK, so I
582
00:32:18.029 --> 00:32:20.150
created my free deck. All right. Oh, this deck isn't
583
00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:21.390
very good. And then you're like, oh, I want to
584
00:32:21.450 --> 00:32:25.940
play a different deck. $ 10 for a digital deck. It
585
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:31.440
never happened. Because that cost includes the paper, the cards,
586
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:34.000
the shipping, and you're not actually paying for... None of
587
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:34.900
that actually exists.
588
00:32:35.619 --> 00:32:35.869
Right?
589
00:32:38.609 --> 00:32:40.910
This is where I'm like, they'll have to be cheaper
590
00:32:40.930 --> 00:32:43.650
because you're only paying for a digital product. I don't
591
00:32:43.690 --> 00:32:47.309
know how much cheaper, but that just means... That means
592
00:32:47.349 --> 00:32:52.380
from the point of cracking, it ends up being cheaper
593
00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:54.420
to crack online, which.
594
00:32:56.059 --> 00:32:59.329
Is is a issue with trying to keep it in
595
00:32:59.369 --> 00:33:01.410
game stores but i kind of agree with you i
596
00:33:01.589 --> 00:33:04.630
don't know how much that actually matters to them because
597
00:33:04.789 --> 00:33:07.509
they're not doing a very good job right now supporting
598
00:33:07.549 --> 00:33:10.150
game stores anyways so.
599
00:33:09.950 --> 00:33:13.930
Whatever happened to that summer or fall event whatever.
600
00:33:13.670 --> 00:33:17.900
Discovery event and yeah anything.
601
00:33:17.500 --> 00:33:20.200
It's all the same shit right where's our where's our
602
00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:26.049
summer event Where is... Remember that discovery event where we
603
00:33:26.069 --> 00:33:28.130
were going to have cool keys to get new people
604
00:33:28.170 --> 00:33:30.420
into the game? We were going to have a whole
605
00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:35.339
thing of those? You guys remember that? You're talking about that.
606
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.900
We still haven't gotten a write-up for any of the vaults,
607
00:33:38.019 --> 00:33:42.380
minus Riku, who literally did it right after the Vietnam vault.
608
00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:44.680
I was getting there, but you kind of came in
609
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.099
and stole my thunder, but it's cool.
610
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:48.400
You guys are all on kick the same dead horse
611
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:49.000
train today.
612
00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:52.140
Thank you. I'm sorry, Sheep. At this point, you have
613
00:33:52.180 --> 00:33:54.079
to kick the same dead horse, because if you don't
614
00:33:54.099 --> 00:33:54.400
kick the same.
615
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:54.759
No, you don't.
616
00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:56.180
Everybody already knows it.
617
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:56.839
It's kicked.
618
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.539
Everybody already knows, but nothing happens if you don't kick
619
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:01.460
the fucking horse.
620
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.420
Nothing happens when you do kick the horse. It makes
621
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:06.259
me feel better.
622
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.250
Well, it doesn't make me feel better.
623
00:34:09.690 --> 00:34:15.469
Here's my concern, boys. My concern is not with our
624
00:34:15.489 --> 00:34:18.889
community members. I actually have a lot of success and
625
00:34:19.269 --> 00:34:22.349
belief in our key footage community members who continue to
626
00:34:22.389 --> 00:34:25.690
go above and beyond, from podcasts to content creators to
627
00:34:25.750 --> 00:34:29.800
literally the individuals here who have such an impact for
628
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.739
the digital version that's coming out. My concern comes more
629
00:34:34.900 --> 00:34:38.860
on the GG side in what I'm seeing for the
630
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:43.110
product that's there. So one of the concerns I actually
631
00:34:43.170 --> 00:34:46.969
have is that timeframe of 2028, just based on the
632
00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:50.170
impact of PV and where the game is right now.
633
00:34:51.469 --> 00:34:56.309
And I will say that against them, but I can't
634
00:34:56.409 --> 00:34:59.380
say that our game is in the best state of
635
00:34:59.769 --> 00:35:02.329
that everyone's super excited, and that we have more people
636
00:35:02.389 --> 00:35:06.849
coming in than leaving, and at what rate. So the
637
00:35:06.869 --> 00:35:09.500
timeframe is a bit of a concern, but what I
638
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.519
am excited about is the people who are having their
639
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:16.219
hands in it, who are willing to take and make
640
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:20.969
this that next step. That's Yellow King. I think that's
641
00:35:21.010 --> 00:35:24.550
very exciting. There are some concerns, though. I do think
642
00:35:24.690 --> 00:35:28.469
with U-Sheep that the cost has to be less than
643
00:35:28.510 --> 00:35:32.039
the deck. I think that it probably has to be
644
00:35:32.059 --> 00:35:34.460
in the realm that it is at least less than
645
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:40.179
half of it. I believe that they'll be able to
646
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:46.119
tie it back in. Hopefully, hey, bring this digital deck.
647
00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:49.780
Have some border or some treatment that you can print
648
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.280
out and be able to take in, or Have an
649
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:57.329
online tournament that you have here. Return to your store
650
00:35:57.369 --> 00:36:00.289
for some... I mean, there were some great ideas that
651
00:36:00.309 --> 00:36:03.670
were posted on Discord from other individuals, not myself.
652
00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:07.469
I will not take credit for that. But that is
653
00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:08.829
part of what they have.
654
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.340
To think about. I'll take credit for it.
655
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.800
What's incentivizing people to support this amazing endeavor outside of, hey,
656
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:16.989
we got some great people doing it.
657
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:18.139
And then.
658
00:36:20.070 --> 00:36:22.460
How is this going to be able to tie in
659
00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:23.980
with our local scene?
660
00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:26.460
Really, honestly, the first thing we need to know is
661
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:34.159
GG's involvement. How entrenched are they in this? Right? Because
662
00:36:34.389 --> 00:36:35.949
the game found is.
663
00:36:36.110 --> 00:36:37.869
Oversight and veto rights, I think.
664
00:36:38.329 --> 00:36:45.829
Right. Probably. Right. Oversight and veto rights. How does this
665
00:36:45.849 --> 00:36:49.960
connect back to the greater key... So who's issuing the decks?
666
00:36:50.019 --> 00:36:52.539
Is it GG issuing the decks? Or is it Yellow
667
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.900
King issuing the decks?
668
00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:58.530
It's just like it is now. They get a deck code.
669
00:36:58.550 --> 00:37:00.429
They get a list of deck codes from GG, and
670
00:37:00.449 --> 00:37:01.389
then they give it to you.
671
00:37:03.190 --> 00:37:05.250
Yeah, I mean, Yellow King, make sure you got in
672
00:37:05.269 --> 00:37:10.550
that contract that if they stop producing, you get the
673
00:37:10.650 --> 00:37:12.469
algorithm so you can generate decks.
674
00:37:13.369 --> 00:37:14.309
That should be in the contract.
675
00:37:18.389 --> 00:37:25.429
Yeah, I like generating decks isn't really an issue. Actually,
676
00:37:25.530 --> 00:37:29.349
my thought is what happens is, so they generate the
677
00:37:29.389 --> 00:37:34.659
decks and then the AFO then has to use the
678
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:37.639
API to ping the master vault to get the deck
679
00:37:37.699 --> 00:37:40.880
list right after it has the code and sends it back.
680
00:37:41.780 --> 00:37:43.559
That's just how often the master vault is going to
681
00:37:43.579 --> 00:37:50.230
be down. decks don't load and crap and yelking they're
682
00:37:50.269 --> 00:37:52.710
just going to be like sorry we understand that you
683
00:37:52.750 --> 00:37:55.130
can't use these decks you just paid for it's not
684
00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:59.280
our fault really really really maybe GG will fix this
685
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.320
in 4-6 months we'll get back to you in 4-6
686
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:02.260
months do you think.
687
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.300
They're actually going to fix the decks with the missing
688
00:38:04.340 --> 00:38:07.920
cards I literally just opened one and posted it on
689
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.869
posted it on our forums so that deck I posted
690
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.230
with that bogus legacy, uh, that card is missing in
691
00:38:17.250 --> 00:38:18.030
the master vault.
692
00:38:18.650 --> 00:38:18.769
Yeah.
693
00:38:18.789 --> 00:38:19.989
So what was.
694
00:38:19.869 --> 00:38:24.130
The response dress that it pinged back from a master
695
00:38:24.150 --> 00:38:25.690
vault when you tried to put it in?
696
00:38:26.309 --> 00:38:27.670
It just comes up. Yeah.
697
00:38:27.730 --> 00:38:30.429
It's just missing a card.
698
00:38:30.929 --> 00:38:33.820
Oh, cause I actually had a deck scan. It was
699
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:34.920
the weirdest thing.
700
00:38:34.940 --> 00:38:38.980
And it said unable to scan any, put it literally,
701
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.079
it was just a cleanly ripped deck.
702
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.320
And I'm like, I've never seen that error.
703
00:38:44.110 --> 00:38:45.250
Was it a spicy name?
704
00:38:46.050 --> 00:38:46.789
No, not at all.
705
00:38:47.659 --> 00:38:48.489
Wasn't Breastula?
706
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.559
No. I'll have to go ahead and put it off.
707
00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:53.719
To the side. Is your name Breastula?
708
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:55.519
It didn't really matter to me, but I put it
709
00:38:55.539 --> 00:38:56.840
to the side and I'm like, what the?
710
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.800
There we go. I'll screenshot this for you guys. Let's see.
711
00:39:01.820 --> 00:39:04.269
Is it a missing card or what? It's just gone.
712
00:39:04.750 --> 00:39:10.269
No, it's just literally... Throw it in there for you.
713
00:39:10.550 --> 00:39:14.389
If you listen to us live Thursdays at whatever time
714
00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:14.670
this is.
715
00:39:15.869 --> 00:39:16.889
If we do it at this time.
716
00:39:17.829 --> 00:39:24.219
Yeah, sometimes. It's not there. It's on the card. So
717
00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:26.929
that deck allows you to add any Mars card from
718
00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:27.869
any set, right?
719
00:39:28.949 --> 00:39:29.110
Yeah.
720
00:39:29.190 --> 00:39:29.690
I think so.
721
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.840
So i yeah so so if you guys are wondering
722
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.500
i have in i have a deck the the one
723
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.019
of a kind queen of kate polu uh and this
724
00:39:41.179 --> 00:39:45.500
deck is a draconian measures deck and in this deck
725
00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:49.420
there's a card, which actually it's a Mars card. So,
726
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.960
of course, now I don't remember the name of it.
727
00:39:50.980 --> 00:39:53.019
So hold on. Let me pull up the image real quick.
728
00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:56.980
It's probably got enough words in it to choke a horse.
729
00:39:57.019 --> 00:40:01.349
Am I right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where is it?
730
00:40:01.389 --> 00:40:01.750
Here it is.
731
00:40:01.809 --> 00:40:01.949
Okay.
732
00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:02.449
It has.
733
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:13.440
A legacy card, T.T. Yerkson Delive, which you're probably like,
734
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.840
what the heck is that? This is from the, yeah,
735
00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:22.619
I know. This is a three power Martian creature, scientist, elusive.
736
00:40:22.780 --> 00:40:24.239
At the end of your turn, you may put a
737
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:29.179
creature from play face down under Trixin Delive. After reap
738
00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:32.409
for each card under Trixin Delive, you may make a
739
00:40:32.510 --> 00:40:35.769
token creature or make a token creature. And so this
740
00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:40.300
is from the Martian Civil War special event. And I
741
00:40:40.550 --> 00:40:44.239
got it in a draconian measures deck. So it does
742
00:40:44.300 --> 00:40:44.699
not appear.
743
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.239
Yeah, doesn't this have something to do with that? They
744
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:53.900
didn't art asset those to show up with. I think
745
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:55.280
it has something to do with that. They're just not
746
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.800
asseted right in the background because they're weird legacies.
747
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:00.280
You said maybe.
748
00:41:01.420 --> 00:41:05.199
So you can't get, unfortunately, you cannot get a dress
749
00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:07.099
score on this car on this deck.
750
00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:12.550
This is a card. Yeah. Yeah.
751
00:41:12.619 --> 00:41:16.329
So I will look at it. It's not the master
752
00:41:16.369 --> 00:41:17.090
ball back end.
753
00:41:18.409 --> 00:41:19.480
Everything is, doesn't it?
754
00:41:20.610 --> 00:41:23.989
I would assume so. It's just interesting because I wonder, like,
755
00:41:24.010 --> 00:41:26.909
there are things that we don't obviously know. So, you know,
756
00:41:26.949 --> 00:41:30.820
they print whatever, 100,000 decks now for a set. And
757
00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:37.780
if this has significantly more sales, do they just run 100,000
758
00:41:37.780 --> 00:41:40.389
decks without a print and that's what they're going to have?
759
00:41:42.389 --> 00:41:43.150
They could.
760
00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:45.329
They could run as many for each as they want.
761
00:41:45.389 --> 00:41:48.510
They could run them later. They could do it on demand.
762
00:41:49.289 --> 00:41:57.820
There are things that concern me about more independent potential
763
00:41:58.019 --> 00:42:02.230
access to the backend of key forge. Cause if you
764
00:42:02.289 --> 00:42:08.849
could find the decks before they were scanned shenanigans. Yeah.
765
00:42:10.570 --> 00:42:11.449
And that's interesting.
766
00:42:11.510 --> 00:42:13.610
Cause you just said that one of the, one of
767
00:42:13.630 --> 00:42:15.710
the questions that I had, and I think this is
768
00:42:15.750 --> 00:42:20.989
relevant is what is the impact for tracking of games
769
00:42:21.389 --> 00:42:26.030
on key forge online, who will have access to that,
770
00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:28.469
who will not have access to that. And I think
771
00:42:28.510 --> 00:42:33.050
that's a, like, For super transparency, that's really important that
772
00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:39.010
your independent access to Keyforge, as you said, Sheep, was there.
773
00:42:39.090 --> 00:42:41.210
Gigi always was the one who was in charge of
774
00:42:41.269 --> 00:42:44.010
that and not necessarily others. And I can state it
775
00:42:44.090 --> 00:42:47.590
as we had, TCO has been really good about what
776
00:42:47.710 --> 00:42:52.059
they've had. I will say KIPP ran into some issues
777
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.019
with open licensing and kind of user agreements and.
778
00:42:58.940 --> 00:43:00.400
Open information for EU.
779
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.039
Um, so I think that that is a question that
780
00:43:03.099 --> 00:43:05.070
I have as well as like, I mean, that's how
781
00:43:05.110 --> 00:43:06.969
are the games going to.
782
00:43:06.449 --> 00:43:09.550
Be legal product. They've got to figure it out. They
783
00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:12.489
got to deal with all that, like their own user
784
00:43:12.570 --> 00:43:15.730
license and put that stuff up there. And yeah, I
785
00:43:15.769 --> 00:43:16.550
don't know what it'll say.
786
00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:21.059
It is important, but I'm saying we have like, well,
787
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.840
three human dead sink are two individuals who are well-connected
788
00:43:25.059 --> 00:43:28.380
in our key forge community and, But does that mean
789
00:43:28.409 --> 00:43:29.159
that they will no longer.
790
00:43:29.059 --> 00:43:29.280
Be able to.
791
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.219
But what do we really know about that Riku and DeadSync?
792
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.980
No, but what I'm saying is, will that eliminate them
793
00:43:36.019 --> 00:43:39.559
from being able to participate because they now have access
794
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:40.440
to additional information?
795
00:43:40.460 --> 00:43:45.199
Well, DeadSync is already a part of that inner circle.
796
00:43:45.380 --> 00:43:48.510
I understand what's there, but... He is eliminated. My assumption
797
00:43:48.570 --> 00:43:53.570
is yes. I mean, Riku is like... Man, does he just... He's...
798
00:43:54.139 --> 00:43:56.440
damn near there, except they didn't give him the fucking
799
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.519
polo yet, right? He runs all the shit in Vietnam.
800
00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:02.239
He is the distribution in Vietnam.
801
00:44:02.260 --> 00:44:05.199
But he plays. I mean, there's a big difference.
802
00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:08.309
I mean, yeah, he plays, but I mean... And wins.
803
00:44:09.030 --> 00:44:10.349
Well, but at the same time.
804
00:44:10.389 --> 00:44:13.329
Quite suspicious, would you say? Yeah.
805
00:44:14.010 --> 00:44:18.429
All I'm saying is, I think this is just Riku's
806
00:44:18.469 --> 00:44:20.849
scam to get decks even cheaper than he was.
807
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:22.119
Oh, Jesus.
808
00:44:22.179 --> 00:44:24.360
That's all this is. This is just a big, a big,
809
00:44:24.380 --> 00:44:26.940
I mean, like, he'll end up with just like the
810
00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:30.400
Vietnamese decks that he sold to people at better than
811
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.300
GG prices. You know, like, you know, this is just
812
00:44:34.389 --> 00:44:37.550
the next level of that scam. He's just even cheaper decks.
813
00:44:37.630 --> 00:44:40.190
It's a weird Key Forge pyramid scheme. What?
814
00:44:40.610 --> 00:44:41.510
Yeah. Yeah.
815
00:44:41.590 --> 00:44:42.590
Well, I will.
816
00:44:42.789 --> 00:44:43.570
I will tell you, sheep.
817
00:44:43.690 --> 00:44:46.889
One of your concerns is that when you open a
818
00:44:47.050 --> 00:44:50.269
Key Forge deck and it is poopoo. uh, that you
819
00:44:50.309 --> 00:44:53.300
just leave behind for others to, uh, take home or
820
00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:56.690
try to, uh, put in their bags or frankly, you're not.
821
00:44:56.530 --> 00:44:58.409
Going to be able to delete digital backs.
822
00:45:01.150 --> 00:45:01.809
But here's the thing.
823
00:45:01.869 --> 00:45:03.949
You don't even have to worry about that anymore because
824
00:45:04.190 --> 00:45:05.690
it's just poof.
825
00:45:05.849 --> 00:45:09.929
I'm a hundred percent. Like if I physically playing that
826
00:45:09.969 --> 00:45:13.570
deck in an event, I'm with open and digital. So
827
00:45:13.610 --> 00:45:14.869
I don't have to keep the physical.
828
00:45:15.269 --> 00:45:18.949
And this is going to be thrilled, right? By all
829
00:45:18.989 --> 00:45:21.280
the key forge and have none of the space taken
830
00:45:21.340 --> 00:45:21.769
up by it.
831
00:45:21.909 --> 00:45:24.159
Oh, Is it so that it would just be like
832
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.099
$ 25 to print one of these digital decks? Because, again,
833
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.400
like I say, if they're quite a bit cheaper, I
834
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.719
expect them to be... And then there's the same cost
835
00:45:33.739 --> 00:45:37.010
to print. Why would you buy physical decks outside of
836
00:45:37.050 --> 00:45:43.969
your playing with them in a sealed event? Unless you're
837
00:45:43.989 --> 00:45:47.210
a kitchen table player and that's how you play. There
838
00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:49.489
are other reasons to have physical decks, for sure, but...
839
00:45:50.070 --> 00:45:54.570
Just from the semi-competitive, like to not be able to
840
00:45:54.750 --> 00:45:57.960
open and then not have to actually own the physical cards.
841
00:45:58.019 --> 00:45:59.940
I'm like, I'm in in that regard.
842
00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:01.900
Right. I'm all in.
843
00:46:01.940 --> 00:46:07.869
How much nicer are my Wednesday, Friday, Saturday events we had?
844
00:46:08.630 --> 00:46:12.030
Oh, shit. You would have to set nobody deck codes.
845
00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:13.269
Everybody just does it on their own.
846
00:46:14.750 --> 00:46:18.190
Yeah, even X-Ray could deal with putting his own deck.
847
00:46:18.510 --> 00:46:20.550
X-Ray won't be able to figure this one out. Somebody
848
00:46:20.570 --> 00:46:22.710
will need to hold his hand and walk him through it.
849
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:26.619
Yeah, Riku, you might want to make X-Ray a playtester,
850
00:46:26.659 --> 00:46:28.579
because if he can use it, then.
851
00:46:28.659 --> 00:46:33.380
If X-Ray can figure it out, anyone can figure it out. Yeah, yeah.
852
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:37.659
Just to let you know, X-Ray's preferred choice of social
853
00:46:37.699 --> 00:46:38.909
media is still MySpace.
854
00:46:39.690 --> 00:46:39.829
So.
855
00:46:42.489 --> 00:46:46.559
No, he doesn't even know what MySpace is. He didn't
856
00:46:46.579 --> 00:46:48.460
have to learn about computers until college.
857
00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:52.969
No, no. When the hell did he go to college?
858
00:46:53.849 --> 00:46:54.650
He's a Facebooker.
859
00:46:55.550 --> 00:46:57.190
He's an old man.
860
00:46:58.110 --> 00:46:58.650
Yes.
861
00:46:58.929 --> 00:47:00.929
Like when I had to set you all aside and
862
00:47:00.969 --> 00:47:05.570
explain to you short form content. Yeah, like when you
863
00:47:05.610 --> 00:47:08.960
started to type thefacebook.com. And you guys are like, I
864
00:47:08.980 --> 00:47:11.219
don't understand what this is. Why is this a thing?
865
00:47:11.380 --> 00:47:14.619
And why are all the kids loving it? You have
866
00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:15.219
to have an EDU account.
867
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:16.840
That was not what the issue was.
868
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.869
The issue was that it actually doesn't show up when
869
00:47:19.909 --> 00:47:23.030
you search for it because you were creating content that
870
00:47:23.250 --> 00:47:23.670
couldn't be found.
871
00:47:23.690 --> 00:47:25.429
It's like you've got to click on the short form thing.
872
00:47:25.449 --> 00:47:27.530
We're like, why would we ever click on that garbage?
873
00:47:27.570 --> 00:47:31.420
Why are you clicking on that if I literally cannot
874
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.639
search for it That's a problem.
875
00:47:34.739 --> 00:47:35.920
That's what we were trying to tell you.
876
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.170
Yeah, because nobody's searching for Keyforge. So, like, it makes
877
00:47:42.349 --> 00:47:47.530
that not a thing. Because it's YouTube. And you guys went, oh, YouTube.
878
00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:51.469
And then, like, all the things. Whatever. I'll change it
879
00:47:51.510 --> 00:47:53.760
next time.
880
00:47:53.889 --> 00:47:54.179
I won't.
881
00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:55.059
Thank you.
882
00:47:55.420 --> 00:47:55.860
You're welcome.
883
00:47:56.179 --> 00:47:59.820
Well, lie to us. Yeah. We're too lazy to check you.
884
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:04.349
Yeah. Well, last time I just fucking... like I said,
885
00:48:04.369 --> 00:48:06.610
I even sent you all the links. I don't know
886
00:48:06.650 --> 00:48:12.369
how to make it any easier. Uh, okay.
887
00:48:12.389 --> 00:48:17.860
Any other questions or things that you're excited about?
888
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.420
I mean, like I, so I think what they definitely
889
00:48:21.460 --> 00:48:25.440
need is make sure that there was a really, really
890
00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:29.340
great way. One for a new player who's never played
891
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:34.929
the game before to, um, Yeah, the tutorial and easy
892
00:48:34.989 --> 00:48:39.329
get started thing to make sure they are wowed by
893
00:48:39.449 --> 00:48:44.130
cool special effects and cool sound effects for the first
894
00:48:44.170 --> 00:48:44.670
few games.
895
00:48:44.949 --> 00:48:45.230
Right.
896
00:48:45.590 --> 00:48:49.500
And like that'll really grab people like the in the
897
00:48:49.659 --> 00:48:50.320
YouTube video.
898
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.000
That whirlpool effect. That was cool.
899
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.860
Definitely do that stuff and then make sure you can
900
00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:58.280
go into the settings and turn it all off after
901
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.360
you've been wowed by it a few times. because hardcore
902
00:49:02.380 --> 00:49:06.469
players may not want that but i knew players definitely
903
00:49:06.510 --> 00:49:11.289
definitely want that like uh yeah i mean the big
904
00:49:11.309 --> 00:49:14.650
problem with tcl right is like and everything happens instantly
905
00:49:14.690 --> 00:49:17.469
in tcl so a new player great for experienced players
906
00:49:17.570 --> 00:49:19.949
right there should be a mode for that but for
907
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.320
new players, you're like, suddenly the board changes. You're like, wait,
908
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:25.920
what the hell just happened? And you try to read
909
00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:27.550
the log and it's confusing.
910
00:49:27.570 --> 00:49:30.090
Yeah, TCL is a horrible teaching tool.
911
00:49:30.150 --> 00:49:35.590
Does this become, like, the Magic Online versus Magic Arena?
912
00:49:35.710 --> 00:49:35.889
Like.
913
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.280
Real players play on TCO because of the quickness, the speed,
914
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.269
the ability to play whatever. And then, like, newer players
915
00:49:43.670 --> 00:49:44.949
go to KFO.
916
00:49:44.969 --> 00:49:47.849
I mean, I can see if it's too blatant in
917
00:49:48.230 --> 00:49:51.869
graphics and garbage that it would turn me off.
918
00:49:51.889 --> 00:49:53.030
You have to be able to disable it.
919
00:49:53.659 --> 00:49:59.619
Yeah, but then your opponent doesn't, and their turns take forever. Oh,
920
00:49:59.860 --> 00:50:01.440
let's just play Europeans. It'll be fine.
921
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.159
I guess that was actually the question.
922
00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:04.679
I don't know.
923
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:06.019
Or Ewok.
924
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:11.219
Because I didn't see the log, but there's actually a
925
00:50:11.300 --> 00:50:13.619
section in the video that calls out history that you
926
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.559
can go back and see what happened.
927
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:19.179
Yeah, that's all standard. It was standard.
928
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.179
I just didn't see it in the video, so that's
929
00:50:21.219 --> 00:50:22.050
why I went back to check.
930
00:50:22.210 --> 00:50:23.849
Arena has that too, I'm pretty sure.
931
00:50:23.869 --> 00:50:30.860
Really, when you look at it, the popular... The semi-popular
932
00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:32.719
video game programming tool.
933
00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:34.219
What's it called?
934
00:50:35.300 --> 00:50:36.860
That half the stuff's programmed in.
935
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.420
I can't think of it right now. Unreal Engine?
936
00:50:40.219 --> 00:50:41.010
Unity?
937
00:50:41.489 --> 00:50:41.820
Unity.
938
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:47.150
Unity already has 80% of being able to build a
939
00:50:47.170 --> 00:50:49.670
card game, I bet you, just like in standard stuff.
940
00:50:50.210 --> 00:50:55.650
Because there's been so many of them done. Yep. Now,
941
00:50:55.769 --> 00:50:57.710
I'm not... I don't know much more than that, but
942
00:50:57.730 --> 00:51:00.989
I know it's already got a lot of the underlying stuff.
943
00:51:01.090 --> 00:51:05.070
And the fact that TCO is just a rip-on some
944
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:09.900
other game's thing and then recoded to do things Keyforge
945
00:51:09.940 --> 00:51:14.639
has to do. It's not like they have to build
946
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:20.980
from the ground up completely. Keyforge is not doing that much.
947
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:24.400
Hard gamey stuff.
948
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:27.110
Yeah, but we're going to have 17 new mechanics in
949
00:51:27.139 --> 00:51:27.610
two years.
950
00:51:29.230 --> 00:51:30.250
Yeah, so they got to add.
951
00:51:30.510 --> 00:51:33.190
Sure, they'll have some coding work to do, just like TCO.
952
00:51:33.210 --> 00:51:36.250
I mean, there's going to be a reason that the
953
00:51:36.269 --> 00:51:39.150
decks aren't free, because they have to pay for.
954
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.300
No, I understand that. I mean, because to a certain degree,
955
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.400
number one, we got to figure out... Well, we don't
956
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.099
got to figure out shit. They got to figure out
957
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.860
all that stuff, because, I mean... In the history of
958
00:51:52.940 --> 00:51:56.659
most things, a lot of these online card games have
959
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.119
just failed miserably.
960
00:51:59.139 --> 00:52:02.519
Yeah, but that's because they've been online only.
961
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:03.260
Right.
962
00:52:03.579 --> 00:52:06.860
And I think that's why it's critical for them to
963
00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:12.599
get this reasonably correct in keeping actual Key Forge a thing.
964
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.800
I'm trying to think. I can't remember. I mean, Pokemon
965
00:52:18.860 --> 00:52:20.840
Online isn't played. I mean, I haven't played it in
966
00:52:20.860 --> 00:52:24.619
a while. Yu-Gi-Oh! Online is pretty much dead, as far
967
00:52:24.659 --> 00:52:27.880
as I understand. Arena is still a thing, but that's
968
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:29.760
because they do all sorts of wacky shit.
969
00:52:33.449 --> 00:52:34.590
Hearthstone, right?
970
00:52:34.610 --> 00:52:38.710
Hearthstone is still around, but I don't think it's anywhere
971
00:52:38.769 --> 00:52:39.909
near as big as it used to be.
972
00:52:39.929 --> 00:52:42.539
It's still pretty big.
973
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.780
It was Marvel Snap. That's the whole thing, right? Is
974
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.829
that even a card game? Who knows? But they do exist.
975
00:52:49.849 --> 00:52:52.630
This is the thing. Like, again, you're like, it's not huge.
976
00:52:52.710 --> 00:52:56.030
It's not 900 million players at the same time. That
977
00:52:56.130 --> 00:52:58.789
doesn't need to exist for it to be a successful platform.
978
00:52:59.849 --> 00:53:02.079
All it's got to do is make enough to pay
979
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.340
all the bills, which in theory is paying people's wages
980
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.420
as well. That's just part of the bills. And it's
981
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.300
doing fine. It doesn't have to make somebody... Damage sheep?
982
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.650
Does that mean we're all failures? Yes, we are.
983
00:53:15.530 --> 00:53:16.090
Well, yes.
984
00:53:17.969 --> 00:53:20.190
I mean, the show pays for itself. It just doesn't
985
00:53:20.230 --> 00:53:23.849
pay us all salary. Wages.
986
00:53:23.969 --> 00:53:30.130
I'm looking for DraftScore. I'm losing money on DraftScore. There
987
00:53:31.289 --> 00:53:35.230
you go. We need to bump up. You and I still.
988
00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:37.710
I think we've said this before.
989
00:53:37.750 --> 00:53:41.409
We've got to do Patreon, yada yada, so we can
990
00:53:41.429 --> 00:53:44.070
bump up some DraftScore. You need to get in on
991
00:53:44.110 --> 00:53:46.570
the ground and get DraftScore integrated in the back end
992
00:53:46.610 --> 00:53:47.260
of KFO.
993
00:53:47.989 --> 00:53:48.219
Yeah.
994
00:53:48.969 --> 00:53:53.670
You know. Open up a deck that automatically shows you
995
00:53:53.690 --> 00:53:56.989
your draft score. This deck is 13.
996
00:53:56.989 --> 00:53:59.070
I might actually have to integrate with a master vault then.
997
00:53:59.150 --> 00:54:02.269
I've tried that before and it like broke everything and
998
00:54:02.289 --> 00:54:03.909
I was like, no, and I had to go back
999
00:54:03.969 --> 00:54:05.829
and like fix some data. It was like really annoying.
1000
00:54:07.190 --> 00:54:10.809
And yeah, so I just piggyback on all the DOK APIs.
1001
00:54:11.750 --> 00:54:11.889
Yeah.
1002
00:54:13.190 --> 00:54:16.320
Because they're super easy to use and readable and.
1003
00:54:16.820 --> 00:54:19.550
Well, Nova's already over there posting, so she's already taken
1004
00:54:19.610 --> 00:54:20.150
all your thunder.
1005
00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:20.869
Right.
1006
00:54:21.150 --> 00:54:24.030
Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. A dollar short. Get in
1007
00:54:24.050 --> 00:54:28.550
on that. Whatever. Does Nova even play anymore, or just...
1008
00:54:29.130 --> 00:54:35.510
No idea. Maintain decks at Keyforge. And Sass.
1009
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:41.019
On occasion, I've seen Nova online, but it's definitely much
1010
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:42.579
more cash at this point.
1011
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:49.070
We're going to do our two-dunk cardins check. yep there
1012
00:54:49.090 --> 00:54:51.710
he is still playing himself in beginner there you go
1013
00:54:51.769 --> 00:54:53.489
savage yeah i mean like.
1014
00:54:53.570 --> 00:54:57.880
I i in some ways i think doing the game
1015
00:54:58.019 --> 00:55:01.599
found is not a bad plan right because saying like
1016
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.420
hey we need this much interest and this much money
1017
00:55:04.460 --> 00:55:06.460
to know this is worth us putting more time in
1018
00:55:06.980 --> 00:55:08.780
versus that putting in a bunch of time and then
1019
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.159
being like oh there really wasn't any money and like.
1020
00:55:11.059 --> 00:55:13.099
Yeah they don't make money back yeah like this is
1021
00:55:13.219 --> 00:55:14.739
this could be a full-time job for a.
1022
00:55:17.469 --> 00:55:19.469
Could be a part-time job. It's part-time.
1023
00:55:19.489 --> 00:55:24.630
I mean, how many of these little crummy mobile games
1024
00:55:24.730 --> 00:55:27.610
are full-time jobs for people? And they're trash when you
1025
00:55:27.650 --> 00:55:31.349
look at what they really are. Yeah. I mean, like,
1026
00:55:31.429 --> 00:55:34.389
as far as, like, actual effort put into them, it
1027
00:55:34.429 --> 00:55:34.969
feels like.
1028
00:55:35.050 --> 00:55:39.699
You don't talk bad about my street surfer. I don't
1029
00:55:40.179 --> 00:55:45.219
know if I know that one. Everybody knows street surf.
1030
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:45.900
I'm sure it sucks.
1031
00:55:47.860 --> 00:55:50.420
Now street surfer is like totally dead and hardly has
1032
00:55:50.539 --> 00:55:51.480
anybody at.
1033
00:55:51.460 --> 00:55:53.920
Least that's what I mean it's all over tiktok.
1034
00:55:54.550 --> 00:55:56.769
I don't know man I'm just making shit up like
1035
00:55:56.789 --> 00:56:02.909
you I do make things up that we do yeah
1036
00:56:05.130 --> 00:56:08.269
alright well it's been an hour boys it's been fun
1037
00:56:08.789 --> 00:56:12.329
I have a question you have a question what should
1038
00:56:12.369 --> 00:56:12.989
they set.
1039
00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:18.139
The goal to or what do you think they're going
1040
00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:19.909
to set the goal to and what what do i
1041
00:56:19.929 --> 00:56:22.869
stretch award should they generate okay.
1042
00:56:22.230 --> 00:56:27.150
So number one for the i'm gonna resort to what
1043
00:56:27.170 --> 00:56:32.030
would it cost to basically i guess break even on
1044
00:56:32.309 --> 00:56:35.730
on the ground to now or you know from from
1045
00:56:35.769 --> 00:56:37.230
here to go to.
1046
00:56:37.010 --> 00:56:42.139
I wonder how much of that preview stuff is real
1047
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.559
stuff and how much of it is just like let's
1048
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:51.059
make some pretty graphics and there's no actual thing going on. Hmm.
1049
00:56:51.940 --> 00:56:56.489
That's not, that's probably in general. But what, what would
1050
00:56:56.530 --> 00:57:01.010
it cost? Like just a ballpark figure, be a little conservative.
1051
00:57:01.030 --> 00:57:03.090
Well, I mean, like I said, depends on, depends on
1052
00:57:03.130 --> 00:57:05.250
how for serious you're going to, you're going to try
1053
00:57:05.269 --> 00:57:06.150
to do this thing, right?
1054
00:57:06.190 --> 00:57:07.369
You can try to do it on a cheap, you
1055
00:57:07.389 --> 00:57:11.099
try to do it halfway serious. I mean, not too cheap,
1056
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:12.039
not too expensive.
1057
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:17.550
Like just kind of, You should pay yourself as a
1058
00:57:18.090 --> 00:57:18.909
senior engineer.
1059
00:57:19.590 --> 00:57:25.389
Oh, and you should make, uh, you should make, you should.
1060
00:57:25.269 --> 00:57:28.170
Target making good money. And then if you're like really passionate,
1061
00:57:28.210 --> 00:57:30.789
you can back off of it. You should, you should
1062
00:57:30.809 --> 00:57:32.769
target paying yourself full time for a.
1063
00:57:32.769 --> 00:57:38.110
Year, $ 200, 000. Um, and right.
1064
00:57:38.170 --> 00:57:41.389
Well, but here's the thing you do have to take
1065
00:57:41.409 --> 00:57:44.829
into account. the country the work is being performed in.
1066
00:57:45.889 --> 00:57:46.130
Sure.
1067
00:57:46.369 --> 00:57:47.340
So you can back off. All right.
1068
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.780
So if it's in Vietnam, you can cut that back
1069
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:54.659
by a bit, right? And so it's, you know, like
1070
00:57:54.699 --> 00:57:59.519
a billion dong. So it's like 75 cents, right? And
1071
00:58:01.099 --> 00:58:02.969
that is a currency, by the way. Vietnamese dong, 100,000
1072
00:58:02.969 --> 00:58:04.889
dong is about 380 when we were there. $ 3.
1073
00:58:04.730 --> 00:58:04.929
80, not 380.
1074
00:58:04.900 --> 00:58:04.989
$ 3.
1075
00:58:04.900 --> 00:58:04.960
80.
1076
00:58:04.929 --> 00:58:05.769
Basically, 25K is a buck.
1077
00:58:13.219 --> 00:58:14.619
That was the easy way to figure it out.
1078
00:58:15.139 --> 00:58:20.400
Yeah, there's that. So the. So, yeah, if.
1079
00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:26.329
It was in the US, you'd pay yourself something like that. Remember,
1080
00:58:26.349 --> 00:58:28.050
if you're if you're full time, you pay your own
1081
00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:29.429
medical insurance and all that.
1082
00:58:29.489 --> 00:58:35.389
Right. And then there's if you're going to have more developers.
1083
00:58:35.530 --> 00:58:35.670
Right.
1084
00:58:35.690 --> 00:58:39.789
You got to pay them now part time, full time. Then,
1085
00:58:39.809 --> 00:58:43.510
so with Steam, I guess you're not hosting the software,
1086
00:58:43.550 --> 00:58:46.489
but you have to have your development platform.
1087
00:58:46.510 --> 00:58:49.860
You got to have all that. So I guess.
1088
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.019
You got to have a lot of hardware. You got
1089
00:58:52.059 --> 00:58:55.139
to have some hardware, right? Now maybe use your existing system.
1090
00:58:55.300 --> 00:58:59.460
Maybe you're okay using just free GitHub, right? If you
1091
00:58:59.500 --> 00:59:01.860
don't have a lot of contributors or whatever, but maybe
1092
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:02.920
you want to go more serious.
1093
00:59:05.019 --> 00:59:05.400
And then.
1094
00:59:06.650 --> 00:59:09.530
If it's Steam and it's all running on the user's hardware,
1095
00:59:09.550 --> 00:59:12.099
you don't have to actually deploy into the cloud or
1096
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.760
anything you actually save some money there steam's gonna take
1097
00:59:14.780 --> 00:59:16.679
a cut of some sort right.
1098
00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:18.960
This is the longest explanation just give me a dollar
1099
00:59:18.980 --> 00:59:24.929
amount 500 000 okay so that is that's like serious
1100
00:59:24.949 --> 00:59:26.269
like seriously 500 000 you could.
1101
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.940
Yeah, you know, maybe if it's in Vietnam, maybe maybe
1102
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.000
you can cut that back to 250, 200. I've seen.
1103
00:59:35.219 --> 00:59:43.630
Several Steam games. The independent stuff there. You know, one
1104
00:59:44.449 --> 00:59:50.170
one developer. A year of his not real work to do.
1105
00:59:51.650 --> 00:59:53.809
Yeah, and you could do like you do as a
1106
00:59:53.969 --> 00:59:55.329
part time job and you could do it for a
1107
00:59:55.349 --> 00:59:58.199
lot less, right? Just the supplemental income. but it'll take
1108
00:59:58.239 --> 00:59:58.739
a lot longer.
1109
01:00:00.340 --> 01:00:00.539
Right.
1110
01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:02.940
Well, all right. So we're going to need a lot
1111
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:06.599
more followers. Because I feel.
1112
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:15.599
Like there's a significant difference for this versus building a game,
1113
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.719
like building any other kind of video game. They are
1114
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:24.510
not actually creating any rules or having to worry about
1115
01:00:24.550 --> 01:00:30.389
game balance or anything like that. They're just having to
1116
01:00:30.690 --> 01:00:33.190
implement rules as already written.
1117
01:00:34.469 --> 01:00:36.329
Which can have its own difficulty.
1118
01:00:37.090 --> 01:00:38.570
Sure, absolutely.
1119
01:00:38.630 --> 01:00:42.590
Every good software engineer knows that 80% of the cost
1120
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:46.019
comes from some ridiculous business requirement that you're like, could
1121
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:47.539
you just change it ever so slightly?
1122
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.500
But instead, it's like super hard to implement because like, no,
1123
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.619
it needs to work this way. Right.
1124
01:00:52.900 --> 01:00:54.900
But I'm saying like, so there is like this whole
1125
01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:58.969
level of development in that regard, whereas... You know, this
1126
01:00:59.010 --> 01:01:01.829
is it's a little more like you're already just like
1127
01:01:01.949 --> 01:01:06.969
solving this problem and you're not having to do as
1128
01:01:07.030 --> 01:01:12.630
much creative development work. So, you know.
1129
01:01:12.750 --> 01:01:14.949
I don't know. There's definitely art assets you got to
1130
01:01:14.989 --> 01:01:15.630
pay for.
1131
01:01:15.650 --> 01:01:16.829
Right.
1132
01:01:17.309 --> 01:01:20.719
Well, it's already done, right? Well, the cards, but all
1133
01:01:20.739 --> 01:01:21.530
the other stuff, right?
1134
01:01:22.570 --> 01:01:24.789
That was that was also my guess that I put
1135
01:01:24.889 --> 01:01:27.469
on line the other day was 300 to 600 would
1136
01:01:27.489 --> 01:01:27.969
be the.
1137
01:01:28.269 --> 01:01:29.130
Number three to six.
1138
01:01:29.210 --> 01:01:31.530
I just put it I just put it in in
1139
01:01:32.070 --> 01:01:35.420
in dong seven point five to 15 million or billion
1140
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.099
seven and a half to 15 billion dong.
1141
01:01:40.019 --> 01:01:40.219
Yeah.
1142
01:01:40.820 --> 01:01:46.280
So I think that you are looking at between I'm
1143
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.840
going to go ahead and say the 300.
1144
01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:50.500
I think 300,000 is the appropriate amount. But here's the thing.
1145
01:01:50.889 --> 01:01:52.710
I think if this is a business venture, you have
1146
01:01:52.730 --> 01:01:57.099
to understand that you're going to potentially have to start
1147
01:01:57.139 --> 01:01:59.940
with a lower amount, especially with our recent game found.
1148
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.159
It's just not realistic with this community right now.
1149
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.139
So I think that it's going to be closer to
1150
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.739
what we saw kind of with game found for Key Forge.
1151
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:09.550
And here's 50 or 75,000. Don't do that.
1152
01:02:09.690 --> 01:02:10.889
No, no, no.
1153
01:02:11.170 --> 01:02:11.969
But here's the thing.
1154
01:02:15.019 --> 01:02:17.440
It's a business venture, so you're going to have to
1155
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:19.780
take out a loan for the difference to be able
1156
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:27.139
to get there. But that's the reality of the situation,
1157
01:02:27.179 --> 01:02:29.929
that if you believe in a company as an entrepreneur,
1158
01:02:30.210 --> 01:02:32.570
you're going to have to push for it. I can
1159
01:02:32.630 --> 01:02:36.710
tell you if you set for a half million dollars,
1160
01:02:36.889 --> 01:02:38.670
I don't think that we hit it. Mm-mm.
1161
01:02:39.010 --> 01:02:42.030
I don't, I mean, so I don't know how they, again,
1162
01:02:42.230 --> 01:02:45.309
I mean, I don't know how they structure this game
1163
01:02:45.389 --> 01:02:51.349
found to get the money out of people. Cause it's
1164
01:02:51.389 --> 01:02:54.630
like you roll in and you're like, you're, I mean like,
1165
01:02:55.170 --> 01:02:58.510
cause I, you know, it's like what you're getting a
1166
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.760
special edition version, right? Like that's what the game. Yeah.
1167
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:04.920
How do you get the $ 2, 000 pledges?
1168
01:03:05.219 --> 01:03:09.590
Or you get a little extra content, right? Like, that's
1169
01:03:09.610 --> 01:03:11.510
how video game stuff, you get some extra content, you
1170
01:03:11.530 --> 01:03:13.010
get an extra gear, you.
1171
01:03:13.650 --> 01:03:16.909
Well, I mean, at $ 1, 000 you get some music separately,
1172
01:03:16.969 --> 01:03:19.110
you get a picture book separately, they do some stuff
1173
01:03:19.150 --> 01:03:22.489
like that. At $ 1, 000 you get, you know, you get
1174
01:03:24.550 --> 01:03:27.489
a special deck, $ 2, 000 CTP will give you a handy.
1175
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:32.679
I mean, they could definitely put in custom name decks. Like,
1176
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:40.699
then they're... I mean, it's... I mean, like, but then they're, again, like,
1177
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:48.769
they can sell Keyforge stuff, but that's really selling GG stuff. Like,
1178
01:03:48.789 --> 01:03:51.829
how are they selling, how do they sell their platform?
1179
01:03:51.969 --> 01:03:55.170
I don't, and I'm not the person to make these decisions, because,
1180
01:03:55.369 --> 01:03:57.690
you know, obviously I have nothing to do with software,
1181
01:03:58.670 --> 01:04:00.659
and I'm a dummy, but I don't see it. Like,
1182
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:02.199
how do they get more than 50 bucks out of me?
1183
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:05.880
I don't know. Yeah, they have to come up with something, right? What's...
1184
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:07.320
What are the stretch goals?
1185
01:04:08.300 --> 01:04:09.929
I'm not a person who's going to pay a bunch
1186
01:04:09.949 --> 01:04:12.289
of money to have a special avatar. That's going to
1187
01:04:12.309 --> 01:04:14.170
be a big thing. It's like, oh, you can have
1188
01:04:14.210 --> 01:04:16.789
a custom avatar. Pay a bunch of money and.
1189
01:04:17.869 --> 01:04:22.250
I'm going to tell you what, just coming from someone
1190
01:04:22.289 --> 01:04:25.449
who's tried to get anything out of the Keyforge community,
1191
01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:30.610
the Keyforge community, if you're not getting Keyforge items, is
1192
01:04:30.710 --> 01:04:32.730
incredibly stingy.
1193
01:04:35.610 --> 01:04:39.349
I think that's as true as you do. I think
1194
01:04:39.449 --> 01:04:43.360
because this has got a fully official GG stamp on
1195
01:04:43.420 --> 01:04:47.820
its back that they will do fine. Luxury Playstyle did
1196
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:52.239
fine for a while when there were players.
1197
01:04:52.420 --> 01:04:55.239
I don't think their main shit was in GG though.
1198
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.199
But I don't think their main... They're still around. They
1199
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:04.400
didn't go anywhere. But their main products weren't keyforge products
1200
01:05:04.420 --> 01:05:05.880
there are magic products.
1201
01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:10.500
But i'm saying they sold a bunch of keyforge products.
1202
01:05:10.659 --> 01:05:12.699
I i don't know how i think they might have
1203
01:05:12.739 --> 01:05:15.079
given more away than they actually sold.
1204
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:21.349
No they didn't give that many away okay okay but anyways.
1205
01:05:22.530 --> 01:05:25.289
I i think i never got into it and my
1206
01:05:25.349 --> 01:05:30.449
problem with uh tokens will be covered on another episode so.
1207
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:35.099
I think there is, like, the number of people who
1208
01:05:35.179 --> 01:05:41.159
paid to have their art in this game. Yeah. I think...
1209
01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:44.460
You could then become a special avatar? Right, like, they
1210
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:47.920
can avatar or, you know, like, what? You get to
1211
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.420
create the avatar for the AI, like, top level, like,
1212
01:05:51.460 --> 01:05:54.260
so everybody has to see your goofy thing all the time.
1213
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:54.570
I just.
1214
01:05:55.070 --> 01:05:55.889
I don't know what it is.
1215
01:05:56.710 --> 01:06:00.230
You select the part that's Joan. I don't know.
1216
01:06:00.389 --> 01:06:04.500
Yeah. I'm not a person who has... ever bought into
1217
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:09.559
the microtransaction cosmetic world. Right. So I, and that's, that's
1218
01:06:09.579 --> 01:06:13.469
an interesting place with, I don't know. I don't know
1219
01:06:13.570 --> 01:06:18.469
if the dad market is a big microtransaction. It's community
1220
01:06:18.590 --> 01:06:20.829
or not. It's not for me. I know it's more
1221
01:06:20.849 --> 01:06:24.239
of my kids age stuff, right? Younger generation. They're better
1222
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:27.500
for spending that kind of money on dumb stuff. It's
1223
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.219
just not something that ever did it to me. And
1224
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.969
that is a common way to monetize, uh, digital stuff.
1225
01:06:34.969 --> 01:06:44.900
$ 2, 000, all your decks. Digital decks are foil for life.
1226
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:48.400
I guess you could do special cosmetic things.
1227
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:50.110
That sounds like it would annoy me and I'd have
1228
01:06:50.139 --> 01:06:50.809
to turn it off.
1229
01:06:51.969 --> 01:06:54.190
I probably would. But it'd be too late because you
1230
01:06:54.230 --> 01:06:57.269
would have already bought it. Yeah, you'd have to create
1231
01:06:57.289 --> 01:06:59.449
a new account. I broke my original account but I
1232
01:06:59.630 --> 01:07:00.849
paid for it to be shiny.
1233
01:07:02.579 --> 01:07:05.369
Chief Burner Account 2.
1234
01:07:05.369 --> 01:07:05.630
Yep.
1235
01:07:06.590 --> 01:07:08.090
Well, alright.
1236
01:07:08.429 --> 01:07:10.869
That's stuff people are already talking about, and that's a
1237
01:07:11.090 --> 01:07:14.590
big thing where TCO ends up having its thing is,
1238
01:07:15.429 --> 01:07:18.250
is this going to be strictly linked.
1239
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:19.280
To Master Vault?
1240
01:07:20.099 --> 01:07:23.539
Your Master Vault, which means you can only play your
1241
01:07:23.579 --> 01:07:29.639
decks and potentially your friends' decks. See how that goes. Oh.
1242
01:07:30.329 --> 01:07:31.130
Right?
1243
01:07:31.369 --> 01:07:38.269
But, like, you definitely, like, the whole way that ABR, well,
1244
01:07:38.309 --> 01:07:40.809
the whole way ABR goes is just a mess, right? Like,
1245
01:07:40.829 --> 01:07:45.349
you know, sharing decks all the time or testing other decks, like,
1246
01:07:46.130 --> 01:07:50.550
that might be the TCO niche, which, you know, which
1247
01:07:50.590 --> 01:07:55.599
means even less games getting played over there. But there's, like,
1248
01:07:55.639 --> 01:08:01.579
that whole kind of thing going on. It'd be interesting
1249
01:08:01.619 --> 01:08:03.760
to see how they go with all that.
1250
01:08:06.059 --> 01:08:06.260
Yeah.
1251
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:09.800
I mean, if the point is to sell decks and
1252
01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:14.900
promote real Key Forge play, then that's it. You play
1253
01:08:14.940 --> 01:08:15.579
your decks.
1254
01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:17.800
Yeah.
1255
01:08:17.979 --> 01:08:20.939
I mean, you know, when a certain number of matches
1256
01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:23.500
at your local and get a free digital deck, I.
1257
01:08:23.500 --> 01:08:26.420
Don't know, you know, theory they could do all that.
1258
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:27.359
Yeah.
1259
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:30.029
I mean, I saw man talk about like, They can
1260
01:08:30.069 --> 01:08:34.350
definitely tie this in, right? Like, you know, box toppers
1261
01:08:34.390 --> 01:08:36.550
and whatnot. Like, once you buy the physical box, like,
1262
01:08:36.569 --> 01:08:42.079
you can get a free digital, you know, KFO deck,
1263
01:08:42.380 --> 01:08:45.000
stuff like that. Like, there's definitely easy ways to tie
1264
01:08:45.100 --> 01:08:45.279
it in.
1265
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:47.420
Every deck you open is already a digital deck.
1266
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:50.279
Yeah. Right, but then now you get the 13th.
1267
01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:51.300
Both a physical and a digital.
1268
01:08:51.699 --> 01:08:54.289
It's like the 37th card. Now you get a 13th deck.
1269
01:08:55.890 --> 01:08:59.970
Sure. I mean, it is, in theory, like... much easier
1270
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.560
to sell a little computing power than the actual whole
1271
01:09:03.579 --> 01:09:04.359
printing process.
1272
01:09:04.899 --> 01:09:05.079
Right.
1273
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:09.149
So, each deck you now open is just a QR
1274
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:11.270
code that you scan in to your computer.
1275
01:09:11.289 --> 01:09:13.310
Yeah, I mean, that's how Pokemon worked, right? Like, you'd
1276
01:09:13.329 --> 01:09:15.430
get a QR code that then was just.
1277
01:09:15.310 --> 01:09:16.869
A digital pack. Yeah, you got a digital pack.
1278
01:09:16.909 --> 01:09:17.789
With the pack you opened.
1279
01:09:18.149 --> 01:09:18.390
Right. Right.
1280
01:09:19.670 --> 01:09:26.350
I don't know. It's interesting. My spidey senses are tingling
1281
01:09:26.369 --> 01:09:30.989
and I think shenanigans are afoot. Why do you say that?
1282
01:09:31.029 --> 01:09:32.539
I don't think there's shenanigans.
1283
01:09:32.859 --> 01:09:37.899
I don't think the people involved are the shenanigans. I
1284
01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:43.600
think this is a long-term goal by StrangeStars slash Gigi.
1285
01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:47.739
I think there's a long con by Gigi slash StrangeStars
1286
01:09:48.020 --> 01:09:50.319
I'm just going to call them strange stars now because
1287
01:09:50.380 --> 01:09:54.260
there's so, there's so many little ancillary companies that are
1288
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.960
just a part of the strange stars umbrella, right?
1289
01:09:57.100 --> 01:10:00.560
It's art. You gotta keep it. It's a game center.
1290
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:05.270
And then there's Fernando. Like he's his own little entity
1291
01:10:05.350 --> 01:10:05.930
over here.
1292
01:10:06.329 --> 01:10:06.590
Right.
1293
01:10:06.689 --> 01:10:10.050
And then there's like the software company. And then like
1294
01:10:10.090 --> 01:10:13.050
the printer is its actual own company. And then the,
1295
01:10:13.189 --> 01:10:15.229
the machine that makes them.
1296
01:10:15.529 --> 01:10:20.039
Extrudes the, The little plastic circles, that's its own company.
1297
01:10:20.779 --> 01:10:24.840
Jeremy is literally his own company, right? But he is
1298
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.560
separate from Jeremy, too, which is a part of this company. Yeah,
1299
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:29.180
other Jeremy.
1300
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:32.100
Is other Jeremy getting fired with how Oak is a
1301
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:32.819
moment going?
1302
01:10:32.859 --> 01:10:34.600
I don't know if he's part of Echoes of Oak.
1303
01:10:34.659 --> 01:10:36.439
Hang in there. He didn't say what he was part of.
1304
01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:38.819
Hang in there. He just said that he didn't like
1305
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.670
Key Forge. It wasn't for him. I think he joined
1306
01:10:42.689 --> 01:10:46.670
the wrong company, bro. You know, and then there's Like,
1307
01:10:46.710 --> 01:10:51.489
there's just so many different companies under the Strange Stars umbrella. Like,
1308
01:10:51.770 --> 01:10:59.000
I just personally, I don't like CTP. Well, you have to.
1309
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:03.220
I just feel shady. Right. Like, I don't. Whenever I
1310
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:05.300
hear him trying to do anything, I'm like, how are
1311
01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:06.090
you trying to fuck me?
1312
01:11:07.630 --> 01:11:10.939
Look, you just have to have all these companies so
1313
01:11:11.189 --> 01:11:13.920
you can, you know, mask the source of the money
1314
01:11:14.020 --> 01:11:15.699
by passing it through these intermediaries.
1315
01:11:16.180 --> 01:11:21.159
Right. Yeah. Nothing illegal there. No, but that sounds fine
1316
01:11:21.180 --> 01:11:21.380
to me.
1317
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:25.380
I mean, you're you're in the US, man. Like, all
1318
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:27.020
I got to do is show a loss and I
1319
01:11:27.020 --> 01:11:28.859
have to pay no taxes for our money.
1320
01:11:29.250 --> 01:11:29.390
Right.
1321
01:11:29.550 --> 01:11:34.420
No, I get it. I get it. Don't worry, I
1322
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:37.779
brought my lube. I know the shenanigans, right? I brought
1323
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:42.430
it with me. Just at least hold me when I
1324
01:11:42.489 --> 01:11:44.770
start to cry. That's all I ask for, but most
1325
01:11:44.810 --> 01:11:48.149
people don't. I'll do that for you. Thank you, I
1326
01:11:48.170 --> 01:11:50.670
appreciate it. We'll do you a solid. Yeah. Thank you.
1327
01:11:50.750 --> 01:11:51.189
Yeah, bud.
1328
01:11:51.210 --> 01:11:53.229
That's all I ask for.
1329
01:11:54.069 --> 01:11:54.310
Just.
1330
01:11:55.220 --> 01:11:58.399
I just, like, I get the heebie-jeebies, and it has
1331
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:00.300
nothing to do with Dead Sync, and it has nothing
1332
01:12:00.340 --> 01:12:01.039
to do with Riku.
1333
01:12:01.460 --> 01:12:05.729
I'm... Whenever they're like, we're in a new venture, and
1334
01:12:05.770 --> 01:12:09.220
I'm like, ah, fuck. You don't have the first venture
1335
01:12:09.260 --> 01:12:12.020
fucking figured out, and you're on a new one? This
1336
01:12:12.100 --> 01:12:13.300
is like doing a side quest.
1337
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:14.729
That's how you get good ventures.
1338
01:12:15.489 --> 01:12:18.069
They've got this venture figured out. It's you guys who
1339
01:12:18.109 --> 01:12:19.810
keep thinking they should be doing something different.
1340
01:12:20.270 --> 01:12:23.130
No, they don't have their original venture figured out. No,
1341
01:12:23.449 --> 01:12:26.420
they don't. The Yellow King's taking all the risk. Really?
1342
01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:27.640
Because they keep.
1343
01:12:27.380 --> 01:12:29.939
Getting the exact same thing and it's continuing to make
1344
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.119
very similar amounts of money. It feels like they got
1345
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:33.000
it pretty figured out.
1346
01:12:33.779 --> 01:12:37.100
Except this year where they made significantly less.
1347
01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:38.600
Not significantly less.
1348
01:12:38.649 --> 01:12:41.090
That's pretty significant. A little bit. A little bit less.
1349
01:12:41.369 --> 01:12:44.829
But they also put a lot less effort in. Yeah, right?
1350
01:12:45.329 --> 01:12:46.550
That's not true.
1351
01:12:46.989 --> 01:12:49.250
So maybe their return is even better.
1352
01:12:50.289 --> 01:12:52.710
They don't have to pay Josh to write articles anymore, so,
1353
01:12:52.729 --> 01:12:56.949
you know. They don't have to pay anybody to respond
1354
01:12:56.970 --> 01:13:00.529
to my request to add artwork to Artforge so I
1355
01:13:00.550 --> 01:13:01.470
can pay them money.
1356
01:13:01.489 --> 01:13:06.380
I want you to bring it up at KFC, which
1357
01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:08.960
by the way has now become the PV Double Down.
1358
01:13:08.979 --> 01:13:11.300
Raise my hand.
1359
01:13:11.939 --> 01:13:15.779
Why won't you let me spend money to buy a
1360
01:13:15.819 --> 01:13:18.460
mat with all my Keyforge friends on it?
1361
01:13:18.779 --> 01:13:21.170
Louis Campierre. Do we talk about that?
1362
01:13:21.270 --> 01:13:23.930
Apparently they keep asking for the redacted mat and it's
1363
01:13:23.970 --> 01:13:26.069
not getting made either.
1364
01:13:26.149 --> 01:13:26.310
Yeah.
1365
01:13:26.329 --> 01:13:28.489
Well, that one, I wonder if that art is like
1366
01:13:28.569 --> 01:13:30.229
not available in high def or something.
1367
01:13:30.819 --> 01:13:33.939
Uh, but any who's. Yeah. Forever.
1368
01:13:34.020 --> 01:13:38.199
The, uh, um, but you talking about like the, the
1369
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.220
two chicken patties, like fried chicken patties, make it a sandwich.
1370
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:42.680
Is that what you're talking about? There was ham in
1371
01:13:42.699 --> 01:13:43.600
the middle. Yeah.
1372
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:44.560
Yeah.
1373
01:13:44.590 --> 01:13:46.770
It was, it was two fried chicken patties with ham
1374
01:13:46.810 --> 01:13:49.270
and Swiss in the middle. No bun. The bun was
1375
01:13:49.310 --> 01:13:52.750
the chicken. Yeah, man. Hell yeah. It was the worst
1376
01:13:52.829 --> 01:13:56.069
thing ever, and I ordered two. I ordered one, and
1377
01:13:56.189 --> 01:13:58.840
I was like, oh, that was terrible. So I got
1378
01:13:58.899 --> 01:14:00.680
another one like a week later. And I was like,
1379
01:14:00.739 --> 01:14:04.760
oh yeah, still bad. Fuck, I don't remember. I didn't
1380
01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:07.060
even get to finish my analogy, but that's okay. We'll
1381
01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:09.300
do it all later. But, alright.
1382
01:14:10.100 --> 01:14:12.159
Where do we want to wrap this thing up? I
1383
01:14:12.180 --> 01:14:14.579
think we're all excited. I think we're excited for something new.
1384
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:23.220
Right? We're ready for shiny new toys. We'll just play
1385
01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:23.859
it by ear.
1386
01:14:24.619 --> 01:14:31.949
It's two years away. It could only be as little
1387
01:14:32.229 --> 01:14:38.010
as 15 months away. True. But their Discord has pulled
1388
01:14:38.090 --> 01:14:43.409
out several has-beens in the Keyforge world.
1389
01:14:44.170 --> 01:14:47.750
We don't call them that here. We call them old friends.
1390
01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:53.899
Once was. That's so nice. Now back to Hespens.
1391
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:59.739
Yeah, Hespens. That are back and interested. There is money
1392
01:15:00.300 --> 01:15:04.039
available for this that has not been available for more
1393
01:15:05.899 --> 01:15:11.260
physical product. Is there a lot of it?
1394
01:15:11.489 --> 01:15:11.850
I don't know.
1395
01:15:12.010 --> 01:15:12.710
They get to find out.
1396
01:15:15.590 --> 01:15:17.729
There are some names in here I have not seen.
1397
01:15:19.270 --> 01:15:20.550
In a long time.
1398
01:15:21.970 --> 01:15:22.229
Yeah.
1399
01:15:22.329 --> 01:15:23.789
Like a long time.
1400
01:15:24.510 --> 01:15:25.829
Let's wrap this up. All right.
1401
01:15:27.189 --> 01:15:27.510
All right.
1402
01:15:27.569 --> 01:15:32.470
Mr. Ewok, what do you got, my boy? I'm excited.
1403
01:15:32.770 --> 01:15:35.409
I'm glad to see that some of our amazing community
1404
01:15:35.510 --> 01:15:38.770
organizers are part of this venture, and I look forward
1405
01:15:38.810 --> 01:15:40.710
to hearing more about it at KFC.
1406
01:15:42.750 --> 01:15:43.189
Mm hmm.
1407
01:15:44.470 --> 01:15:45.050
Draft score.
1408
01:15:45.090 --> 01:15:45.170
Yeah.
1409
01:15:47.409 --> 01:15:51.640
Yeah. I'm pumped. I'm ready for this. That was not
1410
01:15:51.659 --> 01:15:54.239
what I was looking for, but okay. Oh, what do
1411
01:15:54.260 --> 01:15:58.119
you need? You're just like, yeah, and that was kind
1412
01:15:58.140 --> 01:15:58.710
of the end of it.
1413
01:15:58.720 --> 01:15:58.789
Wow.
1414
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.770
Are we forging? No, we're not quite there yet, but
1415
01:16:03.810 --> 01:16:06.729
it's okay. What's going on?
1416
01:16:07.789 --> 01:16:11.350
I'm excited. I just very much hope that it's a
1417
01:16:11.489 --> 01:16:17.399
real business plan and not a Keyforge community stepping up
1418
01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:22.500
to to cover again. Like, ah, I, I hate, I
1419
01:16:22.619 --> 01:16:27.979
got bad news for you. And I hope it fails
1420
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:29.840
and they go, yeah.
1421
01:16:30.939 --> 01:16:32.680
Like I know that the.
1422
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:36.420
Community has, yeah, we've talked about it. I do not
1423
01:16:36.460 --> 01:16:41.579
believe the community should continue to support Gigi. Like it,
1424
01:16:42.949 --> 01:16:43.869
if the money's there, absolutely.
1425
01:16:43.909 --> 01:16:44.329
Absolutely.
1426
01:16:45.029 --> 01:16:48.729
Well, then maybe this is the stepping stone where we
1427
01:16:48.789 --> 01:16:50.649
as the community get a chance to be able to
1428
01:16:50.689 --> 01:16:54.050
take the algorithm and be able to move on from GG.
1429
01:16:54.130 --> 01:16:58.229
Because honestly, our community is amazing. And there are many games,
1430
01:16:58.250 --> 01:17:00.909
Star Wars minis that I was a part of. It
1431
01:17:00.989 --> 01:17:03.300
has been run through Blue Milk and through others that
1432
01:17:03.340 --> 01:17:03.880
have been there.
1433
01:17:04.180 --> 01:17:05.939
You want to make even more fun about dead games.
1434
01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:09.079
I mean, there are a bunch of community-ran games now.
1435
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:11.800
BattleTech being one of them as well.
1436
01:17:11.939 --> 01:17:12.199
Right.
1437
01:17:13.510 --> 01:17:15.229
Star Wars, old Star Wars.
1438
01:17:15.630 --> 01:17:19.680
Battle tech has an online component that has been run
1439
01:17:19.770 --> 01:17:21.520
for years and years and years.
1440
01:17:22.260 --> 01:17:23.159
Oh, years and years and years.
1441
01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:23.380
Yeah.
1442
01:17:24.579 --> 01:17:26.520
I think, uh, as talking to Mr.
1443
01:17:26.539 --> 01:17:29.500
Helmke today, I believe that he said is at least
1444
01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:33.699
25 years that it has been essentially our TCO. So again,
1445
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:37.449
TCO did a wonderful job running. I, I think that's, uh,
1446
01:17:38.550 --> 01:17:40.569
I'm excited to see where this goes. And if it
1447
01:17:40.649 --> 01:17:43.640
means that we have access for the future, with digital
1448
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:44.880
decks and to keep this game going.
1449
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:45.649
Great. Awesome.
1450
01:17:50.229 --> 01:17:53.569
Uh, yeah, that's going to do it for us this week. Uh,
1451
01:17:53.609 --> 01:17:55.050
you guys are going to get a double dose. I
1452
01:17:55.109 --> 01:17:58.310
actually won't know you're going to get a double dose because, uh,
1453
01:17:58.350 --> 01:18:00.890
you'll get the first episode after I've deleted some things
1454
01:18:00.970 --> 01:18:03.109
and then you'll get this episode. So then you'll know
1455
01:18:03.149 --> 01:18:04.100
you got the double dose.
1456
01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:06.579
Huh? We've made too much trash.
1457
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:09.220
Yeah, we made too much trash.
1458
01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:11.340
I think our trash can is full.
1459
01:18:11.979 --> 01:18:13.520
I think that you should have just gone ahead and
1460
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:16.420
trolled everyone and just re-released episode one and two again.
1461
01:18:17.140 --> 01:18:18.029
We've hit the end.
1462
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:23.420
We're cycling. Now we got to roll back around. But
1463
01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:25.380
that'll do it for us this week. We will see
1464
01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:30.880
you all next week. Be forging, everyone.
1465
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:34.520
May the forge be with you. Thank you, Yellow King.
1466
01:18:34.939 --> 01:18:36.119
You guys are doing great work.
1467
01:18:36.149 --> 01:18:36.229
Yay!
1468
01:18:37.069 --> 01:18:37.600
Yeah.
1469
01:18:50.710 --> 01:18:54.729
I never conquered when it came to love.
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01:18:54.789 --> 01:18:56.689
We'll hold such better days.
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01:18:56.750 --> 01:18:58.270
Days when I.
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01:18:57.949 --> 01:19:02.500
Can still feel alive. When I can't wait to get outside.
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01:19:02.659 --> 01:19:03.720
The world is mine.
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01:19:04.220 --> 01:19:06.039
The time is mine.
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01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:07.380
The tour is over.
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01:19:07.699 --> 01:19:08.920
I survived.
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01:19:09.100 --> 01:19:13.460
I can't wait till I get home.