Alien8Andy: Hello. Hello. Welcome to alienate UK. back now doing Fridays, but this is a special UFO files as you'll find out in a moment. before I bring the guests on, don't forget it's only three weeks away to festival. The unexplained tickets are still available. Go to, www.festivaloftheunexplained.com. Got it right today. So yeah, that's it. Right. I shall introduce them and then I will bring them on. tonight's guests, we are joined by Leslie and Stephen Shaw, authors, long time UFO researchers and hosts of Abductions 101. UFOs and paranormal connection, both UFO witnesses and Stephen describes a lifetime of extraordinary encounters, including experiences of missing time and what he believes was direct contact. Him and his family say the phenomena has touched generations of their family. Leslie brings her own perspective as a journalist, artist and witness. Together, they spent decades investigating these experiences and asking the big questions explored in their book. Who or what is behind the UFO encounters and what might they want? Their stories are also featured in the documentary, Who They Are. Leslie and Stephen, welcome. Let's... What? That's it. Right. Sorry. I was reading side notes. Right. I shall now bring them on. Any questions, please do put them in capitals and start with an emoji because more than likely they'll get missed as I'm, just me hosting no calls tonight. So let's welcome Stephen and Leslie Shaw. Hi guys. Welcome to the show.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: hi. Afternoon. Thanks for having us on.
Alien8Andy: you are more than welcome. Now we eventually got it sorted, but it's all good. So shall I start with the questions straight away? Should we get into it so people get to know who you are what you're about?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I think that's a good idea.
Alien8Andy: Perfect. Right. So first question is for Stephen. Your experiences began when you were just three. What's the earliest memory that still feels vivid and what makes you believe it is more than a childhood dream?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well of course when I was a child at three in nineteen sixty-three, I did not know what it was. I mean, later on I would found out that we had this family spirit guy that had been with our family bloodline from England and Germany and Scotland, Coldo Glegley.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And so anyways, the the the original memories that I have but were very physical, I would be awakened in my bed and there would be this invisible two legged entity which would be jumping on my stomach or like pressing on my stomach. It felt like it was jumping
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: like an animal, plays playfully, wasn't menacing. And it was, you know, I had my eyesight, so I I didn't see anything, but I remember laughing and it it happened on on several occasions. So that was that would be my first vivid memory from sixty three years ago.
Alien8Andy: Wow. So then, so from then, did it escalate straight away or was it slow gradual?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: No. No. It it didn't. The the next thing that I can remember, I remember when I was seven or eight years. I had two that happened when I was seven or eight. I just come back from England. I was going to school there in nineteen sixty seven summer school. So anyway, I came back and I remember sleeping in my bunk bed on the top bunk, my brother on the bottom, and I remember hearing the sound in the living room. And it was sound that I couldn't recognize. I knew it wasn't the dog and it wasn't my parents. So I I got out of the bunk bed, and this is of course the middle of the night. And I went carefully down, you know, slowly down the hallway. There was a light in on on the in the kitchen, which was in front of me, so I could see where I was going. But I remembered very, very vividly that my heart was pounding and I was sweating and I was afraid of what I was gonna see. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: As I got down the hallway and I was going to turn right, I just blacked out. And the next thing I remember is waking up in my bunk bed again, neatly tucked in, or was at least in my bunk bed, and having no clue what had happened in between the time. You know, when when you're when your heart is pounding and you're in an adrenal phase like I was,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it's not the typical thing for you just to black out. Okay. That doesn't happen. I mean you're you're
Alien8Andy: Well, total opposite, innit?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: You're yeah, you're in flight or fight mode. Okay. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that was just very, very odd. And it wasn't long after that that I saw what I call and my brother had s saw s saw them too when he turned eight years old. He was six years younger than me. But anyway, so when I was eight years old, I saw what I call these garden gnomes, your typical type of garden gnomes, five of them,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that were walking into our bedroom. And they were shimmery looking, but they were definitely walking in there creeping in. We didn't have a television, so There wasn't anything like a television involved or anything like that.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And I looked at them and I looked at them for maybe four or five seconds and then they they they caught that I was looking at them. They kind of froze and looked at me and then I and then I turned over 'cause I was, you know, a little a little scared. A little scared. My my I you know, at the
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: time I kinda like you know wrote it off until my brother told me that he started sleeping in the closet for he slept in the closet for about two years.
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Like from the age of let's say about nine to eleven. And I asked him, said Phil, why why are you sleeping in the closet? And he said, Well, I'm afraid of the little men that come at night. So when he turned about my age, when I first saw them, he started seeing them. He is on the lower bunk bed, so he would
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have more an easier viewpoint. Okay. So he was seeing the same thing that I was seeing six years later. And
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that was kind of you know, these these are still at this point in time. We were still chalking it up to our family spirit guide called Oglegli, which means in Tunisia, it means something like my friend. And you know, many people
Alien8Andy: Okay.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: had seen Olegli in different times of stress, and would always appeal appear as the same type of being, about six to six and a half foot tall, very slender, kind of elongated limbs, big eyes, sometimes would be appear as just a black man wearing a fez. To me when I was
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: eighteen appeared to as a very tall blue white being, but humanoid. And then my brother in nineteen eighty-two actually saw O'Glegley as apparently O'Glegley really is, which is a tall gray. My you know, my uncle has seen him in in Ceylon when he was in the RAF and my grandmother. We say a black man in Ceylon, but what it was is it was a very dark tent. But he could see the outline shape of him almost like a silhouette,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, and it was They always describe the shape of a tall gray. Always the same. But Steve saw it almost like an electric avatar of itself, you know, like an outline
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: of blue white electricity. And it it had physical effects on me too. Very physical effects. Yeah. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Very chipped down. It was Yeah, tell about the coins. That's
Alien8Andy: Mmm.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: wild. Well, I want to go in the order that he wants to hear. Did you did you have did you have any questions?
Alien8Andy: don't you go into any argue or whatever's relevant to you. So you...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well the most yeah, the most the most relevant thing, well there I saw my first UFO when I was twelve. And and then these abduction things seemed to come in clusters. Right. Philip had a cluster of three in one week and then Steven they they targeted they targeted he him in particular. But the whole family were witness to some of the weird events during that five days. But it was like a five day sprint of weird stuff. What's important
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: about this is that this was happening in two separate locations, three hundred and fifty miles apart at the same time to five people. Yeah. Okay. So
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: this is not something that was happening in let's say, it was a haunted house. No, no. One of the
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: houses we were building ourselves because we were cabinet makers and, you know, construction people.
Alien8Andy: Okay, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So we're doing the work ourselves in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas in California, which this happens to be one of the hottest spots in the whole country for both Bigfoot and UFO abductions, which we didn't know at the time. Okay. It just happened to be that weird, you know, woodland hills
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and they both are connected that way. So anyway, I'll just go ahead and just give you the what happened. the very first
Alien8Andy: Yeah, please.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: night yeah. My my dad was a Bobby too, by the way, in in the over in England from fifty two to fifty six. Very very, you know, level headed guy. Okay. What's all this then kind of guy, you know? Yeah, my both my parents
Alien8Andy: yeah. Yeah. So, is your dad, so your dad's from the UK or did he just live in the UK?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: are UK. My dad from Manchester, my mom from Oldham.
Alien8Andy: I'm from Manchester.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I could tell by your ac accent. Yeah. Yeah, you've got the Manchester accent, yeah, the Northern England accent, yes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. It has faded a bit. I've been living down south, 18, 17, 18 years now, but it's still there.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, his parents had faded a little in California by then too, but he could still c hear it, I'm sure. yeah, yeah, yeah. You could absolutely
Alien8Andy: Yeah, can yeah still pick it up
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: hear it. My aunt and uncle. But anyway, so my my dad
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: was a cabinet maker, he was the master, and I was the apprentice working with him and he came to breakfast and he told my sister and I said, You know, my closet door's open and closed on me last night and I thought, okay, Dad, you know, you know, it's okay. This must have been a dream. Okay. But he's insistent. But we went to work anyway, so The next night I gave my dad this book to read by Paramahansa Yogananda and I said, You know, this is some really cool philosophy, Dad. You should you should read some of this. So I I gave him this little booklet around nine o'clock at night, and he came into my room about nine thirty with this puzzled look on his face. He said, You know, Stephen, I'm I'm hearing silver bells in the wall. I said, All right. So I went into the living room and sure enough, right by the fireplace inside the wall, there is this ding ding. A very distinctive silver bell. You can't mistake
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a silver bell for any other kind of belt. It's so pure. Yeah. And and
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, we're we just looked up the chimney flu and banged on the wall. Then we got my sister. She said, Karen, come in here. And my sister was thirteen and she was kind of like, you know, in denial about a lot of things, you know, about the whole old Glegley thing. Yeah. So the first thing she
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: said when she walked in the room was like, Where's that bell coming from? 'Cause she knew we didn't have a silver bell like we were ringing. And she said, it's got from the inside wall. And not in the wall. And and she and she heard the exact same thing. You know, you don't you can't resonate a bell inside a two by four wall. Sorry, it doesn't work
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that way. Okay, so wasn't an animal. So it went on for a good ten, fifteen minutes. And we were like doing the same thing, banging on the wall and trying to figure it out. And then it it just stopped. Now the next morning, because our family was separated, we were building the house in Sonora, we would always call. before my brother went to school. And my mom, by the way, all the women in our bloodlines, going back four generations at least, were all automatic writers apart from one. They're a psychic bunch, yes. Okay. So there is that. There is a enhanced ability in that particular area, okay, for communication. So anyway, my mom said, you know, this funniest thing happened about nine fifteen, nine thirty last night. I heard the phone ring. I heard this bell and I thought it was the phone. And I I picked up the phone and there was this disembodied there's this man's voice on the other end and she thought that i he was saying I am the invisible Ambici and most likely was O'Glegley but she said Ambiche but and so I I was still kind of in denial at this point. So I got my brother on the phone who was Mr. Calculus, you know, a very, you know, level headed type of guy, you know, very brilliant.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And I said, Phil, you know, did the phone ring last night? 'Cause I knew they were in the same room. He said, No, it didn't ring, but mom picked up the phone. And she was trying to have a conversation and she was confused because she didn't recognize the voice. So when the bell was going off at our house, the phone was ringing three hundred and fifty miles apart, like
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a bell. Okay. So the next night I was sleeping in my bedroom, this time not on the on the top of the bunk bed, just on on the bottom bunk bed, and I was awakened by this whizzing sound in the air, like a Again the middle of the night. I turned over and I just kinda peered out the out the out the the bedroom door and I couldn't see anything, so I just went back to bed, just turned over and no, I was not asleep, but I got this gentle push from the base of the bed, like push, push. Like kinda like a gentle wake up, right? I thought it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: was like an earthquake. I was trying to like you know, ignore it. And then still ignored it and then push, push a little. More vi a little stronger. And then it was push, push, like wake up. And now I'm getting pretty nervous and wondering what is going on. And then I get a tap, tap, tap with like an index finger right on my deltoid, middeltoid insertion on my right arm. Because I'm laying on my left side and it goes tap,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: tap, tap. Tap it on me. Do it on me because they can't see your other arm. Tap, tap. It was like right there. Right there. That's where his implant ended up being found. That's we found the implant, yeah. Okay. But anyway, so it was so I rolled over and I said, What? Because I was both scared and I was annoyed at the same time. I thought maybe
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: someone was playing a joke on me, right? I rolled over and there was this shimmery like object, face like looking at me, and I look at it, and I look at it, maybe for about two seconds, and then I blacked out. Okay. So I told my dad, my sister about that at breakfast, and there was no way I was gonna be sleeping in that bedroom again. So I decided to sleep in my work clothes that next night and I slept on the couch in the living room and I figured, okay, what is gonna happen tonight? But I'm not gonna be in that bedroom, right? So I woke
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: up about five thirty in the morning, which is January, so it was dark, and I looked at my piano, wondering what I was gonna play that day, and I heard the fountain in other room, and just laying there relaxed, face up, and behind me was the front door. About twenty feet behind me was the front door. Okay, so It was as if when I became awake, this entity, okay, opened up this blue white door. I'll call it like a portal, okay. I could
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: sense it behind me, okay. I could sense it and it just came through, kind of walked, floated through through, in about maybe a second and a half to two seconds covered the distance, let's say second and a half, stopped right at my right side, bringing all this blue white light, kind of more blue than white. Now the light didn't go through the house, it just stopped when this entity stopped. Like this wall. It was it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: was inside the whole house. The wall just stopped. And when it stopped by my right side, the whole right side of my body is like you took a knife to it and just turned it off, turned off the nervous system. The feeling just
Alien8Andy: Ooh.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: totally went, was gone. The left side I had feeling in, but I didn't have on the right side. And the entity bent down, I could feel it bend down, and it whispered into my ear, not my head, said Hi, Steve. Okay. Just, you know, obviously it knew me, knew my name and whatnot.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And and here I'm thinking I'm gonna talk to old Glegley that I'd heard about, you know. So half of me is really excited. I'm gonna talk to this person, this entity that is, you know, from the other side. Not thinking anything about aliens at this point. Okay. And the other power hard part of me is saying, dude, you can't move, you know. what what's gonna happen? So part of me was like, Happy and excited, the other part of me was trepidatious. And so the entity kind of stayed there. And I think after about five seconds, it unbent and it went back out and the the doorway c closed behind it. I thought it was the front door at the time, but it was really kind of a portal. And I was gonna I was thinking about getting up and then I just blacked out. Okay. You know, after something like that happens, you're gonna go and
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: tell your dad or tell your sister, right? Well, no, I blacked out. And that's the signature we found for the abduction phenomenon is people will see an alien in their room and then black out. Well, yeah,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: what what happened after that was that day around eleven thirty, you know, it's it's lunchtime. So I was gonna go get some lunch for my dad and I. So I reached into my right hand side pocket to pull out the coins that I had for for lunch and I put on the table. And these were all standard American coins, nineteen seventy nine, right?
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So they're all magnetic. All the coins you can pick up. My dad could pick up by the side, by the face. It didn't matter. I had a couple of nails in there too. Those are easy to magnetize, but coins are hard to No, you can't magnetize coins. All right. So the c all the coins
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: were mag magnetic six hours after I was I was affected. Okay. And then They purposely design coins, you know, so they can't become magnetized. So they're and the the last night was when I
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: didn't have I don't have any memory of that. my dad was awakened by seeing this wall of blue white light outside my bedroom because I decided to go back to my bedroom because I said, What the heck's gonna happen? I'm as well back to bed. You know, so I went back to my bed and he saw this wall of blue white light completely encompassing my bedroom door. And his being an ex-cop was say, I'm gonna see what's going on, okay, you know, find out what's going on to my son, right? And so he was getting up out of bed to go and investigate. And there's this voice in his head told him, Jeffrey Just go back to sleep, nothing to see here. Everything's fine. Steven's fine. And that's exactly what he did. And I have absolutely no memory of that. You know, like I say,
Alien8Andy: What the
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I I've been taken for my sperm and whatever other DNA samples they
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: need for me, like my brother has. See, they want to get you when you're young, when you're relatively pure and unsullied. And why
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: not get the why not get the prime stuff? And so we know that they're after DNA and genetical genetic material. We know that for a fact. From very specific from genetic lines too. Yes. Once they find a genetic line that meets their criteria, then then they'll prey on everyone in the family and then they'll start taking the grandkids and the the I mean the kids and the grandkids and so on. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So, so I was just going to say, so once you find that line of what they need, do you know
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: what the specifics are of exactly what they're looking for?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We have some ideas from from the statistics. We look at we look at what they're doing and we look at statistics and we look at just basically what has happened. for instance, I've had the twenty three in me done like you know, Ancestry and I'm almost
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: pure Northern European with some Icelandic thrown in there and this one one one Russian. So basically I'm basically Welsh I'm Welsh, Irish, Scottish, English. you know, so The bloodline is it really has to do with necessity and what they're looking for. It's has nothing to do with racism. They seem or anything like that. Yeah, they seem to be after
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: nine out of ten c abductees are Caucasian.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And nine out of four out of ten have green eyes and four out of ten have R H negative blood. And these two are recessive traits that were much more common in our population thousands of years ago. About a hundred and fifty thousand years ago that we can
Alien8Andy: Uhhhh...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: surmise that the R H negative blood type started showing up. And it is an ancient blood. It is an ancient bloodline.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So that's what they're after. They're after Caucasian. Not just Caucasian, but Caucasians who are have some of these recessive traits they're after, more ancient bloodlines that they're after.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And but then they'll take the you know, there's still one out of ten that's something completely different. And I think they utilize the the DNA they take for different purposes. For instance, Bigfoot is half human. Yeah, that's been established. So we think that they are creating the Bigfoots down, you
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, bel we have we haven't gone into our theory yet, too far, but essentially we don't think it the We think the Anunnaki are the only aliens we're really dealing with. And the rest
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: of the alien types are their genetic chimeras that they have no problems breeding and making with our DNA. Right. You know, they've they're created essentially all these different slave races. And when the Anunnaki first made us, they the idea was to For us to be their gold miners. So we think the
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: grays were their gold miners for 300,000 years, and that's why they look like they've been underground for 300,000 years, because you know they have. And then we think the younger dryas comet was spotted by the Anunnaki and they moved their surface projects underground and
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: took their valuable slave populations with them. And then the few straggler survivors on the surface, these this the escaped slaves or you know, whatever, were us. And the few survivors were thrown back into the Stone Age, but you know, the Anunnaki kept their technology in. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so we think that the it's the Nordics that were the recently taken down slave group. And they are the ones
Alien8Andy: Okay.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: becoming non-viable living underground. And now need regular infusions of DNA from surface Caucasians.
Alien8Andy: Right, that's very interesting because then that kind of proves that they're not from elsewhere, they're from here.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Except for the Anunnaki themselves, of course. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. But I mean, like all the ones that people witness, like yourselves and,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: not have contact with is I always say, just, just
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. In fact, yeah.
Alien8Andy: because you see a craft in the sky, doesn't mean to say it's coming from outer space. It's just, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Correct. Sure. Could be coming from underground, which we think most of their UFOs are being launched from there. Right.
Alien8Andy: It's just, you're not going to fly craft along, you're not going to drive it down the road, So you're going to go up in the sky where there's nothing in the way and get to where you need to go and then bring it back down. So.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. And if if you're if you're coming from Arcturus or the or the or the system of the constellation, the Pleiades or whatever may be Sirius or the d you know, you're the first thing the n the first thing you're not gonna do is want to have sex with the with the dominant, you know, bipedal creature. And breed weird hybrids. And plus the thing is your your chromosomes have
Alien8Andy: I'm
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to line up. You have to have 64 chromosomes and they have to line up. I mean physiologically looking at chemistry and it basically because I I know this kind of stuff. If it doesn't line up, you ain't going to get a viable offspring unless you interfere at the embryonic stage. And then
Alien8Andy: yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you have to have advanced genetics and you have to have means, motive and opportunity to do it. And that's not what we were hearing from our abductees. They were saying, I was raped by my alien handler. So they're having sex with us and making
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: us pregnant. And they're supposed to be from Arcturus or the Pleiades
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: or Siri. It's a really good cover story because they want to keep us looking up and not being over. Great cover story. And that we do
Alien8Andy: Yes, not looking down. Yep. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it was sorry, I so so so sorry.
Alien8Andy: No, it's right. Go on. Carry on. It's fine.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, our research was showing that all of the different alien types were having sex with their their abductees and getting them pregnant. So that's when we realized no matter how weird they look, these are still genetically human, essentially human creatures.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. No, cause I was just going to say it's like when they've started breeding, lions and tigers, it can only do like for the Liger. It's gotta be, one of them's got to be, obviously one's got to be male and female, but you can only use like say the male tiger and the female lion. If you try it the other way around, it doesn't work. So it's this.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And they're mules, I believe. I believe they can't they're not they're not viable products. Almost all the time. Almost always.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. See that makes a lot more sense now as to what
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right.
Alien8Andy: is going on.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It explains the cryptid thing too, why people are seeing all these weird half human dogmans and mothmans and they're down there breeding all this weird stuff. There's there's some interesting stuff that has came out too recently. do you guys get the Joe Rogan show over there as a podcast? Okay. Did
Alien8Andy: Yo yes, yeah yeah yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you did you see the episode with David Grush that was on fairly recently? Yeah, last week then.
Alien8Andy: Not yet. just, I tend to scroll through and just watch the clips of it and
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Yeah. Us two actually. Well well Grush is one
Alien8Andy: haha
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: of the w is one of the intelligence officers, pretty pretty high up in the he's
Alien8Andy: Yes. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a whistleblower, right? And so he came out on the Joe Rogan show and he said specifically and he he mentioned only three different types that he has met. Okay. He's met the Nordics. Okay. He's met the Grays. And well actually he has
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: he hasn't met the reptilians, but a lot of his you know people in the intelligence agency have read the reptilians, which
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they are like three or four or five different types of reptilians. Some are more like gorillas, some are more like us. But again, we're only talking about three. Okay. He says that the the Nordics are indistinguishable for from us. Like Nord like Scandinavians. Like humans. Like Scandinavians right. Yeah. Scandinavians
Alien8Andy: Yeah, tall white pale skin. Yeah
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that have a little bit of albinoism in them, you know? Yeah.
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The bigger eyes, bigger blue eyes. and these are These are mutations we would expect to see in troglodytes. As they're underground, as they're in lower light environments, their eyes would get larger. aliens
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have been described as glowing. of course any any living creature on this planet you put in a low light environment is going to start bioluminescing more. And you know, the the bigger eye thing for the the grays. I think they just have the same kind of eyes we do, but the the pupils have grown colossal and fill the whole eye now because they're
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they've been gold mining in low light environments forever, you know. Yet a hundred plus generations, the course is gonna be changed. Yep.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's evolution or is it manufactured?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the the other thing too, when you're in a low light environment and you have nutritional needs that are different, and let's say you're working more on telepathy, which by by the way, all humans are are telepathic. We're born telepathic.
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We're we're trained not to be telepathic. So anyway when they teach us the alphabet. There is in in in in Harari's in Harari's book Sapiens, which is a really good book, came about four or five years ago, talks about the an Neanderthals and Dennis Obens Homo sapiens and all that. But anyways, he talks about the rule is the bigger the brain, the bigger the drain. And that's really, really indicative of what we're seeing. our human brain takes up about 25% of our total caloric and you know energy needs per day, okay, with our 1500cc brains, right? Now the grays across the boards, they have this mint much, much larger brain cavity, brain case than we have. So as you increase the brain size. The body selects away from the muscles. Okay. It doesn't
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have enough energy, especially with a lower caloric intake. It doesn't have enough caloric intake to be able to support big arms. The arms will get skinnier, the legs will get skinnier. You will naturally develop other parts of the brain, like the areas of the cot at Putin men and the parahippocampal gyrus. Those areas will become more enhanced. So what you're seeing are things you would expect to see from subsurface terrestrial. inhabitants that have been here for hundreds of thousands of years that can breed with us because they still have the forty-six base chromosome pair substrate. Okay, that's what they're dealing with.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Sorry. I'm just trying to take all that in. No, no, no. I understand a lot of it because I, biology
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sorry, it is a lot at once.
Alien8Andy: and I love doing all that when I was at
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yep. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: school. It was just one of them subjects that I was just so interested in. So we covered all like
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure.
Alien8Andy: the chromosomes and genetics and all that kind of stuff. No, it's okay. I finished. It's fine. Go
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: One of the things I really like sorry I did it again. There's a
Alien8Andy: on.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: ever so slight delay from England, I think.
Alien8Andy: I know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So you must you must have other questions too, right? But I wanted to
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: mention the thing about our theory. One of the things we love about our theory in particular is that it doesn't require any theoretical physics to be true. You don't have to have wormholes, you don't have to have faster than light travel, you don't have to have time travel, you don't have to have interdimensional travel. A lot of these other theories floating around about who these aliens are and what they want and they're they're require some of this theoretical physics to be true. Well and ours doesn't. Yeah, the funny thing is is that now we can actually produce portals, at least here in the United States. It's no longer a theoretical thing. So it's kind of one of these cuspy type things. Like, okay, five years ago or ten years ago, portals were still considered to be Theoretical. They're not really they're not theoretical anymore. But you know, for for instance, when I was approached my brother, certainly there was a portal involved. So at the time well, we can open they can open portals, but is that is that one of those three types of physics I was talking about? Maybe it is, maybe it's interdimensional travel, and but you know, our theories don't really require it. It's it's just that the only aliens involved are the Anunnaki. And they are supposedly on a planet that's in our solar system still. It's part of our solar system, just cruises through every thirty, six hundred years or something. And so they don't even have to c have interstellar drive to get here. They just wait till the planet cruises through the so the inner solar system and jump off and come here for their resource. But they use us as a resource planet.
Alien8Andy: Well, here's the question. Yeah. Could that be free iAtlas?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I definitely think three eye atlas was an artificially constructed thing. And whether it's from the Anunnaki or not, I I can't be sure. But it made like five course corrections and then it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: turned green and as it flew over Mars it killed the Maven orbiter and it sent out radio signals too, like two of them, you know. so interstellar space, there's a lot of misinformation about that. Okay, when you talk you know When people most people think of interstellar space, they think outside the solar system. Interstellar interstellar space is defined as when you are in a area of the solar system that is beyond the influence of our sun's heliosphere, and each astronomical unit is ninety-three million miles. That's the mean average distance the Earth is from the sun. So we call them astronomical units or AUs. So when you get To about a hundred astronomical units, which is just under ten billion miles, you become beyond the influence of the sun's heliosphere, and that is considered interstellar space. That's the inner solar system, and then the outer one is and then you go you keep on and you get
Alien8Andy: Got you. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to the or cloud. The orc cloud is two hundred billion miles. No, two hundred thousand one up between one hundred and fifty and two hundred thousand astronomical units. That's where all the big a lot of the comets come from and a lot of the The objects that are saying they're coming from outside the they're actually really coming from either your cloud or from beyond in the interstellar space. And Nibiru,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: planet of the Anunnaki, is supposed to orbit a brown dwarf in our solar system about 500, I'm sorry, 50 billion miles away. Or 500 astronomical units. In the direction of Orion. And interestingly, in the 80s, a infrared telescope. discovered a brown dwarf in the direction of Orion. Right. And that information practically scrubbed off the world. It took me I had it took me days of s of scrolling through stuff to try and find any information about it. And that's where we get to this like the legacy program. We think our government discovered these creatures living under our feet. Our cousins. And they want their technology. So And that and the aliens wanna keep taking our citizens. So they made a deal. Look, go ahead and take the DNA you need, but just put back. Make sure to put them back. And you
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: can give us some of your technology and trade, you know. This that's kind of a nutshell their thing, you know.
Alien8Andy: I, yeah, I was actually talking about this the other day about the, sort of deal that's been set up. So because why else?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yes, absolutely. It's it's pretty clear. You know, we were just coming out of the Second World War. We said had two world wars and we were just moving almost directly into the Cold War. Then of course we had the Korean conflict, the Korean War. And so there's all this paranoia, especially with you know with Russia and United States. So obviously you wouldn't want them to get the upper hand on what we were considering to be alien or like exotic technology. So certainly that's why we created MJ twelve, Majestic Twelve, and then we created the CIA and we created all these different clandestine organizations
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and the NSA. And the NSA to control the flow of information. You don't want this information getting out.
Alien8Andy: No, no, it's...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And to this day they're still following our military. They're scared of our nukes. Why? They live here. Right. That's why they're following our our
Alien8Andy: yeah!
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: our military every single t maneuver we do, you know.
Alien8Andy: See that's, that's always puzzled me as to why they'd
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: switching off the warheads, like the disarming them and that. It's like, if they're not from here, what, what relevance would it have? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Save us having to do it. But
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Why would they care? Blow yourselves up You know. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: obviously like, yeah, why we're not putting two and two together.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's it's their actions, not their words. Always follow what they do, not what they say. That's what we did. We spent
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: thirty years watching what they were doing. Mm-hmm. Not what
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they're saying. Because they they're making up all this weird stuff. They the aliens that aren't really aliens, one thing they do is they recruit starseeds from amongst our population. They're just
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: abductees that are part of their breeding program, you know, but they
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they utilize the influence of their mind control, hypnosis plus emotional flooding into and so that's like rises to the level of brainwashing. So they're using brainwashing techniques and they use the previous children as leverage. This person's already given them four children, not voluntarily, but
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: then there's you they use the children as a recruitment tool as well. So They recruit them in and they start lying to them about we think it's a lie. This whole federation. we're we're altruistically here to help you. We're part of a federation of a bunch of different aliens from a bunch of different star systems. And you're you'll help us by giving us thirty children, won't you? Yeah. We need your children. We need thirty of them, please? Yeah. Again, you gotta look at what are the means, the motive op motive and the you know, means motive and what's the other one? Means motive and opportunity. Opportunity. Means, opportunity,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and motive. Okay, why why why would they why would be they would be needing so many kids? what? They're recruiting to fight in one of their wars or are they actually trying to replace Homo sapiens sapiens with a less violent version? Species. Yeah, maybe they're trying to t tweak our species
Alien8Andy: you fit
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: around, you know. Sure, why not? They've been doing it all along.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Would you think someone put it in the chat early? Do you think they could be, trying to repopulate somewhere else?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, I think they're when they went underground, I think the Anunnaki can survive underground just fine. But humans can't for any particularly long time. So they've been doing this hybrid alien breeding program for a couple of thousand years, we think. it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it goes back to the succubus and incubus stories.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a woman is raped by an incubus and she gets pregnant and then four months later she gives birth to nothing but air. It's like the the the pregnancy happens but it doesn't finish and the fetus just vanishes. This is the alien abduction, I mean the alien hybrid breeding program to the T, you know. So we think they're just maybe maybe their slave races are becoming non viable down there and they just need to replenish them with DNA from the surface. Yeah. See see the thing is if they if they were actually getting these babies born. And maturing them in a in a some type of a a vat. Yeah, which has been seen which has been seen by whistleblowers. Okay, they would still be being born in the environment of the earth or they'd have to be taken off planet. But then again, then you'd have to suspend belief about them having the technology and the ability and the forethought to start doing this and using us as the base and moving us all all the babies and all the fetuses off planet
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and what for what? for for fighting in a war, for repopulating the planet or or for what? It that makes absolute that's such a leap that you have to make. But if they are here and they actually are existing and they need us, which apparently they do, they they love to play God for a couple thousand years. Now they can't get away with that anymore. Now they're playing
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they're playing space aliens and they keep on having us look in the wrong direction. Yeah. You know? And it's funny 'cause the Nordics, th they're just you know, they you know what the Nordics look like, right?
Alien8Andy: Yeah, I think I've seen one.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But the Arcturians, they're supposed to be blue. They look just like the Nordics, but they're blue. The Pleiades. It's in a blue spotlight. That's why it's not and the white ones, they're supposed to be white. Yeah, they just blast them with a white spotlight. It's just they're trying to pretend to be all these different races, but they're
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: from different star systems and stuff. It's just part of the lie we think to their star seeds. And their star seeds are spreading in there's a galactic federation and they love us and It's just they pulled it straight out of Star Trek. It's a what we wanna hearism. Yeah. You
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, that we'd love I'd love it. I'm the first in line to get you know on a Star Trek ship. Yeah. I I volunteer, but yeah, we just don't think that's what's happening, unfortunately. We wish it were. But
Alien8Andy: No, no. So all this with your leader of the U S and disclosure.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Hmm.
Alien8Andy: Do you think, I know. do you think it's being dragged out because you haven't got anything or is it, they don't want to tell us what they've got.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: He's been thr they've been releasing some pretty tepid stuff, a lot of which had been already out,
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: from what I'm hearing. we've started it's actually an enormous tranches, and we've started combing them and it's gonna be we'll get back to you in about a year. That's how how much information
Alien8Andy: Wow. Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they gave us. But from other people who are also combing it, we're not hearing anything particularly special. No, they're they're breadcrumbs. They're just like, you know. And I'm concerned the the legacy program, which is this part of our government, this faction of our government that is doing the hiding, lying, murdering, and essentially obfuscating of this of this phenomenon, you know, they're taking a they're starting to make the same noises like the starseeds are. It's like they want us to believe in this bad alien, good air alien narrative. Right. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's bad, I think, because the then you can wipe them out and say, those were the bad aliens. Or you can crawl into bed with the bad aliens and say, well, these are the good aliens. And I I
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: for what we're seeing, every one of these different alien types are doing the exact same thing. Because they're not different aliens. And there's one agenda, one hierarchy agenda that we're dealing with.
Alien8Andy: Right. So I've got two questions for you. One is in the chat earlier. Where do reptilians fit into all this? And.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Reptilians are an indigenous terrestrial race that is actually related to the human beings. we have reptilian DNA deep within our genetic code. Okay. We think it's I'm sorry, Nana darling. I'm so sorry, darling. I didn't mean to step on you. But we're finding that they'll breed different creatures for different jobs. But they're really all just kind of variations on the gray or variations on the Nordic or whatever. But Like we've seen we've seen reports about arboreal grays, grays that are meant for tree killing or doing you know, culling or whatever they're doing up there. But
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they they have long fingers and long toes, and there's the the reptilians, people visualize them like on the internet and and movies as almost like Komodo dragons in a uniform.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But really what they are is grays. with slightly protruding muzzle areas and slightly scaly skin. But
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: then they come in big hulking gorilla size for stronger jobs maybe and and and skinny size
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that are more like the the gray proportions, you know. so we think it's all just they're they're tweaking the model that they have. They have no qualms about genetically modifying us to suit their their wants for
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: certain jobs, we think.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Thank you for that. And then next question, ARBs. So a lot of Bigfoot sightings, ARBs are seen and spirits and is that anything to do with the UFOs or is that something completely different?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Tell about Phillips orb thing. yeah. Orbs, orbs are definitely part of the phenomena. my brother in I believe it was nineteen ninety-nine or two thousand, he had just finished building his house with my dad's help in the Sonora, California area. And he was on his upper deck one night. He he had this happening for a few nights. He around around eleven, twelve o'clock at night, there did be this this orb. I think he said it was reddish, silver. that would just
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: appear on his deck and would go up and down the deck. And it was about the size of a softball. Roughly. Looking in his windows. And just, you know, going up and down about the same time.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And my brother had had strange things happen to him for a lot of his life too. So one night he had a few beers and he got he got the courage to go out and to confront it. So he went out there and this orb kind of the stock and then it rushed him and it went through his his right shoulder chest area and went out the back.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And it just happened to be that we were like about a day or two later, my it was around the holidays. Leslie, yeah, Leslie and I had, you know, we were driving up, right? So happened to be there. So Phillips started talking about this stuff, right? And then he took off part of his shirt and he showed me where it went in and where it came out. And sure enough, it was this baseball size welt from here back there. And it was bruise on his back where the exit w would have been,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know. It was it was just very, very strange. But yeah, he we he saw when in with his set of three things that happened in nineteen eighty two. When he was sixteen, again, they like you young, okay. When he is sixteen, the first night at the other house in Sonora, he was awakened by these two or three white orbs that were outside of his window. And his window had from it it went down to the creek, the stream. It was about maybe
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: twenty five feet down to the street. It was a drop. It was a drop, right. So anyway, so
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, he was looking, being of the logical mind that he was, and he was looking at these these orbs, two or three of them, and just watching them and then he blacked out. the next night was he he was awakened by this scratching sound and he thought it was his cat that was under the bed. And so he just reached down to pet the cat, right? And instead of the cat it was a a hand grabbed his wrist, not a cat. It was
Alien8Andy: Oooooh
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a hand grabbed his wrist. Like a cold and it
Alien8Andy: Yeah
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: sh it shocked him but he fell asleep he went back to sleep. So in other words like you know if you get an adrenaline rusher like that shock. Somebody grabs your arm, right? in the dark, you're not going to fall asleep. No, you might faint, but yeah. So it was the it was the fall yeah. Yeah. Right. And and and so it was the following
Alien8Andy: Yeah. No, yeah, I'm, I'm jumping out of bed and going into another room, probably another building to be honest, but.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: night that he was awakened again by some sound and he turned over and he his bedroom doorway was just maybe maybe twelve feet away and there was this tall, six and a half foot tall being just standing there looking at him, a gray. He said a tall gray. Yeah. Okay. The typical
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: one he said. He looked at it and they looked at each other and then he just blacked out again. Okay. I believe they implant hypnotic suggestions that so y you know, you'll see the alien in your room and then the alien just has to say a word or snap his fingers or or tap
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a teacup, like in the get out, you know, that movie. and then and
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: then th you're they're they're unconscious for the rest of the movie. yeah, we're we're very e we're very easy to be programmed. And and suggestible. the the human brain is very suggestible, very easy to be programmed. And we tried re recessing Steven, regressing Stephen,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: unsu unsuccessfully so far. The mental block is still in place. To
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: see what happened during those blackout periods. But I've had I've had many over the years, even recently too. So it's not anything
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that has left me. Yeah, still follows
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: them for sure. And there's an astral and psychic connection to it. It seems like And Starseeds have reported us this to us as well, where sometimes they don't take your physical body, they'll take your astral body instead. And yeah. And
Alien8Andy: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. No, I've heard that before. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so it's like it sure, it's less inconvenient, right? You know, and and we think channelers are channeling these creatures just under our feet, not 10 billion galaxies away, but
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: we're here, you know. that's why Alistair Crowley, when he drawed drew the picture of the thing he was channeling. It was a gray, you know. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. I know it's just, I know what like yourselves, everyone has fairies as to what is and what it could be. And even myself, after like speaking to you or speaking to the next guest that will be on next week, my opinions change all the time. But that's one thing that I love about this topic is
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: I like the mystery of it than not knowing the, trying to find out. just when you think it's like, right, it's gotta be this. can't be anything else. And you speak to somebody else, rip that up and stick that in the bin because it makes no sense to me anymore. But then, and it just contradicts itself all the time, but it's the only subject that you can do that in. The only one that I found.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Well for me for me, like I say, I had I had two pieces of physical proof. I the alien implant or the implant that was found because I almost lost the use of my right arm in in twenty thirteen in a military accident. Okay,
Alien8Andy: yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so that was that was something that was found quite by accident. And at the time in twenty thirteen I didn't put it together that but that was where the alien implant was, but that's really what happened to me when I was eighteen years old in nineteen seventy nine. And the
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: other thing is too that When we're when we're talking about the what is more likely, what is more likely that these beings are coming from up to like fifty-seven different planets and they all have the same agenda and they're all having intercourse with us and they're all trying to create hybrids, or is it just out of basic necessity that okay, know, hey, we went through a cataclysm and twelve thousand eight hundred and forty-two years ago. That has been established, that actually happened. We know Gobleck but we know that Gobekli Tepe is a compendium, it's a library of what happened
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: before and all the different things that are gonna happen like in the future, like you know, equip eclipses and such as that. And we said we've said for years now that we think Darren Cuyu was one of these cities dug in underground to escape the Great Flood. Right. And that after the Great Flood was over, about a thousand years after the the climate calm down again. They emerged and moved south to south east. It's only three
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: hundred miles away, off the top of the Anatolian plateau, down you know, lower elevation would be more temperate, and and set up the the Tepe Society after that. And buried the compendium afterwards to explain. The Tepes were built over hundreds of years too. I mean, yeah, they were built over hundreds, they weren't built like overnight. They were built over hundreds and hundreds of years. And guess what? The technology got worse as they went along. The techno the original the original technology was the best. It always
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: is, you And the the thing also I like about our theory too explains the cryptid phenomenon. Right. It it's almost like a unification theory of the paranormal, you know what I mean?
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And so we like that about it too.
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And on that note we should tell you our book. It's called Who They Are and What They're Up To. And it's
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: available in Spanish now as well.
Alien8Andy: Yes, I did see that. all the links are in the description, so you can click on it and go there. And you also
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Thanks. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: do, you do your own podcast as well, don't you? Our lives. Yes. So that was that.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Yes, it's called Abductions One O One UFOs and the Paranormal Connection. Because we kept finding all these paranormal connections to the phenomenon. Right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So many that we decided to name the show. I it's a crazy long title, but it's on YouTube at
Alien8Andy: Makes sense.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Obductions One O One, which is easy to find. and our documentary our documentaries out there and soon to have our second documentary. Yeah, yeah. the guy who did our first one loved how well it did. It did like 400,000 views on YouTube in a week, the first week. And so
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: he was thrilled and he's doing a second one of us and we're really we just
Alien8Andy: it.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: recorded it last Sunday and we're really looking forward
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to that. So let's see what else the documentary is called Who They Are. I know what I wanted to say. I I remember now. Sitchin a lot of people have come out to try to discredit Sitchin's work. over the years, but these latest discoveries are just proving him right again and again and again. And I think the the discrediting was a purposeful thing. They were just trying to like discredit this poor scientist who's just w wrote 10 books or 12 books or whatever it is. And you know, he had his theory and and and why why are they vilifying this poor dead scientist, right? Well, it's because
Alien8Andy: I know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: he's he's close to being right, I think, you know, like the the the Infrastructure under the Giza Plateau points to him being right. The Abzu, the mines being found in South Africa that are dating back to 200,000 years old. That's pointing to the Anunnaki being the miners, because that's predates modern man's ability to mine and it predates modern man, I think. You the Homo sapien didn't even exist 200,000 years. Homo sapiens. I I'm s I meant
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the current version didn't exist. 200,000 years ago, I don't think. Didn't.
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And so, and then these artifacts coming out of central Mexico. Yeah. they're
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: pointing to the Anunnaki footprint in the New World being true, like Sitchin pointed out to us, you know. And
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so I just wanted to go on record saying, yeah, here's our piece. It yeah, let it sharpen.
Alien8Andy: nice.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: There it is. I wanted to go on record saying we think Sitchin was A steely eyed missile
Alien8Andy: like that.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: man and should be given credit where credit is due. I he wasn't right about everything. He didn't know about the younger dry ass comet. He thought it was something else caused the great flood. But but you know, mo in the main he he was right and we kinda picked
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: up where he left off. This is a this is a polym this is a polymer resin that we can't repr reproduce. Okay. All right, it's polymer resin. And it's got all these alien. It's got the it's got the manganese, it's got manganese patina that cannot be faked. That takes thousands of years. Which only takes which takes only nature can produce this. And this is dating to circa about nine thousand years ago. And this is coming from central Mexico. You notice
Alien8Andy: But look!
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the the gray faces and the it's got on the back it's got like a rocket ship going off. And this is something
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that it feels like rock, but it also feels like almost like a cement. But this is a resin. Okay.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, but
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So it's so.
Alien8Andy: how neat the lines are. Are they drawn or are carved?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. It's almost like we think they're machine carved. They're so perfectly drawn, you know. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: because it's very, yeah, it's like it's done with a stencil or something.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. Yeah, this is this is actually fairly heavy, this piece. This is not like pumice. This is fairly heavy, and this is fairly dense, and you could even see on the back there's a a spaceship with a sperm tail. Yeah, toward the bottom. It's the bottom here. see this spaceship right here and the
Alien8Andy: yeah, yeah I can see that, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: sperm tail going off that away. There's one over here too. is that the the I'm on the wrong side, I'm sorry. Yeah. But we covering these artifacts are gray aliens having sex with human women. And then the priests are holding up the babies as offering to s to the gods. We think that the Anunnaki have had this hybrid breeding program thing for many thousands of years because the the early slaves, the grays, they were becoming non-viable hundred you know, thousands
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and thousands of years ago. So they've had to have this surface breeding genetic breeding program thing going on for Thirty eight thousand years back now that we know of. These artifacts are dating,
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the eldest are dating to thirty-eight thousand years old. Right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. We've got a couple of questions for you.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure.
Alien8Andy: So first one from Lawson. Sorry. And he's put, do you think Trump was told or the establishment kept it from him? Presidents come and go, here today, gone tomorrow. Cause he's the only get, well, they only
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: yes.
Alien8Andy: get two terms. He only get eight years max as leader.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Right we think at at some I'm sorry, darling. I'll I'll handle this. Okay. presidents do not have high enough clearance to know everything. The last one that did was either Truman or Eisenhower. Nixon didn't have high enough clearance. Actually, I think Daddy Bush may have. He was head of the CIA.
Alien8Andy: yeah, pair of them.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's it's a need to know thing. And it's partly too, like you say, it's because of they they come and go. At the most they can be there for eight years, okay. They're starting to see them as loudmouth loose cannons that'll do anything to get re-elected. Think of it this way. They're not company
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: men. Okay. Yeah. They can become private citizens after their term. They're not company men. They haven't, you know, married they aren't married to like some type of like the Illuminati. You know, once you're in, you can't get out, you know.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Just go just write a book and say, this is what was really going on with the UFOs. Not gonna happen.
Alien8Andy: Yep. No, get that. Totally.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Order.
Alien8Andy: I've said that from the beginning because they're not in power long enough. So you're not
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: going to share that nation's secrets with that one person for them after, because you might not even get an office for the second term. You might only do one like a lot of them have. So they're doing four years. So. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, they say, are you Taft man? Yeah, do have to pansy.
Alien8Andy: But it is, but it's just, it makes sense to not tell them anything. I know it's different in like, for like royal families. suppose it's same for prime ministers in the UK. We've had like 3000 in the last four years. It's like one after the other, after the
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Literally.
Alien8Andy: other. And it's like, you wouldn't trust any of them with anything. I wouldn't anyway, personally. They're getting better.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: No. I'm I'm sure they're they're not divulging how many have you had since Theresa May? Like four, you know.
Alien8Andy: Probably about 10. I don't know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: It got to the point, honestly, that I didn't know who our prime minister was for about a month because it had changed that many times. It was, I don't know who's in charge anymore. I don't think there's anyone. I think they're just letting it run itself.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, who would want the job now, the way it's becoming a revolving door, you know? It's like you
Alien8Andy: I'm out.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, you you probably heard of the the the Mandela effect, right? People throw around that term, right? And it's
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yes, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: really because of Nelson Mandela and in South Africa, you know, when they interviewed people years and years ago about Nelson Mandela, a lot of a lot of people in South Africa thought that he died in prison. They did not even know
Alien8Andy: I did.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that he was he was the head of state. It's just like, you know, it's that's affecting misinformation, you know, the Mandela effect, you know.
Alien8Andy: See, yeah, my Mandela effect is, I remember I was at school, I was in high school, I was probably like third year high school. So I'd still had another couple of years. I mean, best make the time, Paul. And it's him that told me that he goes on Nelson Mandela's died in prison. And it's all over the news. It is in the papers. This is when I was like in Manchester and
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: Then it was like it faded out and then his wife, when they, didn't she become the leader or something? I can't remember. Proper. But then in, so I moved down south in 2008. So it was about 2011, 2012 ish. I then remember seeing it on the news that Nelson Mandela died. And I'm like, how can, first thing I said is, how can he die twice? And the person
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Ha ha ha.
Alien8Andy: that was with me was like, well, what you're on about, I went, he died like 20 odd years ago. How can he die again? And he, so I still.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: think news of his death was exaggerated.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, I don't know, but it was just, it was weird, but that was my Mandela effect. I remember him when I was in my teens and then in my 30s, he did it again. So I don't know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Morgan Freeman's dead? don't say it.
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Now we we've started what are those rumors called where they're Urban Legends. Urban legends, yes, right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. The other urban legend never really anyone did it. But, another question for you. Have you had any of your own personal men in black encounters? Have you been followed, traced, tracked that you know of?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Maybe. Remember that guy in Moro Bay? Maybe. Yeah. We were we were marketing our book up in Moro Bay. We put it in the newspaper so it was it had been advertised, you know. We're outside on the street with a table and you know, our banners and that kind of stuff and this guy with dark glasses and his I guess his girlfriend, tall white guy. you know, with the black hat. Aviator glasses. He came up to
Alien8Andy: Yeah. yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: us and he looked at our book and he kind of skimmed and says, you know, keep doing what you're doing. You know, you're you're on the right track. And he just had this aura about him. Like he wasn't gonna say much more but he was intrigued and he didn't he didn't buy the book of course but but he said, you know, you're on
Alien8Andy: Damn.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the right track, you know. This Yeah, the CIA has a copy, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. He
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: just had he had this feel about him. So I I honestly I I don't I don't know. He could have been I I worry about it, I do. the y especially lately. The in the last two years or so, we did a show on this where a bunch of scientists and UFO insiders have either suddenly died or gone missing, completely missing.
Alien8Andy: Mm-hmm. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And we think this is the sign of the legacy program closing ranks and silencing People that they don't feel they can trust anymore. And I find that to be a very, very bad sign for our hope of disclosure, eventual disclosure. It seems that rather the opposite is taking place. They're closing
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: ranks, silencing witnesses, and disappearing people.
Alien8Andy: Well, that's the thing. That's what got me about these scientists. was like they're working for these different government agencies and sectors. Yeah. And now all of a sudden, probably the most important people in that field are disappearing.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, General General McCaskill, who McCaslund. McCa McCasland. Right. Okay, right. He at one point was the the head of the of the research department. for Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Where the original you know Area fifty one the Roswell crash was taken there and
Alien8Andy: Yeah, Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the and he had a handle apparently, a a pseudonym or a a false handle. Yes, he had a a social media presence presence that was, you know, hidden presence, you know, that he was trying
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to keep it clandestine. right? Yes. And and then they just and on that clandestine media source he was making noises like he wanted disclosure. And we think that was just enough to get him right killed. Or taken.
Alien8Andy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. See, that's the thing. It's just these have gone missing. Is it as... Bad is what we think it is or have they been moved to do other jobs somewhere else that we don't know exist?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, of course we'd love to hope that, but that's not what we're seeing, you know.
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: frequently a body turns up, yeah. Melissa Melissa Casillas, you know, she was gone for
Alien8Andy: yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: over a year, then she turns up in an area they'd searched before and with her gun next to her and her skeleton intact and you know, this this is the disinformation that happens over here. There's this They thought it was
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: moved by a coyote. This this supposed the supposed expert. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And at the
Alien8Andy: What? And the gun as well. He picked the gun up as well. Yeah, with its thumbs.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Ex explaining the both these cell phones being wiped and set back to factory standards. Okay. His explanation was, you know, she didn't wanna probably didn't want to be a burden on the family, so she just set back so they she'd have an e they'd have an easier time to sell the the smartphones. You know, that was he he his justification was, well, you know, the coyotes probably moved her from one spot to another. Including the gun, really, okay. And she was leaning against a cactus, supposedly. I can tell you no living person will lean against a cactus. Right. And also yes, it's like, you know, right. And and to and to
Alien8Andy: No. No. Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: wipe her smartphones, just so their family can, you know, sell them more easily. And the one that disappeared in our area, well, relatively close to our area. What's her name? Monica Monica Casillas. No, that Monica Reza. Raisa. It's not Monica. They're not both Monica's. I'm sorry. No, no, there's Melissa Cassius and Monica Reza. Monica Reza, that's it. She disappeared on a hiking trail, just poof, gone. With friends. With her beanie, a hat and a le a chapstick is the only thing. And this is not a wooded area. The our hills and mountains are kind of just scrub brush. Mm-hmm. Yeah, mean she might go through some trees, but it's it's really not like a dense forest or jungle
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: or something to get lost in and Desert behind. And she just vanished, she was only forty feet away from a friend, and then he turns around and she's gone. And I think I know it sounds nuts, but we are the abduction one one people, so here goes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But I think the legacy program and the aliens working together also
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have portal technology. Yep. They can open a portal and jerk
Alien8Andy: yeah, definitely.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you through it and close it and the only thing you'll drop will be your beanie and your chapstick. And that's why the dogs are not finding any scent trails to follow. The scent trail
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: stops at where they found the beanie or the you know, the chapstick.
Alien8Andy: Well, yes. And then it just stops. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We think they are stepping through a portal or something, you know. Yeah. Yeah. All the time. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: I was just going to say, I was just going to say Bigfoot, unless it get being beamed up or portal gateway, stargate, Same thing, different names.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: By the way, Bigfoot Bigfoot DNA is now being traced back to looks like the nuclear DNA from the father's side, which is unknown, but the but they found so far that it looks like it comes from the elongated skulls, the real ones. Go traces
Alien8Andy: yeah?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: back to about fifteen thousand years ago, back into the Middle East area. That's where the closest they've been able to get to so far. So they're looking again, that would be where the Anunnaki were, you know. Right, where they were.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And we think We think they utilize them and I know this sounds a bit wackier than everything else, but I think they use them as sentries to guard the entrances to their underground worlds. And I also and I think they may use them as just surface recon as well. And also like
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: maybe getting like elk. We know that they like elk. They seem to like elk. Yeah, food maybe food supplementation as well, you know.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So what do you think with the cows? it's strange how it's just cows that are going and all they take the odd...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Actually, nope, our we explain our theory explains this too, because we think when they retreated underground, they took herd animals with them too to to
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: for food sources, and those herds are also becoming non viable and need regular infusions of DNA from surface beasts.
Alien8Andy: Right. Got you. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right.
Alien8Andy: No, cause I was chatting about this to me mate the other day and it's like, just taking the soft tissue, the soft organs. It's like the udder, the tongue, the eyes. Yeah. Being drained, being drained of blood. So
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The sex organs for sure, every time. And the blood. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: must be something in the blood that they need.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The Anunnaki in the Sumerian tablets claim that the soul resides in the blood. And when they created the Adam, they call it the Adamu, the when they created essentially us, they had to kill a god and perform a transfusion to put the soul of the god into the body of the atom. And you know, whether this is true or not. This is what they thought in their mythologies for sure.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's always, it's always drained of blood and like say soft tissue organs, but they don't take all the organs. It's like the reproductive ones, eyes, tongue. I
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right.
Alien8Andy: know sometimes you take part of the stomach. don't say the heart or the lungs or anything like that, which you would think.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The stomach has the epithelial cells, which are the the the they're the best ones for cloning. Yeah. The epithelial
Alien8Andy: okay.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: cells. 'cause they're the most basic They're more malleable. And then and they don't have any mutationing I mean, what are they?
Alien8Andy: Rejection is no rejecting.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. So there's that too. There's yeah, so they're w yeah, they're not taking the whole animal. Why not? Why don't you just take the whole animal? You don't you don't need you don't if you already got the animal, you don't need you just need what you need. Yeah. And they can
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: also use apparently they can use the blood of the cows and the goats, they can use that. They've also evolved too, like you know, we're evolved. We're catching up actually. But
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they they've evolved to where they can they can use the blood, probably like for the grays or for other other things. You know, it's it's close enough, you know, genetically close enough to where they can tweak it. You know. And we think
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the vampire mythos, what are they after? They're after blood. And they're you know, it's it's so mirrors the alien abduction and visitation phenomenon. They're they're pale, they come at night, they're powerful, they they take paralyze you. They steal
Alien8Andy: We'll look at.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they take the same person again and again and again.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, I've got a, I've got metal signs and that on the wall and I've got one for Nosferatu. So look
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: at him, the length of the fingers, tall, pale, skinny, white, a little bit scaly.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Right. Right. Sure. Long live too. Almost immortal. Bald. They don't
Alien8Andy: So, vampire, reptilian, yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: need hair, you know, underground. They don't need it.
Alien8Andy: it's all, yeah. Cause the blood things always brought me straight back to vampires. Cause vampires are one of my, I used to love watching Tamra House of Horror, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, all the great
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure, sure.
Alien8Andy: vampire Dracula movies, even the new ones.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We've seen all too.
Alien8Andy: And it's just straight away. It's like the draining of the blood is very vampire-esque. There's got to be something to it more than them being two different things. For
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's why.
Alien8Andy: me, it doesn't make sense. It's very interesting.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, you know, there are there are numerous there are numerous, numerous stories where people have had trans transplants of organs like heart or full transfusions of blood because they were so injured. And let's say some some person person A had A negative blood, but they're had stored a whole bunch. Some person had extorted for themselves, but this other person needed it for a car accident, right? So
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so anyway, so there is a full transfusion done basically, and that person who gets that blood. starts to change. They develop abilities
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: like being able to play the piano or they have different memories or they they they act differently. It's like Now this isn't just a movie you're talking about. No, this is a different but it's a fauna. But it's a phenomena
Alien8Andy: No, no, this is real life, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it's a phenomenon that happens. No kidding. All right. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: yeah.
Alien8Andy: I know it's like when people had heart transplant, all the different organs after so long, start, you said behaving differently. And
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: then, I know family members have done research into who the organs came from, looked at how they was and they're becoming similar to how that person was when they was alive.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's right. Mm-hmm. Yep. Guess what? There must be something to the or the the soul is is in the blood, or at least certain aspects of it are for sure. Who knew? Think about it from the from the microco think about it from
Alien8Andy: Hmm. Yeah. no, I didn't.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the microcosmic level. All those elements that are in the blood, they go to every single organ, every single part of the body, go to the brain,
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: go to the heart, go to the thyroid, and so there There whatever changes or difference or the little microscopic changes that that were specific for that individual, now you've replaced all the ones that were specific to you and now they're starting to in interface with your organs. Basically it's like the software inter inter interacting with the hardware in a sense. And so yes, it is gonna rewrite s some of your code, which will then affect your behavior. It makes total sense.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So I'm just, I've got my head around, I'm just gonna say and try and get my head around it, but I've got my head around, I'm just like visualizing and picturing it. It's like just how, how that person would be feeling once they start changing, would they realize that they've started to change? Would they pick up on it or are they becoming that next person without even knowing about it?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I I think it might depend upon their level of their own self awareness.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And also to if they had a full transfusion replacement, or let's say they had, let's say, three quarters. All right. So there be maybe certain elements that would, you know, like you got your id and your ego and your super ego. A are you gonna replace all of them or is this like, you know, or just or does the other soul kind of just move in with you? Yeah, are you become spl a bit of a split personality?
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, our flatmates.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: A do yeah, dominate and dominant and subdominate. No, I want the right arm today. No, I want the right arm.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. But, you know what? It's very interesting though. Just talking about this because. It can have a massive, massive impact on everything. Not just that one person, but everyone else that that person knows. Family, friends, work.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We we we know how we know how drugs and medicines that are also interact with the blood directly, how they change how some sometimes they change your the alleles on your on your on your on your genes. You know, it can change how your alleles become either dominant or subdominant, especially just will tweak them just a little bit to where they're not you know, you can get many different changes because we have, you know, we have like basically almost like two alleles for every single gene and we have about twenty-three thousand genes. And we only have forty six
Alien8Andy: Right.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: chromosomes. So your chromosomes are like your organizers of the genes. And so if you start affecting things that are on the genes, like the alleles and things such as that, it will definitely affect behavior.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, it's just so interesting. This is one rabbit hole and if it was going to be going down, but I'm not complaining. It's just, I don't know. It's just so fascinating
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Surprise.
Alien8Andy: because to know it's just one of those things that it's gripped me.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: For me, when
Alien8Andy: And then.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I was researching this our book, I was researching for along for about 10 years, trying to make the theory fit with the idea that these are coming, these are a federation, they're coming here from all different places. And it kept not fitting and not fitting and not fitting and not fitting. And then I read a passage about someone who had the idea that that that he thought the aliens were really breakaway branches of humanity. I heard this about 20 years ago. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: when that idea hit my head, it was like a epiphany. Suddenly everything made sense. Suddenly the Anita date
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: made sense. The the the cosmic rays coming from under the ice sheet, Antarctic ice sheet. We believe there the the Admiral Byrd testimony is true that he really did meet with these underground humans, he called them, right? You know, he said they're Yep.
Alien8Andy: Yes, yeah, yeah. Well, he went twice. He went twice and the second time he took a fleet of like 26 ships and God knows whatever. Yeah, so.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, the first was the the Yeah, yeah. The armada of the Operation High Jump was attacked by flying saucers. We think
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: first, first, you know, he goes down there. his mission is dis to destroy the Nazi base. Our intelligence community
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: surmised was down there. And then he gets down there and he's attacked by flying saucers that come up out of the ocean and attack him and sink one of his ships.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, because
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So we think that after that happened, he didn't want to go back to Washington and say, I don't know who they were. And he got into his plane, flew over to the R the ice sheet, to the colossal hole that other whistleblowers have
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: confirmed exists, and flew down into the underworld and met with the men that live under the ice. The Ari the Ariane. The Ariane. He called them men,
Alien8Andy: Yes. yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, and they told him why they're abducting us. They said You know, we'll worried you're gonna kill yours you know, blow yourselves up. So we're you know, creating a gene pool kind of thing. And and you know, they didn't tell us the truth, we think entirely, because
Alien8Andy: Well...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they didn't tell us, when we need your DNA because we're going non
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: viable. But and but he said, you know, we the the master, this this alien this cousin of ours living under the the ice sheet. He said, normally we don't have anything to do with you surface barbarians and your surfing surface wars and your barbaric wars. But also a black pyramid. But we have not we ha we've had to intervene now because you're you've cracked the atom and this is a a power you shouldn't be h playing with. You shouldn't you you who don't have
Alien8Andy: Yeah, it's a big, big, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the technology to control it, you know. You don't have the emotional awareness actually. Which I think is fair, you know, and And so I think right then and there he told us the truth that they're worried about our nukes. Right. That's why they're following That's why they're learning how to turn off when they want to. You know.
Alien8Andy: Which isn't a bad thing, is it really?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, we're we're thrilled that we're on board with that part of their agenda. I I I wanted to point
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: out we're at the hour and twenty three mark. yes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So it's up to you how much longer you want to go. Keep going if you want.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, about hour and a half I I start to get cra legs cramps in my legs in this closet.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, back starts to go after about five minutes, but I'll get used to it. But I just wanted to bring up... Yeah, I just wanted to ask you
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But yeah, let's wrap it up. Was there anything else you you had a questions?
Alien8Andy: about mermaids.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mermaids. I have some ideas on it. the the Anunnaki are essentially immortal. That well they they're mortal but they live forever because of this concoction they take, supposedly.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And Galactic milk. Because they live hundreds of thousands of years, they tend to date things with the procession of the equinoxes. You know how we're l entering the age of Aquarius right now. but It it takes twenty thousand years to go through an entire to go from one procession of circul
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: procession circle. And what they do is they would mark their they would date their projects and their artwork and stuff by the zodiac. So if Enki took power in the time of Pisces, Enki is frequently depicted as half fish. Right. Or it next to a river
Alien8Andy: Got you. Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: full of fish. Or a with a fish tail or fish scales like cloak with scales. not lots of fish fish things with inky. Right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah!
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and then Enlil took power during Taurus. So you know he's always got bull horns on and he's pretty
Alien8Andy: bull. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: depicted as bulls half bull. I don't really believe that anybody has ever been half mermaid, half fish and half human. Th can they do that to us? Sure. Maybe if they want to, they could. But I don't think they are. I think it just comes from that kind of s representation in our ancient artwork. Yeah. That's where I think it comes from.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. No, no, just with him saying like, they're coming from out the oceans or in the earth, I just thinking, could there be something human stroke fish like, who knows? Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The Anunnaki could engineer it if they felt like it. It's certainly possible. So you know, did they?
Alien8Andy: No, well, I... Yeah, well, we're never going to find out unless we witness it for ourselves and... Yeah, alright.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, we catch one in a net or something, you know. Well, as as science says, but we won't believe it unless we catch it and dissect it and then we you know put you put it under a microscope. And classify it with a Latin name. Like Bigfoot. Bigfoot has a Latin name now. Yeah, they gave Bigfoot a Latin name.
Alien8Andy: Yep, and even then it'll...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's Homo sapiens cognatus.
Alien8Andy: When did you do that? Is that?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Dr. Melba Ketchum isolated in her Sasquatch Genome Project, isolated
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: 111 different examples of the DNA of Bigfoot from different individuals. And she
Alien8Andy: Wow. Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: submitted the DNA profiles to the National Zoological Society, who accepted them. And I guess Melba was allowed to name it.
Alien8Andy: So therefore, Bigfoot is now not a cryptid if it's been acknowledged by zoological.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's an accepted species. Yeah. at least the zoolog the na International Zoological Society she submitted it to says so. Yep, it's real. These are real DNA
Alien8Andy: Yeah, so therefore...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: samples from real cre a real creature, you know. So yeah, we can stop arguing about whether it's real and start the much more interesting debate as to why it's half human.
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yep. It might come out of the forest now and start intermingling with us and giving us some answers. Who knows?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Come on out. Well, we think they're they're they're on maneuvers. That's almost like they're they're branches of a military that they're sending out into enemy territory. They do their tours of duty. Yeah, they
Alien8Andy: it's like scouting. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: do their tours of duty, then they go back to their families or you know. It could it could be something like we we know we know certain things. We know that they're telepathic, at least partially telepathic. Yes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We know that they can use technology to a certain degree. We know that they can step through portals. We know that they can interfere with electromagnetic devices. They can drain
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: batteries. so we know these things. These are these are phenomena that are frequently associated, even with military people we know that have seen Bigfoot and American Indians. You know, it's it's
Alien8Andy: yeah. Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: very you get the same theme. And sightings frequently accompany UFO sightings as well. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yep. So, well, they've got to get there and get back, haven't they? So they're not, they're not getting on a bus. No. Yeah. Or a fort, sicker fort they'll get seen then. Yeah. Well, I just want to say, sorry, go on. No, no.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. Right. No, they're not. Sticking out a thumb, you know. Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, yeah. I think when they're injured, they can I'm sorry. I think when Bigfoot is injured, let's say shot, they run up and try and find the body, it's gone. I think let's say I'm a Lemurian living in underneath Mount Shasta and tonight my job is Bigfoot Wrangler. I have ten of them. I'm gonna send them out on their missions. I'm gonna arm them with a device, an electromagnetic dampening field that drains batteries, and I'm gonna give them this emergency button to hit if they need an emergency portal. And I think that's what happens. They get shot, they hit the button and they get dragged through the portal and disappear.
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Likely. Sure.
Alien8Andy: Yep. Because I know there's been reports of Bigfoot that have got like a utility bell on like an LED belt with all
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Uh-huh.
Alien8Andy: different buttons and gadgets on it. So. Is everyone lying? I don't think so. No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: No. No. Well I think I it's Bigfoot is not a natural creature. There's no like surface populations justifying
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: this many sightings. No. I think they live underground with their their alien our alien cousins. Our cousins, yes. Who are their handlers
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and they handle
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's why they're all over the place too. That's why every time there's a a UFO hotspot, there's gonna be Bigfoot hotspots too, you know? Yep. They go hand in hand.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you get one you get the other come as a package or just
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. A package deal.
Alien8Andy: what? I won't get one free. That'd be good, run it. I just want to
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yep, yep, we would.
Alien8Andy: say a massive, massive thank you for you both to come on. It's been an absolute pleasure.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's been a fun. It's been so fun. We love talking about this. We could do it all day if it weren't w if we weren't in a cool tiny closet, we could keep going.
Alien8Andy: No, thank you. But you are more than welcome to come back on again in the future and talk some more.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Wonderful. Thank you so much. someday our our book will be in a bunch of languages and on a audio book. maybe we could do a press tour again at that time, you know.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So where can people find your book? I'm guessing Amazon.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure, Amazon just type in who they are and what they're up to by Leslie and Stephen Shaw. And then our documentary in Spanish.
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, it's on Roku no I'm sorry, not Roku anymore. Tubi and Fossum and Of course YouTube. Apple
Alien8Andy: I fit tower paranormal Raul. said it's on Amazon prime.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: is it? Awesome. I didn't know that. I'll I'll
Alien8Andy: Apparently, yeah, so yeah, it's on prime
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have to make a post about that. I'll try to confirm it first. Or a second documentary should be coming up out. I'll double check it for sure.
Alien8Andy: Yes. Yes. Double check. Cause he might be making it up. No, he's normally pretty legit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just before you do anything. So thank you, Leslie and Steven. I said,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: pleasure having you on. And it's made me start thinking completely different as to what I thought previously. So, it is on prime. He's just putting there. Yeah. Yeah. It's.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: What a compliment that is, you know. That you know, we love making people think start thinking, you know. Yeah, you just said it's on prime, I see. It is. Thank you for
Alien8Andy: Yeah, it is on prime. There you go.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Tower Paranormal Investigations. Thank you.
Alien8Andy: Yes. So that's it. So,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: He confirmed. Okay.
Alien8Andy: your podcast for you got abductions 101 that's on YouTube, Spotify, Apple.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And I heart. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: I have, so it's on all the regular podcast players. Yeah. So how often do you put them out?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a few others that well we took a long summer break because of the temperatures. We live in the Palm Spring desert area and we were
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooh.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: dying, but we just came back and we we put out a weekly podcast on Fridays at three PM Pacific in the Pacific time zone.
Alien8Andy: Right. So that'll be 5 a.m. my time. Thereabouts. Yeah. Eight hours. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, because
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's not like a live show, just tune in whenever.
Alien8Andy: what I'll do, I'll find it and I'll add it to me. List of podcasts. So thank you.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: All right. Thanks.
Alien8Andy: I've got another one to listen to. Right. I won't.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And please subscribe, ladies and gentlemen out there. We need more subscribers. Because we moved platforms at one point and and dropped our followers back down to zero. So it was like ouch, you know. So help us out that way, ladies and gentlemen, please.
Alien8Andy: yeah. I know it's a big hit in it. Yep. Definitely. Like I said, all your descriptions, your links and everything are in the description even. Everything's there so anyone can click on it and it'll take you straight to it. Documentaries are in there. The books are in there. The lot. So
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Thanks so much.
Alien8Andy: well, thank you both so much for coming on and sharing everything that you have. And I shall let you...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Peace and prosperity.
Alien8Andy: Yes. I can just about do that. Right. I'll let you
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: By everybody. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: go while I finish off and definitely get you back on soon whenever you're available and we'll sort something out.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Anytime.
Alien8Andy: Perfect. Right. Thank you both. Take care. See you both later. Bye bye.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Bye.
Alien8Andy: Right. That was our guess. that's got me thinking. I ain't going to sleep tonight, especially now we're going Canock tomorrow. It's going to be even more exciting for me, and Dan. just let me find out. So we're going to be going to Canock. yeah. We're at Canock tomorrow. probably get there late afternoon. We're going to be doing some pre-recording. We're going to go out, check the areas first, see what's going on. Hopefully the weather is going to keep off because it's wet and miserable here today. And this will be our first official edited nighttime investigation. long as Dan and Mark don't get too scared and run off and drive home in panic. I'm only messing, it's only, it's only Mark who does that. I will be back on Monday. with Richard Monack, our monk, I never remember how to pronounce his name. And then myself and Nicole, we'll be back on Wednesday where we're doing a letter O of encyclopedia, encyclopedia unexplained, encyclopedia unknown, 80s ed paranormal, whatever it's called. I don't know what it's called anymore. It's been too long. And then next Friday, same time, 8 p.m. we're going to have Anka Haven joining us. So she's going to be telling us what she's about. What she does, everything that interests her. So until then, that's it. Have a wonderful weekend and I will see you guys. I'm going to try and do a live stream on the way to Cannot tomorrow before the signal gets too bad. just to keep you updated with what's going on. Got everything charged up. Got me like got the gimbal phone, laser pointer, microphones. bare minimum and dowsing rods in the car. Taking a Bluetooth speaker, going to do some, meditating in the forest, try some C5. We've got some different tracks that we're going to use and yeah. If you don't hear from us, we've been taken. Other than that, I haven't got anything else to add. So enjoy the outro and I will see you on Monday at 8pm with myself, Abbie and Richard. So take care and see you all soon. Bye bye.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: hi. Afternoon. Thanks for having us on.
Alien8Andy: you are more than welcome. Now we eventually got it sorted, but it's all good. So shall I start with the questions straight away? Should we get into it so people get to know who you are what you're about?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I think that's a good idea.
Alien8Andy: Perfect. Right. So first question is for Stephen. Your experiences began when you were just three. What's the earliest memory that still feels vivid and what makes you believe it is more than a childhood dream?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well of course when I was a child at three in nineteen sixty-three, I did not know what it was. I mean, later on I would found out that we had this family spirit guy that had been with our family bloodline from England and Germany and Scotland, Coldo Glegley.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And so anyways, the the the original memories that I have but were very physical, I would be awakened in my bed and there would be this invisible two legged entity which would be jumping on my stomach or like pressing on my stomach. It felt like it was jumping
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: like an animal, plays playfully, wasn't menacing. And it was, you know, I had my eyesight, so I I didn't see anything, but I remember laughing and it it happened on on several occasions. So that was that would be my first vivid memory from sixty three years ago.
Alien8Andy: Wow. So then, so from then, did it escalate straight away or was it slow gradual?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: No. No. It it didn't. The the next thing that I can remember, I remember when I was seven or eight years. I had two that happened when I was seven or eight. I just come back from England. I was going to school there in nineteen sixty seven summer school. So anyway, I came back and I remember sleeping in my bunk bed on the top bunk, my brother on the bottom, and I remember hearing the sound in the living room. And it was sound that I couldn't recognize. I knew it wasn't the dog and it wasn't my parents. So I I got out of the bunk bed, and this is of course the middle of the night. And I went carefully down, you know, slowly down the hallway. There was a light in on on the in the kitchen, which was in front of me, so I could see where I was going. But I remembered very, very vividly that my heart was pounding and I was sweating and I was afraid of what I was gonna see. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: As I got down the hallway and I was going to turn right, I just blacked out. And the next thing I remember is waking up in my bunk bed again, neatly tucked in, or was at least in my bunk bed, and having no clue what had happened in between the time. You know, when when you're when your heart is pounding and you're in an adrenal phase like I was,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it's not the typical thing for you just to black out. Okay. That doesn't happen. I mean you're you're
Alien8Andy: Well, total opposite, innit?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: You're yeah, you're in flight or fight mode. Okay. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that was just very, very odd. And it wasn't long after that that I saw what I call and my brother had s saw s saw them too when he turned eight years old. He was six years younger than me. But anyway, so when I was eight years old, I saw what I call these garden gnomes, your typical type of garden gnomes, five of them,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that were walking into our bedroom. And they were shimmery looking, but they were definitely walking in there creeping in. We didn't have a television, so There wasn't anything like a television involved or anything like that.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And I looked at them and I looked at them for maybe four or five seconds and then they they they caught that I was looking at them. They kind of froze and looked at me and then I and then I turned over 'cause I was, you know, a little a little scared. A little scared. My my I you know, at the
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: time I kinda like you know wrote it off until my brother told me that he started sleeping in the closet for he slept in the closet for about two years.
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Like from the age of let's say about nine to eleven. And I asked him, said Phil, why why are you sleeping in the closet? And he said, Well, I'm afraid of the little men that come at night. So when he turned about my age, when I first saw them, he started seeing them. He is on the lower bunk bed, so he would
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have more an easier viewpoint. Okay. So he was seeing the same thing that I was seeing six years later. And
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that was kind of you know, these these are still at this point in time. We were still chalking it up to our family spirit guide called Oglegli, which means in Tunisia, it means something like my friend. And you know, many people
Alien8Andy: Okay.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: had seen Olegli in different times of stress, and would always appeal appear as the same type of being, about six to six and a half foot tall, very slender, kind of elongated limbs, big eyes, sometimes would be appear as just a black man wearing a fez. To me when I was
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: eighteen appeared to as a very tall blue white being, but humanoid. And then my brother in nineteen eighty-two actually saw O'Glegley as apparently O'Glegley really is, which is a tall gray. My you know, my uncle has seen him in in Ceylon when he was in the RAF and my grandmother. We say a black man in Ceylon, but what it was is it was a very dark tent. But he could see the outline shape of him almost like a silhouette,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, and it was They always describe the shape of a tall gray. Always the same. But Steve saw it almost like an electric avatar of itself, you know, like an outline
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: of blue white electricity. And it it had physical effects on me too. Very physical effects. Yeah. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Very chipped down. It was Yeah, tell about the coins. That's
Alien8Andy: Mmm.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: wild. Well, I want to go in the order that he wants to hear. Did you did you have did you have any questions?
Alien8Andy: don't you go into any argue or whatever's relevant to you. So you...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well the most yeah, the most the most relevant thing, well there I saw my first UFO when I was twelve. And and then these abduction things seemed to come in clusters. Right. Philip had a cluster of three in one week and then Steven they they targeted they targeted he him in particular. But the whole family were witness to some of the weird events during that five days. But it was like a five day sprint of weird stuff. What's important
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: about this is that this was happening in two separate locations, three hundred and fifty miles apart at the same time to five people. Yeah. Okay. So
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: this is not something that was happening in let's say, it was a haunted house. No, no. One of the
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: houses we were building ourselves because we were cabinet makers and, you know, construction people.
Alien8Andy: Okay, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So we're doing the work ourselves in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas in California, which this happens to be one of the hottest spots in the whole country for both Bigfoot and UFO abductions, which we didn't know at the time. Okay. It just happened to be that weird, you know, woodland hills
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and they both are connected that way. So anyway, I'll just go ahead and just give you the what happened. the very first
Alien8Andy: Yeah, please.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: night yeah. My my dad was a Bobby too, by the way, in in the over in England from fifty two to fifty six. Very very, you know, level headed guy. Okay. What's all this then kind of guy, you know? Yeah, my both my parents
Alien8Andy: yeah. Yeah. So, is your dad, so your dad's from the UK or did he just live in the UK?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: are UK. My dad from Manchester, my mom from Oldham.
Alien8Andy: I'm from Manchester.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I could tell by your ac accent. Yeah. Yeah, you've got the Manchester accent, yeah, the Northern England accent, yes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. It has faded a bit. I've been living down south, 18, 17, 18 years now, but it's still there.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, his parents had faded a little in California by then too, but he could still c hear it, I'm sure. yeah, yeah, yeah. You could absolutely
Alien8Andy: Yeah, can yeah still pick it up
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: hear it. My aunt and uncle. But anyway, so my my dad
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: was a cabinet maker, he was the master, and I was the apprentice working with him and he came to breakfast and he told my sister and I said, You know, my closet door's open and closed on me last night and I thought, okay, Dad, you know, you know, it's okay. This must have been a dream. Okay. But he's insistent. But we went to work anyway, so The next night I gave my dad this book to read by Paramahansa Yogananda and I said, You know, this is some really cool philosophy, Dad. You should you should read some of this. So I I gave him this little booklet around nine o'clock at night, and he came into my room about nine thirty with this puzzled look on his face. He said, You know, Stephen, I'm I'm hearing silver bells in the wall. I said, All right. So I went into the living room and sure enough, right by the fireplace inside the wall, there is this ding ding. A very distinctive silver bell. You can't mistake
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a silver bell for any other kind of belt. It's so pure. Yeah. And and
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, we're we just looked up the chimney flu and banged on the wall. Then we got my sister. She said, Karen, come in here. And my sister was thirteen and she was kind of like, you know, in denial about a lot of things, you know, about the whole old Glegley thing. Yeah. So the first thing she
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: said when she walked in the room was like, Where's that bell coming from? 'Cause she knew we didn't have a silver bell like we were ringing. And she said, it's got from the inside wall. And not in the wall. And and she and she heard the exact same thing. You know, you don't you can't resonate a bell inside a two by four wall. Sorry, it doesn't work
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that way. Okay, so wasn't an animal. So it went on for a good ten, fifteen minutes. And we were like doing the same thing, banging on the wall and trying to figure it out. And then it it just stopped. Now the next morning, because our family was separated, we were building the house in Sonora, we would always call. before my brother went to school. And my mom, by the way, all the women in our bloodlines, going back four generations at least, were all automatic writers apart from one. They're a psychic bunch, yes. Okay. So there is that. There is a enhanced ability in that particular area, okay, for communication. So anyway, my mom said, you know, this funniest thing happened about nine fifteen, nine thirty last night. I heard the phone ring. I heard this bell and I thought it was the phone. And I I picked up the phone and there was this disembodied there's this man's voice on the other end and she thought that i he was saying I am the invisible Ambici and most likely was O'Glegley but she said Ambiche but and so I I was still kind of in denial at this point. So I got my brother on the phone who was Mr. Calculus, you know, a very, you know, level headed type of guy, you know, very brilliant.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And I said, Phil, you know, did the phone ring last night? 'Cause I knew they were in the same room. He said, No, it didn't ring, but mom picked up the phone. And she was trying to have a conversation and she was confused because she didn't recognize the voice. So when the bell was going off at our house, the phone was ringing three hundred and fifty miles apart, like
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a bell. Okay. So the next night I was sleeping in my bedroom, this time not on the on the top of the bunk bed, just on on the bottom bunk bed, and I was awakened by this whizzing sound in the air, like a Again the middle of the night. I turned over and I just kinda peered out the out the out the the bedroom door and I couldn't see anything, so I just went back to bed, just turned over and no, I was not asleep, but I got this gentle push from the base of the bed, like push, push. Like kinda like a gentle wake up, right? I thought it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: was like an earthquake. I was trying to like you know, ignore it. And then still ignored it and then push, push a little. More vi a little stronger. And then it was push, push, like wake up. And now I'm getting pretty nervous and wondering what is going on. And then I get a tap, tap, tap with like an index finger right on my deltoid, middeltoid insertion on my right arm. Because I'm laying on my left side and it goes tap,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: tap, tap. Tap it on me. Do it on me because they can't see your other arm. Tap, tap. It was like right there. Right there. That's where his implant ended up being found. That's we found the implant, yeah. Okay. But anyway, so it was so I rolled over and I said, What? Because I was both scared and I was annoyed at the same time. I thought maybe
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: someone was playing a joke on me, right? I rolled over and there was this shimmery like object, face like looking at me, and I look at it, and I look at it, maybe for about two seconds, and then I blacked out. Okay. So I told my dad, my sister about that at breakfast, and there was no way I was gonna be sleeping in that bedroom again. So I decided to sleep in my work clothes that next night and I slept on the couch in the living room and I figured, okay, what is gonna happen tonight? But I'm not gonna be in that bedroom, right? So I woke
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: up about five thirty in the morning, which is January, so it was dark, and I looked at my piano, wondering what I was gonna play that day, and I heard the fountain in other room, and just laying there relaxed, face up, and behind me was the front door. About twenty feet behind me was the front door. Okay, so It was as if when I became awake, this entity, okay, opened up this blue white door. I'll call it like a portal, okay. I could
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: sense it behind me, okay. I could sense it and it just came through, kind of walked, floated through through, in about maybe a second and a half to two seconds covered the distance, let's say second and a half, stopped right at my right side, bringing all this blue white light, kind of more blue than white. Now the light didn't go through the house, it just stopped when this entity stopped. Like this wall. It was it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: was inside the whole house. The wall just stopped. And when it stopped by my right side, the whole right side of my body is like you took a knife to it and just turned it off, turned off the nervous system. The feeling just
Alien8Andy: Ooh.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: totally went, was gone. The left side I had feeling in, but I didn't have on the right side. And the entity bent down, I could feel it bend down, and it whispered into my ear, not my head, said Hi, Steve. Okay. Just, you know, obviously it knew me, knew my name and whatnot.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And and here I'm thinking I'm gonna talk to old Glegley that I'd heard about, you know. So half of me is really excited. I'm gonna talk to this person, this entity that is, you know, from the other side. Not thinking anything about aliens at this point. Okay. And the other power hard part of me is saying, dude, you can't move, you know. what what's gonna happen? So part of me was like, Happy and excited, the other part of me was trepidatious. And so the entity kind of stayed there. And I think after about five seconds, it unbent and it went back out and the the doorway c closed behind it. I thought it was the front door at the time, but it was really kind of a portal. And I was gonna I was thinking about getting up and then I just blacked out. Okay. You know, after something like that happens, you're gonna go and
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: tell your dad or tell your sister, right? Well, no, I blacked out. And that's the signature we found for the abduction phenomenon is people will see an alien in their room and then black out. Well, yeah,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: what what happened after that was that day around eleven thirty, you know, it's it's lunchtime. So I was gonna go get some lunch for my dad and I. So I reached into my right hand side pocket to pull out the coins that I had for for lunch and I put on the table. And these were all standard American coins, nineteen seventy nine, right?
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So they're all magnetic. All the coins you can pick up. My dad could pick up by the side, by the face. It didn't matter. I had a couple of nails in there too. Those are easy to magnetize, but coins are hard to No, you can't magnetize coins. All right. So the c all the coins
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: were mag magnetic six hours after I was I was affected. Okay. And then They purposely design coins, you know, so they can't become magnetized. So they're and the the last night was when I
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: didn't have I don't have any memory of that. my dad was awakened by seeing this wall of blue white light outside my bedroom because I decided to go back to my bedroom because I said, What the heck's gonna happen? I'm as well back to bed. You know, so I went back to my bed and he saw this wall of blue white light completely encompassing my bedroom door. And his being an ex-cop was say, I'm gonna see what's going on, okay, you know, find out what's going on to my son, right? And so he was getting up out of bed to go and investigate. And there's this voice in his head told him, Jeffrey Just go back to sleep, nothing to see here. Everything's fine. Steven's fine. And that's exactly what he did. And I have absolutely no memory of that. You know, like I say,
Alien8Andy: What the
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I I've been taken for my sperm and whatever other DNA samples they
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: need for me, like my brother has. See, they want to get you when you're young, when you're relatively pure and unsullied. And why
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: not get the why not get the prime stuff? And so we know that they're after DNA and genetical genetic material. We know that for a fact. From very specific from genetic lines too. Yes. Once they find a genetic line that meets their criteria, then then they'll prey on everyone in the family and then they'll start taking the grandkids and the the I mean the kids and the grandkids and so on. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So, so I was just going to say, so once you find that line of what they need, do you know
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: what the specifics are of exactly what they're looking for?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We have some ideas from from the statistics. We look at we look at what they're doing and we look at statistics and we look at just basically what has happened. for instance, I've had the twenty three in me done like you know, Ancestry and I'm almost
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: pure Northern European with some Icelandic thrown in there and this one one one Russian. So basically I'm basically Welsh I'm Welsh, Irish, Scottish, English. you know, so The bloodline is it really has to do with necessity and what they're looking for. It's has nothing to do with racism. They seem or anything like that. Yeah, they seem to be after
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: nine out of ten c abductees are Caucasian.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And nine out of four out of ten have green eyes and four out of ten have R H negative blood. And these two are recessive traits that were much more common in our population thousands of years ago. About a hundred and fifty thousand years ago that we can
Alien8Andy: Uhhhh...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: surmise that the R H negative blood type started showing up. And it is an ancient blood. It is an ancient bloodline.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So that's what they're after. They're after Caucasian. Not just Caucasian, but Caucasians who are have some of these recessive traits they're after, more ancient bloodlines that they're after.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And but then they'll take the you know, there's still one out of ten that's something completely different. And I think they utilize the the DNA they take for different purposes. For instance, Bigfoot is half human. Yeah, that's been established. So we think that they are creating the Bigfoots down, you
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, bel we have we haven't gone into our theory yet, too far, but essentially we don't think it the We think the Anunnaki are the only aliens we're really dealing with. And the rest
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: of the alien types are their genetic chimeras that they have no problems breeding and making with our DNA. Right. You know, they've they're created essentially all these different slave races. And when the Anunnaki first made us, they the idea was to For us to be their gold miners. So we think the
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: grays were their gold miners for 300,000 years, and that's why they look like they've been underground for 300,000 years, because you know they have. And then we think the younger dryas comet was spotted by the Anunnaki and they moved their surface projects underground and
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: took their valuable slave populations with them. And then the few straggler survivors on the surface, these this the escaped slaves or you know, whatever, were us. And the few survivors were thrown back into the Stone Age, but you know, the Anunnaki kept their technology in. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so we think that the it's the Nordics that were the recently taken down slave group. And they are the ones
Alien8Andy: Okay.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: becoming non-viable living underground. And now need regular infusions of DNA from surface Caucasians.
Alien8Andy: Right, that's very interesting because then that kind of proves that they're not from elsewhere, they're from here.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Except for the Anunnaki themselves, of course. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. But I mean, like all the ones that people witness, like yourselves and,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: not have contact with is I always say, just, just
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. In fact, yeah.
Alien8Andy: because you see a craft in the sky, doesn't mean to say it's coming from outer space. It's just, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Correct. Sure. Could be coming from underground, which we think most of their UFOs are being launched from there. Right.
Alien8Andy: It's just, you're not going to fly craft along, you're not going to drive it down the road, So you're going to go up in the sky where there's nothing in the way and get to where you need to go and then bring it back down. So.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. And if if you're if you're coming from Arcturus or the or the or the system of the constellation, the Pleiades or whatever may be Sirius or the d you know, you're the first thing the n the first thing you're not gonna do is want to have sex with the with the dominant, you know, bipedal creature. And breed weird hybrids. And plus the thing is your your chromosomes have
Alien8Andy: I'm
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to line up. You have to have 64 chromosomes and they have to line up. I mean physiologically looking at chemistry and it basically because I I know this kind of stuff. If it doesn't line up, you ain't going to get a viable offspring unless you interfere at the embryonic stage. And then
Alien8Andy: yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you have to have advanced genetics and you have to have means, motive and opportunity to do it. And that's not what we were hearing from our abductees. They were saying, I was raped by my alien handler. So they're having sex with us and making
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: us pregnant. And they're supposed to be from Arcturus or the Pleiades
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: or Siri. It's a really good cover story because they want to keep us looking up and not being over. Great cover story. And that we do
Alien8Andy: Yes, not looking down. Yep. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it was sorry, I so so so sorry.
Alien8Andy: No, it's right. Go on. Carry on. It's fine.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, our research was showing that all of the different alien types were having sex with their their abductees and getting them pregnant. So that's when we realized no matter how weird they look, these are still genetically human, essentially human creatures.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. No, cause I was just going to say it's like when they've started breeding, lions and tigers, it can only do like for the Liger. It's gotta be, one of them's got to be, obviously one's got to be male and female, but you can only use like say the male tiger and the female lion. If you try it the other way around, it doesn't work. So it's this.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And they're mules, I believe. I believe they can't they're not they're not viable products. Almost all the time. Almost always.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. See that makes a lot more sense now as to what
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right.
Alien8Andy: is going on.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It explains the cryptid thing too, why people are seeing all these weird half human dogmans and mothmans and they're down there breeding all this weird stuff. There's there's some interesting stuff that has came out too recently. do you guys get the Joe Rogan show over there as a podcast? Okay. Did
Alien8Andy: Yo yes, yeah yeah yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you did you see the episode with David Grush that was on fairly recently? Yeah, last week then.
Alien8Andy: Not yet. just, I tend to scroll through and just watch the clips of it and
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Yeah. Us two actually. Well well Grush is one
Alien8Andy: haha
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: of the w is one of the intelligence officers, pretty pretty high up in the he's
Alien8Andy: Yes. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a whistleblower, right? And so he came out on the Joe Rogan show and he said specifically and he he mentioned only three different types that he has met. Okay. He's met the Nordics. Okay. He's met the Grays. And well actually he has
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: he hasn't met the reptilians, but a lot of his you know people in the intelligence agency have read the reptilians, which
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they are like three or four or five different types of reptilians. Some are more like gorillas, some are more like us. But again, we're only talking about three. Okay. He says that the the Nordics are indistinguishable for from us. Like Nord like Scandinavians. Like humans. Like Scandinavians right. Yeah. Scandinavians
Alien8Andy: Yeah, tall white pale skin. Yeah
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that have a little bit of albinoism in them, you know? Yeah.
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The bigger eyes, bigger blue eyes. and these are These are mutations we would expect to see in troglodytes. As they're underground, as they're in lower light environments, their eyes would get larger. aliens
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have been described as glowing. of course any any living creature on this planet you put in a low light environment is going to start bioluminescing more. And you know, the the bigger eye thing for the the grays. I think they just have the same kind of eyes we do, but the the pupils have grown colossal and fill the whole eye now because they're
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they've been gold mining in low light environments forever, you know. Yet a hundred plus generations, the course is gonna be changed. Yep.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's evolution or is it manufactured?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the the other thing too, when you're in a low light environment and you have nutritional needs that are different, and let's say you're working more on telepathy, which by by the way, all humans are are telepathic. We're born telepathic.
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We're we're trained not to be telepathic. So anyway when they teach us the alphabet. There is in in in in Harari's in Harari's book Sapiens, which is a really good book, came about four or five years ago, talks about the an Neanderthals and Dennis Obens Homo sapiens and all that. But anyways, he talks about the rule is the bigger the brain, the bigger the drain. And that's really, really indicative of what we're seeing. our human brain takes up about 25% of our total caloric and you know energy needs per day, okay, with our 1500cc brains, right? Now the grays across the boards, they have this mint much, much larger brain cavity, brain case than we have. So as you increase the brain size. The body selects away from the muscles. Okay. It doesn't
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have enough energy, especially with a lower caloric intake. It doesn't have enough caloric intake to be able to support big arms. The arms will get skinnier, the legs will get skinnier. You will naturally develop other parts of the brain, like the areas of the cot at Putin men and the parahippocampal gyrus. Those areas will become more enhanced. So what you're seeing are things you would expect to see from subsurface terrestrial. inhabitants that have been here for hundreds of thousands of years that can breed with us because they still have the forty-six base chromosome pair substrate. Okay, that's what they're dealing with.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Sorry. I'm just trying to take all that in. No, no, no. I understand a lot of it because I, biology
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sorry, it is a lot at once.
Alien8Andy: and I love doing all that when I was at
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yep. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: school. It was just one of them subjects that I was just so interested in. So we covered all like
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure.
Alien8Andy: the chromosomes and genetics and all that kind of stuff. No, it's okay. I finished. It's fine. Go
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: One of the things I really like sorry I did it again. There's a
Alien8Andy: on.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: ever so slight delay from England, I think.
Alien8Andy: I know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So you must you must have other questions too, right? But I wanted to
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: mention the thing about our theory. One of the things we love about our theory in particular is that it doesn't require any theoretical physics to be true. You don't have to have wormholes, you don't have to have faster than light travel, you don't have to have time travel, you don't have to have interdimensional travel. A lot of these other theories floating around about who these aliens are and what they want and they're they're require some of this theoretical physics to be true. Well and ours doesn't. Yeah, the funny thing is is that now we can actually produce portals, at least here in the United States. It's no longer a theoretical thing. So it's kind of one of these cuspy type things. Like, okay, five years ago or ten years ago, portals were still considered to be Theoretical. They're not really they're not theoretical anymore. But you know, for for instance, when I was approached my brother, certainly there was a portal involved. So at the time well, we can open they can open portals, but is that is that one of those three types of physics I was talking about? Maybe it is, maybe it's interdimensional travel, and but you know, our theories don't really require it. It's it's just that the only aliens involved are the Anunnaki. And they are supposedly on a planet that's in our solar system still. It's part of our solar system, just cruises through every thirty, six hundred years or something. And so they don't even have to c have interstellar drive to get here. They just wait till the planet cruises through the so the inner solar system and jump off and come here for their resource. But they use us as a resource planet.
Alien8Andy: Well, here's the question. Yeah. Could that be free iAtlas?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I definitely think three eye atlas was an artificially constructed thing. And whether it's from the Anunnaki or not, I I can't be sure. But it made like five course corrections and then it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: turned green and as it flew over Mars it killed the Maven orbiter and it sent out radio signals too, like two of them, you know. so interstellar space, there's a lot of misinformation about that. Okay, when you talk you know When people most people think of interstellar space, they think outside the solar system. Interstellar interstellar space is defined as when you are in a area of the solar system that is beyond the influence of our sun's heliosphere, and each astronomical unit is ninety-three million miles. That's the mean average distance the Earth is from the sun. So we call them astronomical units or AUs. So when you get To about a hundred astronomical units, which is just under ten billion miles, you become beyond the influence of the sun's heliosphere, and that is considered interstellar space. That's the inner solar system, and then the outer one is and then you go you keep on and you get
Alien8Andy: Got you. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to the or cloud. The orc cloud is two hundred billion miles. No, two hundred thousand one up between one hundred and fifty and two hundred thousand astronomical units. That's where all the big a lot of the comets come from and a lot of the The objects that are saying they're coming from outside the they're actually really coming from either your cloud or from beyond in the interstellar space. And Nibiru,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: planet of the Anunnaki, is supposed to orbit a brown dwarf in our solar system about 500, I'm sorry, 50 billion miles away. Or 500 astronomical units. In the direction of Orion. And interestingly, in the 80s, a infrared telescope. discovered a brown dwarf in the direction of Orion. Right. And that information practically scrubbed off the world. It took me I had it took me days of s of scrolling through stuff to try and find any information about it. And that's where we get to this like the legacy program. We think our government discovered these creatures living under our feet. Our cousins. And they want their technology. So And that and the aliens wanna keep taking our citizens. So they made a deal. Look, go ahead and take the DNA you need, but just put back. Make sure to put them back. And you
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: can give us some of your technology and trade, you know. This that's kind of a nutshell their thing, you know.
Alien8Andy: I, yeah, I was actually talking about this the other day about the, sort of deal that's been set up. So because why else?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yes, absolutely. It's it's pretty clear. You know, we were just coming out of the Second World War. We said had two world wars and we were just moving almost directly into the Cold War. Then of course we had the Korean conflict, the Korean War. And so there's all this paranoia, especially with you know with Russia and United States. So obviously you wouldn't want them to get the upper hand on what we were considering to be alien or like exotic technology. So certainly that's why we created MJ twelve, Majestic Twelve, and then we created the CIA and we created all these different clandestine organizations
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and the NSA. And the NSA to control the flow of information. You don't want this information getting out.
Alien8Andy: No, no, it's...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And to this day they're still following our military. They're scared of our nukes. Why? They live here. Right. That's why they're following our our
Alien8Andy: yeah!
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: our military every single t maneuver we do, you know.
Alien8Andy: See that's, that's always puzzled me as to why they'd
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: switching off the warheads, like the disarming them and that. It's like, if they're not from here, what, what relevance would it have? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Save us having to do it. But
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Why would they care? Blow yourselves up You know. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: obviously like, yeah, why we're not putting two and two together.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's it's their actions, not their words. Always follow what they do, not what they say. That's what we did. We spent
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: thirty years watching what they were doing. Mm-hmm. Not what
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they're saying. Because they they're making up all this weird stuff. They the aliens that aren't really aliens, one thing they do is they recruit starseeds from amongst our population. They're just
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: abductees that are part of their breeding program, you know, but they
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they utilize the influence of their mind control, hypnosis plus emotional flooding into and so that's like rises to the level of brainwashing. So they're using brainwashing techniques and they use the previous children as leverage. This person's already given them four children, not voluntarily, but
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: then there's you they use the children as a recruitment tool as well. So They recruit them in and they start lying to them about we think it's a lie. This whole federation. we're we're altruistically here to help you. We're part of a federation of a bunch of different aliens from a bunch of different star systems. And you're you'll help us by giving us thirty children, won't you? Yeah. We need your children. We need thirty of them, please? Yeah. Again, you gotta look at what are the means, the motive op motive and the you know, means motive and what's the other one? Means motive and opportunity. Opportunity. Means, opportunity,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and motive. Okay, why why why would they why would be they would be needing so many kids? what? They're recruiting to fight in one of their wars or are they actually trying to replace Homo sapiens sapiens with a less violent version? Species. Yeah, maybe they're trying to t tweak our species
Alien8Andy: you fit
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: around, you know. Sure, why not? They've been doing it all along.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Would you think someone put it in the chat early? Do you think they could be, trying to repopulate somewhere else?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, I think they're when they went underground, I think the Anunnaki can survive underground just fine. But humans can't for any particularly long time. So they've been doing this hybrid alien breeding program for a couple of thousand years, we think. it
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it goes back to the succubus and incubus stories.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a woman is raped by an incubus and she gets pregnant and then four months later she gives birth to nothing but air. It's like the the the pregnancy happens but it doesn't finish and the fetus just vanishes. This is the alien abduction, I mean the alien hybrid breeding program to the T, you know. So we think they're just maybe maybe their slave races are becoming non viable down there and they just need to replenish them with DNA from the surface. Yeah. See see the thing is if they if they were actually getting these babies born. And maturing them in a in a some type of a a vat. Yeah, which has been seen which has been seen by whistleblowers. Okay, they would still be being born in the environment of the earth or they'd have to be taken off planet. But then again, then you'd have to suspend belief about them having the technology and the ability and the forethought to start doing this and using us as the base and moving us all all the babies and all the fetuses off planet
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and what for what? for for fighting in a war, for repopulating the planet or or for what? It that makes absolute that's such a leap that you have to make. But if they are here and they actually are existing and they need us, which apparently they do, they they love to play God for a couple thousand years. Now they can't get away with that anymore. Now they're playing
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they're playing space aliens and they keep on having us look in the wrong direction. Yeah. You know? And it's funny 'cause the Nordics, th they're just you know, they you know what the Nordics look like, right?
Alien8Andy: Yeah, I think I've seen one.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But the Arcturians, they're supposed to be blue. They look just like the Nordics, but they're blue. The Pleiades. It's in a blue spotlight. That's why it's not and the white ones, they're supposed to be white. Yeah, they just blast them with a white spotlight. It's just they're trying to pretend to be all these different races, but they're
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: from different star systems and stuff. It's just part of the lie we think to their star seeds. And their star seeds are spreading in there's a galactic federation and they love us and It's just they pulled it straight out of Star Trek. It's a what we wanna hearism. Yeah. You
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, that we'd love I'd love it. I'm the first in line to get you know on a Star Trek ship. Yeah. I I volunteer, but yeah, we just don't think that's what's happening, unfortunately. We wish it were. But
Alien8Andy: No, no. So all this with your leader of the U S and disclosure.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Hmm.
Alien8Andy: Do you think, I know. do you think it's being dragged out because you haven't got anything or is it, they don't want to tell us what they've got.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: He's been thr they've been releasing some pretty tepid stuff, a lot of which had been already out,
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: from what I'm hearing. we've started it's actually an enormous tranches, and we've started combing them and it's gonna be we'll get back to you in about a year. That's how how much information
Alien8Andy: Wow. Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they gave us. But from other people who are also combing it, we're not hearing anything particularly special. No, they're they're breadcrumbs. They're just like, you know. And I'm concerned the the legacy program, which is this part of our government, this faction of our government that is doing the hiding, lying, murdering, and essentially obfuscating of this of this phenomenon, you know, they're taking a they're starting to make the same noises like the starseeds are. It's like they want us to believe in this bad alien, good air alien narrative. Right. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's bad, I think, because the then you can wipe them out and say, those were the bad aliens. Or you can crawl into bed with the bad aliens and say, well, these are the good aliens. And I I
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: for what we're seeing, every one of these different alien types are doing the exact same thing. Because they're not different aliens. And there's one agenda, one hierarchy agenda that we're dealing with.
Alien8Andy: Right. So I've got two questions for you. One is in the chat earlier. Where do reptilians fit into all this? And.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Reptilians are an indigenous terrestrial race that is actually related to the human beings. we have reptilian DNA deep within our genetic code. Okay. We think it's I'm sorry, Nana darling. I'm so sorry, darling. I didn't mean to step on you. But we're finding that they'll breed different creatures for different jobs. But they're really all just kind of variations on the gray or variations on the Nordic or whatever. But Like we've seen we've seen reports about arboreal grays, grays that are meant for tree killing or doing you know, culling or whatever they're doing up there. But
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they they have long fingers and long toes, and there's the the reptilians, people visualize them like on the internet and and movies as almost like Komodo dragons in a uniform.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But really what they are is grays. with slightly protruding muzzle areas and slightly scaly skin. But
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: then they come in big hulking gorilla size for stronger jobs maybe and and and skinny size
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that are more like the the gray proportions, you know. so we think it's all just they're they're tweaking the model that they have. They have no qualms about genetically modifying us to suit their their wants for
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: certain jobs, we think.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Thank you for that. And then next question, ARBs. So a lot of Bigfoot sightings, ARBs are seen and spirits and is that anything to do with the UFOs or is that something completely different?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Tell about Phillips orb thing. yeah. Orbs, orbs are definitely part of the phenomena. my brother in I believe it was nineteen ninety-nine or two thousand, he had just finished building his house with my dad's help in the Sonora, California area. And he was on his upper deck one night. He he had this happening for a few nights. He around around eleven, twelve o'clock at night, there did be this this orb. I think he said it was reddish, silver. that would just
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: appear on his deck and would go up and down the deck. And it was about the size of a softball. Roughly. Looking in his windows. And just, you know, going up and down about the same time.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And my brother had had strange things happen to him for a lot of his life too. So one night he had a few beers and he got he got the courage to go out and to confront it. So he went out there and this orb kind of the stock and then it rushed him and it went through his his right shoulder chest area and went out the back.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And it just happened to be that we were like about a day or two later, my it was around the holidays. Leslie, yeah, Leslie and I had, you know, we were driving up, right? So happened to be there. So Phillips started talking about this stuff, right? And then he took off part of his shirt and he showed me where it went in and where it came out. And sure enough, it was this baseball size welt from here back there. And it was bruise on his back where the exit w would have been,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know. It was it was just very, very strange. But yeah, he we he saw when in with his set of three things that happened in nineteen eighty two. When he was sixteen, again, they like you young, okay. When he is sixteen, the first night at the other house in Sonora, he was awakened by these two or three white orbs that were outside of his window. And his window had from it it went down to the creek, the stream. It was about maybe
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: twenty five feet down to the street. It was a drop. It was a drop, right. So anyway, so
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, he was looking, being of the logical mind that he was, and he was looking at these these orbs, two or three of them, and just watching them and then he blacked out. the next night was he he was awakened by this scratching sound and he thought it was his cat that was under the bed. And so he just reached down to pet the cat, right? And instead of the cat it was a a hand grabbed his wrist, not a cat. It was
Alien8Andy: Oooooh
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a hand grabbed his wrist. Like a cold and it
Alien8Andy: Yeah
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: sh it shocked him but he fell asleep he went back to sleep. So in other words like you know if you get an adrenaline rusher like that shock. Somebody grabs your arm, right? in the dark, you're not going to fall asleep. No, you might faint, but yeah. So it was the it was the fall yeah. Yeah. Right. And and and so it was the following
Alien8Andy: Yeah. No, yeah, I'm, I'm jumping out of bed and going into another room, probably another building to be honest, but.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: night that he was awakened again by some sound and he turned over and he his bedroom doorway was just maybe maybe twelve feet away and there was this tall, six and a half foot tall being just standing there looking at him, a gray. He said a tall gray. Yeah. Okay. The typical
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: one he said. He looked at it and they looked at each other and then he just blacked out again. Okay. I believe they implant hypnotic suggestions that so y you know, you'll see the alien in your room and then the alien just has to say a word or snap his fingers or or tap
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: a teacup, like in the get out, you know, that movie. and then and
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: then th you're they're they're unconscious for the rest of the movie. yeah, we're we're very e we're very easy to be programmed. And and suggestible. the the human brain is very suggestible, very easy to be programmed. And we tried re recessing Steven, regressing Stephen,
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: unsu unsuccessfully so far. The mental block is still in place. To
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: see what happened during those blackout periods. But I've had I've had many over the years, even recently too. So it's not anything
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that has left me. Yeah, still follows
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: them for sure. And there's an astral and psychic connection to it. It seems like And Starseeds have reported us this to us as well, where sometimes they don't take your physical body, they'll take your astral body instead. And yeah. And
Alien8Andy: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. No, I've heard that before. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so it's like it sure, it's less inconvenient, right? You know, and and we think channelers are channeling these creatures just under our feet, not 10 billion galaxies away, but
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: we're here, you know. that's why Alistair Crowley, when he drawed drew the picture of the thing he was channeling. It was a gray, you know. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. I know it's just, I know what like yourselves, everyone has fairies as to what is and what it could be. And even myself, after like speaking to you or speaking to the next guest that will be on next week, my opinions change all the time. But that's one thing that I love about this topic is
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: I like the mystery of it than not knowing the, trying to find out. just when you think it's like, right, it's gotta be this. can't be anything else. And you speak to somebody else, rip that up and stick that in the bin because it makes no sense to me anymore. But then, and it just contradicts itself all the time, but it's the only subject that you can do that in. The only one that I found.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Well for me for me, like I say, I had I had two pieces of physical proof. I the alien implant or the implant that was found because I almost lost the use of my right arm in in twenty thirteen in a military accident. Okay,
Alien8Andy: yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so that was that was something that was found quite by accident. And at the time in twenty thirteen I didn't put it together that but that was where the alien implant was, but that's really what happened to me when I was eighteen years old in nineteen seventy nine. And the
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: other thing is too that When we're when we're talking about the what is more likely, what is more likely that these beings are coming from up to like fifty-seven different planets and they all have the same agenda and they're all having intercourse with us and they're all trying to create hybrids, or is it just out of basic necessity that okay, know, hey, we went through a cataclysm and twelve thousand eight hundred and forty-two years ago. That has been established, that actually happened. We know Gobleck but we know that Gobekli Tepe is a compendium, it's a library of what happened
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: before and all the different things that are gonna happen like in the future, like you know, equip eclipses and such as that. And we said we've said for years now that we think Darren Cuyu was one of these cities dug in underground to escape the Great Flood. Right. And that after the Great Flood was over, about a thousand years after the the climate calm down again. They emerged and moved south to south east. It's only three
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: hundred miles away, off the top of the Anatolian plateau, down you know, lower elevation would be more temperate, and and set up the the Tepe Society after that. And buried the compendium afterwards to explain. The Tepes were built over hundreds of years too. I mean, yeah, they were built over hundreds, they weren't built like overnight. They were built over hundreds and hundreds of years. And guess what? The technology got worse as they went along. The techno the original the original technology was the best. It always
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: is, you And the the thing also I like about our theory too explains the cryptid phenomenon. Right. It it's almost like a unification theory of the paranormal, you know what I mean?
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And so we like that about it too.
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And on that note we should tell you our book. It's called Who They Are and What They're Up To. And it's
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: available in Spanish now as well.
Alien8Andy: Yes, I did see that. all the links are in the description, so you can click on it and go there. And you also
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Thanks. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: do, you do your own podcast as well, don't you? Our lives. Yes. So that was that.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Yes, it's called Abductions One O One UFOs and the Paranormal Connection. Because we kept finding all these paranormal connections to the phenomenon. Right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So many that we decided to name the show. I it's a crazy long title, but it's on YouTube at
Alien8Andy: Makes sense.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Obductions One O One, which is easy to find. and our documentary our documentaries out there and soon to have our second documentary. Yeah, yeah. the guy who did our first one loved how well it did. It did like 400,000 views on YouTube in a week, the first week. And so
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: he was thrilled and he's doing a second one of us and we're really we just
Alien8Andy: it.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: recorded it last Sunday and we're really looking forward
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to that. So let's see what else the documentary is called Who They Are. I know what I wanted to say. I I remember now. Sitchin a lot of people have come out to try to discredit Sitchin's work. over the years, but these latest discoveries are just proving him right again and again and again. And I think the the discrediting was a purposeful thing. They were just trying to like discredit this poor scientist who's just w wrote 10 books or 12 books or whatever it is. And you know, he had his theory and and and why why are they vilifying this poor dead scientist, right? Well, it's because
Alien8Andy: I know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: he's he's close to being right, I think, you know, like the the the Infrastructure under the Giza Plateau points to him being right. The Abzu, the mines being found in South Africa that are dating back to 200,000 years old. That's pointing to the Anunnaki being the miners, because that's predates modern man's ability to mine and it predates modern man, I think. You the Homo sapien didn't even exist 200,000 years. Homo sapiens. I I'm s I meant
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the current version didn't exist. 200,000 years ago, I don't think. Didn't.
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And so, and then these artifacts coming out of central Mexico. Yeah. they're
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: pointing to the Anunnaki footprint in the New World being true, like Sitchin pointed out to us, you know. And
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so I just wanted to go on record saying, yeah, here's our piece. It yeah, let it sharpen.
Alien8Andy: nice.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: There it is. I wanted to go on record saying we think Sitchin was A steely eyed missile
Alien8Andy: like that.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: man and should be given credit where credit is due. I he wasn't right about everything. He didn't know about the younger dry ass comet. He thought it was something else caused the great flood. But but you know, mo in the main he he was right and we kinda picked
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: up where he left off. This is a this is a polym this is a polymer resin that we can't repr reproduce. Okay. All right, it's polymer resin. And it's got all these alien. It's got the it's got the manganese, it's got manganese patina that cannot be faked. That takes thousands of years. Which only takes which takes only nature can produce this. And this is dating to circa about nine thousand years ago. And this is coming from central Mexico. You notice
Alien8Andy: But look!
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the the gray faces and the it's got on the back it's got like a rocket ship going off. And this is something
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that it feels like rock, but it also feels like almost like a cement. But this is a resin. Okay.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, but
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So it's so.
Alien8Andy: how neat the lines are. Are they drawn or are carved?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. It's almost like we think they're machine carved. They're so perfectly drawn, you know. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: because it's very, yeah, it's like it's done with a stencil or something.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. Yeah, this is this is actually fairly heavy, this piece. This is not like pumice. This is fairly heavy, and this is fairly dense, and you could even see on the back there's a a spaceship with a sperm tail. Yeah, toward the bottom. It's the bottom here. see this spaceship right here and the
Alien8Andy: yeah, yeah I can see that, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: sperm tail going off that away. There's one over here too. is that the the I'm on the wrong side, I'm sorry. Yeah. But we covering these artifacts are gray aliens having sex with human women. And then the priests are holding up the babies as offering to s to the gods. We think that the Anunnaki have had this hybrid breeding program thing for many thousands of years because the the early slaves, the grays, they were becoming non-viable hundred you know, thousands
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and thousands of years ago. So they've had to have this surface breeding genetic breeding program thing going on for Thirty eight thousand years back now that we know of. These artifacts are dating,
Alien8Andy: Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the eldest are dating to thirty-eight thousand years old. Right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. We've got a couple of questions for you.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure.
Alien8Andy: So first one from Lawson. Sorry. And he's put, do you think Trump was told or the establishment kept it from him? Presidents come and go, here today, gone tomorrow. Cause he's the only get, well, they only
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: yes.
Alien8Andy: get two terms. He only get eight years max as leader.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Right we think at at some I'm sorry, darling. I'll I'll handle this. Okay. presidents do not have high enough clearance to know everything. The last one that did was either Truman or Eisenhower. Nixon didn't have high enough clearance. Actually, I think Daddy Bush may have. He was head of the CIA.
Alien8Andy: yeah, pair of them.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's it's a need to know thing. And it's partly too, like you say, it's because of they they come and go. At the most they can be there for eight years, okay. They're starting to see them as loudmouth loose cannons that'll do anything to get re-elected. Think of it this way. They're not company
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: men. Okay. Yeah. They can become private citizens after their term. They're not company men. They haven't, you know, married they aren't married to like some type of like the Illuminati. You know, once you're in, you can't get out, you know.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Just go just write a book and say, this is what was really going on with the UFOs. Not gonna happen.
Alien8Andy: Yep. No, get that. Totally.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Order.
Alien8Andy: I've said that from the beginning because they're not in power long enough. So you're not
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: going to share that nation's secrets with that one person for them after, because you might not even get an office for the second term. You might only do one like a lot of them have. So they're doing four years. So. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, they say, are you Taft man? Yeah, do have to pansy.
Alien8Andy: But it is, but it's just, it makes sense to not tell them anything. I know it's different in like, for like royal families. suppose it's same for prime ministers in the UK. We've had like 3000 in the last four years. It's like one after the other, after the
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Literally.
Alien8Andy: other. And it's like, you wouldn't trust any of them with anything. I wouldn't anyway, personally. They're getting better.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: No. I'm I'm sure they're they're not divulging how many have you had since Theresa May? Like four, you know.
Alien8Andy: Probably about 10. I don't know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah.
Alien8Andy: It got to the point, honestly, that I didn't know who our prime minister was for about a month because it had changed that many times. It was, I don't know who's in charge anymore. I don't think there's anyone. I think they're just letting it run itself.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, who would want the job now, the way it's becoming a revolving door, you know? It's like you
Alien8Andy: I'm out.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: know, you you probably heard of the the the Mandela effect, right? People throw around that term, right? And it's
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yes, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: really because of Nelson Mandela and in South Africa, you know, when they interviewed people years and years ago about Nelson Mandela, a lot of a lot of people in South Africa thought that he died in prison. They did not even know
Alien8Andy: I did.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: that he was he was the head of state. It's just like, you know, it's that's affecting misinformation, you know, the Mandela effect, you know.
Alien8Andy: See, yeah, my Mandela effect is, I remember I was at school, I was in high school, I was probably like third year high school. So I'd still had another couple of years. I mean, best make the time, Paul. And it's him that told me that he goes on Nelson Mandela's died in prison. And it's all over the news. It is in the papers. This is when I was like in Manchester and
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: Then it was like it faded out and then his wife, when they, didn't she become the leader or something? I can't remember. Proper. But then in, so I moved down south in 2008. So it was about 2011, 2012 ish. I then remember seeing it on the news that Nelson Mandela died. And I'm like, how can, first thing I said is, how can he die twice? And the person
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Ha ha ha.
Alien8Andy: that was with me was like, well, what you're on about, I went, he died like 20 odd years ago. How can he die again? And he, so I still.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: think news of his death was exaggerated.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, I don't know, but it was just, it was weird, but that was my Mandela effect. I remember him when I was in my teens and then in my 30s, he did it again. So I don't know.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Morgan Freeman's dead? don't say it.
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Now we we've started what are those rumors called where they're Urban Legends. Urban legends, yes, right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. The other urban legend never really anyone did it. But, another question for you. Have you had any of your own personal men in black encounters? Have you been followed, traced, tracked that you know of?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Maybe. Remember that guy in Moro Bay? Maybe. Yeah. We were we were marketing our book up in Moro Bay. We put it in the newspaper so it was it had been advertised, you know. We're outside on the street with a table and you know, our banners and that kind of stuff and this guy with dark glasses and his I guess his girlfriend, tall white guy. you know, with the black hat. Aviator glasses. He came up to
Alien8Andy: Yeah. yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: us and he looked at our book and he kind of skimmed and says, you know, keep doing what you're doing. You know, you're you're on the right track. And he just had this aura about him. Like he wasn't gonna say much more but he was intrigued and he didn't he didn't buy the book of course but but he said, you know, you're on
Alien8Andy: Damn.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the right track, you know. This Yeah, the CIA has a copy, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. He
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: just had he had this feel about him. So I I honestly I I don't I don't know. He could have been I I worry about it, I do. the y especially lately. The in the last two years or so, we did a show on this where a bunch of scientists and UFO insiders have either suddenly died or gone missing, completely missing.
Alien8Andy: Mm-hmm. Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And we think this is the sign of the legacy program closing ranks and silencing People that they don't feel they can trust anymore. And I find that to be a very, very bad sign for our hope of disclosure, eventual disclosure. It seems that rather the opposite is taking place. They're closing
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: ranks, silencing witnesses, and disappearing people.
Alien8Andy: Well, that's the thing. That's what got me about these scientists. was like they're working for these different government agencies and sectors. Yeah. And now all of a sudden, probably the most important people in that field are disappearing.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, General General McCaskill, who McCaslund. McCa McCasland. Right. Okay, right. He at one point was the the head of the of the research department. for Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Where the original you know Area fifty one the Roswell crash was taken there and
Alien8Andy: Yeah, Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the and he had a handle apparently, a a pseudonym or a a false handle. Yes, he had a a social media presence presence that was, you know, hidden presence, you know, that he was trying
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: to keep it clandestine. right? Yes. And and then they just and on that clandestine media source he was making noises like he wanted disclosure. And we think that was just enough to get him right killed. Or taken.
Alien8Andy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. See, that's the thing. It's just these have gone missing. Is it as... Bad is what we think it is or have they been moved to do other jobs somewhere else that we don't know exist?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, of course we'd love to hope that, but that's not what we're seeing, you know.
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: frequently a body turns up, yeah. Melissa Melissa Casillas, you know, she was gone for
Alien8Andy: yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: over a year, then she turns up in an area they'd searched before and with her gun next to her and her skeleton intact and you know, this this is the disinformation that happens over here. There's this They thought it was
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: moved by a coyote. This this supposed the supposed expert. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And at the
Alien8Andy: What? And the gun as well. He picked the gun up as well. Yeah, with its thumbs.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Ex explaining the both these cell phones being wiped and set back to factory standards. Okay. His explanation was, you know, she didn't wanna probably didn't want to be a burden on the family, so she just set back so they she'd have an e they'd have an easier time to sell the the smartphones. You know, that was he he his justification was, well, you know, the coyotes probably moved her from one spot to another. Including the gun, really, okay. And she was leaning against a cactus, supposedly. I can tell you no living person will lean against a cactus. Right. And also yes, it's like, you know, right. And and to and to
Alien8Andy: No. No. Wow.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: wipe her smartphones, just so their family can, you know, sell them more easily. And the one that disappeared in our area, well, relatively close to our area. What's her name? Monica Monica Casillas. No, that Monica Reza. Raisa. It's not Monica. They're not both Monica's. I'm sorry. No, no, there's Melissa Cassius and Monica Reza. Monica Reza, that's it. She disappeared on a hiking trail, just poof, gone. With friends. With her beanie, a hat and a le a chapstick is the only thing. And this is not a wooded area. The our hills and mountains are kind of just scrub brush. Mm-hmm. Yeah, mean she might go through some trees, but it's it's really not like a dense forest or jungle
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: or something to get lost in and Desert behind. And she just vanished, she was only forty feet away from a friend, and then he turns around and she's gone. And I think I know it sounds nuts, but we are the abduction one one people, so here goes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But I think the legacy program and the aliens working together also
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have portal technology. Yep. They can open a portal and jerk
Alien8Andy: yeah, definitely.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you through it and close it and the only thing you'll drop will be your beanie and your chapstick. And that's why the dogs are not finding any scent trails to follow. The scent trail
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: stops at where they found the beanie or the you know, the chapstick.
Alien8Andy: Well, yes. And then it just stops. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We think they are stepping through a portal or something, you know. Yeah. Yeah. All the time. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: I was just going to say, I was just going to say Bigfoot, unless it get being beamed up or portal gateway, stargate, Same thing, different names.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: By the way, Bigfoot Bigfoot DNA is now being traced back to looks like the nuclear DNA from the father's side, which is unknown, but the but they found so far that it looks like it comes from the elongated skulls, the real ones. Go traces
Alien8Andy: yeah?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: back to about fifteen thousand years ago, back into the Middle East area. That's where the closest they've been able to get to so far. So they're looking again, that would be where the Anunnaki were, you know. Right, where they were.
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And we think We think they utilize them and I know this sounds a bit wackier than everything else, but I think they use them as sentries to guard the entrances to their underground worlds. And I also and I think they may use them as just surface recon as well. And also like
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: maybe getting like elk. We know that they like elk. They seem to like elk. Yeah, food maybe food supplementation as well, you know.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So what do you think with the cows? it's strange how it's just cows that are going and all they take the odd...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Actually, nope, our we explain our theory explains this too, because we think when they retreated underground, they took herd animals with them too to to
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: for food sources, and those herds are also becoming non viable and need regular infusions of DNA from surface beasts.
Alien8Andy: Right. Got you. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right.
Alien8Andy: No, cause I was chatting about this to me mate the other day and it's like, just taking the soft tissue, the soft organs. It's like the udder, the tongue, the eyes. Yeah. Being drained, being drained of blood. So
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The sex organs for sure, every time. And the blood. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: must be something in the blood that they need.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The Anunnaki in the Sumerian tablets claim that the soul resides in the blood. And when they created the Adam, they call it the Adamu, the when they created essentially us, they had to kill a god and perform a transfusion to put the soul of the god into the body of the atom. And you know, whether this is true or not. This is what they thought in their mythologies for sure.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's always, it's always drained of blood and like say soft tissue organs, but they don't take all the organs. It's like the reproductive ones, eyes, tongue. I
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right.
Alien8Andy: know sometimes you take part of the stomach. don't say the heart or the lungs or anything like that, which you would think.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The stomach has the epithelial cells, which are the the the they're the best ones for cloning. Yeah. The epithelial
Alien8Andy: okay.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: cells. 'cause they're the most basic They're more malleable. And then and they don't have any mutationing I mean, what are they?
Alien8Andy: Rejection is no rejecting.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. So there's that too. There's yeah, so they're w yeah, they're not taking the whole animal. Why not? Why don't you just take the whole animal? You don't you don't need you don't if you already got the animal, you don't need you just need what you need. Yeah. And they can
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: also use apparently they can use the blood of the cows and the goats, they can use that. They've also evolved too, like you know, we're evolved. We're catching up actually. But
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they they've evolved to where they can they can use the blood, probably like for the grays or for other other things. You know, it's it's close enough, you know, genetically close enough to where they can tweak it. You know. And we think
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the vampire mythos, what are they after? They're after blood. And they're you know, it's it's so mirrors the alien abduction and visitation phenomenon. They're they're pale, they come at night, they're powerful, they they take paralyze you. They steal
Alien8Andy: We'll look at.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they take the same person again and again and again.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, I've got a, I've got metal signs and that on the wall and I've got one for Nosferatu. So look
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: at him, the length of the fingers, tall, pale, skinny, white, a little bit scaly.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Right. Right. Sure. Long live too. Almost immortal. Bald. They don't
Alien8Andy: So, vampire, reptilian, yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: need hair, you know, underground. They don't need it.
Alien8Andy: it's all, yeah. Cause the blood things always brought me straight back to vampires. Cause vampires are one of my, I used to love watching Tamra House of Horror, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, all the great
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure, sure.
Alien8Andy: vampire Dracula movies, even the new ones.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We've seen all too.
Alien8Andy: And it's just straight away. It's like the draining of the blood is very vampire-esque. There's got to be something to it more than them being two different things. For
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's why.
Alien8Andy: me, it doesn't make sense. It's very interesting.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, you know, there are there are numerous there are numerous, numerous stories where people have had trans transplants of organs like heart or full transfusions of blood because they were so injured. And let's say some some person person A had A negative blood, but they're had stored a whole bunch. Some person had extorted for themselves, but this other person needed it for a car accident, right? So
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: so anyway, so there is a full transfusion done basically, and that person who gets that blood. starts to change. They develop abilities
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: like being able to play the piano or they have different memories or they they they act differently. It's like Now this isn't just a movie you're talking about. No, this is a different but it's a fauna. But it's a phenomena
Alien8Andy: No, no, this is real life, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: it's a phenomenon that happens. No kidding. All right. So
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: yeah.
Alien8Andy: I know it's like when people had heart transplant, all the different organs after so long, start, you said behaving differently. And
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: then, I know family members have done research into who the organs came from, looked at how they was and they're becoming similar to how that person was when they was alive.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's right. Mm-hmm. Yep. Guess what? There must be something to the or the the soul is is in the blood, or at least certain aspects of it are for sure. Who knew? Think about it from the from the microco think about it from
Alien8Andy: Hmm. Yeah. no, I didn't.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the microcosmic level. All those elements that are in the blood, they go to every single organ, every single part of the body, go to the brain,
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: go to the heart, go to the thyroid, and so there There whatever changes or difference or the little microscopic changes that that were specific for that individual, now you've replaced all the ones that were specific to you and now they're starting to in interface with your organs. Basically it's like the software inter inter interacting with the hardware in a sense. And so yes, it is gonna rewrite s some of your code, which will then affect your behavior. It makes total sense.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So I'm just, I've got my head around, I'm just gonna say and try and get my head around it, but I've got my head around, I'm just like visualizing and picturing it. It's like just how, how that person would be feeling once they start changing, would they realize that they've started to change? Would they pick up on it or are they becoming that next person without even knowing about it?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I I think it might depend upon their level of their own self awareness.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And also to if they had a full transfusion replacement, or let's say they had, let's say, three quarters. All right. So there be maybe certain elements that would, you know, like you got your id and your ego and your super ego. A are you gonna replace all of them or is this like, you know, or just or does the other soul kind of just move in with you? Yeah, are you become spl a bit of a split personality?
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, our flatmates.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: A do yeah, dominate and dominant and subdominate. No, I want the right arm today. No, I want the right arm.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. But, you know what? It's very interesting though. Just talking about this because. It can have a massive, massive impact on everything. Not just that one person, but everyone else that that person knows. Family, friends, work.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We we we know how we know how drugs and medicines that are also interact with the blood directly, how they change how some sometimes they change your the alleles on your on your on your on your genes. You know, it can change how your alleles become either dominant or subdominant, especially just will tweak them just a little bit to where they're not you know, you can get many different changes because we have, you know, we have like basically almost like two alleles for every single gene and we have about twenty-three thousand genes. And we only have forty six
Alien8Andy: Right.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: chromosomes. So your chromosomes are like your organizers of the genes. And so if you start affecting things that are on the genes, like the alleles and things such as that, it will definitely affect behavior.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, it's just so interesting. This is one rabbit hole and if it was going to be going down, but I'm not complaining. It's just, I don't know. It's just so fascinating
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Surprise.
Alien8Andy: because to know it's just one of those things that it's gripped me.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: For me, when
Alien8Andy: And then.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: I was researching this our book, I was researching for along for about 10 years, trying to make the theory fit with the idea that these are coming, these are a federation, they're coming here from all different places. And it kept not fitting and not fitting and not fitting and not fitting. And then I read a passage about someone who had the idea that that that he thought the aliens were really breakaway branches of humanity. I heard this about 20 years ago. And
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: when that idea hit my head, it was like a epiphany. Suddenly everything made sense. Suddenly the Anita date
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: made sense. The the the cosmic rays coming from under the ice sheet, Antarctic ice sheet. We believe there the the Admiral Byrd testimony is true that he really did meet with these underground humans, he called them, right? You know, he said they're Yep.
Alien8Andy: Yes, yeah, yeah. Well, he went twice. He went twice and the second time he took a fleet of like 26 ships and God knows whatever. Yeah, so.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, the first was the the Yeah, yeah. The armada of the Operation High Jump was attacked by flying saucers. We think
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: first, first, you know, he goes down there. his mission is dis to destroy the Nazi base. Our intelligence community
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: surmised was down there. And then he gets down there and he's attacked by flying saucers that come up out of the ocean and attack him and sink one of his ships.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, because
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: So we think that after that happened, he didn't want to go back to Washington and say, I don't know who they were. And he got into his plane, flew over to the R the ice sheet, to the colossal hole that other whistleblowers have
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: confirmed exists, and flew down into the underworld and met with the men that live under the ice. The Ari the Ariane. The Ariane. He called them men,
Alien8Andy: Yes. yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: you know, and they told him why they're abducting us. They said You know, we'll worried you're gonna kill yours you know, blow yourselves up. So we're you know, creating a gene pool kind of thing. And and you know, they didn't tell us the truth, we think entirely, because
Alien8Andy: Well...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: they didn't tell us, when we need your DNA because we're going non
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: viable. But and but he said, you know, we the the master, this this alien this cousin of ours living under the the ice sheet. He said, normally we don't have anything to do with you surface barbarians and your surfing surface wars and your barbaric wars. But also a black pyramid. But we have not we ha we've had to intervene now because you're you've cracked the atom and this is a a power you shouldn't be h playing with. You shouldn't you you who don't have
Alien8Andy: Yeah, it's a big, big, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: the technology to control it, you know. You don't have the emotional awareness actually. Which I think is fair, you know, and And so I think right then and there he told us the truth that they're worried about our nukes. Right. That's why they're following That's why they're learning how to turn off when they want to. You know.
Alien8Andy: Which isn't a bad thing, is it really?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, we're we're thrilled that we're on board with that part of their agenda. I I I wanted to point
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: out we're at the hour and twenty three mark. yes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. So it's up to you how much longer you want to go. Keep going if you want.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Well, about hour and a half I I start to get cra legs cramps in my legs in this closet.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, back starts to go after about five minutes, but I'll get used to it. But I just wanted to bring up... Yeah, I just wanted to ask you
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: But yeah, let's wrap it up. Was there anything else you you had a questions?
Alien8Andy: about mermaids.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mermaids. I have some ideas on it. the the Anunnaki are essentially immortal. That well they they're mortal but they live forever because of this concoction they take, supposedly.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And Galactic milk. Because they live hundreds of thousands of years, they tend to date things with the procession of the equinoxes. You know how we're l entering the age of Aquarius right now. but It it takes twenty thousand years to go through an entire to go from one procession of circul
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: procession circle. And what they do is they would mark their they would date their projects and their artwork and stuff by the zodiac. So if Enki took power in the time of Pisces, Enki is frequently depicted as half fish. Right. Or it next to a river
Alien8Andy: Got you. Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: full of fish. Or a with a fish tail or fish scales like cloak with scales. not lots of fish fish things with inky. Right.
Alien8Andy: Yeah!
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and then Enlil took power during Taurus. So you know he's always got bull horns on and he's pretty
Alien8Andy: bull. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: depicted as bulls half bull. I don't really believe that anybody has ever been half mermaid, half fish and half human. Th can they do that to us? Sure. Maybe if they want to, they could. But I don't think they are. I think it just comes from that kind of s representation in our ancient artwork. Yeah. That's where I think it comes from.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. No, no, just with him saying like, they're coming from out the oceans or in the earth, I just thinking, could there be something human stroke fish like, who knows? Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: The Anunnaki could engineer it if they felt like it. It's certainly possible. So you know, did they?
Alien8Andy: No, well, I... Yeah, well, we're never going to find out unless we witness it for ourselves and... Yeah, alright.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, we catch one in a net or something, you know. Well, as as science says, but we won't believe it unless we catch it and dissect it and then we you know put you put it under a microscope. And classify it with a Latin name. Like Bigfoot. Bigfoot has a Latin name now. Yeah, they gave Bigfoot a Latin name.
Alien8Andy: Yep, and even then it'll...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's Homo sapiens cognatus.
Alien8Andy: When did you do that? Is that?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Dr. Melba Ketchum isolated in her Sasquatch Genome Project, isolated
Alien8Andy: Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: 111 different examples of the DNA of Bigfoot from different individuals. And she
Alien8Andy: Wow. Yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: submitted the DNA profiles to the National Zoological Society, who accepted them. And I guess Melba was allowed to name it.
Alien8Andy: So therefore, Bigfoot is now not a cryptid if it's been acknowledged by zoological.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's an accepted species. Yeah. at least the zoolog the na International Zoological Society she submitted it to says so. Yep, it's real. These are real DNA
Alien8Andy: Yeah, so therefore...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: samples from real cre a real creature, you know. So yeah, we can stop arguing about whether it's real and start the much more interesting debate as to why it's half human.
Alien8Andy: Yep. Yep. It might come out of the forest now and start intermingling with us and giving us some answers. Who knows?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Come on out. Well, we think they're they're they're on maneuvers. That's almost like they're they're branches of a military that they're sending out into enemy territory. They do their tours of duty. Yeah, they
Alien8Andy: it's like scouting. Yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: do their tours of duty, then they go back to their families or you know. It could it could be something like we we know we know certain things. We know that they're telepathic, at least partially telepathic. Yes.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: We know that they can use technology to a certain degree. We know that they can step through portals. We know that they can interfere with electromagnetic devices. They can drain
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: batteries. so we know these things. These are these are phenomena that are frequently associated, even with military people we know that have seen Bigfoot and American Indians. You know, it's it's
Alien8Andy: yeah. Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: very you get the same theme. And sightings frequently accompany UFO sightings as well. Yeah.
Alien8Andy: Yeah. Yep. So, well, they've got to get there and get back, haven't they? So they're not, they're not getting on a bus. No. Yeah. Or a fort, sicker fort they'll get seen then. Yeah. Well, I just want to say, sorry, go on. No, no.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm. Right. No, they're not. Sticking out a thumb, you know. Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, yeah. I think when they're injured, they can I'm sorry. I think when Bigfoot is injured, let's say shot, they run up and try and find the body, it's gone. I think let's say I'm a Lemurian living in underneath Mount Shasta and tonight my job is Bigfoot Wrangler. I have ten of them. I'm gonna send them out on their missions. I'm gonna arm them with a device, an electromagnetic dampening field that drains batteries, and I'm gonna give them this emergency button to hit if they need an emergency portal. And I think that's what happens. They get shot, they hit the button and they get dragged through the portal and disappear.
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Likely. Sure.
Alien8Andy: Yep. Because I know there's been reports of Bigfoot that have got like a utility bell on like an LED belt with all
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Uh-huh.
Alien8Andy: different buttons and gadgets on it. So. Is everyone lying? I don't think so. No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: No. No. Well I think I it's Bigfoot is not a natural creature. There's no like surface populations justifying
Alien8Andy: No.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: this many sightings. No. I think they live underground with their their alien our alien cousins. Our cousins, yes. Who are their handlers
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: and they handle
Alien8Andy: Yep.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: That's why they're all over the place too. That's why every time there's a a UFO hotspot, there's gonna be Bigfoot hotspots too, you know? Yep. They go hand in hand.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you get one you get the other come as a package or just
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Right. A package deal.
Alien8Andy: what? I won't get one free. That'd be good, run it. I just want to
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yep, yep, we would.
Alien8Andy: say a massive, massive thank you for you both to come on. It's been an absolute pleasure.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's been a fun. It's been so fun. We love talking about this. We could do it all day if it weren't w if we weren't in a cool tiny closet, we could keep going.
Alien8Andy: No, thank you. But you are more than welcome to come back on again in the future and talk some more.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Wonderful. Thank you so much. someday our our book will be in a bunch of languages and on a audio book. maybe we could do a press tour again at that time, you know.
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So where can people find your book? I'm guessing Amazon.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Sure, Amazon just type in who they are and what they're up to by Leslie and Stephen Shaw. And then our documentary in Spanish.
Alien8Andy: Yes.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah, it's on Roku no I'm sorry, not Roku anymore. Tubi and Fossum and Of course YouTube. Apple
Alien8Andy: I fit tower paranormal Raul. said it's on Amazon prime.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: is it? Awesome. I didn't know that. I'll I'll
Alien8Andy: Apparently, yeah, so yeah, it's on prime
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: have to make a post about that. I'll try to confirm it first. Or a second documentary should be coming up out. I'll double check it for sure.
Alien8Andy: Yes. Yes. Double check. Cause he might be making it up. No, he's normally pretty legit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just before you do anything. So thank you, Leslie and Steven. I said,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: pleasure having you on. And it's made me start thinking completely different as to what I thought previously. So, it is on prime. He's just putting there. Yeah. Yeah. It's.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: What a compliment that is, you know. That you know, we love making people think start thinking, you know. Yeah, you just said it's on prime, I see. It is. Thank you for
Alien8Andy: Yeah, it is on prime. There you go.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Tower Paranormal Investigations. Thank you.
Alien8Andy: Yes. So that's it. So,
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: He confirmed. Okay.
Alien8Andy: your podcast for you got abductions 101 that's on YouTube, Spotify, Apple.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And I heart. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: I have, so it's on all the regular podcast players. Yeah. So how often do you put them out?
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a few others that well we took a long summer break because of the temperatures. We live in the Palm Spring desert area and we were
Alien8Andy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooh.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: dying, but we just came back and we we put out a weekly podcast on Fridays at three PM Pacific in the Pacific time zone.
Alien8Andy: Right. So that'll be 5 a.m. my time. Thereabouts. Yeah. Eight hours. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, because
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: It's not like a live show, just tune in whenever.
Alien8Andy: what I'll do, I'll find it and I'll add it to me. List of podcasts. So thank you.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: All right. Thanks.
Alien8Andy: I've got another one to listen to. Right. I won't.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: And please subscribe, ladies and gentlemen out there. We need more subscribers. Because we moved platforms at one point and and dropped our followers back down to zero. So it was like ouch, you know. So help us out that way, ladies and gentlemen, please.
Alien8Andy: yeah. I know it's a big hit in it. Yep. Definitely. Like I said, all your descriptions, your links and everything are in the description even. Everything's there so anyone can click on it and it'll take you straight to it. Documentaries are in there. The books are in there. The lot. So
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Thanks so much.
Alien8Andy: well, thank you both so much for coming on and sharing everything that you have. And I shall let you...
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Peace and prosperity.
Alien8Andy: Yes. I can just about do that. Right. I'll let you
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: By everybody. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Alien8Andy: go while I finish off and definitely get you back on soon whenever you're available and we'll sort something out.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Anytime.
Alien8Andy: Perfect. Right. Thank you both. Take care. See you both later. Bye bye.
Leslie and Stephen Shaw: Bye.
Alien8Andy: Right. That was our guess. that's got me thinking. I ain't going to sleep tonight, especially now we're going Canock tomorrow. It's going to be even more exciting for me, and Dan. just let me find out. So we're going to be going to Canock. yeah. We're at Canock tomorrow. probably get there late afternoon. We're going to be doing some pre-recording. We're going to go out, check the areas first, see what's going on. Hopefully the weather is going to keep off because it's wet and miserable here today. And this will be our first official edited nighttime investigation. long as Dan and Mark don't get too scared and run off and drive home in panic. I'm only messing, it's only, it's only Mark who does that. I will be back on Monday. with Richard Monack, our monk, I never remember how to pronounce his name. And then myself and Nicole, we'll be back on Wednesday where we're doing a letter O of encyclopedia, encyclopedia unexplained, encyclopedia unknown, 80s ed paranormal, whatever it's called. I don't know what it's called anymore. It's been too long. And then next Friday, same time, 8 p.m. we're going to have Anka Haven joining us. So she's going to be telling us what she's about. What she does, everything that interests her. So until then, that's it. Have a wonderful weekend and I will see you guys. I'm going to try and do a live stream on the way to Cannot tomorrow before the signal gets too bad. just to keep you updated with what's going on. Got everything charged up. Got me like got the gimbal phone, laser pointer, microphones. bare minimum and dowsing rods in the car. Taking a Bluetooth speaker, going to do some, meditating in the forest, try some C5. We've got some different tracks that we're going to use and yeah. If you don't hear from us, we've been taken. Other than that, I haven't got anything else to add. So enjoy the outro and I will see you on Monday at 8pm with myself, Abbie and Richard. So take care and see you all soon. Bye bye.
