Childhood Lights, Shared Memories, and the Fear of UFO Encounters | Dr. Irena Scott

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into today's discussion. My guest today is Irina, Dr. Irina Scott.
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How are you, my friend? Welcome to the podcast.
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Well, I'm glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
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Awesome. So you have quite a story. You've done a
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lot of research. You've been in this field for a while,
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enough to have enough Not just as a researcher, but
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as an encounter, someone who has had encounters with UFOs,
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craft and ETs and things like that. So just starting off,
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let's give the listeners a little bit of a background
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about who you are and what you bring to the table.
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Okay. I'm not a professional ufologist. My background is in science.
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And I received my PhD from the University of Missouri
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College of Veterinary Medicine in Physiology. I did postdoctoral research
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at Cornell University and had a professorship at St. Bonaventure University.
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My master's was from the University of Nevada and my
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bachelor's was from Ohio State University in Astronomy and Biology.
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and I've done research and teaching at the Ohio State
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University College of Medicine, um, and the University of Nevada.
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I've also worked aircraft identification and, um, I've worked at, um,
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that which is relevant to UFOs. Plus I've also worked
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at the Tell Memorial Institute and I've, um, been sent
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for work-related purposes to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. So I
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basically worked at three places that had to do with
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UFO phenomena, but I wasn't directly involved in it. I
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just worked there and found out about things.
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So you working at these places, have you heard the
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UFO discussion of different people who are in maybe higher
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seats of authority, who are respectable people, talk about the
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existence of these.
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Craft or ETs or anything like that?
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I've known people that worked for Project Blue Book. I've
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talked to Dr. Hynek briefly and my last book contains
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a lot of his handwritten letters and I also know
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a person that worked with him fairly closely at Project
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Blue Book and at Mattel and I've used her notes
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on things and her documents in my last book, Sacred Corridors.
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So what, I guess to kind of skip ahead, I
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know you have tons of encounters and experiences and things
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like that, but I don't even know if you can
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answer this question, but what's going on? Like, what are
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we in contact with? What is watching us? Is it ancient?
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Is it aliens? Is it demonic? What's going on? Because
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something is interacting with, with this outside of the Earth's atmosphere.
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So at the end of the day, what do you
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think it is? What are we in touch with?
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Well, being a scientist, I've studied this for quite a while.
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And my basic knowledge is I just don't have any idea.
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Wow.
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After many years of study. It's very odd and mysterious.
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And I don't know if it's technological or spiritual or
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anything else.
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I like that answer. I like that answer because, you know,
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a lot of times people come on and they have
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it all figured out. They can tell you that we're
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in touch with the Arcturian light beings who travel to
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seventh galaxies to be here to make contact and give
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us divine knowledge. And these people have these well-crafted stories
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and they have books and they're experts in that field.
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But I kind of at the end of the day,
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I've had a ton of encounters, seen many craft and
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I'm with you. it's hard to pinpoint and just say, yeah,
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this is what's going on. This is what it is.
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You see, there's a bunch of experts out there who
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have maybe had one encounter, like from the Christian community,
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they'll say, yes, they're demons, you know, and just blanket
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across the, everything is demons. And I don't think it's
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that easy. I don't think it's as easy as saying
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that they're all angelic. I don't think it's as easy
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as saying that they all are physical beings that live
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on another planet, right? There's like, lots of different things
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that we've seen captured on camera and pictures and people
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having encounters. What was some of the stuff early on?
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I love to address this to see what kind of
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gets people into this. And I've heard some of your story,
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but what was some of the experiences early on as
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a child that you had that really got you into
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researching UFOs or just these different encounters with the divine.
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What were some of the things that kind of sparked
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your interest early on?
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Well, my interest from early on was something that happened
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to my sister and I before we had ever heard
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of UFOs. It was years before we heard of UFOs even.
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We were poor and living in the country. And we
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had one radio, but my parents selected the stations and things,
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so we didn't hear much about We didn't hear anything
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about UFOs and I didn't know anything about it. And
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it took me years to figure out this was a
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UFO experience. But my sister and I were sleeping in
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an attic room. She was about four and I was
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about six approximately. And it was a nice clear night.
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And she was in one side of the room and
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I was on the other and it was an attic
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room with walls that sloped upwards and came together in
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the ceiling about three feet apart. Well, I was asleep
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and I woke up and there was this thing flying
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around the room and I had no idea what it
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was and watched it with curiosity. It looked like a
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little piece of hot metal and it was just flying
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in sort of a browsing motion up and down and
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back and forth. And it flew around the room several
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times and got close to us several times. I didn't
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know she was awake. And after it flew around for
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a while, and I was just curious, I realized that
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it avoided obstacles. Like if it came to a wall,
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it would turn about a foot away. If it came
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to furniture, it would turn. It didn't bump into anything.
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And so I thought this isn't, something inanimate, even at
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that age, we both, I mean, she was awake too,
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but I didn't know. We both realized that something was
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not normal about this. It was nothing like a lightning
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bug or anything like that. And after a while, it
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flew up toward the ceiling. It made a right-hand turn
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at the ceiling. So it didn't hit anything. And then
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it went to the chandelier, which is in the middle
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of the room and turned off. The room was dark.
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And it began to circle the chandelier. Between the chandelier
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and the walls, it didn't feel its way around or anything.
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It just seemed to know where the ceiling was and
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where the chandelier was and began circling. And it circled
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quite a while, and I think it speeded up a
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little when it did that. And then it just made
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a perfect spiral right down into the chandelier. Well, at
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that time, both of us became terrified at the same time.
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And we ran out of the room shrieking and screaming.
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so fast we bumped into each other and fell down
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the stairs and ran to our parents and they thought
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we'd just gone crazy or something and didn't believe us.
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And so that was, um, that happened a long time
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ago and we didn't have any idea what it was
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for years and years and years. And then in the nineties,
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I think I read writings by Jenny Randall's, uh, UK writer,
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And she talked about bedroom visitations of young children of
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UFO-like objects, small objects, which we had. And then she
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said that people that experience that often have other UFO
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events later in life.
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And we did.
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And we were sort of unique because we had them
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together as a child and we had another one. later
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as an as adults.
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Both together um i'm reminded i was actually just showing
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this clip here on the side i'm reminded of the
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movie that came out in the 90s i believe maybe
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80s i'm not sure but there's a movie called batteries
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not included with these little ships these little uh ufo
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craft or whatever that was coming down like little machines
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interacting with people What do you think it was? Do
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you think it was some what some people would say
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that there was some type of drone or like a modern,
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like a little ship that kind of would come out
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of a mothership and go out and monitor, which a
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lot of people believe that a lot of these craft
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that they're seeing are not manned, that they're just like
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observing and recording things to report back. What do you
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think that it was?
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I don't know, because a room was closed. The window
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was screened in and the door was closed. And so
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we had no idea how it got in. We had
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no idea why we both woke up at the same
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time and we had no idea why we were suddenly
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became terrified at the same time. It was kind of
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like there might've been some little bit of mind control
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going on or something like that, or maybe missing time
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because we didn't know how the thing got inside the room.
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It wasn't a lightning ball because it was just a
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nice clear night. And so, um, It was long before
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drones or anything like that. It was a long time ago.
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What was the next encounter that you had?
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The next encounter I had was on our farm again,
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and we were poor. We didn't have air conditioning. I
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was sleeping outside, and I woke up and looked north,
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and this object was flying over. And it was like
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a big sphere. It was about the size, and I
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thought it was about the distance of an airplane going over.
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But it's just a round, glowing sphere. And when it
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got right above me, suddenly all the dogs in the
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neighborhood began to bark. And our dog, which was locked
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in the house and couldn't see it, also began to
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bark and jump around. And then it went on over
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and I was terrified, but I was also scared of
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my parents. So I didn't go inside or anything. I
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just stayed out there terrified until the morning. But then later,
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years later, my sister and I had a sighting together.
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Would you say that they were pleasurable experiences? Did they
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Like a lot of times when you're a child, it
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changes your life. It sets you on this path, on
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this course to seek out answers. You've had experiences that
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not all the other kids in your class have had,
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at least to your knowledge, until you get brave enough
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to start vocalizing it and say, hey, anybody else ever
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had a little ship fly through your room or something?
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And the scrutiny that comes with that and the people
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making fun of you and the ridicule and stuff, So
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you kind of got to own it, but I feel
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like it shapes people's lives when they have those encounters
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and those experiences. Do you think that it was something
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good or bad? Was it, did it have ill intentions
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or what do you think that it's an intent was
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or has been throughout your life? Is it something pleasurable?
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Obviously it does spark like awe and wonder, creativity. There's
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something else that exists out there. You know, these type of,
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of mindsets. But, you know, some people are scared of them.
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Some people wish that it would never happen again. They've
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had ugly encounters supposedly with these different beings that come
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in their room at night. But other people will it
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to happen. They call themselves experiencers or contactees even. And
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the whole term abduction or abductee has kind of gone
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out the window in recent years. What do you think?
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Has it been a pleasurable experience or... Would you not
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wish it on anyone else? I mean, how do you
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look at that? What is your relationship with it at
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this point?
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Well, when the first one happened, we had not heard
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of UFOs, so we weren't terrified because we thought they
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were aliens or anything like that. We just had no idea.
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many years. I wouldn't say it was pleasurable because it
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was one of the most terrifying things that ever happened
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to me. And I don't know really why I was
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scared either, but it was absolutely terrifying. It's something that
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even today I have some little ditches in my mind
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about being terrified of things.
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Yeah, well, I think anytime you have an encounter where
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you wake up and something's there in your room, you know, uninvited,
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it's going to scare you anyway. And I think that's
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why like a lot of, you know, like I go
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back to the Christian realm or whatever, but like a
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lot of people have encounters with different entities that are
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in their room. So they automatically say that it's an alien.
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It could have been a demon. It could have been
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a ghost, a disembodied spirit, maybe an angry ancestor. You know,
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they have these type of poltergeists. They have these encounters,
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but then they say, no, it was an alien, you know,
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these kinds of experiences. And so they kind of lump
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them all together. But I, you know, I think we do,
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ufology spirituality or whatever type of entity that is i
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think we do the disservice when we start just lumping
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everything and you know just kind of labeling it either
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all good or all bad or whatever i mean that's
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kind of where we are in life right now 2019
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just labeling a group of people of all bad or
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stay away or they're scary or they're harmful or whatever
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um Have you had any other encounters with different beings,
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or do you think that they've all been the same
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beings that have been kind of, you know, monitoring you
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or contacting you throughout your life?
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I have no idea. At that time, when it first happened,
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we were both just curious and wondering what was going on.
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we were both terrified. And so we had a sudden
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change in feelings. And at that age, I don't think
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either one of us had much personality, so I don't
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think we had anything. big changes in our personality like
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lots of people do that have experiences later. I think
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in general, what it did was make me more open minded, though.
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I mean, when people tell these weird stories, I don't
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automatically dismiss them.
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So you approach it from a scientific standpoint, where does
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spirituality come into play for you or does it?
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I don't know.
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I don't.
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Visualize it as religion. I visualize it. UFO information is
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more data points to use scientifically. I mean, people say
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you believe in it or you don't believe in it. Well,
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I don't connect it with religion really. Um, I just
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think there's information there that you should try to understand
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and look at it from different ways.
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Yeah. But maybe, you know, because there's a lot of
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people who kind of lean more spiritual after having these encounters,
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like I said, asking the bigger questions in life. And
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is God real? Who are they? What is that? Is
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that the angels? I'm reading even here in the comment section,
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Gil Hodges says that his childhood was such that I
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begged to be taken away by aliens, but I never
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saw anything. So people like want, you know, there's a fascination,
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you know, of something to kind of like a, like
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a savior, even these aliens or angels or something like that,
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something else to exist beyond this reality, whether it's the
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afterlife or, um, these type of beings that exist in, in,
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or watching over us. Um, do you think that they
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are that they've been here a lot longer than we have?
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Do they date back to antiquity? I mean, that's where
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all the religious ideologies come from. Were they influenced by
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these beings, or do you think this is something new
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that's happening?
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Well, I guess I kind of view it as that
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we humans probably have a very limited knowledge and senses
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and everything else and we're probably just taking a tiny
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little bit of our environment and we may not be
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very evolved either because the universe is a lot older
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than earth is so yeah I think that from evidence
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it seems that people have seen things like that all
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through history that they've recorded or drawn but it's always
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filtered through your culture. And so if 3000 years ago,
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you sound, you saw a round ball of light, you
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might think it's an angel or you might think it's
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a globe or an orb or a ghost or something.
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you saw the same thing today, you might think it's
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a UFO. But I think it appears that, That sort
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of thing has been happening for a long time. But
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it's described different ways according to the culture of the person,
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of the witness.
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Oh, yeah. Especially like, you know, going back to the Bible,
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you see, you know, the cloud by day, you know,
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the fire by night. You see, there was one instance
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where I think, I want to say it was like Elijah,
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or it was one of the prophets, maybe Jeremiah, who
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says that he's seen it like a scroll of Or
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like a roll that was glowing red. And everyone talks
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about these type of red orbs or these orange orbs
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or whatever the case is. And so people have been
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having these encounters with these type of craft or whatever.
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The craft that you've seen, especially being a scientist. So
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have these largely been the nuts and bolts craft? Or
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have you seen the ones that actually morph and take
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shape and... they almost seem alive. Like they could actually
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be an entity themselves, which some people believe that the
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crafts are alive as well. Have you seen the two
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or is it mainly been some type of nuts and
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bolts craft that you've seen?
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Again, I don't know. I saw things that look like crafts,
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but I don't know if they are crafts or whether
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they take on that appearance. There's a lot of information
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about people that, may see like a orb or globe
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that then it turns into a humanoid shape and things
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like that. So it's like maybe they can take different shapes.
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And they have like cloaking technologies. We were talking a
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lot about, you know, just looking into the ocean and
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the different beings and fish that have, that can, you know,
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cloak and go invisible and change shape and change color
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and you can't see them. And these are, you know,
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real life forms that exist in the bottom of the ocean,
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you know, and I really do believe in the term
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as above, so below. So if we look into the
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night sky, whether we're seeing craft or we're seeing beings
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that exist outside of the atmosphere, some people believe there's
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a big push now, this whole flat earth talk that
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there's water out there, that space is water and these
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type of, so it would kind of give room to
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the beings that we're seeing in the ocean, seeing very
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similar entities in the sky even. Have you looked into
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underwater UFOs or anything like that?
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I've looked into it a little bit, and I think
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they seem to be able to levitate and everything, so
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I don't know why they wouldn't be the same in
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water as they are in the air, and people report
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them coming out of water and going into water and
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things like that.
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For people who don't know, tell us a little bit
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about Project Blue Book and what that whole deal is
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and your involvement with that.
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I worked at Battelle Memorial Institute and I've been at
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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. And that was where Project Blue
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Book took place. And so I've talked to a number
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of people that worked in it. its predecessors started about
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the time of the Kenneth Arnold sighting of flying saucers
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and Roswell. It was called, first of all, Project Saucer
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because nobody knew anything about them. And it evolved into
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Project Sign, which was the government study of UFOs. That was,
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in some ways, it was more open-minded than later studies
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because they considered that they may be extraterrestrial or not man-made.
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But then the government began to debunk the whole idea,
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and this evolved into Project Grudge, and it was named
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that because the government agency was set up to debunk everything.
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And later this evolved about 1952 in the Project Blue Book,
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which lasted until 1969. And that was the government study
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of UFOs. And that was, for example, the History Channel
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had a program about a series, and it showed Dr.
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Hynek going out to investigate.
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Sorry, I can only search by topic for movies.
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I'm sorry.
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It's listening.
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I have no idea what that.
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Is.
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It just went off. Maybe it can hear me. And
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that was the long investigation where they took reports and
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went out and investigated and talked to the people that
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cited the UFOs and had them fill out forms and things.
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And the part I was covering in more detail in
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my book was a study done by Battelle Memorial Institute.
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And it was, first of all, a top secret study.
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And people know about Project Blue Book that Hynek and
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people went out and investigated and talked to people and
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that sort of thing, which is shown on the History Channel.
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But there was another part of it, and this was
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a secret part. And that's what they did with the data.
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And what they did with the data was design a
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real good questionnaire where they can take discrete properties of
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the UFO phenomena, such as how many do you see,
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how long did you see it, what shape was it,
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what color, and that sort of thing, and filled in
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with a questionnaire. They used the questionnaires to do a
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real good computer study of it. which was called Special
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Report Number 14. And in this, after they did this
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good study, they found out that there's less than one
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chance out of a billion that UFOs are not conventional objects,
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that there's something else. So it kind of, in a way,
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proves scientifically that they exist.
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I mean, what were some of the ways that they
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would try to discredit people or debunk UFOs? all of
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this stuff? Was it to kind of, you know, go
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after the people who are having these experiences and they
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always say, well, you know, it's the, it's the redneck
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from the South. It's the man who lives in the
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woods and he's uneducated. And, you know, why, why can't
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they abduct or, or appear to people who are smart
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and educated? It's always these dumb hillbillies in the mountains
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or in the woods or whatever. What were some of
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the things that they would do to try to debunk this? Or,
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you know, some people have even talked about, you know,
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targeted individuals where they, you know, mess with people and
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drive them crazy, maybe even kill people. We've heard stories
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about what are some of the different things that they
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would do to target individuals who are having these experiences.
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I mean, there's this weird hysteria even in the field
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for people who have had encounters and they still to
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this day don't want to do what we're doing right
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now and talk about this stuff openly because they feel
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like they're going to be targeted by the government because
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they already know too much. What were some of the
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things that they were doing? Or are doing?
479
00:30:58.849 --> 00:31:04.670
Well, they would take people that had perfectly good sightings
480
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.480
and say they're crazy, they're imagining things, they're seeing the
481
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.519
moon or things like that that they couldn't possibly report.
482
00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:17.140
There was one real good sighting in Ohio called the
483
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:24.160
Portage County UFO chase. It was by two policemen, Sparr
484
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.839
and Neff. It was a pretty well-known one. And these
485
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:34.220
policemen were joking, first of all, with somebody on the
486
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.960
police radio who said a woman in Michigan saw a
487
00:31:38.089 --> 00:31:41.750
UFO and everybody laughed about it, which is the common thing.
488
00:31:42.930 --> 00:31:46.589
And then they went to look at a car that
489
00:31:46.809 --> 00:31:51.109
was sort of weird. It had seven steps to hell
490
00:31:51.170 --> 00:31:59.470
written on the doorway. And This object, as they were
491
00:31:59.670 --> 00:32:02.099
looking at the car, this object came over the trees,
492
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.660
very close to them and very bright. And they were
493
00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:09.900
no longer laughing. They were terrified. And they ran to
494
00:32:09.940 --> 00:32:17.849
their police car and got in and called the police radio.
495
00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:25.710
And the person on the police radio said, shoot it.
496
00:32:26.500 --> 00:32:29.740
And they thought, this isn't such a good idea. But
497
00:32:29.779 --> 00:32:32.259
what happened next was, while they were on the police
498
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.099
radio the whole time, they began to follow it. And
499
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:42.410
they followed it through Ohio. It was fairly low and slow.
500
00:32:42.430 --> 00:32:46.930
And when they got to the Youngstown, Ohio air base,
501
00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:51.490
they heard that it was on radar and that they
502
00:32:51.529 --> 00:32:55.579
had scrambled jets and people saw jets and they had
503
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.900
reports that it was on radar. So they kept on
504
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:03.269
following it, and they got clear into Pennsylvania. There were
505
00:33:03.309 --> 00:33:06.349
a whole lot of witnesses. There were other policemen that
506
00:33:06.390 --> 00:33:10.029
saw it, and they were on the police radio all
507
00:33:10.069 --> 00:33:14.430
the time. So it was just an excellent sighting. But
508
00:33:14.450 --> 00:33:19.339
then Project Blue Book said they saw either Venus or
509
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.519
a satellite, which didn't match what they described at all.
510
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.160
And it made them look like they were crazy because
511
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:32.119
they were police people and it really affected their lives.
512
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.519
Yeah. I mean, so are these, are these like, you know,
513
00:33:40.339 --> 00:33:42.359
government funded programs that do this?
514
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.160
Well, they had during Project Blue Book, they had two
515
00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:53.680
government projects that seemed to be set up to debunk
516
00:33:54.410 --> 00:34:00.579
And one of them was called the Robertson Panel, where they,
517
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.039
Mattel didn't want it to convene when it did because
518
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.119
Mattel wasn't even finished with the studies. And they were
519
00:34:09.139 --> 00:34:13.480
going to give these expert scientists this information that was
520
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:18.960
bad and then have them decide whether UFOs exist. And
521
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.909
they convened it even though they didn't have the data.
522
00:34:24.909 --> 00:34:30.670
The CIA was involved in that. And the end of
523
00:34:30.690 --> 00:34:35.030
it was that they wanted people to debunk UFOs and
524
00:34:35.309 --> 00:34:38.780
say people are crazy and put bad stories about them
525
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.139
that were crazy on the internet and things to convince
526
00:34:42.219 --> 00:34:45.820
people that they didn't exist. And then later they had
527
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:54.159
a study called the Condit report where Dr. Condit from
528
00:34:55.300 --> 00:35:00.440
The University of Colorado did a study, and he also
529
00:35:00.500 --> 00:35:03.699
concluded there's no such thing as UFOs. What he basically
530
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:15.670
concluded was that they weren't of national, that they weren't dangerous.
531
00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:24.050
And he concluded basically that in phrases that they didn't exist,
532
00:35:24.570 --> 00:35:27.070
even though they couldn't explain one third of their data,
533
00:35:28.349 --> 00:35:34.039
which Matty's conclusion was basically meaningless, but it convinced the
534
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.159
public and that made him stop Project Blue Book.
535
00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:44.159
Do you think that with all of this, you know,
536
00:35:44.219 --> 00:35:47.880
disinfo out there, it would seem feasible and like a
537
00:35:47.980 --> 00:35:57.119
smart move to infiltrate ufology? To fund people, maybe even
538
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.380
people who write books and maybe have large budgets of
539
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.340
money behind them for promotion and media and things like that.
540
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.059
To fund people who are disinfo agents and put them
541
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.800
into the ufology community to maybe even be the face
542
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.630
of ufology even. Do you think that there's people in
543
00:36:16.670 --> 00:36:21.369
the field that most of us know without even saying
544
00:36:21.429 --> 00:36:25.039
any names really? who are, you know, disinfo agents that are,
545
00:36:25.340 --> 00:36:29.739
that are funded by someone or maybe even, you know,
546
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.800
in it. I want to, you know, I would phrase
547
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.480
it to say that are just opportunists in it for
548
00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:38.010
the wrong reasons, but we don't even go there. Are
549
00:36:38.050 --> 00:36:42.789
there people who are funded by government corporations to get
550
00:36:42.829 --> 00:36:45.769
in here and push out a lot of disinfo? Do
551
00:36:45.789 --> 00:36:47.969
you believe that that's something that we have to kind
552
00:36:48.010 --> 00:36:51.679
of wade through in this community? Yes.
553
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.940
Um, One of the first people that wrote about Roswell,
554
00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:57.579
I can't think of his.
555
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:15.449
Name right now. He worked to, I can't.
556
00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:15.199
Think of his name. He worked with the government to
557
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:22.829
make a person called to make one person that was
558
00:37:23.050 --> 00:37:29.530
investigating UFOs look crazy. And this was a government work.
559
00:37:30.329 --> 00:37:38.010
They think that Richard Doty might be a disinformation agent,
560
00:37:38.030 --> 00:37:43.760
and I think he's admitted it, maybe. I had interviewed
561
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:49.460
a person, Robert Collins, that worked with him, who supported him,
562
00:37:49.539 --> 00:37:51.690
but I think a lot of people I think he's
563
00:37:52.269 --> 00:38:00.960
a government misinformation agent. And there's a lot of people
564
00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:05.900
that are talking, talk about kind of wild things that
565
00:38:06.500 --> 00:38:08.760
might be in that category.
566
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:14.210
Maybe some of the, you know, Corey Goods, those kind
567
00:38:14.230 --> 00:38:14.510
of people.
568
00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:18.750
Well, I better not mention names, but.
569
00:38:18.789 --> 00:38:22.210
Yeah, well, I just, I have to second guess anyone
570
00:38:23.030 --> 00:38:26.019
who has it all figured out and can package it
571
00:38:26.059 --> 00:38:29.980
in such a way. Maybe it puts, and this is
572
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.619
just from a seeker myself, I don't want to put
573
00:38:32.659 --> 00:38:34.980
myself on a pedestal, but as far as someone who would,
574
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.059
or to even just think of myself too highly, but
575
00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:41.380
someone who has had a lot of encounters, a lot
576
00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:48.050
of UFOs, a lot of visitations, again... I can't put
577
00:38:48.090 --> 00:38:50.909
it together like some of these people claim to do,
578
00:38:50.980 --> 00:38:52.579
and I don't know how they do it. And I'm
579
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.280
sure you feel the same way with the extensive research
580
00:38:56.300 --> 00:38:59.699
that you've done. And you still are with me asking.
581
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.639
It leaves you with more questions at the end of
582
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:06.340
the day versus saying that this is exactly what it is. Now,
583
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.909
you probably have a lot of conclusions of personally what
584
00:39:09.969 --> 00:39:12.889
you think they are, but to say you know, without
585
00:39:12.909 --> 00:39:15.670
the shadow of a doubt, matter of fact, this is
586
00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:18.250
what we're dealing with. It's really hard to say. And
587
00:39:18.289 --> 00:39:22.710
that just makes you question anyone really who claimed to
588
00:39:22.750 --> 00:39:23.710
have it all figured out.
589
00:39:26.179 --> 00:39:26.530
Yeah.
590
00:39:26.889 --> 00:39:31.699
And, um, a lot of people say they worked for
591
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:37.260
the government and they saw all these things, bodies and everything.
592
00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:40.639
And I worked for the government and I didn't see bodies.
593
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.159
I saw some evidence that there were underground chambers and
594
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:48.860
things like that. But when I worked for the government,
595
00:39:50.389 --> 00:39:54.949
my supervisors turned in a UFO report and we were
596
00:39:54.969 --> 00:39:58.429
supposed to identify everything flying over this particular area of
597
00:39:58.449 --> 00:40:02.679
the earth. And we didn't have a clearance for UFOs,
598
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:06.320
even though it would be related to our work. And
599
00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:09.980
my supervisors turned in a report from our satellite photography
600
00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:14.300
and they were severely debunked by the agency, even though
601
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.150
we were kind of working in that field. which gave
602
00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:19.590
me the feeling that high up in the government, there's
603
00:40:19.750 --> 00:40:23.730
people that know something about them and are even debunking
604
00:40:24.030 --> 00:40:24.869
government workers.
605
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.119
Yeah. Whether it's, you know, like, again, I guess the
606
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.579
second point of the, of the second side of the
607
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.099
point was the fact that first of all, you have
608
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.460
people who are, you know, disinfo agents, but then you, again,
609
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:40.159
you have people who are, you know, opportunists because this
610
00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:42.880
is a growing field. There's beginning to be a lot
611
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.369
of money in this field and, book tours and speaking
612
00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:50.690
engagements and TV deals and ancient aliens is huge right now.
613
00:40:51.150 --> 00:40:53.489
And so the people who would kind of get into
614
00:40:53.510 --> 00:40:57.559
the field and maybe even if, you know, there's probably
615
00:40:57.579 --> 00:41:00.380
people who started out and they, you know, meant well
616
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.440
when they started, but who would just kind of, you know,
617
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:08.090
fluff up the stories a little bit and add things and,
618
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.030
you know, just make some kind of make it up
619
00:41:11.150 --> 00:41:13.230
as they go. I really feel like we're dealing with
620
00:41:13.269 --> 00:41:17.320
a lot of people who do that. you know, in
621
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.960
the field. There's people who are just opportunist and they're
622
00:41:20.980 --> 00:41:22.679
here and we have to wade through their stuff and
623
00:41:22.699 --> 00:41:25.530
they maybe have a bigger budget than you and they
624
00:41:25.570 --> 00:41:28.090
have a better publisher or whatever the case is, but
625
00:41:28.349 --> 00:41:33.409
they get more eyes on their material because it's flashy,
626
00:41:34.090 --> 00:41:37.730
because it's, you know, as a matter of fact. And
627
00:41:37.769 --> 00:41:40.769
if you came out and said, as a matter of fact,
628
00:41:41.309 --> 00:41:43.369
you would probably get a little bit more attention on
629
00:41:43.409 --> 00:41:46.880
you And this is what's going on. And, you know,
630
00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:50.599
you kind of have to push people around and maybe,
631
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:53.079
you know, degrade or try to debunk other people's work
632
00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:56.099
or whatever, even if they've made their life work. And
633
00:41:56.139 --> 00:41:58.139
even if they're telling the truth, I think we have
634
00:41:58.179 --> 00:42:02.090
a lot of that going on, too. It's in every field.
635
00:42:02.710 --> 00:42:05.730
You know, it's in the religious field. It's in it's
636
00:42:05.969 --> 00:42:09.210
you know, it's it's in politics, you know, when it's
637
00:42:09.409 --> 00:42:11.230
definitely in ufology as well.
638
00:42:13.940 --> 00:42:20.760
And, for example, MJ-12, which are purported to be documents
639
00:42:21.050 --> 00:42:28.510
leaked from the government that discuss UFOs and government people
640
00:42:28.630 --> 00:42:31.590
working with aliens and that sort of thing. Well, that's
641
00:42:31.809 --> 00:42:37.889
taken up an awful lot of UFO investigators' time. But
642
00:42:37.909 --> 00:42:41.030
there's no way to document whether any of it's right
643
00:42:41.070 --> 00:42:43.769
or not. And there's good reason to think it's not.
644
00:42:44.260 --> 00:42:46.460
But it seems like the government or somebody spent an
645
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.420
awful lot of time working to get these documents to
646
00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:52.019
look right and look like they're real.
647
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.280
Yeah, you have a lot of that going on. But
648
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.340
as far as your experiences, right, and people saying having
649
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.710
their own personal encounters, we've heard tons of stories. Now,
650
00:43:04.730 --> 00:43:08.449
whether they're made up or real, I'm not sure. But
651
00:43:09.429 --> 00:43:12.130
as far as you said, you've been down these different
652
00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:16.780
corridors and hallways where that would well would they lead
653
00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.519
to um you know maybe ufos that are docked there
654
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.380
or meeting rooms or set holding cells what was what
655
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.659
do you think was down there in these different corridors
656
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:28.760
that you've you found well i.
657
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:31.949
Was just um in the same place where people that
658
00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:36.210
were doing that had done the work like um project
659
00:43:36.269 --> 00:43:39.650
blue book had been i would we just named it
660
00:43:39.710 --> 00:43:43.260
that because I'd walk down the same halls and corridors
661
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:49.820
where they had done their work. But for example, at
662
00:43:50.179 --> 00:43:59.309
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, it's very, very secure. And so
663
00:43:59.570 --> 00:44:02.429
there's just maybe a very few, like four or five
664
00:44:02.710 --> 00:44:07.449
ufologists have actually been on base. And I was on
665
00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:11.929
base and I looked around. because of work, and also
666
00:44:11.949 --> 00:44:14.980
I knew somebody that worked there that showed me around.
667
00:44:16.699 --> 00:44:19.460
And so I looked at some of the places where
668
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:24.840
there were stories about aliens and hidden chambers and things,
669
00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:28.480
and I did find some evidence that suggested there were
670
00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:31.639
hidden chambers and that sort of thing. I've heard all
671
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:37.239
kinds of informant stories about bodies and debris and things
672
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:40.599
at Wright-Patterson, But I've never seen them, but I have
673
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.139
seen evidence suggesting that the chambers were there where the
674
00:44:44.179 --> 00:44:45.239
people described.
675
00:44:48.630 --> 00:44:50.469
Speaking of the debris and stuff like that, what can
676
00:44:50.510 --> 00:44:53.429
you tell me about memory metal?
677
00:44:57.090 --> 00:45:02.150
Well, this came from working at Mattel Memorial Institute. They
678
00:45:02.170 --> 00:45:05.760
were to do a study under Project Blue Book, a
679
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:11.989
statistical study where they designed a questionnaire and did statistical
680
00:45:12.030 --> 00:45:15.590
work on it. So the workers that did that project
681
00:45:16.250 --> 00:45:22.360
were supposed to be statisticians and psychologists and that type
682
00:45:22.389 --> 00:45:26.929
of people that designed questionnaires. Well, it turned out that
683
00:45:26.969 --> 00:45:31.900
the actual people that did the study for Battelle were metallurgists,
684
00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:36.739
which had nothing to do whatsoever with what they were
685
00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:39.300
supposed to be doing. For some reason, they hired metallurgists
686
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.920
And so people wondered, why did they hire a metallurgist
687
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.900
when that wasn't their field and it wasn't what they
688
00:45:45.940 --> 00:45:49.460
wanted people to do? Well, another person and I back
689
00:45:49.500 --> 00:45:55.719
in the 90s had heard this one man who talked
690
00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.159
to this man in the 1950s when nobody really knew
691
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:05.039
anything about Roswell or debris or anything else. And he
692
00:46:05.059 --> 00:46:09.750
was a metallurgist of some status. And he informally told
693
00:46:09.769 --> 00:46:15.989
this person that he was working on metal from the
694
00:46:16.210 --> 00:46:21.340
degree from a crash or metal from a UFO ET metal.
695
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.900
And so anyway, this was just dormant for a long time.
696
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.800
And I published it about 1994 just in a local
697
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.230
little news letter.
698
00:46:37.409 --> 00:46:37.789
And then.
699
00:46:39.409 --> 00:46:43.400
Smith and Carey, who wrote the book Witness to Roswell,
700
00:46:45.619 --> 00:46:47.820
one of the people that worked with them had interviewed me,
701
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:53.860
and they put that into Witness to Roswell. Well, it
702
00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:58.309
turned out that Battelle had done some studies of nitinol,
703
00:46:58.369 --> 00:47:03.849
which might have some properties of memory metal, and it
704
00:47:04.210 --> 00:47:08.070
went all over the internet that possibly this was memory
705
00:47:08.110 --> 00:47:14.469
metal and possibly they had back engineered some form of
706
00:47:15.489 --> 00:47:17.449
memory metal from this.
707
00:47:20.849 --> 00:47:22.750
Would that have to be, would that, would that be
708
00:47:22.789 --> 00:47:25.869
something like, like if you're dealing with mercury or something
709
00:47:25.909 --> 00:47:27.989
that's able to take shape and just mold and bend,
710
00:47:28.030 --> 00:47:29.599
how does that, how would you think that that works?
711
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.780
Yeah. Some of the people that saw the first, that saw,
712
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.679
apparently saw the Roswell Christ said they collect this really
713
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.869
weird type of metal that, You would bend it and
714
00:47:40.889 --> 00:47:44.769
it would take its shape back and you couldn't destroy
715
00:47:44.809 --> 00:47:48.309
it with anything like bullets and things like that.
716
00:47:51.489 --> 00:47:56.409
So if you have this type of metal, maybe that
717
00:47:56.449 --> 00:48:00.059
would be how they're able to cloak as well. Able
718
00:48:00.099 --> 00:48:04.039
to bend light or have this metal just change directions
719
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.269
to where you can't even see it. Or even change
720
00:48:07.309 --> 00:48:09.570
the shape of the ship. We're talking about these plasma
721
00:48:09.590 --> 00:48:12.030
ships as well. People see these ships that are just
722
00:48:12.130 --> 00:48:16.090
morphing and changing shapes and combining with other ships and
723
00:48:16.130 --> 00:48:19.110
a lot of really weird aerial phenomena that goes on.
724
00:48:19.570 --> 00:48:21.409
So do you think that would have something to do
725
00:48:21.449 --> 00:48:25.550
with the memory metal as well, probably? It might.
726
00:48:26.389 --> 00:48:28.889
There were a lot of stories that I mentioned in
727
00:48:28.909 --> 00:48:34.289
my book in Ohio. Ohio is where Wright-Patterson is. And
728
00:48:34.329 --> 00:48:38.150
there's pretty definite proof that something was sent from Roswell
729
00:48:38.170 --> 00:48:42.809
to Wright-Patterson. And there's stories about not only Battelle, but
730
00:48:42.869 --> 00:48:49.539
other places where they investigated some unusual metals. And for example,
731
00:48:50.539 --> 00:48:54.639
Kempkin roller bearing had one of the hottest furnaces in
732
00:48:54.699 --> 00:48:59.210
the world. And there's a story that something was shipped
733
00:48:59.289 --> 00:49:04.030
out there and that they exposed it to this very
734
00:49:04.070 --> 00:49:07.639
hot furnace and it didn't hurt it at all. There's
735
00:49:07.699 --> 00:49:15.449
stories from Wright State University that these people were to,
736
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:20.889
these graduate students, I think, or scientists were to, explore
737
00:49:20.929 --> 00:49:24.760
the characters of this type of metal and they fired
738
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.920
bullets at it and it just didn't hurt it at all.
739
00:49:28.940 --> 00:49:31.119
Yeah bullets and ammo on it and it just never
740
00:49:31.179 --> 00:49:33.800
even budged this UFO that appeared.
741
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.539
Yeah there's stories like that.
742
00:49:38.699 --> 00:49:42.050
It's I wonder if there's some type of technology that
743
00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:45.590
can penetrate it, though. I tried to talk to some
744
00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:48.429
people about this, and everybody comes from a different realm,
745
00:49:48.449 --> 00:49:52.239
but there's these different videos online of what looks to
746
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.199
be some type of craft coming towards the Earth from space,
747
00:49:57.900 --> 00:50:02.619
and these are taken from different spaceships or satellites, and
748
00:50:03.500 --> 00:50:06.679
there would be a flash and looks like a plasma
749
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:11.000
beam or something shot from Earth up towards the craft
750
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.619
and it moves out the way and then turns around
751
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.440
and leaves out the other direction seeing videos like that
752
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.639
and then doing the research about what the government knows
753
00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:24.190
about ufos and aliens and things like that and then
754
00:50:24.550 --> 00:50:27.570
we have space force this thing that i think i
755
00:50:27.889 --> 00:50:30.309
think we've had space force for a very long time
756
00:50:30.349 --> 00:50:33.150
we're just now hearing about it you know probably because
757
00:50:33.190 --> 00:50:34.449
they're not going to be able to hide a lot
758
00:50:34.489 --> 00:50:35.860
more stuff that they're going to be doing in the
759
00:50:35.949 --> 00:50:39.019
open maybe transporting some of these craft or ships or
760
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.000
whatever the case is so it's kind of in the
761
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.980
open now uh what's your take on that as far
762
00:50:44.019 --> 00:50:50.079
as like this war between space and us from a
763
00:50:50.139 --> 00:50:52.639
religious standpoint i do have to i do approach it
764
00:50:52.659 --> 00:50:55.090
from this way and if there's a good and a
765
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:58.449
bad i feel like the bad people are here on
766
00:50:58.550 --> 00:51:03.559
earth running things and poisoning the water and doing all
767
00:51:04.050 --> 00:51:07.570
passing evil, wicked laws and all kinds of weird stuff
768
00:51:07.610 --> 00:51:09.610
that's happening on the earth. I feel like these are
769
00:51:09.630 --> 00:51:12.769
the evil people and the good guys are out there.
770
00:51:12.869 --> 00:51:16.369
To me, they are more angelic, right? And I do
771
00:51:16.550 --> 00:51:18.130
feel like there's a war. There's a lot of people
772
00:51:18.590 --> 00:51:21.719
who claim that with night vision goggles, you can see
773
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.400
fleets of UFOs. There's people who claim that you see
774
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:28.360
them shooting at one another. Or maybe it's us up
775
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.380
there with nuts and bolts craft that are shooting at them.
776
00:51:31.699 --> 00:51:34.679
Edgar Cayce says that the battle of Armageddon was going
777
00:51:34.699 --> 00:51:38.320
to be fought in outer space. Do you think that
778
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.820
we are at war with some of these entities? Um,
779
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.260
and who, what is good? What is bad? Do you
780
00:51:46.300 --> 00:51:48.059
have an opinion? I know it's hard to say that,
781
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.900
you know, but do you have an opinion on this?
782
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:56.659
No, um, I don't know. I think people have good
783
00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:01.650
traits and bad traits and maybe they have, um, have
784
00:52:02.030 --> 00:52:05.829
a prime directive like in Star Wars to just interfere
785
00:52:05.849 --> 00:52:08.309
a tiny little bit, but to let us take care
786
00:52:08.349 --> 00:52:11.349
of our own problems and watch what happens or something.
787
00:52:12.409 --> 00:52:15.190
I think Star Wars has a lot of information in
788
00:52:15.250 --> 00:52:19.489
it about what's going on. I really do. Even the
789
00:52:19.610 --> 00:52:23.710
angel thing, like there was, uh, there's quotes where they're
790
00:52:23.730 --> 00:52:25.809
talking about the angels that live on these other planets
791
00:52:25.869 --> 00:52:27.650
and stuff like that in Star Wars and that they,
792
00:52:28.449 --> 00:52:30.849
you know, star pilots and fighter pilots or one day
793
00:52:30.869 --> 00:52:32.329
I'm going to grow up and be one. And there's
794
00:52:32.389 --> 00:52:34.510
all of these different quotes and stuff like that. Somebody
795
00:52:35.090 --> 00:52:38.190
who knew, you know, a little bit more than we
796
00:52:38.250 --> 00:52:41.949
knew or know, put that stuff in there years ago,
797
00:52:42.750 --> 00:52:45.909
years ago. And now we're just hearing about Space Force,
798
00:52:45.969 --> 00:52:48.070
something that seems like it's out of a fairy tale
799
00:52:48.110 --> 00:52:51.889
or out of a Star Wars movie is actually real life.
800
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.400
There really is a Space Force that people are going
801
00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:55.940
to be able to sign up and go fight for
802
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.219
and all of this kind of stuff. And there's a
803
00:52:58.219 --> 00:53:03.280
lot of testimony from people who claim, they're just claims,
804
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.019
but people who claim to be a part of different
805
00:53:06.460 --> 00:53:09.300
projects like that and have been to space and have
806
00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:12.989
fought against these type of entities that are out there.
807
00:53:13.010 --> 00:53:17.630
And I think a more of a level-headed approach is
808
00:53:17.710 --> 00:53:20.130
to say that, you know, they're not good or bad.
809
00:53:20.190 --> 00:53:23.429
They are like humans. They choose. Maybe they wake up
810
00:53:23.489 --> 00:53:25.050
on the wrong side of the bed and they have
811
00:53:25.090 --> 00:53:27.400
a bad day or whatever. just to say that they're
812
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.159
all good or bad. But I do feel like there's
813
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:35.510
like this cosmic code of enlightenment that, you know, to
814
00:53:35.550 --> 00:53:38.650
have that type of technology and to survive up there,
815
00:53:38.670 --> 00:53:40.829
there has to be some type of code of ethics
816
00:53:40.949 --> 00:53:45.239
or code of conducts. And I really do feel like,
817
00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:48.619
you know, if there is a war, I don't feel
818
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:51.380
like they're that, you know, that bad. You know, the
819
00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:53.460
beings that are out there that have been, I feel
820
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:57.500
like they've been here you know, since the beginning, watching
821
00:53:57.619 --> 00:54:01.239
over us. I mean, there's cave paintings and all types of,
822
00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:03.429
it's mentioned in the holy books, they've been here. So
823
00:54:03.469 --> 00:54:06.949
if they wanted to destroy mankind or whatever the case is,
824
00:54:06.989 --> 00:54:09.429
they could have done that. That's not what they want
825
00:54:09.469 --> 00:54:12.610
to do. Now, if we're getting into some of the
826
00:54:12.650 --> 00:54:15.929
theories of some of the ancient alien stuff and the
827
00:54:15.989 --> 00:54:18.579
12th planet and all of this, Zacharias Sitchin, that they've
828
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.699
created humans to be a slave race to you know,
829
00:54:21.739 --> 00:54:24.750
to mine gold or, you know, whatever the case is,
830
00:54:25.329 --> 00:54:26.889
you know, some of that stuff may make sense that
831
00:54:26.909 --> 00:54:29.429
they're just watching over the planet and making sure that
832
00:54:29.469 --> 00:54:34.789
everything goes as planned, almost as a pet or, you know,
833
00:54:34.829 --> 00:54:38.469
looking into a, you know, a hamster cage or an
834
00:54:38.829 --> 00:54:42.210
ant colony or something, making sure everything goes good. Do
835
00:54:42.409 --> 00:54:45.769
you not have any opinions on what's really taking place?
836
00:54:47.369 --> 00:54:53.010
Well, they say that UFOs, people began to get that
837
00:54:53.070 --> 00:55:01.789
concept that it was connected with aliens just before we
838
00:55:02.309 --> 00:55:06.949
developed our own space program. Before that, I think they
839
00:55:06.989 --> 00:55:17.699
had different cultural interpretations. But some people say, well, it
840
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.789
had something to do with us inventing the atomic bomb
841
00:55:20.829 --> 00:55:23.409
and things like that that that drew them in but
842
00:55:23.530 --> 00:55:27.329
actually earth has been here for like four billion years
843
00:55:28.050 --> 00:55:35.530
and it's had the characteristics where the astronomers from way
844
00:55:35.630 --> 00:55:38.130
off would know that it could have our type of
845
00:55:38.210 --> 00:55:42.860
life and the universe is much much older than earth
846
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:48.719
and so more advanced types of beings would probably have
847
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:54.800
known that we're here for a lot longer than Earth existed.
848
00:55:54.820 --> 00:55:57.360
I mean, even from our type of sun, they might
849
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:00.239
be able to tell, you know, that this sun has
850
00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:03.599
the characteristics where it may have planets with our type
851
00:56:03.619 --> 00:56:06.820
of life. So I imagine that beings in the universe
852
00:56:06.860 --> 00:56:11.650
have known that we're here for billions and billions and
853
00:56:11.690 --> 00:56:17.170
billions of years. And Earth is covered with life and
854
00:56:17.190 --> 00:56:21.309
we're saying, well, why isn't there life someplace else? well,
855
00:56:21.329 --> 00:56:29.760
we don't know, and maybe we're prevented from knowing. Maybe
856
00:56:30.139 --> 00:56:35.309
our reality is kind of limited, and we're just sort of,
857
00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:39.280
I won't say in a matrix, but maybe we just
858
00:56:40.110 --> 00:56:46.550
are not evolved enough to understand that there's other life
859
00:56:46.590 --> 00:56:48.710
forms around, and maybe they're here all the time.
860
00:56:51.250 --> 00:56:56.250
Yeah, I do believe in some type of etheric field
861
00:56:56.269 --> 00:56:58.920
that exists around us where there's entities that live or
862
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:02.599
disembodied spirits. And, you know, some believe, especially with the
863
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.420
flat earth stuff, is that they don't believe like they
864
00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:07.500
believe in UFOs and they believe in these entities, but
865
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.380
they don't believe that they come from space. They believe
866
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:12.019
that they come from just right here in our midst
867
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.199
and they're able to pop in and out through other
868
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:18.409
portals of dimensions and things like that. But when it
869
00:57:18.449 --> 00:57:22.739
comes to we're not ready. to, I guess, as a
870
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.239
species to evolve or we're not ready to handle the information,
871
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.219
somebody knows about it, right? The government, someone knows, whether
872
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.480
it's the Vatican, which probably holds some keys, you know,
873
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.460
the government, they know stuff and they're keeping it secret
874
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:45.320
for a reason. Why would they keep this secret? A
875
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.260
lot of people say that all the world religions will
876
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:51.840
fall apart and That's an old notion. I don't believe that.
877
00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:55.829
I think that they've done polls and they've asked people
878
00:57:55.869 --> 00:58:01.929
how many people believe in the existence of aliens or UFOs.
879
00:58:02.590 --> 00:58:05.380
The numbers are staggering where people are just okay with
880
00:58:05.429 --> 00:58:09.199
it and they kind of believe. Whether there was periods
881
00:58:09.260 --> 00:58:13.400
of conditioning through the media, through ancient aliens and pushing that,
882
00:58:13.780 --> 00:58:16.079
they just get people ready to get the Pope. The
883
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:19.449
Pope had a lot of quotes that he was getting
884
00:58:19.489 --> 00:58:22.070
people ready and saying, Hey, well, maybe if they do exist,
885
00:58:22.110 --> 00:58:25.070
there are space brothers and we can win them to
886
00:58:25.130 --> 00:58:27.409
Jesus as well. You know, all these weird quotes from
887
00:58:27.429 --> 00:58:30.380
the Pope and different world leaders and stuff like that,
888
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.500
just kind of maybe getting the people ready. I don't
889
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:35.840
think that if the government came out and told us
890
00:58:35.900 --> 00:58:40.820
the truth, that it would cause pandemonium unless maybe if
891
00:58:41.030 --> 00:58:45.110
we were at war, maybe that would cause pandemonium. Um,
892
00:58:46.010 --> 00:58:49.309
that we're fighting against them, that they are our creators
893
00:58:49.389 --> 00:58:52.590
and they want to come back. And maybe we're, we
894
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.880
don't want to give up our thrones, you know, as
895
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.199
far as us, I say, you know, the world leaders,
896
00:58:59.420 --> 00:59:02.099
you know, maybe that's the reason. I mean, I have
897
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.159
to believe that, that it can't be something that's just
898
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:08.769
easy for us to believe that they exist unless there's
899
00:59:08.789 --> 00:59:12.519
some type of galactic war that's been going on for
900
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:14.900
a long time and we're a part of it um
901
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.460
obviously we're a part of something now by the name
902
00:59:17.500 --> 00:59:20.119
of space force because that's a thing you know that's
903
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.420
not even that's a thing now so something's going on
904
00:59:23.460 --> 00:59:26.539
and i you know maybe the existence is one thing
905
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.420
but then again what you know the agenda may be another,
906
00:59:31.179 --> 00:59:33.199
you know, maybe that's why they won't tell us because
907
00:59:33.219 --> 00:59:35.780
there is, then they would have to eventually disclose an
908
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:41.059
agenda and who they are. We owe them something. You know,
909
00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:44.079
we've exchanged technology. Now we've signed treaties with them that
910
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:46.280
they can abduct people or whatever. There's a lot of
911
00:59:46.300 --> 00:59:50.329
different theories out there, but what, I mean, what kind
912
00:59:50.349 --> 00:59:53.429
of thoughts, you know, have you do, do you wrestle
913
00:59:53.449 --> 00:59:54.769
with when it comes to this? Cause there's a lot
914
00:59:54.809 --> 00:59:58.789
of government involvement, Why would they be withholding this information?
915
00:59:59.309 --> 01:00:02.250
Why don't they want the average Joe to know the
916
01:00:02.309 --> 01:00:05.570
truth that this is a part of our reality? They
917
01:00:05.670 --> 01:00:09.250
do exist. Why wouldn't they want the American people or
918
01:00:09.969 --> 01:00:12.349
the people of Earth to know that they exist?
919
01:00:14.610 --> 01:00:16.730
One of my thoughts is, what if the government is
920
01:00:16.789 --> 01:00:20.679
under mind control from the top parts of the government
921
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:25.940
are under mind control from the UFO phenomenon? That would
922
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:30.809
be bad and it would be bad because we wouldn't
923
01:00:30.849 --> 01:00:33.849
be finding out anything it seems to me like transparency
924
01:00:33.889 --> 01:00:36.409
would be the best thing but it's not the way
925
01:00:36.469 --> 01:00:41.340
it's organized and I think when people first got the
926
01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:44.440
idea of UFOs they were thinking about oh these are
927
01:00:44.739 --> 01:00:49.340
Russian craft or things and they wanted to find out
928
01:00:49.460 --> 01:00:53.739
all about them and keep the enemies the other countries
929
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:55.800
from knowing and say well we know all about them
930
01:00:55.820 --> 01:00:59.599
and the other countries don't. And, you know, and so
931
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.719
I think that's how it started. And it started, um,
932
01:01:04.949 --> 01:01:09.610
as classified information from the very beginning because they interpreted
933
01:01:09.630 --> 01:01:14.550
it as, uh, from other countries. And I think it's
934
01:01:14.630 --> 01:01:19.019
been in the military ever since, instead of in scientific
935
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:25.420
research where it should have been. And so, um, It
936
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:29.440
still is in the military and the government, which will
937
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:36.159
hide things and use ridicule and everything else to keep
938
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:43.320
people from studying it, which they have. So, I mean,
939
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:47.969
I just wonder if there might be some kind of
940
01:01:48.010 --> 01:01:52.230
mind control influencing the government from the UFO phenomenon.
941
01:01:53.539 --> 01:01:58.699
Well, maybe that's where it comes into the whole demon thing, influencing,
942
01:01:59.260 --> 01:02:01.800
you know, the minds of the leaders who are doing
943
01:02:01.860 --> 01:02:04.940
bad things or whatever the case is or holding stuff back.
944
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.139
You know, there's a lot of theories out there about,
945
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.010
you know, the origins of civilization and, you know, who
946
01:02:11.050 --> 01:02:14.489
we are and who our leaders are at that, that
947
01:02:14.989 --> 01:02:18.230
elite bloodline and who, you know, what, you know, where
948
01:02:18.269 --> 01:02:21.590
they come from or they even come from, you know,
949
01:02:21.630 --> 01:02:25.820
another solar system, you know, themselves or the different races
950
01:02:26.139 --> 01:02:28.309
down here on the earth or just, you know, are
951
01:02:28.449 --> 01:02:33.590
seated from different galactic, uh, you know, organizations as well. Um, it,
952
01:02:33.670 --> 01:02:37.630
it really, it really gets the mind working, but just
953
01:02:37.710 --> 01:02:41.070
knowing that something exists, even though we can't put our
954
01:02:41.150 --> 01:02:44.130
finger on it, something's going on. And I think that's
955
01:02:44.190 --> 01:02:48.519
enough research to just really get people exploring and trying
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01:02:48.579 --> 01:02:51.659
to make contact and, um, stuff like that. Have you
957
01:02:51.699 --> 01:02:54.750
ever tried to make contact? I mean, You know, the whole,
958
01:02:55.230 --> 01:02:58.510
you know, close encounters for the first, second, third, fourth. And,
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01:02:58.590 --> 01:03:02.150
you know, we have the fifth kind and CE5 initiative
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01:03:02.190 --> 01:03:06.469
where people are now going out, not being contacted themselves,
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01:03:06.530 --> 01:03:10.179
but they're trying to initiate contact. Have you ever been
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01:03:10.219 --> 01:03:11.880
a part of any of those type of groups of
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01:03:11.940 --> 01:03:16.179
stargazing and trying to communicate? You're talking about this mind
964
01:03:16.219 --> 01:03:20.340
control and dealing with that could be dealing with telepathic communication.
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Have you ever experienced any of that stuff? And do
966
01:03:24.380 --> 01:03:27.860
you feel a connection with them? Maybe when you gaze
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01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:30.769
at the stars, I mean, that's where you come from.
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01:03:30.789 --> 01:03:34.590
Is there a connection there? Does any of that ring
969
01:03:34.610 --> 01:03:38.869
a bell for you with trying to say, hey, who
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01:03:38.969 --> 01:03:43.010
are you? And kind of engaging contact yourself. There's a
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lot of people doing it. And some people claim to
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have success doing it.
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I never tried it because it seemed like what happened
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was that my sister and I were contacted. Well, like
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we had our first experience before we ever heard of UFOs.
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01:04:05.590 --> 01:04:09.050
And so we weren't trying to contact anything. And we
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were both terrified. And I wonder if fear is nature's
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01:04:15.670 --> 01:04:18.070
way of telling you to be careful or things like that.
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And so I think I've been invited to go with
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01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.739
people that say they see UFOs all the time, and
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01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:32.510
I'm curious about that, and I've wanted to go, and
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01:04:32.550 --> 01:04:35.949
somehow I just haven't made it. So I haven't really
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01:04:37.210 --> 01:04:42.070
explored the idea of contacting them because I have a
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01:04:42.110 --> 01:04:42.960
cautious nature.
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01:04:44.940 --> 01:04:47.179
You're not the only one. There's a lot of people
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01:04:47.219 --> 01:04:49.980
who we start talking about things like that and they
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01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:53.260
just throw up a red flag. Be careful. You know,
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01:04:53.949 --> 01:04:54.550
I just released.
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01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:57.789
Be careful. Maybe it's fear or something like that.
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01:04:59.230 --> 01:05:04.510
I just released a new T-shirt and it's a it's
991
01:05:04.550 --> 01:05:09.409
a it's a picture of my little character being abducted
992
01:05:09.449 --> 01:05:12.960
or taken away. My logo by aliens on a ship.
993
01:05:13.099 --> 01:05:15.980
It's pretty cool T-shirt. Um, just release that. But then
994
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.599
some of the comments, people are saying, be careful. What
995
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:24.110
if your shirt facilitates that? Maybe you will let that
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01:05:24.130 --> 01:05:27.550
happen and you get taken away upon a ship. Um,
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01:05:28.389 --> 01:05:31.349
I've had a lot of close encounters and, um, and
998
01:05:31.369 --> 01:05:33.530
there is that fear that still gets there when you
999
01:05:33.610 --> 01:05:36.300
see a craft, there's that awe and wonder as long
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01:05:36.340 --> 01:05:38.360
as they stay far away. But when they come in
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01:05:39.059 --> 01:05:42.570
the programming, the movies, um, all of these type of things,
1002
01:05:42.610 --> 01:05:46.070
it comes back to say, oh, what if? What if
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01:05:46.610 --> 01:05:48.809
fire in the sky was really a true story and
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01:05:48.829 --> 01:05:50.690
it happened like that and they're going to take me
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01:05:50.710 --> 01:05:53.170
and not bring me back? You still have to battle
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01:05:53.449 --> 01:05:56.570
with the fear and stuff, but I think you really
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01:05:56.610 --> 01:06:00.550
have to move past that to initiate anything. I mean,
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01:06:00.710 --> 01:06:04.449
fear is what cripples people. Fear holds people in dead-end
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01:06:04.489 --> 01:06:08.289
jobs to not step out and fulfill their passion because
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01:06:08.429 --> 01:06:11.199
what if I don't make it? What if I fall
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01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.920
on my face. What if I get abducted? You know,
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01:06:14.980 --> 01:06:16.739
so there is that fear that's there, but at the
1013
01:06:16.780 --> 01:06:18.849
same time, it could be a healthy fear and it's
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01:06:18.909 --> 01:06:21.909
a fear for a reason. But, you know, there's people
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01:06:21.969 --> 01:06:29.070
doing it and, you know, I guess encourage exploration and
1016
01:06:29.110 --> 01:06:31.769
just like to hear about people's encounters, you know.
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01:06:33.469 --> 01:06:37.099
I'm exploring, but I'm not inviting everything into my mind
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01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:38.059
that might be there.
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01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:42.820
So, But you've never had that? You don't think you've
1020
01:06:42.889 --> 01:06:46.750
ever had that telepathic communication where they say, hey, look up.
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01:06:47.050 --> 01:06:48.789
Here we are. And you look up and you see
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01:06:48.829 --> 01:06:50.289
them or anything like that?
1023
01:06:51.090 --> 01:06:54.409
Yeah, sort of. Sometimes just by the coincidences.
1024
01:06:55.389 --> 01:07:01.820
It's a strong coincidence. Hey, look up. There they are.
1025
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:07.260
I wonder, is this really some kind of a communication
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01:07:07.300 --> 01:07:09.480
or was it coincidence? And I don't know. Yeah.
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01:07:10.659 --> 01:07:13.000
I think if it starts happening more and more, you know,
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01:07:13.460 --> 01:07:15.800
you start having a couple of them, maybe once or twice.
1029
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.119
But when it's like a bunch of things like, you know,
1030
01:07:18.139 --> 01:07:21.460
people talk about synchronicities and seeing the same numbers, seeing
1031
01:07:21.510 --> 01:07:24.750
the same, hearing the same phrases, those type of things
1032
01:07:24.929 --> 01:07:26.969
over and over. Hold on. Something is trying to get
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01:07:27.010 --> 01:07:31.250
my attention, whether it's, you know, God or the we
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01:07:31.409 --> 01:07:34.139
say God or we could say the angels or they
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01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:35.579
could be the ETs that.
1036
01:07:37.110 --> 01:07:37.650
Hold all of.
1037
01:07:37.650 --> 01:07:41.820
This stuff together, you know, and are here communicating with
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01:07:41.889 --> 01:07:44.239
us or you talking about having the government under mind
1039
01:07:44.300 --> 01:07:46.900
control or have us all under some type of weird
1040
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:51.079
mind control. I mean, if the government's being controlled, I mean,
1041
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:54.420
they regulate what's on the television and what we put
1042
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.360
into our bodies and all kinds of stuff. So it's
1043
01:07:57.380 --> 01:07:59.920
like if you have the head, then all of us
1044
01:07:59.980 --> 01:08:05.119
are kind of by default in this weird, you know,
1045
01:08:06.030 --> 01:08:09.570
You know what I'm saying? Disillusion as well in our
1046
01:08:09.630 --> 01:08:12.659
own reality and what we believe is real in this
1047
01:08:12.699 --> 01:08:15.940
life and existence. And it does leave us with more questions.
1048
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.380
It's not as simple as, oh, you know, and even
1049
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.840
as people in the comment section here watching this live
1050
01:08:20.859 --> 01:08:22.970
and saying, oh, they're demons. They're just demons. It's like,
1051
01:08:24.050 --> 01:08:26.449
I don't think it's that easy. Like, it maybe makes
1052
01:08:26.510 --> 01:08:28.430
us feel good. Like, we have it all figured out.
1053
01:08:28.470 --> 01:08:31.670
But we, I don't think we know. And maybe even
1054
01:08:31.729 --> 01:08:34.930
the people... At the top, we're talking about the world
1055
01:08:34.970 --> 01:08:37.579
leaders and the religious leaders and thinking that they know.
1056
01:08:38.260 --> 01:08:41.140
Maybe they just know a portion or a fraction of
1057
01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:44.220
what it is that is really going on and how
1058
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:48.800
it operates and who's who, maybe, of this type of
1059
01:08:49.500 --> 01:08:52.550
galactic alliance or federation. Or maybe they've been lied to
1060
01:08:52.609 --> 01:08:55.350
as well. I don't know. It does intrigue me, though.
1061
01:08:55.869 --> 01:08:59.430
And I've given my life, much like you, to trying
1062
01:08:59.470 --> 01:09:03.500
to understand what's going on and you know and I'm
1063
01:09:03.859 --> 01:09:05.680
left here asking more questions at the end of the
1064
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:11.159
day which is what usually happens but you know people.
1065
01:09:11.060 --> 01:09:13.979
Want to protect their power too which may have something
1066
01:09:14.020 --> 01:09:17.710
to do with the government not admitting that things can
1067
01:09:17.770 --> 01:09:19.930
fly around that we have no control over.
1068
01:09:22.909 --> 01:09:29.520
Yeah, and there's definitely whether, say, a race for power
1069
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:34.340
or a thirst for power or wanting to keep your throne,
1070
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:39.100
you know, your thrones of dominion over the earth. And
1071
01:09:40.350 --> 01:09:43.489
something's going on. And we're left here with more questions.
1072
01:09:43.510 --> 01:09:46.810
But the good thing about these conversations is that other people...
1073
01:09:48.060 --> 01:09:50.359
you know, are listening to these and they hear stories
1074
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:52.939
like that you've had, like when you were younger, you
1075
01:09:52.979 --> 01:09:55.579
and your sister, and they've had similar stories as well,
1076
01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:59.149
similar encounters. And I'm reading here in the comment section,
1077
01:09:59.170 --> 01:10:02.149
people are saying, yeah, I've had something similar as well.
1078
01:10:02.229 --> 01:10:03.449
And to let you know, hold on, first of all,
1079
01:10:03.470 --> 01:10:05.569
I'm not crazy. You know, I don't need to go
1080
01:10:05.609 --> 01:10:08.689
see a psychiatrist. Other people are having similar encounters. Let's
1081
01:10:08.729 --> 01:10:11.359
get to the bottom of it and at least let
1082
01:10:11.420 --> 01:10:13.479
us reason and try to figure out what's going on.
1083
01:10:14.020 --> 01:10:17.840
There's something strange about We're talking about the kids who
1084
01:10:17.899 --> 01:10:19.880
are having these encounters, right? People who have had this
1085
01:10:19.939 --> 01:10:22.479
encounter when they were three or four or five years old,
1086
01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:25.579
you know, and it marks them. It sets them out
1087
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:31.350
on this path of, you know, seeking out the divine,
1088
01:10:31.470 --> 01:10:33.949
asking the bigger questions and getting to the bottom of it.
1089
01:10:34.449 --> 01:10:37.069
Whether it's the divine that's marking them or, hey, I
1090
01:10:37.130 --> 01:10:39.109
need you to kind of, this is how I'm going
1091
01:10:39.149 --> 01:10:40.789
to prep you. I'm going to say hello to you
1092
01:10:40.829 --> 01:10:42.149
when you're a kid. I'm going to come in your
1093
01:10:42.189 --> 01:10:44.630
room and let you know. What's going on that's going
1094
01:10:44.649 --> 01:10:46.970
to shape the course of your life that's going to
1095
01:10:47.010 --> 01:10:49.350
lead you to ask the bigger questions and into these
1096
01:10:49.390 --> 01:10:54.550
different fields of research and things like that. So I
1097
01:10:54.590 --> 01:10:58.529
really enjoyed this conversation. If there's any anybody who wants
1098
01:10:58.550 --> 01:11:01.149
to check out your work, you've got several books, some
1099
01:11:01.220 --> 01:11:03.939
interesting ones at that. If people want to check out
1100
01:11:03.979 --> 01:11:06.079
your work, check out your books. Where's the best place
1101
01:11:06.100 --> 01:11:07.520
for them to look that stuff up at?
1102
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:13.350
My website is Irena Scott dot com. And they can
1103
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.800
just put in the name Irina Scott and it should
1104
01:11:15.859 --> 01:11:20.500
pop up. It shows my books. And if they click
1105
01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:24.819
on a book, it just immediately goes to Amazon.com and
1106
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:25.399
they can order.
1107
01:11:26.819 --> 01:11:31.470
One of the books here that catches my attention, God
1108
01:11:31.529 --> 01:11:36.869
is a Woman, the Origins of Yahweh, Allah, and the
1109
01:11:36.949 --> 01:11:41.920
Gods of India and Asia. What's the premise of that?
1110
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:43.539
I feel like that would make for a good episode
1111
01:11:43.579 --> 01:11:43.899
as well.
1112
01:11:46.579 --> 01:11:51.899
That's the evidence that the original religion for most of
1113
01:11:51.930 --> 01:11:56.689
the time humans have existed has been a goddess, a
1114
01:11:56.770 --> 01:12:03.590
female goddess, and that the religions that we have now
1115
01:12:03.649 --> 01:12:11.050
with a male are derivative of the original religion. religion
1116
01:12:11.930 --> 01:12:15.609
and that maybe the original religion was different and more
1117
01:12:15.750 --> 01:12:23.529
open-minded than some of the so-called religions we have now
1118
01:12:23.550 --> 01:12:31.140
that worship males as the deity that today's religions are
1119
01:12:31.180 --> 01:12:34.359
kind of competitive where the Muslims are killing the Jews
1120
01:12:34.420 --> 01:12:37.720
and the Jews are killing somebody the Christians are killing
1121
01:12:37.779 --> 01:12:40.479
somebody else and there's a whole lot of strife that
1122
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:45.199
maybe that really isn't religion. Maybe religion is following the
1123
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.899
golden rule and doing things to help other people, regardless
1124
01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:53.149
of their appearance or, you know, nationality or religion or
1125
01:12:53.189 --> 01:12:55.909
anything else. Yeah. Those things.
1126
01:12:56.729 --> 01:12:59.109
What did it say? You know, God made man in
1127
01:12:59.149 --> 01:13:02.600
his own image and then man, you know, turned around
1128
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:06.460
and created God in his own image, you know, created
1129
01:13:06.500 --> 01:13:09.949
a fashion to God. after their own liking, hey, this
1130
01:13:10.010 --> 01:13:13.369
is how we want God. It's very funny how your
1131
01:13:13.430 --> 01:13:16.949
God loves or hates the things that you love and hate.
1132
01:13:17.949 --> 01:13:24.039
You know, your religious upbringing or God doesn't like gay people. Well, no,
1133
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:27.119
you don't like gay people. And, you know, God doesn't
1134
01:13:27.180 --> 01:13:31.310
tolerate this, but he tolerates that. He doesn't get into this,
1135
01:13:31.729 --> 01:13:33.869
but that's okay. We're not going to address that. We're
1136
01:13:33.890 --> 01:13:35.890
going to sweep that under the rug. And it has
1137
01:13:35.930 --> 01:13:40.920
so much to do with control and fashioning a God
1138
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:44.060
after our own image and likeness, which at the end
1139
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:47.779
of the day is idolatry, creating a God after our
1140
01:13:47.859 --> 01:13:50.619
own image. And so you see that a lot and
1141
01:13:50.659 --> 01:13:54.279
it moves into cognitive dissidence and people, you know, they
1142
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:57.199
don't even, they don't even ask these bigger questions about
1143
01:13:57.260 --> 01:14:00.880
why they, you know, believe in a type of God
1144
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:05.869
that caters to them. And it's the same way with, uh,
1145
01:14:05.890 --> 01:14:10.100
I'll talk about, um, you know, the medium world where
1146
01:14:10.140 --> 01:14:13.819
people are channeling and mediums and how convenient that the
1147
01:14:13.859 --> 01:14:16.619
information is coming through is, is stuff that they already
1148
01:14:16.689 --> 01:14:19.210
believe and things that they want to say, but they
1149
01:14:19.250 --> 01:14:21.850
can't say it unless they have a channel, you know?
1150
01:14:21.930 --> 01:14:24.810
And so religion even acts as a channel to, to
1151
01:14:24.850 --> 01:14:27.890
really say how you really feel and how bitter you
1152
01:14:27.930 --> 01:14:32.510
may be or how hatred, you know what I'm You know,
1153
01:14:32.550 --> 01:14:34.949
how pleasing your God feels the same way, you know,
1154
01:14:34.989 --> 01:14:37.069
in each and every one of these or how liberal
1155
01:14:37.109 --> 01:14:40.449
you are. Your God's liberal mind, too. So it's really interesting.
1156
01:14:40.510 --> 01:14:42.609
I'd love to have a conversation with you about that
1157
01:14:42.689 --> 01:14:45.189
one as well. We'll have to do it again. Good.
1158
01:14:45.229 --> 01:14:48.289
All right, my friend. Well, I really appreciate you hanging
1159
01:14:48.329 --> 01:14:50.689
out with me and we'll do it again very soon.
1160
01:14:50.729 --> 01:14:51.560
Thanks so much for coming on.
1161
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:54.880
Well, thank you very much for inviting me and having me.
1162
01:14:54.899 --> 01:14:56.560
You're very interesting to talk to.
1163
01:14:57.340 --> 01:15:00.539
Thank you, my friend. We'll do it again. Great. Thank you.
1164
01:15:00.779 --> 01:15:07.659
Bye bye. Bye. Great conversation, ladies and gentlemen. Dr. Irina Scott.
1165
01:15:08.619 --> 01:15:10.640
Good stuff. At the end of the day, man, like
1166
01:15:11.340 --> 01:15:16.649
more questions. You think you know, but you have no idea.
1167
01:15:18.689 --> 01:15:22.029
Just when you turn the leaf, there's so much more.
1168
01:15:24.770 --> 01:15:27.210
More questions, more questions, more questions. And then, you know,
1169
01:15:28.270 --> 01:15:33.729
a life of pursuit, but still... Can't put your finger
1170
01:15:33.829 --> 01:15:36.670
on it. Can't say that this is exactly what it is.
1171
01:15:36.729 --> 01:15:38.710
And I really do question the people who claim to
1172
01:15:38.750 --> 01:15:41.260
have it all figured out. But then again, in my mind,
1173
01:15:41.300 --> 01:15:44.699
I'm like, isn't that kind of pompous of me to
1174
01:15:44.739 --> 01:15:47.899
say just because I don't have it figured out means
1175
01:15:47.939 --> 01:15:49.800
that they don't have it figured out. That's kind of
1176
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:54.319
pompous of me to say, right? Just because I don't
1177
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:56.319
know it all doesn't mean that they don't know it all.
1178
01:15:57.149 --> 01:16:01.409
But I really don't think that they do. I'm trying
1179
01:16:01.430 --> 01:16:03.560
to get to the bottom of this. I've given my
1180
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:07.579
life into pursuit of this and how it works, the
1181
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:14.819
spirit realm, God, the angels, demons, devils, entities, fairies, all
1182
01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:19.510
of that stuff. Are they real? Or are they real
1183
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:25.869
if you believe it? That's deep. They exist if you
1184
01:16:25.890 --> 01:16:29.630
think they do. I really lean more towards that now.
1185
01:16:31.189 --> 01:16:34.149
If you believe that they exist, then they do. Even
1186
01:16:34.210 --> 01:16:37.310
if it's just for you, in your mind, in your reality,
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in your imagination. Whatsoever a man thinketh in his heart,
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01:16:42.449 --> 01:16:47.880
so shall he be. Whatever you shall believe, nothing shall
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by any means be impossible unto you. It becomes real
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01:16:52.140 --> 01:16:57.100
just for you, in your world. Write a book. Tell people.
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01:16:57.220 --> 01:17:01.220
Do a podcast. Do music. Get a budget. Begin to
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01:17:01.779 --> 01:17:07.380
roll out this idea. Market it. Maybe create apps in
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01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:16.229
the internet and algorithms that stifle other opinions. And promote yours.
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01:17:17.729 --> 01:17:20.170
To change the narrative. To change the way that we think.
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01:17:21.550 --> 01:17:24.989
To push that narrative out there. To make people think
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01:17:25.050 --> 01:17:27.529
that this is real. Whatever it is that you believe.
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If not the old souls, if not us, we're stuck
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in our ways at this point, right? If not us,
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maybe the next generation. Maybe to make them think that
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01:17:37.210 --> 01:17:40.210
this is okay. Maybe for them to think that this
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01:17:40.270 --> 01:17:42.409
is the way people should think or this is the
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01:17:42.449 --> 01:17:45.770
way you engage with people or engage with God or
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01:17:45.810 --> 01:17:48.949
engage with sex or engage with culture. This is the
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01:17:49.010 --> 01:17:52.770
right way, right? They write the narrative, changing up the narrative.
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01:17:53.510 --> 01:17:58.229
This is what we're dealing with, man. It's crazy. The
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01:17:58.329 --> 01:18:01.149
universe works in such a way. We had this discussion
1207
01:18:01.189 --> 01:18:05.380
this morning, me, Watchman, and The Voice, just about how
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01:18:05.420 --> 01:18:07.739
the internet is fashioned in such a way that you
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01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:12.600
can pretty much find any information that you're looking for.
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01:18:14.020 --> 01:18:16.140
You can go to Google, be your best friend, and
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01:18:16.220 --> 01:18:19.239
you look up something, you're going to find it. I
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01:18:19.260 --> 01:18:23.000
remember years ago, just looking up, I woke up and
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01:18:23.020 --> 01:18:30.399
there was this loud... humming noise outside and it sounded
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01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:32.399
like a diesel engine it was like five in the
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01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:35.039
morning i needed to get up at like six for
1216
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:39.779
work i woke up and when i go outside i'm
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01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:42.310
like what the heck is that noise it just sounds
1218
01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:44.930
it sounds like a diesel engine crank that sounds like
1219
01:18:44.970 --> 01:18:48.729
a loud truck but it's just permeating the atmosphere almost
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01:18:48.750 --> 01:18:51.859
feeling like it's coming from above So I get online,
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01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:55.579
and this is when I'm doing Illuminati, UFO research, all
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01:18:55.619 --> 01:18:58.050
that kind of stuff at the time. This was probably
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01:18:58.090 --> 01:19:05.850
back in 2009, maybe. So I look up UFO sound
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01:19:06.310 --> 01:19:10.819
diesel engine. I found a website. I found a website
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01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:14.100
where people are talking about seeing UFOs that when they
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01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:20.029
seen them, they sound like a diesel truck running an engine.
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01:19:23.649 --> 01:19:26.630
It's like, wow. It's like, so there, Hey, I got proof.
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01:19:26.989 --> 01:19:29.649
It was a UFO somewhere out there. It was pretty low.
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01:19:30.670 --> 01:19:33.079
You know, Google exists in a way that you find
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01:19:33.100 --> 01:19:36.460
what you're looking for. You'll find someone that believes that
1231
01:19:36.500 --> 01:19:40.329
you'll find, religion. You'll find a church even that believes
1232
01:19:40.369 --> 01:19:42.819
what you believe in, caters to what you believe in.
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01:19:42.850 --> 01:19:45.529
I used to go to a church that catered to bikers.
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01:19:45.590 --> 01:19:51.439
Everyone had mohawks, purple hair, nose piercings, wore leather jackets.
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And that was the church. They catered to those people.
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01:19:55.220 --> 01:19:57.180
There was a church right across the street that caters
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01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:03.039
to upper class white people. They did not allow homeless
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01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.279
in their church. The homeless people came, they turned them away.
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01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:08.210
They actually brought them to the biker church. You know,
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01:20:08.229 --> 01:20:13.829
there's a religion, there's a church, the internet, all work
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01:20:13.869 --> 01:20:16.529
in such a way that you find what you're looking for.
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01:20:16.569 --> 01:20:19.229
But I believe that the universe works in such a way.
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Not just the internet, but the universe. And so some
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01:20:24.130 --> 01:20:26.569
of these concepts that may seem far out to someone,
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01:20:27.189 --> 01:20:30.829
some of these concepts that, again, people do laugh at,
1246
01:20:30.869 --> 01:20:33.829
people do scoff at, they think you're crazy, you know,
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01:20:35.010 --> 01:20:38.149
It's truth for you. You've experienced it. You've encountered it.
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01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.979
The other people have no idea what the heck you're
1249
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:47.520
talking about. No idea what you're talking about. But you've
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01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:51.479
encountered it. You've been to those realms. You've done the research.
1251
01:20:52.609 --> 01:20:58.729
But then again, don't let that pride overtake you and
1252
01:20:58.789 --> 01:21:01.649
feel like a know-it-all because you've done the research, because
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01:21:01.670 --> 01:21:04.399
you have the experience. You have to approach it with
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01:21:05.220 --> 01:21:08.319
A sense of grace. A sense of mercy. Because you
1255
01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.260
were just like them at one point when someone pulled
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01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:14.100
you aside and tried to give you some truth or
1257
01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:16.819
pulled you aside and tried to correct you on some
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01:21:16.859 --> 01:21:20.289
things and you didn't want to hear it. So now
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01:21:20.329 --> 01:21:22.250
that you so-called have the truth and you want to
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01:21:22.310 --> 01:21:24.850
share it, you have to show those people that same grace.
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Show those people that same grace that was shown to you.
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01:21:30.710 --> 01:21:34.310
That's all you can do. No more, no less. As
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01:21:34.380 --> 01:21:38.189
it was given... Freely given to you, freely received, freely
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01:21:38.210 --> 01:21:44.020
give it. That's what you got to do. You'll find
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01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:46.960
what you're looking for. I got friends who, like I said, again,
1266
01:21:47.060 --> 01:21:52.199
they look for the evil in everything. I mean, there's common,
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01:21:52.220 --> 01:21:55.939
you just go through the comment section of YouTube, especially
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01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:58.100
anything spiritual. I got a lot of people sending me,
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01:21:58.810 --> 01:22:02.229
still sending me Stephen Bancar's videos. Please don't send me
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01:22:02.270 --> 01:22:08.159
Stephen Bancar's videos. I don't want to see them. It's counterintuitive, counterproductive.
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01:22:08.899 --> 01:22:10.500
I know what he's about. I know what he brings.
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01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.739
He's trying to debunk everything that, you know, my show,
1273
01:22:14.779 --> 01:22:17.439
everything that I stand for, right? And people still send
1274
01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:20.250
me those videos almost like a slap in the face. See,
1275
01:22:20.310 --> 01:22:22.970
listen to this guy. He's telling you that they're evil.
1276
01:22:23.470 --> 01:22:27.710
He's telling you that meditation is demonic. Publicly, again, please
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01:22:27.949 --> 01:22:30.689
stop sending me Stephen Bancart's videos, people. I've got a
1278
01:22:30.710 --> 01:22:32.630
couple of people who just insist on doing that and
1279
01:22:32.670 --> 01:22:36.960
maybe I'll repent or maybe I'll start believing like he does. Again,
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01:22:38.140 --> 01:22:41.100
you'll find whatever you're looking for. We've talked about this
1281
01:22:41.220 --> 01:22:45.460
so many times. Go online right now. We should just. OK,
1282
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:48.520
we're doing an experiment. For those of you who are
1283
01:22:48.539 --> 01:22:51.760
listening on the podcast apps visually, you won't be able
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01:22:51.779 --> 01:22:53.800
to see this, but I'll try to explain it and
1285
01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:58.579
do decent commentary. So let's see. Only me. Let's see
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01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:01.000
me and web. Here we go. So here's me and
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01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:05.789
the computer. We're going to go to YouTube here. Okay,
1288
01:23:05.829 --> 01:23:09.189
and there's me and YouTube. So, this is what we're
1289
01:23:09.210 --> 01:23:17.770
going to do. We're going to look up videos. Why I.
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Left.
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01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:27.319
Wow. Why I left Christian. Why I left Christianity for Buddhism.
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01:23:27.819 --> 01:23:38.260
Why I left Christian Science. Why I left... Christianity. And
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01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:38.819
we're just going to.
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01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:49.130
Look at this. Tons of videos. Tons of videos. Why
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01:23:49.289 --> 01:23:53.090
an ex-pastor leaves the church says the Bible isn't real.
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01:23:53.529 --> 01:23:58.409
Why I am no longer a Christian. Now, let's just
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01:23:58.449 --> 01:24:03.010
say the person who's kind of green. Let's just say...
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01:24:04.409 --> 01:24:06.489
They don't know a lot of stuff. They haven't researched
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a lot. This is the first video they watch. Corey Fresco.
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Tried to get him on the podcast a couple years ago.
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01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:17.960
Why I left Christianity. And this is the first video
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01:24:17.979 --> 01:24:22.560
you've seen. You'll see this guy. And you may hear
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01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:26.100
his story. And that may be your conclusion. Or you
1304
01:24:26.140 --> 01:24:30.189
may watch six of these videos. And most of these
1305
01:24:30.229 --> 01:24:33.989
people say why they left Christianity. But now they're. pagan
1306
01:24:34.060 --> 01:24:38.420
they left christianity and now they're um atheists or buddhists
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01:24:38.619 --> 01:24:43.319
or they're spiritual right but then again so cory he
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01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:46.869
definitely cory fresco let's just say he definitely deals with
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01:24:46.930 --> 01:24:49.750
more of the the vedic traditions now more of hindu
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01:24:50.630 --> 01:24:53.109
and then say why i left christianity tons of videos
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01:24:53.710 --> 01:24:57.069
it can reshape your mind why i left christianity let's
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01:24:57.100 --> 01:25:03.220
say say why i left hinduism And here you go,
1313
01:25:03.409 --> 01:25:06.359
why I left Hinduism for Christianity. These are going to
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01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:12.420
be a bunch of videos about people who came out
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01:25:12.460 --> 01:25:15.319
of Hinduism. And they're going to tell you bad stuff
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01:25:15.420 --> 01:25:19.399
about Hinduism. They're going to tell you bad stuff about
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01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:23.880
the leaders, bad stuff about the doctrine. They met Jesus,
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01:25:24.020 --> 01:25:26.640
you know what I'm saying? They just believe our religion
1319
01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:29.060
is fake. Whatever the case is, you're going to listen
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01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:32.449
to all these people. This is the same thing. go
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01:25:32.510 --> 01:25:36.850
back these are why I left Christianity Christianity Jesus is
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01:25:37.050 --> 01:25:46.279
very near and dear to my heart right Jesus is
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01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:47.659
very near and dear to my heart and here's a
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01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:51.500
lot of people saying why they left and then on
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01:25:51.539 --> 01:25:59.270
the other hand people have went to Hinduism right keep
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01:25:59.289 --> 01:26:04.779
going meditation Let's just see. You'll probably see my video.
1327
01:26:08.670 --> 01:26:19.869
Meditation is dangerous. Look at that. Meditation is dangerous. Here's Dr.
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01:26:20.010 --> 01:26:23.270
Oz showing you the benefits of meditation. The dark side
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01:26:23.289 --> 01:26:34.090
of meditation. Meditation is demonic. Should Christians meditate Is yoga
1330
01:26:34.170 --> 01:26:36.649
a sin? You know, all of these weird ideas. And
1331
01:26:36.689 --> 01:26:43.579
here's people who have probably had some weird experience meditating
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01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:47.859
or studying information about meditating. And they have a testimony.
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01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:50.579
How God called them out of the new age and
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01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:55.390
away from meditation. And they were called out of it.
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01:26:56.659 --> 01:27:01.050
And you should leave it too. But then again, you're
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01:27:01.069 --> 01:27:05.560
going to find... people who have maybe encountered Jesus during meditation.
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You're going to find people who have changed their life,
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01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:14.729
become better people. They've maybe kicked addiction. I got a
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01:27:14.750 --> 01:27:17.069
friend of mine right now, did a podcast with him, Andrew.
1340
01:27:17.670 --> 01:27:22.149
He meditates 15 minutes every morning, changed his life. Helps
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01:27:22.210 --> 01:27:25.350
him to be mindful, helps him to set the intention
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01:27:25.409 --> 01:27:29.880
for the day. He has a static encounter, beautiful encounters.
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01:27:31.329 --> 01:27:36.529
And you're going to find people on both sides. You're
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01:27:36.550 --> 01:27:40.109
going to find people who disagree and crap on everything.
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01:27:40.140 --> 01:27:48.079
It's just the truth. So for you to say, aliens
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01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:52.199
are demons. I got some other people who have other
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01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:55.159
encounters and they'll tell you something different. Really, when it
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01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.430
comes to ufology and You know, my standpoint, I started
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01:27:58.489 --> 01:28:01.810
off following this stuff or studying this stuff in Christianity.
1350
01:28:02.329 --> 01:28:04.829
Not really, because I was fascinated as a kid. I
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01:28:04.850 --> 01:28:09.609
was scared of them as a kid, though. Then I
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01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:12.260
became a Christian and I got into ufology as a Christian.
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01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.779
But they were all saying the same thing. And I
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01:28:15.819 --> 01:28:19.079
felt like they had an agenda. Most of them were
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01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:22.439
saying that they were demons. You know, because you go
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01:28:22.460 --> 01:28:24.420
to your favorite pastor, that's what they're going to tell you.
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01:28:25.649 --> 01:28:28.909
But if you approach any of these subjects with an
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01:28:29.390 --> 01:28:33.140
open mind and listen to more than one person, you're
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01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:34.600
going to find out that it's a little bit more
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01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:40.159
eclectic than you think. But cognitive dissonance prevents it. us
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01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:45.800
from stepping out of our comfort zone, looking into other ideas,
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01:28:46.180 --> 01:28:49.460
or even we have these ideas that we cling to,
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01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:54.680
and they become idols unto us, a belief system, a church, whatever.
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That was one of my big problems and still is
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01:28:58.770 --> 01:29:05.319
one of my biggest problems with religion and church. It's
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the fact that your pastor believes one thing and it's
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the agreed upon doctrine of the denomination. Of the denomination.
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And if he has a revelation... a divine encounter. Maybe
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he read something in the Bible that was illuminated to
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01:29:29.310 --> 01:29:35.409
him about something that they're teaching that's wrong. They're teaching
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01:29:35.470 --> 01:29:46.229
something that's wrong. And the... I'm sorry, Brenda. I don't
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have the phone lines open. And that pastor finds out
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01:29:50.340 --> 01:29:53.819
this new information. He can't teach it. He has to
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teach the agreed upon doctrine of the church. He has
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to teach the agreed upon doctrine of the assemblies of God,
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of the church of Christ, of whatever, whoever. And I don't,
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that's one thing, man. You have to be open to
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01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:13.060
think that you have the corner, to think that you
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01:30:13.079 --> 01:30:17.859
have the market cornered. To think that you are the know-it-all,
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that you understand it all, you know. especially people when
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they're young. Let's look at Stephen Bancars. This is the
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01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:28.149
dude who like just became a Christian. Now he's an
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01:30:28.229 --> 01:30:31.010
expert on all of it. He just, he just got
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born again. Praise God. He was into some things. He
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01:30:34.130 --> 01:30:39.020
got in over his head, you know, he met Jesus,
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01:30:39.260 --> 01:30:42.239
changed his life. That's a beautiful story. But now he's
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01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:45.659
an expert on Christianity. Now he's an expert on the
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01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:48.020
new age and all this kind of stuff. So, um,
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I don't believe it. I'm not buying it. Just like
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I don't believe Stephen Bancars is an expert. I don't
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believe Corey Good is an expert. I'm sorry. I don't
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believe that most of these people who you hail as experts,
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are they well-spoken? Maybe. Do they wear a nice suit?
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Do they got a great presentation? Do they speak at
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the conferences? Maybe. Does that make them an expert? No,
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not at all. Maybe they're older. Maybe they speak with
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an authority. Even though they're speaking BS, they speak BS
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01:31:22.729 --> 01:31:26.479
with authority and so much so that we just believe it.
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We just were convinced by their performance, by their aura.
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You know, we think that they're telling us the truth.
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01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:39.520
Maybe they speak with an accent. Maybe they speak like
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01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:42.739
Graham Hancock. Maybe they speak like Richard Dolan.
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Right.
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Right. We just believe them because we're just enamored. They
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01:31:50.470 --> 01:31:53.869
sound smart. Maybe I feel that way because I don't
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01:31:53.909 --> 01:31:57.369
think I sound smart. People listen to this and I
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01:31:57.390 --> 01:31:58.989
get made fun of all the time in the comment
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01:31:59.029 --> 01:32:02.430
section about how hood I am or how I think
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01:32:02.489 --> 01:32:05.649
I'm black. Who's this Jav Turkey? I get all those
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01:32:05.689 --> 01:32:10.199
weird comments. But truth is truth at the end of
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the day. It doesn't matter who's speaking it, man. But
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you have to move past At the end of the day,
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truth speaks for itself. It stands for itself. And, you know,
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01:32:26.890 --> 01:32:29.449
I deal with a lot of people, especially a lot
1415
01:32:29.470 --> 01:32:32.510
of Christians who would say, you know, truth is found
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01:32:32.569 --> 01:32:36.250
in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus says, I'm the way,
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01:32:36.270 --> 01:32:37.989
the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the
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01:32:38.029 --> 01:32:42.020
Father except by me. I believe that. But I believe
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01:32:42.060 --> 01:32:45.760
that what that means and what that represents isn't what
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01:32:45.819 --> 01:32:49.590
you think. You think that means about agreeing to your
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01:32:49.630 --> 01:32:53.430
church doctrine, coming and being baptized at your church. Let
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01:32:53.489 --> 01:32:56.789
us all speak the same things and essentially become lemmings.
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01:32:57.390 --> 01:33:01.729
That doesn't mean that that's not what that means. He said,
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01:33:01.770 --> 01:33:03.500
I'm the way, the truth and the life. He's talking
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01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:06.739
about love, man. He love is the way, the truth
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01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.479
and the life. Because all those people who named the
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01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:11.779
name of Christ, that is a part of your denomination.
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01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:16.680
That is a part of your churches. They're racist. They're bigoted.
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01:33:17.380 --> 01:33:21.560
They are the biggest gossipers. They're the biggest back biters. Yeah,
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01:33:21.579 --> 01:33:25.880
they're performing miracles. Yes, they're helping the poor. But Jesus said, look,
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01:33:26.060 --> 01:33:28.369
depart from me. I never knew you. Why do you
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01:33:28.430 --> 01:33:30.609
say you love me and you don't do the things
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01:33:30.630 --> 01:33:33.390
that I tell you to do? It gets a little
1434
01:33:33.430 --> 01:33:40.560
bit complicated, if you will, of what is truth. Jesus
1435
01:33:40.609 --> 01:33:45.000
is truth until we start talking about aliens. Jesus is
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01:33:45.100 --> 01:33:49.680
truth until... We start talking about tithing. Until we start
1437
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:53.800
talking about prophesying. Until we start talking about speaking in tongues.
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01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:56.840
Then it's not about Jesus anymore and it's about these
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01:33:56.899 --> 01:34:01.619
other things that accompany the religion. And it's okay to
1440
01:34:01.659 --> 01:34:05.529
talk about these things. It's okay to differ in your
1441
01:34:05.569 --> 01:34:12.609
opinions of these things. It really is. It's not okay
1442
01:34:13.689 --> 01:34:19.199
to lash out. It's not okay To gossip. It's not
1443
01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:27.060
okay to name call. Slander. That's not okay. And so
1444
01:34:27.079 --> 01:34:35.109
that's what accompanies a lot of these different ideologies, religious beliefs. Though,
1445
01:34:36.109 --> 01:34:39.609
how different we may be, we're all the same at
1446
01:34:39.649 --> 01:34:58.100
the end of the day. Those people... Though we do
1447
01:34:58.140 --> 01:35:02.340
not wrestle against flesh and blood, but with powers and
1448
01:35:02.380 --> 01:35:05.260
principalities and heavenly places, that person is not your enemy.
1449
01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:10.189
That person is your brother or your sister. So that
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01:35:10.210 --> 01:35:15.609
person might need help. And you may be the one
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01:35:15.649 --> 01:35:19.369
to help them. Especially if you can discern what they're
1452
01:35:19.390 --> 01:35:23.069
going through, right? If you can discern what they're going
1453
01:35:23.090 --> 01:35:26.750
through and discern the spirits that are on them, you've
1454
01:35:26.810 --> 01:35:28.590
learned how to do it. You have an eye for that,
1455
01:35:28.930 --> 01:35:34.579
an ear for that. Then what? Backbite, gossip, slander, kick
1456
01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:40.579
them out. You've discerned it. You've done well. You've done well.
1457
01:35:41.060 --> 01:35:44.239
But then what? Is greater is he that is in
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01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:46.020
me or is greater is he that is in them?
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01:35:50.050 --> 01:35:54.329
Greater is he that is in them. No, greater is
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01:35:54.609 --> 01:35:56.050
he that is in me than he that is in
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01:35:56.090 --> 01:35:58.770
the world. This is not a battle of flesh and blood.
1462
01:35:58.829 --> 01:36:03.329
It's a spiritual battle. Powers and principalities, thought forms, ideas.
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01:36:03.390 --> 01:36:06.369
People have people have researched stuff that you wouldn't even
1464
01:36:06.430 --> 01:36:09.960
begin to fathom. They've opened up doors and portals to
1465
01:36:10.060 --> 01:36:13.659
other realms that they cannot close and they need help.
1466
01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:17.840
They need help. Who's going to help them?
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01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:19.520
Me?
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01:36:19.619 --> 01:36:22.420
I can't help everybody. Your pastor? No, he ain't finna help.
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01:36:22.539 --> 01:36:29.699
He done showed you that. We are people, man. Chris Garner, tribe. Yeah,
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01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:33.529
that's the eclectic, man. We are peculiar people, the Bible says.
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01:36:35.170 --> 01:36:39.649
Differences of opinion, differences of beliefs. I mean, every one
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01:36:39.689 --> 01:36:42.670
of us is different, but we're beautiful, man. And what
1473
01:36:42.689 --> 01:36:46.399
we bring to the table. And You have to train
1474
01:36:46.420 --> 01:36:49.739
yourself to honor that. It's like default to find out
1475
01:36:49.779 --> 01:36:54.380
what makes us different. To honor what makes us different, man.
1476
01:36:54.939 --> 01:37:01.010
I'm just intrigued with their process. What did they learn?
1477
01:37:01.789 --> 01:37:04.149
Why do you feel this way? What did they say
1478
01:37:04.210 --> 01:37:06.909
to you? What did they do to you? Why do
1479
01:37:06.949 --> 01:37:15.020
you feel this way? About what? Everything. About religion? Definitely.
1480
01:37:16.300 --> 01:37:18.590
Why do you think it's okay to have 17 wives?
1481
01:37:18.659 --> 01:37:22.189
Let's get to the bottom of that. That's interesting.
1482
01:37:22.489 --> 01:37:22.850
Okay.
1483
01:37:26.710 --> 01:37:29.689
People believe crazy stuff, man. Why do you believe in aliens,
1484
01:37:29.729 --> 01:37:31.489
True Seeker? Let me tell you. Let me tell you.
1485
01:37:32.609 --> 01:37:36.350
Listen to a couple podcasts. Get past the intro. Stay
1486
01:37:36.390 --> 01:37:40.760
a little bit longer. Let us reason. Right? One of
1487
01:37:40.779 --> 01:37:43.199
the fruits of the spirits is long suffering. Being able
1488
01:37:43.220 --> 01:37:47.119
to suffer long ways with someone. Regardless of what they believe.
1489
01:37:48.060 --> 01:37:52.819
Regardless of how offended you are. It's walking in your power.
1490
01:37:53.500 --> 01:37:59.199
Knowing who you are. And not being a chameleon. Not
1491
01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:02.449
being one who is easily pushed around by every wind
1492
01:38:02.489 --> 01:38:06.050
of doctrine. Some of you guys are like that. I've
1493
01:38:06.090 --> 01:38:10.409
been there. You got to know who you are. Or
1494
01:38:10.449 --> 01:38:12.390
you allow these other people to tell you who you are.
1495
01:38:18.729 --> 01:38:21.420
You're just a chameleon. You just blend in with the environment.
1496
01:38:23.380 --> 01:38:28.310
You're loved, man. I woke up with this word on
1497
01:38:28.350 --> 01:38:33.220
my heart this morning. Really strong. for my life and
1498
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:41.970
for you too. But seek godly counsel. Seek godly counsel.
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01:38:44.369 --> 01:38:50.119
There is wisdom in a multitude of counsels. Seek godly counsel.
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01:38:50.180 --> 01:38:56.789
Get direction. Quit trying to be a lone horse, be
1501
01:38:56.829 --> 01:39:03.510
a rebel, lone ranger. There's power in numbers. Where two
1502
01:39:03.569 --> 01:39:08.529
or three come together and agree, touching on anything, there
1503
01:39:08.609 --> 01:39:10.750
I am in the midst of them. Where two or
1504
01:39:10.770 --> 01:39:13.689
three are gathered in my name, there I am in
1505
01:39:13.710 --> 01:39:16.250
the midst. If one can set a thousand aflight, two
1506
01:39:16.289 --> 01:39:18.680
can set ten thousand aflight. How many if we got
1507
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:21.229
six or seven? How many if we got eight or nine?
1508
01:39:21.529 --> 01:39:26.609
Look what Jesus did with 12. 12 people. Each one
1509
01:39:26.670 --> 01:39:29.529
reached one. Each one of those people went off and
1510
01:39:30.449 --> 01:39:36.800
got 12 under them. Trained them up in righteousness. They
1511
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:38.920
trained 12 up. They went out and changed the world.
1512
01:39:38.939 --> 01:39:44.260
We're having this conversation now. 12 people. Power in numbers.
1513
01:39:44.380 --> 01:39:52.149
Power in unity. long suffering spirit seek godly counsel man
1514
01:39:54.470 --> 01:39:59.069
I mean what's the opposite of that it's seeking ungodly
1515
01:39:59.109 --> 01:40:04.090
counsel going to the counsel of the wicked what is
1516
01:40:04.130 --> 01:40:09.989
that it's the media turn on your television scroll through
1517
01:40:10.010 --> 01:40:20.430
your Facebook you'll see you'll see There's power in numbers, man.
1518
01:40:20.449 --> 01:40:23.390
There's a unity in the spirit of the brethren that
1519
01:40:25.189 --> 01:40:31.609
nothing and no one can take away from you. Spirit
1520
01:40:31.630 --> 01:40:38.279
of Christ. It's all about love, man, at the end
1521
01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:42.100
of the day. That was on my heart. I sent
1522
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:49.520
out some messages this morning and took sought Godly counsel.
1523
01:40:49.699 --> 01:40:53.529
Hit up some godly people that I believe in. You
1524
01:40:53.550 --> 01:40:59.130
do the same. Find people. Surround yourself with people of vision.
1525
01:41:00.109 --> 01:41:03.310
People of valor. People who are not easily swayed. People
1526
01:41:03.350 --> 01:41:10.579
who walk in love. A supernatural love. A love for
1527
01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:17.619
the broken. A love for the fallen. A love regardless
1528
01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:23.510
of beliefs. Look for those people. Those are the others.
1529
01:41:23.630 --> 01:41:25.430
Those are the ones. Those are the people you need.
1530
01:41:26.630 --> 01:41:29.729
Whoever they may be. And you're going to go through
1531
01:41:29.770 --> 01:41:33.180
your own challenges. You got to prove what you believe.
1532
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:40.020
Make sure you believe it. You've been talking a good game.
1533
01:41:40.500 --> 01:41:46.899
Now it's testing. Do you really believe it? Do you
1534
01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:50.739
really love people? What about this person? Who brings out
1535
01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:51.539
the worst in you?
1536
01:41:53.739 --> 01:41:54.520
They exist.
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01:41:54.979 --> 01:41:55.220
Me.
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01:41:55.420 --> 01:41:57.699
I'm telling you, it's still me. I get it, man.
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01:41:58.939 --> 01:42:05.369
I get it. I choose love. I choose peace. The
1540
01:42:05.409 --> 01:42:09.850
Bible says that if it's possible to live peaceably with
1541
01:42:09.930 --> 01:42:13.710
all men, if it's possible, speak evil of no man.
1542
01:42:13.729 --> 01:42:21.529
I'm trying. I'm trying. We're all tempted. We're all tried.
1543
01:42:22.130 --> 01:42:24.750
We all have to prove what we really believe. Those
1544
01:42:24.810 --> 01:42:28.350
names come up. Those people come up. People want to
1545
01:42:28.710 --> 01:42:32.470
reach out and touch somebody. They bring out the worst
1546
01:42:32.550 --> 01:42:40.350
in you. You've been hurt, wounded, made fun of, laughed at, ridiculed, forgotten,
1547
01:42:40.689 --> 01:42:47.340
picked over. No. Bless them. Actively bless them. Call their name.
1548
01:42:48.750 --> 01:42:51.569
Bring their name before the throne of the Father. You
1549
01:42:51.630 --> 01:42:53.649
have an eye for a reason. I'm telling you, this
1550
01:42:53.710 --> 01:42:56.270
is why we got to talk about this stuff. We
1551
01:42:56.340 --> 01:42:59.420
move in the prophetic. We are a people of the Spirit.
1552
01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:01.659
Most people who are even listening this deep into this
1553
01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:06.140
conversation are people who have had spiritual encounters. It's birthed
1554
01:43:06.380 --> 01:43:09.399
something within them. They're more sensitive to the spirit realm.
1555
01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:14.340
They're empathic. They know what people are thinking. With that
1556
01:43:14.420 --> 01:43:20.500
comes great responsibility. You'll go mad Yeah, I just had
1557
01:43:20.539 --> 01:43:22.840
a guest on the other day talk about a Kundalini awakening.
1558
01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:26.859
It will kill you. It will drive you insane. And
1559
01:43:26.939 --> 01:43:32.479
guess what? Some people don't make it. Some people don't
1560
01:43:32.550 --> 01:43:38.609
make it. It's true. Those even now people who you're
1561
01:43:38.689 --> 01:43:43.109
best friends. That never turn on you. You never know.
1562
01:43:43.149 --> 01:43:46.850
There's always a line that people are not willing to
1563
01:43:46.899 --> 01:43:53.109
go past. Look at Jesus. He's speaking to 5,000 people,
1564
01:43:53.989 --> 01:43:59.890
blowing their minds, sharing wisdom, sharing knowledge, the Beatitudes. He's
1565
01:43:59.909 --> 01:44:03.869
just telling them about love, man, blowing their minds. And
1566
01:44:03.909 --> 01:44:08.060
then he hits them with something deep. And they said, man,
1567
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:09.979
what the hell is he talking about? And they left.
1568
01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:15.640
They said, man, this dude is crazy. They found that line.
1569
01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.350
They couldn't follow him any further. Like a multitude of
1570
01:44:19.369 --> 01:44:21.170
people is only just a few people left with them
1571
01:44:21.229 --> 01:44:24.979
after that. Because they understood what he was talking about.
1572
01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:32.779
They understood what he was talking about. Being able to
1573
01:44:32.819 --> 01:44:39.060
long suffer. People are going to walk with you, man.
1574
01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:40.819
You're going to offend people. You're going to get offended.
1575
01:44:41.979 --> 01:44:47.100
Don't let that take root. Bitterness and offense will kill you.
1576
01:44:47.779 --> 01:44:56.189
Choke you out. You'll take her to the grave with you. Bitter, mad. Triggered, even,
1577
01:44:56.810 --> 01:45:00.810
at a people group. You're mad at a people group.
1578
01:45:01.850 --> 01:45:05.430
I got friends who don't like black people. They were
1579
01:45:05.470 --> 01:45:08.909
beat up by a black person. They're robbed by black people.
1580
01:45:08.930 --> 01:45:11.350
Now they don't like any black people. They think all
1581
01:45:11.390 --> 01:45:16.229
black people are, you know, they're triggered. I got friends
1582
01:45:16.250 --> 01:45:20.890
who don't like cops. Cops kill black people. Cops are this.
1583
01:45:21.260 --> 01:45:25.579
Cops do that. Never call the cops. Never snitch. None
1584
01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:29.579
of that. They have these weird preconceived notions and they
1585
01:45:29.619 --> 01:45:31.699
judge all people just like we were talking about earlier.
1586
01:45:32.659 --> 01:45:37.600
Just judging all aliens or demons. All aliens are this.
1587
01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:42.170
All black people are this. All Mexicans are that. No.
1588
01:45:43.430 --> 01:45:47.270
Come on, man. If you have any of those stigmas...
1589
01:45:47.539 --> 01:45:50.170
Any of those triggers, you got to move past it.
1590
01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:54.020
They exist for a reason. I've been talking about this
1591
01:45:54.060 --> 01:45:59.270
a lot. The triggers exist for a reason. Your heart
1592
01:45:59.369 --> 01:46:02.909
races for a reason. Why does your heart race? Because
1593
01:46:02.930 --> 01:46:06.970
you have an open wound. And what if somebody's about
1594
01:46:06.989 --> 01:46:09.029
to touch that open wound? You know it. It's going
1595
01:46:09.050 --> 01:46:11.159
to hurt. It's going to hurt. Don't touch it. So
1596
01:46:11.180 --> 01:46:14.220
you're protective of it. It's not healed. It's not even
1597
01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:18.560
scar tissue. It's still open. And someone touches that wound,
1598
01:46:18.939 --> 01:46:21.199
you get triggered and you jump and you get defensive
1599
01:46:21.260 --> 01:46:24.979
and you protect it. And that's how we are with
1600
01:46:25.020 --> 01:46:28.800
our belief systems, with our fears, with our faith, with
1601
01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:32.300
our folly, with all of it. We're protective of it.
1602
01:46:32.319 --> 01:46:34.279
But it's a good thing because to know why my
1603
01:46:34.319 --> 01:46:36.739
heart's racing, to know why I don't want to have
1604
01:46:36.779 --> 01:46:40.779
this conversation. Let me address that. We're talking about ascension.
1605
01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:44.359
We're talking about enlightenment. We're talking about healing. You have
1606
01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:46.909
to go to the places that hurt. You have to
1607
01:46:46.970 --> 01:46:49.630
deal with the brokenness no matter where it is at
1608
01:46:49.789 --> 01:46:52.029
any level of your life. All of us are at
1609
01:46:52.090 --> 01:46:55.989
different places and the deeper you go, the more of
1610
01:46:56.029 --> 01:46:58.920
that alchemical healing process you're going to have to deal with.
1611
01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:05.119
Because it gets deep. The word of God is sharper
1612
01:47:05.140 --> 01:47:10.960
than any two-edged sword. It's able to decipher between the
1613
01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:14.239
flesh and between the spirit. the word of God is
1614
01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:17.079
like gazing into a Bible. You start reading about yourself,
1615
01:47:17.619 --> 01:47:21.359
these different layers of yourself, the egoic mind, how selfish
1616
01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:25.489
you are, throwing all that stuff off. And then eventually
1617
01:47:25.529 --> 01:47:29.770
when you get the healing, when you get the healing,
1618
01:47:31.909 --> 01:47:39.010
you want others to be healed as well. You want
1619
01:47:39.050 --> 01:47:41.510
others to be healed as well. And you want to
1620
01:47:41.529 --> 01:47:45.819
tell people, Because you found the light. I got friends
1621
01:47:45.859 --> 01:47:52.039
who preach on street corners. They found the light. At
1622
01:47:52.079 --> 01:47:54.649
least their light. And they want to tell people. I
1623
01:47:54.689 --> 01:47:57.630
got friends who become vegans. They want to tell people.
1624
01:47:59.630 --> 01:48:04.050
You know, I have friends who've had UFO encounters. They
1625
01:48:04.090 --> 01:48:07.380
want to tell people. I have friends who have ayahuasca,
1626
01:48:07.399 --> 01:48:11.460
psilocybin mushroom encounters. Guess what? They want to tell people.
1627
01:48:12.489 --> 01:48:16.979
It's helped them. You have what everyone is looking for.
1628
01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:19.590
You've experienced it. You've encountered it. You want to share it.
1629
01:48:19.789 --> 01:48:19.970
Good.
1630
01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:23.720
You'd be selfish to keep it in. You'd be selfish
1631
01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:29.479
not to tell anyone. It's good. But most of us
1632
01:48:29.539 --> 01:48:35.689
out here have a zeal without knowledge. You have the zeal,
1633
01:48:35.729 --> 01:48:37.750
which is beautiful, but you have to do the knowledge.
1634
01:48:38.430 --> 01:48:44.649
You have to show grace. You Long-suffering. Let your actions,
1635
01:48:47.189 --> 01:48:52.449
let your words be seasoned with salt. It preserves it.
1636
01:48:52.579 --> 01:48:57.220
Salt heals it. People are hurting, man. People are dying.
1637
01:48:57.239 --> 01:49:01.600
They have open wounds. And our words are salt. And
1638
01:49:01.619 --> 01:49:07.220
we can even heal with our words. Season every conversation
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seasoned with salt. You guys know we've been talking about
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casting out demons just through conversation. Hey, I'm just talking.
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But I'm mission minded. I'm intentional. Every conversation. Season with salt.
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Preservers of the earth. The manifestations of the sons and
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daughters of God that the whole and the entire creation
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01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:37.090
is waiting on you to stop playing games and get
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01:49:37.229 --> 01:49:50.149
your act together. The whole, all of creation. Truth anyhow. Hey, man,
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I really love you guys and enjoy these conversations. My
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guest was an awesome, awesome guest, Dr. Irina Scott. She's
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01:50:01.289 --> 01:50:05.880
got some really cool books. Ufology is very near and
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01:50:05.899 --> 01:50:08.729
dear to my heart. The Angelic. The demonic even is
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01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:10.180
very near and dear to my heart. I want to
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know how it operates. I want to know how not
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to get possessed. You know what I'm saying? So I
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study this stuff and I know a lot of you
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guys do too. And having these conversations opens up because
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01:50:22.539 --> 01:50:25.479
we've been places that other people don't have to go.
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And you don't have to get possessed. I was already there.
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Let me tell you what it looks like. Right? There
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is a warning. But there's also a call to come.
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Exploration beyond your wildest dreams. That comes through a relationship
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01:50:44.770 --> 01:50:51.010
and an encounter with the father of lights. With the being,
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the essence that created all of this. Each one of us.
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To beckon, to come and die. Come and deny yourself.
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Take up your cross and follow me, he said. But
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in doing that, you find out that you will truly live.
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In order to receive your life, you must lose it.
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But he who loses his life will find it. You
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have to be born again, man. I'm hearing all these
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beautiful stories. The Kundalini Awakening with my friend Lola Scarborough
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01:51:28.710 --> 01:51:30.989
the other day. She said, I felt like I was
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just born again. Born a second time.
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Renewed.
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The fire.
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The cleanses. Cleansing fire. We all need that daily, man.
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Stir it up. Beyond your wildest dreams. It's real. Read
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in the comments. Everybody had beautiful encounters. Shout out to
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everybody in the chat. Karen on Facebook. The Facebook streaming
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video here, comments quit working. Here's this weird person, LB.
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He just keeps commenting all over my stuff. There's some
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weird promo. That's kind of weird. That's done away with
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promoting your stuff on other people's videos. That's what we
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01:52:34.340 --> 01:52:36.739
used to do back in the day. That's why MySpace
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01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:41.850
fell apart. Because all you got was spam from rappers
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and artists trying to promote their mixtapes. And they would
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just flood your inbox and flood your comments. And people
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still do that. They think that that works. Don't do that, LB.
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Get you some research, SEO and research ads, how to
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do ads, targeted ads to people who are into what
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you have to offer. For real. Do it. You don't
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01:53:13.359 --> 01:53:22.260
have to spam people's stuff. It happens. So, yeah. Let's see.
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I'm going to read the comment section. Ren says, love you.
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01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:27.670
Thanks for your boldness and declaring God's heart. We need
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01:53:27.689 --> 01:53:29.869
more of that and will call us to mature and
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grow in love. For sure, man. For sure. Christian says
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he loves the t-shirt. Made his day. True Secret's face
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01:53:36.850 --> 01:53:39.069
was so funny. Yeah. I'm gonna, let me see if
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I can, I don't know if I can have it
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here again. Let's see. Uh, I think it's, I don't know.
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I think it's here. Let's see. Bing right there. So
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there's the t-shirt for all of you guys watching. I've
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got a bunch of shirts, man. We have these, uh, t-shirts.
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01:53:55.100 --> 01:54:00.289
We have beautiful true secret coffee mugs. Just trying to
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01:54:00.449 --> 01:54:03.670
be creative, man, with different ways to, to support the podcast.
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01:54:03.689 --> 01:54:06.949
You know, um, we have, you know, the, the music's there. Um,
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01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:11.739
It only brings in so much money, not a lot,
1705
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:15.430
because people just download stuff for free or listen to
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01:54:15.470 --> 01:54:19.350
it on YouTube. Trying to find creative ways to promote,
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01:54:20.569 --> 01:54:25.909
to get the podcast out there. But then again, we
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01:54:25.949 --> 01:54:29.649
got some cool t-shirts, so you can support the show
1709
01:54:29.670 --> 01:54:32.590
and look good at the same time. You can look
1710
01:54:32.609 --> 01:54:37.550
good doing it. Just go to truesticker.com. There's a link there.
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01:54:37.609 --> 01:54:40.260
Click on shop. All of those shops are different though.
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01:54:40.579 --> 01:54:42.539
So the t-shirts is one link and then there's a
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01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:45.140
link for music and then a link for digital music
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01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:47.359
and all that stuff. The best way to support is
1715
01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:51.539
via Patreon, man. It really helps us fund what we're
1716
01:54:51.579 --> 01:54:53.319
trying to do. And I know people are going through
1717
01:54:53.340 --> 01:54:56.520
a hard time right now financially. Not a lot of
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01:54:56.539 --> 01:54:59.739
people are able to help, but a little bit goes
1719
01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:04.619
a long way. So just a little bit, if it's $ 5, $ 10,
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01:55:04.359 --> 01:55:08.819
a dollar, like a little as much when God's in it, right?
1721
01:55:09.579 --> 01:55:11.420
A little bit goes a long way. So if you're
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01:55:11.460 --> 01:55:15.670
able to support, if you believe in the work, I'm
1723
01:55:15.710 --> 01:55:18.310
asking you to support. Just whatever you're able to do, man.
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01:55:18.329 --> 01:55:22.229
Just anything helps. So thank you guys who have been supporting.
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01:55:22.710 --> 01:55:24.869
Thank you guys who believe in my work. I really
1726
01:55:25.270 --> 01:55:28.619
could and I should just go through the comment section
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01:55:29.020 --> 01:55:31.680
and just go through my inbox and show you the
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01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:39.960
people whose lives are impacted by this. By this. Look,
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01:55:40.340 --> 01:55:43.460
God uses the foolish things of the world to confound
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01:55:43.479 --> 01:55:48.640
the wise. How can God use an interview about UFOs
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01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:53.939
and aliens to spark a light and change someone's life?
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I remember I used to get a lot of comments
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01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:00.359
where people say, I listen to your podcast. I love
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01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:07.109
the conversation. But I watch for the post-podcast discussion. I
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01:56:07.130 --> 01:56:14.609
really watch to hear the post-podcast discussions. And that's the ministry.
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That's why we do it. To get you here. We
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01:56:19.770 --> 01:56:23.039
got some truth in it. I like UFOs. I like aliens.
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I'm intrigued by the conversation. I love it. I got
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01:56:25.340 --> 01:56:28.300
something to add. I've got encounters. We all do, right?
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01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:31.779
But it's something deeper, man. It's something spiritual that connects
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01:56:31.819 --> 01:56:35.770
us all. And I'm telling you, I... it's crazy. I
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01:56:35.810 --> 01:56:39.789
praise God, you know, so financially it's, uh, you know,
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01:56:39.850 --> 01:56:41.329
I don't make a lot of money doing this and
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01:56:41.350 --> 01:56:43.770
this is a listener supportive thing that I've taken on.
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01:56:43.810 --> 01:56:46.310
I do, uh, trust God that he has called me
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01:56:46.350 --> 01:56:49.529
to this and, uh, you know, he'll, if he gives
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01:56:49.569 --> 01:56:52.060
me the vision, he'll also give me the provision to
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01:56:52.100 --> 01:56:56.380
make it happen. Um, but again, if you're able to give,
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01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:59.720
if you believe in the work, um, sign up for
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01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:03.779
my Patreon, any level of giving really helps. Um, we
1751
01:57:03.819 --> 01:57:07.899
were trying to do an event. I've been promoting it
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01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:09.739
and I had to kind of quit promoting it because
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we had to cancel it. So we had an event scheduled.
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01:57:12.689 --> 01:57:14.470
It was going to be Encounter Memphis. We were going
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01:57:14.489 --> 01:57:18.569
to be in Memphis next week and doing a workshop,
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doing a concert, a healing retreat, seminar, whatever. It was
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01:57:24.939 --> 01:57:29.090
going to be good. We was all looking forward to it,
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01:57:29.180 --> 01:57:32.239
but We weren't able to sell enough tickets and we
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01:57:32.279 --> 01:57:35.359
weren't even able to pay for the building. So we
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01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:37.890
had to cancel the event. So, you know, it is
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01:57:38.310 --> 01:57:41.189
my vision to do more things like that and to
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01:57:41.229 --> 01:57:45.909
really step out. And so, you know, supporting my work
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01:57:46.010 --> 01:57:48.170
was going to open up doors so that we can
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do that. So we want to travel, get out there.
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01:57:51.899 --> 01:57:53.579
We have a tribe. It's not just me. There's a
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01:57:53.619 --> 01:57:56.720
bunch of people. We've interviewed a bunch of them and
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we're going to interview more. Shout out to Chris Garner.
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He's going to be on here in a couple weeks.
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Good friend of mine. It's going to be good. But yeah,
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there's a lot of people and we want to get
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01:58:06.270 --> 01:58:09.949
out there. We want to travel and do some engagements.
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01:58:10.060 --> 01:58:12.319
and some weekends and some activations there's a lot we
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01:58:12.340 --> 01:58:14.800
can do from the computer and we're going to do
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01:58:14.859 --> 01:58:18.220
it I'm going to do it but there's something different
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01:58:18.260 --> 01:58:20.930
about being able to be there together as a family
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01:58:21.020 --> 01:58:24.289
and to press in together you know what I'm saying
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01:58:24.329 --> 01:58:28.449
to engage heaven together to pray together to eat together
1778
01:58:28.470 --> 01:58:33.590
to fellowship together heck, to do karaoke together, right? Let's
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01:58:33.609 --> 01:58:37.920
just hang out, man. We're a family. And again, patreon.com
1780
01:58:37.939 --> 01:58:41.500
backslash True Seeker. I know people fall upon hard times
1781
01:58:41.539 --> 01:58:44.279
and not everyone's able to give, but a little goes
1782
01:58:44.340 --> 01:58:47.039
a long way. So thank you guys who've been faithful
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01:58:47.159 --> 01:58:49.760
and supporting and you just, you know what I'm saying,
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01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:52.039
believe in what I'm doing. And I thank you and
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01:58:52.439 --> 01:58:54.960
my family thanks you. So with that, I'm going to
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say peace and shalom. Really enjoyed this conversation. Loved hanging
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01:58:58.739 --> 01:59:03.399
out with everyone in the Live stream in the chat
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01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:06.689
makes it beautiful. Ali says, do a show of answered
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01:59:06.739 --> 01:59:09.970
prayers through this podcast. It's not a boastful or prideful.
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It's helping and it's miraculous. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's so
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many people who have just been touched by it. And
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it still blows my mind. You know, it really does. Because,
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you know, but it's intentional. We are mission minded. Even
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though it just seems like we're talking about aliens. Something deeper.
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I'm talking about the one who created the aliens. I
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love y'all, man. Peace and shalom. I'm going to get
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off of here. If you're not a member of our Discord,
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the link is in the description. Hang out with us.
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We hang out there. You could talk on your cell phone,
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on your computer, wherever it is. Hang out with us
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01:59:53.890 --> 01:59:56.340
on Discord. We'd love to have you there. And if
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01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:57.939
you'd like to talk to me, I'm available there. A
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01:59:58.159 --> 01:59:59.920
lot of people want to text me and message me
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01:59:59.939 --> 02:00:02.020
and send me all these messages. I'd rather just jump
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02:00:02.039 --> 02:00:04.699
in Discord and give you a few minutes and just
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02:00:04.739 --> 02:00:09.229
talk to you. Right? I'm better at that than will you.
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You know what I'm saying? I just, it's not as
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02:00:13.750 --> 02:00:17.489
personal for me. Discord is awesome. Taking advantage of it.
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Holler at you. Love y'all. Peace and shalom. Go buy
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02:00:23.220 --> 02:00:28.689
my t-shirt. Exit to the gift shop. Buy the t-shirt. Peace.
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Well, that does it for this episode, folks. To hear
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more episodes of the Truth Seeker podcast, head over to TruthSeeker.com.
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02:00:48.319 --> 02:00:50.859
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