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What's up everyone, Welcome to Level seven. It is time
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for another episode of the Agents of Fandom podcast. I'm
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your host, Tj'swortch, and we got a very exciting show
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ahead of us today because we got a brand new
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Sunday night HBO show, House of the Dragon is done
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and now we're ready to dive into something else. And
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we also got the first live action show in the DCU.
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Creature Commandos was pretty cool, but this is kind of
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like on another level of excitement with finally getting to
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introduce some brand new, big characters in the DC universe.
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We are of course talking about lanterns and join me
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today and throughout the eason to break it down. I
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got my guy Af Parker, Af, how you doing.
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I'm doing pretty good, man. Hi Off that first episode,
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I enjoyed the hell out of it, so on wait
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to go a bit deeper into what everybody thinks about it.
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And joining us today as well. I thought it was
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just going to be like, hey, because we're watching some Thrones,
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some dragons, we got to bring our guy Mark in,
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but we got to keep them in for our Sunday
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night shows in general, and so we're bringing them back.
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Mark Vasalia. A.
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You doing, Mark, I'm awesome. I love that we continue.
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We just roll right from House to Dragon into Lanterns
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with no break whatsoever. That's the perfect transition. We I've
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said it before, we have to have a great Sunday
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night HBO show in our lives. There's been too much
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with a gap lately. So I'm excited about about Lanterns
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and want to get into it.
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Before we get into it, I do want to ask
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both of you which you've been watching af We haven't
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chatted in a while, so I want to know what
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you've been reading too, in terms of some comic books,
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I will throw it to you first, what you've been watching.
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Yeah, so, like everybody else X Men and ninety seven,
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I was watching The House of the Dragon as well.
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That's done. I started off with Widows Bay some about
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three episodes in on that one. Absolutely loved that show.
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I can't believe I was so late to the party,
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but I'm I'm loving every second of that one. And
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then I'm about halfway through my new go Rewatch, so
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I'm enjoying that because all of these roomors about the reunion. Dude,
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I'm making sure that I'm ready when that comes out,
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I will be ready.
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I it's my favorite sitcom of all time. I'm with you.
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I love New Girls so so much. I am really
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enjoy I really enjoyed the first season of Adults FX's
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TV show, because that is like the first show that
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kind of gave me the New Girl vibe of like, Hey,
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a bunch of thirty year olds living in the house together.
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Sometimes life's good, sometimes life's bad, but we're together and
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the banter is good like it. I really really like
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how that show reminds me of it. And I really
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want to tune into Furious on another apect show it's
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on Hulu, because that's a totally different vibe. It's not
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a comedy, but it's the same creator, it's the same creator,
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and so I want to check out Furious because that's
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one that I've heard is really good and it's the
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same creator as New Girl. So I'm like, I'm probably
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gonna like it, but I haven't got a chance to
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check it out yet.
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Yeah, for sure, Like that's that's on my bucket list,
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on my watch list at the moment. I just need
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to find the time to get to all of these shows, yeah,
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because they are shows that are priority, and I have
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to read some books as well. And you ask me
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each books i'm reading, I'm I'm probably reading every single
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absolute book on the DC on the DC shelf, So
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that's keeping me super busy.
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Heck yeah, love to hear it.
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Mark.
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How about you what you've been watching?
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So I just wrapped up the I think the season
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finale of My Adventures with Superman. I think that was
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the last episode. I'm pretty sure. And yeah, just I
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I feel like this season it was a little weird,
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like I think they tried some some different stuff, a
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lot of that, a lot of time travel stuff. But
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overall I enjoyed it, not as much as the first
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two seasons, but still looking forward to seeing how they
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you know, how they wrap things up. I think they're
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having at least one more season of it, so I
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am looking forward to when that returns. But all my
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free time one September is going to be devoted to
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I'm gonna be at the hockey rink most times, so
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I won't be able to be watching too much. I
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have to make appointments for when I can actually squeeze
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in some shows, so I'll take advantage of these next
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couple of weeks to maybe do some rewatches.
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I of course you have been keeping up with House
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the Dragon, X Men ninety seve. We broke down the
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finales for those shows here on the Agency found in podcasts.
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You can find that up on YouTube and wherever you
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get your pods, So make sure you subscribe, hit that
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us build it up. And I'm excited to dive into
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this one. I was trying to think, have I been
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watching anything else recently? I'm almost I have one episode
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left of Batman Keep Crusader, I have one episode left
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of My Adventures with Superman. I still do think I
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want to do like after I finish those, maybe like
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a podcast covering both of those at the same time.
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And we are later this week as well, on Tuesday,
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gonna be breaking down D twenty three, the X Men
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cast and everything that came from that, So stay tuned
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for that as well. That is coming later this week.
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Shall we talk some lanterns? I can't think else that
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I would really want to dive into beforehand. We'll save
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the X Men cast talk for tomorrow, and so I
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think we can just go right into lantern time. Shout ouh,
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my god, jam and Chat does. Unfortunately, DJ doesn't love
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me enough to bring me on for my favorite superhero.
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We'll try and make it work at some point, but
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the problem is you get off work in the middle
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of the night for AF and So's.
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I don't know how.
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Those schedules are gonna line up super well, but we'll
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find a way at least once this season. Mark, I
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will throw it to you first. What did you think
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of the spoiler free still? What do you think of
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the first episode of this series?
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Yeah, I had very high expectations going in. Then a
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few days beforehand we got the you know, the embargo lifted,
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We got to see reviews, and the reviews were incredible,
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so that only increased my expectations. In this first episode
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they were met. I really I enjoy again this true
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to detective vibe, training day vibe that the show brings.
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It was a lot of just talking, not a ton
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of action, which I actually liked, just kind of a
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lot of discourse and kind of setting up the dynamic
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between Hal and John Stewart. You know, it's a very
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uneasy partnership, and of course we know why no one's
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ever comfortable training their replacement, but it's it's a very
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awkward dynamic and there's a lot of sketchy characters that
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I look forward to discussing with you guys. I have
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my you know, my eyebrows raised with a few of
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these characters that were introduced to us.
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I wrote it in my review as the first four
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episodes go, there's a couple things that like hold this
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show back from being like truly truly great for me,
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at least in the first four episodes. But I thought
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the first episode was incredible, Like I thought that the
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way this series opened, I was, I'm so bought in
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for what's gonna come. And this show has such a
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high floor because of how great Kyle Chandler and Aaron
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Perr are together. Like you said, Mark, it's an uneasy partnership.
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I think I was. One of the captions in my
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article was like, can you call it a buddy cop
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if they absolutely hate each other? And it's like it
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does have that dynamic though, and it's just like it's
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so so the chemistry is so palpable between the two
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of them, and so we got an exciting mystery and
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we got great chemistry between the leads. It's gonna be
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hard for this show to just be bad, you know
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what I mean. Like, there's a couple of things that
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stopped it from being truly great for me, mainly I
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just want a little more lanterning, but in general, just like,
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it's tough to screw it up when you got the
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pieces here that are so great, plus one of the
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greatest TV creative teams of all time as well. Af
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What were your thoughts on the first.
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I, like Mark said, all the reviews that came out
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got me super excited for it because I really didn't
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know what to think about how they're going to tackle
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the grounded version of this thing that Green Lanton is
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a space cup. Essentially, all of his stories in the
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comic is mostly just in space on our different planets.
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So the fact that it was set on Earth, I
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was trying to think how they're going to do that,
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And after watching that first episode, they did a phenomenal job.
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I saw a comment in the chat saying there was
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a lot of dialogue we wanted more action, and I
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think that the dialogue was necessary to sort of set
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a baseline for what's going to happen further on in
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the season, and I think the action is still going
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to come, So I think all of my expectations were
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made in terms of story tiling, and we can see
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there's a clear direction for where this entire plot is
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going to go.
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Let's start diving into full spoilers. If you have not
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seen the episode yet, hit pause on us, go watch
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the episode, tell two or three friends about the show,
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get them to subscribe wherever you get your pods, and
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then come back on and join us. I think I
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forgot to mention you can also find us on socials,
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at Agent's Fandom, on TikTok and Twitter, Agents of Fandom
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everywhere else. We open Lanterns with a flashback to John
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Stewart's youth, and there's so much to pick apart from
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just this sequence alone. From we have John and his
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two brothers watching Hal Jordan on the TV. Both of
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his brothers clearly terrified about his dad getting home, their
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dad's getting home. John not so scared. He wants to
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watch this program. He's gonna watch it until the last
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possible minute. We already see him from the opening scene,
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just like handling fear a bit differently than his brothers do.
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And then he's watching how Jordan his dad gets home.
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He asks about it, he knows he's been watching the
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Green Lantern, takes him outside. I was terrified of what's
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gonna happen when he's taking him outside. This is not
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what I expected. This is both so much scarier and
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also like the Teens, tiniest bit wholesome the way it
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went down afterwards, but like ninety nine point nine percent scary,
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zero point zero one percent tiny bit holdsome and he
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puts an apple on his head. He says, are you afraid?
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He says no, shoots it off his head, and then
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they have a little hug, takes them to get a burger.
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Af What were your thoughts on this opening scene, because
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clearly this is we see, this is a boy who
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is being trained for this role from the get go.
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Yeah, dude, that that was so crazy when I saw that,
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and I still remember I turned to my wife and
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I was like, what is he going to do? What
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is he going to do? And he did exactly what
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we thought he was going to do, and it was
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so so insane because immediately after that, he's just like, Okay,
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you want to go get a burger, Let's go get
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a burger, Like I just start an apple off the
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top of your head. So that was was crazy. But
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also the question that he asked him, are you afraid?
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That's normally the green lantern cause initiation question or in
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a green lantern, are you afraid? And I think like
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from that moment it was already basically destined for Transtut
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to become a green lantern. And then how Jordan late
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in that episode he echoed the same question again, are
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you afraid? And he's like, no, sir. So great foreshadowing there,
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like from nineteen ninety six all the way to twenty sixteen.
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Mark, what were your thoughts on this scene, where, like
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you said, we got him clearly being trained for this
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from birth. I also thought it was fascinating because his
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dad seemingly comes in like so what was his name?
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How something his dad doesn't know al Jordan, yet he's
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already being trained for this, Like what was your read
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on this situation?
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It was a very interesting scene because right away you
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get the vibes like okay, is this an abusive parent,
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like because the obviously the brothers are terrified. Clearly there's
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rules in their house that you can't have the TV
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on at a certain hour or something like that. So
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you know, is John Stewart a rebellious child You get
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the sense right away, not necessarily a rebellious child, but
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just someone who's not afraid of the consequences of their
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dads showing up and still having the TV on having
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broken that rule. So that was interesting. But in general, yeah,
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it just seems that whether it was specifically to become
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a green lantern or just in general, you know, John
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Stewart's dad is training him to to be disciplined, to
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not be afraid in case he wants to get into
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I mean, his father is clearly military, so whether he
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wants to get to the military or for for something else,
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it's just it lines up perfectly that, Okay, he's clearly
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on a trajectory to be a lantern because he's not afraid.
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You know, Like, whether his father knows it or not,
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he's training him for you know, for that that particular
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arc in his life, and then you do see some
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of the compassion afterwards. It's like, Okay, let's go get
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a burger, like, so, you know, it's there's a lot
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of fear based in that relationship with with his father,
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but but you saw that there's a little bit of
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warmth there too, so and clearly he's still in touch
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with his father as we see later in the episode.
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So you know, I think they probably have a pretty
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good dynamic despite us the fear based part of the relationship.
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It reminds me of a exaggerated, obviously like super version
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of hearing stories of like Tiger Woods and his dad,
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where he would just be so so so hard on
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him because you are trying to achieve greatness and so
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you look at it from like a parent and child perspective,
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there are a lot of things that you look at
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and go, oh, I don't like that, like that's not
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how you're supposed to treat kids. But at the same time, oh, well,
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that's the greatest person to do their craft in the
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history of that craft, and so it worked, and so
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like that, this feels like a very exaggerated version of
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that is like, definitely, don't be shooting at your children.
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That's a bad idea, never ever do that. But he
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wasn't afraid. He wasn't afraid. He doesn't seem afraid of
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his dad. He wasn't afraid of the gun. It's kind
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of like, a is that how you should parents a child?
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Know?
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Is that how you make a superhero? Maybe?
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What you like?
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A what do you think of this philosophy? And do
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you think we get more between young John and his
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dad in the future of this series or was this
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just like flashback to start things off and now we
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go from here, because we do see they still have
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a relationship in at least twenty sixteen when they're having
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their chat.
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I was just about to being that that out because
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in that film call that he makes to his dad
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in twenty sixteen, he's saying, like talking about what hell
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he's feeling, and he's followed basically tells him these different
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states of rules for green Lenten and you green Enton yecked.
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So, and I think different sets of rules for that's
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a white guy and you're not, and that as well. Yeah,
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they can go out and act like an asshole and
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people will be like, ah, look at that guy. That's
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not the case for for us.
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Yeah, one hundred percent.
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John and his dad are not as teacher. I think
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obviously as they come.
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I think that that's sort of hard eating. The relationship
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between the two of them is going going to continue.
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It does in the comics, U Jam said in the
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in the comments over there, John and his dad, they
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have a very complicated relationship in the comics. So I
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can see this going for the duration of the show,
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or as long as they keep on including his dad
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in the storylines. His dad's always going to want the
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want the best from him. He's always going to want
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him to try one hundred and fifty percent, where as
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all other fathers will be proud of their kids were
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just giving one hundred percent. So he's always going to
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be harder on John, and I think that that also
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so just sort of molds him into the type of
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person he eventually becomes.
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From one complicated relationship to the next. We see John
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as an adult Aaron Pierre looking all jacked as hell, boxing,
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and right off the hop we find out like just
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so much about Hal Jordan. He's late, he's hungover, and
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he's just poking the bear. He's just poking John with
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a stick. Oh you sure you're not mad at me?
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I would be mad at me. I was late. I'm hungover,
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like I would be pretty pissed off. AF What do
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you think of One Kyle Chandler's performance as how Jordan
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throughout this episode and two this intro meeting between the
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two of them with just like right off the bat,
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we can tell they hate each other, but still the
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chemistry is just so palpable.
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Dude. I was hoping that Kyle Chandler was going to
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be how Joined personified, and that's exactly what it was.
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He by his own rules. He doesn't care about anybody else,
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about what anybody else is doing, So if he's gonna
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come there hangover, he's going to do that. So I
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loved his entire performance in this episode. When he arrived late,
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he said that he was away for two weeks or
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he was late by two weeks, and he was on
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a planet called Feden four. If I'm not mistaken, there
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is no fed In four in DC comics, but they
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is a star Sapphire who is called de la Ferrin
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who was in love with the Green Lantern. So who
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little eastig over there he was.
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I love that I didn't clew up on that at all.
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He was not on a planet. He was doing somebody
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by that he was fu somebody with that.
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Man, that's hilarious, dude, I'm getting frisky.
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I love that. That is fantastic. J three and Chat.
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I want to shout out my guy J three, Maria
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don Yezi as well. They're typically joining me in the
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fantasy football and baseball streets, but they're coming to hang
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out with us for some lanterns. Can TJ briefly explain
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sector to eight one four to us? To us newbies? No,
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I can't, but af how big of a like, how
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many planets? How big of a portion of the galaxy?
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Is?
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How cover here? Because he kind of just explained it
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as like he's a beat cup and each beat cup
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gets a portion of the galaxy? What is his terrain?
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Who might he be interacting with?
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Dude? They are so this changes so often in the
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comic books. The the isn't a sick amount of planets
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in two eight one four. Excuse me, it's always that
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when when whenever they speak speak about that sector Earth
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is always the one that's going to be spot lit.
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They don't really go into these like five by the
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planets or nine other planets or ten other planets, and
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then there will be two other planets so I think
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it depends on Ivy writer and ivity creative who was
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writing green Entin about how many people or how many
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identities do they want to green Entons to be interacting
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with into eight twenty four. But for the most part,
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if they talking about to eight win four, it's going
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to be a cent regardless.
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Mark, I was not. I'm sorry, I was basically expecting
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at some point in this episode for how Jordan to
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say clear eyes, full hearts can't lose what he was
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given a lot of like what if Tammy Taylor left
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coach Taylor and then he got a green lantern ring.
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That's kind of what this personality reminds me of. Have
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you seen Friday Night Lights? And I just I you're
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a football guy.
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I kind of assume, Oh, of course I have seen
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Friday Night Lights. And I'm just a big fan of
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Kyle Chandler in general. And I think this was just
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such a grand slam of a casting. He does such
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a tremendous job playing this clearly run down version of
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Hal Jordan, and you get great context based off of
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the flashbacks, not only the flashback interview where he's still
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you know, a little kind of brash and arrogant, but
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you know, he seems like a good guy at heart.
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And then the consciousness message from ten years prior, where
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he's clearly a different person like that, like that is
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a different Hal Jordan than the one that is in
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front of us in twenty sixteen, and he basically, I
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mean he's playing different characters. Basically, that's how good of
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an actor Kyle Chandler is, Like he's playing different versions
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of that character so well, it's it's so cool to
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see him and Aaron Pierre just they they have their
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oozing chemistry, and I just I'm blown away that someone
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like Kyle Chandler would want to be in a you know,
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you never know which of these big name actors would
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want to be in a superhero property, and I didn't
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think Kyle Chandler would be someone who would do that.
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But it just goes to show when you just have
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people who are at the top of their craft, look
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what they can do when they're given a great script.
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On the note of you never know which of these
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people are gonna want to get into a superhero project,
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you just got me excited to ignite my conversation tomorrow
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of how Adam Driver playing mister Sinister is happening so
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that Disney will also make the Hunt for Ben Solo
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and we're getting him back as Ben Solo here in
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the future as well. And how they're gonna reformat episode
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ten to be the new Ray movie and the Hunt
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for Ben Solo. Well, we'll talk more about that tomorrow.
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Jam In Chat agrees with you, guys, Holy said, Kyle
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Chandler is one of the best superhero cast things ever. Mark,
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What do you think happened to him? Because in two thousand,
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he's hopeful he just gets the ring, he's wearing the suits.
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In twenty sixteen, he's still a good guy. He's backing
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his consciousness up into the ring like he's supposed to.
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He's a lot more polite talking to John. Twenty sixteen,
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we get this version of him where he just seems jaded.
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He's still cool, but he's jaded. What do you think's
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gone on in his twenty years of being a Lantern.
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I'm sure that part of it has to do with
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the wear and tear of being a you know, a
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superpowered individual or having a superpowered ring and you know,
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saving people. But I think that a lot of it
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probably just has to do with the fact that it's
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just natural human nature. Once there's a variable introduced, which is, hey,
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you're being replaced, Like he knows a trainee is not
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just to be like a psidechay, Like he knows that
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he's being replaced or the intention is to replace him,
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and human nature is going to make you jaded by that,
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and there could be some fear, you know, the you
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are you afraid? Maybe he's actually a little bit afraid
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for the first time, afraid that he's going to be
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replaced by a younger, very qualified trainee.
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If Johnson loved that conversation between John and the cop too,
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where she's like, he's not fearless, he's lonely, yeah, like
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he has no one. And I think that's like a
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very good read on the character that she laid out there.
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Absolutely, And that's the thing too. If John Stewart wasn't
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incredibly capable of being a lantern himself, if if hal
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Jordan didn't feel that this is a very qualified, worthy successor,
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he wouldn't feel this way. I feel like if there
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was no threat, he probably wouldn't feel this way. But
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he is threatened, and I think he is scared and
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that's clearly weighing on him, and maybe that manifest itself
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later in this series. I don't know, but I think
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there could be a little bit of fear involved.
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I think they like shout out to David lindelof Tom King,
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the whole team, Chris Munday, I believe is the third
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because they do do such a beautiful job of laying
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out narratively from a TV storytelling standpoint, here are the
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reasons why there could be friction in this relationship, just
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like Mark laid out a fear of being replaced, that
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kind of dynamic of how cling to well I was
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chosen because how kind of is the embodiment of yeah,
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he's got a lot of talent but privilege, whereas John
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is he had to work for every single thing he
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has ever gotten. He had to train his whole life
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to be at this point, whereas it was just given
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to how he was chosen. And at the same time,
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they can set up things from comic book standpoint where
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comic book fans are able to go as jams as
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in chat happened, That's what happened? Af Who is secenstro
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And do you think that is something that's going to
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come into play here.
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Oh for sure. Before I get into Sinista, I just
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want to mention something that you spoke about now with
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Tom King and Damon Lindeloff, And if anybody's read a
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Tom King comic book, you would find out that he,
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instead of going full fantasy on something, you will treat
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that with like some burden, and he'll put some burden
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on that character instead, so it won't really be a
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fantasy thing that you're reading. You are trying to decipher
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how much burden this character is actually carrying with him.
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And then on the other end you have Damon Lindeloff.
484
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If you watch Watchmen or you read the Watchmen comic books,
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you'd find that a lot of his sort of creative
486
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standpoints are generational trauma, and that we see with with
487
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:06.359
John Stewart as well. So very interesting. Two different styles
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of writing, two different styles of being creative. And yeah,
489
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:14.359
I'm in for the ride on Tiniestro though, but.
490
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Even pre Sinestro, because I want you to just have
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the floor there as like a full on explainer. I
492
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:22.400
like the idea that Jam says in chat he also
493
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.559
might have lost some other friends along the way. This
494
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:30.039
is our ticket af to already have the main DCUs
495
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.960
flash being Wally West. What if Kyle Jordan was best
496
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:40.119
these solving crimes with Barry Allen. Barry Allen's not here anymore.
497
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.200
Dude, I've I've been thinking about that so much. I've
498
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.119
been thinking about that because the moment how Kyle Chandler
499
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was announced with a throw, I knew immediately Betty I
500
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:55.160
Din cannot be young because they basties. They do everything together,
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00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.359
they love each other. They are bro ands and Gope
502
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:03.119
Broku's they really it's it's amazing. They sort of dynamic.
503
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.480
So Barry Allen is definitely older. We are getting value
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00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:10.319
waste as our main line flash in the DCU. I
505
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.480
am ninety nine point nine nine five pers confidence that
506
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.240
we are going to get value waste in the DCU.
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00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.559
With regards to I saw in the somewhere in the
508
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.039
in the chat, I think it was you that mentioned it,
509
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:29.640
T J. J. Garrick, And we didn't get anything about
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00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:36.759
who's the old js A Green Anton Alan Scott, how
511
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.599
Jordan said in this episode he's the first Green Lenton.
512
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.680
That means Alan Scott probably didn't exist in the DCU continuity.
513
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.000
So I don't think that we're getting Jay Garrick yet,
514
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.200
but that also contradicts what we saw in the Whole
515
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.839
of Justice with that entire mural because Alan Scott was
516
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.839
in there and Jay Garrick was in there. So I
517
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.119
wonder how James Kunny is going to be better and
518
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.480
seeing all of these different things that people have been
519
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.119
picking out. So yeah, dude, I'm just excited. Wallywist will
520
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.519
be the mainline Flash.
521
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.039
And now Sinestro because like we had a chance to
522
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.480
talk about Wally, we had to do it.
523
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:20.799
Yeah, per And I mean, if Wally West enters the DCU,
524
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.799
I will be unhinged. I don't think anybody's ready for that.
525
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:29.279
But that's the story for another day. Sinestro, he was
526
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:37.000
He's a very like complicated character because he set out
527
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.319
to do something that he thought was right and he
528
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.440
was overcome with something else. That's why he went from
529
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Green Landing to Yellow Lantern and eventually creating his own
530
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Sinisteria Corp. Afterwards. And yeah, human hell, they've been enemies
531
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:59.279
for years, decades however long, so we are going to
532
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.160
get him. I don't know which episode we are going
533
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:05.599
to get to the show in this show, but from
534
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.319
what I've seen, what I've seen in his in the trailer.
535
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.279
He looks bad ass.
536
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:19.200
Mark. If somebody jumps out of a moving car and
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leaves you a green lantern lank ring, you're gonna survive it.
538
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:28.319
Uh that I don't know. I might not have been
539
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:30.960
as clever as John Stewart and put myself in green
540
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.839
bubble wrap. That was that was I like that. He's like,
541
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.599
I'm not concerned with saving Hal's car. Screw this guy.
542
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.720
He just left me in a moving car. I'm just
543
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:40.920
gonna save myself. I put myself in bubble wrap. His
544
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car can be wrecked. I don't care.
545
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.640
When they finally get to the town. If I'm doing
546
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.720
the nittiest of picks, like this does not matter. This
547
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.839
is not a complaint, it's relevant. I do feel like
548
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.759
it's a little bit unreasonable that John could have got
549
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.519
there in six hours. I feel like he's gonna he's
550
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.200
in the middle of nowhere. I guess maybe he could
551
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:15.079
have got somebody to get to uh drive him to
552
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.599
an airport quickly, but like, I assume you still gotta
553
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.279
go get his passport. I don't know man getting getting
554
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.440
there in six hours. The way this all came together,
555
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.400
and that was pretty That was pretty quick, but still
556
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:32.079
they eventually both get to this small town. They're hanging
557
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.519
out in the little in the football field again. Coach
558
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:41.960
Taylor vibes for for Hal Jordan and they kind of
559
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:47.519
start introducing here the supplementary cast that we are gonna
560
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:53.599
get throughout this season. We get some lines I really
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00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.000
enjoyed between Hal and John of like did you just
562
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:58.960
use the ring to make counterfeit money?
563
00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.119
No?
564
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.680
I just manifested money with the power of my will.
565
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.799
And on the surface it looks like it's how abusing
566
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.119
the ring the powers of the ring, But when you
567
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.279
dig a little bit deeper, well, no, there's a purpose.
568
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.680
He's using this jukebox to anger that guy so he
569
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.400
can get in a fight, so we can get into jail,
570
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:23.119
so that he can interrogate the potential alien that is
571
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sitting in this city. And the interrogation itself was pretty
572
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.799
fascinating one because we get to see how skills too,
573
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:37.160
we get to see background of whoever these aliens are
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on Earth and how they operate. Mark, what did you
575
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.480
anything stand out in terms of like supplementary cast we
576
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.359
got here or feel free to dive right into this
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00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.640
interrogation scene.
578
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.960
Yeah, a lot to touch on number one. I love
579
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.079
just that visual them at the football field and in general.
580
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.799
I love that anytime Hal wants to just be a
581
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.240
dick to John, he's just going to frame it as
582
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.800
I'm testing you, like you left me behind to get
583
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.639
hear myself, I was testing you, like anytime he wants
584
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.840
to inconvenience this this trainee, he's just gonna say that
585
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.079
it was a test. I love that dynamic. I hope
586
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:23.800
that comes back into play. But this sheriff and I
587
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.239
forget the actress's name and my apologies, but I really
588
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.960
like this character already. I feel like there is something
589
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:33.719
she is not being told.
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00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.239
Kelly McDonald playing officer Carry.
591
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.159
Yeah, I feel like there's something that she's not being
592
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.559
told by her husband and her husband's father, who looks
593
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.800
way too young to be his dad. They seem like
594
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.039
they're not very far apart in age. That raised a
595
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.000
bit of a red flag to.
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00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.320
Me and his wife too, Zoe, which we'll get to.
597
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.079
But like grandma and Grandpa, these are the best looking
598
00:34:58.119 --> 00:34:59.800
gam and Grandpa's I've ever seen in my life.
599
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.760
Absolutely, so that that dynamic is interesting. But she seems
600
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:06.639
like someone who's just trying to do the right thing.
601
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.079
And now she is tied up in are these aliens?
602
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.159
I have to deal with this green lantern and he's
603
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.840
a dick. Like So, I really like this character and
604
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.920
I feel like we're going to enjoy her on screen
605
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:24.360
as she continues on. But this interrogation scene just was
606
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.360
peak to me. This was so good the way that
607
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.159
how fishes out that this that this individual is indeed
608
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.440
an alien by saying that his opinions on Barack Obama
609
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.039
being just the stuff you could read in a Wikipedia.
610
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.400
Uh, that's a man in the South, and you're not
611
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:43.960
a racist. I don't want.
612
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.920
Yeah, that's the that's your opinion of Barack whosein Obama?
613
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.360
I was dying like that is like he just out
614
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.280
of this guy that in the Harry Potter line. I'm
615
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.559
like the way that he is able to say, yeah,
616
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.840
of course you're going to be an expert in in
617
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.280
what you say you are, but you're not going to
618
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:03.320
memorize anything else. That was just so well done. And
619
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.920
uh and then the arrogance. Uh, after he's kind of out,
620
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:08.880
it is like, hey, you don't have enough power left
621
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.760
in your ring to actually contain Uh this if I
622
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.239
suicide bomb myself and you see that little bit of
623
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.039
arrogance there show you show itself. Where's like, hell yeah,
624
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.920
I can It's everything about that scene just that was
625
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.679
my favorite part of the whole episode by far, easily.
626
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.079
Af Who is kat mytoy? Because jam and Chad says
627
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.679
he thinks the cop is cat mytoey or maybe he
628
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:36.239
was saying that about Zoe. I'm not sure.
629
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.320
Uh, I don't you'd be saying that about Zoe. Even
630
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:51.760
that ethnicity you could actually make sense because yeah, yeah,
631
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.280
so that makes a lot of sense. If you like,
632
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.480
just do a quick Google search of who cut me
633
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.599
twey Is, you'll see that she's a brown character or
634
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:06.000
a brown is character. She's a green Lenten. Uh So, yeah,
635
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.360
I think that's that's a really good shout. But with
636
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.079
a show that's seemingly so grounded after the first episode, lock,
637
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.159
I don't know what happens in the nixt ones, So
638
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.960
I don't know if they're going to take a swing
639
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:26.239
that big, but I'll I'll be happy if they do.
640
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.119
They ff what do you think is going on in
641
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:34.119
this small town? There is hail in Nebraska. It sends
642
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:39.480
how immediately there we get some confirmation that there is
643
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.360
an alien that blows themselves up in this episode, and
644
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:48.159
we got Garret Dilla Hunt's character William Macon, who is
645
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:56.000
just ready with his guns with like some like I
646
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:57.400
don't even I don't think we got to dive too
647
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.760
far into it because it's like it's I think an allegory,
648
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.639
but also at the same time where it's like aliens
649
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.639
with technology could be scary. So I do get that
650
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:11.559
perspective also, but like very much like anti immigration sentiments
651
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.920
here of like, hey, we did the colonizing already, We're
652
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:20.079
not gonna get colonized again. Very like heavy handed immigration
653
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.320
allegory there. But at the same time we actually do
654
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.239
get an exploding alien and that so and so it's like, well,
655
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.400
all right, we got ourselves a little bit of a
656
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.280
problem in this in this small town. What do you
657
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:32.039
think is going down?
658
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.599
So in the train that we were teased about the
659
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:43.119
Manhunters and the man Aunts are these basically space cops
660
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:48.400
as well, but they more peacekeeping. And he actually dropped
661
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.519
a line while Hell was interrogating him, and he's like,
662
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:56.679
we basically went the opposite of peace and that's all.
663
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:03.760
So are the man Hunters basically following somebody else's didictives.
664
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.800
They is a AC in the comic book way. They
665
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:11.400
sort of joined the Sinistoko and we know that Cinesciada
666
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.920
is going to be in the show, so could you
667
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:18.039
be the one putting the stings. I'm pretty much in
668
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:19.920
the dark about where this could go. This could go
669
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.320
many ways, but I think that the alien species that
670
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.280
we saw in that first episode was probably the debut
671
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:28.719
of the Manhunters.
672
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:33.320
Which is a confusing name because I didn't know until
673
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.199
I researched it that they don't have anything to do
674
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.639
with Martian Manhunter. They're just also Manhunters who can shape shift,
675
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.559
so confusing, but the difference is once they shift, they
676
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.480
gotta stay that way and they're part robotic I think
677
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.400
as well, and we see that as this guy, will
678
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.719
we get a Martian Manhunter in this series. I can
679
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.320
see them doing that, just because the general public that
680
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.880
knows a little DC, like myself, who I feel like
681
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.519
I know a lot of DC, but I still haven't
682
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:10.599
heard of the man Hunters associates that name with Martian Manhunter.
683
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.280
I could see that this being a way to backdoor
684
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.519
squeeze that character in at the end of the series.
685
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.239
I think the scene that we saw in that trailer
686
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with the that hed sort of cross on his back
687
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.360
that he normally weighs, and I don't think that that
688
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:28.840
was a mistake or with it was misleading. I think
689
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we could see the marshaman and either as a cameo
690
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or in a post creaded scene at the end. And
691
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.960
I think that that scene could be a postgradd scene.
692
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.000
I could see that as well. Where did Marsha Manhunter
693
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:44.760
get his name? Why is he a Manhunter?
694
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.840
Oh that's a good question. I don't. I don't know
695
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.760
extensive Marsha man anti law, so maybe jam would know
696
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:56.760
that that run in the chat.
697
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.800
I guess Manhunter was a car. In mid twentieth century slang,
698
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.320
manhunter was a common term for a police detective or
699
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.400
law enforcement officer who tracked down criminals, and that's what
700
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.119
his thing was. So it was basically just that he
701
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:12.639
was like a Martian cop.
702
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.400
There you go, all right.
703
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:17.960
I thought there was.
704
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.360
Gonna be more to it, But there's not confusing thing
705
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.679
to call a shape shifting group of villains when we
706
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:31.000
already got this guy. But aliad uh Mark any other
707
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.360
thoughts on the mystery we have bruin in this small town,
708
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:40.679
specifically maybe with William Macon's involvement in it. His little
709
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:47.880
jab at John nothing better than eating off another man's grill.
710
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:53.079
So he knows that John slept with his wife. Our
711
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.880
guy John Stewart, who was so militant and locked in,
712
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.360
just couldn't help but get a little something the end
713
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.840
at the end of his work day, and it's coming
714
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.760
back to bite him here. Yeah.
715
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.679
That that was so interesting because at first I didn't
716
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.719
even pick up on that, and I'm like, oh, that's right,
717
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.000
that lady like we'll find out like literally two minutes
718
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.599
earlier as his wife, and so clearly he knows. Uh.
719
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.360
This seems like some sort of the Macon family that
720
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.400
again I mentioned sketchy characters. I don't trust them. I
721
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.199
don't trust Jason Riddard, the son lawyer, I don't trust
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00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:36.320
William Senior, and I don't trust Zoe. So there's something
723
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.280
going on with these three, and there's some sort of
724
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:44.880
surveillance that they're doing over over John and how they
725
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.360
want to use them for something. I'm not sure. I
726
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.199
can't really put my you know, I can't really put
727
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.840
two and two together, but I don't trust them as
728
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.199
far as I can throw them, and I think there's something,
729
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.000
you know, something at play with them. But yeah, that
730
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:03.519
that was very That was an interesting series of scenes there.
731
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:07.400
And again, like I said, I think that the sheriff,
732
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.119
I think she's very much in the dark, possibly even
733
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.280
being used by the Macons. And she alludes to this.
734
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.039
It's like, you could get out of this right now.
735
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.440
You don't want to be in debt to this guy.
736
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.679
Like she knows that he's kind of a dangerous person,
737
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.280
but I don't think she knows the extent of it.
738
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:26.039
I love this dynamic that I've been able to have
739
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:27.840
with with both of you guys on the show where
740
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.960
I say, Mark, what did you think of this storyline
741
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.239
they're telling? And Mark kind of analyzes it from like
742
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.360
a TV storytelling standpoint, and then I go af af
743
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.159
William Macon. Is that William Hand aka the Green Lantern
744
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.960
villain the Black Hand? Or is that who we're seeing here?
745
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.760
So I was actually going to bring that up, and
746
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.280
I was going to tie to another eastig that I found.
747
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.639
So this is the scene we Johnny's walking down the
748
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.119
steep and in the background you can see a lady
749
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.559
with half of a face COVID with the black end,
750
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.800
and then in the post next to that you see
751
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.360
something called Chinese Cosmetics. The owner of Chinese Cosmetics is
752
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.639
Black Mask Sionus, so black Mask next to Black Hand,
753
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.280
and Black Hand is one of being Landon's foes in
754
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.920
the comic books, so that was also pretty interesting.
755
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.760
We also get a tease of him having an employer
756
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.960
he can't talk about. Do you think this is BS?
757
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.440
Do you think he's the guy in charge or do
758
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.239
you think there is somebody behind him? And if so,
759
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.320
who might that be?
760
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.480
I think it is PS. I think he's the one
761
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.400
that's sort of running everything, and I do think that
762
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.119
the fact that they he is something worth Black Masks
763
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.599
indirectly in that episode probably shows that they could be
764
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.800
working together on something. So I do think that he's
765
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.079
sort of the king pin of what's happening over there
766
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.599
from that standpoint. But yeah, I don't think he's any
767
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.760
reporting to anybody.
768
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.119
The biggest thing after watching the screeners that I've been
769
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.679
dying to talk about for a couple of weeks now,
770
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.159
and I've just had to keep biting my tongue holding it.
771
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:23.119
In present day, Hal Jordan's fucking dead man. How's dead?
772
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.079
How does not exist in the present day DTU at
773
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:30.480
this point, he is dead. We finished the episode flashing
774
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.199
forward everything has taken place so far in twenty sixteen.
775
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.800
We flash forward to twenty twenty six. John's got a beard,
776
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.119
but he's still looking young and sexy. He rolls up
777
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.440
to the same small town in Nebraska. He meets Officer
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00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.440
Carry once again, and there is how sitting in the
779
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.920
exact same spot at the football stadium that he had
780
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.480
been sitting in at the beginning of the episode, but
781
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.280
this time he had a bullet right in his head.
782
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:02.000
He did not have his ring. I thought it was
783
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.280
like I didn't actually catch on rewatch. I don't think
784
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.840
they show John's hands at all during this, Like I
785
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:11.639
don't think we see if John has a ring on
786
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.599
or not. Whether they didn't applied to me that he
787
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.679
doesn't just because he's driving there.
788
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.920
I didn't see it, or I think that they purposefully
789
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.599
blocked out any sort of difference to him having it.
790
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:26.719
I agree.
791
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.440
So those scenes were shot in such a way that
792
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.559
you couldn't be too sure that if he has it
793
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.360
went not, So.
794
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.639
We don't know for sure if John has one it's
795
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:40.800
kind of implied. No, because of the driving, we don't
796
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.800
know for sure. They do show Hal's hand, there's no
797
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.960
ring there, and what do you think happened to Hal
798
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.480
Jordan and did somebody steal the ring? Or do you
799
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.000
think the ring went off and transferred to Guy Gardner
800
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.079
at twenty twenty six and Superman essentially is the very
801
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:59.840
first time that he had had it.
802
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:04.679
I guess what is that? What the timeline like when
803
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.360
we need Superman Superman?
804
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.000
I think when theory would be set in twenty twenty five.
805
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.880
So then yeah, that which is.
806
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:14.760
Which makes me think, like I guess it couldn't have
807
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.960
gone the guy. Guy would have already had.
808
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.639
To have had one and Guy guys been have been
809
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.719
lent in for a while d by the time Superman happens.
810
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.400
Yeah, so Guy has to get a ring between twenty
811
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:32.239
sixteen and twenty twenty six, which is odd considering John
812
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.000
has already been chosen by the Guardians.
813
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.159
Yeah. Gem says in the chat that that I just
814
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.679
said in the podcast off to the show that they
815
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.840
didn't win to Guy, but that doesn't something doesn't line
816
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.039
up in or am I'm missing something?
817
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.239
Yeah? Because I guess, like because he would have already
818
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.480
had to have been dead for a long time. Then
819
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.920
there's something that's not lining up yet. Because Superman takes
820
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.599
place in twenty twenty five. This scene at the end
821
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:03.119
of the episode takes place in twenty twenty six, so
822
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.320
Guy already had his ring and had been for a
823
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.320
while in Superman. That would if that is Hal's ring,
824
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.599
that would then imply that Hal has been dead for
825
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:25.480
seven plus years or five plus years maybe, or I
826
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.519
lost his ring. They tried to give it to John,
827
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.079
but instead it chose someone else, went to Guy Gardner,
828
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.880
so they made John his own ring. Yeah, like that
829
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:36.880
could also be a possibility.
830
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.000
Could be, And we know that in the comics China
831
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.480
has sort of forced his own thing before, so that's
832
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:50.239
not out of the Alma possibility. If he's if they
833
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.679
didn't lift his hand in that scene, and he's been
834
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:56.400
sitting the how long, who knows how long it's been there,
835
00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:02.199
it's been snowing. The dude's bodies is property frozen. Yeah,
836
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.599
it will be interesting for them to actually just explain
837
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:09.400
that entire timeline. But Jam stated earlier in the chat
838
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.360
as well, Pedallax, and it's hard to argue with something
839
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:17.320
like that. If Aul literally went down this road of
840
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:23.519
like grief and torment and he just tried to overcome
841
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.000
that but he couldn't, then I can see something like
842
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:31.400
this happening. Him going to oh Aim basically destroying the
843
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.639
entire green landing core over the absorbing all of that
844
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.159
power and becoming Paradax. It's not out of the realm
845
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.840
of possibility. I can see that happening.
846
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.880
I absolutely could see them doing Parallax as well. And
847
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.960
then I saw I was reading some stuff about him
848
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.800
becoming Specter in the future. I can't remember who if
849
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.840
that was somebody, somebody sent me a tweeter if I
850
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.760
found that on my own. But is that the same
851
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:01.400
character that, like Oliver Queen was in the air Verse? Yes, yeah,
852
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.599
so you make compara wax, then he comes back as
853
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.480
a good guy in when they eventually do Crisis.
854
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.400
I don't think that I like that in all honesty.
855
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.840
I yeah, like I think that if they do that,
856
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.840
there's going to be a lot of push back and
857
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.039
a lot of hate towards it, because I mean, the
858
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:29.400
Specter character, they like a lot of people like that
859
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:33.440
character on its own to be the unique character. So
860
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.360
is he using existing characters for that. I don't think
861
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.159
people's really going to appreciate that, especially a character like
862
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:43.840
Al Jordan's. So yeah, that's that's just my take on
863
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:45.920
of that. I don't think I'll be on board with
864
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.239
making how Specter.
865
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.119
Mark hal Jordan bullet wounds to the head. He's got
866
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:56.639
no ring? Did Gollum steal his ring? Did it go
867
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.480
to did it go to Guy Gardner? How do you
868
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:01.239
think this uh played out?
869
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.519
Gollum would certainly be suspect number one. If I had
870
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.320
Ned Leeds spidy board something like that, for I'd be like,
871
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.719
let me, I'm picturing Mark Spidey board. He's got gall
872
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:13.559
them up there. Number one. There's just like a big
873
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.280
thing of Grimace in the corner.
874
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.280
With the tag how is he involved?
875
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:22.000
Grimace would definitely be involved that that that piece of garbage.
876
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.639
But uh no, I mean it's it's interesting. So first
877
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.159
of all, in maybe I have to rewatch Superman, Guy's
878
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.960
ring did not look similar to uh to Hal's at all.
879
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.360
I think they're they're two different rings. Maybe how maybe
880
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:41.280
Guy has How's a ring like separately at this point,
881
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.320
But the ring that Guy used in Superman it looked
882
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.679
a little bit different, so I feel like it's their
883
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:50.760
different rings. So maybe there were multiple lanterns active at
884
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.320
the same time on Earth. I'm sure that that has
885
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.880
probably happened before in the comics. May A f will
886
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.280
probably you'll speak to that. Uh So, I feel like.
887
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.599
Guy I have at once on Earth pathnant there.
888
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:07.960
So maybe Guy became active during this ten year period
889
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:13.280
and maybe something something happened to John to make him reconsider.
890
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:18.199
Maybe he refused the ring, Maybe he took a different
891
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.440
path in his life based on something that happens here,
892
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.039
and maybe he just outright refused it. That would be
893
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:28.639
my best guess. And perhaps what happens to how is
894
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.960
what gets him to reconsider that that change of heart
895
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.519
and Okay, I need to find this ring. I need
896
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.519
to avenge my friend. Maybe this was my calling, you know,
897
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.159
maybe that is the canon event to borrow from another franchise,
898
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.239
that that causes him to become a Green Lantern.
899
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.880
What do you think happened to Hal Jordan and what
900
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:51.760
happened to his ring? You can let us know on
901
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.079
socials at Agents Fandom, on TikTok and Twitter, Agents of
902
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.480
Fandom everywhere else. You can also leave a comment on
903
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.239
YouTube and on Spotify. Let us know what you think
904
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.519
happened to how Jordan. If you got a theory, we'll
905
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.840
talk about it on next week's podcast. They have any
906
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:12.960
other final thoughts on this episode or theories about what's
907
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:14.519
to come that we haven't covered yet.
908
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:17.880
No, dude, I think that they just hit it out
909
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.679
of the park with this first one. I'm seated, I'm
910
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.599
locked in for the season, and I think that's all
911
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.800
that I wanted from this episode. I just wanted them
912
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.119
to ensure that comic book fans will appreciate what they're
913
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.199
going to do, even though it's being grounded and like
914
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.039
I said, like out of space, it's going to be
915
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.760
taking place most of the time on Earth. So the
916
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.840
fact that they managed to delve all of those things
917
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:48.280
into one nice little product, I'm all there for it, dude.
918
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:52.239
I think Jam. I think this was Jam who like
919
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.360
dropped it in a group chat earlier today when I
920
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:56.440
was sexing him and he said that, like, he hasn't
921
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.320
been this locked into a superhero TV show right off
922
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:06.079
the Hobsons and after a massive massive DC fan We've
923
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.360
seen all these Marvel TV shows for a long time.
924
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:11.000
DC's had them, but it's kind of been a while
925
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:13.639
since we've gotten a live action one new. You know,
926
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.559
they kind of had their heyday, then they disappeared and
927
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.280
it was all the Marvel TV on Disney Plus DC
928
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.519
is back. Now. How are you feeling about this first
929
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.079
episode as a fan for What's to come?
930
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.679
Dude? I love it. Like it's more gritty than anything
931
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.320
that Marvel or sput out, and I think that's what
932
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:34.360
we wanted, That's what we knew we are gaining to
933
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:39.840
get under this James Gun umbrella. So I just want
934
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.320
him to sort of keep it consistent. I want him
935
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:47.360
to be able to just keep punction down the dual
936
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:50.840
every single episode, doing sure that the quality doesn't drop.
937
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.880
Mark. Any final thoughts on the episode that you want
938
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:57.280
to touch on that we haven't covered yet.
939
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.719
Yeah, to build up off of what AF was saying,
940
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:07.800
it's definitely grounded, and I think that Lindeloff and the
941
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.519
other the others involved in production, I think they hit
942
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:15.559
a great balance. Something can be kind of grittier and
943
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.599
you know, a little bit darker without just being over
944
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:24.079
the top, you know, Zack Snyder version of something that
945
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.400
is just super dark and gritty for the sake of
946
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.840
being dark and gritty, like this is an adult show basically,
947
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.320
but it's it's not going over the top. I think
948
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.280
they struck a really good balance, and I had a
949
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:42.280
lot of hope for it because I loved what Linda
950
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:46.119
Loof did with Watchmen, which part of me is a
951
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.239
little fearful that he's gonna be like, oh, I don't
952
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.000
want to do more than one season of Lanterns. I
953
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.440
only want to do one season of Watchmen. Like no, no, no, dude,
954
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.320
we want to do multiple seasons of this. I already
955
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:59.119
want multiple seasons of Lanterns. But we'll see. But I
956
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.719
just I think they struck a really good balance here.
957
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.840
I'd be very interested to see eventually how these characters
958
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.760
from the different properties do intermingle. Because you have Superman,
959
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:17.199
which is a very hopeful, light, very colorful project, and
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then you have Lanterns, which is very much muted and
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and and darker. How are you know, how are those
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characters going to interact in future iterations? That'll be interesting
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to see, you mute to TJ. Mark.
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If you were to be chosen by a ring, which
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not which one would you want? Which one would find
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you between a red ring, a rage a yellow ring
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for fear, a green ring for will, a blue one
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for hope, or a pink one for love.
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I think for me it's either between green or blue.
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I feel like it would be blue. I am a
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pretty optimistic person.
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I feel the blue too.
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I'm very hopeful by nature, so it might be blue
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for me. Yeah, it definitely. I definitely have the rage
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monkey under control. Wouldn't be red.
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Af pabout which one? Which one's finding?
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You say, I just need gams coming. I think that
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I would. I'm probably a blue guy as well. Yeah,
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I think that I'm I'm a I'm a gloss awful guy.
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I always think of the basin audio for everything, and
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my hope labels are normally quite high. So yeah, I
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think the blue, the blueting would would come my way.
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Jay three in chat, does he wants He's full of fear,
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he wants the yellow ring, jams toilet rings already brown
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from his ib s and so what color ring would
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you want again? You can let us know on socials,
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you can let us know in Spotify comments, on the
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YouTube comments. That's one of my favorite things that they
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do in the Young Justice series Jam when the guy
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has the blue ring and the red ring and then
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he eventually gets the White Ring and it's all cool.
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He has got both, he combines the power, he balances it.
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What did you think of Lantern's Episode one? And that's
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not the only thing we're covering D twenty three. We're
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gonna be having our show Tuesday, twelve pm Eastern Time.
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We'll talk about the X Men cast, We'll talk about
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Percy Jackson and the Olympians. We'll talk about the Avengers
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Doomsday trailer, the new announcements from Pixar, the new announcements
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from DC. We will dive into all of that, so
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stay tuned. Plus, we're gonna have some more shows coming
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this week. I feel like I want to do a
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spider Man ranking still. I want to do My Adventures
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with Superman and a Batman Kate Crusader show. And that's
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all before things just really really heat up for us
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with Vision Quest Avatar seven Havens Clayface that's coming as
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soon as the season turns the fall.
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And TJ, TJ Feto and I we are doing Comic
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Corner again. So we re quoted one episode last week
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and we're probably gonna keep on doing it every Thursday again.
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Heck yeah, I forgot that. I still have to drop that.
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Thank you for the reminder, so I will get on
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that asapp and then well those that's on Thursdays, Thursday mornings,
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so stay tuned for the comic corner. AF. Where can
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people find you? On socials before we get out of here?
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And not just on socials, but plug away anything that
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you're you want to plug.
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Yeah, I'm at a f podcast six four two on
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all social media platforms and then on YouTube and Instagram.
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That's geeky a if so. Been dropping some sort of
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primers and stuff like that, reviews over on my YouTube channel,
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so you can go check that out as well.
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Mark, how about you? Where can the people find you?
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And good luck this upcoming hockey season?
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It's about to be all hockey for me starting September.
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I can be found on Twitter at Mark Piselli thirteen.
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That's pis E l L. I always talking about shows, movies, sports.
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I'm always a bit of a mixed bag on They're
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happy to connect with people.
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All right, Thank you so much to everyone who tuned
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in today. We will see you next time on behalf
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of Myself AF and Mark Peace
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What's up everyone, Welcome to Level seven. It is time
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for another episode of the Agents of Fandom podcast. I'm
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your host, Tj'swortch, and we got a very exciting show
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ahead of us today because we got a brand new
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Sunday night HBO show, House of the Dragon is done
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and now we're ready to dive into something else. And
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we also got the first live action show in the DCU.
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Creature Commandos was pretty cool, but this is kind of
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like on another level of excitement with finally getting to
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introduce some brand new, big characters in the DC universe.
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We are of course talking about lanterns and join me
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today and throughout the eason to break it down. I
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got my guy Af Parker, Af, how you doing.
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I'm doing pretty good, man. Hi Off that first episode,
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I enjoyed the hell out of it, so on wait
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to go a bit deeper into what everybody thinks about it.
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And joining us today as well. I thought it was
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just going to be like, hey, because we're watching some Thrones,
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some dragons, we got to bring our guy Mark in,
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but we got to keep them in for our Sunday
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night shows in general, and so we're bringing them back.
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Mark Vasalia. A.
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You doing, Mark, I'm awesome. I love that we continue.
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We just roll right from House to Dragon into Lanterns
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with no break whatsoever. That's the perfect transition. We I've
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said it before, we have to have a great Sunday
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night HBO show in our lives. There's been too much
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with a gap lately. So I'm excited about about Lanterns
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and want to get into it.
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Before we get into it, I do want to ask
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both of you which you've been watching af We haven't
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chatted in a while, so I want to know what
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you've been reading too, in terms of some comic books,
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I will throw it to you first, what you've been watching.
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Yeah, so, like everybody else X Men and ninety seven,
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I was watching The House of the Dragon as well.
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That's done. I started off with Widows Bay some about
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three episodes in on that one. Absolutely loved that show.
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I can't believe I was so late to the party,
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but I'm I'm loving every second of that one. And
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then I'm about halfway through my new go Rewatch, so
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I'm enjoying that because all of these roomors about the reunion. Dude,
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I'm making sure that I'm ready when that comes out,
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I will be ready.
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I it's my favorite sitcom of all time. I'm with you.
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I love New Girls so so much. I am really
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enjoy I really enjoyed the first season of Adults FX's
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TV show, because that is like the first show that
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kind of gave me the New Girl vibe of like, Hey,
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a bunch of thirty year olds living in the house together.
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Sometimes life's good, sometimes life's bad, but we're together and
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the banter is good like it. I really really like
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how that show reminds me of it. And I really
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want to tune into Furious on another apect show it's
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on Hulu, because that's a totally different vibe. It's not
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a comedy, but it's the same creator, it's the same creator,
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and so I want to check out Furious because that's
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one that I've heard is really good and it's the
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same creator as New Girl. So I'm like, I'm probably
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gonna like it, but I haven't got a chance to
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check it out yet.
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Yeah, for sure, Like that's that's on my bucket list,
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on my watch list at the moment. I just need
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to find the time to get to all of these shows, yeah,
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because they are shows that are priority, and I have
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to read some books as well. And you ask me
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each books i'm reading, I'm I'm probably reading every single
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absolute book on the DC on the DC shelf, So
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that's keeping me super busy.
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Heck yeah, love to hear it.
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Mark.
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How about you what you've been watching?
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So I just wrapped up the I think the season
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finale of My Adventures with Superman. I think that was
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the last episode. I'm pretty sure. And yeah, just I
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I feel like this season it was a little weird,
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like I think they tried some some different stuff, a
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lot of that, a lot of time travel stuff. But
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overall I enjoyed it, not as much as the first
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two seasons, but still looking forward to seeing how they
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you know, how they wrap things up. I think they're
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having at least one more season of it, so I
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am looking forward to when that returns. But all my
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free time one September is going to be devoted to
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I'm gonna be at the hockey rink most times, so
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I won't be able to be watching too much. I
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have to make appointments for when I can actually squeeze
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in some shows, so I'll take advantage of these next
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couple of weeks to maybe do some rewatches.
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I of course you have been keeping up with House
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the Dragon, X Men ninety seve. We broke down the
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finales for those shows here on the Agency found in podcasts.
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You can find that up on YouTube and wherever you
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get your pods, So make sure you subscribe, hit that
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us build it up. And I'm excited to dive into
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this one. I was trying to think, have I been
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watching anything else recently? I'm almost I have one episode
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left of Batman Keep Crusader, I have one episode left
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of My Adventures with Superman. I still do think I
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want to do like after I finish those, maybe like
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a podcast covering both of those at the same time.
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And we are later this week as well, on Tuesday,
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gonna be breaking down D twenty three, the X Men
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cast and everything that came from that, So stay tuned
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for that as well. That is coming later this week.
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Shall we talk some lanterns? I can't think else that
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I would really want to dive into beforehand. We'll save
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the X Men cast talk for tomorrow, and so I
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think we can just go right into lantern time. Shout ouh,
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my god, jam and Chat does. Unfortunately, DJ doesn't love
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me enough to bring me on for my favorite superhero.
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We'll try and make it work at some point, but
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the problem is you get off work in the middle
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of the night for AF and So's.
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I don't know how.
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Those schedules are gonna line up super well, but we'll
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find a way at least once this season. Mark, I
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will throw it to you first. What did you think
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of the spoiler free still? What do you think of
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the first episode of this series?
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Yeah, I had very high expectations going in. Then a
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few days beforehand we got the you know, the embargo lifted,
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We got to see reviews, and the reviews were incredible,
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so that only increased my expectations. In this first episode
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they were met. I really I enjoy again this true
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to detective vibe, training day vibe that the show brings.
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It was a lot of just talking, not a ton
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of action, which I actually liked, just kind of a
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lot of discourse and kind of setting up the dynamic
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between Hal and John Stewart. You know, it's a very
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uneasy partnership, and of course we know why no one's
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ever comfortable training their replacement, but it's it's a very
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awkward dynamic and there's a lot of sketchy characters that
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I look forward to discussing with you guys. I have
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my you know, my eyebrows raised with a few of
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these characters that were introduced to us.
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I wrote it in my review as the first four
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episodes go, there's a couple things that like hold this
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show back from being like truly truly great for me,
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at least in the first four episodes. But I thought
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the first episode was incredible, Like I thought that the
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way this series opened, I was, I'm so bought in
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for what's gonna come. And this show has such a
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high floor because of how great Kyle Chandler and Aaron
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Perr are together. Like you said, Mark, it's an uneasy partnership.
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I think I was. One of the captions in my
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article was like, can you call it a buddy cop
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if they absolutely hate each other? And it's like it
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does have that dynamic though, and it's just like it's
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so so the chemistry is so palpable between the two
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of them, and so we got an exciting mystery and
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we got great chemistry between the leads. It's gonna be
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hard for this show to just be bad, you know
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what I mean. Like, there's a couple of things that
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stopped it from being truly great for me, mainly I
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just want a little more lanterning, but in general, just like,
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it's tough to screw it up when you got the
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pieces here that are so great, plus one of the
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greatest TV creative teams of all time as well. Af
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What were your thoughts on the first.
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I, like Mark said, all the reviews that came out
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got me super excited for it because I really didn't
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know what to think about how they're going to tackle
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the grounded version of this thing that Green Lanton is
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a space cup. Essentially, all of his stories in the
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comic is mostly just in space on our different planets.
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the season, and I think the action is still going
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to come, So I think all of my expectations were
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everywhere else. We open Lanterns with a flashback to John
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Stewart's youth, and there's so much to pick apart from
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just this sequence alone. From we have John and his
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two brothers watching Hal Jordan on the TV. Both of
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his brothers clearly terrified about his dad getting home, their
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dad's getting home. John not so scared. He wants to
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watch this program. He's gonna watch it until the last
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possible minute. We already see him from the opening scene,
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just like handling fear a bit differently than his brothers do.
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He asks about it, he knows he's been watching the
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Green Lantern, takes him outside. I was terrified of what's
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gonna happen when he's taking him outside. This is not
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what I expected. This is both so much scarier and
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also like the Teens, tiniest bit wholesome the way it
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went down afterwards, but like ninety nine point nine percent scary,
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zero point zero one percent tiny bit holdsome and he
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puts an apple on his head. He says, are you afraid?
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He says no, shoots it off his head, and then
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they have a little hug, takes them to get a burger.
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clearly this is we see, this is a boy who
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is being trained for this role from the get go.
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and I still remember I turned to my wife and
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I was like, what is he going to do? What
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is he going to do? And he did exactly what
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we thought he was going to do, and it was
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so so insane because immediately after that, he's just like, Okay,
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you want to go get a burger, Let's go get
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a burger, Like I just start an apple off the
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top of your head. So that was was crazy. But
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also the question that he asked him, are you afraid?
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a green lantern, are you afraid? And I think like
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from that moment it was already basically destined for Transtut
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to become a green lantern. And then how Jordan late
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in that episode he echoed the same question again, are
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you afraid? And he's like, no, sir. So great foreshadowing there,
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like from nineteen ninety six all the way to twenty sixteen.
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you said, we got him clearly being trained for this
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from birth. I also thought it was fascinating because his
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dad seemingly comes in like so what was his name?
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How something his dad doesn't know al Jordan, yet he's
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already being trained for this, Like what was your read
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on this situation?
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It was a very interesting scene because right away you
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get the vibes like okay, is this an abusive parent,
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like because the obviously the brothers are terrified. Clearly there's
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rules in their house that you can't have the TV
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on at a certain hour or something like that. So
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you know, is John Stewart a rebellious child You get
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the sense right away, not necessarily a rebellious child, but
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just someone who's not afraid of the consequences of their
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dads showing up and still having the TV on having
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broken that rule. So that was interesting. But in general, yeah,
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it just seems that whether it was specifically to become
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a green lantern or just in general, you know, John
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not be afraid in case he wants to get into
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wants to get to the military or for for something else,
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it's just it lines up perfectly that, Okay, he's clearly
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on a trajectory to be a lantern because he's not afraid.
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he's training him for you know, for that that particular
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arc in his life, and then you do see some
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of the compassion afterwards. It's like, Okay, let's go get
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a burger, like, so, you know, it's there's a lot
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of fear based in that relationship with with his father,
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but but you saw that there's a little bit of
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warmth there too, so and clearly he's still in touch
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with his father as we see later in the episode.
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good dynamic despite us the fear based part of the relationship.
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of hearing stories of like Tiger Woods and his dad,
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where he would just be so so so hard on
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him because you are trying to achieve greatness and so
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you look at it from like a parent and child perspective,
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there are a lot of things that you look at
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and go, oh, I don't like that, like that's not
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how you're supposed to treat kids. But at the same time, oh, well,
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that's the greatest person to do their craft in the
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history of that craft, and so it worked, and so
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like that, this feels like a very exaggerated version of
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that is like, definitely, don't be shooting at your children.
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That's a bad idea, never ever do that. But he
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wasn't afraid. He wasn't afraid. He doesn't seem afraid of
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his dad. He wasn't afraid of the gun. It's kind
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of like, a is that how you should parents a child?
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Know?
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Is that how you make a superhero? Maybe?
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What you like?
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A what do you think of this philosophy? And do
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you think we get more between young John and his
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dad in the future of this series or was this
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just like flashback to start things off and now we
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go from here, because we do see they still have
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a relationship in at least twenty sixteen when they're having
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their chat.
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I was just about to being that that out because
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in that film call that he makes to his dad
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in twenty sixteen, he's saying, like talking about what hell
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he's feeling, and he's followed basically tells him these different
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states of rules for green Lenten and you green Enton yecked.
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a white guy and you're not, and that as well. Yeah,
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they can go out and act like an asshole and
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people will be like, ah, look at that guy. That's
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not the case for for us.
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Yeah, one hundred percent.
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John and his dad are not as teacher. I think
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obviously as they come.
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I think that that's sort of hard eating. The relationship
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between the two of them is going going to continue.
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It does in the comics, U Jam said in the
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in the comments over there, John and his dad, they
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have a very complicated relationship in the comics. So I
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can see this going for the duration of the show,
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or as long as they keep on including his dad
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in the storylines. His dad's always going to want the
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want the best from him. He's always going to want
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him to try one hundred and fifty percent, where as
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all other fathers will be proud of their kids were
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just giving one hundred percent. So he's always going to
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be harder on John, and I think that that also
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so just sort of molds him into the type of
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person he eventually becomes.
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From one complicated relationship to the next. We see John
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as an adult Aaron Pierre looking all jacked as hell, boxing,
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and right off the hop we find out like just
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so much about Hal Jordan. He's late, he's hungover, and
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he's just poking the bear. He's just poking John with
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a stick. Oh you sure you're not mad at me?
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I would be mad at me. I was late. I'm hungover,
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like I would be pretty pissed off. AF What do
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you think of One Kyle Chandler's performance as how Jordan
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throughout this episode and two this intro meeting between the
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two of them with just like right off the bat,
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we can tell they hate each other, but still the
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chemistry is just so palpable.
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Dude. I was hoping that Kyle Chandler was going to
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be how Joined personified, and that's exactly what it was.
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He by his own rules. He doesn't care about anybody else,
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about what anybody else is doing, So if he's gonna
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come there hangover, he's going to do that. So I
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loved his entire performance in this episode. When he arrived late,
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he said that he was away for two weeks or
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he was late by two weeks, and he was on
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a planet called Feden four. If I'm not mistaken, there
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is no fed In four in DC comics, but they
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is a star Sapphire who is called de la Ferrin
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who was in love with the Green Lantern. So who
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little eastig over there he was.
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I love that I didn't clew up on that at all.
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He was not on a planet. He was doing somebody
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by that he was fu somebody with that.
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Man, that's hilarious, dude, I'm getting frisky.
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I love that. That is fantastic. J three and Chat.
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I want to shout out my guy J three, Maria
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don Yezi as well. They're typically joining me in the
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fantasy football and baseball streets, but they're coming to hang
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out with us for some lanterns. Can TJ briefly explain
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sector to eight one four to us? To us newbies? No,
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I can't, but af how big of a like, how
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many planets? How big of a portion of the galaxy?
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How cover here? Because he kind of just explained it
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as like he's a beat cup and each beat cup
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gets a portion of the galaxy? What is his terrain?
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Who might he be interacting with?
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Dude? They are so this changes so often in the
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comic books. The the isn't a sick amount of planets
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in two eight one four. Excuse me, it's always that
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when when whenever they speak speak about that sector Earth
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is always the one that's going to be spot lit.
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They don't really go into these like five by the
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planets or nine other planets or ten other planets, and
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then there will be two other planets so I think
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it depends on Ivy writer and ivity creative who was
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writing green Entin about how many people or how many
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identities do they want to green Entons to be interacting
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with into eight twenty four. But for the most part,
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if they talking about to eight win four, it's going
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to be a cent regardless.
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Mark, I was not. I'm sorry, I was basically expecting
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at some point in this episode for how Jordan to
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say clear eyes, full hearts can't lose what he was
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given a lot of like what if Tammy Taylor left
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coach Taylor and then he got a green lantern ring.
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That's kind of what this personality reminds me of. Have
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you seen Friday Night Lights? And I just I you're
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a football guy.
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Friday Night Lights. And I'm just a big fan of
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Kyle Chandler in general. And I think this was just
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such a grand slam of a casting. He does such
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a tremendous job playing this clearly run down version of
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Hal Jordan, and you get great context based off of
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the flashbacks, not only the flashback interview where he's still
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you know, a little kind of brash and arrogant, but
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you know, he seems like a good guy at heart.
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And then the consciousness message from ten years prior, where
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he's clearly a different person like that, like that is
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a different Hal Jordan than the one that is in
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front of us in twenty sixteen, and he basically, I
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mean he's playing different characters. Basically, that's how good of
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an actor Kyle Chandler is, Like he's playing different versions
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of that character so well, it's it's so cool to
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see him and Aaron Pierre just they they have their
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oozing chemistry, and I just I'm blown away that someone
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like Kyle Chandler would want to be in a you know,
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you never know which of these big name actors would
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want to be in a superhero property, and I didn't
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think Kyle Chandler would be someone who would do that.
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But it just goes to show when you just have
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people who are at the top of their craft, look
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what they can do when they're given a great script.
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On the note of you never know which of these
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people are gonna want to get into a superhero project,
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you just got me excited to ignite my conversation tomorrow
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of how Adam Driver playing mister Sinister is happening so
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that Disney will also make the Hunt for Ben Solo
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and we're getting him back as Ben Solo here in
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the future as well. And how they're gonna reformat episode
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ten to be the new Ray movie and the Hunt
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for Ben Solo. Well, we'll talk more about that tomorrow.
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Jam In Chat agrees with you, guys, Holy said, Kyle
420
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Chandler is one of the best superhero cast things ever. Mark,
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What do you think happened to him? Because in two thousand,
422
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he's hopeful he just gets the ring, he's wearing the suits.
423
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In twenty sixteen, he's still a good guy. He's backing
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his consciousness up into the ring like he's supposed to.
425
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He's a lot more polite talking to John. Twenty sixteen,
426
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we get this version of him where he just seems jaded.
427
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He's still cool, but he's jaded. What do you think's
428
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gone on in his twenty years of being a Lantern.
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I'm sure that part of it has to do with
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the wear and tear of being a you know, a
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superpowered individual or having a superpowered ring and you know,
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saving people. But I think that a lot of it
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probably just has to do with the fact that it's
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just natural human nature. Once there's a variable introduced, which is, hey,
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you're being replaced, Like he knows a trainee is not
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just to be like a psidechay, Like he knows that
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he's being replaced or the intention is to replace him,
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and human nature is going to make you jaded by that,
439
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and there could be some fear, you know, the you
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are you afraid? Maybe he's actually a little bit afraid
441
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for the first time, afraid that he's going to be
442
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replaced by a younger, very qualified trainee.
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If Johnson loved that conversation between John and the cop too,
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where she's like, he's not fearless, he's lonely, yeah, like
445
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he has no one. And I think that's like a
446
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very good read on the character that she laid out there.
447
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Absolutely, And that's the thing too. If John Stewart wasn't
448
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incredibly capable of being a lantern himself, if if hal
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Jordan didn't feel that this is a very qualified, worthy successor,
450
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he wouldn't feel this way. I feel like if there
451
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was no threat, he probably wouldn't feel this way. But
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he is threatened, and I think he is scared and
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that's clearly weighing on him, and maybe that manifest itself
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later in this series. I don't know, but I think
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there could be a little bit of fear involved.
456
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I think they like shout out to David lindelof Tom King,
457
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the whole team, Chris Munday, I believe is the third
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because they do do such a beautiful job of laying
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out narratively from a TV storytelling standpoint, here are the
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reasons why there could be friction in this relationship, just
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like Mark laid out a fear of being replaced, that
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kind of dynamic of how cling to well I was
463
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chosen because how kind of is the embodiment of yeah,
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he's got a lot of talent but privilege, whereas John
465
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is he had to work for every single thing he
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has ever gotten. He had to train his whole life
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to be at this point, whereas it was just given
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to how he was chosen. And at the same time,
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they can set up things from comic book standpoint where
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comic book fans are able to go as jams as
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in chat happened, That's what happened? Af Who is secenstro
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And do you think that is something that's going to
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come into play here.
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Oh for sure. Before I get into Sinista, I just
475
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want to mention something that you spoke about now with
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Tom King and Damon Lindeloff, And if anybody's read a
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Tom King comic book, you would find out that he,
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instead of going full fantasy on something, you will treat
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that with like some burden, and he'll put some burden
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on that character instead, so it won't really be a
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fantasy thing that you're reading. You are trying to decipher
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how much burden this character is actually carrying with him.
483
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And then on the other end you have Damon Lindeloff.
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If you watch Watchmen or you read the Watchmen comic books,
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you'd find that a lot of his sort of creative
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standpoints are generational trauma, and that we see with with
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John Stewart as well. So very interesting. Two different styles
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of writing, two different styles of being creative. And yeah,
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I'm in for the ride on Tiniestro though, but.
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Even pre Sinestro, because I want you to just have
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the floor there as like a full on explainer. I
492
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like the idea that Jam says in chat he also
493
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might have lost some other friends along the way. This
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is our ticket af to already have the main DCUs
495
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flash being Wally West. What if Kyle Jordan was best
496
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these solving crimes with Barry Allen. Barry Allen's not here anymore.
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Dude, I've I've been thinking about that so much. I've
498
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been thinking about that because the moment how Kyle Chandler
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was announced with a throw, I knew immediately Betty I
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Din cannot be young because they basties. They do everything together,
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they love each other. They are bro ands and Gope
502
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Broku's they really it's it's amazing. They sort of dynamic.
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00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.480
So Barry Allen is definitely older. We are getting value
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waste as our main line flash in the DCU. I
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am ninety nine point nine nine five pers confidence that
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we are going to get value waste in the DCU.
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With regards to I saw in the somewhere in the
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in the chat, I think it was you that mentioned it,
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T J. J. Garrick, And we didn't get anything about
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who's the old js A Green Anton Alan Scott, how
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Jordan said in this episode he's the first Green Lenton.
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That means Alan Scott probably didn't exist in the DCU continuity.
513
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So I don't think that we're getting Jay Garrick yet,
514
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but that also contradicts what we saw in the Whole
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of Justice with that entire mural because Alan Scott was
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in there and Jay Garrick was in there. So I
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wonder how James Kunny is going to be better and
518
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seeing all of these different things that people have been
519
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picking out. So yeah, dude, I'm just excited. Wallywist will
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be the mainline Flash.
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And now Sinestro because like we had a chance to
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talk about Wally, we had to do it.
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Yeah, per And I mean, if Wally West enters the DCU,
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I will be unhinged. I don't think anybody's ready for that.
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But that's the story for another day. Sinestro, he was
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He's a very like complicated character because he set out
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to do something that he thought was right and he
528
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was overcome with something else. That's why he went from
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Green Landing to Yellow Lantern and eventually creating his own
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Sinisteria Corp. Afterwards. And yeah, human hell, they've been enemies
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for years, decades however long, so we are going to
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get him. I don't know which episode we are going
533
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to get to the show in this show, but from
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what I've seen, what I've seen in his in the trailer.
535
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He looks bad ass.
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Mark. If somebody jumps out of a moving car and
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leaves you a green lantern lank ring, you're gonna survive it.
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Uh that I don't know. I might not have been
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as clever as John Stewart and put myself in green
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bubble wrap. That was that was I like that. He's like,
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I'm not concerned with saving Hal's car. Screw this guy.
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He just left me in a moving car. I'm just
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gonna save myself. I put myself in bubble wrap. His
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car can be wrecked. I don't care.
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When they finally get to the town. If I'm doing
546
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the nittiest of picks, like this does not matter. This
547
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is not a complaint, it's relevant. I do feel like
548
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it's a little bit unreasonable that John could have got
549
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there in six hours. I feel like he's gonna he's
550
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in the middle of nowhere. I guess maybe he could
551
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have got somebody to get to uh drive him to
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an airport quickly, but like, I assume you still gotta
553
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go get his passport. I don't know man getting getting
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there in six hours. The way this all came together,
555
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.400
and that was pretty That was pretty quick, but still
556
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they eventually both get to this small town. They're hanging
557
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out in the little in the football field again. Coach
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Taylor vibes for for Hal Jordan and they kind of
559
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start introducing here the supplementary cast that we are gonna
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get throughout this season. We get some lines I really
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enjoyed between Hal and John of like did you just
562
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use the ring to make counterfeit money?
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No?
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I just manifested money with the power of my will.
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And on the surface it looks like it's how abusing
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the ring the powers of the ring, But when you
567
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.279
dig a little bit deeper, well, no, there's a purpose.
568
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He's using this jukebox to anger that guy so he
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can get in a fight, so we can get into jail,
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so that he can interrogate the potential alien that is
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sitting in this city. And the interrogation itself was pretty
572
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fascinating one because we get to see how skills too,
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we get to see background of whoever these aliens are
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on Earth and how they operate. Mark, what did you
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anything stand out in terms of like supplementary cast we
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got here or feel free to dive right into this
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interrogation scene.
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Yeah, a lot to touch on number one. I love
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just that visual them at the football field and in general.
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I love that anytime Hal wants to just be a
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dick to John, he's just going to frame it as
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I'm testing you, like you left me behind to get
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hear myself, I was testing you, like anytime he wants
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to inconvenience this this trainee, he's just gonna say that
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it was a test. I love that dynamic. I hope
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that comes back into play. But this sheriff and I
587
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.239
forget the actress's name and my apologies, but I really
588
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.960
like this character already. I feel like there is something
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00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:33.719
she is not being told.
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00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.239
Kelly McDonald playing officer Carry.
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Yeah, I feel like there's something that she's not being
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told by her husband and her husband's father, who looks
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way too young to be his dad. They seem like
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00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.039
they're not very far apart in age. That raised a
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bit of a red flag to.
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Me and his wife too, Zoe, which we'll get to.
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00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.079
But like grandma and Grandpa, these are the best looking
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gam and Grandpa's I've ever seen in my life.
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Absolutely, so that that dynamic is interesting. But she seems
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like someone who's just trying to do the right thing.
601
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And now she is tied up in are these aliens?
602
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.159
I have to deal with this green lantern and he's
603
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.840
a dick. Like So, I really like this character and
604
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I feel like we're going to enjoy her on screen
605
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as she continues on. But this interrogation scene just was
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peak to me. This was so good the way that
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how fishes out that this that this individual is indeed
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an alien by saying that his opinions on Barack Obama
609
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being just the stuff you could read in a Wikipedia.
610
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Uh, that's a man in the South, and you're not
611
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a racist. I don't want.
612
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.920
Yeah, that's the that's your opinion of Barack whosein Obama?
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I was dying like that is like he just out
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of this guy that in the Harry Potter line. I'm
615
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:55.559
like the way that he is able to say, yeah,
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of course you're going to be an expert in in
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what you say you are, but you're not going to
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memorize anything else. That was just so well done. And
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uh and then the arrogance. Uh, after he's kind of out,
620
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:08.880
it is like, hey, you don't have enough power left
621
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.760
in your ring to actually contain Uh this if I
622
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.239
suicide bomb myself and you see that little bit of
623
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.039
arrogance there show you show itself. Where's like, hell yeah,
624
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.920
I can It's everything about that scene just that was
625
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.679
my favorite part of the whole episode by far, easily.
626
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Af Who is kat mytoy? Because jam and Chad says
627
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.679
he thinks the cop is cat mytoey or maybe he
628
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:36.239
was saying that about Zoe. I'm not sure.
629
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.320
Uh, I don't you'd be saying that about Zoe. Even
630
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:51.760
that ethnicity you could actually make sense because yeah, yeah,
631
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.280
so that makes a lot of sense. If you like,
632
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.480
just do a quick Google search of who cut me
633
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twey Is, you'll see that she's a brown character or
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a brown is character. She's a green Lenten. Uh So, yeah,
635
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.360
I think that's that's a really good shout. But with
636
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:15.079
a show that's seemingly so grounded after the first episode, lock,
637
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:17.159
I don't know what happens in the nixt ones, So
638
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.960
I don't know if they're going to take a swing
639
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that big, but I'll I'll be happy if they do.
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00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.119
They ff what do you think is going on in
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this small town? There is hail in Nebraska. It sends
642
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:39.480
how immediately there we get some confirmation that there is
643
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.360
an alien that blows themselves up in this episode, and
644
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:48.159
we got Garret Dilla Hunt's character William Macon, who is
645
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:56.000
just ready with his guns with like some like I
646
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:57.400
don't even I don't think we got to dive too
647
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.760
far into it because it's like it's I think an allegory,
648
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.639
but also at the same time where it's like aliens
649
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.639
with technology could be scary. So I do get that
650
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:11.559
perspective also, but like very much like anti immigration sentiments
651
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.920
here of like, hey, we did the colonizing already, We're
652
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:20.079
not gonna get colonized again. Very like heavy handed immigration
653
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.320
allegory there. But at the same time we actually do
654
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.239
get an exploding alien and that so and so it's like, well,
655
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.400
all right, we got ourselves a little bit of a
656
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.280
problem in this in this small town. What do you
657
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:32.039
think is going down?
658
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.599
So in the train that we were teased about the
659
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:43.119
Manhunters and the man Aunts are these basically space cops
660
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:48.400
as well, but they more peacekeeping. And he actually dropped
661
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.519
a line while Hell was interrogating him, and he's like,
662
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:56.679
we basically went the opposite of peace and that's all.
663
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:03.760
So are the man Hunters basically following somebody else's didictives.
664
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.800
They is a AC in the comic book way. They
665
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:11.400
sort of joined the Sinistoko and we know that Cinesciada
666
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.920
is going to be in the show, so could you
667
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:18.039
be the one putting the stings. I'm pretty much in
668
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:19.920
the dark about where this could go. This could go
669
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.320
many ways, but I think that the alien species that
670
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.280
we saw in that first episode was probably the debut
671
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:28.719
of the Manhunters.
672
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:33.320
Which is a confusing name because I didn't know until
673
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.199
I researched it that they don't have anything to do
674
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:39.639
with Martian Manhunter. They're just also Manhunters who can shape shift,
675
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.559
so confusing, but the difference is once they shift, they
676
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.480
gotta stay that way and they're part robotic I think
677
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.400
as well, and we see that as this guy, will
678
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.719
we get a Martian Manhunter in this series. I can
679
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.320
see them doing that, just because the general public that
680
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.880
knows a little DC, like myself, who I feel like
681
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.519
I know a lot of DC, but I still haven't
682
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:10.599
heard of the man Hunters associates that name with Martian Manhunter.
683
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.280
I could see that this being a way to backdoor
684
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.519
squeeze that character in at the end of the series.
685
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.239
I think the scene that we saw in that trailer
686
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.000
with the that hed sort of cross on his back
687
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.360
that he normally weighs, and I don't think that that
688
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:28.840
was a mistake or with it was misleading. I think
689
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:33.039
we could see the marshaman and either as a cameo
690
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:34.920
or in a post creaded scene at the end. And
691
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.960
I think that that scene could be a postgradd scene.
692
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.000
I could see that as well. Where did Marsha Manhunter
693
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:44.760
get his name? Why is he a Manhunter?
694
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.840
Oh that's a good question. I don't. I don't know
695
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.760
extensive Marsha man anti law, so maybe jam would know
696
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:56.760
that that run in the chat.
697
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.800
I guess Manhunter was a car. In mid twentieth century slang,
698
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.320
manhunter was a common term for a police detective or
699
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.400
law enforcement officer who tracked down criminals, and that's what
700
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.119
his thing was. So it was basically just that he
701
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:12.639
was like a Martian cop.
702
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.400
There you go, all right.
703
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:17.960
I thought there was.
704
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.360
Gonna be more to it, But there's not confusing thing
705
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.679
to call a shape shifting group of villains when we
706
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:31.000
already got this guy. But aliad uh Mark any other
707
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.360
thoughts on the mystery we have bruin in this small town,
708
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:40.679
specifically maybe with William Macon's involvement in it. His little
709
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:47.880
jab at John nothing better than eating off another man's grill.
710
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:53.079
So he knows that John slept with his wife. Our
711
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.880
guy John Stewart, who was so militant and locked in,
712
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.360
just couldn't help but get a little something the end
713
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.840
at the end of his work day, and it's coming
714
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.760
back to bite him here. Yeah.
715
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.679
That that was so interesting because at first I didn't
716
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.719
even pick up on that, and I'm like, oh, that's right,
717
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.000
that lady like we'll find out like literally two minutes
718
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.599
earlier as his wife, and so clearly he knows. Uh.
719
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.360
This seems like some sort of the Macon family that
720
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.400
again I mentioned sketchy characters. I don't trust them. I
721
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.199
don't trust Jason Riddard, the son lawyer, I don't trust
722
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:36.320
William Senior, and I don't trust Zoe. So there's something
723
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.280
going on with these three, and there's some sort of
724
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:44.880
surveillance that they're doing over over John and how they
725
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.360
want to use them for something. I'm not sure. I
726
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.199
can't really put my you know, I can't really put
727
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.840
two and two together, but I don't trust them as
728
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.199
far as I can throw them, and I think there's something,
729
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.000
you know, something at play with them. But yeah, that
730
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:03.519
that was very That was an interesting series of scenes there.
731
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:07.400
And again, like I said, I think that the sheriff,
732
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.119
I think she's very much in the dark, possibly even
733
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.280
being used by the Macons. And she alludes to this.
734
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.039
It's like, you could get out of this right now.
735
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.440
You don't want to be in debt to this guy.
736
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.679
Like she knows that he's kind of a dangerous person,
737
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.280
but I don't think she knows the extent of it.
738
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:26.039
I love this dynamic that I've been able to have
739
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:27.840
with with both of you guys on the show where
740
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.960
I say, Mark, what did you think of this storyline
741
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.239
they're telling? And Mark kind of analyzes it from like
742
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.360
a TV storytelling standpoint, and then I go af af
743
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.159
William Macon. Is that William Hand aka the Green Lantern
744
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.960
villain the Black Hand? Or is that who we're seeing here?
745
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.760
So I was actually going to bring that up, and
746
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.280
I was going to tie to another eastig that I found.
747
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.639
So this is the scene we Johnny's walking down the
748
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.119
steep and in the background you can see a lady
749
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.559
with half of a face COVID with the black end,
750
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.800
and then in the post next to that you see
751
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.360
something called Chinese Cosmetics. The owner of Chinese Cosmetics is
752
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.639
Black Mask Sionus, so black Mask next to Black Hand,
753
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.280
and Black Hand is one of being Landon's foes in
754
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.920
the comic books, so that was also pretty interesting.
755
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.760
We also get a tease of him having an employer
756
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.960
he can't talk about. Do you think this is BS?
757
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.440
Do you think he's the guy in charge or do
758
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.239
you think there is somebody behind him? And if so,
759
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.320
who might that be?
760
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.480
I think it is PS. I think he's the one
761
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.400
that's sort of running everything, and I do think that
762
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.119
the fact that they he is something worth Black Masks
763
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.599
indirectly in that episode probably shows that they could be
764
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.800
working together on something. So I do think that he's
765
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.079
sort of the king pin of what's happening over there
766
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.599
from that standpoint. But yeah, I don't think he's any
767
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.760
reporting to anybody.
768
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.119
The biggest thing after watching the screeners that I've been
769
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.679
dying to talk about for a couple of weeks now,
770
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.159
and I've just had to keep biting my tongue holding it.
771
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:23.119
In present day, Hal Jordan's fucking dead man. How's dead?
772
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.079
How does not exist in the present day DTU at
773
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:30.480
this point, he is dead. We finished the episode flashing
774
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.199
forward everything has taken place so far in twenty sixteen.
775
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.800
We flash forward to twenty twenty six. John's got a beard,
776
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.119
but he's still looking young and sexy. He rolls up
777
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.440
to the same small town in Nebraska. He meets Officer
778
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.440
Carry once again, and there is how sitting in the
779
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.920
exact same spot at the football stadium that he had
780
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.480
been sitting in at the beginning of the episode, but
781
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.280
this time he had a bullet right in his head.
782
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:02.000
He did not have his ring. I thought it was
783
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.280
like I didn't actually catch on rewatch. I don't think
784
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.840
they show John's hands at all during this, Like I
785
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:11.639
don't think we see if John has a ring on
786
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.599
or not. Whether they didn't applied to me that he
787
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.679
doesn't just because he's driving there.
788
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.920
I didn't see it, or I think that they purposefully
789
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.599
blocked out any sort of difference to him having it.
790
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:26.719
I agree.
791
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.440
So those scenes were shot in such a way that
792
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.559
you couldn't be too sure that if he has it
793
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.360
went not, So.
794
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.639
We don't know for sure if John has one it's
795
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:40.800
kind of implied. No, because of the driving, we don't
796
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.800
know for sure. They do show Hal's hand, there's no
797
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:48.960
ring there, and what do you think happened to Hal
798
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.480
Jordan and did somebody steal the ring? Or do you
799
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.000
think the ring went off and transferred to Guy Gardner
800
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.079
at twenty twenty six and Superman essentially is the very
801
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:59.840
first time that he had had it.
802
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:04.679
I guess what is that? What the timeline like when
803
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.360
we need Superman Superman?
804
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.000
I think when theory would be set in twenty twenty five.
805
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.880
So then yeah, that which is.
806
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:14.760
Which makes me think, like I guess it couldn't have
807
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.960
gone the guy. Guy would have already had.
808
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.639
To have had one and Guy guys been have been
809
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.719
lent in for a while d by the time Superman happens.
810
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.400
Yeah, so Guy has to get a ring between twenty
811
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:32.239
sixteen and twenty twenty six, which is odd considering John
812
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.000
has already been chosen by the Guardians.
813
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.159
Yeah. Gem says in the chat that that I just
814
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.679
said in the podcast off to the show that they
815
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.840
didn't win to Guy, but that doesn't something doesn't line
816
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.039
up in or am I'm missing something?
817
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.239
Yeah? Because I guess, like because he would have already
818
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.480
had to have been dead for a long time. Then
819
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.920
there's something that's not lining up yet. Because Superman takes
820
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.599
place in twenty twenty five. This scene at the end
821
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:03.119
of the episode takes place in twenty twenty six, so
822
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:08.320
Guy already had his ring and had been for a
823
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.320
while in Superman. That would if that is Hal's ring,
824
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.599
that would then imply that Hal has been dead for
825
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:25.480
seven plus years or five plus years maybe, or I
826
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.519
lost his ring. They tried to give it to John,
827
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.079
but instead it chose someone else, went to Guy Gardner,
828
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.880
so they made John his own ring. Yeah, like that
829
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:36.880
could also be a possibility.
830
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.000
Could be, And we know that in the comics China
831
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.480
has sort of forced his own thing before, so that's
832
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:50.239
not out of the Alma possibility. If he's if they
833
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.679
didn't lift his hand in that scene, and he's been
834
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:56.400
sitting the how long, who knows how long it's been there,
835
00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:02.199
it's been snowing. The dude's bodies is property frozen. Yeah,
836
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.599
it will be interesting for them to actually just explain
837
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:09.400
that entire timeline. But Jam stated earlier in the chat
838
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.360
as well, Pedallax, and it's hard to argue with something
839
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:17.320
like that. If Aul literally went down this road of
840
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:23.519
like grief and torment and he just tried to overcome
841
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.000
that but he couldn't, then I can see something like
842
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:31.400
this happening. Him going to oh Aim basically destroying the
843
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.639
entire green landing core over the absorbing all of that
844
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.159
power and becoming Paradax. It's not out of the realm
845
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.840
of possibility. I can see that happening.
846
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.880
I absolutely could see them doing Parallax as well. And
847
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.960
then I saw I was reading some stuff about him
848
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.800
becoming Specter in the future. I can't remember who if
849
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.840
that was somebody, somebody sent me a tweeter if I
850
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.760
found that on my own. But is that the same
851
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:01.400
character that, like Oliver Queen was in the air Verse? Yes, yeah,
852
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.599
so you make compara wax, then he comes back as
853
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.480
a good guy in when they eventually do Crisis.
854
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.400
I don't think that I like that in all honesty.
855
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.840
I yeah, like I think that if they do that,
856
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.840
there's going to be a lot of push back and
857
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.039
a lot of hate towards it, because I mean, the
858
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:29.400
Specter character, they like a lot of people like that
859
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:33.440
character on its own to be the unique character. So
860
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.360
is he using existing characters for that. I don't think
861
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.159
people's really going to appreciate that, especially a character like
862
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:43.840
Al Jordan's. So yeah, that's that's just my take on
863
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:45.920
of that. I don't think I'll be on board with
864
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.239
making how Specter.
865
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.119
Mark hal Jordan bullet wounds to the head. He's got
866
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:56.639
no ring? Did Gollum steal his ring? Did it go
867
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.480
to did it go to Guy Gardner? How do you
868
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:01.239
think this uh played out?
869
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.519
Gollum would certainly be suspect number one. If I had
870
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.320
Ned Leeds spidy board something like that, for I'd be like,
871
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.719
let me, I'm picturing Mark Spidey board. He's got gall
872
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:13.559
them up there. Number one. There's just like a big
873
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.280
thing of Grimace in the corner.
874
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.280
With the tag how is he involved?
875
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:22.000
Grimace would definitely be involved that that that piece of garbage.
876
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.639
But uh no, I mean it's it's interesting. So first
877
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.159
of all, in maybe I have to rewatch Superman, Guy's
878
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.960
ring did not look similar to uh to Hal's at all.
879
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.360
I think they're they're two different rings. Maybe how maybe
880
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:41.280
Guy has How's a ring like separately at this point,
881
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.320
But the ring that Guy used in Superman it looked
882
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.679
a little bit different, so I feel like it's their
883
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:50.760
different rings. So maybe there were multiple lanterns active at
884
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.320
the same time on Earth. I'm sure that that has
885
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.880
probably happened before in the comics. May A f will
886
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.280
probably you'll speak to that. Uh So, I feel like.
887
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.599
Guy I have at once on Earth pathnant there.
888
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So maybe Guy became active during this ten year period
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and maybe something something happened to John to make him reconsider.
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Maybe he refused the ring, Maybe he took a different
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path in his life based on something that happens here,
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and maybe he just outright refused it. That would be
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my best guess. And perhaps what happens to how is
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what gets him to reconsider that that change of heart
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and Okay, I need to find this ring. I need
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to avenge my friend. Maybe this was my calling, you know,
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maybe that is the canon event to borrow from another franchise,
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that that causes him to become a Green Lantern.
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What do you think happened to Hal Jordan and what
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happened to his ring? You can let us know on
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00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.079
socials at Agents Fandom, on TikTok and Twitter, Agents of
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00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.480
Fandom everywhere else. You can also leave a comment on
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00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.239
YouTube and on Spotify. Let us know what you think
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happened to how Jordan. If you got a theory, we'll
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talk about it on next week's podcast. They have any
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other final thoughts on this episode or theories about what's
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to come that we haven't covered yet.
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No, dude, I think that they just hit it out
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of the park with this first one. I'm seated, I'm
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locked in for the season, and I think that's all
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that I wanted from this episode. I just wanted them
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to ensure that comic book fans will appreciate what they're
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going to do, even though it's being grounded and like
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I said, like out of space, it's going to be
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taking place most of the time on Earth. So the
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fact that they managed to delve all of those things
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into one nice little product, I'm all there for it, dude.
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I think Jam. I think this was Jam who like
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dropped it in a group chat earlier today when I
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was sexing him and he said that, like, he hasn't
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been this locked into a superhero TV show right off
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00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:06.079
the Hobsons and after a massive massive DC fan We've
923
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seen all these Marvel TV shows for a long time.
924
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DC's had them, but it's kind of been a while
925
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since we've gotten a live action one new. You know,
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they kind of had their heyday, then they disappeared and
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it was all the Marvel TV on Disney Plus DC
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is back. Now. How are you feeling about this first
929
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.079
episode as a fan for What's to come?
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Dude? I love it. Like it's more gritty than anything
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that Marvel or sput out, and I think that's what
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we wanted, That's what we knew we are gaining to
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get under this James Gun umbrella. So I just want
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him to sort of keep it consistent. I want him
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to be able to just keep punction down the dual
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every single episode, doing sure that the quality doesn't drop.
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Mark. Any final thoughts on the episode that you want
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to touch on that we haven't covered yet.
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Yeah, to build up off of what AF was saying,
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it's definitely grounded, and I think that Lindeloff and the
941
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other the others involved in production, I think they hit
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a great balance. Something can be kind of grittier and
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you know, a little bit darker without just being over
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the top, you know, Zack Snyder version of something that
945
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.400
is just super dark and gritty for the sake of
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00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.840
being dark and gritty, like this is an adult show basically,
947
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but it's it's not going over the top. I think
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they struck a really good balance, and I had a
949
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lot of hope for it because I loved what Linda
950
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Loof did with Watchmen, which part of me is a
951
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little fearful that he's gonna be like, oh, I don't
952
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.000
want to do more than one season of Lanterns. I
953
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only want to do one season of Watchmen. Like no, no, no, dude,
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we want to do multiple seasons of this. I already
955
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want multiple seasons of Lanterns. But we'll see. But I
956
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just I think they struck a really good balance here.
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I'd be very interested to see eventually how these characters
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from the different properties do intermingle. Because you have Superman,
959
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which is a very hopeful, light, very colorful project, and
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00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:22.079
then you have Lanterns, which is very much muted and
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and and darker. How are you know, how are those
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characters going to interact in future iterations? That'll be interesting
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to see, you mute to TJ. Mark.
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If you were to be chosen by a ring, which
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not which one would you want? Which one would find
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you between a red ring, a rage a yellow ring
967
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:56.599
for fear, a green ring for will, a blue one
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for hope, or a pink one for love.
969
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I think for me it's either between green or blue.
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I feel like it would be blue. I am a
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pretty optimistic person.
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I feel the blue too.
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I'm very hopeful by nature, so it might be blue
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for me. Yeah, it definitely. I definitely have the rage
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monkey under control. Wouldn't be red.
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Af pabout which one? Which one's finding?
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You say, I just need gams coming. I think that
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I would. I'm probably a blue guy as well. Yeah,
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I think that I'm I'm a I'm a gloss awful guy.
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I always think of the basin audio for everything, and
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my hope labels are normally quite high. So yeah, I
982
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think the blue, the blueting would would come my way.
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Jay three in chat, does he wants He's full of fear,
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he wants the yellow ring, jams toilet rings already brown
985
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from his ib s and so what color ring would
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you want again? You can let us know on socials,
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00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:02.320
you can let us know in Spotify comments, on the
988
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.480
YouTube comments. That's one of my favorite things that they
989
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.519
do in the Young Justice series Jam when the guy
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00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.000
has the blue ring and the red ring and then
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00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.920
he eventually gets the White Ring and it's all cool.
992
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:15.599
He has got both, he combines the power, he balances it.
993
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:21.840
What did you think of Lantern's Episode one? And that's
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not the only thing we're covering D twenty three. We're
995
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.199
gonna be having our show Tuesday, twelve pm Eastern Time.
996
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.719
We'll talk about the X Men cast, We'll talk about
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00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.480
Percy Jackson and the Olympians. We'll talk about the Avengers
998
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:37.360
Doomsday trailer, the new announcements from Pixar, the new announcements
999
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:41.000
from DC. We will dive into all of that, so
1000
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.559
stay tuned. Plus, we're gonna have some more shows coming
1001
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:44.800
this week. I feel like I want to do a
1002
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.800
spider Man ranking still. I want to do My Adventures
1003
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:52.719
with Superman and a Batman Kate Crusader show. And that's
1004
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.639
all before things just really really heat up for us
1005
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:00.800
with Vision Quest Avatar seven Havens Clayface that's coming as
1006
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.440
soon as the season turns the fall.
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00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:08.480
And TJ, TJ Feto and I we are doing Comic
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00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:11.559
Corner again. So we re quoted one episode last week
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and we're probably gonna keep on doing it every Thursday again.
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Heck yeah, I forgot that. I still have to drop that.
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Thank you for the reminder, so I will get on
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that asapp and then well those that's on Thursdays, Thursday mornings,
1013
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.639
so stay tuned for the comic corner. AF. Where can
1014
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:28.880
people find you? On socials before we get out of here?
1015
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And not just on socials, but plug away anything that
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00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:33.239
you're you want to plug.
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Yeah, I'm at a f podcast six four two on
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00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.960
all social media platforms and then on YouTube and Instagram.
1019
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:44.880
That's geeky a if so. Been dropping some sort of
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primers and stuff like that, reviews over on my YouTube channel,
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00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:50.239
so you can go check that out as well.
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Mark, how about you? Where can the people find you?
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And good luck this upcoming hockey season?
1024
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.519
It's about to be all hockey for me starting September.
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I can be found on Twitter at Mark Piselli thirteen.
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01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:09.079
That's pis E l L. I always talking about shows, movies, sports.
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01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:10.719
I'm always a bit of a mixed bag on They're
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01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:12.079
happy to connect with people.
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01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:18.119
All right, Thank you so much to everyone who tuned
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in today. We will see you next time on behalf
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of Myself AF and Mark Peace