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Speaker 1: Local topical fun this is afternoons with leith boris.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much mel good afternoon everybody welcome along to the show happy monday to you it is six minutes after 1 19th day of october hope you had a terrific weekend hope you've had a great monday so far start of a new week fresh week of interesting shows for you ahead plenty to comment on You can do that at any time, 8223 0000. Big show on the way for you today. We'll start very shortly by discussing what on earth is going on in France.
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Speaker 3: These protests did start off peaceful.
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Speaker 4: There were tens of thousands of people gathered in the Place de la République, but they did turn violent.
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Speaker 3: We did see protesters.
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Speaker 4: clashing with police.
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Speaker 3: We've seen plenty of.
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Speaker 4: Buildings today looted, smashed windows and doors. It's not just isolated to the French capital here. We have seen these protests really widespread across much other parts of the country in some of the major towns and cities. But there has been a significant day of action here in the heart of Paris.
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about what's happening right now in France, and we'll find out if it's just fear-mongering and political point-scoring. Or is there any chance that we could see similar type protests and behaviours here in Australia? Because Barnaby Joyce thinks so.
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Speaker 1: Quite obviously what we see in France is people who don't like France.
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Speaker 5: In fact, they want to burn France down.
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Speaker 6: And we can see that sort of fracturous environment, not only in France, but in other countries as well.
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Speaker 7: When you don't have.
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Speaker 1: When you're not, you know, basically have common sense in who you import into Australia.
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Speaker 7: you're going to import problems.
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Speaker 2: So we'll find out if that is real or not. We'll speak to an expert on France very shortly. Mike Smithson returns. He will join us with the very latest in state politics. I know an in daily. He has done a six-month report card on the government, so we'll speak to Smitho about that. We'll talk this afternoon about training the next generation of early childhood educators in the care sector. Such an important role when you're guiding through the next generations. Dr Derek McNair will be here to answer all of your pet questions that you might have. If everything is well at home with the dogs and the cats, we want to hear about it on the show this afternoon. The Minister for Domestic, Family and Sexual Violence will be joining us live in the studio this afternoon. There is a new network that has been created giving children and young people a direct say when it comes to reform, which is certainly needed because sadly the younger voices are the ones that are often overlooked. So we'll speak to the Minister about that. On a musical front, Amber Joy Poulton will join us. She has a new show coming soon. It's called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. It's the music of Linda Ronstadt and Tammy Wynette. Olivia Newton-John and Shania Twain. So Amber will be here for a chat and a tune. I believe she's bringing in the guitar, which will be fun. And our afternoon delight today. $ 50 voucher to Quincy's could be yours this afternoon. I would love to hear today between now and four, your highlight of the weekend. Big or small, it does not matter. Something that brought you joy over the weekend. Now, maybe you might have ventured out. There was lots on across the weekend. Cheese Fest and the Lucky Dumpling Market, the Phil Hoppin Travel Expo, Beta Birdwood, hundreds if not thousands of people at all of those across the weekend. Maybe you heard something on 5AA that tickled your fancy. You can talk about that. Something closer to home, perhaps. New show that you're watching you want to recommend to people. Maybe it's a movie you saw across the weekend. You can let us know, 8223 0000 for our afternoon delight. For me, it was a little bit of a tie. Had a great weekend. Friday night, we had a quiz night supporting the Little Heroes Foundation with disability providers, Jupiter Supports and My Mind Matters. It was at the Cecilia Club in Klemzig, which is an excellent location. And I just have to say that the staff there are superb. And what I found out on the night is they're all big fans of the show. So a very big hello to Josie and Maria and Pam and Graz and Marco. They all said, make sure you say hello. So I'm doing that. They were excellent. We look forward already to next year, which is about this time next year. So thank you, Cecilia Club in Clemson for your hospitality. That was terrific. And then we backed that up on Saturday night and my lovely wife and I got to sit with 6,000 of South Australia's finest, at the entertainment centre for the Heinle Street Country Club. What a show that was. What a night it was. Extraordinary when you think this is an Adelaide band playing covers who started pretty much during COVID for something to do, and they are now selling out the biggest venue in this city. Lots of love in the room too for them. And a number of 5AA people were there. Heaps of people came up and said hello, which was great. So if you have not seen them before live, you can do that too because they also... announced on the night that their next concert will be around this time next year. So I can guarantee it. If you love classical music, not classical in the Beethoven sense, but just songs that are classics, they do them all in a good two and a half hour set. And they sound exactly, if not better than the original. So Hindley Street Country Club, if you went, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that this afternoon as well. Lots on the show to get to. 8223 0000. 044-808-1395, or you can send me a text. Next, we find out what is happening in France.
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Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leap Forest.
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Speaker 2: We will not yield.
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Speaker 3: Listening and dialogue do not mean weakness or impunity.
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Speaker 7: I express the nation's support for our law enforcement and internal security forces. They have held their ground and done their best.
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Speaker 8: Our thoughts are with the many injured and their families.
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Speaker 2: So what is happening in France? Why the widespread nationwide protests? Why the civil unrest? Why the 800,000-plus on the streets, many of those, violent, looting? Let's try and find out. Let's speak to an expert. Dr Stephen Alomes is the Adjunct Associate Professor at the Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation at Deakin University. He joins me this afternoon. Dr Alomes, thanks for your time. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 9: Thank you, Dave.
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Speaker 2: Is it a simple answer what's happening in France right now?
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Speaker 9: I think there is no simple answer. No one quite knows. Let's put the bits together. Number one, the student protests which have gone on for several weeks. high school students, university students complaining about the physical condition of their classrooms, the shortage of teachers, the non-replacement of absent teachers. So that was the main thing. And if you look up Facebook, you'll see lots of people getting into a state about whether it's safe to walk along the streets. The original advice I gave people was you just start walking on the street by the high school where there are some demonstrations. So that That was the simple story. We've gone on for several weeks and we've had similar protests in Belgium, in Italy and Portugal as well. And in Albania, there's completely different protests about a corrupt government. So then we move on to the weekend. The biggest protest in France since May 1968, where a kind of revolution of the streets effectively drove Charles de Gaulle out of power. And look, The thing is that the French like public protests. They like picketing. They like street obstructions. The farmers have also done it as well. They put their tractors and other things to block the streets. So what's going on? If we go back to a few years ago, the yellow vests, that was another protest of people who were under pressure economics. And it also began, interestingly enough, with the cost of fuel. You've got the problem in France and other Western countries, inflation, rising prices, rising cost of housing. And the government, of course, has got this massive debt. The French debt, I think, is 120%. National debt is 120% of GDP. The Australian debt is about 60%. So the government has been trying to save money in various places, but it's not doing provided things, as in the whole Western world, isn't making life more affordable for everyone. There's no easy solution to that. It's trying to lower the pension retirement age. I think the French pension retirement age is somewhere in the mid-60s, whereas Australia and many other countries, it's somewhere in the low 60s. You can get the pension in the low 60s. If you're a teacher or a police or a fireman, I think you used to be able to get the pension about $ 50. So basically, like all Western countries, the world has become more expensive. Everything has become less affordable. So what we actually have, we have an actual organized general protest at the weekend, which was much, much bigger and much more aggressive than the student protests. But the question is, how do we get to the other end of that protest, which is the violence and the aggression? It's... It's very hard to know. I mean, some people just think, well, there's a wild protest in the streets, I'll break into a fancy shoe shop or a fancy jewelry shop. shop and steal a few things. So you've got the edge of the protest, which is the minority, but extremely violent and also looting. You've also got the police, who some of the time are fine, other times they're throwing things, grenades at the protesters and one got hit in the chin. Another one lost an eye. Another one, I think, had their hand blown off. So the Macron government is a kind of middling government, sort of centre-right, centre-left. It has not been able to solve the economic problems of France, which have been around now for quite a few years. It hasn't been able to make life more affordable, hasn't been able to lower housing. That sounds pretty familiar, but most countries in the Western world are exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 10: Yes.
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Speaker 9: And we've got an election coming up in next Northern Spring. On the far right, you've got Marine Le Pen of the National Front. They've got a new name, but it's always called the National Front. And on the far left, you've got a man called Jean-Luc Mélenchon. He runs an organisation called France Unbowed. We won't bow to what they're telling us we've got to do. And Macron is in the middle. He hasn't got a natural successor at the moment. So I think in terms of analysis, the analysis is actually very, very similar to the mess on the streets. It's horrifically messy. There's no simple explanation. And it may, of course, the protests may disappear. October and May tend to be two of the protesting seasons in France. Again, it is a French tradition.
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Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 9: So in one sense, it's not a big deal to be out on the streets, but it is a big deal to be burning cars and looting shops. So I don't think I've answered your question.
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Speaker 2: No, I know you have. I mean, you've added so much to it. Do you see the information and then the misinformation, the news reporting on this too? It's interesting to see other groups now take on this. Like I've seen reporting across the weekend, Stephen, where they are suggesting that these are immigrant-led protests. and it's all about the overtaking of France. Again, do we know enough to know, is there an element to that? Are these just people who are hijacking normally?
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Speaker 9: I think it's hijacked. I'm often in France around May, and I'll sometimes go and have a look at the big May Day demonstration, which is the traditional Labor Day. And there's some immigrants because France is a, is a multicultural and diverse society. But basically, they're the mainstream of French society. And they found that Macron was a sort of theatrical character, charming, in a bit sort of Tony Blair in style. He hasn't delivered any solutions. He's like a lot of heads of government. It's much easier to focus on them. complexities of Ukraine than it is to solve the economic problems. And also France's debt is higher than the European Union wants to allow. As you remember, I think they really screwed Greece years ago because their debt was far too high. So given the debt and the government is trying to reduce the debt, it's not in a position where it can suddenly put a lot of money into schools and social welfare and housing and things like that. So It is indeed a mess, and there is no simple explanation except to say it's a mess which the government can't solve. Now, the probable result we're looking at at the moment is that Marine Le Pen will win the presidential election. The French presidential election has two tranches. There's the first one, and if you haven't got 50% in the first one, there's a second kind of runoff between the top two people. And the same as the rise of Pauline Hanson here. If you look at Pauline Hanson, 30 years in Parliament, achieved absolutely nothing except a few stunts, like the one video stump of, you see this, I've been killed, and another stunt in a book. Achieved absolutely nothing, but has become massively popular. Trump himself is a great theatrical performer who's on the side for people, although on the whole he tends to be more on the side of the, the California IT billionaires and his mates in property. So look, it's very, very hard to know what's happening. Even if you look across the channel at Britain, why did Britain vote for Brexit for getting out of Europe? It voted for getting out of Europe because it decided that life was becoming unaffordable and it blamed the elites. It didn't really blame, it basically blamed the elites in London, not the Europeans. So look, they're There is this intractable problem across the Western world.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 9: We have rising inequality, rising lack of affordability of housing. You look even at Spain. Spain, the government is having an election because they tried to bring in legislation to stop people being an older lady in her 80s being kicked out of the flat. That legislation didn't get through. That lady subsequently died. So across the Western world, you've got inequality. affordability of housing, lack of government money for social services, governments trying to cut budgets, not increase them. And funnily enough, Australia, which I think, as I said, got probably about 50%, 50% to 60% of GDP as national debt. We're actually in a very good position compared to everyone else, but I don't think you would find a young person trying to cope with increased rent or trying to buy a house would necessarily agree with that.
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Speaker 11: No.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Alombs is my guest, Dr Stephen Alombs from Deakin University Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation. So we're hearing the message, Stephen, that if we're not careful, this will happen to Australia. Any accuracy to that, or is that just fear-mongering?
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Speaker 9: I think there's a degree of accuracy. I don't think we'll see the violence in the streets, but I think we may see, as Marine Le Pen, Marine Le Pen has easily been defeated in other elections because the other party's won't deal with her. And similarly, the similar party in Germany, the Alternative for Deutschland, the right-wing party there, the other parties won't deal with them. So she's been defeated before, but we now see her as if she gets through her legal troubles because she's been scrutinized for legal problems of getting donations from outside of misusing donations. She is a likely winner. Now, in the same situation, Although Pauline Hanson is unlikely to form government in any state or federally, she is likely to be a significant player in the future. And a party is likely to win lots of seats. But as I said, in 30 years, she's done absolutely nothing. So I'm a little perplexed at the sudden appeal of the Orange Party.
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Speaker 2: So final question, and this is a first world problem, Stephen, because we see what's going on in France and the video is quite harrowing and you feel for shopkeepers who are getting caught up in this and tourists that are getting caught up in this. France is a beautiful spot for Australians to visit. We have a couple of employees here in our building who are meant to be in France in four or five or six weeks, sort of for that winter, sort of Christmas period. Do you sense that it'll be over by then or are we suggesting that there still might be issues in Paris and Marseille and Lyon going forward, kind of come Christmas time? Will this damage the tourism dollar?
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Speaker 9: Well, I saw one report this morning that suggested something or other might be happening on November the 5th. But look, generally, we only had actually one significant day, a horrific day, no doubt about that. You know, the burning of the town hall at Limoges and the tourist office in Leon, et cetera. But we only had one significant day so far. And as I said, October is a major protest month. I mean, it's partly the weather's a little bit milder. I think it's highly unlikely that there will be any dramatic events like this, except perhaps on November the 5th. Because once you move into winter, it's a bit like wars. The army's used to only fight wars in the summer. And the protest season particularly likes, I think, autumn and spring. And I don't think I don't think I'll have anything to worry about. But as I said, if you cross the road from Raidpool Bleak, there could be a demonstration there. And you could make a simple choice, which I made once. I just left the area because someone pointed out that eventually the tear gas might appear. So I watched the rest of the demo on television from my flat, which was nearby. So I don't think they'll have any problems, but I would advise them against reading too much Facebook and watching too much of the 6pm news, because that basically emphasises the most dramatic conflicts.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate your insight this afternoon. Fascinating. Thanks so much, Stephen.
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Speaker 9: A great pleasure, Lee.
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Speaker 2: All the best. Dr Stephen Alombs, Adjunct Associate Professor, the Institute of Citizenship and Globalisation there at Deakin University. just letting us know, as messy as it is, what's happening in France at the moment. Anywhere from 600,000 to 800,000 people, they're suggesting, who have been demonstrating across the French cities. Majority are peaceful, but as we saw across the weekend, groups hijacking the demonstrations, setting fire to buildings, looting shops, smashing and destroying government structures. There was somewhere between 1,800 and 2,000 arrests, we believe, interplayed. officers, all of that and more. President Emmanuel Macron with some work to do. We'll take a short break. 8223 0000, my number.
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Speaker 3: French people cannot live properly.
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Speaker 11: Everything, like, you know, concerning cars and, like, the gas oil and stuff, it's so pricey.
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Speaker 3: And French people.
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Speaker 12: Cannot live even with two incomes in one single home.
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Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mel. A bit of feedback on the situation in France. Adam said, Leith, they are far less extremists. Oh, 800,000 of them, Adam. Not sure about that, but thank you. Sam said, Trump warned the UN about the out-of-control measures Immigration in Europe, people like you laughly see the result when migrants don't share the same values. Stop getting guests on to explain differently. It's not about education economics. Thank you, Sam. Disagreeing with the professor. On the flip side, Emily said this happens with all protests. Other random groups attach themselves, dilute the original message that then causes mass destruction and confusion, and it inspires detractors to blame the left or other outsiders. Robert said, I don't believe One Nation will form government, but I do believe they're forcing the majors to talk about and make firm policies on things they might not want to address and leave it in the too hard basket. And even a text from the great John Blake, who said, Blake, he says, what is Pauline Hanson supposed to do? She's not in government. The professor was annoying. Blakey, thank you. Well, I think the professor was saying, this is what I took away from it, in that Pauline's almost like default popularity. in that she hasn't really achieved anything during her time. It's more just good timing that she's popular now when everyone's unhappy with the status quo. That's kind of what I took from that. So maybe Marie Le Pen is in a similar boat. We'll wait and see. It looks like she's going to be successful going forward. Pauline, so thank you, though, for listening, Blakey. Good to hear from you. 27 to 2.
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Speaker 13: The latest in state politics with Mike Smithson.
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Speaker 2: He's back. Channel 7's InDaily's Mike Smithson. Welcome, Smitho.
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Speaker 5: Thanks very much, Lee. It's great to be with you.
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Speaker 2: It's always nice to have you on. You wrote an article in InDaily I was just reading during the ad break. We'll get to that in terms of your six-month report card. Can we start with the Premier, though? There's a bit of a fast track when it comes to apprenticeships.
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Speaker 5: Yes, the Premier was out today. He loves going to building sites in his high-vis gear. Today he went to one of the new high-rises being built in Bowdoin. I can actually see it from where I'm sitting, so... We didn't have to go far, you might have to say. A bit of a trial climbing five storeys to get to the top of the building. There were no lifts operating, but essentially he was there with a whole group of others, including master builders, and they had a former power player, Jed McKenty, on board. He's now an apprentice chippy after leaving the power, playing for Sturt now, of course. But the fast-tracking apprenticeships in a bid to... Solve our dire worker, skilled worker shortage. So those apprenticeships, instead of doing a four-year apprenticeship, you squeeze it into three. So in your fourth year, you're out earning the big money. And we know apprentices, trades can earn colossal amounts of money if they put the hard work in. So I'll just turn the phone down. It's the Premier's office calling me. Don't they know I'm on 5AA? I just don't believe that.
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Speaker 2: That's a bit rude.
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Speaker 5: They'll be told off. So anyway, three-year apprenticeships. But then the question comes down to, are they still going to be qualified enough? Are they going to be skilled enough doing their apprenticeships? I'm thinking electricians in particular and plumbers, but sparkies in particular. You want them to go through the right training. and you want them to know as much as they should know, but now you're giving them a year less to do it, to entice more people into apprenticeships. Now, it's a bit of a double-edged sword because if you've got the right people doing them and are motivated enough, well, then you'll get your talent through that. The cream will always rise to the top, whether it be over three years or four years. So that's an interesting one. which the master builders tended to, or they didn't deny the fact that some people still will need to take four years to do it. So this pilot program, I think it's on the right track. If it's enough to get kids in school thinking, well, I don't have to wait around quite as long to earn the big bucks, they might jump into it. And you can do it through a secondary or through a vocational educational training college program. or you can do it on site. So I think we need something like, I think it's 179,000, 170,000 new people in the workforce by 2030. That's to cope, obviously, with the tunnels, the new hospital, the AUKUS program, the massive house building program we've got. So we definitely need the workforce. Is this enough to get them there? Let's hope it is.
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Speaker 2: I just worry about rushing it, Smitho. To quote a tradie, measure twice, cut once. You don't want to rush it too fast that corners are cut.
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Speaker 5: No, you don't want to do that. I tend to do it the other way around. I just cut and then wish I'd measured twice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 5: That's what I tend to do.
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Speaker 2: I get the urgency, but.
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Speaker 5: Well, and look, it's a good point. And it was put to the Premier and to... master builders today and they said, well, look, some won't make the grade. So I think there'll still be a fair amount of scrutiny on the people who are doing the apprenticeships to get to the tick all the boxes before they leave. But you just think you want an electrician who comes out of their apprenticeship fully qualified and knowing everything for their own safety and for yours.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, speak to anyone who's had a tradie that's done them over.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: They won't be happy with an even shorter apprenticeship going forward. All right, we'll watch that with interest. What was the political stunt that fell flat in Parliament?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this one, I was a little bit critical of the Liberal Party, and I expressed it to two members of their media team that tried to set up, well, they said they were going to set up a stunt where Ben Hood, who's the chair of the Budget and Finance Committee, and they had the big heavy hitters from SA Water there today, and we were tipped off early that, There is a complainant somewhere in the Mid-North who wants to remain anonymous, but they said the water quality at their house is so bad, they've contacted SA Water and claimed that they've been virtually given the brush off, that SA Water says the water quality is fine. So they had the heavy hitters there today, and Ben Hood, who's the chair of the committee, was going to, and he did produce a bottle of the water from, unbeknown to the SA Water people, from the from the tap of the complainant in the mid north somewhere and it didn't look all that appetizing and had a bit of a yellow tinge but then they were going to try and set up SA water which they did of all the checks and balances being done SA water said well there's no reason that we've got to complain so he's going to hand him the bottle or pour him a glass of water and say well if you're so confident of your water you drink it now no one in their right mind would have drunk it but then they chickened out at the last minute they produced the water and There was no attempt to entice the member of SA Water. We went along. I wanted to see how this was going to end up. You're not under parliamentary rules and regulations. You're not allowed to perform stunts, visual stunts in parliament. Plenty try and some succeed and some are reprimanded. But I think Ben Hood being the chair of the committee, perhaps he thought he might lose his chairmanship position as a result of pulling a stunt and therefore lose the 30 grand that goes with being chair of the committee each year. But I said to the Liberals, if you're going to do it, do it.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 5: Don't make a big song and dance about what you're going to do and then chicken out at the last minute. So don't watch tonight thinking you'll see this stunt because it ain't going to appear. I said, you've just... Instead of there being a story, there is no story in this whatsoever. And there might have been one.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that the, I want to say, Flint, Michigan, or it might have been an Aaron Brockovich type? That was, I think that was done 20 years ago, was it not? Where they brought the dirty water in and said, all right, you drink this. Always happens too with, what do you call it? You know, when they recycle the water at the diesel plants and stuff.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the mere look of this water, I thought this is going beautifully. Because the SA water has said that there is nothing to... to confirm or even point towards substandard water with whatever is in it. And here's the water from the tap of the complainant. And then... They didn't do it. They didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: No, that's not right. Come on, Ben.
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Speaker 5: It's not the way you or I do it. No, we would have... You always love a good start.
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Speaker 2: Correct, you would have done... So they get in trouble. So we know Pauline, obviously, in the burqa, and Sarah Hansen-Young brought in a fish recently. So you're not allowed to do stunts?
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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no. No, that's... The rules are very strict and the punishment can be... Look, at the end of the day, technically, it could be there is a vote of no confidence in the chair of the committee. If he brought the stunt on and if the votes go against him, he's chucked out. So it's only a small committee, maybe, I think, eight members, nine members. So, yeah, that was a bit of a letdown for the day, at least, I'd have to say.
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe your feedback will get back to them and he might try again.
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Speaker 5: Well, I did warn them... that maybe this would be discussed.
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Speaker 2: Excellent. Now, speaking of, like a good school teacher, you've given out a report card. If we go to InDaily or if you get the email sent to your inbox, the Mike Smithson six-month report card.
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Speaker 5: Yes, I thought an interesting time... given the record majority that Peter Malinowskis and Labour had, their 34 seats to get into a 47-seat parliament, they have an absolute majority in the lower house, not the upper house. But it's a mandate for the Premier to do whatever he wants. He was already in the midst of live golf, and the MotoGP was ticking along. Well, you would have to say that with that, throw in Wyala, a couple of other issues, RAH.
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Speaker 5: Hospital ramping in general, it hasn't been the finest six months of a new term. Now, I think probably his first term went so smoothly and he had all the good ideas that the second term was always going to be harder, but I think the first six months has been much tougher than he would have thought. I think the opposition, even in its reduced numbers, and don't forget Ashton Hearn is very pregnant at the moment, having... her second child, Adam and her, having their second child around about Christmas time. But I think the government, I think the Premier has, how can I put it? I think he's lost a little bit of his mojo in terms of, certainly in terms of live golf. In fact, I'm doing a piece tonight on make up your own mind. on his enthusiasm, should we say, towards Live Golf and the new North Adelaide Golf Course. I thought it was a little lacking today, to be honest, which I'm doing as an opinion piece on our news tonight. So make up your own mind whether you.
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Speaker 2: Think his body language and.
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Speaker 5: His tone is not quite what it used to be when it comes to that matter.
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Speaker 2: I would say, I think you're right. I say first term, in a cricketing analogy, he was line and length. He couldn't miss. I think you're right. I think the radar's a little off. There's a couple going down a leg side, and you're right, it's the trees, it's the MotoGP, it's the golf course.
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Speaker 5: It's why all of a sudden the blast furnace shut and the jobs here that seem, you know, people getting paid their entitlements, all of that. It's been a difficult, more difficult than he would have thought it would be. He's got three and a half years to turn it around, obviously, and they're smart operators. But I think the Liberal opposition, as I've said, you know, they could, they barely need a minibus to have a good night out on the town because there's so few of them. But I think in some ways a smaller target, a smaller team, there is sometimes less discontent. Everyone's busy up to their eyeballs. It's a good way to be. You don't want backbenchers sitting in there thinking, well, we'll never get our turn in Cabinet. So that's one aspect of it. And I think the Liberal team have got enough members to take the fight up to the government. So Blair Boyer from the Labour Party is usually put out as their attack dog. Is this a cue that, yes, he's going to be the next leader of the party? I think it probably is. But there are all sorts of little intricacies that I've gone into in this in-daily piece today. So I suggest everyone read it and you'll see where I'm coming from.
00:33:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like it. So even I would say, you know, the Premier's still bowling well enough that he's staying in the attack, but you're right, the radar's off a little bit. I am interested, without giving too much of your article away, so Blair Boy's an interesting one because he gets shoved into health, which you think is like the chalice, right? And now, of course, what's happening with the golf course and the trees and the MotoGP, et cetera. So he's the one, do you think he's leapfrogged the Attorney-General, for example, someone like that who potentially down the track could be a Labour leader?
00:33:42
Speaker 5: Well, unless Kai Ma moves to the lower house, because he's in the Legislative Council, where you can't be the leader of the party. You are in the upper house, but the Premier is always in the lower house. As I've said, I think Kai Ma, he does a good job. It's unspectacular. But Blair Boyer, it's barely a day that you don't see him on TV or hear him on the radio. and he's put out to answer a lot of questions often on his days off on weekends that he's the one that comes up. As I say, I don't know if it's an initiation or what it is, but he's certainly taken over what Tom Coutts and Tonus, his role used to be. So, Tom, you know, you wouldn't think, you'd think going forward if, and I'm saying a big if, the Premier continues another term and another term and plays his time out in South Australia, which I think is increasingly unlikely, who would be the next Labour leader. But they're putting Lucy Hood up a lot to talk about things as well. So she's from the right faction and Blair is from the left and it's usually the right that wins leadership positions. But at the end of the day, it's the best person for the job, as Jay Weatherill discovered when he was with Labour. He was from the left and was backed by the right to... to take over from Mike Grant.
00:35:06
Speaker 2: So less attack dog work for Tom Coutts and Tonus?
00:35:09
Speaker 5: I think there is. Well, he hasn't got time. You know, if you're the treasurer of a state like ours, you're never running out of things to do, are you?
00:35:16
Speaker 2: No, that's true. Hey, Robert has a question for you before you go. Stunts were Nick Xenophon's stock trade, Smitho. So I guess you can do stunts, you just don't do it in chamber.
00:35:26
Speaker 11: That's right.
00:35:27
Speaker 5: You do it on the steps, you do it somewhere else. To do it actually in Parliament, their standing orders are.
00:35:34
Speaker 5: Pretty strict on that. But no, Nick Xenophon is 100% correct. I remember he did one stunt about politicians being on the gravy train and getting perks, you know, cheap cars, cheap airfares, cheap whatever. And he did this stunt at the top of Parliament. It must have been a really hot day because he was sweating profusely. And he had a Thomas the Tank Engine... a toy one that was going around, you know, not just a really mini one, but one that, you know, you couldn't sit on, but it was getting to that size. And as he was doing his press conference, the train was in the background. I could see it going faster and faster around this circular track and eventually derailed and spilled all over him. He was standing on the steps and I thought, well, is that a metaphor for.
00:36:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:36:25
Speaker 5: You know, is that what he's trying to get across, that the wheels are going to fall off, that's coming off the tracks, the Polly's Perks of the day?
00:36:32
Speaker 2: He always made great content, didn't he? And Fred says, if the snake dies at the head, it will slowly die. I guess that's on the Premier. Do we sense it? Is it a Premier issue or right across the board, do you think, in terms of the Labor Party, or is it just a couple of misses with the trees and the golf?
00:36:47
Speaker 5: Oh, look, I think he miscued on what the public reaction was going to be. But today, even as recently as this morning... on immigration because he wants to get more skilled workers, immigrant workers into the state.
00:37:02
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:37:03
Speaker 5: And he said he doesn't mind rubbing politicians, you know, those above him up the wrong way when it comes to migration. I said, does that include the prime minister? Which he basically said, yes, it does. He said, I'll say whatever I want. So, you know, to me, everything is a slight signal of where his intentions are headed.
00:37:22
Speaker 2: Set the alarm, 6pm tonight, 7 News. You can see Smitho's opinion piece there and indaily.com.au for the six-month report card. Smitho, great to have you on. Thank you. Enjoy your week. We'll speak to you next Monday.
00:37:34
Speaker 5: Thanks very much, Lee.
00:37:35
Speaker 2: Mike Smithson, my guest at 12 to 2.
00:37:38
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Lee Forrest.
00:37:42
Speaker 2: Seven minutes to two. 8223 0000 is the number if you'd like to join us. Lots of text coming through. 044-808-1395. After the 2 o'clock news, we're going to talk all about training the next generation of early childhood educators in the care sector, and we'll also catch up with Dr Derek. Rosie thinks that Smitho's always out there doing his bit, just stirring the pot when it comes to the Labor Party. Thank you, Rosie. I think that's the job, though, government of the day, to get stuck in where it can be. It's an interesting read, though. Is Blair Boyer the heir apparent, do you think? to the Premier? Should he make way or head to Canberra? Lucy Hood? Other viable options? You might have a thought on that. Pam from Fulham Gardens. Hello, Pam.
00:38:29
Speaker 8: Hello, Lee. How are you?
00:38:31
Speaker 2: Good, thank you.
00:38:32
Speaker 8: I just rang to say the highlight of my weekend was Friday night, the fundraiser for the Little Heroes Foundation.
00:38:39
Speaker 16: Great cause.
00:38:40
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:38:40
Speaker 8: And thank you so much for being there.
00:38:42
Speaker 2: My pleasure.
00:38:44
Speaker 8: We had a wonderful time, us girls, helping out. As you mentioned, we're part of the Sicilia Club.
00:38:51
Speaker 10: Yes.
00:38:52
Speaker 8: Absolutely beautiful club, and we hope to see you guys there next year again. So thank you so much for that.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Oh, my pleasure. Thank you for calling in, Pam. So obviously, because it's not my part of Adelaide, I haven't been out that way.
00:39:05
Speaker 8: Oh, you need to venture out.
00:39:07
Speaker 2: I know. Well, this is my second time after we did the quiz night last year too, but what you and your team do was amazing.
00:39:14
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm part of the team. There are people who do a lot more than I do. I'm actually a volunteer for them. Most of them are in the committee themselves. Yeah, but we absolutely... Yeah, it's hard work, but in the end, we do enjoy the social aspect of it, which is what it's all about. So thank you so much.
00:39:35
Speaker 2: Oh, my pleasure.
00:39:36
Speaker 8: Thank you to all those wonderful people that came to support us.
00:39:39
Speaker 2: It was a fun night, wasn't it? First and foremost, your food spread was incredible from the end to the pasta, to there was the cakes, there was Marco was making me coffees that I don't drink, like the hospitality was amazing.
00:39:52
Speaker 8: Yes, wonderful. Everybody was absolutely wonderful and yeah, we quite enjoyed it. So thank you again.
00:39:58
Speaker 2: My pleasure.
00:39:59
Speaker 8: And, yeah, please do come and visit us at another event.
00:40:04
Speaker 2: Well, I know you've got a lot on because you do not just charity events. I remember last year there's also sort of dinner dances and all sorts.
00:40:12
Speaker 8: Well, this Saturday night we have our gala night, our Sicilian night. So that's where we are going to be preparing from Wednesday on to Friday for our traditional Sicilian goodies. So we'd like everybody to come along and just enjoy. It's going to be a wonderful, wonderful night.
00:40:31
Speaker 2: OG Rogue, Klemzig, the Sicilian club. That's it.
00:40:34
Speaker 17: Yes.
00:40:35
Speaker 2: Well done.
00:40:35
Speaker 8: And we are a licensed club.
00:40:37
Speaker 2: Lovely to see you, Pam. Thank you for your hospitality and your nice words and for the Italian lessons too at the end of the night. That was interesting. I'll take those with me. Good on you, Pam. Thank you. Thank you.
00:40:49
Speaker 11: Okay, bye.
00:40:50
Speaker 2: You're in the running for the afternoon delight, the Quincy's $ 50 voucher. We'll take those throughout the show. What was your highlight of your weekend, big or small? If you want to let me know, 8223 0000. Jerry's got in early too. He said, Leith, I love the Hindley Street Country Club. He was there on the weekend, saw the band, got some merch, booked tickets already for next year. Proud of them. Absolutely love the concert. Glad that you liked it too. Thank you, Jerry. Rob has sent in a photo. A morning walk on the beach with his little dog was the absolute highlight of his weekend. Thank you, Rob. He said it's the best way to start the weekend. Graham from Millicent said, Lee, thank you for the Highland Street Country Club interview last week with Jordan. Listen to them every opportunity today. I am on the tractor with the group's songs playing in the tractor. Thank you, Graham, for that. Well done. We want your afternoon delights, thing that brought you joy across the weekend, big or small, 8223 0000. Would love to hear. We're going to take a short break. Mel Asher, as I mentioned, has got the 2 o'clock news for us. And lots still to come. You can join us any time. Call, text or email.
00:42:01
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
00:42:04
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mel. Four minutes after 2, we're on the way this Monday afternoon. Dr Derek McNair will be here from the Norwood Parade Vet Clinic. That'll be shortly. He'll answer all of your questions regarding your dogs and your cats, any pet issues that you might have. We'll also check in with the Weather Bureau. Some rain on the way. this week after a mildish start to your Monday. Time, though, to talk about early childhood educators. My guest this afternoon, Michael French, is the Managing Director of ELC Training Australia, which is a South Australian registered training organisation, which is all about practical workplace training for early childhood education and care. He joins me this afternoon. Michael, lovely to have you on. Thank you for being here.
00:42:47
Speaker 13: Thank you for having me.
00:42:48
Speaker 2: In a nutshell... Tell us about ELC, the training. What do you do?
00:42:55
Speaker 13: So ELC training, we developed it as early childhood operators, so we run a number of early learning centres, have done for 20-odd years.
00:43:03
Speaker 2: Yep.
00:43:04
Speaker 13: And we were frustrated by the quality of training where we were getting job applicants whose quality of training was degrading over time, their practical skills, and we Frustrated by that to the point that we said, well, we need to redo this ourselves and redesign the model, which had moved more to virtual training, online training, and so on and so forth, to practical skills in the workplace, where if you think about learning how to work with a baby and change the nappy, if you learn in a classroom changing a doll's nappy, that is an experience. However, that is a very different experience to when you've got a live wriggling baby on the countertop.
00:43:48
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:43:48
Speaker 13: Who you're trying to actually engage with and develop a relationship with and talk them through a procedure that's going to be calm and welcoming for them.
00:43:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we'll get to that. I guess that's the interesting conversation, isn't it? Learning virtually versus learning in real time, like in real, which kind of I know that's where technology is going, but you would think there are some professions that would be much better hands-on, which is what you're all about because you're training and students and the partner centres. It's all about getting these job-ready educators, isn't it? So they're ready to go turnkey, go with all the skills that they need in real-world practice. Before we sort of break down a bit more on that, first and foremost, congratulations. You were South Australian Training Awards Small Trainee Provider of the Year. Nice going.
00:44:33
Speaker 13: Yes, thank you.
00:44:33
Speaker 7: That was.
00:44:35
Speaker 13: Really validating for us as an organisation. We took an idea a few years ago of what we thought needed to be done for our own services and so forth. Over a number of years to see that bear fruit and mature and go well beyond our own services now and really start to impact, particularly regionally, where we've been able to fill a gap, if you like, where regional communities can we're really struggling with the absence of in-person training.
00:45:05
Speaker 5: Yes.
00:45:06
Speaker 13: Where our model is focused on in-person in the workplace. So we brought that back to them. So it was really a great validation of all of that and all the hard work of our team to take that small idea and say, right, this is what we'll do and.
00:45:20
Speaker 11: It will work.
00:45:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that. So you would, I mean, I wonder what it means for you and the team. Like it's great acknowledgement and that's why these kind of, because awards are awards, but they do matter when you know you're on the right path, I guess. Yeah, they do.
00:45:32
Speaker 13: And it's important for everyone to feel like, well, yes, we think we're doing a great job and so on and so forth. But to get that recognition from your industry and from others, you know, our submission for the award required a whole lot of independent parties to support us and so forth. And not one said, no, we don't want to give you any sort of support. And the letters that came through to back us up was quite fascinating. amazing for us. And even more so, once we did win the award, to get just unsolicited messages from previous employees that we've worked with out of the blue saying, oh, look, that's fantastic. We know you've had this and been trying to do it for so long and, you know, well done to you. It really gives you that lift to go, yes, we need to keep moving with this, rather than kind of going, oh, it's just all too hard. So it's amazing for the whole team.
00:46:33
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to you on that. Let's talk about why your training is different to others. You touched on it in terms of the technology side, but ELC Training Australia. So the training is different.
00:46:42
Speaker 7: Why?
00:46:42
Speaker 2: What have you found that you do works better than maybe others? And hence why you've been recognised?
00:46:49
Speaker 13: I think the key part to it is the support for the students. So even before we did this exercise, in our own workplaces, we had students who were essentially stagnating in their qualifications, taking years to get through an 18-month qualification because they didn't have the support. Their trainers were, they would not see them for months at a time. So the support they were needing wasn't there. And as we're seeing, students are requiring different supports and more supports in different ways as the years progress and society's moving in different ways with that. And And for us, the workplace as well, back then we were not linked with our training organisation. So it was very much arm's length and you couldn't support even your employees who were studying as well adequately because you didn't have enough information. So we flipped that on its head and said, well, let's do this training in the workplace. Let's have most of these students are actually employees and let's have a fully rounded way of supporting them where there's– ongoing engagement between the trainer and the workplace to know what that student needs to support them. There's other agencies supporting them as well and it enables those students to be both supported but also pushed as well when they're starting to kind of drift and so forth. They need to understand that in early childhood it's a requirement of your work that you have these qualifications and so While you may be able to work without holding it yet, you must be actively working towards it. So you can't sit on a qualification for five years and just pretend you're actually getting there. You need to be supported to actually get through or you'll lose your job. And we were facing situations where staff would need to be terminated because they weren't progressing because the supports weren't there.
00:48:44
Speaker 7: Right.
00:48:45
Speaker 2: So just stagnating.
00:48:46
Speaker 13: We've turned that around and, you know, instead of a one size fits all, it is a one student, we adjust too. So all of our students are individualized. We've got some who want to go quickly, some who want to go slow, and our trainers adjust to that for them. And the supports they need, some might need just what most people need as far as support. Some others might need additional coaching. They might need different assessment methods or other different approaches. And our trainers work with them because they're seeing them so regularly. They're in the work site at least every four weeks, usually every one to two weeks. And it depends on how many students at a given site. And so they're ongoing that in-person support to know where they are and what they need to keep progressing is there. And that's the crux of the difference is that that support is happening for those students.
00:49:37
Speaker 10: Yes.
00:49:38
Speaker 13: And then there's a great flow-on effect that we're in that work site sufficiently that we're also seeing the rest of the team. So therefore, when we're meeting with that site leader on a fortnightly basis, we're able to say to them, okay, but I also noticed this with the rest of your team. We probably need to look into some professional development for them, for the rest of the team on this other topic, because this is what we're seeing. So the individual partner site is getting that independent understanding set of eyes looking at how they're operating and able to go, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Let's put some investment into that and let's work on that with the team rather than stuff just getting lost. Because there's a lot on the plate of a childcare director who's trying to run that site. There's a million and one things going every day, which means some things might fall off the list.
00:50:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
00:50:29
Speaker 13: And have I got everyone's training right can often fall off the list when you've got 15 different urgent issues to solve. But our support there enables them to actually stay on top of that and that it is always coming front of mind with our regular visitations.
00:50:46
Speaker 2: I want to come back to that in a second. So just quickly, I was thinking of those at home, thinking the difference now between what maybe they experienced when their children were younger in a childcare sense versus early learning today. Has it been a huge.
00:51:01
Speaker 2: Change over time? I know some of the language is a little bit different. Is it similar or is it what's the word I'm looking for? Like has it risen in terms of responsibility and roles do you think? Or has it been an industry that you've noticed a noticeable change in?
00:51:19
Speaker 13: There's too many changes I would think to suggest.
00:51:25
Speaker 11: One or two.
00:51:26
Speaker 7: Sure.
00:51:27
Speaker 11: There is an.
00:51:28
Speaker 13: Ongoing growth in expectation of what a person working on the floor with the children is expected to do.
00:51:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
00:51:36
Speaker 13: And certainly, you know, pre-turn of the century, there was an expectation that childcare workers were babysitters.
00:51:44
Speaker 2: And that's basically it. Yeah, pretty much. That's right.
00:51:47
Speaker 13: And I think that I was in forums in, you know, 2011-12 where we were still fighting that expectation when talking with government and so forth where, People were not recognising the value of someone working with children at that age.
00:52:04
Speaker 11: I know.
00:52:06
Speaker 13: In our services at that time, we were bringing in teachers into the younger age groups when there was generally an expectation that you don't have a teacher below a four-year-old. Yet babies are the ones who are learning more than at any time in your life is when you are under 12 months. So why is it that you... and not needing a teacher to work with you and develop things before four.
00:52:27
Speaker 2: Because you think of how vital your role is, you know, for the development of kids coming through. And thank you for, I was trying to work out the way to say this on eggshells, but I think previously it was, they were kind of just babysitters. All right, you just hang there while mum and dad are doing their thing. And then, but it's much more than that.
00:52:43
Speaker 13: And I think it has always been much more than that, but that was generally a bit of an expectation or a derogatory way to look at it and go, we don't value that. And that was seen in the wage levels and everything else. And it's great that that's coming up now, but what's come up with that as well is a whole lot of extra workload for people working in the profession, which can detract from the core task which is really engaging with those children and one of the things that we really try to focus on in our training is getting that balance right because you can have these other tasks but your core task is still with those children and and and your ability to create those relationships with them yep is paramount yeah it's paramount it's ahead of everything so.
00:53:34
Speaker 2: Yeah Michael French is my guest, ELC Training Australia Managing Director. So then the strong partnerships that you would need to have with early learning centres, I guess, to improve the outcomes of your students, right? That's the important partnership, isn't it? So that you are able to get them in and learn hands-on, learn everything you need from skills and safety and supervision, et cetera.
00:53:55
Speaker 11: That's right.
00:53:55
Speaker 13: And one of the real benefits of that as well, though, in a profession like many out there that is struggling for workforce is it gives them an avenue to address their workforce shortages as well, where we can actually, if we support students who are learning right at the beginning, they can be in the workforce so long as you've got the right level of support for them and the right training mechanisms behind them. And that's, again, a key difference in how we're supporting them, where for most, well, anyone doing an early childhood qualification has to do a placement in a live work site. However, those placements generally are supported just by the workplace. No one from the training organisation is physically there supporting them, which means most sites generally only have one or two trainees because how can we actually, we don't have the manpower to support them. Whereas our trainer being on site, the more students you've got, the more the.
00:54:55
Speaker 11: Trainer is there.
00:54:57
Speaker 13: And so we will flex in line with that. and provide that support, which gives you additional means of covering your staff shortfalls because instead of a placement student who's purely a volunteer and cannot be counted working with your children, even though they might be really good, they're actually a team member being trained and supported and can be included and start to offset some of those issues you've got with staff shortages.
00:55:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes so much sense. So let's wrap this up. In a nutshell... What is the message you would like to get out there from ELC training? Where do you think you go from here? Like, what is next after this recognition? What would you like the 5AA listeners and the people of Adelaide to know or do? Big question.
00:55:44
Speaker 13: Big question.
00:55:45
Speaker 2: You can break it down in segments if you like, Michael.
00:55:48
Speaker 13: The very first thing is to say that it is a fantastic career, early childhood.
00:55:54
Speaker 2: I did it part-time. Loved it. So much fun.
00:55:57
Speaker 13: The joy you can get from working with children is amazing.
00:55:59
Speaker 10: Yep.
00:56:00
Speaker 13: However, you need really quality training to do that well because the stuff you get out of the book and that you can learn, you can learn the information if you like, but that does not teach you how to work with the children to build those relationships properly. to understand when something's going to go wrong and when something's not going to go wrong and to work your way through it in a safe and measured way. And that's what you need from workplace-based training. And I'd say to the listeners out there, if you're considering doing some studies in early childhood, find yourself an RTO, hopefully us, but find yourself an RTO that's actually going to train you practically in the workplace and because that's going to give you that key set of skills that you will not get if you're just doing it in a classroom or online.
00:56:53
Speaker 2: Do you need more numbers, like tradies?
00:56:56
Speaker 11: Absolutely.
00:56:56
Speaker 2: The industry as a whole?
00:56:57
Speaker 13: Absolutely. The profession is struggling for numbers. It's got a little bit better over the last 18 months or so, but particularly with the work being done for the three- to four-year-old preschool rollout, early childhood across the state is needing staff, and particularly regionally where we do a lot of our work, we're screaming out for numbers to support the early learning centres that all the communities are saying they need. And when the capital's being committed to develop a new centre, that's great, but you need the workers. So what if you've got a building if you haven't got the people to actually work with the children? And that message about how enjoyable and fulfilling the career can be is the one that anyone who's thinking about it should take on. And it doesn't matter what stage of life you're in, you can transition it 20, 30, 40 or 50, moving into early childhood, and you'll just love it day in, day out. As long as you've got the right training behind you, you'll have a fantastic time with the children.
00:58:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it part-time while I was at university and loved it. It was so much fun every day with the kids. It was so much fun. Michael, congratulations on the work you're doing and the recognition for it. So people should go to elctraining.com That's the best place to go. Find out all the information.
00:58:15
Speaker 10: Yep.
00:58:15
Speaker 13: And if you want to have a chat, there's a link there just to book a chat and one of our team will get in touch and see where we can go with it.
00:58:21
Speaker 2: Well done. Great to meet you. Thank you for the insight today. Really interesting. Michael French, Managing Director of ELC Training Australia. Dr. Derek will be here just after the 2.30 news headlines. We'll check in with the Bureau. Any questions you have about your dogs, cats, pets, he will answer all of those and more. Tony's in Seton. Good afternoon, Tony. Tony was in Seton. Tony? We'll come back to Tony. We are celebrating the people who proved that there is no age limit when it comes to making a difference. We are searching for seven sensational South Australians over the age of 70 who continue to achieve, lead and inspire. If you know someone who is sensational, It might be your best friend. could be your neighbour, maybe it's even yourself. You've got a few more days remaining to nominate at 5AA. com. au. We want to highlight the outstanding contribution. It is proudly presented by 5AA and AFM Wealth Strategy. You can plan the retirement you want to live with independent advice that you can trust, afmwealthstrategy.com.au. Let's try again. Take two. Tony from Seton.
00:59:35
Speaker 18: Good afternoon, Lee.
00:59:36
Speaker 2: G'day, Tony.
00:59:38
Speaker 18: Listen, two things.
00:59:39
Speaker 2: Sure.
00:59:40
Speaker 18: Not much has been said about the Elon Musk car there today.
00:59:45
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the flying car.
00:59:47
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:59:48
Speaker 18: I think that was... I've never seen anything like that in my whole life. I mean, certain things happen you remember all your life, like 9-11, I'm 60 years old. I've never seen nothing like that before. Technology has just gone through the roof now. It's just unbelievable. I don't know what to say. I can't believe it.
01:00:07
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, Tony. And I think for a lot of us, when you watch television and movies, we've been expecting these kind of things before and have never eventuated. But Elon seems to be doing, for all the faults he has as a human, Tony, he is incredible with what he does for work. what he's been able to do with EVs, and now what we're seeing with flying cars. Now, we all think we're going to get the Jetsons in our lifetime, Tony. I don't think that's going to happen, but still, amazing, isn't it, where we're going?
01:00:36
Speaker 18: That's a safety feature. What it is, on the highway, if you come up with a big accident, and you press the button, you're jumping over the traffic.
01:00:44
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:00:44
Speaker 18: I mean, no one's going to climb up the walls with their car.
01:00:47
Speaker 2: No, I know.
01:00:49
Speaker 18: But the thing was, he's experimenting, he's giving it a go.
01:00:53
Speaker 12: And the.
01:00:54
Speaker 18: And he implies a lot of people, which if he was here in South Australia, I don't think he'd be allowed to do half of what he's done.
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Speaker 2: No, you're probably right. No, he's got a bit of free reign.
01:01:05
Speaker 18: And the other thing is socialism in this state. Starting at the unis, and I see even the unis overseas, they're all getting together now and they're just pushing the socialist issues, the socialist lifestyle. And These young kids now, they think that that's the way to go, and it's not. And if they want to go somewhere where they think it's great, go to Cuba or go to bloody China. Go see how those people live there or North Korea. There's a socialist in the mainstream.
01:01:36
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony. Well, that's certainly the movement, isn't it? And we're seeing that right now with the democratic socialists in the United States, how popular they have become from Mamdami in New York. right through to some of the other potential senators that are coming up in the midterms, which is just a couple of weeks away now. Thank you, Tony. Appreciate it. Oh, amazing footage for those who saw it over the weekend of Elon Musk's flying car. Who knows where we're going to be in 5, 10... It is interesting when you watch old movies and they say, the year is 1996. And you think, well, we lived through that and there was none of those things, but it feels like a few things now. So if you watch the Jetsons, for example... Robot vacuums. We've got robot vacuums now. FaceTime. They were all over FaceTime back in the 60s or 70s whenever the Jetsons came out. They were all over that. So we get that now. Now we've got flying cars. Once those tubes are here, look out.
01:02:30
Speaker 5: Dr.
01:02:31
Speaker 2: Derek's next.
01:02:33
Speaker 7: Thank you, Mel.
01:02:36
Speaker 2: 26 degrees, as Mel mentioned, in the city right now. Felt like it was that all night. It was warm overnight. Beautiful weekend for all the activities, though. What does this week have in store for us? Daniel Hayes joins us from the Weather Bureau. Afternoon, Daniel.
01:02:50
Speaker 5: G'day, Lee.
01:02:51
Speaker 2: We had a nice weekend. Is there more of that weather on the way or are things about to change?
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Speaker 6: There's a bit of a change coming through tomorrow. We do have even the potential for some severe storms on the mix for Adelaide. It's probably a bit marginal around Adelaide. It's more likely up into the hills and further east. But there is that possibility tomorrow as we see a system move through. It's currently moving across western parts of the state. And as it's coming, it's tapping into tropical moisture. So there is the potential that some of those showers or storms could have some heavy rainfall with them. Mostly, we're probably looking at lighter falls, but if we do manage to get a shower or a storm into the Adelaide area, then there is a chance we could see a little bit more than the zero to three mils that we have on the forecast at the moment. So there's the potential for 20, 30 odd millimetres out of decent thunderstorm activity. So we will likely see some of those sort of falls around parts of eastern South Australia as that system moves through tomorrow. It's just a matter of whether it comes into the Adelaide.
01:03:57
Speaker 5: Area or not.
01:03:58
Speaker 6: It is a little marginal.
01:03:59
Speaker 2: All right, so nice warmer conditions. I saw on your Bureau website there's an overnight low one of the days of 20. That's not very low, Daniel, for overnight.
01:04:08
Speaker 6: No, it's not. I mean, we only got down to around about 20 to 22 across Adelaide last night, so similar to what we saw last night coming. But, look, temperatures will take a dip with that system coming through tomorrow. We're sitting at around about the high 20s for the most part today. after getting into the 30s and 31s yesterday. It will be cooler tomorrow with that system coming through, so we're generally sitting around about the low 20s, 22 to 24 across Adelaide tomorrow as that makes its way through, and then we'll warm up after that. 25 still on Wednesday is still relatively cool, pretty close to, just a little above average, but not too much. But then, yeah, we're back up into the 30s for the end of the week, and that's when we see those minimum temperatures trend upwards as well. There could be a little bit more shower activity come through on Friday. So that's why that morning in particular is probably a little warmer than everywhere else. The average this time of year is around 10 or 11. We'll probably be sitting around about mid-teens for most of the week to come, with those peaks being when we've got that bit of extra humidity and cloud cover around.
01:05:14
Speaker 2: All right. And completely self-indulgent, the mother-in-law's 80th this weekend. Garden party Saturday night, Daniel. Do I bring a tarp?
01:05:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think so. We've probably got a few more showers coming through right over the weekend. And, you know, there's a decent system, this one. It's going to, once again, be tapping into some tropical moisture. And at the moment, at least, five to seven days out, the modelling is showing that it could be a fairly wet one. Now, we've still got a few days for that to run. We'll see how it actually shapes up. But I think forward planning, definitely have some wet weather options.
01:05:50
Speaker 2: Bring the gumboots. Good on you, Daniel. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Daniel Hayes from the Weather Bureau. 26 degrees in the city right now, 17 now, overnight low, 23 tomorrow. Time now to talk pets.
01:06:08
Speaker 7: Time to talk all things pets with Dr.
01:06:10
Speaker 15: Derek.
01:06:12
Speaker 2: You know him, you love him. Dr. Derek McNair is here from the Parade Norwood Vet Clinic. Lovely to see you.
01:06:19
Speaker 11: You too, Lee. Thank you.
01:06:20
Speaker 2: So I was walking the dogs last night. I love walking the dogs at night.
01:06:23
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:06:24
Speaker 2: No one's around, first and foremost. Roads to yourself. Very little distraction for the dogs. You can, I don't know, it just seems, it was 24 degrees at half past 10, 11 o'clock last night when I was walking the dogs.
01:06:36
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:06:37
Speaker 2: That's warm though. I was almost, almost... was going to touch the footpath. It just felt very humid and warm last night.
01:06:43
Speaker 11: Yes, yes. It hasn't got quite to the dangerous temperature, but I always tell people if it gets, if you're not sure if it's too hot to walk your dogs, take your socks and shoes off and go for a walk yourself and just see. And if you can cope okay with it, they'll be able to cope okay with it. If you think it's too hot, For you, then, don't take them out. Take them out either sort of very early morning or very late at night, depending how the temperature goes.
01:07:10
Speaker 2: So Thursday, Friday this week, 30 degrees. Do you reckon 30 is around that point where it's too hot in the heat of the day to walk a dog?
01:07:18
Speaker 11: No, I think it's usually okay. I think 30 is okay. You don't want to go too far. You don't want to run them. You don't want to go to the dog park and have them playing around. But it's also certain surfaces... seem to get hotter like bricks and things like that seem to get much hotter than the pavement so it yeah I think 30 is okay it's usually when it gets above that it's a problem but yeah do the same thing again go out see how hot the pavement feels and don't do too much and again probably more early morning late evening is safer and if you know some dog's benefit from having a haircut because they can have a very thick coat of hair and giving them a haircut does cool them down they still they generally don't get too cold unless you really shave them down to the skin which does not normally happen but there's there's guard hairs down at skin level which sort of modulate the temperature and keep the dog sort of warmer in cold weather and cooler in warm weather so as long as they're not shaved down to skin level they're usually okay but dogs with very thick coats yeah I would certainly think about giving them a bit of a haircut with the warm weather coming up.
01:08:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I often wonder that. So where the dogs are like humans, where there are some who enjoy and revel in the heat, and then there are others like me who would prefer to be in an igloo. I imagine there are breeds of dogs that thrash around in the heat and the sun and they love it, and then there are others that do not.
01:08:49
Speaker 11: Yes, and the main ones that do not are the ones with the squashed-in faces. which are called the brachycephalic dogs, the ones with no noses, the ones that look like they've run into a brick wall.
01:09:02
Speaker 2: Sort of your shih tzu types, are you talking?
01:09:05
Speaker 11: Yes, bulldogs, boxers.
01:09:10
Speaker 2: So not the elongated nose, the sort of squashed face.
01:09:13
Speaker 11: No, the squashed-in nose, because what's happened over time is they were not really meant to be bred. This way. So you have the roof of your mouth, which the back of the soft palate sort of goes to the back of your throat. And then because of breathing, the nose has been pushed back and pushed back and pushed back. And the soft palate has just gone back and back as well. And so you find that the back of the soft palate interferes with the airway down into the lungs if it's too long. So these dogs are not really very good at breathing, to put it mildly. So if they go out, warm weather, hot weather, they don't cope with very well. And exercising too much, they don't cope with either. So be very careful if you've got one of these little dogs.
01:10:08
Speaker 2: So good advice.
01:10:09
Speaker 11: Yeah i was actually reading at the weekend um that they've done a study and that one and i'm not going to get into politics because you won't get me off the show but because of the cost of living one in six people now who own a pet is not going to the vet because either they can't afford it or it's an expense they can they would rather do without so If you can do things to prevent yourself needing to take your pet to the vet, then that is good. I mean, as a vet, we need people to come, but if we can avoid having the disasters coming in, that'd be nice. So with cats, keeping cats indoors, because all their problems happen outside and also... I didn't hear, my wife was listening to Graham Goodings this morning, there was someone on talking about birds and things.
01:11:06
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think Rania Cleary was on.
01:11:09
Speaker 17: Right.
01:11:10
Speaker 2: A bird expert.
01:11:10
Speaker 11: Yes, saying, apparently said there shouldn't be any cats, which I don't agree with, but I think you should have your cats under control. So keeping them indoors, because the big disasters we see with cats are getting into fights, and they get abscesses, which can be very nasty, and they get into fights with motor cars as well, which They obviously never come off best. So they are the dangerous things. Dogs, same sort of thing. Just keep them under control is the big thing. You're actually legally obliged to be under control of your dog at all times. So if they're off the lead, you should have them that they can come back to you if they look like they're starting to run away or if they're going to be running towards another dog or something that doesn't look very nice, you should have the control to bring them back. So not taking them out in very hot weather is a good thing. They don't need to be walked every day. If you have a heat wave that's 35 every day, you know, in the grass, in your backyard, I'm sure they're happier to stay indoors in your air conditioning if you've got it. So not doing that. If they get hot, give them a haircut. I think we talked about it last week, the grass seeds.
01:12:19
Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
01:12:19
Speaker 11: So at the end of every walk, check in between their toes to see if there's any grass seeds. If they start shaking their head, check inside the ears to see if you can see a grass seed. Because those things, if a dog has a grass seed down the ear, you have to go to the vet because they do work their way down and they can go through the eardrum, which obviously raises more complications.
01:12:45
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:12:46
Speaker 2: Granier is team bird, so that wouldn't surprise.
01:12:49
Speaker 11: Team bird, no, no.
01:12:50
Speaker 2: Birds and nothing else.
01:12:51
Speaker 11: And you can understand, I mean, as you know, I'm not, I don't consider myself certainly an expert in birds, but I do like them. I really do like birds. And so, and I've got two cats myself who I allow into my back garden because they cannot escape. And I have seen them as birds that come in. And they just look at them and think, I couldn't be bothered. Too much effort to do what a cat's meant to do. So I don't feel bad about letting them outside. But yes, a lot of cats are hunters. And so... Do the right thing. Do the right thing.
01:13:24
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:13:24
Speaker 5: Dr.
01:13:24
Speaker 2: Derek is here.
01:13:25
Speaker 3: 8223 0000.
01:13:25
Speaker 2: If you have a question for Dr. Derek, we'll take your calls on the other side of the break. A lot of texts coming through. Matthew said, can you shave a husky? Yes, you can.
01:13:36
Speaker 11: Yes, you can. And yeah, a lot of huskies do get... very hot in the summer as well because they have not been bred to live in adelaide basically so yes you can you probably want to find a breeder who's shaved them before but the hair will come back it sometimes come back slightly thicker occasionally it'll come back a slightly different color but huskies i'm pretty sure come back much the same as as when you've shaved them.
01:14:05
Speaker 2: Yes Fred is 72 years of age, has his name down at the Blind Society. Any dogs that don't make the grade or being retired? Any idea the direction I could pick up? A nice dog to give to a nice home. Prefer a female lab, but it's not a deal breaker, said Fred. Do you know of that?
01:14:24
Speaker 11: You can put your name down at the Animal Welfare League and RSPC and give them your wish list. So say this is the sort of dog I want, this is the sort of temperament I want. But obviously you might be waiting for a while for that. If it's a specific breed, there are breed societies that they have people who will look after dogs if just say the owner dies or something like that happens. So if they're looking for a Labrador, maybe phone up the Labrador society and ask them. And the other thing is just phoning around some vets as well. We sometimes, from time to time, we'll have, People phone up and say, look, this is a circumstance, so I'm looking for a home for this dog and it's beautiful and blah, blah, blah. So that's probably a way as well.
01:15:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, because sometimes even the dogs that don't make the grade via guide dogs become support dogs.
01:15:15
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:15:15
Speaker 2: So I know even I'm an ambassador for the retired German Shepherds, the police dogs, and Tina will often say that, Once the police dog finishes, it might move into another role. Maybe it's not chasing crooks and jumping over cars, but it might act as a support animal. So it's not like it's just free to go to a home necessarily. So maybe Fred needs to do some calling around. More calls and messages for Dr. Derek on the other side. You can join us, 8223 0000 next.
01:15:44
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leigh Forrest.
01:15:47
Speaker 2: Parade Nord Vet Clinic. That is where you'll find Dr. Derek McNair. Of course, joins us every Monday on the show to take your pet calls. And we'll get to Kayleen and Lily before we get to some of your texts. Kayleen, you're speaking to Dr.
01:16:00
Speaker 5: Derek.
01:16:01
Speaker 16: Oh, good afternoon. I've been wanting to call you for a while, but every time I want to, I've got to go and get the kids from school.
01:16:11
Speaker 11: Jeez, what a nuisance. What a nuisance.
01:16:14
Speaker 16: But I'd rather talk to you anyway.
01:16:16
Speaker 11: I'm certainly not advising you to not send your children to school just so you can phone up. That'd be the wrong thing, but that's good. Thank you for calling.
01:16:23
Speaker 16: Anyway, I have 18-month-old poodle dogs, and I hope everybody's had lunch. I want to know when they'll stop eating their feces.
01:16:34
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:16:37
Speaker 11: When they will stop... There's things you can do, Kayleen, to try and stop them because it's not a time thing. Unfortunately, there are a small percentage of dogs who seem to enjoy doing it, as gross as it sounds. So there's two things you can try. There's actually more than that, but some of them I don't think work. Is it just a miniature poodle or a standard poodle? They're small poodles.
01:17:06
Speaker 10: Okay.
01:17:06
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:17:07
Speaker 11: Try one or two cubes of pineapple in their food in every meal. And that has about a 50% success rate. So I always start with pineapple. If that doesn't work, there is a product that you can get called coprophagia powder, which probably is about a 40% success rate, I think. So I always like to start with pineapple. But if that doesn't work, talk to your vet about there's a powder you can put in their food that also might work. Some people say it's vitamin deficiencies. A lot of studies have been given it's rarely vitamin deficiency. It's just usually, unfortunately, that some dogs like to do it. So try the pineapple. If that doesn't work, talk to your vet about getting an off-the-shelf product.
01:17:58
Speaker 7: Okay, well, obviously.
01:18:00
Speaker 16: Stop chasing them around.
01:18:02
Speaker 2: With the.
01:18:04
Speaker 5: Pants.
01:18:06
Speaker 11: I mean, I won't go into some other people have sort of suggested, but yes, that's the other thing is trying to, if you see them going, just clear up as quickly as you can.
01:18:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've also heard behaviouralists talk about, too, if you make too big a deal of it, it almost becomes a game for them. Have you ever heard that?
01:18:22
Speaker 11: No, because it usually happens when you're not even looking.
01:18:24
Speaker 18: Right.
01:18:25
Speaker 11: So, I mean, I guess if you're going to run up, I guess if you see them go to the toilet, get some nice treats.
01:18:32
Speaker 3: Yes.
01:18:32
Speaker 11: And then throw the treats away from where the dog's gone to the toilet.
01:18:35
Speaker 2: Chase it, yep.
01:18:36
Speaker 11: Yeah, so that draws their attention away while you clear up behind them.
01:18:41
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kayleen. Hello, Lily, you're speaking to Dr.
01:18:43
Speaker 5: Derek.
01:18:44
Speaker 19: Yes, good afternoon, Lisa and Dr. Derek. I'm going to have to bring Chester into your clinic.
01:18:49
Speaker 7: Yes.
01:18:50
Speaker 19: Another opinion, please, because I want to save him. And I know there's a lot of hope seeing all these YouTube videos on holistic vet approaches to chronic kidney disease, which now is a new blood test, which I probably shouldn't have asked for.
01:19:04
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
01:19:05
Speaker 19: And all the creatine levels are high, all the red markers are there, and I'm thinking, oh, no, he's already had pancreatitis diagnosed two years ago.
01:19:14
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:19:15
Speaker 19: And the Kershians are prone to all these dreadful things. So he's acting still like he's normal. We're giving him monthly vitamin B injections.
01:19:24
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:19:24
Speaker 19: He gets the kitten attitude back. He's had rectal prolapse surgery per string. which was done about six years ago, and he has had an enucleation, which means eye removal, which I think was a stray cat that did that here or whoever was in the wrong.
01:19:44
Speaker 11: Interesting.
01:19:45
Speaker 19: A battle cat, which didn't help. So I keep him in my garden now. But what holistic approach would you have, Dr. Derek? Because I really would. I know that he's a geriatric cat, but he's also a super cat.
01:20:00
Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
01:20:01
Speaker 19: You know, like these humans that are just out living 100 years of age. I want to give him. He's just living for me. I can see it. He's just following me everywhere. He's going to the toilet okay. My vet wants the crystals that she gave me as a sample to do a urine catch. Chester doesn't want to do it. He knows I'm trying to trick him, so he makes me open the door, get him to the garden to do his toilet.
01:20:27
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:20:28
Speaker 19: So I can't get that.
01:20:29
Speaker 18: Okay.
01:20:32
Speaker 2: Oh, we're just losing you, Lily. You're just dropping out there. Can you answer that from there?
01:20:36
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, yes. Whether you call it a holistic approach or a naturopathic approach, I'm not sure. The two big things which I think help is one is feeding a diet that is made for cats with kidney problems. So the big thing about them is they have reduced protein because extra protein gives the kidney extra work. So that is a big thing. A lot of cats that we get, and I think it helps a lot, is once a week they come in and we just put saline under their skin. And we have some clients who are happy to do that themselves. If you have a well-behaved cat, if Chester is very well behaved, then we'll sometimes give them a bottle of saline and that they can take home, that they can actually show them how to inject under the skin. It doesn't hurt. And it's been shown that giving the extra saline increases the blood volume and that increases the amount of blood that gets pushed through the kidneys and that helps to continually flush out the toxins that it might be struggling.
01:21:43
Speaker 2: To get rid of.
01:21:44
Speaker 11: So it's easy, it's cheap, it's safe and I think it greatly prolongs the life of kidneys. So that's what I would do, Lily, with saline. with Chester is make sure that his diet is okay and maybe talk to your vet. I'm happy to see him as a second opinion, but talk to your vet about possibly giving the saline under the skin because that can help a lot.
01:22:10
Speaker 2: Good on you, Lily. Thank you for the call. Appreciate that. A couple of text messages, Dr. Derek, before we let you out of here. Sue says, thank you, Dr. Derek, for backing up what I've always said. You can't walk a dog every day. When the day comes inevitably that you can't, they're heartbroken. I walk mine five days a week. A house guest once was disgusted, saying they must be walked every day. They have not been invited back.
01:22:35
Speaker 19: Wow.
01:22:35
Speaker 2: Sue's just cut them out of their life.
01:22:37
Speaker 11: I mean, my dog, Freddie, she goes out most days, but sometimes I'll get her harness and she just looks at me like, I'm comfortable on the couch. I cannot be bothered getting off. And you think, you actually don't seem to want to go for a walk. She seems to enjoy it when she goes. But sometimes you think, if I didn't bother, she wouldn't mind at all.
01:22:55
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:22:56
Speaker 2: There are days when obviously things, you're busy or weather conditions, sometimes we won't walk. both boys in a day, but then I'll always try and make it up. We might do a morning and night the next day and figure out over time.
01:23:08
Speaker 11: And some dogs, I think if they get lots of company and TLC at home, then that's a nice substitute. A little bit of a walk is always nice just to take them out to give them a bit of a sniff is always nice, even if it's short.
01:23:18
Speaker 2: And this is interesting from Tanya. She says, Dr. Derek, wondering if there or why there isn't a possible warning with the Baranza shot for arthritis, Baranza. Maltese Cross had the shot. had intermittent back leg paralysis, neurological issues with the head on a slant, and would stare at the wall for hours. Before this completely healthy 15-year-old with a little stiffness in the back legs, I found Facebook pages on Baranza saying how dangerous it was and how it had killed some dogs with the same issues as mine. I know it's beneficial for dogs, especially larger breeds, but shouldn't it come with a warning so people are aware of these issues and make a decision accordingly?
01:24:00
Speaker 11: The Baranza is a very strong and very effective injection that lasts about one month for dogs with very bad arthritis. There are lots of reports around the world. America, the UK, I think there's a class action against the company Baranza. for the side effects. I use it and we use it in our clinic. We tend to reserve it for dogs that literally are on their last legs and it can be fantastic. And I will always say to people, look, this is a story, touch wood, I don't think we've had any side effects yet, but I'm sure it might happen down the track. I will say to clients that, There is all this bad publicity, but if you've got a dog that can't walk, then I've given it to some dogs that literally can't walk and then they can afterwards. So for me, depending on the situation, it's a risk worth taking. But yes, there's certainly a lot of. publicized side effects with it.
01:25:13
Speaker 2: Is that smaller dogs, bigger dogs, or across the board?
01:25:17
Speaker 11: No, across the board. Okay. Yeah, yeah, across the board.
01:25:20
Speaker 2: But obviously, I guess you want that information beforehand.
01:25:22
Speaker 11: Yes, yes. And as I say, I've used it a lot and touch wood, whether I've been lucky, possibly. But it does, if you have a dog that's really crippled with arthritis and you've tried all the other options, there's a lot of other options.
01:25:38
Speaker 19: Yep.
01:25:39
Speaker 11: Then I think it is worthwhile trying because certainly not every dog gets any side effects with it.
01:25:45
Speaker 2: Good luck, Tanya, going forward. And Rosie, final word. Is there something I can put in the water, Dr. Derek, to stop the burning lawn? Stones in the water still okay? And are they okay for dogs, please?
01:25:56
Speaker 11: Yes, dog rocks. You need to get specific dog rocks that you can get at pet shops. And they are often very good. And a few people have told me that actually... tomato sauce, tomato soup or tomatoes.
01:26:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was you that told me. Can help as well. We do that.
01:26:16
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I've had some people say that it works very well. Well, Freddie, unlucky Freddie's weed doesn't mark our lawn. But yeah, it's safe. So again, if it's safe, why not give it a go?
01:26:27
Speaker 2: We do that. Add tomatoes to the diet. Where do we find you at the Parade Norwood Vet Clinic?
01:26:33
Speaker 11: 27 The Parade and the phone number is 83635323.
01:26:38
Speaker 2: Lovely to see you. Did you see Scott Hicks during the week? Did he come in and say good day?
01:26:41
Speaker 11: He did come in and say good day, and then it was nice to see his story, which I read in the paper. He's super talented, but he's so down to earth. He's a lovely guy.
01:26:52
Speaker 2: That's the most Adelaide thing of all time, you two walking past each other. I'll see you this week. Good to see you.
01:26:58
Speaker 12: Dr.
01:26:58
Speaker 2: Derek McNair, our very special guest each and every Monday from the Parade Norwood Vet Clinic.
01:27:03
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:27:06
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on this Monday afternoon. It is seven minutes after three. You can hear us on 5AA. com. au via the player app or if you'd like to see us, you're welcome to do that too. Our live stream is now operational on Facebook and YouTube. We are delighted to have the Minister for Domestic, Family and Sexual Violence here in the studio with us, Alice Rowles MP. Lovely to see you, Minister. Thank you for coming in. And also delighted to welcome Hannah Park, who is someone who's going to be able to talk to us with firsthand experience of this particular topic. Lovely to see you too, Hannah.
01:27:42
Speaker 14: Thank you.
01:27:43
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming in. So we are talking this afternoon, Minister, about the impact that domestic and family violence has on children and on young people and often younger people who are often not. necessarily taking part in some of these conversations, but there's some reforms being done and you're getting some input from people affected. Absolutely.
01:28:05
Speaker 15: And it's an absolute no-brainer that we listen to children and young people that are often so greatly affected by the impacts of domestic family and sexual violence.
01:28:13
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:28:14
Speaker 15: Now, Leith, you will know, of course, that we had a Royal Commission into Domestic Family and Sexual Violence that was very ably led by.
01:28:20
Speaker 3: Natasha Stott Despoja.
01:28:22
Speaker 15: Natasha Stott Despoja handed down her recommendations 12 months ago, and we as a government are working through those recommendations very carefully so that we can create a new system for the future. One of those recommendations, and a very important one, Recommendation 11, was about setting up a new way of communicating and hearing the lived voices and the lived experience of young people, just like Hannah, aged 15 to 25. And that's what we're announcing today. I'm very pleased to say that our website that tells everyone more about what that Children and Young Persons' Lived Experience website network looks like is up and live today on the department of human services website.
01:29:03
Speaker 2: So 2023 was the royal commission wasn't it so that was introduced then we had the murder settled the tragic murder of the four women that's right then the lived experience advisory network that was last.
01:29:15
Speaker 15: Year uh earlier this year oh sorry no you're right end of last year um but really kicked off So the Lived Experience Advisory Network is for adults. And that's got about nearly 300 people who have sadly experienced the consequences of domestic violence. And they are providing input in different ways. There's another group as well, the Lived Experience Advisory Group, which is a group of 12 people that I'm working very closely with. And again, that's for adults. So we've got the network, the group for adults, and now we've got a third one. which is different, equally as important for children and young people.
01:29:54
Speaker 2: I know you're new in this ministry. It does seem like something that part of you go, why were we not doing this earlier? Like reaching in and tapping into the thoughts and experiences of others, but maybe that's an evolution for all of us.
01:30:09
Speaker 3: It absolutely is.
01:30:09
Speaker 2: Like learnings to be had.
01:30:11
Speaker 15: So much of this portfolio, I have to say, are things that we say, how do we not do that already? I mean, this is crazy, but let's stop and think for a minute. Um, even 10 years ago, certainly in my lifetime, I won't tell you how old I am, we didn't talk about domestic violence. It was a bit of a cultural thing where what happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors. And I think we've really changed as a community. This is the evolution of that. We want to make sure that the systems that we design and that we set up take into account the voices of children and young people.
01:30:44
Speaker 3: And that's what this is about.
01:30:45
Speaker 2: So Hannah, it's lovely to have you here. You are a young person.
01:30:48
Speaker 14: I would identify as one, yes.
01:30:50
Speaker 2: I'm 24.
01:30:51
Speaker 12: Yeah.
01:30:51
Speaker 2: So again, and I'll apologise now, I never know how you navigate these kind of conversations. So I was saying to yourself and the minister off air, it's like you don't know what you don't know. So I want to make sure that I'm appropriate with this. When you have lived experience, is it easy for you to talk about? Is it something that you've been saying, Why haven't we had a voice for longer? Is this something you've been thinking about?
01:31:13
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it's a double-edged sword. For young people, it's the trauma that they've gone through and the need to change things. But it's also, like you guys said, we don't know what we don't know. And we really need to have the, like, why aren't we having lived experience voices? And why are young people being not a part of that? young people are just as much victims in their own right as an adult is. And I think that's a really important distinguish to make because young people aren't many adults. And so it's really important that we've got a group like this that's come about through the minister.
01:31:50
Speaker 2: And the fact that you would have normally experiences where people might have ideas, but unless you have that lived experience, that's actually finding out the real information that you need to know to make proper change. Yeah, absolutely.
01:32:02
Speaker 14: I think when we think of domestic violence, we often think of it as like this abstract concept, but it's in healthcare, it's in our schools, it's in a range of different services is how young people can access care for domestic violence. It's not just something that pops up. It's something that people can bolster young people into supporting them through different.
01:32:28
Speaker 3: Services.
01:32:28
Speaker 14: And so, yeah, it's, It's really important that when we talk about lived experience, we talk about it in a sense that it really does envelop the whole life of a young person.
01:32:40
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's confidentialities with this. Did you go to the minister? Does the minister come to Hannah? How did this relationship happen?
01:32:48
Speaker 15: So Hannah is, we are very lucky to have Hannah here in South Australia. You know, Hannah's one of these young people that's, um, graciously putting her hand up and telling her own story. And she's, she's happy and willing to do that. Um, that's really impactful because when other young people hear that they're not alone, um, they can seek guidance from people like Hannah. And so we've, we've connected through that way and, and Hannah's, um, volunteering herself to be active in this space and we're very grateful to her for it.
01:33:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is excellent. How did you come to that decision? Is this something that you always wanted to speak about? Did you find yourself with like a higher calling going, I can, with my lived experience, help others?
01:33:24
Speaker 14: I always tell people that if you asked me at 16, I would never want to speak about these experiences ever. They're not nice to talk about. However, I don't want any young person to feel the way I did when I was a young person, not seeing anyone else talk about what they were going through how they got support, and then also reaching out to ministers and service providers and saying, hey, your services aren't working the way that they should. And so this really came about through a frustration that I had with the system and I guess, yeah, that higher calling that I had to do something. But I don't think that means that every single young person with a lived experience wants to do that. And I think that's also important to acknowledge that we need to really, you know, I had support. I had a lot of people that showed me how to advocate properly, how to be a good communicator and not re-traumatize myself while doing that. And so that's what's led me down this path.
01:34:16
Speaker 2: Because you would also have the situation where whilst it's very individual to you and very personal to you, when you look sadly and tragically at the numbers, it's a collective. There's a lot of people who might have similar situations, life experiences to you. They might think they're on their own.
01:34:31
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:34:32
Speaker 14: I thought I was on my own.
01:34:33
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:34:34
Speaker 14: I went to a homelessness conference in Darwin last week and it was actually the first time that I had heard another young person talking about their experiences with homelessness through domestic violence. I thought that my story was unique and as I found out it's not unique and It's moments like that that are really important for young people in finding and rebuilding that sense of community that's often lost when they're experiencing domestic violence.
01:35:00
Speaker 12: Yes.
01:35:00
Speaker 2: So, Minister, with this, I guess you're creating a space too, aren't you, that's safe and it's informed and all of those things that are important because you want to make sure that you do the right thing as a collective but also for the individual. Absolutely.
01:35:13
Speaker 15: Look, the safety and the approach of being trauma-informed, the way in which we deal with the young people is absolutely critical.
01:35:19
Speaker 11: Absolutely.
01:35:19
Speaker 15: And that's why the way this is being set up is that we're partnering with existing organisations that work with children and young people. I want to be really clear about that. We're not asking kids out there to just sign up themselves to a random website and start engaging with government. That wouldn't be a safe way to do things. What we're doing is we're leveraging the existing organisations and they are going to have the communications with young people that they engage with to make sure that they stay safe as part of the process. The other really great thing about this is that this lived experience advisory network for children and young people is going to be able to impact the work of government across all of our different departments and agencies. So the rollout of all the recommendations is taking place over the next 10 years. I'm obviously focused very much on how much we can get done in the next three and a half in this term of government. But all aspects of government are involved. Health, Department for Human Services, Attorney Generals, Police. Now, if those agencies are putting forward a new plan or doing what they're meant to be doing as part of this recommendation delivery, and they need the voices of children and young people, which they should, they can come to the network and they can engage with the network through the safe channels that DHS is organising. So it sounds complicated, but we're making sure that we're keeping the kids safe as part of the process.
01:36:40
Speaker 2: Alice Rowles is our guest minister for domestic, family and sexual violence. And Hannah Park is here, a young person who has lived experience in this and talking about why what's happening now is so important. So we had this conversation off air. Are you surprised by the numbers? And surprised is not the right word. I mean, it's obviously repulsed and disgusted and saddened and shocked and every other adjective you can think of. Just the sheer numbers of people that are affected by this, that's someone on the radio that's learnt more about this over time.
01:37:11
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:37:12
Speaker 2: It's just, I shake my head every time I hear these stories.
01:37:15
Speaker 15: I mean, sadly, the scourge of domestic violence, as we talk about, is everywhere. And I think as a community, over a long period of time, we haven't responded well enough. That's why we had the Royal Commission, which set out a roadmap. My job is to follow that roadmap, implement it as quickly as we can, but also as carefully as we can so that what we set up and build will be long lasting for the future. I'm very impatient to get that done, but we have to do it properly.
01:37:45
Speaker 2: What do you hope to get out of it, Hannah? Have you got a dream? What would you like? What would be the best case scenario for you with this partnership with government?
01:37:53
Speaker 14: Well, for me, the dream would be to be out of a consulting job for it all to be perfect and to... Never have to talk about my experiences and what's wrong again because there won't be anything wrong. But more realistically, I just want to be able to uplift the voices of young people. I want to give a platform not just to myself but to all young people, and that's really what this network is about. It's about not one single young person, not one strong advocate, but a range of different young people who have different experiences being able to inform really robust services and policies.
01:38:29
Speaker 2: I have this conversation. with people involved in the charities that I do work with. Nobody signs up for this. You become an unofficial spokesperson that you didn't ask to be. But do you appreciate the work that you're doing and how much it's respected by everyone because you have become that accidental spokesperson, if you like?
01:38:47
Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely.
01:38:48
Speaker 14: I think for me, it's about being the person that I wish I had when I was younger. I wish I had someone that I could have gone to to speak about my experiences that understood it on a real level. And I've had so many young people reach out to me with similar experiences. I've had so many service providers talking to me about how they can better engage young people. And so for me, the hope is really that we will have better ways of implementing young people into our service design by things like this, by me showing how we can do it.
01:39:21
Speaker 2: Yes. So, Minister, tonight you're launching?
01:39:24
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
01:39:25
Speaker 15: I'm very pleased to say that we're launching this new network at a screening of a film, a short film called Unanswered Calls, which highlights and shines a spotlight on the voice of children and young people and how they experience domestic violence. Now, what's good about this screening, Leith, is that We've got 100 people from across government and members of parliament coming along to that screening. That's 100 senior leaders. I've seen the guest list, a lot of CEOs. And I know for a fact that culture starts at the top and we've got to educate people. We've spent too long as communities not talking about this and not educating people. This is just the start and we'll be doing that tonight.
01:40:04
Speaker 2: You've got the years of 5AA, Hannah, the years of Adelaide. What message would you like people to take away from this chat this afternoon?
01:40:12
Speaker 14: For me, when I talk about young people and their experiences, it's really important to know that a young person experiencing violence doesn't stop experiencing violence when they turn 18 or when they step away. I always say to people, it was only two years ago that I walked into a grocery store by myself for the first time. Now, I stopped experiencing violence at 21. I'm now 24. That's a long time to go. Without any support. And we really need to be wrapping around our young people. We need to be listening to them and we need to sit with them in the discomfort of not having the right answers.
01:40:46
Speaker 2: But, you know, the change is going to be made, which is incredible that you're a part of that. Minister, what would you say, like, again, to our listeners? What do you want them to take away from this partnership on what you're doing?
01:40:56
Speaker 15: Look, there's work happening. Fortunately, we've dropped the ball over a long period of time as a society on this, but we're doing the work and we're going to do it properly. I'm looking forward. People might be saying this is just a talk fest. It's certainly not that whatsoever. This is just the start. We need to make sure we do it properly. I look forward to making more announcements towards the end of this year about uplifting services in this space. And then through the course of next year, developing a brand new service focused on children and young people.
01:41:23
Speaker 3: That work is underway.
01:41:24
Speaker 2: It's happening.
01:41:25
Speaker 15: And I really can't wait to be talking about that. So for young people out there, please do come forward. There are supports available. We're working on making them better, but they're there. We want to hear from you. Come forward.
01:41:37
Speaker 2: Where should people go? What kind of information?
01:41:39
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:41:40
Speaker 15: So there are lots of different ways into women's safety services provides a lot of different help. I mean, even speak to your local GP or trusted educators that you have in your school or trusted adults in your life. It's always a good place to start. The pathways into support are going to differ for each person.
01:41:59
Speaker 2: And as I say, it's something you think might have been done in the past, but it hasn't been, but it is now. So you've got to start somewhere, don't you?
01:42:05
Speaker 11: Exactly.
01:42:05
Speaker 2: So it's incredible that the relationship has been created. Good luck with it. If we can help in any way, shape or form, you're always welcome back. So let us know how.
01:42:13
Speaker 5: We can help.
01:42:14
Speaker 15: Just having this conversation on the radio is an important part of that, and we're grateful to 5AA and yourself for doing that.
01:42:19
Speaker 2: Well done. Alice Rolls, Minister for Domestic, Family and Sexual Violence, our guest, and Hannah Park, H-A-N-A.
01:42:26
Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.
01:42:27
Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
01:42:28
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel your pain, Hannah. See, we're bonding. We knew straight away. We'll take a short break. 23 after three now. Headlines very shortly with Mel Usher. On the other side of 3.30, you're in for a treat. Amber Joy Poulton is here. She has a show coming up here in Adelaide, which is celebrating the world of women. Olivia Newton-John, Shania Twain and more. The show is called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. We will give you a chance to hear that just after 3.30. We also have our $ 50 Quincy's confectionery voucher, our afternoon delight, 50 years of superb locally made chocolate. You can shop in store or online at quincy.com.au. We want to hear your highlights of the weekend. Good news? Anything happen over the weekend that you would like to share? Maybe you went to one of the many festivals across the weekend or functions and get-togethers from the Bay to Birdwood to Cheese Fest to the Lucky Dumpling Market or perhaps even the Heinle Street Country Club, which was excellent on Saturday night. Geoff from Glenelg North before we get to headlines. Geoffrey?
01:43:34
Speaker 11: No, no, no.
01:43:35
Speaker 7: Henley Beach.
01:43:36
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry. I'll have to change the screen, Geoff.
01:43:41
Speaker 5: How many minutes have you got?
01:43:44
Speaker 2: About two.
01:43:45
Speaker 7: Oh, okay. I'll have to bring back another day.
01:43:49
Speaker 10: All right.
01:43:49
Speaker 2: You need a longer discussion?
01:43:51
Speaker 16: Oh, much longer because I'm going to try and explain the demise of trams.
01:43:58
Speaker 2: Oh, all right. I'll tell you what. We will call you back. When we have more time, we will get you on, Jeff, and we'll deep dive into that. I know a lot of people aren't happy. With the tramp situation now and what that has led to, the fallout from that. But, yes, a little tighter time-wise, Geoffrey, than we are at night where sometimes we can talk for a little bit longer. But we will give you a call back. I do promise. 3.30 headlines with Mel next.
01:44:21
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:44:23
Speaker 2: How fast were they going at Tennyson?
01:44:26
Speaker 17: 112 in a 60 zone. Military ride.
01:44:31
Speaker 2: Don't you think? This is where I want to go all shock jock, Bob Francis style. You're done. You had your chance.
01:44:37
Speaker 17: And you were a P-blader.
01:44:38
Speaker 2: You blew it.
01:44:39
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:44:39
Speaker 2: You don't get to drive. Driving is not a right. Driving is a privilege.
01:44:44
Speaker 7: That's true.
01:44:44
Speaker 17: That's true.
01:44:45
Speaker 2: You do 63, 64 in a 60 zone. I get it. We all slip occasionally. When you're doing double, come on.
01:44:53
Speaker 17: Yeah, what kind of demerit points do you get for that, particularly on your P's? You might not be driving again for quite some time.
01:44:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the biggest middle finger of all time. It's like, I'm on my P's. I know I have to behave, but no. In a 60 zone?
01:45:06
Speaker 17: I don't think I've ever done 112 Ks in the city area, in the metro area.
01:45:11
Speaker 6: No.
01:45:12
Speaker 17: Maybe I might have slipped up to 112 in a 110 zone.
01:45:16
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:45:17
Speaker 17: But not in a 60 zone.
01:45:18
Speaker 2: Not in a 60 zone. And then you feel nervous. You're like, oh, I've done two. Is there any speed cameras around?
01:45:23
Speaker 17: I know. There's also a lot of traffic in the metro area. So I don't know on a lot of roads how you could break the limit.
01:45:28
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I feel nervous going through an RPT and I haven't drunk alcohol in four decades. But I still go, oh, here we go.
01:45:35
Speaker 17: I know. I see them like, you know, they pull you over and I hardly ever drink. So I sort of go, yeah. And then they go. Okay, because I'm on the road at odd hours, working odd hours here at the station. So I think they think, oh, I think we've got you.
01:45:48
Speaker 2: Have I had a brandy snap? Would that blow me over 0.05?
01:45:51
Speaker 17: And I always ask. I say, so what did I blow? And they go, oh, 0.00. I go, oh, thank you.
01:45:57
Speaker 2: And then you sort of have a headboard as you walk out. Mel, thank you. We'll see you at four. Take that person's licence.
01:46:03
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:46:06
Speaker 2: All right, you're in for a treat. 26 minutes to four. We always try with the live stream because you can see us on Facebook and YouTube if you tune in right now. We always try to really spruce up the last hour, you know, give you something to watch as well as listen to. Amber Joy Poulton is here because she's doing a show on the 21st of November. It's called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. It is the songs of Linda Ronstadt, Tammy Wynette, Olivia Newton-John, and Shania Twain, and she joins me. Lovely to see you. Thank you for coming in.
01:46:37
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
01:46:38
Speaker 2: Hey, congratulations on your career.
01:46:40
Speaker 19: Oh, thanks.
01:46:41
Speaker 2: I know it's been going for a while, and I know you've achieved a lot and done a lot, but I was just having this conversation with you off air. I remember when you first sort of hit the scene, which would have been when, roughly?
01:46:52
Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, I've been singing since I can remember, but I think it was in 2010. I sort of went to Tamworth for the Toyota StarMaker event, But I've been playing in pubs and clubs around Adelaide for years before that. But country music kicked off for me probably in 2010.
01:47:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when I think you got the national recognition. And, of course, as I said to you off-air, we know your husband, Jared Poulton, because he was a star for Port Adelaide and kicked that goal that everyone still talks about.
01:47:18
Speaker 3: Yes, I know. It's amazing how that memory still kicks on. Once a year it comes out on social media.
01:47:23
Speaker 2: So he was, like, doing things and then all of a sudden it was like, oh– Amber's into music not knowing your background.
01:47:30
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:47:30
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you're taking off like a rocket over the next, what, 15 or so years?
01:47:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been touring Australia with A Coal Miner's Daughter.
01:47:38
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:47:38
Speaker 3: So that's a theatre show that sort of has been close to my heart and we've been touring that probably– Well, since 2017, every year.
01:47:47
Speaker 9: All year.
01:47:48
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:47:48
Speaker 3: But we gave it a rest last year. So we've got this new show.
01:47:51
Speaker 2: You've got the new show, which I'm going to talk to you about in depth in a second. Now, I should say you brought in a special guest today too, although I'm told he's not talking. Is that right?
01:47:59
Speaker 3: He will speak if we make him. It's Anthony Stewart. He's been my guitarist for.
01:48:03
Speaker 2: Many, many years. Anthony, lovely to see you. Thank you for coming across. I think I heard you say I'm not speaking. Oh, not much. Well, we're always happy to have you.
01:48:11
Speaker 3: It's how I like them.
01:48:12
Speaker 2: That's right. Hey, so can we go back to the origin? Where was the country music bug for you? Did you grow up in a house of country music? Did you stumble across an album and thought, right.
01:48:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kenny Rogers for me. I grew up listening to him. In the car with the tape.
01:48:30
Speaker 2: Cassette.
01:48:30
Speaker 19: Yeah.
01:48:31
Speaker 2: Me too.
01:48:31
Speaker 3: 20 Greatest Hits. You used to get the biro if you needed to tighten up the ribbon on the tape.
01:48:36
Speaker 2: Remember that? Can I tell you, we had that exact cassette and we used to listen religiously because my dad was big on Kenny.
01:48:40
Speaker 15: Oh, yeah.
01:48:41
Speaker 2: And of all his great songs, Lucille, you know, Reuben James and The Gambler, obviously, there was one on that CD. Martin, John, what's that song? Abraham, Martin and John.
01:48:54
Speaker 19: Oh.
01:48:54
Speaker 2: Do you know that song?
01:48:54
Speaker 3: On that album?
01:48:55
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's on that album or one of those. And it was one of the, like, we could just listen to that. Rewind it back so you could listen again.
01:49:02
Speaker 3: For me, it was Ruby.
01:49:03
Speaker 12: Ruby.
01:49:04
Speaker 3: Don't take your love to town.
01:49:05
Speaker 2: Don't take your love to town.
01:49:06
Speaker 7: Harsh song, lyrically.
01:49:08
Speaker 3: Poor old Ruby.
01:49:10
Speaker 2: So great, though, wasn't he, Kim?
01:49:11
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:49:12
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he was great. So we actually supported him when he came to Australia. So I had my full circle moment, the greatest day of my life.
01:49:18
Speaker 2: So this would have been 10 years ago?
01:49:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. Entertainment Centre?
01:49:21
Speaker 2: So twice, actually.
01:49:22
Speaker 3: The two times he came to Adelaide.
01:49:23
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:49:24
Speaker 3: One was in, I think it was the Adelaide Festival Theatre.
01:49:28
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:49:29
Speaker 3: I don't remember what the other one was.
01:49:30
Speaker 2: I saw him here and it was about a week aside from Dolly Parton. She played and then he played. And it was both in similar weeks or around the same month.
01:49:39
Speaker 3: Well, he was a very friendly man, very lovely, generous with his time. His band were wonderful. We were all sort of fanning around.
01:49:48
Speaker 2: Of course.
01:49:49
Speaker 3: Trying to just get a little bit of sweat from him. Anything that we could say we touched Kenny Rogers.
01:49:54
Speaker 2: He put something down, it was automatically pinched and put away.
01:49:57
Speaker 3: That's right.
01:49:58
Speaker 2: Understandable.
01:49:58
Speaker 3: I loved him because I loved his storytelling, which is what country music is all about for me.
01:50:03
Speaker 2: So the bug is there. And then I guess you're listening to everything, aren't you? Do you think that not only as a fan, but do you think that affected your music, your singer songwriting?
01:50:12
Speaker 3: Definitely songwriting side of things.
01:50:14
Speaker 19: But I.
01:50:15
Speaker 3: We listened to country music growing up, but then I moved to Port Lincoln for a little while, and that's where I started singing. And I was singing Divinals, Melissa Etheridge, Baby Animals, really sort of rock. And I loved that too, but it didn't have the story aspect that I love. And so then when I got married, when I moved back to Adelaide, I played in a band called Flirt. Some of your listeners may remember.
01:50:39
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
01:50:39
Speaker 3: And we played at the Havelock and at the Planet and the Office. We were just all weekend.
01:50:44
Speaker 2: Have you seen the Planet now?
01:50:46
Speaker 3: I think I'm allergic to it.
01:50:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people bypass that part of Perry Street for sure.
01:50:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that sort of kept me busy for a while. And then when I got married and had children, I wasn't really into the nightclubs anymore, as you can probably imagine.
01:50:59
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
01:51:00
Speaker 3: That's when I sort of got asked to fill in as a June Carter for a Johnny Cash show.
01:51:04
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:51:04
Speaker 3: And I realised there wasn't a listening audience out there that weren't intoxicated and wouldn't remember anything about us the next day. So I thought, I'm going to get into that again. And that's sort of when I bounced back to my roots.
01:51:15
Speaker 2: And now, look at you.
01:51:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't do anything else now.
01:51:18
Speaker 2: Now you're on fire. How does the whole Tamworth experience?
01:51:21
Speaker 3: Tamworth, it's a beast. It's really, it's an interesting place. Beast, yeah. I mean, anyone can play in Tamworth. I think there's a notion that you have to be invited or it's exclusive. But anyone, I mean, you could do a Milli Vanilli tribute if you wanted at Tamworth, so long as you were willing to pay for it and take the loss or the win yourself.
01:51:42
Speaker 19: Really?
01:51:42
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
01:51:43
Speaker 3: Anyone can go.
01:51:43
Speaker 2: Do you want to do a Milli Vanilli tribute?
01:51:47
Speaker 11: No?
01:51:47
Speaker 7: No, I don't think I'm needed for that.
01:51:48
Speaker 3: All right, okay. Well, you only get a mime.
01:51:50
Speaker 2: That's true.
01:51:50
Speaker 5: Easy.
01:51:51
Speaker 2: Someone has to sing, but we'll maybe play a tape.
01:51:53
Speaker 3: So, yeah, Tamworth's good, but it's always very hot.
01:51:55
Speaker 11: Yep.
01:51:56
Speaker 3: It can rain at the drop of a hat when you're playing live outside. You're competing. Like if I was going to do a show in Adelaide and I found out that Troy Cassadaly was playing, the next day I'd cancel because why would I play against him?
01:52:09
Speaker 2: Correct.
01:52:10
Speaker 3: But in Tamworth, we're all there and we're all feasting on the same audience. So it's like, you know, it's pretty, yeah.
01:52:17
Speaker 2: Two things I've noticed, Amber, from the country music. So a quick name drop. Casey Chambers is my cousin. I'm related to the Chambers. So Di, mum, Mrs Chambers, is my dad's first cousin. Casey and my grandparents' grandfathers were brothers. So we've grown up with them and we know sort of the industry from that. So the thing that I've always taken away is, number one, everyone we've ever met through them, The Becky Coles of the world, the Lee Kernighans of the world, who all played with the ringers at some stage. The nicest people ever. It's the nicest genre of music ever. I've never met someone who wasn't. Nice. Yeah, well, I mean, of course. Maybe there is one or two.
01:52:55
Speaker 3: Of course, there would be, yeah, for sure. But you don't stay friends with them.
01:52:58
Speaker 2: The other one is the travel that you guys do because the beauty of country music is that you get to go to every great little town, nook and cranny around this country.
01:53:06
Speaker 3: Country music's in the country.
01:53:08
Speaker 2: People love it. And I think what an exciting aspect for you.
01:53:11
Speaker 3: We've been to many a small town and many a big town. Yeah. We've done it all and sometimes you get embraced and sometimes you wonder if anyone knows you're there.
01:53:21
Speaker 2: But don't you think it's nice for them because they always get missed out?
01:53:23
Speaker 3: They love it. It's probably the only audience, country music audience, it's got to be the only genre of people that will come up to you after a show and say, thank you for coming.
01:53:33
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:53:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:53:35
Speaker 3: And definitely what you were saying before, I'm very good friends with Becky and she has been very good to me in this industry, raising me up and putting a spotlight on me when Whenever she can. So, yeah, there is that generosity within the scene.
01:53:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed that too. People are happy to.
01:53:52
Speaker 3: We hang out. Like, it's good. You know, you just sit around and just talk about the industry. And, yeah, it is lovely.
01:53:57
Speaker 2: We had that conversation once about the ladder. So, you climb the ladder in the tree. There are some people, once they get to the top levels of the tree, they pull the ladder up so other people don't join them. Yeah, I love that. Country music people leave the ladder down.
01:54:09
Speaker 3: You know what? That's nice.
01:54:10
Speaker 2: Come and join us. Let's all get on the same train.
01:54:11
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, also, the other thing is we can sing country music until we're dead. So it's one of those industries where you don't have to stop because you're too old. So, you know, going up ladders is going to get harder, isn't it?
01:54:22
Speaker 2: So you do the coal miners, Dawn, you're doing that right around the country and that's uber popular. People are loving you for that. Then you decide, right, I'm going to do the women of the industry. I guess in men I feel like a woman. So obviously what I love, is the sort of the breadth of period of time too because you're not just doing old school. Tammy Winnett's probably the oldest, I guess, of this group.
01:54:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's probably the golden oldie there.
01:54:46
Speaker 2: And she's got incredible songs. Linda and Olivia Newton-John are kind of in the same era, I guess, 70s, 80s through the 90s. And then the explosion of Shania Twain mid-90s, I guess. So you're covering all bases.
01:54:59
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:55:00
Speaker 3: The reason I selected these women was because, I find it really interesting in country music that the audience will tell you whether you're country or not. They will say, that's not country. Yes. They will tell you. They are the guys that will tell you whether you're playing country, true country music or not.
01:55:17
Speaker 2: As Beyonce found out.
01:55:18
Speaker 7: Yes, exactly right.
01:55:19
Speaker 2: That's not country. Just because you're calling it Texas.
01:55:22
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
01:55:23
Speaker 2: Does not mean that it's country.
01:55:24
Speaker 3: You are spot on with what I'm saying. But I always find it really interesting that, Linda Ronstadt is embraced wholly and solely by the country music lovers.
01:55:34
Speaker 19: She's rock.
01:55:35
Speaker 2: She is rock.
01:55:36
Speaker 3: Olivia Newton-John is adored by the country music industry. She was more folk and then she was pop.
01:55:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of disco.
01:55:42
Speaker 3: And Shania Twain, arguably, is a little bit pop. And so I put Tammy Wynette in there to hold them all accountable.
01:55:49
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:55:50
Speaker 3: But I just find it really interesting. So I'm giving the country music audience the songs that they have deemed country and we're fighting it out in like a committee meeting style forum where the band is called the Governing Bodies and the audience are the quorum. And so they get to vote by the end of the night. who is the new queen of country of Adelaide. So there will be a queen crowned.
01:56:14
Speaker 2: Nice.
01:56:15
Speaker 3: And it's ironic because it's never been Tammy Wynette yet and she is the most country out of all of them.
01:56:21
Speaker 2: Come on, Tammy.
01:56:22
Speaker 3: So I ask you country music audiences, what do you want?
01:56:24
Speaker 2: This is it. The 21st of November, that's when we're going to vote. The beauty is, I mean, it's always been great. It doesn't feel like there's ever been a lull internationally or locally. Like Slim held up for so long and Joy was doing incredible work.
01:56:38
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:56:39
Speaker 2: And then it's sort of the baton gets passed, and then it's the Lees of the world, and then obviously Casey, and then a few others after that. Internationally, it's kind of the same. Like Dolly, think of what Dolly did. Dolly and Kenny for so long.
01:56:51
Speaker 3: I know, yeah.
01:56:52
Speaker 2: And now you look at the explosion of country music.
01:56:54
Speaker 3: It's huge at the moment. I agree with you. I didn't think it– people were saying when Beyonce did it.
01:56:58
Speaker 2: The Lickhomes and the Zach Ryans and all of these, they're as big. And the fact that they sell out, you know, right across Australia too, when we're You know, we're not certainly the South of America or parts of that. It's a great credit to the industry.
01:57:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's doing something at the moment. When Beyonce released that album, everyone was saying, oh, country music's going to go crazy. I was like, I'll believe it when I see it. But I think it really is happening. The only issue we have at the moment is obviously the price of travelling.
01:57:26
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:57:27
Speaker 3: Because travelling to these rural towns is becoming more difficult with the price of petrol.
01:57:32
Speaker 2: The price of diesel in a rural town would be nasty.
01:57:34
Speaker 3: That's right. So I live three hours out of Adelaide in Corny Point. So for me to come to Adelaide, it's $ 200. So, you know, to expect the audience to pay for a ticket.
01:57:43
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:57:43
Speaker 3: And then, you know, that's the only thing that's increasingly harder. But if the popularity of country music keeps going the way it is, I think 2027 is going to be great for touring.
01:57:51
Speaker 2: So I was very lucky we grew up with it, but then I got to experience life in America in the 90s. Oh, did you? And I hit the Garth Brooks, Brooks and Dunn, Dixie Chicks era.
01:58:01
Speaker 3: Nice selection.
01:58:02
Speaker 2: Oh, my Lord. And so then they become your favourites ever. And I know that Dixies are now the chicks, but to see them have great chart success too.
01:58:10
Speaker 3: Well, they're on their way back too.
01:58:11
Speaker 2: Encourages more.
01:58:12
Speaker 3: They've got something new coming as well.
01:58:13
Speaker 11: Good.
01:58:14
Speaker 3: It's all happening.
01:58:15
Speaker 2: It is all happening. We're going to take a short break. On the other side, we will hear. What are we going to hear?
01:58:20
Speaker 3: We thought we'd do a Linda Ronstadt song.
01:58:21
Speaker 2: That's the 5AA. Well, all of them, to be fair, are the 5AA demo. That makes you feel old, though, sometimes when you think, Like Olivia's hits were in the 80s. They're 40 years ago.
01:58:29
Speaker 3: But they're so great. The songs are timeless.
01:58:32
Speaker 2: Even Shania is like a good almost 30 years now.
01:58:37
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if she can still do it, we can still do it.
01:58:40
Speaker 2: She was on Glastonbury, I think, a couple of years ago.
01:58:41
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, she's very trendy and hip and happening.
01:58:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's all over it. We're going to do the songs of Linda Ronstadt on the other side of the break. Man, I Feel Like a Woman, 21st of November. This is going to be a lot of fun. You can go to theregaltheatre.com.au. Man, I Feel Like a Woman. You can get your tickets there. This will be a show to believe, and we will hear the dulcet tones of Amber Joy Poulton on the other side. So we love some live music on the radio. You can see this on our YouTube and Facebook live stream, as well as here at Amberjoy Poulton is here. She's doing the music of Shania Twain, Olivia Newton-John, Linda Ronstadt, Tammy Wynette. The show is called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. You can go to theregaltheatre.com.au the 21st of November, 7.30pm. And we'll put all of the details on our socials as well. Anthony's about to play the guitar. Amber's about to belt out a tune. Take it away.
01:59:44
Speaker 10: I've been cheated, been mistreated.
01:59:50
Speaker 12: When will I be loved? I've been put down I've been pushed round Where will I be loved?
02:00:12
Speaker 3: When I find a new.
02:00:14
Speaker 12: Man That I want for mine He always breaks my heart in two.
02:00:22
Speaker 3: It happens every time I've been made blue. I've been lied to.
02:00:35
Speaker 12: When will I be loved? When I find a new man that I want for mine.
02:00:48
Speaker 2: He always breaks my heart in two.
02:00:52
Speaker 3: It happens every time.
02:00:59
Speaker 10: I've been cheated, been mistreated.
02:01:05
Speaker 12: When will I be loved? When will I be loved? Tell me when will I be loved?
02:01:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. Gosh, you've got a good voice. Everyone talks about powerhouse vocals.
02:01:37
Speaker 10: Oh.
02:01:37
Speaker 2: That's nice. Thank you.
02:01:38
Speaker 3: That's very nice.
02:01:39
Speaker 2: I love it when you've got to sit back from the mic.
02:01:41
Speaker 3: I've been told more than once in my life that I'm very loud.
02:01:44
Speaker 2: What's the road trip like from Corny Point to here? You guys must have been bailing out some chants.
02:01:48
Speaker 3: Well, I'm the only one from Corny Point, but no, I just listen to podcasts and the radio.
02:01:52
Speaker 4: Wow.
02:01:53
Speaker 3: I know, no music.
02:01:54
Speaker 2: No, you should wind the windows down and let the locals.
02:01:56
Speaker 3: Enjoy it as you go on.
02:01:57
Speaker 7: No, it's funny, isn't it?
02:01:58
Speaker 3: The more you do it, the less you do it, I suppose, on your quiet time.
02:02:02
Speaker 2: Beautifully done. Now, I think that's always a great way to advertise. There's a little snapshot of the talent that you get for the entire night. No, beautiful. Like it sounded like, close my eyes, it was Linda.
02:02:12
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Well, we do try to sound as much as we can like the women in the show.
02:02:17
Speaker 2: Well done.
02:02:18
Speaker 3: But, yeah, there's some great songs in the show. It's a very good night. It's a fun thing for the audience.
02:02:24
Speaker 2: Shania Twain, Libby Newton, John Tammy and Linda Ronstadt who were just– give me one. What's your all-time favourite of the four? Is there one– have you got a closer that you just think this is.
02:02:33
Speaker 3: My– I know that the audience really loves Shania Twain and I'm happy for them. When I'm doing her songs, I'm happy that they're happy. But I think my favourite would be Linda Ronstadt followed very closely by Tammy because I just love her. I think she's classy and she gave her whole life to country music. You know, she was married six times and I think in the end.
02:02:57
Speaker 2: Well, plenty of fodder for a country song.
02:02:59
Speaker 12: Yeah, I know.
02:03:00
Speaker 3: A lot of her life was country music. She should have probably just left the men alone.
02:03:03
Speaker 10: Yeah.
02:03:03
Speaker 3: No luck there. But, yeah, it's a great show. There's lots of interesting information in there.
02:03:07
Speaker 2: I was about to say, storytelling too as well as song.
02:03:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, because as part of the show, having to get it through the committee, I have to give them some information about their lives and why they should be considered- queen of Adelaide.
02:03:20
Speaker 2: Yes.
02:03:21
Speaker 3: So that's up to the audience to decide at the end of the night who is the queen.
02:03:24
Speaker 2: Love it. Is there an actual crown?
02:03:26
Speaker 3: Oh, why don't we have a crown, Anthony?
02:03:29
Speaker 2: Anthony, find a crown if you can, please. Get the crown. You've got some time between now and the particular show. Lovely to have you both in. Thank you so much for sharing your talents.
02:03:36
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
02:03:37
Speaker 2: Regal Theatre, folks. Put it in the diary. 21st of November. Tickets available?
02:03:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:03:44
Speaker 2: Skates on?
02:03:45
Speaker 11: Yep.
02:03:45
Speaker 3: Downstairs is almost full and we're up to the balcony now.
02:03:48
Speaker 2: Okay. So great. There's not a bad seat in the Regal. 21st of November, 7.30, you'll enjoy four of the absolute greats of the industry. You can book your tickets at theregaltheatre.com.au. That is Amber Joy Poulton. Anthony, beautifully played.
02:04:03
Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
02:04:05
Speaker 2: Well done. We'll see you in November. Great to see you. Five minutes to four now.
02:04:09
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
02:04:13
Speaker 2: Someone else who has a lovely singing voice, S. Rowe, Here After Fall with Tim Ginniver.
02:04:17
Speaker 1: I sang once at the Nord Town Hall with Barry Ian and the Dizzy Raymond.
02:04:21
Speaker 2: Cracklin' Rosie?
02:04:23
Speaker 1: No, I Am I Said.
02:04:25
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.
02:04:26
Speaker 1: And an old lady in the front row threw a bread roll at my head. It spooked me and I had to start again.
02:04:30
Speaker 2: Can I just sadden you for a second before you tell us what's on the show? This is going to make you feel old. I reckon you called the Jared Poulton goal.
02:04:37
Speaker 11: I reckon I did.
02:04:38
Speaker 7: SCG.
02:04:39
Speaker 2: Port Adelaide after the Sorent. That was 2002. Oh, God. That's 24 years ago Jared Poulton kicked that goal.
02:04:47
Speaker 7: It was amazing.
02:04:48
Speaker 2: Because I said to Amber off-air, I said, what about that goal? And she goes, the goal.
02:04:51
Speaker 8: The goal.
02:04:52
Speaker 2: You'd be dining out on that forever, as you would. It was a cracking kick.
02:04:55
Speaker 1: Well, you dream about that as a kid, don't you? to kick the goal after the Soren.
02:05:00
Speaker 2: To win again. So Barry Hall kicks it. They're four points up the Swans. Jarrah Poulton gets the goal. Bang. Port Adelaide win.
02:05:07
Speaker 1: Number 27, Jarrah Poulton.
02:05:07
Speaker 2: That's him. The blonde shock of kind of surfy hair.
02:05:11
Speaker 1: Hey, Murray Davis is staying. We're going to chat to Campo over that and his.
02:05:17
Speaker 1: Well, apparently he's been sought out, so we'll get the truth after five.
02:05:21
Speaker 2: Yep.
02:05:22
Speaker 1: Dizzy Gillespie on the second test was watched out. I've never seen a captain.
02:05:27
Speaker 7: Call Will Boll quicker. Yeah.
02:05:29
Speaker 1: The thing was up, and before it hit the ground, Will Boll!
02:05:32
Speaker 2: Scotty Boland's statue was being rebuilt as he was just rolling in for ball one.
02:05:37
Speaker 1: That was a great selection.
02:05:38
Speaker 11: Lion out.
02:05:39
Speaker 1: Bowling in. And 36ers, Zion and Cheatham. The 36ers beat the Tassie.
02:05:44
Speaker 3: They beat Sydney.
02:05:44
Speaker 7: They're back for all.
02:05:46
Speaker 1: On an even kill.
02:05:48
Speaker 7: Love it.
02:05:48
Speaker 1: The Reds start this Sunday. So all our beloved summer sports teams, season on.
02:05:54
Speaker 2: Love it. And the AFLW continue to. Rowie, thank you. We'll see you at four o'clock. Thank you for that. That's a term of endearment for those who are new to the show. We have tickets to another great show that's coming to Adelaide. Mario Maiolo presents Country Royalty. It's the music of Hank Williams and Patsy Cline, Johnny Cash and more. 16th of January at Her Majesty's. First caller through.
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Speaker 7: 8223 0055.
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Speaker 2: We'd love you to get along and see the Country Royalty show. And congratulations, Jim, from Woodville West. You have won the Quincy's $ 50 confectionery voucher coming your way. Shop in-store or online, quincy.com.au. We'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Local topical fun this is afternoons with leith boris.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much mel good afternoon everybody welcome along to the show happy monday to you it is six minutes after 1 19th day of october hope you had a terrific weekend hope you've had a great monday so far start of a new week fresh week of interesting shows for you ahead plenty to comment on You can do that at any time, 8223 0000. Big show on the way for you today. We'll start very shortly by discussing what on earth is going on in France.
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Speaker 3: These protests did start off peaceful.
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Speaker 4: There were tens of thousands of people gathered in the Place de la République, but they did turn violent.
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Speaker 3: We did see protesters.
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Speaker 4: clashing with police.
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Speaker 3: We've seen plenty of.
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Speaker 4: Buildings today looted, smashed windows and doors. It's not just isolated to the French capital here. We have seen these protests really widespread across much other parts of the country in some of the major towns and cities. But there has been a significant day of action here in the heart of Paris.
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about what's happening right now in France, and we'll find out if it's just fear-mongering and political point-scoring. Or is there any chance that we could see similar type protests and behaviours here in Australia? Because Barnaby Joyce thinks so.
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Speaker 1: Quite obviously what we see in France is people who don't like France.
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Speaker 5: In fact, they want to burn France down.
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Speaker 6: And we can see that sort of fracturous environment, not only in France, but in other countries as well.
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Speaker 7: When you don't have.
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Speaker 1: When you're not, you know, basically have common sense in who you import into Australia.
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Speaker 7: you're going to import problems.
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Speaker 2: So we'll find out if that is real or not. We'll speak to an expert on France very shortly. Mike Smithson returns. He will join us with the very latest in state politics. I know an in daily. He has done a six-month report card on the government, so we'll speak to Smitho about that. We'll talk this afternoon about training the next generation of early childhood educators in the care sector. Such an important role when you're guiding through the next generations. Dr Derek McNair will be here to answer all of your pet questions that you might have. If everything is well at home with the dogs and the cats, we want to hear about it on the show this afternoon. The Minister for Domestic, Family and Sexual Violence will be joining us live in the studio this afternoon. There is a new network that has been created giving children and young people a direct say when it comes to reform, which is certainly needed because sadly the younger voices are the ones that are often overlooked. So we'll speak to the Minister about that. On a musical front, Amber Joy Poulton will join us. She has a new show coming soon. It's called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. It's the music of Linda Ronstadt and Tammy Wynette. Olivia Newton-John and Shania Twain. So Amber will be here for a chat and a tune. I believe she's bringing in the guitar, which will be fun. And our afternoon delight today. $ 50 voucher to Quincy's could be yours this afternoon. I would love to hear today between now and four, your highlight of the weekend. Big or small, it does not matter. Something that brought you joy over the weekend. Now, maybe you might have ventured out. There was lots on across the weekend. Cheese Fest and the Lucky Dumpling Market, the Phil Hoppin Travel Expo, Beta Birdwood, hundreds if not thousands of people at all of those across the weekend. Maybe you heard something on 5AA that tickled your fancy. You can talk about that. Something closer to home, perhaps. New show that you're watching you want to recommend to people. Maybe it's a movie you saw across the weekend. You can let us know, 8223 0000 for our afternoon delight. For me, it was a little bit of a tie. Had a great weekend. Friday night, we had a quiz night supporting the Little Heroes Foundation with disability providers, Jupiter Supports and My Mind Matters. It was at the Cecilia Club in Klemzig, which is an excellent location. And I just have to say that the staff there are superb. And what I found out on the night is they're all big fans of the show. So a very big hello to Josie and Maria and Pam and Graz and Marco. They all said, make sure you say hello. So I'm doing that. They were excellent. We look forward already to next year, which is about this time next year. So thank you, Cecilia Club in Clemson for your hospitality. That was terrific. And then we backed that up on Saturday night and my lovely wife and I got to sit with 6,000 of South Australia's finest, at the entertainment centre for the Heinle Street Country Club. What a show that was. What a night it was. Extraordinary when you think this is an Adelaide band playing covers who started pretty much during COVID for something to do, and they are now selling out the biggest venue in this city. Lots of love in the room too for them. And a number of 5AA people were there. Heaps of people came up and said hello, which was great. So if you have not seen them before live, you can do that too because they also... announced on the night that their next concert will be around this time next year. So I can guarantee it. If you love classical music, not classical in the Beethoven sense, but just songs that are classics, they do them all in a good two and a half hour set. And they sound exactly, if not better than the original. So Hindley Street Country Club, if you went, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that this afternoon as well. Lots on the show to get to. 8223 0000. 044-808-1395, or you can send me a text. Next, we find out what is happening in France.
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Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leap Forest.
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Speaker 2: We will not yield.
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Speaker 3: Listening and dialogue do not mean weakness or impunity.
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Speaker 7: I express the nation's support for our law enforcement and internal security forces. They have held their ground and done their best.
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Speaker 8: Our thoughts are with the many injured and their families.
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Speaker 2: So what is happening in France? Why the widespread nationwide protests? Why the civil unrest? Why the 800,000-plus on the streets, many of those, violent, looting? Let's try and find out. Let's speak to an expert. Dr Stephen Alomes is the Adjunct Associate Professor at the Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation at Deakin University. He joins me this afternoon. Dr Alomes, thanks for your time. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 9: Thank you, Dave.
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Speaker 2: Is it a simple answer what's happening in France right now?
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Speaker 9: I think there is no simple answer. No one quite knows. Let's put the bits together. Number one, the student protests which have gone on for several weeks. high school students, university students complaining about the physical condition of their classrooms, the shortage of teachers, the non-replacement of absent teachers. So that was the main thing. And if you look up Facebook, you'll see lots of people getting into a state about whether it's safe to walk along the streets. The original advice I gave people was you just start walking on the street by the high school where there are some demonstrations. So that That was the simple story. We've gone on for several weeks and we've had similar protests in Belgium, in Italy and Portugal as well. And in Albania, there's completely different protests about a corrupt government. So then we move on to the weekend. The biggest protest in France since May 1968, where a kind of revolution of the streets effectively drove Charles de Gaulle out of power. And look, The thing is that the French like public protests. They like picketing. They like street obstructions. The farmers have also done it as well. They put their tractors and other things to block the streets. So what's going on? If we go back to a few years ago, the yellow vests, that was another protest of people who were under pressure economics. And it also began, interestingly enough, with the cost of fuel. You've got the problem in France and other Western countries, inflation, rising prices, rising cost of housing. And the government, of course, has got this massive debt. The French debt, I think, is 120%. National debt is 120% of GDP. The Australian debt is about 60%. So the government has been trying to save money in various places, but it's not doing provided things, as in the whole Western world, isn't making life more affordable for everyone. There's no easy solution to that. It's trying to lower the pension retirement age. I think the French pension retirement age is somewhere in the mid-60s, whereas Australia and many other countries, it's somewhere in the low 60s. You can get the pension in the low 60s. If you're a teacher or a police or a fireman, I think you used to be able to get the pension about $ 50. So basically, like all Western countries, the world has become more expensive. Everything has become less affordable. So what we actually have, we have an actual organized general protest at the weekend, which was much, much bigger and much more aggressive than the student protests. But the question is, how do we get to the other end of that protest, which is the violence and the aggression? It's... It's very hard to know. I mean, some people just think, well, there's a wild protest in the streets, I'll break into a fancy shoe shop or a fancy jewelry shop. shop and steal a few things. So you've got the edge of the protest, which is the minority, but extremely violent and also looting. You've also got the police, who some of the time are fine, other times they're throwing things, grenades at the protesters and one got hit in the chin. Another one lost an eye. Another one, I think, had their hand blown off. So the Macron government is a kind of middling government, sort of centre-right, centre-left. It has not been able to solve the economic problems of France, which have been around now for quite a few years. It hasn't been able to make life more affordable, hasn't been able to lower housing. That sounds pretty familiar, but most countries in the Western world are exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 10: Yes.
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Speaker 9: And we've got an election coming up in next Northern Spring. On the far right, you've got Marine Le Pen of the National Front. They've got a new name, but it's always called the National Front. And on the far left, you've got a man called Jean-Luc Mélenchon. He runs an organisation called France Unbowed. We won't bow to what they're telling us we've got to do. And Macron is in the middle. He hasn't got a natural successor at the moment. So I think in terms of analysis, the analysis is actually very, very similar to the mess on the streets. It's horrifically messy. There's no simple explanation. And it may, of course, the protests may disappear. October and May tend to be two of the protesting seasons in France. Again, it is a French tradition.
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Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 9: So in one sense, it's not a big deal to be out on the streets, but it is a big deal to be burning cars and looting shops. So I don't think I've answered your question.
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Speaker 2: No, I know you have. I mean, you've added so much to it. Do you see the information and then the misinformation, the news reporting on this too? It's interesting to see other groups now take on this. Like I've seen reporting across the weekend, Stephen, where they are suggesting that these are immigrant-led protests. and it's all about the overtaking of France. Again, do we know enough to know, is there an element to that? Are these just people who are hijacking normally?
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Speaker 9: I think it's hijacked. I'm often in France around May, and I'll sometimes go and have a look at the big May Day demonstration, which is the traditional Labor Day. And there's some immigrants because France is a, is a multicultural and diverse society. But basically, they're the mainstream of French society. And they found that Macron was a sort of theatrical character, charming, in a bit sort of Tony Blair in style. He hasn't delivered any solutions. He's like a lot of heads of government. It's much easier to focus on them. complexities of Ukraine than it is to solve the economic problems. And also France's debt is higher than the European Union wants to allow. As you remember, I think they really screwed Greece years ago because their debt was far too high. So given the debt and the government is trying to reduce the debt, it's not in a position where it can suddenly put a lot of money into schools and social welfare and housing and things like that. So It is indeed a mess, and there is no simple explanation except to say it's a mess which the government can't solve. Now, the probable result we're looking at at the moment is that Marine Le Pen will win the presidential election. The French presidential election has two tranches. There's the first one, and if you haven't got 50% in the first one, there's a second kind of runoff between the top two people. And the same as the rise of Pauline Hanson here. If you look at Pauline Hanson, 30 years in Parliament, achieved absolutely nothing except a few stunts, like the one video stump of, you see this, I've been killed, and another stunt in a book. Achieved absolutely nothing, but has become massively popular. Trump himself is a great theatrical performer who's on the side for people, although on the whole he tends to be more on the side of the, the California IT billionaires and his mates in property. So look, it's very, very hard to know what's happening. Even if you look across the channel at Britain, why did Britain vote for Brexit for getting out of Europe? It voted for getting out of Europe because it decided that life was becoming unaffordable and it blamed the elites. It didn't really blame, it basically blamed the elites in London, not the Europeans. So look, they're There is this intractable problem across the Western world.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 9: We have rising inequality, rising lack of affordability of housing. You look even at Spain. Spain, the government is having an election because they tried to bring in legislation to stop people being an older lady in her 80s being kicked out of the flat. That legislation didn't get through. That lady subsequently died. So across the Western world, you've got inequality. affordability of housing, lack of government money for social services, governments trying to cut budgets, not increase them. And funnily enough, Australia, which I think, as I said, got probably about 50%, 50% to 60% of GDP as national debt. We're actually in a very good position compared to everyone else, but I don't think you would find a young person trying to cope with increased rent or trying to buy a house would necessarily agree with that.
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Speaker 11: No.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Alombs is my guest, Dr Stephen Alombs from Deakin University Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation. So we're hearing the message, Stephen, that if we're not careful, this will happen to Australia. Any accuracy to that, or is that just fear-mongering?
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Speaker 9: I think there's a degree of accuracy. I don't think we'll see the violence in the streets, but I think we may see, as Marine Le Pen, Marine Le Pen has easily been defeated in other elections because the other party's won't deal with her. And similarly, the similar party in Germany, the Alternative for Deutschland, the right-wing party there, the other parties won't deal with them. So she's been defeated before, but we now see her as if she gets through her legal troubles because she's been scrutinized for legal problems of getting donations from outside of misusing donations. She is a likely winner. Now, in the same situation, Although Pauline Hanson is unlikely to form government in any state or federally, she is likely to be a significant player in the future. And a party is likely to win lots of seats. But as I said, in 30 years, she's done absolutely nothing. So I'm a little perplexed at the sudden appeal of the Orange Party.
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Speaker 2: So final question, and this is a first world problem, Stephen, because we see what's going on in France and the video is quite harrowing and you feel for shopkeepers who are getting caught up in this and tourists that are getting caught up in this. France is a beautiful spot for Australians to visit. We have a couple of employees here in our building who are meant to be in France in four or five or six weeks, sort of for that winter, sort of Christmas period. Do you sense that it'll be over by then or are we suggesting that there still might be issues in Paris and Marseille and Lyon going forward, kind of come Christmas time? Will this damage the tourism dollar?
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Speaker 9: Well, I saw one report this morning that suggested something or other might be happening on November the 5th. But look, generally, we only had actually one significant day, a horrific day, no doubt about that. You know, the burning of the town hall at Limoges and the tourist office in Leon, et cetera. But we only had one significant day so far. And as I said, October is a major protest month. I mean, it's partly the weather's a little bit milder. I think it's highly unlikely that there will be any dramatic events like this, except perhaps on November the 5th. Because once you move into winter, it's a bit like wars. The army's used to only fight wars in the summer. And the protest season particularly likes, I think, autumn and spring. And I don't think I don't think I'll have anything to worry about. But as I said, if you cross the road from Raidpool Bleak, there could be a demonstration there. And you could make a simple choice, which I made once. I just left the area because someone pointed out that eventually the tear gas might appear. So I watched the rest of the demo on television from my flat, which was nearby. So I don't think they'll have any problems, but I would advise them against reading too much Facebook and watching too much of the 6pm news, because that basically emphasises the most dramatic conflicts.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate your insight this afternoon. Fascinating. Thanks so much, Stephen.
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Speaker 9: A great pleasure, Lee.
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Speaker 2: All the best. Dr Stephen Alombs, Adjunct Associate Professor, the Institute of Citizenship and Globalisation there at Deakin University. just letting us know, as messy as it is, what's happening in France at the moment. Anywhere from 600,000 to 800,000 people, they're suggesting, who have been demonstrating across the French cities. Majority are peaceful, but as we saw across the weekend, groups hijacking the demonstrations, setting fire to buildings, looting shops, smashing and destroying government structures. There was somewhere between 1,800 and 2,000 arrests, we believe, interplayed. officers, all of that and more. President Emmanuel Macron with some work to do. We'll take a short break. 8223 0000, my number.
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Speaker 3: French people cannot live properly.
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Speaker 11: Everything, like, you know, concerning cars and, like, the gas oil and stuff, it's so pricey.
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Speaker 3: And French people.
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Speaker 12: Cannot live even with two incomes in one single home.
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Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mel. A bit of feedback on the situation in France. Adam said, Leith, they are far less extremists. Oh, 800,000 of them, Adam. Not sure about that, but thank you. Sam said, Trump warned the UN about the out-of-control measures Immigration in Europe, people like you laughly see the result when migrants don't share the same values. Stop getting guests on to explain differently. It's not about education economics. Thank you, Sam. Disagreeing with the professor. On the flip side, Emily said this happens with all protests. Other random groups attach themselves, dilute the original message that then causes mass destruction and confusion, and it inspires detractors to blame the left or other outsiders. Robert said, I don't believe One Nation will form government, but I do believe they're forcing the majors to talk about and make firm policies on things they might not want to address and leave it in the too hard basket. And even a text from the great John Blake, who said, Blake, he says, what is Pauline Hanson supposed to do? She's not in government. The professor was annoying. Blakey, thank you. Well, I think the professor was saying, this is what I took away from it, in that Pauline's almost like default popularity. in that she hasn't really achieved anything during her time. It's more just good timing that she's popular now when everyone's unhappy with the status quo. That's kind of what I took from that. So maybe Marie Le Pen is in a similar boat. We'll wait and see. It looks like she's going to be successful going forward. Pauline, so thank you, though, for listening, Blakey. Good to hear from you. 27 to 2.
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Speaker 13: The latest in state politics with Mike Smithson.
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Speaker 2: He's back. Channel 7's InDaily's Mike Smithson. Welcome, Smitho.
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Speaker 5: Thanks very much, Lee. It's great to be with you.
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Speaker 2: It's always nice to have you on. You wrote an article in InDaily I was just reading during the ad break. We'll get to that in terms of your six-month report card. Can we start with the Premier, though? There's a bit of a fast track when it comes to apprenticeships.
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Speaker 5: Yes, the Premier was out today. He loves going to building sites in his high-vis gear. Today he went to one of the new high-rises being built in Bowdoin. I can actually see it from where I'm sitting, so... We didn't have to go far, you might have to say. A bit of a trial climbing five storeys to get to the top of the building. There were no lifts operating, but essentially he was there with a whole group of others, including master builders, and they had a former power player, Jed McKenty, on board. He's now an apprentice chippy after leaving the power, playing for Sturt now, of course. But the fast-tracking apprenticeships in a bid to... Solve our dire worker, skilled worker shortage. So those apprenticeships, instead of doing a four-year apprenticeship, you squeeze it into three. So in your fourth year, you're out earning the big money. And we know apprentices, trades can earn colossal amounts of money if they put the hard work in. So I'll just turn the phone down. It's the Premier's office calling me. Don't they know I'm on 5AA? I just don't believe that.
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Speaker 2: That's a bit rude.
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Speaker 5: They'll be told off. So anyway, three-year apprenticeships. But then the question comes down to, are they still going to be qualified enough? Are they going to be skilled enough doing their apprenticeships? I'm thinking electricians in particular and plumbers, but sparkies in particular. You want them to go through the right training. and you want them to know as much as they should know, but now you're giving them a year less to do it, to entice more people into apprenticeships. Now, it's a bit of a double-edged sword because if you've got the right people doing them and are motivated enough, well, then you'll get your talent through that. The cream will always rise to the top, whether it be over three years or four years. So that's an interesting one. which the master builders tended to, or they didn't deny the fact that some people still will need to take four years to do it. So this pilot program, I think it's on the right track. If it's enough to get kids in school thinking, well, I don't have to wait around quite as long to earn the big bucks, they might jump into it. And you can do it through a secondary or through a vocational educational training college program. or you can do it on site. So I think we need something like, I think it's 179,000, 170,000 new people in the workforce by 2030. That's to cope, obviously, with the tunnels, the new hospital, the AUKUS program, the massive house building program we've got. So we definitely need the workforce. Is this enough to get them there? Let's hope it is.
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Speaker 2: I just worry about rushing it, Smitho. To quote a tradie, measure twice, cut once. You don't want to rush it too fast that corners are cut.
00:25:09
Speaker 5: No, you don't want to do that. I tend to do it the other way around. I just cut and then wish I'd measured twice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 5: That's what I tend to do.
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Speaker 2: I get the urgency, but.
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Speaker 5: Well, and look, it's a good point. And it was put to the Premier and to... master builders today and they said, well, look, some won't make the grade. So I think there'll still be a fair amount of scrutiny on the people who are doing the apprenticeships to get to the tick all the boxes before they leave. But you just think you want an electrician who comes out of their apprenticeship fully qualified and knowing everything for their own safety and for yours.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, speak to anyone who's had a tradie that's done them over.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: They won't be happy with an even shorter apprenticeship going forward. All right, we'll watch that with interest. What was the political stunt that fell flat in Parliament?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this one, I was a little bit critical of the Liberal Party, and I expressed it to two members of their media team that tried to set up, well, they said they were going to set up a stunt where Ben Hood, who's the chair of the Budget and Finance Committee, and they had the big heavy hitters from SA Water there today, and we were tipped off early that, There is a complainant somewhere in the Mid-North who wants to remain anonymous, but they said the water quality at their house is so bad, they've contacted SA Water and claimed that they've been virtually given the brush off, that SA Water says the water quality is fine. So they had the heavy hitters there today, and Ben Hood, who's the chair of the committee, was going to, and he did produce a bottle of the water from, unbeknown to the SA Water people, from the from the tap of the complainant in the mid north somewhere and it didn't look all that appetizing and had a bit of a yellow tinge but then they were going to try and set up SA water which they did of all the checks and balances being done SA water said well there's no reason that we've got to complain so he's going to hand him the bottle or pour him a glass of water and say well if you're so confident of your water you drink it now no one in their right mind would have drunk it but then they chickened out at the last minute they produced the water and There was no attempt to entice the member of SA Water. We went along. I wanted to see how this was going to end up. You're not under parliamentary rules and regulations. You're not allowed to perform stunts, visual stunts in parliament. Plenty try and some succeed and some are reprimanded. But I think Ben Hood being the chair of the committee, perhaps he thought he might lose his chairmanship position as a result of pulling a stunt and therefore lose the 30 grand that goes with being chair of the committee each year. But I said to the Liberals, if you're going to do it, do it.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 5: Don't make a big song and dance about what you're going to do and then chicken out at the last minute. So don't watch tonight thinking you'll see this stunt because it ain't going to appear. I said, you've just... Instead of there being a story, there is no story in this whatsoever. And there might have been one.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that the, I want to say, Flint, Michigan, or it might have been an Aaron Brockovich type? That was, I think that was done 20 years ago, was it not? Where they brought the dirty water in and said, all right, you drink this. Always happens too with, what do you call it? You know, when they recycle the water at the diesel plants and stuff.
00:28:34
Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the mere look of this water, I thought this is going beautifully. Because the SA water has said that there is nothing to... to confirm or even point towards substandard water with whatever is in it. And here's the water from the tap of the complainant. And then... They didn't do it. They didn't do it.
00:28:54
Speaker 2: No, that's not right. Come on, Ben.
00:28:55
Speaker 5: It's not the way you or I do it. No, we would have... You always love a good start.
00:28:58
Speaker 2: Correct, you would have done... So they get in trouble. So we know Pauline, obviously, in the burqa, and Sarah Hansen-Young brought in a fish recently. So you're not allowed to do stunts?
00:29:08
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no. No, that's... The rules are very strict and the punishment can be... Look, at the end of the day, technically, it could be there is a vote of no confidence in the chair of the committee. If he brought the stunt on and if the votes go against him, he's chucked out. So it's only a small committee, maybe, I think, eight members, nine members. So, yeah, that was a bit of a letdown for the day, at least, I'd have to say.
00:29:34
Speaker 2: Well, maybe your feedback will get back to them and he might try again.
00:29:38
Speaker 5: Well, I did warn them... that maybe this would be discussed.
00:29:43
Speaker 2: Excellent. Now, speaking of, like a good school teacher, you've given out a report card. If we go to InDaily or if you get the email sent to your inbox, the Mike Smithson six-month report card.
00:29:55
Speaker 5: Yes, I thought an interesting time... given the record majority that Peter Malinowskis and Labour had, their 34 seats to get into a 47-seat parliament, they have an absolute majority in the lower house, not the upper house. But it's a mandate for the Premier to do whatever he wants. He was already in the midst of live golf, and the MotoGP was ticking along. Well, you would have to say that with that, throw in Wyala, a couple of other issues, RAH.
00:30:28
Speaker 5: Hospital ramping in general, it hasn't been the finest six months of a new term. Now, I think probably his first term went so smoothly and he had all the good ideas that the second term was always going to be harder, but I think the first six months has been much tougher than he would have thought. I think the opposition, even in its reduced numbers, and don't forget Ashton Hearn is very pregnant at the moment, having... her second child, Adam and her, having their second child around about Christmas time. But I think the government, I think the Premier has, how can I put it? I think he's lost a little bit of his mojo in terms of, certainly in terms of live golf. In fact, I'm doing a piece tonight on make up your own mind. on his enthusiasm, should we say, towards Live Golf and the new North Adelaide Golf Course. I thought it was a little lacking today, to be honest, which I'm doing as an opinion piece on our news tonight. So make up your own mind whether you.
00:31:32
Speaker 2: Think his body language and.
00:31:34
Speaker 5: His tone is not quite what it used to be when it comes to that matter.
00:31:38
Speaker 2: I would say, I think you're right. I say first term, in a cricketing analogy, he was line and length. He couldn't miss. I think you're right. I think the radar's a little off. There's a couple going down a leg side, and you're right, it's the trees, it's the MotoGP, it's the golf course.
00:31:55
Speaker 5: It's why all of a sudden the blast furnace shut and the jobs here that seem, you know, people getting paid their entitlements, all of that. It's been a difficult, more difficult than he would have thought it would be. He's got three and a half years to turn it around, obviously, and they're smart operators. But I think the Liberal opposition, as I've said, you know, they could, they barely need a minibus to have a good night out on the town because there's so few of them. But I think in some ways a smaller target, a smaller team, there is sometimes less discontent. Everyone's busy up to their eyeballs. It's a good way to be. You don't want backbenchers sitting in there thinking, well, we'll never get our turn in Cabinet. So that's one aspect of it. And I think the Liberal team have got enough members to take the fight up to the government. So Blair Boyer from the Labour Party is usually put out as their attack dog. Is this a cue that, yes, he's going to be the next leader of the party? I think it probably is. But there are all sorts of little intricacies that I've gone into in this in-daily piece today. So I suggest everyone read it and you'll see where I'm coming from.
00:33:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like it. So even I would say, you know, the Premier's still bowling well enough that he's staying in the attack, but you're right, the radar's off a little bit. I am interested, without giving too much of your article away, so Blair Boy's an interesting one because he gets shoved into health, which you think is like the chalice, right? And now, of course, what's happening with the golf course and the trees and the MotoGP, et cetera. So he's the one, do you think he's leapfrogged the Attorney-General, for example, someone like that who potentially down the track could be a Labour leader?
00:33:42
Speaker 5: Well, unless Kai Ma moves to the lower house, because he's in the Legislative Council, where you can't be the leader of the party. You are in the upper house, but the Premier is always in the lower house. As I've said, I think Kai Ma, he does a good job. It's unspectacular. But Blair Boyer, it's barely a day that you don't see him on TV or hear him on the radio. and he's put out to answer a lot of questions often on his days off on weekends that he's the one that comes up. As I say, I don't know if it's an initiation or what it is, but he's certainly taken over what Tom Coutts and Tonus, his role used to be. So, Tom, you know, you wouldn't think, you'd think going forward if, and I'm saying a big if, the Premier continues another term and another term and plays his time out in South Australia, which I think is increasingly unlikely, who would be the next Labour leader. But they're putting Lucy Hood up a lot to talk about things as well. So she's from the right faction and Blair is from the left and it's usually the right that wins leadership positions. But at the end of the day, it's the best person for the job, as Jay Weatherill discovered when he was with Labour. He was from the left and was backed by the right to... to take over from Mike Grant.
00:35:06
Speaker 2: So less attack dog work for Tom Coutts and Tonus?
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Speaker 5: I think there is. Well, he hasn't got time. You know, if you're the treasurer of a state like ours, you're never running out of things to do, are you?
00:35:16
Speaker 2: No, that's true. Hey, Robert has a question for you before you go. Stunts were Nick Xenophon's stock trade, Smitho. So I guess you can do stunts, you just don't do it in chamber.
00:35:26
Speaker 11: That's right.
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Speaker 5: You do it on the steps, you do it somewhere else. To do it actually in Parliament, their standing orders are.
00:35:34
Speaker 5: Pretty strict on that. But no, Nick Xenophon is 100% correct. I remember he did one stunt about politicians being on the gravy train and getting perks, you know, cheap cars, cheap airfares, cheap whatever. And he did this stunt at the top of Parliament. It must have been a really hot day because he was sweating profusely. And he had a Thomas the Tank Engine... a toy one that was going around, you know, not just a really mini one, but one that, you know, you couldn't sit on, but it was getting to that size. And as he was doing his press conference, the train was in the background. I could see it going faster and faster around this circular track and eventually derailed and spilled all over him. He was standing on the steps and I thought, well, is that a metaphor for.
00:36:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: You know, is that what he's trying to get across, that the wheels are going to fall off, that's coming off the tracks, the Polly's Perks of the day?
00:36:32
Speaker 2: He always made great content, didn't he? And Fred says, if the snake dies at the head, it will slowly die. I guess that's on the Premier. Do we sense it? Is it a Premier issue or right across the board, do you think, in terms of the Labor Party, or is it just a couple of misses with the trees and the golf?
00:36:47
Speaker 5: Oh, look, I think he miscued on what the public reaction was going to be. But today, even as recently as this morning... on immigration because he wants to get more skilled workers, immigrant workers into the state.
00:37:02
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:37:03
Speaker 5: And he said he doesn't mind rubbing politicians, you know, those above him up the wrong way when it comes to migration. I said, does that include the prime minister? Which he basically said, yes, it does. He said, I'll say whatever I want. So, you know, to me, everything is a slight signal of where his intentions are headed.
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Speaker 2: Set the alarm, 6pm tonight, 7 News. You can see Smitho's opinion piece there and indaily.com.au for the six-month report card. Smitho, great to have you on. Thank you. Enjoy your week. We'll speak to you next Monday.
00:37:34
Speaker 5: Thanks very much, Lee.
00:37:35
Speaker 2: Mike Smithson, my guest at 12 to 2.
00:37:38
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Lee Forrest.
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Speaker 2: Seven minutes to two. 8223 0000 is the number if you'd like to join us. Lots of text coming through. 044-808-1395. After the 2 o'clock news, we're going to talk all about training the next generation of early childhood educators in the care sector, and we'll also catch up with Dr Derek. Rosie thinks that Smitho's always out there doing his bit, just stirring the pot when it comes to the Labor Party. Thank you, Rosie. I think that's the job, though, government of the day, to get stuck in where it can be. It's an interesting read, though. Is Blair Boyer the heir apparent, do you think? to the Premier? Should he make way or head to Canberra? Lucy Hood? Other viable options? You might have a thought on that. Pam from Fulham Gardens. Hello, Pam.
00:38:29
Speaker 8: Hello, Lee. How are you?
00:38:31
Speaker 2: Good, thank you.
00:38:32
Speaker 8: I just rang to say the highlight of my weekend was Friday night, the fundraiser for the Little Heroes Foundation.
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Speaker 16: Great cause.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
00:38:40
Speaker 8: And thank you so much for being there.
00:38:42
Speaker 2: My pleasure.
00:38:44
Speaker 8: We had a wonderful time, us girls, helping out. As you mentioned, we're part of the Sicilia Club.
00:38:51
Speaker 10: Yes.
00:38:52
Speaker 8: Absolutely beautiful club, and we hope to see you guys there next year again. So thank you so much for that.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Oh, my pleasure. Thank you for calling in, Pam. So obviously, because it's not my part of Adelaide, I haven't been out that way.
00:39:05
Speaker 8: Oh, you need to venture out.
00:39:07
Speaker 2: I know. Well, this is my second time after we did the quiz night last year too, but what you and your team do was amazing.
00:39:14
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm part of the team. There are people who do a lot more than I do. I'm actually a volunteer for them. Most of them are in the committee themselves. Yeah, but we absolutely... Yeah, it's hard work, but in the end, we do enjoy the social aspect of it, which is what it's all about. So thank you so much.
00:39:35
Speaker 2: Oh, my pleasure.
00:39:36
Speaker 8: Thank you to all those wonderful people that came to support us.
00:39:39
Speaker 2: It was a fun night, wasn't it? First and foremost, your food spread was incredible from the end to the pasta, to there was the cakes, there was Marco was making me coffees that I don't drink, like the hospitality was amazing.
00:39:52
Speaker 8: Yes, wonderful. Everybody was absolutely wonderful and yeah, we quite enjoyed it. So thank you again.
00:39:58
Speaker 2: My pleasure.
00:39:59
Speaker 8: And, yeah, please do come and visit us at another event.
00:40:04
Speaker 2: Well, I know you've got a lot on because you do not just charity events. I remember last year there's also sort of dinner dances and all sorts.
00:40:12
Speaker 8: Well, this Saturday night we have our gala night, our Sicilian night. So that's where we are going to be preparing from Wednesday on to Friday for our traditional Sicilian goodies. So we'd like everybody to come along and just enjoy. It's going to be a wonderful, wonderful night.
00:40:31
Speaker 2: OG Rogue, Klemzig, the Sicilian club. That's it.
00:40:34
Speaker 17: Yes.
00:40:35
Speaker 2: Well done.
00:40:35
Speaker 8: And we are a licensed club.
00:40:37
Speaker 2: Lovely to see you, Pam. Thank you for your hospitality and your nice words and for the Italian lessons too at the end of the night. That was interesting. I'll take those with me. Good on you, Pam. Thank you. Thank you.
00:40:49
Speaker 11: Okay, bye.
00:40:50
Speaker 2: You're in the running for the afternoon delight, the Quincy's $ 50 voucher. We'll take those throughout the show. What was your highlight of your weekend, big or small? If you want to let me know, 8223 0000. Jerry's got in early too. He said, Leith, I love the Hindley Street Country Club. He was there on the weekend, saw the band, got some merch, booked tickets already for next year. Proud of them. Absolutely love the concert. Glad that you liked it too. Thank you, Jerry. Rob has sent in a photo. A morning walk on the beach with his little dog was the absolute highlight of his weekend. Thank you, Rob. He said it's the best way to start the weekend. Graham from Millicent said, Lee, thank you for the Highland Street Country Club interview last week with Jordan. Listen to them every opportunity today. I am on the tractor with the group's songs playing in the tractor. Thank you, Graham, for that. Well done. We want your afternoon delights, thing that brought you joy across the weekend, big or small, 8223 0000. Would love to hear. We're going to take a short break. Mel Asher, as I mentioned, has got the 2 o'clock news for us. And lots still to come. You can join us any time. Call, text or email.
00:42:01
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
00:42:04
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mel. Four minutes after 2, we're on the way this Monday afternoon. Dr Derek McNair will be here from the Norwood Parade Vet Clinic. That'll be shortly. He'll answer all of your questions regarding your dogs and your cats, any pet issues that you might have. We'll also check in with the Weather Bureau. Some rain on the way. this week after a mildish start to your Monday. Time, though, to talk about early childhood educators. My guest this afternoon, Michael French, is the Managing Director of ELC Training Australia, which is a South Australian registered training organisation, which is all about practical workplace training for early childhood education and care. He joins me this afternoon. Michael, lovely to have you on. Thank you for being here.
00:42:47
Speaker 13: Thank you for having me.
00:42:48
Speaker 2: In a nutshell... Tell us about ELC, the training. What do you do?
00:42:55
Speaker 13: So ELC training, we developed it as early childhood operators, so we run a number of early learning centres, have done for 20-odd years.
00:43:03
Speaker 2: Yep.
00:43:04
Speaker 13: And we were frustrated by the quality of training where we were getting job applicants whose quality of training was degrading over time, their practical skills, and we Frustrated by that to the point that we said, well, we need to redo this ourselves and redesign the model, which had moved more to virtual training, online training, and so on and so forth, to practical skills in the workplace, where if you think about learning how to work with a baby and change the nappy, if you learn in a classroom changing a doll's nappy, that is an experience. However, that is a very different experience to when you've got a live wriggling baby on the countertop.
00:43:48
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:43:48
Speaker 13: Who you're trying to actually engage with and develop a relationship with and talk them through a procedure that's going to be calm and welcoming for them.
00:43:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we'll get to that. I guess that's the interesting conversation, isn't it? Learning virtually versus learning in real time, like in real, which kind of I know that's where technology is going, but you would think there are some professions that would be much better hands-on, which is what you're all about because you're training and students and the partner centres. It's all about getting these job-ready educators, isn't it? So they're ready to go turnkey, go with all the skills that they need in real-world practice. Before we sort of break down a bit more on that, first and foremost, congratulations. You were South Australian Training Awards Small Trainee Provider of the Year. Nice going.
00:44:33
Speaker 13: Yes, thank you.
00:44:33
Speaker 7: That was.
00:44:35
Speaker 13: Really validating for us as an organisation. We took an idea a few years ago of what we thought needed to be done for our own services and so forth. Over a number of years to see that bear fruit and mature and go well beyond our own services now and really start to impact, particularly regionally, where we've been able to fill a gap, if you like, where regional communities can we're really struggling with the absence of in-person training.
00:45:05
Speaker 5: Yes.
00:45:06
Speaker 13: Where our model is focused on in-person in the workplace. So we brought that back to them. So it was really a great validation of all of that and all the hard work of our team to take that small idea and say, right, this is what we'll do and.
00:45:20
Speaker 11: It will work.
00:45:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that. So you would, I mean, I wonder what it means for you and the team. Like it's great acknowledgement and that's why these kind of, because awards are awards, but they do matter when you know you're on the right path, I guess. Yeah, they do.
00:45:32
Speaker 13: And it's important for everyone to feel like, well, yes, we think we're doing a great job and so on and so forth. But to get that recognition from your industry and from others, you know, our submission for the award required a whole lot of independent parties to support us and so forth. And not one said, no, we don't want to give you any sort of support. And the letters that came through to back us up was quite fascinating. amazing for us. And even more so, once we did win the award, to get just unsolicited messages from previous employees that we've worked with out of the blue saying, oh, look, that's fantastic. We know you've had this and been trying to do it for so long and, you know, well done to you. It really gives you that lift to go, yes, we need to keep moving with this, rather than kind of going, oh, it's just all too hard. So it's amazing for the whole team.
00:46:33
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to you on that. Let's talk about why your training is different to others. You touched on it in terms of the technology side, but ELC Training Australia. So the training is different.
00:46:42
Speaker 7: Why?
00:46:42
Speaker 2: What have you found that you do works better than maybe others? And hence why you've been recognised?
00:46:49
Speaker 13: I think the key part to it is the support for the students. So even before we did this exercise, in our own workplaces, we had students who were essentially stagnating in their qualifications, taking years to get through an 18-month qualification because they didn't have the support. Their trainers were, they would not see them for months at a time. So the support they were needing wasn't there. And as we're seeing, students are requiring different supports and more supports in different ways as the years progress and society's moving in different ways with that. And And for us, the workplace as well, back then we were not linked with our training organisation. So it was very much arm's length and you couldn't support even your employees who were studying as well adequately because you didn't have enough information. So we flipped that on its head and said, well, let's do this training in the workplace. Let's have most of these students are actually employees and let's have a fully rounded way of supporting them where there's– ongoing engagement between the trainer and the workplace to know what that student needs to support them. There's other agencies supporting them as well and it enables those students to be both supported but also pushed as well when they're starting to kind of drift and so forth. They need to understand that in early childhood it's a requirement of your work that you have these qualifications and so While you may be able to work without holding it yet, you must be actively working towards it. So you can't sit on a qualification for five years and just pretend you're actually getting there. You need to be supported to actually get through or you'll lose your job. And we were facing situations where staff would need to be terminated because they weren't progressing because the supports weren't there.
00:48:44
Speaker 7: Right.
00:48:45
Speaker 2: So just stagnating.
00:48:46
Speaker 13: We've turned that around and, you know, instead of a one size fits all, it is a one student, we adjust too. So all of our students are individualized. We've got some who want to go quickly, some who want to go slow, and our trainers adjust to that for them. And the supports they need, some might need just what most people need as far as support. Some others might need additional coaching. They might need different assessment methods or other different approaches. And our trainers work with them because they're seeing them so regularly. They're in the work site at least every four weeks, usually every one to two weeks. And it depends on how many students at a given site. And so they're ongoing that in-person support to know where they are and what they need to keep progressing is there. And that's the crux of the difference is that that support is happening for those students.
00:49:37
Speaker 10: Yes.
00:49:38
Speaker 13: And then there's a great flow-on effect that we're in that work site sufficiently that we're also seeing the rest of the team. So therefore, when we're meeting with that site leader on a fortnightly basis, we're able to say to them, okay, but I also noticed this with the rest of your team. We probably need to look into some professional development for them, for the rest of the team on this other topic, because this is what we're seeing. So the individual partner site is getting that independent understanding set of eyes looking at how they're operating and able to go, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Let's put some investment into that and let's work on that with the team rather than stuff just getting lost. Because there's a lot on the plate of a childcare director who's trying to run that site. There's a million and one things going every day, which means some things might fall off the list.
00:50:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
00:50:29
Speaker 13: And have I got everyone's training right can often fall off the list when you've got 15 different urgent issues to solve. But our support there enables them to actually stay on top of that and that it is always coming front of mind with our regular visitations.
00:50:46
Speaker 2: I want to come back to that in a second. So just quickly, I was thinking of those at home, thinking the difference now between what maybe they experienced when their children were younger in a childcare sense versus early learning today. Has it been a huge.
00:51:01
Speaker 2: Change over time? I know some of the language is a little bit different. Is it similar or is it what's the word I'm looking for? Like has it risen in terms of responsibility and roles do you think? Or has it been an industry that you've noticed a noticeable change in?
00:51:19
Speaker 13: There's too many changes I would think to suggest.
00:51:25
Speaker 11: One or two.
00:51:26
Speaker 7: Sure.
00:51:27
Speaker 11: There is an.
00:51:28
Speaker 13: Ongoing growth in expectation of what a person working on the floor with the children is expected to do.
00:51:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
00:51:36
Speaker 13: And certainly, you know, pre-turn of the century, there was an expectation that childcare workers were babysitters.
00:51:44
Speaker 2: And that's basically it. Yeah, pretty much. That's right.
00:51:47
Speaker 13: And I think that I was in forums in, you know, 2011-12 where we were still fighting that expectation when talking with government and so forth where, People were not recognising the value of someone working with children at that age.
00:52:04
Speaker 11: I know.
00:52:06
Speaker 13: In our services at that time, we were bringing in teachers into the younger age groups when there was generally an expectation that you don't have a teacher below a four-year-old. Yet babies are the ones who are learning more than at any time in your life is when you are under 12 months. So why is it that you... and not needing a teacher to work with you and develop things before four.
00:52:27
Speaker 2: Because you think of how vital your role is, you know, for the development of kids coming through. And thank you for, I was trying to work out the way to say this on eggshells, but I think previously it was, they were kind of just babysitters. All right, you just hang there while mum and dad are doing their thing. And then, but it's much more than that.
00:52:43
Speaker 13: And I think it has always been much more than that, but that was generally a bit of an expectation or a derogatory way to look at it and go, we don't value that. And that was seen in the wage levels and everything else. And it's great that that's coming up now, but what's come up with that as well is a whole lot of extra workload for people working in the profession, which can detract from the core task which is really engaging with those children and one of the things that we really try to focus on in our training is getting that balance right because you can have these other tasks but your core task is still with those children and and and your ability to create those relationships with them yep is paramount yeah it's paramount it's ahead of everything so.
00:53:34
Speaker 2: Yeah Michael French is my guest, ELC Training Australia Managing Director. So then the strong partnerships that you would need to have with early learning centres, I guess, to improve the outcomes of your students, right? That's the important partnership, isn't it? So that you are able to get them in and learn hands-on, learn everything you need from skills and safety and supervision, et cetera.
00:53:55
Speaker 11: That's right.
00:53:55
Speaker 13: And one of the real benefits of that as well, though, in a profession like many out there that is struggling for workforce is it gives them an avenue to address their workforce shortages as well, where we can actually, if we support students who are learning right at the beginning, they can be in the workforce so long as you've got the right level of support for them and the right training mechanisms behind them. And that's, again, a key difference in how we're supporting them, where for most, well, anyone doing an early childhood qualification has to do a placement in a live work site. However, those placements generally are supported just by the workplace. No one from the training organisation is physically there supporting them, which means most sites generally only have one or two trainees because how can we actually, we don't have the manpower to support them. Whereas our trainer being on site, the more students you've got, the more the.
00:54:55
Speaker 11: Trainer is there.
00:54:57
Speaker 13: And so we will flex in line with that. and provide that support, which gives you additional means of covering your staff shortfalls because instead of a placement student who's purely a volunteer and cannot be counted working with your children, even though they might be really good, they're actually a team member being trained and supported and can be included and start to offset some of those issues you've got with staff shortages.
00:55:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes so much sense. So let's wrap this up. In a nutshell... What is the message you would like to get out there from ELC training? Where do you think you go from here? Like, what is next after this recognition? What would you like the 5AA listeners and the people of Adelaide to know or do? Big question.
00:55:44
Speaker 13: Big question.
00:55:45
Speaker 2: You can break it down in segments if you like, Michael.
00:55:48
Speaker 13: The very first thing is to say that it is a fantastic career, early childhood.
00:55:54
Speaker 2: I did it part-time. Loved it. So much fun.
00:55:57
Speaker 13: The joy you can get from working with children is amazing.
00:55:59
Speaker 10: Yep.
00:56:00
Speaker 13: However, you need really quality training to do that well because the stuff you get out of the book and that you can learn, you can learn the information if you like, but that does not teach you how to work with the children to build those relationships properly. to understand when something's going to go wrong and when something's not going to go wrong and to work your way through it in a safe and measured way. And that's what you need from workplace-based training. And I'd say to the listeners out there, if you're considering doing some studies in early childhood, find yourself an RTO, hopefully us, but find yourself an RTO that's actually going to train you practically in the workplace and because that's going to give you that key set of skills that you will not get if you're just doing it in a classroom or online.
00:56:53
Speaker 2: Do you need more numbers, like tradies?
00:56:56
Speaker 11: Absolutely.
00:56:56
Speaker 2: The industry as a whole?
00:56:57
Speaker 13: Absolutely. The profession is struggling for numbers. It's got a little bit better over the last 18 months or so, but particularly with the work being done for the three- to four-year-old preschool rollout, early childhood across the state is needing staff, and particularly regionally where we do a lot of our work, we're screaming out for numbers to support the early learning centres that all the communities are saying they need. And when the capital's being committed to develop a new centre, that's great, but you need the workers. So what if you've got a building if you haven't got the people to actually work with the children? And that message about how enjoyable and fulfilling the career can be is the one that anyone who's thinking about it should take on. And it doesn't matter what stage of life you're in, you can transition it 20, 30, 40 or 50, moving into early childhood, and you'll just love it day in, day out. As long as you've got the right training behind you, you'll have a fantastic time with the children.
00:58:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it part-time while I was at university and loved it. It was so much fun every day with the kids. It was so much fun. Michael, congratulations on the work you're doing and the recognition for it. So people should go to elctraining.com That's the best place to go. Find out all the information.
00:58:15
Speaker 10: Yep.
00:58:15
Speaker 13: And if you want to have a chat, there's a link there just to book a chat and one of our team will get in touch and see where we can go with it.
00:58:21
Speaker 2: Well done. Great to meet you. Thank you for the insight today. Really interesting. Michael French, Managing Director of ELC Training Australia. Dr. Derek will be here just after the 2.30 news headlines. We'll check in with the Bureau. Any questions you have about your dogs, cats, pets, he will answer all of those and more. Tony's in Seton. Good afternoon, Tony. Tony was in Seton. Tony? We'll come back to Tony. We are celebrating the people who proved that there is no age limit when it comes to making a difference. We are searching for seven sensational South Australians over the age of 70 who continue to achieve, lead and inspire. If you know someone who is sensational, It might be your best friend. could be your neighbour, maybe it's even yourself. You've got a few more days remaining to nominate at 5AA. com. au. We want to highlight the outstanding contribution. It is proudly presented by 5AA and AFM Wealth Strategy. You can plan the retirement you want to live with independent advice that you can trust, afmwealthstrategy.com.au. Let's try again. Take two. Tony from Seton.
00:59:35
Speaker 18: Good afternoon, Lee.
00:59:36
Speaker 2: G'day, Tony.
00:59:38
Speaker 18: Listen, two things.
00:59:39
Speaker 2: Sure.
00:59:40
Speaker 18: Not much has been said about the Elon Musk car there today.
00:59:45
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the flying car.
00:59:47
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:59:48
Speaker 18: I think that was... I've never seen anything like that in my whole life. I mean, certain things happen you remember all your life, like 9-11, I'm 60 years old. I've never seen nothing like that before. Technology has just gone through the roof now. It's just unbelievable. I don't know what to say. I can't believe it.
01:00:07
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, Tony. And I think for a lot of us, when you watch television and movies, we've been expecting these kind of things before and have never eventuated. But Elon seems to be doing, for all the faults he has as a human, Tony, he is incredible with what he does for work. what he's been able to do with EVs, and now what we're seeing with flying cars. Now, we all think we're going to get the Jetsons in our lifetime, Tony. I don't think that's going to happen, but still, amazing, isn't it, where we're going?
01:00:36
Speaker 18: That's a safety feature. What it is, on the highway, if you come up with a big accident, and you press the button, you're jumping over the traffic.
01:00:44
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:00:44
Speaker 18: I mean, no one's going to climb up the walls with their car.
01:00:47
Speaker 2: No, I know.
01:00:49
Speaker 18: But the thing was, he's experimenting, he's giving it a go.
01:00:53
Speaker 12: And the.
01:00:54
Speaker 18: And he implies a lot of people, which if he was here in South Australia, I don't think he'd be allowed to do half of what he's done.
01:01:02
Speaker 2: No, you're probably right. No, he's got a bit of free reign.
01:01:05
Speaker 18: And the other thing is socialism in this state. Starting at the unis, and I see even the unis overseas, they're all getting together now and they're just pushing the socialist issues, the socialist lifestyle. And These young kids now, they think that that's the way to go, and it's not. And if they want to go somewhere where they think it's great, go to Cuba or go to bloody China. Go see how those people live there or North Korea. There's a socialist in the mainstream.
01:01:36
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony. Well, that's certainly the movement, isn't it? And we're seeing that right now with the democratic socialists in the United States, how popular they have become from Mamdami in New York. right through to some of the other potential senators that are coming up in the midterms, which is just a couple of weeks away now. Thank you, Tony. Appreciate it. Oh, amazing footage for those who saw it over the weekend of Elon Musk's flying car. Who knows where we're going to be in 5, 10... It is interesting when you watch old movies and they say, the year is 1996. And you think, well, we lived through that and there was none of those things, but it feels like a few things now. So if you watch the Jetsons, for example... Robot vacuums. We've got robot vacuums now. FaceTime. They were all over FaceTime back in the 60s or 70s whenever the Jetsons came out. They were all over that. So we get that now. Now we've got flying cars. Once those tubes are here, look out.
01:02:30
Speaker 5: Dr.
01:02:31
Speaker 2: Derek's next.
01:02:33
Speaker 7: Thank you, Mel.
01:02:36
Speaker 2: 26 degrees, as Mel mentioned, in the city right now. Felt like it was that all night. It was warm overnight. Beautiful weekend for all the activities, though. What does this week have in store for us? Daniel Hayes joins us from the Weather Bureau. Afternoon, Daniel.
01:02:50
Speaker 5: G'day, Lee.
01:02:51
Speaker 2: We had a nice weekend. Is there more of that weather on the way or are things about to change?
01:02:55
Speaker 6: There's a bit of a change coming through tomorrow. We do have even the potential for some severe storms on the mix for Adelaide. It's probably a bit marginal around Adelaide. It's more likely up into the hills and further east. But there is that possibility tomorrow as we see a system move through. It's currently moving across western parts of the state. And as it's coming, it's tapping into tropical moisture. So there is the potential that some of those showers or storms could have some heavy rainfall with them. Mostly, we're probably looking at lighter falls, but if we do manage to get a shower or a storm into the Adelaide area, then there is a chance we could see a little bit more than the zero to three mils that we have on the forecast at the moment. So there's the potential for 20, 30 odd millimetres out of decent thunderstorm activity. So we will likely see some of those sort of falls around parts of eastern South Australia as that system moves through tomorrow. It's just a matter of whether it comes into the Adelaide.
01:03:57
Speaker 5: Area or not.
01:03:58
Speaker 6: It is a little marginal.
01:03:59
Speaker 2: All right, so nice warmer conditions. I saw on your Bureau website there's an overnight low one of the days of 20. That's not very low, Daniel, for overnight.
01:04:08
Speaker 6: No, it's not. I mean, we only got down to around about 20 to 22 across Adelaide last night, so similar to what we saw last night coming. But, look, temperatures will take a dip with that system coming through tomorrow. We're sitting at around about the high 20s for the most part today. after getting into the 30s and 31s yesterday. It will be cooler tomorrow with that system coming through, so we're generally sitting around about the low 20s, 22 to 24 across Adelaide tomorrow as that makes its way through, and then we'll warm up after that. 25 still on Wednesday is still relatively cool, pretty close to, just a little above average, but not too much. But then, yeah, we're back up into the 30s for the end of the week, and that's when we see those minimum temperatures trend upwards as well. There could be a little bit more shower activity come through on Friday. So that's why that morning in particular is probably a little warmer than everywhere else. The average this time of year is around 10 or 11. We'll probably be sitting around about mid-teens for most of the week to come, with those peaks being when we've got that bit of extra humidity and cloud cover around.
01:05:14
Speaker 2: All right. And completely self-indulgent, the mother-in-law's 80th this weekend. Garden party Saturday night, Daniel. Do I bring a tarp?
01:05:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I think so. We've probably got a few more showers coming through right over the weekend. And, you know, there's a decent system, this one. It's going to, once again, be tapping into some tropical moisture. And at the moment, at least, five to seven days out, the modelling is showing that it could be a fairly wet one. Now, we've still got a few days for that to run. We'll see how it actually shapes up. But I think forward planning, definitely have some wet weather options.
01:05:50
Speaker 2: Bring the gumboots. Good on you, Daniel. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Daniel Hayes from the Weather Bureau. 26 degrees in the city right now, 17 now, overnight low, 23 tomorrow. Time now to talk pets.
01:06:08
Speaker 7: Time to talk all things pets with Dr.
01:06:10
Speaker 15: Derek.
01:06:12
Speaker 2: You know him, you love him. Dr. Derek McNair is here from the Parade Norwood Vet Clinic. Lovely to see you.
01:06:19
Speaker 11: You too, Lee. Thank you.
01:06:20
Speaker 2: So I was walking the dogs last night. I love walking the dogs at night.
01:06:23
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:06:24
Speaker 2: No one's around, first and foremost. Roads to yourself. Very little distraction for the dogs. You can, I don't know, it just seems, it was 24 degrees at half past 10, 11 o'clock last night when I was walking the dogs.
01:06:36
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:06:37
Speaker 2: That's warm though. I was almost, almost... was going to touch the footpath. It just felt very humid and warm last night.
01:06:43
Speaker 11: Yes, yes. It hasn't got quite to the dangerous temperature, but I always tell people if it gets, if you're not sure if it's too hot to walk your dogs, take your socks and shoes off and go for a walk yourself and just see. And if you can cope okay with it, they'll be able to cope okay with it. If you think it's too hot, For you, then, don't take them out. Take them out either sort of very early morning or very late at night, depending how the temperature goes.
01:07:10
Speaker 2: So Thursday, Friday this week, 30 degrees. Do you reckon 30 is around that point where it's too hot in the heat of the day to walk a dog?
01:07:18
Speaker 11: No, I think it's usually okay. I think 30 is okay. You don't want to go too far. You don't want to run them. You don't want to go to the dog park and have them playing around. But it's also certain surfaces... seem to get hotter like bricks and things like that seem to get much hotter than the pavement so it yeah I think 30 is okay it's usually when it gets above that it's a problem but yeah do the same thing again go out see how hot the pavement feels and don't do too much and again probably more early morning late evening is safer and if you know some dog's benefit from having a haircut because they can have a very thick coat of hair and giving them a haircut does cool them down they still they generally don't get too cold unless you really shave them down to the skin which does not normally happen but there's there's guard hairs down at skin level which sort of modulate the temperature and keep the dog sort of warmer in cold weather and cooler in warm weather so as long as they're not shaved down to skin level they're usually okay but dogs with very thick coats yeah I would certainly think about giving them a bit of a haircut with the warm weather coming up.
01:08:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I often wonder that. So where the dogs are like humans, where there are some who enjoy and revel in the heat, and then there are others like me who would prefer to be in an igloo. I imagine there are breeds of dogs that thrash around in the heat and the sun and they love it, and then there are others that do not.
01:08:49
Speaker 11: Yes, and the main ones that do not are the ones with the squashed-in faces. which are called the brachycephalic dogs, the ones with no noses, the ones that look like they've run into a brick wall.
01:09:02
Speaker 2: Sort of your shih tzu types, are you talking?
01:09:05
Speaker 11: Yes, bulldogs, boxers.
01:09:10
Speaker 2: So not the elongated nose, the sort of squashed face.
01:09:13
Speaker 11: No, the squashed-in nose, because what's happened over time is they were not really meant to be bred. This way. So you have the roof of your mouth, which the back of the soft palate sort of goes to the back of your throat. And then because of breathing, the nose has been pushed back and pushed back and pushed back. And the soft palate has just gone back and back as well. And so you find that the back of the soft palate interferes with the airway down into the lungs if it's too long. So these dogs are not really very good at breathing, to put it mildly. So if they go out, warm weather, hot weather, they don't cope with very well. And exercising too much, they don't cope with either. So be very careful if you've got one of these little dogs.
01:10:08
Speaker 2: So good advice.
01:10:09
Speaker 11: Yeah i was actually reading at the weekend um that they've done a study and that one and i'm not going to get into politics because you won't get me off the show but because of the cost of living one in six people now who own a pet is not going to the vet because either they can't afford it or it's an expense they can they would rather do without so If you can do things to prevent yourself needing to take your pet to the vet, then that is good. I mean, as a vet, we need people to come, but if we can avoid having the disasters coming in, that'd be nice. So with cats, keeping cats indoors, because all their problems happen outside and also... I didn't hear, my wife was listening to Graham Goodings this morning, there was someone on talking about birds and things.
01:11:06
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think Rania Cleary was on.
01:11:09
Speaker 17: Right.
01:11:10
Speaker 2: A bird expert.
01:11:10
Speaker 11: Yes, saying, apparently said there shouldn't be any cats, which I don't agree with, but I think you should have your cats under control. So keeping them indoors, because the big disasters we see with cats are getting into fights, and they get abscesses, which can be very nasty, and they get into fights with motor cars as well, which They obviously never come off best. So they are the dangerous things. Dogs, same sort of thing. Just keep them under control is the big thing. You're actually legally obliged to be under control of your dog at all times. So if they're off the lead, you should have them that they can come back to you if they look like they're starting to run away or if they're going to be running towards another dog or something that doesn't look very nice, you should have the control to bring them back. So not taking them out in very hot weather is a good thing. They don't need to be walked every day. If you have a heat wave that's 35 every day, you know, in the grass, in your backyard, I'm sure they're happier to stay indoors in your air conditioning if you've got it. So not doing that. If they get hot, give them a haircut. I think we talked about it last week, the grass seeds.
01:12:19
Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
01:12:19
Speaker 11: So at the end of every walk, check in between their toes to see if there's any grass seeds. If they start shaking their head, check inside the ears to see if you can see a grass seed. Because those things, if a dog has a grass seed down the ear, you have to go to the vet because they do work their way down and they can go through the eardrum, which obviously raises more complications.
01:12:45
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:12:46
Speaker 2: Granier is team bird, so that wouldn't surprise.
01:12:49
Speaker 11: Team bird, no, no.
01:12:50
Speaker 2: Birds and nothing else.
01:12:51
Speaker 11: And you can understand, I mean, as you know, I'm not, I don't consider myself certainly an expert in birds, but I do like them. I really do like birds. And so, and I've got two cats myself who I allow into my back garden because they cannot escape. And I have seen them as birds that come in. And they just look at them and think, I couldn't be bothered. Too much effort to do what a cat's meant to do. So I don't feel bad about letting them outside. But yes, a lot of cats are hunters. And so... Do the right thing. Do the right thing.
01:13:24
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:13:24
Speaker 5: Dr.
01:13:24
Speaker 2: Derek is here.
01:13:25
Speaker 3: 8223 0000.
01:13:25
Speaker 2: If you have a question for Dr. Derek, we'll take your calls on the other side of the break. A lot of texts coming through. Matthew said, can you shave a husky? Yes, you can.
01:13:36
Speaker 11: Yes, you can. And yeah, a lot of huskies do get... very hot in the summer as well because they have not been bred to live in adelaide basically so yes you can you probably want to find a breeder who's shaved them before but the hair will come back it sometimes come back slightly thicker occasionally it'll come back a slightly different color but huskies i'm pretty sure come back much the same as as when you've shaved them.
01:14:05
Speaker 2: Yes Fred is 72 years of age, has his name down at the Blind Society. Any dogs that don't make the grade or being retired? Any idea the direction I could pick up? A nice dog to give to a nice home. Prefer a female lab, but it's not a deal breaker, said Fred. Do you know of that?
01:14:24
Speaker 11: You can put your name down at the Animal Welfare League and RSPC and give them your wish list. So say this is the sort of dog I want, this is the sort of temperament I want. But obviously you might be waiting for a while for that. If it's a specific breed, there are breed societies that they have people who will look after dogs if just say the owner dies or something like that happens. So if they're looking for a Labrador, maybe phone up the Labrador society and ask them. And the other thing is just phoning around some vets as well. We sometimes, from time to time, we'll have, People phone up and say, look, this is a circumstance, so I'm looking for a home for this dog and it's beautiful and blah, blah, blah. So that's probably a way as well.
01:15:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, because sometimes even the dogs that don't make the grade via guide dogs become support dogs.
01:15:15
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:15:15
Speaker 2: So I know even I'm an ambassador for the retired German Shepherds, the police dogs, and Tina will often say that, Once the police dog finishes, it might move into another role. Maybe it's not chasing crooks and jumping over cars, but it might act as a support animal. So it's not like it's just free to go to a home necessarily. So maybe Fred needs to do some calling around. More calls and messages for Dr. Derek on the other side. You can join us, 8223 0000 next.
01:15:44
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leigh Forrest.
01:15:47
Speaker 2: Parade Nord Vet Clinic. That is where you'll find Dr. Derek McNair. Of course, joins us every Monday on the show to take your pet calls. And we'll get to Kayleen and Lily before we get to some of your texts. Kayleen, you're speaking to Dr.
01:16:00
Speaker 5: Derek.
01:16:01
Speaker 16: Oh, good afternoon. I've been wanting to call you for a while, but every time I want to, I've got to go and get the kids from school.
01:16:11
Speaker 11: Jeez, what a nuisance. What a nuisance.
01:16:14
Speaker 16: But I'd rather talk to you anyway.
01:16:16
Speaker 11: I'm certainly not advising you to not send your children to school just so you can phone up. That'd be the wrong thing, but that's good. Thank you for calling.
01:16:23
Speaker 16: Anyway, I have 18-month-old poodle dogs, and I hope everybody's had lunch. I want to know when they'll stop eating their feces.
01:16:34
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:16:37
Speaker 11: When they will stop... There's things you can do, Kayleen, to try and stop them because it's not a time thing. Unfortunately, there are a small percentage of dogs who seem to enjoy doing it, as gross as it sounds. So there's two things you can try. There's actually more than that, but some of them I don't think work. Is it just a miniature poodle or a standard poodle? They're small poodles.
01:17:06
Speaker 10: Okay.
01:17:06
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:17:07
Speaker 11: Try one or two cubes of pineapple in their food in every meal. And that has about a 50% success rate. So I always start with pineapple. If that doesn't work, there is a product that you can get called coprophagia powder, which probably is about a 40% success rate, I think. So I always like to start with pineapple. But if that doesn't work, talk to your vet about there's a powder you can put in their food that also might work. Some people say it's vitamin deficiencies. A lot of studies have been given it's rarely vitamin deficiency. It's just usually, unfortunately, that some dogs like to do it. So try the pineapple. If that doesn't work, talk to your vet about getting an off-the-shelf product.
01:17:58
Speaker 7: Okay, well, obviously.
01:18:00
Speaker 16: Stop chasing them around.
01:18:02
Speaker 2: With the.
01:18:04
Speaker 5: Pants.
01:18:06
Speaker 11: I mean, I won't go into some other people have sort of suggested, but yes, that's the other thing is trying to, if you see them going, just clear up as quickly as you can.
01:18:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've also heard behaviouralists talk about, too, if you make too big a deal of it, it almost becomes a game for them. Have you ever heard that?
01:18:22
Speaker 11: No, because it usually happens when you're not even looking.
01:18:24
Speaker 18: Right.
01:18:25
Speaker 11: So, I mean, I guess if you're going to run up, I guess if you see them go to the toilet, get some nice treats.
01:18:32
Speaker 3: Yes.
01:18:32
Speaker 11: And then throw the treats away from where the dog's gone to the toilet.
01:18:35
Speaker 2: Chase it, yep.
01:18:36
Speaker 11: Yeah, so that draws their attention away while you clear up behind them.
01:18:41
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kayleen. Hello, Lily, you're speaking to Dr.
01:18:43
Speaker 5: Derek.
01:18:44
Speaker 19: Yes, good afternoon, Lisa and Dr. Derek. I'm going to have to bring Chester into your clinic.
01:18:49
Speaker 7: Yes.
01:18:50
Speaker 19: Another opinion, please, because I want to save him. And I know there's a lot of hope seeing all these YouTube videos on holistic vet approaches to chronic kidney disease, which now is a new blood test, which I probably shouldn't have asked for.
01:19:04
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
01:19:05
Speaker 19: And all the creatine levels are high, all the red markers are there, and I'm thinking, oh, no, he's already had pancreatitis diagnosed two years ago.
01:19:14
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:19:15
Speaker 19: And the Kershians are prone to all these dreadful things. So he's acting still like he's normal. We're giving him monthly vitamin B injections.
01:19:24
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:19:24
Speaker 19: He gets the kitten attitude back. He's had rectal prolapse surgery per string. which was done about six years ago, and he has had an enucleation, which means eye removal, which I think was a stray cat that did that here or whoever was in the wrong.
01:19:44
Speaker 11: Interesting.
01:19:45
Speaker 19: A battle cat, which didn't help. So I keep him in my garden now. But what holistic approach would you have, Dr. Derek? Because I really would. I know that he's a geriatric cat, but he's also a super cat.
01:20:00
Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
01:20:01
Speaker 19: You know, like these humans that are just out living 100 years of age. I want to give him. He's just living for me. I can see it. He's just following me everywhere. He's going to the toilet okay. My vet wants the crystals that she gave me as a sample to do a urine catch. Chester doesn't want to do it. He knows I'm trying to trick him, so he makes me open the door, get him to the garden to do his toilet.
01:20:27
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:20:28
Speaker 19: So I can't get that.
01:20:29
Speaker 18: Okay.
01:20:32
Speaker 2: Oh, we're just losing you, Lily. You're just dropping out there. Can you answer that from there?
01:20:36
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, yes. Whether you call it a holistic approach or a naturopathic approach, I'm not sure. The two big things which I think help is one is feeding a diet that is made for cats with kidney problems. So the big thing about them is they have reduced protein because extra protein gives the kidney extra work. So that is a big thing. A lot of cats that we get, and I think it helps a lot, is once a week they come in and we just put saline under their skin. And we have some clients who are happy to do that themselves. If you have a well-behaved cat, if Chester is very well behaved, then we'll sometimes give them a bottle of saline and that they can take home, that they can actually show them how to inject under the skin. It doesn't hurt. And it's been shown that giving the extra saline increases the blood volume and that increases the amount of blood that gets pushed through the kidneys and that helps to continually flush out the toxins that it might be struggling.
01:21:43
Speaker 2: To get rid of.
01:21:44
Speaker 11: So it's easy, it's cheap, it's safe and I think it greatly prolongs the life of kidneys. So that's what I would do, Lily, with saline. with Chester is make sure that his diet is okay and maybe talk to your vet. I'm happy to see him as a second opinion, but talk to your vet about possibly giving the saline under the skin because that can help a lot.
01:22:10
Speaker 2: Good on you, Lily. Thank you for the call. Appreciate that. A couple of text messages, Dr. Derek, before we let you out of here. Sue says, thank you, Dr. Derek, for backing up what I've always said. You can't walk a dog every day. When the day comes inevitably that you can't, they're heartbroken. I walk mine five days a week. A house guest once was disgusted, saying they must be walked every day. They have not been invited back.
01:22:35
Speaker 19: Wow.
01:22:35
Speaker 2: Sue's just cut them out of their life.
01:22:37
Speaker 11: I mean, my dog, Freddie, she goes out most days, but sometimes I'll get her harness and she just looks at me like, I'm comfortable on the couch. I cannot be bothered getting off. And you think, you actually don't seem to want to go for a walk. She seems to enjoy it when she goes. But sometimes you think, if I didn't bother, she wouldn't mind at all.
01:22:55
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:22:56
Speaker 2: There are days when obviously things, you're busy or weather conditions, sometimes we won't walk. both boys in a day, but then I'll always try and make it up. We might do a morning and night the next day and figure out over time.
01:23:08
Speaker 11: And some dogs, I think if they get lots of company and TLC at home, then that's a nice substitute. A little bit of a walk is always nice just to take them out to give them a bit of a sniff is always nice, even if it's short.
01:23:18
Speaker 2: And this is interesting from Tanya. She says, Dr. Derek, wondering if there or why there isn't a possible warning with the Baranza shot for arthritis, Baranza. Maltese Cross had the shot. had intermittent back leg paralysis, neurological issues with the head on a slant, and would stare at the wall for hours. Before this completely healthy 15-year-old with a little stiffness in the back legs, I found Facebook pages on Baranza saying how dangerous it was and how it had killed some dogs with the same issues as mine. I know it's beneficial for dogs, especially larger breeds, but shouldn't it come with a warning so people are aware of these issues and make a decision accordingly?
01:24:00
Speaker 11: The Baranza is a very strong and very effective injection that lasts about one month for dogs with very bad arthritis. There are lots of reports around the world. America, the UK, I think there's a class action against the company Baranza. for the side effects. I use it and we use it in our clinic. We tend to reserve it for dogs that literally are on their last legs and it can be fantastic. And I will always say to people, look, this is a story, touch wood, I don't think we've had any side effects yet, but I'm sure it might happen down the track. I will say to clients that, There is all this bad publicity, but if you've got a dog that can't walk, then I've given it to some dogs that literally can't walk and then they can afterwards. So for me, depending on the situation, it's a risk worth taking. But yes, there's certainly a lot of. publicized side effects with it.
01:25:13
Speaker 2: Is that smaller dogs, bigger dogs, or across the board?
01:25:17
Speaker 11: No, across the board. Okay. Yeah, yeah, across the board.
01:25:20
Speaker 2: But obviously, I guess you want that information beforehand.
01:25:22
Speaker 11: Yes, yes. And as I say, I've used it a lot and touch wood, whether I've been lucky, possibly. But it does, if you have a dog that's really crippled with arthritis and you've tried all the other options, there's a lot of other options.
01:25:38
Speaker 19: Yep.
01:25:39
Speaker 11: Then I think it is worthwhile trying because certainly not every dog gets any side effects with it.
01:25:45
Speaker 2: Good luck, Tanya, going forward. And Rosie, final word. Is there something I can put in the water, Dr. Derek, to stop the burning lawn? Stones in the water still okay? And are they okay for dogs, please?
01:25:56
Speaker 11: Yes, dog rocks. You need to get specific dog rocks that you can get at pet shops. And they are often very good. And a few people have told me that actually... tomato sauce, tomato soup or tomatoes.
01:26:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was you that told me. Can help as well. We do that.
01:26:16
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I've had some people say that it works very well. Well, Freddie, unlucky Freddie's weed doesn't mark our lawn. But yeah, it's safe. So again, if it's safe, why not give it a go?
01:26:27
Speaker 2: We do that. Add tomatoes to the diet. Where do we find you at the Parade Norwood Vet Clinic?
01:26:33
Speaker 11: 27 The Parade and the phone number is 83635323.
01:26:38
Speaker 2: Lovely to see you. Did you see Scott Hicks during the week? Did he come in and say good day?
01:26:41
Speaker 11: He did come in and say good day, and then it was nice to see his story, which I read in the paper. He's super talented, but he's so down to earth. He's a lovely guy.
01:26:52
Speaker 2: That's the most Adelaide thing of all time, you two walking past each other. I'll see you this week. Good to see you.
01:26:58
Speaker 12: Dr.
01:26:58
Speaker 2: Derek McNair, our very special guest each and every Monday from the Parade Norwood Vet Clinic.
01:27:03
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:27:06
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us on this Monday afternoon. It is seven minutes after three. You can hear us on 5AA. com. au via the player app or if you'd like to see us, you're welcome to do that too. Our live stream is now operational on Facebook and YouTube. We are delighted to have the Minister for Domestic, Family and Sexual Violence here in the studio with us, Alice Rowles MP. Lovely to see you, Minister. Thank you for coming in. And also delighted to welcome Hannah Park, who is someone who's going to be able to talk to us with firsthand experience of this particular topic. Lovely to see you too, Hannah.
01:27:42
Speaker 14: Thank you.
01:27:43
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming in. So we are talking this afternoon, Minister, about the impact that domestic and family violence has on children and on young people and often younger people who are often not. necessarily taking part in some of these conversations, but there's some reforms being done and you're getting some input from people affected. Absolutely.
01:28:05
Speaker 15: And it's an absolute no-brainer that we listen to children and young people that are often so greatly affected by the impacts of domestic family and sexual violence.
01:28:13
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:28:14
Speaker 15: Now, Leith, you will know, of course, that we had a Royal Commission into Domestic Family and Sexual Violence that was very ably led by.
01:28:20
Speaker 3: Natasha Stott Despoja.
01:28:22
Speaker 15: Natasha Stott Despoja handed down her recommendations 12 months ago, and we as a government are working through those recommendations very carefully so that we can create a new system for the future. One of those recommendations, and a very important one, Recommendation 11, was about setting up a new way of communicating and hearing the lived voices and the lived experience of young people, just like Hannah, aged 15 to 25. And that's what we're announcing today. I'm very pleased to say that our website that tells everyone more about what that Children and Young Persons' Lived Experience website network looks like is up and live today on the department of human services website.
01:29:03
Speaker 2: So 2023 was the royal commission wasn't it so that was introduced then we had the murder settled the tragic murder of the four women that's right then the lived experience advisory network that was last.
01:29:15
Speaker 15: Year uh earlier this year oh sorry no you're right end of last year um but really kicked off So the Lived Experience Advisory Network is for adults. And that's got about nearly 300 people who have sadly experienced the consequences of domestic violence. And they are providing input in different ways. There's another group as well, the Lived Experience Advisory Group, which is a group of 12 people that I'm working very closely with. And again, that's for adults. So we've got the network, the group for adults, and now we've got a third one. which is different, equally as important for children and young people.
01:29:54
Speaker 2: I know you're new in this ministry. It does seem like something that part of you go, why were we not doing this earlier? Like reaching in and tapping into the thoughts and experiences of others, but maybe that's an evolution for all of us.
01:30:09
Speaker 3: It absolutely is.
01:30:09
Speaker 2: Like learnings to be had.
01:30:11
Speaker 15: So much of this portfolio, I have to say, are things that we say, how do we not do that already? I mean, this is crazy, but let's stop and think for a minute. Um, even 10 years ago, certainly in my lifetime, I won't tell you how old I am, we didn't talk about domestic violence. It was a bit of a cultural thing where what happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors. And I think we've really changed as a community. This is the evolution of that. We want to make sure that the systems that we design and that we set up take into account the voices of children and young people.
01:30:44
Speaker 3: And that's what this is about.
01:30:45
Speaker 2: So Hannah, it's lovely to have you here. You are a young person.
01:30:48
Speaker 14: I would identify as one, yes.
01:30:50
Speaker 2: I'm 24.
01:30:51
Speaker 12: Yeah.
01:30:51
Speaker 2: So again, and I'll apologise now, I never know how you navigate these kind of conversations. So I was saying to yourself and the minister off air, it's like you don't know what you don't know. So I want to make sure that I'm appropriate with this. When you have lived experience, is it easy for you to talk about? Is it something that you've been saying, Why haven't we had a voice for longer? Is this something you've been thinking about?
01:31:13
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it's a double-edged sword. For young people, it's the trauma that they've gone through and the need to change things. But it's also, like you guys said, we don't know what we don't know. And we really need to have the, like, why aren't we having lived experience voices? And why are young people being not a part of that? young people are just as much victims in their own right as an adult is. And I think that's a really important distinguish to make because young people aren't many adults. And so it's really important that we've got a group like this that's come about through the minister.
01:31:50
Speaker 2: And the fact that you would have normally experiences where people might have ideas, but unless you have that lived experience, that's actually finding out the real information that you need to know to make proper change. Yeah, absolutely.
01:32:02
Speaker 14: I think when we think of domestic violence, we often think of it as like this abstract concept, but it's in healthcare, it's in our schools, it's in a range of different services is how young people can access care for domestic violence. It's not just something that pops up. It's something that people can bolster young people into supporting them through different.
01:32:28
Speaker 3: Services.
01:32:28
Speaker 14: And so, yeah, it's, It's really important that when we talk about lived experience, we talk about it in a sense that it really does envelop the whole life of a young person.
01:32:40
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's confidentialities with this. Did you go to the minister? Does the minister come to Hannah? How did this relationship happen?
01:32:48
Speaker 15: So Hannah is, we are very lucky to have Hannah here in South Australia. You know, Hannah's one of these young people that's, um, graciously putting her hand up and telling her own story. And she's, she's happy and willing to do that. Um, that's really impactful because when other young people hear that they're not alone, um, they can seek guidance from people like Hannah. And so we've, we've connected through that way and, and Hannah's, um, volunteering herself to be active in this space and we're very grateful to her for it.
01:33:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is excellent. How did you come to that decision? Is this something that you always wanted to speak about? Did you find yourself with like a higher calling going, I can, with my lived experience, help others?
01:33:24
Speaker 14: I always tell people that if you asked me at 16, I would never want to speak about these experiences ever. They're not nice to talk about. However, I don't want any young person to feel the way I did when I was a young person, not seeing anyone else talk about what they were going through how they got support, and then also reaching out to ministers and service providers and saying, hey, your services aren't working the way that they should. And so this really came about through a frustration that I had with the system and I guess, yeah, that higher calling that I had to do something. But I don't think that means that every single young person with a lived experience wants to do that. And I think that's also important to acknowledge that we need to really, you know, I had support. I had a lot of people that showed me how to advocate properly, how to be a good communicator and not re-traumatize myself while doing that. And so that's what's led me down this path.
01:34:16
Speaker 2: Because you would also have the situation where whilst it's very individual to you and very personal to you, when you look sadly and tragically at the numbers, it's a collective. There's a lot of people who might have similar situations, life experiences to you. They might think they're on their own.
01:34:31
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:34:32
Speaker 14: I thought I was on my own.
01:34:33
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:34:34
Speaker 14: I went to a homelessness conference in Darwin last week and it was actually the first time that I had heard another young person talking about their experiences with homelessness through domestic violence. I thought that my story was unique and as I found out it's not unique and It's moments like that that are really important for young people in finding and rebuilding that sense of community that's often lost when they're experiencing domestic violence.
01:35:00
Speaker 12: Yes.
01:35:00
Speaker 2: So, Minister, with this, I guess you're creating a space too, aren't you, that's safe and it's informed and all of those things that are important because you want to make sure that you do the right thing as a collective but also for the individual. Absolutely.
01:35:13
Speaker 15: Look, the safety and the approach of being trauma-informed, the way in which we deal with the young people is absolutely critical.
01:35:19
Speaker 11: Absolutely.
01:35:19
Speaker 15: And that's why the way this is being set up is that we're partnering with existing organisations that work with children and young people. I want to be really clear about that. We're not asking kids out there to just sign up themselves to a random website and start engaging with government. That wouldn't be a safe way to do things. What we're doing is we're leveraging the existing organisations and they are going to have the communications with young people that they engage with to make sure that they stay safe as part of the process. The other really great thing about this is that this lived experience advisory network for children and young people is going to be able to impact the work of government across all of our different departments and agencies. So the rollout of all the recommendations is taking place over the next 10 years. I'm obviously focused very much on how much we can get done in the next three and a half in this term of government. But all aspects of government are involved. Health, Department for Human Services, Attorney Generals, Police. Now, if those agencies are putting forward a new plan or doing what they're meant to be doing as part of this recommendation delivery, and they need the voices of children and young people, which they should, they can come to the network and they can engage with the network through the safe channels that DHS is organising. So it sounds complicated, but we're making sure that we're keeping the kids safe as part of the process.
01:36:40
Speaker 2: Alice Rowles is our guest minister for domestic, family and sexual violence. And Hannah Park is here, a young person who has lived experience in this and talking about why what's happening now is so important. So we had this conversation off air. Are you surprised by the numbers? And surprised is not the right word. I mean, it's obviously repulsed and disgusted and saddened and shocked and every other adjective you can think of. Just the sheer numbers of people that are affected by this, that's someone on the radio that's learnt more about this over time.
01:37:11
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:37:12
Speaker 2: It's just, I shake my head every time I hear these stories.
01:37:15
Speaker 15: I mean, sadly, the scourge of domestic violence, as we talk about, is everywhere. And I think as a community, over a long period of time, we haven't responded well enough. That's why we had the Royal Commission, which set out a roadmap. My job is to follow that roadmap, implement it as quickly as we can, but also as carefully as we can so that what we set up and build will be long lasting for the future. I'm very impatient to get that done, but we have to do it properly.
01:37:45
Speaker 2: What do you hope to get out of it, Hannah? Have you got a dream? What would you like? What would be the best case scenario for you with this partnership with government?
01:37:53
Speaker 14: Well, for me, the dream would be to be out of a consulting job for it all to be perfect and to... Never have to talk about my experiences and what's wrong again because there won't be anything wrong. But more realistically, I just want to be able to uplift the voices of young people. I want to give a platform not just to myself but to all young people, and that's really what this network is about. It's about not one single young person, not one strong advocate, but a range of different young people who have different experiences being able to inform really robust services and policies.
01:38:29
Speaker 2: I have this conversation. with people involved in the charities that I do work with. Nobody signs up for this. You become an unofficial spokesperson that you didn't ask to be. But do you appreciate the work that you're doing and how much it's respected by everyone because you have become that accidental spokesperson, if you like?
01:38:47
Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely.
01:38:48
Speaker 14: I think for me, it's about being the person that I wish I had when I was younger. I wish I had someone that I could have gone to to speak about my experiences that understood it on a real level. And I've had so many young people reach out to me with similar experiences. I've had so many service providers talking to me about how they can better engage young people. And so for me, the hope is really that we will have better ways of implementing young people into our service design by things like this, by me showing how we can do it.
01:39:21
Speaker 2: Yes. So, Minister, tonight you're launching?
01:39:24
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
01:39:25
Speaker 15: I'm very pleased to say that we're launching this new network at a screening of a film, a short film called Unanswered Calls, which highlights and shines a spotlight on the voice of children and young people and how they experience domestic violence. Now, what's good about this screening, Leith, is that We've got 100 people from across government and members of parliament coming along to that screening. That's 100 senior leaders. I've seen the guest list, a lot of CEOs. And I know for a fact that culture starts at the top and we've got to educate people. We've spent too long as communities not talking about this and not educating people. This is just the start and we'll be doing that tonight.
01:40:04
Speaker 2: You've got the years of 5AA, Hannah, the years of Adelaide. What message would you like people to take away from this chat this afternoon?
01:40:12
Speaker 14: For me, when I talk about young people and their experiences, it's really important to know that a young person experiencing violence doesn't stop experiencing violence when they turn 18 or when they step away. I always say to people, it was only two years ago that I walked into a grocery store by myself for the first time. Now, I stopped experiencing violence at 21. I'm now 24. That's a long time to go. Without any support. And we really need to be wrapping around our young people. We need to be listening to them and we need to sit with them in the discomfort of not having the right answers.
01:40:46
Speaker 2: But, you know, the change is going to be made, which is incredible that you're a part of that. Minister, what would you say, like, again, to our listeners? What do you want them to take away from this partnership on what you're doing?
01:40:56
Speaker 15: Look, there's work happening. Fortunately, we've dropped the ball over a long period of time as a society on this, but we're doing the work and we're going to do it properly. I'm looking forward. People might be saying this is just a talk fest. It's certainly not that whatsoever. This is just the start. We need to make sure we do it properly. I look forward to making more announcements towards the end of this year about uplifting services in this space. And then through the course of next year, developing a brand new service focused on children and young people.
01:41:23
Speaker 3: That work is underway.
01:41:24
Speaker 2: It's happening.
01:41:25
Speaker 15: And I really can't wait to be talking about that. So for young people out there, please do come forward. There are supports available. We're working on making them better, but they're there. We want to hear from you. Come forward.
01:41:37
Speaker 2: Where should people go? What kind of information?
01:41:39
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:41:40
Speaker 15: So there are lots of different ways into women's safety services provides a lot of different help. I mean, even speak to your local GP or trusted educators that you have in your school or trusted adults in your life. It's always a good place to start. The pathways into support are going to differ for each person.
01:41:59
Speaker 2: And as I say, it's something you think might have been done in the past, but it hasn't been, but it is now. So you've got to start somewhere, don't you?
01:42:05
Speaker 11: Exactly.
01:42:05
Speaker 2: So it's incredible that the relationship has been created. Good luck with it. If we can help in any way, shape or form, you're always welcome back. So let us know how.
01:42:13
Speaker 5: We can help.
01:42:14
Speaker 15: Just having this conversation on the radio is an important part of that, and we're grateful to 5AA and yourself for doing that.
01:42:19
Speaker 2: Well done. Alice Rolls, Minister for Domestic, Family and Sexual Violence, our guest, and Hannah Park, H-A-N-A.
01:42:26
Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.
01:42:27
Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
01:42:28
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel your pain, Hannah. See, we're bonding. We knew straight away. We'll take a short break. 23 after three now. Headlines very shortly with Mel Usher. On the other side of 3.30, you're in for a treat. Amber Joy Poulton is here. She has a show coming up here in Adelaide, which is celebrating the world of women. Olivia Newton-John, Shania Twain and more. The show is called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. We will give you a chance to hear that just after 3.30. We also have our $ 50 Quincy's confectionery voucher, our afternoon delight, 50 years of superb locally made chocolate. You can shop in store or online at quincy.com.au. We want to hear your highlights of the weekend. Good news? Anything happen over the weekend that you would like to share? Maybe you went to one of the many festivals across the weekend or functions and get-togethers from the Bay to Birdwood to Cheese Fest to the Lucky Dumpling Market or perhaps even the Heinle Street Country Club, which was excellent on Saturday night. Geoff from Glenelg North before we get to headlines. Geoffrey?
01:43:34
Speaker 11: No, no, no.
01:43:35
Speaker 7: Henley Beach.
01:43:36
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry. I'll have to change the screen, Geoff.
01:43:41
Speaker 5: How many minutes have you got?
01:43:44
Speaker 2: About two.
01:43:45
Speaker 7: Oh, okay. I'll have to bring back another day.
01:43:49
Speaker 10: All right.
01:43:49
Speaker 2: You need a longer discussion?
01:43:51
Speaker 16: Oh, much longer because I'm going to try and explain the demise of trams.
01:43:58
Speaker 2: Oh, all right. I'll tell you what. We will call you back. When we have more time, we will get you on, Jeff, and we'll deep dive into that. I know a lot of people aren't happy. With the tramp situation now and what that has led to, the fallout from that. But, yes, a little tighter time-wise, Geoffrey, than we are at night where sometimes we can talk for a little bit longer. But we will give you a call back. I do promise. 3.30 headlines with Mel next.
01:44:21
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:44:23
Speaker 2: How fast were they going at Tennyson?
01:44:26
Speaker 17: 112 in a 60 zone. Military ride.
01:44:31
Speaker 2: Don't you think? This is where I want to go all shock jock, Bob Francis style. You're done. You had your chance.
01:44:37
Speaker 17: And you were a P-blader.
01:44:38
Speaker 2: You blew it.
01:44:39
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:44:39
Speaker 2: You don't get to drive. Driving is not a right. Driving is a privilege.
01:44:44
Speaker 7: That's true.
01:44:44
Speaker 17: That's true.
01:44:45
Speaker 2: You do 63, 64 in a 60 zone. I get it. We all slip occasionally. When you're doing double, come on.
01:44:53
Speaker 17: Yeah, what kind of demerit points do you get for that, particularly on your P's? You might not be driving again for quite some time.
01:44:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the biggest middle finger of all time. It's like, I'm on my P's. I know I have to behave, but no. In a 60 zone?
01:45:06
Speaker 17: I don't think I've ever done 112 Ks in the city area, in the metro area.
01:45:11
Speaker 6: No.
01:45:12
Speaker 17: Maybe I might have slipped up to 112 in a 110 zone.
01:45:16
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:45:17
Speaker 17: But not in a 60 zone.
01:45:18
Speaker 2: Not in a 60 zone. And then you feel nervous. You're like, oh, I've done two. Is there any speed cameras around?
01:45:23
Speaker 17: I know. There's also a lot of traffic in the metro area. So I don't know on a lot of roads how you could break the limit.
01:45:28
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I feel nervous going through an RPT and I haven't drunk alcohol in four decades. But I still go, oh, here we go.
01:45:35
Speaker 17: I know. I see them like, you know, they pull you over and I hardly ever drink. So I sort of go, yeah. And then they go. Okay, because I'm on the road at odd hours, working odd hours here at the station. So I think they think, oh, I think we've got you.
01:45:48
Speaker 2: Have I had a brandy snap? Would that blow me over 0.05?
01:45:51
Speaker 17: And I always ask. I say, so what did I blow? And they go, oh, 0.00. I go, oh, thank you.
01:45:57
Speaker 2: And then you sort of have a headboard as you walk out. Mel, thank you. We'll see you at four. Take that person's licence.
01:46:03
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
01:46:06
Speaker 2: All right, you're in for a treat. 26 minutes to four. We always try with the live stream because you can see us on Facebook and YouTube if you tune in right now. We always try to really spruce up the last hour, you know, give you something to watch as well as listen to. Amber Joy Poulton is here because she's doing a show on the 21st of November. It's called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. It is the songs of Linda Ronstadt, Tammy Wynette, Olivia Newton-John, and Shania Twain, and she joins me. Lovely to see you. Thank you for coming in.
01:46:37
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
01:46:38
Speaker 2: Hey, congratulations on your career.
01:46:40
Speaker 19: Oh, thanks.
01:46:41
Speaker 2: I know it's been going for a while, and I know you've achieved a lot and done a lot, but I was just having this conversation with you off air. I remember when you first sort of hit the scene, which would have been when, roughly?
01:46:52
Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, I've been singing since I can remember, but I think it was in 2010. I sort of went to Tamworth for the Toyota StarMaker event, But I've been playing in pubs and clubs around Adelaide for years before that. But country music kicked off for me probably in 2010.
01:47:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when I think you got the national recognition. And, of course, as I said to you off-air, we know your husband, Jared Poulton, because he was a star for Port Adelaide and kicked that goal that everyone still talks about.
01:47:18
Speaker 3: Yes, I know. It's amazing how that memory still kicks on. Once a year it comes out on social media.
01:47:23
Speaker 2: So he was, like, doing things and then all of a sudden it was like, oh– Amber's into music not knowing your background.
01:47:30
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:47:30
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you're taking off like a rocket over the next, what, 15 or so years?
01:47:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been touring Australia with A Coal Miner's Daughter.
01:47:38
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:47:38
Speaker 3: So that's a theatre show that sort of has been close to my heart and we've been touring that probably– Well, since 2017, every year.
01:47:47
Speaker 9: All year.
01:47:48
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:47:48
Speaker 3: But we gave it a rest last year. So we've got this new show.
01:47:51
Speaker 2: You've got the new show, which I'm going to talk to you about in depth in a second. Now, I should say you brought in a special guest today too, although I'm told he's not talking. Is that right?
01:47:59
Speaker 3: He will speak if we make him. It's Anthony Stewart. He's been my guitarist for.
01:48:03
Speaker 2: Many, many years. Anthony, lovely to see you. Thank you for coming across. I think I heard you say I'm not speaking. Oh, not much. Well, we're always happy to have you.
01:48:11
Speaker 3: It's how I like them.
01:48:12
Speaker 2: That's right. Hey, so can we go back to the origin? Where was the country music bug for you? Did you grow up in a house of country music? Did you stumble across an album and thought, right.
01:48:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kenny Rogers for me. I grew up listening to him. In the car with the tape.
01:48:30
Speaker 2: Cassette.
01:48:30
Speaker 19: Yeah.
01:48:31
Speaker 2: Me too.
01:48:31
Speaker 3: 20 Greatest Hits. You used to get the biro if you needed to tighten up the ribbon on the tape.
01:48:36
Speaker 2: Remember that? Can I tell you, we had that exact cassette and we used to listen religiously because my dad was big on Kenny.
01:48:40
Speaker 15: Oh, yeah.
01:48:41
Speaker 2: And of all his great songs, Lucille, you know, Reuben James and The Gambler, obviously, there was one on that CD. Martin, John, what's that song? Abraham, Martin and John.
01:48:54
Speaker 19: Oh.
01:48:54
Speaker 2: Do you know that song?
01:48:54
Speaker 3: On that album?
01:48:55
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's on that album or one of those. And it was one of the, like, we could just listen to that. Rewind it back so you could listen again.
01:49:02
Speaker 3: For me, it was Ruby.
01:49:03
Speaker 12: Ruby.
01:49:04
Speaker 3: Don't take your love to town.
01:49:05
Speaker 2: Don't take your love to town.
01:49:06
Speaker 7: Harsh song, lyrically.
01:49:08
Speaker 3: Poor old Ruby.
01:49:10
Speaker 2: So great, though, wasn't he, Kim?
01:49:11
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:49:12
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he was great. So we actually supported him when he came to Australia. So I had my full circle moment, the greatest day of my life.
01:49:18
Speaker 2: So this would have been 10 years ago?
01:49:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. Entertainment Centre?
01:49:21
Speaker 2: So twice, actually.
01:49:22
Speaker 3: The two times he came to Adelaide.
01:49:23
Speaker 10: Yep.
01:49:24
Speaker 3: One was in, I think it was the Adelaide Festival Theatre.
01:49:28
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:49:29
Speaker 3: I don't remember what the other one was.
01:49:30
Speaker 2: I saw him here and it was about a week aside from Dolly Parton. She played and then he played. And it was both in similar weeks or around the same month.
01:49:39
Speaker 3: Well, he was a very friendly man, very lovely, generous with his time. His band were wonderful. We were all sort of fanning around.
01:49:48
Speaker 2: Of course.
01:49:49
Speaker 3: Trying to just get a little bit of sweat from him. Anything that we could say we touched Kenny Rogers.
01:49:54
Speaker 2: He put something down, it was automatically pinched and put away.
01:49:57
Speaker 3: That's right.
01:49:58
Speaker 2: Understandable.
01:49:58
Speaker 3: I loved him because I loved his storytelling, which is what country music is all about for me.
01:50:03
Speaker 2: So the bug is there. And then I guess you're listening to everything, aren't you? Do you think that not only as a fan, but do you think that affected your music, your singer songwriting?
01:50:12
Speaker 3: Definitely songwriting side of things.
01:50:14
Speaker 19: But I.
01:50:15
Speaker 3: We listened to country music growing up, but then I moved to Port Lincoln for a little while, and that's where I started singing. And I was singing Divinals, Melissa Etheridge, Baby Animals, really sort of rock. And I loved that too, but it didn't have the story aspect that I love. And so then when I got married, when I moved back to Adelaide, I played in a band called Flirt. Some of your listeners may remember.
01:50:39
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
01:50:39
Speaker 3: And we played at the Havelock and at the Planet and the Office. We were just all weekend.
01:50:44
Speaker 2: Have you seen the Planet now?
01:50:46
Speaker 3: I think I'm allergic to it.
01:50:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people bypass that part of Perry Street for sure.
01:50:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that sort of kept me busy for a while. And then when I got married and had children, I wasn't really into the nightclubs anymore, as you can probably imagine.
01:50:59
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
01:51:00
Speaker 3: That's when I sort of got asked to fill in as a June Carter for a Johnny Cash show.
01:51:04
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:51:04
Speaker 3: And I realised there wasn't a listening audience out there that weren't intoxicated and wouldn't remember anything about us the next day. So I thought, I'm going to get into that again. And that's sort of when I bounced back to my roots.
01:51:15
Speaker 2: And now, look at you.
01:51:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't do anything else now.
01:51:18
Speaker 2: Now you're on fire. How does the whole Tamworth experience?
01:51:21
Speaker 3: Tamworth, it's a beast. It's really, it's an interesting place. Beast, yeah. I mean, anyone can play in Tamworth. I think there's a notion that you have to be invited or it's exclusive. But anyone, I mean, you could do a Milli Vanilli tribute if you wanted at Tamworth, so long as you were willing to pay for it and take the loss or the win yourself.
01:51:42
Speaker 19: Really?
01:51:42
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
01:51:43
Speaker 3: Anyone can go.
01:51:43
Speaker 2: Do you want to do a Milli Vanilli tribute?
01:51:47
Speaker 11: No?
01:51:47
Speaker 7: No, I don't think I'm needed for that.
01:51:48
Speaker 3: All right, okay. Well, you only get a mime.
01:51:50
Speaker 2: That's true.
01:51:50
Speaker 5: Easy.
01:51:51
Speaker 2: Someone has to sing, but we'll maybe play a tape.
01:51:53
Speaker 3: So, yeah, Tamworth's good, but it's always very hot.
01:51:55
Speaker 11: Yep.
01:51:56
Speaker 3: It can rain at the drop of a hat when you're playing live outside. You're competing. Like if I was going to do a show in Adelaide and I found out that Troy Cassadaly was playing, the next day I'd cancel because why would I play against him?
01:52:09
Speaker 2: Correct.
01:52:10
Speaker 3: But in Tamworth, we're all there and we're all feasting on the same audience. So it's like, you know, it's pretty, yeah.
01:52:17
Speaker 2: Two things I've noticed, Amber, from the country music. So a quick name drop. Casey Chambers is my cousin. I'm related to the Chambers. So Di, mum, Mrs Chambers, is my dad's first cousin. Casey and my grandparents' grandfathers were brothers. So we've grown up with them and we know sort of the industry from that. So the thing that I've always taken away is, number one, everyone we've ever met through them, The Becky Coles of the world, the Lee Kernighans of the world, who all played with the ringers at some stage. The nicest people ever. It's the nicest genre of music ever. I've never met someone who wasn't. Nice. Yeah, well, I mean, of course. Maybe there is one or two.
01:52:55
Speaker 3: Of course, there would be, yeah, for sure. But you don't stay friends with them.
01:52:58
Speaker 2: The other one is the travel that you guys do because the beauty of country music is that you get to go to every great little town, nook and cranny around this country.
01:53:06
Speaker 3: Country music's in the country.
01:53:08
Speaker 2: People love it. And I think what an exciting aspect for you.
01:53:11
Speaker 3: We've been to many a small town and many a big town. Yeah. We've done it all and sometimes you get embraced and sometimes you wonder if anyone knows you're there.
01:53:21
Speaker 2: But don't you think it's nice for them because they always get missed out?
01:53:23
Speaker 3: They love it. It's probably the only audience, country music audience, it's got to be the only genre of people that will come up to you after a show and say, thank you for coming.
01:53:33
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:53:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:53:35
Speaker 3: And definitely what you were saying before, I'm very good friends with Becky and she has been very good to me in this industry, raising me up and putting a spotlight on me when Whenever she can. So, yeah, there is that generosity within the scene.
01:53:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed that too. People are happy to.
01:53:52
Speaker 3: We hang out. Like, it's good. You know, you just sit around and just talk about the industry. And, yeah, it is lovely.
01:53:57
Speaker 2: We had that conversation once about the ladder. So, you climb the ladder in the tree. There are some people, once they get to the top levels of the tree, they pull the ladder up so other people don't join them. Yeah, I love that. Country music people leave the ladder down.
01:54:09
Speaker 3: You know what? That's nice.
01:54:10
Speaker 2: Come and join us. Let's all get on the same train.
01:54:11
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, also, the other thing is we can sing country music until we're dead. So it's one of those industries where you don't have to stop because you're too old. So, you know, going up ladders is going to get harder, isn't it?
01:54:22
Speaker 2: So you do the coal miners, Dawn, you're doing that right around the country and that's uber popular. People are loving you for that. Then you decide, right, I'm going to do the women of the industry. I guess in men I feel like a woman. So obviously what I love, is the sort of the breadth of period of time too because you're not just doing old school. Tammy Winnett's probably the oldest, I guess, of this group.
01:54:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's probably the golden oldie there.
01:54:46
Speaker 2: And she's got incredible songs. Linda and Olivia Newton-John are kind of in the same era, I guess, 70s, 80s through the 90s. And then the explosion of Shania Twain mid-90s, I guess. So you're covering all bases.
01:54:59
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:55:00
Speaker 3: The reason I selected these women was because, I find it really interesting in country music that the audience will tell you whether you're country or not. They will say, that's not country. Yes. They will tell you. They are the guys that will tell you whether you're playing country, true country music or not.
01:55:17
Speaker 2: As Beyonce found out.
01:55:18
Speaker 7: Yes, exactly right.
01:55:19
Speaker 2: That's not country. Just because you're calling it Texas.
01:55:22
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
01:55:23
Speaker 2: Does not mean that it's country.
01:55:24
Speaker 3: You are spot on with what I'm saying. But I always find it really interesting that, Linda Ronstadt is embraced wholly and solely by the country music lovers.
01:55:34
Speaker 19: She's rock.
01:55:35
Speaker 2: She is rock.
01:55:36
Speaker 3: Olivia Newton-John is adored by the country music industry. She was more folk and then she was pop.
01:55:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of disco.
01:55:42
Speaker 3: And Shania Twain, arguably, is a little bit pop. And so I put Tammy Wynette in there to hold them all accountable.
01:55:49
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:55:50
Speaker 3: But I just find it really interesting. So I'm giving the country music audience the songs that they have deemed country and we're fighting it out in like a committee meeting style forum where the band is called the Governing Bodies and the audience are the quorum. And so they get to vote by the end of the night. who is the new queen of country of Adelaide. So there will be a queen crowned.
01:56:14
Speaker 2: Nice.
01:56:15
Speaker 3: And it's ironic because it's never been Tammy Wynette yet and she is the most country out of all of them.
01:56:21
Speaker 2: Come on, Tammy.
01:56:22
Speaker 3: So I ask you country music audiences, what do you want?
01:56:24
Speaker 2: This is it. The 21st of November, that's when we're going to vote. The beauty is, I mean, it's always been great. It doesn't feel like there's ever been a lull internationally or locally. Like Slim held up for so long and Joy was doing incredible work.
01:56:38
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:56:39
Speaker 2: And then it's sort of the baton gets passed, and then it's the Lees of the world, and then obviously Casey, and then a few others after that. Internationally, it's kind of the same. Like Dolly, think of what Dolly did. Dolly and Kenny for so long.
01:56:51
Speaker 3: I know, yeah.
01:56:52
Speaker 2: And now you look at the explosion of country music.
01:56:54
Speaker 3: It's huge at the moment. I agree with you. I didn't think it– people were saying when Beyonce did it.
01:56:58
Speaker 2: The Lickhomes and the Zach Ryans and all of these, they're as big. And the fact that they sell out, you know, right across Australia too, when we're You know, we're not certainly the South of America or parts of that. It's a great credit to the industry.
01:57:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's doing something at the moment. When Beyonce released that album, everyone was saying, oh, country music's going to go crazy. I was like, I'll believe it when I see it. But I think it really is happening. The only issue we have at the moment is obviously the price of travelling.
01:57:26
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:57:27
Speaker 3: Because travelling to these rural towns is becoming more difficult with the price of petrol.
01:57:32
Speaker 2: The price of diesel in a rural town would be nasty.
01:57:34
Speaker 3: That's right. So I live three hours out of Adelaide in Corny Point. So for me to come to Adelaide, it's $ 200. So, you know, to expect the audience to pay for a ticket.
01:57:43
Speaker 2: Yes.
01:57:43
Speaker 3: And then, you know, that's the only thing that's increasingly harder. But if the popularity of country music keeps going the way it is, I think 2027 is going to be great for touring.
01:57:51
Speaker 2: So I was very lucky we grew up with it, but then I got to experience life in America in the 90s. Oh, did you? And I hit the Garth Brooks, Brooks and Dunn, Dixie Chicks era.
01:58:01
Speaker 3: Nice selection.
01:58:02
Speaker 2: Oh, my Lord. And so then they become your favourites ever. And I know that Dixies are now the chicks, but to see them have great chart success too.
01:58:10
Speaker 3: Well, they're on their way back too.
01:58:11
Speaker 2: Encourages more.
01:58:12
Speaker 3: They've got something new coming as well.
01:58:13
Speaker 11: Good.
01:58:14
Speaker 3: It's all happening.
01:58:15
Speaker 2: It is all happening. We're going to take a short break. On the other side, we will hear. What are we going to hear?
01:58:20
Speaker 3: We thought we'd do a Linda Ronstadt song.
01:58:21
Speaker 2: That's the 5AA. Well, all of them, to be fair, are the 5AA demo. That makes you feel old, though, sometimes when you think, Like Olivia's hits were in the 80s. They're 40 years ago.
01:58:29
Speaker 3: But they're so great. The songs are timeless.
01:58:32
Speaker 2: Even Shania is like a good almost 30 years now.
01:58:37
Speaker 3: Yeah. So if she can still do it, we can still do it.
01:58:40
Speaker 2: She was on Glastonbury, I think, a couple of years ago.
01:58:41
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, she's very trendy and hip and happening.
01:58:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's all over it. We're going to do the songs of Linda Ronstadt on the other side of the break. Man, I Feel Like a Woman, 21st of November. This is going to be a lot of fun. You can go to theregaltheatre.com.au. Man, I Feel Like a Woman. You can get your tickets there. This will be a show to believe, and we will hear the dulcet tones of Amber Joy Poulton on the other side. So we love some live music on the radio. You can see this on our YouTube and Facebook live stream, as well as here at Amberjoy Poulton is here. She's doing the music of Shania Twain, Olivia Newton-John, Linda Ronstadt, Tammy Wynette. The show is called Man, I Feel Like a Woman. You can go to theregaltheatre.com.au the 21st of November, 7.30pm. And we'll put all of the details on our socials as well. Anthony's about to play the guitar. Amber's about to belt out a tune. Take it away.
01:59:44
Speaker 10: I've been cheated, been mistreated.
01:59:50
Speaker 12: When will I be loved? I've been put down I've been pushed round Where will I be loved?
02:00:12
Speaker 3: When I find a new.
02:00:14
Speaker 12: Man That I want for mine He always breaks my heart in two.
02:00:22
Speaker 3: It happens every time I've been made blue. I've been lied to.
02:00:35
Speaker 12: When will I be loved? When I find a new man that I want for mine.
02:00:48
Speaker 2: He always breaks my heart in two.
02:00:52
Speaker 3: It happens every time.
02:00:59
Speaker 10: I've been cheated, been mistreated.
02:01:05
Speaker 12: When will I be loved? When will I be loved? Tell me when will I be loved?
02:01:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. Gosh, you've got a good voice. Everyone talks about powerhouse vocals.
02:01:37
Speaker 10: Oh.
02:01:37
Speaker 2: That's nice. Thank you.
02:01:38
Speaker 3: That's very nice.
02:01:39
Speaker 2: I love it when you've got to sit back from the mic.
02:01:41
Speaker 3: I've been told more than once in my life that I'm very loud.
02:01:44
Speaker 2: What's the road trip like from Corny Point to here? You guys must have been bailing out some chants.
02:01:48
Speaker 3: Well, I'm the only one from Corny Point, but no, I just listen to podcasts and the radio.
02:01:52
Speaker 4: Wow.
02:01:53
Speaker 3: I know, no music.
02:01:54
Speaker 2: No, you should wind the windows down and let the locals.
02:01:56
Speaker 3: Enjoy it as you go on.
02:01:57
Speaker 7: No, it's funny, isn't it?
02:01:58
Speaker 3: The more you do it, the less you do it, I suppose, on your quiet time.
02:02:02
Speaker 2: Beautifully done. Now, I think that's always a great way to advertise. There's a little snapshot of the talent that you get for the entire night. No, beautiful. Like it sounded like, close my eyes, it was Linda.
02:02:12
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Well, we do try to sound as much as we can like the women in the show.
02:02:17
Speaker 2: Well done.
02:02:18
Speaker 3: But, yeah, there's some great songs in the show. It's a very good night. It's a fun thing for the audience.
02:02:24
Speaker 2: Shania Twain, Libby Newton, John Tammy and Linda Ronstadt who were just– give me one. What's your all-time favourite of the four? Is there one– have you got a closer that you just think this is.
02:02:33
Speaker 3: My– I know that the audience really loves Shania Twain and I'm happy for them. When I'm doing her songs, I'm happy that they're happy. But I think my favourite would be Linda Ronstadt followed very closely by Tammy because I just love her. I think she's classy and she gave her whole life to country music. You know, she was married six times and I think in the end.
02:02:57
Speaker 2: Well, plenty of fodder for a country song.
02:02:59
Speaker 12: Yeah, I know.
02:03:00
Speaker 3: A lot of her life was country music. She should have probably just left the men alone.
02:03:03
Speaker 10: Yeah.
02:03:03
Speaker 3: No luck there. But, yeah, it's a great show. There's lots of interesting information in there.
02:03:07
Speaker 2: I was about to say, storytelling too as well as song.
02:03:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, because as part of the show, having to get it through the committee, I have to give them some information about their lives and why they should be considered- queen of Adelaide.
02:03:20
Speaker 2: Yes.
02:03:21
Speaker 3: So that's up to the audience to decide at the end of the night who is the queen.
02:03:24
Speaker 2: Love it. Is there an actual crown?
02:03:26
Speaker 3: Oh, why don't we have a crown, Anthony?
02:03:29
Speaker 2: Anthony, find a crown if you can, please. Get the crown. You've got some time between now and the particular show. Lovely to have you both in. Thank you so much for sharing your talents.
02:03:36
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
02:03:37
Speaker 2: Regal Theatre, folks. Put it in the diary. 21st of November. Tickets available?
02:03:43
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:03:44
Speaker 2: Skates on?
02:03:45
Speaker 11: Yep.
02:03:45
Speaker 3: Downstairs is almost full and we're up to the balcony now.
02:03:48
Speaker 2: Okay. So great. There's not a bad seat in the Regal. 21st of November, 7.30, you'll enjoy four of the absolute greats of the industry. You can book your tickets at theregaltheatre.com.au. That is Amber Joy Poulton. Anthony, beautifully played.
02:04:03
Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
02:04:05
Speaker 2: Well done. We'll see you in November. Great to see you. Five minutes to four now.
02:04:09
Speaker 7: 5AA Afternoons with Leith Forrest.
02:04:13
Speaker 2: Someone else who has a lovely singing voice, S. Rowe, Here After Fall with Tim Ginniver.
02:04:17
Speaker 1: I sang once at the Nord Town Hall with Barry Ian and the Dizzy Raymond.
02:04:21
Speaker 2: Cracklin' Rosie?
02:04:23
Speaker 1: No, I Am I Said.
02:04:25
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.
02:04:26
Speaker 1: And an old lady in the front row threw a bread roll at my head. It spooked me and I had to start again.
02:04:30
Speaker 2: Can I just sadden you for a second before you tell us what's on the show? This is going to make you feel old. I reckon you called the Jared Poulton goal.
02:04:37
Speaker 11: I reckon I did.
02:04:38
Speaker 7: SCG.
02:04:39
Speaker 2: Port Adelaide after the Sorent. That was 2002. Oh, God. That's 24 years ago Jared Poulton kicked that goal.
02:04:47
Speaker 7: It was amazing.
02:04:48
Speaker 2: Because I said to Amber off-air, I said, what about that goal? And she goes, the goal.
02:04:51
Speaker 8: The goal.
02:04:52
Speaker 2: You'd be dining out on that forever, as you would. It was a cracking kick.
02:04:55
Speaker 1: Well, you dream about that as a kid, don't you? to kick the goal after the Soren.
02:05:00
Speaker 2: To win again. So Barry Hall kicks it. They're four points up the Swans. Jarrah Poulton gets the goal. Bang. Port Adelaide win.
02:05:07
Speaker 1: Number 27, Jarrah Poulton.
02:05:07
Speaker 2: That's him. The blonde shock of kind of surfy hair.
02:05:11
Speaker 1: Hey, Murray Davis is staying. We're going to chat to Campo over that and his.
02:05:17
Speaker 1: Well, apparently he's been sought out, so we'll get the truth after five.
02:05:21
Speaker 2: Yep.
02:05:22
Speaker 1: Dizzy Gillespie on the second test was watched out. I've never seen a captain.
02:05:27
Speaker 7: Call Will Boll quicker. Yeah.
02:05:29
Speaker 1: The thing was up, and before it hit the ground, Will Boll!
02:05:32
Speaker 2: Scotty Boland's statue was being rebuilt as he was just rolling in for ball one.
02:05:37
Speaker 1: That was a great selection.
02:05:38
Speaker 11: Lion out.
02:05:39
Speaker 1: Bowling in. And 36ers, Zion and Cheatham. The 36ers beat the Tassie.
02:05:44
Speaker 3: They beat Sydney.
02:05:44
Speaker 7: They're back for all.
02:05:46
Speaker 1: On an even kill.
02:05:48
Speaker 7: Love it.
02:05:48
Speaker 1: The Reds start this Sunday. So all our beloved summer sports teams, season on.
02:05:54
Speaker 2: Love it. And the AFLW continue to. Rowie, thank you. We'll see you at four o'clock. Thank you for that. That's a term of endearment for those who are new to the show. We have tickets to another great show that's coming to Adelaide. Mario Maiolo presents Country Royalty. It's the music of Hank Williams and Patsy Cline, Johnny Cash and more. 16th of January at Her Majesty's. First caller through.
02:06:17
Speaker 7: 8223 0055.
02:06:17
Speaker 2: We'd love you to get along and see the Country Royalty show. And congratulations, Jim, from Woodville West. You have won the Quincy's $ 50 confectionery voucher coming your way. Shop in-store or online, quincy.com.au. We'll see you tomorrow.
