FIVEAA Afternoons with Leith Forrest - 19 August 2026

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Speaker 1: Local topical fun. This is afternoons with leith virus.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Mel. Good afternoon everyone, welcome along to the show. It is six minutes after one on this Wednesday, the nineteenth day of August. Big Newsday, lots to discuss. If you'd like to join the conversation. A double two to three double O double oh is my number, as you heard Mel, and if you've been hearing on five double A. The Sydney Swans have handed down their punishments, five players banned for the remainder of the season breaching club standards and behaviors. Will speak to Shane McGinnis from three at w in just one second about that, and you are more than welcome to have your say. Albe it be as careful as you can, because we do know it's in front of police as we speak. Motorists are turning off their driver assist technology.
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Speaker 3: One of the key reasons they're turning it off is that they find it annoying or distracting.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this this afternoon because it's leading to injuries in the thousands, so we'll look at that. Spronti menual will be here to talk real estate. Thanks to tub and toop. Richard Pasco will answer all of your tech questions. Today will celebrate the potato. It's National Potato Days, so we'll speak to the team from Smith's Chips about the mighty potato here in Regency Park for decades as they make away the Angle Vale and Langhorn Creek potatoes. And we'll also discuss one of my favorite topics, and that is Adelaide's heritage buildings, many of which sadly are crumbling into decay, former offices and pubs and nightclubs that are now all empty. We'll speak to an expert about that this afternoon. If you'd like to join us eight double two three double o doublow, you are welcome to text and everyone that makes it to wear is in the running for our family pass to the Royal Adelaide Show where sixteen days away. That's when it kicks off. The show dot com dot or Drake's where you can buy your tickets or of course you can win them right here on five double A. But let's start with the Sydneys.
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Speaker 4: Once we have if we're dead to concerned about their welfare and the well banning of those women. And yeah, we offer as much support as we can. They're the ones who are impacted severely at the moment, and we are here to acknowledge those allegationsledge it's a police matters, so we haven't We're not going to interfere you with that vibe by reaching out to them.
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Speaker 2: Sidney Swan's players Riley Bias, Nick Blakey, Isaac Keeney, James Jordan and Chad Warner will not be picked for the rest of the season and that includes finals. Shane McGuinness from three W and nine Radio joins me, Shane, good afternoon.
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Speaker 5: Hey at Lea's good to be with you.
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Speaker 2: I thought Sydney should hand down this penalty, Shane, but I wasn't honest that they would.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 5: I think they realized the severity of what's happened, and I think we need to first and foremost remember that this is from Sydney's investigation, from the Sydney Swans looking into this a breach of their standards. This has nothing to do with the criminal investigation, the Victorian police investigation. Again, people might wonder who on why we're not talking about the victim and what she's gone through. That is part of the police investigation. This is the other side of it, where there is the football side of it if you'd like, And this is where the Sydney Swans of today clamp down. I think it is a just penalty. I think they probably could have gone with five games, regardless of finals. So at the moment least the rest of the season for Sydney could be five games, it could be three. I would have rather than say five games. If they get to the Grand Final, that's five games. If they don't, then that maybe that a couple of games they missed early next year as well. I thought the other thing that was missing from this penalty was something around respectful women. I mean, this has been where the Swans and the AFL have really copped a beating and kind of the reputation is in tatters for the Sydney Swans when it comes to respect for women. But as a result of what is unfolded, you know, we're going to invest in programs and edgy and to ensure that our players are never put in this position again where they could make this dare I say in inverted Comma's mistake And.
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Speaker 2: We heard Andrew Pridam today, Shane the chair of the Cidny Swans talk about the idea of the culture and the punishment. Well, I think the fact that we've gone to the place where we are today and we've suspepectively suspended the players for the balanced season when.
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Speaker 7: We're heading into a final series, it just tells you how seriously we've we've taken it.
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Speaker 8: Clearly something has gone wrong.
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Speaker 9: They shouldn't have been in that situation of being out that late, and the only way we can deal with it is to put our foot down incredibly hard, which we've done.
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Speaker 2: Because we talk a lot and here a lot, don't we about the Swan's culture.
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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely we do, the Blood's culture Leith and you know, I think, on the most part is a very good culture. But that has all come undone in the most serious way possible. And I thought Andrew Pridam spoke incredibly well today to say that, and he used the words we've basically torpedoed our season because these five players, they are all first picked week in week out. I mean, Isaac Keeney is the faith of football in New South Wales, Chad Warner and Nick Blake, it could well be all Australian picks. They are big names, but that was irrelevant the football outcome, the aspiration for a premiership. The board said that that did not come into our thinking. This was about the breach of standards and what they have done and taking action as a result of that. Have they torpedo their season? They've certainly heard it. Matthew Pavlich said that he was more glass half full in their approach. There will be some injured players that they get back, they will still be competitive and I think you've got to remember two leads. This is five players who have stepped out of line, breached the rules of the club. There are also many players within that team who would be seaving at the moment to think that they have been put in this position and will be wanting to go out and show that hold on on the most part, we are a very football club and show their stands that we are a very good football club as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not fringe players at all. I saw today. Warner, Blakie and Jordan have played all twenty two games for the Swans this season. Heeney and Biser played the twenty We are hearing Shane that the players the five band players are expected to release a statement later today. It will be interesting to see the fallout from that what they are now in the eyes of the football community.
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Speaker 5: Look, it is going to be very hard, I think to release a full, frank an honest statement at this point in timely because you have to show respect to the investigation. Look, I have no doubt the players have remorse, honestly, should they have done what they did, Absolutely not. I mean they shouldn't put them They should never be in a situation where there is an allegation of sexual assault against one of them. Absolutely not. However, I have no doubt that they're remorseful. This issue or this story will not die off until police have finished their investigation. That's the longer the short of it, And the reality is is that they're probably lucky that they're in Sydney as opposed to a Melbourne or an Adelaide, where there may be some less recognition of them. But make no doubt they'll be doors stopped at the club inevitably and force to answer some very uncomfortable questions. But yeah, they can put out a statement. I have no doubt it'll be full of remorse. They've let themselves down, They've let the team down, which they have. I have no doubt they'll be incredibly apologetic. But this story going away into the police investing invigation goes on, and we're told too that Sydney may still have further sanctions too once the outcome of that investigation is clear too.
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Speaker 2: So there is still a lot to play out, isn't there from an AFL front, a policing front, and also what the Swans do post that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think as far as they can, Sydney in the AFL has taken action, except for maybe a little bit more when it comes to programming programs and education around respectful women. I think this one's in conjunction with the AFL, and make no doubt it is in conjunction with the AFL. Had done the right thing. So then we wait for the police investigation now and whilst everyone has questions about it, everyone has questions about the victim that the club can't be expected to answer that. That's the reality. They can't. They have to let police do their job, and there were reports today that the victim herself has been interviewed by police. Clearly, if there is further action from police, then the Swan's board will have to come back together and go all right, what action do we take from here? But they can't be expected to pre empt that. I certainly don't believe.
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Speaker 2: Shane McGinnis is my guest from three W and nine Radio. Spoke to a friend today, Shane, who's a Swan supporter, been following the social media in terms of the Facebook pages for members. There's a lot of fans of Sydney who are very unhappy with these players, asking for their money back when it comes to membership. We heard a lot today about the corporate sponsors too, from both Andrew Pridam and Matthew Pavlich. How do you see that playing out from business point of view?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, qv Insurance put out a statement how disappointed they are and obviously the whore what the allegations that have come out. I mean, there will be backlash to this, there is no doubt about that. And this is why you know the players that still remain and are a part of this team. I mean, they want to go out and show hold on, we still have pride in our jumper despite what these other five have done. I think they will have a long way to go toward showing that they are sincere in the mistakes that they have made. I really think that they will have to reassess their football program and the rules around it. Matthew Pavlich said today that you know, when it comes to curfews and things like that, that'll be up to Dean Cox and Callam Mills and Leon Cameron, the leaders of the football department. This has to come from the top down. This should be coming from Andrew Pridman, Matthew Pavlich as well. They say, you know what, this club has lost its right to go out after a game. We go back to the hotel. Do you want to have a beer in the hotel lobby? Are in a function room of the hotel. That's done. But you don't go out on our watch anymore. I mean, this is done for season twenty twenty seven. Sorry. The rules have to come from the top. This isn't just a football to partmenty see, this is a club issue now. And whilst it is five in particular that have stepped out of line, and potentially more, the whole club is under scrutiny and they have to win that respect back. So I wouldn't be expecting that any players after any game next season when they're on the road are going out for beers at a local hotel in Adelaide, Perth, Gold Coast, wherever it might be, because they need to get respect back. They need to focus on the task at hand. And more than that, obviously, the five involved need to earn the respect back and well that I mean it's hard. Everyone deserves a second chance. Let's just wait and see what the police findings are before we go.
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Speaker 2: Of it further. So you work with a lot of ex football as a thread, but you're friends with a lot of football. As you talked earlier about the teammates. I wonder what this does for the locker room. I wonder if this creates a device Shane like, can you win the respect back of your teammates and the people that you walk through the halls? The RFLW players, the hierarchy of footballers. Some of these players are superstars and their careers will go. But I wonder the couple that are on the fringe. I wonder what that looks like.
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Speaker 5: I would suggest if there are indiscretions within the club that the public don't know about, then maybe they do have their futures looked at. I mean, we see a lot of footballers come back from ground zero and remodel themselves, get their careers back on track more often than not, though it is at a different club. Now. Whether well five of these players, whether a couple of them are forced to find a new home, a strong possibility. But there is a lot of asking for forgiveness. Absolutely there is, and we always talk about it a team first mentality. These five individuals have not put the team first. They have put themselves in a position whereby they have gone out, come back to a hotel, brought women back to a hotel at four o'clock in the morning, and such that there are allegations of sexual assault. They should have never ever have put themselves in that position, by any stretch of the imagination. And they went back forgiveness probably from some, but they're going to have a hell of a lot of work better.
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Speaker 2: It is so stupid, Shane, it's so selfish, and it's so entitled. That's my takeaway from this whole saga. Frank on the text has a great point. He said, you pick up the papers and you're seeing photos of Isaacini and his fiance. Should she not be given the privacy like do we as the media, Shane, do we need to be better right across the board, how we report this, how we talk about this.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think in fairness, the partners put themselves out there as well. Leave. I mean, they're out there with whether it's Isaacini or Chad Water walking red carpets. I think that kind of goes to the narrative as well. I don't think the women should be harassed or you know, doorstopped, or the paparazzi or anything like that. But I mean, these are the photos that are freely available on Instagram. There's no breach of privacy here. I certainly don't believe that their privacy should be breached by any streets of the imagination. The men are the front and center to it, but I think, you know the fact that they kind of portray that, you know, I'm happy in my relationship and everything's unky door and then go out and behave like this. Yeah, there is a bit of a narrative there, and I feel sorry for those women involved because you know, they've got to work through that with their partners. That's really tough. I mean a very different circumstance. But I felt incredibly for Jules Niil earlier in the year. You know, when she was being bombarded with paparazzi. I mean it wasn't her fault. I mean that was on a completely different level and a completely different incident and didn't have the criminality that this potentially has. Does the media have a role to play? Look, the media is following us story and I think at the end of the day, and Leathy and I have spoken about it that first and foremost, there is that importance for the victim and showing respect to her and what she's gone through and she should never have gone through that We all agree with that. But the fact of the matter is that there is a football element here as well. And you know Melburnians, those in Adelaide, you know, we love our footing. And what impact does it have on those at the club who weren't involved on the night, How does it affect their season? There is interest there and I think the media has probably been a little bit too far critiqued in some circles saying oh, we shouldn't be talking about football, we shouldn't be talking about Premiership. There is a story there and I think some people are interested.
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Speaker 2: And tens of thousands of people give their time and their effort more importantly shown their money as members. They are invested in this football club, so you can understand why that. I appreciate your time this after noon. Final question, are you expecting that we'll hear anything from the AFL host this punishment from Sydney today? We're expecting any kind of punishment from the AFL soon?
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Speaker 5: No, No, I don't think so. I would love Andrew Dillon just to come out and go this contact isn't acceptable. We're going to send out a warning to all eighteen clubs. Watch yourself. You shouldn't be going out three until three thirty in the morning bringing women back to your hotel room when you are on club time, when you are on AFL time. I would love for him to come out and do that. Surprised he hasn't. I think he needs to.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Shane, appreciate your time this stuff noon Shane McGinness three ot W nine Radio. You can hear Shane part of our weekend football coverage here on five double A. You can have your say. Again, be sensitive, it is an issue that is in front of the police. But if you've got a thought on this whole situation eight double two to three double O double O or you are welcome to send me a text. Riley bis, Nick Blakey, Isaac Keeney, James Jordan, Chad Warner. No more games for the rest of the season, including finals, double A afternoons with Leep Forest. Twenty five minutes after one eight double two to three, double O, double O. Peter from Fulham Gardens get afternoon, Pete's Are you there, Peter? No, Peter from Fullhing Gardens. We're calling back in just one moment. I know he wanted to talk about the punishments handed out to the Sidney Swans players when it comes to some of the punishments that have been handed out to Adlai Crowe's players of recent time. So we'll get to him in just one moment. Helen says, regarding the Swan's players, the ghastly situation should never have happened. Not sticking up for them, But why were the women out at this time? No, Helen, I don't think we go down that path. That's victim blaming there. I don't think you want to do that. So let's let this all play out. Let's have the police do the investigation. But nobody deserves any kind of abuse in any way, shape or form, so it doesn't matter what time you're out, what you wear, etc. Like, Let's not do that, Let's let the police deal with that situation. But thank you for the text. I've said this for years, says Dan. The maturity level of AFL players is incredibly low when it comes to deciding right or wrong. It's like they've never grown beyond their teenage years. You might be giving them an out, though, Dan, because they get a lot of training. I mean, a lot of people in a lot of workplaces get training, but you would argue that AFL players get more than most. And these are not young players. Some of these are well established senior leadership figures and they still do this. That's why it's so bewildering. I think for me particularly some of the people. You can imagine a fringe player or somebody that's young and naive and stupid, but these are grown men who are still being incredibly selfish and stupid. Imagine the fracture within that dressing room and clubroom. How do you walk in and apologize and look people in the eye knowing that you've done that to their professional careers, not just what's alleged to have happened. I mean, it's just entitlement of a whole different level. Andrew said, the media need to do better. The show and five Double A never called out the ABC when there was the violence against women. This is where it starts, Andrew, that was called out on a number of shows. This has been an ongoing problem. This is not an ABC issue. There are levels right across society and through media. You could argue with that too, But again I think Shane might be right too. Maybe it's a lot of focus coming on the media when it's the Sidney Swans boys who are in trouble here. Do you remember late last year in Isaac Rankin had his indiscretion, says another suspended for the rest of the season, including finals, and one or two games this year two games is nothing. The Swans board obviously care more about their players playing in finals and having a chance at a premiership. Well again, it would be so they've got next week, which is the dead rubber in the end of this weekend against North Melbourne. There would be final one because they finished second. If they were to bow out in straight said, you're right, it would be three games. If they were able to jag one or two of those wins. It gets into the three four five realm so and Sue said no, I might not read that one so in hindsight, but thank you, Karen says remorseful. It is an overused word by sportsmen and women. How many times do we hear this and yet this sort of behavior still occurs. I also hope the coaching staff was spoken to as well for being out late. I feel for the players' partners too, So do I, Karen? So do I? One thirty headlines are on the way with Mel join us on the other side. We're going to talk motoring and an issue that people are doing with their cars that might be endangering their life.
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Speaker 1: Five double A Afternoons with.
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Speaker 2: Leaf Forest twenty seven minutes to two do if you'd like to be a part of the show A double two to three double O double OW or you're welcome to text or email. Can I just put it now? Stop the text messages where you are blaming the victims here. The ladies in question here do not say that it is their fault at all. I'm not going to read them. I staggered. People are texting it in to be honest, so enough of that. Please let the police do their investigation, but to try and push any blame away from the players onto the victims in this case is just wrong. First and foremost, Claire, on the email before we get to Trent, said, I'm disgusted with Shane's comments regarding the advertiser photo this morning. The City players fiance would be going through hell to say the partners of AFL players put themselves out there because as partners they attend red carpets. The partners of those Swans players would be feeling devastated and humiliated right now. They should not have their photos splashed in the media. Show some respect, Claire. It's a good point you raise. I think what shame was trying to say, Maybe you didn't quite get the words right for it. I think it's one of the unfortunate byproducts of being a public figure is that you are splashed on red carpets and brownlows, etc. So there is a public interest in a public knowledge of who you are. But I'm with you, like the I don't think the partners should be on the front page of the paper. I think they should be left out because you imagine the trauma that's going on there. Conversations between fiancees and partners, etc. So, as we said yesterday on the show, there are no winners to this. That's why I asked the question, do we as a media need to do better? All of us? You would hope that the partners certainly aren't door stopped to try and get comment for television or for radio. And again yes, but newspapers or magazines, I don't think they're not the story. Let them do what they need to do privately. They don't need to be part of this. Thanks Claire for the email. I appreciate it. Let's turn the motoring. Always great to catch up with Trent Nikolick. I was fascinated by this story reading this morning. Experts are saying that more than seven thousand seriously injuries and deaths on our road could be prevented if drivers stop doing one thing, and that is switching off the car driver assist technology. Fiveba's motoring expert, Trent Nikolick.
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Speaker 10: Lovely to have you on, Trent, Well, I made good afternoon to all your listeners.
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Speaker 2: I do not have this technology. My toy outa Kluger, is so old, Trent, that I am the driver assist technology in this Can you explain why people were doing it and why this would be an issue.
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Speaker 10: Look, I drive a lot of new cars. Obviously I owned and I sold it recently, a twenty twenty one toy out to land Cruise that it didn't have any of it, which was one of the reasons I bought it, to be honest. So basically, and I, like you, have learned to drive and respect the fact that the driver assist technology is in your case and my case, the idiot behind the wheel. But the reality of all these modern cars is they've got all sorts of things like forward mitigation, collision alert, rear cross traffic alert, lane keep assist, blind spot monitoring, all this technology that basically monitors what's going on around you, in front, behind, and beside you, so that if you've got your blind spot monitoring active and you put your blinker on to change lanes and there's a car in your blind spot and alarm will go off, so that you know that there's a car there. I read this same report that you did, and evidently what people are doing and this is part of the problem. A lot of the cars, and I say this a lot, just because they have the technology doesn't mean that the technology works well, all the time. So a lot of people like me get in a car, I test it to know that it's there, and I understand that it's working, and then the first thing I do is work out how to turn it all off because I find it infuriating. Evidently other people are doing that, and then they're having accidents that would otherwise be avoided if the technology was still turned on.
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Speaker 2: So there's probably a two part question to this, Trent. One, do you think your cars almost a helicopter parenting us? Are they? Is it almost too much of a nanny state in our car?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 10: I definitely agree with that, And I was just about to say that a lot of the times when these reports come out, they're used as a tool to advocate for the technology that's in the cars. What needs to be said here, and this is me being particularly harsh, but let's say these seven thousand accidents were avoidable if the technology was doing what it should do. Let's just say then that seven thousand idiots behind the wheel were text messaging, otherwise occupied, eyes off the road, not paying attention to what they were doing, and driving pretty poorly in order to have the accident that they had. Because what this would say is that if I'm meandering down the road at thirty k's an hour using my phone when I shouldn't be, and I've got forward collision avoidance on, the car will slam on the brake so I don't run into the car in front of me. In real terms, I'm a fool for playing around with my phone when I shouldn't be. So I think you're right. I think part of this problem is that modern cars are so aware of everything that's going on around them electronically that they're making otherwise lazy drivers even lazier or even less effective than they would otherwise be.
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Speaker 2: Is there also an element to it, though, Trent, that we got to wear some blame and maybe acknowledge to ourselves and except that we aren't the great drivers that maybe we think we are, and the technology is just reinforcing that.
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Speaker 10: Look. Yeah, that's another good point as well. I think that in terms of discipline, our ability to be courteous on the road, respect for other drivers, awareness of what's going on around us, I think Ozzie A is some of the worst drivers in the developed world. I just think we really do. We do represent very very badly, and you only need to look at the road rage incidents that's are around in all the major cities, all the stupid, little avoidable accidents that could have happened. This is all just because of inattentive driving, being distracted by things, not paying attention, et cetera, et cetera. You know, somebody bumbling down on a highway in the fast lane doing ten k's under the limit then gets everybody else around them annoyed, so then they try to undertake in the left lane and you get dangerous driving and so on and so on. So I think there's a very good point there that maybe we're not as good as we think we are, and maybe we should be relying on the technology more than we otherwise would. But I do question. I've said for a long time leaf that I think, compared to my contacts and family that I have overseas in other parts of the world, it's far too easy to get your license in Australia, and then it's partly too easy to keep it once you have it as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that one hundred percent. Tre Nikolick is my guess five double A motoring experts, So Trent, again, my experience with this is limited because of the car that I've had for such a long time doesn't have any of these features. That being said, when I've gone overseas and we've rented a car, there have been a couple of times, you know, the one where the steering wheel kind of violently sort of shuts you back into the middle of that. There's one where if you get to a certain speed limit, maybe there's a siren or a beat that goes off. What are there features like that regularly and newer cars that people are getting frustrated with? Where you go, you can almost understand why people would turn them off.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, And I can certainly understand because I do it right, and I can guarantee you We've got listeners listening to us right now who live on the outskirts of the city and travel out into the rural areas in South Australia that would understand exactly what I'm about to say. So you're driving down a country road, you've got the lane keepers system on. A poor kangaroo has been unfortunately hit and it's sitting towards the outside of the lane. You're trying to steer around it so you don't drive over it. And the lane keeperssist will just be trying to drag you back into the center of the lane and in other words, make you drive straight over the top of it, and you're almost fighting the car. So I think in a lot or the other example would be a wapping, great big pothole you're trying to avoid so you don't blow your tire or buckle your rim, and the lane keep assist would otherwise try to drag you into the center of the road. So there are multiple examples in especially once you get out of the city, where a lot of this technology doesn't work in the way in which it's intended. The other thing is that a lot of the systems, even in the city.
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Speaker 5: They get spooked.
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Speaker 10: So I've had situations where cars have slammed on the brakes because they think they've seen something that I'm going to run into and there's nothing.
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Speaker 5: In front of me.
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to hit anything. Or you're turning around a gently sloping corner, a gently curved corner, and it thinks you're going to go straight, so it's slamming on the brakes or flashing a warning because it thinks you're going to run into a parked car that's on the outside left of the road. So I think there's a lot of examples where the technology doesn't necessarily work in the real world the way that it's intended to work. And that's why, as I said, I'm guilty of testing the systems so that I can say to you, if a listener rings up and says does it work well in a GWM which I'm sitting in at the moment that I'm testing, I can say yes it does or no it doesn't. I test it, but then I turn it off because I completely understand how annoying it is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's interesting from the insurance company they were talking about the type of crash type reductions, side swipes and head ons and lane changes. It appears like the people that they were talking to they said, look, we don't mind the blind spot warning of the forward collision warning, but we don't want it where the car drives for us but it's steering or breaking.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, I've said to you and your listeners before. My personal opinion is that we're a long long way away from what I would consider confidence inspiring autonomous driving out in the real world amongst other people driving around normally, I think we're a long way away from that. I guess technology that avoids accidents, like, for example, rear collision mitigation or rear cross traffic alert that was designed to prevent somebody reversing out of their driveway and running over their child that ran out behind the car and you didn't see them right. So you can't look at technology like that that potentially saves a life or multiple lives and say we don't need it.
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Speaker 12: Why have we got it?
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Speaker 10: So? I think a lot of it makes a lot of sense, and a lot of it is there for a very good reason. But I think some of it when it gets to the point and the steering assists that you're talking about, which is usually called lane keep assist or lane centering assist, that's almost like the car tron drag you back to where it wants you to be, rather than you telling it what to do. And I would agree with the results of that survey that I'm not a big fan of that at all.
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Speaker 2: Jason has a question for you in Saulisbury Ace. Jason, far away. You're speaking to Trent Nicolick.
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Speaker 11: Oh God, Trent. Late last year, my day comes to a new kid Carnival okay, so doesn't have that we call lane assist, but has the bleeping your osition and when you go the line. Something that noison though? Is it tills when you go over the spilitis when you go under peaks like here, when you go under spill it. What's the point of that?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, I know. And one of the problems is these systems are not smart enough to know when a school zone is out of operation. So you go through a school zone on a Saturday at eleven o'clock and it's screaming at you because you're doing sixty not forty. The reality is the school zone not in effect with a lot of cars, mate, and I need to rack my brain to work out whether the Carnival is one of them. You can go into the operating system and you can have the overspeed limit put up to say one hundred and twenty kilometers in our SOI unless you're doing more than one hundred and ten on the freeway, it won't go off because if you set it at sixty, every time you're in a seventy or an eighty zone, it's going to be going crazy, which is infuriating. And again that's another point mate, that a lot of modern cars have a speed limit warning that's both visible and audible. The other thing that you can do with a lot of new cars is make it visible only so it flashes on the display, but turn off the audible part so it doesn't make a noise.
00:31:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's the issue for a lot of people. This one from Paul on the text, he says, Trent, a license is obtained by corn flakes. Packet used to be an old jug years ago on positive. Now it's true, you're a believer in that. What do you think we should be doing more to allow licenses nating?
00:31:50
Speaker 10: You know, it's fascinating, mate, because when whenever you say this, you tend to get And generally it's older people who revolt to this, but you tend to get. My line is a ride. You know, I've tested once.
00:32:02
Speaker 5: I know how to drive.
00:32:03
Speaker 10: I'm not an idiot. First of all, it's not a right. It's a privilege. So it's given to you by somebody, so therefore it can be taken away from you by somebody. Right, So it's a privilege, not necessarily a right. That's the first thing. And I include myself in that. Otherwise we wouldn't have speed limits, and we wouldn't have offenses where you can lose points and lose your license. I've always said that why wouldn't we advocate for more and more and more training for everyone? Like if you said, we look at the amount of money that governments waste on stupid projects, and they funnel into areas where it doesn't belong. If you said we're going to give everybody over the next twelve to twenty four months a free defensive driving course in their local, local town, I reckon people would be lining up in their hundreds of thousands, because to understand how to mitigate an accident, to understand what happens when you're on a wet road as opposed to a dry road, or when you're on loose gravel as opposed to a sealed surface, lots of things that people might not necessarily have done. I think is particularly smart to teach people that. The other thing is you can get your license. Use New South Wales as an example. You can get your license, get your peas probably without ever having driven at night in the dark on a country road with no lights, on a gravel surface, in pouring rain, in crazy wind early in the morning, when the sun's reflecting off the road and you can't see anything. You could do all of your testing and learning in the optimal period to be driving when it's really easy to drive, get your peas and then fire straight onto a gravel road in pouring rain and have no idea what you're doing.
00:33:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point, and Trent, I'm even happy to put my ego to one side and admit my fault in this. I was able to drive the first time in Los Angeles with just my Australian license, having never driven overseas before. I sat in the left lane and thinking I was doing the right thing and was getting abused by everyone. I had no idea what the speed limit was on the freeway from Las Vegas. I've got everyone going at X amount of miles per hour and what because I've flashed my Australian and I felt every time I'm at the intersection, you know, loose left, tight right, Okay, I've got to go this way. You can't have that.
00:34:10
Speaker 10: No, no, no, no, absolutely not. And look that's the case all around the world. And I've done a lot of driving in the States. I've done that drive from La to Vegas many times over the years, and you're absolutely right. Like you head out on a road the speed limits fifty five miles an hour, everyone's doing at least seventy. You're doing seventy. Then someone wants to do ninety and you're getting beats at they They drive crazy over there in California, that's for sure. But you're absolutely right that probably if we have the same situation here. So if one of my relatives can come here from Europe and just pick up a higher car and drive out into you know, Sydney or Adelaide traffic in peak hour without any idea what they're doing, that's not ideal either. And I just think that, you know, if we can make more drivers more safe when they're on the road, or safer i should say when they're on the road, that is hardly a bad thing when you think about the fact that if even one person dies in a traffic accident and there's one.
00:35:03
Speaker 2: Too many, Yes, and revisit as they get older too. Graham has a question for you in Henley Beach. Graham, you're speaking to Trent.
00:35:10
Speaker 7: Trenton Leathum percent agree with your driving in America. It's very difficult to switch from driving on the left hand side of the road you're driving on the right hand side of your brain is wide.
00:35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, you certainly, you certainly concentrate more. I find I'm a better driver in the States because I'm so working hard, Graham, to make sure that I'm driving correctly, correct, correct.
00:35:33
Speaker 7: Look, the brief I've gotten I tended to agree with Graham Goodings is something new easy vehicles. The screens on them are massive, and they have menus and it controls everything. And you have to go through a menu to turn the air conditioning on. You have to do this. You have to do that. You cannot tell me that is not a distraction.
00:35:54
Speaker 10: Well, Graham, mate, I'm sitting at the moment in a brand new GWM or A five, which is a fantastic little electric vehicle. The center infotainment screen probably isn't much smaller than what my parents' television was in the seventies when I was born. It's huge. And the only physical buttons in the console I'm looking at them while I speak to you, is air conditioning fan on and off, the actual AC itself on and off, one button for the dimista and that's it. And then the hazard switch that's it. Everything else, everything else is controlled through the center screen. So I've got to go in there to adjust the temperature, the fan speed of the air con, switch between Apple maps, if I've got my phone connected as I do now, or answer a phone call, or if i want to change the radio station, things like that. So I tend to agree that far too many of these modern cars have got far too much control through that center screen, which requires you to take your eyes away from the road. Because if you in an older car had a volume dial to turn it up and down, all you needed to do is know where the volume dial was, reach for it to it up and down. But if you've got to do that via a screen, you have to hit the screen, find where the control is plus plus plus minus minus, whatever it is. It's way more distracting. Completely agree.
00:37:10
Speaker 2: Trent Andrew says on the tech should we have driving reviews in aviation, you have by any or flight reviews to brush up on your skills and address change laws. Got my license at seventeen, I'm fifty seven now I've never had a review.
00:37:23
Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree, I'm fifty Same thing I mean, would you get on a bus if the bus driver said I was last tested fifty years ago? Or would you get on a plane or a helicopter if the pilot said no? The last assessment I did was forty or fifty years ago. I mean modern cars. Modern cars have changed a lot. The technology is different. Even the methodology with which that you break in a modern car is very different. Like in the old days, you used to have to get on the brake really quick, release at brake, release brake so that the wheels didn't lock. With a modern car, you have to push the pedal through the wall to activate the abs right, which is a completely different technique now most people. It's funny when you speak to an advanced driver trainer, they'll tell you that when they sit down with most people to go through the course, they've never experienced a full ABS emergency stop in their new car. Now that's concerning because you need to understand what the car is going to do when you use the brakes like that.
00:38:19
Speaker 2: Tom says, the law says you can't use your phone, but you can use a car NASA screen, which is interesting. John from some of the park, you can have the last question for trend nicoleect.
00:38:29
Speaker 13: True questions quickly. One is that this blind spot with a side mirror. If you set your mirror properly, you don't have a blind spot most people have. That's seems a wrong the side of their carc ridiculus anyway. The other thing is my speed on in the MESCXCI they're out by four and five ks, so if I'm doing sixty, I'm actually doing fifty six of my new Iszuzu and my wife and move fifty five and a Mexcipe. Why can't they get that right?
00:38:55
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a really good point, and part of that problem. Electric cars are better because they do the readings differently, and some new cars run the digital speedo off GPS, which is more accurate. But you're absolutely right, and it's got to do with just wear in the componentry and the turning mechanism within the gearbox at the wheel, speed sense or whatever it is. As your tires wear, the rotating diameter is different, but you're absolutely right. The good thing is it reads under not over, so if you say you're doing one hundred on the speedo, you're probably doing ninety five or ninety six, so you're not going to get booked, which is good. But you're absolutely right. That most speedos are not one hundred percent accurate.
00:39:31
Speaker 2: And to finish, Sean said, Trent, I just purchased an AMG CLA forty five s. It's a beautiful car, but the safety is doing my head in to turn half of it off. Says Sean.
00:39:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, that is a beautiful car. Sean, congratulations, but he's right. Yeah, And merks have got a lot of technology that I tend to want to turn off as well. So I feel his pain.
00:39:50
Speaker 2: So, in a word, should we leave our security on? What do we do? The drivers assist?
00:39:56
Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I reckon when you're bumbling around town, dropping the kids off at school, doing the groceries, et cetera. Just leave it on. As annoying as it is, just leave it on because then if you have an accident, your insurance company is not going to come to you and say why did you turn it off?
00:40:10
Speaker 2: Great advice, always great to catch up Trent. Thank you, we'll speak to you soon.
00:40:13
Speaker 10: Pleasure made.
00:40:14
Speaker 5: Bye bye, Trent.
00:40:14
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00:41:33
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00:41:36
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00:42:40
Speaker 3: So it's funny that's a question without notice because I was onto a planner on Monday Monday about that because there's a property in North Adelaide surrounded by heritage, heritage heritage everywhere. It was built in the nineteen sixties. I'm not going to disclose it, but in my opinion unit does has very very minimal heritage associated to it. So it's heritage listed, it's got local heritage on it, which I've got for the life, and you can't understand why if that wasn't local heritage, the property be worth twice the price. So we just really had to ask the question of what is the likelihood. We don't think it actually contributes to the character of the area. There was significance associated based upon what it is, but not hugely significant. And yeah, we just said to the older as let's asked the question, see what the story is if the property can be knocked over and something actually more character built there or modern one or the other, it'll be twice the price. And if it remained heritage, you've got a very unique building that not much can happen to. It will be probably half of what you would call market rate.
00:43:54
Speaker 2: You can't do anything compromise, you can't rebuild, you can't do anything to it.
00:44:00
Speaker 3: Certainly come you can try, but there's not character. So if you've got a beautiful, big, old character property that's heritage, people like you can renovate and work within it because people love that beautiful heritage. When it's in that middle ground and it's not really heritage, but it's heritage listed, people don't pay for the character. You've got this non character property that you spent heaps of money. Does that make sense? So a classic example, a really classic example, was one twenty three Kensington Road, Anthony and Sylvia's property. All right, So that property is on about three thousand square meters on Kensington Road. The home was approximately eleven hundred and fifty square meters of size, and the home was it's like nineteen twenties or so, right, could have got the year wrong, might have been ten or thirties, but you know what I mean. Cost you a like to rebuild eleven hundred and fifty square meters would be seven eight nine million dollars just to rebuild the house. Then if you had three thousand and square meters in Norwood back when that was being sold, back when that was being sold, that was easily at the time three thousand a square meter, which is going to land you at six million in land. Then if you were to go, well, the build's going to be more than six together, you basically had a heritage building that needed renovation. If you wanted to know at that end of the market, people in a court and a pull on that sort of land, which would have then if you paid four million for it put you into the five and a halfs And then people at five and a half were going, I want to be on a quiet road, not a main road. This all looks like a bargain now in retrospect, and I was having conversations with eighteen and sil just going, hey, right now, if you can get three and a half four for this, you're doing well. If we can remove the home, it's worth six. If you want to just rebuild the home, and by the land it's probably worth twelve to thirteen. But a'm the combination that it's in right now because of that for and run there.
00:46:05
Speaker 2: Is that you would know most homes and houses and bits and peace, it might have been one of yours. I'm not sure there's a house in the Western Suburbs that I've always loved that I'm pretty sure it's heritage listed. If you know the intersection Henley Beach Road and Tapleysiil Road, there's a service station that's kind of poked in behind that. It's like an old school mansion, big block hang on. It's been sold a couple of times recently. Yeah, and I think it's yeah that every time I drive past it ail with that man. If I want a lot, I'm buying this house. I like the area, I love this house, love the character of it. But I from what you hear in the neighborhood that that's the issue with that one too. It changes hands all the times because people can do nothing with it.
00:46:40
Speaker 3: So heritage becomes a challenge, Like I don't really want to blow up the phone lines. But there's instances very close to me that we've parted ways with now. But where there's a block of land and there's an old heritage building on the property. So well, okay, let's be open with it Golden Grove with our office that Golden Grove there right. Originally around there the Fairmont that was like a subdivision that took place around there, right. So the person that did that development, they needed to spend money and restore this old Golden Grove house. What they realized is that they're going to have to spend back then three times what it will be worth to resell for. So they said, hey too, but you want a big block of land, like, give it to your cheap. But hey, the condition is you need to renovate this building.
00:47:33
Speaker 2: So then two.
00:47:34
Speaker 3: Becomes along and builds a thing and then goes, oh shit, is if we spend a bomb on this thing, it's not worth anything. So then Tupe said to Heritage, is it significant to you? They said yeah. He said, cool, I'm going to subdivide it off and give it back to you for free. They said, oh, it was not that.
00:47:51
Speaker 2: Significant to us, do you mean? So then? Anyway, I then looked at it and going oh, let's cut it off.
00:47:57
Speaker 3: So then I offered that building to somebody for eight with eight hundred square meters of land on it for free. Because then that actually made the development look more feasible, of course, because otherwise we're going to spend a million on it and we're going to get less than that back for it.
00:48:15
Speaker 2: And it was so what happened is everyone's keeps kicking the can down the reads. What do we do?
00:48:19
Speaker 3: We sell the whole property and now someone else is probably having all the same conversations.
00:48:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry to take you off on the they're talking about the ABC building too. It Collins would make in that heritage listed and saying that you cannot touch it.
00:48:32
Speaker 3: So that that that's a classic example, very similar to what I'm talking about in North Adelaide.
00:48:37
Speaker 2: That building the you know, I mean you renovate within it.
00:48:41
Speaker 3: The character of it doesn't permit it in a way and makes it a real challenge. Jen and I the property we just bought. That's local heritage. But I don't know, like it's interesting. So put it this way back in the day when we were writing an ad, I whant I say back in the day. I've only been in realized they seventeen years, right, But for the first four years of my career, if it was state heritage or local heritage, Mate, we are putting that in the ad state Heritage listed because that means this property is of significance and you, as the buyer, are going to pay more for that property because it is state significance, right, like, hey, my property state heritage, like this is the business right. And then secondary to that was local Well, it's significant to the local area because the mayor lived there, et cetera, et cetera. Now people come in and go, oh, I love the properties that heritage they said, yes, oh okay, because they're very hard to work with the departments, right, So there's been some discussion and actually two people was a real lobbyer for this. He was like, you know what, for these properties, then there should be some if it's so important, some consideration or some help or some assistance to preserve it.
00:49:57
Speaker 2: But it's not.
00:49:57
Speaker 3: It's all left to the person. I was in a property in the Riverland and it had hand paper. The wallpaper was hand painted. So if you've got a crack, which happened regularly, there was only one artist that was authorized to re if you patch the crack of the building, to hand paint back over the pat.
00:50:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, that silly, So you're talking. I think that was fifteen years ago. I think it was ten grand per crack. Yeah.
00:50:25
Speaker 10: Wow.
00:50:25
Speaker 3: So the painting, well, if you're the only person that knows how to paint heritage paper like, you're not going to be cheap.
00:50:31
Speaker 5: Right.
00:50:31
Speaker 3: So then when I'm reselling this, everyone's going that's the one that you've got to get. The artist from town, we're not going to buy it.
00:50:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be a bit more sense with that. That's crazy. We'll do that as a topic one day too, which we kind of have. Hey, the biggest rental prices winners and losers. I always love this. It's always been fun. We've done this for two decades on this radio station, you know, you and the Tube team and myself. I love the winners and the losers. I always love when we say give us good suburbs and bad suburbs. When you guys do that. Who were the big rental price winners and losers of the recent ARIA group data?
00:51:04
Speaker 3: Well, would they say Summitson Park It was up fifty dollars fifty dollars per week, and then Glenelg North from a unit perspective, had a thirty dollars increase.
00:51:15
Speaker 2: I guess that wouldn't surprise, would it.
00:51:18
Speaker 10: No?
00:51:18
Speaker 3: Well, I think if we look at and then it's got what do we have as the biggest losers.
00:51:22
Speaker 2: Eleven suburbs fell do they have? No, they don't know. They haven't put the losers in there, No shepherding the losers. There we go. We must have a new stuff.
00:51:34
Speaker 3: Maybe I couldn't read properly, but anyhow, but I guess with regards to that, I don't don't know how the data was specifically pulled, but definitely what we're finding is that rents are contrary to what everybody wants the design to be. They're going up, not down. No, those areas that have gone down. I'd love to know what the data perspective is of that. And if you said to me, why would Summrtson Park go up in rent? Because what I would say to you is it's a blue chip suburb. The yield, which is the amount of rent you know, versus versus the property price, right like a percentage return, would be quite low, which means it would be negatively geared, which means there's no tax benefits. So a lot of investors wouldn't be buying property units for eight hundred or no, not eight hundred buying units for one point one million and renting them out for six point fifty. So I met a guy on the weekend and this might, you know, throw a cat amongst the pigeons, but he actually owns over one hundred properties in Adelaide. And let me finish this story because it's quite interesting here. I think at the peak it was one hundred and eighty properties got their own property manager like the end of the day, like it's their own ecosystem. And he said, to me, what's happened at a government level is like horrendous, he said, in you know, whit's horrendous.
00:53:01
Speaker 2: I said, why is that? He goes, Because I'm the direct beneficiary. He said.
00:53:07
Speaker 3: All of the tax benefits are already there for me, and they remain. And the other thing is, now what I know is there's going to be less investors coming in to compete with my investment properties, so my rents are going to go up. So I'm laughing, he goes, But I'm just upset because it's not the way the world should work. But for me right now, he goes, I've have my bread butter, but I'm meant to be the bad guy. I remember Bronte. But that's how so far off the pace they are?
00:53:36
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, I wonder what the audience thinks of people earning hundred and twenty properties. That always gets people. I don't think. I don't think that's great. I don't think that's great, of course I don't. But you know what, But the flip side, I think it's point on that.
00:53:49
Speaker 3: My point on that is that he told me that I don't agree with the government changes because I'm the one that benefits and I'm the one that shouldn't be.
00:53:57
Speaker 2: So he's aware of it. How on earth does it happened where Glenelg North has strong growth for units but a decline for houses. How does that work in the same suburb.
00:54:06
Speaker 3: It would just be an affordability factor. So units the rent is going to be less than a house, and I think with everything at the moment, we're getting to this afford So where where I'm finding it really hard to read the data sets?
00:54:18
Speaker 5: Lee?
00:54:18
Speaker 2: Leith called your Lee? Who calls your Lee? Everyone? Have you read the text messages? Oh? There you go every day? I'm misspelled?
00:54:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Leith, Elie I G I remember I work with this agent from the country and he was quite a bigger bloke like he he didn't skip.
00:54:37
Speaker 2: To any meals.
00:54:39
Speaker 3: And I call him like four different names in the one and I was like, oh man, I need like, what what is your name?
00:54:48
Speaker 2: And he goes call me whatever, just don't call me late for dinner. I just loved that line. I just love it. Anyway, where where we before that? I got onto that leg north up and down.
00:55:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're out at this point in the market. Is this affordability thing is becoming so difficult to read, right, because rents technically shouldn't keep running and property prices couldn't keep shouldn't keep running because you need money to pay the rent and you need money to pay the mortgage. Right, So we're never in South Australia forty five percent of the household income goes to a mortgage, we plato, but we're at fifty five percent now right, And property prices, contrary to what some believe, they feel like in different segments, they're still going like they're still climbing up slowly, not ten twenty percent, but they're still slowly climbing up.
00:55:38
Speaker 2: And the reason is it.
00:55:40
Speaker 3: Costs us so much to replace houses now because construction's costing through the roof. The only way I can see property like construction declining in price. The only way I can see it is if the government goes, you know what, we're actually not going to finish the tunnels, you know what, we're not going to worry about the hospital, you know the orcar steal. That is all completely off. So unless that happens, and then all of these people that are on triple figures per hour in trades run back to the private sector, and then everybody goes, we're not going to be doing any more building. We don't want to build anymore, and then that softens the replacement value of home. Unless that happens, which I can't for the life of me see happening. Then the replacement value of home keeps going up, which technically means the established homes should keep going up. But then we're running out of affordability. So I've become a little bit lost in that. On the flip note, we've got this rental side of things. We've got a calculation of when people submit how much they earn as a family, We've got a duty of care to go, well, is this putting them into a hot pot or is this within their affordable range? Right, there's actually like a number that's multiplied. So what's happening now is like, do we need to change that calculator because there's going to be less rental properties. Rents are potentially going up in different sectors. So it's just hard to to read because normally a market there's this whole supply and demand thing. The demand is stronger than the supply and it's just like who can go just that little bit deeper into their pockets to end up with things? Or do they become a point where their arms aren't long enough to go any deeper in the pockets and we all just platter. I don't I really can't read it anymore.
00:57:20
Speaker 2: It's bizarre. What's interesting as well as some of them Park and Glenelg North, So you're thinking, okay, blue chip coastal suburbs, regional Port Lincoln and Whyala do well too? Any reason? Is that a job? Is that a seed change? What do you think that would be?
00:57:36
Speaker 3: I've got no idea. All I can say with regionals. What I can say with regionals, though, Leath is when I was operating in the Riverland market, I remember you Renmark. For example, So I was in Loxton, then there was Renmark, and we sold a property fifteen years ago for two point two million dollars, and then there was another one that's sold for like one point two million, and another one sold for eight hundred.
00:58:03
Speaker 2: Like in the one month, FYI two mil fifteen years ago.
00:58:08
Speaker 3: And hang ten on this everything else we're selling Wow, one eight two hundred twenty two forty Right. So I remember reading this data set and it was the Your Property Investor magazine, which I loved, and I'd always go to the back and I'd look at the percentages and Renmark was like booming because it just threw the data out. Yeah, one, we only might have sold seven properties, right, fifty percent of them are over eight hundred, whereas normally it's like one eighty. Me like, it just threw the data set out. So regionals, I'd struggle with the data on a monthly, like on a small snapshot, because you can just skew it.
00:58:46
Speaker 2: You can skew it.
00:58:46
Speaker 3: There might have just been a run of units that they called houses or you know, like it can be flicked. But I don't actually understand. I don't even know if I've been to Paul Lincoln. Bloody good place, but I don't think I've been here.
00:58:57
Speaker 2: I've only been there once or twice. It's amazing by all shark case. I'd like to do that. That would be fun. Do you know what's interesting? I saw a glint in your eye when you were going back remembering like homes that you've your cricketers have that. It's almost like a rain man memory when it comes to do you remember the first house you sold? The price? You know, most people go I sold this and it's amount, but I could see it in you.
00:59:20
Speaker 3: Do you want to tell you there's that's a trick question. The first house I listed, yes, was for Todd Street in Bury right, one hundred and twenty eight grand.
00:59:30
Speaker 2: Happy with that? Was that what you're expecting? That's what I listed it for.
00:59:35
Speaker 3: Oh and I had that on the market for three years and never sold it. When the owner said they're going to go another agent after three years, I was devastated but secretly happy.
00:59:45
Speaker 2: Three years as I've never.
00:59:46
Speaker 3: Sold the first property I listed, And you think that you're probably going maybe this career is not for you, right, But I persist through diversity and then forty three were done. Go Avenue, Loxton was my first sale, but I didn't list it. Someone in office did and I sold it to a relative. So first I was to a relative that probably felt sorry for me, and the first listing I never sold, but I managed to get through.
01:00:11
Speaker 2: But you would have in your head like your highest ever sale or there would be memorable, and you don't.
01:00:18
Speaker 3: It's funny when somebody comes up to me and I've sold a property for them, you know, thirteen years ago, fourteen years ago, etc. What I might struggle with sometimes is the name, right, But then they say to me, yeah, we bought number forty three. We're not go oh, yes, you were standing near the tree and your child was playing with that massive lollipop. Like my brain is super weird the name. It doesn't, it doesn't really like that, But what it really loves is situations like I remember it to the back of my hand.
01:00:51
Speaker 2: And I remember you were like it could be fifteen years ago.
01:00:53
Speaker 3: I remember you like i'd pause the auction you were done, and then you're put in that one extra in your border and they.
01:00:58
Speaker 2: Just go, oh my god, I can't believe that that interesting. But my name, no chance. I was thinking that because I did see on your socials Ben Scadden had a good day and took out a couple of trophies as a friend of mine from when we worked at the paper together. So I was pumped for him because I thought that's probably going to stick in his memory of you know, scats.
01:01:15
Speaker 3: You know, that's the funny thing, right because I say, in this industry, a lot of a lot of it's all show, no go, you know, like real estate agents, a just there's all this big front, but there's not much substance beneath it a lot of the time. And when I introduce scads, I just said, this guy is absolutely no show, all go, like he doesn't over there and the MIT is just is nodding because he's not about over promising under delivering. He's not about anything fancy. He just about I'm in the trenches. I'm going to get you the best prices. And guess what, I'm probably not going to even tell anyone about it. I'm not going to shout it from the rooftops. I'm not going to do some video of me walking through the home. Like he is just a genuine human that on the surface, you would go that guy shouldn't be a real estate agent, because this is what real estate agents, this is how some of them can behave. And I would like to think that our team aren't in that boat. But that's the type of guy you actually want as your agent.
01:02:18
Speaker 2: That's because he's got a history of hanging out of racetracks, you know, doing work on the horses as a journal for so many weeks. There's not a lot of some of those racetracks. They're not the Melbourne car What do we you know, you play it down a little. We always talk about his footy career at a chunger Yeah, chunga. We'll talk about that another time. You're about to go into the real estate radio lounds to answer questions off air, which has been really interesting from Heritage and thank you for answering those, plus rentals, winners and losers. Quick text from Andrew just to wet the appetite for people who can speak to you off air for the next half hour eight double two three, double o, double five if you want to speak to Bronte any question. If we're allowed to access our super says Andrew, do you think that will for property prices up with a flood of people getting home loans from those super funds, you can tap into your super you got more cash, you get a home loan, go and get some property.
01:03:12
Speaker 3: I think, well, there was definitely a flurry of people because the leveraging, like borrowing money in a super fund for residential property, now you can't do it. So there was a window and there was definitely a spike in loans for super funds for that purpose. I do believe with super for principal place of residence. I don't know about investment because it will then spike and you can take things out of hand for people. But I do think for accessing super early for principal place of residence definitely would be much smarter than the five percent scheme that's out there at the moment. So yeah, I think there definitely could be something workshopped up around that. Do I think there would be a spike, Well, I think they would need to kind of limit it so that people in need kind of in that boat. Otherwise, yet it would just push prices on everyone again.
01:04:01
Speaker 2: Hmm. Okay, and one more I know said only why I'm going to You've seen this story about the West Lakes. We were talking about it last week, about the shopping centers and dropping houses on top of the shopping centers that we discussed last week. So West Lakes Westfield is the one that everyone's getting very excited about. Andrews said, what are your views on buying into the two thousand swelling proposed West Lakes apartment complex, which is kind of revisiting what you said last week. If you're in West Lakes and below you you've got Westfield. Yeah, I would that be a desirable I mean West Lakes is huge, like max s Bashi year reserves, all houses, it's crazy.
01:04:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean there's you've got the sweep, You've got lake views, city beach views, city views.
01:04:44
Speaker 2: It would actually be pretty cool up there. Look, do I think it would be good?
01:04:49
Speaker 3: As I said last week, I was, you know, I'd never been approached with that question before. But it makes sense in the sense that with shopping centers, it's it's not like someone's in a quiet street and then all of a sudden someone's looking into the backyard. With shopping centers, people sort of steer clearer bit, you know. So I think if you're ever going to go up, that would be the less disruptive. And then we talked about engineering, et.
01:05:10
Speaker 2: Cetera, et cetera.
01:05:11
Speaker 3: All I would say is that I would want to make sure that the market is doing really well at that point in time. And the reason I say that is because if there is two thousand apartments, if that's what they're saying, what happens if one person or if we get a great result for one of them, then everyone's property is priced against that, and which means it goes up in value. If one person who has the same view as the other four hundred of us on that side and the same floor plan, the same square meters has a divorce and sells it cheap, everyone's homes are devalued because you can't differentiate between the two. So I'd want some difference.
01:05:50
Speaker 2: I would want a corner.
01:05:51
Speaker 3: I would want well, ideally, if money permitted a pent I'd want something special to differentiate so that my value is not in the hands of people's decisions. Because if you're the same leaf, like if there's a street yep, and there's two hundred highs identical with the same aspect on the street, one goes up in valley, everything goes up. But if one goes down, and they will go down, that's the so you probably.
01:06:14
Speaker 2: Want the southeastern corner because then you get the airport too. You can look over the lake, you can look over the ocean, you can look back towards the city in the hills. Yeah, that'll be good. And then you get the airport gone that way probably.
01:06:24
Speaker 3: Hey, mate, north southwest east. I've got no comprehension of where's were so when you say that, I.
01:06:30
Speaker 2: Just agree with you. Bronti manuals about to go in the Real Estate Radio Lounge until three o'clock eight double two three, double o, double oh. Got calls already for Bronti. If you want to speak to him about anything to do with toop and two in real estate, you can.
01:06:42
Speaker 1: Do that now five double A afternoons with Leaf Forest.
01:06:47
Speaker 2: Talk real Estate with Bronte Manual eight double two three, double oh, double five, And in just one moment you can do it on our on airline double o, double oh with Richard Pasco's we talk all things tech. First, let's check in with the weather Bureau Steph Spackman Joints. This afternoon, Steph class, I feel a little bit like Bill Murray Groundhog Day. I think yesterday when we spoke, it's a bit the same, is it not. Sort of in the mid to high teens, a little bit of cloud cover, maybe a drizzle or two, but not much difference from the rest of the week.
01:07:16
Speaker 14: You would be mistaken. It would not be mistaken think it was groundhog Day. It has been a bit of a rinse and repeat this afternoon and this morning. So but tomorrow we will have another front crossing the area, so a little bit more precipitation is on the cards tomorrow and those temperatures not changing that much at all, as we still seem to be in this westerly airstream with these low pressure systems moving over the area.
01:07:43
Speaker 2: Okay, so for the rest of the week, getting towards the weekend, any nice weather and store or more of the same.
01:07:48
Speaker 14: It looks pretty much like groundhog Day. As we continuing for the rest of the week, we do have a series of fronts and troughs moving across. However, we do have a high pressure system moving into the Bite Woods the weekend, so hopefully Sunday will start to see a few more dry conditions as that high starts the center over Adelaide.
01:08:07
Speaker 2: Nice because you know sometimes this time of year when sort of kids footy starts to get into finals. The nicer weather appears. Maybe it's not too far away. Steph, thank you for that. I appreciate it. We will speak to you tomorrow. Steph Spackman from the Weather Bureau. Richard Pasco is here thanks to Harvey Norman Computers. They are your technology specialized.
01:08:26
Speaker 1: Pas School pascool.
01:08:28
Speaker 9: Can you turn it up?
01:08:29
Speaker 1: And then can you turn it on again?
01:08:33
Speaker 2: Have you noticed that? Like just every now and then there's a nice you know, life will be it a beautiful sun set the other night, like spirits not trying to sneak through it it is.
01:08:43
Speaker 9: I was sitting by the Parklands eating my lunch before I came in. Yes, really nice windows down all that, watching people, the clipboards running around the park lands.
01:08:53
Speaker 2: It's not bad the moment, it's not bad. Lovely to see who knows. I used to think that when I worked in murray Bridge for a year and a half. Used to work at five EMU, which you do a lot of work for and I used to eat my lunch on Stirt Reserve, you know, I'd go to the bakery and there I'd sneak down there and I used to see all these kids on wakeboards and go, is anyone working in town? I want to be on the wakeboard. There we go skiing on a Tuesday afternoon at one o'clock. But here we are lovely to see you. If you had a good week, yes, very good week.
01:09:22
Speaker 9: Thanksfully excellence.
01:09:24
Speaker 2: If you've got a question for Richard by the way, eight double two three double o double o.
01:09:28
Speaker 9: Very quickly, I just wanted to talk about people should set up the emergency medical contact on their iPhone because it's a very important thing to go along and do so if something say happen to you, and we always hope it doesn't, that your lovely wife will be contacted straight away on there. So a lot of people don't ever do this. So go into the health app and put the contact details for an emergency in there. And if something you know, for some reason, if you end up dialing emergency services, they get contacted straight away. For that I know that there is something wrong with you.
01:10:02
Speaker 2: I have thought of this. Say you come across someone who needed health help help, what do you are you are you grabbing the phone and putting it in front of their face so that their face unlocks the phone. You know, the old days of a medical alert bracelet or some kind of way of you know, you could just swipe the phone, or you didn't even need to swipe. Who's the most favorite person or most called or something? How do you do it now? When there's so much security on your phone?
01:10:28
Speaker 9: Siri will answer it for you really, So yes, if.
01:10:32
Speaker 2: You go it's a different voice.
01:10:34
Speaker 9: If you go along and you say you like stand correct because it's doing it on the new iOS twenty seven which is coming out. So it's hey, that name, who's the medical emergency? Or dial a medical emergency for this phone? They will ring it.
01:10:48
Speaker 2: Really, I don't think I've got that set up. So I go into settings and then you go through.
01:10:54
Speaker 9: Health and go help there emergency context, and while you're there, put in all the details about what you're all allergic to on that just to make sure that if you get if something does happen, then you know you're being taken care of properly.
01:11:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't think of that, do you. You know, if you come across someone, how do you get in touch with a loved one? Obviously you can call you know, first responders and ambulance, police, et cetera, But what about their family?
01:11:21
Speaker 9: Spot on and one of the reasons I did speak to somebody about a week ago who I know. She does listen to me, and she doesn't mind me saying this. Who can go at any time? She's got a heart problem and she's got a pendent that goes around her neck. She said, my doctors told me that I might not even make the press the pendant.
01:11:39
Speaker 2: Really so yeah, wow, And this is why, you know, when you heard the Tony Madras story a while back, he was on the phone to Erica at the time, you know. So as heartbreaking and as harrowing as that would have been, in a way, there's a little bit of knowledge. So at least that would help the situation as opposed.
01:11:55
Speaker 9: To being totally who is this word?
01:11:58
Speaker 2: How do I contact the person?
01:12:00
Speaker 9: Most of all the ambulance people do know that?
01:12:02
Speaker 2: All right, set up your medical emergency contact in your phone. Great advice from Richard Pasco. Got any questions for Richard, you can text or call us eight double two three double O double OW. We're getting cameras everywhere, Cameras in your phone, cameras in your glasses. Where else are cameras.
01:12:17
Speaker 9: Coming coming to air pods from Apple?
01:12:21
Speaker 2: What going sideways?
01:12:22
Speaker 9: Coming out, so they'll be pointing forward now before people are you already holding your head air Leith. It is not to record things. It's all designed around Apple visual intelligence. So the new Siri, if you go along them point the camera yes at something yep, and say can you describe that for me? And pull up all the different things on there. It's to go along and say you'll have them in your ears. Look at the water bottle yep, pointed at it and go, Siri, describe that auter bottle for me and where can I buy it? Don't have to pick up the phone.
01:12:58
Speaker 2: Really, Oh that is kind of cool as long as that's it's not recording it trying and snooping and creeping on people. I'm okay with that.
01:13:06
Speaker 9: And I just a quick search on the internet the other night for the for the glasses. You can get them through as a sixty seventy dollars versions. Yeah, good luck with that. That's what I'm not going to recommend.
01:13:19
Speaker 2: But again, I think that's a huge invasion of privacy, whereas this is and I would think and we have a lot of people in our audience who are, as you know, vision impaired. I imagine that technology is going to help great for them. Yeah.
01:13:30
Speaker 9: I've got a couple of vision impaired clients. They absolutely love the ones from Beta. Yeah, because it just helps them in their everyday lives. So for that, I'm all for it.
01:13:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you wonder if that would help them, you know, not post caine, but maybe there's less reliance on some of the traditional equipment you use.
01:13:47
Speaker 9: Just go along on one. You know, you can point it at menus in restaurants, yep, and get it to describe exactly what you're about to eat. Yeah.
01:13:56
Speaker 1: Wow.
01:13:56
Speaker 2: We'll get to the point where your cameras slash glasses actually your phones. We'll look at a meal too and go are you allergic? Like it'll be able to scan it. You've got nuts in there? Yeah, don't.
01:14:06
Speaker 9: And that's part of the with the AirPods, with the cameras, and they should be able to do that right now, Go on, identify all the different things on there.
01:14:13
Speaker 2: That's interesting, isn't it. Hey? I do want to ask you. I know it's not on your list, but I saw a story about Meta getting taken a court.
01:14:20
Speaker 9: Have you seen that again?
01:14:22
Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you seen this story about basically making Facebook and insta et cetera. Something you can't shut down, and so they're taking them anyway.
01:14:30
Speaker 9: We're going to talk. I've got a thing that can shut them down in my hand.
01:14:33
Speaker 2: Oh really, I brought you in the brick. You brought a prop Ken from Athleston. You've got a question for Richard Pasco.
01:14:41
Speaker 5: Ken.
01:14:42
Speaker 15: Oh sorry, Richard. I got on an over laptop here and last night I don't know what court quite have them, but I couldn't get emails coming through it all. It was sort of just spinning and going nowhere. And this morning I can't get good go up either. Now it's eight years old, and I'm wondering whether it's me or it's tired, and if you're place him or.
01:15:08
Speaker 9: What eight years is going It's still running Windows ten, isn't it, Ken, Yes, it is, Yeah, so it might be getting a bit tired now, Ken, eight years is probably the lifespan of a lot of them out there now. So the b issues. So you've got to say, is it worth while fixing all the issues? Is it worthwhile going going along and investing in a new computer on My.
01:15:30
Speaker 15: Thoughts are throw it out and get another one. My wife's got the opposite view.
01:15:34
Speaker 9: Recycling yes, recycling. She doesn't want you want it anue ande does she?
01:15:42
Speaker 15: Well, actually she used it. I used the phone, she uses the computer, and so really it's her piece of equipment. It's just that I don't know what.
01:15:51
Speaker 9: To do with it, right, Okay?
01:15:54
Speaker 15: Any reason why that would happen.
01:15:58
Speaker 9: Look, it can be issues with the software on there, It can be issues with the hard drive on there. So you know, like I could come out and tell you exactly what's wrong with it and give you and go along and say no, it's got to go. Because I come out to people's places, I test the hard drives. You might not have done all the updates for what's bringing you in your emails.
01:16:20
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's quite possible. I said, yes, yeah, okay, well give it the brick.
01:16:25
Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks good.
01:16:28
Speaker 2: Only can thank you for that if you've got a question for Richard Pasco any device that you're having issue with eight double two to three double o double oh. Before we get to the break. So, a number of the states of the US are suing Meta and Facebook. Court heard the Meta intentionally hooked a generation of children on Facebook and Instagram. It's the biggest legal challenge faced by the social media platform A jury in Oakland, California will spend the next six weeks wading through claims from top attorneys states and lawyers for the company. Millions of eleven and twelve year olds were on Instagram and they did little to keep them off. As the trial opened on Tuesday, so they found one hundred thousand plus users, and they are saying that social media addiction does not exist.
01:17:12
Speaker 9: That's what matter us, which we're very aware of in this country now. That interesting, especially about trying to keep the kids off of the social media platforms out there. But again, I'll go back and say a lot of it's got to do with the parents out there. He ignored things, and parents have got a responsibility to make sure that social media use is monitored out there. Not saying what you can and can't look at, but if you're on it for like fifteen hours a.
01:17:37
Speaker 2: Day, there's a substenting issue.
01:17:40
Speaker 9: There's something wrong. It's a bit of a parenting.
01:17:41
Speaker 2: Issue, and maybe there's a responsibility to the social media giants to be able to turn it off so you can disconnect because it's like anything that's addictive. Oh yeah, if you keep feeding it, that's going to happen.
01:17:51
Speaker 9: Yeah, but there are settings on the phones to be able to shut that down. And after the break we'll talk about the brain.
01:17:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:17:56
Speaker 2: Richard Pasco's broad a prop which we're looking forward to sixteen to three. If you've got any tech questions for Richard. Eight double two three double O double O. Bronti menu are still in the real estate lands too, if you'd like to continue to talk to him as well.
01:18:09
Speaker 1: Five double A Afternoons with Lee Forrest.
01:18:12
Speaker 2: Richard Pasco is here Adelaide tech guy, answering your tech questions or thanks to having Norman computers, they are your technology specialists. Dive from angel Vale with a question for your Richard'll.
01:18:24
Speaker 6: Die good afternoon, gentlemen. Hi Richard, Yes, why is it wherever you call nowadays you get a voice message? Your call is important to peace hold, where all the people gone for good news shake.
01:18:46
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to answer their phones anymore.
01:18:49
Speaker 9: They're all busy die.
01:18:51
Speaker 6: Oh come on.
01:18:52
Speaker 9: But sometimes I've got a voice message on my phone. But if I can take it, I take it.
01:18:57
Speaker 16: Well.
01:18:57
Speaker 9: I had a client this morning who said he texts and calls twenty two times.
01:19:02
Speaker 8: Before nine o'clock.
01:19:03
Speaker 9: Oh my lord, yeah, never picked up for him. Twenty two times in a row. Wow, send a message this afternoon. You're gonna have to wait till tomorrow. Now put him in punishment the punishment zone twenty two. Yeah.
01:19:15
Speaker 6: Well, I've just had to call trim Pass because my doctor resulted up bloods rah Yes, And I was on the hold for thirty five minutes before I even got someone.
01:19:30
Speaker 2: That's because there's probably one person working is unfortunately. Yeah, it's a staffing issue. It's a cost cutting exercise. People will stay on hold as opposed to it just ringing out or to one day.
01:19:41
Speaker 9: The other day. And the people that answer the phones, there's not many of them when they've got to go along and make standard appointments for everybody in the state. Yeah, so it's not that many.
01:19:52
Speaker 2: Just got to go and hold die sorry die. Isn't it funny though, because in the eighties when the phone rang, as kids, we would all race to answer it. I wanted to be the first person. Now majority of people, myself included, leave their phone on silent constantly, very rarely, if ever, turn my ring it on, just like exactly right, what if you brought in today for a show and tell I have talked this is all up on the website. Yes, it's called the Brick. What does the brick do?
01:20:18
Speaker 9: The brick when you go and you install the app on your phone, you can go along and block whatever you want on your phone after you've tapped the brick, So you can go along and you can set it safe from nine to five. Yes, I'll go along and I'll block out all social media, all text messages on there, and when you tap it, that's the last of them for all day. Or you can reactivate it if you go along and want to.
01:20:46
Speaker 2: You can untap, you can unbrick it. Is this for parents for kids? Is that what you're saying?
01:20:51
Speaker 9: They say, it's for everybody who's annoyed by all the things that come through. So if you're one of those people that might get stuck on reels Instagram for five hours at a time, yes, you might want to go along and stop all of that for a while. It's interesting, so he can go along and brick it.
01:21:08
Speaker 2: So basically, it's like it's putting your phone away like the kids are doing at school, but you still physically have your phone. You're able to isolate which bits you want to put away.
01:21:18
Speaker 9: I just before I had text messages gone and all the social media gone. Just knocked it all off for a while on there.
01:21:26
Speaker 2: Because you don't think you've got the WheelPower stop it physically yourself.
01:21:30
Speaker 9: No, I do have leath, but I just wanted to test the thing out there. Had a parent ring me yesterday and we were talking about it, and he's going to get one for his daughter because his daughter's got issues with it, so he can go along, set it all up and then he'll keep the brick on him. She can't get out of it.
01:21:47
Speaker 2: So basically it's a liquor cabinet where you take the alcohol away and the person with the brick has the key.
01:21:53
Speaker 9: Yes.
01:21:54
Speaker 2: Wow, cost eighty dollars eighty available from the.
01:21:58
Speaker 9: Brick on there, So link on my website to go and buy it online. But it works works very well.
01:22:04
Speaker 2: Adelaide tech Gui dot com dot tim asks Richard an iPhone eleven? Is it too old? Should I update? It's got good battery life, still updates the current software. It's running fine.
01:22:16
Speaker 9: Are you happy with the camera? Will be my first thing on there because it really it's a camera, isn't it least? Yes, that's all it is. It makes phone calls, text messages and allows us to go online, so i'd keep it. Yeah, when you're not happy with the photos that you're taking, or somebody comes along with a better phone and go gee, they're good photos on there. Why can't I have those sort of photos? That's when you want to go along and update it.
01:22:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, because most of the text, messaging and phone quality is the same, is it not fine? From eleven three to seventeen?
01:22:47
Speaker 9: We'd all like better phone quality?
01:22:49
Speaker 2: Very terrible, Yeah, to be honest, they've all put the f and focus on the camera they have or the bits and bobs that you have.
01:22:57
Speaker 9: And another thing that origin sending out letters to all the people out there who got accessed via the hack on there. Mister Tim Ginniver sent me his letter that he got Yeah, on that. I'm writing to provide you with an update on your information that's accessed in part of the recent data security incident. What they know is they got their full name, email address, contact phone number, data burst supply address and building address on there. So there's a lot of valuable information on it. They saying they're working close with the Australian government on there, and they want you to go along and see if you want to sign up to id care if somebody's trying to get your account on there. If you're part of this, make sure you've gone along and changed your password for Origin Energy. That will be the first thing. And be aware that somebody might ring you. The reason I'm probably concerned about this a bit more is the fact that they said they paid the hackers off, So why are we still that can Is it just being really overcautious on these sort of things. So if you're an Origin person you get this email on there, just be aware you're in line for more spam.
01:24:11
Speaker 2: Is the iPod making a comeback a bit of.
01:24:14
Speaker 9: A comeback leath, especially among trendy people out there. People like the old style things from iPods. A lot of people you can buy them over the internet where they've gone along and repaired the iPods, changed the battery, put more flash drive in there, and people say, can't how hard is it going to be to get my music back on the iPod on there? A couple of programs out there once called Amazing got all the music on your computer? You can just drop it straight on there. And the beauty about the iPod is a bit of a theme for today. No text messages come in, no emails arrived, no social media and ratifications on there. So yeah, old iPods don't care if you just want an MP three player for the kids. Lots of them are available to buy on things like Amazon.
01:25:00
Speaker 2: How old are we getting when you feel like an iPod's retro? My daughter found my CD wasn't a CD Walkmen, it was like a cassette Walkman the other day and was having fun with it, trying to work out how it worked, and I had to explain play record, stop, rewind, open, flip, turn, all of that.
01:25:18
Speaker 9: I've got a yellow waterproofs on any walking Ah.
01:25:21
Speaker 2: Fourteen year olds. I have never fill year olds. I've never seen them before in their lives. Ask maps. I like this. I think this needs to be done. It's getting a bit of an upgrade the maps.
01:25:30
Speaker 9: I think the Google maps do a good job. Nothing wrong with Apple Maps either. So you can go along. It's a little button on there to go along and ass maps, and you didn't talk to it's using Gemini to go along and direct you talk about crashes delays. But one of the things you can do with this one is say that you're flying into state and you suddenly go, oh, I want to stay around the Docklands area in Melbourne.
01:25:52
Speaker 2: Yep.
01:25:52
Speaker 9: You can go to us Maps and go compare all the prices in the area for the things that I get. It's a good place to go along and stay. And can you book me a room?
01:26:01
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a lot of people are doing that with that. That's interesting. Oh smart, All right, so that's coming out.
01:26:06
Speaker 9: So that's out right right now.
01:26:08
Speaker 2: Karen from Craigmore, You've got a question for Richard Pasco.
01:26:12
Speaker 17: Yes, I had, Hi, Richard, Avid listener, You're always very helpful. I've had a hard drive fail this week, and my practice in the past has been to every couple of years constantly copy over important things to the new hard drive, et cetera. But somewhere in between that this one has failed.
01:26:35
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:26:35
Speaker 17: I was recommended by the computer guy that I took it to to see if he could restore it, that i'd buy another hard drive he recommended to sheep as a brand to say.
01:26:46
Speaker 9: That, yeah he can, but I won't agree with him.
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Speaker 17: Okay, so that's why I'm caughtless. I haven't made that purchase yet, but I'm going to. And the other thing just by the way, as well. Is currently on social media, there's a lot of companies advertising a little two terrbytes sort of hard drive that you're popping your phone.
01:27:06
Speaker 16: To download your photos.
01:27:08
Speaker 17: On, which obviously takes up most of most people. Yeah, memory, So what's your thoughts on.
01:27:15
Speaker 16: Those as well?
01:27:15
Speaker 9: Please don't like doing that at all. I much prefer the cloud for all of these backups and storing all the things up there. I mean, the cloud doesn't die whereas your hard drive does on there. I'm not a big fan of the Tashiba hard drives on there. If he gets if you want another hard drive, Samsung solid state drive is a much better choice to go along and do all of that the hard d. Is it possible to get your stuff off the old hard drive, Karen?
01:27:45
Speaker 17: I wasn't able to, And Richard, it's the stuff from the year about two thousand to about two and ten, because devastated.
01:27:52
Speaker 9: Yeah no, no, no, Karen, if you sent me a text, I'll give you a call back, all right, and I'll tell you to take it.
01:28:02
Speaker 17: I left it with the computer guy that said he couldn't fix it.
01:28:06
Speaker 9: Go and get it back, Karen, Okay, all right. It's a bit of a thing.
01:28:12
Speaker 1: About this.
01:28:13
Speaker 2: We will give you the details in just one second, Karen, where you can get in touch with Richard and do it that way. So you're saying you should be able to get it off the hard drive, you.
01:28:21
Speaker 9: Should be all being well, it might be able to be recovered on there. I'm not a big believer in I'm not saying anything about this. This person, he's kept the hard drive. But there's been a bit of a thing over the years, somebody who go leath, we can't repair that laptop, We'll get another one. I'll keep the old laptop.
01:28:38
Speaker 2: Oh right, okay, because then you can just.
01:28:40
Speaker 9: Do whatever you want you want, right, all right, okay, So just be careful about those sort of things.
01:28:46
Speaker 2: Thank you, Karen Richard. Where do we find you? If people would like to tap into your expertise.
01:28:50
Speaker 9: Head over to Adelaide tech guy dot com dot au.
01:28:53
Speaker 2: We will see next week. Thanks Richard. Three o'clock News next.
01:28:56
Speaker 1: Five double A afternoons with leaf for it.
01:29:00
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for tuning in on this Wednesday afternoon, seven minutes after three Big Hour on the way, we'll discuss some of the heritage buildings in Adelaide this hour that sadly are just being left to ruin. What can we do about that? We'll get onto that. Every caller an SMS that makes it to air in the running for our four tickets to the Royal Show. It's presented by Drakes. If you miss it, you have a serious case of show mo. You can buy the tickets at Drake's Supermarkets and the show dot com dotu and if you get in now before the end of this week, you can save ten dollars off your family midweek show ticket. So do that only at Drake's Supermarkets. If you're listening to us on the DAB digital radio or the five DOAA player, a reminder too, the last hour of every afternoon from three to four you can check us out on our livestream, Facebook and YouTube. Thank you for tuning in. So today was a big day. Adelai Parkland's protesters presented more than forty thousand physical signatures calling on the government to halt the Moto GP. That petition was tabled today by Green's leader Rob Simms, and he joins me this afternoon. Robert Sims, MFC, welcome to the show, Thanks for your.
01:30:08
Speaker 5: Time, good afternoon, Lee.
01:30:10
Speaker 12: Thank you for having me.
01:30:11
Speaker 2: That is a lot of signatures, Robert, it is.
01:30:14
Speaker 12: In fact, it's one of the biggest petitions we've seen in South Australian political history. I think the final number was forty three thousand, seven hundred signatures, So that's a real landmark moment I think for this campaign. And I've just tabled it in the Parliament about an hour or so ago, and the next step will be for this matter to be referred to a parliamentary committee so that it can be examined thoroughly.
01:30:38
Speaker 2: What happens from here? Do you expect a parliamentary inquiry into it the parklands and the development?
01:30:45
Speaker 12: Yeah, so that's required. It's really of formality. When we have a petition that has more than ten thousand signatures, it's automatically referred to a parliamentary inquiry. Obviously we're well ahead of that target in this instance. So this will go to the Vironment, Resources and Development Committee and that will probably happen next sitting week, so in a fortnight's time. And really I think while this process is underway, the government now needs to hold all works on Moto GP, really hit the pause button here and wait until the committee has had an opportunity to do its work. And to examine all the details of this proposal.
01:31:23
Speaker 2: So I've reading on in Daily Robert where one of the most recent petitions of this kind where you're getting thousands of people to sign along was the one for greyhound racing to be banned. There was eleven thousand signatures. You've got four times that.
01:31:37
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right, and look a huge amount of concern obviously around greyhound racing, but in this instance it's more than forty thousand. I understand. The only other petition that we had around that was one that was to do with ramping a few years ago now, So it's a huge petition and I think that demonstrates the extent of concern in the South Australian community around this proposal. And let's not forget least, it's not just you know, people in the CBD that are concerned about this. People have signed on to this petition from right across the state, even as far as kuber Pedi, people up in the Adelaide Hills Seaford. Right across the state. People have signed up and expressed their concern and it would be a very arrogant government that presses ahead with this without at least considering the views of those petitioners, and that's why we're calling on the government now to pause all works, to really cool their jets, and to wait until parliamentary inquiries had an opportunity to examine this. There's lots of questions here. We still haven't seen a proper plan. There was some media this week around a potential leaked cabinet document. No one knows the bona fides of that, but the government still hasn't come clean with the people of South Australia around what the potential map is for Moto GP, what are the costs, and of course also to what extent will this disrupt people's daily lives. Anyone who lives in the city will see as I do someone who lives in the city of Adelaide, you do see a huge disruption for the Adelaide five hundred. Well, this really is just the curtain raiser for Moto GP.
01:33:13
Speaker 2: We see the story in Stacey mentioned it the other day on Breakfast Robert, where we believe that the OBAM will also be affected by this. Do you think that will help your cause if that gathers some steam.
01:33:23
Speaker 12: I have heard that concern, and that's really worrying because you know, a lot of people during the Adelaide five hundred for instance, don't like to drive into the city because it's just so difficult that the city can be in total gridlock. And then you know, if you shut down the OBAM as well and you're impacting on public transport, you're just going to create even more of a bottle neck scenario. And you know, my concern is that the government just hasn't really thought these things through. The premiere is focused on all the razzle dazzle of more events coming to the city, but what about the fine print? And I don't think he's been transparent with the people of South Australia around that.
01:34:03
Speaker 2: Robert Simms is my guest Green's MLC. So we should say too, Robert that this particular petition that you have it's not just about halting the Moto GP, isn't it. You would like Possum Park and Johnny Brown Park, both in North Adelaide, to then be back in the control of the city council.
01:34:20
Speaker 12: That's right, And look, I should say this is a petition that's been driven by the community. It wasn't a Greens petition. We have tabled it on behalf of the community. But it's been gathered by parklands campaigners, Adelaide City councilors. They've worked together and they've done a really good job in terms of, you know, garnishing so many signatures on this petition. What we're doing is just taking action on behalf of the community.
01:34:47
Speaker 2: Are you confident we can host world class events without damaging the parklands for things like the Moto GP.
01:34:54
Speaker 7: Yes, I am.
01:34:55
Speaker 12: It doesn't have to be an either or proposition. You know, there's lots of world class cities that have world class public parks without trashing. Without trashing those parks to accommodate events, and you know, the Greens support events of course, and we support activation, but it's got to be balanced. And you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You don't destroy Adelaide's iconic parklands to host an event that we're just gone for a few weeks a year. That just seems to me to be really shortsighted.
01:35:27
Speaker 2: We have one of our regular callers, Robert Kimberly, who calls in and she's very passionate about this. She's been taking petitions around trying to get the signatures too. We should stress these forty thousand signatures were physical too, weren't they. You can't just fill in a petition online where I guess people so maybe there's even more people who wanted to sign this that weren't able to physically do so, yeah, that's right.
01:35:49
Speaker 12: And look, you know the Green's position is we should have online petitions. Other jurisdictions do that, South Australia's lagging behind, so you know, we committed to some reform in that space. Irrespective of that, the fact that people have gone to the effort to sign a physical petition just demonstrates the depth of community concern around this. And it's people from all walks of life, all parts of the state that are coming together to say that they want the government to back down here and to really respect our public green space. And you know, the Greens aren't going to stop pushing for action on this either.
01:36:24
Speaker 2: So what happens now you've tabled it, you talked about the inquiry. Have you got a timeline for how these things now play out?
01:36:31
Speaker 12: Yeah, so it will go to the Environment, Resources and Development Committee. That will probably happen next sitting period, so in two weeks time. Then the committee will meet and they will determine how they respond to the referral. They have to consider it. What they do, of course, will be a matter for them. I'm not on that committee. It's a joint parliamentary committee, so it has members of the Upper House and members of the lower House. They will consider what the next steps are. But I really hope that they give this a thorough airing. It's not every day that you get a petition that hits the Parliament with tens of thousands of signatures, and I hope they take it seriously and that they really do their due diligence now and have a thorough inquiry, and that the government stops progressing this while that inquiry is underway. I think that's the appropriate way to handle the matter.
01:37:17
Speaker 2: Are you confident that will happen, that the Premier will halt the Moto JP build.
01:37:22
Speaker 12: Well, I don't know what's going on with the Premiere on this. I mean, maybe he's been inhaling a few too many of those car fumes, some of the exhaust fumes have gone to his head. He seems to really be held bent on this project, and I just don't think that he's considering the implications or being transparent with the people of South Australia about.
01:37:39
Speaker 7: What it involves.
01:37:41
Speaker 12: I hope though, that he will see since that he will recognize that there's such a strong ground swell of community concern and the momentum is only continuing to build. There's going to be a big rally on Sunday as well, at least if you've got listeners that are concerned about the parklands. I might want to come along and join that. I believe it's at twelve o'clock in Victoria Park on Sunday, and I think there'll be a big turnout at that too. And all of this is just ratcheting up pressure on the premiere to act and to take a different approach when it comes to our iconic green space.
01:38:12
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did see Amanda Blair actually friend of mine, on socials and in real life she put that up to on her socials. Here Sunday, twenty third of August twelve noon until two pm March for your park Lands. It's called Stop the Chop. You'll meet under the flagpoles in Victoria Square. Once Lost, Gone, Forever joined the movement. That's what they're suggesting. So Sunday twelve noon, thank you for your time this south and no robber before I let you go. One of our callers, Graham, asked the question in terms of trees being cut down not just for the Moto GP and around the golf course here when it comes to transmission lines and solar panels, etc. Not just the race. Is that something that the Greens are focusing on or you're aware.
01:38:50
Speaker 11: Of that.
01:38:52
Speaker 12: Around trees being cut down.
01:38:55
Speaker 2: For transmission or anything else.
01:38:57
Speaker 12: Yep, yeah, Look, I mean I don't want to see trees cut down unless we can absolutely avoid it, and I think you know, you should only cut down a tree if there's no other alternative. But what we're seeing here though, of course, is a huge destruction of trees. It's on an enormous scale. We saw hundreds of trees being chopped down in poss And Park. We're going to see I see hundreds of trees being chopped down to accommodate Moto GP as well. And the government haven't supported Green's efforts to put more safeguards into legislation to protect those trees. I tried when we were dealing with the golf course redevelopment legislation and that feel that passed department last year. To put in some real safeguards for our significant trees and regulated trees, and the government just did not support any of those, and so we're not seeing trees just being lost for a last resort. I think what we're seeing is government just riding roughshot over the community and sending in the bulldozers because it's the cheap and easy way to do this sort of development. And that's just not good enough.
01:40:00
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time the South the noon, Robert, thanks.
01:40:02
Speaker 12: So much, Thanks very much, Lee, It's good to talk to you.
01:40:05
Speaker 2: Green's MLC. Robert Simms is my guest. Parkland protesters are happy. So the forty thousand plus physical signatures today handed to Robert and they have been tabled in Parliament today. So it is to halt the Moto GP. It is to return Possum Park and John E. Brown Park in North Adelaide to the control of the city council. I guess now we watch with interest what the government does next.
01:40:31
Speaker 1: Five double a afternoons with leaf forests.
01:40:35
Speaker 2: Kind of a masterpiece, don't you think The gut Guy commercial feels like an opus? Beautifully done. Twenty two minutes after three, Matthew from Morfordville has some thoughts on the parklands him, Matthew, good day, Lee.
01:40:49
Speaker 16: Not quite the parklands. I'm gonna drop kicks and pund away from the Army barracks.
01:40:58
Speaker 2: Okay o worridor the world up now.
01:41:02
Speaker 16: Part of the reason I purchased in this area was because of the amenity of the gum trees and stands and gum trees, BirdLife, everything that's there. Now the federal government's dumping it in their budget, I believe. I think it was what do they want to do? Knock out, pull out all the trees and put in housing. To me, it's a case of taking the fences down and making a huge recreation park as in it's the park lands.
01:41:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, put it back their green space. And that's why you're probably bought in there, Matthew.
01:41:31
Speaker 1: So you can have that environment exactly right.
01:41:35
Speaker 16: So is it going to put in a heaper housing? Yes, Well, where's the recreational facility. There's only limited facilities in the area anyway. Further away from here there's more, and I just think that perhaps for the council look at taking acquisitions of it and using it as a park land.
01:41:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a good point, isn't it. It's interesting because you obviously we've got a housing crisis. You've got to build homes, but you've got to get a fine balance, don't you, between green space and exactly.
01:42:08
Speaker 16: And that's when I'm alluding to the If you look at the space, it's there, and let's pretend they put in two story, three story units through there. Suddenly you've got a couple of hundred people. So where's there recreation here? I'm sure there's a swim pool, the outdoor pools in the area, fitness center, whatever else, different things, but the demand is going.
01:42:31
Speaker 2: To be much higher green space. Great point, Matthew, thank you for making it. Appreciate it there in Morphordville. Hello Rosemary from Yulabry.
01:42:40
Speaker 18: Hello, Happy Wednesday.
01:42:41
Speaker 2: Yes you two.
01:42:44
Speaker 18: Firstly, that not the last qualer, but the councilor counts of the council person as a government person. Robert sims, what a load of hypocrisy. It's so comical. They didn't want the government to spend that extra money to put the obarn underground, and now they're crying that, oh, people won't be able to use the barn. They'll use the o bar in the same way as it has been before where they come in by road, not by that bridge, that tunnel.
01:43:19
Speaker 2: So does that happen now for the clips or the Adelaide Gpes.
01:43:25
Speaker 18: Bunch, I don't well, I'm not sure, but I'm high hunted, but I'm not sure what plans are up. But it just makes me laugh that they had. There was so much said about the the obn going is the money spent on it and now it's a big deal. And also all of those trees, as those two houses that were nearly destroyed and nearly the people nearly died on the weekend with gum trees, gum trees should never be around anywhere where people will be sitting, playing or living. I love gum trees, but you go up at Melrose out in the park where they've got the most magnificent old gum trees, that's where they belong where people can view them with no harm to anybody. And as for green space, we've got a lot of green space in the city and it's not green, it's brown. They don't put lawns in them, they just grow as grass and you have to walk across them in the dust. Brand yes, yes, So if you're going to have green space, and particularly castles. Listen to this. You put the money into putting a lawn in there, putting playgrounds on there, putting something in that children can you how.
01:44:55
Speaker 2: About watering it once in a while or two? Good point Rosebery, thank you for that. I appreciate. It's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out. I understand both sides. I can understand why people don't want to lose their green space. I understand why people want progress and they want events and things to come to Adelaide. You've got to find that nice balance. Rowsm thank you. Before headlines Maureen from morphor Fail.
01:45:16
Speaker 15: Actually I want to talk about.
01:45:21
Speaker 19: Great He is saying that we've got to less environments. Stuff everyone them, yep, cutting down all that stret which us.
01:45:39
Speaker 2: But the oxygen. Yeah, well, I guess the argument would be more and thank you for the call. The argument would be that they're not dropping down every tree. They're dropping down some trees, but for many people, some is too many. So you understand why people are fighting for them. And again, forty thousand signatures is a lot when you consider previous petitions. You have to get them physical. People have to go round to forty thousand individuals. You can't just get online, sign a petition and away you go. It's interesting. One of the text messages here said that means at one point eight million people didn't sign the petition. Though come on, you're talking kids and all the rest of it. Still, it's a large number for petitions. Will it make any difference, will it do anything? We will find out. Robert Simms has now put it forward in Parliament and we see what happens from here. Three thirty headlines with Mail.
01:46:28
Speaker 1: Next Fave double A Afternoons with Lee.
01:46:33
Speaker 2: For I think that is a conversation between every AFL coach and players right now. I think they're going out after a game is done. Yeah, well hotel rooms.
01:46:43
Speaker 20: Interesting that Mitch George Ardi's had a press conference earlier today the port Player and they asked him, they said, well, have you guys been spoken to yet sort of formally in the wake of the Sydney situation, And he said no, they hadn't, but I'm sure it's coming.
01:46:57
Speaker 2: Joshi Caarr is having that conversation soon and Curve Views and all the rest of you. Now be it. It's the last round of the year, so it might be a little different to in season, but even next year going forward, it'll be interesting to see.
01:47:08
Speaker 20: Well, it's only the end of the home and away season, isn't it. I mean there are a lot of there are a lot of teams that are still alive in the competition, and we've got a few more weeks to go yet. So yeah, it's a very complex situation.
01:47:20
Speaker 2: You're a sensible person. Help me out on this. So a couple of text messages saying the idea of a petition seems one sided. Maybe the government should start a petition asking for signatures in support of the Moto GP, says Christian. Do you buy into I mean, forty three thousand, I would think seven hundred and eighty four is a significant petition.
01:47:38
Speaker 20: It is, I would think in Adelaide. I mean you've got to look at each petition on its own merits and what they're asking for, And in this case, yeah, I think it is. I haven't signed many petitions in myney.
01:47:50
Speaker 2: I don't know if they do anything, to be honest, Well, I.
01:47:52
Speaker 20: Suppose that's why, because I wonder if they're you know, if you really are doing much. But when you've got them physically and you hand them over to Parliament and they're tabled. Well, that is a whole different kettle of fish. I mean they are actually being seen.
01:48:04
Speaker 2: It's good visually to walk in with a stack of papers with forty thousand names and go, hey, these are the people who aren't happy. John on the text said I was asked to sign regarding the trees, I politely refused. Adult population over eighteen and Adelaide is approximately one million, forty thousand, which means only sorry one million, which means that forty thousand is only three point eight percent of the population. It's hardly a majority. How much of that math works though, you could say, well, there's only twenty five thousand other poor game on the weekend, therefore they've only got twenty five thousand supporters. Not everyone can get or wants to sign a petition.
01:48:36
Speaker 20: No, and I mean it is easier these days if you've got the online petitions as well, which a lot of I have signed online petitions.
01:48:43
Speaker 2: Do you think that's for it? With danger though, because we can see people, can you know bots can get into that and go crazy.
01:48:48
Speaker 20: Yes, anything online is open to is open to hackers or scammers or any kind of thing. Although I don't think they're probably worried about a few people signing off on some trees. They're probably more worried about our bank account details.
01:49:01
Speaker 2: And Ken said, how many of the forty thousand tree huggers will be first in line to buy a Moto GP ticket.
01:49:07
Speaker 20: Yeah, well it's a good point.
01:49:09
Speaker 2: Can be both? Can you be an Moto GP fan and someone who wants to protect parklands?
01:49:14
Speaker 20: Well, I suppose I'm a little bit of both. I mean, I can see that you need these events in South Australia. I think it's exciting that we're going to have this world first street race for Moto GP here in Adelaide in a couple of years time. But yes, we don't want to change the face of our parklands, which are very important as well. So I think it is a balancing act. But we also can't stop progress, and we know there's pros and cons.
01:49:39
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I want to go. I want to see what it's like, see what it's like, and you just make a decision for myself.
01:49:45
Speaker 20: I mean, they're not chopping down every single tree. I'm more worried about myself buildings. You know, I want buildings preserved just as much as trees.
01:49:54
Speaker 2: Oh lovely segue, because we're talking about that. After the break, we have an expert coming in to talk about that heritage rules leaving our buildings empty, yes or no? Before you leave us. Should the ABC building be heritage listed? Do you of an architectural type?
01:50:08
Speaker 20: It is because it's a brutalist building and it's a great example of brutalism architecture, and it is in a weird spot in suburbia, kind of out there in a residential area. But I think very much they call it a concrete castle. I think very much it needs to be saved. There's some great brutalist buildings in Port Adelaide as well that have been saved, So why not that one.
01:50:31
Speaker 2: You're going to love our next segment. Thank you, Meil, Thank you. We'll see you soon, Melasia with the latest in news back after this twenty five to.
01:50:38
Speaker 1: Four five double A Afternoons with Leaf Forest.
01:50:42
Speaker 2: Twenty four minutes to four. As I just mentioned to mel, I'm excited to speak to our next guest because this is one of the issues that I in particular mail and I'm sure many people in the city love too. It's the architecture of our magnificent city and particularly when it comes to heritage buildings and what it means. Does the strict heritage rules leave some of Adelade's buildings empty and some are not being used? Joining us as Gerald Matthews is the managing director and senior architect at Matthew's Architects. Lovely to have you. Thank you for coming in.
01:51:13
Speaker 8: Great to see you.
01:51:14
Speaker 2: So this would be your bread and butter. I imagine you would be in love with buildings as much as anyone.
01:51:19
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's an addiction, so occupational hazard. If you're study architecture.
01:51:22
Speaker 2: Can you be an architect? And I guess you would have the appreciation for other architects work too, whether you like it or whether you don't. Can you take that architectural hot off and just be a fan and go good building, bad building? Yeah?
01:51:34
Speaker 8: I think most architects start their career that way, so you never It's like you can be a musician, but you're still a music fan.
01:51:40
Speaker 2: True. Yeah, okay, that makes a good point. So how before we talk about the individual some of the individual buildings here in Adelaide, how do you deal with it as an architect there at Matthews What do you have what's your thought process when it comes to heritage listing? What you can what you can't do with these buildings.
01:51:59
Speaker 8: This is going to sound real strange, but the first thing I do if I'm looking at a heritage building that we want to adapt and bring back to life is I don't read the heritage listing right. And I eventually do read it, But the very first thing I want to do is approach that building with a fresh set of eyes. I don't want to be overly biased by what other people have determined is important about it and what should be kept about it. Those are important considerations, but you don't want to You don't want to go buy someone else's diagnosis.
01:52:28
Speaker 2: Yes, so this will be fun on the live stream because we'll be able to dissect and discuss a couple of these as we go along. I just mentioned to Mel the ABC building in Collinswood, huge building, brutalist. As Mel mentioned, do you know the history or the definition of brutalist what that means.
01:52:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, Brutalism actually has quite a profound history for Adelaide. In the Adelaide I think deserves the titleist one of the foremost cities in the development of post mid century brutalism. Okay, we had some real exponents of that movement. And so if you walk through the CBD and you look up and you see a heavy looking concrete building with an interesting sort of texture facade, but it feels a little bit brutal. Yes, that's a brutalist building.
01:53:14
Speaker 2: Brutalist building, So would you think that is something that needs to be kept at all costs? The ABC building, that type of architecture.
01:53:23
Speaker 8: Not at all costs, But I would come down on the side of we should keep the ABC building, okay.
01:53:27
Speaker 2: And the irony of this though, so now we're seeing it on our okay, Oh yeah, that's the one. I mean, it's very distinct. I'll give it that, you know, and architecture probably, like art, is in the eye of the beholder, is it not.
01:53:39
Speaker 8: The tragedy of brutalism is though, that they're not as nice to occupy as modern buildings, which is why adapting them for a different use is it's a little bit tricky.
01:53:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that would be an issue for developers and people walking through because I guess with heritage and we mentioned this with Bronte Menu before, there's not a lot you can do with them. Here's the building. Do with it as you will, all, don't mess it up.
01:54:02
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the rules are one thing. But even if there were no rules, even if it was you know, do as you wish, there's an economical imperative that is really hard to avoid. These are not cheap exercises, and I'm sure everyone would worry about you know, that's a ten story building, yes, on a site that's essentially suburban surrounds. If I was saying, Okay, next week, I'm going to lodge a planning application for a ten story brutallest building one block away, I'd be chased out of town, and probably quite rightly so. But it's interesting how it only takes a few decades, you know, basically a generation and a half, and now we're talking about, oh, we don't want to lose it, we should protect it. It's no one ever has that thought as the monstrosity is being built.
01:54:48
Speaker 6: Do we.
01:54:50
Speaker 2: When it comes to heritage listing, that is the criteria, right, you know? Like there are some So there's another one. There's Club one ninety nine, which is on North Terrace. I don't know if you know this particular building too. You're seat in a second here up on our livestream Club one ninety nine. I would argue that there are some that are not worthy of that particular monika of keeping. I'd be happy if that one disappeared. Now, the ABC building, I think you can argue that is so here we are. Here's Club ninety nine for those who know it on North Terrace there right across from the library. Yeah, I'm not sure.
01:55:29
Speaker 8: I wouldn't keep that one, no, be honest, And it's empty.
01:55:32
Speaker 2: So it's one of those things where people are going, can we do it? Do we not do it? What do we do? Albeit it's historic here in Adelaide because people would have memories and it's really.
01:55:42
Speaker 8: Easy to be overly sentimental about buildings in a city. And I think there's a danger to that because you end up every year you list more buildings than eventually you've listed everything. Yes, and you can't become a hoarder of architectural buildings, especially once they no longer fit.
01:55:59
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:55:59
Speaker 8: True, you have to be willing to give them up. And you know, maybe clumb One no known, Maybe it's time and go.
01:56:05
Speaker 2: What kind of architecture would you call that? So you call brutalless for the ABC when it's just.
01:56:10
Speaker 8: That's nineties postmodernism, is it right?
01:56:13
Speaker 2: All right? The New Market Hotel. See, I'm very sensitive about this one because as a young bloke, like many young blokes and ladies in Adelaide, when I first moved to Adelaide in the early nineties, the place to be was the New Market Hotel Wednesday Night for Heaven's TimewARP, Joplins and the pub itself.
01:56:31
Speaker 8: I heard that it's the birthplace of the invention of the measure of beher called the Butcher.
01:56:37
Speaker 2: Oh possibly, maybe I don't. I'm a non drinker. But look at that is a beautiful hotel that should never ever be destroyed.
01:56:45
Speaker 8: And there's been decades worth of people trying to invent the next chapter in its future.
01:56:51
Speaker 2: But is it hard for you as an architecture go, well, this is what you're given, here's your canvas. Not a lot you can do with that, Not a lot you would want to do with that. That's not great for what developers want.
01:57:02
Speaker 8: Architecturally, There's a lot you can do that. It does for a site like that, it does come down to economic imperative that it's a valuable corner and historically so valuable to us as a city, and that essentially means well, it's monetarily valuable too, So if you're going to buy this site and you need a return on it, you've got to go up. And now, ten years ago that was a really challenging idea. We now have some new buildings along the North Terrace that probably opened the door a bit there, and regardless of how you feel about that, well, it's a different landscape now than it was a decade ago.
01:57:39
Speaker 2: Do you get sad as an architect saying a beautiful building like that empty, like not being used? Yes, not being enjoyed.
01:57:45
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think an empty building it's a death sentence really for any beautiful heritage building. You leave a building empty for thirty years and the chances of ever being revitalized drop off dramatically. Yes, the cost of bringing it back to life essentially just climbs and climbs, and then there's a tipping point where okay, now it's really difficult and it tends to be that as a community we have this idea of okay, well we need to punish developers who don't redevelop, or punish building owners who don't look after their buildings. But it's not that simple, because the owners of these buildings are not willfully in most cases, willfully letting them fall into decline. They can't find an operator, they can't find a tenant.
01:58:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do you do?
01:58:28
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can if you can pound on top of that a punishment for not finding one, Well, probably everyone's just gonna not invest in those assets.
01:58:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it becomes it basically becomes a piece of art. It's like remember the days we used to go here. It's now not functional. It's an expensive piece of art sitting there doing nothing.
01:58:46
Speaker 8: And then eventually a beautiful ruin. It'll be like downtown Rome.
01:58:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it will be with great memories of time wap on a Wednesday night. The King's Head is another of the iconic pubs here in the city, King William Street in the city. And maybe people are you know, very passionate or emotional or sentimental might be a better word for it when it comes to these because they bring back fond memories, good memories, all of that. But again, as a non drinker, I sort of walk past the King's Head and go what a waste? Again, wouldn't it be nice to have someone taking this over so I can thrive again.
01:59:20
Speaker 8: But I think I held out huge hopes for the next generation who sort of fell in love with coffee instead of bars, which is probably a good thing, yes, and you know, maybe it's healthier for as a society, but it does mean well, the type of venue that people want has changed. Our tastes have changed in terms of where we socialize. Yes, and you know, maybe it's now it's coffee. Maybe in five years time it'll be what I love, which is tea.
01:59:46
Speaker 2: Okay, are there any well known architectural tea places in town that we should be aware of?
01:59:52
Speaker 8: Not not any that I think a sort of world stage for that, But there are some nice purveyors of good tea in Ittaly.
01:59:59
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you second about the idea of architecture to I think architecture falls into that like Olympic category at times where we watch it for two seconds and we think we're experts. You know, Olympic troll around all of a sudden. I know all about gymnastics and diving.
02:00:11
Speaker 8: I've seen grand designs too much, too much.
02:00:14
Speaker 2: Splash, won't get a good the bank s a building. I mean, there are so many of these historic buildings in Adelaide. What happens when they just remain empty. Is it good for the city?
02:00:27
Speaker 8: Is it good for clearly not, like an empty building is not a good thing for a city, even when it sort of happens in a strong economy. But you can see the rate of vacancy in Adelaide has been unhealthy for a while. In terms of older buildings, Yes, and in a way, I think we've more than crossed the threshold where we should be rethinking the game book here as in the playbooks, of how we tackle older buildings. And some of that is I think we do need to be prepared to look at what's permissible, it's allowable, And I think emotionally we need to get over this idea that developers are mercenary. There are people who make their living essentially transforming and bringing old buildings back to life. That's what they do for a living, and it doesn't help to demonize them into say, oh, they're going to try and do something to tell they're essentially taking a disused thing and bringing it back to life. We don't feel the same way about op shops recycling old clothes, so we shouldn't feel the same way about people who take the care to invest and renew older buildings.
02:01:31
Speaker 2: It's an interesting take. Gerald Matthews is my guest Managing director, Senior architect at Matthew's Architects. So the work that you do, again, we've only just met, We've known each other for about fifteen minutes. So I hope I'm not offensive here. Architecture feels like art to me where we all walk around and we go, you know, the Mayfair building on Highley Street and King William, those old gargoyles, whatever, that kind of I look at that and go, that's worth keeping. Then I drive around town and I see these glass monstrosities, which I'm hoping is not the architecture you do. There might be a couple where I just go, what is that like? That's not going to age? I don't. I will again, this is just my opinion. It doesn't good now, It's not going to in one hundred years time. Whereas classics and the North Terrace, the library and you know, eild A Hall and all of those kind of ones. Do you is that offensive to you as an architect? For I have someone with zero experience and knowledge like myself to walk around. There's one in the on the western side of West Terrace, you know the one. I'm thinking, unusual shape, it's almost got submarine like windows in it, and is it yours? Did you? It's horrendous? How on earth that gets by? We don't know. Is that offensive?
02:02:47
Speaker 8: You noticed it though, didn't you? And this is a bit like modern art, like okay, it offended you or it bothered you. And architecture is not like other art forms. I would say architecture is probably the last art form that absolutely requires a patron okay, and no one's very few architects are just building works of architecture for their own whimsy. We don't earn that much money to indulge in that, so we have to have a patron. And architecture is truly a collaboration between the architect and the patron. But with that there's other factors. How every architect is strained. You have to think about the context, the city, the community, the stakeholders who are not present in the meeting yep. And the strange sort of narrative that goes on though, is that you need to know about architecture to have opinions about it. And I don't think you do. I think everyone's entitled to an opinion about architecture. That's why architects should care what the public think.
02:03:43
Speaker 2: Let me take a quick break. We've got a question from a listener. I've got more for you on the other side. Managing Director Senior Architect Matthew's Architects, Gerald Matthews is here more on heritage buildings.
02:03:53
Speaker 1: Next five Double A Afternoons with Leith Forest I min It's.
02:03:58
Speaker 2: To four sports show on the way, very surely still even row Tim Jinnovier. Gerald Matthews is our guest. Managing Director, Senior architect of Matthew's Architects. What's the most recognizable building in Adelaide that you did that we would know?
02:04:12
Speaker 8: Probably the CMA turd A building on West Terrace.
02:04:15
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a big monstrosity. Yeah yeah, I mean that in the nicest possible way.
02:04:19
Speaker 8: It makes me happy every time drave pass.
02:04:21
Speaker 2: It's a big building. Now again that makes sense to me being all glass because people want to see the cars.
02:04:26
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a display box car.
02:04:28
Speaker 2: Is the other one yours across from the BP or West Terrace? Is that yours? The it's it's the curve car.
02:04:34
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, we were I thought I saw that on your website created the initial curve BMW building.
02:04:39
Speaker 2: Do you know they leave the lights on those cars all night every time? Yeah, I don't know how the batteries don't go flat. Okay, So I get, I get. Is glass cheaper than brick? You know, like, are we building more more buildings like that as opposed to some of the older buildings we see in the city.
02:04:55
Speaker 8: Glass is cheaper than it used to be, but brick is still cheaper comparatively. Okay, But if you're building any modern building, natural light means a big deal to humans. So views and natural light are why we tend to do more and more glass. And then there's the kind of equation of well, we can strip the building back so it's just glass, and now the facades easier to clean. So there's all these sort of knock on benefits of get more natural light, we get great views, the facades a bit easier to clean. We did the whole thing in one material, and suddenly you've got a big glass box. And there was an era, let's say in I would say internationally probably in the fifties, but in Australia really the eighties where people realized, you know, we really can just do a big glass box and the whole building's one material. And it sounded really appealing. But now you can see this cultural reaction that I think we're all having to a degree of where's the beauty, where's the ornamentation in the built environment, where's the little gargoyle, where's the little features? And I would love to see our use of technology bring that back. And maybe this is the lesson for you know, people don't lose their jobs. We we you know, we reach all, we retrain as a species. Yes, and now that we have robots and CSC machines and all sorts of three D printing, maybe we can bring ornamentation back to the built environment.
02:06:23
Speaker 2: That would be nice. That would be nice. Vinnie's got a question for you, ingrained Vinnie, you're speaking to Gerald Matthews.
02:06:30
Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
02:06:31
Speaker 19: There's a there's a building on the corner of this swelling Guessie North Terrace and Hackney Road. It's been there for ages, right, it's heritage, but nothing's been done to it, and it looks like nothing's got to be done. Then this looks like it's getting worse and worse.
02:06:45
Speaker 2: I think you're talking about Romilly House.
02:06:48
Speaker 1: That's it.
02:06:51
Speaker 19: Now, the purse on our lines, it's got no intense of doing anything about it on my DearS.
02:06:56
Speaker 1: Looking at it.
02:06:57
Speaker 8: I've never actually met an owner of that building, but I have heard sort of urban legends around the challenges of.
02:07:03
Speaker 2: There's something underneath that building too, I believe. Is that right?
02:07:05
Speaker 8: I've not heard that.
02:07:06
Speaker 2: Oh, I think there's like tunnels and stuff. That's what I've heard, Unless that's urban legend.
02:07:10
Speaker 8: Well, Adelie does have a lot of urban legends about tunnels.
02:07:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the Treasury on King Willy they got tunnels. So who knows.
02:07:17
Speaker 8: Yep, we should all have time.
02:07:18
Speaker 2: Romilly's been empty for it. I've been there almost twenty plus years, maybe more now. It's always been empty as far as I'm aware.
02:07:24
Speaker 8: Yeah, I actually can't ever remember it not being empty, and I'm not that old.
02:07:30
Speaker 2: So what do we need to take away? First and foremost? As an expert in this field, what should we all do when we think about these heritage buildings and the architecture of our city.
02:07:39
Speaker 8: I would love to say, let's say someone puts up a scheme for Emily House next week, and yes, they want to build apartments and they want to adapt to it and they're going to lose a bit of their heritage with that, they're going to train and keep a bit where they can. I think we should cheer them on. That should be our default position. Default cheer yeah. By default it becomes yes, that's awesome, bring it back life, do it yes. And because without that kind of support, anyone who's a naysayer or a nimbi or you know, a protective soul of resistance to change, those voices are very loud. And if you're ever wondering, like if you lodge a representation against a proposal that's up, and if you're wondering if anybody reads them, yes, we really do read them all. And those voices are very much heard. But there are plenty of people who want it to happen. Make your voices be heard.
02:08:33
Speaker 2: Matthew's architects. Do you do residential? Can people or your business artect?
02:08:39
Speaker 8: We do private residential and we do multi residential as in apartments. We have a couple of apartment buildings happening at the moment. I have a rule as in terms of private residences, and this is going to sound a bit fancy, but as an individual architect, I will only do one private residence at a time, and that's really just because of the emotional investment in that project.
02:09:04
Speaker 2: Yeah's your baby.
02:09:06
Speaker 8: So the last one took eight years to finish.
02:09:09
Speaker 2: Really all right, well, folks, if you've got eight years on your hands. Gerald Matthews, he is the senior architect Managing Director from Matthew's Architects. Great to have you, and thanks for allowing us to tap into the your insight for all of that.
02:09:22
Speaker 8: Great to see you with and baby.
02:09:25
Speaker 2: So, just like anything else, there are some uglier babies than others. That's all it is. That one in the West is just do you know the person who architecture that one?
02:09:33
Speaker 8: I remember looking up the company and I remember thinking it's not my cup of tea. But then a week later I met someone and the topic came up and they said, I love it, and I was shocked. They come from an arts background, and I think they're like you know, Mondriaanne and the modernists of art who've.
02:09:50
Speaker 2: Been more educated than me. I'm a little uncouth with just you know, I like what I like and I don't what I don't.
02:09:55
Speaker 8: Yeah, you shouldn't have to justify your personal tastes.
02:09:58
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