FIVEAA Afternoons with Stacey Lee - 20 April 2026

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Speaker 1: Five Double A Afternoons with Stacy Lee.
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you and happy Monday. It's the twentieth of April and I'm Stacy with you through until four o'clock today. Later on we will be talking about the AFL tribunal because the appeal is happening today in regards to the fine that was issued to Zach Butters back in gather Around feels like a while ago now, yet we still have to talk about it because the process is still ongoing. You'll hear from John Ralph, who is Fox Footy AFL journo who works with a Herald's son as well, what's the likelihood that the verdict will be overturned? And while I've got him, I'd like to ask him about the Elijah Hollands drama out of last Thursday night's game. The Carlton player who was seen to be a bit I guess dazed and confused is something you could call it during his game on Thursday night. What's happen with that? Is there an update? I think the AFL was asking questions that club was meant to be responding. Was he drug or alcohol tested after the game? We still don't know, so hopefully John Ralph has a bit of an update this afternoon, and if you've got any questions or would like to share your thoughts, eight double two to three double O double oh is the number to call, or you can send me a text message on zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. We also have Pet Talk after two thirty with doctor Derek, so if you've got a question about your cats or dogs, you can ring in on that number and ask him yourself. Well, then head to so Juna after two o'clock because I've been sent some pretty concerning videos and photos of anti social behavior happening there in the town. In the main street of Sojuna, people fighting, there's brawls going on. One video looks like there's just a drug deal happening in the street. Two men sitting on the footpath and you can see very very clearly in exchange of what looks like drugs. How is this happening? Why is it all appear to be coming to a head now? Like I say, it looks pretty concerning. If I was living there, I'd be worried about that type of behavior happening out there in public, and it's all happening near the foreshore as well, which is meant to be a dry zone. You know, there's photos that I've been sent of empty alcohol bottles thrown everywhere, public toilets with empty alcohol bottles and drug paraphernalia. So it does seem to be coming to a bit of a boiling point in Sjuna at the moment. We'll cross to one concerned local resident and then you'll hear from the Mayor of Sojuna, Ken Maynard as well. State Politics with Mike Smithson will be talking about whether or not South Australia should have a diesel reserve given the price of petrol at the moment it's coming down. It's not the highest it's been, but it's certainly not what prices pre Iran War were. So do you think there's a need for the state government to act and do something further like wa and institute a diesel reserve for South Australia. Maybe they need a law like they've got in the Northern Territory which would allow the government to intervene on petrol prices. Eight double two to three double OW is the number to call to have your say on that. We'll also talk about the electoral Commission. We know that they're going to be subject to a review. The state government's already announced that because the response and the way the election was handled appears to be inadequate this time around. You've got four years to prepare for an election and we had booths that weren't able to open on time due to staffing issues. There appeared to be technological issues at some polling places. There were parts of Kuba Pedie that couldn't vote because there weren't any electoral staff on. So how can all of this happen when it's you have four years to prepare for this role. Was the preparation not there? Who will conduct this review? Why haven't the details of the review been announced yet? All of those are questions that will ponder with Mike Smithson after one point thirty when we talk state politics. But first up today, there's a story in the Advertiser which has gained a lot of interest. It's about a playground in Glenside. So it's on the corner of Fullerton Road and Greenhill Road and I've been there before. There's a playground there, there's exercise equipment there, there's a big slide, there's a big swing there's barbecue equipment. It's a really nice park. It's very open and green. It's a really large space. Every time I've been there, there's been kids running around and playing. Families there. Well. There's been a bit of a bit of backlash after an exercise group apparently turned up to the playground two some days ago, and some parents have been quoted in the Advertiser saying they were concerned the group turned up and scared away young children. Is one of the quotes. The kids were having fun on the play equipment with their friends. The woman who's quoted said the men were doing chin ups on monkey bars and inverted push ups next to a climbing net. They also trained on the basketball court which is there on the playground as well, so it's caused a bit of a stir. I've seen some of the photos on the fitness groups social media. They're called Ready for All. It appears from the images that they drove in on an access road and they've got cars that are branded with They're Ready for All badges. It looks like they had multiple cameras set up, or at least one camera set up, because their social media shows I think at least twenty men topless men exercising and working out on the equipment there. So it's a it's a pretty slick operation. Looks like they're having a good time doing their exercises and all working out together. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with that except the fact that some parents have complained that they took over the park and the council is quoted as saying they can't do that. We've got Julia Grant here, the CEO of the City of Burnside, and she joins you this afternoon. Good afternoon to you, Julia, thanks for your time.
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Speaker 3: You're welcome, Stacey.
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Speaker 2: So is there an issue with exercise groups working out on either play equipment or workout equipment that's in some of the parks in the Burnside Council area.
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Speaker 3: Stacey, We have an approach where exercise groups or fitness groups can come unto our parks and reserves, but no one is allowed to have exclusive use of playgrounds in particular, and if that was the case, you need to have a permit. But even with permits and parts of our reserves and our fitness equipment, playgrounds are never ever for exclusive use. It really should be. They're designed for which are obviously children.
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Speaker 2: Okay, And so at this playground, like I said, I've been there before, there is a playground, there's a basketball coort, there's a barbecue area, and then there is some sort of it does look like fitness equipments and Calisenics fitness equipment.
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Speaker 4: Is that?
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Speaker 2: Is that how you would describe it?
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Speaker 3: Well, I would describe it just talking with staff. It's more of a playground area. And I suppose the key issue we're talking about is a group of young men coming in when there are children with their parents' careers and grandparents feeling that they cannot access and a bit intimidated. So I think I think that's really the nub of the issue. And you no group can come in and do that, but you know, I'd like us to work with the group because there are areas in our council area, such as Kensington Gardens Reserve where we do have really dedicated fitness areas which would really, I would think would suit this group's needs. So therefore kids can get on the playgrounds and some of these young men can do their fitness exercise in an appropriate area. And I suppose one more thing to add is that just speaking with staff is that there are some Australian standards around playgrounds and they should never be right next to fitness equipment. That there is meant to be playgrounds dedicated to children and families and other areas where fitness equipment is separate. And that's why if you look at Kensington Gardens Reserve, that's what you see. You see areas where there's fitness equipment and then playgrounds are in a separate area.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So the council's issue isn't necessarily with the group using the facilities, whatever they might be. Playground fitness equipment will put that to the side. Your issue is not that they used it. Your issue is more that they appear to have attempted to exclusively use it just for themselves when it's public equipment and it should be shared.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but there's a bit of both. Like I'm not sure whether you know twenty young men on monkey bars or whatever, whether that's really designed for that. I think there are fitness equipment which is probably fit for purpose for that type of exercise, and that's in a different area. But look, we're reaching out. We'd like to talk to them and really find a place where they can do what they want to do with their fitness and leave the playgrounds and the picnic areas to families.
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Speaker 2: So if they got in touch and said, look, we'd like to book out a time to use this equipment, would that be appropriate or can any group do that? Can any group get in touch with the council and say we want to do a hold a fitness group in your park at this time, at this location. Can we book it out?
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Speaker 3: Well, you can apply to the council and it will depend. I mean, we're trying to We're trying to accommodate everyone. So we can't have all public areas and assets monopolized completely by booking groups, but we try to balance that so we do the same. When you have children's birthdays or weddings in our reserves, you can have a permit for a certain time, and there are fitness groups or personal trainers that might use some of our parks as well. So it really is just a matter of ringing us up, having a chat and figuring out how we can do it to benefit everyone.
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Speaker 2: As someone here on the text line says, surely any group coming into an area that's meant to be shared would have some degree of awareness and common sense to not completely take it over. And I've got to admit if that happened when I was there with my child, I would feel a little bit intimidated by a big, a large group coming in and like I said, they've got cameras there set up, which I understand was a concern that other parents who were there at the time were quoted in the paper as having is there any rules about filming on on playgrounds in the area.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you shouldn't. You shouldn't really be filming children. But so really it sounds like it was a more of a commercial type of venture for that group. Obviously looking to maybe get other people who want to join their website was a little bit challenging because we couldn't find an easy contact for the group. But we've now, I think we've now sort of got I got a number. So you can't go into areas and film children or other people without permission. But I understand that primarily it was really just to promote their activity and to obviously for commercial purposes, and whether that's a bit of a trend of a certain exercise type. So yeah, so you know, I think there's an element of common sense they see when you go into a public space that we think about others that use it as well. So it's shared. I mean, that's the whole purpose of these areas. They're shared spaces for everyone.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 2: All right, So you're talking to the group now and will maybe arrange a different location or a permit to be there or somewhere else for their exercise needs.
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Speaker 3: Yes, well you can't. You can't get a permit for exclusive use of the playground, so that you can't permit that, but you can permit other parts of our parts and reserves. So we'll work with them, figure out what they'd like to do, and hopefully we come up with a little sensible solution. And obviously everyone needs to sort of think about it from another person's perspective, don't you. If you're a young twenty two year old fit strong man and you've got a seven or eight year old child who wants to use the same equipment, think a bit of common sense would prevail. So anyway, we'll work with them and hopefully we won't have a repeat we are working with them. I encourage people in the community who experience it really to think about contact and council ranges. So we have community ranges every day, so really really encourage people to ring up if there's another issue.
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Speaker 2: And do they operate on weekends as well, because I guess that's part of the problem. A lot of these events happen on weekends when even the people partaking in the exercise group I imagine not off work.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so, yes, we have community ranges on every day. So that number is eighty three, double six, forty two hundred.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Julia, thanks so much for your time this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: No worries, Stacety, thanks for having.
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Speaker 2: Me see you. That's Julia Grant, the CEO of the City of Burnside. Eight double two to three double OW is the number to call to have your say. We've also been in touch with Lee, who is a father of one of the fitness group members who was there on the day at the park, and he joins you this afternoon. High Lee, how are you?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: Good?
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Speaker 7: Thanks yourself?
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Speaker 2: Yeah good good. So you were listening to what Julia had to say. They're from the council. Does any of that seem unreasonable to you?
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Speaker 7: No, Look, I totally agree with Julia. I think you know, if kids are playing on the playground, you know, adults should be respectful of that. But the point is with that particular park, the playground is on the other side of a basketball court. It's about fifty meters away from the bars. Now, I appreciate that people have said that it's a playground, but I'm actually on the manufacturer's website right now and it is actually Callisthenedic bars that's been installed there. The fact that Burnside don't know that that equipment has actually been installed is battling, but they are. The equipment that's been installed is Calisthentic bars. So the guys that are there are using it for its purpose, and if children were using it, they're using gym equipment and they probably shouldn't be using it. It's pretty dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I've been there and it looks like it could be part of a playground and used as gym equipment. It looks like it's jewel use. Some of it looks like monkey bars. Some of it looks like you know bars that you could go under. I know when I was there those when I was younger, we would play on bars like that and do a bit and do a bit of limbo to you know, try and walk under the bars.
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Speaker 7: So I totally agree. And yeah, obviously when I was younger as well, we used to play. I think nowadays are a little bit tougher on that sort of thing. There's climbing frames anywhere and everywhere exactly. These are clearly as you stated, these are clearly GEM equipment. Okay. The monkey bar section or the section with bars across is quite high. I've actually been down there and I've trained with the boys myself, and you have to jump some of it's high.
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Speaker 2: There's tiered there's really tall ones, but there's also different tiers. There's lower ones too. No, yes, there are. Yeah, I'm looking at a photo right now and I've been there myself.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, so there's lower bars, but not lower monkey bars. Yeah, they're just lower bars. Okay, so kids could walk under them yet no problems.
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Speaker 2: And there are shorter ones that kids could jump up and you know, lift themselves up and do whatever they're going to do.
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Speaker 8: They can do that.
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Speaker 7: Would you equipment as well, Curt, not that you'd allow your children to do that.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, I guess we're going around in circles here. But the main issue that the council and I guess that the parents that are quoted in the paper. The main issue that they had was the group appeared to be seeking exclusive use and the kids who were there were no longer able to use that equipment. Can you see how that might be a concern?
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I think obviously if a lot of people turn up, I guess it'd be the same. If there was a soccer pitch there, though, wouldn't it ten guys turned up to play a five a side match? Would that be a problem. Or if some guys turned up to play basketball. They've got a basketball court there, The six foot guys turned up and start playing basketba, would that be a problem.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if they wanted exclusive use of the court and hadn't booked it.
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Speaker 7: Yes, Well, if it's a half court, or if a soccer pitcher someone wants to play a game on a soccer pitch, that would be a problem as well.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, If anyone turned up to a public space where there were kids already playing and they wanted to use it just for themselves, then yeah, it would be a problem.
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Speaker 7: Right, Okay, fair enough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's why we're chatting today, because some people do see it as a problem, and so does.
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Speaker 7: The council right, Okay, yeah, well yeah, obviously they if there's if there's a group of another think there's twenty. I think there was eleven there and I think in the phoo one person had their shirt off. There was ten had their shirts on. You can turn out as well, and for what they're but they're using bars for what the manufacturers, isn't it for?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: I understand those videos. That particular session was a promo for R for A clothing brand. R for A isn't a color stetics community, isn't a group. It's basically it's a free community that are doing color stonetics and the R for A clothing brand has just jumped on to do some promotional work with them, which is great.
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Speaker 2: So it's so good that there's a you know, local group of guys who get together to exercise and they've got promo work and hopefully they've got money.
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Speaker 7: Exactly throwing hands into the into the water and drug paraphernalia and all that type of stuff exactly. So it's great that they're involved morning something like this.
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Speaker 2: But the concern is that they were seeking exclusive use of an area either near a playground or part of a playground, And we won't get into the semantics again, we've been over that, but that that is, that's the concern. So will they work with the council now to try and find a more appropriate place.
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Speaker 7: Of course, of course, and if that, if the council probably should get rid of the gym equipment that they've installed at the playground, because that's what it is. It says on the manufacturer's website it's gym equipment. And if a gym equipment shouldn't be put next to a playground, then there's a problem, isn't there Australia standards problem?
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Speaker 2: All right? Sorry, we're getting lost again. So they are going to work with council to find a more appropriate place for their workouts in future. So yeah, okay, And yeah, the videos that would be a concern to me if my kids were there and getting a tripod out and videoing themselves topless and you know, or not topless whatever whatever it was, with shirts on, with shirts off. Can you see how videoing in a public place where kids are around might be a concern to people.
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Speaker 7: Well, the kids are in the playground fifty meters away, and as you just said, they were seeking exclusive use of the kids. Weren't there?
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Speaker 10: Were they?
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Speaker 7: Or were they were the kids in the video? I don't seen them all of the videos.
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Speaker 2: Anything else you'd like to.
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Speaker 7: Say, Lee, No, you just got to understand that, you know, this.
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Speaker 2: Is I'm more than understanding. I've seen.
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Speaker 7: I've seen the boys again. The boys are getting harassed severely, okay, for doing something that they should be doing, doing something for being some Yeah, you should see the comments that have been put on social media and that type of thing. It's actually really disheartening to have a community that's ready to pull positive activity by young boys down when there's so much negativity out there. Why not get behind the boys? Why not support them?
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Speaker 2: Well, there's always two.
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Speaker 7: Older comments on social media and disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's horrible. I've had that happen to me as well. And social media is a very toxic environment and one in which I don't think many of us should you know, be involved in all too often. So that's horrible and I'm sorry that that's happened to them, But it just seems very very one sided. I guess I'm just trying to put the other perspective to you.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, Yeah, Now, I understand and take the view. I'm sure they'll work with the council to try and find an alternative place that they use lots of different, lots of different parks, so I'm sure there's another place that they can.
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Speaker 2: Use, right, okay. And do they get permits at other parks as well or do they just sort of turn up and hope that there's no one there.
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Speaker 7: No, I don't think there's any needs normally.
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Speaker 2: Oh right, Okay, So I guess this is this happen somewhere else.
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Speaker 7: You know, this isn't just something that's happening just with this group. This is happening all over Australia and all over the world at the moment. It's a big movement that's happening mainly on social media as well. So what's the different to everybody else casts it's the fitness crazy right, and.
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Speaker 4: They do it.
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Speaker 7: They do it in groups, is promoted on social media.
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Speaker 2: Okay, great, all right, Well, I've got to leave it there and his headlines is upon us. But I appreciate you coming on to give your perspectively. Thank you, thanks, see you Lee there. One of the fitness group members fathers Okay, well, huge response to this. On the text line, someone says, this bloke doesn't get the point. He even comes across as being completely delusional. It's not that the gym equipment shouldn't be placed next to a playground. It's that the group was seeking to It's that the group was seeking losive use of an area. Someone else says, I bet there wouldn't be this much fewer if it was a bunch of girls. I don't know why people are bringing gender into it. I think it would be an issue no matter who it was. If you're trying to exclusively use a public park, that would be an issue. Doesn't matter if it's a group of men group of women. That appears to be the issue here. But anyway, your thoughts are welcome. Eight double two to three double double OW is the number to call, or you can send me a text zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. Very divided on the text line, so we'll take some of your calls throughout the afternoon. Up next, after these news headlines, we're talking state politics with Mike Smithson as well.
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Speaker 11: Five double A Afternoons with Stacy Lee twenty.
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Speaker 2: Six minutes to two. Here on five Double A, getting a huge response to this right or wrong? Who should have more entitlement to use playground slash gym equipment a local park? Alan in West Beach says, that's the spirit hijack the whole outfit by a bunch of adults who just want to get there. You get their gear for free, cheap and selfish. I think this, Karen says, talk about going round in circles. He didn't get the point. Albie says it sounds like the playground and Jim area are exclusive to children. And then this text message from Nick we should be counting ourselves lucky that the scariest thing our kids are exposed to is a bunch of young lads working out pretty much the definition of a first world problem. And Nick, the first part of that I agree with that. You know, we are very lucky that here, on a beautiful Monday afternoon in Adelaide, that we get to debate the use of a playground and who's more in the right and who's more in the wrong, aren't we? I mean, when you look at it that way, it's not we're not doing too bad, but these are still important things to talk about, and we like to cover the important topics here on the afternoon's program. So your thoughts we welcome on eight double two to three double double O. Rick is in clear Velly and has called in Hi.
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Speaker 6: Rick, look long time, long time five double a listener because a we can contribute and we all get educated. This was a beautiful job of going from hysteria with men taking children's equipment with their pops off to it being an adult gymnastic thing fifteen meters away from the kids. And these men are fathers, so the mothers have got to say the children, there's nothing to be scared of. And it was a wonderful way you dealt with it because now we know the real story and get rid of these such negative wik views that a lot of people have got. But now we know it's a playground for men who go there maybe once a month, and it's good to see their exercising. And thank you for balancing it, giving us the balance.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Rick, appreciate the call. Eight double two to three double double O is the number if you'd like to have your say, Antonette high Stacy twenty shirtless men. When and where do I sign up? Antonette inappropriate? Thank you for your message. Mike, what a joke. Topless blokes using a normal playground. They don't think. I won't read out that word, but they're too tight not to pay Jim fees. Imagine if topless girls were doing the same thing. Thank you, Mike Dirk says, skate parks make it work. You see a pack of pro skaters, often with their shirts off, as well as tiny kids are on scooters, living in harmony. I think this sounds a little bit like burnside bother. Keep your thoughts coming. Eight double two to three, double O double ow is the number to call. Let's talk state politics now the.
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Speaker 11: Latest in state politics with Mike Smithson.
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Speaker 2: Smith though, I think I've seen you down there at the Glenside Park topless doing your pull ups and sit ups and the like.
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Speaker 10: No, I don't think he's seen me ever topless Stacey. To be honest, I don't. I can't recall it. But anyway, will you move on? But speaking of that, I take our grandchildren, my wife and I do every Wednesday to a park up in the Foothills area, and there's a guy idea that does a whole lot of kickboxing right near the children's playground that is really annoying and quite intimidating, and he's been asked would you mind moving on, and he just said no, I'll do what I want, So it does happen. I know, I'm all for men's health and fitness, but sometimes just do it in at the appropriate place. So I'm not a big fan of a whole group of gentlemen converging on a playground and playground area and doing it. I think it's there for trying to intimidate. I don't know for what reason, but I think there's that aspect to it.
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Speaker 2: Surely, yeah, I mean to me, I think it's just common sense. Comes into play's playground nearby and there's kids playing and their parents are there. There's a time and a place for everything. I'm like, you, great that these guys are getting together and exercising together, and then they could sure be doing worse things. But if there's a bunch of kids around and they're playing on the play equipment, just find another time or find another place exactly. Anyway, I'm guessing this is not becoming a parliamentary matter. There's no politicians getting involved in this, apart from the Burnside Council.
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Speaker 10: No, no, they don't exercise that fulsomely, I don't think, no.
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Speaker 2: No, But something that Parliament will have to consider when it returns is the inquiry into the Electoral Commission and the way they've handled this state election.
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Speaker 10: Yes, there'll be a review into the way they handled it, which I think was an absolute shambles when we see in light of the votes that were left behind in some dusty office up in the electortive Stewart way up in the north, where there were hundreds of votes that were cleared, votes that people came in and voted during the campaign and pre pole process. The votes were still there, and then they weren't included in the final count. For Narunga, for instance, where it was a close result and there were a number of votes that could have theoretically changed that result in Narunga, but the Electoral Commission had already declared the winner. So it's like saying, well, the grand final siren rings. I actually no, We've got to bring all the players back and play another five minutes. It's just ludicrous that it got to that point. So there is an independent inquiry being called into this, and the Electoral Commission will comply with that. I think the government would almost like to see Hedge roll over this because it runs with a substantial budget, it has four years to get the election process and it's stuffed it up. As simple as that, it's unforgivable.
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Speaker 2: It does seem strange that it was some of those issues were able to happen, and you know, you do not want South Australians to lose faith in the electoral system because once that happens, we're on a slippery slope to being America, you know, and we don't want anything like storm the Capital happening here and people questioning the electoral system. But there are concerns that are valid that should be raised about polling booths not opening on time, the use of iPads and people the technology not working, votes being lost. So this does need to be looked into. But how does that happen? I guess is what Parliament is going to need to consider because the Electoral Commission, and rightly so, should be at an arm's length from the government. So they need to make sure they're appointing someone independent, someone that's not related to Parliament or government, someone that's not related to the Electoral Commission, but also has an understanding. So even a former electoral commissioner, you'd think would not be the right person for it.
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Speaker 10: No, all of the above. I don't know who they're going to fight, and I don't know when they're going to start. Presumably we'll be paying for it whenever it happens or how long the investigation will take. But when we talk about the electoral Commission, it is one of the highest officers of integrity within the state. It cannot be tainted, it can't make mistakes. That's the whole reason for a democratic process, that it is run properly and faultlessly. And if there had been some spanner in the works at the last moment, you might cut them some slack, but there wasn't. There's four years they knew four years in advance the exact date of the election. They have people there who are highly paid to do that job to get their act together. Why it's stuffed up so badly this time around, I don't know. I'd like to know where Commissioner mic Sherry was last week when the problem surfaced and the assistant or the acting Commissioner Maclay had to step in and explain to the media what went wrong, and when she was asked, where is Mick Sherry, the commissioner. She said he's on leave. Now I would have been asking when did he take the leave, and was he asked to come back and answer the questions. He's a very approachable person. It seems a little mysterious that he is on leave at the moment and has had no comment to make. I don't know what sort of leave it is, but I just think it's if heads don't roll over this, I don't know how much worse it gets.
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Speaker 2: To be honest, and you're right, Mick Sherry is approachable every time we've requested him, Almost every time we requested him in the lead up to the election, he'd come on and answer questions. He takes calls, so he does seem very approachable and open and transparent. You can't blame a guy for being on leave, can you.
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Speaker 10: Well, when he was asked what sort of leave is he on, basically the media was told very much, well, it's a private matter. It's got nothing to do with you. If he was overseas, we'll say he's overseas. If he's in the state, if he couldn't make it, well, at least give some sort of recognition to the fact that he's not there and why he's not there, because I think when it comes to an issue as serious as this, that the head of that department or the Commission should be the one answering the questions. He seemed more than available during the campaign. As soon as the problem has emerged, he's nowhere to be seen. I like Mick. I think he does a good job, but I think it's mysterious why all of a sudden he's not available and hasn't spoken since.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I guess we'll find out in due course once Parliament resumes. How the Independent Inquiry is going to look, and hopefully he's back from his leave and he'll be able to take part. I'm sure will.
00:33:00
Speaker 10: We Well, who will have to? Yeah, we have to front it. We don't know again? Where? Why? How? Which? So many answer? M'm answered questions to this issue.
00:33:14
Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break and after that, I'd like to ask you about the petrol and diesel situation at the moment. The opposition calling for a fuel reserve for South Australia. Is the government going to buy into that? And petrol prices appear to be coming down, so I'm not sure it's the main concern on anyone's mind. But I've said if this drags on, I think there'll be pressure building on the government to actually do something about it. So we'll talk about that in just a moment.
00:33:40
Speaker 1: Smith, Oh, sure, five Double A Afternoons with Stacy Lee.
00:33:50
Speaker 2: Twelve minutes to two. Here on five Double A we're talking state politics with Mike Smithson, Chief reporter and present it with seven News and smith though the opposition and I think you know it would be safe to say that had a little had some time off post election. They've come out over the weekend and called on the government to have a fuel reserve, diesel reserve to try and shore up some supplies to South Australia. Other states have done this, like wa, is it a little bit too late for them to be making this call?
00:34:20
Speaker 10: Well, they send to be doing it or I was going to say, banging on about it each day it's unkind but today another day Ashton Hearn was out. Within the last hour She's claimed the government's been asleep at the wheel on fuel and still calling for a strategic diesel reserve. I guess you've got to find the facility to store the diesel for starters would have been handy to have the tanks down a port. Standback that they're no longer there, obviously, but she will keep pushing this agenda in terms of getting a reserve. The government says, well, and I will take the national approach. Don't you plan for something like this. You don't do it as a knee jerk reaction just because we have a fuel crisis. But I put to the Opposition leader at the press conference that it's starting to go off the boil now because people are driving around and seeing fuel for under a dollar ninety eliter, which seems luxury compared to two or three weeks ago. I don't know if there's a huge public appetite to jump on board. You know, we must spend money, countless millions on establishing a fuel reserve, and they get diesel and store it in there, farmers and those who drive diesel cars. I still think it's an excessive price. But the Opposition leader was I've bolled me and said no, no, this is still a problem and will be a problem well into the future, and we can't sit around and wait for it. We've got to do something about it right now. But the government, as i'd say, zero appetite in listening to anything.
00:35:54
Speaker 2: The opposition says, look, they can play politics over it. The issue, though, I think is petrol is expensive right now and we don't know for how long it's going to remain. And I said this morning with Dave and Will that I think the government's response so far has been pretty inadequate. The only announcement they've really made was a press conference with the RAA to add a feature to the RAA app which shows you a number of how many petrol stations are out of fuel. You could already see which individual stations don't have unleaded and if they don't have diesel you could pick that option too, so you could already see if there was a servo near you that had run out. But they just added a feature to show you, oh, there's now twenty four service stations without unleaded. That doesn't help anyone to tell you how many don't have petrol. So I think that their response so far has been pretty subpar. No discount on public transport or free public transport like other states are doing. They're not even considering reserving petrol or diesel for South Australians.
00:36:57
Speaker 10: What are they doing well, I think there are the imperative here as far as the government's concerned, not that they would openly admit it, but the treasure is trying to frame a budget, which I think he's understrain. I think he would admit quite freely that it is very difficult task just what the government's fuel bill would be or has been in recent months. And they've got projects like the South Throw Tunnel project and the Women's and Children's hospital which will be coming online pretty soon, and they've got the North Adlai golf course that's going to keep going the way it is. The Premier seems to think it will, despite the question marks over Live Golf's future. But when the treasure is trying to balance the books and even have a surplus to pay down our enormous debt, he doesn't want to be thinking of big ticket projects into the future, such as fuel depots. And if he doesn't have to spend money, or if he doesn't have to commit or even think about this sort of planning, why in current tight time. So that's one of the reasons I think the state government says, well, look, we'll just leave it to the feeds and let's hope and take their assurances that we have a steady, uninterrupted fuel supply still coming from the Middle East despite the.
00:38:16
Speaker 2: Termoil and I understand that budget tree reasonings. Yet then they're still going to spend fifty million dollars to upgrade the North Adelaide golf course even if live golf isn't going ahead.
00:38:28
Speaker 10: Well I put that to the Premier today too, that I said, wouldn't be political prudent approach to this be Let's just wait and see what happens with live golf before we start bringing the chainsaws out and cutting trees down. And again put in the argument we're spending nearly fifty million dollars on a public golf course to make it into a public golf course. It just doesn't to me. If ever, there was a get out clause if the Premier wanted one, which he doesn't want, and I make that quite that he says, no, this is going ahead, rain, aile or shine, because we want to make a facility that will attract people here and perhaps other tournaments. I just don't see that anything's going to measure up to Live But to me, turning a thirty six hole golf course into an eighteen hole golf course a cost of forty five million dollars when you may not have lift golf here. To me, I'll be putting the handbrake on that for starters. But he has given the assurance today that it's all systems go and nothing will stand in its way. So I said, well, I'm almost offering you get out claws here that you can always blame and lift golf if this doesn't go ahead. But he said, no, this is the plan and we're sticking to it.
00:39:43
Speaker 2: All right, fifty million dollars for a golf course for a golf tournament that may not be going ahead anymore. But if you want some relief for petrol or public transport or the state government to shore up some supply, no, sorry, there's not enough money.
00:39:58
Speaker 10: More or less, you've summed it up quite well.
00:40:02
Speaker 1: Now.
00:40:03
Speaker 2: There were out today. We're making an announcement which I think is a really good policy. Twenty four to seven pharmacies. They're opening another three of them.
00:40:11
Speaker 10: They are for those who live in the northeast Mount Parker and the western suburbs. There are no exact locations because they're putting the tenders out to see who's interested in taking up twenty four to seven facility existing pharmacies that will just extend their hours. But so far the stats don't lie at all. There have been six hundred thousand people who've utilized the out of our service quarter of a million prescriptions that have been dispensed during those extended hours. Now that means technically and literally that most or many of those people haven't gone to an emergency department after ours because there is no other facility available. So that should be easing the squeeze in our EDS going forward. So it costs about a billion dollars per pharmacy per year to supply extra training and extra security at these facilities. But we went to the NORD Pharmacy National Pharmacies at NORD today and they are very enthused. They were one of the first ones. They've said. It's working seamlessly, that people are coming in. Pharmacists are being given extra training to be able to prescribe antibiotics, for instance, after hours and for very many other ailments that in the past people would either go to an EED or sit home and suffer. So especially for kids, if you've got a young kid, as I know you have that if you've got a baby, and in the middle of the night with a screaming baby that's obviously got a shocking ear infection or a throat infection or whatever. You want that comfort of being able to go to a pharmacy. And that's a lot of young parents using them and they're in lives of success.
00:42:01
Speaker 9: Yeah.
00:42:02
Speaker 2: Now, I've got lots of friends. We haven't had to yet, but it's always in the back of my mind if we need to. You know, you run out of that baby panadole or teething gel, whatever it might be. It's always good to know that not too far away there is a twenty four to seven pharmacy that you can go to to get what you need. So, you know, like I said, I think this is a good policy. Open more of them in more suburbs so they're more approachable for more people and take pressure off GPS. Therefore taking pressure off eds and hospitals or whatever you can do outside of the hospital system to help would work.
00:42:33
Speaker 10: So I see there's a total success. I'm glad they are expanding it, and I would think it other than it's some million dollars a year per pharmacy. Bra I only talking seven seven pharmacies, so far, so there's only seven million dollars out of a multi multi billion dollar health budget. Seems to me to be a pretty good return.
00:42:53
Speaker 2: Yep, no brainer. All right, smith Though, thanks for your time today, have a great week as always.
00:42:59
Speaker 10: Thank you, Steve.
00:43:00
Speaker 2: See you. That's Mike Smithson from seven News and you can see his report tonight at six o'clock time for the two o'clock news. Now and after that we're heading to Sjuna where there's been a rise in anti social behavior. I've been sent some videos of some of the goings on happening in the main town of Sojuna and on the foreshore, and it's extremely concerning. So we'll talk about it next with a concerned resident and counselor. And then you're going to hear from the mayor of Sjuna, Ken Maynard.
00:43:29
Speaker 1: Five Double A Afternoons with Stacy Lee.
00:43:35
Speaker 2: And a very big good afternoon to you. Welcome to the second hour of the afternoon's program. In half an hour's time, it's Pet Talk with doctor Derek, So if you've got a question about your cats or dogs, he is the one to answer it. On eight double two to three double O double five. Then after three o'clock, we're heading to Victoria where the AFL tribunal will take place once again. Looking at the Zach Butter's appeal, is it likely that the verdict could be overturned. We'll talk to John Ralph about it. He's a Fox Footy AFL journalist and works for the Herald Sun too, And while I'm talking to him, I'd like to ask him about the situation with Elijah Hollands for Carlton in the Thursday night game. Lots of concerns have been raised about his behavior during the game and lots of questions have gone unanswered. So we'll talk to John Ralph about that and see if we've got any more clarity from the AFL or from the Carlton Footy Club about what happened postgame well also pregame during game. Postgame, was Elijah Hollands alcohol and drug tested? Is that a concern that the club has? The club and the AFL have come out and cited mental health concerns, which obviously is a concern, and his mental health and the state of his mind need to be taken into consideration, but that doesn't also mean that the there aren't serious questions that need to be answered as well, so we'll discuss that this afternoon too. Plus after three point thirty, it's afternoon delight. We like to start the week off on a positive note and share some good news with each other. And there's a fifty dollars Quinsies confectionery voucher in it for the best caller today, So get thinking. If there was something that crossed your mind over the weekend, maybe you were given some good news. Maybe in the last couple of weeks you've caught up with an old friend and you just had a great time and it gave you the feel good feelings. Share it with us, because we all like to feel good, and sometimes, especially at the moment, it feels like there's so much negativity in the world, which is why we like to start off the week positively. So that's coming up. But at nine minutes past two here on five double A, I've been sent some pretty concerning photos and videos of some I guess a mild way of describing it as anti social behavior that's been happening in so Juna, and Rio Nichols is the one who's been passing them on and is really concerned about this as well. He joins you this afternoon. Good afternoon, Mario.
00:46:08
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Starkey.
00:46:10
Speaker 2: Thanks thank you for Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. I appreciate you reaching out and letting us know about what's been happening in you know, the town of Sjuna, because, like I say, some of these videos and photos are really concerning people fighting in the street, you know, groups of people drinking. One of these videos is looks like a just a drug deal happening on the side of the street. It looks like the main street.
00:46:38
Speaker 9: In so Juna.
00:46:39
Speaker 2: It's it would be really concerning behavior if I was living there.
00:46:43
Speaker 4: Yes, certainly, Stokey as a last long resident of I'm sixty years old resident, a farmer, semi retired farmer, lives in town now concerned. Like resident, I'm also an ellected member on council, but I'm not using my council hat for this stuff here. I've just been reached out for me. I've been reached out to by right powers and residents just on a local behalf to to deal with this. And yes, look it's an unfair it's an unfolding humanitarian disaster at the moment, and look, AT's the worst I've seen it in my life in Sigena, and we've probably always had drugs, so I had alcohol and gambling Instagena, but we're probably highlighted and notice now in recent times that we've got we've got drug abuse really coming to the fore and noticeable with what's going on in Sagina. Like the foreshore is littered with needles.
00:47:50
Speaker 12: Some of the.
00:47:50
Speaker 2: Photos of the it looks like just the public toilets there on the foreshore and there's needles and drug paraphernalia all over the sink and the floors and the toilet. If you've got a if you've got a child or even just a resident and adult resident needing to go and use the toilet, and you walk in and see that it's so worrying.
00:48:10
Speaker 4: Well, well it is, I see because there's actually a public playground only about fifty meters away from that, and it is the only only toilet coached by a public toilet that is actuable for kids and that that are using this playground. Counsel stuff do do a run around early in the morning and pick all this stuff up. But it's pretty onerous for this really happened, because there's not only needles and drug Pawers an area that's got to pick up as well. There's an empty alcohol beverage container that you've probably seen in some of those pictures there. And I need to remind you that this whole Forcial area or the main town Picnico, you know, is a declared dry zone.
00:48:52
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's clearly not happening or being enforced.
00:48:57
Speaker 4: Well, that's and this is what people. They have sent me a lot of these photos, and I think given let's a share of the ones that you'd say, that's probably only a smaller It's definitely only a small percentage of the ones I do have. Some of them are quite horrifying. I think I'll probably see you a few high.
00:49:15
Speaker 2: They are.
00:49:17
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know where saying we've got to act. I do honestly think we have a lot of service agencies in town. I think they're probably overwhelmed at the moment with trying to grapple.
00:49:28
Speaker 13: With the issues.
00:49:30
Speaker 4: It's not we click the whole. I hea that it's not entirely it's definitely not race based, so it's affecting every every group of people in the community. Whatever they say, maybe it's an epidemic.
00:49:45
Speaker 2: Because I guess that there is a generalization that you know, when we talk about anti social behavior into Juna, some people's minds would automatically go to the indigenous communities there. So you're saying it's it's more widespread than that, A definitely.
00:49:59
Speaker 4: Look, I've had a lot of Indigenous people in the community reach out and met with the same concerns, like, yes, you it always seems to get portrayed in the media a lot that is the Indigenous, but insigenna, it's not not the entire case. You know. I've got long, lifelong Indigenous things which I consider some of my best mates and things that I associated with socially all the time, and they are halfight is going to remember these people that are kids as well and also play on the foreshore on that and at the moment, it'll be a bit like walking in the mindfield in Afghanistan because you don't know where you're going to get a needle stick injury.
00:50:41
Speaker 2: Gosh, So, I guess why do you think it's it's happening now? It seems to be worse now than it has been in the past. What do you think has caused it right now?
00:50:54
Speaker 4: Personally? I don't know. I think some of the intelligent intelligence I have is I think that ice is the predominant drug at the moment from what I can what we've been told, it's cheap and readily available, and it's easy to access, so it's a tricky one. It's easy to conceal, it doesn't smell, there's not much of it, and it's very hard I think for the police to go and try and convict a drug dealer. They go and try and bust someone and he's got a bag. Probably out the size of that bag. It's in one of those videos that I sent to you. They get flushed down the toilet or there's personally no evening. So if you're dealing with with weed like marijuana, you're dealing with a bag that smells hard to chrap away. This this ice drug is so easy, considerable, and it's cheap. And I think this is from it's actually cheaper than an alcohol I do. I do think also going to the alcohol side of thinking together, we have a massive alcohol following Toogina as well. From what I've said now, I'm not sure whether all this goal is getting bought definitely getting consumer into you, whether it's actually getting purse through the bottle or bought in the town by gog runners. I really don't know what the answer to that is, but I do know one thing I was going to touch on with you is that you was taking along quite fine here until the elections, the last federal election where the Labor government introduced they want they being the Cassius debit card, and that we're heading into that income management, that is managing people's money. So they could only spend their money on food and groceries and you know, normal things at shops and things like that camping year and stuff like that. The quarantine money from getting spending the pages and in the in the bottle of shops on alcohol. So that card was removed when later come into power and our town took a backward step and down it was spied from them because out of that we had moms and dads that were spending all their money on alcohol, drugs and gambling, and the poor kids at home, they've become the subject of domestic violence. Hungry, so the kids are out on the streets trying to steal to there hungry wasn't no food, and it just created a whole downward spial and this puts pressure on all the agencies that we have in town here had a bus and their button off at the moment to try and services column, and there wouldn't be no one I would imagine that would not disagree with me that the card worked. It was taken away and we're at this point where we are now. I wouldn't say that that's going to sort the drug column out, but it was given people a better quality of life and it was noticed.
00:54:01
Speaker 2: Well, these these photos and videos are really concerning, and I would be like you, Mario, if I was if I was there, I'd be wanting something to be done about it. So we'll follow up and we'll see what can be done about it, I guess.
00:54:17
Speaker 4: Because if there's one thing I can out Stacy like the level of the casist, Derek card was a political decision. It wasn't a decision that was made obviously in the best interest of the community. A purely political decision that's not working, and it needs to be reinstated or reinvestigated, even if it needed tweaking in a few places to make it work better. But it's about the only take home message I've got for what actually did work in this town. I think you can talk to the police, you can talk to the Maya. I'm pretty sure they would have go with me wholeheartedly on this this one issue.
00:55:01
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what they've got to say about it.
00:55:04
Speaker 9: Mario.
00:55:04
Speaker 2: I appreciate you you raising this issue and let's hope something can be done about it. Thank you for your time.
00:55:10
Speaker 4: Thanks Starcie, cheers.
00:55:12
Speaker 2: It's Mario Nichols there, concerned resident. He's also a member of council, but he's not talking to us there in his capacity on council, and I for full transparency sake, I recorded that interview with him a couple hours ago because he was busy this afternoon, so he said, let's record the interview now and we'll play it out later in the afternoon. And I've since found out and had a chat to Mario about this, but he's the president of the Sjuna branch of the Liberal Party, which isn't an issue. More still, more than happy to chat to Mario and anyone who has concerns about what's happening in their neighborhood, and particularly after seeing these videos. It's something that I shared his concerns with but I just wanted to put that out there that he is a member of the Liberal Party, he's the president of the branch there in Sojuna, just so you can have that knowledge as well when you listen to that in you when he's raising concerns about his thoughts on why that behavior might be happening in Sojuna. And after this we will be talking to the Mayor of the Sajuna District Council, Ken Maynard about it. We'll see what Ken thinks about the situation and if there's anything he thinks that can be done to try and address the problem.
00:56:19
Speaker 11: Five Double A Afternoons with Stacy Lee.
00:56:25
Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you. Getting lots of text messages on zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five talking about the issues we were discussing before the break happening in s Juna with anti social behavior, lots of on street fighting from videos that I've been sent, different drug and alcohol paraphernalia left in parks and public toilets, and many of you are pointing out that these issues aren't isolated to Sir Juna, which of course we know. But Nick says, no, that's a different message. Sorry's Steve says, We've got our own problems here. With discarded syringes in Adelaide one in Whitmore Square. I had to lodge a complaint with the council after discovering multiple overflowing bins. Neil says, talking about the problem in Sojuna of drugs and grog, how much of this problem would have come down from up north. Points out that it's different people coming from different areas and he says people are selling it to people in the ap wylands, So thank you for your messages. Nick made a joke, Thank goodness, these people in Sojuna aren't working out at the local playground though. Luckily they're just fighting and dealing drugs in the street and street and not scaring little kids by getting fit. Thank you for that. Keep your text messages coming. You can give us a call as well. On eight double two to three double O. Ken Maynard is the mayor of the Sajuna District Council and he joins you, good afternoon, Ken, thanks for your time.
00:57:52
Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Stacey.
00:57:55
Speaker 2: Have you been experiencing similar issues to what Mario has?
00:58:00
Speaker 10: For sure?
00:58:00
Speaker 13: Yes, I can concur exilightly what he's saying. It's definitely not desirable. It's not new to us in Sojina. It's seasonal and for some reason, or rather this year particularly, it's seen lot going a bit longer than usual. Usually by now people have gone back to where they've come from and things settled down until next summer. I think you just mentioned on your text messenger there that a lot of the people that come into town and cause total aren't local residence. Berning means they've come in from Western Australia, the Northern Territory, the ap Wielands, etc. And they've come in for a summer and the attractions are the alcohol and drugs, and unfortunately in the recent times the drugs have overshadowed the consumption of alcohol.
00:58:46
Speaker 2: So I guess what's being done or what can be done about it? Is there anything that council can do? If you spoken to local police and seeing if they're trying to boost their services or anything there, the police.
00:59:02
Speaker 13: Are very proactive in town and maintain trying to maintain law and order. You know, they are onto the the fighting et cetera in the street. I must moreint doubt the fighting is not every day. It does occur, occurs too often, but that's the appshot of being you know, charged with ice and alcohol. It's sort of a lethal combination and most of the fighting occurs withinside the group, and that's normally family orientated. Strange enough.
00:59:31
Speaker 2: Mm yeah, Well, like you said, when there's drugs und or alcohol in your system, you do some weird things.
00:59:38
Speaker 13: Well, especially ice particularly. I think that's a real discourage. You know, it's a real curse on society. And I emphasis have empathy for any family or p sudance who was.
00:59:47
Speaker 10: Affected by that.
00:59:48
Speaker 14: To stuff, absolutely, and it's.
00:59:50
Speaker 13: So easily attainable and cheap, and people that are addicted will go to any means to get things. And I'm told that the bangful back is a far better on Iceland.
01:00:01
Speaker 10: It is alcohol.
01:00:02
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yes.
01:00:04
Speaker 13: You know what I mean. It's sort of like it's a catch twenty two Yeah, yeah, councilor as such, we haven't got any magic wonder and then the equation and believing if we had, I would have won waves it long ago. What we do is try and maintain the surrounds of a town in a neat and orderly fashion that every more into a cleanup, pick up any syringes that are left around, and there's far too many syringes left around for sure. But that's that's what we do and then undertake to do and keep the place looking very neat and tidy.
01:00:39
Speaker 2: So what are your opinions? Obviously we heard Mario's opinions on the cashless debit card. Was the situation better when that was in place.
01:00:50
Speaker 13: Yes, and to a degree. But we've got to remember, Stacy, the important thing here with the cashlest Welfare card is that like the people I just mentioned from Western Australia, the ap Wide and the Northern ter treat they were never on the cashlest weather wealthfare card. The cashlest welfare card only extended those residents of Sjuna and Yalta and by far the most troublesome caused by the people coming into town. So the cashlest welfare card saw that three years ago that demised and interesting enough, it was never legislated permanently. It was only ever on a trial basis, so before it was on trial for six years. So I have my doubts whether the government of the day realized that it came to a conclusion it wasn't doing what was meant to do antidotally yes, but as a magic cure.
01:01:36
Speaker 2: No, right, Well, thank you for your time. This afternoon and hope you're right and it starts to subside sometime soon.
01:01:46
Speaker 13: So do I the Stacy.
01:01:47
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks can appreciate it.
01:01:49
Speaker 10: Thank you.
01:01:49
Speaker 2: That's Ken Maynard, the mayor of the Sjuna District Council. Cam on the text line says, very enlightening interview from Sjuna and definitely good to have the information about your guests Liberal connections. That was Mario Nichols who we spoke to first up. Cam goes on to say, but it sounds like the cash list card was successful in a lot of ways, hoping something similar can be looked at. Again, thank you for your thoughts, Cam and everyone else who's sent a text messages, you could keep them coming. Zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five or the number to call is eight double two to three double O double OW and that's the number to use after these news headlines if you've got a question about your cats or dogs, because doctor Derek will be in the studio for Pet Talk.
01:02:34
Speaker 1: Five double A afternoons with Stacey Lee.
01:02:43
Speaker 2: It's twenty seven minutes to three here on five double A. Let's check in with Morgan Pumper at the Bureau of meteorology. Hello Morgan, Hi Stacey. I think it was this time last week I was saying, oh, winter's here, and now definitely doesn't feel like winter on the way. We've got some nice sort of autumnal weather.
01:03:04
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right. It's really quite a warm week and almost hot considering considering we're pretty much at the end of April, so very much above average and sort of summary and those warmer autumn temperatures this week, so I know it's not the hottest of summer of temperatures, they're still are made looking at high twenties across the week, but also our minimums a little bit warm as well by a couple of degrees tomorrow not so bad with fifteen or twenty eight, but might still see an extra couple of degrees from today, just as we get a little bit more of the sunshine heating things up. But otherwise with the southwesterly it's just making it feel a little bit cool. So so far today we have seen the twenty two point nine, but I am expecting it to get to twenty six over the next couple of hours.
01:03:52
Speaker 2: Okay, and then what about for the days ahead.
01:03:56
Speaker 15: Yeah, so really there's nothing significant for the weather systems coming up, they're not bringing too much of force of our southerly airflow or hanging around long enough to make it a couple of days of cold conditions. So really at the moment, seems like even though twenty six today and twenty six on Wednesday, after that, it's twenty seven to twenty eight degrees the rest of the work week and into Saturday as well, so again it's going to be quite a warm week and we're going to have quite a bit of sunshine. So good washing of the clothes weather this week, further conditions.
01:04:28
Speaker 2: All right, sounds good, Morgan, I will get all the washing done. Thank you for the heads up, No worries see you. That's Morgan Pumper at the Bureau of Meteorology, who.
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Speaker 9: Do thou.
01:04:44
Speaker 11: Time to talk all things pets with Doctor Derek.
01:04:54
Speaker 2: Doctor Derek McNair from the Parade nor would Vetiny Clinic joins me in the studio this afternoon, doctor Derek.
01:05:01
Speaker 9: Good afternoon, Stacy.
01:05:02
Speaker 2: It sounds like some good walk weather for our dogs coming up to.
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Speaker 9: Very nice weather.
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Speaker 5: This is really nice weather, doesn't it It is. I don't know when it's not too hot, it's just just just perfect good. And there's all these little, nice little dogs, you know, you drive along, look at that this little dog. You see all the nice little dogs on the streets. You think, oh, I could take that one home. We're not allowed to.
01:05:29
Speaker 2: Murray's just been to the groom, so he looks extra beautiful at the moment. And we got stopped by. Usually we get stopped with people looking at Molly in the pram and talking to Molly, and they know she loves her cooker Burroughs, so they ask her if she's seen any cooker Borroughs today. But I got stopped in the park by an older man the other day and he said, your dog, she's beautiful. What's her name? And I said, well, his name's Murray. But he does look very pretty, I'll give you that. So he was more interested in the dog than the baby, which was nice.
01:05:58
Speaker 5: That's so it's fine.
01:06:03
Speaker 9: So that's good.
01:06:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely eight double two three, double O double oh is the number to call if you've got a question for doctor Derek. And Heather is in Salisbury Park.
01:06:12
Speaker 16: Hi, Heather, Oh, good afternoon. How are you folks?
01:06:15
Speaker 9: Good? Thanks you very well, thank you.
01:06:17
Speaker 16: It's good doctor Derek. My daughter has a kvoodle who actually she's got two of them, a kvoodle that likes to eat carpet and the carpet mats and also the rubber mats. She also licks the lounge, the material lounge.
01:06:37
Speaker 12: Yes, it's a habit.
01:06:39
Speaker 16: She's got also any ideas on that, please.
01:06:43
Speaker 5: Yes, it's I mean some does does our dog get enough exercise?
01:06:56
Speaker 17: Oh?
01:06:56
Speaker 16: Probably not?
01:06:58
Speaker 5: Because it can be It can be a few things.
01:07:01
Speaker 9: It can It can be.
01:07:03
Speaker 5: Boredom is a common cause of dogs licking things. Anxiety is another common cause of dogs licking things. Is she an anxious dog?
01:07:14
Speaker 9: Do you know?
01:07:15
Speaker 16: Oh? Well, I'm not sure because they don't live with me. She's got two of them, right, Yeah, I'm not sure about that.
01:07:30
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Okay, that's all right.
01:07:31
Speaker 9: I mean there's two ways to go.
01:07:33
Speaker 5: One is if she can sort of increase the exercise and see if that on its own might be enough if she makes a dog more tired, if you like, and unless sort of wanting to have all this energy it has to burn. The other thing, which is it depends what area the dog is licking. But there's various products which you can spray, and some of them are quite okay, to spray furniture that don't taste very nice. So if it's actually says it's a carpet matte rather than the carpet.
01:08:10
Speaker 9: Okay, okay. See, you can get the stuff.
01:08:14
Speaker 5: We use at the clinic called wound Guard, which we used to spray on wounds because it's an antiseptic as well. But there's also something you can get called stop crib or is it crib stop. It's one of the other it's other crib stopper. Stop crib they can get from pet shops, which initially was used on horses to stop horses when they were being bored actually eating their stable their stable doors. But now they've made it for dogs as well, and you can spray it and it doesn't taste very nice at all.
01:08:44
Speaker 9: It's used a lot of people use it.
01:08:46
Speaker 5: If dogs chew up the sprinkler systems, then you can actually spray it on the sprinkler system because it usually tastes very bad. So that's something just to to try and break the habit.
01:08:57
Speaker 16: But yeah, sometimes got a sister, you know, like another kavood their sisters, yes, And I mean they run around and I choice each other and I tumble and in their street for a couple of hours. Yes, that's probably all the exercise she does get.
01:09:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, maybe a little bit of exercise and then getting something that doesn't taste very nice and see how that goes. They all stand by for me. I mean, some vets do not like giving dogs bones. I like giving dogs bones. But when you've got two dogs, if they kavoodles, they're probably really nice temperaments. If you get two dogs, you have to be careful with bones because that's the biggest cause of dogs fighting. But if your daughter can give them bones, then raw bones too big to fit in the mouth so they can't choke, and that stimulates them. It gives them something to do, but it's also good for their brain as well. Actually tires them out. Eating eating bones tires them out, as does walking. That tires them out as well.
01:09:56
Speaker 16: Okay, thank you very very much.
01:09:58
Speaker 9: Good luck.
01:09:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, thank you.
01:10:05
Speaker 9: Saved.
01:10:05
Speaker 5: I guess it was being licked to, not chewed, So that's that's something.
01:10:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, and dogs do eight strange things. And she was talking about eating carpet. Murray's got a lot of soft toys and he'll always end up, you know, biting the ear off the soft toy or something, and then the fluff starts to come out, and we think, all right, you're going.
01:10:22
Speaker 9: In the bin there exactly exactly.
01:10:25
Speaker 5: I mean you do want toys that are made for dogs, but even some of those, they don't last forever. Yeah, ears coming off and the stuff and coming out. So as soon as that happens, yes, into the bin, because we do, fortunately not frequently, but we certainly have removed toys and bits of toys from dogs and testines because they've swallowed them and they don't pass.
01:10:47
Speaker 9: Through very easily.
01:10:48
Speaker 14: Oh no, yeah, okay, not recommend so watch out for that, all right. If you've got a question for doctor Derek, eight double two three, double out, Double out is the number to call, or you can send it through on the text line zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five.
01:11:04
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about a new campaign by the state government, Doctor Derek. Good dogs can bite something like any dog can bite. It's called Good Dogs Bad Days.
01:11:16
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, good dog's bad days. Good dogs can have bad days.
01:11:20
Speaker 9: Yes.
01:11:20
Speaker 5: It's by the Dog and Cat Management Board and it's.
01:11:25
Speaker 9: It's very cute.
01:11:26
Speaker 5: It's cute for adults, it's keut for children, because it's all sort of if you look at the website, they've got all these little cartoons and interesting cartoons just giving good, sensible information. I mean, what I didn't realize, which is frightening, is that last year over five hundred people went to hospital with dog bites just in South Australia, not in Australia and South Australia, over five hundred. And that's just the people who ended up in hospital. So I'm sure a lot of people who get bitten by dogs who thought, oh, I don't need to go to hospital, I'll just treat it myself or stay at home or whatever.
01:12:06
Speaker 9: So it's a common thing.
01:12:08
Speaker 5: So if you look on the website, if just if you type in good dogs, bad days, it'll come up with all this sort of information and it's it's sort of common sense, like most things are. But it helps you try and read dogs' signs that they're giving. So if their tails not wagging or not wagging much, if their ears are back, if they're sort of looking away from you and sort of moving away from you, then they don't want you to approach. So then don't approach, you know, then you walk away. And if the dog wants to. Then giving them time, they might come towards you or else you just say forget it so and it gives you all the again. Common sense information, never leave children alone with dogs. Children should always ask, or everyone shoul you'd ask, Not just children, everyone should ask if someone's got a dog, is it okay if I approach your dog and patch your dog? A lot of dogs don't like being patted on the top of the head. So if you come up to a dog, have your hand low down and have the back of your hand and let the dog sniff your hand and then either sort of tickle them under the chin or put your hand around the side and sort of pat them at the side.
01:13:24
Speaker 9: But when you come up and pat a.
01:13:26
Speaker 5: Dog on the top of the head, then they might be frightened and they might think you're going to hit them or something like that. So doing that, there's a greater chance that you're going to be bitten. But you just need to work out listen to the signals. They can't tell you I'm frightened, I'm anxious, But if you know the signals, they do tell you I'm frightened, I'm anxious, And so that's when you want to be careful and not let them tell you when it's time to engage.
01:13:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is hard, I know, because Mary's a bit of a He can be a bit of an anxious dog and he gets nervous us, particularly around kids, because you know, kids don't know either. We were spent Easter with some family and they had young kids, and the kids just see a little fluffy dog and they want to rub up and pat him and touch him and rub him and pull his hair, and he gets quite anxious. And I was like, oh, no, leave him alone. And you just don't know. He's a little kaboodle, but you don't know how he'll respond.
01:14:23
Speaker 9: No, no, and you don't know.
01:14:24
Speaker 5: And sort of fortunately dogs, because we hear a lot of stories that young children all go up and pulled dog's ears and pulled dog's tails and they don't get bitten, whereas I think if you and I did it, they think you're an adult, you should know better, and so we would probably get bitten. But he still shouldn't let it happen. And you should always have the dogs and children of supervision. And if your dog looks anxious, keep them apart. Put your dog in a room, put the children in a room, whichever's easier for you, and just keep them apart because you don't want anything bad to happen. Yeah, and it's so all the things. You go back to the beginning. When you get a dog, do your homework to choose the right dog. And then when it's a puppy, take it to puppy school, take it to Bedan's classes, get it socialized when it's young, so it's used to different people, different noises, different picture of voices, different people bouncing around, and so you've got a better chance that dog will not get spooked or not get too anxious when it happens again, and hopefully you won't snap or bite.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. So in Christie's Beach says, yes, I'm sixty six and was taught never pat a dog you don't know on the head. Yes, yeah, that's a really good take, and.
01:15:39
Speaker 5: It's what it's almost what everyone does.
01:15:41
Speaker 2: Because you see you say a dog and your hello, you.
01:15:44
Speaker 5: Sort of want to pat it. Yeah, yeah, you need to resist the temptation. And once once you broke in the barrier, once you become really good friends, then careful patting is usually allowed, but start off sort of under the chin at the front and as I say, yeah, back of your hand goes slowly and pick up the signals of the dog. Let them tell you that they're happy for you to approach.
01:16:08
Speaker 2: Yep, some excellent tips there. Thank you as always. Let's take some more calls now eight double two three, double o, double O. Tory is in Wayala and has called in Hi Tory.
01:16:19
Speaker 13: Hi, Stacy Lee, Doctor Derek.
01:16:21
Speaker 6: How are you?
01:16:22
Speaker 5: I am very well, thank you, excellent glad to hear.
01:16:27
Speaker 9: How can I help you? Tory?
01:16:29
Speaker 18: Yeah, I've got an almost fourteen year old shitsu chiuahua cross. Here's a gorgeous little puppy. Yes, but he's lately, probably the last three to four months. Every time he's a good drinker, but every time he has a drink now he seems to.
01:16:46
Speaker 13: Cough it up.
01:16:47
Speaker 18: Okay, yeah, keeps choking and bringing up a mouthful of water.
01:16:53
Speaker 5: Is he is he swallowing it and vomiting it up?
01:16:57
Speaker 9: Or is he just sort of.
01:16:59
Speaker 18: Nice a lot except the last mile will come out and he'll come away from his ball coughing and choking and then just you know, up a little bit.
01:17:09
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, if if he's if he's coughing, then I would want how long.
01:17:18
Speaker 9: Is it going on?
01:17:19
Speaker 18: For this has been probably the last three or four.
01:17:22
Speaker 5: Males, Okay, And he's quite happy in himself. And he doesn't he doesn't. He doesn't cough at different times.
01:17:29
Speaker 18: No, no, only when he's said that drink of water.
01:17:33
Speaker 5: Okay, it may be I'm not one hundred percent sure, Tory, but when they cough when they drink, there's there's a little lid. There's a dust beIN lid at the back of the throat called the epic lottus, And what it does is is the lid that goes over your windpipe when you're swallowing, and to make sure when you swallow, all the food and all the water goes into your stomach and none of it goes to your lungs. If drinking water is stimulating a cough, then I'm wondering if there's a tiny bit of a defect on his epiglottis and just a drop of water is maybe getting into the top of his windpipe and that's causing a cough. The difficulty with that, if it is that is one you need to anesthetize them to find out if that is the problem, because you can't see the epiglottus unless they're anesthetized. And two if it is that, what do you do about it? So I would try, maybe try just lifting his water bowl up a little bit, because you sometimes find when you alter the angle of the neck that the water takes a slightly different path down the back of the throat. So yes, that is what I would do if it gets really bad. The other thing I would try is his topture vet and maybe trial some anti inflammatories in case there's some inflammation at the back of the throat that's that's putting the epic lotters out of shape, and see if that works. But I would try just lifting his water bowl a little bit. I mean, you could maybe also restrict the amount of water you give him each sitting and and see if that works as well. So I'd probably try that first because water usually if water goes into the stomach, it doesn't usually cause an upset. But with the coughing then it sounds like it's getting the back of the throat. So maybe you just outer the water bowl put a little bit higher and see how you go with that.
01:19:45
Speaker 2: Good luck to good luck, Thanks for the bye bye double two three, double O, double A is the number to call if you've got a question, and we'll take some more in just a moment.
01:19:58
Speaker 11: Five double A off News with Stacy Lee.
01:20:05
Speaker 2: At seven minutes to three. Here on five double A we're in the middle of pet talk with doctor Derek McNair, so he's taking your calls on eight double two three, double O, double O with questions about cats or dogs. We have allowed an exception this afternoon because Jeff in Newton's called in. Jeff, you'd like to ask a question about rabbits.
01:20:25
Speaker 7: Yes, I do.
01:20:26
Speaker 8: Actually, I have a thank you for doing this, Derek, learning to you as well.
01:20:31
Speaker 5: Look, Jeff, I don't know you, but you obviously don't like me.
01:20:36
Speaker 8: I do. Actually, good, thank you. I've been across to your premises on the parade several times in the past years when we needed a injection for the rabbit.
01:20:50
Speaker 5: Okay, the good the vaccination.
01:20:54
Speaker 8: Vaccination, that's it. That's not the same.
01:20:56
Speaker 9: Rabbit, Jery, good, thank you for that.
01:21:01
Speaker 8: Yes, the rabbit is free range, meaning she's not in a hatch all.
01:21:06
Speaker 10: Day or night.
01:21:07
Speaker 9: Yes, likes to dig up the lawn.
01:21:11
Speaker 8: Then she gets into the dirt and spreads it everywhere.
01:21:14
Speaker 19: Yes, and then she has a bit of a roll around in it, and then has a lounge in on top of the dirt in the sunshine. Yes, and I was taking if I got one of these children's sandpit.
01:21:30
Speaker 8: Things. They're normally hard plastic and blue, and you put a bit of water in the bottom so they can splash around in it.
01:21:37
Speaker 19: Yes, if I had one of them, what sort of plane dirt would I put in there for her to stretch around him?
01:21:44
Speaker 8: Do you have any ideas, please, Derrek?
01:21:46
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, you can.
01:21:47
Speaker 5: Just put in normal I mean rabbits like digging, so you can actually just put in normal soil. You can buy bags of soil from the local hardware store, but also rabbits like digging in sand as well. You can put you can put in a mixture of children's sand and soil. The only problem with with with sand I remember years ago, was probably the last rabbit saw it did have an eye irritation and it looked like a little bits of sand in its eye. So that's probably the downside. But I don't think that's very common because a lot of people I know let their rabbits dig just in sand, So yeah, you could, you know, you could do a bit of an experiment. You could put a bit of sand on one side and a bit of soil in the other and just see which wonder.
01:22:36
Speaker 8: So it's possible.
01:22:37
Speaker 19: I can get a bag from a garden center, yes, flying ordinary everyday garden soil without all the other booms of minerals.
01:22:45
Speaker 9: Yes, yes you can.
01:22:47
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it sounds good.
01:22:48
Speaker 5: Yep, you can get straight soil. And then it's a good idea because it sort of saves the rest of your garden. I mean, the the other thing I have recommended is you just fence off a small eera of the garden school. Well you know, there, you go go for gold bugs or whatever its name is. Ye, yeah, go for your life and destroy that little bit of garden and then I'll groom my vegetables and the other bit. So but yes, definitely try one of those sort of clam shells that they're very good.
01:23:16
Speaker 8: I was looking for I couldn't think of.
01:23:18
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they're very good.
01:23:22
Speaker 8: Rabbit's name is Cinnamon.
01:23:24
Speaker 9: Actually it's very cute. That's very nice.
01:23:27
Speaker 8: Love that based on her colorings. It's white and soft tan.
01:23:33
Speaker 5: Beautiful, thet they meet, lovely pets. Yeah, actually I do know a little bit about rabbits. I pretend I don't, but yeah, yeah, rabbits, all.
01:23:43
Speaker 6: Right, I do like rabbits that much.
01:23:45
Speaker 8: And have a good afternoon and enjoying the rest of your weak you two, Thank you.
01:23:49
Speaker 2: Jeff, Thanks Jeff, have a good one. Say you Let's go to Morphet Vale now. And Chris is on the phone high.
01:23:55
Speaker 12: Chris, Yeah, I've got an unusual one. We inherited a beautiful four year old Golden Retriever female, Yes, from a family who just couldn't take her with her, so we sort of adopted her. She's fine, she's she's now got the new family. She loves that. But she has this one unusual habit that we've never seen a dog do before. She stalks her bowl of water.
01:24:22
Speaker 3: What do you mean she.
01:24:23
Speaker 12: She she just moves at it in slow motion and you think she's seen something on the floor, like a you know, an insect or something she's stalking, but it's not. It's a water bowl every time, and then she has a drink and she's happy and she's normally. We can't explain her.
01:24:38
Speaker 5: Have you tried the obvious question is have you tried tried her with different water balls?
01:24:45
Speaker 12: Well, she's had the same one the whole time. It actually came with us, so we thought we'd keep it because she's familiar with it. Yes, so she's had her for quite some time.
01:24:55
Speaker 5: Do you do you feed her in a ball as well? Or do you feed her just in the garden?
01:25:02
Speaker 12: Yes, now she said in a ball?
01:25:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, you could. You could do an experiment. I'm not I'm not quite sure what she's doing, Chris, But obviously she's not in any danger, so that's lucky.
01:25:15
Speaker 9: But you can do an experiment.
01:25:16
Speaker 5: And put the food in the same bowl and see if it's the food, see if as the bowl that she's stalking, or if it's what is if it's what is inside. Because I'm not quite sure why she's doing it. Somebody listening might have an idea of if they've had it happen before as well. But I mean most dogs just go up to the water bowl and say I'm thirsty, all a drink.
01:25:40
Speaker 2: So there are some pretty cheap dog balls. If you want to get a new one and try that, I think IMA's got them for five bucks or something.
01:25:48
Speaker 5: Try new, just to try something different and see funny, or even put it in a different different part of the part of the house and see if it makes any difference.
01:25:56
Speaker 9: So yeah, I can't help you.
01:26:01
Speaker 2: Please send us a video, Chris, I'd love to see it.
01:26:05
Speaker 12: Definitely, make sure we get one for you.
01:26:06
Speaker 9: Thank you.
01:26:07
Speaker 5: That sounds very cute actually, but yeah, is it the water she's stalking or is it the ball she's stalking?
01:26:15
Speaker 14: Yeah?
01:26:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know if it does change when what worked?
01:26:22
Speaker 4: Well?
01:26:23
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks Chris.
01:26:25
Speaker 2: See you. That's Chris in Morphot Vale and we have a photo of I believe your dog Freddy on the text line listening in.
01:26:34
Speaker 5: She's listening, long time listener, never called.
01:26:40
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the day.
01:26:41
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, we'll see one day she'll call in.
01:26:44
Speaker 2: In a very cute pink little jacket.
01:26:46
Speaker 5: Yes, she's got a little bit of a wardrobe, but ever expanded.
01:26:51
Speaker 2: I know that feeling.
01:26:52
Speaker 9: That's good.
01:26:53
Speaker 2: I had to move Murray's wardrobe out of the bedroom when we had Molly because she needs her wardrobe now. So he's got to find his spot for his book.
01:27:00
Speaker 9: Get another word.
01:27:02
Speaker 5: But it's interesting, isn't it when you I mean, I've been a vet for a few years and you still get things that you think, Oh, I'm not quite sure why they do that. There's so much about animals that we still haven't worked out.
01:27:17
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:27:18
Speaker 2: Well, Matt on the text line says he thinks maybe she's seeing her reflection in the water.
01:27:23
Speaker 9: Maybe could be.
01:27:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean she'd have to get right above it to see a reflection, but yeah, it's certainly possible.
01:27:31
Speaker 9: Yeah.
01:27:32
Speaker 5: I mean some dogs, yes, do act funny with beside windows when they see the reflection in a windows. So yeah, it could be. If we see the video, we'll get an idea.
01:27:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's a good suggestion. Thank you for coming in, doctor Derek. My pleasure always great to have you here.
01:27:48
Speaker 9: Thank you.
01:27:49
Speaker 2: That's doctor Derek McNair from the Parade nor With Veterinary Clinic, and he'll be back here next week at two point thirty. If you didn't get a chance to call in today, you can try again next week. After the three o'clock news, we are heading to Victoria where the AFL Tribunal will be taking place again. Will the Zach Butter's appeal be successful this evening? Can it be overturned? You'll find out.
01:28:12
Speaker 1: Five Double A Afternoons with Stacy Lee.
01:28:20
Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you, and welcome to the third and final hour of the Afternoon's program. I'm Stacy with you through until four o'clock and we are now live on the Facebook and YouTube live stream, So jump on there and say hello. After three point thirty, I'm taking your calls for Afternoon Delight. Give us some good news, some happy news to start our week off, because I know sometimes when you read the news, when you listen to the news, it can be a little bit negative, and especially at the moment with what's happening globally, it can get you down a little bit. So we like to buck that trend here on the Afternoons program and share some happy news to Bright Nowaday and start our week off on a positive note. So if something happened to you, maybe you caught up with an old friend or family member, and maybe you received some good news on the weekend, share it with us after three point thirty on eight double two to three double oh. And in return, I have a fifty dollar Quincy's Confectionery gift voucher to give to you. I don't know one person that wouldn't smile at receiving some chocolate, So I've got a chocolate voucher for you. It's not just chocolate. They've got lots of other great things at Quincy's Confectionery. You can spend fifty bucks there on us. So we'll take your calls on that in just a moment. But first up today, Zach Butter's will return to the AFL tribunal in not too long, it's not too far away. Port Power is appealing the guilty verdict for umpire abuse. This was against umpire Nick foot on the final day of gather Around. I can't believe it's still dragging on. Lots of other people feel that way as well. John Ralph is with the Herald's Son and Fox Footy and he joined you this afternoon. Hi John, thanks for your time.
01:30:03
Speaker 20: Stacey. I've got some break news. I am absolutely no chance to win that fifty dollars out check because there's not a lot of art balloons alight right at the moment in our in our Herald Son offices, I'm running about Elijah Hollands, I'm running about tribunal cases. But that's okay, all about your cells, unfortunately, Stacey.
01:30:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like it's all still quite doom and gloom in the AFL, and we just keep talking about these stories and I will ask you about Elijah Hollands in a moment. But yeah, we've been talking about this tribunal for too long. It feels John, when is it all happening tonight? And is this is this?
01:30:37
Speaker 1: It?
01:30:37
Speaker 2: Is this the final option for appeal and it'll all be wrapped up?
01:30:40
Speaker 20: Yes, unless the port Adelais club wants to go to the High Court, which is not going to happen. Yeah, you know what this is also bizargument. It's for a fifteen hundred dollars dollar a fine for abusive and obs seen language from Zach Batters to Nick for But it's also about principle. You know what prices your integrity? You know, any price. So that's why Port ad Lady is very happy to try and well go all ends of the earth for Zach Butters. And so I do you think that most of these appeals can just be you know, throw at the stumps to hail Mary. But it feels like they have multiple grounds effectively, most of these appalls appeals is in a court of law. It needs to be an error of law or it needs to be something that no reasonable tribunal could have come to this decision. And so I think what the Port Adelaide will do will be an appeal on multiple fronts. Yes, that this is an unreasonable decision by the tribunal, but I think the lawso talk about errors in law. The Port Adelaide chief executive Matthew Richardson's talked about a compromise investigation, so you know, there was a lot of confusion about you know, that the actual evidence that was given and whether there were two statements that were made by Zach Butters. It didn't feel like that that the state that that that evidence married up really well. You know, there were two umpiring whistles that really confused not only Zach but also Oli Wines, who also gave testimony. And then the compromised nature of the appeal, where you know, the panel that that heard the jury was forced into a quick decision by five point forty five because they had to hit a deadline for a couple of those panel members. You know, surely in any appeal or any jurisdiction, you should have as much time as you need. And then you talk about Jason Johnson, one of those appeal panelists who had to go to a house inspection. He was a real estate agent, so he was not able to hear all the testimony then a lot of specifics that I think we would all agree Port Adelaide has really good grounds. On whether that will overturn the fifth and one hundred dollar fine, I'm not sure, but I think the point of the exercise is to support their man to the hilt.
01:32:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and fair enough, and I'm glad they're doing so. I'm a Port supporter. I'll put that on the record now, John, But so you know it's I'm glad that they're supporting him. And even though it is only a fifteen hundred dollar fine, most people would say, I'll just just pay it and get over it. But it is about the principle here and all of those suspected issues that you've outlined. I mean that the tribunal panel member being in the car for some of the hearing and testimonial you think, do you say that the AFL treat it like a court of law. Well, if it's going to be treated like a court of law, treat it properly then, And you know, I know they're volunteers and I've got some sympathy for him, and that the timing of the hearing was moved and he did have to get to an appointment, and he was volunteering his time. I understand that, but if they want it to be treated seriously, then they've got to treat it seriously. The AFL, I mean.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, And as port ad Lader said, it just seems to be unnecessarily legal and adversarial. It seems we're not only the Lance Collard decision, the young security player who was banned for nine weeks, but also Zach. It feels like there are unnecessarily winners and losers winning both of those cases. If you look at the evidence. She would have said, look, it does feel like you could almost declare an open finding and say the AFL could have said, we support their umpire and we support the fremount of the Frankston players who are involved in an incident with Lance Collard. But so maybe port Adelaide will take one for the team. Maybe if even if they you know, they lose the battle here in terms of that fine, they might win the war. I think all of us would feel that port adelaida a waging a battle that he's worth fighting for. So it may well be that we, you know, we have a step in coming years that has more mediation. I think or Adelaide would have been happy for it to go to mediation. I think the umpire was not happy. Certainly, the RFL's new football boss in Greek Swan would have been keen to get both parties into a room. So hey, guys, there are times where we just mishear things. I think Nick Foot's version was that, you know, he had not been supported in previous years over a similar incident involving in an Essenon game, and so you can understand why he wanted to have this here heard in open court. I always feel the ourshel covers stuff up, you know, puts tribunals behind closed doors, colors comes up with lots of deals on the run. So I'm always happy to have these cases heard publicly. But you know, if there are times like this where it does feel like both parties are giving really strong and honest testimony, does there have to be a loser? That's port Adelaide's point, and maybe we might we might get a change in the system, or at least a change where in cases like this where there's no great outcome, yeah, we can declare an open f rather than have someone lose so significantly and have their reputation for smirched, which is I think what what Zach mutters Fields has happened here?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely sounds reasonable to me. We'll see what comes out of tonight.
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Speaker 9: Though.
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Speaker 2: Is the AFL looking at or reconsidering its decision to allow an umpire to also work for sports Bet now we know he works in racing. It is a racing podcast that's got nothing to do with the AFL and not suggesting anything untowards has or would happen. But a lot of the questions raised around this are surrounding his the integrity and the AFL is all about integrity, and to me this screams lack of integrity. If you're going to allow an umpire to also work for a betting agency.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think their view is that they will continue to allow him to work for sports Bet and for the Get On Show, which I think he's nominal on Saturday mornings. But as you know, with the AFL, there's no way in which they would for him very quickly after the event to to move on from that process. Now, the question you and I might ask is at the end of the year, they would say, and if you think this is worth the pain for you, do you think this is worth the public perception out there of you obviously, you know working in betting and working in racing betting, not AFL betting, of course, and maybe at that stage he might decide to look it's something that he doesn't want to do. Paid up to a two of thousand dollars if they unpire Grand finals, which is what Nick has done in twenty twenty four. And so you know, I think we would all want them to have careers. But I haven't got any doubt about Nick Foot's integrity. But you know, not only need to be seen to be squeaked, so you need to be squeaky claiming, you need to be seen to as well. So yeah, that's the decision he's probably going to have to make for himself. And you know, whether there's a way in which he can be involved in betting or you know, horse racing in another way where he's not presenting and providing tips, that's the great challenge for him. So there's a lot of conflict of interest in football. It's just how you handle them and how people view them. So it's a big decision at the end of the year for Nick Foot.
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Speaker 2: Okay, unfortunate that we've got to wait till then, But oh well, I guess that's the way it works.
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Speaker 14: Now.
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Speaker 2: Before I let you go, John, I did want to ask you for the latest on the Elijah Hollands case. It seems like we might not actually get any answers out of the AFL or the club. You know, whether or not he was drug or alcohol tested, and if he was, would we get any of those results. Is this just going to be a look, we're supporting him, he's had mental health issues in the past and everyone just needs to move on and forget about it. Or will there be some sort of resolution and more information to come.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think we're much more likely to get transparency from Carlton about the chain of events themselves. And so you know how many touch points were there, how many times did he speak to the club doctor, how many times did he speak to the psychiatrist, And you know Carlton's view on that about whether he should have returned to the field. We can all have our opinions on that. Yeah, Carton through that chief executive has already denied the drug staff and they've already denied the alcohol stuff. Even though Brandon Maynard the Collingwood player Sai, Yeah, players were talking about it. Colorwood players were sort of aware something there. So yeah, I think Carlton won't confirm to us, you know, whether he was drug tested, and I'm sure they won't confirm whether it was positive or negative. Yeah, I'll continue to report on that and we might have an update and the held some website you know, in coming outs in regards to that. But that will always be a level of frustration there that those drug tests and the drug policies behind closed doors and now at I would say that's for the mental health of players, So that's going to be a frustration. But all I can say is that I think from Elijah's point of view, he continues to say to Colin, to Carlton, yeah, my erratic behavior was not caused by alcohol and drugs, and yeah, we certainly don't have anything to the contrary that would prove that right now.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well, we'll keep our eye on the heralds On website for the update John.
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Speaker 20: Thanks again, Stacy. Yeah, I did eat my human wading chocolate from the the Adelaide Oval press box with the amazing supplies there across gathering. So if I misseda voucher. It will go to someone much more worthy and and maybe someone a little bit slimmer than themself.
01:39:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, you're not eligible for the voucher unfortunately, but I'm glad you got your fair share of chocky while you're here, because we do do it very well.
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Speaker 20: No, thanks for you great to talk.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you too, thanks for that. It's John Ralph from Harold Son and Fox Footy eight double two three, double oh is the number to have your say on either of those matters. Peter on the text line, Bet the AFL won't back down. They'll continue to back their umpire right or wrong. And Andrew good luck with the appeal. Adelaide had to wear five umpiring mistakes in the past four seasons that directly affected close losses, where the AFL later conceded the error and acknowledged it disadvantaged Adelaide, but nothing has changed. Lenn says, making excuses under the guise of mental health for substance abusers isn't doing the many favors. These people need help, not excuses. Thank you, Len. Well, Yeah, I think it's probably a bit harsh to call Elijah Hollins a substance abuser when we don't know that that is definitely the case. But I take your point. Mental health being used as a sort of overall guys when there are clearly issues at play for a player does get frustrating for a lot of people, and I think it particularly gets frustrated frustrating for people who do suffer from mental health issues, whatever they might be, because it just seems to be used as a cop out, not just by the AFL, but by a lot of people. The AFL does use it a lot, particularly, but it does seem to be a cop out that some people use to say nothing to see here, mental health, don't ask any more questions, there's nothing more to add, when really we all know that that shouldn't be the case, and mental health issues shouldn't become a flippant excuse. They should be taken seriously and treated. So hey, my thoughts, I'd love to hear yours though. Eight double two to three, double O double OW is the number to call.
01:40:51
Speaker 11: Five double A. Afternoons with Stacy Lee.
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Speaker 2: It's almost time for the three thirty news headlines, and after that it's Afternoon Delight, where you share your good news, your happy news stories. But before that in the news at three o'clock you heard with mel Usher. She was telling you a story about Katie Perry at the Trevy Fountain in Rome. She went to the Trevy Fountain and as is tradition, I'm sure anyone who's visited the Trevy Fountain has done this. You stand there and you throw a coin into the fountain. I thought it was make a wish, but apparently there's a meaning behind it. Katy Perry, though has not thrown a coin, she has thrown her credit card into the fountain. So I just think this is the most bizarre story. And if I was there, I would definitely have considered jumping into the fountain to get Katy Perry's credit card. If there's ever a credit card you want, it's a Katy Perry one. But I've looked it up. So apparently, if you stand at the Trevy Fountain, you're meant to throw using your right hand over your left shoulder. One coin means you'll return to Rome in the future. If you throw two coins, it means you'll meet the love of your life. If you throw three coins, it means you will get married. So I'm asking you today on a double two to three double o double o. What does it mean to throw your credit card? If one coin means you'll return to Rome, two coins means you'll meet the love of your life, three coins means you'll get married. What is the credit card? Is it that you'll find petrol for a dollar fifty again in the near future. What's your penultimate wish that you could hope for by throwing a credit card into the Trevy fountain? Is it that you will Maybe it is that you'll meet the love of your life in Italy. Maybe you'd like to marry a native, a local Italian? Ah, what is your penultimate what would you like to see by throwing your credit card into the Trevy fountain? That you would be able to live in Italy for a year, That you'd be able to watch an AFL game without a wrong call by an umpire, that you'd be able to play on the North Adelaide golf course before it's been redeveloped. And then after what is your penultimate wish by throwing a credit card into the trevi Fountain? And I'm wondering what Katie Perry's wish is. Why did she throw her credit card eight double two to three double double o is the number of call and after these news headlines, it's our afternoon Delight where you share some happy news, some good news to bright Nowaday, and in return, the best caller will receive a fifty dollar voucher for Quinsy's Confectionery. They do chocolate. They do the best sugar almonds you've ever tasted. And I'm not talking about the old school sugar almonds that you get at weddings that almost break your teeth when you bite them. These are beautiful flavors, chocolate coated limoncello sugar almonds. They've got such a huge at Quincy's Confectionery, and I could be giving you fifty dollars to spend there. You just need to call in on eight double two three double o double oh and share some good news with us after these news headlines.
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Speaker 1: Five double A Afternoons with Stacy Lee.
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you live on the Facebook and YouTube live stream. Jump on there to say hi. Getting some very funny text messages from you on zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. I'm asking what do you think Katy Perry was wishing for when she threw her credit card into the Trevy Fountain in Rome. Rob in Clearview says Katie may have just wanted to get married, but she's putting it on f poss I like that one. Rob very good. Kay says Katie was probably just getting rid of an old expired card from her purse. Well, yeah, I'd hope it was old and expired. Kay, you wouldn't want to be Katy Perry and be throwing that in there. I'd be there with my phone zooming in seeing if I can see the credit card number. Surely she wouldn't be that silly. I don't know, though. Throwing your credit card into a fountain is pretty silly. Brett, get a stacy. If you throw your credit card into a fountain, it means you're a multi millionaire pop star princess. Yep, it sure does. And kneel from Claire. If I threw my credit card into a fountain, it's a hum I would hope for an endless supply of money and I can retire now. Yeah, thanks Claire. Mike. Throwing your credit card in a wishing well is a humorous take on the concept of wishing for wealth. Okay, there you go. Maybe she was wishing for wealth as we all would. And does Katie Perry need to wish for wealth? Surely she's got enough If she's throwing a credit card away, I reckon she's got enough of it. Eight double two to three double O double OW is the number to call keep your suggestions coming. What was Katie Perry wishing for when she threw her credit card into the trevy fountain? You can use that number as well to call in with your afternoon delights.
01:46:10
Speaker 9: Star Rackets in Flight.
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Speaker 11: Delight, Staceysy's Afternoon Delight after.
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Speaker 2: A fifty dollars Quinsy's Confectionery voucher up for grabs for the best afternoon delight, call this afternoon, share some happy news with us, some good news. We like to start the week off on a positive note. Sometimes the news can be a little bit down, a little bit negative, so we like to buck that trend and make each other smile here on the Afternoon's program. And Anna in Campbelltown was the first to call in. Hi, Anna, Hi, how are you good? Thanks?
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Speaker 3: How are you excellent?
01:46:49
Speaker 21: Excellent?
01:46:50
Speaker 2: What's your afternoon delight today?
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Speaker 21: My afternoon delight is that I have my daughter and her partner they've been together for three years and he did it. He actually proposed to my daughter recently, so that's exciting news for both of them. So Joseph and Adriana, they're a beautiful, beautiful couple. And yeah, so we're sitting down looking at wedding plans at the moment, and actually last night we were talking about the party favors, the woman aries. Oh think of Quincy's confectories for the sugar almonds and what have you. So yeah, so it's pretty exciting.
01:47:23
Speaker 2: Oh that's so exciting. Congratulations to you Anna and to both of them. It's such an exciting time, so much love around. When you get engaged, you.
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Speaker 21: Got to love it. And I think it's nice to have some good news amongst all all the other stuff that's gone on in the world at the moment. So yeah, exciting times for both of.
01:47:39
Speaker 2: Them, absolutely, and something exciting on the horizon to plan and look forward to.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to be good.
01:47:47
Speaker 2: Oh good. And yes, definitely you should go if you go to Quincy's, they're in Stepney and you can try their items when you're there, So definitely tell Joseph and Adriana to go and have a little taste test and try because I've got a When I tried them, at first I thought, oh, just another sugar dilmond, But they're not.
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Speaker 21: They're amazing chocolate coated ones. Oh perfect, beautiful?
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Speaker 2: Are they justful? Oh? Thank you Anna, and congratulations again to all of you. So exciting right, thanksfull see you, bye bye bye. Just made me smile. That is exciting when someone gets engaged. Like I said, it's such a such a happy time. There's so much love around you. You feel, you feel the love for each other, you feel the love from everyone around you. And then the wedding planning comes. Not the wedding is an exciting day. The planning and the lead up maybe not so much. No, I'm sure they'll have a great day. Mary in Flagstaff Hill has called in.
01:48:44
Speaker 3: Hi, Mary, good afternoon.
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Speaker 17: I had wonderful message today. Of course, I've got the best ones in the universe.
01:48:54
Speaker 9: I have.
01:48:55
Speaker 17: I have Mackenzie's twenty and he sent me a message much if I came to lunch on on Thursday and brought Catherine my new girlfriend.
01:49:05
Speaker 2: Oh how nice. So have you caught up with them or is that still coming up?
01:49:12
Speaker 20: Yes?
01:49:13
Speaker 17: No, I have met her. Oh she's the most delightful young lady.
01:49:17
Speaker 2: Oh, that's so nice.
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Speaker 17: Mackenzie's twenty year in his third year of Lord Journie. So yeah, he's a good kid.
01:49:25
Speaker 2: Oh that must that's extra special for you to receive a message from him, who's twenty in Uni, to say I'd like to catch up with your gran and I'm bringing my girlfriend along.
01:49:35
Speaker 17: Yes, absolutely, Oh I love that Mary for sure.
01:49:40
Speaker 2: That's great. Thank you for sharing. And I hope you have a nice lunch when you catch up.
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Speaker 17: I will prey sure, Thank you, see you.
01:49:47
Speaker 2: That's Mary in Flagstaff Hill. If you've got some good news, maybe something something good happened to you. Maybe you received some good news like Anna in Campbelltown. Did someone get engaged, someone pregnant having a Maybe you witnessed a random act of kindness, someone paid for someone's petrol. Does that still happen? It would be a nice thing to do, but I'm not sure it still happens. Eight double two three, double O double OW is the number to call to share your afternoon delight stories or to tell me what you think Katie Perry was wishing for when she threw her credit card into the Trevy Fountain in Rome. This is just so bizarre to me. It's the last thing I would think of throwing into the fountain. Your credit card, what was she thinking? All right, keep your calls coming eight double two three double O double OW, or you can text them through zero double four eight zero eight thirteen ninety five. I'll take some more calls in just a moment.