Episode 15: CookieNaval

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Welcome to the next episode of after
the Split. This episode I'm grace with

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the legendary runner and great friend,
Cookie Navel. He's known for his world

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records and many runs in various crash
bandicook games, stitch experiment, six to

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six, and now he's running toy. Story to this was originally aired on

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twitch and I apologize for the posting
lay, but I'm getting it to you

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guys now. As always, after
the split is on spotify, apple,

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check it out at any of these sources.

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Hope you enjoy and hi, cookie, welcome to the next episode of

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after the Split. It's been a
little while, but I'm hoping things get

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back to normal. This is definitely
long overdue, especially for a runner of

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your caliber. That absolute legend you
are, and only reason I've really put

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this off as because I wanted to
diverse five from crash stuff, but especially

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being the Homie, I am glad
to finally have you on. How are

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you doing cookie? Hi, welcome
for having me. I'm leading pretty good

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these past few days. Been a
little bit busy with college, but still

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still have time to catch up with
the homies over at twitch. Not TV,

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which thank goodness. I know a
lot of us have been missing your

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face, so hopefully you don't do
school too long, my goodness, and

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all the people get to see that
you're not bald anymore, which is incredible.

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Shame, I know, I mean
it did shame. Sure, maybe

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I think you look fantastic. Either
way, it's bappy. I do always

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like to start off because I'm fascinated
by origin stories like this. So how

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did the name COOKIE NAVEL COME TO
BE? Name Cooky Navel as if I'm

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not mistaken, I think I was
around fourteen fifteen, so around around seven

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years ago. As you might know, like, I used to do competitive

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swimming and Navel. The naval part
was just from the club, the the

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name of the club that I was
in, and the cookie part was at

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the end of like every swimming session
that we used to have, like we

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all, we used to bring like
these meals from home, right, so

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you can get some energy after like
obviously, what do you spend swimming?

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But some of the majority of people
used to bring like, for examples,

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on chocolate and then bananas, and, as you also might know, I

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am not a big fan of chocolate, I know. HMM, I have

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many words to say about your choices
on a lot of things, including that

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one. And Yeah, it instead
of just bringing chocolate, I just brought

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a huge tupper were full of cookies
and one of one of my friends just

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just started calling me cookie and then
that's just stuck with. Oh well,

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I dig it, especially in combination
like that. It's unique enough, but

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it's also identifiable enough, if that
makes any sense whatsoever, at least to

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me. And you know, just
since he kind of talked about it,

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I feel like that you're not secret
about anything, but also I feel like

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that's something not a lot of people
may know. What like, how long

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have you been doing competitive swimming?
So I entered swimming classes when I was

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pretty much baby. I think I
was around two years old. Even then,

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the minimum age to start competitive swimming
is wealth and then I did competitive

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swimming for six years until I was
eighteen, and then I stopped when I

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entered college because because I was also
going abroad for college, I kind of

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quit competitive swimming because I think it
wasn't the best choice for me at the

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time because I being abroad and being
the first year of college would have been

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a little bit hard to like balance
both. I think think, Oh yeah,

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for sure. Now, do you
miss it or is it sounds like,

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yeah, there's a good time,
but I don't necessarily need it in

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my life right now. Oh Yeah, I definitely miss it. Like I

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think I would want to go back
because, like there's also a different category,

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because they group you by ages,
right, and there's a different age

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group which is twenty five plus years
old, and I can kind of see

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myself going back to it and as
definitely something I miss, like when we

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used to have the regional competitions or
even the national competitions, like just the

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atmosphere that you had, like waiting
for your time to swim, just like

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two minutes in water is just it's
like overwhelming almost. You're like full of

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adrenaline and then when you just hear
the the starting signal, you just giving

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it your Oll. I've heard you
say some like really nice things about this

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especially it just kind of reinforces how
I see you as a person. Do

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you find that, I mean twitch
and that general community sense is kind of

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resemblance in the way that you like
are the aspects that you liked about swimming

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and the the team perspective? Yeah, for sure, I think that's also

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why I'm so hooked in to speed
running. It's because everyone cares about everyone.

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Of course, let's be honest,
it doesn't. It's not real for

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every single community, but for the
crash community that I'm personally like involved extremely

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it, it's pretty much true.
It's a hundred percent true. Everyone cares

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about everyone. And Yeah, and
we'll definitely I do want to come back

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to in general. You're running and
stuff like that, but I do like

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to kind of start off and get
to know the person a little bit better

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here. So I guess, just
for preface, how did we come to

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know each other? I thought from
I like to hear from your perspective.

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I mean, if I do remember, it was most certainly from Mad Bronin.

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Oh, really, I wouldn't too
certain. I just knew obviously we

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were both actively rising insane truly think
time. Yeah, I think it was

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from a ray from him, but
I don't remember where I met him.

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I think, who knows? I
mean he was, I think, really

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running in St as well. Yeah, back then. Yeah, I think

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he just dropped in my chat.
I'm not mistaken. It was an interesting

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time. They took away the twitch
directory for a bit, but I think

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maybe way back when. It was
before they kicked us off and then,

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you know, eventually put us back, but kind of yeah, for sure,

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in Sinsein. I mean obviously cookies
become one of my mods. I

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like to think that I got to
see his story kind of unravel. For

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anybody that doesn't know, cookie has
just an insane amount of world records and

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stitch experiment to six to six crash
for crashing St and then miscellaneous categories all

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over the place. You don't have
like one general type of game that you

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stay with either. I think platforms
generally there, but then like what's it

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called ID in some it yeah,
yeah, yeah, but you're definitely there.

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Was this site, this website that
I found like, I think was

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last week. Now, lets you
see the first hundred people that followed you.

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I actually noticed I think you were
like thirty five gool. So so

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you're definitely you know, gee,
you're definitely there right away. I will

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say there's something that just stood out
about both because you were like a new

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runner and like wow, this guy's
actually pretty good for a baby runner.

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I don't even like that a necessarily, but real recognized real right and also

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you're very cool, very homie,
I mean just coming in being a super

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nice guy, even in my chat, and I was a baby streamer and

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all that. So I was like, Oh, let me check it out.

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He also plays this game, and
I was super nerding over anybody in

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U see like, Oh my God, to twenty five. So's cool and

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obviously I think you've performed a lot
better than me, but it's been a

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good time. We've both kind of
grown and seen twhich things happen. I

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mean I think in my opinion,
I at least what I like to think,

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is that. I mean some people
come in my come my streams,

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in my chat is like because of
me, some, but I think the

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majority is just this guy's pretty cool
at what he does and pretty fast.

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And Yeah, I want to see
some new were records from this guy,

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but I think the more from you, you definitely have more of that side.

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It's like Oh, yeah, this
this guy's kind of dope, this

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guy's kind of funny. Look this
content. Well, I appreciate definitely,

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but if I wanted to compared again
times, but like you're definitely more that

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aspect comparing to me, like having
fun with the viewers and the chatters in

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my opinion. Of course, debate. Well, I mean obviously we're all

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our own harshest critics. Yeah,
I definitely I think I've tried to stray

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away from like, Oh, I
only want to be known for this one

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thing, but it's also, I
mean you could go both ways. It's

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harder for growing, but also it
lets you to be more, maybe authentic.

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I don't see any authenticity problems with
you, though, by any means.

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Definitely, there are some game,
some categories that are going to draw

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more for active and definitely that.
But that's been certain categories in the same

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game, oh for sure. Especially
I've noticed, and here's where we differ

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quite a bit, completion is going
to perform analytically much better, and I

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do not do completion categories. Were
you you think any person is cringe,

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and you tell me this very old
any present is so bad. Would you

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want to be sad at losing ten
seconds because you're not even a sad?

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Was a minute? Like I need
to perform perfectly and that's so awesome.

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When you get anywhere near that,
at least for me. Yeah, like

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for me, less than one hour, Nah, Nah, while I think

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forty to sixty minutes is like the
perfect speed run one, one hour and

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a half plus. Who you crazy
these? How did you, I guess,

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did what was your first category that
you entered or tried to run?

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What made you do it? Um, and you're talking about crash or just

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in general. And Yeah, how
did you kind of dive into the world

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of speed running and what made you
be like, Oh, I want to

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complete this or I actually, I
am not too sure what your first category

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was. I got like I got
into speed running like not for actually not

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from Gq like majority of people.
We like I use I created a twitch

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back in like I think two thousand
and eighteen, and I followed this one

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kingdom herds content created guy, and
then I think I only use which again

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like early two thousand and nineteen,
where I started following like cage runners,

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and that's when I got started into
speed running. And I think and then

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then I just thought to myself,
like what games do I have about I

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really love and I want to try
speed running, and that one of the

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ones that came to mind was experiment
stitch, experiment six to six, because

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it was also it's a pstwo game
and, as you know, the majority

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of pstwo emulator games are band and
Iver. See, but actually at the

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time emulator was allowed for stitch.
So that's why I give it a shot.

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Dad that I think that was like
mid two thousand and nineteen, and

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then two thousand and twenty I decided
to start running crash because it was one

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of the few games, because I'm
your I'm not a PC Gamer at all,

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like the majority of games that I
buy our PSFOUR and then I and

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so I decided to start speed on
even crash because it was one of the

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like six games that I had them
see at the time and like and of

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course I don't have, I still
don't have a catcher card. So,

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like PC is way working. Oh
yeah, for sure, to strain.

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Yeah, and I think I before
I stream crash, I think I did

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like to offline runs. I think
I did it. Crashed three in the

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crash. Want any but first time
I I speed on crash into twitch was

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crash one and I see one hundred
and five. Oh Wow, okay,

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so you did use jumped straight into
completion. That's why. Yeah, I

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even learned one of the skips even
before my first run. Like I looked

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up the world record run at the
time as I was just like a school.

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Let me see if I can do
it. That had to be what

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Cam back in the day on console
even maybe. HMM, not not.

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This is two thousand and twenty good. I think it was Jamie can true.

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I know he has a pretty solid
time. I can't remember what it

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is. Was One fifty six thirty. Okay, so yeah, yeah,

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still not bad, I mean,
especially considering hardware limitations and stuff like that.

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Yeah, but, yeah, and
definitely I have a lot of things

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to ask you about that. But
and I get super sidetracked by things,

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so I'm going to try and bring
it back to you because you're the important

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thing here and a lot of people
that know you already know you're running history,

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but maybe they don't know some stuff. So things like how old are

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you? I am twenty two.
As a last yeah, I meant one

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thousand nine hundred and ninety nine gang, happy birth. Happy. And where

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is it you're from? I am
from Portugal, more specifically from one of

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the islands called Madeira. There was
that mean for US known Portuguese speakers?

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If anything, it's I mean,
if you want to translate it to like

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the actual word, it means would
the woodland perfect and as a lot of

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us know it, and it's kind
of unfortunate, but as you go back

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to uni, you don't necessarily have
the chance to stream as and then when

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you do, it's not like computer
intensive games. So what are you going

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to Unif like, what's your end
goal? I'm currently at Uni and taking

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chemistry and I'm currently on the second
year of my master's degree. Oh Wow,

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that's really impressive. Yeah, I've
been here for like this is my

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fifth year. Yeah, five years
banging. Do you have any like dream

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aspirations that you hope to use that
for, or is it just kind of

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the next stepping stool? It's like, I don't know, I think I'm

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I don't have that like job or
choice that I really want to I think

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that when I finished with college,
I think I'm pretty much open to all

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the choices that I have. HMM, like not, don't really. You

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shouldn't care about money at all.
Like two of the things that I can

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do or three? Think it's three. It's like I can either go teach,

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which I actually have had like I've
actually taught my my my colleagues and

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colleagues, because it's actually one of
my favorite classes. Think I got.

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Not Not bragging, of course,
I got top of the class by like,

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Oh, let's go ten by like
ten percent. That's some really big

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margin. Yeah, but the team, the teacher, was just completely awful.

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They was just awful. So I
all my colleagues just went for me

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like Oh, please explain me this, because the teachers is not doing her

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job. Yeah, so I actually
had like we gathered a few times and

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then I actually was like playing the
role of the teacher. So that's one

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thing that I'm open to. The
other thing is like just investigation work,

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just like being in a lab and
doing just stendard CSI. What you see

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in television. It's crazy to think
because, I mean there's a huge difference

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there. I could see you doing
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There's always the chance. Who knows? Does I'm always curious. Is there

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anything that you lean towards more that's
like, Oh, this would give me

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some sort of intrinsic value, like
do you enjoy the teaching people or do

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you like put your mind to work
where you think a lab setting would be

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more up your alley? I don't
not at all. I think both as

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pretty much like fifty. You're so
easygoing, and this is towards everything,

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but like, I don't know,
I don't know how you do it.

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I like to believe that I'm not
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that's very true. I'm more mean, like you're just like yeah,

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as long as I'm alive, then
I'm pretty chill. I don't know.

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Yeah, we viben. Oh,
I got I guess maybe at this point.

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Could have you ever worked like a
forty hour week job already or I

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had a pretty called internship. Yeah, it was for one month and it

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was I think was forty hours.
Move for an internship. That's crazy.

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But was it? No, eight, no, it's not. Yeah,

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no, no, no, it's
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yeah, some some sort of thing
like a full time job pretty much,

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which is then. Yeah, I'm
were you doing school same time as that

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internship? Not. That was in
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August. was there any parts that
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that, I wouldn't want to do
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There was this one aspect of the
internship I did that was completely boring but

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I would totally skip on, which
was basically just being in your computer,

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looking at an excel spreadsheet for like, Oh, yeah, I's sounds awful.

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I'm not excellent at Excel. Yeah, like I had the lap part.

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Of course, what I did.
Let me see if I remember the

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exact name. It was like qualifying, was like rating. It was something

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around like rating the quality of wines. So obviously I had the lap portion

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and then like to analyze the data. Excel boring stuff. Now, I

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definitely I don't want to come off
as like a therapist or anything like that,

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but I just tend to like to
poke the brains a bit. Have

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you had, like any impact from
your time away from streaming, like,

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do you think of it as like
a negative thing or like a positive time

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to take a break from running and
all that, or what's your general mindset?

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Like the time, the days that
I don't stream is eater, like

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because I'm because, for example,
I'm practicing and I think that, like

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today, I'm not going to stream
because I want to put more practice,

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more time to practice into a specific
like skip or trick. There's but there's

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some days where I like want to
stream and then like thirty minutes or one

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hour later, I say to myself, I don't want to stream, but

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I don't think necessarily that I feel
bad about it, because this is what

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I also tell a lot of people, because you have to take care of

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yourself first, because I'm not gonna
go live what a bad mindset and like

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deliver of poor execution or interaction with
chats. So I don't think I feel

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necessarily bad when I don't stream.
Oh Yeah, for sure, I've.

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I've definitely been there where it's like, you know what, I've only been

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going for an hour but mentally I'm
just not there, and I think if

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you feel like you're delivering a bad
product or something, then you'll feel even

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worse. So it's just, overall, I think, not a good time.

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I think that's why, like I
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when I usually go live, I
I think I have a pretty good mindsets

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because if I didn't have I wouldn't
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Usual it's usually like three, four, if it's a chunky one,

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like five probably, but I think
I never stream less than like two hours,

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only if I have to fit a
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a lot of time that day,
which makes sense. I mean definitely,

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especially with your categories, and be
fairly time. Yeah, do you ever

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feel like you have a hankering to
go back to things? Like it's been

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a while since you done one hundred
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couple weeks now since anything. For
See for there you like, I'm a

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crackhead, I miss it, or
you like, yeah, you know what,

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I'm happy to play a little bit
toy story, to kind of bounce

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around. Yeah, let see one. I've been thinking, like not in

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the near future, but probably eventually, like probably improve one hundred and five,

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because my opinion, I think that's
like the most improvable really. Yeah,

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because, like I grinded one hundred
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all gyms and of course, when
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let's say, I had a like
in the middle of grinding one hundred and

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five, I didn't all gems,
which is which was like one undred twenty,

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and now I grinded more one hundred
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world record. Then I went back
to all gems and like my second run

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was a fifteen, like five minutes
of improvement and from of course that's going

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to happen like vice versa, because, like from the time I spent grinding

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all gems, it's gonna also improve
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for see four, I mean if
I if I have a choice and if

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I could, I would actually stream
see for like every single day. I

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just that at this point become probably
one of my top five games of all

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time. Really, that's a that's
a lot to say, especially, I

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mean obviously I think you've murdered that
game absolutely and you motivate other people to

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do it more too, which is
incredible. Like ACG was definitely a neglected

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category. To see how far you've
brought it down compared that where it was

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before you touched it, it's crazy, and I think you're one of those

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trend setter people that's like, Oh
hey, getting a subthree. Nobody's doing

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that. Then it's like, oh
wait, it can get down to almost

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a thirty. Are you serious?
And Yeah, now that's a couple people

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almost. They're like tears is on
the up. I think reads has potential

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to definitely be down there as well. Yeah, for sure, but like

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I like to think that not not
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I want to push that down as
much as I can. But but,

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for example, with one of those
six, that one of those hits,

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it's like an eight hours category.
Like I don't think when I was like

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in all three four runs that I
did of one of six, I was

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definitely not concerned with going fast,
just having fun, because if you're concerned

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about going fast in an eight hours
category, you're just you're just not going

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to perform. Well, God,
that's a that's a survival category. Like

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there is no way many people are
going to do that. I think you

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truly are built different. Yeah,
I mean I think when you think about

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it, like it's just your it's
just as being eight hours stream like.

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I think in my opinion, like
doing a one undred six is better than

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like streaming for eight hours of let's
say, an a percent. Yeah,

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that point you're just beating your head. Yeah, if you're going for eight

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hours and any percent. But yeah, understandable. What a what was your

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first time in one of six versus
your time now or personal best? Of

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course, my first time was a
MMM ballparker then. That to me was

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eatersly down to the right minute and
everything. I don't even remember. Was

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Nine or ten now I think was
nine, I think forty three. No,

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I mean that's still really good.
I think. Yeah, I think

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it was nine hundred forty three,
then eight eight forty and eight hundred and

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twenty eight o x, and then
seven hundred and forty, which I mean

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just to even be able to bring
it down by one plus hour is so

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a couple nuts. Now, besides
obviously running and streaming, do you have

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any other like notable hobbies or things
you're passionate about because of, you know,

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the the whole cult covid situation?
But I kind of everything they talked

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about. Yeah, I kind of
became a couch potato personally. But now

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the this month around, like the
second week of October, I took up

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again, like swimming again and running
as well, thereatly, like I used

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to run, or not just free
running in like the streets. Oh,

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okay, okay, because I used
to run for a long time. I

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used to have a pretty good stamina. I think the maximum that I've run

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in a row was like whenny,
two kilometers. That's that's kind of nuts.

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which is like what whenny? I
don't even know miles, probably like

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somewhere between thirteen to sixteen miles.
Yeah, it's not a small amount.

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I'm I think people that run are
like for fun or kind of mental yeah,

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and that was like I really love
running. That was like I think

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was like two hours, five minutes
around something like that. By I I'm

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even when I'm walking down a street, I get this this urge to just

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start running. Are you like a
a tall person? I mean depends what

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you bite tall. Think I'm.
I'm trying to think. Yeah, conversion,

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I think I am. Are you
over six feet? Nah, I'm

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barely not there. I'm once seventy
eight, which is five hundred and eleven.

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Oh okay, that's so short.
Sure, you be six feet,

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you're tall, but five hundred and
eleven minage. Five hundred and eleven.

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I would definitely lie Ip six feet. Do you think if you were,

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you know, thinking truly to yourself
when you're running, swimming, playing games,

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do you find yourself to be kind
of competitive? For sure, because

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you all, you always want to
be faster than the guy that's like.

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Besides, your right behind you on
the league. I remembered there was this

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one swimming competition that I had.
It was a hundred meters freestyle, which

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for me. It's it was a
huge milestone to swim a hundred meters in

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less than one minutes, and that
was because and that saying, like how

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do you call it? I don't
remember the actual lamb, but, like

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you, there's eight swimmers that swim
at the same time. You know,

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I wouldn't know the name even in
English, but I know what you're talking

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about. Yeah, like the same
I think it's same set, like the

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same set. I had a colleague
of mind. It was like swimming like

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right beside me and he can quote
UN he can easily get less than one

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minute and a hundred meters. So
I was just focusing on like chasing him

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and not letting him go like Super
Far Away from me. Let makes that's

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what I think. That was the
first time I did it in the lesson

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one minute. Now there are reports, by the way, that you're actually

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a robot. Can you confirm or
deny this? That kind of hurt.

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All right, so I'll say those
are false and there false. All right,

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with a just the sheer amount of
records that you have now in speed

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running, you have one that you're
more proud of or that you're the most

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proud of? HMM, I don't. I think, even though I said

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like the one hundred and five world
records is the most improvable, I think

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that's the one that I'm most proud
of because it was probablybly my it was

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my first one, like not counting
stitch, of course, because there's like

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where you runners, including me,
but like and in a game that has

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a lot of people, I think
because that was my first world record,

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I think that's the most that's the
the world record that I'm most proud of.

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That's I mean you had to really
earn that one, I feel like.

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And so you're coming from not having
the background in it. So,

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like all gyms, well, still
very, very impressive it. It kind

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of came more naturally because it's more
or less similarly. That related to that

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one hundred and five. So I
I think I was there for the first

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one hundred and five record and it
is just such a a cool moment,

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such an awesome moment to be there
for. And Yeah, I mean obviously

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you sense and they do they even
matter at this point? I mean you

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just keep getting them, you and
logic both, I swear. I I'm

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surrounded by people that are just excellent
and I'm like Hey, I'm here.

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Like what I started doing all gyms
after I got the one hundred and five.

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I told myself that I already got
what I came here to do,

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which was one und five were and
then I basically went into all gems with

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zero expectations, like I don't care
if I get were I'm getting if I

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don't get it, Dad, just
want to have a good time on leaderboards.

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Because, like, even when I
was on pace, like I I

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broke. I got all gyms world
record, like the day after I got

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the one hundred and five and in
that run died in Great Hall. Like,

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well, who kind of die was
there? I wasn't even boughter.

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I just started laughing because, like, what else can you do with that

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point? It's just funny. Yeah, I'm not going to be like,

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oh no, I died in Great
Hall. Look, no, I'm going

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to lose word, like I don't
care. Now. Kind of want to

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transition here. Let's talk about all
stream or cookie, because you mentioned that

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you would run stitch before. What
you actually made you decide? Oh,

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you know what, I want to
record these and stream them to people.

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Yeah, I usual when I started
speet drowning the way I did. It

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was an obs I just pressed like
start recording and then, because I have

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massive Internet knowledge and computer knowledge,
I didn't know how to edit. So,

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like every single attempt, I pressed
stop recording and then start recording so

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I didn't have to like cuts.
I'll admit, I'm lazy. I would

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do the same thing even now if
I was local recording a yeah, I

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think it was because of that.
That was like hassle. Sorts just started

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streaming so I didn't have to do
that. And, funny enough, I

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don't think I've ever told this,
but like the first time, like the

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first ever stream, I did a
twitch first. I was running stitch.

408
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Of course I gotta. I got
a PB world record, but it was

409
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:46.329
lost because you need to check this
little box that says save Vaut's No.

410
00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:58.090
Now was lost. Would it currently
be the world record? Yes, oh

411
00:37:58.530 --> 00:38:06.360
my goodness, cookie, that is
actually heartbreaking. But you know what,

412
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.960
everybody has at least one mishap on
their first submission from a vad. Yours

413
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.150
is, of course, not the
best, just like, Oh, I

414
00:38:15.230 --> 00:38:19.670
forgot to include the frame counter or
something like that. But yeah, that's

415
00:38:19.710 --> 00:38:23.070
also what happened to in my first
crash. One Oh, no, FBS,

416
00:38:23.469 --> 00:38:29.099
okay, fine, which I feel
like that's just a staple at this

417
00:38:29.179 --> 00:38:30.380
point. Everybody does it and it's
like, Oh, Yep, this is

418
00:38:30.460 --> 00:38:34.940
how you learn read the rules.
Like yeah, I had I had two

419
00:38:35.139 --> 00:38:38.780
mishaps with crash. It was the
first one was not accepted because of FPS,

420
00:38:39.380 --> 00:38:44.889
but the second one was accepted,
but I didn't take a box that

421
00:38:45.050 --> 00:38:49.730
said like remove the Times from those
transitions. Like every song. It was

422
00:38:49.809 --> 00:38:54.760
a loading time and like removes a
little BITs. So my seconds. It

423
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.639
was verified, but like it was
with that like penalty actually kind of nuts

424
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.639
in the world of well, take
us back to our roots here, but

425
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.190
nst it's nuts to see chambers got
a crash too time, one second off

426
00:39:09.269 --> 00:39:14.389
of Matteis, which, after Austin's
time, got bopped out. That's now

427
00:39:14.469 --> 00:39:17.230
the longest standing record, which is
just very cool for the game's history.

428
00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:23.539
Yeah, I think I'm also like
a baby in crash, because when was

429
00:39:23.579 --> 00:39:29.260
the game released? Like two thousand
and seventeen sounds about right. Yeah,

430
00:39:29.860 --> 00:39:34.099
I don't remember the month and I
got and I like I entered a community

431
00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:38.090
like July two thousand and twenty.
I mean say, my you and I

432
00:39:38.210 --> 00:39:42.730
can joined about the same time.
I think mine was like April, so

433
00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:51.369
which it's been very cool to see
both the growth and also, not necessarily

434
00:39:51.409 --> 00:39:55.199
the decline, but people evolving past
it, I guess, because the game

435
00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.599
progress very rapidly due to people like
potty and Grewy yourself. Yeah, Jamie,

436
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:07.190
see two is dead, but actually
right now it might be the well,

437
00:40:07.230 --> 00:40:10.110
besides one, people always are going
to run one for some reason,

438
00:40:10.150 --> 00:40:15.230
I don't get it, but you
guys seem to enjoy it. But two

439
00:40:15.309 --> 00:40:20.389
is pretty native. It's got a
lot of top level players anyway. Yeah,

440
00:40:20.389 --> 00:40:25.940
I think it's because crash one is, if you'd ask, like some

441
00:40:27.139 --> 00:40:30.739
of us, it's like the one
was is like more big, inner friendly,

442
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:35.139
because it doesn't have the huge amount
of tech. I sure we can

443
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:42.369
do crash and crash three. You
would like just normal movements, but if

444
00:40:42.449 --> 00:40:47.090
you want to, I guess compare
yourself better to utter runners and see one

445
00:40:47.250 --> 00:40:53.760
is a like the best place to
start. Probably. Yeah, when when

446
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:58.760
you were first kind of seeing anst
as a speed game instead of just a

447
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.480
casual game, did you look much
into it? Like, Oh, well,

448
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.309
I wanted to play a different one, but I don't really want to

449
00:41:05.429 --> 00:41:08.869
learn all this tech. This seems
wild, or did you just already know?

450
00:41:09.110 --> 00:41:14.909
I like crash one. This is
what I've nostalgia for now. I

451
00:41:15.070 --> 00:41:22.780
definitely I tried all three, but
one of my stands, and like speed

452
00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:30.099
running, is besides like that,
I like completion better. If there is

453
00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:35.809
an option for like, let's say, a Galicious category, I tend to

454
00:41:35.889 --> 00:41:39.090
go for it. Yeah, because
I don't want to like I want to

455
00:41:39.130 --> 00:41:43.449
say, like I don't want to
butcher like the game that I'm playing.

456
00:41:43.610 --> 00:41:51.239
I want to like improve my basic
skills, and I think that's kind of

457
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.440
similar to crash doudent, crash three, because, like I don't want,

458
00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:00.199
I don't really want to do like
this fast tech. I don't know if

459
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.710
that kind of makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that makes awesome. We

460
00:42:04.829 --> 00:42:07.710
like, for example, crash.
I also like crash for speed running,

461
00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:14.909
for example, because it's it's just
lightspin like there's you, there's no way,

462
00:42:15.309 --> 00:42:19.820
nothing can go wrong with slight span. Yeah, but like learning every

463
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:23.780
single place you can start a hop
slide maintaining that hop slide. I was

464
00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:29.940
like that's not really for me.
I do I usually tend to take up

465
00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:36.650
with like the simple movement tech.
This is so it's I mean this is

466
00:42:36.769 --> 00:42:39.489
just obviously different strokes for different folks
and I love that kind of thing.

467
00:42:39.809 --> 00:42:43.730
But Man, I'm like, this
is not computing. My monkey brain is

468
00:42:43.889 --> 00:42:46.400
like I need to push pons,
I need to go fast, it's a

469
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:53.440
speedy run, I need to speed. But you also have that like surgical

470
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.960
precision in everything that you do play. Then like up. Well, there's

471
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:06.670
definitely different aspects there for sure.
Yeah, did you have like nostalgia for

472
00:43:06.829 --> 00:43:09.789
the crash games? Is that kind
of how you picked it or what pushed

473
00:43:09.869 --> 00:43:14.139
you to run them? Because we've
done a lot of crash came at this

474
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:20.739
point. I wouldn't really call in
the tals you like. I sure I

475
00:43:20.900 --> 00:43:23.539
grew up with it, but I
wouldn't say, Oh, I miss this

476
00:43:23.619 --> 00:43:30.130
game so much that I have to
try to remake but I just really liked

477
00:43:30.409 --> 00:43:36.730
the the crash one, two,
three originals, and so I had just

478
00:43:36.849 --> 00:43:45.480
decided to play it again and the
remake of also because it was again one

479
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.840
of the few games I had for
a PC, because I don't have it

480
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.760
for a console. Yeah, which
probably good thing, probably for the better.

481
00:43:54.750 --> 00:44:00.789
Now it's been the worst game that
you've ever run. Worst game by

482
00:44:01.670 --> 00:44:10.139
far crash purple, but that is
a game that exists. Why I never

483
00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:15.579
streamed it. I only did all
flyin attends. It's so bad. It's

484
00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:22.219
just horrible. I was surprised to
see when kind of bash was having its

485
00:44:22.460 --> 00:44:27.610
big moment in the sun, like
a lot of people were running actively.

486
00:44:28.130 --> 00:44:34.329
I didn't see you jumping back on
board for that. I mean it's not

487
00:44:35.969 --> 00:44:39.599
like a lot of people like to
mean that you like either love or hate

488
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:46.320
Bah. I think I'm kind of
neutral to this. Like I think it's

489
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:53.389
a it's a good ish game.
That also that has a lot of flaws,

490
00:44:53.550 --> 00:44:59.829
of course. Oh, yeah,
they like. Of course, from

491
00:44:59.909 --> 00:45:02.469
time to time, if I want, I can just boot up bash and

492
00:45:02.789 --> 00:45:08.780
just do a run. But like, there's as as a lot of people

493
00:45:08.860 --> 00:45:14.739
have there. You have like five
games in your list of Oh, I

494
00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:17.780
want to speed on this, but
I will probably never speed on this because

495
00:45:17.780 --> 00:45:25.969
I'm stuck with this one game.
Now. Are there any aspects to streaming

496
00:45:27.489 --> 00:45:30.969
that you've kind of grown to?
How do I want to phrase this?

497
00:45:31.449 --> 00:45:36.559
Is there anything about streaming that particularly
stood out to you when you were early

498
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.159
on this, like you know what, I really like this, or anything

499
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:46.360
that stood out as like there's some
things I don't like about it. I

500
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:54.030
think what I really what I enjoy
the most about seet running in streaming,

501
00:45:55.110 --> 00:46:00.230
my attempts. It's just, again, coming back to it, it's like

502
00:46:00.510 --> 00:46:07.179
the sense of community, like because
nowadays I wouldn't really do run offline,

503
00:46:08.460 --> 00:46:15.500
because when I go online I just
be like several people like trying to motivate

504
00:46:15.579 --> 00:46:24.090
and push me, and I like
thinking about it. There's like not a

505
00:46:24.250 --> 00:46:32.320
thing that like, if you told
me one negative aspect from streaming, I

506
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.760
actually couldn't say one. Like,
of course you always have those like trolls

507
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:44.320
in your chats. Yeah, but
I think I like learn how to handle

508
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:49.510
them, like I just have fun
with them, which just like you Thurd

509
00:46:49.670 --> 00:46:58.309
things that they say, just like
whenever I'm tired. It just been patience

510
00:46:58.349 --> 00:47:04.139
level definitely goes down depending on mood. Like if they if if you ever

511
00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:07.460
have a person and Chatli, Oh
my God, you're so bad, you're

512
00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:10.860
so slow. Why you're not doing
this? And you're like you're right,

513
00:47:12.099 --> 00:47:16.289
why am I not doing this?
Like I just like buy into their story,

514
00:47:16.449 --> 00:47:21.769
like and you just play along.
Like in my mind, I don't

515
00:47:21.809 --> 00:47:25.329
really care what you say, at
least for me. I've I found streaming

516
00:47:25.409 --> 00:47:30.360
very early on to be really therapeutic. Like in a way it's just an

517
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.159
escape from a lot of things.
This was when I was working full time

518
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.800
and whatnot, but I was able
to just, you know what, ignore

519
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.239
work problems, ignore life problems,
just try and go fast and game.

520
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.869
People want to hang out. Cool, you just can talk about life stuff

521
00:47:45.869 --> 00:47:50.230
and things. Did you initially find
anything like that or you just like Oh,

522
00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:52.389
this is this just kind of fun
to BS or whatever? I don't

523
00:47:52.389 --> 00:47:57.030
know. I'm trying to see how
you felt about it early on and has

524
00:47:57.110 --> 00:48:02.860
that changed? I think fear therapeutic
a little bit as well, like if

525
00:48:02.860 --> 00:48:12.539
I'm just having a bad day,
like I don't think that transmits into how

526
00:48:12.579 --> 00:48:17.210
I perform in my runs, but
there are there was a period where I

527
00:48:17.289 --> 00:48:23.090
was like like a little bit,
how do you say? Like down?

528
00:48:23.329 --> 00:48:29.559
I guess, like every time I
started streaming I started like Piss or,

529
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:36.159
like sad, but every time my
soft streaming I just felt happy again,

530
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:39.400
like normal. Yeah, yeah,
because all of the interactions I had in

531
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:45.510
nest reating to help me and over
the you know, it's been almost a

532
00:48:45.550 --> 00:48:50.030
year or a bit over here now. Has Your relationship changed with the way

533
00:48:50.070 --> 00:48:59.820
you view running and chatting and stuff
like that. Um, I think he

534
00:49:00.380 --> 00:49:01.940
I think you could. I can
say so. Yeah, because, like

535
00:49:05.260 --> 00:49:12.010
I think when I start, of
course I actually don't remember, but if

536
00:49:12.050 --> 00:49:15.329
I were to guess, like when
I started streaming, I started like pretty

537
00:49:15.489 --> 00:49:22.329
nervous because I am, I am
a big, big and introvert, and

538
00:49:22.449 --> 00:49:29.199
I remember, like when you when
you have like one of my mentalities that

539
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.480
I had when I started speed running
was like Oh, nobody, I'm just

540
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.239
starting, nobody's going to care about
me. And then I see like that.

541
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.750
I see like Jamie, I see
Austin my chat, I see Merc

542
00:49:40.789 --> 00:49:45.150
as, I see Rico and I'm
like who, they're here, they're watching

543
00:49:45.269 --> 00:49:49.829
me. Recognize nervous, m yeah, like, do you remember who the

544
00:49:49.869 --> 00:49:52.510
first person that was? Like,
Oh, I recognize this. Name was

545
00:49:54.820 --> 00:49:58.980
what miname? Or No, no. So, like you're streaming someone you

546
00:49:59.059 --> 00:50:01.219
recognize from the leaderboard or something,
like the first person to come into your

547
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:05.500
chat like, Oh shit, because
it's almost like a starstruck thing, right,

548
00:50:05.500 --> 00:50:13.570
but obviously do a much smaller level. I think so the way I

549
00:50:13.849 --> 00:50:19.130
kind of started was I did my
first one hundred and five. I don't

550
00:50:19.130 --> 00:50:22.800
know was my second one hundred and
five and then I rated boot shoot that

551
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.440
was also doing a one hundred and
five, and in his chat was Jamie.

552
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.360
And then I like I said,
Oh, I was set running one

553
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.710
hundred and five and I got this
time, and then Jamie followed me and

554
00:50:35.789 --> 00:50:42.789
I think Jamie was the first crash
person that followed me, and then I

555
00:50:43.429 --> 00:50:46.789
prought. It was him that was
probably first. Like the next time I

556
00:50:46.909 --> 00:50:54.539
strained because again he would he at
the time had one hundred and five were

557
00:50:54.659 --> 00:50:59.820
so I was like, oh,
he we're guys in my chip followed me

558
00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:06.050
a're guy I. I actually
I remember this and I've loved him a

559
00:51:06.090 --> 00:51:10.570
lot ever since. But on Nason
he he was like the first stwo runner

560
00:51:12.090 --> 00:51:15.570
that came into my chat and I
was a shitter. I'm talking like maybe

561
00:51:15.809 --> 00:51:22.159
sub hour at that point maybe,
and like wow, this guy's seventeen,

562
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.079
like he's pretty good. And I
cause at the time I had never dreamed

563
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.519
that I could even. I was
so like, Oh, a subfifty,

564
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.750
that seems cool. And obviously each
milestone marker, each minute, gets progressively

565
00:51:32.909 --> 00:51:37.510
incredibly harder. Well, maybe not
for you, but for me. So

566
00:51:37.670 --> 00:51:39.869
like getting past forty nine was a
big mental barrier for a while. And

567
00:51:40.070 --> 00:51:45.590
like routinely I was like Oh cool, like I actual runners of this game

568
00:51:45.710 --> 00:51:50.579
like giving me help and stuff like
that, and eventually that goes away.

569
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:52.099
You're like, oh, these are
just regular people who also like to play

570
00:51:52.099 --> 00:51:55.380
the game. Yeah, but if
first, for me anyway, it was

571
00:51:55.500 --> 00:52:01.570
Oh cool, these people that play
this, they they're real people, I

572
00:52:01.769 --> 00:52:08.010
think now I'm not that I'm not
surprised by like like people that are high

573
00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:13.130
in the leader boards checking people that
are lower on leading boards. But like,

574
00:52:13.289 --> 00:52:17.360
for example, with toy story too
that I'm running at this time,

575
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.199
I also recognize when, like people
that are in the leader boards follow me.

576
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:30.909
Yeah, and especially the guy that
has world record in in any percent

577
00:52:31.030 --> 00:52:37.630
and hundred percent is also helping me
a lot with tricks. And again,

578
00:52:37.670 --> 00:52:44.860
I'm not surprised, but it's very
like wholesome to see. Now. That

579
00:52:45.019 --> 00:52:51.699
being said, I think of like
stitch in this aspect. But are there

580
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:55.260
games that you kind of wish were
a little more popular, like toy story

581
00:52:55.340 --> 00:53:05.610
or stitch? I mean, of
course you always want to, you want

582
00:53:05.769 --> 00:53:10.849
a game to be as popular as
it can get. HMM, I think

583
00:53:12.289 --> 00:53:20.559
toy story too, for like the
amount of people that played it back into

584
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:28.949
the days. I think it's pretty
like as a lot of people, if

585
00:53:28.949 --> 00:53:31.750
I'm not mistaken, like now,
with the new updated ness, or so

586
00:53:31.869 --> 00:53:37.190
you can like see, there's like
the statistics right besides, the leaderboard,

587
00:53:37.869 --> 00:53:45.300
I'm not mistaken, has somewhere around
seventy people. So that's pretty that's a

588
00:53:45.420 --> 00:53:51.579
yeah, that's not small. Yeah
at all. That's a pretty big amount

589
00:53:51.579 --> 00:53:54.340
of people for toy story two.
Buddy, I know you always want to

590
00:53:54.380 --> 00:54:00.530
see like the game that you love
and speed run just get as popular as

591
00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:07.769
you can. And nowt of now
that that I'm like a leaderboard MoD for

592
00:54:07.130 --> 00:54:13.400
crash, for like when I see
new submission and I see, oh,

593
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:15.840
this is actually a name. That
is that I've never seen it. It's

594
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.719
not in the Leeboard. It's always
pretty dope to see. Oh, yeah,

595
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.829
for sure. Have you noticed,
I mean since you've taken over,

596
00:54:23.909 --> 00:54:30.030
that spot is see for on the
up and up, or have you seen

597
00:54:30.110 --> 00:54:38.019
it kind of decline? I mean
since I got the role as a leaderboard

598
00:54:38.099 --> 00:54:45.260
MoD, I think it has been
pretty much constant. Of course I can

599
00:54:45.460 --> 00:54:52.019
say because I wasn't leaving word and
mud from the beginning, but at least

600
00:54:52.099 --> 00:54:57.050
since I got the role, I
think it's pretty much said the same,

601
00:54:57.690 --> 00:55:02.489
but I mean that's fair too,
and it's also the people that love that

602
00:55:02.570 --> 00:55:08.880
game really love that game. So
it's cool to see loyalty. Now it

603
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.599
would be a crime if I did
not bring it up or ask about it.

604
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.000
When you're not running or, you
know, playing games anyway, what

605
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.710
is it that you're doing at home? What kind of stuff you've been watching

606
00:55:22.750 --> 00:55:32.750
other than playing games, breathing?
I guess. All Right, I'M gonna

607
00:55:32.789 --> 00:55:37.460
be a bit more direct. So
how big of a web are you?

608
00:55:42.420 --> 00:55:47.940
I don't think I'm that much nowadays. I think back in the days before

609
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:52.809
I started speed running, I used
to watch a lot of series and a

610
00:55:52.849 --> 00:56:00.289
lot of anime, but I think
that now has witched, cause now I

611
00:56:00.369 --> 00:56:06.000
spend a lot of times in Games
and I've missed on a bunch of shows

612
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:13.800
that I want to watch. Only
so much time in life now, but

613
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:19.389
now I think I want to get
back to some of the shows I miss

614
00:56:22.909 --> 00:56:27.789
but Y as side, aside from
like games and shows, it's like what

615
00:56:27.949 --> 00:56:37.460
we discuss already, like swimming,
running, I think, nothing like extreme.

616
00:56:38.659 --> 00:56:43.300
It's always a it's kind of funny
to me. You and deadly and

617
00:56:43.500 --> 00:56:46.289
we're just talking about actually you and
both of you guys. Yesterday we have

618
00:56:46.570 --> 00:56:51.650
obviously the MoD chat my channel,
and it's like Youtube, going back and

619
00:56:51.769 --> 00:56:53.530
forth about anime stuff. I'm like, why don't you just DM Each Other?

620
00:56:54.889 --> 00:57:00.289
Me and Jock, we're like the
super casuals are like yeah, you

621
00:57:00.409 --> 00:57:01.840
know, once a year we'll watch
whatever comes out. You know what the

622
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:06.360
big ones people are talking about,
and you guys are like, ah,

623
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.719
yes, this thing that no one's
heard of. It's got like two hundred

624
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:15.239
things total. This is clearly the
best characters, stuff like that. I

625
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:19.030
yeah, you, he you don't
Miss my wife, HMM, which,

626
00:57:19.070 --> 00:57:21.750
by the way, I do love
that art commission that you got the other

627
00:57:21.789 --> 00:57:24.630
day. Very cool. Also,
I like the thank you that. Can

628
00:57:24.710 --> 00:57:27.590
we see that? Do you have
any of your displates yet, like,

629
00:57:27.710 --> 00:57:34.539
have they shipped? Sadly No.
Feels Poor Torua the worse. I think

630
00:57:34.579 --> 00:57:39.300
they were supposed to arrive last week, but I think be because the package

631
00:57:39.579 --> 00:57:45.170
is a little bit chunky. I
think, like with the bagger packages,

632
00:57:45.289 --> 00:57:50.210
takes a little bit more time.
Makes Sense. Now, if you had

633
00:57:50.289 --> 00:57:55.730
to recommend three shows first a casual
like me to watch, what would they

634
00:57:55.769 --> 00:58:06.159
be? Three shows, as in
like Jesus remmender me both, but I

635
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.000
was saying specifically anyway. But there's
like, Oh, this TV show or

636
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:12.840
something is like a musk cop.
Then I'm listening to you because I value

637
00:58:12.869 --> 00:58:21.469
your opinion, so I will watch
this. Two of the anime I suggest.

638
00:58:21.670 --> 00:58:25.309
I know it depends what you like, of course, hmm, but

639
00:58:27.139 --> 00:58:30.860
a genre called slice of life.
You know what it is. Sounds familiar,

640
00:58:31.019 --> 00:58:40.489
but no, it's like just following
the characters dayday life. I would

641
00:58:40.650 --> 00:58:49.170
recommend laid back camp, laidback Cam
camp, Oh, camp, okay,

642
00:58:51.369 --> 00:58:58.079
and I would recommend as well Hyoka, which is h why? Oh,

643
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:07.880
you K K A. and what
is that? It's just a slice of

644
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:16.070
life. High School Shenanigan's okay.
The laidback camp is just it's pretty much

645
00:59:16.789 --> 00:59:24.019
an anime about camping. Well,
I'm sure to check them out because if

646
00:59:24.019 --> 00:59:28.619
they're cookie recommend, they're probably pretty
good. I do take you as a

647
00:59:28.659 --> 00:59:39.650
professional and a TV show it I
would recommend. Let's see, nothing comes

648
00:59:39.650 --> 00:59:44.969
to mind. No worries, but
I'm thinking of one. But I'm thinking

649
00:59:45.010 --> 00:59:54.159
if there's another one I would recommend, I think I would probably recommend Bow

650
00:59:54.239 --> 01:00:00.840
Jack Horsemen. Oh, I love
that show. Yeah, yeah, actually

651
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.840
hitting on real, real subjects,
but in a cartoon way, so it

652
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.309
makes it more accessible. I like, Oh, that's brilliant, actually really

653
01:00:07.309 --> 01:00:15.349
brilliant. Yeah, now, as
a avid twitch viewer as well, do

654
01:00:15.429 --> 01:00:19.510
you have any games, maybe not
necessarily speed games even, but that you

655
01:00:19.789 --> 01:00:27.940
love to watch but you don't really
see yourself playing or running and which I

656
01:00:28.059 --> 01:00:36.050
don't really like consume? Like casual
streamers, I'm pretty much, I think

657
01:00:36.090 --> 01:00:42.050
I say ninety five percent of times, like even nice. Seven percent of

658
01:00:42.130 --> 01:00:49.010
times I'm watching speed runs, and
those, those utter three percent. It's

659
01:00:49.170 --> 01:00:55.000
just from like eater people that I
people that I follow it at speed on.

660
01:00:55.079 --> 01:01:00.119
They are like playing a casual game. Yeah, or I think I'm

661
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:09.670
actually only following like one casual channel, but that's actually that's kind of cool.

662
01:01:10.389 --> 01:01:14.469
I almost wish I could have like
categories and lists so it's not my

663
01:01:14.590 --> 01:01:16.590
fall list all consumed with things because, like sometimes I do, I just

664
01:01:16.710 --> 01:01:20.980
love won't be in my melee mood. Sometimes I won't watch be other times

665
01:01:21.019 --> 01:01:24.980
I just want to support the homies. It's all just mash into one and

666
01:01:25.179 --> 01:01:29.739
unfortunately, sadly, most of the
time for the speed homies, I just

667
01:01:29.820 --> 01:01:31.659
have to scroll down, which is
like okay, well, you know,

668
01:01:31.780 --> 01:01:35.449
okay, we're on our way up, boys, we're on our way up.

669
01:01:36.010 --> 01:01:42.050
We're getting there. MMM. Actually, is like analytics something that you

670
01:01:42.289 --> 01:01:46.440
think about, because, I mean, I know you, you're definitely on

671
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:52.679
the path to partner. I could
see it in the future for you,

672
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:58.000
for sure. I don't care,
like it's no, I don't care.

673
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:04.030
It's a lie, like obviously I
care, but like I don't care enough

674
01:02:04.710 --> 01:02:09.989
to like grind that gain that like
famous game that draws more viewers. Yeah,

675
01:02:10.030 --> 01:02:15.739
yeah, I really don't care about
that. Like I usually when I

676
01:02:15.820 --> 01:02:21.300
stream, I always have my viewer
count like hidden for me. So I

677
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:25.860
don't care about that. Definitely sounds
like a lot healthier of an approach for

678
01:02:25.980 --> 01:02:32.090
sure. Yeah, like the only
times I see my viewer account is like

679
01:02:32.170 --> 01:02:36.489
when I go rate someone, it's
always shows you the message, Oh,

680
01:02:36.530 --> 01:02:42.849
you're rating this person with this much
viewers, or sometimes I go to like

681
01:02:43.650 --> 01:02:50.880
the stream analytic at the end.
Yeah, I like, I of course

682
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:57.559
I always like to see numbers like
increasing by the day. Yeah, but

683
01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:02.789
it's definitely not a thing that I
worry about, like with crash, for

684
01:03:04.829 --> 01:03:07.829
of course, currently is like the
game that for me draws more people.

685
01:03:10.429 --> 01:03:20.699
Say, with ACG I was probably
averaging around fifty people. With one of

686
01:03:20.860 --> 01:03:24.739
six, even more actually, which
is crazy to me, because how anybody

687
01:03:24.739 --> 01:03:29.690
can watch the whole thing's like numerica. It doesn't make sense, but somehow

688
01:03:29.730 --> 01:03:34.210
it just does. Yeah, and
like now that I'm not running crap for

689
01:03:35.010 --> 01:03:40.880
it's like I'm I'm sadder that I
don't get to play crush for then I

690
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:47.639
am sad that I might viewer count
drops. I. Yeah, that's I

691
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.199
think everybody kind of eventually, if
you do decide to bounce around, comes

692
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:58.590
to that realization that your own happiness
comes first. Like, I'm not gonna

693
01:03:58.590 --> 01:04:01.550
lie, I I got very happy
with growth, especially when I wasn't going

694
01:04:01.590 --> 01:04:04.510
to school or anything like. I
was like I just want to do hollnight

695
01:04:04.510 --> 01:04:09.869
randomizers because they do well and I
saw potentially it doing very well, or

696
01:04:09.909 --> 01:04:14.260
dark soul stuff, like dark soul's
did really well for me now and I

697
01:04:14.460 --> 01:04:15.579
just can't. I don't know,
if I'm not feeling it, I'm not

698
01:04:15.619 --> 01:04:19.380
going to do it. Yeah,
like the I think. I'm like,

699
01:04:20.659 --> 01:04:27.369
I'm not sad that that my viewer
account dropped, but I'm actually happy that,

700
01:04:27.489 --> 01:04:30.449
like, I'm streaming this game.
Like my splits are empty. So

701
01:04:30.610 --> 01:04:36.570
like this is my very first few
runs and there's like I actually checked for

702
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:42.440
yesterday when I stream toloy story two. I have like twenty people, but

703
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:50.440
like I'm happy that, but this
is many people stick around for that and

704
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.710
yeah, that's always cool. You
really you know who your real ones are

705
01:04:54.869 --> 01:04:58.309
when that happens. Yeah, I
definitely, I think, maybe because I

706
01:04:58.389 --> 01:05:00.869
did it myself and especially leaving nst
for the first time, it's kind of

707
01:05:00.909 --> 01:05:04.869
scary to switch categories, like what
if zero people show up, that kind

708
01:05:04.909 --> 01:05:08.900
of thing, and so I try
and hook up or at least say hey

709
01:05:09.099 --> 01:05:13.579
to the boys that are trying new
things. Yeah, I think the only

710
01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:21.010
the only like way that I would
be more interested in like the number of

711
01:05:21.090 --> 01:05:27.170
viewers I have is is if I
was like super close. Oh Yeah,

712
01:05:27.210 --> 01:05:30.889
I'm sure, Seventy Five, seventy
time point two kind of thing. Yeah,

713
01:05:30.889 --> 01:05:38.440
I'm sitting at five thousand and forty. I'm not going now. It'd

714
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.400
be cool. I want all of
all of the good, good, good

715
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.400
runners. So pretty much, I
think on my radar right now for people

716
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.320
that I was like all they are
very deserving, both because of personality and

717
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:50.190
achievement, like you and logic both. I'm like, I wish you're both

718
01:05:50.230 --> 01:05:58.030
partnered right now, soon, tm. I think you guys kind of inspirational,

719
01:05:58.150 --> 01:06:03.460
both on grindset, mindset and also
just like chill ability. Do you

720
01:06:03.539 --> 01:06:08.780
have anybody that you like, I'm
not going to say model yourself off of,

721
01:06:08.980 --> 01:06:12.820
but you like the way they present
themselves, someone that you kind of

722
01:06:12.860 --> 01:06:15.980
look up to as either runner or
a streamer, pretty much anything in that

723
01:06:15.099 --> 01:06:30.010
ballpark? Um, I look up
to the top of my head. Actually,

724
01:06:30.210 --> 01:06:35.519
can tre Carol Gaffy Taffy. Thank
you. I know, like I'm

725
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:45.400
like I have to say like,
unfortunately, like thumb runners that I know

726
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:51.670
like get really discouraged by like,
Oh, I lost like a minute on

727
01:06:51.789 --> 01:07:00.429
this segment. HMM. Actually,
now that I'm thinking of probably Hypno Shark,

728
01:07:00.909 --> 01:07:06.219
because he's, as some of you
know, like he's grinding for like

729
01:07:06.500 --> 01:07:14.980
forty, the mythical forty eight,
and and crashing racing and like when he's

730
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:19.570
just when he's having like quote unquote, bad runs, as in it can't

731
01:07:19.809 --> 01:07:26.369
world record, like as soon as
he finishes the run, he's just he's

732
01:07:26.449 --> 01:07:32.440
not the motivated at all. He's
like this just shows, like my abilities

733
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:39.199
like this is like ten away from, let's say, let this is ten

734
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:43.599
away from world record, and I
lost fifteen here, I lost five here.

735
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:48.030
So and he just gets super motivated. Oh Yeah, except instead of

736
01:07:48.070 --> 01:07:53.710
getting the motivated by errors he did, he gets motivated by them because like

737
01:07:53.909 --> 01:07:58.429
Oh, I did this and I
still got this time. I think that's

738
01:07:58.469 --> 01:08:01.780
a yeah, definitely a better way
to look at things. I find myself

739
01:08:01.780 --> 01:08:05.579
a little guilty sometimes too, and
not not as of like the past few

740
01:08:05.619 --> 01:08:10.860
months, because I don't think I've
taken myself as seriously. But yeah,

741
01:08:10.940 --> 01:08:15.329
it's easy to get discouraged from speed
running, especially when you start to reach

742
01:08:15.369 --> 01:08:18.449
those plateaus, and world record,
it turns out, is hard to beat.

743
01:08:18.649 --> 01:08:29.119
So imagine at the top level it's
even worse. But that is about

744
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.000
all I have for you. Is
there anything you want to let the people

745
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:36.279
know where to find you? Stuff
like that. You can find me at

746
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:42.909
twitch DOT TV. Cookie Navel,
it's an a, it's not an E.

747
01:08:43.390 --> 01:08:48.430
MMM MMM, bellmi's, it's not
belly button, please. And of

748
01:08:48.550 --> 01:08:53.109
course the links for his socials will
be in the description. You can also

749
01:08:53.109 --> 01:08:58.619
see his name right under his camera
if you're a video video person. Anyway,

750
01:08:58.619 --> 01:09:00.979
thank you so much for being on
cookie. Yeah, thanks for having

751
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:05.539
me. Was a very much big
pleasure. Well, of course, glad

752
01:09:05.619 --> 01:09:10.409
to have you all right, take
care of everybody. See You, hopefully

753
01:09:10.729 --> 01:09:13.369
in two weeks if I keep to
schedule. Huh,