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Forget about legacy media, but you also have to be
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very very discerning when you listen to supposedly alternative media.
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And the key thing to understand, just like with legacy media,
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it's exactly the same who is funding them?
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Where's the money coming from? Like, who's funding them? Right?
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If they take money from like you know, people with
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certain agendas, right, like you know, like the Wellness company
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or certain people who want to push multipolarism and say that,
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like you know, China are the good guys now or
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maybe they're not the good guys or who knows what
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you know?
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Hello and welcome. I'm Zara Setna and this is Collapse Life.
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Please make sure you're subscribed to this channel to get
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notifications about all our latest interviews. If the last decade
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have taught us anything it's that the boundary between fiction
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and reality is becoming increasingly blurred. From dystopian films to
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viral Netflix shows. We often see ideas like digital currencies,
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biometric ideas, and AI driven governance appear in fiction years
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before they show up in policy discussions. So are these
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works of fiction simply creative storytelling or are they part
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of a broader ecosystem of narrative shaping and mind control.
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Today we're joined by Michael Ginsburg. He's a contrarian thinker,
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technologist and founder of Actionable Truth and independent media platform
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in Australia. Michael, Welcome. We've still been looking forward to
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speaking with you.
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Hi, Zara, Thanks for having me.
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It's great to have you.
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Just for those in our audience who aren't familiar with
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you in your work, do you want to give a
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really quick summary of your background?
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Yeah, okay, So my background is in technology.
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Did a lot of basically work my ti adult life
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in technology, did a lot of roles including technology consulting,
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worked for two of the big four consulting firms. So
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really was like, you know, in the belly of the beast.
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Before obviously I realized that there is a beast, so
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so been around in that space for for a long time.
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I had, I guess, an awakening, my own awakening moment
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during COVID that kind of came quite late, came towards
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the mid middle of twenty twenty one.
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Uh And and.
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Once I've had that, it's kind of like, you know,
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one of the things that I found personally lacking for
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me for my own personal needs was kind of like
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a solution based uh, independent media.
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So basically like instead of like.
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You know, telling me, okay, well we're all going to
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be a slave, We're all gonna be that, we're all
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gonna die.
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See you next week. Okay, well what are we gonna do?
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Like how can we stop this? Right?
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So that's kind of where the idea for my my
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own platform came came from, because I just couldn't find content.
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Uh that kind of served my my needs in that space.
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And that's why it's called actionable truth, right, So I
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always and to focus on on the actionable part and
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obviously make sure that it is the truth. Uh. And
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that's kind of kind of how I got into this space.
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So when I guess, when I had when I started,
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when I launched the platform, so I did a two
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part series where I explained kind of my own personal
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journey to awakening, right, Uh, two pretty pretty detailed articles
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people can go and read.
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It's the oldest ones on my website. Uh.
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And and the second part of that, right, I kind
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of touched into a lot of I guess, the predictive programming,
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the the the narrative management that has been happening really
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for years like you know, decades in pretty much all
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like you know, mass media be like you know, music,
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big TV, big movies, like I mean, Hollywood is like
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you know, d like you know, the top thing, the
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top dog when it comes to that sort of stuff.
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So I kind of like, you know, that was kind
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of really my big realization that what it's been happening
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has kind of been foretold for a very very long time,
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and in quite a like in your face kind of way.
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We just, I guess, until it actually happens in real life,
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you don't realize that they've been telling you that this
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is coming right and and very much in your face.
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So yeah, that that's kind of I guess brings us
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to the topic of this conversation.
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Yeah.
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Perfect. First of all, I love your work.
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I think it's great, and I do love the you
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focus on solutions or that's that's at the heart of
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why you started your platform, because even though Collapse Life
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sounds a little bleak, that's also our motivation is to
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help people understand what's going on, because you can be
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more in control when you're actually aware of things, and
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we always try to focus our conversations around what people
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can do actionable steps that people can take. And it's
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getting harder and harder to ask those questions in these
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interviews because you know, we're in it now, and more
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and more people are like, well, I'm not sure if
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there's any more we can do. But funnily enough, on
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a live stream just a couple of days ago, somebody
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typed in a comment where they accused us of being
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toxically optimistic.
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So I don't know. I don't know if maybe people
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are actually to.
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Be optimistic, they're toxically optimistic than pessimistic. But the most
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important thing is to also be a realist, right we
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need to, And that's what I kind of try and
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mentioned in a lot of the other interviews that I've
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done on pretty much every topic.
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It doesn't matter. I always comes to the same point.
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If we don't get our shit together right and actually
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start doing what is necessary to stop the agenda, it's
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not gonna stop. If all we're gonna do is just
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like you know, pray and argue almost ourselves, then things
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are not gonna change. And and and and like you know,
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if if we think that things are pretty bad now,
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we haven't seen nothing yet, right, so so we the
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optimistic side is we can absolutely stop that, absolutely without
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a shad over doubt. But we need to do the
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right thing, and we need to do it now. The
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window of opportunity is closing. And if we continue on
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the path that we are on, and I'm talking about
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we as India way, I'm not even talking about like
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you know, the NORMI is that you know, the brain
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a booster, forget about them. But if we continue with that,
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with what we're doing, on the path that we are
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on right now and fighting among ourselves over nonsense and
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focusing on things that don't matter right now, things are
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gonna be really bad and there is really no to
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be optimistic about it.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you.
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So back to our topic at hand, in terms of
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predictive programming, I wanted to have.
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You maybe just define your view on what.
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That is because a lot of people who may hear
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that term may immediately start thinking, oh, here's a bunch
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of conspiracy theorists.
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So let's talk a little bit about that.
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And then the next thing that kind of popped up
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in my mind, and they're sort of related, is once
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you started seeing this pattern, do you ever look back
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at sort of classic movies now and say, what were
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they trying to tell us with the Wizard of Oz
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or the Manchurian candidate so over to you.
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Yeah. So, so.
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I'm not going to use like, you know, the the
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the the dictionary definition anyone can look that up or
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like you no, predictive programming. Here's here's one way, and
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I'm gonna use like a movie to explain that, which
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I think I think is kind of fits in our conversation.
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Think about Inception, right, if any you want to see
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the movie Inception. Predictive programming is inception, except of, like,
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you know, it's not like people who like, you know,
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hack your brain, Well, it's not yet, right and and
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and literally forcefully plant an idea in your head and
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make it make you believe that it is your own idea, right,
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That's what happens in Inception.
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It's the kind of like, you know, present an idea.
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To you, right, and and and it's an idea that
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is repeated, like the repetition is the key here, right,
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So it's.
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Repeated again and again and again in multiple.
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Ways to multiple angles, right, to make you kind of like,
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you know, uh, come around to the idea that this
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is within the realm of possibility or maybe this is
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even a good idea, or maybe this is a desired outcome.
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I mean, like you know, simple example would be like
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you know, the alien agenda, right, I mean that's been
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going on since like in a world of the world,
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and like, you know, I don't know when was that,
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like you know, the thirties, the forties.
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Right, uh And and I mean that was that was
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at the time. It wasn't even prettive programming.
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It freaked people out when like you know, the actual
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radio broadcast came out, Like people started running. They thought, like, literally,
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we're being invaded for Mars, like you know for Mars,
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and and obviously age you well's it's like, you know,
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he's made you major globalist.
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So they've been doing it for a long time.
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So I guess the best way for people to understand
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I guess my take on predictive programming is think inception
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without the guys.
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That like you know, go into your brain and.
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Hack it, right, So just dropping hints, telling stories. That
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is it to just prime us to normalize a thing
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or is it to make us.
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Look another way?
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Because if we actually see something in real life that
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we've seen in fiction, we may say I don't know.
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That can't be real because I saw it in a
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movie sometimes like or is it the opposite that, like
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that must be real because I saw it in a movie.
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Yeah. So so there's two aspects of that.
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So for a long time I always thought that, like
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I thought that like you know, uh uh, predictive programming
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was the primary thing or sorry, it's the only thing, right,
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And I still think it is the primary thing, right,
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it is the primary thing. But there's another element once
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I started like in researching, because the other side, like
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not the enemy, like the real enemy as I like
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to refer to them. They have their own belief system
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religion if you want to call it, right, I mean,
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uh uh, you know, if people want to, like, you know,
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look more into that, i'd recommend like in the series
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by Bill Cooper, Mystery of Babylon, where it goes to
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like you know, that's where it really goes back as
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far back as it goes. But one of the core
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beliefs or dogmas that they have within their religion, and
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we're talking about like really the all those oldest people,
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like you know, the ones we've been doing it, you
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know since the Dawn of Men is revelation of the method. Now,
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what is the idea behind the revelation of the method?
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There is like you know, from their perspective, there's a
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deep spiritual religious aspe back to that.
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And what what is the aspect they believe that there they.
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Will be protected like they have they will have karma
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protection or their karma will be they will be protected
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from karma. Right if they indicate in advance what they
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are planning to do right now. As their religion evolved
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over the years, it wasn't it didn't like it evolved
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from just being a nice thing to do or like
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an important thing to do. It is mandatory, right, It's
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It's as mandatory as like you know, Jews and Muslims
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are not.
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Allowed to eat pork. It is mandatory.
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So you must tell your victim what you're gonna do
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to them before you do it.
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But you're allowed to use symbology. You're allowed to use
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like you know, hints, you don't just.
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Correct subliminal methoding, so you don't have to come out
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and say straight away.
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And then what happens. There's two options.
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Either your victim understands what they're planning, what you're planning
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to do, and stops you. If they don't understand or
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understand but fail to stop you, well that's on them, right,
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So they're protected because then they're fulfilled literally their religious obligation.
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To reveal the method.
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So that's the other aspect that is very very important
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for that and all the mass media, right, especially entertainment
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industry in all its forms, but especially like you know,
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TV and movies.
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This is what it's useful.
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Right, So I say, now, like you know that Hollywood,
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the primary objective of Hollywood is not entertainment.
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It's not even to make money. The primary objective why Hollywood.
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Was created, the reason why it was created is to
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fulfill that religious obligation.
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Interesting, so by that definition, then and everything is predictive
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in some form or conditioning in some form. Because if
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if everything that's being produced in Hollywood is some form
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of revelation of the method, then all stories that are
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calming out are.
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You being used for conditioning?
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So yeah, okay, so here's the thing. So I said
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the primary purpose, okay, would be only purpose?
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It almost becomes a little bit more diabolical then, because
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then it's up to you to decide which ones, which.
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One, which ones are not and.
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Sorry, go ahead, yet just one thing.
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So when you mentioned revelation of the method, I was thinking, suddenly,
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on social media, I'm seeing a lot of videos and
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they're across YouTube and they're years old, but suddenly I'm
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seeing them. These so called magicians or lists or you know,
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really like master influencers doing these videos where they show
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people how you can be subliminally influenced. So we just
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saw one recently with Ben Stiller and he's playing basketball
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and the person he's playing with is asking him a
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bunch of questions and then they have these cards on
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the court and when they flip them over, it's all
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the answers that he gave off the top of his head.
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There's another one where they're bringing a woman through a
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toy store in London and then they ask her a
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bunch of questions and they show then how there were
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all these things along the way from the minute she
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walked into that store that conditioned her or primed her
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to give the answers that she gave, which was, you know,
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giraffe and the number sixty one or whatever. I'm making
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this up, but these are all videos that show and
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when you watch them, you go you're Oh my goodness,
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look at that. Look how that subliminally influenced. But they're
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telling you how it's done in a way.
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What we need to understand, right, So there's two aspects
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of it.
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The first aspect is definitely predictive programming, like they have
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to normalize like certain things that are about to happen
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because they know that they're about to happen. So it's
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like you know, shifting the overturned window, right, But.
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That's another thing.
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So that's the more I guess the primary reason because
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I guess not everyone on the other side has the
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same religion or belief system. Like, no, they're not all Satanists,
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they're not all Masons. There's definitely all those people there,
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but they're not all the same. And there's some people who,
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like you know, they don't they don't have any belief
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system or like you know, or any religion. They're just
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like you know, opportunists, right, Like they're like you know,
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low level operators, Like I mean, I doubt that, like
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you know, Bill Gates, right, has any like you know,
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religious views on anything or any spirituality whatsoever.
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Right, So, so so.
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What we need to understand that, like you know, the
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most important thing is definitely predictive to programming to move
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the overturned window. But there's other people, like I guess,
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the more higher levels, the ones that you know, you
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don't know their names, the ones that you don't talk
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about like you know every day, the ones who've been
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added for a long time. You know, there's different names.
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People use black nobility for that. Some people it doesn't
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really matter, right, They actually do have a belief system
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and they use all this mechanisms that they've created over
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like you know years centurism, and you can go as
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far back you you can say that, like you know,
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the first attempt to do that was the printing press,
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right to basically create this to fulfill this religious obligation
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that they have to protect their own comma from la
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you know, from you know, uh, getting punished for what
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they've done or what they're about to do or they
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plan to do what they want to do, you know.
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So so.
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I guess what I'm trying to say here is that
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this thing is been going on for a long time.
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But with the advancement of technology, right mass media, the internet,
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they can reach a lot more people, right, and for them,
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this is this is a lot more important because they
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can influence the entirety of society, the entirety of body
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politics a lot quicker. Right, time, time does matter, right,
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That's what I'm saying, Like, I mean, it's not just
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that we need to do the right thing, we need
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to do the right thing on time before like you know,
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the window of opportunity closes and we're all in the
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digital Google again, it doesn't really matter what we do
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or what we think, or do we like each other
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or not?
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Right, So that that's kind of where where I'm going
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with that.
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Yeah, you mentioned the term overton windows. So just for
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anyone who's watching who doesn't know what that is or
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isn't familiar with the concept, do you want to just
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quickly explain your perspective of it.
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Yeah, so I guess, I guess again, I'm not going
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to use any Addictionary definitions.
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But the idea of the overturne window.
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Is you make an idea before that was unacceptable or
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unthinkable even to something that is kind of normalized.
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Right, so now, like you know, we we can discuss
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like you know, anything, like you know, starting from like
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you know, virus no virus. The Nazis were bad, the
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Nazis were good, like you know, communism, Like now that
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there's a thing that's really started on Twitter since really
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late last year, all about like and I'm about to
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publish an article about it, all about multipularity, and all
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of a sudden, like these accounts popped out of nowhere
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where they basically present China.
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As the model.
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Yes, look, everyone is friendly, the sweets are clean, they're
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like advanced, they're more advanced by decades. They have these
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amazing trains, and they have these amazing robots, and they
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have this technology.
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They're living in twenty fifty okay, right, and then then
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claud Shwarp says, yeah, China is the model.
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So this is obviously another attempt to switch the overtone window.
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And some of them like they literally say it in
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your face, like they say, well, if them is so bad,
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fine I saw advanced or streets are so clean?
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What?
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Okay, I've seen those videos over the window.
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Absolutely, it's a perfect example.
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I've seen those videos as well, and I've also been
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thinking about writing an article about it. But yes, all
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of a sudden, out of nowhere, there's influencers, both the
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kinds of influencers that you and I might watch, and
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others who a whole different audience might watch, and they're
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all parroting the exact same line, exactly the same thing.
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Look at these high speed trains. What if we had
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high spreed trains like this in North America or in Europe?
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Or look how clean everything is. There's social credit score. No,
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not really, it's certainly not national.
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It's a conspiracy theory.
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Right, yeah, very very interesting that that's happening. And it's
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happening all of a sudden, all at once, like you know,
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all almost coordinated.
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whether these accounts are even human, right, I mean, you
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have no idea, like you spoken out of nowhere, have
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like hundreds of thousands of followers on Twitter, you don't again,
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you don't know how many of those followers are real.
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So like you can create that like in two seconds,
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I can tell you, like you know, as a tech guy,
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I mean, you can create those accounts like you know,
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by the bucket loads. Put each of them with three
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million followers. You willn't know anything any better, right, and
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they've been created literally two hours ago, you know.
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Yeah, I think it might be fun maybe to use
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some other recent examples that people might be aware of
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or might not be in and might go back and look,
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But what are some things that, now that you have
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this kind of awareness, what are some things that you've
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seen on TV or in movies or even in AD
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campaigns that really stuck out to you as being perfect Actually.
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That campaigns, I actually have something like that, really really
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good about it. And that's related directly to the age
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verification legislation that kicked it in Australia December last year.
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December ten, Australia was the first.
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Obviously, since then it has happened pretty much everywhere else.
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And and I guess, so this is an ad right
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that was released by the Each Safety Commissioner, which is like,
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you know, the the government agency that enforces this age
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verification mandates in Australia.
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And and I guess before I played.
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The interesting thing about it is how similar the talking
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points are to what was used during COVID.
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But during COVID it was like you know, protect the NHS,
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protect grammar, protect the vulnerable in our society. Here it's
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protect the children, right, and you know, for the better,
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like you know, for for for the common good, right.
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For the good of Kirsty, for the good of Lucy
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and Anya, for the good of Sam, for the good
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of Holly, for the good of Noah, for the good
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of their well being. From December ten, people under the
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age of sixteen will no longer have access to social
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media accounts. It's part of a new law to help
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keep under sixteen safer online. For more details and to
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help you prepare, go to e safety dot gov dot
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au authorized by the Istralan government.
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Camera you understand how it's done. Mm hmm.
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So Michael, if you oppose age verification on social media,
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you obviously hate Kirsty.
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You could exactly what.
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Exactly I want to expose your children to, like, you know,
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predators and pedophiles, right that that's hey, because how can
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you appoll protecting the children, right?
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How can you oppose to protecting the inn they chance?
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How can you oppost to protecting Grandma? I mean, come on,
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what kind of a human are you? Right? So you
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know what I mean? So this is not I mean,
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this is an extreme example.
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This is not really predictive programming, because the idea with
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predictive program is to do it over time, and you know,
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shifting the overturn window is a process that takes a
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long time. But this is like boom in your face.
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It's just like before that you thought, oh this is unacceptable,
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and I think, oh, well, you know, maybe maybe that's
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the right thing to do. But they just want to
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make that shift in one go because this is important.
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They need to introduce it now. It's being introduced in
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two weeks, and they need they need buying from the
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people instead of pushback.
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So they're gonna go boom, They're gonna.
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Go hard, and they're giving people almost ammunition for anyone
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who opposes it. You know, if you're riding on a
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bus and you hear someone say it, you could say, well,
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obviously we need to do this.
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We need to protect the children.
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It's bad for children, it's dangerous, and don't you care
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about childre It puts puts it into the perfect frame,
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and it's just easily delivered into their hands. Yeah, so
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it's not predictive programming. It's emotional manipulation. But they run
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across the same spectrum.
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The same thing.
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And I guess a very extreme example and that was,
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I mean something that really contributed all to my own
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personal awakening. So that's why I like mentioning it is
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the Freedom Convoy in Canada, right, oh you know Trudeau,
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and obviously he's like, you know, he's just a puppet.
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But Freeland was really running the show Christia Freeland, right,
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I mean, they presented those people as neo Nazis, an
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extreme ride far right, and like you know, they want
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to overthrow the government. They want to like you know,
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create a fascist dictatorship something like that. And okay, well
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there's like Indian people there, and there's like you know, Muslims,
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and there's like people of all walks of life.
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You see like you know, you see a sea guy
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with a turban. I'm far right, okay, you know you
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know what I mean.
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It's cosy castles and hot cocoa.
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I mean, it's not exactly what you picture when you
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picture a fascist far right movement exactly.
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trackers were there, they were already in the capitol, and
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it was gaining traction.
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response from the government came, people even like complete like
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you know, normally.
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This is the point where I definitely realized that something
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else was going on, right, so they needed.
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To act fast. So this is I guess. I guess.
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a very in your face, not like you know, that's
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not shifting the overturned window gradually, but like dragging it,
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kicking and screaming in two seconds.
492
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Yeah, and you recognize it now because you're more sensitive
493
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I think, to reading under the subtext or reading under
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under the surface and reading the subject and knowing why
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things are being framed in a certain way. But it
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hits you like a punch in the face, and others
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may just go yeah, of course, course, of.
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Course, exactly.
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So I guess a more refined example, and I mean
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I can provide a lot, but a more I guess
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gradual example of or I guess predictive programming will be.
502
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I would refer to that as predictive programming. I'm not
503
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gonna take too much.
504
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I don't know. If you've seen the show.
505
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Before, do you want to know what happens next?
506
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It was released on Amazon at the beginning of twenty twenty.
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Your father created a world changing, not world ending, A
508
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.839
world changing, world improving omnivirus, right, and we have taken
509
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that virus and embedded in the vaccine of the S
510
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TURNS flu.
511
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I know it.
512
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So I don't know if you've seen that before. I
513
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don't know if the audience have seen that before, but
514
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I mean.
515
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No, you got me on that one. Wow.
516
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.880
Yeah. So that's a show. It's Amazon original. It's called You.
517
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I believe it was made in twenty nineteen, but was
518
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released in early twenty twenty.
519
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M not marking D.
520
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Except I guess to say that that narrative of like
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you know that the population, infertility, population collapse and all
522
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.079
that sort of stuff, it's not actually that.
523
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New at all. Right, So if you want another example
524
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of the same thing, but.
525
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I want to let me pause you on this one
526
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for one second because it brings up a thought for me.
527
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.240
So the guy is there, he's.
528
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Telling this group of people about this thing that they've done.
529
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They're horrified. They obviously don't think that what he's telling
530
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them is a good thing.
531
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So he's portrayed as the bad guy.
532
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.720
So if you're watching this in twenty nineteen, before the pandemic,
533
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let's say you're going to relate more to the people
534
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in the room, not the guy sitting on the cap
535
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telling about this evil plot.
536
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.880
So how how does that work psychologically?
537
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Because then when it really does happen in real life,
538
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all those people standing in the room are.
539
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The same people who are like, oh, we all got
540
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to go get.
541
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Our shots because we got to you know, protect our community.
542
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.720
So how does that switch happen that the very same
543
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people who are watching this show on Netflix would be horrified,
544
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.720
but when it happens in real life they roll up
545
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their arms.
546
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:38.440
Excellent question. Excellent question. So, the way I think about it,
547
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two things.
548
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I think the primary purpose of this particular show is
549
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revelation of the method for this is to provide the
550
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.720
luck you know, the comic protection. Right that that is
551
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:58.160
definitely the primary purpose of that, and not a prominent
552
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.680
example I think for revelation of them or where that's
553
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:05.200
the primary purpose is the Matrix series, especially the first one, right,
554
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.480
So so that that that is the primary thing.
555
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:13.720
The secondary thing, I guess is to kind of like
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you know.
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Think that like you know, not shift the overturn window,
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but kind of to indicate to people that there are
559
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some people who think that, like you know, human reproduction
560
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is bad like you know, humans, humans are a disease.
561
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They are like a plague on the earth, right, So
562
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that that's kind of like you know, where people don't
563
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necessarily have to agree with that, But the way it
564
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.720
works is like repetition, right, repetition, repetition, repetition, And even
565
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if you don't agree with the idea, it starts kind
566
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of like entering your head.
567
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.559
So this is like inception. The whole idea with inception
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is like you know, I mean if if you've seen the.
569
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Movie, it's not to like put ideas in the guy's
570
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head that he's like you know, is agreeing with it,
571
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is to put ideas in his head that are against it,
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like you know, best interest, but he make it think
573
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that it was his ideas right, right, So I put
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an idea in your head, but you don't realize that,
575
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like you know, someone hacked your.
576
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Brain and put an idea in your in your head.
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You think, oh, I came up with that, but you're
578
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.759
okay with it because it was your idea, right, But
579
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that that's.
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You rationalize yourself around it, even if you start to think, oh,
581
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maybe I was wrong, maybe I'm made a mistake.
582
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:20.720
You you we have.
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00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:26.480
This amazing ability, unbelievable ability to be able to rationalize
584
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things and go no, no, no, no. I needed to do
585
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.519
this because of that. And therefore and there you know,
586
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.079
and you you you make yourself very quickly comfortable with
587
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.519
the decision that you made, because it's easier than going
588
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.880
back and admitting that you were wrong necessarily exactly.
589
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.119
And I'm not gonna play that. But I mean, this
590
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is from a movie. Right.
591
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.359
There is this famous interview with Dennis Meadows, right, one
592
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of the founders of the Club of Rome, right, where
593
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.519
he says that like, you know, I mean, are humans,
594
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like you know, a lock will need to die, like
595
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you know, if we do you're bright.
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Like maybe a million will die, you know, or like
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I want to do it in a peaceful.
598
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Way, like you know, not violent, but like I want
599
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I want it to happen without violence, but I want
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most of you to die. Like he says that it
601
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.839
is not a movie, this is a real interview. Yes, right,
602
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.559
So this is not like an idea, So this is
603
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a movie. Okay, people, Oh this is just an Amazon movie.
604
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But there's a guy and this is not just some guy, right,
605
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I mean, this is the guy who like on a
606
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.119
co author The Limits to Growth, Right, I mean this
607
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.160
is this is a major like you know, globalist like
608
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you no thinker, right on the level of I don't know,
609
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you've a right, maybe even more so.
610
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He's telling you to your face this is like, you know,
611
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there's too many of you. We need to do something.
612
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.599
Yeah, right, yeah, So this is.
613
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.279
This is I mean, you can say this is shifting
614
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.440
the overturn we do, but it's primarily like you know,
615
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.359
say like, look we can, We're gonna do this.
616
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Yeah.
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00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:54.119
And so the one that you just showed, Utopia, I
618
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haven't seen it, but even just from that short clip
619
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that you just played, it seems pretty clearly written in
620
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.759
terms of the sort of black and white narrative that
621
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.200
most people can understand when they're passively watching TV. There's
622
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.960
another example that both you and I wrote about on
623
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:18.039
our respective platforms called Years and Years, which is a
624
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:21.279
multi part series that also came out I think in
625
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.920
twenty nineteen. I typically don't watch these things ever, or
626
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.119
certainly not at the time that they come out, so
627
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.400
this one came to me a couple of years later.
628
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.359
But I remember.
629
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.680
One scene that I had seen a clip of around
630
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:43.160
the time it came out where there's a young woman
631
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.000
who wants to have a conversation with her parents. She
632
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:51.839
just so has be biracial, which is just another this series.
633
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.480
We'll talk about it. It's so much more subtle than
634
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.039
the Utopia. There's so many things going on. Some of
635
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.119
them are in your face, some of them are really subtle.
636
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.400
So this young biracial teenage girl wants to have an
637
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.799
uncomfortable conversation with her parents. The parents are preparing themselves
638
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.880
for it, and they think that she's going to come
639
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.440
out and say she's gay, and they're okay with that,
640
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:21.160
and we love you and we still accept you, okay. Yeah,
641
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.119
And it turns out she doesn't want to. She just
642
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.359
doesn't want to be human anymore. She's she wants to
643
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:28.880
become transhuman.
644
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.400
Yeah, if you want, I can play that or we
645
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:33.680
can do okay, all right.
646
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.880
I'm not comfortable with my body, so I want to
647
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.240
get rid of it, this thing, or the arms and
648
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.599
legs and every single bit of it. I don't want
649
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.279
to be flesh. I'm really sorry, but I'm going to
650
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.799
escape this thing have become digital.
651
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:56.279
Yeah, and I mean this is this is definitely not
652
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.279
so much revelation of the method, but definitely more on
653
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.799
the predictive programming shifting the overturn window thing, because I
654
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.480
know that people are aware of that, but like getting
655
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.720
rid of like you know, the flesh, like you know
656
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.160
the human body, Like that's that's a real thing, right,
657
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:18.160
and that's in transhumanism, like for real, this is like
658
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.039
the endgame, Like this is the utopia. And there's a
659
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.920
name for that. They have a name for it. It's
660
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:26.920
called this embodiment. The reason why it is the utopia.
661
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.359
There's a few people. I think there's I think a
662
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.400
lady by the name of maybe Jennifer Bilek.
663
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:33.559
I think she wrote about it.
664
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:38.200
She's that she's been on clubs Life. Yeah, she's wonderful.
665
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.279
So she she wrote extensively about like explaining like it
666
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.400
is a proper idea, like they genuinely believe in that,
667
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.319
like you know Ari's book Homodure, Like you know a
668
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.359
man who is like gold. Why why are they like gold?
669
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.240
Because they never die? They live in the cloud. This embodiment,
670
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.799
it's a real thing, right. I Mean you can also
671
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.480
say that transgender agenda tizing to that, because once you
672
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.640
get rid of like you know, the differences between a
673
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.039
man and a woman, and you don't know what a
674
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:08.159
man and a woman and just.
675
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.800
Thirty genders will then just get rid of the whole
676
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.400
thing together. The body doesn't matter, will make babies and testubes.
677
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:20.440
The other little hint that they dropped there is one
678
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.800
day there'll be clinics in Switzerland where you can do this. Well,
679
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.639
today there already are clinics in Switzerland for a different purpose,
680
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.880
for euthanasia. And that's another topic that has now become
681
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:36.760
squarely in the Overton window. We can talk about it,
682
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.639
and in fact, opposing it in many countries is again
683
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:42.639
you know, you're considered heartless and.
684
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:45.559
Stuck in the past.
685
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.480
If you think that people shouldn't be able to choose
686
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:53.400
to have medically assisted dying. So that really kind of
687
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.239
leap frogs because as you watch that, if you put
688
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.960
yourself back into twenty nineteen, before we started having all
689
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.960
of these conversations, if you put yourself in twenty nineteen,
690
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.159
you would watch that there was a little bit of
691
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.519
futurism in there where she has this filter that she
692
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.119
can switch on in real life, not just on her
693
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.559
phone app, but the viewer very much identifies with the
694
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.480
parents who are just trying to keep up and be
695
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.360
compassionate and am I using the right words here?
696
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.320
And I still love you?
697
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.960
And you know you really feel for the parent who
698
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.119
is just struggling to cope and be a good person
699
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.559
in this And this is I think in just the
700
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:39.119
early episodes of this series, which goes along and it
701
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:45.559
waxy with so many different narratives at once, bank rushes, populism,
702
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.719
the migrant issue, gay marriage.
703
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.400
Disabilities. I mean, it's just right, you can make a list.
704
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.159
Yeah, So, I mean that's why I said I think
705
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.800
I said in my post and I still believe that
706
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.039
so so years and Years is an extreme example.
707
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:07.880
It's kind of like the matrix. Right.
708
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.039
Years and Years is an extreme example because it is
709
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:15.239
not just predictive programming or revelation of the method.
710
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:16.360
It is an.
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00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.079
Actual program of work that has been dramatized. So basically,
712
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.400
you take a document from the Rockefeller Foundation, right, assign
713
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:29.000
it in like roles, put actors, put a director, put
714
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.079
a writer. In this case, his name is Russell T. Davis, Right,
715
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.719
the same guy who's like behind doctor who just for
716
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.760
so people understand, right, and basically presented because nobody's going
717
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:41.920
to read a document, right, they're not going to fulfill
718
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.639
their obligation, right, and they're not going to normalize that
719
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.599
by someone reading like a dry like a report, fifty
720
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:52.840
page report from the Rockefeller Foundation, right, so they dramatize
721
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.280
it to you. They tell you, ind they tell you
722
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.480
exactly what they're gonna do. They tell you that in
723
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.639
the order that is going to happen, like literally the
724
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.519
six episodes, and you can tell like you know exactly
725
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.480
what's happening in each episode, right the UK. Literally right now,
726
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.320
they are towards the end of episode two and the
727
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.599
start of episode three, and I can I can show
728
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.480
you look what's happening, what's happening at the beginning of
729
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.039
episode three if you want, m all right, let's do that.
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00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.199
Tensions are high, with the major parties keeping an eye
731
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on the full style parties.
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Wild can't vote.
733
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I think it might be a little bit tipsy.
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I haven't even voted yet. I'll be squiffy. I'll probably
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take the wrong box.
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This is British wine for British people, and what it.
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Deserves is tax breaks and subsidized transports.
738
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You can't raise taxes.
739
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I'll impose a tariff on wines from abroad. Let them
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pay false facts every day?
741
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Do you know where you can find the truth?
742
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Right here? Fast start channel. God help us. We're the
743
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only ones.
744
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God help us indeed now So I mean, I don't know,
745
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.719
some people really need things to be spelled out for
746
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them because they just don't get it right. So four
747
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Star Party right could be any I mean, initially I
748
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thought it was reformed. Reform is obviously self destructing, right,
749
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.199
so it's obviously like I mean farage and all that,
750
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.559
that's a farce right any any Like, I mean I
751
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.519
think most people were like, we're even planning to vote
752
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for them, They're kind of move on from that, right.
753
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It's basically a Torris Live or Toys b or whatever.
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00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.280
So now you have this new pair, both of them
755
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heavily supported by Elon Mask right also supported the AfD
756
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party in Germany, so you.
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Have uh uh.
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Restore Britain right, and the other one was Ben Habib,
759
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so basically he has Initially it was.
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I thought that he would be like the leading role,
761
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.199
but it's obviously now like you know, Rupert Law right
762
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.760
the head Restore Britain. That's viv, Yeah, that is viv.
763
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If you guys don't get it, now she has her
764
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own TV station. Now Rupert doesn't have his own TV station,
765
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.599
but the people who run him, right, which is an
766
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.599
entity called Legatum. Right, if people want to look into that,
767
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I've done a pretty a detailed interview on the Dogmatic
768
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podcast together with my colleague Ursula Agington, who's like, really,
769
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she's the expert on Legatum, Like I mean, I would
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say she's the world authority on the topic. Right, And
771
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.320
people can go and check this out and understand what
772
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.880
this entity is. Hm. They have this thing, this TV
773
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.679
channel that all of a sudden emerged as a pandemic
774
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started called GIBB News.
775
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.440
Right, that's the four style live, right.
776
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I need to do it because I realized that people
777
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.599
don't get it, Like even if it's like relatantly obvious
778
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.159
in your face, people don't get it. Now, just to
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00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.960
finish that point, so you know how in Utopia, right,
780
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this guy said people are upset by they need to
781
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.679
know what happens next? Would you like to know what
782
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:05.599
happens next? Again for the benefit of people? Again from
783
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.760
like you know, years and years, but that's I believe
784
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episode four. So do you want to know what happens next?
785
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:13.000
Let me show you what happens next.
786
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As twenty twenty nine begins, the charter for the British
787
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Broadcasting Corporation has been withdrawn.
788
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The BBC is now closed.
789
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Sage, thank you, good night and good luck.
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A journalist has been from Journey Street. After challenging the
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Prime Minister.
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It said that Russia have been funding the Four Star Party.
793
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Great news every time records of sexual harassment within four
794
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Star headquarters. Packie is heavily implied that the voting was raised.
795
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You are the enemy of the people.
796
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Is there are questions about your income tax retires.
797
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This is why journalism is dying.
798
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Missus Rucas also a million pounds to the fight against
799
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monkey flu.
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The epidemic continues to rage or an estimated one thy
801
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two hundred dead.
802
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So this is this is an extreme example.
803
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This is this is this is serious, like someone has
804
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.559
obviously put a lot of effort into that.
805
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.800
Okay, this is this is and obviously the hired like
806
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you know, uh huh, like.
807
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A happy hitter in like you know, in British television.
808
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I mean, like I'll just read briefly is bio on IMDb.
809
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So that's that's the writer Russell T. Davis, often described
810
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as a genius.
811
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Russell T.
812
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David is one of the leading British television writers of
813
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his generation, who specializes in emotional drama, frequently with gay
814
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and sex related adult themes. After graduating from Oxford University,
815
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initially took a BBC Television's director course in the nineteen
816
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eighties and briefly moved in front of the camera to
817
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present a single episode of the BBC version of Play
818
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School in nineteen eighty seven, before deciding his abilities laying
819
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production rather than presenting blah blah blah blah blah.
820
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Right, So that's Thompson and the Thompson is no small
821
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potatoes either exactly.
822
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And and I think I don't know her name.
823
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I just I could probably look it up, but uh,
824
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the grandma, like you know, the old lady there. I
825
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think she's she's a pretty heavy hitter in British television
826
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as well. Uh so, yeah, I mean this is only
827
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only only six episodes because they tell you like fast,
828
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like you know, Foster threat, what they're gonna do. And
829
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I'm not gonna like it. I'm not gonna mention what
830
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.960
happens on episode six. People are gonna can go and
831
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.800
watch for themselves. But this is a program of work.
832
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.719
This is not just predictive programming.
833
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:29.760
Absolutely.
834
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.480
They they brought a white paper to life in this
835
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six episode series, and people really do need to watch it.
836
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.800
Watch it on instead of on double speed, which we
837
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:41.920
watch most videos faster. You need to slow this one
838
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down and analyze every scene and what's happening and as
839
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.719
you said, the little details, the little subliminal notes, because
840
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there is so much packed into these six episodes, and
841
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.079
people like me didn't even know what was happening because
842
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:01.440
I don't really watch this stuff. But you're right, it
843
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.039
tells us exactly what has already happened, what's happening now,
844
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.360
and what's going to happen in the very near future.
845
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.239
We could keep going on, and I would love to say, Michael,
846
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that we should do this as a live stream so
847
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.559
that we can have an interactive discussion one day soon.
848
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.639
But I think we're coming to the close of an hour,
849
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and since we mentioned already that your solutions oriented, I
850
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.920
wanted to turn as we start to close towards some
851
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.719
discussion about what people can do. Are there signals that
852
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.159
people can look for when they're seeing narratives, whether they're
853
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.480
in fiction or in ad campaigns or in the news,
854
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.519
the so called news.
855
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.800
What signals can people be looking for to.
856
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:52.239
Indicate that they're being conditioned towards accepting something?
857
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.360
Yeah, look, I mean within you it's pretty simple, right,
858
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:57.639
just don't watch it, right, simple as that, just lack
859
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:58.320
legacy media.
860
00:43:58.360 --> 00:43:59.119
Don't worry about it.
861
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:01.800
I do have you mentioned also doing this context that
862
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Unfortunately it's a bit more complicated than that, right, I
863
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.440
thought it would just forget about legacy media, look for
864
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.480
independent media, and everything is anky, Dori. Unfortunately that's not
865
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.920
the case. That is that is certain without a shread
866
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.239
over doubt. So uh, I think I think you had
867
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.360
you had David Hues on your show a couple of
868
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:20.679
weeks ago, and he has this framework of like you
869
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:22.760
know the three camps, right, so camp one, Camp two,
870
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:27.039
Camp three. So Camp one is obviously legacy media. Camp
871
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.880
two is you know, what we call the mainstream alternative media,
872
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.400
or like you know the big names in this space,
873
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.800
which are basically exactly the same like legacy media. Right,
874
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.360
they're like literally in many cases funded by the same people. Right,
875
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.000
I mean a lot of the platforms that are supposedly
876
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:44.800
alternative media are funded by the same people. Primary examples
877
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.719
for that would be Rumble in substack. Rumbo has the
878
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.039
same corporate shareholder. Rumble is a publicly listed company. Now
879
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.000
they have exactly the same shareholders as Alphabet, exactly the
880
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.280
same people, go and look it up, right, it's.
881
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.199
The same owners. It's like pepsinco. Right. Subseack is a
882
00:44:59.199 --> 00:44:59.960
bit more complicated.
883
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.880
I've done a lot of like you know, discussions about that,
884
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:04.239
and people can go and have a look.
885
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:06.239
I've got an article on my website as well.
886
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.079
So you need to understand forget about legacy media, but
887
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:11.760
you also have to be very very discerning when you
888
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:16.559
listen to supposedly alternative media. And the key thing to understand,
889
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.679
just like with legacy media, it's exactly the same who
890
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:21.400
is funding them?
891
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.880
Where's the money coming from? Like who's funding them? Right?
892
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.400
If they take money from like you know, people with
893
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.519
certain agendas, right, like you know, like the Wellness company
894
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.360
for certain people who want to push multipolarism and say
895
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.079
that like you know, trying are the good guys now
896
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:35.880
or maybe they're not?
897
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:37.960
Are the good guys? Or who knows what you know?
898
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:42.559
So so people need to be very very legacy media
899
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:43.199
forget about it.
900
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.199
But I would say, you need to be as equally
901
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.679
discerning when you listen to alternative media, and you always
902
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.360
need to look at, Okay, who is funding them, because
903
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.840
that's where the truth lies. Right when they say they
904
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:01.440
are independent, are they really if they have advertisers? Okay,
905
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.119
who First of all, by definition they're not one percent dependent,
906
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:06.199
and then look at.
907
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.320
Who their advertisers are. Right. If the advertisers are.
908
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:12.119
The wellness company, well, I don't know, maybe, like look
909
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:13.320
at what the wellness company is.
910
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.480
And there's a lot of material about that, right, uh
911
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.280
so you need to look at that. Right if they
912
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:20.400
have investors, which is.
913
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.800
A little bit more complicated to discern because obviously they're
914
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:24.840
not going to be talking about them on air, there's
915
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.400
also another thing that is important for people to understand.
916
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:33.480
So ultimately, look, ultimately everything boils down the ultimate solution.
917
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.119
You have to think for yourself and you have to
918
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.800
check what people are telling you because they may be lying,
919
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:45.360
and maybe they may be lying even unintentionally, unwillingly, maybe
920
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.320
even unknowingly.
921
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:50.559
But you have to go and verify things for yourself.
922
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:51.679
Mm hmm.
923
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:58.000
Right, there's a there's a there's a there's a documentary, right,
924
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.840
I think it's called Europa or you or something like that.
925
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:05.079
It's like a kind of like a neo Nazi propaganda.
926
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.119
A movie that came I think it's like six Hours,
927
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.360
came out a couple of years ago. It did a
928
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.679
lot of rounds in the alternative media space, right, and
929
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:14.480
like straight up the bed, I said, look, I'll keep
930
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.199
an open mind. I'll keep an open mind. Let's see,
931
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:18.880
there's a lot of stuff that I don't know as well.
932
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.880
But within the first twenty minutes, like I mean, there's
933
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:27.320
so like many blatantly inaccurate, like patently false things that
934
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:27.920
they're saying.
935
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.000
Okay, all right, thanks guys, So you need to do that.
936
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.280
Just because it's like you know, alternative and it's counter
937
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.400
narrative doesn't mean that it's the truth.
938
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:38.280
Right.
939
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.079
So that's what people need to think about now when
940
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.159
it comes to movies and TV shows.
941
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:48.199
Look, by all means, enjoy yourself, no problem, but keep.
942
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.920
In mind that you maybe, like you know, they may
943
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.039
be trying to put ideas in your head. Same thing
944
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:56.760
goes for your children, same thing goes for like you know,
945
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:58.039
like you know, the children.
946
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.280
You can be whatever you want to be.
947
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.920
You can be if you're a girl and you don't
948
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:02.840
like it, you can be a boy.
949
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.199
If your boy you don't like it, you can be
950
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:05.760
a girl. Whatever you want to be.
951
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.400
It doesn't matter, right, all colors of the rainbow. So
952
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:12.719
people need to be aware of that. And if they
953
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.280
consume that, like you know, it's like it's like eating
954
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:17.239
eating junk food.
955
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:18.840
Right, When you eat junk food, you know it's bad
956
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.440
for you, right, so you can still eat it in moderation,
957
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.599
but you know it's bad for you.
958
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:26.039
Right, So as long as you understand that in most cases,
959
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:31.440
Hollywood definitely, definitely almost everything they put out, especially now
960
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.320
since like you know, since twenty twenty, everything they put
961
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.920
out now is to try and condition you to something
962
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.440
something right, one of the aspects of the globalist or
963
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.880
again the technocracy, all that sort of stuff.
964
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.639
Right, as long as you understand that, you still want
965
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:48.320
to consume that, knock yourself.
966
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.320
Out by all means, but just be aware and don't
967
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.800
let the inception that they're trying to do to succeed.
968
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:57.599
And even worse, don't like, you know, think for a
969
00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.760
second that maybe it is actually oh, it was actually
970
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:00.320
my idea.
971
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.599
I realized that by myself. Oh I'm not so smart.
972
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.000
I came to this realization by myself, But.
973
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.760
I understand when you're being played that that's the actable
974
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:09.719
thing that I would say from that.
975
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.320
Yeah, absolutely understand when you're being played and understand that
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narratives are being shaped and those narratives are shaping us.
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So yeah, it's it's not always easy, and the easy
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way out is to just be passive and go with
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the flow. But I don't think that anyone who's reading
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your work, or listening to you or watching this interview
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is looking for the easy way out.
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So Michael, thank you so much.
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As I said, I would love to continue this conversation
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and use more of these examples and have an interactive
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discussion and involve our audiences. So maybe we can work
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on that in the coming weeks.
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Sure, I've got plenty more where that came from.
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I know you do. I know you do.
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Before we let you go this hour, just remind people
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how they can find you and follow your work and
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more importantly, support your work.
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Sure, so the best place to go is my website.
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I'm no longer on substack, like I do post notes
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from time to time, but if you actually want to
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follow my work, go to my website, Actionable Truth dot Media.
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You can sign up there.
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There's also a lending page that you can sign up
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if that's more convenient, So it's Sendfox dot com forward
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such actionable truth, right, you.
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Can go there.
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You can also there's like a little bit of an
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archive there and obviously there's a full archive on my website.
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That way you will be across everything that I'm doing.
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Like you know, as far as support, so my website
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has two pay tiers. I have a private community that
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has a free tier and two pay tiers as well.
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I've got a merch store, so that's from the merch store,
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so there's multiple ways that you can support my work.
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I do not take sponsors. I do not take investors.
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That is a non negotiable for me, right and obviously
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limits to a loge extent my output and what I
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can do. But for me, this is a non negotiable
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for exactly the reasons that we've discussed today.
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And yeah, that's basically me.
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That's great.
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Well, I'm so glad to have you on Collapse Life. Finally,
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we've been following your work for a long time and
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I hope that this is the first of many appearances.
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Thanks for having me Sar, Thanks so much, and thanks
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to everyone who's been watching for tuning in today. If
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you are enjoying these conversations, please consider subscribing to Collapse
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We are building a community of people who are paying
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attention not just to what's happening, but to how it's
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being presented, framed, and understood, and thinking seriously about how
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to navigate within that landscape. Head over to collapselife dot
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time contribution via the donate link at the top of
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or any investors. We are homegrown and we intend to
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keep it that way. We will be back next week
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with another the conversation, and until then, be sure to
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pay attention to the stories stories you see around you
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and the space around them, and don't forget to keep
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your chin up. It's only collapse.
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See you soon.
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Forget about legacy media, but you also have to be
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very very discerning when you listen to supposedly alternative media.
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And the key thing to understand, just like with legacy media,
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it's exactly the same who is funding them?
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Where's the money coming from? Like, who's funding them? Right?
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If they take money from like you know, people with
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certain agendas, right, like you know, like the Wellness company
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or certain people who want to push multipolarism and say that,
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like you know, China are the good guys now or
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maybe they're not the good guys or who knows what
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you know?
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Hello and welcome. I'm Zara Setna and this is Collapse Life.
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Please make sure you're subscribed to this channel to get
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notifications about all our latest interviews. If the last decade
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have taught us anything it's that the boundary between fiction
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and reality is becoming increasingly blurred. From dystopian films to
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viral Netflix shows. We often see ideas like digital currencies,
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biometric ideas, and AI driven governance appear in fiction years
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before they show up in policy discussions. So are these
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works of fiction simply creative storytelling or are they part
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of a broader ecosystem of narrative shaping and mind control.
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Today we're joined by Michael Ginsburg. He's a contrarian thinker,
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technologist and founder of Actionable Truth and independent media platform
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in Australia. Michael, Welcome. We've still been looking forward to
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speaking with you.
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Hi, Zara, Thanks for having me.
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It's great to have you.
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Just for those in our audience who aren't familiar with
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you in your work, do you want to give a
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really quick summary of your background?
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Yeah, okay, So my background is in technology.
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Did a lot of basically work my ti adult life
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in technology, did a lot of roles including technology consulting,
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worked for two of the big four consulting firms. So
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really was like, you know, in the belly of the beast.
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Before obviously I realized that there is a beast, so
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so been around in that space for for a long time.
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I had, I guess, an awakening, my own awakening moment
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during COVID that kind of came quite late, came towards
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the mid middle of twenty twenty one.
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Uh And and.
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Once I've had that, it's kind of like, you know,
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one of the things that I found personally lacking for
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me for my own personal needs was kind of like
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a solution based uh, independent media.
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So basically like instead of like.
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You know, telling me, okay, well we're all going to
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be a slave, We're all gonna be that, we're all
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gonna die.
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See you next week. Okay, well what are we gonna do?
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Like how can we stop this? Right?
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So that's kind of where the idea for my my
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own platform came came from, because I just couldn't find content.
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Uh that kind of served my my needs in that space.
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And that's why it's called actionable truth, right, So I
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always and to focus on on the actionable part and
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obviously make sure that it is the truth. Uh. And
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that's kind of kind of how I got into this space.
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So when I guess, when I had when I started,
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when I launched the platform, so I did a two
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part series where I explained kind of my own personal
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journey to awakening, right, Uh, two pretty pretty detailed articles
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people can go and read.
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It's the oldest ones on my website. Uh.
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And and the second part of that, right, I kind
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of touched into a lot of I guess, the predictive programming,
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the the the narrative management that has been happening really
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for years like you know, decades in pretty much all
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like you know, mass media be like you know, music,
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big TV, big movies, like I mean, Hollywood is like
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you know, d like you know, the top thing, the
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top dog when it comes to that sort of stuff.
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of really my big realization that what it's been happening
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has kind of been foretold for a very very long time,
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and in quite a like in your face kind of way.
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We just, I guess, until it actually happens in real life,
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you don't realize that they've been telling you that this
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is coming right and and very much in your face.
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So yeah, that that's kind of I guess brings us
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to the topic of this conversation.
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Yeah.
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Perfect. First of all, I love your work.
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I think it's great, and I do love the you
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focus on solutions or that's that's at the heart of
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why you started your platform, because even though Collapse Life
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sounds a little bleak, that's also our motivation is to
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help people understand what's going on, because you can be
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more in control when you're actually aware of things, and
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we always try to focus our conversations around what people
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can do actionable steps that people can take. And it's
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getting harder and harder to ask those questions in these
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interviews because you know, we're in it now, and more
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and more people are like, well, I'm not sure if
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there's any more we can do. But funnily enough, on
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a live stream just a couple of days ago, somebody
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typed in a comment where they accused us of being
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toxically optimistic.
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So I don't know. I don't know if maybe people
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are actually to.
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Be optimistic, they're toxically optimistic than pessimistic. But the most
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important thing is to also be a realist, right we
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need to, And that's what I kind of try and
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mentioned in a lot of the other interviews that I've
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done on pretty much every topic.
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It doesn't matter. I always comes to the same point.
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If we don't get our shit together right and actually
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start doing what is necessary to stop the agenda, it's
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not gonna stop. If all we're gonna do is just
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like you know, pray and argue almost ourselves, then things
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are not gonna change. And and and and like you know,
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if if we think that things are pretty bad now,
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we haven't seen nothing yet, right, so so we the
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optimistic side is we can absolutely stop that, absolutely without
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a shad over doubt. But we need to do the
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right thing, and we need to do it now. The
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window of opportunity is closing. And if we continue on
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the path that we are on, and I'm talking about
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we as India way, I'm not even talking about like
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you know, the NORMI is that you know, the brain
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a booster, forget about them. But if we continue with that,
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with what we're doing, on the path that we are
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on right now and fighting among ourselves over nonsense and
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focusing on things that don't matter right now, things are
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gonna be really bad and there is really no to
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be optimistic about it.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you.
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So back to our topic at hand, in terms of
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predictive programming, I wanted to have.
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You maybe just define your view on what.
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That is because a lot of people who may hear
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that term may immediately start thinking, oh, here's a bunch
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of conspiracy theorists.
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So let's talk a little bit about that.
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And then the next thing that kind of popped up
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in my mind, and they're sort of related, is once
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you started seeing this pattern, do you ever look back
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at sort of classic movies now and say, what were
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they trying to tell us with the Wizard of Oz
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or the Manchurian candidate so over to you.
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Yeah. So, so.
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I'm not going to use like, you know, the the
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the the dictionary definition anyone can look that up or
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like you no, predictive programming. Here's here's one way, and
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I'm gonna use like a movie to explain that, which
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I think I think is kind of fits in our conversation.
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Think about Inception, right, if any you want to see
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the movie Inception. Predictive programming is inception, except of, like,
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you know, it's not like people who like, you know,
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hack your brain, Well, it's not yet, right and and
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and literally forcefully plant an idea in your head and
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make it make you believe that it is your own idea, right,
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That's what happens in Inception.
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It's the kind of like, you know, present an idea.
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To you, right, and and and it's an idea that
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is repeated, like the repetition is the key here, right,
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So it's.
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Repeated again and again and again in multiple.
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Ways to multiple angles, right, to make you kind of like,
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you know, uh, come around to the idea that this
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is within the realm of possibility or maybe this is
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even a good idea, or maybe this is a desired outcome.
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I mean, like you know, simple example would be like
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you know, the alien agenda, right, I mean that's been
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going on since like in a world of the world,
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and like, you know, I don't know when was that,
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like you know, the thirties, the forties.
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Right, uh And and I mean that was that was
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at the time. It wasn't even prettive programming.
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It freaked people out when like you know, the actual
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radio broadcast came out, Like people started running. They thought, like, literally,
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we're being invaded for Mars, like you know for Mars,
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and and obviously age you well's it's like, you know,
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he's made you major globalist.
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So they've been doing it for a long time.
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So I guess the best way for people to understand
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I guess my take on predictive programming is think inception
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without the guys.
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That like you know, go into your brain and.
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Hack it, right, So just dropping hints, telling stories. That
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is it to just prime us to normalize a thing
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Because if we actually see something in real life that
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movie sometimes like or is it the opposite that, like
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that must be real because I saw it in a movie.
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was the primary thing or sorry, it's the only thing, right,
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it is the primary thing. But there's another element once
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not the enemy, like the real enemy as I like
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to refer to them. They have their own belief system
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religion if you want to call it, right, I mean,
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look more into that, i'd recommend like in the series
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by Bill Cooper, Mystery of Babylon, where it goes to
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like you know, that's where it really goes back as
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far back as it goes. But one of the core
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beliefs or dogmas that they have within their religion, and
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we're talking about like really the all those oldest people,
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like you know, the ones we've been doing it, you
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know since the Dawn of Men is revelation of the method. Now,
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what is the idea behind the revelation of the method?
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deep spiritual religious aspe back to that.
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Will be protected like they have they will have karma
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protection or their karma will be they will be protected
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from karma. Right if they indicate in advance what they
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are planning to do right now. As their religion evolved
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over the years, it wasn't it didn't like it evolved
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from just being a nice thing to do or like
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an important thing to do. It is mandatory, right, It's
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are not.
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Allowed to eat pork. It is mandatory.
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to them before you do it.
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like you know, hints, you don't just.
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and say straight away.
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to do, and stops you. If they don't understand or
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understand but fail to stop you, well that's on them, right,
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So they're protected because then they're fulfilled literally their religious obligation.
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To reveal the method.
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for that and all the mass media, right, especially entertainment
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industry in all its forms, but especially like you know,
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This is what it's useful.
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the primary objective of Hollywood is not entertainment.
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fulfill that religious obligation.
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Interesting, so by that definition, then and everything is predictive
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in some form or conditioning in some form. Because if
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if everything that's being produced in Hollywood is some form
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of revelation of the method, then all stories that are
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calming out are.
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You being used for conditioning?
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the primary purpose, okay, would be only purpose?
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It almost becomes a little bit more diabolical then, because
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then it's up to you to decide which ones, which.
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One, which ones are not and.
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Sorry, go ahead, yet just one thing.
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So when you mentioned revelation of the method, I was thinking, suddenly,
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on social media, I'm seeing a lot of videos and
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they're across YouTube and they're years old, but suddenly I'm
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seeing them. These so called magicians or lists or you know,
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really like master influencers doing these videos where they show
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people how you can be subliminally influenced. So we just
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saw one recently with Ben Stiller and he's playing basketball
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and the person he's playing with is asking him a
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bunch of questions and then they have these cards on
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the court and when they flip them over, it's all
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the answers that he gave off the top of his head.
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toy store in London and then they ask her a
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bunch of questions and they show then how there were
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all these things along the way from the minute she
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walked into that store that conditioned her or primed her
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to give the answers that she gave, which was, you know,
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giraffe and the number sixty one or whatever. I'm making
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this up, but these are all videos that show and
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when you watch them, you go you're Oh my goodness,
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look at that. Look how that subliminally influenced. But they're
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telling you how it's done in a way.
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What we need to understand, right, So there's two aspects
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of it.
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to normalize like certain things that are about to happen
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because they know that they're about to happen. So it's
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like you know, shifting the overturned window, right, But.
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same religion or belief system. Like, no, they're not all Satanists,
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they're not all Masons. There's definitely all those people there,
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but they're not all the same. And there's some people who,
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like you know, they don't they don't have any belief
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system or like you know, or any religion. They're just
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like you know, opportunists, right, Like they're like you know,
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low level operators, Like I mean, I doubt that, like
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you know, Bill Gates, right, has any like you know,
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religious views on anything or any spirituality whatsoever.
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Right, So, so so.
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What we need to understand that, like you know, the
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most important thing is definitely predictive to programming to move
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the overturned window. But there's other people, like I guess,
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the more higher levels, the ones that you know, you
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don't know their names, the ones that you don't talk
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about like you know every day, the ones who've been
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added for a long time. You know, there's different names.
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People use black nobility for that. Some people it doesn't
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really matter, right, They actually do have a belief system
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and they use all this mechanisms that they've created over
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like you know years centurism, and you can go as
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far back you you can say that, like you know,
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the first attempt to do that was the printing press,
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right to basically create this to fulfill this religious obligation
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that they have to protect their own comma from la
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you know, from you know, uh, getting punished for what
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they've done or what they're about to do or they
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plan to do what they want to do, you know.
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I guess what I'm trying to say here is that
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this thing is been going on for a long time.
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But with the advancement of technology, right mass media, the internet,
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they can reach a lot more people, right, and for them,
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this is this is a lot more important because they
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can influence the entirety of society, the entirety of body
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politics a lot quicker. Right, time, time does matter, right,
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That's what I'm saying, Like, I mean, it's not just
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that we need to do the right thing, we need
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to do the right thing on time before like you know,
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the window of opportunity closes and we're all in the
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digital Google again, it doesn't really matter what we do
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or what we think, or do we like each other
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or not?
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with that.
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Yeah, you mentioned the term overton windows. So just for
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anyone who's watching who doesn't know what that is or
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isn't familiar with the concept, do you want to just
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quickly explain your perspective of it.
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to use any Addictionary definitions.
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But the idea of the overturne window.
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Is you make an idea before that was unacceptable or
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unthinkable even to something that is kind of normalized.
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Right, so now, like you know, we we can discuss
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like you know, anything, like you know, starting from like
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you know, virus no virus. The Nazis were bad, the
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Nazis were good, like you know, communism, Like now that
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there's a thing that's really started on Twitter since really
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late last year, all about like and I'm about to
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publish an article about it, all about multipularity, and all
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of a sudden, like these accounts popped out of nowhere
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where they basically present China.
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As the model.
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Yes, look, everyone is friendly, the sweets are clean, they're
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like advanced, they're more advanced by decades. They have these
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amazing trains, and they have these amazing robots, and they
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have this technology.
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They're living in twenty fifty okay, right, and then then
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claud Shwarp says, yeah, China is the model.
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So this is obviously another attempt to switch the overtone window.
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And some of them like they literally say it in
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your face, like they say, well, if them is so bad,
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fine I saw advanced or streets are so clean?
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Okay, I've seen those videos over the window.
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Absolutely, it's a perfect example.
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I've seen those videos as well, and I've also been
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thinking about writing an article about it. But yes, all
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of a sudden, out of nowhere, there's influencers, both the
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kinds of influencers that you and I might watch, and
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others who a whole different audience might watch, and they're
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all parroting the exact same line, exactly the same thing.
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Look at these high speed trains. What if we had
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high spreed trains like this in North America or in Europe?
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Or look how clean everything is. There's social credit score. No,
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not really, it's certainly not national.
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It's a conspiracy theory.
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Right, yeah, very very interesting that that's happening. And it's
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happening all of a sudden, all at once, like you know,
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all almost coordinated.
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whether these accounts are even human, right, I mean, you
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have no idea, like you spoken out of nowhere, have
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like hundreds of thousands of followers on Twitter, you don't again,
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you don't know how many of those followers are real.
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I can tell you, like you know, as a tech guy,
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by the bucket loads. Put each of them with three
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million followers. You willn't know anything any better, right, and
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they've been created literally two hours ago, you know.
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Yeah, I think it might be fun maybe to use
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some other recent examples that people might be aware of
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or might not be in and might go back and look,
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But what are some things that, now that you have
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this kind of awareness, what are some things that you've
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seen on TV or in movies or even in AD
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campaigns that really stuck out to you as being perfect Actually.
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That campaigns, I actually have something like that, really really
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good about it. And that's related directly to the age
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verification legislation that kicked it in Australia December last year.
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December ten, Australia was the first.
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Obviously, since then it has happened pretty much everywhere else.
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And and I guess, so this is an ad right
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that was released by the Each Safety Commissioner, which is like,
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you know, the the government agency that enforces this age
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verification mandates in Australia.
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And and I guess before I played.
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The interesting thing about it is how similar the talking
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points are to what was used during COVID.
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But during COVID it was like you know, protect the NHS,
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protect grammar, protect the vulnerable in our society. Here it's
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protect the children, right, and you know, for the better,
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like you know, for for for the common good, right.
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For the good of Kirsty, for the good of Lucy
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and Anya, for the good of Sam, for the good
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of Holly, for the good of Noah, for the good
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of their well being. From December ten, people under the
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age of sixteen will no longer have access to social
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media accounts. It's part of a new law to help
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keep under sixteen safer online. For more details and to
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help you prepare, go to e safety dot gov dot
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au authorized by the Istralan government.
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Camera you understand how it's done. Mm hmm.
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So Michael, if you oppose age verification on social media,
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you obviously hate Kirsty.
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You could exactly what.
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Exactly I want to expose your children to, like, you know,
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predators and pedophiles, right that that's hey, because how can
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you appoll protecting the children, right?
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How can you oppose to protecting the inn they chance?
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How can you oppost to protecting Grandma? I mean, come on,
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what kind of a human are you? Right? So you
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know what I mean? So this is not I mean,
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this is an extreme example.
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This is not really predictive programming, because the idea with
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predictive program is to do it over time, and you know,
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shifting the overturn window is a process that takes a
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long time. But this is like boom in your face.
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It's just like before that you thought, oh this is unacceptable,
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and I think, oh, well, you know, maybe maybe that's
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the right thing to do. But they just want to
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make that shift in one go because this is important.
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They need to introduce it now. It's being introduced in
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two weeks, and they need they need buying from the
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people instead of pushback.
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So they're gonna go boom, They're gonna.
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Go hard, and they're giving people almost ammunition for anyone
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who opposes it. You know, if you're riding on a
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bus and you hear someone say it, you could say, well,
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obviously we need to do this.
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We need to protect the children.
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It's bad for children, it's dangerous, and don't you care
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about childre It puts puts it into the perfect frame,
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and it's just easily delivered into their hands. Yeah, so
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it's not predictive programming. It's emotional manipulation. But they run
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across the same spectrum.
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The same thing.
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And I guess a very extreme example and that was,
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I mean something that really contributed all to my own
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personal awakening. So that's why I like mentioning it is
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the Freedom Convoy in Canada, right, oh you know Trudeau,
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and obviously he's like, you know, he's just a puppet.
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But Freeland was really running the show Christia Freeland, right,
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I mean, they presented those people as neo Nazis, an
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extreme ride far right, and like you know, they want
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to overthrow the government. They want to like you know,
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create a fascist dictatorship something like that. And okay, well
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there's like Indian people there, and there's like you know, Muslims,
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and there's like people of all walks of life.
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You see like you know, you see a sea guy
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with a turban. I'm far right, okay, you know you
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know what I mean.
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It's cosy castles and hot cocoa.
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I mean, it's not exactly what you picture when you
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picture a fascist far right movement exactly.
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And they needed to do it fast why because the
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trackers were there, they were already in the capitol, and
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it was gaining traction.
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And obviously people realized, hey, this is like this is serious.
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And especially when like you know, this very heavy handed
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response from the government came, people even like complete like
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you know, normally.
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Is like realizy this.
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This is the point where I definitely realized that something
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else was going on, right, so they needed.
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To act fast. So this is I guess. I guess.
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I don't know if that's a good example, because that's
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a very in your face, not like you know, that's
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not shifting the overturned window gradually, but like dragging it,
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kicking and screaming in two seconds.
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Yeah, and you recognize it now because you're more sensitive
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I think, to reading under the subtext or reading under
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under the surface and reading the subject and knowing why
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things are being framed in a certain way. But it
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hits you like a punch in the face, and others
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may just go yeah, of course, course, of.
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Course, exactly.
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So I guess a more refined example, and I mean
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I can provide a lot, but a more I guess
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gradual example of or I guess predictive programming will be.
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I would refer to that as predictive programming. I'm not
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gonna take too much.
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I don't know. If you've seen the show.
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Before, do you want to know what happens next?
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It was released on Amazon at the beginning of twenty twenty.
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Your father created a world changing, not world ending, A
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world changing, world improving omnivirus, right, and we have taken
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that virus and embedded in the vaccine of the S
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TURNS flu.
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I know it.
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So I don't know if you've seen that before. I
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don't know if the audience have seen that before, but
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I mean.
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No, you got me on that one. Wow.
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Yeah. So that's a show. It's Amazon original. It's called You.
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I believe it was made in twenty nineteen, but was
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released in early twenty twenty.
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M not marking D.
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Except I guess to say that that narrative of like
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you know that the population, infertility, population collapse and all
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that sort of stuff, it's not actually that.
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New at all. Right, So if you want another example
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of the same thing, but.
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I want to let me pause you on this one
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for one second because it brings up a thought for me.
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So the guy is there, he's.
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Telling this group of people about this thing that they've done.
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They're horrified. They obviously don't think that what he's telling
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them is a good thing.
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So he's portrayed as the bad guy.
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So if you're watching this in twenty nineteen, before the pandemic,
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let's say you're going to relate more to the people
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in the room, not the guy sitting on the cap
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telling about this evil plot.
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So how how does that work psychologically?
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Because then when it really does happen in real life,
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all those people standing in the room are.
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The same people who are like, oh, we all got
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to go get.
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Our shots because we got to you know, protect our community.
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So how does that switch happen that the very same
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people who are watching this show on Netflix would be horrified,
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but when it happens in real life they roll up
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their arms.
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Excellent question. Excellent question. So, the way I think about it,
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two things.
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I think the primary purpose of this particular show is
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revelation of the method for this is to provide the
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luck you know, the comic protection. Right that that is
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definitely the primary purpose of that, and not a prominent
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example I think for revelation of them or where that's
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the primary purpose is the Matrix series, especially the first one, right,
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So so that that that is the primary thing.
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The secondary thing, I guess is to kind of like
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you know.
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Think that like you know, not shift the overturn window,
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but kind of to indicate to people that there are
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some people who think that, like you know, human reproduction
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is bad like you know, humans, humans are a disease.
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They are like a plague on the earth, right, So
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that that's kind of like you know, where people don't
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necessarily have to agree with that, But the way it
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works is like repetition, right, repetition, repetition, repetition, And even
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if you don't agree with the idea, it starts kind
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of like entering your head.
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So this is like inception. The whole idea with inception
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is like you know, I mean if if you've seen the.
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Movie, it's not to like put ideas in the guy's
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head that he's like you know, is agreeing with it,
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is to put ideas in his head that are against it,
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like you know, best interest, but he make it think
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that it was his ideas right, right, So I put
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an idea in your head, but you don't realize that,
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like you know, someone hacked your.
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Brain and put an idea in your in your head.
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You think, oh, I came up with that, but you're
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okay with it because it was your idea, right, But
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that that's.
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You rationalize yourself around it, even if you start to think, oh,
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maybe I was wrong, maybe I'm made a mistake.
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You you we have.
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This amazing ability, unbelievable ability to be able to rationalize
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things and go no, no, no, no. I needed to do
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this because of that. And therefore and there you know,
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and you you you make yourself very quickly comfortable with
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the decision that you made, because it's easier than going
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back and admitting that you were wrong necessarily exactly.
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And I'm not gonna play that. But I mean, this
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is from a movie. Right.
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There is this famous interview with Dennis Meadows, right, one
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of the founders of the Club of Rome, right, where
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he says that like, you know, I mean, are humans,
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like you know, a lock will need to die, like
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you know, if we do you're bright.
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Like maybe a million will die, you know, or like
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I want to do it in a peaceful.
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Way, like you know, not violent, but like I want
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I want it to happen without violence, but I want
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most of you to die. Like he says that it
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is not a movie, this is a real interview. Yes, right,
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So this is not like an idea, So this is
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a movie. Okay, people, Oh this is just an Amazon movie.
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But there's a guy and this is not just some guy, right,
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I mean, this is the guy who like on a
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co author The Limits to Growth, Right, I mean this
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is this is a major like you know, globalist like
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you no thinker, right on the level of I don't know,
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you've a right, maybe even more so.
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He's telling you to your face this is like, you know,
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there's too many of you. We need to do something.
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Yeah, right, yeah, So this is.
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This is I mean, you can say this is shifting
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the overturn we do, but it's primarily like you know,
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say like, look we can, We're gonna do this.
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Yeah.
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And so the one that you just showed, Utopia, I
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haven't seen it, but even just from that short clip
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that you just played, it seems pretty clearly written in
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terms of the sort of black and white narrative that
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most people can understand when they're passively watching TV. There's
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another example that both you and I wrote about on
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our respective platforms called Years and Years, which is a
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multi part series that also came out I think in
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twenty nineteen. I typically don't watch these things ever, or
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certainly not at the time that they come out, so
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this one came to me a couple of years later.
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But I remember.
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One scene that I had seen a clip of around
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the time it came out where there's a young woman
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who wants to have a conversation with her parents. She
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just so has be biracial, which is just another this series.
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We'll talk about it. It's so much more subtle than
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the Utopia. There's so many things going on. Some of
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them are in your face, some of them are really subtle.
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So this young biracial teenage girl wants to have an
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uncomfortable conversation with her parents. The parents are preparing themselves
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for it, and they think that she's going to come
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out and say she's gay, and they're okay with that,
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and we love you and we still accept you, okay. Yeah,
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And it turns out she doesn't want to. She just
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doesn't want to be human anymore. She's she wants to
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become transhuman.
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Yeah, if you want, I can play that or we
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can do okay, all right.
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I'm not comfortable with my body, so I want to
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get rid of it, this thing, or the arms and
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legs and every single bit of it. I don't want
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to be flesh. I'm really sorry, but I'm going to
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escape this thing have become digital.
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Yeah, and I mean this is this is definitely not
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so much revelation of the method, but definitely more on
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the predictive programming shifting the overturn window thing, because I
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know that people are aware of that, but like getting
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rid of like you know, the flesh, like you know
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the human body, Like that's that's a real thing, right,
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and that's in transhumanism, like for real, this is like
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the endgame, Like this is the utopia. And there's a
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name for that. They have a name for it. It's
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called this embodiment. The reason why it is the utopia.
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There's a few people. I think there's I think a
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lady by the name of maybe Jennifer Bilek.
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I think she wrote about it.
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She's that she's been on clubs Life. Yeah, she's wonderful.
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So she she wrote extensively about like explaining like it
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is a proper idea, like they genuinely believe in that,
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like you know Ari's book Homodure, Like you know a
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man who is like gold. Why why are they like gold?
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Because they never die? They live in the cloud. This embodiment,
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it's a real thing, right. I Mean you can also
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say that transgender agenda tizing to that, because once you
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get rid of like you know, the differences between a
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man and a woman, and you don't know what a
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man and a woman and just.
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Thirty genders will then just get rid of the whole
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thing together. The body doesn't matter, will make babies and testubes.
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The other little hint that they dropped there is one
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day there'll be clinics in Switzerland where you can do this. Well,
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today there already are clinics in Switzerland for a different purpose,
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for euthanasia. And that's another topic that has now become
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squarely in the Overton window. We can talk about it,
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and in fact, opposing it in many countries is again
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you know, you're considered heartless and.
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Stuck in the past.
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If you think that people shouldn't be able to choose
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to have medically assisted dying. So that really kind of
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leap frogs because as you watch that, if you put
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yourself back into twenty nineteen, before we started having all
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of these conversations, if you put yourself in twenty nineteen,
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you would watch that there was a little bit of
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futurism in there where she has this filter that she
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can switch on in real life, not just on her
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phone app, but the viewer very much identifies with the
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parents who are just trying to keep up and be
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compassionate and am I using the right words here?
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And I still love you?
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And you know you really feel for the parent who
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is just struggling to cope and be a good person
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in this And this is I think in just the
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early episodes of this series, which goes along and it
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waxy with so many different narratives at once, bank rushes, populism,
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the migrant issue, gay marriage.
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Disabilities. I mean, it's just right, you can make a list.
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Yeah, So, I mean that's why I said I think
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I said in my post and I still believe that
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so so years and Years is an extreme example.
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It's kind of like the matrix. Right.
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Years and Years is an extreme example because it is
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not just predictive programming or revelation of the method.
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It is an.
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Actual program of work that has been dramatized. So basically,
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you take a document from the Rockefeller Foundation, right, assign
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it in like roles, put actors, put a director, put
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a writer. In this case, his name is Russell T. Davis, Right,
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the same guy who's like behind doctor who just for
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so people understand, right, and basically presented because nobody's going
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to read a document, right, they're not going to fulfill
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their obligation, right, and they're not going to normalize that
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by someone reading like a dry like a report, fifty
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page report from the Rockefeller Foundation, right, so they dramatize
721
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it to you. They tell you, ind they tell you
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exactly what they're gonna do. They tell you that in
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the order that is going to happen, like literally the
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six episodes, and you can tell like you know exactly
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what's happening in each episode, right the UK. Literally right now,
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they are towards the end of episode two and the
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start of episode three, and I can I can show
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you look what's happening, what's happening at the beginning of
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episode three if you want, m all right, let's do that.
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Tensions are high, with the major parties keeping an eye
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on the full style parties.
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Wild can't vote.
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I think it might be a little bit tipsy.
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I haven't even voted yet. I'll be squiffy. I'll probably
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take the wrong box.
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This is British wine for British people, and what it.
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Deserves is tax breaks and subsidized transports.
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You can't raise taxes.
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I'll impose a tariff on wines from abroad. Let them
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pay false facts every day?
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Do you know where you can find the truth?
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Right here? Fast start channel. God help us. We're the
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only ones.
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God help us indeed now So I mean, I don't know,
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some people really need things to be spelled out for
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them because they just don't get it right. So four
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Star Party right could be any I mean, initially I
748
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thought it was reformed. Reform is obviously self destructing, right,
749
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so it's obviously like I mean farage and all that,
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that's a farce right any any Like, I mean I
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think most people were like, we're even planning to vote
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for them, They're kind of move on from that, right.
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It's basically a Torris Live or Toys b or whatever.
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So now you have this new pair, both of them
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heavily supported by Elon Mask right also supported the AfD
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party in Germany, so you.
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Have uh uh.
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Restore Britain right, and the other one was Ben Habib,
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so basically he has Initially it was.
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I thought that he would be like the leading role,
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but it's obviously now like you know, Rupert Law right
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the head Restore Britain. That's viv, Yeah, that is viv.
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If you guys don't get it, now she has her
764
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own TV station. Now Rupert doesn't have his own TV station,
765
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but the people who run him, right, which is an
766
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entity called Legatum. Right, if people want to look into that,
767
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I've done a pretty a detailed interview on the Dogmatic
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podcast together with my colleague Ursula Agington, who's like, really,
769
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she's the expert on Legatum, Like I mean, I would
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say she's the world authority on the topic. Right, And
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people can go and check this out and understand what
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this entity is. Hm. They have this thing, this TV
773
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channel that all of a sudden emerged as a pandemic
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started called GIBB News.
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Right, that's the four style live, right.
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I need to do it because I realized that people
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don't get it, Like even if it's like relatantly obvious
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in your face, people don't get it. Now, just to
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finish that point, so you know how in Utopia, right,
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this guy said people are upset by they need to
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know what happens next? Would you like to know what
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happens next? Again for the benefit of people? Again from
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like you know, years and years, but that's I believe
784
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episode four. So do you want to know what happens next?
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Let me show you what happens next.
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As twenty twenty nine begins, the charter for the British
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Broadcasting Corporation has been withdrawn.
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The BBC is now closed.
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Sage, thank you, good night and good luck.
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A journalist has been from Journey Street. After challenging the
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Prime Minister.
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It said that Russia have been funding the Four Star Party.
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Great news every time records of sexual harassment within four
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Star headquarters. Packie is heavily implied that the voting was raised.
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You are the enemy of the people.
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Is there are questions about your income tax retires.
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This is why journalism is dying.
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Missus Rucas also a million pounds to the fight against
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monkey flu.
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The epidemic continues to rage or an estimated one thy
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two hundred dead.
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So this is this is an extreme example.
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This is this is this is serious, like someone has
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obviously put a lot of effort into that.
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Okay, this is this is and obviously the hired like
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you know, uh huh, like.
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A happy hitter in like you know, in British television.
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I mean, like I'll just read briefly is bio on IMDb.
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So that's that's the writer Russell T. Davis, often described
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as a genius.
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Russell T.
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David is one of the leading British television writers of
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his generation, who specializes in emotional drama, frequently with gay
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and sex related adult themes. After graduating from Oxford University,
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initially took a BBC Television's director course in the nineteen
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eighties and briefly moved in front of the camera to
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present a single episode of the BBC version of Play
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School in nineteen eighty seven, before deciding his abilities laying
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production rather than presenting blah blah blah blah blah.
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Right, So that's Thompson and the Thompson is no small
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potatoes either exactly.
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And and I think I don't know her name.
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I just I could probably look it up, but uh,
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the grandma, like you know, the old lady there. I
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think she's she's a pretty heavy hitter in British television
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as well. Uh so, yeah, I mean this is only
827
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only only six episodes because they tell you like fast,
828
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like you know, Foster threat, what they're gonna do. And
829
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I'm not gonna like it. I'm not gonna mention what
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happens on episode six. People are gonna can go and
831
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watch for themselves. But this is a program of work.
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This is not just predictive programming.
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Absolutely.
834
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They they brought a white paper to life in this
835
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six episode series, and people really do need to watch it.
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Watch it on instead of on double speed, which we
837
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watch most videos faster. You need to slow this one
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down and analyze every scene and what's happening and as
839
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you said, the little details, the little subliminal notes, because
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there is so much packed into these six episodes, and
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people like me didn't even know what was happening because
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I don't really watch this stuff. But you're right, it
843
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tells us exactly what has already happened, what's happening now,
844
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and what's going to happen in the very near future.
845
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We could keep going on, and I would love to say, Michael,
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that we should do this as a live stream so
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that we can have an interactive discussion one day soon.
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But I think we're coming to the close of an hour,
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and since we mentioned already that your solutions oriented, I
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wanted to turn as we start to close towards some
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discussion about what people can do. Are there signals that
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people can look for when they're seeing narratives, whether they're
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in fiction or in ad campaigns or in the news,
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the so called news.
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What signals can people be looking for to.
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Indicate that they're being conditioned towards accepting something?
857
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Yeah, look, I mean within you it's pretty simple, right,
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just don't watch it, right, simple as that, just lack
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legacy media.
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Don't worry about it.
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I do have you mentioned also doing this context that
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Unfortunately it's a bit more complicated than that, right, I
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thought it would just forget about legacy media, look for
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independent media, and everything is anky, Dori. Unfortunately that's not
865
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the case. That is that is certain without a shread
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over doubt. So uh, I think I think you had
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you had David Hues on your show a couple of
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weeks ago, and he has this framework of like you
869
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know the three camps, right, so camp one, Camp two,
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Camp three. So Camp one is obviously legacy media. Camp
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two is you know, what we call the mainstream alternative media,
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or like you know the big names in this space,
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which are basically exactly the same like legacy media. Right,
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they're like literally in many cases funded by the same people. Right,
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I mean a lot of the platforms that are supposedly
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alternative media are funded by the same people. Primary examples
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for that would be Rumble in substack. Rumbo has the
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same corporate shareholder. Rumble is a publicly listed company. Now
879
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they have exactly the same shareholders as Alphabet, exactly the
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same people, go and look it up, right, it's.
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The same owners. It's like pepsinco. Right. Subseack is a
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bit more complicated.
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I've done a lot of like you know, discussions about that,
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and people can go and have a look.
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I've got an article on my website as well.
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So you need to understand forget about legacy media, but
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you also have to be very very discerning when you
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listen to supposedly alternative media. And the key thing to understand,
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just like with legacy media, it's exactly the same who
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is funding them?
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Where's the money coming from? Like who's funding them? Right?
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If they take money from like you know, people with
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certain agendas, right, like you know, like the Wellness company
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for certain people who want to push multipolarism and say
895
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that like you know, trying are the good guys now
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or maybe they're not?
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Are the good guys? Or who knows what you know?
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So so people need to be very very legacy media
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forget about it.
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But I would say, you need to be as equally
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discerning when you listen to alternative media, and you always
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need to look at, Okay, who is funding them, because
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that's where the truth lies. Right when they say they
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are independent, are they really if they have advertisers? Okay,
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who First of all, by definition they're not one percent dependent,
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and then look at.
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Who their advertisers are. Right. If the advertisers are.
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The wellness company, well, I don't know, maybe, like look
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at what the wellness company is.
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And there's a lot of material about that, right, uh
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so you need to look at that. Right if they
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have investors, which is.
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A little bit more complicated to discern because obviously they're
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not going to be talking about them on air, there's
915
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also another thing that is important for people to understand.
916
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So ultimately, look, ultimately everything boils down the ultimate solution.
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You have to think for yourself and you have to
918
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check what people are telling you because they may be lying,
919
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and maybe they may be lying even unintentionally, unwillingly, maybe
920
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even unknowingly.
921
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But you have to go and verify things for yourself.
922
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Mm hmm.
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Right, there's a there's a there's a there's a documentary, right,
924
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I think it's called Europa or you or something like that.
925
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It's like a kind of like a neo Nazi propaganda.
926
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A movie that came I think it's like six Hours,
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came out a couple of years ago. It did a
928
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lot of rounds in the alternative media space, right, and
929
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like straight up the bed, I said, look, I'll keep
930
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an open mind. I'll keep an open mind. Let's see,
931
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there's a lot of stuff that I don't know as well.
932
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But within the first twenty minutes, like I mean, there's
933
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:27.320
so like many blatantly inaccurate, like patently false things that
934
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they're saying.
935
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.000
Okay, all right, thanks guys, So you need to do that.
936
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Just because it's like you know, alternative and it's counter
937
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.400
narrative doesn't mean that it's the truth.
938
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Right.
939
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So that's what people need to think about now when
940
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it comes to movies and TV shows.
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Look, by all means, enjoy yourself, no problem, but keep.
942
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In mind that you maybe, like you know, they may
943
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.039
be trying to put ideas in your head. Same thing
944
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:56.760
goes for your children, same thing goes for like you know,
945
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:58.039
like you know, the children.
946
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.280
You can be whatever you want to be.
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00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.920
You can be if you're a girl and you don't
948
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:02.840
like it, you can be a boy.
949
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.199
If your boy you don't like it, you can be
950
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a girl. Whatever you want to be.
951
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.400
It doesn't matter, right, all colors of the rainbow. So
952
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people need to be aware of that. And if they
953
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consume that, like you know, it's like it's like eating
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eating junk food.
955
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:18.840
Right, When you eat junk food, you know it's bad
956
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.440
for you, right, so you can still eat it in moderation,
957
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.599
but you know it's bad for you.
958
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Right, So as long as you understand that in most cases,
959
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:31.440
Hollywood definitely, definitely almost everything they put out, especially now
960
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.320
since like you know, since twenty twenty, everything they put
961
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.920
out now is to try and condition you to something
962
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.440
something right, one of the aspects of the globalist or
963
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.880
again the technocracy, all that sort of stuff.
964
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.639
Right, as long as you understand that, you still want
965
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:48.320
to consume that, knock yourself.
966
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.320
Out by all means, but just be aware and don't
967
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.800
let the inception that they're trying to do to succeed.
968
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:57.599
And even worse, don't like, you know, think for a
969
00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.760
second that maybe it is actually oh, it was actually
970
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:00.320
my idea.
971
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.599
I realized that by myself. Oh I'm not so smart.
972
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.000
I came to this realization by myself, But.
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I understand when you're being played that that's the actable
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thing that I would say from that.
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Yeah, absolutely understand when you're being played and understand that
976
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narratives are being shaped and those narratives are shaping us.
977
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.559
So yeah, it's it's not always easy, and the easy
978
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.159
way out is to just be passive and go with
979
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:27.880
the flow. But I don't think that anyone who's reading
980
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.440
your work, or listening to you or watching this interview
981
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is looking for the easy way out.
982
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.159
So Michael, thank you so much.
983
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As I said, I would love to continue this conversation
984
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and use more of these examples and have an interactive
985
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.760
discussion and involve our audiences. So maybe we can work
986
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on that in the coming weeks.
987
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:46.960
Sure, I've got plenty more where that came from.
988
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:49.280
I know you do. I know you do.
989
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Before we let you go this hour, just remind people
990
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.639
how they can find you and follow your work and
991
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.400
more importantly, support your work.
992
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.280
Sure, so the best place to go is my website.
993
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.840
I'm no longer on substack, like I do post notes
994
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:06.000
from time to time, but if you actually want to
995
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.679
follow my work, go to my website, Actionable Truth dot Media.
996
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:11.159
You can sign up there.
997
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.639
There's also a lending page that you can sign up
998
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:16.960
if that's more convenient, So it's Sendfox dot com forward
999
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.880
such actionable truth, right, you.
1000
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Can go there.
1001
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:20.960
You can also there's like a little bit of an
1002
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.880
archive there and obviously there's a full archive on my website.
1003
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That way you will be across everything that I'm doing.
1004
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.519
Like you know, as far as support, so my website
1005
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.960
has two pay tiers. I have a private community that
1006
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.239
has a free tier and two pay tiers as well.
1007
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:40.719
I've got a merch store, so that's from the merch store,
1008
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:44.480
so there's multiple ways that you can support my work.
1009
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:48.440
I do not take sponsors. I do not take investors.
1010
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:51.280
That is a non negotiable for me, right and obviously
1011
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.960
limits to a loge extent my output and what I
1012
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.440
can do. But for me, this is a non negotiable
1013
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for exactly the reasons that we've discussed today.
1014
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.480
And yeah, that's basically me.
1015
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:02.880
That's great.
1016
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.239
Well, I'm so glad to have you on Collapse Life. Finally,
1017
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.079
we've been following your work for a long time and
1018
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I hope that this is the first of many appearances.
1019
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Thanks for having me Sar, Thanks so much, and thanks
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to everyone who's been watching for tuning in today. If
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1025
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with another the conversation, and until then, be sure to
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pay attention to the stories stories you see around you
1036
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and the space around them, and don't forget to keep
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your chin up. It's only collapse.
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See you soon.
