My Interview on Courage is the Cure - Journalism: Point of No Return

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Greetings everybody, Robin here from couragees Que. Welcome to episode
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one four four of Relentless. Today we're going to be
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joined by Michael Ginsberg and we're going to be talking
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about journalism the point of no return. Looking forward to
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Alrighty greetings everybody. Like I said, welcome toisode one four
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to four of Relentless. Today, we're going to be joined
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by Michael Ginsberg talking about journalism the point of no return.
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Michael is not a stranger to Relentless. He's joined me
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before and he is the founder and chief editor of
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Actionable Truth Media. My great pleasure to welcome Michael once
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again to Relentless. Hello Michael, how are you hi?
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Robin?
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Thanks for having me on again.
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My pleasure. We were just having a short conversation before
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we went live. We were meant to do this show
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last week, but I think it's kind of a blessing
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that it's this week because there has been a couple
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of announcements about millions of dollars being granted to media
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outlets and other wonderful things to talk about. So I
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think it's poignant that we come upon this topic this
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week we get into it. As I said, you are
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the founder and chief editor of Actionable Truth Media. You
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want to tell everybody a little bit about that before
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we get gown?
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Sure? Yeah, so thanks again for having me on Robins
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so actuable Truth Media. As the name suggests, there's a
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little bit of a different take that I take on
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independent media, and independent media is a whole rabbit hole
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that obviously we're going to discuss today. But the way
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that I approach everything that I do is with an
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actionable take. So basically, not just like you know, the
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doom and gloom we're gonna be enslaver, we're all gonna die,
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We're all gonna be in the algorithm ghetto or whatever. Okay,
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what are we going to do? Can we do something
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to stop it? How can we work together? What practical
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solutions do we have available or how we can create them?
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So that's kind of my take about that, And originally,
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really it started to serve my own needs because I mean,
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before I started Actionable Truth and after kind of I
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realized what was happening during COVID, I consumed a lot
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of independent media and I was lacking that that actionable angle.
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Okay, well I understand, now what do we do?
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And and kind of nobody was providing that, and I
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felt that I was getting a bit depressed, so that
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that's what was lacking for me, and that's that's why
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I started my outlet. I mean, I come from a
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technology background. I have like no journalism background whatsoever. And
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if you told me, like even five years ago, four
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years ago, that this is what I'll be doing, I
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would say like, yeah, you need to get your head examined.
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But yeah, here we are.
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I know, yes, that's right, get your head exament. I think, well, definitely.
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I don't think if if somebody hadn't said to me,
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what you know, what will you be doing in the
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next five years, No way would this kind of field
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of work have come out of my mouth as a description.
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That's sure. So today I'll just pop up again on
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the screen for everybody the thumb now journalism point of
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no return with the EOD burning tire fire, because I
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do feel like corporate media, especially is or we have
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been watching and witnessing the burning tire fire of corporate media.
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I would suggest that mainstream or legacy media journalists are
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now activists, that they're not journalists as I seem to
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remember them being growing up. And even then, you know,
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you can argue the compromised, which I wouldn't totally disagree with,
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but the purpose of journalism and editorial standards, Michael, what
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is the job of a journalist?
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Yeah, yeah, probably a good time to ask that question.
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I think. Look, I mean when you say that legacy media,
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there are there activists more than journalists. Definitely the case.
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But I don't think that started the pandemic. I think
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this decade, like you know, since the twenty twenties, like
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you know, we kind of it became obvious.
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It became like really in your.
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Face that these are no journalists, like right, they're not
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interested in the truth, right, So that became obvious. But
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I think that's been the case for many, many, many decades, right,
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And if you look at things like in Operation mocking Bird,
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and I'm sure there's equivalents in many other countries to that,
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they've always been not even activists.
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I mean they've been literally on the government peril or.
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Right, like there were there were like literally like you know, informationals, right,
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there were agents right in many many cases. So so
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it's worth I guess, you know, it's worth actually revisiting
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why why does this profession exist?
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Right?
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And people can have their own opinions, but I think
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one thing that reflects that really really well, Right, there's
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that famous speech, like you know, the JFK gave in
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I think it was nineteen sixty one, right, it's called
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the President and the Press, but in I guess the
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conspiracy circles, it's more known as like, you know, the
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secret Society speech, which by the way, has actually nothing
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to do with secret societies. And I urge everyone to, like,
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you know, actually go and read the text and you'll
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see that, like you know, any claim that you know,
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JEFFK was killed as a result of what he said
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there really.
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Doesn't it up. But he said, he said, oh he's speechwriter, right, said.
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Two things there that are very very I guess pointed
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to our conversation, I think defined what journalism actually is, right,
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And here's what he said, without debate, without criticism, no
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administration and no country can succeed, and no republic can survive.
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Not it republic, no democracy. That's a whole different discussion.
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That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreated a crime
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for any citizen to shrink from controversy.
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And that is why our.
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Press was protected by the First Amendment, the only business
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in America specifically protected by the Constitution, not primarily to
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amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentiment,
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not to simply give the public what it wants, but
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to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to stay our dangers
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and our opportunities, to indicate our crisis and our choices,
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to lead, mold, educate, and sometimes even anger public opinion.
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As I said to you, I agree with everything here
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except the word mold. The word mold a bit of
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a not uniqu kind of thing.
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I don't like that.
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But everything everything that it says here I can agree
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one hundred percent. And this is how he ends this speech.
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This is literally the last sentence. And so it is
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to the printing press, to the recorder of men's deeds,
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the keeper of his conscience, the carrier of his news,
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that we look for strength and assistance confident that with
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your help, men will be what he was born to be,
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free and independent. And whoever wrote that speech on this tool,
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like you know, these particular these two paragraphs meld it absolutely.
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This is ultimately it is that that's the job, right,
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And just like I guess with the medical profession, right,
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we have all seen what happens when that breaks down
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in a catastrophic manner, right.
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Breaks down in a really really bad manner, and literally
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people die.
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Right when doctors don't uphold their hippocratic Oh, people die.
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Same thing goes with journalism.
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When journalists forget what their job is and or they
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intentionally refuse to do it right because they serves some
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other interest.
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People die.
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It literally is that simple. And you know, if I
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said that in twenty nineteen, people said, oh, look, you're
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exaggerating a little bit. I mean, comparing journalism to medicine
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and all that sort of stuff. But I think everyone
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can see that there is there is, like you know,
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a point in what I'm saying that, So, yeah, that's
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ultimately that's ultimately the purpose is I see.
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It absolutely to inform I mean, just watching the sacus
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that we've got on at the moment, particularly because because
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of you know, the rise of one nation, you know,
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the media circus is just embarrassing. And that's not to
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say that I support one nation. I'm just saying that
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the editorial standards and policies are just in the absolute toilet.
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My conspiracy. Allegedly, before we started, I went along to
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a couple of different websites to check out editorial policies
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and this is the ABC. Funnily enough, they want you
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to click seven hundred buttons even before you get to
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this one. They really don't want people looking at this.
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And even this is just point form, it's nothing detailed.
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I had a look at Channel nine as well, and
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another independent outlet, One News Australia. But it's just, you know,
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when we think back just to recent history, I mean
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we've got here for the ABC, the accuracy, integrity, responsibility,
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all these sorts of things. You know, I seem to
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remember that there was you know, extra gunshots added into
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footage to do with the Australian military, and you know
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the ABC had to admit that they had done that,
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and you know it was just basically there was no
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real sincere apology. It was just oh whoops, yeah we
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did that type of thing. I mean, you know, these
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policies of integrity, responsibility, accuracy and everything you just talked about.
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You know, it really just seems to have completely flown
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out of the window. And it's almost I would suggest
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that corporate media and the government, because you know, let's
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not forget corporate media is the megaphone for the government.
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They continue to dig the bottom of the barrel, not
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be accurate, spread missing disinformation to almost notch, and require
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people to accept less than editorial standards, less than accurate reporting,
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less than responsible reporting. You know, I feel like we're
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being pushed to accept less than.
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Look, I mean it's it's it's very very simple.
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I mean, editorial policies are great, and you can write
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whatever you want, right, but you know, if there's no
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character and stick mechanism to make sure that you actually
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follow those editorial policies, well, this is words on a page.
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You can have AI right that for you, it doesn't
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really matter.
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Right.
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So so you know ABC perfect example, right, ABC is
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corporate media, but it's not commercial media, right, It's supposed
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to be like you know.
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The public broadcaster report without fear of favor.
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Right, That's why, like you know, they don't have advertisers,
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and like you know, they get fire that by the public,
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which is not actually by the public, it's actually by
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the government that takes money from the public and then
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gives them that money. So it's very very different, two
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very different things. So so their incentive okay, So, like
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you know, for example, like you know, what is their carot, right,
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what is their incentive?
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Their incentive is to.
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Like you know, support and follow along the narrative of
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those who fund them and those who fund them, despite
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their name being the public broadcaster and not the public
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or the government. And that has become very very evident,
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like you know, during like you know, during the pandemic
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with Ita Batros doing ads for Pfizer.
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I mean, that's nonsensical, right, So.
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That's that's the carrot part the stick part. Well, okay,
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so they have those editorial policies. If they don't follow
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those editorial.
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Policies, what happens. What's the punishment? I mean, what's gonna happen?
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The government is not going to punish them, right because
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they're doing the government's bidding, right. So, so okay, so
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the public, even though it's the public broadcast, can't do
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anything about it because they have no say whether they
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get like you know, they give money to the ABC
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or all right, they can't just say, oh, look, guys,
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you're you're full of shit, right, We're not gonna find
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you anymore.
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You can scream till like you know, till the cows
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come on. But I mean it doesn't matter.
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You still have to fund them because it goes directly
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from your tax, right, So that's that. That's the where
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I guess, like the character and the stick both of
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them break down. So their incentive it's not to follow
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their editorial policies, but to propagate the narrative from the government, right,
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and the stick is non existent because if they don't
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follow their editorial policies, right, the government will be happy
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to keep supporting them. Has their funding been reduced in
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any way since like you know, twenty twenty, I think
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it's probably been increased, right. So they're supposed to report
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without they're always what they say. That's that's the thing
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with the ABC, because they say, we're with the public broadcaster,
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so we're gonna report without fear of favor because we.
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Don't have to worry about commercial interest.
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they're actually like you know, funded by the public and
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serve the interests of the public. And we've seen that,
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and not just in Australia. We've seeing that with public
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broadcasters all over the English speaking world and even not
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the English speaking world. I mean I I like, you know,
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I can look at like other countries, right and what
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They basically they followed the narrative from those who fund them.
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their name public broadcasters, they're the government.
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It's very interesting because also at the moment, I've posted
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about this on x and Facebook about the BBC at
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the moment because you know, surprise, surprise, people don't want
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to pay their TV license, you know. In the UK
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government says that they're reviewing the funding model and that potentially,
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would be that they'll stop the licenses and that people
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council tax or some sort of model like that. So
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they've put out this three minute, three minutes. Something add
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about is the BBC really worth it and say you
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know what, what has the BBC done for me? And
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funnily enough, you know in the advert, if anybody you
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They've got the people dancing in the street. I mean,
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where do we remember people dancing in the street trying
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to convince people that you know, you can trust the
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people on the TV, the BBC in front of you.
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So you know, the BBC's right, Okay, this this model
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isn't working. Let's make people pay for it, like you
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know Australia has been doing to us through the ABC.
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BBC is probably thinking, oh so that sounds pretty It's
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just put it in the council tax for everybody, you know,
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and people have no choice and have no voice. Even
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when people are made with the reporting standards in Australia
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and people do say something. I don't think for a
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second that Anthony Albanesi or anybody else in government who
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signs that money over to the ABC. Uh, you know,
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whenever it comes up that they need another injection of cash.
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I think they care about the perception or the critique
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of the public that actually are consuming the AB say.
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think they ever did.
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in the open, like they don't even pretend that they care.
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UK with that, like you a petition that they did
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for the digital idea, right, they did like in what
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three and a half million signatures, right, and the basically
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going so, okay, yeah, we heard you. Okay, We're still
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going to do what we want, right. I mean, now
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they've got a new guy. He's apparent they're gonna do
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something else. It's all nonsense. But but this is like,
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this is the point where they're like the.
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Stop pretending, right, We're we're in an era.
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So the thing that has changed is not that the
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government stop caring about the people.
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The government never cared about the people, right, because they
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don't serve the people. They serve other interests.
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Right, we know that.
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But now nobody is pretending anymore, right, just anything in
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your face. Well, nobody's watching the ABC, and I guess
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you know, to your example with the BBC, like I
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mean the funding model for the BBC in the UK,
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and it is it you used to be the same
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for the public broadcaster actually in Israel, which is now
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called Khan which means just here in Hebrew, but used
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to be called the UH the Israel Broadcasting Authority, right,
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it sounds a lot more official.
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So that the idea was that you pay just for
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for having a TV in your house, right, you have
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to pay a TV licensing field. Right, And then you understand, okay, well, okay,
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this is a payment.
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That goes directly to the public broadcaster.
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If I don't want to support the public broadcaster, I
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want to find a way to avoid paying that fee.
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Pretty simple. In Australia, it's actually worse because there's no
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such thing.
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It comes from consolidated revenue.
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Right, And the same thing now is like you know,
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the same thing was done with like you know, so
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the Israel Broadcasting Authority was like you know, rebranded to
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the Cant Corporation, right, and there's still public broadcaster, but
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there's no lights, there's no TV licensing feed.
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The governments gives them money, people, and you have no
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say on the matter.
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So now we move from a situation where if you
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To support the public broadcaster because they're not public and
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they're not serving any public interest, right, you can't just say, oh,
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I'm gonna stop paying the TV licensing fee actually said
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oh I'm not gonna pay any taxes, right, which is
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a whole different like you know, obviously might be a jam.
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So there you go.
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situation is worse than in the UK, and the UK
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is basically adopting the Australian model to make things even
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worse for people in the UK.
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with courage is the cure, and it's been quite evident,
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especially after the COVID War, that corporate media has had
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to attempt let's say, and I would suggest we can
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see is now failing to rebrand because throughout the COVID War,
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of course, we had mass censorship and a huge rise
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in independent journalists, citizen journalists, you know, people just having
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enough and ranting online, you know, all these sorts of things,
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a huge uptick in that and the general public consuming
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that information, that content, those types of new news sources
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if you like, and conversation opportunities for audiences to participating,
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because that's certainly never been part of corporate media's model.
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The embarrassing attempt of corporate media to rebrand, I think
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is a symptom of this much larger problem that we're discussing,
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is that you know, people are sick and tired and
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are now well aware that they're not journalists. We are
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being lied to. And with this rebranding or attempt to rebranding,
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to rebrand, the general public, I would say a majority
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of the general public are able to identify that this
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attempt to rebrand is also not honorable. It doesn't have
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any kind of integrity or attempt to up their game
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and move with the times, if you like. Punt So,
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I think even this attempt to reprent is failing with
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corporate media.
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One hundred percent. I mean, forget about like you know,
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the so called a wake. I mean even the normies
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don't trust like you know, no, no nobody watches it,
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like nobody watches like legacy media. Like even even the normies, right,
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I mean maybe like you know the seventy year old
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whor I've been watching, like you know, the six o'clock
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comes for thirty years. They don't know any better, that's
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what they do, but nobody else does. I mean, And
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this is not just like an opinion, This is data.
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late twenty twenty five.
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I'm just looking at it now.
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You Ocloba twenty twenty five, right, there was a gallop
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folder was published, right, that's for that in the US.
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But trust in media a new law of twenty eight percent.
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Twenty eight percent, Like, it's the lowest ever, like you know,
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since they started recording, Like I mean compared to like say, uh,
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nineteen seventy three, right, seventy yeah, almost seventy sixty nine
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percent of American right said that they have a great
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deal or a fair amount of trust in mass media.
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That's like across the entire population.
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Right, So that's in sixty nine, right, put it to
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twenty twenty five, it dropped to twenty eight percent. Now
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twenty eight percent, right, that's say thirty percent. That means
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that seventy percent don't trust, right, So that's not just
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the awake, that's like the overwhelming majority of the normans
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as well. So this is something that I guess, like
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you know, whether you're awake or not awake or whatever
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awake it means. These days, it doesn't matter, like nobody
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trust it because you can see that they're full of bullshit, right,
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I mean, even if you still trust the government, even
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if you believe that the ABC is a public broadcaster
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in the public good. But I mean, even if you
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believe that, you can see with your own eyes and
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here with your own ears, then what they're doing is
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not is not what they're supposed to be doing, and
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not what they're saying they're going to be doing. Right
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when the chairman of the ABC starts doing ads for
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Farmer in the middle of the pandemic, right, I mean,
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come on, right, you don't have to be awake for that.
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I mean, it's not it doesn't really, I mean, it
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doesn't hold water. So whatever attempts they want to do.
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And like you know, all these like you know stars,
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like you know, former stars from legacy media, they're probably
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the ones that can see that, like you know, this
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is this is like this ship is going down, right,
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so they're like, you know, while they're still popular, they
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want to jump off, like you know, jump off that
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ship and go independent, right, and a lot of them
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show up on subject and start a podcast. I mean,
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there's obviously a lot of prominent recent examples and and
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and some people think, oh because like you know, they
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were fired by their employer, right, and all of a sudden,
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now they have a podcast, right, but has like heavily
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funded by all sorts of commercial interests with like you know,
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questionable connections.
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Oh they're independent, now, we can trust them. They're the
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good guys, okay, right, and that's away people as well, right,
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So I mean you know, so you.
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See, yeah, absolutely, I mean you can't. You can't tell
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me that somebody has got an independent podcast when they're
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doing ads for gambling at I mean, give me a break.
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What about this?
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Because dad happened to be like a senior mocking bird,
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right and like you know, like in the case of
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Pucker Castle, right literally ran Voice of America.
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I mean, come on, guys, I'm not supposed to talk
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about things like that though, Michael.
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I know. But that's the truth.
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And that's why we can talk about it because we're
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independent media.
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That's I don't that's I ultimately absolutely.
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This week I've posted two videos on my socials. I
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did everybody a favor because one of our senators here
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in Australia, from the Greens, Senator Sarah Hansy Young, she's
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actually started her own podcast, and I was astounded. I
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thought it was a mean when I first saw this
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pop up, but no, it's true. So I went along
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and I watched a few things so everybody else didn't,
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and I pulled out some really great parts of her
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initial podcast and it's gone gangbusters and many more views
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and many more comments on my social media pages in
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response to that than anything she's put up on the
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platforms with her own pocket, which is hilarious and, as
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I posted the other day, kind of iconic. But somebody
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said to me, and I'll just put this up on
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the page, you know, just for everybody's enjoyment. Maybe it
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doesn't want to show people. There we go the Sarah
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Hanson Young podcast episode out. Now that's the ad for it.
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Somebody said to me, because we were just talking about,
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you know, legacy media journalists, you know, jumping off the
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ship type of thing. But somebody suggested, what about, you know,
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when we've got politicians like this starting their own their
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own podcast, you know, is this kind of one of
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these tinfold conspiracy moments everybody get ready where they try
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to take the value out of podcasts, which you know,
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as I mentioned before, has exploded because it's you know,
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conversation based. You know, the audience can interact all these
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sorts of things where it takes away from the value
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of that new way of receiving and informing people. Two
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kind of underhandedly get people to switch off from podcasts
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because we've got people like Senator Hanson Young doing their
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own blocks.
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Yeah, yeah, look, it's an interesting one. So here's my take.
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I mean, what you're saying could be true, but.
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I think the primary motivation is what we discussed before. Right,
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So these politicians, right, or I mean politicians, they're just faces,
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but their advisors, like right, their communications teams know that,
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Like you know, they're going to ABC, they're gonna get
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a very particular audience. If they're gonna get on Channel seven,
486
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.519
they're gonna get another very particular audience at quite a
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small one, and Channel ten and all these ones, right
488
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so so and and god forbid, if they're going on
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an outlet that is actually in dependent, oh shits, someone
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gonna actually ask them a hard question and they'll have
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to answer, especially if it's live, right, and especially if
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that person pushes keeps pushing right. No, so I can't
493
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get any traction on legacy media because nobody watches that.
494
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But I also want to avoid difficult questions. I'm gonna
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start outing.
496
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Mm hmm, what's gonna ask them?
497
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And hey, I'm cool now I've got a podcast. Now
498
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:47.680
they're not gonna go to like the extent they're gonna say, oh,
499
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we're independent media now, right, I mean that just that's
500
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a bit of a step too far, but they're gonna
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say it more coman. Yet, now to your second point, So,
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so you know, uh, there's a a guy in the
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in the US. His name is Dan core And and he
504
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.599
did appose that is actually quite interesting where he basically
505
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:10.240
said that a lot of the so called alternative podcasting
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space in the US potentially elsewhere is like a national
507
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.559
security theater.
508
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That's why he called it. It's a national security theater.
509
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.960
So they're working for different interests and that that's a
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whole different discussion, and and that that definitely, like, you know,
511
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I mean, if that's revealed that like you know, the
512
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majority of the big names in this space have something,
513
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:30.319
have an agenda that is different than the truth, right,
514
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.720
if they're if they're all ultimate goal is not to
515
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.079
propagate the truth, right, but do something else then that
516
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.599
that that doesn't really benefit the medium very much, right,
517
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.880
But the politicians I think, Look, I think when when
518
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someone lands on a podcast by a sitting politician or
519
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.559
even on a former politician, right, I think John Anderson,
520
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.000
we used to be like deputy Prime minister. He's got
521
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:55.960
the podcasts and there's a bunch of oats. I think
522
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.359
Tony Abatt has a podcast. They all have a podcast, right,
523
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that's cool. But the way people land on that, I mean,
524
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.720
even if you're nor me right, you know what you're getting.
525
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.759
Right, Okay, well okay, so so like you know, you're
526
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.079
not gonna get like you know, for from Sarah Henson
527
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:12.559
young like a young like you know, young global leader.
528
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:16.119
You're not gonna say, oh, the w F penetrates the cabinets, right,
529
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:17.640
You're not You're not gonna say.
530
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.480
That, so you know, and even if your norm me right,
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you understand that.
532
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.960
So the okay, So what I'm trying to say with
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that is the threat to truly independent podcasting and in
534
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.160
the media that can actually make an impact is not
535
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.799
from the politicians, because nobody takes a podcast from a
536
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:41.039
politician seriously. The threat, the genuine threat, right, is supposedly
537
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:47.720
independent podcasters who discredit themselves, either on purpose to serve
538
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:52.039
the agenda that you just said, right, or inadvertently because
539
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.599
like you know, they allow themselves to be tied with
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00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.960
certain people, or take money from certain people, or be
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associated with certain organizations.
542
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.759
Right, that's the biggeries. So so I am not worried
543
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at all about.
544
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:09.440
Like you know, podcasters studying about politicians sitting or former
545
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.960
starting not so far. I don't care at least, like
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00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.680
you know, with them, you know what you're getting, right,
547
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:20.000
Like output can start his own podcas who cares, you know,
548
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:24.680
So that's not a threat. The threat is from people who,
549
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especially people who claim that they are independent, right, People
550
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.079
who don't claim that they're independent, they said, look, this
551
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.599
is who we work for, this is our founders, this
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is our sponsors.
553
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.400
Take it or leave it, that's cool, right.
554
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.559
But people who say that they are independent, and then
555
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.640
you dig a little bit, like you know, beneath the
556
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surface and you find out that they're not. They're the
557
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ones that are doing the real damic and they're doing
558
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:50.880
the damage because they discredit themselves in front of the
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awake population, Like the people who like you know, think
560
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that they figured things out right and think that they
561
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now know like they found independent sources that they can trust,
562
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and all of a sudd those independent I'm not so trustworthy.
563
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That's where the breakdown really happens.
564
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.079
And I can say from my personal experience as well,
565
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because I mean I used to follow all the big
566
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names when like you know, even before I started my platform,
567
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.160
and I thought they were like the Disneys, like you know,
568
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.799
like the Redactors and all these ones, right and like
569
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.599
you know, and I thought then I thought, oh wow, COWSLD,
570
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.720
like you know, he really sticking sticking it up to Fox.
571
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News and okay. And then then like you know, as.
572
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You start following them, and you especially when you look
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at the funding, you look at like who funded there,
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like you know, new Media Venture and all that sort
575
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.240
of stuff, and you're realized, Okay, whoa, I think I've
576
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.039
been done. And that's unpleasant. That's unpleasant. It is not pleasant.
577
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.559
It is a painful journey.
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00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.640
Oh absolutely, It's kind of like what is that never
579
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.799
never made your idols type of tough situation. But just
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00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.720
on those two things, the politicians having podcasts and the
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so called independent podcasts. I mean, I think that's part
582
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of the burning tiphire and the failure of the rebranding
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for politicians and these types of people is that you know,
584
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they can't follow the model, if you like, because they
585
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:14.720
can't engage with the audience. They're completely incapable and uh
586
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.759
probably not allowed to actually at risk of you know,
587
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.319
making their party or whoever they work for look bad.
588
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.319
So the truth their agenda is anything but the truth,
589
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.680
whether it's commercial agenda, political agenda, like the Nazis are
590
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.160
the good guys, these are the it doesn't matter, like
591
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.640
there's always an agenda that is not the truth, right,
592
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:36.920
It's very very simple.
593
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.200
Like by definition they can't. It's not their job.
594
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.359
But they're not journalists, like you know, it's not their job.
595
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.119
The truth is not their business. They're not in the
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00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.680
business of, like you know, being truth speaking or truth tellers.
597
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:46.680
Like it's not it's not their thing.
598
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:47.920
Very simple.
599
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:53.400
And Kim Iverson did a really interesting not interesting, I thought,
600
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a very good video a few a couple of weeks ago.
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Thing is part of one of her broadcasts, and she
602
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.839
was talking about independent media and that threat that you're
603
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:10.519
referring to. You know, for anybody that might be confused here,
604
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you know, I would suggest you're not threatened by independent media,
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00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.200
just like I'm not. The problem is the damage that
606
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:26.640
these impostors are actually doing to the truth and actually
607
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:32.400
informing people. Kim's part of Kim's show was about the impostors,
608
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:36.640
if you like, and she was she had somebody on
609
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.640
there and they were discussing why would they be doing that,
610
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:44.079
and you know, discussing the different reasons why you'd have
611
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:50.599
these people who who appeal to the awake or liberty loving,
612
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:59.000
freedom loving community, why they would be engaged in deceiving people?
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00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:04.960
You know, is there a new program? You know you
614
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:09.280
mentioned mocking Bird at the start of the show. Do
615
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.360
we have a new kind of program in operation with
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00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:17.119
the rise of independent media globally? I mean, you know,
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00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.400
anybody to say that that's a conspiracy theory needs to
618
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.920
have a little bit of a think about it, because
619
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.440
it certainly is going on, especially in the five Iron
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nation countries, with the rise of independent media. I would suggest, yeah, look.
621
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.079
The the okay, So so as far as like, you know,
622
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:45.159
the continuation of mocking Bird, I mean, some people claim.
623
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.679
And they're probably right, mockingboard never really ended.
624
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.199
Whether it's called now something else, so it's still called
625
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.760
mocking It never really ended, right, And I mean we've
626
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:54.880
seen that in the early days of the pandemic with
627
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.360
the operation of the night units that were using like
628
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.719
the media in a very professional way to like, you know,
629
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.599
convey a certain like plant literally was like an inception,
630
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.280
like putting an idea in people's head, and people thought.
631
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.280
Oh, it's my idea. I came up with it. I'm
632
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:08.760
so smart.
633
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.360
I listened to the TV and Okay, that's the lesson
634
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.639
that I learned from them. And I read that conclusion myself.
635
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.320
So now I'm gonna go and get a jab, I'm
636
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.760
gonna put a mask. I'm gonna gonna go let myself
637
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:19.960
down because I need to protect your grammar. Right, I'm
638
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.719
so smart, like I figured it out, or maybe I
639
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.480
need to wear like an N ninety five industrial mask
640
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.840
or whatever. So so that's that's nudgic, that's inception, right.
641
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:32.599
So I mean that that program never really ended, right,
642
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.679
And I mean, look, I mean those people, okay, so
643
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.559
here here's the thing. So, like you know, I when
644
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.880
I kind of had my realization and that was, like,
645
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.800
you know, in mid twenty twenty three that something is
646
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.599
not right, like in on our side, something is not
647
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.079
quite there, something doesn't add up right. And I tried, okay,
648
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.679
I'm really again it initially it was for my own benefit, right,
649
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:57.480
and I tried to like approach it in a very
650
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.760
very structured way, and I did a mass piece about
651
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.320
like a control or position that took me three months
652
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.360
to research, and right it's it's massive, Like I mean,
653
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:07.880
I literally, like you know, I reached the limits of
654
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.760
like you know, the editor that was available at the time.
655
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.599
It's substext and even when I imported that into my
656
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:14.280
ghost website, it's almost broke it.
657
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:15.880
So it's a massive piece.
658
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.840
So I want people. But ultimately, what the conclusion that
659
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.039
I came that I came to was the two main
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00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.320
objectives for control or position in any space, including.
661
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.760
The media space. Right, one is to flood the zone.
662
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.400
And people know the concept of flood the zone is.
663
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.280
Just so much information and you can't figure out, Okay,
664
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.360
what is important, what is pertinent, what needs to be
665
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.199
addressed right now, what can be action right now right?
666
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.960
And what doesn't what can wait? M right so so
667
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:53.199
flood the zone and run out the clock. Right, So
668
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.039
that's a basketball term or sporting term.
669
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:56.719
Mm hmm.
670
00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.800
I like, don't worry, we're doing legal action.
671
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:01.679
It's okay.
672
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:03.559
You don't have to do anything. We got it.
673
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.239
We've got like hot throt lawyers, we've got raising all
674
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:10.119
these funds, like run the santists behind us, and we're
675
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.239
gonna apply to the International Court, and we're gonna apply
676
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.440
to the UN, and we're gonna apply to the malor
677
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.440
Recording New Zealand apparently.
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00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.639
It's a thing or whatever. Right, and you know, all
679
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.079
about anything because those people are gonna be healthy. Account
680
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.800
don't do anything. It's okay. In the meantime, just gone
681
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.800
with your life, pay taxes, peasants. Everything is good. We're
682
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:28.440
under control.
683
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.559
So that is ultimately the purpose. Right, And then all
684
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.719
of a sudden, like you can't. You have all these
685
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.079
like camps coming out, and you know, flatterers and virus
686
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.119
no virus, and the Nazis and the Jews and the Muslims,
687
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.639
and look, I'm not saying that these topics are not important,
688
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.239
right absolutely, Like you know, whether there's too much immigration, whether.
689
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.679
Israel or Qatar or whoever.
690
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.639
Has too much influence on like you know, domestic politics
691
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.559
and virus countries. Absolutely very very important, right where the
692
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.440
viruses exist or no? Absolutely, look absolutely, let's have this discussion.
693
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:03.559
All very important and maybe there's actions that need to
694
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.599
be taken on it, but let's win the war first.
695
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.480
Like what we've got, Like, okay, the agenda is advancing
696
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.519
right right that the steamroll thing, like I mean, digital
697
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:15.599
idea is being rolled out everywhere, edge verification, operating seas,
698
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:16.559
all that sort of stuff.
699
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:18.239
What's happening now right?
700
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.000
And we were like, you know, we were like arguing, Okay,
701
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.920
whose God is like you know better or whether like
702
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:25.599
you know, white people are better than black people are
703
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:29.239
brown people. So this this, this thises do not happening
704
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.800
in the vacuum. People didn't wake up all of a sudden,
705
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.599
and we're like, okay, well, now, okay, the most important question,
706
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.519
the most important matter that needs to be attended to
707
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.880
right now and we must resolve it because nothing else
708
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.119
even comes close is where the viruses exist or not,
709
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.400
or whether the earth is flat or notth So this,
710
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.519
this doesn't happen in the fact that this was manufactured, hm, right,
711
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.119
So the manufacturing is not saying that, like, you know,
712
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.039
we need to discuss these topics. The manufacturing is say
713
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.559
this is the most important thing. We need to do
714
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.480
this now now, right, we need to like whatever, we
715
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:03.719
need to figure out this so that.
716
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.800
Okay, instead of like actually like uniting.
717
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.679
And if you remember when we had our previous conversation
718
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about how we can effectively push back against digital ID
719
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.760
using tactics that have proven to work, that always work,
720
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.159
that guarantee to work. True thing, right, And nothing really
721
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.960
happened as a result. And now I mean, based on
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data that I've seen and admitted it is government data,
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fifty five percent of Australians ever my ID.
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Yeah, right, so that's pretty bad. That's pretty bad, right,
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and and and and and.
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Whether we agree that the Earth is flat, or there's
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viruses or no viruses, or it's the Jews, the Muslims,
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the Blacks, the Whites, the yellows, it won't change the
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fact that fifty five percent of Australians ever my ID.
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And that's not good.
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That's right, so true.
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The purpose of these people, right ultimately is to create
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all these nonsense, right, And all of a sudden, now,
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all of a sudden, now we have the latest thing.
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China the good guys and Irana gonna save us or
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gonna say us.
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Putting is fighting the globally is Putting is the good guy.
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He's fighting the Satanic quest.
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And when you actually look at it, like I mean,
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when you actually look at what is happening in Russia,
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what is happening in China? Right, I mean klouds for himself.
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So China is the model, right, So China is fighting
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the globalist okay, and and even Iran, and even if
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what you want to go like I had a discussion
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with someone about Asad in Syria or Asad that's been
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duped and all that sort of stuff. But okay, well,
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let's take a few years back to the pandemic and
748
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the rollout of the vaccine, which is when everyone was
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operating in lockstep, including Russia, including China, including Iran, including Syria.
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So when the things that actually matter to the other side,
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the things that actually mattered to the enemy, everyone operates
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in unison. Now the enemy is indicating to you what's
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really important to them, because you see that all of
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a sudden, everyone is around that right sustain Development Goals
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Agenda twenty. You see everyone who's on board. Whether it's
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the Bricks or the Satanic West or whoever, everyone is
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behind it all of a sudden, like yeah, we have
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to save the environment, right or like the transligen or whatever. Right,
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so that the enemy is telling you, look, this is
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actually what's important.
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Everything else is a diversion. You fall for the diversion.
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Tough luck for you.
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I'm telling you, I'm showing you look behind, look around you.
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If everyone unites on a particular thing, that is actually
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what matters.
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And what is everyone on united on now? Digital idea,
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age verification, yep, everywhere.
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In Russia, in China, right in Venezuela, in the Satanic West,
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in the English speaking world, in the non English speaking world. Right.
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And you know you're like, you know one like you know,
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one guy comes and another guy calls, like government changes
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and nothing really changes, like you know Andy Burnham. Now
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that new UK Prime Minister will say that like oh
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we're abolishing digital idea, right, but the digital driver's license,
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the gov the gov dot uk uh ewallet, right, that's
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gonna store all your credentials. That's going to be your
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log into like you know, all government services. It's optional
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for now until it's not right, So it's all happening.
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So what I'm trying to say to people, Okay, well, okay, if.
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There's certainly independent media outlet that is pushing this narrative
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right now, they're not necessarily controller position. I wouldn't say
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automatically the controller position, but they don't really understand the
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bigger picture and what is the current state of play.
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So maybe you.
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Should listen to other voices, or maybe God forbid, think
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for yourself.
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M hm, yes, well that that's that's part of the
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nudging as well, isn't it that people people aren't capable
789
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to think for themselves, so you must consume what is
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being fed to you. I mean that, let's part of the.
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And you know, and again I always give this example,
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but it's a good example because it allows people to
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understand how the manipulation was unleashed and.
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How effective it was.
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Right.
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So let's go a few years back to the anti
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mandate rallies all over the world, right Canada, like the
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Canada Freedom Convoy.
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Right, you had all.
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Sorts of people there, and whether they were white, oh, Hindu,
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all black, or new migrants or like you know, ten
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generations in that country, right, or whether they spoke English
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perfectly or just arrived and they had broken English.
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Everyone would you wouldn't care. Like you know, you went
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to any of those freedom right and someone asks you, okay,
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well what religion are you?
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And you know, oh, look you're not white, so maybe
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you shouldn't be here, right, mm hmm. What happened?
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And there was ten years ago, there wasn't even five
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years ago, there was three years ago. What happened? Right,
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Obviously something happened. Now, why why did it happen? And
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how did it happen so quickly? Because it was manus, right?
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It was it was this this divide and conquered that
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all the strict that in existence all of a sudden, right,
815
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you know, we're gonna say, oh, right, we gotta like
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you know, the Jews are the top thing. Oh the
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Muslim immigration or the Pakistani rape games. And again I'm
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not saying that that's not important. It is important, but
819
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that's not what's important right now.
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Right there, there's a war going on.
821
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And instead of all of us facing like you know,
822
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the front right where the enemy's coming back, the enemy's
823
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here on the gate, already climbing the walls. Right that
824
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like you can see them pointing the gun at you.
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Oh you're black. Oh you're that. Oh you're a migrant.
826
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You know what I mean. Why if we want to
827
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fight amongst ourselves, that's fine, but let's win first.
828
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Exactly exactly. We've got the last half of the show
829
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coming up, but I want to show a video that
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you've sent to me, Bill Cooper on the media. Would
831
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you like to introduce this clip before I put it
832
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up on the stage.
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Marcle Sure, yeah, okay, So Bill Cooper, I'm sure a
834
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lot of people are familiar with the name, but he
835
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was like, you know, one of the og I guess,
836
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conspiracy researchers. That particular he ran, obviously a very very
837
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popular radio show, the Trend from like nineteen ninety two
838
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until his death in two thousand and one when he
839
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was killed by federal agents, called.
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The Hour of the Time.
841
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And basically this particular clip is electric that he gave
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in nineteen ninety six in the state capital of Michigan,
843
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and he discussed a lot of different things, and it
844
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was like a wide ranging thing, and it was I
845
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guess he was giving this lecture to people who already
846
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kind of awake. It was like militia people and whatever,
847
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so like you know, American patriots what they would be
848
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called now, toy, they understand the basics. But then he
849
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tried to kind of like take it to the next
850
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level and said, Okay, guys, maybe you don't actually understand
851
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what's going on. Maybe you don't even know what like
852
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the country that Turine is about, like you know what,
853
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:07.000
what is the purpose?
854
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.360
What is our common bond? What unites us?
855
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And and and after that he like you know, touches
856
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immediately on like you know, what is how does the
857
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media feed into that? And how media needs to work
858
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and how he did his own black media. I need
859
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obviously a radio show and uh and a newspaper called Veritas.
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So yeah, that's basically what he's discussing here.
861
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And I think it's very pertinent because it's nineteen ninety six,
862
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and you know, thirty years later, it's as relevant now
863
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as he was back then, maybe even more so.
864
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.719
All Right, everybody, this is Bill Craper, and we'll watch
865
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:42.199
along with you and join us when we come back.
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I'm then bond truly freedom. Freedom Without freedom, you can't
867
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.199
be a Christian, no matter what denomination you belong to,
868
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.000
you can't be a food us.
869
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.159
You can't own it donut shop, you can't drive from
870
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:09.119
here to Oregon, you can't be an American. Because that's
871
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.280
what it's all about. And it's the only thing that
872
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:15.159
it's all about. Nothing else, nothing else.
873
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:29.400
It's about freedom, freedom, holy freedom.
874
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.280
It means.
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00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.039
You have to let other people be free, even if
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00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:40.000
they disagree with you. I had a tremendous admiration for
877
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.559
the courage of those two communists who had the guts
878
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.679
to walk up with their little communist sign and their
879
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:51.960
communist flag, two of them, young people, all alone in
880
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that sea of America militia, uniformed patriots, and I saw
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00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:06.760
people who wanted to kill them. Yeah, you know, I
882
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don't like their philosophy. They misled, misguided communism is a
883
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.199
terrible thing, But they had guts. I had a great
884
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.400
respect for them, and.
885
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I believe in freedom, which.
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Means there is no way in the world that we
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00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.840
could have had that meeting.
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00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:35.320
On your state House grounds this morning unless they had
889
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.960
the right to do what they did.
890
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.559
And you had better understand that, because if you stop
891
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:47.559
them from having their freedom to make their political statement,
892
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:56.519
you have stopped yourself, you have stopped everyone and that
893
00:48:56.599 --> 00:49:00.320
must never happen in this country. It must never happen
894
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.519
in this country because if it does, there'll never be
895
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.079
another congregation like this, and you'll never hear me speak again,
896
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.000
because I'll be dead, and so will most of you.
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This country is.
898
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:20.119
About freedom, because only with freedom can you have all
899
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.599
of the other things that everybody professes that they want.
900
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:28.239
That's the only way it can be done.
901
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.639
I hear all kinds of misconceptions and misstatements.
902
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.920
I have the freedom of the press. No you don't,
903
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:39.159
No you don't.
904
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:40.960
The man who owns the press has the freedom of
905
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.880
the press, and he can say in his press whatever
906
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:49.840
he wants, but you can't. That's why I get angry
907
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.400
with Americans when they say the Jews control the press.
908
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:59.960
Who sold it to them?
909
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:01.440
How they get it?
910
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:11.199
You want the press, start a press, you want to be.
911
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.000
On the radio, do it.
912
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:19.960
But stop whining, stop bitching, stop complaining.
913
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.719
That guy that owns the press, that's his press.
914
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He can do with it what he wants, just like
915
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.320
you do with your car what you want, because it's
916
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:30.000
your property.
917
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.199
He doesn't owe you anything unless.
918
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You've got a contract with his signature on it that
919
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.039
says he will print what you say.
920
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.960
So if you can't produce that, he doesn't owe you anything.
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00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:45.960
That's America. You know what's wonderful about America. You can
922
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.880
have a press. I have a press. How many of
923
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:53.039
you seen my newspaper. That newspaper is no joke. It
924
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makes congress Man cringe when they see it. It scares
925
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.960
the hell out of the enemy. You too, can have
926
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a radio show. I'm gonna teach you how just here,
927
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in just a couple of minutes. You two can publish
928
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books like this.
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I did it. The Harvest Trust is the trust for
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my children. I'm not rich. I don't have anything now.
931
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I financed this book.
932
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I sold copies before it was printed to people who
933
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believed enough in me to buy 'em. I don't have
934
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any money and my family and that's all the wealth
935
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I ever need.
936
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I don't make any money from my radio show.
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Veritas is operated in the red from the beginning and
938
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probably always will. But I got something that you don't have.
939
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I have a breat press. It's mine and I get
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to say what I want, and I get to publish
941
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what I want and print what I want because it's
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mine and I'm free, and it's my free press. That's
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why I don't care if somebody calls up my radio
944
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show and say they don't like what I say.
945
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Screw you, get your own show.
946
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.639
I don't care that they complain because I won't let
947
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them talk on my radio show. Screw you, get your
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own radio show.
949
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This is mind bogs to me. I don't have any
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contract with you. I don't know you anything.
951
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Right, And why that is so relevant because this is
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nineteen ninety six now thirty years later. Like you know,
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replace the printing press or the newspaper or the radio
954
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station with an online platform and it's exactly the same. Right.
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So people say, oh, like.
956
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You know you're impeded, like you know, Facebook censoring me
957
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or Twitter sensoring me, or substat censoring me, or any
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of the platform or Rumble censoring me. Oh you're like,
959
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you know, you're impeding on my freedom of press. Well,
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you don't have a freedom of press. This is a
961
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private property. If they're a private company, they can do
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whatever they want. It's their platform.
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Mm hmm.
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Right, So so you know, I mean the freedom of
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the press, Like you know, it's protected in the Constitution,
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but it doesn't say in the Constitution that any online
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00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:23.159
platform or any private business has to give you a
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platform against the private companies, it's it's their property, right,
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just like no other like radio show or like what
970
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.360
billpoop person or newspaper needs to print what you say
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00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:36.920
unless you have a contract with them and you pay
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them money to publish what you say. Very simple. So
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freedom of the press doesn't mean that those platforms have
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to platform you, and we know for the fact that
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they don't because they have other interests. Their are their
976
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.079
interests are not aligned with the interests of their creator
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or the creators or the people who post stuff on
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00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.920
the platform. I mean that that that should be relatantly
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00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:02.159
obvious to anyone. So you know, so where to from here?
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00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:02.519
Right?
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00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:04.519
So things have not really changed, like I mean, the
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00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.639
terminology has changed. But what he's saying there is more
983
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.920
true now than it has ever been because the Internet,
984
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.360
and I've said that in previous interviews, the Internet started
985
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:17.639
with this great promise of democratizing everything, like you know,
986
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.880
everyone can have a website, and like you know, then
987
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.800
podcasting started and you can upload your audio and you
988
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.199
can say and do whatever you want, and then YouTube
989
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:25.760
came along.
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00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.159
Before it became a vehement or anyone can upload an
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audio video. Excellent, right, good.
992
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.639
But then later on, like you know, they became vehemence
993
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.199
and instead of being this free and open internet where
994
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.519
people go and discover like you know, IFC chat rooms
995
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:43.639
or articles via our assays all this sort of stuff, right,
996
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:49.000
everyone goes to Facebook, Orto, Twitter, Auto substeps, Orto, Instagram
997
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.559
and those platforms, like they're not the Internet. Like some people,
998
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.519
especially the older like you know generation, they think the
999
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.039
Google is the Internet, like they think I go to
1000
00:54:58.079 --> 00:54:59.840
the Internet and then ask you what do you mean
1001
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.039
by oh, I got that there's this Google and then
1002
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:05.559
I type something, well, that's not the Internet, that's Google, right,
1003
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.760
so you know, so this is what happened and as
1004
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:12.880
a result, that's why people like you know that they're famous,
1005
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:14.679
like you know, freedom of speech, but not freedom of
1006
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.119
reach because it's theirs, like they don't owe you anything,
1007
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:22.000
and quite often their business like model is not aligned
1008
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.400
definitely not aligned with truth, but not even aligned with
1009
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.719
your own interests, especially as a small independent creator.
1010
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:27.679
Very simple.
1011
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:34.000
Well, it's interesting you Bill has said it, and you've
1012
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.840
just said it there that you know, there's these outlets,
1013
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.559
whether they be internet, print based whatever, news Corps. They
1014
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:46.679
don't owe us anything. We've already you know, touched on
1015
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.719
editorial standards, all these things, all those things might be there,
1016
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:54.519
but they don't owe us anything. And just within a
1017
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:02.039
matter of days we have had it brought to our
1018
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:07.519
attention and of I'll not say by corporate media, but
1019
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:14.079
that labor is quietly paying journalists wages at one hundred
1020
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:19.519
and eighty four news rooms. So we have anika wells
1021
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:25.480
with the Journalism Assistance Fund, which amounts to about sixty
1022
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:32.199
seven million or just over sixty seven million dollars for
1023
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:44.360
various outlets if you like. And you know, some argue that, well, anyway,
1024
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.559
it doesn't matter what they argue. But you know, News Corps,
1025
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:52.159
Sky News, the Guardian, we're all exam are not exempt,
1026
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.119
were not allowed to receive this money. So that there's
1027
00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:58.039
there's a whole discussion about, you know, who was who's
1028
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.519
going to be recaving this money, and who's not going
1029
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:04.599
to be receiving this money. But the fact of the
1030
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:08.039
matter is is that these outlets don't owe us anything.
1031
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:13.960
But when we have the government, the government donating if
1032
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:18.519
you like, I would I would say donating money or
1033
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:24.719
supporting through funds, these media outlets with millions of dollars,
1034
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:27.800
some of them even hundreds of thousand dollars. When you
1035
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:29.719
get lower down the list of the one hundred and
1036
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:34.519
eighty four new newsrooms, you know, wouldn't it naturally follow
1037
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.559
that these outlets do owe someone something? And if the
1038
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:43.719
government is interested in controlling the narrative through the media,
1039
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.320
who is you know, more often than not the megaphone
1040
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:51.280
for the government. Should we, in fact be concerned that
1041
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.079
we do have this? You know, millions and millions of
1042
00:57:54.119 --> 00:58:00.920
dollars been distributed to a series of news outlets.
1043
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.719
Well, I mean very very okay.
1044
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:08.400
So in the Soviet Union, right, there was a newspaper
1045
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:11.519
called Pada means a truth in Russian.
1046
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:12.559
Funny enough, right.
1047
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.039
The problem was was all, like you know, obviously like
1048
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:17.480
a communist like outlet.
1049
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:19.679
Right, it was like the government mouthpiece.
1050
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:23.039
All the journalists, right, all the people who were like
1051
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:27.280
you know, had headlines there in head by by lines
1052
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.400
in that newspaper were literally like government employees, most of
1053
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:31.599
them KGB agents.
1054
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.480
So this is exactly the same, just not as much
1055
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:35.159
as in your faith.
1056
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.599
So this is where it's very important for people to
1057
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:45.880
make the distinction between public money and public interest because
1058
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.920
those two things are not the same, and they very
1059
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.159
rarely these days they are the same. Because people say
1060
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:54.840
a lot of this, I think some of this money
1061
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.360
was taken I think from Facebook, right, the government forced
1062
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.480
like Facebook to pay for whatever for like you know
1063
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:03.880
that the news contents legacy outlets put on the platform,
1064
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.679
and they took their money, right, and then they said, okay.
1065
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.320
Well we'll distribute that to media.
1066
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.480
So you think, okay, well that sounds good and that's
1067
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.119
like you know, public money, right, because the government got there,
1068
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.519
and how the government is distributing that. But it's not
1069
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.320
in the public interest because who's funding like people, That's
1070
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.199
what people make the mistake. People think, okay, well, if
1071
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.360
it's public money, it is funded by the public.
1072
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:28.480
No, it is not, because.
1073
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:31.280
There's an intermediate. There's like a big intermediate standing like
1074
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:34.559
a gatekeeper, big gatekeeper standing in the middle that gatekeepers
1075
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:38.079
called the government for the government is giving the money
1076
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.599
even though it's public money, even though it starts paying
1077
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.599
money maybe even charity money.
1078
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:42.920
Right.
1079
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:45.400
If the government is like you know, standing there right,
1080
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.400
and the government is distributing those funds, then the government
1081
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.880
has controlled and you don't want to upset the people
1082
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:52.719
who give you the money.
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00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:53.800
M hm.
1084
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.519
So this is where it becomes very very important, and
1085
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.400
it is a distinction that can be challenging. There is
1086
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:08.119
a big difference between public funding and public interest, right,
1087
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.159
because you could say all the public board, I mean
1088
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:11.559
the core public broadcasters.
1089
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:15.119
Why of course they're supposedly funded by the public, but.
1090
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.880
They're not public interest because they're not actually funded by
1091
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:21.239
the public. You give taxes, right, whether it's like you know,
1092
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.000
a consolidated revenue in Australia or special licensing fees like
1093
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.559
in the UK. Right, you give it. You don't give
1094
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:29.679
it to the BBC. You give it to the government,
1095
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.000
and then the government gives it to the BBC. So
1096
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:35.440
as soon as that this intermediate in it's like a bank,
1097
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.239
it's the same thing. Like the bank then decides what
1098
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.440
happens with the money. So the government decide what happens
1099
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:40.000
with the money.
1100
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:43.039
You upset the government, right, you don't get the money.
1101
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.760
It's very simple. I mean, you don't have to be like,
1102
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.719
you know, a genius to understand that. So that's where like,
1103
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.519
you know, the ship needs to focus. Because with commercial media,
1104
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.719
it's pretty simple, like you know, commercial legacy media it's
1105
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.320
pretty simple and even independent, even so called alternative media.
1106
01:00:58.519 --> 01:00:58.760
Right.
1107
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:05.159
If commercial like you know, legacy media, right, takes a
1108
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:10.400
lot of their money from pharma, pretty obvious, what's gonna happen, right,
1109
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:11.480
it's not rocket science.
1110
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:14.920
But then if you have an alternative.
1111
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:18.159
Media outlet that takes a lot of their money, say
1112
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:22.760
from the wellness company or from people who are like
1113
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.079
you know, want to promote a certain agenda like multi
1114
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:30.840
polarism or maybe I don't know, maybe they're Zionists or
1115
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:33.960
maybe they're anti zionists or whatever, but they have an agenda, right,
1116
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.440
So they're not giving you the money because.
1117
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:37.400
Oh, you're doing a good job.
1118
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.280
I want to support you and for you to keep going, right,
1119
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:42.559
They're giving you because they have the agenda and they're
1120
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:46.480
your primary or soul funder. So it's not like there's
1121
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:48.519
also other people. They're also like, you know, finding you,
1122
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.880
so you rely on them. So it's an alternative media outlet,
1123
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:55.000
there's no difference. You're not gonna buy like you know,
1124
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:57.679
like the hand that feeds you. It's very simple. So
1125
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.519
it's the same thing, right.
1126
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.320
But when it comes to like the public broadcasters, that's
1127
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:04.239
a lot for me.
1128
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:07.239
I can say personally, because I was like a massive
1129
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:09.960
fan of the ABC for many years, right because oh yes, yes,
1130
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:12.360
yes we report with our fear of favor with public
1131
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:14.480
interests were public you know, four corners and all that
1132
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:14.960
sort of stuff.
1133
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:15.840
Yeah, cool, awesome.
1134
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:19.079
But then but then then then when like they were needed,
1135
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.079
really needed more than any any other time in history, arguably,
1136
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:26.119
they felt miserably. And then you realize that they're not
1137
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:29.960
actually public interest. They just rely on public money. That's
1138
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:30.880
the difference.
1139
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:37.480
For anybody interested. You can go along to uh one
1140
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:42.280
News Australia and it looks like a one nation news outlet,
1141
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:42.840
but it's not.
1142
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:43.880
Uh.
1143
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:48.119
It just looks like that's probably very clever branding at
1144
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:51.679
the moment. I don't know, who knows, probably not, no, nothing,
1145
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.280
h never even thought of it, Who knows? But anyway,
1146
01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:00.039
I figure along to this article they do have they do?
1147
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:04.400
You have a list of the recipients the company grant
1148
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:10.199
recipients and the outlets the owners, how much and what
1149
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:17.599
percentage of the fund they have received. And it's quite
1150
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:20.599
interesting as you go down the list. It is a
1151
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:31.079
very long list to see who is being granted a
1152
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:37.320
share of this money if you like. But it really does.
1153
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.039
I think it really does, or it should press the
1154
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:52.320
point to people more, you know, the seriousness of taking
1155
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:56.400
responsibility yourself if you're interested. I mean, I mean, let's
1156
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.400
face it, Michael, a lot of people aren't interested in
1157
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:01.639
the news. A lot of people are, but they're just
1158
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.480
really time poor, you know, all these sorts of things.
1159
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.119
But if that's not you, and you're not time poor,
1160
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.719
and you do have five minutes and you are interested,
1161
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:16.719
I think now with this grant of sixty seven million
1162
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:21.039
across all these different outlets, it should press upon you
1163
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:26.960
to take responsibility for yourself, to actually take the time
1164
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:35.440
to be able to assure yourself that you are sourcing
1165
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:45.559
accurate media because the time for the time of you know,
1166
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:50.800
you know, still having that veil across people's faces, or
1167
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:54.159
you know, the programming still being totally plugged into your
1168
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:59.400
brain where you still actually think that media, whether they're corporate,
1169
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:06.000
public or independent, is giving you, you know, unbiased, you know,
1170
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:14.280
non activist truth or information you know at that time
1171
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:16.960
is truly done and dusted. So you know, with this
1172
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:20.199
these grants for all these outlets, so I think people
1173
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:22.920
really need to you know, get their finger out. As
1174
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:24.400
I said, if they have the time, they have their
1175
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:28.960
interest to make sure that they are sourcing and consuming
1176
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:34.159
information and news and whether it's just podcasts that you do,
1177
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:39.000
not necessarily news or whatever, that does have your best
1178
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:45.639
interest at heart, you know, because I'm sure I don't know, Michael,
1179
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:50.400
I'm sure you didn't get involved in this kind of work,
1180
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:56.199
you know, for fun. It's because I would assume you
1181
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:01.079
care about the war. That we were just touching on
1182
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:06.079
things that are important and getting that information at people,
1183
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:07.000
you know.
1184
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:08.880
Hundred percent.
1185
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:10.880
And I mean, look, Robert what you said, like you know,
1186
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:13.360
it's not even just the news, right, I mean that's
1187
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:16.800
what people need to understand, Like I mean journalists, Journalism
1188
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.880
is not just news, right, I mean news is like you, okay,
1189
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.360
we're breaking news. I mean, look at AAI can probably
1190
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.719
aggregate it from like new news wise and stuff like that.
1191
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:26.119
It's interpreting the news.
1192
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.159
It's explaining to people what's behind the news, like you know,
1193
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.440
doing deep dives into like you know, investigative journalists into
1194
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:34.920
what like you know what what like these big like
1195
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:37.960
you know, entities even in the independent media space or
1196
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:40.239
in the resistance or in like you know, whatever, the
1197
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.239
health freedom movement, right, I mean, who's actually behind them?
1198
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.800
And does it make sense that people who are supposed
1199
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:48.679
to be like, you know, anti vaccine and pro freedom
1200
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:50.119
will take money from people like that?
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01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:50.400
Right?
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01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:51.960
So that that that's the sort of stuff. And I
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01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:55.320
mean even the articles that you mentioned, I mean, look
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01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:55.519
at it.
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01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:57.800
There's like a paragraph there. I'll just quickly read that.
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01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:58.119
Right.
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01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:02.760
So the exclusion list says lifestyle, entertainment.
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01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.400
And real estate aren't corn.
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01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.679
News, which I think nobody would argue with, but the
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01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:12.880
recipiently says otherwise. Men of Many, a Sydney side covering watches,
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01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:17.480
cars and style, took three hundred and sixty eight thousand,
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01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.159
five hundred and eleven dollars.
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01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.840
The company behind a sports.
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01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:25.039
Radio network, sen don't even know what it is took
1215
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:27.920
two hundred and forty eight thousand, eight hundred and twenty
1216
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:32.880
time to Roam, a caravaning and camping title took eighty
1217
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:37.079
five thousand, eight hundred, enough for two founded journalists. Limelight,
1218
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:40.679
a classical music magazine, took one hundred and eleven thousand,
1219
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:43.920
five hundred and forty. Elite Agent, a trade title for
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01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.440
real estate agents, took eighty five thousand, eight hundred.
1221
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:49.280
So so what the hell.
1222
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:51.280
Now, I mean you can say that maybe even like
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01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:53.840
this money from the government is not too bad because
1224
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:54.559
I mean they're.
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01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.480
Not like in a really cold journalism. They're not journalists, right,
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01:07:57.519 --> 01:07:58.039
But there's.
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01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.440
Names that like you know, promote themselves as being independent,
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01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:04.400
like for example, and I mean I've got nothing against him,
1229
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:07.400
but like you know, Michael West, right, that's like you know,
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01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:11.000
independent journalism. They got like one hundred and twenty eight
1231
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:14.039
thousand from that ground. Now, look, I mean that's fine.
1232
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.159
I don't know if they disclosed it. They didn't disclose it,
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01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:18.079
but if they didn't disclose it that they got like
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01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:20.199
one hundred and twenty eight thousand from the labor government,
1235
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:23.920
from the city government, right, I don't know, I think
1236
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:28.079
that's problematic. But take the money. But I said, look,
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01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.760
I mean, yes, we're independent, but we participated in this
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01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.960
program because it helps fund our independent journalism.
1239
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:35.319
And this is what we got.
1240
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:38.680
We applied and yes, but it doesn't affect doesn't affect
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01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:43.640
our coverage, doesn't affect our pieces, doesn't have any effect on.
1242
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:45.720
Our editorial policy. Fine, honky dory.
1243
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:48.560
Right, If like you know, there's another outlet that takes
1244
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:50.439
money from like you know, someone who's like has a
1245
01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:54.680
lot of commercial interest in China. Fine, dis close that
1246
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:56.680
and say, but like it looks it doesn't mean that
1247
01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:00.800
it affects in any way our editorial policy. But this,
1248
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:02.560
this is why we took the money. This is what
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01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:05.239
was given in return. Has nothing to do with content.
1250
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:08.439
Fine, no problem. But I guess what I'm saying is
1251
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.439
we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard.
1252
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:14.079
Like, you know, if we want to replace the media,
1253
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:18.520
right and we legacy media is dying and we're supposed
1254
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:20.560
to be the ones that like are actually going like
1255
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.039
you know, to do it right, like do it properly
1256
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.520
this time around, then we need to own ourselves to
1257
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:30.960
a higher standard. And that also requires a different business model. Right,
1258
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:32.640
that's another discovery.
1259
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:37.600
Well we've got I'll just pop up on the stage
1260
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:42.960
for everybody. It's a it's a very short video. This
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01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:48.000
is Anthony Leuvenstein and he's talking about what fills the gap.
1262
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:55.560
So it's just really most journalism is still totally not working.
1263
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:58.920
It just doesn't work. Yes, he's sitting Morning Herald is
1264
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:00.560
not going to die tomorrow, but but it's pretty clear
1265
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.760
where those papers are all going. They are chasing what
1266
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:07.239
they see as the aging audience, you have no one
1267
01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:09.720
only under the age of forty to fifty who reads
1268
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:12.960
those papers. Now, are they likely to suddenly embrace them
1269
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:16.359
as they get older. It's possible, and I'm not too
1270
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:18.439
optimistic about that. I mean to me, as I've said
1271
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:20.720
for a long time, the only way that the media
1272
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.960
environment changes is people support it with money. And what
1273
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.640
worries me, what worries me deeply is that for many
1274
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:32.000
people or most people who cannot afford to buy pay
1275
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:36.359
for subscribe to inverted commerce quality media, they get the slop,
1276
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.560
either literal slot put out by the Murdoch Press or
1277
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:44.279
AI slop, which increasingly is what is in our media anyway.
1278
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:49.039
So therefore what worries me is that that leads to
1279
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:53.159
no accepted facts anywhere.
1280
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.319
And we pretty much dare now no accept the facts anyway.
1281
01:10:57.319 --> 01:10:59.039
There's no such thing as true. It's like, you know
1282
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:01.199
what I mean, people like doc about the post truth world.
1283
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:03.800
I don't want to live in the post truth world.
1284
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.159
I don't know about you, but I mean, that's going
1285
01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:08.000
to be pretty wild. That's going to be pretty wild
1286
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:09.680
because you can't even agree what is there.
1287
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:10.119
And what is not.
1288
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:13.680
Yeah, who was just talking about old people there and
1289
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:19.000
the audience that you know, they're trying to hang on
1290
01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.119
for grim death, you know, to their to their aged audience.
1291
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:24.279
That the other part of that is the youth. And
1292
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:28.079
of course they've moved away once they realize that they've
1293
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:32.199
moved away from consuming anything that's on TV because you know,
1294
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.560
there's kickstreamers, there's all sorts of stuff that the young
1295
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.600
people are you know, goes on and on and on.
1296
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:42.640
Once they realized that, you know, they they they can't
1297
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:45.079
hold on to the youth anymore. They're long and gone
1298
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.880
and they will never come back to TV, you know,
1299
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:51.359
not unless you know they literally have that boot upon
1300
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:58.279
their head that all I was talking about, which could happen,
1301
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:03.000
you know, the youth. The youth are gone. They're totally gone.
1302
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:12.600
So and then of course the we our generation, we're
1303
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:16.119
kind of like the thorn in the side, if you like,
1304
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:20.920
of independent excuse me, of the government and media outlets
1305
01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:25.359
that are on the payroll if you like, because we
1306
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:31.479
are resourceful enough too, as Bill said, if you don't
1307
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.279
like the outlets, build your own, start your own, make
1308
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:38.199
your own, because they owe you nothing, so you start
1309
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.520
your own. So, you know, we are the thorn in
1310
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:48.520
the side because it's not like, you know, brain surgery. Okay,
1311
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.560
you've got to have all sorts of years of study,
1312
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.640
you've got to do your internship, you've got to have
1313
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:59.560
certain licenses because you're operating on people's skulls. You know,
1314
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.800
that's a different territory. But when we're talking about journalism,
1315
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:07.680
we can train ourselves. We're totally capable of doing that.
1316
01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:15.600
And we do have the resources and opportunity to begin
1317
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:23.359
online papers, print papers, podcasts, news shows, do our own studies,
1318
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:27.600
and publish all those sorts of things. So we are
1319
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:33.159
the thorn in the machine side at the moment. And
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01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:37.960
I don't know about your audience. The majority of my
1321
01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:42.359
audience isn't the youth. You know, it's kind of thirty
1322
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:45.880
and above, if you like. But there are youngsters out there,
1323
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.640
and we have seen them that have started their own
1324
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:53.479
news organizations who do capture the youth. So, as far
1325
01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.760
as you know, the point of no return, I think
1326
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:02.720
we've definitely reached that with with media and the old
1327
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:06.760
model and the old system that was, you know, clunking
1328
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.439
around on its last wheel for you know, however long.
1329
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:15.479
It's now a burning Ti Fi. You know, you were
1330
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:21.800
talking about, you know, actionable truth media and the actionables
1331
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:25.119
that you can take and all those sorts of things.
1332
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:29.840
So considering all of that, what is the future, especially
1333
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.960
when we're talking about that concept of free press and
1334
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:38.600
people accessing information and the responsibility of journalists moving forward
1335
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:39.359
into the future.
1336
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:43.680
Yeah, okay, so here's the thing that change. So remember
1337
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:45.319
so like you know, when when Bill Cooper was saying,
1338
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:47.000
like you know, you want to start your own radio station,
1339
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:49.840
start your own radio station. So now we're living in
1340
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:54.239
the in the age of platforms. So the platforms provide
1341
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:56.800
like no the plumbing. They provide like you know, kind
1342
01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.039
of like you know, the land where you build your house.
1343
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.720
And and as soon as those platforms don't like you
1344
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:05.720
or their business model changes or maybe like you know,
1345
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.039
there were a honeypot from the from the very beginning,
1346
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:10.359
they can do a rock pull and they can kick
1347
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.720
you out. So what you're saying, yes, each of us
1348
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:15.960
can start out on outlet and like you know, start
1349
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:19.560
a podcast. And uh, podcast is actually a good example
1350
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.960
because podcast is similar to a website, right, so you
1351
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:25.560
can move around and you have a lot more control, right,
1352
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:27.640
especially like you know, with your assess feed and stuff
1353
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.079
like that. But you know, if you start a YouTube channel, right,
1354
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:33.439
or you start a Facebook page, or you start a
1355
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:35.720
thub stack, right, something I can say for my own
1356
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:38.000
personal experience that I've learned the hard way, right, And
1357
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:40.920
I'm supposed to be a tech guy.
1358
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:42.199
This is not your property.
1359
01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:46.000
Like there's a landlord, right, and the landlords can come
1360
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.039
and kick you out at any time. So if you
1361
01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:52.319
really want to do things properly, you want to take
1362
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.119
it to the next level, and you want to have
1363
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:56.600
your own land and your own plumbing that you cannot
1364
01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:59.000
kick be kicked out of And what does that mean?
1365
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:02.199
And looking in like, you know, one of the benefits
1366
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:04.439
of the Internet is that it makes it.
1367
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:05.279
A lot.
1368
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.359
More viable and cost effective.
1369
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:09.199
To do that.
1370
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:11.039
Because, for example, I'll give you an example, so we
1371
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:11.640
Bill Cooper.
1372
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:15.920
If you wanted to syndicate its radio show globally, you
1373
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:18.720
had to buy satellite time to have like a satellite
1374
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:20.760
time and have broadcast is feed all over the world.
1375
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.640
That's obviously very expensive. Now you don't have to do that.
1376
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:25.239
All you need is a podcast feed. You have an
1377
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:26.840
hour set feed and you good to go, and you're
1378
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:29.159
not relying te technical platform. You know, if you get
1379
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:32.199
banned by Spotify, you still have your feet available to
1380
01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:36.159
any other podcast list listening at. Right, So we need
1381
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:38.239
to take it to the next level. Right, so we
1382
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:42.279
don't rely on any of the platforms. We have infrastructure
1383
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:45.600
that allows us to broadcast our own stuff. And in
1384
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:49.000
the age of the Internet it is has never been
1385
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.960
easier and has never been more cost effective. But there
1386
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:54.880
are still costs involved in that. So you need to
1387
01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:57.159
have the infrastructure, and also you need to have the
1388
01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:00.760
alignment of interest. You need to have a perfect alignment
1389
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:06.159
of interests between the media, media outlet and the audience
1390
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:11.039
that consumes be reporting news whatever right and the only way,
1391
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.079
like you know, as Anthony Launsting said in that and
1392
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:15.760
then clip and I agree within one hundred percent, the
1393
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.920
only way that there's a perfect alignment is if there
1394
01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:24.399
is public funding, but public funding the right way, not
1395
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:29.279
with the government as an intermediate, direct public funding, so
1396
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:34.600
the people fund the journalists that report the truth, and
1397
01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:36.960
those journalists are then behold.
1398
01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:39.720
Only to the only to them.
1399
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:42.520
Like they cannot have advertisers, they cannot take sponsorships, and
1400
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:44.800
if they, like you know, fail on their duty to
1401
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:48.079
report the truth and start like spewing agendas or behaving
1402
01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:50.920
in a dishonorable way like you know, doing us for
1403
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:54.920
fiss for crying out loud. Over very simple. The people
1404
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:56.760
who fund the will simply start funding them. And they
1405
01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:59.479
can do that because they fund directly. Like it's not
1406
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.119
like to the it's not like you have to say, oh,
1407
01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:03.960
I don't want to find the ABC anymore, so I'm
1408
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:07.079
going to stop paying text Literally you cancel your subscription
1409
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.920
and they die. If enough people do that because you're
1410
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:12.479
pissed off enough people because you're not doing the right thing.
1411
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:13.119
They die.
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01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:17.079
And that's the only model that works now, I guess,
1413
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:20.079
you know, people saying and rightfully, so like you know, look,
1414
01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:22.600
I can't afford like you know, subscriptions to a million
1415
01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.239
and one, like you know, independent, like so many people
1416
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:30.079
that are like podcasters whatever, independent journalists. I just can't
1417
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:31.439
afford it, Like you know, I'm in the post of
1418
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:34.079
living and stuff like that. Okay, So what you do
1419
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:37.079
on the other side is there's a consolidation. But the
1420
01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:43.239
consolidation has to happen in a very smart, planned and
1421
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:47.199
structured way to ensure that you align yourself and I
1422
01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:51.279
guess group yourself with other people that share the same values,
1423
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:53.800
and you do it through a structure that supports that,
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01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:56.479
and you do it through a funding model that supports that.
1425
01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.560
And once you achieve scale, it means that you can
1426
01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:05.680
charge less and give more. You can become right, I mean,
1427
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:08.119
you know, very simple example, like you know Netflix, Like
1428
01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:09.960
you know, whatever you pay whatever it is now, I
1429
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:11.399
don't know, fifteen bucks a month, I don't know.
1430
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:12.560
I don't pay for Netflix.
1431
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:14.640
But and you get like access to like I don't know,
1432
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:17.039
a million titles or whatever they have in their library.
1433
01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:18.479
Right, or you have like.
1434
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:21.079
The free toware catch up services that are free but
1435
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:24.680
like you know, powered by ads, right, So the same thing,
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01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:28.560
but it requires consolidation. Nobody's gonna pay twenty dollars a
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01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:32.600
month to have access to ten movies, right, or even
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01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.880
one hundred movies. Right. But then like you know, when
1439
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.760
there's a big organization that can produce a lot of content, right,
1440
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:40.880
and you have a lot of selection, and maybe it's
1441
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:43.680
not even just news, maybe it's other stuff as well, right,
1442
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:47.039
And then their organization then finals like whatever extra profits
1443
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:49.800
they generate into supporting other ventures, like you know, maybe
1444
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:53.039
an independent publishing out or a newspaper or like you know,
1445
01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:55.800
small businesses that are freedom aligned or whatever, like you know,
1446
01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:59.520
maybe like a mutual support network, like you know, to
1447
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:01.960
help people that lost their job because of mandates or
1448
01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:04.199
stuff like that. Then all of a sudden, there's a
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01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:08.000
perfect alignment of interests. Everyone is aligned, and it's very
1450
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:10.640
very clear. You know, Okay, well, I'm doing this work.
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01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:13.439
You find me directly, this is what I give you
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01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:17.439
in return. If I stop doing that, you cancel your
1453
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:19.920
subscription and I die.
1454
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:25.520
Very simple, that's it, yep. And when you have to
1455
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:27.920
do some pretty incredible.
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01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:36.039
Things absolutely, I mean, I'm just imagining people. You know,
1457
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:40.159
some people might find that confusing, but you know, it
1458
01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:48.880
just to kind of drawing an analogy. You know, it's like, well,
1459
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:53.239
certainly for myself, a good hairdresser and a good dentist.
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01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:57.159
You know, it takes you a very long time to
1461
01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:00.920
find a good hairdresser and a good dentist. And when
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01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:06.279
you do find one, you want to stick with them.
1463
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:09.960
And you know, if they cost a little bit more,
1464
01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:13.520
or the waiting list is a little bit longer and
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01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:17.000
you have to pre book, which some you know, whatever,
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01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:21.520
people do that because they want the service. And when
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01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:25.920
you find a bad airdresser and a bad dentist. You
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01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:30.199
don't pay for their services and you don't go back
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01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:35.439
to them, and ultimately the businesses don't do well and
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01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:41.560
then they fail. So it's kind of like that, you
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01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:42.319
know that, I.
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01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:44.520
Would say even more like you know, with your headdress
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01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:46.600
for example, like okay, so you're happy with your headdress,
1474
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:48.159
and you keep going to them because you're happy with
1475
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:50.680
what they're doing. But then like a couple of times
1476
01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.760
you're going, oh, look, I mean, were they didn't do
1477
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:54.319
a very good job. All of a sudden, like they
1478
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:56.600
start going lack or maybe like they talk on the
1479
01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.479
phone while cutting your hair or whatever, or like you
1480
01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.560
know whatever, and you don't have anymore again, same thing,
1481
01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:04.600
you stop going. So either the clean up their act
1482
01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:06.159
or they die. It's very simple.
1483
01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:09.960
It's like it's like this is pure capitalism.
1484
01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:12.800
But in the right way, right where you don't have monopolice,
1485
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:14.840
where you can't like you know, like you know, the
1486
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.640
big big organizations, big publicly listed companies like that are
1487
01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.920
all controlled by the same like you know, shady or
1488
01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:22.800
like you know, entities like you a black poor bank
1489
01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:23.680
guard state street.
1490
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:25.920
Right, they come in and muscle in and take over everything.
1491
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:27.119
Mm hmm.
1492
01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:29.319
It's a very very and and you know, and a
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01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:33.920
publicly listed company by definition, right, their first priority is
1494
01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:37.000
not their customers by definitions, but their priorities their shareholders
1495
01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:41.279
by definition. By that's the legal obligation, right, So so
1496
01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:43.720
you have a perfect you need to create. And in
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01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.760
media it's very important. In health it's very important. I
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01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:49.760
would say it's important in every like important industry in society.
1499
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:51.720
But these are the two that are literally a matter
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01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:52.319
of life and death.
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01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.680
And that's the only way that it can work going forward, right,
1502
01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:56.960
And if you don't do it the right way.
1503
01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.000
And if you betray like you know, your your eye,
1504
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:01.319
your your duty.
1505
01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:03.279
And you know, in the case of medical professionals like
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01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:05.399
your owth right, which is a much bigger.
1507
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:06.920
Thing, you stop.
1508
01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:08.840
There's no other way for you to get support. There's
1509
01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:11.159
no other way. There's no other way. If you don't
1510
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:14.119
do the right thing, you die. It's very simple. So
1511
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:16.039
you either do the right thing or you die. And
1512
01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:18.119
I don't have to, like, you know, stop paying taxes
1513
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:21.159
to support you are, just cancel subscription.
1514
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:25.239
So you know, I'll just you know, say it again.
1515
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:30.640
I guess that's why you know all these people outlets.
1516
01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:35.000
I should say, well, people included a part of this
1517
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:40.840
media grant because not only people probably not going to
1518
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:42.680
pay for it, and all those sorts of things that
1519
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:46.640
I needed to control the narrative as well. It's it's
1520
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:55.399
certainly a fast moving landscape at the moment when we're
1521
01:23:55.439 --> 01:24:02.239
talking about media, and you know, there's sometimes I watch
1522
01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:04.640
the circus, as you know, we started off at the
1523
01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:10.479
beginning of the show talking about where you know, the
1524
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:15.600
the awful person inside me quite enjoys watching the tire fire.
1525
01:24:16.319 --> 01:24:22.520
But you know, just as equally it's with the very
1526
01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:27.560
nature of the pace of the change within the media
1527
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:34.800
landscape at the moment. It's also very exciting because you know,
1528
01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:42.119
doing the work that I do, there's so much potential
1529
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:46.720
and so many avenues to be able to do magical,
1530
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:55.039
wonderful things. It's also incredibly daunting and stressful because it's
1531
01:24:55.279 --> 01:25:02.439
not easy, and you know, trying to create something from
1532
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:11.039
nothing in any field, it's very daunting and stressful. But
1533
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:17.079
but yeah, just just monitoring, witnessing kind of being part
1534
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:22.880
of the very fast moving pace of this media landscape
1535
01:25:22.920 --> 01:25:27.920
at the moment is is very exciting and I think
1536
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:32.960
a very poignant time in history to be witnessing this
1537
01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:34.159
at the moment, Michael.
1538
01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:37.920
And look, I mean there's there's a rule of thumb
1539
01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:40.199
that it applies to like every industry, I mean applies
1540
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:42.199
a lot to them, like especially the online space. But
1541
01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:45.199
I mean it's a universal truth, right, And it's very simple.
1542
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:48.199
If you're not paying for product, you are the product.
1543
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:53.479
It's very It's the core business model of like the
1544
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:55.119
Internet and all the major platforms.
1545
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:57.800
Right, if you're not paying for the product, you are
1546
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:01.880
the product big as you. And what does that mean
1547
01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:02.359
that you're.
1548
01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:05.439
A product your eyeballs that you're not going to be
1549
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:08.079
packaged up and sold to advertisers so they can sell
1550
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:10.479
you stuff, or your eyeballs that are going to be
1551
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:14.640
programmed to serve virus agendas mm hmm. Because someone has
1552
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:16.920
to pay for this, right, Someone has to pay for
1553
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:19.520
people's time, and if they run their own platform, there's
1554
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:23.000
even additional costs involved in that. So that's how it works.
1555
01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:24.920
I mean, you know, I mean even newspapers when they
1556
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.720
really first started, like they used to be quite expensive
1557
01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.039
like to buy like you know, a copier, like a newspaper, right,
1558
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:32.920
and then they discovered, oh there is this thing called advertising.
1559
01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:37.800
But advertising advertisers will only be interested if they scale
1560
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:41.319
if there's a lot of eyeballs. How do you get eyeballs?
1561
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.960
You lower your prices per like you know, per newspaper,
1562
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:48.479
or maybe even make it free. Oh and then you
1563
01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:51.119
get the eyeballs and then the advertisers are happy. But
1564
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:54.319
then who are you actually serving, right, the customers are
1565
01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:56.159
not the readers.
1566
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:05.760
Yeah, it's it's it's very interesting too.
1567
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:08.199
Well.
1568
01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:13.079
I noticed on on the list that we were just
1569
01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:22.239
looking at, Ah, what is it. It's a newspaper that
1570
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:26.319
we get here in Western Australia that is aimed at
1571
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:33.039
the elderly. It's Living Times or something like that. And
1572
01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:36.800
if people actually picked that up, you know they'll have
1573
01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:43.159
they'll have newspaper articles in there about you know, some
1574
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.560
sort of group that you know, the the ladies in
1575
01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:50.039
one neighborhood of visiting and you know, all these sorts
1576
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:53.279
of things. But the majority of that newspaper not only
1577
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:57.760
fits into one of those groups that's listed as not in.
1578
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:01.399
You know, lifestyle is not part of part of the grant,
1579
01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:05.760
it is. It's also packed jam full of ads, you know,
1580
01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:11.000
for companies that make you living as you know, walking
1581
01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:14.600
frames and walking sticks, or you know, a furniture house
1582
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:18.159
that sells the remote controlled armchair. You know, it makes
1583
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:19.920
it easier for you to get up. You know, the
1584
01:28:20.279 --> 01:28:23.119
beds that make it, you know, more comfortable to sleep
1585
01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:26.119
when you're six hundred million years old, all these sorts
1586
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:28.479
of things. So it's the.
1587
01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:32.880
Word fortubin is double dipping. That's the word.
1588
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:36.920
Hey why not? And there's not much you can do. Well,
1589
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:39.600
I guess people can stop reading that, right, But like
1590
01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.119
you know, if you have a setup that relies exclusively
1591
01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:46.720
on that on on on the people who consume, like
1592
01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:49.159
you know, the audience funding directly, and all of a
1593
01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:52.520
sudden you start taking government money without consulting with your audience,
1594
01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:55.239
or you start taking investors with dubious background.
1595
01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:58.960
Or oh no, that's not what I'm paying for.
1596
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:07.039
See Yeah, So it's the you know, it's basically a
1597
01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:12.800
newspaper full of advertisements aimed at a particular proportion of
1598
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:16.199
the population. And now we can see that they're going
1599
01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:18.800
to be receiving. If I could find them on the list,
1600
01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:20.399
now it would be able to see how much it
1601
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:25.239
is money from the government to continue to print ads
1602
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:26.199
for the elderly.
1603
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:29.840
I mean, you know, advertising by that same amount.
1604
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:30.359
I doubt it.
1605
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:38.760
So that's it's crazy, isn't it absolutely crazy?
1606
01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:40.920
But I don't know.
1607
01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:46.720
I don't spend time as we're all watching seven, nine, ten,
1608
01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:50.000
ABC all the rest of it. But I haven't seen
1609
01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:56.600
anything on those channels about this this assistance fund. It's
1610
01:29:56.640 --> 01:30:00.479
only on platforms like x that I've seen people talking
1611
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:05.159
about it. So I think that should say a lot
1612
01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:10.039
to everybody. Sure, Mike, I'm just gonna put on the
1613
01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:17.279
bottom of the stage one of your web addresses and
1614
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.600
Fox dot com forward slash Actionable Truth.
1615
01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:22.920
But that's just the news letters.
1616
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:26.239
Sign up our page, and people can also sign up
1617
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:27.399
directly on the website.
1618
01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:28.880
So that's the the u r L.
1619
01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:31.720
Yeah, that's the that's the main website, and people can
1620
01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:32.359
sign up there.
1621
01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:35.520
So if people come along to your web page, where
1622
01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:37.520
are they going to find themselves?
1623
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:42.199
Okay, well, so so that's uh, that's a website. So
1624
01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:46.359
that's where I kind of moved all my journalism, I guess,
1625
01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:49.439
after substack and after like you know, the December fiasco.
1626
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:51.000
Uh.
1627
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:54.119
It's built on an open source platform, on sorry, our
1628
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:56.760
troop set platform. It's a dirty word open source software
1629
01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:59.600
called ghost right, which is similar to WordPress, but has
1630
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:03.359
some of the benefits in addition to that, and and uh,
1631
01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:06.479
the meaning of that is that I control it fully, right, Okay,
1632
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:08.880
I I do pay a web host, but I mean
1633
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.039
if that web host gives me hard time, is one
1634
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:14.039
one one of the original ones that I used did, right,
1635
01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:16.800
I just took upstamps and moved to another web host,
1636
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:18.920
which is not something that you can do with upsteps
1637
01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:22.000
or Twitter or you know or Facebook. Right, So that
1638
01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:24.319
so that that that's the power of that, So I
1639
01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:27.720
I control that website one hundred percent. There's no obviously,
1640
01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:31.319
there's no age verification, there's no like you know, age
1641
01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:35.600
gating or any of that sort of nonsense. Uh, most
1642
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:38.960
of the content there is generally accessible to the public.
1643
01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:41.760
You don't have to sign up, and there's there's free
1644
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:44.600
there's free membership, and there's two uh.
1645
01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:45.560
Paid membership tiers.
1646
01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:51.000
But unfortunately, what is becoming a problem now is also
1647
01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:54.000
this AI scraping. We're basically like you know, quality corn
1648
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:56.680
and especially's just being taken by I and used to
1649
01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:00.960
train AI models for some of the more journalism, like
1650
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.479
what I mentioned my piece about controller position that took
1651
01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:07.720
me literally three months to research and write that's behind
1652
01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:09.600
an opting wall, so you don't have to pay to
1653
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:10.960
read it, but you do have to give me your
1654
01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:12.840
email edterss so I can like, you know, then you
1655
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:14.479
have to confirm it, just to make sure that like
1656
01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:16.520
I can verify that you're a human and you're not
1657
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:19.520
scraping my website. But most of it there's like you know,
1658
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:22.000
publicly accessible and people can ever read and people can
1659
01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:24.680
sign up. There's also a private community that is also
1660
01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:26.920
linked from the website. So that's again that's a social
1661
01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:32.159
media platform that I control that is mine right edge
1662
01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:34.880
verification or any of that sort of stuff. And also,
1663
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:36.319
like you know, that's why I kind of gave you,
1664
01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:38.680
like you know, the dedicated page that for my news
1665
01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:41.439
letter sign up, kind of trying to move away from
1666
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:46.720
algorithms completely and rely like an old school okay email rssays.
1667
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:51.159
There's a few neural protocols for like you know, decentralized
1668
01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:54.560
Web Activity PUB and noaster. I'm not going to get
1669
01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:57.239
too much into that, but basically these are protocols, and
1670
01:32:57.239 --> 01:32:59.880
that's the difference between a protocol and a platform protocol.
1671
01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:03.199
It's like a set of rules, but nobody owns that,
1672
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so anyone can choose to follow that set.
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Of rules, and if you follow that set of rules,
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nobody can kick.
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You out because it's your set of rules, right, that
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people have agreed on.
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Right.
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It's like it's like how the web runs, like you
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know websites HTTP.
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That's also a protocol and that's the power.
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Like you know, I I just decided after like you know,
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01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:26.039
what happened with Subsect, that I am done with platforms.
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If it's if I'm going to be on any platforms,
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it's going to be platforms that I build it or
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that I control.
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And that's that's why I am Now.
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Yeah, yes, subject amazing, aren't they absolutely amazing? Anyway, before
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we before we end the show, Michael, do you have
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a final message for everybody or I don't know, maybe
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for the media.
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Yeah.
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Look, I think I think we are at a very
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important point now where we can actually still like you know,
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correct worst when it comes to like alternative and truly
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independent media.
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Uh. Just like I said to you previously in our
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conversation about digital idea, that window of opportunity will not
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01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:15.560
remain open forever because AI is becoming a very serious
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01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:18.439
problem and AI is getting better to extend that people
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01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:20.319
don't even know what's real and what's not.
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01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:24.439
And even worse than that, people are actually losing.
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01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:27.760
The faculties and the ability to create, like think for themselves,
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01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:30.840
because you go on Twitter now and like everything Grok
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01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:31.439
is that true?
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01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:32.359
Grek is that real?
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01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:36.159
Grok explained that Grog death and and Google, like the
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01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:38.960
Google search engine is obviously AI now as well, so
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01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:41.880
everything is AI, right, there's no like, Okay, well, how
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01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:43.159
did you reach this conclusion?
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You know what I mean?
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Well, like you know, and and and it gets it
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01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:49.000
gets ridiculous because like I mean, I even did an
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01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:51.960
example just with the Brave AI right if I asked
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01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:56.520
something and I got an answer, and then I said, okay, well, okay,
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01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:57.199
this is the answer.
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01:34:57.239 --> 01:34:58.600
Where are your references for that?
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01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:01.359
And then it said, oh you know what, Actually this
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is an agree That's what it's called an aggregation error.
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Actually the opposite is the truth. And then I'm asking
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01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:11.800
that I'm asking the question again again. Yes, sorry, actually
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01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:15.800
that did not happen, And here is the error. I'm
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01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:19.439
sorry about that. It's an aggregation error. Sorry about that.
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01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:21.359
We'll do better next time. Right, So these are this
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01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:23.399
is the sort of stuff that people like you know,
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01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:26.760
like you know, they trust this is a I saw.
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01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:30.800
So people need either people can think for themselves and
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01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:33.880
actually no, I always say you need to think for yourself,
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01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:36.640
not ask growth, think for yourself. But you need in
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01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:38.800
order to facilitate that, and that ties in to your
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01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:42.880
point about people being timefl You need to have outlets
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01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:47.039
and people who are committed to giving you facts that
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01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:50.319
are actually accurate, that they've done something like you know,
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01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:54.359
work to like vet that the accuracy, that they've double check,
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01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:57.520
that the've cross preference, that look that primary source material,
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01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:00.960
that look at funding, that look at potential motivation, and
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01:36:01.039 --> 01:36:04.319
they present to you factual information that you can take
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01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:05.960
on board or not take on board.
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01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:07.680
Truth to use or no truth.
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01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:09.000
To use, but you can kind of like it gives
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01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:11.319
you a bit of a starting point so you don't
1741
01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:13.920
have to completely start from scratch or ask.
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01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:14.880
GROWK Is that true?
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01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:16.199
Yeah?
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01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:17.680
Right, So that's.
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01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:20.800
Where we are now, and people need, like you know,
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01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:23.359
if you are currently like on Twitter and like you know,
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01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:28.159
your source of truth is GROWK, be careful like this
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01:36:28.199 --> 01:36:31.000
is this is you are at a very very dangerous
1749
01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:34.399
threshold and maybe, like you know, stop and think and
1750
01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:37.640
evaluate how do you determine what it's true on on
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01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:39.319
on Twitter or.
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01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:40.800
Facebook or YouTube.
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01:36:41.319 --> 01:36:43.600
Right, A lot of the videos are like AI generated.
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01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.800
There's the famous case of like, you know, Wheitney web
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01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.520
has like hundreds of videos of her on YouTube, like
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01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:51.960
literally her speaking and it's not her. So people have
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01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:54.680
taken her image and her voice and even her face
1758
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:57.239
movements right and and created that.
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01:36:57.319 --> 01:36:59.119
I slope with that. It's crazy.
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01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:03.840
Yep, I'm un the same with Barbara or Neil disgusting.
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01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:06.279
So that's what we are.
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01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:09.399
So we are very very close to a point where
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01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:12.920
we cannot longer fix that. So first of all, people
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01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.800
need to okay, they need to really hone the critical
1765
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:19.880
thinking skills, and they need to think, Okay, what business
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01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:23.800
model and what's set up can support journalism as it
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01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:27.840
actually is meant to be going forward, especially in the
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01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:31.239
day of AI slow, where like the cost to generate
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01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:32.000
that sort.
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01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:35.159
Of garbage is zero, it is literally zero.
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01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:38.000
You can put like you can create a YouTube channel
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01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:44.039
with ten thousand videos in an afternoon. So there's only
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01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:46.119
I I argue, and that's kind of the point that
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01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:49.319
I'm trying to make. There's only one business model in
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01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:53.520
the current environment that supports that and for that business model.
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01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:56.479
That that business model is direct funding by the people
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01:37:56.520 --> 01:38:00.159
who consume those news and reporting and that media, and
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01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:03.720
and the key to make it successful is to have
1779
01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:07.479
scale so people can pay less individually and get more.
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01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:08.399
That's it.
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01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:18.000
Yeah, that's right, Yes, indeed, And I'll say carriage is
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01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:21.039
a curious percent independent for that very reason, so that
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01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:24.479
I said, one hundred pcent independent. But there you go,
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01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.039
all right, everybody? Yeah a rock. I asked Rock the
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01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:31.479
other day Aarah from the whatever it was, I said,
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01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:35.079
how many e's are in the word seventeen? She started
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01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:38.800
off by telling me there were none. I mean, come on,
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01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:40.720
everybody you.
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01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:44.359
Know is an extreme example, though, Yeah, work is the
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01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:45.159
retarded AI.
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01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:48.079
It really is, like, I mean, it's really bad. It is.
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01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:50.600
It is really on the worst like end of it.
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01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:53.399
But I mean they're all not very good and and
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01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:55.319
I don't want to get to technical. But when people
1795
01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:59.199
understand what AI actually is and how it thinks like thinks,
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01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:02.079
and how it generates that wall of text that you
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01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:05.079
get based on what and why, you can ask it
1798
01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:07.600
one question and then in the second question it will
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01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:11.760
tell you the exact opposite. Right, then it becomes very,
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01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:14.640
very evident the trusting anything that comes out of these
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01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:16.399
tools is not a good idea.
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01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:23.199
Yeah, that's right, exactly. Yep. Well, thank you very much
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01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:27.560
for joining me, Michael. It's always a pleasure to talk
1804
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:31.479
to you. I hope everybody enjoyed the show and found
1805
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:35.800
some value in that because I think probably we care
1806
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:40.720
more about truth in the media than most people. But
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01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:42.119
I hope.
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01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:49.319
People understand how important what's that. I hope people understand
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01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:53.319
now after this discussion, like it is actually important even
1810
01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:55.600
if you don't care. If this doesn't exist, if there's
1811
01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:58.039
no truth in media and reporting, and again this is
1812
01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:02.159
not an exaggeration, people die, like this is literally what
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01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.800
it is. If there is if the media is not
1814
01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:08.039
telling you the truth or is intentionally telling you lies
1815
01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:11.960
for whatever interest or for whatever whatever agenda, people die.
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01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:13.279
This is what it is.
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01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:23.000
Absolutely, that's the truth. Thank you. Everybody. Make sure you
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share the show because I am heavily shadow band and
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I'd appreciate it. Shared the shoe. Thank you very much
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once again, Michael, and thank you to everybody in the
1821
01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:40.560
audience and the comments, and we will see you all
1822
01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:42.920
again very soon. Thanks everyone, see you, Michael.
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Thanks for having me.
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Robin relentless.
1825
01:40:46.840 --> 01:40:55.920
In our field, we hunted flow, master of the craft.
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01:40:56.439 --> 01:41:05.239
We shatter systems, relentless, mistake, resentless.
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We hymptotize as the light, or talk to light.
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We never had resent, relentless,