ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Welcome to A Matter of Principal, the podcast where we explore the intersection of school, sports, and leadership. In this episode, host Vito Quaglia welcomes the legendary sports writer and communications professor, Mr. Ed Ackerman. With over 50 years of professional writing experience, Ed shares his journey from being a valedictorian to becoming a beloved columnist and blogger. He reflects on his career, the mentors who shaped him, and the athletes and coaches who left a lasting impact on him. Join us for an inspiring conversation about the power of storytelling, the evolution of local sports, and the importance of relationships in achieving success.
Discover how Ed Ackerman's enthusiasm for communication has never waned, and learn about his unique insights into the world of sports and education. Whether you're a sports enthusiast or someone interested in leadership and personal growth, this episode is packed with wisdom and inspiration.
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Music.
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Hello, my name is Vito Qualia. Welcome to A Matter of Principle,
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a podcast about school, sports, and leadership.
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Today, our guest is Mr. Ed Ackerman, someone who's been writing professionally for over 50 years.
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Right after graduating as valedictorian in the very first graduating class of
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Pitsenary High School, Mr.
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Ackerman was hired as a sports writer for the Sunday Dispatch in Pittston.
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He began writing his personal column, Ed Ackerman Optimist, back in 1984, and continues to write.
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Nowadays, it's in the Greater Pits in Progress, in addition to the Citizen's Voice newspaper.
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And his Optimist blog also appears online on the Pits in Progress website.
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Mr. Ackerman is a professor of communications at Luzerne County Community College.
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So without further ado, let's welcome the award-winning writer and college professor,
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Mr. Ed Ackerman, to the podcast. Welcome.
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Thank you, Vito. It's nice to be here. Well, this is a new podcast.
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We just started recording some episodes this summer.
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And in a nutshell, just so you, the listener at home, and also Mr.
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Ackerman, know where we're going. It's basically just a conversation,
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a free-flowing conversation about sports and life lessons and leadership,
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maybe some mentors that we've had in the past, and maybe some people that we've
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influenced or had some impact upon ourselves.
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So, I mean, let's just start off with your career, Mr. Ackman.
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You've worked in the communications field for decades.
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Is there something that you can attribute your longevity and your success to?
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Oh, that's a darn good question. You know, in life, there's always something that's a bit of luck.
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And I often quote the old baseball commissioner Branch Rickey.
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And he made a statement about luck and it's misquoted.
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And the misquote is as good as the actual quote. So the misquote,
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people say, luck is the residue of desire.
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That's the misquote, which is a pretty good one. The actual quote is,
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luck is the residue of design.
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And so I guess maybe those two things came together.
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The design was me being a really good student in school,
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and the luck was a mentor, a teacher of mine had been writing sports for the
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dispatch and was taking a job out of town and said, I'm going to recommend you
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for the part-time sports writing job, and that'll be a good job for you while you're in college.
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It'll be a nice little paycheck on the side and that's what got me into the
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field and I think after that For whatever reason I never lost my enthusiasm for it.
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And I think maybe that shows in the stuff I write I still am very enthusiastic
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about communicating with people. I
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And I think one of the things that makes a good storyteller and makes a good
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story is when you marry that universal theme with something specific that people can latch on to.
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And so much of what you write, and I've been lucky enough to see you serving
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as a toastmaster or speaker in different things, and you have that knack.
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You know how to bring a universal theme into something that all of us have a
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personal connection to. So I definitely think that's something that runs throughout
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all of your columns and all of your stories.
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And now you talked about sports and you've had tremendous opportunities over
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the years to interview and to cover hundreds of great athletes and coaches.
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And I know I'm putting you on the spot with this, but could you name one or
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two of the best athletes that you've seen in your time of covering sports?
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Yeah, that was and that was all local sports, as you know. And that's a question
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I'm asked of quite frequently, believe it or not, because I did that for about
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15 years on the sidelines, on a court side, things like that.
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And what I say, and I say it in all honesty, the best athlete is not what people might think.
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They might think I'd say Jimmy Cefalo. He's the best football player I ever saw.
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But the best athlete is the guy who's the current AD at Pitson area,
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Charlie Turco. What a tremendous three-sport talent, natural ability,
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unbelievable natural ability.
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And a lot of people will agree with me when they hear that.
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On the west side, from my years of covering sports, I say the version of that
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from Wyoming area is a kid named Donnie McDermott.
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And interestingly, Donnie McDermott was a star in the first sporting event I
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ever covered. In the summer of 67, when I got the job, I was sent up to Tunkhannock
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to cover the Little League All-Star District Championship game.
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And Donnie McDermott, who looked like a little professor in his professorial-looking
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glasses, pitched a tremendous game that day for Wyoming West,
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Wyoming All-Stars. That was Little League.
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And as he went through high school and so forth, I put him in that same category,
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tremendous all-around athlete.
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There have been dozens of others, of course, but those two guys really stand out.
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Okay. How about coaches? I mean, there's been plenty of coaches on both sides
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of the river and in the valley. Who would you say are the number two?
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I have tremendous respect for all coaches, and I was lucky enough to spend a
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lot of years writing about Bob Barberi's football teams.
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And Bob Barberi, to me, was a much misunderstood person.
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The fiery guy on the sidelines was not the guy off the field.
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Bob Burberry was a philosopher and educator first and just a great all-around
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guy. I love that man and I miss him tremendously.
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I got to know Jack Gallagher a little bit when he coached basketball at Pittston area.
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Jack Gallagher was good friends with Coach K, good friends with Bobby Knight.
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I mean, so, you know, my one degree of separation to those guys was tremendous.
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Got to know Jack Hensis when he first started at Wyoming Area.
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And then Tom Vaxmonsky followed there. And then Paul Marenka.
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They're about to dedicate the weight room facility at Wyoming Area in Paul's
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honor. And it's a great honor.
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So over the years, just Jimmy Comensberger coached St.
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John's when it was the PCIAA, the Pennsylvania Catholic Interscholastic Athletic Association.
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And took a team to the state finals, and I got to cover all of that.
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So, yeah, I never met a coach who, you know, keep in mind, I was a kid when I started.
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So there were coaches being interviewed by an 18-year-old, and every one of
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them treated me with tremendous respect, every one of them.
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What do you think, and some of those coaches that you mentioned,
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I mean, legendary, you know, fellas who lasted years in those positions.
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And today, you don't see that kind of longevity with coaching. I mean, you might.
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There's outliers here and there. But a lot of times, you know,
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someone's in a spot for three, four, five years and they move on.
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Do you think there's different?
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I don't know if it's patience with people who hire these these guys or,
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you know, you have to win at all costs.
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Or do you think the student athletes today are different than they were back
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in the past? What do you think about that?
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I think yes to everything you just said.
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I think times have changed. Players have changed. I think, you know,
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you know, it's it's harder to it's harder to raise a family.
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And I'm talking from an economic perspective.
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So so if a coach then we've known this for years. If a coach were to figure
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out what the coach is paid per hour to coach, it's ridiculous.
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And sometimes a teacher maybe can't make ends meet on a teaching salary in today's day and age.
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And those hours that could be spent coaching, something a coach absolutely loves,
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the fellow might have to say, I got to do something else to supplement my income.
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This is taking me away from my family and the reward isn't there.
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And that's a shame. But one thing about longevity of coaches,
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Wyoming area picked up a few games with Columbia, the tremendous football program down there.
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And I remember a couple of years ago when they decided to play them,
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Southern Columbia winning all kinds of state titles.
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And somebody told me the coaching staff at Southern Columbia has been the same for 30 years.
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That produces a winner. When you're jumping back and forth year to year to year
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to year, there's no consistency. and see the teaching becomes different,
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and it's hard to win that way.
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It's always been tough to coach. I think it's harder to do it in today's day
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and age. Then you have social media.
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It was one thing for the fans to yell at you on Friday night from the sidelines at a football game.
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Now you get lambasted all week long on social media.
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And you hit the nail on the head when you said now it's like –,
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it's there's only two things now there's that you win it
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all or you're a loser and that's a shame you know especially
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in high school sports it should be a an experience more than a one loss thing
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but it's me talking no and i agree with you that's that's one thing remind me
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hope i don't i should write a note i want to i want to talk about high school
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sports versus like travel sports and things like that like that there's two
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different kind of things going on i want to get your take on that.
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But going back to, you know, Pitson area and you were there when the jointure
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happened, who was, you probably had more than one, but who would you say might
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be your favorite teacher that you had at Pitson area high school?
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That's another interesting question. Again, I was a very good student.
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And maybe there's a, you know, a chicken and egg thing there.
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I liked all of my teachers. maybe maybe they liked
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me maybe i was a teachable guy a lot
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of names stand out a fellow just passed away a few
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days ago jim gilmartin was my world world
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cultural teacher in high school he's the guy about a
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month after i graduated high school who called me up and said
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i told the people at the sunday dispatch i'd find them
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a sports writer and i think it's going to be you that man
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changed my life forever i did not start out to
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get into journalism he put me in journalism and i'm still in
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it you know 50 some years later so there's
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him but when i i mentioned jimmy comensberger the the coach
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earlier i had him as a teacher and uh i really
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liked that man i liked his style he taught french but you
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know before there was you know you're in education what are the letters of the
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state tests the kids have to take today to prove they learned something well
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the pssa yeah those things pssa you know what they're the ruination of education
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a guy like jim comensberger teaching French wasn't teaching us to a test.
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What he was doing was giving us his whole self.
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So in the French class, he was a philosopher.
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He was a historian who would go to the arts a little bit and he would teach us French.
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But there wasn't something hanging over his head as a teacher to make sure we
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passed a standardized test at the end of the year. And that applies to to all of my teachers.
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And so they go off script is what I'm saying.
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And a long time ago, I heard a quotation.
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Long time ago. I'm talking at least 50 years ago. I heard this quotation.
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An education is everything you remember after you've forgotten everything you learned in high school.
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I'll repeat it. An education is everything you remember after you've forgotten
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everything you learned in high school.
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That's worth unpacking a little bit. We don't have to do that now.
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But I always thought I thought that made a lot of sense.
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And then I heard many years later, who said it? Albert Einstein.
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Wow. So can I get by in a little bit of French after taking four years of French with Jim Cominsberger?
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Once in a while, just about get by. But are his fingerprints all over me as a man? You bet.
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You bet. Well, and that kind of is one of the things that, you know,
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the podcast is built upon is this idea of relationships, right?
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Where everything, every success you can have, and this is a veto quality opinion.
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I think some people would agree.
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It's based on your relationship. Your relationship with your partner in life.
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Your relationship with your job. your relationship with your team if you're
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a coach, your class if you're a teacher.
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And if you invest in that relationship, you're going to see success.
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And I think teachers like that, teachers like the guys you mentioned,
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cared more about their students and making those connections than they – I'm
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sure they cared about the content they were teaching.
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But just by what you're talking about, it shows me that they cared about the relationships as well.
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Yeah. A book came out last year or the year before called The Good Life.
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The Good Life was based on the longest study ever of what it takes to be happy.
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And the study was over 70 years old. It started with a study group of men who
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were at Harvard because there were only men there and then people in and around the Boston area.
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John F. Kennedy, as a college student, was one of the people in the group.
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And what the researchers did over the years was interview them,
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ask them questions. As they grew up, they asked them more questions.
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As they died off, they asked their offspring if they would participate.
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As the people who started the study died off, people picked it up.
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So for 70-some years, through surveys mostly, they tried to deduce what makes for a happy life.
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You know what they came up with more than anything else? Relationships.
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Relationships. There you go. Lots and lots. And not necessarily romantic ones,
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but lots of relationships. The more relationships you can build,
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the happier you will be in life, which is underscoring what you just said.
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And one thing about the teachers building relationships back then,
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not only did they want to, but they were allowed to.
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I think today some teachers may want to, but they're kind of hamstrung a little
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bit by a standardized test that somehow are worth and proves that students are
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getting what they're getting.
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And if you ask me, those things don't prove a thing.
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Well, and it goes to, you know, what people are held accountable to.
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I mean, you know, the papers will come out every year when the state test scores
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come out and they rank the schools by their test scores.
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And not to mismatch the media, but they don't come out with a survey or a ranking
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system of those kind of things.
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You know, rank your school by the kind of relationships that your faculty builds with your students.
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I don't know how you would measure that, but I mean, they're the things that
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we all know mean something.
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And I'm sure that if I were valedictorian, so you knew that you had great grades.
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But for the most part, when you ask someone about a favorite teacher,
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they can't remember the grade point average maybe they had in that class.
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But they remember what that how that teacher made them feel,
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you know, and they're the measurables that matter.
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But yet, you know, we don't report on that. We don't rank schools based on that, which is sad.
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We want to we want to reduce everything to almost the contest.
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You know, I agree with you when those when those results are published,
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there's nothing in between the lines.
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And, you know, the real the real measure of of something working is not necessarily
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quantifiable in that way. I know we want it to be.
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We'd love it to be. But it isn't. And I maintain, even though,
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you know, like that term valedictorian, you know, I don't I don't walk around
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with a big V on my chest. I will.
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But I maintain that that grades aren't that great a measure of anything. thing.
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And even though my grade point average put me at the top of a class,
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did the grade in any given class measure what I got out of it? No.
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And I tell my students today, I said, at the end of a semester,
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you're going to get a grade.
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The grade has very little to do with what you will take with you.
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If you got nothing out of the class and for some reason, a clerical error,
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or I'm just being a benevolent guy, I stick A after your name, but you got nothing.
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That A doesn't mean you suddenly got something.
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You know, whatever you got out of the class has nothing to do with the grade you get at the end.
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I know we have to, I guess we feel we have to quantify things,
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but I just think that when we make that too big of a deal.
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You know, it's it's not it's not a sporting event when we look in the paper
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and we know, you know, Pittston area did this and somebody else didn't do that
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or whatever the schools might be. We almost make everything a contest anymore.
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And it's, you know, it's kind of our nature as being competitive people.
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But I think it's it's what we measure, you know, to that.
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I think we lose track of what we try to grasp for something that ranks,
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you know, somebody somewhere. And the only thing that is published,
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unfortunately, are test scores.
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And I think we have to find some other measurable things.
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Talking about teaching now and your career in writing that started when you
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were just a kid yourself, did you know you wanted to be a teacher?
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What led you to become that professor at LCC? How did that happen?
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Not at all. I think, you know, I didn't even want to be a writer.
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I began college as an art major. I could always draw. on. I wasn't so sure what
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I was going to do with that. I really didn't.
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I remember a guy named Joe Schwalick was a counselor at Wilkes.
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That's where I went to school.
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And I remember I went there with my mom. My parents knew nothing about college.
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And we went to a meeting and he looked at my transcript and he said,
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I see you're majoring in art. I said, yeah.
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And he looked quizzically and he said, is that something you really want to do? And I went, yeah.
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And I think he was wondering with my grades. Why wasn't I doing something else?
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And he never said it, and that was fine. But as far as the writing,
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as I said, a former teacher...
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Said he thought I could do a good job writing sports for the local paper.
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And that ignited that writing in me.
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Never dreamt I'd make a career out of it, but it kept getting more interesting,
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more interesting, more interesting.
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I stayed with it. And then I worked for the Little Sunday Dispatch.
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It was a weekly paper. All week long, we did other things.
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I know this is a long answer to your question, but one of the things we did
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was we had a printing press, a really wonderful printing press,
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great quality of printing. thing.
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We wound up printing all of the college newspapers in the area.
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And each college had a different relationship with us.
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And the late Tom Moran, M-O-R-A-N, was the advisor to the beacon, the paper at Wilkes.
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And what he worked out was he brought the whole Wilkes staff up to the Sunday
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Dispatch on a Tuesday, which when we weren't real busy, we were a Sunday paper.
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Newspaper and he basically had me
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teach them all the things about journalism i was just
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doing that because it was fun never realizing off to the
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side was this man observing me well a few years went by i get a call from wilks
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would i consider being an adjunct professor in some journalism classes and so
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i did and then 1989 i get a call from tom moran who is now the president of
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Luzerne County Community College.
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Would I ever consider teaching journalism full-time at the college?
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And so I didn't set out to be a teacher and there we were. I said to Mr.
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Moran, I have a bachelor's degree in psychology.
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And he said, yeah, but you've got 23 years experience in the newspaper field.
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And we have a formula that qualifies you at a PhD level.
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We'd love to have you. It was a big pay cut. My kids were little and it meant
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I'd be home with them all summer long.
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So I took the pay cut and that was 1990 and it's now 2024.
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Now, you know, some people think of teaching as an art. Other people,
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you know, think teaching is a science.
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What do you think? Or do you think it's a little bit of both?
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I think maybe probably never having an education course in my life.
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You know, it became a seat of the pants thing with me. And seat of the pants
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operations usually have a little more art in them than science.
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I probably could use a little more of the science.
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One thing I did immediately, and there might be some art in this.
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I don't know. no, I'm a problem solver.
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And I remember thinking, what do the kids really know?
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And what do they know? They know inside out. It sticks to their ribs.
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It's not the Battle of Hastings in 1066. What do they know?
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And I came up with, most of them, college kids, they all know how to drive.
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And I thought, did they learn that sitting in a classroom three days a week
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for 15 weeks with the PowerPoint presentation?
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Did they learn that from somebody with a PhD in driving.
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They learned it probably from a mom or dad at the end of a long day of working
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somewhere who the last thing they wanted to do was take them driving.
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Who knew nothing about pedagogy.
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They're trying to teach their kid how to drive, blah, blah, blah.
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Anyway, they all learned how to drive.
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And I knew why. It's obvious why.
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Motivation. They really wanted to learn how to drive. And so I've always tried
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to employ or incorporate motivation and to everything I teach.
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You know, I teach public speaking. The kids may wonder, why the heck do I need to know this?
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What's the motivation for this? And I tell them on day one.
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You can go through your whole life never giving a speech. So there's no motivation
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there. You can go through your whole life never giving a speech.
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But I say, I'm sorry to tell you, you can't go through your whole life never
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losing to death someone you love.
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And when that happens, you might be the perfect person to get up at a service and talk about them.
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And if you don't know how to do it, you'll sit there while someone else does
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it. And you'll feel real bad that you couldn't give your friend or your loved one this gift.
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And there's some motivation there then. And, you know, maybe they'll never employ
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those skills for another 50 years.
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And I hope they don't. But when the time comes, they'll know how to do it.
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And so I try to do that with everything.
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I try to motivate them. Now, that sounds more artsy to me than science. But what do I know?
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No, I think that, I mean, as a former English teacher myself,
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that's a really cool, you know, vehicle to get the motivation,
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you know, because thinking everyone, unfortunately, will deal with the loss of a loved one.
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And hearing good eulogies or maybe wanting to be that person that can show that
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appreciation and celebration of that life, that is tremendous motivation.
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So that's really cool. If you thought that one on your own, you're top-notch,
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my friend. That was all right. I like that. You're kind to say that.
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You know what I'm doing as a teacher?
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I always want to give everything my best every single time.
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I always want to give it my best, and I want to keep analyzing myself and checking
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myself on what I'm doing and stuff like that.
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And people ask me why I'm not retired.
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You mentioned the year I graduated. So next fall, I will turn 75 years old.
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And people say, when are you going to retire?
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And I say, so far, at the beginning of every semester, I'm unbelievably enthused.
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I'm excited. And I say, I'm going to teach this class better than I did it last time.
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And the minute I don't feel that way, then I'll know this is my last semester coming up.
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Well, that's the way to do it because I'm a huge Springsteen fan and I'll still
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go see him and he's still, you know, rocking in his 70s and Mick Jagger,
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you know, and Keith, they're out there at 80.
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So if you love it, if it's a passion and you still have the fire and you still
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enjoy it, keep doing it because I think that's unfortunately,
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you know, people slow down and retire and stop doing things.
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else happens because they lost that fire.
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So if you can keep it kindled, I mean, that's terrific.
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We need a purpose. Absolutely. We need a purpose. Yep. When you said the best
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– a person I was talking to, Frank Parenti, was talking about how he teaches
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and coaches and always trying to motivate his players and his students in the
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classroom to be the best versions of themselves.
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And he wants – he tries to bring that every day when he's teaching and coaching.
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And you echoed that same thing. And that reminds me of something you probably
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heard Sinatra saying that.
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Why do you give it your all? You're old and towards the end of his career.
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And he said, you see that guy, there's somebody in the rafters that paid,
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you know, all their money and, you know, three paychecks to come and see me.
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And that's the first time he ever saw me. And I want him to feel like it means something.
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You know, like he always brought his best to two thoughts come to mind there.
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One along those lines, when I think of the NBA and I think of a guy saves and
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saves and saves and takes his kid to his first National Basketball Association game.
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And the star has decided to take the night off just to rest up.
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That's the opposite of what you just said about Sinatra. And the other thing
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is there's a great story about Joe DiMaggio where the Yankees had already clinched the pennant.
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They're going to go to another World Series, and there's a fly ball to the outfield,
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and DiMaggio makes a diving catch.
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And afterwards, a reporter says to him, like, why did you do that?
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You could have hurt yourself, and the team really needs you in the playoffs.
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And DiMaggio said, I'm always thinking there might be someone in the stands
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who never saw me play before.
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That's giving your all all the time, all the time.
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Well, and it's such, you know, it fights at the fabric of what,
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you know, America, this is going to be a giant broad stroke of a comment.
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But, I mean, we kind of hold ourselves up as, you know, we're individuals and we can do anything.
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And, you know, it's almost unfortunately capitalism, you know, breeds that me, me, me.
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And, you know, what can I do for myself and my family and win at all costs or succeed at all costs.
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But then everything you read, you know, talks about servant leadership and and,
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you know, whatever faith you follow, you know, always talks about sacrifice
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and, you know, worrying about the community instead of yourself kind of thing.
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And, you know, Simon Sinek writing books about, you know, that leaders eat last,
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you know, make sure all your guys are fed first and then you go.
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So it's just there's a dichotomy, right? There's just these two different things
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that you see all the time. You see people that work their tail to the bone to
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be successful, and maybe they're sacrificing some things that they'll regret someday.
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And then you see other people like you're talking about that every day, like, hey, guess what?
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I got to bring my best because I don't want to let anyone down.
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And where's the balance?
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I mean, can you have the balance? Can you be an alpha? Can you be a leader and
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still be a servant leader successfully? Or what do you think about that?
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That's a lot. I know there's a lot there. I'd like to say...
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I'd like to say yes. I'd like to say yes, that we can be these perfect people, really.
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But, you know, as much as I bill myself as Ed Ackerman optimist,
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I think the truth is I'm Ed Ackerman realist.
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I take an optimistic approach to everything.
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I'm a very, very positive person, but I am a realist. And, you know,
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sometimes the skill sets that we're talking about that we value,
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you, if you're blessed with those,
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it's hard not to let those become a tool you use to gain financial success and
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maybe lose yourself in the process.
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We don't reward the good qualities that we're talking about.
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And so people who want to be self-motivated to be the best they could be without
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just striving for material success, boy, it takes a lot to keep hanging on to that.
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That we don't live in a society that rewards that very
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very well we we we measure people by what
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they're driving and how big their houses are and that's just the way it is and
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i'm not saying we're bad for doing that i'm just saying that's the
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way it is you know i i've said and
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i mean this and i don't mean i mean this truthfully if
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if i look at that that v word again you know
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valedictorian coming out of pitston area and i
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would say depending on the yardstick you use to measure me
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someone could take out a yardstick and say wow what
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an underachiever you know he he teaches at
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a community college and he writes for the local paper what
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an underachiever we thought he was going to you know
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we thought he was going to write for the new york times or sports illustrated
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or be an anchor on tv and look look what he wound up doing that's one yardstick
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you take another yard stick out and it's the one fortunately that i measure
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myself by and and you you think of did Did I make a difference? Did I influence lives?
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Did I do this and that? You kind of say, okay, I did it right,
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but it depends on who's doing the measuring and what the value system is.
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Speaking about influence, in all the years that you've covered different events
429
00:28:09,507 --> 00:28:12,727
and just written about a myriad of topics,
430
00:28:13,047 --> 00:28:17,667
could you name a couple of the most influential people that you think have come
431
00:28:17,667 --> 00:28:20,687
from the greater Pittston area? Oh, gosh, gee.
432
00:28:21,782 --> 00:28:28,242
So, you know, you look at people often come back and think of Jimmy Cefalo.
433
00:28:28,402 --> 00:28:30,002
You know, he played in the NFL.
434
00:28:30,322 --> 00:28:32,542
He scored a touchdown in a Super Bowl.
435
00:28:33,122 --> 00:28:39,622
You know, I really I recall that Penn State did not have the following that
436
00:28:39,622 --> 00:28:42,442
Penn State has today before Jimmy Cefalo played at Penn State.
437
00:28:42,702 --> 00:28:45,622
And when he played there, it seemed like all of Pittston wanted to get down
438
00:28:45,622 --> 00:28:48,142
to a game all the time. And then that just built and built and built.
439
00:28:48,302 --> 00:28:54,342
That's tremendous influence. There are people, gee, you know,
440
00:28:54,362 --> 00:28:56,762
creative piston people that went on to influence.
441
00:28:57,822 --> 00:29:01,262
I'd have to give that some more thought. Does someone pop into your mind?
442
00:29:01,342 --> 00:29:06,602
Well, I just, I always think, I mean, you know, from our conversations in the
443
00:29:06,602 --> 00:29:08,342
past, I'm like a local history buff.
444
00:29:08,382 --> 00:29:14,222
And I think there's a pocket in Northeast PA that not a lot of people who aren't
445
00:29:14,222 --> 00:29:16,202
from here, you know, know our history.
446
00:29:16,202 --> 00:29:19,222
And if you think about some of the things, you know, whether it's,
447
00:29:19,222 --> 00:29:23,502
you know, Greater Pittston is a smaller thing. But, I mean, I think about, you know, Mr.
448
00:29:23,682 --> 00:29:26,982
McGowan, you know, from Nashville, where I came from, you know,
449
00:29:27,002 --> 00:29:30,042
with the telecommunications and MCI, I think it was, and all that.
450
00:29:30,122 --> 00:29:34,982
And then, you know, you have, you know, different people that went on to be bishops or cardinals.
451
00:29:35,142 --> 00:29:39,122
And, you know, Pittston itself, I mean, there's some notorious people from our
452
00:29:39,122 --> 00:29:42,802
area that also went on maybe to have influence, whether it's good influence or bad influence.
453
00:29:42,802 --> 00:29:45,722
Influence but you know if you if you think about some
454
00:29:45,722 --> 00:29:48,522
of the ones and i think some people don't come back you know that's
455
00:29:48,522 --> 00:29:51,282
another thing too that maybe people go on and leave and become
456
00:29:51,282 --> 00:29:54,002
successful and might have influence somewhere else in
457
00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:57,422
the country or in their community but they're from here that's i was thinking
458
00:29:57,422 --> 00:30:01,102
of you i was kind of hoping that you would know some people that i don't know
459
00:30:01,102 --> 00:30:05,202
because you've been covering so many stories for so long when i think of the
460
00:30:05,202 --> 00:30:09,322
guy i mentioned earlier the the jim gilmartin who got me my job he he left for
461
00:30:09,322 --> 00:30:13,102
hamburg pennsylvania to become a vice principal of a high school.
462
00:30:13,402 --> 00:30:17,702
He later became superintendent of Hamburg area. He did that for about 14 years.
463
00:30:18,875 --> 00:30:23,955
After that, in retirement, one after another, his services were sought to be
464
00:30:23,955 --> 00:30:26,215
an interim superintendent at struggling school districts.
465
00:30:26,415 --> 00:30:30,195
And he was doing that over and over and over. At one point, Pittston Area brought
466
00:30:30,195 --> 00:30:34,895
him back to advise George Cosgrove when he was the superintendent of Pittston Area.
467
00:30:35,035 --> 00:30:39,815
So this guy had nothing but success, success, success in the area of Hamburg, Pennsylvania.
468
00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:45,535
Never had any children of his own and has a surprisingly tiny extended family.
469
00:30:45,535 --> 00:30:48,675
But always and and i
470
00:30:48,675 --> 00:30:51,975
know numbers but i i don't feel privileged to to
471
00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:55,195
mention them but a lot of checks came from
472
00:30:55,195 --> 00:30:58,095
mr gilmartin to a lot of causes back in his hometown of
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00:30:58,095 --> 00:31:00,775
pitston uh the thing that
474
00:31:00,775 --> 00:31:03,595
is a matter of record is scholarships the friendly sons of
475
00:31:03,595 --> 00:31:07,075
saint patrick supported completely by mr gilmartin full rides
476
00:31:07,075 --> 00:31:09,995
at his alma mater king's college that he funded
477
00:31:09,995 --> 00:31:12,935
so never had an opportunity to
478
00:31:12,935 --> 00:31:16,235
come back here physically although came back frequently I
479
00:31:16,235 --> 00:31:19,395
wasn't that far of a drive but boy supported this
480
00:31:19,395 --> 00:31:22,255
area over and over and over that that's
481
00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:25,295
pretty cool a success story that the Greater
482
00:31:25,295 --> 00:31:28,955
Princeton Chamber of Commerce just honored Sandy and Sulaco with a Titan of
483
00:31:28,955 --> 00:31:36,315
Industry Award and in Sulaco is a very very wealthy man and Sulaco has made
484
00:31:36,315 --> 00:31:39,875
a lot of other people wealthy by giving them opportunity is employed a lot of
485
00:31:39,875 --> 00:31:42,695
people and and is still going at it.
486
00:31:42,735 --> 00:31:46,035
I think he turns 85 or 84 this summer, 85, I think.
487
00:31:46,815 --> 00:31:51,315
And at the Chamber of Commerce event, when he was honored, you know,
488
00:31:51,315 --> 00:31:53,455
his accomplishments were listed.
489
00:31:53,595 --> 00:31:58,335
And what he said was, I'm really glad that I was able to do all of that right here.
490
00:31:58,415 --> 00:32:02,635
I would not want to have done all the things I did anywhere else.
491
00:32:02,675 --> 00:32:07,315
I wanted to do them where I was born and where I grew up. That's a real success right there, I think.
492
00:32:07,555 --> 00:32:12,275
Oh, definitely. And, you know, that old attribute, don't forget where he came from.
493
00:32:12,355 --> 00:32:16,415
So clearly he never forgot where he came from. If you think about the Insulaco family,
494
00:32:16,755 --> 00:32:21,935
the Falcone family with the brothers that started the distributorship,
495
00:32:22,095 --> 00:32:26,535
I don't know if those types of, I want to say rags to riches,
496
00:32:26,735 --> 00:32:29,695
but I mean, humble beginnings to people that are really successful.
497
00:32:30,195 --> 00:32:35,575
I don't know if that happens much anymore where a whole family works together
498
00:32:35,575 --> 00:32:40,355
and holds it together and realizes generational wealth, things like that,
499
00:32:40,395 --> 00:32:42,015
that those two families have.
500
00:32:42,095 --> 00:32:44,475
And, and I'm sure there's countless others all over the place,
501
00:32:44,495 --> 00:32:50,055
but now you'll see, you know, individuals that are successful and sometimes successful overnight.
502
00:32:50,175 --> 00:32:53,195
And they, you know, they can't manage that success and it falls apart a little
503
00:32:53,195 --> 00:32:56,735
bit, but that incremental growth and like starting very humbly,
504
00:32:56,755 --> 00:32:59,235
whether it's a little fruit stand on the side of a road and,
505
00:32:59,255 --> 00:33:01,855
and building and building and building and being smart with your money,
506
00:33:01,895 --> 00:33:04,815
it seems like people don't have patience to, to build that way anymore.
507
00:33:05,516 --> 00:33:08,356
Yeah, I don't think society has it, and I think you're right.
508
00:33:08,976 --> 00:33:12,696
Yeah, so I don't know if we'll see that again. Here's an example of talk about
509
00:33:12,696 --> 00:33:15,836
being what you are, let's say.
510
00:33:15,896 --> 00:33:19,616
Be an example of what you preach is the mayor of Pittston, Mike Lombardo.
511
00:33:19,736 --> 00:33:20,916
Mike Lombardo lives in town.
512
00:33:21,096 --> 00:33:25,976
Mike Lombardo lives in Pittston. Mike Lombardo restored a home on Broad Street,
513
00:33:26,116 --> 00:33:31,456
lived in it for a while, moved up the street a little bit, bought an older home and restored it.
514
00:33:31,556 --> 00:33:36,916
So he's the mayor of the town and he lives right in the heart of Pittston, right downtown.
515
00:33:37,556 --> 00:33:42,376
That's pretty cool. It's pretty cool because he could be in any of the wonderful
516
00:33:42,376 --> 00:33:46,316
developments that are still greater Pittston, you know, on a couple of acres
517
00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:49,216
of ground and stuff like that. But he's on Broad Street.
518
00:33:49,476 --> 00:33:53,336
When he was when he was mayor and he was living across the street in a home
519
00:33:53,336 --> 00:33:56,856
he restored. And Mike was a track guy in high school and at Bucknell.
520
00:33:57,056 --> 00:34:01,616
And he used to tell me that he lived a triple jump away from his office in City Hall.
521
00:34:02,876 --> 00:34:09,136
Now, I might be wrong with this, so correct me if I am, but doesn't he tell
522
00:34:09,136 --> 00:34:13,076
people that one of the main reasons that he ran to be mayor was when he was
523
00:34:13,076 --> 00:34:14,636
so heartbroken with the old American theater?
524
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:19,496
Yeah, he says that all the time. Yeah, and my friend Jack Smiles just wrote
525
00:34:19,496 --> 00:34:25,476
a story about the history of the American theater, and Jack Smiles is the consummate
526
00:34:25,476 --> 00:34:27,256
researcher, and it appeared in Pitch Some Progress.
527
00:34:27,256 --> 00:34:31,476
And I always had a sense that the American Theatre was even bigger than the Kirby Center.
528
00:34:31,716 --> 00:34:37,096
And Jack had the seating capacity. American Theatre sat 2,300 people. The Kirby seats 1,800.
529
00:34:37,696 --> 00:34:39,336
The American Theatre, the wrecking
530
00:34:39,336 --> 00:34:42,516
ball hitting that building was really a shame. Really, really a shame.
531
00:34:42,936 --> 00:34:48,716
And of course, Mike Lombardo, you know, his plans are to build probably a 350-seat
532
00:34:48,716 --> 00:34:52,176
theatre in town, which I think will work very, very well.
533
00:34:52,296 --> 00:34:54,416
There's a similar one down in Sellersville, Pennsylvania.
534
00:34:54,876 --> 00:34:57,916
The Sellersville Theatre. theater and i think it's exactly what
535
00:34:57,916 --> 00:35:01,556
mike has in mind and i've been down there and i look forward i look forward
536
00:35:01,556 --> 00:35:05,276
to that happening in pitston well and i think one of the i mean that we're definitely
537
00:35:05,276 --> 00:35:09,456
taking a left turn on this but it's a good thing you know those the sidewalks
538
00:35:09,456 --> 00:35:12,796
and all of that and and you know you always have detractors of oh what are they
539
00:35:12,796 --> 00:35:15,836
doing we don't need we need other things why are we doing sidewalks well the
540
00:35:15,836 --> 00:35:17,696
research shows that if there's walkable neighborhoods.
541
00:35:18,456 --> 00:35:21,796
That you know there's so much more people want to move there and then if you
542
00:35:21,796 --> 00:35:25,916
can walk to a market or you know, some kind of little, whatever it is,
543
00:35:25,936 --> 00:35:30,636
a niche store here or there that people will retire to communities like that,
544
00:35:30,676 --> 00:35:31,556
because that's what they want.
545
00:35:31,716 --> 00:35:34,936
I mean, that's that nostalgia of that's what it was like when I was a kid kind of thing.
546
00:35:35,016 --> 00:35:39,756
But so you can see that Mike and his team has really researched what works,
547
00:35:39,776 --> 00:35:44,816
you know, found the grants and what's out there available to get the money here, the funding here.
548
00:35:44,896 --> 00:35:48,456
They've done a tremendous job. And I know other little towns around kind of
549
00:35:48,456 --> 00:35:52,076
look to Pittston, you know, the downtown as a blueprint of what they could do,
550
00:35:52,076 --> 00:35:55,236
You know, so it's really a tremendous story that they've done.
551
00:35:55,820 --> 00:36:01,520
Former Representative Mike Carroll, the village or the town of Moscow was in
552
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,000
his purview, his district, and he was up there one time a few years ago.
553
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,020
And he said to the leaders of Moscow, what can I do for you?
554
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,560
And they said, turn us into Pittston.
555
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:18,220
What a tribute to Mike Lombardo. And what I say about Mike Lombardo,
556
00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:21,920
and you touched, you said it just briefly a second ago, got to have vision,
557
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:25,460
but you got to find the money. and to have vision and money.
558
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:30,360
And public money can only take you so far, but the public money can set you
559
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,140
up in a situation where the private people want to invest their funds.
560
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:38,320
And once that happens, now you're rolling. And we're seeing that.
561
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:41,620
Pittston City is becoming a place where people want to live downtown.
562
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,080
You know, when they remodeled the old Pittston Apparel building into high-end
563
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,240
luxury apartments, they were all booked before they were even ready to be occupied.
564
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,760
People want to live in town because it's desirable.
565
00:36:54,940 --> 00:37:01,160
And Mike Lombardo will cast a spotlight on his team, and that's a big part of it.
566
00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:04,140
But nothing in Pittston is happening without Mike Lombardo.
567
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,540
I agree. And it wasn't too long ago, for anybody who might be out there listening
568
00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:12,020
that doesn't understand what Pittston is.
569
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:16,120
Vito, are you still there? I'm here, yes. Did I cut out? Yeah.
570
00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:19,480
We can edit that part, so that's good. Did you hear me say about... Yeah, you cut out.
571
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Did you hear me? You were starting to say something about Lombardo and downtown,
572
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:26,260
and you cut right out. Okay, I'll go back to that.
573
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:31,560
So many years ago, not many years ago, rather, there's boarded up storefronts.
574
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,880
And downtown Pittsburgh was not a place that anyone would want to go.
575
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,520
You would kind of drive through there quickly.
576
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:40,580
And it was really a place that no one had a lot of pride in.
577
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,200
So in a matter of, I think, only two decades, really, maybe the late 90s is
578
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,860
when everything started to kind of swing in his direction.
579
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,200
He's done a tremendous amount of work.
580
00:37:51,329 --> 00:37:55,349
Yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree. It's, it's, it's, it's fun to say you're,
581
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:58,869
you're part of this community and you drive through Pittston.
582
00:37:59,989 --> 00:38:04,049
Ed, can you hear me? I wonder what happened. We lost you. I lost you at 39.
583
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:09,609
Okay. Do you have any non-negotiables in your routine that you have to complete
584
00:38:09,609 --> 00:38:11,869
in order to have a good day, a good week or a good month?
585
00:38:11,949 --> 00:38:14,489
I know, I know you like to work out, so that's probably important to you,
586
00:38:14,549 --> 00:38:16,389
but is there anything else in your routine?
587
00:38:16,389 --> 00:38:19,189
I love that term non-negotiables you
588
00:38:19,189 --> 00:38:22,069
know at one point in my life I'm sure there were lots
589
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:25,329
of them but here's my my philosophy of
590
00:38:25,329 --> 00:38:28,189
life and uh you know I've known a lot of people who have gone through recovery
591
00:38:28,189 --> 00:38:32,889
and there's some some tremendous philosophies that come out of that and and
592
00:38:32,889 --> 00:38:37,089
one of them is only control the things you can control that's a great way to
593
00:38:37,089 --> 00:38:40,429
go through life if you can learn that only control the things you can control
594
00:38:40,429 --> 00:38:44,689
and I always say I've adapted I've adopted that and adapted it.
595
00:38:45,029 --> 00:38:50,029
So for me, it goes like this. I only control the things I can control and I
596
00:38:50,029 --> 00:38:51,009
can't control anything.
597
00:38:51,629 --> 00:38:55,549
So a good day for me is a day when I get to sweat.
598
00:38:55,889 --> 00:39:01,009
If I could run on an elliptical, if you see me at Planet Fitness after I've
599
00:39:01,009 --> 00:39:04,769
been on an elliptical, say hi to me, but don't touch me because you'll get grossed
600
00:39:04,769 --> 00:39:06,789
out. I have a massive perspiration.
601
00:39:07,509 --> 00:39:10,449
That's not a non-negotiable because life gets in the way.
602
00:39:10,629 --> 00:39:15,909
And so there was a time when I could run, when my knees allowed me to run.
603
00:39:16,109 --> 00:39:19,389
If I didn't get in a five-mile run every day, I was miserable all day long.
604
00:39:19,509 --> 00:39:20,389
I don't want to be that way.
605
00:39:20,549 --> 00:39:25,409
So I don't want there to be non-negotiables. I guess I want to roll with the punches.
606
00:39:25,869 --> 00:39:30,529
Gotcha. Okay, good. Now, if you could go back in time, we jump in a time machine,
607
00:39:30,989 --> 00:39:36,909
what advice would you give 10-year-old Eddie Ackerman? Ooh. Okay.
608
00:39:37,753 --> 00:39:43,413
Okay, can we spin it ahead one year? Sure, sure. 11 year old Eddie Ackerman.
609
00:39:43,913 --> 00:39:49,593
I was a guy in sports that I was the classic what they call great practice player.
610
00:39:50,093 --> 00:39:53,813
Man, you watch me practice and you would think, wow, that kid's a star.
611
00:39:54,113 --> 00:39:57,733
I don't know how to explain this, but I guess other people can relate.
612
00:39:57,733 --> 00:40:00,813
Put me on a field, and in those days it would be Little League.
613
00:40:00,953 --> 00:40:04,573
Put two people in the bleachers, and I couldn't tell you my name.
614
00:40:04,633 --> 00:40:05,913
I couldn't get out of my own way.
615
00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:12,193
I couldn't flip that switch to just be in the moment and play the sport.
616
00:40:12,453 --> 00:40:17,833
And so I think I would have said to that little 11-year-old guy, don't give up.
617
00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:21,333
Keep plugging at that, and those two things will come together,
618
00:40:21,473 --> 00:40:26,313
and you'll be able to perform on the athletic field the way you do on the practice field.
619
00:40:27,093 --> 00:40:29,893
I never said that to me, and nobody else ever said that to me.
620
00:40:29,973 --> 00:40:34,493
And I guess if I have a regret, I was not a big kid when I was in high school,
621
00:40:34,613 --> 00:40:36,553
but I didn't go out for any varsity sports.
622
00:40:36,773 --> 00:40:41,633
And I think that was a mistake, and I think it was because of what I just said.
623
00:40:41,853 --> 00:40:45,253
So I wish I could have sat down with an 11-year-old. I wish I could have told
624
00:40:45,253 --> 00:40:49,153
the 11-year-old Eddie Ackerman, if you could see yourself at 22 playing tennis,
625
00:40:49,233 --> 00:40:51,533
you'll be shocked. So hang in there.
626
00:40:52,513 --> 00:40:57,533
But, you know, I graduated high school. I was 5'7 and 140 pounds,
627
00:40:57,773 --> 00:41:00,293
and a year later, I was 5'11, 185.
628
00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,373
Wow. You hit a growth spurt there.
629
00:41:03,333 --> 00:41:07,273
I hit a growth spurt, yeah. Well, that's good advice, and I think a lot of people
630
00:41:07,273 --> 00:41:12,033
would probably benefit from that, especially when you're young and you hit that
631
00:41:12,033 --> 00:41:16,353
first little bit of adversity and you don't have that stick-to-itiveness to
632
00:41:16,353 --> 00:41:17,833
go. You just need that little nudge.
633
00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:22,553
So I think that's good advice. We all could go back in time and tell the younger versions of ourselves.
634
00:41:23,153 --> 00:41:27,653
Now, it doesn't have to be when you were 11, but can you think of someone that
635
00:41:27,653 --> 00:41:30,073
might have been your most memorable classmate?
636
00:41:30,113 --> 00:41:31,793
So, I mean, it could be elementary, it could be high school,
637
00:41:31,853 --> 00:41:35,293
but somebody that stands out. If I said, tell me about, you know, a character.
638
00:41:36,331 --> 00:41:41,711
Well, character to a degree, but it's interesting that you bring that up because
639
00:41:41,711 --> 00:41:45,271
I had breakfast this morning with my most memorable classmate.
640
00:41:45,571 --> 00:41:49,711
Somehow, and we talked about it today, what the heck caused us guys to be buddies?
641
00:41:49,711 --> 00:41:53,431
But we met in seventh grade his name is martin soa s-o-w-a
642
00:41:53,431 --> 00:41:56,471
we met in seventh grade and here
643
00:41:56,471 --> 00:41:59,171
we are guys in our in our 70s we're both
644
00:41:59,171 --> 00:42:05,191
74 and we have maintained a close friendship all those years and it has evolved
645
00:42:05,191 --> 00:42:10,191
where we sit down today over breakfast and we're talking about spirituality
646
00:42:10,191 --> 00:42:15,171
and what life is all about and things like that like our our spiritual paths
647
00:42:15,171 --> 00:42:17,031
together you know You know,
648
00:42:17,031 --> 00:42:20,331
my son lives in L.A. now.
649
00:42:20,551 --> 00:42:25,151
He went to school in Savannah, Georgia. He worked in Boulder, Colorado.
650
00:42:25,411 --> 00:42:27,671
He moved to Chicago and worked. He moved to L.A.
651
00:42:27,951 --> 00:42:31,671
He's been all over the place. And he said, Dad, I make friends wherever I go.
652
00:42:31,811 --> 00:42:34,371
They know my friend Martin Sowa. He calls him Uncle Mart.
653
00:42:34,891 --> 00:42:38,291
He said, Dad, I make friends wherever I go. I'm never going to have what you have.
654
00:42:38,551 --> 00:42:42,091
I'm never going to have someone I've been friends with for more than 60 years
655
00:42:42,091 --> 00:42:44,351
on a continual basis, seeing them all the time.
656
00:42:44,351 --> 00:42:50,871
Time so yeah martin's so a big influence on me right my kids feel like my kids
657
00:42:50,871 --> 00:42:54,271
think he's a superhero how'd they just see him that way both of my kids they
658
00:42:54,271 --> 00:42:55,671
call him uncle martin the adorn.
659
00:42:56,531 --> 00:43:02,291
And it's isn't it strange that the people the friends you make that time of
660
00:43:02,291 --> 00:43:06,371
your life i mean i mean you're lucky that you've established you know that the
661
00:43:06,371 --> 00:43:10,071
continuity where you get to see him so much over the years but i but i bet you
662
00:43:10,071 --> 00:43:11,631
if you left for 20 30 years and
663
00:43:11,631 --> 00:43:15,131
came back you would you you'd pick up the conversation where it left off.
664
00:43:15,211 --> 00:43:20,851
Like the friends you make at that age level, it's just amazing how that bond stays. Truly, truly.
665
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,040
When I meet people that I graduated high school with, I genuinely love them.
666
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:27,980
That's the only word for how I feel about them. Every one of them. I just love them.
667
00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:30,520
Well, you know what? Now that you mentioned that as a question,
668
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:32,500
I didn't ask, but I'm curious.
669
00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:35,980
What was that like when the jointure happened?
670
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:40,040
Like back in 67, you know, that's when you had all the smaller schools come
671
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,380
together to form, you know.
672
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:46,940
Here's what happened. A few years prior to that, the first jointure was Northeast.
673
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:50,220
And Northeast brought together all the small schools.
674
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,460
Duryea was the biggest of them. Brought together Duryea, DuPont,
675
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,940
Avoca, Houstown, Jenkins Township. They all came together to form Northeast School District.
676
00:43:58,820 --> 00:44:04,540
Pittston City still stood alone. And then, you know, the first year of Pittston
677
00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:08,260
area was the fall of 66, first graduating class 67.
678
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,780
So the joint year was put together. It was suddenly Pittston area.
679
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:18,020
There was no building to house, you know, 370 seniors, let alone everybody else.
680
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:26,940
And so we were in an area, but I still think just so did kids that were in a building in Duryea.
681
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:30,560
And believe it or not, the commercial students, that's what they used to call
682
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,320
it then, you know, college prep general commercial.
683
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,300
Commercial students were housed in the old Huston High School.
684
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,140
Where was that on the corner? Go ahead.
685
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,800
Huston High School. No, it's Huston High School is where the host company is
686
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,480
now in Huston on Center Street. That was Houston High School.
687
00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:52,820
And so they brought us together.
688
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,580
We had never met each other, didn't know much about each other.
689
00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:57,880
The football team knew each other, of course, the sports teams.
690
00:44:58,060 --> 00:45:00,260
They brought us together to rehearse for graduation.
691
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,840
And we rehearsed in the old Jenkins Township High School.
692
00:45:04,464 --> 00:45:10,304
Where there's now a medical center. And I don't even think that school was functioning,
693
00:45:10,824 --> 00:45:12,424
but they brought us together there.
694
00:45:12,964 --> 00:45:16,984
I don't know if it was the gym or what there, where they brought us all together to practice.
695
00:45:17,484 --> 00:45:21,284
And then we graduated from what is now Scranton Cultural Center.
696
00:45:21,524 --> 00:45:24,484
That's where we graduated from. They didn't know what to do with us.
697
00:45:24,584 --> 00:45:28,984
It was this gang of people, and at a graduation, there'd be thousands of people
698
00:45:28,984 --> 00:45:31,504
wanting to go to it. So we finished from Scranton Cultural Center.
699
00:45:31,664 --> 00:45:36,664
So what it was like, to answer your question, Not a lot changed except the name
700
00:45:36,664 --> 00:45:37,964
of the school we were graduating from.
701
00:45:38,324 --> 00:45:43,564
What it's been like is to this day, I can meet someone and they could say,
702
00:45:43,664 --> 00:45:46,204
you never knew me, but I graduated from high school with you.
703
00:45:46,344 --> 00:45:50,064
I still meet high school classmates that I never knew along the way.
704
00:45:50,564 --> 00:45:55,364
So that's interesting to me. Yeah, and that's something that would never be
705
00:45:55,364 --> 00:45:57,704
replicated, right? I mean, that only happens once.
706
00:45:58,864 --> 00:46:03,324
Yeah, you're right. Well, I think it just happened, but it just happened in Wilkes-Barre area.
707
00:46:03,324 --> 00:46:06,124
You know pulling together everything you know
708
00:46:06,124 --> 00:46:09,124
what it does do and this is often a tangent but you know
709
00:46:09,124 --> 00:46:11,984
we talked about what i'd say to literally 11 year
710
00:46:11,984 --> 00:46:14,644
old me there are athletes who are
711
00:46:14,644 --> 00:46:17,444
late bloomers and when you put together those big
712
00:46:17,444 --> 00:46:20,704
mergers those kids get lost because you know
713
00:46:20,704 --> 00:46:23,664
there isn't the time to hang around through their freshman year
714
00:46:23,664 --> 00:46:26,704
when they haven't fully developed yet that's there they uh
715
00:46:26,704 --> 00:46:29,484
there's no room for them on the football team or
716
00:46:29,484 --> 00:46:32,204
the baseball team or the the basketball team they can't cut the
717
00:46:32,204 --> 00:46:35,104
mustard and yet maybe in two years they would have been stars
718
00:46:35,104 --> 00:46:37,924
but the big joint years don't really allow
719
00:46:37,924 --> 00:46:40,684
for that i agree i agree
720
00:46:40,684 --> 00:46:43,564
and and that was one area where i
721
00:46:43,564 --> 00:46:49,564
wanted to go before but revisit it is is that idea of you know local sports
722
00:46:49,564 --> 00:46:53,884
teams high school sports teams and then travel sports teams and i understand
723
00:46:53,884 --> 00:46:57,104
the need for the for the travel i mean you get the best of the best and you
724
00:46:57,104 --> 00:47:00,384
put them on teams and you compete against the best best of the best from other
725
00:47:00,384 --> 00:47:03,264
areas and you're really fine tune those skills.
726
00:47:03,524 --> 00:47:09,884
But I think you lose out the program building, you know, and the availability
727
00:47:09,884 --> 00:47:13,704
of those late bloomers to kind of work their way up to the top.
728
00:47:13,804 --> 00:47:21,184
And, and to me, those skills, the program building skills are what translate into the work world.
729
00:47:21,524 --> 00:47:24,744
You know what I mean? And I think that's where I understand it.
730
00:47:25,124 --> 00:47:27,744
Yep. I, I, I understand that.
731
00:47:28,626 --> 00:47:31,946
And I think that we miss out. I mean, you want to, you know,
732
00:47:31,966 --> 00:47:33,906
you want to polish diamonds, right?
733
00:47:33,986 --> 00:47:36,506
You want to make sure that the ones at the tip of the spear,
734
00:47:36,666 --> 00:47:38,166
you know, they keep getting pushed.
735
00:47:38,426 --> 00:47:43,046
But then are we sacrificing those other people that, hey, when they're 22,
736
00:47:43,246 --> 00:47:47,126
24, 34, and they're working somewhere with a team of someone,
737
00:47:47,386 --> 00:47:50,946
you know, groups of people working towards a goal, are they going to be as good
738
00:47:50,946 --> 00:47:53,626
at it as they could have been if they were, you know, working,
739
00:47:53,766 --> 00:47:54,866
you know, if they grew up with that?
740
00:47:54,866 --> 00:48:00,086
And it's all romantic ideas of what education really is and how sports kind
741
00:48:00,086 --> 00:48:02,626
of envelopes in with teaching and so on.
742
00:48:02,746 --> 00:48:07,146
And I get it. The parents that spend the thousands of dollars so someone's going
743
00:48:07,146 --> 00:48:08,506
to be the next Bryce Harper and whatnot.
744
00:48:08,746 --> 00:48:12,706
And I understand that. But there's only so many of those people out there, right?
745
00:48:12,766 --> 00:48:17,126
The rest of us need to figure out how to be average athletes but work together
746
00:48:17,126 --> 00:48:18,686
and have a living, right?
747
00:48:20,226 --> 00:48:24,646
There's tons of what you just said. We could do a whole podcast on this stuff alone.
748
00:48:25,246 --> 00:48:31,126
You know, and sometimes the travel leagues that we're talking about and things
749
00:48:31,126 --> 00:48:36,726
like that, it comes down to almost specialization where the three-sport athlete
750
00:48:36,726 --> 00:48:38,306
has become a thing of the past.
751
00:48:38,466 --> 00:48:42,326
When we talked earlier about the great athletes that I remember,
752
00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:45,206
McDermott from Wyoming area and Charlie Turco from Pittston area,
753
00:48:45,906 --> 00:48:47,806
they played all three sports.
754
00:48:47,906 --> 00:48:51,306
And there was overlap of skills from one sport to the other.
755
00:48:51,926 --> 00:48:54,846
You know, now sometimes we sit down with the kid and say, man,
756
00:48:54,866 --> 00:48:57,426
you know, why do you want to run around a basketball court all winter and we
757
00:48:57,426 --> 00:49:00,486
can have you in the weight room and you're going to go to a Division I school
758
00:49:00,486 --> 00:49:03,526
to play football and make it to the NFL someday.
759
00:49:04,526 --> 00:49:09,546
And, you know, I think we rob a lot of experience from a kid when we do that.
760
00:49:09,626 --> 00:49:13,286
Again, who am I to say, and I don't want to knock any parent who's doing that.
761
00:49:13,346 --> 00:49:16,526
You know, they're doing what they think is best for their child.
762
00:49:17,126 --> 00:49:20,486
There's other things, too. You know, when, believe it or not,
763
00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:27,246
when I was in high school, it wasn't until maybe my senior year that they talked
764
00:49:27,246 --> 00:49:30,386
about what they were calling homogeneous grouping then.
765
00:49:30,886 --> 00:49:34,706
Sometimes back then, you were in a class with, I was an acrobat and you were
766
00:49:34,706 --> 00:49:38,246
in the class with everybody from A to G. You know, it was all alphabetical.
767
00:49:38,426 --> 00:49:43,366
And then it was, we better put all the smart kids in one class and then the
768
00:49:43,366 --> 00:49:45,786
next level in another class and so on and so forth.
769
00:49:45,786 --> 00:49:51,346
And I look back and I think I was in a class with people of varying skills and
770
00:49:51,346 --> 00:49:54,806
varying academic skills, but also varying other skills.
771
00:49:55,106 --> 00:49:59,826
You know, academics wasn't just everything. And I made lifelong friends with
772
00:49:59,826 --> 00:50:04,286
kids who never would have been in class with me if we were always grouped based
773
00:50:04,286 --> 00:50:07,966
on our IQ or our test scores.
774
00:50:08,546 --> 00:50:13,786
And and you know i learned tons and continued to learn tons from from kids who
775
00:50:13,786 --> 00:50:19,426
weren't gifted academically but had so much more to offer and you know so like
776
00:50:19,426 --> 00:50:22,906
you know i mean i'm all over the place with this but it's related to the same
777
00:50:22,906 --> 00:50:25,806
the same topic you know i think you know.
778
00:50:26,529 --> 00:50:30,309
Is there anything wrong with producing well-rounded young people?
779
00:50:30,929 --> 00:50:34,809
No, exactly. And I think, you know, it's a conversation.
780
00:50:34,949 --> 00:50:39,849
And, you know, that spins off onto another podcast we could have about the whole,
781
00:50:39,909 --> 00:50:43,249
you know, partition concept in politics.
782
00:50:43,329 --> 00:50:46,549
Not that I'm going to go into politics and make enemies on this podcast.
783
00:50:46,689 --> 00:50:50,269
But, you know, I think all of the problem that we have, whatever you believe
784
00:50:50,269 --> 00:50:52,329
in, it could be your faith, it could be your political party,
785
00:50:52,409 --> 00:50:57,449
you can have an opposing view. But we've lost the ability to discuss it or even
786
00:50:57,449 --> 00:50:59,369
have a good natured argument about it.
787
00:50:59,429 --> 00:51:03,069
It's OK to have that kind of argument and be passionate about it.
788
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:03,949
And you can still be friends.
789
00:51:04,129 --> 00:51:06,469
But now it's people are mortal enemies.
790
00:51:06,709 --> 00:51:11,869
You know, no, you can't say anything. And that's I always say the the discussion
791
00:51:11,869 --> 00:51:18,069
of the discussions today, one party or the other gets to F you way too fast.
792
00:51:18,129 --> 00:51:20,509
Yeah. You know, you don't agree with me. Well, F you.
793
00:51:20,909 --> 00:51:24,629
And there's no discussion. You know, in terms of any of that,
794
00:51:24,769 --> 00:51:30,389
you know, without getting into politics, you know what I don't feel good about? The extremes.
795
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:35,949
No. The extremes. You know, our democracy was built on the fine art of compromise.
796
00:51:36,209 --> 00:51:38,769
And where is that anymore? Where is that? Sure.
797
00:51:39,149 --> 00:51:43,129
No, and I think it's like anything else. The extremes get the press, right?
798
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:48,609
That's the ads for the TV shows and so on. And they are the minorities.
799
00:51:48,789 --> 00:51:52,749
You know, most people live in the middle of the road. And this whole thing.
800
00:51:53,309 --> 00:51:58,509
You know, if you took 100 people from every walk of life and every kind of money
801
00:51:58,509 --> 00:52:01,089
and you ask them things, they all talk about the same thing.
802
00:52:01,149 --> 00:52:04,589
I just want my family to have a little bit better than me. I want my family to be safe.
803
00:52:04,889 --> 00:52:08,109
I want to be left alone to do what I want to do and have my own belief.
804
00:52:08,269 --> 00:52:11,649
Everyone wants the same thing. But then when it plays out with all the extremes,
805
00:52:11,769 --> 00:52:14,509
it sounds like these people over there are so much different than me.
806
00:52:14,609 --> 00:52:18,849
And so that's not reality. The reality is 60 some percent of the country,
807
00:52:18,909 --> 00:52:22,109
probably 68, 67 percent of the country believes the same thing.
808
00:52:22,129 --> 00:52:26,289
And the 20, you know, 20 some on either side, 18 to 20 on either side are the
809
00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:27,249
ones that are way out there.
810
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:31,220
Hey, it's what sells. It's all about money. That's where we're at.
811
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:38,220
Well, here's a media lesson, a shame on me media lesson that a friend of mine who taught me.
812
00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:43,300
And it was many, many years ago. We're covering a high school graduation locally.
813
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:49,340
And a kid gets a diploma and does a cartwheel. And it's great photography.
814
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,120
Cartwheel got his diploma and all that kind of stuff. And we put that on the
815
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,940
front page. What a great front page photo.
816
00:52:57,420 --> 00:53:00,900
And a friend of mine who was an educator said, I know why you put that on the
817
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:02,740
front page, because it was a great picture.
818
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,420
But he said, that kid thumbed his nose at education for all four years,
819
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:14,560
made a mockery of education, and does a cartwheel at graduation and makes the front page of the paper.
820
00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:19,600
He said that the great kid that walks up there respectfully and accepts his
821
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,620
diploma, he's not on the front page because there was nothing exciting about it.
822
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,700
You know what? I I stopped doing that kind of stuff. I stopped putting those
823
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:28,560
kinds of pictures on the front page after that.
824
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Because that guy was 100% right, but the media tends to do that sort of thing.
825
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:38,800
Like you said, the extremists get all the ink, all the coverage, all the video.
826
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,040
And it's easy. I mean, it's tantalizing, right?
827
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:47,040
It's like watching a car accident. You're drawn to it, but you need to take
828
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,140
that beat and say, wait a minute.
829
00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:52,120
Is this something we really should be celebrating? But, you know, that comes with wisdom.
830
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:56,600
And I guess you're a much wiser man than I am. So I know you've learned through
831
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,940
those lessons. I'm much wiser.
832
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:03,420
He called me out. I think I think a lot of wisdom comes with listening to people.
833
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:06,920
And, you know, then it goes back to what we said, where we don't we don't listen
834
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,640
to people anymore or compromise. We all think we're right.
835
00:54:10,496 --> 00:54:15,216
We talk about if you have a second for this, this is going to be a long in my
836
00:54:15,216 --> 00:54:16,516
my public speaking classes.
837
00:54:16,616 --> 00:54:19,056
I talk about perception and I
838
00:54:19,056 --> 00:54:23,396
tell a story about seeing a little boy in front of me in church one time.
839
00:54:23,656 --> 00:54:27,776
And we developed this. He's a few pews in front of me. And we're looking at
840
00:54:27,776 --> 00:54:29,876
each other and smiling at each other.
841
00:54:30,036 --> 00:54:35,076
And then this little kid at first couldn't couldn't make eye contact with with me, this stranger.
842
00:54:35,196 --> 00:54:38,116
And then all of a sudden we're like buddies who don't even know each other. but
843
00:54:38,116 --> 00:54:40,896
he he starts looking at a book of
844
00:54:40,896 --> 00:54:43,856
trains that he brought with him and now i'm his best buddy
845
00:54:43,856 --> 00:54:46,616
sitting three pews behind him and he wants me to
846
00:54:46,616 --> 00:54:50,936
see the trains so he holds the book up but what he holds up toward me is the
847
00:54:50,936 --> 00:54:56,516
cover of the book he's looking at what he was looking at this double page display
848
00:54:56,516 --> 00:55:01,096
of trains that he wants me to see but when he holds it up to me he's seeing
849
00:55:01,096 --> 00:55:06,096
the trains and i'm seeing the cover of the book and i tell my students he's three years old.
850
00:55:07,276 --> 00:55:10,056
Developmentally he can't understand that he has to turn that around
851
00:55:10,056 --> 00:55:12,936
for me to see it because at three years old
852
00:55:12,936 --> 00:55:16,096
he has no concept of another point of
853
00:55:16,096 --> 00:55:21,636
view and i say that's okay he's three that's not okay when you're 30 and you
854
00:55:21,636 --> 00:55:26,296
can't understand another point of view but that's where we are that's a great
855
00:55:26,296 --> 00:55:29,296
that's a great story great anecdote i like that i never i mean i've thought
856
00:55:29,296 --> 00:55:33,116
of that concept but not that little that little thing puts it right there in
857
00:55:33,116 --> 00:55:34,636
your forefront because we've all been in church.
858
00:55:34,676 --> 00:55:39,676
We've all sat near that kind of little guy who would do something like that. That's a good one.
859
00:55:40,216 --> 00:55:44,076
All right. At this point, we're going to do something that I call rapid fire.
860
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I'm just going to give you a series of questions.
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You're a great interviewer, and you think your answer is out and well-developed.
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I don't want you to do that this time.
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When I give you the questions, just bang.
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Just tell me what you think. I'll do that. Here we go. The last book that you read.
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The Thursday's Murder Club. Okay. The last movie that you saw?
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Probably in the theaters, Barbie. Okay. Okay. Your favorite place to travel to?
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Well, I've got a daughter in Austin, Texas, and a son in L.A.,
868
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and they have children. So those two places.
869
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Take those off the table, anywhere with the beach. Okay.
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Would you prefer a long walk or to work out at the gym?
871
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Well, you broke up a little. Repeat that. Yes. Would you prefer a long walk or to work out in a gym?
872
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I do both. I do both. I do both. That's a tough one.
873
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I guess if you put a gun to my head, I'd say work out at the gym or a long walk.
874
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:50,600
What what is one pet peeve that you have I don't have a lot discourteous drivers,
875
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:56,020
what is one thing that you're curious about right now what's gonna happen to
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me when I no longer have a human body I like that one is there something about,
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people that know you that don't know about you they probably don't know that
878
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that I began school as an art major all the people would have to have remembered
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from a long, long time ago. I'm sure that.
880
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,500
Is there a best leadership tip that you've learned from someone this year?
881
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No, this year, shut up and listen. Okay.
882
00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:24,820
Beach, pool, or lake?
883
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I'm afraid of flesh-eating bacteria and I'm afraid of sharks,
884
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so I guess I'm taking the pool.
885
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:36,240
Your favorite sports team? Football, Green Bay Packers, baseball, St.
886
00:57:36,380 --> 00:57:40,840
Louis Cardinals, NBA, I bounce around. This year I rooted for the Celts a lot.
887
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:45,660
Okay. Do you prefer to read a book or to listen to an audio book?
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00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,160
Read the book. Winter or summer?
889
00:57:50,460 --> 00:57:56,360
Summer. Morning or night? Morning by far. Cookie or donut?
890
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:03,600
Neither. Oh, okay. And how about this one? Pizza, Old Forge style or round? round.
891
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You might make some enemies on this one. I don't know. Oh man, man. I am a pizza fan.
892
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I could eat pizza every single day. I never met a pizza I didn't like. Gosh.
893
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Again, if there's a gun put to my head, I'm just going to say round right now,
894
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but I might even say square.
895
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Go ahead, pull the trigger. I don't know.
896
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All right. And is there, now you gave me a few throughout this podcast,
897
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but is there one quote that you'd like to leave us with, a quote that means
898
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something or maybe you've used a lot throughout your life or maybe something
899
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that you just heard, but a memorable quote?
900
00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:46,780
Here's a little tiny, since you said that, here's what popped into my head.
901
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,960
And I heard this a long, long time ago. And it's from Cicero.
902
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,640
I guess he was a Roman statesman.
903
00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:55,960
And I'm a guy with a sense of humor. And so here's the quote,
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never heard a friend, even in jest.
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Sometimes we say something that we think is funny and it hurts the feelings
906
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of somebody that we really really care about we didn't mean it but we said it
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that way never hurt a friend even in jest,
908
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And that kind of circles back to something that I think you answered in the
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pre-interview questionnaire about a lesson.
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And I think if you remember what you said about a lesson that you learned in
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school or maybe something about how a teacher made someone feel.
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00:59:27,437 --> 00:59:28,877
Remember what you wrote?
913
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Ah, yeah. You and I talked about that at one time.
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Like, you know, sometimes we teachers teach things without knowing we're doing it.
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And when I look back on, and again, I loved all of my teachers,
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but teachers have an ability to hurt a student's feelings without realizing
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00:59:46,957 --> 00:59:49,517
they're doing it. It could be by ignoring them.
918
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It could be a little more overt than that. But when you're in front of that
919
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room, you have tremendous power to help a student or do the opposite.
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And when I began to teach, I thought, man, I'm going to be on guard to never, ever, ever do that.
921
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But to never, I guess, by ignoring or belittling or, you know,
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01:00:11,217 --> 01:00:15,737
not giving praise enough, I never want to hurt a student's feelings.
923
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And that's something I learned by seeing people doing it.
924
01:00:19,537 --> 01:00:22,897
Well, I think that goes to the, you know, whether you're a teacher or a leader
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01:00:22,897 --> 01:00:24,037
in any capacity, really.
926
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Really. You can't underestimate the impact that you have, the influence you
927
01:00:29,457 --> 01:00:33,937
have, because what you do and say and how you treat people, more importantly, has so many ripples.
928
01:00:33,937 --> 01:00:36,817
You know and a comment off the cuff when you're
929
01:00:36,817 --> 01:00:39,977
in a bad mood it might resonate with somebody forever
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01:00:39,977 --> 01:00:43,337
you know and so and it's it's you know the thing somebody once
931
01:00:43,337 --> 01:00:46,757
said about teaching teaching you know matters but
932
01:00:46,757 --> 01:00:50,897
the heavy part of it is is it matters every day you know you can't you can't
933
01:00:50,897 --> 01:00:54,517
go in there on that monday morning after the super bowl and kind of just you
934
01:00:54,517 --> 01:00:58,697
know call it in and say things that you you know without thinking because johnny
935
01:00:58,697 --> 01:01:02,617
in the back you know might be affected by that for the rest of his life.
936
01:01:02,717 --> 01:01:04,697
And it's a heavy thing. That responsibility is heavy.
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01:01:04,817 --> 01:01:10,157
So when you referenced that, I thought, wow, he gets it. He understands what it's really about.
938
01:01:10,577 --> 01:01:14,777
Well, listen, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with us.
939
01:01:15,577 --> 01:01:19,797
I've followed your columns and listened to you speak at events for years.
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01:01:20,157 --> 01:01:23,517
I think you're one of the best people out there that can tell the story of not
941
01:01:23,517 --> 01:01:26,557
only our local area, but about anything, anything you cover.
942
01:01:26,557 --> 01:01:31,457
You have such a wonderful way of just making us feel the passion that that person,
943
01:01:31,557 --> 01:01:32,697
you know, that story is about.
944
01:01:32,837 --> 01:01:37,197
So I commend you on your career. I think you're not just a wonderful communicator
945
01:01:37,197 --> 01:01:40,757
and a teacher in your own right and a writer, but for anyone who's ever met
946
01:01:40,757 --> 01:01:42,597
you, you're a wonderful guy as well.
947
01:01:42,697 --> 01:01:45,417
So thank you for being you. Thank you for being a guest on the show.
948
01:01:45,757 --> 01:01:49,097
Hopefully we can get you on here again. But thank you very much.
949
01:01:49,677 --> 01:01:53,217
I get a thing you just said about me is true. Thank you.
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01:01:54,477 --> 01:01:55,717
Well, thank you. You have a good
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day. And, again, stay tuned for another episode of A Matter of Printing.
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01:02:00,257 --> 01:02:02,697
And please have me back someday. Oh, you absolutely.
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Music.