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I do think that this network could evolve into a real world asset issuance platform where you could start creating marketplaces
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and liquidity for a lot of assets that are
physically domiciled in the state of North Dakota.
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Welcome to 701Chain: Fintech for Financial Institutions.
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I'm your host, Devon Smith.
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Today we're recording from the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas, NV.
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And we're joined by Harrison Comfort,
a recent talent acquisition at Bank of North Dakota.
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Welcome, Harrison. Thank you. Happy to be here.
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Since Harrison is going to play such a key role
for BND in digital assets, we wanted to take some time
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that we have here physically together to kind of get to know
Harrison and introduce him to all of our listeners.
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So Harrison, why don't you just give us a brief
background on who you are
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and what your experience is?
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Yeah, definitely.
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So I started my career in traditional banking,
but have been in the digital asset space for a little
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over a decade.
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I was one of the first employees
of one of the first blockchain for banks consortiums.
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I started there in late 2015, and there
I worked with consortiums of banks across different
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use cases to help design, implement
and scale different blockchain networks.
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I was there for about six years.
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Then I founded a portfolio backed stablecoin project
in 2022.
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This was after I had figured out a way to use my on chain
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crypto assets to help my family buy our first apartment. So
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that was a project I was really just passionate about.
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And I worked on that for a few years.
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The stablecoin became one of the most widely adopted tokens
in the Polkadot ecosystem.
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Then I worked for a stablecoin infrastructure projects for regulated financial institutions in the US,
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just given some of the changes in the regulatory climate.
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And then I had the opportunity to join you guys at BND,
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and I was just absolutely thrilled on it
and super excited to be here.
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Awesome. Yeah, I mean, kind of follow up on that,
with such a diverse and unique background,
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not necessarily something you typically find of an employee
at Bank of North Dakota.
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What kind of was that that meeting point
where you got linked up with BND?
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Yeah. So I met Rick and just getting a sense of what the vision was for Roughrider Coin.
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And just having been in the enterprise
blockchain space for a while,
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I've seen a number of different attempts at projects
with varying levels of success,
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and I just thought that there were really
some tremendous assets
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that the Bank of North Dakota
had in terms of making the project successful.
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Firstly, BND already has an existing
network of financial institutions,
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and it's helping facilitate payments for them.
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So from their perspective,
this is really a matter of adding a feature.
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So there's operational alignment
from that perspective.
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You also have an ecosystem where banks are already sending money between one another.
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So there's existing flows that can that can be directly
transferred over to this new mechanism.
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And just from an architectural perspective,
having the permissions
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be at token level versus the network level, to me,
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optimize the requirements that you would want to see from a regulated financial institution, but also speed to market
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which is extremely important just given how fast everything
is currently moving in the space.
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Yeah, I mean, kind of touching upon
how fast everything is moving in the space.
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What do you think community banks in North
Dakota should be thinking about right now
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when it comes to be starting with digital assets,
but really fintech in general?
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I think something that community banks in
North Dakota might not anticipate
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or think about is that they actually have
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a very strong foundation for innovation
as it relates to digital assets
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and to be very specific, in addition
to being able to enhance
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some of their payment capabilities
that they can take advantage of or mutualize
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or share with some of their end customers,
whether that's corporate or retail.
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You know, we live in a world where people are investing
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in these AI companies at crazy valuations.
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And personally, I think at a certain point,
folks are going to start saying, you know what?
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Maybe it doesn't make sense to invest in Nvidia $10 trillion
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whereas in North Dakota you have financial institutions
that have exposure and access
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to a lot of very compelling asset classes,
real physical infrastructure, agriculture,
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clearly in the natural resources industry,
and there's a very coherent, well-defined
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roadmap that can be facilitated based on the network
that BND is building and governing,
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with Roughrider Coin being a potential asset
that can on ramp folks to that ecosystem.
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That's a fascinating way to really think about fintech
and the way that things are changing for the future.
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It's not just limited to the rails of money.
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It's think bigger, you know.
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So what are some of the more granular,
without getting too granular, features of Roughrider Coin
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that really excites you and made you want to say, hey,
I really want to be part of that project.
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Yeah, I think if you from an enterprise
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blockchain perspective, blockchain
is fundamentally about trust, right?
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The reason that people use blockchains
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is because there's not a centralized database operator
that everybody trusts.
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That kind of is where it comes down to it.
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But I think when you look
at some of the more successful projects,
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you have an entity that operates as a network governor
in terms of being able to help define
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onboarding processes, the product roadmap,
the types of things
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that things that banks are accustomed
to coming from an enterprise software type of a world.
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So I think the fact that BND already
had an existing ecosystem,
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they clearly have a mandate from the state of North Dakota,
and they have that trust from the community.
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I thought they were just extremely well positioned
to execute on this type of a roadmap,
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and at the end of the day, this goes back to this
being an extension of the existing business model.
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We’re speaking with some of the folks working in operations,
it gets distilled down to
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oh Roughrider Coin is just it's
this is just another type of ACH, right?
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And when you're when you're talking about innovation
within regulated financial institutions,
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seeing those types of light bulbs are,
that's what you want to see
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because it just makes the entire go to market
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and integration process far more palatable
and something that folks can get comfortable with.
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Right. And that's what we really want is all of
our financial institutions
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in North Dakota to be comfortable with this
as we kind of crawl, walk, run throughout it.
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Let's think bigger picture longer term
for Bank of North Dakota.
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In your ideal world, just with your background
and your experience, what would you like to see
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Bank of North Dakota's
digital assets platform look like in the far term future?
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Yeah, well clearly the focus is on a successful phase one.
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But I think what's really powerful
is there's so much low hanging fruit.
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You have flows between North Dakota financial institutions
where Roughrider Coin can play a part.
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But those same financial institutions have meaningful flows with banks in other states.
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Yeah, Wyoming would be an example.
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You also, given its proximity to the Canadian border, you have a lot of cross-border flows.
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So just in the context of expanding where Roughrider can go
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from a financial institution perspective,
and then clearly from a cross border perspective,
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there's a lot of value that can be unlocked purely in that.
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Then thinking a little bit longer term I do think that this network could evolve into a real world
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asset issuance platform, where you could start creating marketplaces and liquidity
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for a lot of assets that are physically domiciled in the
state of North Dakota.
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And the thing that's wonderful is
you already have on the ground agents
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who are very familiar with enforcing covenants
and structuring those types of loans.
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And so it becomes a mechanism to bring in new liquidity
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to the state of North Dakota,
with Roughrider Coin being the vehicle
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or the on ramp for folks outside of the
ecosystem to participate in.
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Yeah I think that's awesome and that's exactly kind of what our goal is with Roughrider Coin is we want to advance
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North Dakota ag, commerce, and industry really into the future.
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That's our time today. We really want to thank Harrison
for sitting down with us here in the Venetian.
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We'll see you next time on 701Chain.
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I do think that this network could evolve into a real world asset issuance platform where you could start creating marketplaces
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and liquidity for a lot of assets that are
physically domiciled in the state of North Dakota.
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Welcome to 701Chain: Fintech for Financial Institutions.
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I'm your host, Devon Smith.
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Today we're recording from the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas, NV.
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And we're joined by Harrison Comfort,
a recent talent acquisition at Bank of North Dakota.
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Welcome, Harrison. Thank you. Happy to be here.
9
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Since Harrison is going to play such a key role
for BND in digital assets, we wanted to take some time
10
00:00:44,961 --> 00:00:49,299
that we have here physically together to kind of get to know
Harrison and introduce him to all of our listeners.
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So Harrison, why don't you just give us a brief
background on who you are
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00:00:52,594 --> 00:00:55,597
and what your experience is?
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Yeah, definitely.
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So I started my career in traditional banking,
but have been in the digital asset space for a little
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over a decade.
16
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I was one of the first employees
of one of the first blockchain for banks consortiums.
17
00:01:08,693 --> 00:01:16,534
I started there in late 2015, and there
I worked with consortiums of banks across different
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use cases to help design, implement
and scale different blockchain networks.
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I was there for about six years.
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Then I founded a portfolio backed stablecoin project
in 2022.
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This was after I had figured out a way to use my on chain
22
00:01:33,468 --> 00:01:38,556
crypto assets to help my family buy our first apartment. So
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that was a project I was really just passionate about.
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And I worked on that for a few years.
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The stablecoin became one of the most widely adopted tokens
in the Polkadot ecosystem.
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Then I worked for a stablecoin infrastructure projects for regulated financial institutions in the US,
27
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just given some of the changes in the regulatory climate.
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And then I had the opportunity to join you guys at BND,
29
00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:09,796
and I was just absolutely thrilled on it
and super excited to be here.
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Awesome. Yeah, I mean, kind of follow up on that,
with such a diverse and unique background,
31
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not necessarily something you typically find of an employee
at Bank of North Dakota.
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What kind of was that that meeting point
where you got linked up with BND?
33
00:02:21,516 --> 00:02:28,982
Yeah. So I met Rick and just getting a sense of what the vision was for Roughrider Coin.
34
00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:33,444
And just having been in the enterprise
blockchain space for a while,
35
00:02:33,486 --> 00:02:37,490
I've seen a number of different attempts at projects
with varying levels of success,
36
00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:42,287
and I just thought that there were really
some tremendous assets
37
00:02:42,287 --> 00:02:46,040
that the Bank of North Dakota
had in terms of making the project successful.
38
00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:52,046
Firstly, BND already has an existing
network of financial institutions,
39
00:02:52,046 --> 00:02:54,048
and it's helping facilitate payments for them.
40
00:02:54,048 --> 00:02:58,261
So from their perspective,
this is really a matter of adding a feature.
41
00:02:58,469 --> 00:03:03,766
So there's operational alignment
from that perspective.
42
00:03:03,808 --> 00:03:08,229
You also have an ecosystem where banks are already sending money between one another.
43
00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:13,985
So there's existing flows that can that can be directly
transferred over to this new mechanism.
44
00:03:13,985 --> 00:03:18,031
And just from an architectural perspective,
having the permissions
45
00:03:18,114 --> 00:03:22,368
be at token level versus the network level, to me,
46
00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:29,292
optimize the requirements that you would want to see from a regulated financial institution, but also speed to market
47
00:03:29,292 --> 00:03:33,087
which is extremely important just given how fast everything
is currently moving in the space.
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Yeah, I mean, kind of touching upon
how fast everything is moving in the space.
49
00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:40,553
What do you think community banks in North
Dakota should be thinking about right now
50
00:03:40,553 --> 00:03:44,891
when it comes to be starting with digital assets,
but really fintech in general?
51
00:03:45,183 --> 00:03:50,146
I think something that community banks in
North Dakota might not anticipate
52
00:03:50,146 --> 00:03:52,565
or think about is that they actually have
53
00:03:52,565 --> 00:03:58,780
a very strong foundation for innovation
as it relates to digital assets
54
00:03:58,863 --> 00:04:02,533
and to be very specific, in addition
to being able to enhance
55
00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:07,288
some of their payment capabilities
that they can take advantage of or mutualize
56
00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:10,959
or share with some of their end customers,
whether that's corporate or retail.
57
00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:15,296
You know, we live in a world where people are investing
58
00:04:15,296 --> 00:04:18,299
in these AI companies at crazy valuations.
59
00:04:18,299 --> 00:04:22,762
And personally, I think at a certain point,
folks are going to start saying, you know what?
60
00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:26,891
Maybe it doesn't make sense to invest in Nvidia $10 trillion
61
00:04:26,975 --> 00:04:34,899
whereas in North Dakota you have financial institutions
that have exposure and access
62
00:04:34,899 --> 00:04:40,196
to a lot of very compelling asset classes,
real physical infrastructure, agriculture,
63
00:04:40,238 --> 00:04:45,576
clearly in the natural resources industry,
and there's a very coherent, well-defined
64
00:04:45,618 --> 00:04:51,958
roadmap that can be facilitated based on the network
that BND is building and governing,
65
00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:57,255
with Roughrider Coin being a potential asset
that can on ramp folks to that ecosystem.
66
00:04:57,505 --> 00:05:02,552
That's a fascinating way to really think about fintech
and the way that things are changing for the future.
67
00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:05,513
It's not just limited to the rails of money.
68
00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:07,598
It's think bigger, you know.
69
00:05:07,598 --> 00:05:13,354
So what are some of the more granular,
without getting too granular, features of Roughrider Coin
70
00:05:13,354 --> 00:05:17,275
that really excites you and made you want to say, hey,
I really want to be part of that project.
71
00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:20,611
Yeah, I think if you from an enterprise
72
00:05:20,611 --> 00:05:24,073
blockchain perspective, blockchain
is fundamentally about trust, right?
73
00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:27,702
The reason that people use blockchains
74
00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:32,373
is because there's not a centralized database operator
that everybody trusts.
75
00:05:32,373 --> 00:05:34,042
That kind of is where it comes down to it.
76
00:05:34,042 --> 00:05:38,671
But I think when you look
at some of the more successful projects,
77
00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:47,430
you have an entity that operates as a network governor
in terms of being able to help define
78
00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:51,893
onboarding processes, the product roadmap,
the types of things
79
00:05:51,893 --> 00:05:57,565
that things that banks are accustomed
to coming from an enterprise software type of a world.
80
00:05:57,565 --> 00:06:02,570
So I think the fact that BND already
had an existing ecosystem,
81
00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:08,201
they clearly have a mandate from the state of North Dakota,
and they have that trust from the community.
82
00:06:08,242 --> 00:06:12,246
I thought they were just extremely well positioned
to execute on this type of a roadmap,
83
00:06:12,246 --> 00:06:17,668
and at the end of the day, this goes back to this
being an extension of the existing business model.
84
00:06:19,253 --> 00:06:25,009
We’re speaking with some of the folks working in operations,
it gets distilled down to
85
00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:29,389
oh Roughrider Coin is just it's
this is just another type of ACH, right?
86
00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:34,685
And when you're when you're talking about innovation
within regulated financial institutions,
87
00:06:34,727 --> 00:06:40,358
seeing those types of light bulbs are,
that's what you want to see
88
00:06:40,608 --> 00:06:44,404
because it just makes the entire go to market
89
00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:48,533
and integration process far more palatable
and something that folks can get comfortable with.
90
00:06:48,616 --> 00:06:52,245
Right. And that's what we really want is all of
our financial institutions
91
00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:56,249
in North Dakota to be comfortable with this
as we kind of crawl, walk, run throughout it.
92
00:06:56,249 --> 00:06:59,710
Let's think bigger picture longer term
for Bank of North Dakota.
93
00:06:59,710 --> 00:07:03,756
In your ideal world, just with your background
and your experience, what would you like to see
94
00:07:03,798 --> 00:07:09,220
Bank of North Dakota's
digital assets platform look like in the far term future?
95
00:07:09,262 --> 00:07:12,932
Yeah, well clearly the focus is on a successful phase one.
96
00:07:12,932 --> 00:07:18,062
But I think what's really powerful
is there's so much low hanging fruit.
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You have flows between North Dakota financial institutions
where Roughrider Coin can play a part.
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But those same financial institutions have meaningful flows with banks in other states.
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Yeah, Wyoming would be an example.
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You also, given its proximity to the Canadian border, you have a lot of cross-border flows.
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So just in the context of expanding where Roughrider can go
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from a financial institution perspective,
and then clearly from a cross border perspective,
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there's a lot of value that can be unlocked purely in that.
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Then thinking a little bit longer term I do think that this network could evolve into a real world
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asset issuance platform, where you could start creating marketplaces and liquidity
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for a lot of assets that are physically domiciled in the
state of North Dakota.
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And the thing that's wonderful is
you already have on the ground agents
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who are very familiar with enforcing covenants
and structuring those types of loans.
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And so it becomes a mechanism to bring in new liquidity
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to the state of North Dakota,
with Roughrider Coin being the vehicle
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or the on ramp for folks outside of the
ecosystem to participate in.
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Yeah I think that's awesome and that's exactly kind of what our goal is with Roughrider Coin is we want to advance
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North Dakota ag, commerce, and industry really into the future.
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That's our time today. We really want to thank Harrison
for sitting down with us here in the Venetian.
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We'll see you next time on 701Chain.
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