Bill Cunningham 9/20/26

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Speaker 1: Hi, Billy Cunningham, the great American. Thanks for listening tonight. And so many issues, so little time, as you may know. President Xi Jinping is coming with a big powwow with the president on Thursday here for about three days. There's rumors out of China that he's in ill health based upon what happened in India. We'll see in about 72 hours or so what happens with that powwow. Also, 60 Minutes did a little bit of journalism tonight, which is quite unusual, in which they put on the husband and the father, Patrick Clancy, relative to the murder of his three children at the hands, literally, of his wife. He talked about Cora Clancy and Dawson Clancy and Callen, eight-month-old baby boy that died literally in the arms of Patrick Clancy because at the hands of Lindsay Clancy, went on and on. And it's awful. It's terrible. I'm glad somehow he can find peace in this life or the next. He has remarried. to a medical doctor, a female, very nice looking lady. And I think she's pregnant with a child and God bless him. He related that for many months, he knew that his wife, Lindsay, was mentally in trouble. She tried to check herself into a mental hospital. She had serious postpartum depression after the third child was born, a little boy named Callan. And she sought medical treatment. The medical system put her on numerous drugs, one type or another. And Patrick knew his wife, was struggling mightily. She wanted something to eat, so he went out to get the food. When he came back, I can't imagine the horror that he experienced, which is seeing his wife in the backyard. She jumped from their house second floors. She had cuts on her neck, cuts on her wrist, and also was seemingly profoundly injured in the fall. She turned out to be in a wheelchair now for the rest of her life. And then he goes in the house yelling for his children, beginning with Korah, beautiful little baby girl, about five years old, had no response. And he finally found them in the basement, strangled to death. Callan, the little eight-year-old boy, was able to survive for a couple, three days. He dialed 911. In a panic, they came. And all of a sudden, he spent the next three or four days in the hospital, children's hospital, with little baby boy, eight-month-old Callan. And literally, Callan died in his arms. He fought courageously. Heart kept beating, and he was praying to God that his little baby boy would be saved. And to watch some of the stuff online, you can't watch it. So much of the feminization of the criminal justice system, so many women online are blaming Patrick Clancy, and they're blaming the doctors. They're blaming the hospitals. They're blaming postpartum depression. They're blaming everything except the woman who committed the murders that were well planned and executed by Lindsay Clancy. And one of the verdicts possible was not guilty by reason of insanity. And it appears the nine women on the jury wanted to send a message. You know, it's not the role of a member of a jury or a jury in total to be sending messages like how to deal with postpartum depression. That's violating your oath if you want to send a message. The role of a jury is to look at the facts and apply it to the law and determine guilt or innocence. in a unanimous way. All 12 have to agree. And in this case, there was profound disagreement among the American population that followed the matter of state of Commonwealth of Massachusetts versus Lindsey Clancy. There was tremendous disagreement. So I was not surprised that there was some disagreement in the jury room. But when you had a jury in Massachusetts filled with liberals, you might have a disagreement when one juror said, no, I'm not going to sign that verdict. I think she's guilty of murder. He was outed by the Boston Globe. His name is Michael Deserenville. And he said, no, he held out to convict her of murder, which, of course, is what she did. He said, quote, I didn't have any doubts. And he had no doubt that she should have been convicted of murder. And he said, quote, as I tried to explain different possible theories during deliberation, I kept getting cut off by the other jurors. I told them I had doubts to sign that jury form not guilty. He said, based on the physical evidence, the key witnesses, what the prosecutor presented, I thought it was enough to prove that she knew exactly what she was doing, and she planned the murder of her own children, which takes a mental process. See, many times, and I have tried several not guilty by reason of insanity cases on on first-degree aggravated murder cases from a defense perspective. It's very hard to convince a jury that if a person cognitively understands what they're doing, that is, they get up in the morning, they dress appropriately, they prepare themselves by taking a shower, brushing your teeth, combing your hair, putting on makeup, and then your mind is working all of a sudden for days and days. She planned out the murder of her own children And she executed the game plan that she developed in her own mind, proving her mind was working. And on top of that, the fact that the way these children were strangled using these so-called exercise bands would take a significant amount of time to murder your own five and three-year-old children. Children, including little Cal and the boy, was only eight months old. It wasn't a bullet left the end of a gun and all of a sudden the person is dead. They were struggling for their life and fighting. And the mother was looking in their eyes as she strangled the life out of her baby's eyes. And this whole case proves the feminization of criminal justice system. And the jurors that were interviewed on CNN and elsewhere said they wanted to send a message. We've got to send a message. More must be done. As if postpartum depression is a brand-new theory, it's been around for about 100 years. It's been treated for a long period of time. And the role of a jury is not to send a message. It's to apply the facts to the law and come up with a verdict. And this one juror, he's a black male from Haiti. I assume he's here legally. I'm not sure. was more or less attacked by women online. White educated females attacked the juror because he was a black male. Gayle King of CBS Morning News was shocked because she assumed that the holdout juror was a white person. When she found out it was a black person, her theories of life dissolved in front of her. She had like a mental glitch herself, Gayle King, the main bobo of Oprah Winfrey. And so obviously these jury members did not follow their oath when they gave interviews talking about the policy prescriptions and sending messages about the difficulties of being a woman, how hard it is to be a mother, how difficult it is to have children, et cetera. That's not the role of a jury at all. They violated their oath. Their role is to apply the facts to the law, come up with a verdict. So the Boston Globe took it to a step further with the 12th juror. that they found out he had a restraining order against him at the time of jury selection and was facing eviction from his apartment that this 12th juror owed about $ 12, 000 in unpaid rent. He was also accused without a conviction of DV in 2021. That's the role of a jury, is not to send messages, but to render a verdict. Yours truly spent four years as a bailiff in Common Pleas Court listening to juries deliberate. I was in charge of the jury system, and I would at times take them to lunch, take them to dinner. One or two times they were kept overnight, they were sequestered. It's amazing what juries talk about in the jury room. That's why when the case is over, you should not come out as a member of a jury and talk about your fellow jurors and what they didn't do. Why would somebody being paid $ 25 a day for like three weeks, put themselves through that when other jurors are outing a jury member who did not want to be outed, and the Boston Globe did the dirty work. And now this guy, this Michael Desrunville, is being attacked online. He's hiding out somewhere, much like, by the way, Patrick Clancy had to get out of Massachusetts because the liberal feminists were after him completely, and some accused him of murdering his own children Without evidence, that's a damnable lie. He had to leave Massachusetts and move to New York City to have more anonymity. That's where we are. I call it the feminization of the criminal justice system. It's sad. i also see it with brian thompson shot in the back you're not a health care ceo by luigi large numbers of women stood outside the new york city courtroom applauding the activities of luigi as i have these photos of these large numbers of women white women and their pink outfits standing out in front of the courtroom of the matter of Massachusetts versus Lindsey Clancy in full support of the murderer. What the hell's going on around this place? It is truly unbelievable. So tonight's interview, I think on 60 Minutes, was great. It was good. I'm glad that Patrick got his message out there. And obviously, the jury was a runaway jury who wanted to send messages instead of finding guilt or innocence. And one juror that stood up and followed his oath did not want to be outed as he was by the Boston Globe. And I hope Michael Desrunville can find peace because he said, $ 25 a day, I don't need this kind of headache. The keyboard warriors are after him. And the keyboard warriors are after Patrick Clancy, a father, husband. Maybe tonight there'll be a sense that maybe you've gone too far and these idiotic women standing out in front supporting a mass murderer like Lindsay Clancy should find something else to do with their time. Let's continue. Secondly, before I go to the calls, we have full lines already. 866-647-7337. Another part of 60 Minutes tonight was about AI, about data centers. And I have a guest coming on later to talk about it. It's been going on for about 30 years. We have about 5,000 data centers in America. And right now, There's a moratorium many states have on data centers until there's more rules and regulations in place. I'm fine with that. We can't let corporate America run amok. Some things that must be in data centers have been put there by Donald Trump in March. And what he said in March was, you know what? Data centers are good. However, there must be an agreement by those operating data centers that we have some rules in place you're going to have to follow. One is an agreement by those conducting all these data centers, et cetera, that number one, that there will be no net drag on the local utilities. That's an important factor. Would you agree? Can't do that. You can't. I know my energy bill is high enough. I don't need any more high energy bills. So somehow we must have a circumstance where the existence of a data center is a positive on your energy bill. Number two. It must be an industrial park away from population centers. You know, everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die. We all need our electrical devices to work, but we don't want to hear the hum. So how about this? They have to be energy positive for you. Your utility bill will go down. Secondly, they must be far away from residential areas, so-called industrial parks, so you don't hear the hum. Number three, there can't be any non-immunity for the operator of the data centers. When the government gets involved, you pay off the politicians and the vaccine manufacturers get immunity from prosecution or liability cases. So number three, as Trump believes, that there can't be no immunity clauses. That is, if you screw up in a data center, if you're Google, if you're Facebook, if you're Microsoft, whatever, and you screw up, you got to pay damages. Likewise, the water usage has got to be.
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Speaker 5: Negative.
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Speaker 1: In other words, you can't use water. In Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, we have more water than we know what to do with. The Ohio River and the lakes, all the water systems here are wonderful. We need somewhere to put our water. And here, that's not an issue. But in Texas, New Mexico, that's a big issue. So they can't use water, and there's ways of getting around that and the new ones. It's got to be far away from population centers. The local community has to have a community agreement, which is when you put these buildings, they can't look as ugly as they look now. And secondly, there has to be community agreements. You can have certain commercial zones where one or two percent is charged on the workers to go to the local community for schools. And many good community agreements mean that the tax rates for the local residents go down when the community agreement is signed, which up to this point, a lot of these community centers and AI and data centers don't have the community agreement. And marginal nukes are about two to three years away. That means there'll be a small nuclear plant at the data center, like on a nuclear submarine, in order to provide all the energy for the data center. So it's not a drag on you. And so when I see on 60 Minutes, 100% of those showing up with these Anti-data centers, meaning step back and think about this for a moment. Many red states have data centers. Many blue states do not. That's why red states are places to move into. The taxes are lower, partially because of data centers. And in the state of Texas, they need 300,000 more middle-class workers to come there and work in and around data centers. It takes about 6,000 to 10,000 workers to build one large data center. And then to operate it is, again, a multi-thousand-person employment situation for years into the future. Why wouldn't you want that? But you must have a community agreement. It can't be behind the drape and behind the curtain. The data center itself has got to look nice. It can't look like a warehouse, for God's sakes. It's got to be energy positive for the natives. There can't be immunity for the operators. They have to generate their own power Anything extra is given to the local community and that the community agreement has got to take into effect all these and more. Does this make sense to you? I hope it does. Let's talk about that and so much more. We have calls from Missouri and Vegas and Florida and Chicago. We have three lines open, 866-647-7337. When you call in tonight, Danny Boy Gleason, my executive producer, is off for a night. The Honorable Russell Jackson. Action Jackson is taking your calls at 866-647-7337. Bill Cunningham, The Great American, with you and all great Americans every Sunday night. And, of course, irrespective of policy, this is all directed toward the midterm elections. Now, according to the media, it's building up as a huge blue wave that will wash across the country and turn the House and the Senate over to the Democrats, including getting ready for 28th, the great enchilada, to return the days of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries in charge of policy. That's what this is directed toward. And the shooting this afternoon in Texas is part of that. We don't know the facts. Of course, we don't know the facts. But already there's protesters out in force in Austin, the capital, because an illegal immigrant was shot by an ICE agent, likely defending his own life. And he's in stable condition. He's anticipated he's going to live. And according to one U.S. congressman, the person shot was a foreign national, an illegal immigrant. alien from Venezuela with a final order of removal inside of a vehicle directed at an ICE official, an ICE policeman trying to make an arrest of someone with a final order of removal, much like in the Renee Good situation in Minneapolis, in which she used her vehicle to run into a police officer, ordering her to stop. If you or I do that, if Mark from Missouri, if Bill Cunningham does that, guess what? We're likely to get shot. Or if Alex Preddy directly involves himself into an arrest of an illegal while he's armed. There might be a misunderstanding. And Alex Pretty, someone like that may get shot. Rene Good got shot and is dead. And this Venezuelan supposedly is going to make it. But Chip Roy, who's a U.S. congressman, said that we were told the shooter is a foreign national, an illegal alien from Venezuela with a final order of removal. The war is the one being waged against Americans. through mass legal and illegal migration into America. The mayor has shown up, and all of a sudden the mayor is very unhappy about this, liberal Democrat mayor. He's saying essentially that this was an execution somehow on the streets of Austin, and we must know the facts. And the protesters have been called out by the mayor driving toward the midterm elections. Let's continue with more. Your calls are next, 866-647-7337. If you listen to me all the time, you know I support law enforcement until there's a reason not to. In this case, there's no reason not to. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night. I have a list here. I want to get to the calls in about two or three minutes. I have a list here of numerous other circumstances in the last two. and a half years in which mothers have killed their babies. And on almost every circumstance, there were support and protests and groups getting together, mainly white educated females to offer excuses to why this took place. In Cincinnati, about two years ago, We had a terrible circumstance where a guy named Chad Dorman shot and murdered his three children, three sons. They were seven, five, and two. Their names were Chase, Hunter, and Clayton. And he was indicted. The wife, the mother, was around the area when the shots were fired. She tried to save her baby's lives, and she couldn't. And she also suffered a wound. Her name was Laura Derman, the wife of Chad Derman. And when that went on, it went on for about six months to eight months locally in Cincinnati. There was some national media coverage, but not much. But there wasn't one man, not one guy would ever go to the Claremont County Courthouse in Batavia, Ohio. and stand with Chad Derman and the murder of his three children. The idea that me or you or any guy would have gone to Batavia and stand, I guess, with purple or pink or blue outfits out in front of the courthouse yelling support for this murderer would have been impossible. So what is it that women, especially white educated females, will voice support for Luigi Mangione and other mass murderers, including the murderer of these three beautiful babies, Lindsay Clancy. She murdered these three babies. Up to 1 to 200 women would go to the courthouse and stand there in their silly pink outfits supporting this mass murderer and offering excuses and coming up with theories as to why she didn't do it or she wasn't responsible for it. I don't see any man supporting a mass murderer.
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Speaker 5: Do you?
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Speaker 1: And I look at the photos out of this scene out of Plymouth Superior Court and in front of Judge William Sullivan. I find it amazing that anyone could voice support for Luigi when he murdered Brian Thompson, shot him in the back, hunted him down and murdered him in cold blood. And 100 women and their outfits will stand out in front of the courthouse supporting Luigi Mangione. It's amazing. It's like a mental illness that is loose. And maybe it's just Ohio justice is different than that in New York City or Massachusetts. But when a mass murderer, a parent murders in cold blood his own children, there'll be not one guy standing there saying anything other than it deserves to be executed. Prosecutor in the case decided with the approval of the mother left without her children. to give him three consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole. In Ohio, that means without the possibility of parole. Three, for murdering your children in cold blood. He also claimed to be suffering from a mental illness. While he did all the things necessary using his mind to commit the murder, he should have held to account, just as Lindsay Clancy did all the things necessary to prepare the execution in cold blood of her own children, strangling them in a horrible way. and you have hundreds of women saying, after all, she isn't responsible, then female jurors will say, we wanted to send a message about postpartum depression. Well, send the message to heaven to Cora and Dawson and Callen. And send the message to Patrick Clancy. Fortunately, after two and a half years, he's recovered some of his life. And it is sick and it's sad. Let's continue with calls. And we're going to go to Mark in Missouri first and Mike in Austin. And Mark in Missouri, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Mark, how are you?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm doing well, Bill.
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Speaker 6: For my first point, before I get to my main one on that, Lindsay Clancy and those women, this is a result of 50-plus years of women saying, this is my body, my choice. So now we've gone to my house, my choice. And it's just a location situation. And this mindset is just so set in. And they've dehumanized children. And they've dehumanized everyone, like Luigi Mangione, those people protecting him. It's just, this is what happens. And 75 million kids have been killed. And people are numb to it. It's a mindset that has just infiltrated the minds of, obviously, Half the women in this country are more, and even some men.
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Speaker 1: And look at it this way. Also, Mark, look, in the state of Massachusetts, the governor there, who claims to be a practicing, named Healy, a practicing Roman Catholic, signed a bill that said you can kill your baby in your womb up to the moment of birth. Now they also have a government department that will go around and counsel women that are pregnant as to what their choices are. Now, what is that? What the hell does that mean?
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Speaker 6: Oh, they're urging abortion.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 6: That's what they're doing. There's a lot of money in it.
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Speaker 1: Kill the baby. Kill him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: That's just a convenient situation. Over 96% of abortions are done for convenience. This mindset has infiltrated the country. It's infiltrated the world. I forget how many of the total a year. our abortions in the world but this is just this is madness in this the fact that we've got one guy who did what you said you can have a disinterested look at the law and the facts and he did that and even if there was something to these psychosis he didn't think so because he'd looked at all the evidence and he didn't think so but this guy's in hiding what does that say about our.
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Speaker 1: Country the liberals are after him the liberals are after him in fact lindsey clancy has raised about three million dollars and a defense fund And to me, I mean, what's that? What's the kids, the black kids named Wells in Mississippi, the family spending his defense fund money, Nolan Wells spending his money because they're swimming while black. What happened in that case was an accidental drowning. But the liberals use that as a fundraising mechanism. And in Healy's case, the governor, if you're pregnant, they want to know what your options are, and they'll send out state employees to counsel women on how to kill their own babies. And I'm thinking, I live in some fantasy land, and I don't understand what the hell happened to our society.
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Speaker 6: That's Minglesque. I mean, they want to kill kids. It's just, I don't have words for it. We are in an evil situation, and that's kind of the main point of my call. We are at one of the most dangerous situations in the history of our country. I mean, I know we had the revolution, Civil War, World War I, World War.
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Speaker 5: II, Vietnam, et cetera.
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Speaker 6: But this Democrat Party is about bringing the country down. They'll do anything for power. They'll go after a former president, invade his home, try to put him in jail for life. They'll allow 20 million people to come to the country. They don't care. They've killed over 2,000 people. They have no conscience, kind of like with the abortion thing. They don't care about life. And this is maybe what's infiltrated into. They have no care at all for the people of this country. And it's it's we have this midterm coming up and the polls don't look good. No, but I wish there was more urgency on their part of the Republicans. They do things, they say things and just criticize. I mean, the whole Democrat Party, they talk about the jihadists and the communists. Yes, they're there and they admit it, basically. But the whole party is the same and they'll do the same. They want to. Turn us into, I guess, a communist jihadist state. And Obama's behind a lot of this, too. He called the guy that won in Michigan a syad. Anyway, congratulate him. So what does that say?
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Speaker 1: Dr. Abdul is not a doctor. If Dr. Abdul, with Medicare for all, with all the middle class Americans in Michigan getting their gold-plated health care from autoworkers, if they vote to put Dr. Abdul, who's not a doctor in the Senate, and this isn't New York or California or Massachusetts, this is Michigan, the state that Trump won twice. That's why I don't believe the polls. I'm looking at the polls here. There's not one poll in Michigan that has Mike Rogers up, not one. And I'm thinking, maybe I don't live, maybe I'm the crazy one, you know? Maybe I'm the one that's nuts. I don't get it. We got to run, but thanks for your call. Let's go to Mike in Austin, Texas. And Mike, talk to me about this shooting earlier today in Austin.
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Speaker 7: Well, thanks for taking the call, and thanks for representing the some sanity here, but, uh, yeah, they had the press conference down here with the mayor, the police chief and Kassar, the big congressman. And all they could do is commit, uh, accuse ice of committing murder. And I'd like to see some pushback from Homeland security, the Republican party, the administration to say the, this all started with the slow Joe Biden administration and aiding and abetting all these illegals to come into the country in the first place by the millions. And if that hadn't happened, all this wouldn't be going on now either.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I watched the news conference of the Mayor Kirk Watson and the Police Chief Lisa Davis. and EMS Chief Robert Lukritz. Do we know the facts yet? I mean, I know facts don't get in the way of a good story, but do we know what the facts are? The Venezuelan was shot, and he's alive, he's in stable condition, but what are the facts of the shooting?
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Speaker 3: Is there a video?
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Speaker 7: I have not heard. I i don't know i haven't seen any local newscasts yet but it all started with the biden administration committing millions of crimes letting them all come in here yes and now we got.
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Speaker 1: To get them out And there's no, according to DHS, I'll hold a statement there an hour and a half ago, they said he was an illegal from Venezuela with a final deportation order and more to come. And I hope there's a video, you know, every now and then a cop goes rogue. And, you know, I'm not, I'm not unconcerned about this. Every now and then cops act up, cops commit murders, cop do bad, you know, cops, cops are not Jesus Christ. They make a lot of mistakes. But the great majority of time, Whether it's Rene Good or Alex Preddy, there's justification for what they do because their life was in jeopardy or they perceived their life was in jeopardy. And I've seen some notes on X accounts that the guy was in a car and he directed it at a law enforcement official and he was shot through the back window. You know, a lot of maybe there's a body cam. Maybe there isn't. But I don't know about you, Mike, but I tend to believe law enforcement. And I'm sure there's many witnesses that witness what happened that can say. But until the facts are known, why would the mayor shoot his mouth off, draw out the mob to protest, scream, holler and shout and shut down parts of Austin, Texas, the capital? Why would the mayor do that when the facts are not known?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Speaker 7: They just want to inflame the situation more. And I'm with you. I stand with law enforcement. I don't think any officer of the law, they wouldn't shoot somebody without a reason. And I saw some footage on a little bit of a clip at the scene where the protesters were starting and there was a car. It looked like it had been sideswiped. And I don't know if that was the getaway car, quote unquote, that illegal was using. It was like a Toyota, a blue Toyota or something. It wasn't an ICE vehicle, but I had heard something about there being a car chase to some small degree. And so, yeah, I'm like you.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: What all the facts are.
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Speaker 1: It could be a Renee Good situation where she was detained, she was under arrest, and she used her car to run into an ICE vehicle. police officer and then she was shot and killed now if you're a cop and and you're have someone under arrest get out of the car you're being detained and that person uses the vehicle to run into you and hit you with a car and you're a cop what do you.
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Speaker 7: Do absolutely and cassar referred to that today that the the video from that well the officer claimed that pretty or a good woman He was trying to run him down with the car, but then when the video came out, it showed the exact opposite, which that's a total bare-faced lie.
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Speaker 1: That's a lie.
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Speaker 2: He was trying to run him down.
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Speaker 1: That's a lie. And she looked at him. When the officer came around the front of her car, she made eye contact with him. He got to the front left of her headlight, and then she hit the gas and hit him with her car. Now that's called attempted murder of a police officer.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: But you have to change the facts to fit your opinion. So Mayor Watson's got to lie at a podium without knowing what the facts are. And Police Chief Lisa Davis looks like the classic DEI hire. She's standing there bobbing her head like a bobblehead. And I'm thinking, okay. And why can't you say, let's wait till the facts come out? Is there a body cam? Can we see what occurred? The guy is in stable condition. He's going to be deported at some point. And the ACLU is going to get involved and sue bejabers out of everybody. Can we wait to see what the facts are? Does that make sense to anybody? Not to the mayor. The mayor wants to use this for political purposes, I guess, to get James Talafrico elected to the U.S.
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Speaker 6: Senate.
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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And tell me, Mike, before I let you go, tell me, I mean, let's face it, Paxton's not the greatest candidate ever, but tell me the Texans are not going to look at the record of James Talafrico, who said the Blessed Virgin was a skank and that Jesus Christ was binary. Tell me Texas is not going to put him in the U.S. Senate.
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Speaker 7: Oh, my God. We cannot let that happen. freak get in there and they change their story once they're running for election then they change their story for three three months before the election oh i didn't really mean that and then when i get in the office they turn just like the oh uh cheryl the governor of virginia that turned like a spanberger yes yeah that one yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable it's unbelievable The media non-coverage of serious events, just a completely different matter. President Trump met in March with those who build these AI data centers, and they all signed the ratepayer protection pledge that dealt with water usage in Texas. It's a big issue. They can't do that. It has to be away from residential areas. They have to be energy positive for the community. There can't be immunity. You can't give immunity to a data center. And there has to be community agreements where the community benefits. And so those are the facts. But the Democrats, because the facts and the truth doesn't work, the Democrats make up lies to get elected. And as one of my friends said, liberalism is a mental disorder. Let's continue with more. By the way, after 11 o'clock tonight, Steve Gorham is going to be here all about data centers and AI. And later on is John Lott to talk about the dangers the immigrant community faces. presents to our country because of the violence. Fifty minutes after the hour, Bill Cunningham, The Great American, with you and all great Americans, every Sunday night. All right, Billy Cunningham, let's continue. You see, if the truth doesn't work, make something up. But when the leader of a great city like Austin comes out immediately after a police-involved shooting... and assumes wrongdoing by ICE officials and assumes something's wrong. And I look at some of the video and there's hundreds of people in the streets of Austin, Texas, and I'm protesting what? Call out the mob. It's the rent-a-mob mentality. 30 bucks an hour to protest. And this is all directed toward the midterm elections. Much like most immediate coverage is directed toward an election, so the leftists assume power in this country. If you take the typical liberal Democrat, Layer on top of that large members of the DSA, Democratic Socialists of America. Add on top of that a few communists. And then add on top of that Islamic extremism, like Dr. Abdul. Put that together in a toxic mix. It's something our country's never seen before, and I hope never sees again. The only way we can stop it is at the ballot box. I've heard many Islamic leaders talk about, we will win this fight with the West and America, not with bullets. but with ballots will take over at the ballot box or with babies and democracies. And you have to look at the numbers, for example, in Western Europe to see the most popular names of babies being born. And also the birth rate of Muslim females is 4.2 per female. The typical European is about 0.8 per female. Jump ahead 20 years. What do you got? You have democracy. You don't win by bullets, but by ballots and by babies. And that's what's occurring. And we have to stop it. America cannot be compliant with Islamic extremism, jihad, and with burqa wearing on city streets. That's not America. Let's continue with more coming up. Next will be Steve Gorham about AI centers and more, responding to what happened on 60 Minutes tonight. Bill Cunningham, The Great American, with you and all great Americans. Every Sunday night.
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Speaker 1: I'm Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, 60 Minutes is now doing reports on this. It is the flavor of the month, the scare tactics. of the radical left dealing with AI and also data centers. By the way, data centers have been around for decades, and right now there's about 5,000 or so. And yes, the regulation must take place, but it's a wonderful source of future cures for cancer and energy, things of that character. Plus, AI is going to kill us all, as we know. Likely we have about five years to live. Don't worry about your 401K. We're all going to die. AI is going to be like in the movies, Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's going to be wonderful. We're all going to die within five years. Steve Gorm is the executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of America, author of four books on sustainable energy. Also, he has 100,000 in print. Latest is Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewal. Energy Failure. Steve Gorham, once again, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. For those who may have a little bit of knowledge about this, explain AI and explain data centers and how the left and the Democrats are scaring the crap out of people. Give me a full report on those two issues.
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Speaker 8: Hey, Billy, great to join you again. Yeah, AI is the ability to have machines to reason like humans and to accomplish tasks. And work's been going on for about 75 years on machine intelligence, and within the last 10 years, it's really accelerated. And what you need is you need graphics processing cards made by NVIDIA and others in data centers. And you put those in, and you get all this processing power, and you can do AI. But boy, this has become the greatest big scare. You know, this is just like a Y2K and we're going to run out of oil and overpopulation and climate change. And now we've got everybody running around headlines in The Guardian. Could AI wipe out humanity?
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Speaker 5: I mean, it is.
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Speaker 8: Remarkable the way these things can be seized. And boy, if you want to get on Fox or CBS or NBC, just so you know that AI is going to wipe out the world and they'll put you on there and you could become famous. It is remarkable.
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Speaker 1: Explain about, you said off the air to me, there's about 250 bills in the Congress. And watching, in little Cincinnati, Ohio, we have a couple hundred data centers in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. And they've been there for a long time. And now there's an expansion going on. And all you got to do in a small town America is say that a data center is coming to your small town. It's 100% opposed by 2,000 or 3,000 people. There's a hot Senate race here with John Husted. against Sherrod Brown. And the big issue is, according to Sherrod Brown, is data centers. And they're going to use that as a club, as a cudgel against John Husted and blame him for the rise in the energy prices because of, quote, data centers. Is there a connection?
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Speaker 8: Well, there can be a connection, but there's a lot of good ways to handle this, too.
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Speaker 2: And we've been building all these data centers.
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Speaker 8: Now, data centers are just like big warehouses, right? You know, I wouldn't want one next to my house, but I wouldn't want... That doesn't mean we ought to ban warehouses across the country. I mean, it's just goofy. Local people should have the opportunity to determine whether a data center goes in or not. And the companies building them, like Google or Microsoft or Amazon, should be open with the local people on what's going on if they.
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Speaker 5: Now, the big data center.
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Speaker 8: The local populace, should require them to build a power plant to provide their own electricity, and then electric rates won't go up. And more and more of these big data centers are— another big issue is water usage. But they're building these systems that are contained— where they use water to cool the boards, the graphics processing units, and the servers. It evaporates, but it's contained in the system. It condenses, comes back, and they reuse it. And if that's the case, you use almost no water. So there are proper ways to do this. There are proper locations. It shouldn't be in the middle of a town, maybe, but, you know, a little bit outside of town in an industrial area, in places where they had factories in the past that were closed. There's a lot of places to put data centers. They're not disasters. And they can be big, big values for community. We had a medium-sized data center just get built in Joliet, and it's providing 10,000 construction jobs and $ 2. 1 billion in tax revenue over a 30-year period.
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Speaker 5: And this is just a small, medium-sized data center. So they can be of very high value. And by the way, what.
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Speaker 8: We're finding is the green energy states aren't building these New York has only built.
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Speaker 5: Six data centers in the last two years.
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Speaker 8: California has built 20, but that's only 7.5% increase. Massachusetts has built zero. Colorado has built one data center. But we've got places like Indiana building 84 of them. Iowa has built 73 new data centers in two years. Texas, over 200. So, you know, there are proper ways to do this. There's ways to handle the power in the water. But a state is going to miss out if they just say, well, we're just going to ban them.
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Speaker 5: Very foolish.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's why diesel prices in California are like $ 10 a gallon. I look at this objectively. I wouldn't want to live next to a data center. And I get it. I understand that. But if it's in an industrial park miles away from residential areas, If it is self-contained, there's no noise coming out of the data center. Thirdly, if it's energy positive for the community, that is either they have a modular nuke, which is about three years away, or in Ohio, we have more water than we know what to do with. There's a billion cubic feet of water every hour that passes through Cincinnati on the Ohio River. We've got plenty of water. We want to get rid of the water. We've got Lake Erie. We've got plenty of water. And on top of that, a community agreement. If these data centers, whether it's Google or Amazon or Microsoft, whatever it is, has a community agreement, this is what we will contribute to the local community. You talk about $ 2 billion over 30 years in addition to the jobs, and you can have a special kind of an area that you can tax the workers there for 1% or 2%, which otherwise in townships you can't do in many areas. You can have a community agreement that 1% or 2% of the income of the workers– are going to go to the local schools. It looks to me like a win, win, win, win, win. However, when 60 Minutes does a piece on this, everyone comes out against it, and mainly the Democrats and some Republicans are going to use this issue to drive turnout because the data centers, which we have thousands of them already, and they have the proper community agreement, then what's the objection?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you know, I think there's actually some good in these objections. The companies building these said originally they made private deals with a lot of people. They said they were under nondisclosure. They didn't inform citizens. But now they're changing their tune. They're coming in and they're holding big seminars. They're letting people meet engineers. And they're explaining what they're doing, which is the way it should be. And the local people should have the control. They should be able to say, well, we want it or we don't want it. But the idea that we're going to ban data centers like the state of New York has, or we do some at a federal level. Then we got people like Bernie Sanders that said he wants to take the federal government on 50 percent of every AI company in the country. So it's just like crazy things going on. And I think but, you know, Mr. President Trump has actually done the best thing. He's done this ratepayer protection pledge. He had the AI companies come in and sign saying they would pay for any power increase. And that pledge was signed by Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, OpenAI, Oracle. And it's now been signed by 25 governors and about 200 companies, utilities and everybody else, that are saying that the consumer is going to be protected and the people building the data centers are going to pay for the electricity. So that is really the right approach. There's also a bill in Congress to try and put that through. We'll see if that gets done.
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Speaker 1: I doubt it will get done because the Democrats would rather exploit the issue than take advantage of it. So in March, the president called in all the bigwigs and this rate payer protection pledge. They have to be held accountable for that. And the other thing I noticed is a big headline on Bloomberg that says exclusive look at blue collar workforce fueling America's AI boom. We're talking about for a large data center. These are blue collar Americans who are making one to two hundred thousand dollars a year building these data centers, which talk about, and this isn't the scientists, these are butchers and bakers, candlestick makers, electricians and plumbers.
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Speaker 5: Electricians, yeah.
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Speaker 1: This is wonderful for middle-class Americans, correct? This is good.
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Speaker 5: It is.
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Speaker 8: It's a terrific thing. Let me say a little bit about this catastrophe. The thing that people are talking about is autonomous artificial intelligence systems taking over and doing things. That is very, very unlikely. AI systems are really powerful. A large AI model can review 100 million sentences from 100,000 books and give you an answer in a few seconds. But what they are is big pattern matching machines. They don't really know what the words mean, but they go out and look at all this language that's on the internet that humans have done, and they can give you an answer. And it's usually pretty accurate. They don't even know what a dog is, but they can identify pictures of dogs, and they come up with a probability. They'll say, well, this is an 85% chance that this is a golden retriever, 8% a Labrador retriever, but they don't really know what the animal is. It's So they are these complex pattern matching systems, and the idea that they're going to take over everything, that's science fiction. You know, that's Terminator kind of stuff.
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Speaker 5: It's just foolish.
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Speaker 1: So we're not going to die? We're not going to have a Terminator with Arnold Schwarzenegger saving humanity? I mean, can you line up the scare tactics used by liberals, Democrats, and others over the years to scare Well, let me say what we really need to worry about. The real thing we need to worry about is bad human actors using AI.
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Speaker 8: To do things like create falsehoods on the Internet to sway elections, to create biological, nuclear, radiological weapons.
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Speaker 1: They can do some of that.
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Speaker 2: To do deepfake videos.
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Speaker 8: You know, they have stuff of Elon Musk online now asking people to invest, and it's all a big scam. But, you know, he's the wealthiest guy in the world, and everybody thinks, wow, we've got to go invest with Elon Musk. Cyber attacks, autonomous weapons are another problem.
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Speaker 5: But these are.
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Speaker 8: Things where people are using AI to do bad things, and we need to stop that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 8: But the machines themselves are not going to take over. But as you say, we've had all these scares in the past. We've had climate scares. We've had Y2K. We thought we were going to run out of oil, peak oil. We had the population bomb, Paul Ehrlich, said hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death. That never happened. But the United Nations and all these people believe all these scares, and they trumpet it, and then we get the governments doing it as well. And you're right. The Democrats right now are trying to do it to win the next election.
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Speaker 1: Paul Ehrlich said in 1968, quote, he sold millions of books to Population Bomb. He said, quote, the battle to feed humanity is over in the 1970s and 80s. Hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash program embarked upon right now. Then you got the whole Al Gore situation in which by 2025, Florida would be under 10 feet of water. There would be no ice in the Arctic or the Antarctic. And you'd line up some of peak oil. All of a sudden, we've run out of oil. You have another quote in 1977. There's no more coal or oil to be found. And in fact, we are out of oil and coal. And then Y2K, I don't know how many millions of dollars were raised on that, that everything was going to shut down. You couldn't make telephone calls, can't turn the lights on. And this is another one. And I'm respectful of small town America and others who are fearing the future. Why do we need data centers now more than ever? And what happens if we don't do it?
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Speaker 8: Well, what happens is others will do it. I mean, right now, we have about 90% of the world's private money is being spent in the United States on artificial intelligence, and we're leading the world, and it's going fast. But not private money in China, but the government is funding everything in China, all these companies to do AI work. And we really don't want to fall behind. That would be a bad thing to do. Somebody said today that we'll all be speaking Mandarin if that happens. So this is a competition. There's ways to manage it. There's ways to manage data centers. We should be sensible and get rid of the fear that, you know, we're all going to die from AI.
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Speaker 5: That's just goofy stuff.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, a wise man said that America innovates, China duplicates, Europe regulates. And you talk about the 90% number. This is where Indians, Chinese, South Americans, Africans come because the unicorns, the brilliant individuals like Elon Musk and Bill Gates, the unicorns want to come to America because there's a risk reward and they can grow. And so you have some ignorance held by many Americans that may be well-placed. And when I see people at these town hall meetings saying, how they look like me and my relatives. I get that. But step back and think about the jobs, the community agreements, put them in industrial parks, have them energy positive, which is an agreement they signed with Donald Trump the media doesn't talk about. which is the rate payer protection pledge that they've taken. And this is a way to drive the American economy forward in a great positive way. And if we don't do that, 60 Minutes tonight made the remarks about curing cancer. How do you run these models? How come we have these wonderful treatments all of a sudden? It's because you can take a particular kind of a theory and run it through an AI program, which in a few hours you have whether or not certain tests are going to work or not. It's a wonderful tool to be used in the future. And for us not to do this, I'll tell you what's going to happen in my viewpoint without much question is that the blue states are not going to do it, as you pointed out, and the red states are going to do it. And America is going to benefit and the jobs for middle class Americans are going to be in the red states because I can't imagine New York. They have no pipelines. They have nuclear power plants are dissipating. They don't want to build utility plants of any type, and the utility rates there are confiscatory. And states like Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana are going to have a different circumstance. We're going to have AI and data centers, and that's where people are going to go for jobs. There's one story I'm reading from Bloomberg. In Texas, they're looking for 350,000 workers, 350,000 in one state to build data centers. And that's where the future lies, and that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 8: Georgia is another one they're building like crazy. South Carolina, yeah, a lot of places in the south, they're going to build these things.
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Speaker 5: And, you know, I think, again, the sensible regulations.
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Speaker 8: Are the government ought to put in some high-level stuff to go after people that are using AI incorrectly and doing bad things. For data centers, local communities ought to have the last say. but sensible laws talking about how the AI companies ought to pay for their power and recirculate their water, but not do total bans. We do those sort of things, the industry will continue to grow and we'll be able to protect our economy.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful idea, Steve Gorm. Books include Green Breakdown. You have a column up on this AI and data centers and the scare tactics used right now on the eve of election, even governor Abbott of Texas is kind of backed off a little bit. And what he says makes some sense, which is let's have community agreements. Let's put them far away from residential areas, but let make them energy positive for the community. Let's tax them to such an extent the local communities benefit. And water usage in Texas might be a little bit of a problem. But in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana, it's not a problem at all. We've got plenty of water. But we've got to run. And once again, Steve Gorm, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And we'll do it again. But the truth will set us free. And we need an informed electorate to make wise decisions.
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Speaker 2: Keep up your great work.
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Speaker 8: And people should look for a green breakdown in the coming renewable energy failure.
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Speaker 1: God bless you and God bless America. Steve Gorham, thank you very much. Let's continue with more. And I'll tell you what, this is the topic du jour that the liberal Democrats and liberalism is a mental disease. Somehow this is another topic to scare the crap out of people when reality is different. And the reality is, done properly, this is a great benefit. Let's do it properly. Let's move the economy forward. Let's lower energy and let's lower utility costs. And let's make sure that America is ready for the challenges of the 21st century. Hell, I sound like a politician. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night. Hi, Billy Cunningham, The Great American. Of course, Steve Gorham and the President has the answers tonight on 60 Minutes. The report had nothing to do with the fact that in March, the president had all these big-time AI and data center developers sign a rate payer protection pledge. And that wasn't mentioned at all in 60 Minutes in which they agreed to have a positive impact on rates in your community. See, the truth will set you free. Let's continue with more. Coming up next is Melanie Curtis of USPIE, U.S. Parents Involved in Education, about what's happening to the urban areas and the lack of education being received by especially black kids who need it badly. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night. Hi, Billy Cunningham. The Great American School is underway. In the last three or four weeks, we've had all the schools starting. They start sometime in August, which I think is a mistake. Nonetheless, that's my personal viewpoint. But nonetheless, we have some statistics in about how schools are doing in the first month of operation. And I would note, and I relate this to Melanie Curtis coming up, and that is the fact that In New York City, there's thousands of parents who have made the decision now to take their kids out of public schools to government schools because, number one, they learn nothing. Number two, it's dangerous in the school. Number three, it's dangerous to go to school. That's not the way things ought to be. But we have a situation now, United States parents involved in education, and Melanie Curtis has a posting up about unmasking government schools. And Melanie, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, can you relate to to struggling parents in major urban areas that cannot send their kids to schools in Los Angeles or in Chicago or in Cincinnati or in New York because of the poor quality. Can you relate to that?
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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 9: You know, parents across the country are struggling with all kinds of issues in the government schools. I mean, the primary one in the fact that Only a third of our children are learning how to read, write, and do math.
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Speaker 3: Which is absolutely deplorable.
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Speaker 9: But as you said, it's physically dangerous, but it's also mentally dangerous. We are putting that gender identity issue in the schools, confusing children from very young about the very essence of who they are. And parents are being kept in the dark. We just had a story about Massachusetts family that had their their child taken away from them by Child Protective Services because they wouldn't change the pronouns that they addressed their child with.
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Speaker 1: Well, in the state of Texas, we have a Senate race and Tallarico about five years ago, he was still in public office. He was in the Texas state Senate. said recorded that I saw recently saying that if parents or if mom or dad do not address their child with the correct identity ID that they the child determines for him or herself what gender they're in, that that's abusive. And if a parent is abusive, what happens? The parents are losing their parental rights. And this is a guy, James Tallarico, who's running and might be the next U.S. senator from Texas, and he's talking about that it is abusive for a parent not to fully engage with a child's sexual identity. And that is similar in many other states, correct?
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Speaker 3: That's correct.
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Speaker 9: And that's absurd, because it's clearly abusive to deform a child's body with inappropriate hormones or physical operations that try to change them and condemn them to.
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Speaker 3: A life of medical treatment, medical expense.
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Speaker 9: And the evidence is not that it improves their outcome. So they have it exactly backwards. The abuse is trying to convince children that they are something that they're not, and that they shouldn't embrace what God has given them, what they've been created at.
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Speaker 1: You know, Mellon, you went over it rather quickly, and I've read things you've written before, and you said one-third of public high school students are proficient in English, that is, spoken and understanding the English language and math. So the flip side of that is we spend more money on public education than any time in American history. We spend more money per student on public education than than any other Western democracy spends on public education. We spend the most, but two thirds come out in a sense illiterate. How's that possible?
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Speaker 3: That's right. That's right.
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, we wrote a report on our government schools redeemable and we go through a lot of the problems that have created this, but I.
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Speaker 3: Found another statistic that's really compelling.
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Speaker 9: You know, back when we had slavery, it was actually illegal to teach slaves to read. And yet there was about a 10% literacy rate. And then after slavery was outlawed and people started creating their own schools, they achieved up to 70% literacy for black kids in the black community, 70%. And right now we are at 19%, 19% of our black children.
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Speaker 3: Are able to read and write at grade level.
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Speaker 9: And we have spent all this money, we have created all this regulation, we have put all this power in the government, and they are failing us. And it's interesting, there's bipartisan recognition that they are failing us.
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Speaker 1: Explain that in your study, because the Gallup poll indicates, I'm going to circle back at some point. And because Walter Williams was one of my frequent guests, and God rest his soul, He grew up in Philadelphia and the projects of Philadelphia in the 40s and 50s and 60s. And he said there were 95% plus fathers in the home. There weren't keys because there were no locks on doors. The community kind of policed itself to a large extent. And that was required. In fact, some of the black high schools, so to speak, the black high schools in Philadelphia had better test results than the so-called white high schools. Because there was a sense in black families, you've got to achieve. You've got to work. You have to become literate. You have to understand the English language. You have to read. You have to understand what you're reading. So you said, before we get to this other part of the Gallup poll, that in that climate, when I would assume, because of Democratic policies, especially in the South, that is the Jim Crow laws created by the Democrats to hold down black folks, that at that point, with all that discrimination taking place in the 30s, 40s, and 50s against black Americans, 70%. were literate. And today that number is 19%. That's exactly right.
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Speaker 3: Wow. It's shocking. It's shocking.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess you might say, how do we change it? But you wanted, but let's circle back on that one and talk about how this isn't red and blue Democrat and Republican. These are Americans are unhappy. Explain the results of the Gallup poll.
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Speaker 3: Right, it's really interesting. There is just a slight.
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Speaker 9: Increase in the number of Democrats, but they're all around a third or less of people by party that agree that our schools are really terrible, in terrible shape. And only 8% of US adults are completely satisfied.
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Speaker 3: I was trying to figure out if.
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Speaker 9: That would be the teachers and administrators themselves, but We had a story recently about a teacher who was on Facebook crying because he was teaching a junior, a class of juniors in his high school, and they couldn't read a four sentence paragraph. And he was just devastated that he had students that would be graduating in a year that couldn't read. So I think the The United States adults are becoming very aware that our government schools are in serious decline, and we can't let that continue.
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Speaker 1: Melanie, is that the video was an African-American male about 45, 50 years old that had glasses on? I watched this one, and he was literally in tears during a recess that he had black boys. He would ask them to read a paragraph from a novel, and they didn't understand the words. Lack of phonics, I would imagine. In my younger days, the Sisters of Charity at St. Xavier Grade School in Cincinnati, Ohio, required that we understand English language through phonics. You break it down by syllables, by vowels, and by consonants, by long and by short, and that's how you can read. That's not done anymore. But this black teacher was saying, we're about to graduate these kids. So one might ask, my producer Tony Bender asks, how do you graduate from high school if you can't read? How do you pass?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's a travesty.
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Speaker 9: The schools are measured by their graduation rates.
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Speaker 3: And so they pass students along.
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Speaker 9: You know, some states, Michigan is one of them, was looking at what they call third grade accountability. And they want to fail third graders who can't read at grade level.
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Speaker 3: And it kind of makes me angry.
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Speaker 9: Because third grade is a pivotal point. But it's not the children's fault, if you're punishing children. And if the adults haven't figured out how to teach a child to read, In K, one, two, three, that's four years. I don't know what they're going to do with them in one more year. And the system is broken. Like you said, phonics is critical. And a lot of states are picking up this new program. I say that in quotes, science of reading, which guess what? Reintroduces phonics. And guess what? Most of our teachers that are in teaching in school today are in fact, do not know how to use phonics to teach children to read. We put that, we formalized that through Common Core back in like 2013, 2014.
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Speaker 3: People think we made Common Core go away. We did not. We did not.
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Speaker 9: We put, just cemented in bad reading education way back then. And so our universities that graduate teachers do not know how to teach children to read.
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Speaker 3: So you have failure in every.
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Speaker 9: Level of the education system that ends up with children who can't read, a population of people who can't read.
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Speaker 1: You know, Melanie, you learn to read and then you read to learn. How do you tackle any academic discipline if you can't read? How does that read a book on geology or geography? Talk about English literature. Talk about African-American studies. Talk about women, whatever the liberal program it might be. If you can't read the book, if you can't read online, how do you pass? And how do you, if you haven't done it by the age of nine or 10, it won't be done. And so social promotion becomes the key to keep your numbers up. Many urban school districts are proud of saying 85% of our students graduate. Graduate to what? And until the teachers themselves and the parents demand it, nothing's going to change. Now, one other thing in your study here, which I think is interesting, overall, quote, 8% of U.S. adults are completely satisfied and 24% somewhat satisfied the quality of education, which means anywhere between 10% to Anywhere between 90% to 70% of U.S. adults are not happy, but there's no sense of change. The teachers' unions in the urban areas and suburban areas will not permit change because the teachers themselves are victims of the same system they're now teaching. If a teacher's 30, 35, 40 years old and wasn't taught how to read through phonetics, which is understanding and breaking down syllables and vowels and consonants, and dangling participles, all those things come back to me from Sister Monica Ann, who drilled in diagramming sentences with adjectives and adverbs. And what are the differences? My mind is now alive with Sister Monica Ann up at the chalkboard and me going up to identify an adverb, a dangling participle, an objective noun, a subjective noun, and an active verb and a passive verb. I know all that stuff. Here I am, an old guy, and I still can do it. How come teachers don't know how to teach reading? Is it because they can't read themselves? Is that the problem? They got me pissed off now.
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Speaker 9: Well, I certainly think that's relevant. If you go back to the reason it was illegal to teach slaves to read, it's because the slave owners wanted to control them. So one could argue that there's somebody in our country that's designing the education system on purpose so that people can't learn, they can't succeed, and they depend on government, and they're easier to control. It's very hard to understand how we could let the system.
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Speaker 3: Become as terrible as it is.
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Speaker 9: But I will tell you, if parents pull their kids out to homeschool or work in a co-op of homeschooled families together, there are resources online just exactly what you're talking about, how to use phonics to teach kids to read.
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Speaker 3: And it is so easy.
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Speaker 9: That's why homeschool parents are so successful.
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Speaker 3: And the key is.
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Speaker 9: If you teach your children to read and do basic math, then you can open the world to them of learning and they can grow and learn everything that anybody would have taught them in the government school.
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Speaker 3: But first they got to learn how to read.
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Speaker 1: Well, you put your finger on the problem. It's called control. If in the, in the ugly environment, of racial discrimination in the first part of this century and the last part of the last century, if that ugly circumstance resulted in something like 70% of black boys able to read and write, then you destroy that system and create a different system of the teachers' unions, government schools, and that number is now 19%. I'll give you another factoid. The chronic absentee rates in CPS, Cincinnati Public Schools, for black boys is 71%. 71% don't show up. And how do you learn if you don't show up? How do you learn if you don't attend? And so the whole system is set up to have control of these students, to give them a diploma when they're 17 or 18 years old that they can't read unprepared for the 21st century jobs. And what needs to happen, we need to have blue collar jobs being taught in the high schools so that you don't graduate with a worthless diploma, but rather you have a specific, there's 5 million jobs in America right now, generally blue collar jobs that are not filled because millions of Americans, boys and girls, men and women refuse to work. So the issue is control. And right now the democratic party has complete control of the public education system. I don't think in the top 30 cities in America, there's any Republican or conservative in charge of any public school. And so the system exists now to have teacher salaries go up, to play a game of whack-a-mole. We've got a problem here. Deal with it. And they don't measure their success by having students that can read. Whenever I see some of these things that Jesse Waters, et cetera, when Johnny goes in and asks somebody to read a paragraph, that you have adults who cannot read and don't understand what they're doing. And we have to stop what we're doing. We have a minute remaining. Melanie Curtis of USPIE, Parents Involved in Education. Give me the solution of your group to solve this problem. About a minute remaining.
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Speaker 9: Well, as I say, we wrote a report that's available at USPIE.org called Our Government School is Redeemable. Our conclusion is no, not in the short term, but with a lot of political will, we could fix them. We have very specific recommendations for at the federal level, at the.
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Speaker 3: State level, at the local level.
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Speaker 9: At the parental level, what everybody could do if they were really committed to improving education. But bottom line, in the short term, the only way to improve things.
01:13:18
Speaker 3: Is for parents to pull their kids out.
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Speaker 9: And find other alternatives, whether it's a private school, don't take government money, private school, homeschool, where you can make sure your kids learn how to read. And that's the only way we're going to fix this.
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Speaker 1: If something like... 70% of black kids come out of high school incapable of reading. They've sentenced themselves by their behavior, by the system's behavior, by their parents' behavior to a less than a quality of life. And there's not a lot of circumstances available for individuals who are 25 years old that are illiterate. We got to run, but Melanie, your website, USPIE.org. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Melanie, you're a great American. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, Bill.
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Speaker 1: God bless you. Let's continue with more. Control, control, control. Bill Cunningham, The Grand American, live with you every Sunday night. Those of us who care about the long-term future of our cities, mainly that are in collapse, have got to listen to people like Melody Curtis of U.S. D.I.E., and large cities controlled by the teacher's union is nothing more than high-priced daycare. It's not educating anyone. When the great majority of kids graduating from Chicago public schools or New York or LA can't read and write or are functionally illiterate, that's a drain on our society. It's not fair to them. And so it is hoped at some point that those in high-crime urban areas will demand that their Democratic politicians deliver on promises they made and make promises they're going to keep moving forward. Let's continue with more. Coming up next will be Dr. Kurt Maselli. He's with DoNoHarm.org. It is a group of physicians who study whether or not public policy is actually based upon facts and law as opposed to predilections. And he's got particularly nasty things to say about those in children's hospitals all over the country and doctors who are now being sued for for transforming and changing the sexuality and the sex of children. Let's continue with more. Dr. Kurt Maselli coming up. DoNoHarm.org is the website. Bill Cunningham, The Great American, with you and all great Americans every Sunday night.
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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, the great American. Of course, every now and then I look to victories in our fight against creeping DEI and socialism. I look for fights against radical extremism. I look for fights against the American Medical Association or the American Bar Association when it comes to race discrimination. And there's a good one that's happened recently because of the Trump administration. Dr. Kurt Maselli, spelled M-I-C-E-L-I. Dr. Kurt Maselli is the chief medical director of DoNoHarm.org. I have the website up to my right right now. And it appears there's been a little bit of a victory against some New York hospitals. And Dr. Kurt Maselli, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And tell the American people what happened.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Bill, and thanks for having me. So at Mount Sinai, one of the largest health care providers in the state of New York, they've agreed to cease providing these radical procedures on kids, these transition procedures that have caused so many kids harm. So that includes puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries. We have to just remember that these are kids, these are vulnerable kids, 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, who are confused about their gender, a boy who might think that he's a girl or vice versa, and they're going to the doctor, they're going to get help, and instead they're being put on this medical pathway of, again, puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries. And the victory here is that Mount Sinai has agreed in a settlement with the Department of Justice to stop these procedures. And also, perhaps even additionally important, is that they're going to provide money for detransitioners to help detransitioners in terms of their care. And they're going to be dedicating $ 2 million to providing free medical care to those individuals who've been harmed by these consequences from the, quote, unquote, gender-affirming care that was provided.
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Speaker 5: To them as a kid.
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Speaker 10: And Mount Sinai isn't alone. We've seen this settlement agreement happen with Connecticut Children's Hospital just a couple weeks ago. The Cleveland Clinic as well has settled with the Department of Justice in terms of ending these procedures. And so has Texas Children's Hospital. So we're seeing more hospitals sign these agreements with the Department of Justice, stopping these procedures and also agreeing to help detransitioners.
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Speaker 1: You know, in America, some of the best people I know are physicians like yourself, good people. How is it possible? That over the last few years, metastasizing with the Biden administration, how is it possible that bright, intelligent, caring physicians, doctors like yourself, as part of the AMA, had this regimen? this regime of it's a multibillion dollar business to take vulnerable kids, children and convince them they're on the wrong body? How was it possible this happened?
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Speaker 10: It's truly horrific, and when you look at it, you look at the infiltration of a gender ideology into medicine, and primarily coming from an organization, the World Professional Association of Transgender Health, which has pushed this idea of transitioning kids. And in fact, their recent standard of care that came out just a few years ago, there really are no age limits in terms of these procedures. There's only an age limit on phalloplasty, which is 18, but everything else has no age limit whatsoever. And much as you mentioned, that was actually a product of pressure from the Biden administration at the time to remove those age limits. And that was done so there would be less of an issue in terms of the courtroom and legal challenges that might come as a result of these harmful procedures being done to kids. And that same organization, WPATH, had actually commissioned systematic reviews to be done by Johns Hopkins to help gain more information about what these procedures are. And when they saw the results, those reviews got quashed. And that is just a terrible shame because the reality is that when you look at the science, when you look at systematic reviews, as have been done in England and elsewhere across the globe, what you find is that the evidence just isn't there to support these interventions, particularly on kids.
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Speaker 7: It is.
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Speaker 10: It is weak evidence, and the risks are significant. We see that in terms of the impact on bone health from puberty blockers, the impact on fertility from these same drugs as well, the impact of metabolic symptoms as well as thrombotic disease. I mean, these are significant impacts from hormones and the like. And then the surgeries, I mean, the significant complications that come from surgeries, but more so just the removal of healthy body parts. You know, what these kids need is they need good, competent, caring psychiatric care to help them through their confusion and not put them on this medical path. And unfortunately, so many of the medical societies within the United States have just subscribed to this WPATH philosophy and pushed this ideology. It's only been the American Society of Plastic Surgeons that has had the courage and the strength to stand up. And, you know, they released a statement back in February very clearly noting that the evidence just isn't there for these procedures. And that's been so important. And they've also emphasized the ethics. that as physicians we have professional ethics, and one key principle there is to do no harm. So there's a lot of work to be done, but we do see encouragement when we see an organization like the American Society of Plastic Surgeons recognize that these procedures can't be done in those less than 19 by any means, and recognizing that the data just isn't there, and we as physicians need to hold on to our professional ethics and do what's right for these kids.
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Speaker 1: I had a guest on a week or two ago that in California schools, children are asked, preschool, six-year-olds, seven-year-olds, your preferred gender. If you do not mark, this is six-year-old, something like over half the class indicated they were in the wrong body. And it's Sacramento. It's absurd. How does a six- or seven-year-old, and I've had grandchildren, precious grandchildren, How can you allow a six or seven-year-old to begin a transition? And where are the parents? Where's the school board? In fact, if you don't recognize this, somehow you're the problem. I look around, I watch Chloe Cole testify, and I've listened to others testify about their bodies have been wrecked because of the medical profession. So if you're a six, seven, eight, nine, 12-year-old, 13-year-old, and let's say you're a boy and And you play with dolls and you like to wear dresses. You're on the road to having a sex change operation. And no one's going to say no if the child says, it's okay with me, mommy. If mom and dad say it's okay. If the doctors say it's okay. If the school board at school says, well, I guess we have to do it. And they go to a children's hospital and they say, well, it's okay. Who's going to say no?
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Speaker 10: We need to listen to the voice of the detransitioners. They have a powerful story to tell. And much as you mentioned, clearly, Cole and others, when you hear those stories of the harm that came to them, it's just it's horrifying, especially as a physician. I recall going to detransitioner awareness day in March. And it's painful to hear these accounts of what children, children have been through and from the medical system, a system that's supposed to help them provide care. And instead, it's sort of it is mutilated and hurt and really inflicted tremendous pain and suffering. That's not what medicine is supposed to be about. You know, I think back to what Ronald Reagan said when he was addressing the College of Physicians of Philadelphia. He reminded us that medicine is a moral profession. And we have to remember that. We have to remember that our morality is absolutely essential into our profession, our professional ethics. And again, the detransitioners remind us of just the horror that's been caused and the need for us to stop these procedures in the first place. And, you know, for schools to be doing these sort of secret transitions and such behind parents' backs, I mean, this is completely wrong. We have to recognize the importance of parents in raising their child and raising them appropriately. And, you know, one of the things that we saw at Do No Harm was we looked at electronic health records, and what we found some of our members telling us was that once the child reached the age of 12 or 13, all of a sudden the parent was completely locked out of the child's electronic health record. And so having no clue necessarily what's going on in the exam room per se. And again, that's just another example of how we are sort of abandoning our kids as opposed to helping them and supporting them through a society where there is tremendous confusion. There's social media that has all sorts of unfortunate harms and dangers on it. We need our parents to be involved as parents to help and support their child. to not face these dangers. And frankly, we need a medical system that also makes sure that these kids are kept safe. And we're seeing progress, because you're right, many, many people, doctors, nurses, are excellent clinicians. They want the best, obviously, for the individuals that they're supporting. And they clearly disagree with where medicine has gone. And frankly, as we hear their voice grow louder, I think we see more and more light and hope within our country and within medicine that we're going to do the right thing for these kids. We're going to protect them. We're going to make sure that we speak truth in terms of their biological sex and that we help them through difficult times. And we provide the appropriate psychiatric and behavioral health interventions. And again, not this medicalized pathway.
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Speaker 1: Well, what do you do? I think California and Massachusetts, New York State are lost. They're gone. There's no recovery for a long time when it comes to our schools. AMA, ABA, American Bar Association have all gone woke. There's changes now. I look on your website. I know with the ABA that they've been practicing racism for a long time. They simply changed the object of their racism. Same thing with the American Medical Association. They've gone woke and they changed the object of who Who can you discriminate against? You can't be merit-based. You have to be based upon about sex. You have to be based upon race or religion or whatever it might be. What does an overwhelmed parent do when a 10, 11, 12-year-old who has been a boy playing with dolls or a girl who wants to play with snakes and has on attributes of the other sex? By the way, there's not six to 15 genders or sexes. There's two. But what does an overwhelmed parent do when all of society in which she or he is in is telling them to turn your child over to the woke medical profession? What should a parent do?
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Speaker 10: I think parents really need to be mindful and recognize that there are medical societies that are saying different things outside of this woke culture that are responding and pushing back against it and to recognize that there are providers who are out there. But it is important for parents to be aware and to be mindful and to understand what's going on and to really make sure that the provider there is operating in the best interest, obviously, of their child. I think the dangers, again, of social media and of all the platforms that are out there are truly problematic. But we have to recognize that there is truth, and we have to look at what that truth is. And when a doctor may say something questionable, we need to question back. I think, unfortunately, the deference to the White Code in this situation has been extraordinarily detrimental. And frankly, in the sense of professionals telling parents that, would you rather have a dead son or a living daughter? And we know that is a lie. We know that is not true. Yes, many of these children may struggle with other psychiatric symptoms, depression, anxiety, and autism, perhaps. And we need to make sure they get the help for those conditions, for those troubles that they're going through. We don't need to be sort of pushing this propaganda on kids. And again, we need to do what's right by them. And so, you know, that's part of the work that we're aiming to do at Do No Harm is to push back against this, to engage common sense physicians, to get back involved with medical societies, with organizations, to effectively, again, speak that truth and to change the ways of these societies. Because frankly, you know, when we look at the American Medical Association, it really represents less than, Less than 20% of the doctors out there. And in fact, when the American Medical Association looks at its numbers, it's counting medical students and resident physicians in there who aren't independently practicing. And so it's even less of the average practicing physician who's out there. And so, in fact, these organizations really represent a minority of physicians. And when we at Do No Harm had done some polling of physicians in Florida, what we found is that the physicians in Florida were very much in line with the common sense beliefs of Americans, recognizing that these puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones are wrong and dangerous for kids. And in the same sense on the DEI issue, recognizing that we need to put merit first and we need to make sure that excellence and merit are first and foremost. And so the ordinary physician is very much on board with these common sense values that we have as Americans. I think it's important for those of us to reengage and to effectively push back against the madness in our society and to use the evidence and the data that we have. Because again, certainly on this issue of these gender procedures on kids, There's lots of data out there that, again, shows that the evidence of benefit for such medical interventions is just not there. And the risks are significant. And I think we need to keep going, keep pointing that out, pushing back. And I think we'll see more societies like the American Society of Plastic Surgeons that come to sensible terms and recognize the harms of these interventions and push back against it. So I remain optimistic, even though I I agree with the American Medical Association and so many other societies out there. It's hard sometimes to see the light and academic medicine is sort of holding tight to this power and this unfortunate culture. But again, I also see and we hear from members all the time at Do No Harm. that there's so many common-sense physicians out there who recognize the dangers, and they know what needs to be done, and we need to encourage them and to give them that hope and that energy to take those organizations back and to move medicine where it should be, focused on quality and excellence.
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Speaker 1: Lastly, I have a posting on your website. About OBGYN, I would assume that a human being's sex is determined very close to conception. Is that correct? I don't know if it's a minute, a day, an hour. How close to conception is sex determined?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, we can look at sex, whether it's from a genetic standpoint of chromosomes, or we can certainly, you know, look at it in terms of the biological definition in terms of the gamete that one produces and such. So, you know, we really know from that first moment what those chromosomes are and how the body will respond at the moment of conception.
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Speaker 1: That's fact. That isn't ideology. That's biology. You're either XX or XY. And up to this point, it was treated of like a mental... Illness, I'm not sure illness might be too strong a word because so many kids in so many areas of life because of social media determines that I want to be special. When about half the kids in the first grade in California public schools identify as something different than what they are, that is an educational system in complete collapse. One thing I've always been concerned about is how could a surgeon, a plastic surgeon or an OBGYN for years at a children's hospital, participate in this knowing it's a lie? Inside, do docs like you know it's a lie? And I don't understand how a doctor can do an abortion. I don't understand how that can happen, but it does. But getting back to my first point, do docs behind their eyeballs know the truth and they're doing this for money?
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Speaker 10: I think, as you saw in that wolves in white coat report that HHS released a week or two ago, there's a significant motive in terms of the profit, but there's also the ideological component. I think that, again, there's a deference oftentimes within medicine because medicine has grown more complex as we learn more and can do more and such. And so you tend to defer to the experts. And in this case, unfortunately, the experts in gender medicine have taken their cues from this WPATH organization and they've pushed this ideology. And I think we as physicians need to recognize that, okay, when the experts are not speaking to the evidence that we see in terms of the data, we need to question them and recognize that there's something wrong here. And so we need to really stop in terms of that deference and to respond in a logical way.
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Speaker 2: Because, again, you know, we are physicians.
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Speaker 5: We're trained.
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Speaker 10: We can read the literature. We need to do those things, to look at the information, look at the data, and then also, again, look at the ethics behind it, which is so important. And I think to your other point in terms of the school system and such, you know, there is this idea of the social contagion. And I think that's one of the things that we've seen here with this gender ideology, particularly in young adolescent girls. Typically, gender identity disorder, as it was previously called, was often seen in boys. Most recently, in the past 10 years, what we've seen is we've seen adolescent girls who've been the primary driver of having these thoughts of wanting to change their sex and the like. And that often is within this rapid onset of this social contagion that social media has unfortunately fed in an extraordinarily negative way. So I think we need to recognize those thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Those aspects.
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Speaker 10: And we need to address them appropriately. And we need to recognize that there's a danger there. And we need to be, obviously, extraordinarily mindful of it. And we need, as parents, to appropriately make sure that our kids are safe and protected, that these social media sites can be extraordinarily harmful to them and have these irreversible consequences that they end up on these pathways.
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Speaker 7: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Kurt Maselli, got to run donoharm.org, your XX or your XY, and you cannot change biology, those are facts.
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Speaker 6: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Masella, you're a great American, and thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Doc.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Bill. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Let's continue with more. Go to the website. I have it up right now, donoharm.org, and the truth will set you free. You may want to change, however, your chromosomes, but it's not possible. You are what you are, and accept it from God Almighty. Bill Cunningham, The Grand American, live with you every Sunday night. One of the best... One of the best things happening, according to Dr. Kurt Nasselli, is that doctors are now being sued and hospitals, children's hospitals are being sued. And the Trump administration is now getting agreements of big time colleges, universities and others to quit mutilating the body of children that have mental problems.
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Speaker 5: And are confused.
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Speaker 1: Let's continue with more. Still coming in with you every Sunday. Billy Cunningham, The Great American. Of course, there's a great debate happening all over the country about the value, economically, the value of illegal immigration into America. The other day, I watched the FBI Director, Kash Patel, talk about the number of criminals they've deported. And the definition of criminal, I guess, changes with political party. And he points out that many times a person has been charged illegally, here illegally, with serious crime. They've not been convicted yet. but they're awaiting trial, and you want them deported or not. And he says, let's deport as many as we can, and let's try to delay deportation of illegal migrant criminals, which is costing the system billions of dollars. We're talking millions of these individuals. Generally, the immigrant population are young, unattached males, poorly educated, and then away we go. Well, my friend John Lott, who spent many years in the Justice Department with Donald Trump's first term, As an article up in the New York Post a couple days ago, left's push to delay deporting illegal migrant criminals imposes huge costs on taxpayers. I read the column, John Lott, and it's amazing. Why would somebody keep these individuals in the country? What's to be gained? But how much money are we talking about? And what are the Democrats, what are they doing?
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Speaker 11: Oh, we're talking about probably hundreds of billions of dollars in total. But, you know, it's, You hear these debates about how many people have a criminal record. So the Department of Homeland Security will say that 70% of illegal aliens have a criminal record being defined as either convicted of a crime or they've been charged with a crime. And then you have places like Cato and the Brennan Center, which will go and say, well, it's only 35%. And but they're only counting if you've been convicted. I mean, you've been involved in the criminal justice process. You know that people's rap sheets include arrests that are there and whether they've been charged with crimes in the past. And the thing is, they seem to want to claim that they only want to deport people once they've been convicted.
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Speaker 1: But you know this, in the.
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Speaker 11: Federal system, about 93% of those who are charged end up being convicted in Virginia, which is what I was looking at for this piece. About 91% of those individuals who are charged with crimes end up being convicted. But going through the legal process to go from being charged to being convicted is extremely costly, right? In the piece, I gave an example. There's a guy who had just been charged with being a drug dealer to high school students who were selling fentanyl. A couple of the kids that he had sold fentanyl to had overdosed and had almost died. They'd only lived because they were able to get Narcan to them quickly enough. If you go through kind of the cost for a public defender and for the prosecutor and the court costs and the cost of detaining him in jail while you're going through the process there, you're talking about, assuming he does a plea bargain, you're probably talking about something that's about $ 150, 000. If he fights it and you have to go through trial and you have him in jail and prison, you're probably talking about something that's gonna roughly be over $ 600, 000 for felony, violent felonies. The cost of the legal system is much higher for aggravated assault or robbery. You may be talking about something that could be $ 900, 000 or a million dollars for something like rape. You may be talking about something that's going to be about $ 1. 8 million to $ 2 million.
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Speaker 5: For murder, you.
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Speaker 11: May be talking about $ 2 to $ 3 million. You know how long and difficult murder trials are.
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Speaker 6: And so.
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Speaker 11: When you consider the fact that you've had a couple hundred thousand illegal aliens who have been charged and they've been arrested only based on charges that they've been facing. You're talking about large amounts of money. Even if you just assume everybody just had these drug offenses and not the more serious violent cases.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about, even.
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Speaker 11: If all of them agreed to a plea bargain, you're talking about something that's about $ 37 billion. And if they went to trial, you're probably talking about total costs that are near $ 150 billion. And of course, if you had, you know, you throw in murder and rape and other crimes, obviously it would be tremendously more.
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Speaker 1: You know, John, I did a lot of federal criminal defense work. And if I had a client out on bond and the great majority of these illegals who are here illegally to begin with are out on bond, you'd be stupid to take a plea deal or you'd be stupid not to want to take it to trial because trials, at least in the Southern District of New York, might take two to four years. In the Southern District of Ohio, it's about one year to 18 months. In Texas, it's two years. And so if you have a client from Nicaragua who's here on drug charges and he makes bond, and the system doesn't allow deportation of him back to his home country without a conviction, you'd be stupid. And then once the appeal, many times I was involved in federal bank robberies and things of that character. The trial itself will be two to four weeks. And then if you had a jury verdict and then you continue bond pending appeal, you're talking maybe three to five years before you exhaust all your appellate process. Then start all over again with some other claim. And if you don't deport these criminals in the beginning. You're talking about years and years of them out costing, you say, $ 100 billion. I think that's a low estimate. So why would the Democrats, why would liberals like from the Brennan Center say that's okay with them? It's illegal, it's criminal to come into the country illegally. and they're get rid of them and save the system well what's look on the other side if you were john lot the liberal john lot i'm not sure there's ever one if you were liberal why would you say this is okay with you it's going to cost the taxpayer these kinds of funds and you know the games are being played i think 93 is a low estimate i think in most most federal districts the the conviction rate's above 98%. And then you might have a hung jury. You might have some jurors saying, well, and then you start all over again. So why would the Democrats want this system?
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Speaker 11: Well, you know, to be honest, I'm not even sure that they actually want to deport them even when they've been convicted of a crime. You just had this case in New York where the Supreme Court had granted certs There was an illegal alien who had a violent criminal history of aggravated assault. What happened was he wanted to be released on bail. And a Democratic judge basically forced the Trump administration to release him. And the Trump administration appealed it up to the Supreme Court. But before the Supreme Court could actually hear oral arguments, cuz they granted certain that Kathy Hochul pardoned this violent criminal. So that now he has to be released. And so yeah, but I mean, the Trump administration said, look, it was hard catching this guy to begin with. We had to spend a lot of resources to catch him. It's not like he came in voluntarily on this. He has a violent criminal history. We wanna hold him until we're able to go and deport him.
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Speaker 5: We don't wanna release him because then we're.
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Speaker 11: Gonna have to go and catch him all over again. Kathy Hochul, the governor in New York, wanted to keep the guy in the country so badly that she pardoned him.
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 11: And removed his criminal record so that the Supreme Court can't hear the case. But look, places like the Cato Institute- They have argued vociferously that the Trump administration shouldn't try to withhold any federal funds from those jurisdictions that are refusing to turn over convicted violent criminals to ICE. You know, they don't even want to make it so that the Trump administration can go and deport people who have been already convicted in state courts of violent crimes.
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Speaker 2: Amazing.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is, John Lott, Sometimes you and I sit here demoralized thinking, okay, this is bad. Imagine, and it's going to happen maybe in 28, maybe in 2032, the Democrats, Kamala Harris, Department of Justice under people like Loretta Lynch, et cetera, they have a completely different philosophy that you just expressed about accountability for criminal acts. And when that day comes, when the House, the Senate, and the presidency is controlled by liberal Democrats and I can see amnesty for every illegal here. I can see automatic register to vote. I can see mail-in balloting from 20 million illegals. I can see an empty criminal justice system because of pardon and commutation of sentences. And God forbid if a member of the DSA takes over, like Talarico in Texas and that philosophy, or Dr. Abdul. Imagine America with those people in charge. What do we look like?
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Speaker 11: Well, recently the House of Representatives voted on a resolution whether or not to fund ICE. And you had a majority of the Democrats in the House support either abolishing ICE or you had 10 who refused to vote on the issue, abstained from voting. But it's not just a few members of the House who feel that way. You go through the different Democratic Senate candidates from Jackson and Maine to LCA in Michigan to tell Rico and Texas who have said in the past that they think that you can't reform ice, that it just has to be abolished. If you abolish ice, how are you going to go and catch these guys? You don't even want to try to catch them to deport them.
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Speaker 1: Well, they won't. And that means, I don't know what that means for, I talk about children or grandchildren, John Lott, but we're not really. It could happen in the next three to five years. And that's why the elections in November are critical to send a message that this cannot stay. Because when individuals, and I read from your column, quote, a charge is not a conviction, says Lauren Brooke Eisen, Brennan's senior director for justice. She said people are innocent until proven guilty, quote-unquote. But they're not really– it might be proven guilty, but the appellate process can be three to five years. And since they're here illegally anyway– Why not deport them and save the money of a trial? And then the same thing like in Michigan, Detroit, when you have sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, that no one's looking for these individuals that ruins the lives of the voters who put the Governor Hochul in charge in the first place. That the voters themselves, I got a text here from someone whose opinion I respect, and it says here, let them live with it. In other words, you voted for these individuals imposing this upon you, Don't complain about it. But the problem is these criminals don't stay in one zip code. They move around the country and rape and kill women all over the country. and like in south lake and riley etc it's this tip of the iceberg or the student a student in chicago that was killed it's like no big deal and if and the point is that the voters don't care who put these liberals in charge of their lives why should we care how would you answer that one.
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Speaker 11: Right Look, the Democrats claim that they care about the illegal aliens. Well, one thing I know you know is that criminals tend to commit crimes against people who are like themselves. 90% of blacks who are murdered are murdered by other blacks. About 85% of Hispanics who are murdered are murdered by other Hispanics.
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Speaker 1: And illegals.
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Speaker 11: tend to disproportionately commit crime against other illegals. And the open borders advocates will quickly say that illegals are reticent to go to the police when they've been victims of crimes. So, I mean, we know that illegals commit crimes at very high rates compared to the general population. Since we're talking about New York, In New York, at the end of last year, it was clear that at least 14% of those who were incarcerated in the state at that time were illegal aliens. But that's a big underestimate for multiple reasons. One is the fact that you have a situation where people can often be picked up When they're charged with a crime so they never make it into the prison population. Or when they're convicted so they never make it into the prison population. You also have situations where New York was refusing to cooperate with ICE in terms of identifying whether people in the system were illegals or not. Those are just a couple of the reasons why even that 14% is an underestimate. But still, even that low estimate is three and a half times higher than the highest rate that's been estimated for the share of the general population that's illegal. Way disproportionately going and committing crimes.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. And, you know, I'm looking at some facts. You're a statistician, a great stat. You keep the facts, John Lott. There's about 5000 black women killed every year by black men. However, the Democratic Party, representing mainly black women, are worried about white supremacists and lynchings in the South, which don't happen. I'm sure everything happens at some point. But if 5,000 black men are killing 5,000 black women every year, you think black women, especially lawmakers, would be concerned about keeping criminals locked up because they're the ones being criminalized by this behavior, but they ignore it.
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Speaker 11: I saw a survey recently in Chicago asking people in Chicago whether they support Trump federalizing law enforcement in Chicago like he had done in D.C.
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Speaker 1: And Memphis.
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Speaker 11: Hispanics and blacks were strongly in favor of Trump doing that. I mean, they understand if you want to make it riskier for criminals to commit crime, you're going to get less crime.
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Speaker 3: The people that.
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Speaker 11: Were overwhelmingly against in favor or against Trump doing it were basically whites and white liberal Democrats. You know, like almost 90% of them were against it. But they're not the ones who are the likely victims of crime.
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Speaker 1: No. Brandon Johnson, the mayor, just announced in Chicago he's going to run for re-election. And I can't imagine a more dangerous place to be for a black female than the city of Chicago. Yet that same black female will vote overwhelmingly for Brandon Johnson to keep him the mayor. It's almost a degree of self-loathing. John, what's your website? People can get more information. It's a beautiful crime research dot org. Is that correct? That's right.
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Speaker 11: Crime research dot org.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
01:52:19
Speaker 1: We get the government we deserve. And at times that concerns me. John Lott, you're a great American. Thank you. Likewise.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. There you go. Can you tell me why that's the case? Why do you keep voting for individuals having policies you fundamentally oppose? That's the definition of stupidity. Bill Cunningham, The Great American, live with you every Sunday night. Hi, Billy Cunningham, The Great American. Thanks for listening tonight. And I especially noted my earlier guest a couple hours ago, Steve Gorham. talking about the fear tactics used by the radical left and others to shut down so-called data centers, because right now there needs to be control of the data centers properly. And the president, Donald Trump, not Joe Biden, mentally incompetent, or Kamala Harris, but the president in March. has had an agreement called the Ratepayer Protection Pledge in which the developers of large data centers have agreed in writing that new data centers will not be negative for the community relative to utilities. They have to have their own energy required as part of building the data center. Does that make sense to you? Of course it does. Also, it's creating literally millions and millions of good-playing middle-class jobs all over the country. And because modular nukes and other new technologies mean there's not any cost to the water system. Many parts of our great country, like Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, we have more water than we know what to do with. Texas is a little bit different. And the red states are proceeding nicely, and the blue states are demagoguing the issue, which is awful. Once again, thanks for listening tonight. We'll see what happens with the war in Iran in the weeks that lie ahead. Bill Cunningham, The Great American, with you and all great Americans every Sunday night.