Is Ghostbusters: Answer the Call That Bad? Well.. | 2 Middle Aged Geeks on Ghostbusters (2016)

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You're not allowed to wander away from the computer, and
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like we're just getting ready to record, and Paul is like,
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I have to go change my shirt real quick, and
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he walked away for like fifteen minutes. So not just like, hey,
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hold up, I'll be right there, like nothing like that. No,
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this fool walks away for fifteen minutes and left me
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to my own devices on the internet, which is a
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mistake for everybody involved, and ordered a bunch of new movies.
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So thanks a lot, you asshole.
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Which means like I'm worn to watch out on your
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movies anywhere.
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So you're really just saying that you did this to
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benefit yourself, Yes, yes, potentially. Okay, well that's nice. That
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must be great for you. I'm so thrilled that you're
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so happy with yourself. But you know what, man, I
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got some bangers, but I think there was something much
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more important that happened this morning. And I'm glad that
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this is happening on one of the weeks that we're
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actually here, like not behind the Patreon wall, which would
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make it weird, but doctor who is officially coming back.
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This shirt stuff, Yeah, I love it sans Disney, which
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is not like a huge shock. We all kind of
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knew that that was pretty much going to go that way.
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It had been rumored for a while, and frankly speaking,
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I don't think that Disney as a company understood the
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IP and really held onto it in any regard that
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mat huho shocker, Yeah, really like.
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Not understanding I at this point, we'll get into it.
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I mean, actually that kind of goes to this entire
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movie while we talk about it, But I digress. The
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truth of the matter is is like, I'm happy Doctor
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Who's coming back. I don't love that it's not till
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next Christmas. I think that's such a fucking waste of
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a year and a half of time off of a
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cliffhanger that like, at least now we know for sure
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that Russell T. Davis is coming back to write it,
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which means that we will get like a real follow
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up to his ending of season two, and we're getting
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a new season. They said we'd find out more about
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that in due time. It just sucks because it feels
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like we waited for so long for an answer that
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we kind of knew was coming, only also to get
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hit with like and we still have to wait another year.
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I will say this, I think. Honestly speaking, I'm sharing
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what you're saying. At the same time, I'm actually happy
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because like we have like this Christmas Special next year.
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That's the earliest I could ever think it could possibly
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be ready because we were in this limbo anyway, We're like, well,
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you gotta figure out the limbo, then we gotta figure
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out what we're doing.
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Then we're gonna have to shoot.
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Then we're not I actually wasn't expecting anything until twenties
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o twenty twenty seven at the earliest. Honestly already, So
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getting on Christmas Special at the end of next year,
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I think it's a great way to bridge that. That's
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the best, the best of the possibilities out we're out
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there at this point. To be really honest with you,
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I'm actually surprised we got this news. I think I
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have a feeling that the BBC or bad Will for
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whoever the combination of went to Disney and said, all right,
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Simon showed it off the pot, we had your twenty
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six episodes or whatever it is. I think Disney was
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willing to wait it out for to see what happens
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with the spinoff, which I don't know why that would
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matter because I can't see the spinoff getting like massive
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loosive numbers and one that Disney would change its mind.
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But I think it's kind of one of those things
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where like, all right, should I get off the pot time?
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And she's like, well, all right, fine, we'll just finish up.
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And that's when the news came out also that it
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would war the Seas, not being it's gonna be out
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in December in the UK and the Britain BBC and
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it's gonna be in Deceit plus in February like two
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months later. The hell is that, I don't get it.
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I know what is the garbage, but the idea is
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all right, enough, the pot Disney's out. Good, Now we
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can move forward and start figuring out what's gonna go.
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On with you on that. Don't get me wrong, I
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just wish Disney had been more upfront than deciding now
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I agree.
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I agree, but I actually expected them to be even worse.
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I expected them to wait till I expected out to
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hear anything ntil after War in Land and say, because
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I was like, why would they announce this now? And
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basically you're making or Land and see a complete like
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dead duck, like flame duck situation. But at the same time,
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you know it, it's not bad for us. It's not
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bad for us now because Russell Tjvi's is staying on board,
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so it's not like it's a lame duck for us.
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It's a lame duck for Disney, so they don't care
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about anymore.
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But the storyline whoever that is going on in there,
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can still be picked up now when Russell TJVI is
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in BBC come back and figure out what they're doing
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with their next part or whatever they're doing. If it's
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just BBC, it's just BBC whoever. Either way, the storyline
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is not a lame duck, and that's a good situation
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for us.
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No, it is. It is. I'm just glad we have
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any action information at this point, especially like this came
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directly from like the Doctor who website on top of it,
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which was like great, They one hundred percent dropped it
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this morning, like first thing in the morning so that
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it would lead the news cycle, which was smart and great.
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I'm glad to hear that, Like you know, say what
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you will about Russell T. Davies and the new era,
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Like i am glad that he's coming back to at
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least do the Christmas special. It sounds like he's probably
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running the next season two. We just don't know yet. Yeah,
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that's like really said, but I'm glad that we're getting
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something anything. I mean, thank god that I like the
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audios and stuff, because those are going great, But like
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for the show proper at this point, like on television,
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I'm glad that we're finally getting any answers because it
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was like, it wasn't that long ago that we were
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over the moon that it was going to Disney and
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gonna be on Disney Plus and like gonna estra in
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this entire new era of thing, only for it to
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like fall on its face because Disney didn't know how
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to handle the property, in how to sell it, and
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they didn't bring over the entire catalog, so like you
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have the sixtieth and on and only that. And now
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that's the question is does that stay on Disney Plus.
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Well, I don't know, that's not a very interesting question.
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I'm enter the BBC, but even like I almost say,
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I almost think that they should just keep it on
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Disney Plus because I think it's gonna cost Disney's not
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going to give it to them for free, which obviously
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I get that's the business thing, but like maybe see
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spend your money on the future, not the pass at
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this point. If you do anything with the pass, just
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make sure you get the right speck to the rest
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of the eras and stream right. But they might they
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might want to make bad Wilfill put up the money.
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Maybe they'll do it because they want to put it
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all back on the same spot, especially as it is
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now going to be continuation. Obviously the RTD writing, which
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is a big deal. Like you said, I kind of
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gloss over myself. Artid definitively at least coming back to
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the Christmas special most likely beyond that wasn't either way,
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Even if he's not back to go on, he will
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have the time set up, and I think he's a
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good enough writer where I can go, Okay, I have
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this one episode to explain the finale and set up
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the next season.
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I can do that.
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Like, no matter what it is that's selling, that's a
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good good. It's good for us as well. I'm excited
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about that for sure.
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No. One hundred, so you know I'm going to say that, Uh,
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this is good news overall. Still still not thrilled with
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how things went overall, and that's going to be a
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thing that sticks with me for a while. I feel
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really jaded about the entire situation, frankly speaking, but I'm
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going to man, oh, it's a total disaster. And honestly
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so this goes to a bigger conversation that you and
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I have been having over the last week or so in.
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Light events, Jack real Quick and Jack real Quick, I
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just want to say or get into this, and I
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know we're gonna get into the other thing as well.
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I just want to say that it's amazing to juxtapose
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where we were when this was announced that Disney was
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getting Doctor Who. We were like, that is great, that
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is awesome. Headlong in the streaming world, We're going to
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get the entire Disney's got to wait to buy back
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the right, so we obviously there are an HBO Max
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be understood that. Okay, we get that, they'll wait it out.
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We'll get the entirety of Doctor Who as a Doctor
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Who Niverse on Disney Plus. I'm excited Disney Plus for
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years will have the money, will have the budget everything.
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How quickly did that turn?
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Holy Sha, No, it's crazy And the truth of the
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matter is is I think that this is just another
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in a long line of dropped balls by Disney. Over
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the last six years, we've been covering the Marvel movies
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on the Patreon side of things, and we've been talking
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like the MCU specifically, and we've been talking a lot
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about that because we're getting into that era where Disney
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is a lot more involved. And it's not necessarily that
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I think that the movie have been bad, but like
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the TV shows and stuff we've gotten into it a bit,
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is that they're kind of a mess and they drop
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the ball. Then you have this news come out over
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the last week about the Ben Solo movie that Steven
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Soderberg was gonna direct with Adam Driver, and Disney dropped
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the ball on that. And now that you know, the
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internet's been really loud for about a week, I won't
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be surprised when they reverse course, not if when at
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this point, because even like the news has been so
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bad that in the follow ups on like the Playlist,
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they said that Iiger's potential successor basically lost the job
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on after canceling this, So like they have this nasty
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habit of dropping the ball with ips that you could
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even point to the Muppets in like the lack of
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what they've been doing with the Muppets, which is funny
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because you've been watching through all those and you just
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finished that literally last night.
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Actually finished up It's Hot to Mansion this morning, actually.
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Oh this morning, okay, my dad, Yeah.
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I finished.
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I did to watch The Muppets Most Want, which I
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surprisingly I had never seen. I kind of thought I
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had seen it, but I'm watching. I have never watched this.
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I realized I never got it. I never actually had.
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And it was good.
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It was good as twenty eleven is the best one easily.
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I mean, I honestly could. I don't know.
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It's hard to say. I put the original on the
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top dog, but this one's right. It's like a one
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a as far as I've been turned.
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It was that good.
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But then most of wun just kind of like felt
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like exactly what it was. It was modeled a little
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bit after a great Muffat Caper somewhat.
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Yeah, it totally is, and it.
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Basically feels like kind of like it's not as nearly
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as good as the first one. Still cute, still good,
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still delivers overall, but like it just felt like that
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kind of like you know, stepped down unfortunately, but then
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sudden it's like, wow, until that long to get Disney
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hot and Mansion made and the Mansions again cute. So
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I'm about the current voice is fucking disastered disaster.
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The Herbmit voice is not good. He sounds like he's
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been smoking six packs of cigarette today.
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I'm like, who is that?
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Like, if I'm watching the Muppets, I could put on
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the background like I actually was, like I turned my
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head away.
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Is that Kermit?
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Oh yep, that's actually Kermit mother? Okay, whatever, but yeah,
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I digress from that. The Star Wars thing is absolutely
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a disaster to me, and it's kind of funny. It's
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the worm is kind of turning a little bit on
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Kathleen Kennedy now, who has gotten slaughtered the press since like.
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Save for so long.
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By the way, absolutely it wasn't her.
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It was never her.
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She's never her. And there are some still haters out there.
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They're gonna point out things, but that's whatever. The idea
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is that it seems like Disney has taken an active
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role up top to kill things that they thought were
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the way Ben's Adam Driver. If you haven't heard the
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news in you' probably under a rock. But Adam Driver
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let the world know, and Steven sort of burb backed
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him up and commented on it. He had developed a
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movie with Steven Soderberg post episode nine called The Hunt
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for Ben Solo. That was it was a great script
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that you have Scott Burns come in helped finish the script.
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and this was like expensive development. Everybody on lucasfilm was born.
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Kathy Kennedy carried back Dave Filoni. Everybody was on board,
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was excited to love the idea. Not only was this
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all right, they were ready to shoot. They were within
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like days of starting basically just.
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ready to go.
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They just needed the rubber stamp from Disney, and Disney goes.
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Alan Burburan took extra loan to read the script and
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then said no because I don't know how Ben Solo
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is still alive. But you just had a movie. But
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you had somehow Palpatine returned. You were at a franchise
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where Darth Maul was cut in hat and he's back,
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like it's a Space Wizard kids movie and you're gonna
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worry about how does Ben Solo come back to life?
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Like you have an a list director. The best thing
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that everyone will said, the best thing about the sequel trilogy,
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like he was always his role, his acts was considered everybody,
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even people who hate the sequltrillige.
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is the best script he's ever been a part of.
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Everybody I looked at him on board and you're gonna say, no,
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I don't know how he's alive now. Is there more
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than a story. But I'm just a side of thing
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where they just scared of anything SEQUL trilogy related at
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that point. Maybe were they scared of the somehow Palpatine returned. Maybe,
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You have talent, you have the studio on board, let
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them make their artwork and see where the chips lay.
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budget was supposed to be, but Adam Driver had said
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they were taking the budget down or supposed to be
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a lower budget film comparatively. Yeah, and like everything about
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the article maybe so mad, so mad.
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Well, it's so funny too, because like I'm sitting here
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reading all this and going through everything, and one of
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the only things I could think was, guys, this was
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genuinely how you had a chance to like Clone Wars
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this situation.
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Yeah, And it's.
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Even more frustrating because ultimately it seems like the episode
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ten that Daisy Ridley is supposed to be the lead
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of the New Jedi Order movie just cannot get off
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the ground. So why would you not just roll the
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dice on this one that clearly is working?
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Right?
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This had everything ready to go. You are struggling. I mean,
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I know this is back in twenty twenty one, I
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think so they weren't.
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They hadn't hit that.
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Lully yet because Brydeskylecker is twenty nineteen and to twenty nineteen,
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so it wasn't like now where it's like that seven
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years since we've had a movie in the theaters. But
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even so, like this was how do to have something
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is this ready to go?
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And kill it?
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Like you're you're throwing money at all these other projects,
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All these are millions of different products that aren't even
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like half the worth of something like this and this
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is in your laps ready to go.
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Well and Steven Soderberg is wanting to do it. That's
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the craziest thing to me, Like you have seen yes,
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Like what.
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Like are they worried? Like were they worried about it?
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Like being like maybe Dad was a worry of them.
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They wanted someone they can control better, like that seems
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to be Disney to them. Get these younger directors who
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aren't quite like the authors yet they can kind of control.
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I'm trying to give them something like.
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A rational right, I think I hear you, but I
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think this is just mismanagement. And it's a thing that
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we've been seeing a lot of uh from the company.
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And I've said it before to you privately, like it's
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not just the movie side, but like the theme park
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side has been suffering for the same thing. Prices keep
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going up and the experience is going down for a
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lot of people, Like they've mismanaged that. Let's talk about
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Disney Plus and the mismanagement over there. While between both
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Japik and Iiger, frankly speaking, they wouldn't all in on
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streaming and miss the mark completely.
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How many has there ever been has there ever been
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a quicker fall from like the top legacy wise that
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Bob Iger, like after you came, like he went out.
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When he retired, he was like top a game and
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respected him. They appreciated him, like, oh, you know.
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Even even if we didn't agree with what happened with Rise,
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like Rise lives and dies on him, let's just call
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it what it is.
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And Solo for that matter, Yes, well, police states should
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also have been pushed, and he's univers those two things,
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and even with those we're like, yep, but Bob Iger's
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still top notch out of the game. Would not want
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anybody else on there. He you know, he admits he's
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wrong kind of thing. Everything else he retires, they beg
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him to come back to Chaffic. Is that much of
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a disaster and he just becomes just as much of
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a disaster.
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Yeah, Honestly, he's tanked his like he went full Eisner,
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and I actually might respect Eisner more. I mean, you know,
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it's bad when there's active revolt from your subsidiary companies
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in the press. Right now, this Star Wars story, like
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faige On, you know, really talking about that lately and
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even the actors being like, yeah, Marvel was given a
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bad hand, like because of the streaming service and all
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of that stuff, that they were forced into making stuff
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that they weren't ready to make, or that they shouldn't
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have made Pixar. Look at the stuff with Pixar, like,
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it's such a fucking disaster, dude, And it sucks. It
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sucks really badly that you have people who this is
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the problem with this version of making movies, especially for
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a bigger studio system that answers to people who just
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want their new yacht or house. Quality doesn't necessarily matter,
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and then the decision making is baffling. And Eigord has
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done this shit in the past, but it just looks
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so bad now, especially because it's so out in the open.
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I feel like he had a mesquique about him for
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a while that made it easier look past some of
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those mistakes, like oh, okay.
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Well yeah, but everybody makes mistakes of thing.
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Now the wheels are off, and now like I feel like,
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we hope we went back and let some of the
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decisions they're even worse in hindsight, and that that's what
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I feel like now he completely lost his legacy.
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Oh, his legacy is no more.
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Absolutely I mean, he has time to write the ship
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a little bit at least get it back onto the
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neutral zone potentially by doing something. One thing would be
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to reverse this decision and hell scapegoat Bergmann completely.
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So you know this is him. It's on him.
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You know, I'll take responsibility. I was a top of
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the theme, but I listened to this guy, and you
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know I was wrong, and listen to him. Whatever you say,
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turn around and get it done, and just hope that
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we're hoping obviously that that's Suttenberg and Driver are playing
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a game. I mean they have come out and said
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that this is not for This wasn't an attempt to
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push his kney into anything. That they were just able
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to talk now because the project was dead. There's no
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NDAs anymore. Hopefully that's just them kind of playing the
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right pr game and hopefully Bob looking and go all right,
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you know what, let's make this right.
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Let me call Stephen and hopefully they still are on
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board the hell.
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Honestly, and I was Stephen a driver, I might go, yeah, okay,
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now now you're gonna pay me more.
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But also if I'm them, I also just go, look,
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we just want to make this fucking movie, like, let
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us just make the movie and look, is there a
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chance that a part of it is because they were
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worried that it would run up against their new Jedi
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Order movie? Like maybe? But guess which movie isn't seemingly
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moving forward? Well? No, I guess arguably Now this one
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isn't either. But like, I mean, the one that you've
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been talking about that just hasn't seemed to go anywhere
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in six years.
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A lot of script choice change, is a lot of
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script issues, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, you're right, you're right.
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I mean we have these rumors. Now was an actually
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pushed forward the potentially I thought was gonna happen? I
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feel I still a feeling that this is going to
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be folded into the Kimberg trilogy kind of thing that
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Kimberg's developing. I think that's what's gonna happen with this
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thing for or the Kimburg.
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Thing has died too.
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Look, well I guess that's possible.
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I think Kimberg's one is more about getting pieces in place,
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and we already have Like.
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Man, I don't disagree, I just more mean, like with
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how things have gone with this, I wouldn't be shocked.
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I yeah, no, you're not. You're entirely wrong.
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I would just say that I know, given that Kinberg
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has worked within Lucasfilm before, I always gave him the
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benefit of doubt he would be the best chance, of
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the best choice to get something done. Whether it's good
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or not. Your mouth may be varied, but to get something.
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I just can't believe that we're getting water World sequel
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in Star Wars. To me, that's the funniest thing is
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that they're clearly making a secret sequel to water World.
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Absolutely. I think twenty twenty seven is going to be
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a great year for Fare Wars.
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I really do, and hope so, man, I hope so.
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I'm hoping it does sells them by then. But I mean,
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you got Starfighter, which I think is gonna be fun
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Manda Groove. The funny thing is, I think Bandon Grig
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who doesn't doesn't even have to hit to be huge.
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It just has to like do quid enough. I think
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Starfire will set the world forward going again. We're moving
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past episode nine now. The rumor now has it, and
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I believe it from all the from the sources I've
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seen and from like the proof that's been shown. I
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think we're going to get the de specialized version of
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a New Hope in theater too, and I think that's
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going to make a big swing of like love from
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the fans. I think that's going to like unite the
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fandom a little bit good. By the way, and so
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did I.
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I looked at my.
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Twitter feed, and I'm used to seeing so much hatred
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for Star Wars and also zealous love for Star Wars
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on the other side, which I can be as bad,
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but I'd still always lean towards positive the negative that
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even though, but almost I'd say, at least of the things,
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we're like, what the hell get that done kind of thing.
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So yeah, but if they can get that done, I
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can announce it this that's a big step in the
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right direction.
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So I don't know, I don't know.
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It's all very strange, and it's been a it's been
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weird being fans of these things for so long, et cetera,
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et cetera, and this should happen, right yeah, But with that,
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I mean.
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Really, you don't be funny.
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Because Kathleen Kennedy is also supposedly stepping down from Lucas
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film again, we've heard those before, but like this seems
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like it's more legitimately sometimes, but.
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It's supposed to happen.
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Yeah, supposed to happen.
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And like that, she's been working and in her interview
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she said she was working on her successors and stuff
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like that.
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Wouldn't it be funny? Would it be funny? I would
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piss it would be funny if she took or for.
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I've said that before. I always thought that would be
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amazing and just like such a thing. I always thought
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she would be such a natural choice.
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Honestly, I agree, I agree.
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I think that like a lot to hate her for
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the wrong reasons and they don't realize that that's exactly
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where she should be. I don't think she's a creative person,
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but she knows enough to trust the artists and enough
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to Yeah, she's not gonna bee hundred percent perfect, No
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one is. Yes, I mean, like it is what it is.
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But get her in the narsonal who's pro artists, pro
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movie making, and get them in charge of like the
486
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Greenland Red like that's what you need in there.
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But I digress, I digress.
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I digress.
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You just lost a bunch of viewers, Just so.
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You know, probably but that's fine because it's interesting, right
491
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because a lot of what we're talking about in like
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mismanagement and looking at an ip and not necessarily knowing
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what to do with it and how to handle it,
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was kind of what happened to Ghostbusters, and specifically in
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Ghostbusters twenty sixteen, which and or is known as Ghostbusters
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Answer to the Call now more officially because that's what
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it became over time. But man, I still like the movie.
498
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But there's something to be said about the fact that
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over time, as this was coming together, you knew that
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things were weird because we hadn't had a movie since
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eighty nine, and every time they tried to make something
502
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like Bill Murray wasn't wanting to be involved, or something
503
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would happen, and like his relationship with Harold Ramis fell apart.
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And we eventually got the video game, which was kind
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of the Bridge, which was super cool. It got the
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entire cast back together. They did a movie pos like
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a game that was basically a movie post the second
508
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one like that was all cool. They introduced a character
509
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who was supposed to be in the next movie and
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all these things, and then the movie never happened, and
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we end up with Ghostbusters Answer the Call, which is
512
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a fine movie. But the problem is is that from
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everyone top to bottom, it doesn't seem like anyone knows
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what movie that they're making, And that comes down to
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the decisions in like how the like the universe the
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movie is in the way that the cast comes together. Uh,
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the marketing of the movie that really leans on the
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original movie and its own timeline and being like, hey,
519
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remember that time the Ghostbusters saved New York, But then
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this is not doing that, even though also the movie
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says that the mayor of New York knows that ghost existed,
522
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and we've known they've existed and we all just forget
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about it. So the movie has its own like idea
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that this is clearly in canon, but then is not.
525
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It doesn't know, it doesn't know what it wants to be.
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It has to shut it off the pot and figure
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it out. I will say there was a lot of
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that going on. I remember feeling disappointed that we were
529
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getting a reboot like this to begin. I was like,
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all right, well, I get it, I understand it, but
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like I want to see more of the original cast
532
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and that universe. But this is what they came up with.
533
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And if you're gonna do this, then do it.
534
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Just like totally revamp it.
535
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And of course there was, of course, let's put it
536
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out there. There was the very sexist fight back callback
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on a lot of sexist reason of that kind of thing.
538
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You know, the women are taking overs and everything else,
539
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And that's not the problem with this movie. I'll get
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that right out of the way, right out of the way.
541
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Nothing about it, Like I mean, I think we're gonna
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we'll find out at the end of our discussion when
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we rate the movie. I like this movie less than
544
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you did, but I would there's nothing about the cast
545
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as the problem. We've had a lot of problems, but
546
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the main one, honestly is, like you said, it just
547
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kind of doesn't know what it wants to be, and
548
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like sometimes it wants to be the original. And what
549
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happens when films try to be like the original or
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call back the original, it just reminds us of the
551
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better film much.
552
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Man it is. It's super frustrating because you know, I
553
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like the cast. I like I like the idea of
554
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doing a movie that has a new cast like this
555
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:13.799
and everyone is super game. But like every decision in
556
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:18.519
some capacity feels mismanaged, and I think it's a lack
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of discipline. And I say that in regard to Yes,
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it's like very infamously known that Bill Murray ad libbed
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most of his scenes in Ghostbusters. Yes, we are all
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aware of that. Now. What happened in the time between
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Ghostbusters two and this movie was the rise of the
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jud Apatow comedy, in that style of free form comedic
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movies where you just let a camera sit on a
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group of people and they just riff. And I'm not
565
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saying that this was a new thing, obviously, like this
566
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type of stuff always existed, but to have it be
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like a big budget comedy like the fourty year old
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version and forgetting Sarah Marshall, Like these very loosely scripted
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movies that allowed the actors to really just rip for
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minutes on it, it became really popular. And so five
571
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came from that world. He knew Jodd Appatow. They had
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worked together on Freaks and Geeks and you know, even
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heavyweights like back in the nineties, like they'd been around
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each other for a long time. So he was not
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a stranger to this version of comedy. And so when
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he directed this and got involved that became the forefront thing.
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And I think that that lack of discipline, whether it
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was on set, having them not riff as much, having
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it in the edit, having you know what I'm saying,
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like all these different little things, it creates this movie
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that is both really fun at times but also aimless.
582
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It's both too short and too long. It's every scene
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is either too short or not long, like you know
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what I mean, or.
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Too long because it's definitely long, he said, but like
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it doesn't have like it still feels like a bullet
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points story. It's like an extended version of a movie
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without extending the actual story beats at all, because everything
589
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is kind of just like the scenes are extended, not
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like the story, not like a connective tissue in the story.
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And I will say, like that kind of movie you're
592
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talking about. The one of the drawbacks to that style
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of the movie is that if you like acting, you
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like characters, that's an ant that's not what that.
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Film is about.
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Because those films endeavor basically the actors who are ahappy,
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funny actors who can do that kind of and that's
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not an easy thing to do to real rough like
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that and find material.
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But they tend to be.
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Themselves, like it's Paul Rudd making a Paul Rud movie,
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Throgen being seth Rogen, Jason Siegel being Jason, Like these
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are people being those being themselves in all these different
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kinds of movies. In a Ghostbusters film, you can't have
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Wilson McCarthy being Wilson McCarthy, Kristen Wigg being Kristen Wigg
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and that kind of thing going because these are supposed
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to be characters, not really, I mean, and I guess,
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I guess it's a little dismissive concerning Bill Murray.
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Was Bill Murray Ghostbusters?
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Right? I get that right, But like there's a lot
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of that where it just feels like this is Bill
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Murray was still kind of early on in his career.
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As far as that goes, you can kind of still
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get away with it. At this point, Melstlim mccarthury was
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pretty her brand was known, and the SNL style humor
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of the like vignettes was like kind of really pushed
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into this movie. It feels like that it feels like
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vignettes instead of a natural film. But they all kind
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of tend to meander on and I know it turned
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some people out when I said to Cash, wasn't a problem.
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I know some people did have a problem with miss
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MacArthur being Wilson McCarthy with Kristen Wigg being her usual
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eccentric self. I love both those things, so that that
624
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was never a problem for me. But it doesn't agree
625
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work in this setting.
626
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Well, and I think that you're onto something, and it
627
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was something, So I like this movie. I like. Let
628
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:17.279
me just be totally upfront, I do like this movie.
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I like it. I think that the hate for this
630
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.759
movie is really overblown and comes from the worst parts
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of the Internet a lot of the time. I don't
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think it's a great movie by any stretch of the
633
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imagination either. I think that it definitely has the problems
634
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.599
that we're talking about. But one of the things that
635
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.799
I think you're nailing in this is I do think
636
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it features a lack of character, and I think that
637
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that comes from a point of I don't feel like
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any of the characters are significantly different from each other.
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When you watch the original movie, every one of the
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characters pretty much has their own vibe and they are
641
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:03.640
very much their own people. I don't feel like this
642
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:08.680
movie does that. Is that this well, they all feel
643
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very interchangeable. Yes, and they feel like they could all
644
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be one character, like even the version of having like
645
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:21.279
a Winston Zmore type character who in this movie, of course,
646
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is Leslie Jones. She is wonderful as Patricia towelan Pattie.
647
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She's she's super fun, but like, she doesn't feel any
648
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.680
different than Melissa McCarthy in this. She doesn't feel different
649
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than Holtzman. And like Kate McKinnon is great in this,
650
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.079
but they're all on Kate McKinnon's level. And I think
651
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that that's a problem.
652
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.920
Right, Kate mckinnen's Karen needed to be the outlier to that.
653
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Yes, And I contend that a lot of this is
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because and I brought this up to you the other
655
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day after I was after I had rewatched it is
656
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it's become very clear to me in the ten years
657
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basically since this movie has come out, this movie wants
658
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to be animated in live action. And what I mean
659
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by that is it's very clear that fig and the
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people involved looked at the animated series. This is down
661
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to the ghost designs, this is down to the color gradient,
662
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this is down to the characters. They made this movie
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to be a lot more like a live action version
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of the animated series, and in doing so, I think
665
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that the movie becomes a little lost in itself and
666
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doesn't really find footing in its characters. It's hoping you'll
667
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just buy into the world itself. The easiest sell in
668
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that would have just been if it had been set
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in the original timeline. But by forcing the hand of
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where rebooting it and retreading this movie and doing the
671
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things that you all know to your point from earlier,
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is that then it pulls you out because now we're
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making callbacks to a movie we like more that did
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this already, and you could have avoided all of this
675
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by just setting it in the same timeline.
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Absolutely, you could have a connection to the original Ghostbuster somehow,
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like I wouldn't have put for it. I don't want
678
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to say, okay, it's that it is the children of
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venkman Rey like all together. No, but you have a
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connection someone, maybe one of them, maybe like Kate McKinnon's
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character is or whatever or something like that, just one
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character connection, and then you could just like everything else
683
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.840
could have been balanced off. And it makes this one
684
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look even better because like, Okay, now I'm comfortable here.
685
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.079
I know what I'm doing here, And I wouldn't have
686
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minded the cartoonish as much because I feel like it
687
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works at least with a tethers and one without the
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00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.719
tether It's like you're trying to reboot and make this
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whole new thing, and you're fucking against it by going
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back to the originally. Just it just feels off to me.
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I don't love the color scheme like you do. But
692
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then again, I'm not an I'm not the animated fan.
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As far as like the Ghostbusters world goes, I've never
694
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getten into them. I will eventually not get anything against them.
695
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I just never watched them. So seeing that without contact
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with that made this even worse to me as well.
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So kind of like I just I felt it was
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right to light and the first one had this kind
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of like grimin is to it, this earthy New York
700
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City dirty vibe to it. It's missing in this one.
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It feels too clean and too for if someone has
702
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:26.880
New York City as a character, it just feels like
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00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.880
it's got too It's hard to explain, I guess, but
704
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I feel it's it's just not not good enough for me.
705
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No, And look, I do get that, don't get me wrong.
706
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I think it's because I loved Extreme Ghostbusters so much
707
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growing up that I do appreciate like a swing of
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trying to do something like that in live action. The
709
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.360
problem is is that, again I think by not having
710
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a better anchor, this movie was never going to work.
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00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.360
And again I think that this is a mismanagement thing
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from the top down, because if you were this was
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a huge part of the Sony leagues and all the
714
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:08.639
things that were going on in that era. In this movie,
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you could tell no one really knew what movie it
716
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.039
was supposed to be. And even Dan Aykroyd has come
717
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.760
out since and been like, you know, if I didn't
718
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.880
quite listen to us, which is an easy scapegoat, it
719
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really is. I don't blame all of it on him.
720
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I blame it on pretty much everyone. This was a
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movie that needed to basically be made and have the
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discipline to be like, look, we don't have to reboot this.
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And you know it's bad when even Sony's trying to
724
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sell it as a sequel when it's not, because that
725
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:47.079
original teaser trailer sells it as a sequel. Yeah, Now,
726
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.800
is there something to be said that if you do
727
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:54.000
that and you have this full woman team that it
728
00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:01.039
takes away some of their own like power, like guidance
729
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:04.000
in Oh they're handed the proton packs or they find
730
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.519
the proton packs, like their agency is a little bit
731
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.559
taken away. But at the same time, why not just
732
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.599
do the that was franchised They set that up in
733
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:18.199
the original movie. Mm hm, Like, absolutely, you can franchise this,
734
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.840
you can do all this stuff with it. And it
735
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:27.360
sucks because I do think that this movie is one
736
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.239
of the larger reasons that people actually start talking about
737
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.599
like there's no nice way to say this, but like
738
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.159
wokeness in movies and things like that, this push forward
739
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.679
to like make it feel like we have to have
740
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.800
some sort of inclusion. And I don't think that it's
741
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.400
a bad thing, but I think because so many people
742
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:52.000
felt backhanded by this movie, it only made the like
743
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.320
argument against this type of thing louder when you look
744
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.559
at something like Afterlife that also has a woman front
745
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.119
and center, but they anchored it in OH, but she's
746
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.440
related to Harold Raid and Missus character, and you do
747
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.719
this thing and it feels like it's more built into
748
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:14.840
the world that is being for this one. Just I
749
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:16.960
hate saying it like that. I know how that sounds.
750
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.800
No, No, I know what you mean. I don't.
751
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.360
I don't disagree with you on that. I feel like
752
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.679
I get this is what I said, like, I don't know. Again,
753
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.760
I'm kind of jumping ging a little bit. But I'm
754
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:27.880
gonna rate this later on.
755
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:29.519
I'm going to.
756
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.320
Rate this lower than you for sure. I know that
757
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.280
I can already tell you that. But I think, like
758
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.320
when I talk about a movie I don't like, I
759
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:37.239
think it's a bad film.
760
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:40.320
I'm not one that post punches.
761
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:41.760
I try to be positive in general, but when it
762
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.039
gets down to like, you know, I get the movies
763
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.199
like you know, the NFL's, the Halloween resurrections, I call
764
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.039
with the art m I go, this is a bad film.
765
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.000
If she'd feel bad, I don't feel bad. I'll saying it,
766
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.880
like honestly, generally speaking beyond the beyond the always we
767
00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:59.320
know it's hard to make a movie, and somebody did
768
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.679
work really hard it. But like in general, there's that line,
769
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.639
I actually feel really bad about not liking this movie
770
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.280
because there's a lot of people whose hearts are in
771
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.599
the right place in this there's a lot of effort
772
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.960
in there, and they're doing their best on some things,
773
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.320
but unfortunately the guidance from top did not work, and
774
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.679
there's a lot that didn't work. And so, honestly speaking,
775
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.679
I'm gonna rate this probably pretty low even though, but
776
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.440
I'm gonna feel bad about it because I think Kate
777
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.280
McKinnon was fun. I think most of McCarthy was fun,
778
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.400
Christian Rake was great, Listen Jones great. I mean, there's
779
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.320
a lot of fun to be had in this movie.
780
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.039
Andy Garcia was even fun as the mayor, but it just.
781
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.280
Does to have him as this character. Sorry not to
782
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.119
step on your point, because I hear you, and you're
783
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.159
right and I understand it, but what a fucking weird
784
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.159
choice to have the mayor character be aware of ghosts
785
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:56.480
and say that this shit has happened in the past,
786
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.280
but it's not in canon with the originals. What a
787
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.880
weird fucking choice. And I'm never going to understand that.
788
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:10.280
And again, that is this whole movie. This whole movie
789
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:14.199
is like making choices like that where you go if
790
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.000
you just pivot, haf you pivot over just a little
791
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.119
bit and go, yes, this happened before, Yes we covered
792
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:26.199
it up, which is basically what after life does. Right,
793
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:30.679
So and I think that After Life, which we're gonna
794
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.639
be covering obviously, but like, it's weird to have after
795
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:40.599
life do this so well. Yeah, and then you look
796
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.639
back at this and I think that After Life's existence
797
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.920
only hurts this one more. And that's really frustrating because
798
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.800
I still think this movie is good. I just don't
799
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.360
think it's the movie that it should have been. And
800
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.360
that's really really hard. And this is one of those
801
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.800
times where I'm going to talk like we talk about
802
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.760
the movie and I take it on its merits and
803
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:04.440
things like that, but this is also one of the
804
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:10.000
few impossible scenarios where I cannot just go this is
805
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.599
the movie as it is, because it seems like every
806
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:18.480
decision along the way pivots me to looking at the
807
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.719
potential better movie. And so yes, I can take it
808
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.039
on its own accord. But at the same time, man,
809
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.480
like this movie should have been better.
810
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.599
I feel like this movie. I feel like five decided
811
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.840
to film two movies because you can. The one good
812
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.119
thing about the way they that style is is you
813
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:43.119
can kind of craft the film internet, and I feel
814
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.280
like he basically said, let's film this two ways. Film
815
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.239
it as a legacy sequel and film it as own thing,
816
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:52.000
and then chose to do it without being a legacy sequel,
817
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.480
and then but then like decided to but unfortunately took
818
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.159
things from both sides. So it ends up being this
819
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.840
amalgamation which makes it now work because he made he
820
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.360
didn't You made that choice. You gotta stick with that
821
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:03.440
choice throughout the entire dy.
822
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.360
Of the film, and didn't. It went back and forth
823
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:06.039
in this whole idea.
824
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.000
It teases the things and oh, I gotta say, like
825
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:18.079
the cameos, the cameos like Bill Murray, I love Bill Murray.
826
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.360
You know he doesn't want to be there. You know
827
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.119
he's gonna do something really weird and out there to
828
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:27.719
try to like make it its own thing. Dan Ackroyd,
829
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.320
I love Dan Akroid. You can tell he's almost got
830
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:33.480
a broken heart while doing this, like because he's the
831
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.119
one out of everybody who wants to be front and
832
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.800
center for a Ghostbusters three, Like he was trying to
833
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.360
make that happen for years. He wanted to be head
834
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:41.960
and Chared. I mean, he would have been fine like
835
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.400
handing off to somebody else, but he wanted to be
836
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.199
like that big supporting character of nothing else. And he
837
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.039
comes in he has his like line and it's.
838
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.440
Like he does his best. He's dan afterward.
839
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.119
He's still is funny about it, but like it's like
840
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.920
okay and exactly a callback. It's just we're just gonna
841
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.360
be years thing. Just go on, say your line like
842
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.239
you know you're gonna do, say what do you want?
843
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:04.880
And then get off.
844
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.880
I mean Winston Ernie Hudson, you know, is probably the
845
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.039
best of them. Could it felt fun and like detached
846
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:13.840
a little bit in a way, and it felt actually
847
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:14.760
know what it was. It felt like it was a
848
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.760
connected tissue. He wasn't playing Winston. He still felt like
849
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.880
he was Leslie's Lessie Jones or Patricia's uncle. If that
850
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.800
was Winston, it would have been actually a fun thing.
851
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:31.039
Right, every everything is like that, man, Everything is like
852
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.239
that in this And that's why I get so frustrated
853
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.360
because even the idea of like the Bill Murray thing,
854
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.039
wouldn't it have been better if it turns because Vankman
855
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.360
is already doing like TV shows and stuff by the
856
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.960
second one, right, and people already look at him like
857
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.760
he's kind of a clown. What if Vankman had decided
858
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.719
to start being a dude who was debunking other people
859
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:57.719
who were ghostbusters. What if? Like what if and you
860
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.559
have this moment where, now, granted you don't go a
861
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.719
step farther and kill Vankman, but the idea being that,
862
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:10.000
like you could have played with that because he's basically
863
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:15.159
supposed to be the version of you know, Dickless.
864
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:18.159
Right, yeah, absolutely, and having him that that's actually an
865
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.760
inside meta joke that works.
866
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:25.199
Yes, fun, but you don't do it the right way.
867
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.639
And so because of that, like every decision seems half
868
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:35.920
hearted and like weird. I don't know, man, And why
869
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.840
is this also, I mean not that afterlife did a
870
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.079
lot better? Why is this also the second time Sigourney
871
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.079
Weaver or the first time rather of two where Sigourney
872
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:48.400
Weaver is just regulated to cameo in the middle of
873
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.599
the credits.
874
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.320
That's a great question. That's a great question. And this
875
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.480
one it seems so disrespect it does. This one is
876
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:58.880
even more direspectful of its time.
877
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.000
Like her character, it's just we're gonna get in the
878
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:05.639
movie and she's her teacher, Like like I was kind
879
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.920
of like, what are we doing with her? There is
880
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:09.960
legitimately just to put her in the movie, And like
881
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.719
when you do a cameo like that, usually you make
882
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.920
it some kind of fun. Either it's a complete nothing
883
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.159
cameo it's just there, like just to say hi, or
884
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.719
it's something that's related to their character and they make
885
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:23.159
it work.
886
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.559
This is like you're gonna create this total new character
887
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:26.159
that has.
888
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:27.679
Like I.
889
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.079
Don't understand it. I don't understand it at all.
890
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.920
No, I don't. It's very strange. Now I'm being very
891
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.800
hard on the movie, and I admit that because it's
892
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.639
super frustrating when.
893
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:42.519
I go one more before we because the more we
894
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:44.559
turn positives there's some positive that you want to say.
895
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.480
One more negative. I have to get off my chest. Okay,
896
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:49.679
this villain is awful.
897
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.880
Yeah, I was gonna say that. The biggest other problem
898
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:59.199
with the movie, frankly speak the villain just it does
899
00:45:59.400 --> 00:45:59.880
not matter.
900
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:01.920
Why do we need a human villain?
901
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:04.599
I don't understand.
902
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.760
Like I know, we had a human villain esque with
903
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.320
Ghost Patters too, with a Vigo's little scientist or museum
904
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.639
curator guy, but like in this one, it's just a
905
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.039
giant man baby who got bullied and now he's gonna
906
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.599
become the ghost, the big ghost, and he's gonna lead
907
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:26.800
the ghost Army and it just was like it just
908
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:28.920
does not I love.
909
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.320
I love his first scene when he meets Patty, Like
910
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.400
I think that scenems hysterical, where he's talking about how
911
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.559
people be enslaved, but people like Patty will be like
912
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.800
the last served up, so enjoy your extra time on art. Like,
913
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.280
I love all of that. I think it's so funny.
914
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.599
I love the idea of him being like this weird
915
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.239
little dude who lives in a hotel. Right, all of
916
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.559
that is great. It's just I don't care about the
917
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.960
character because he does nothing more than that, and he's
918
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:57.840
such a loser.
919
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.599
If he could, if he was like that's that's the thing.
920
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:02.920
He's a loser and you're making him the bad villain.
921
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:04.719
You're a loser. Is the big beat.
922
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.360
If he was like the flunky, if he was like
923
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.519
the vehicle at the ghosts for using to come like
924
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:11.440
kind of thing like again like those bushers to no,
925
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.159
if there was a big batty and this guy was
926
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.719
like trying so hard to get revenge that he was whatever.
927
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.039
But no, he's in charge of it all. He's the
928
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:20.119
one that's doing it all.
929
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.880
And it's like I gotta say, I hate saying it,
930
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:24.480
And this is what I do hate saying is like,
931
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:26.519
whoever the actors, I don't know the actres is, I
932
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:28.679
don't know who is I he just did not sell
933
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.039
me on it. Maybe it was a different actor. I
934
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.199
could have bought into it a little bit more. But
935
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.559
there is nothing about him that worked for me, nothing
936
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.559
at all. It was just god awful. And once the
937
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:39.599
villain is there like that, it's like, well, what do
938
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:40.199
we care?
939
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.960
Well, it's funny because then I actually think that the
940
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.159
character works even better when Hemsworth starts playing it. No, Yes,
941
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.280
that's hysterical to me. Yes, because like, Hemsworth is so
942
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.559
good when he's doing it. And here Hemsworth is both
943
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.280
the best thing about this movie and the world thing
944
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.719
about this movie, because Kevin is a character is like
945
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.679
really good because Helmsworth is so good. But the character
946
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.679
is such a glaring issue because it's a character that
947
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:18.559
like he just heightens everything wrong in the movie too.
948
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.800
Every joke runs too long, every scene is a little
949
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.400
too long because of it. But I don't care because
950
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.039
Emsworth is so fun in this.
951
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.159
Is the first time weird, it's the first time. Correct
952
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.000
me if I'm wrong that we really had a comic.
953
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:37.360
Vacation.
954
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.280
I think before this was a vacation before.
955
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:43.519
This, Yeah, because I think vacations twenty fifteen.
956
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:44.960
If I'm okay, that makes sense.
957
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.440
But now again smaller, smaller role. He steals that movie too.
958
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:56.320
Hemsworth is so good at comedy and he's such a
959
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:00.119
perfect version of this character, and I do like of
960
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.159
that this is the like in the original, Janine is
961
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.159
like clearly the only person in the room who's an adult,
962
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:14.039
right right, In this one, you can't trust Kevin for shit,
963
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.719
Like the dude is a child, and so I kind
964
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:21.119
of love the idea of him being that the joke
965
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.320
of the jokes about him being like a sexual law
966
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.480
sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen, run too long, like
967
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.239
all of that is. It's funny, but like it also
968
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.760
runs too long. But myth is trying so hard and
969
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:40.639
it works. I just wish that his character had more
970
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.079
to do also, because I think that it just the
971
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.880
jokes become He's big and dumb. He's big and dumb,
972
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.119
He's handsome, big and dumb.
973
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:51.960
He is the best thing about the movie, I'll be honest.
974
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.079
He consistently makes me laugh throughout the movie. Honestly so
975
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:57.119
he is my favorite partner.
976
00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.360
When the phone is ringing and he keeps trying to
977
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.960
put his hand into the tank, and then he goes,
978
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.400
you know, a tank is just a submarine for a fish,
979
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.559
and you're like, what is happening?
980
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:07.760
Actually, genius?
981
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.719
My favorite one, I think my favorite one. I seen
982
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:14.559
that it was more of a subtle one. Be showing
983
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.199
to head chops saying be playing the saxophone or be
984
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:19.480
listening to saxophone. The other pictures seemed like, well the saxophone,
985
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:20.079
he's actually.
986
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:24.119
Listening to this, Yeah, oh my god, so funny.
987
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.320
He got such great timing. In fact, like that's why
988
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.079
I was asking him his first one, because like we're
989
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:32.119
not thor or that. This is like a real, full
990
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.920
on comp performance. It really has chops. He has comic
991
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.239
chops that are equal as as much as the women
992
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.119
who are in the leads here as well. I get
993
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.039
what you're saying about everything else, because at that point,
994
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.159
like with the role that he is he has, he
995
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.199
shouldn't be the funniest thing because he's not enough to
996
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:54.440
do that. But his time as the villa at the end, Wow,
997
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:56.199
I did love I love that bit.
998
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:58.119
I love that bit a lot. That's what it felt
999
00:50:58.239 --> 00:50:59.960
real again, he felt more threatening.
1000
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.719
It works. I actually like all the stuff once. I
1001
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:08.039
actually this is something the movie does really well, and
1002
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.159
I actually think it doesn't get enough credit for us.
1003
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.440
I do like all the Possession stuff. I think that
1004
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.760
that's actually like a very natural step forward for the franchise,
1005
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.360
because we see a little bit of that in the
1006
00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:23.119
second one, right, and I really like it in this movie.
1007
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.639
I like it a little less with the like throwing
1008
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.239
up right up front with Melissa McCarthy where they're very
1009
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.639
clearly trying to remake the scene from Bride'smaids, But once
1010
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.360
the Possession stuff starts and then it takes over, Kevin
1011
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:42.480
like that stuff is really really good and I really
1012
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:47.400
appreciate all of that. I still wish that I felt
1013
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:51.320
like the character had more to do. I do love
1014
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.519
when he starts picking people up and he's tossing and
1015
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:55.719
he's like, man, I really should have been working out
1016
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.000
in my previous body, and like, all of that is
1017
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.400
really funny, because of course worse that dude didn't consider
1018
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.119
that actually working out really does do better for you.
1019
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.079
So little things like that are really good. And I'll
1020
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.079
say this, I actually think the third act of this
1021
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.760
movie is great. From the moment that we basically get
1022
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.400
to Times Square to the end, the movie is really
1023
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:19.920
really good, and that's when the movie starts to finally work.
1024
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.920
But that's also because it's very different than anything we've
1025
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:27.360
seen in the franchise before, because it becomes very action forward,
1026
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.800
and I appreciate that. But your mile Linche may vary,
1027
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.880
because again it's basically a live action cartoon.
1028
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:37.800
I will say I think it is the best part
1029
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:41.199
of the film. I still say the thing it's great,
1030
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.000
but I definitely think it is the best part of
1031
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.199
the film. I do like the idea that I did
1032
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.079
love the idea that the gun like the guns and
1033
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:54.119
new stop that Kit and Kennon's character Holtsman we're creating.
1034
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.679
I love that we were broadening our repertoire or our
1035
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.320
armory as it were. Like, I love it when she
1036
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:04.079
had her little small guns out and she's like licking
1037
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:05.880
the guns and some of them she's having the action moments.
1038
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.440
Bombs that only are hurting the thing. It's like, is
1039
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.159
that a stupid thing? A bomb that only hurts the
1040
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:10.960
ghost not the humans.
1041
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:12.159
Yes, that's stupid and it doesn't.
1042
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.119
But it's okay in this world that it's done right,
1043
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.920
and it is that stuffs like, oh, I feel like
1044
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:18.880
natural progression and that does feel like a little cart
1045
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:19.800
you needed me, but I was.
1046
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.440
Allowed okay with that, the fact we were doing this.
1047
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:23.760
Let's get this out. Let's let's try some new fun things.
1048
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:25.880
Every Ghostbusters film, we should have some new invention of
1049
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.039
new fun crazy inventions to uh, to defeat the ghast,
1050
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:30.000
to face the ghost whoever.
1051
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:34.239
I love that aspect of things. Yeah, but you know,
1052
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:34.920
I get, I get.
1053
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:36.880
But like the I will say the third act does
1054
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.639
work generally for me because of that it becomes an
1055
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.760
action movie, and the action movie doesn't. The pacing is
1056
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.760
much better at that point because it's just all a
1057
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:47.320
little faster and more tense.
1058
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.760
It's super fun, man like, because I you know, I
1059
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.599
like the design of all the ghosts. I think they
1060
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.760
look super cool. I love the color palette. I love
1061
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.079
that we're getting this big sequence in the middle of
1062
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:06.760
times square. That also being said, I genuinely also feel
1063
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.320
like I don't know what it is. I do know
1064
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:14.119
what it is, maybe because I know it was shot
1065
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:18.360
in Boston. Maybe it's looking at it, But I never
1066
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.000
feel like it's really New York, and I never feel
1067
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.079
like we're really in the real Times Square, and I
1068
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:28.920
never feel like it's a character in the same way. So,
1069
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.599
while I'm enjoying the action beat, I love all the ghosts,
1070
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.559
I love how everything looks, I love the traps, I
1071
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:38.199
love the different versions of the guns. Like you pointed out,
1072
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.679
I love all of that, or the proton packs rather
1073
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.239
not guns. I mean they're gun versions of the proton pack.
1074
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:48.280
But I digress, right right, Yeah, I think that this
1075
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:52.679
movie loses something, and something Ghostbusters Too fell into. Also,
1076
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.559
frankly speaking, New York doesn't feel like a character anymore,
1077
00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:00.440
more so in Ghostbusters Too. But New York no longer
1078
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:02.880
feels like a character, and it makes the last shot
1079
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.119
of the movie, where it's very clearly not New York
1080
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:13.239
skyline being like thank you, Ghostbusters. I hate it bums
1081
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.519
me out because also, this whole fucking storyline where the
1082
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.320
mayor keeps being like, you know, thanks for helping us,
1083
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.119
but we're also going to discredit you in the media
1084
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:23.639
is so late.
1085
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:24.920
Mm hmmm.
1086
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:30.159
I hate the awful It is awful. I gotta say
1087
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.320
I can't like it. Just I agree that in new
1088
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:34.880
York Field.
1089
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.199
I actually think I think Ghostbusters too feels more a
1090
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.239
character still and your feels weren't a character in Ghostbusters
1091
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:42.159
two to be still than it doesn't. And this one
1092
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:43.960
does not feel like the character at all. It feels
1093
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.800
like the only way times it feels even somewhat like
1094
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.320
it maybe in the subways maybe.
1095
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.920
And I do love that scene when Patty goes down
1096
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.320
for the first time and sees that ghost again. What
1097
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:57.440
a cold design. Love that design.
1098
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.360
By the way, I love the Patty has to be
1099
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.360
more than the loud andry black woman that she had
1100
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.039
to be on sire on line from every skitch she
1101
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.320
was in. She still does some of that, to be
1102
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.760
honest with you here, but like it's it gives her
1103
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.519
a moment to be beyond that, which is very I'm
1104
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.920
happy to see that. And yes I agreed, but like
1105
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.719
New York is a problem for Ghostbusters franchise, like it
1106
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.280
was such a big part of the first one. One
1107
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:22.239
guy that slipped a little bit, this one awful. You
1108
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:23.559
and I disagree a little, but we'll talk about it
1109
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:26.679
next time. For Ghostbusters Afterlife, I still think it's missing
1110
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:29.440
New York, even though at least at least in after Life,
1111
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.719
I will say that they consciously took it away from
1112
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:34.800
New York's. At least that's a decision that was made,
1113
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.000
and so I can blame it on the decision being
1114
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.159
made instead of like setting it in New York and
1115
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:43.239
still be the capture of the Essence and then Frozen
1116
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.199
Empire was a grateful and happy return for me to
1117
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:45.679
New York.
1118
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:47.639
Well, I gotta watch that one again. I've only watch
1119
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:50.000
that the one time. I look into that. The next
1120
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.039
time I see that one, but yeah, it just.
1121
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.599
Does not work well. It just does not feel like
1122
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.920
it's the right place in time. I guess you could
1123
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.119
also chop it up to being the cartoonish side of things.
1124
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.159
So is it more cartoonish out of New York? Maybe
1125
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.519
that's what it did is partially, but it doesn't really work.
1126
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.239
Very well now, And I think that that's why. Like
1127
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:12.559
as much as I love the third act in that portion,
1128
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.519
I do miss it feeling like Times Square. Yeah. I
1129
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.719
love the idea of them seeing like a ghost Thanksgiving
1130
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:21.880
Day parade. I think that was awesome.
1131
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.679
That's so cool, But then again, where's the Stave took
1132
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.039
marshmallow Man come from? Yeah, in that universe or slam
1133
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:31.840
Slimmer was one of the worst ones for me. I'm like,
1134
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.719
you're gonna put Slimmer in, like I like seeing him.
1135
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.599
In fact, like the slimmery usage was probably better in
1136
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:40.760
this than Afterlife, I think honestly, because he wasn't really
1137
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.599
in that Democrat. He was like the other one of
1138
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.320
the bigger one. Correct, was like the Slimmer's older brother
1139
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.679
whatever it was or yeah was, But so I liked
1140
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:51.760
seeing it with him. That was a good decision. But
1141
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.360
like in a way, but like I got now a
1142
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:55.960
good decison, shouldn't say goodsion was. It was a good
1143
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.559
execution decision makes it a little walky. That was again
1144
00:57:58.639 --> 00:57:59.880
it reminds you of the first film.
1145
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.800
Well, and so then the question becomes is that our
1146
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:15.480
Slimmer is Slimer just someone who goes between you know, dimensions? Right, Well,
1147
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.400
because they've introduced like that's kind of the idea, right
1148
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:21.800
because the comics have both the movie says it, and
1149
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.400
then the comics also introduce it that and stuff. So
1150
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.039
like this idea that there is multiple universes of Ghostbusters.
1151
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:35.559
It it's kind of there. It exists, but we're not
1152
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:37.719
doing anything with it. But it could be that that
1153
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.239
this version of Slimer is our Slimer.
1154
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:44.039
Yeah, I'd be okay with the multiverse connecting with Actually,
1155
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.320
I think to make this movie a little bit, a
1156
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:46.840
little bit better, a little.
1157
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:49.039
Bit, well, they've done it, but again it's only been
1158
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:52.840
in the comics in like since and that was only
1159
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.800
because they realized that they really need to make sure
1160
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:58.559
that the answer to the call characters deserve like actually
1161
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:00.920
get to do something in the comics actually go a
1162
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.800
long way and starting to make them characters.
1163
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.440
Which is like, I've never read the books better.
1164
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.679
Now they're worth it. I have them. I mean you're
1165
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.719
not here, but you know I do have them. They exist,
1166
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:17.199
They're very good and they deserved this. And it's like
1167
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:19.679
the comics did a great job actually making me like
1168
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:23.119
those characters even more. And again, I don't think this
1169
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.400
cast is bad. I actually think Leslie Jones is super
1170
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.159
fun in this movie. Kate McKinnon is super fun in
1171
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.559
this movie. McCarthy's the only one who get a little
1172
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.199
on my nerves because I feel like she, of all people,
1173
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.239
seems to be riffing the most and just does not
1174
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.880
know when to rain herself in Again, A lack of
1175
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:46.280
discipline in that is just allowing people to do what
1176
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:51.039
they're gonna do, right. I like her, But also, how
1177
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.920
many times are we gonna do the fucking joke about
1178
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.400
the wanton soup? Yeah?
1179
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:01.079
Yeah, that was much of the one time enough to
1180
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:05.760
be honest, right, and it lasts how long? Yeah? It
1181
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.119
just kept going and going. It was doing that they
1182
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.159
were really trying. It feels like they were really trying
1183
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:10.719
to do the.
1184
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.320
They were trying to do, like the whole like, let's
1185
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:18.320
make the joke last so long and it becomes uncomfortable
1186
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:23.280
and then becomes funny again. Unfortunately, it just didn't become
1187
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:24.119
funny again.
1188
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:28.119
No, it never comes back around really in any way.
1189
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.440
Did you catch the Sam Richardson GAMEO? By the way,
1190
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.880
I did. I thought that was really funny. I was like, oh,
1191
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.440
it's Sam Richardson. Like he started talking to them, was
1192
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:40.519
looking at I was like, oh shit, it's Sam Richardson.
1193
01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:42.039
Sam Richardson. Yeah.
1194
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.039
I was like it's funny because like sometimes when you've
1195
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.639
seen an act like that, you're like, you don't like
1196
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:50.360
who I see? You seen out of context from what
1197
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:51.320
you know him, and you're kind.
1198
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.000
Of like, who is he is? He Oh that's what
1199
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:54.440
is Sam.
1200
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.039
I was like, oh I rewounded Washington get thrown on
1201
01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:59.039
that part and watching it again, like, oh okay, Sam Richison,
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01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:00.280
Yeah he was, he was.
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01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.800
He was funny a second that at that moment one
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01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.840
of my favorite moments in the whole thing fiosity and.
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01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.320
Of course one of my favorite moments. And I brought
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01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.559
this up weeks ago because I knew it was coming.
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01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.000
But yeah, all right, p Ozzy Osbourne, Uh, his cameo
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01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:18.840
is so wonderful. That whole thing about the ghost attack again,
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01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.920
I love the look of the ghost demon. Love that thing.
1210
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.400
I think it's super cool. But another fucking joke that
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01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.719
lasts too long is Patty wandering through the audience with
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01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:32.519
it on her shoulders. That joke last like a minute
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01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:32.920
and a half.
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01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.840
Yeah, it's too much. It's just way too much.
1215
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.719
Like it's just like you gotta get in and out
1216
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:41.719
common timing is it's something that they should be good at,
1217
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:44.320
like Paul five did a wonderful job in Bridesman's with that,
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01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.800
as in most MacCarthy and everything else, and yet it's
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01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.920
just not explained. It almost feels like he because he
1220
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.280
was so beloved and I could be mistaken if I
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01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.079
am Paul i Apolo do it now. But I'll say
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01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:57.119
it feels like Paul believed his own hype at that
1223
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:57.920
point because.
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01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.960
Bridbay was so beloved discipline.
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01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:03.079
Yeah, that's what kind of when and I can do
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01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:05.400
this again, I'll just do I'm a genius now, I
1227
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.400
can do this kind of thing. And then this is
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01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.800
kind of we get. It's like it's just it's not there,
1229
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:13.679
and it's like it's not it's not for lack of talent.
1230
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.159
Performers are all wonderful before actors, one off performers, one
1231
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:20.760
of comedians, and but it just doesn't.
1232
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:26.159
Work this movie. Also, they spent so much money on it.
1233
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.119
I spent almost one hundred and fifty million dollars on
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01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.880
this movie. That's way too much for this movie. Like
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01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:39.480
I don't I want to say that After Life didn't
1236
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.400
even cost I think it only costs like one hundred million,
1237
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:47.519
maybe not even. And Frozen Empire similarly, like you should
1238
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:49.800
not be spending that kind of money on a movie
1239
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:54.199
like this, because especially one that is not overall connected
1240
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:57.760
to everything going on, Like don't do that. Yeah, After
1241
01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:59.159
Life costs seventy five million.
1242
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.239
Yeah, yeah, I was looking that up seventy five million
1243
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:05.840
for that versus what was about one hundred and fifty million,
1244
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.480
And that's like almost five years later, so like money is,
1245
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.920
you know, inflation has not. It's even the worst case scenario,
1246
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.320
seventy five million tops. That's that's a solid price for
1247
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:18.280
the ghost Question movie.
1248
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.320
And again I do I do understand that a big
1249
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.239
part of that is because this movie comparatively, like because
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01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:26.920
they go all out on it, trying to be like
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01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:31.360
this bigger comic booky animated movie, sort of the thing,
1252
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:33.880
Oh my god, someone has a mood over there.
1253
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.880
Yeah, a daughter, My daughter got home, reopening doors.
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01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:45.440
Got it? I see, I see. I think that because
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01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:48.360
they were going for this like grandiose version of Ghostbusters,
1256
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:52.400
which again I would argue is inherently part of the
1257
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:56.239
issue of for some people, the ghost are a lot
1258
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:58.239
more front center, the action is a lot more front
1259
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:01.360
and center, like the being big, being bold, being bright.
1260
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:06.679
Something we said about Ghostbusters kind of also being scaled back,
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01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:09.480
something about it being like there isn't a ghost in
1262
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.679
every scene, allowing there to be more other things going
1263
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:17.840
on that build to it. Right, arguably, trying to make
1264
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:21.679
a horror film that's also a comedy, right, yeah.
1265
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.400
Yeah, and that's something that it's not as easy as
1266
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.599
it sounds. But like there, when you get it, it
1267
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:30.199
works great. This one just didn't quite get there kind
1268
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.880
of like I mean, it never got very scary at all.
1269
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.159
There's not anything scary about it. And that's that's part
1270
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.159
of the problem, because the Ghostbuster at least had those
1271
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.639
moments that were like genuinely horrorfying moments in a way,
1272
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.000
I mean not compared to like obviously like some of
1273
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.199
the other movies out there, but in the horror comedy
1274
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:49.760
gets to that least level. This is all felt Again
1275
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:52.440
that's part of the cartoonishs I mentioned before as well.
1276
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.440
It doesn't work as is. The cartoonis just makes it
1277
01:04:55.519 --> 01:05:00.639
even sillier than it should be. You know, it's stuff
1278
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.000
not to crack, and they just didn't do it.
1279
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:03.760
They just didn't do it.
1280
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.760
Yeah, it's just it's just weird. Man. Like Again, I argue,
1281
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.039
I think that a big part of it is just
1282
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.760
everyone involved trying to do different things, to the point
1283
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.280
that Sony wants to sell it as a sequel, but
1284
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:21.400
it's not a sequel, but they green, you know what
1285
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:23.400
I mean, Like, so then they try to pull the
1286
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:26.000
wool over the eyes of the audience. Then the movie
1287
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:28.159
itself is like, no, we're doing our own thing, but
1288
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.320
it's also the thing you've already seen, and we're gonna
1289
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.519
leave all the breadcrumbs to do basically the original movie
1290
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:40.239
now was zol And you're like, why is that your idea?
1291
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.199
Like why this? Why this way?
1292
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.159
Yeah, there's nothing about that I can I can confidently
1293
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:50.599
say why they chose to do something. It's just like
1294
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:55.119
they feel like they Bridesmaids made women in comedy great,
1295
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.320
Like it was a big, hot muffing, hot button moment,
1296
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:01.159
and so they wanted to make this with the women
1297
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.360
that the qualifag did that with anual smaccarthies in it.
1298
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:08.519
You swigging it and it does. He can't make that
1299
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:11.239
chemistry or that can't that come around. It can't make
1300
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:13.519
that work in every kind of film, And it does
1301
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:15.960
not just does not work in this film. It could
1302
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:18.840
have if you shape the story better, if you shape
1303
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.760
the if you edit it better together, and you build
1304
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:24.760
the lore better instead of just kind of like slapping
1305
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:26.920
any And there's times, really something's annoyed me like that,
1306
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.480
I don't even know. Maybe you shouldn' annoy me. But
1307
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:32.039
like when at one point they're using the proton packs
1308
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:37.840
as like blasters, like he's to like knock them out
1309
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:38.480
instead of like.
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01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:40.880
A capturing them.
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01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.400
The protocts are always generally about capturing them or somebody
1312
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.400
are holding them. That's what it was to hold them
1313
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.079
in place. And all of a sudden they're like shooting
1314
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.400
and they're being thrown back and knocked out kind of thing.
1315
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.400
It's like, that's what do you what are we doing
1316
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:51.840
with this?
1317
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.880
Because it needs to happen, cray something else for that.
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01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:58.119
When I had the blaster size there, the side arms
1319
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.519
or whatever, that felt better about that because I felt
1320
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:02.199
like I was, Okay, that's a different thing doing it. Okay,
1321
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.920
I don't know, and that's just maybe that's too nitpicky,
1322
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.320
but like it just that's the kind of thing that
1323
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:10.239
they don't build on at all. It makes it worse
1324
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:10.679
to me.
1325
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:17.559
Yeah, man, I don't know. It's just uh, I hate
1326
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:19.920
being hard on this movie because the stuff that I
1327
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:22.559
really like, I do like, which is mostly the cast
1328
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:26.440
having fun. But arguably the cast having fun is also
1329
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.400
part of the biggest problem with the movie because it
1330
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:33.400
just doesn't translate fully, Like why at the beginning of
1331
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:36.679
the movie, do they they go, We basically do the
1332
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:39.920
whole there's an evil ghost in a house thing, and
1333
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.280
people are gonna go see it, you know. So they
1334
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.639
show up at this place, and when they upload the video,
1335
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.280
the only thing everyone is talking about is Aaron's reaction
1336
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:51.960
to the ghost, not the ghost sighting itself.
1337
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:54.039
Right, right, yeah, what?
1338
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:59.000
And again it becomes one of those Oh in the movie,
1339
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.800
ghosts have exist and that everyone is aware, but they
1340
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.400
keep trying to like make it not a thing again,
1341
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:07.960
Why is this just not canid with the original?
1342
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:08.920
Right?
1343
01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:12.400
Absolutely? I will say, like you mentioned it, and I agree,
1344
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:16.399
like you have fun riffing, and that can you When
1345
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.319
the cast is having fun with each other, that can
1346
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:22.439
be contagious and that can work. We are we are
1347
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.239
fans of that. We've talked about it for a lot.
1348
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.359
Kevin Smith movies like that way. Oceans the Oceans franchises
1349
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:29.880
are that way. But the difference is, especially if the
1350
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:34.239
Oceans franchise. The Oceans movies have specific story beats they
1351
01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.560
are working towards. They have a story here here, here, here, here,
1352
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:41.720
We're gonna have fun to get to these places. This
1353
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:45.560
film has like the fun fun, fun, fun fun, and
1354
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.640
the storyline beats are also kind of just like these
1355
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:52.159
like nebulous kind of things, so that's what makes it
1356
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.279
not as fun. So you don't have start an endpoint.
1357
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.600
You don't know where you're starting point or ending point is.
1358
01:08:58.520 --> 01:08:59.680
That's what you need to have.
1359
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:01.439
The was and this kind of and that kind of film.
1360
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:03.800
You're gonna have that kind of rhything thing where you're
1361
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:07.479
gonna catch the characters having camaraderie. You gotta have those
1362
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:08.800
starting points and ending points.
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01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:10.079
M h.
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I did love I will throw out two positive Wise,
1365
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.840
I did actually enjoy the opening. I like the idea
1366
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:19.760
of having this like con this like jokey haunted museum
1367
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.520
kind of thing that into the raw it leads into
1368
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:26.439
the real thing, Like that's a that's a great opening,
1369
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:28.159
kind of like how the opening of the first film
1370
01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:30.520
takes place with the libraries. So I thought there's some
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01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.840
good moments there, but that I was let into up.
1372
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:34.680
That's good, we're gonna get something here. I love that,
1373
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:37.720
and just kind of all went downhill, including by the way,
1374
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:40.760
oh god, that awful like remake of the song.
1375
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:46.119
Yeah, oh it's so bad. That's so bad. I don't
1376
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:46.479
think I.
1377
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.800
Don't think it's necessarily very good either, well.
1378
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:51.880
Because they use like the original at times and then
1379
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:55.199
they fall it might I don't know who it is,
1380
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:56.520
to be honest, I don't know who I know. It's
1381
01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:58.560
like they they actually showed the original at one point,
1382
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:03.039
and then they they use the orchestral or like instrumental
1383
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:07.279
version of the original, and then they throw the fall
1384
01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:08.880
out play version, and I'm kind of like, oh, this
1385
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.560
is just just bad. Just have that one be there
1386
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.159
the entire time at least, don't like use the old one,
1387
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:17.399
which makes it feel like we're can in the universe again.
1388
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.800
And oh god, it's just not good.
1389
01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:27.640
No, they just this is one of those weird ones. Man. Like, again,
1390
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:31.359
the stuff that's really good is really good. But I
1391
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.399
would argue also that the stuff that's bad is so
1392
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:39.720
bad that it hinges it hurts the movie. And again
1393
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:43.760
I don't say this because I feel good about it.
1394
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:48.960
In fact, I don't. I get it's frustrating feeling like
1395
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.560
the stuff that works works well enough, but everything around
1396
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:58.840
it pulls it down, you know, like it just never
1397
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:03.000
fully comes together in a way that feels like compelling
1398
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.359
in it never gets out of its own way. Because
1399
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.119
it never fully knows what it wants to be, and
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01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:13.479
the fact that they even changed the title by the
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01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.680
time the movie came out from just Ghostbusters to Ghostbusters
1402
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.560
answer the call just to try to like basically do
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01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:21.479
damage control.
1404
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:24.479
I don't even know what the damage control was.
1405
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.960
Like, because they're trying to separate it from the original,
1406
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.199
because they're still trying to be like it's its own
1407
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.159
thing and we only called it Ghostbusters and that was
1408
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:36.119
the mistake. So they try to, you know, move it
1409
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.680
in this other direction. But it's like that it's already done,
1410
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:42.000
Like why didn't you just call it that up front?
1411
01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:43.119
Yeah? No?
1412
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.159
And what I mean, I mean we really necessarily get
1413
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:49.560
the title. They're like, aw the call, like are you
1414
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:50.680
talking Chris Hemsworth or.
1415
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:54.239
I mean I know, I know it. Plus we answered
1416
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:55.239
the call to become a Ghostbuster.
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01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:57.560
Ever, but like there shouldn't. There wasn't a call to
1418
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.439
be a Ghostbuster because the Ghostbusters didn't exist this world.
1419
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:03.119
So you're actually just not making it like your work
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01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:05.880
with a franchise again as the like answer the call
1421
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:07.760
Ghostbuster a crowd Ghostbuster?
1422
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:09.960
What call we'll call?
1423
01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:14.520
We answering here, it's just another miss by the way
1424
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.720
Baba Booie joke in twenty sixteen.
1425
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:22.800
Yeah, like yeah, and you know, of course to the
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01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:26.960
Shaka No One. This movie did not perform well. I
1427
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:29.680
mean this movie, this movie was dead on a riot
1428
01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:32.319
and I hate saying it because again, I do think
1429
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:34.600
that the hate for the movie is mostly overblown and
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01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:36.560
it comes from the worst places of the Internet a
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01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.199
lot of the time, and this movie in particular, very
1432
01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:44.359
much did get slammed with that. That first trailer up
1433
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:48.159
Front is still I think in the like arguably top
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01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:52.640
five most disliked videos on YouTube of all time. The
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01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:57.520
reception was so irate at it because of what it was,
1436
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.399
and I never felt like it deserves that because I
1437
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:04.560
don't think it's a bad movie. I just don't think
1438
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:07.079
it's a movie that lives up fully to its own potential.
1439
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.039
And that's because it just couldn't get out of its
1440
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:12.720
own way, and that I think is actually more disheartening
1441
01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:18.119
than anything else, because it did set up the stage.
1442
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:21.880
And Jason Rightman has talked about this. He has thanked
1443
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:25.520
Paul fi since and it said, thank you for allowing
1444
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:28.159
us to believe that anyone can be a ghostbuster. You
1445
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:30.800
kicked the door down to allow us to do this
1446
01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:33.880
and have more women in the movies, even have young
1447
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:38.560
kids in the movies comparatively. Right, So the movie did
1448
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:42.279
the right thing in helping knock those doors down, because
1449
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:49.319
After Life really stars because of its cast. It source
1450
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:51.159
for a lot of reasons, but a big part of
1451
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:53.720
it is the cast. And there's a real chance that
1452
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.680
that wouldn't have happened if this movie didn't exist. There's
1453
01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:57.800
a real chance.
1454
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:01.560
Also had to do it. Unfortunately.
1455
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:05.600
I think the negativity around this film also was one
1456
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:07.760
of the reasons they could bring the real like the
1457
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:11.119
real timeline back. It's kind of like Sony has the IP,
1458
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.000
it want to do something with the IP. This was
1459
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:15.119
kind of a disaster.
1460
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:17.039
Let's be honest. It was a disaster all the way around.
1461
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:19.079
In terms of all around it was the r.
1462
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:21.880
So what else are you gonna do at that point, Well,
1463
01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:23.279
the only thing we can do is a little fan
1464
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.359
service and bring back the original canon, the original original characters,
1465
01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:30.239
get them involved again, and that could be what is
1466
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:32.880
a positive. So in a way, maybe it needed to
1467
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.640
stink in order to like get this because if this
1468
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.800
was successful, this was a big success, would we have
1469
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:42.199
gotten especially because like it's not in canon. Like it's
1470
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.199
not in canon, we would have gotten more of this
1471
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.000
universe and gotten less of it. Wouldn't have gotten After Life.
1472
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:50.279
Probably it wouldn't have been no, it would have been
1473
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:53.600
relegated to Dan Akroyd cameos and these ones, and that
1474
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:56.800
honestly would have been so in a way is I
1475
01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.079
never hope for a movie to fail. I'm kind of
1476
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.479
not upset that this one paved the way at least
1477
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:04.880
getting the After Life back on track.
1478
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:05.720
No.
1479
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:09.119
One hundred percent, And I mean, I still contend I
1480
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.560
think the biggest thing that also made After Life finally
1481
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:15.520
come together was the unfortunate passing of Harold Raymis. I
1482
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:18.600
think that by I mean he'd already passed away before
1483
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:23.600
this one happened. But I think that once Jason was
1484
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.960
more involved, and then this idea that we're going to
1485
01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:31.439
try to do something that honors those original movies, and
1486
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.319
I think that's the difference. And obviously now I'm talking
1487
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.800
about Afterlife again instead of this movie. But I think
1488
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:40.479
the difference is is that that movie spends so much
1489
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:44.840
time honoring the originals while doing its own thing and
1490
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:47.800
like building off of the original movie and like finding
1491
01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:53.600
ways forward while looking backward. This movie doesn't do that.
1492
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:59.239
This movie is trying to be the original while winking
1493
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.239
at the original, while trying to move away from the original,
1494
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:05.479
while saying it's not the original while being the original
1495
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:10.000
It's It just doesn't work in that regard, which is
1496
01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:14.720
so frustrating because the cast didn't deserve this, and that
1497
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.960
comes down solely to the people involved behind the scenes
1498
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.640
who just couldn't get out of their own way. I
1499
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:24.920
don't understand why fig felt he needed to have a
1500
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:30.199
movie that was its own thing. It really should have
1501
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:33.239
been the hard line should have been upfront. This is
1502
01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:36.079
an in canon movie that should have been the hard
1503
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:40.800
line upfront. Saro. I.
1504
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.720
Yeah, I don't. I can't. I can't argue with that
1505
01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:46.439
at all, at all. Nothing else.
1506
01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:50.920
But I don't know, man, Like I don't have a
1507
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:53.319
lot more to say. I think most of the cameos
1508
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:59.239
pulled me out of the movie. I want. Yeah, but again,
1509
01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:02.000
I think that had they been actual characters and not
1510
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:06.000
just to like, not just there just to be there,
1511
01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:12.560
I'd feel differently. I mean, dude, even the Firehouse cameos. Yeah, Like,
1512
01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:15.840
you know what I'm saying, that they do all this
1513
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.039
stuff to try to not be the original and then
1514
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:21.199
just want to be the original.
1515
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:24.359
And they tease that firehouse the beginning too and like.
1516
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:27.279
And I give it to them. At the end, it's
1517
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:29.479
even more, it's like, what you're doing here?
1518
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.800
What are you doing here? I don't get it, no exactly,
1519
01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:38.560
And I again, good cast, but they also needed just
1520
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:43.079
to know when to rain themselves in. They needed to,
1521
01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:48.000
you know, yeah, yeah, I feel so bad. I mean,
1522
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.399
here we are almost a decade later, and I feel
1523
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:54.479
like I'm kicking I'm kicking something that doesn't deserve it.
1524
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:59.840
But also like, I think it's also well, it's better
1525
01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:02.640
to be honest about it and then not pretend that like,
1526
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:07.520
I'm here just right if you had to, Like, I
1527
01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:11.000
don't want to just outwardly praise it, because it does
1528
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:14.840
have issues. It doesn't always work, it doesn't always land.
1529
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.560
The stuff that works is really good, and that's mostly
1530
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:19.920
the cast, But they're also their own worst enemies in
1531
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:24.399
a movie that doesn't edit them down. Or it's so
1532
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.560
hard man, because I like it more than I sound
1533
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:30.039
like I like it. But that's because in this we're
1534
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:32.439
actually having a conversation and I start getting all riled
1535
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:33.920
up about the things that bother me.
1536
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:36.640
Right, It's because like, well, the things that do work
1537
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:39.640
are good, there's not much to talk about with them.
1538
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:43.399
It's like kind of like Chris Hemsworth good, the bad
1539
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.199
things about it still, but I love Chris Hemsworth in
1540
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:49.119
it still before the actor is good, but all this
1541
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:52.920
other stuff surrounding it is bad. So like it sounds
1542
01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:54.640
like we're being like I probably even like it more
1543
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:56.359
than I'm saying too, to be honest with you. And
1544
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:58.079
that's why I feel bad about rating it so low,
1545
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:00.560
because there's I get some genuineaman out of it.
1546
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:03.079
I mean, I watched it with Kim, and Kim hadn't
1547
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.039
seen it before, and she enjoyed it. Oh, it's pretty funny.
1548
01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:07.399
She loved Kate McKinnon is she loved you know those
1549
01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:10.279
macarthinish that those people were hilarious at the time. I'm like,
1550
01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:12.920
I get that, because they were funny at times and
1551
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:14.319
they were enjoying them and everything else.
1552
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:15.760
I just wish I.
1553
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.279
Didn't keep getting reminded of a better film.
1554
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:19.520
I wish that.
1555
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.560
It's just that the script around it was so much
1556
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:24.319
because they deserved so much better.
1557
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:24.960
That's the thing.
1558
01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:28.000
These performance deserves so much better, and maybe it's on
1559
01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:30.840
Fig for like decided to do the Appatau style and
1560
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:34.000
the rifferamic kind of thing. It's not like the girls
1561
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:37.079
can't do that, because I know they can, but it
1562
01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:39.920
just doesn't work when you don't have something to anchor it.
1563
01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:42.119
And this doesn't have anything to anger except for it's
1564
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:44.520
is it or is it not part of the canon?
1565
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.560
Or why isn't it part of the canon? And it
1566
01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:50.560
comes a distraction. That's the whole thing is just a distraction.
1567
01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:57.560
Man, I don't know. It's just like it's just frustrating
1568
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.880
because overall, I feel like people are gonna think we're
1569
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:04.680
dogging on this movie when we aren't, and we've been
1570
01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:06.720
very upfront about the stuff that works and the stuff
1571
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:10.960
we like. I just wish that it had been in
1572
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:13.920
a better movie, and I think I'm always gonna think
1573
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.880
that it was. I always am gonna wish that. I
1574
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:21.039
think that Sony was wrong for not forcing their hand.
1575
01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:24.159
I'll say that I think that Acroyd and them probably
1576
01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:27.359
should have been louder and not blamed Fig after the
1577
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:29.960
fact for everything, because I don't necessarily blame all of
1578
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:33.000
him either, Like they all signed off on the project
1579
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:36.800
that that's how these movies work. All the people involved
1580
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:39.319
have to sign off together like it doesn't just happen.
1581
01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:43.600
So I think that there should have been a lot
1582
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:47.359
more upfront conversations about, hey, this thing has to happen
1583
01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.239
in order for this movie to work. So I don't
1584
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:52.479
blame all the fig I think I actually directed the
1585
01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:55.000
movie beautifully. I think the action sequences are great. I
1586
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:57.039
think a lot of the bits with the characters that
1587
01:20:57.199 --> 01:21:01.079
work are really funny, and that's down to him knowing
1588
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.359
when to have the camera where and how to capture
1589
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:09.000
that on screen. The ghost designs are incredible. But I
1590
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:12.800
really just don't have more to say other than sometimes
1591
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:16.680
it's frustrating seeing the good and the bad all at
1592
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:19.600
once and knowing that people are gonna latch onto this
1593
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:23.720
on either side. Uh to say that we're not right
1594
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:26.359
for whatever thing we have said, even though I think
1595
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:28.399
at the end of the day, we've come to the
1596
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:32.000
kind of place where it's like, actually, man like, we're
1597
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:34.720
very honest, where we see the good and the bad
1598
01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:36.279
and that's the that's the fact.
1599
01:21:37.119 --> 01:21:40.319
We are positive people nature, that is who we are.
1600
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:42.560
We try to have a positive out look and you're
1601
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.199
gonna find that even bad movies will come and we'll
1602
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:46.920
go to bat for some bad movies because they're still
1603
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:49.239
fun or entertaining or engaging, and we'll try to go
1604
01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:50.920
to bat for some things that are in bad movies
1605
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:53.039
that are fun and entertaining hell jims, some things like
1606
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:55.000
in the movies. I hate that I still could find
1607
01:21:55.159 --> 01:22:00.000
that things I like about it. I feel bad about it.
1608
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:02.760
But like I and I already claim, I read talked
1609
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:05.159
about something I actually really loved. I really loved parts
1610
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:08.119
of this movie ingredient. I huldn't say parts movie because
1611
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:10.199
is not even the part is the ingredients. I love
1612
01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:13.439
the ingredients of this movie. I just it doesn't come
1613
01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:17.039
together right at all, and it's just a disaster. Unfortunately,
1614
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:20.800
I have a few quick notes. If you don't have
1615
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:24.479
anything else, Nope, I'm good. The last out last about
1616
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:26.760
quick notes I want to throw out there. I did
1617
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:29.359
get speaking of Doctor Who, I love the autons, we
1618
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:30.840
get the Yeah, I.
1619
01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:33.279
Did mean to bring that up. I always liked that.
1620
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:36.079
I thought that was fun, like what a very that
1621
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:38.479
felt like a very cheeky Doctor Who reference.
1622
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:41.279
Absolutely, I want waiting to see Chris Elston to show
1623
01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:44.359
up randomly somewhere in the background for that one.
1624
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:44.960
I did like that.
1625
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:50.680
I did like the meta humor joke of the Red
1626
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.199
Sox fan. The comedian as the Red Sox fan goes
1627
01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:56.079
and goes, what am I doing in New York? You're
1628
01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:58.600
not in New York, You're in Boston. That was fun
1629
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:00.359
and it's funny and kind of that. I like that,
1630
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:02.600
and that kind of reminded me, honestly, that right there
1631
01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:04.359
reminded me of the first film. I had kind of
1632
01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:06.800
ghost moments of the right film, like they had those
1633
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:07.800
funny bits.
1634
01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:11.399
And stuff like that. I did like that. And uh,
1635
01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:14.039
that's that's about it.
1636
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:19.199
I mean, yeah, man, I really have nothing else to say.
1637
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:23.920
It's just you know, we we've pretty much talked in
1638
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.119
circles around our feelings at this point on it.
1639
01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:30.079
I I just that's it, man, It's threaded time.
1640
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:30.279
Now.
1641
01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:33.560
I've got to rate this summer, bitch, get it out there.
1642
01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:35.600
We always scale things, and one scale one to eleven
1643
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:38.000
here and build Price is always turned things up to eleven.
1644
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:41.560
The original Ghostbusters we both gave a per perch leven. Oh,
1645
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:43.199
by the way, we haven't mentioned this at all. This
1646
01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:46.039
is part of our Ghostbusters slash Men and Black crossover series.
1647
01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:47.640
So we're going to combine the franchises together.
1648
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:49.800
Yeah, we're gonna be talking about Hensworth again next week.
1649
01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:54.520
That's right back to back Helmsworth because he's Black International,
1650
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.239
the lead of International, alongside of the great Testa Thompson.
1651
01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:00.920
But the original Ghostbusters. We both gave a perfect Ghostbusters two.
1652
01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:02.680
I gave an eight point five. You give a six
1653
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:05.199
point five. Men in Black I gave a nine. You
1654
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:07.399
gave you perfect eleven. Men in Black two. I gave
1655
01:24:07.439 --> 01:24:08.319
a six point five.
1656
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:09.159
You gave it an eight.
1657
01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:11.920
Men in Black three. I gave a ten and you
1658
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.079
gave a ten point five. Where are you falling? On
1659
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:16.600
Ghostbusters twenty sixteen?
1660
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:22.039
This is a tough one because I think the some
1661
01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:25.880
of its parts are better than not, but I just
1662
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:29.520
can't like again. Over the last ten years, the stuff
1663
01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.279
I like, I really like. The stuff that I don't
1664
01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:34.199
like has only gotten more aggressive over the last ten
1665
01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:39.479
years in the situations of everything. I think it's a
1666
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:42.760
really good movie. I don't think it's a really great movie.
1667
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.399
But I don't think it's a very bad movie either.
1668
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.800
I think it's just a movie that's at war with itself.
1669
01:24:50.039 --> 01:24:51.359
I'm gonna give it a seven.
1670
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:55.640
Okay, that's a solid number. There's better.
1671
01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.800
I think it just rides that line of being somewhere
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between very good and fine.
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So you like it better than Ghostbusters two?
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Yeah, I would still probably rather watch it than Ghostbusters
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too personally, for all of its faults.
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I gave this a five fair enough.
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I'm not gonna yell at you for it is right,
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but I'm not going.
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To It's actually, this is the first this is the
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first season we've got usually were like so on point.
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We've had a couple of times where not off by
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a ton. It's like I'm giving something before you're giving
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it an eight or nine, but we're definitely off. Like
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again Ghostbusters too, I have much much higher on than
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you were Men in Black. You were higher on Men
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in Black two, you were a little higher on. But
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this is uh what I wanted to give it more,
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and I feel bad, Like I feel like the performances,
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like I would give the cast like a seven or eight,
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but just everything else drags it so far down for me,
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I can't in good faith give anything else. I could
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maybe bump up to five point five, but I'm going
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01:25:57.359 --> 01:25:58.680
to keep out a five for now, I just I
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01:25:58.840 --> 01:25:59.279
can't do it.
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01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:01.239
I can't do it five.
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I look again, I I don't argue with that. Like,
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I get it. I understand. And some people will probably
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think that I'm being too kind to the movie for
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what I've said, But like I do like the movie.
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I have fun watching it. I actually the extended cut
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01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.439
is better than the theatrical cut. It still runs into
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01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:25.439
a lot of the bigger issues. And this actually I
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01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.000
would like to bring this up. I forgot to. I
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01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.359
really like that sequence that was initially cut out of
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01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:34.079
the movie where Hemsworth takes over all the cops and
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01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:37.000
forces them to dance in Times Square. That was cut
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out of the movie. Yeah, so.
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The way, that's what I watched, So that.
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Was that scene was taken out of the movie, but
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then when you watch the credits, it was still in
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01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:51.199
the credit sequence. So it was really weird and really
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01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:56.079
jarring because like, wait, and that's like a huge sequence, right,
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01:26:57.439 --> 01:26:59.439
A lot of money went into that they cut it out,
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And I actually really like that scene. It's really fun,
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01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:05.399
it's really playful. Again, it's one of the moments that
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01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:08.439
makes it feel a little more cartoony, probably, but like
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01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.079
it works it's funny. It helps that you know, Michael K.
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01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:16.640
Williams is front and center of that with Matt Walsh,
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01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:18.520
who are both very funny in this movie.
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01:27:19.119 --> 01:27:21.680
Yeah, but like I didn't you mention them at all? Honestly?
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01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:26.319
No, Well, because they're they're characters. Again, those are great
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01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:30.039
characters who won. There's two things I could say about
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01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:33.079
those characters. One, those characters really should have just been
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01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.880
there if this was in Cannon right and where people
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01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:40.199
who were covering up everything, and or they should have
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01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:42.560
been revealed to be Ben in black right.
1727
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:47.319
Now. Great now, it would have been great. Honestly thinking
1728
01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:48.720
about that, that could have been great.
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01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:54.960
So anyway, I digress. Yeah, that's that, man, that's it.
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The Boks Find Jim.
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01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.279
You guys can find me wherever social media is sold
1732
01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:02.359
at pj Anderscore Campbell. You can find me here hanging
1733
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:06.680
out with this handsome gentleman talking all things movies. Uh
1734
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:08.920
here on this channel. We have a really nice time
1735
01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:12.319
doing that. I hope that you guys are enjoying the
1736
01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:15.119
series as much as we are. If you haven't already,
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01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:19.239
hit like and subscribe and also check out us check
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01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:19.920
out our Patreon.
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01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:22.920
Please thank you dot com slash on the projects.
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01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:25.359
As you can see, I'm missing lights right now. I
1741
01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:27.560
can't afford to have lighting in this room, so you
1742
01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:29.479
need to hit that Patreon link so that we can
1743
01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:30.319
get some lighting.
1744
01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:33.039
MCU, we're doing the MCU rewatch on.
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01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:36.399
Uh watch through, I should say, on on the Patreon
1746
01:28:36.439 --> 01:28:39.119
at this point, which we'll go live, we'll start to
1747
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:41.439
dole them out or like six months ahead, like about
1748
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:43.520
six months to give a tech take. So recorded the
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01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:47.159
back of like April March April somewhere around there. We
1750
01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:50.079
are now actually recording guards at the Galaxy volume two
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01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:50.760
next week.
1752
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:52.399
I believe that's what we're on, right, that's cards and.
1753
01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:57.119
That sounds right because that's that's after Yeah, that sounds right.
1754
01:28:57.239 --> 01:28:59.159
Yeah. So we just finished off the Strange.
1755
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:01.840
So when all of them are from Ironman to Doctor
1756
01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:05.760
Strange already available on the Patreon as of now or
1757
01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:07.479
on the YouTube membership, I should say that as well.
1758
01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:11.600
And uh yeah, we're back in two weeks back on.
1759
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:13.479
The main channel here, continuing like we said with Men
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01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:16.680
and Black International, we've be I'm very interested in rewatching.
1761
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:19.560
I was not the biggest fan when I first watched it.
1762
01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:23.119
Well to see if a second viewing helps that or not,
1763
01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:25.239
I'm hoping at least better than this one for me.
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01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:26.039
That's what I'm hoping for.
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01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:28.760
We'll find out, I guess. I also want to shout
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01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:30.239
out real quicks when I throw it out there, everybody
1767
01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:32.520
who just reached out and let me know and give
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01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:35.000
me positivey thoughts. Obtusly have some stuff going on here,
1769
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:36.880
but is why I've had the schedule be a little
1770
01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:40.039
bit wonky here. This wife has had some surgery issues
1771
01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:42.960
or some hip issues, and it just it's a long process.
1772
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:45.359
I'm going through, go through the whole thing, but it
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01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.640
has caused a little bit me pausing some things here
1774
01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:50.520
and there and trying to reschedule things. Hopefully we'll get
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01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:55.840
back to full usual schedule the next couple of weeks
1776
01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.319
I'm hoping for. We're not going away there RPG and
1777
01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:00.119
I is going to back on that some one definitive one.
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01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:01.800
I'm still doing weekly. I need to keep one at
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01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:04.640
least one. I'm going to keep my Saturday as it were,
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01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:07.479
but you know we're.
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01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:08.760
Gonna review, should come back out.
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01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:11.640
I think we're gonna lego and I'm gonna record on
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01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:15.560
November ninth, resume and I'll go back out that week.
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01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:18.159
Holy snow, I'm not sure. I have to talk with
1785
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:21.239
Matty about that. Are my Star Wars one not this week?
1786
01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:23.560
Will not return this week? Hopefully next week with our
1787
01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:26.960
Lookout visions these theories comes out, I think.
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01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:27.439
Yeah.
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01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:29.600
My Crown Jewels comes out every week. Still mostly I
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01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.279
took a couple of weeks off. I'm gonna get back
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01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:33.560
to that hopefully next week as well.
1792
01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:35.479
But stay tuned all you know. As soon as I know,
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01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:37.680
I try to post up in the community post keep
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01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:39.079
you guys aware things, so I appreciate that.
1795
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.119
But again I appreciate my reaching out and I'm giving
1796
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:42.760
me a positivity. It's always I don't get to hear,
1797
01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:45.920
so thank you very much, and I guess that does it.
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01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:48.279
We will see you next time here, like subscribe all
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01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:50.439
that coup we said before, the comments that helps us
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01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:52.039
fight the algorithm. Let us know what you think about
1801
01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:53.800
this What are you what are your ranking so far?
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01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:57.239
Yeah, and trust me, unless you're being a sexist, more
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01:30:57.319 --> 01:30:58.920
on about it. I do want to hear what you
1804
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:02.279
guys think about this movie. Just don't be a dip ship.
1805
01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:05.159
And I'm gonna say it in the not nicest way. Possible,
1806
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:09.840
because it's only going to you know, you'll prove yourself
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01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:11.439
right in the comments if you act out.
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01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.600
But so do you want to act out that way?
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01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:17.399
Go ahead, I don't care, I'll I can block you
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01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:19.800
this as quickly as anything else can, so it doesn't
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01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:20.279
matter for me.
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01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:22.279
So help me, help help me the algorithm fy?
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Not all right?
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01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:26.600
We'll see you next time here as always, PJ and I.
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Yeah, you guys, my friends,