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Jesus Christ shot right, there is
the mail. Now let's talk about the
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mail. When we talk about the
mail, please, Mac, I'm dying
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to talk about the mail for you
all day. Okay, Pete Silvia,
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this name keeps coming up over and
over again every day. Pepe's mails getting
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sent back to me. Pepey sold
me a pepe SELDA. Look at the
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mail, this whole process. So
I said of myself, I gotta find
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this guy, I gotta go up
to one, I got to put his
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mail in the Guy God damn hands. Otherwise he's never gonna getting it's going
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to keep coming back down here.
So I got the pepper's office, and
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what do I find out? Man? What do I find out? You
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S no peppe. So will be
the man does not exist. Okay,
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so I decide, Ah Shit,
buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper.
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There's no peppy. So do you
got to be Kennys full of Pete
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Wood? All right, episode two
were back. Episode two, season two,
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we are back with Nick and David
and better equipment. Yeah, the
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MIC's all got returned after whate.
We're stolen out of the studio. Yeah,
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last time we were all crowding over
one microphone. So yeah, we
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should sound better. But thanks for
tuning in again if you listen to us
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the first time. Thanks for sticking
with us. Yeah, none of you
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responded to any of my questions,
but okay, there's time. We intagged
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me to facebook post. Yeah,
in Accoi previous guest. We're going to
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have another returning guest on the show
today, but we'll get to that later.
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Yeah, before we get into it
at Nick Dave could show social media.
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You can tune in spotify, Google
podcasts, apple, itunes, right,
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rapple podcast, whatever it's called.
All right, let's just get into
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it. You want to go first, since I lost time? Sure,
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I will go first. Um,
so you have first of all, you're
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a span of soccer. I am. Yeah, you call it soccer football.
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This called soccer because I'm not the
pretension. I sought sock. All
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right. And you have an xbox. I do have an xbox. So
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do you have a FIFA? Do
Have Thee? Which FIFA? So I
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have nineteen. I haven't gotten twenty
yet. I was I did get like
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the Beta preview. So I've played
twenty. It was nineteen. Your first
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one you've owned? No, no, I so I started getting FIFA when
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they still made it for we because
I never had another console growing up.
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Yeah, and one of my I
hope my dad listened to this, because
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one of my like fondest memories is, for Christmas saying that I wanted FIFA
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on the weed but they stopped making
it for we because WHO's playing PIEFA on
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a wee trying to figure out how
many times I can say the world?
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I had Fevu to. Did you
have to? But Yeah, that so
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my dad went out and like searched
and had to buy like a secondhand copy,
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I think. So, I don't
know. You had the go online
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on Ebay basically and like find a
legacy addition FIFA game for the week so
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that I can keep playing it.
That's and that's just like a really pure
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memory I have. So, yeah, I've had it since I think FIFA
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fifteen for to gain, but only
on xbox since like seventeen. Right.
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So I guess I bring that up
because obviously, okay, we'sibout video games.
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Um, this happened a while back. But the you know, EA
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MAKES FIFA. Yeah, right,
and FIFA's a big money maker for them,
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like that big pretender ate. So
much money. And last summer in
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two two thousand and eighteen or nineteen, sorry, the day kingdom's House of
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Commons had EA, who produces people, I guess right, epic Games,
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who produces sport? Okay, to
come in and discuss the use of their
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manipulative micro transactions. So interesting.
I think you know I'm going with this.
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So in FIFA, because I don't
play the current FIVA stuff, right,
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but from my understanding, for my
research and videos I've watched, you
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buy the game, right, it's
like sixty sure, and then what is
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the one? Are the micro transaction
parts in that game. And so micro
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transactions. Those you don't know.
It's like after you buy the game,
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they basically charge you for more stuff, either to get better at the game
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or just cosmetic stuff. So like
if you want the fortnight's a big thing
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with that, right. Yeah,
so what if you better weapons and what
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is available on your feet? But
have you ever buy anything? So FIFA
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basic, I mean it's like everything
else, right, like you can use
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mycro transactions to get a leg up
quickly or just faster, so you don't
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have to. So FIFA has coins
and points and coins you can use in
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the market to buy players items things
like that. And by items I mean
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like training, like experience, you
can out the players or like contracts or
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things like that. And then points
function basically the same way, that you
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can redeem them in stores for packs
and things like that. Other kind of
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interchangeable. I'm not entirely sure what
the distinction is right, but some micro
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transactions in FIFA basically like you can
buy coins or points in order to buy
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packs with higher power players. And
do you know what you're getting in the
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pack or is it a random rule? It's usually a random I mean you
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know what I could write. You
know like the quality you're going to get,
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but you don't know which player or
anything most of the time. And
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have you ever bought anyything? I
have, I think, twice in my
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entire life purchase packs, and they
were both for they were both like I
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just bought a new game and I
needed to like get on the same levels
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as my friends, so I would
I bought like elite player packs just to,
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as you get with you on it, where you just kind of the
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first time I got a legendary Diego
Maridonna, which is ridiculously good luck,
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and the second time I got no, nothing I wanted. Okay, so
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I'm talking about this because, like
I said earlier, so there's been,
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there's a growing, I guess you
could say, epidemic of, you know,
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kids buying these games, playing these
games. So I'm used to be
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food for that and not realizing how
much money they're spending when they're purchasing these
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macro transaction stuff, right. And
so the United Kingdom had these game people
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come in because they wanted to just
it wasn't like a, you know trial,
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it was just a hearing, right, and so the House of Commons
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brought them in. They were like
we just want to learn about what going
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on. We can try to work
something out, that kind of thing.
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And so the parliament asked the epic
games person, you know, like what
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is this stuff of fortnight and you
like, where are these loop boxes?
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And the EPIC Games spokesperson was like
we don't call them loot boxes. We
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look at it as surprised mechanics,
which was blew up. It's like a
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big meme. You can google it
because it's so funny, because the only
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surprise you get is having your bank
account right sky rocket with, you know,
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and the fall philosophies that you you
spend more money so you get an
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advantage of the game and it literally
has no outside value. And he says
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it like FIFA, because they release
a game every single year. It's the
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say can't transfer over the engineering.
Have the same people spending the same money
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every year. Right. And so
then they asked the epic Games guy.
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They said, you know, has
any research been done in psychology, like,
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you know, how often does a
frequent player by micro transaction stuff?
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Sure, and the epic Games spokesperson
said, you know, we could.
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We consider that commercially sensitive information is
typically not shared. Of course it's not
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shared because they're literally using psychology.
You know, you get a box and
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it opens up with like Christmas,
you know, Confetti, like it's all
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these like cool effects and everything.
You know, they're literally slob machines because
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you don't know what you're gonna get
right, and so you know, they
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basically are not saying anything. You
know, they brought into random people to
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just kind of blow it off,
you know, because they obviously these companies
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recognize it's a problem, you know, and the problem that I have with
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it is that it's really tarnishing the
video game industry in that like when I
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grew up, we had no micro
transaction stuff until maybe, you know,
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six, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
years old, right. And now,
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like this last summer, like I
did some freelance work and did some text
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stuff from people's homes round the neighborhood
and I met kids of these families and
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like this. One of the people
I worked with, she was like,
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yeah, my son spent nine hundreds
on for tonight last month. That's why
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I'm saying take my card off the
account. But he still plays like there's
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not like this. You know,
if I spent nine hundred, yeah,
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I would be like forget the whole
everything would be out, like my parents
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would. You know what I mean. And so I know you play video
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games. Yeah, but I'm wondering, like, you know, politicians bring
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this in and there's all there's a
heated debate about all sorts of stuff,
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of video games, but right now, like what are your thoughts on this?
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Because my concern is, okay,
you got the UK parliament coming in
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trying to set the record straight.
You know, in Belgium they straight up
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band all micro transaction stuff. But
I'm worried about in like the US,
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if the government steps into control video
game stuff, I'm worried that it could
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be detrimental and that they might then
say, okay, if you make video
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games, you can't have such and
such content, aside from saying right,
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cut the micro transaction stuff. So
I'm curious what your thoughts on that whole.
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Do you hear about this come up
in your own and other stuff?
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Like? Not Really. I mean, so they're they're before we'd talked about
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government or whatever. They're two things. I mean just to like clarify,
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right that like there are some professional
people that play these games, like ranked
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players, but right the vast majority
of people are playing just to have fun,
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right, and when you when you
include micro transactions, at a certain
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point you can't play the game,
especially if it's an online game and you're
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competing with other people who are using
micro transactions. Basically you have to buy
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them to keep up, right,
and if you're someone who's just playing for
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fun, that makes the game unplayable
if you're not willing to to spend that.
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And so I don't know. I
would just worry from from these companies
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perspective. I know they're thinking about
like, oh, we're going to make
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money off everyone who's buying these games
and who is a regular player all that,
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but like, I would worry that
you're turning potential new customers away,
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because anyone who just starts playing video
games and is just starting to get into
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it, like the reason I don't
spend a lot. I think I'd spend
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more if I had an xbox for
a longer period of time. But like
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when I got it my freshman or
here at college, I wasn't right,
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you know, not even like I
wasn't expecting to have to spend more money
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in the game, and so every
time I saw opportunity for a mini transaction,
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I was like fuck that, like, why am I go? Why
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would I spend more money? So
I think, I think there's a chance
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that they're losing a huge demographic here, which is interesting. I don't know.
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So are you're worried that they're gonna
like if the government steps in?
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The regulated it's so, okay,
so we have the es or be sure,
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right, and so that's like the
what's the movie thing? And the
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and movie pictures? Yeah, yeah, so they it's a rating system for
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video games of ETM, right,
and they kind of like how the do
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in Hollywood. They're like, Hey, listen, we're going to self regulate,
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right, we're going to make sure
video games are cool and all that.
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But there's the a lot of the
people on the board of EA,
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for on the board of the ES
or be interesting. Tell me why that's
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right. there. There's a little
bit of it's not, you know,
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and the ES ARV has been constantly
saying hey, like from people saying can
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you please, what? Can we
change something? You know, I can
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set it on the back of the
game saying like, you know, e
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foreverone or whatever, t like Blood
Gore, and then they write a little
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I was like loop boxes. Yeah, your parents don't know what the hell
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loot what that means. If you
wrote like slot machine or gambling. Right,
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I promise you. People like my
kid is not playing that game.
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Yeah, right, and so I
but at the same time, like for
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me, like I just I feel
like politicians. So, like, I
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mean, okay, you know,
Donald Trump said he spoke out against violent
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video games and attributed gun violence to
videos, which is a totally other topic
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and not to get into. There's
been other examples with not but it is
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essentially a slobs chand gambling illegal and
a lot of the country. I just
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feel like a lot of politicians,
and I might be wrong, but I've
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tried to find, you know,
research, but I there's not a lot
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of politicians who either play video games
or have experience with, like the knowledge
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about it. Yet maybe that generation
is coming up. So, I mean
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a lot of politicians are older.
What right, man, who just don't?
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I've never had that chance. Like
it's a different generation. Yeah,
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it's really interesting, though, like
what would you say? What would you
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think, if I mean, do
you even care about the industry enough?
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I guess wait to let us relation. Yeah, I'M gonna ridicule you for
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a second. You buy this game? Yeah, FIFA, sure, but
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nick, every year to get the
new roster, you have to buy it
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again, right, that's crazy.
I haven't bought it this year. For
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that way, how many phobus have
you had one? No, no,
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on it. I mean no,
I'm sorry. Like, have you ever
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bought two consecutive like have do you
get Fiva eighteen and nineteen? Yes,
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what were the differences between those two
games? Sides from the roster, right,
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so the Ross, I mean,
obviously, yeah, rosters updated.
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There's like career mode or not.
Career mode whatever. The story is,
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Alex Hunter. He's like the the
poster boys. You get to play as
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like up and coming player, like
making decisions, but management. So that's
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the main thing, okay, but
other than that there weren't I mean there
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was some some gameplay a smoother and
like it, like CGI is better,
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but like, there weren't that many
differences in Gameplay, which is why I
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haven't bought the two thousand and twenty. They just they need to charge.
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They should. I don't think they
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I know it's thirty. It got
it because I get really cause I
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fuck the last two. I got
an offer popped up for oh no,
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that was like you can get the
the twenty, four thirty because you're loyal
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or whatever. So they're really trying. I mean I think that tells just
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the value of the production of the
game. Yeah, I'm, I know,
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going all over the place, but
that tell me about let's I think.
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I think that I would support that
right because it's a predatory like you're
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you're using like gambling manipulative psychology on
younger people who were still developed like that's
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just seems predatory to me. So
I think I would support that. Yeah,
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and honestly, like, I think
that's what ultimately needs to happen now.
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But I just like, like,
if that were to happen, I
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think it would also bleed into other
sections. And then you have the whole
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problem with like what kind of content
can game developers create? What kind of
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story short tell about being, you
know, super censored? Like China has
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same video games. We do a
lot of them. They're not allowed,
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like they're just banned. But take
this video games that we have here in
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China. They're literally parts and sayments
and lines like deleted. That's crazy,
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because they go through all I've been
say yes, no, whatever, right.
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I mean, I think call of
duty is band. There are steps
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between free market and like sis for
everything, though. I hope so.
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I don't know. I just yeah, so I thought it was interesting.
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Is really interesting. I know.
Yeah, Huh, I would. That's
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really huh. Genuinely wow. Okay, when I watch the debates, yeah,
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I mean I don't I don't want
just sitting there being like no,
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I'm watching them, but right whenever
someone says view games, like, I
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literally like that drop everything. I
don't pay attention to I pay attention to
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it. But I like go nuts
when I hear her back because I want
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to know, you know, like
what they're thinking and you know, and
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and it's it's interesting. Like Elizabeth
Warren has also said by video games need
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to be banned from Walmart. We
going to get rid of this stuff.
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And I've been like, you know, that's my personal thing. I'm like
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yes, like, no, you
know whatever it's. So I just like,
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I guess I'm excited for the next
generation. Right. So hopefully will
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not also just be then the future, also old shirt men who are just
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well, and it's like, like
you've seen the facebook hearings were basically Mark
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Suckerberg is explaining the Internet to senators
exactly, like it's just they just don't
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get it. Yeah, Huh okay, yeah, really cool. Yeah,
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but I'M gonna jump into my topic, but one of my topics. But
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before I keep going, I want
to tell anyone listening at this point that
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you should strap in because this episode
might be a little longer. But I
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think that corrupt. If I'm wrong, I think they have been. are
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both feeling it right now. So
we're going to make a good one.
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Yeah, it's gonna give us,
gonna be a good one. All right,
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we had to get back in the
group. Yeah, it took a
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minute and I'm not stay stages away
from the Ekes. I have space to
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think, right. We're not like
pressed up against each other anymore. Okay,
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all right, first thing I want
to talk about. Have you heard
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of the circle? We're not talking
about the shape right now. Not The
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shape. Give me, I'm not
henory. Is it about? It's a
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reality show on Netflix. There's that's
also all. You mentioned. It different.
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Yes, there's a book, not
directly related that. There's a book
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about Social Media and like digital presence
called the circle. That's really good.
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My parents made me read it and
I actually really liked it, so I'm
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putting that out there as a recommendation. So netflix series based on kind of
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it's like loosely inspired by I think
so, essentially, and I'm only on
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episode five, but I think I've
got enough to talk about it. So
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essentially it's a reality show. There
eight contestants and that number kind of changes.
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New People are introduced throughout the season
and some people leave, but basically
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each contestant is locked in a different
kind of isolated apartment in the same building
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competing for a hundred thousand dollar cash
prize. Okay, count it's and so
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they can only communicate through what they
call the circle, which is this kind
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of like specially created social media platform
for the game. And now it's object
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is to get out of the object
is to be the last person in the
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game and to be the last.
So the best staying in exactly. So
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I'll explain how I keep going.
So the circle is this kind of social
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media program but it's very limited as
to what you can show other people.
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So you can only pick at first, when you first start, you can
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only upload one photo and write a
profile and then you can start doing status
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updates and then you can add another
photo and like people who win mini games
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in the show can add like videos
or thinks. So it's like very carefully
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curated and there's very limited interaction.
And then you can also group chat private
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message, but only through text.
And this is a side note, but
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it's presented as though it's speech to
text on the show, but if you
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look closely or even if you just
keep watching, there's no way the speech
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to text is that good. So
I googled it and it's been confirmed that
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it's literally like a bunch of people
in other rooms, like translating everything that
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people say into text in a live
time, which is hilarious to think about.
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So every so often on the show
all the contestants are asked to read
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each other and the top two people. Nothing happens to the bottom of the
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top two people get blue check marks
and they become the influencers. So like
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social media, like instagram or whatever. And so the influencers get a special
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dinner and they get to go into
a room, not like not they can't
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see each other, obviously, that
they can talk just one on one and
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pick another contestant to kick off or
to block from the show. And so
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and whoever, whoever gets kicked off, gets to meet pick one person to
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meet, like facetoface, and talk
to I and then they get to leave
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a video message that the next day
is played for everyone and the circle.
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And so here's the thing, and
you might have picked up on this now,
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because you're only showing a few videos
and everything's text based. No one
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has any idea who you are.
You can be anyone you want in the
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show. So there are hell of
people catfishing each other right now where I'm
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at. So there's there are.
I mean there are a lot of people
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you just using fake photos like that
they find online. M almost everyone is
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lying about being single. A lot
of them are either married or in committed
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relationships, but they're afraid that they
say that, no one will talk to
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them or they'll vote them out ready. Yeah, so you've got like Karen,
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just got voted off them, watching, but she's playing as like a
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basically she's kind of a bigger lesbian
woman from New York. She's playing as
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a skinnier woman in her sadies his
photos she just found somewhere. There's a
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guy named Adam or Alex who's playing
as a Guy Need Adam, and he's
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using again. He's like married,
like recently, Mary. He's got two
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cats. He's really nerdy. He's
playing he's got found this guy's profile.
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It's like he's gorgeous and he's playing
as him. There's a woman, Shawn,
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doing the same thing. My favorite
right now is there is a maybe
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twenty thirty something africanamerican dude named ceburn
playing as a girl named Rebecca, using
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his girlfriend's photos and videos. Oh
my God, so everyone's just straight up
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catfishing each other. Yeah, and, like I said, New People turn
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up, people give vote it off, and so I guess it's a really
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interest's kind of trashy. It's edited
like a Korean game show, but it's
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so addicting, and so I guess
my first question is, would you go
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on the show? So is the
point there isn't make sure. The point
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of this show basically, because you
can just tell you can be who you
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want, like you're trying to make
everyone else like you through this limit is
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right, man, some people are
being themselves and some people are being people
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that they think other people will like, right. Yeah, I mean that
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will honestly be a really cool class
activity. Yeah, like a media class.
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Yeah, thinking something, even though
people, you know, just hurt
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people, right about? But that's
really interesting because I would yeah, I
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should watch that because, you know, I am in my world career stuff,
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looking at like how people carry themselves, how yeah, but he's represent
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themselves and stuff and he could be
so far from the truth and either people
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maybe know that they except right or
they're like they just kind of worry.
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Yeah, you know, that's really
interesting. And so how many seasons are
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there? Are you also was only
one right now. I think this is
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a US version so there might be
other like British. Are People, being
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honest, getting kicked or so?
It's interesting. So I've only seen three
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people kicked off so far, okay, and the very first person to get
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kicked off was this woman named a
Lana Elena, forget, I think Alana,
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and she was genuinely a like blond
American bombshell instagram model who had been
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offered like a spot in the playboy
centerfold, and everyone thought she was fake
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because she chose to come on by
as herself. So they voted her off
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immediately and then she got to leave
them a video message and everyone's like off,
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fuck, like we've messed that up
right of the second person voted off
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was similar kind of thing. Everyone
thought he was a catfish because he was
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a professional basketball player named Antonio,
and so all his photos he's like working
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out or in like Barcelona. You've
not been playing. The US play and
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Europe so professional. I don't know, but everyone thought he was a catfish
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and they voted him off and then
he got to leave a message and was
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like y'all fucked up, and they're
like, Oh shit. And then the
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third person they voted off, Mercedes, turned out to be a catfish.
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So they're they're like one hundred forty
three right now, which is really interesting.
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Well, it's like, I mean
that's like on tinder, like stuff
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like that. On facebook or Instagram, you people follow you, yeah,
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and then like bots or whatever and
like, like I've had I've had like
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instagram follow request from people who like, I mean it's totally a snapped image
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of somebody else, that it's like
a model or something, and it's like,
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you know, whatever, and then
I don't even think twice about I'm
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like, yeah, I know,
that's spam. Three, just right and
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no part of the every wonders.
Like I mean in that case you know.
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But I also know on tinder,
isn't there, like I know there's
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like measures to prevent this, but
isn't there like one in a hundred swipes
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or something you'll find a fake?
I bet it's more than that. Not
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like a troll account, like like
a shark gun or something. That's just
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like a like as someone is not
real. Yeah, someone trying to pretend
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like there's somebody else. Yeah,
probably. Yeah. Would you? Would
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you not on tender, but in
this game that he said You'd go on
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it? Would you play as yourself. Yes, but I would I would
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probably amplify right stuff. Would you
say they would you tell people you're in
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a relationship? So, okay,
I have a question. Yeah, if
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the point is to be the last
one on the show, then don't.
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Why do they? Why are they
like, Oh man, we voted off
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this almost played by model and basketball
player. I don't I don't think they're
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upset because they vote them off.
I think they're upset because there are they
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know that there are catfish in the
game. They're trying to get rid of
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them first. You know what I
mean? Wait to this. Does this
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show say, okay, guys,
there's two cant fishing people in the know,
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but it's pretty obvious, like,
I mean if you're if you can't
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see anyone, you're going to assume
that someone in there is. But you
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want people to like you. Yeah, Oh, I okay, yeah,
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I'm over thinking it. Um,
I don't know who the other people are.
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NOPE, like it could be someone
saying they're me with all my pictures,
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but it could be like Morgan,
is one of the things that really
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relationship status? Yeah, yeah,
it's like you have to answer. Probably
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not, because when you look at
social media if your profile picture is with
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your significant other. Right. Well, okay, it's weird because, you
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know what, not a lot of
people follow me on instagram. I ustre
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Shit, but I follow all this
car stuff and whatever. But when I
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post a picture of like something in
the world really cool, like yeah,
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car or ocean or something, I
get like fifteen likes, which is like,
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you know, Adiogre, for be. But then I post picture with
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Morgan, it's so I gets seventy
likes, adding more, more out go
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s me's yeah, right. But
I know for a fact that when you're
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you know, like when you meet
someone that you might be interested in and
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you go on the you stock them
and you're like, oh, shoot,
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they have a wide think another right, and so then you're like I think,
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I think maybe you get more likes
when you post a photo with someone
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else just because you got their whole
network. So it depends on if the
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group, I guess in that instant, because no one knows. He's right.
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Bet there. Yeah, there's no, like all, it looks so
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cute. I'm right, vote for
them. No, it's like it's like
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I can kind of yeah, I
can't talk to them or whatever. Yeah,
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I probably would it, because I
make things complicated right on social media.
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Yeah, I think. Yeah,
it's a really interesting show concept and
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I think also, I mean this
is a very small thing, but I
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think that they're there's like, I
don't know that it's intentional, but there's
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this kind of trend throughout the show, especially with all the catfish, where
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they're like it seems like they're trying
to portray social media as this negative thing
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where like you can't trust anyone and
people are dishonest and all that. But
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I also think that they're making a
point, maybe accidentally, about the benefits
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of social media and like people who
don't feel comfortable admitting who they are in
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their own community in real life can
just go on and express themselves and be
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who they really like. I think
that it's a double edged sword and I
409
00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:14.779
don't know that the show is trying
to say that, but it's coming across
410
00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:21.609
right. But yeah, it's just
I got addicted like literally Monday. Someone
411
00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:23.609
showed me the first episode and I'm
already on episode five and they're like an
412
00:27:23.650 --> 00:27:27.130
hour long. So I'm like blazing
through this, especially with all the other
413
00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:30.440
work I have. Yeah, but
it's kind of addicting and then I was
414
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.240
just talking about it more with someone
else, because I think I'd be really
415
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.440
good at it. I think I
go on as myself and just kill everyone,
416
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:38.000
but I think, yeah, but
would you enhance yourself a little?
417
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.279
Probably, I mean you'd have to, I feel like. I mean,
418
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.359
you know, when you go on
a first date or if you talk to
419
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.670
somebody that you're trying to like,
you don't have to like share this,
420
00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:51.390
but like if you've ever like I
feel like, I mean I should.
421
00:27:51.430 --> 00:27:53.789
I have, if I when I
admit I meet people on like a first
422
00:27:53.829 --> 00:27:59.500
date, I'm maybe more nice than
usual, right or whatever. Like I'm
423
00:27:59.539 --> 00:28:03.859
also like say, Oh, yeah, like I do this or are you
424
00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.380
interested in that? Yeah, totally, like, you know, maybe I
425
00:28:07.460 --> 00:28:10.859
know a little bit about it,
but like I can then get into it
426
00:28:10.940 --> 00:28:12.650
on the spot, I feel.
Yeah, it's like the save. Do
427
00:28:12.809 --> 00:28:18.569
People do that? Yeah, at
some level I would do it. Yeah,
428
00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:26.289
it's all about deception. Yeah,
it definitely is. It's funny.
429
00:28:26.329 --> 00:28:29.240
It's just funny to me that they've
kicked off to real people and the dude
430
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.039
pretending to be a woman is still
and it's there. It's Hilarious to why
431
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.960
every time it gets invited to like
an all girls group chat on it.
432
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.599
Can't stop laughing it's so funny.
Say, it's called the circle. Yeah,
433
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:44.950
the Sir on Netflix streaming now.
So that's it. We're going to
434
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take a quick break and then we'll
come back and get straighty to date this
435
00:28:47.630 --> 00:28:52.750
topic. I'll do my last one
quickly and then we'll cover gust on denvil
436
00:28:52.750 --> 00:29:17.569
over guests. Yeah, all right, welcome back, we're back. Glad
437
00:29:17.690 --> 00:29:22.730
you asleep with yeah, so with
us and hopefully enjoyed whatever I'm going to
438
00:29:22.769 --> 00:29:26.480
put in that break. Post production. Yeah, we'll figure it out.
439
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:33.680
So I want to talk about when
you see a young person, you like,
440
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:40.269
let's say twenty two, twenty six
or Eve or twenty thirty, okay,
441
00:29:40.509 --> 00:29:45.950
and you see them with a really
expensive role x or something or like,
442
00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:51.789
yeah, Ferrari or like Gucci stuff, or likes like really fancy you
443
00:29:51.829 --> 00:29:53.859
know, were sitting in first shut
class on the plane, right, like
444
00:29:55.619 --> 00:30:00.460
doing like fancy stuff. What do
you say, proudly? I mean usually
445
00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:03.180
that they come from a lot of
money. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
446
00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:07.690
like the family business or something.
Okay, so I want to explore this
447
00:30:07.410 --> 00:30:11.130
philosophical thing I was thinking about.
Right, okay, this mostly has to
448
00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:17.250
do with B Nics do a lot
of things actually. So I think,
449
00:30:18.490 --> 00:30:21.920
and there's flaws in this, but
hear me out right, I think that
450
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.680
society has it backwards because, let's
say, you know how we're all like
451
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.440
yeah, you work and then you
retire and you have money you saved and
452
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.680
then you can like enjoy the things
in life. Okay, you know what
453
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.829
I mean. Yeah, so,
like what's the stereotype of that? Like
454
00:30:36.430 --> 00:30:40.109
you get the Nice Ferrari and you
get them nice watch and all this stuff
455
00:30:40.150 --> 00:30:42.109
that, when you're not old,
it's not like you've made you're done,
456
00:30:42.230 --> 00:30:45.869
like bright, you have done,
but like you're when when that old,
457
00:30:45.869 --> 00:30:52.019
you're dead. You're dead, like
you know you you don't see that many
458
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:57.579
eight year olds driving Ferrari's because they
can't get that. They can't squat down
459
00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:03.289
that right right where. They don't
wear damn crazy watch or something, or
460
00:31:03.369 --> 00:31:07.849
like travel the world that much or
whatever, because like they're like super old,
461
00:31:08.210 --> 00:31:11.130
you know, and then stay you
know, and all there's exceptions that
462
00:31:11.250 --> 00:31:18.130
stuff like that, but I'm wondering
if so, here's the thing. Let's
463
00:31:18.210 --> 00:31:22.839
say flip side. You're like mid
s sure, and you don't want to
464
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.759
say like Mark Suckerberg, like I'm
not talking that exceptionally rich, but like,
465
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.950
you know, you made you're you
you found some niche thing and you're
466
00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:37.470
really good and what you do and
you say, okay, I got this,
467
00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:41.150
I got some money. I want
to I really want to buy,
468
00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:45.470
or at least a convertible, like
really cool from or I want to get
469
00:31:45.470 --> 00:31:52.460
this watch. If I was in
a situation, I wouldn't because everyone I
470
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:56.539
sees me, especially like my would
be like, what is this kid doing?
471
00:31:56.380 --> 00:32:00.700
You know that there's no way,
right. And so then I wait
472
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:02.529
till him eighty and then people say
yeah, yeah, look at that.
473
00:32:02.609 --> 00:32:06.690
All the guy though, but he
can't even like you know what I mean.
474
00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:12.410
Yeah, it's so I'm wondering if
we're ever going to get in a
475
00:32:12.650 --> 00:32:17.839
point in life, if this ever
is possible, where we don't automatically look
476
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.839
at people and say, Oh my
God, look at that guy, right
477
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.119
girl, like they're come from their
parents buddy and they're not working and like,
478
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.519
you know whatever. Well, because, like I don't want to say
479
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.470
I have this problem because I don't, you know, but yeah, I
480
00:32:32.910 --> 00:32:37.549
shout out a condition. Yeah,
I mean literally were guest, like if
481
00:32:37.750 --> 00:32:45.660
I were to you know, like
being looked at right, like buying flashy
482
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:49.140
stuff is going to make you get
looked at right. I think, I
483
00:32:49.299 --> 00:32:53.180
it's more acceptable the older you are, sure, because you say, okay,
484
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:57.259
yeah, like there's their parents are
dead, like you can't you know
485
00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:59.569
what I mean? You think so
I have to. I have to response
486
00:32:59.609 --> 00:33:02.329
to this, responses to this one
that's just a broad thing about flashing wealth
487
00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:06.690
like that, and one that's about
the age thing. I feel like a
488
00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:10.490
lot of people judge anyone studying money
like that because, like, if I
489
00:33:10.569 --> 00:33:13.599
were to, if I were to
spend my money like that right now,
490
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.720
everyone would be I don't think it
would be so much you're I mean it
491
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.400
would be you're the wrong age to
be doing this, but less because of
492
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.680
the age itself and more because,
like, I don't have a job yet,
493
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.000
like land, I haven't landed the
job yet, I don't know where
494
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.150
I'm living, like I think that
there's a point like you have to have
495
00:33:29.190 --> 00:33:31.470
a certain amount of stability right and
your life to be able to do that.
496
00:33:31.549 --> 00:33:34.910
So I think that's the first reason
people look at you, because it's
497
00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:37.829
like, like there's always a question
of like do you really have enough money
498
00:33:38.109 --> 00:33:43.779
and comfort and stability to be doing
this right, which is maybe a dumb
499
00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:47.059
question that we all ask, but
like there's that. The other thing is
500
00:33:47.140 --> 00:33:52.819
that people, I think, I
mean this is this is like this is
501
00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:58.289
there's this whole political thing right now
about like ether rich. We're like all
502
00:33:58.369 --> 00:34:00.970
the the people in the world,
all the like the top one percent,
503
00:34:00.089 --> 00:34:07.329
could end poverty, could end like
it's starvation. Yeah, like basically end
504
00:34:07.490 --> 00:34:09.480
climate change, but they don't.
Because so I think that's the other part
505
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.599
of it, right, is that, like, if you have this money,
506
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.320
why are you spending it on this
stuff? And I don't know that
507
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.199
that has an age thing and that's
maybe a like a pessimistic yeah you,
508
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:23.869
but I don't know. I mean, like I really do get what you're
509
00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:27.710
saying, because, like I rather
have it for now than when I'm ninety
510
00:34:27.949 --> 00:34:31.030
and like unable to drive or see. But like being seen your inn underground
511
00:34:31.110 --> 00:34:36.710
college. It would feel good.
Because now what are we like? Right,
512
00:34:36.789 --> 00:34:38.219
so there's a moral thing there.
We're like we're making people feel bad
513
00:34:38.420 --> 00:34:42.019
who maybe shouldn't feel bad, but
then maybe they should feel bad because you
514
00:34:42.019 --> 00:34:45.300
could put all that money to like
stop the fires that are killing every animal
515
00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:51.739
and Australia. Right, I don't
know, Huh. I just like I
516
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:58.610
feel like there's a, you know, something that's not changed yet and all
517
00:34:58.690 --> 00:35:02.289
the issues going on in the world. This is not any short where you're
518
00:35:02.289 --> 00:35:08.599
important, but it's interesting because I
know, like technologies change, media's change,
519
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.519
like our tastes and what we like
of change, like we don't buy
520
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.599
music anymore. Yeah, we that's
just access to it. Yeah, right,
521
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.079
YEP, so we're we're going to
talk about that little good. What
522
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:29.070
we went hasn't changed is the theory
of like who has what is socially,
523
00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.469
you know, culturally acceptable right for
who to do what with their money,
524
00:35:32.750 --> 00:35:36.739
which is interact age. Yeah,
because there's a lot of people, and
525
00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:38.980
I do it to like if I
see somebody with like, you know,
526
00:35:40.699 --> 00:35:45.780
like there's a kid with the Tesla, there's just tests on campus. I
527
00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:49.579
don't I don't know who it is, but yeah, I assume like wow,
528
00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:52.210
like that's just right. There there's
just you know, whatever, and
529
00:35:52.289 --> 00:35:55.010
there they might be great people,
you know, but I have this like
530
00:35:55.170 --> 00:36:00.130
Starky, like inner dialog at the
same time. Wouldn't you get a Teslo
531
00:36:00.130 --> 00:36:01.449
if you could? I mean you
might not just re card, but like
532
00:36:01.489 --> 00:36:05.079
I would get know exactly like if
it was. Yeah, and so that's
533
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.920
totally hypocritical and I but I wouldn't
want people to be like, oh,
534
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:14.440
man, you know, but that
happens, right. And so, but
535
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:20.030
it's also interesting because, like,
I feel like what Gen Z and like
536
00:36:20.150 --> 00:36:24.510
billennials even maybe like what their taste
is, is also like rapidly changing.
537
00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:31.710
Sure that's definitely true with anything like
we don't like. I think I could
538
00:36:31.710 --> 00:36:35.579
say that if you had, how
much does it cost to go to like
539
00:36:35.739 --> 00:36:38.300
coach Ola or something? Oh God, thousand dollars. Yeah, but unders
540
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:42.980
at least. Let's say you had
two thousand dollars, but the whole week
541
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.059
and a weekend and coach Ola or
spend that money to go to like,
542
00:36:45.619 --> 00:36:51.369
I don't know, Italy for a
weekend or something. I think you could
543
00:36:51.409 --> 00:36:53.449
make the stereotype and like too,
are like go like Romans. I think
544
00:36:53.489 --> 00:37:00.289
you'd seriously assume that like sixty percent
of people would pick the coach Heleng thing,
545
00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:04.480
right, oh really, that's I
think. So our generation. Yeah,
546
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.320
because I don't think that that's not
what you were going the other way
547
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.480
with that. No, because I
think that US were more like I wouldn't
548
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:14.840
do that, but I think that
what we because that's it's expensive to go
549
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.869
to coacher, know for sure.
But when you tell someone, yeah,
550
00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:20.510
I'm going to coach Ol this week, I'd like, I don't think,
551
00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:22.590
like wow, how did you afford
right, right, I don't think that's
552
00:37:22.630 --> 00:37:25.110
true. If you get box seeds
to a basketball game, I'm like,
553
00:37:25.190 --> 00:37:28.389
Oh my God, what the Heck
Are you? You know what experience?
554
00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:32.900
So experience versus like material yeah,
we're even like high culture, experience versus
555
00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:37.539
low culturally. Right, coach like
family culture. Nine hundred dollars and micro
556
00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:42.019
transactions. Yeah, exactly. No
one will know. Like daggerly. I
557
00:37:42.099 --> 00:37:44.849
forgot to say this earlier, by
the way, but check black. HMM.
558
00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:47.289
You see this? His son spent
like tenzero and micro transactions. You
559
00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:50.369
know, I did. Yeah,
it's all right. I just wanted to
560
00:37:50.369 --> 00:37:52.969
say that. I've got to say
early. Yeah, yeah, it's you
561
00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:58.599
know, but what you spend your
money in is totally it's just like,
562
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.880
you know, all you're flying right, first class bill your bougie. Well,
563
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.360
I'm not talking about myself. I'm
saying like someone does that, well
564
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:12.679
then maybe, but they don't do
something else right, you know, what
565
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.469
I mean. It's just about where
you want to put your money. Yeah,
566
00:38:15.550 --> 00:38:17.869
and your time and energy. Yeah, that's Huh. There's just it
567
00:38:17.989 --> 00:38:22.789
was just a thought I had because
I wonder if that will change. Well,
568
00:38:22.789 --> 00:38:24.190
you definitely see it on college campus
as too, because it's such a
569
00:38:24.349 --> 00:38:29.420
big like gap between people who are
like struggling to it forward, to be
570
00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:31.500
here, and then the people who
are like payingful tuition. Creek group out
571
00:38:31.539 --> 00:38:37.139
with notes that spend like a thousand
dollars to less here because they're not nationally
572
00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:38.820
affiliated. But yeah, it's less
a lot, but it's a way.
573
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:43.610
That's definitely a lot. What is
it normally? And Yeah, like a
574
00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:47.210
thousand. You could buy a freaking
new laptop for though. Yeah, it's
575
00:38:47.250 --> 00:38:51.690
why laptop people say, Oh my
God, you got yourself and sharp here
576
00:38:51.769 --> 00:38:52.809
a freak group. No one says
that, but Noo, it's that's just
577
00:38:52.849 --> 00:38:57.280
like an expected thing, right,
money's it's all the same currency, right.
578
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.159
So I think it's interesting to just
think about, you know, like
579
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.440
how different uses did. Yeah,
so we have like a reunion and I
580
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.119
come, we all come back,
right, and your turn driving a for
581
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.269
Arita. You know, maybe you
guys went all over the world for like
582
00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:14.670
a Gar and traveled and stuff and
I just was a hermit, say at
583
00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:16.150
my house, but I use that
money. They save a lot of money.
584
00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:20.429
And a Ferrari. That is was
thinking about, huh or an espressial
585
00:39:20.510 --> 00:39:24.219
machine, Tristan? Yeah, at
Triston, those are expensive. First guest
586
00:39:24.780 --> 00:39:30.699
ever on the show. All right, all right, I'm going to take
587
00:39:30.739 --> 00:39:36.780
it home. I'm going to talk
about so I for this. I'm gonna
588
00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:39.489
I'm going to do a little introduction
and then ask question before I'd say what
589
00:39:39.570 --> 00:39:44.329
I think about it, because I
think that's the best way to do it.
590
00:39:44.409 --> 00:39:47.530
I don't know. Okay, I
want to talk about boycotting artists and
591
00:39:47.690 --> 00:39:53.079
specifically whether or not you think we
can separate art from the artist, because
592
00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.519
and are using the term artist very
loosely here. So That's like Louis K
593
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.800
our, Kelly, Bill Cosby,
Chris Brown, Kevin Stacy, Michael Jackson,
594
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.150
Bobby Brown, like it's everyone,
because there are a lot of mainstream
595
00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:14.469
artists that have gotten in trouble for
a whole host of different things and I
596
00:40:14.550 --> 00:40:16.230
think a lot of times when they
do this, like especially with Chris Brown.
597
00:40:16.230 --> 00:40:19.389
I remember because I think that was
the first time I ever heard about
598
00:40:19.429 --> 00:40:21.900
something like this, but Chris Brown, Lucy Casey's, I'm sorry, all
599
00:40:21.940 --> 00:40:24.900
of them, Bill Cosby, even
as soon as everyone finds out about this,
600
00:40:24.980 --> 00:40:29.980
there's this immediate kind of instinctual reaction
that's like don't, don't listen to
601
00:40:30.019 --> 00:40:32.019
their work, don't look at them, don't interact with them on social media,
602
00:40:32.139 --> 00:40:36.050
like just just boycott everything to do. And I'm wondering if what you
603
00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:39.929
think about that, like do you
think ethnically, to get philosophyl again,
604
00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:43.929
philosophic, I whatever. You know
what I mean. More, do you
605
00:40:44.050 --> 00:40:49.889
think we have an ethical obligation to
stop, like, consuming anything produced by
606
00:40:49.929 --> 00:40:53.719
these kinds of artists, or do
you think we can separate art from the
607
00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:00.880
artist? Oh Man, it's an
intense question to end on, but well,
608
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.389
I want to say I'm not going
to go with the answer if it
609
00:41:04.550 --> 00:41:08.230
depends praise. That's what every answer
is in every damn discussion in class.
610
00:41:08.269 --> 00:41:16.630
Yeah, this whole in college and
life. Um Shit. I mean,
611
00:41:16.710 --> 00:41:22.860
if somebody like, like I never, okay, like Chris Brown. I
612
00:41:22.940 --> 00:41:27.260
never really liked Chris Brown Shark.
I had to some of his music or
613
00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:30.300
whatever, just like whatever on my
phone. But after I heard about like
614
00:41:31.929 --> 00:41:36.090
what what came out with him and
Rihanna and stuff, and right, she's
615
00:41:36.769 --> 00:41:39.570
all that news. Like, honestly, I would then see music, I'd
616
00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:42.250
be like, Oh my God,
like, am I gonna listen to that?
617
00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:44.969
But I would. I was able
to do that because I wasn't that
618
00:41:45.170 --> 00:41:49.239
interested sharp music anyway. Because,
like, if it's like Louis See,
619
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.599
like Kevin Spacey, let's just go. Yeah, Kevin Spacey was my favorite
620
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:59.800
actor. Like I think he's very
talented. He also sexually abused men,
621
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.590
yeah, in his life. Same
but like I can't stop thinking that he's
622
00:42:05.590 --> 00:42:07.590
a good act. You know what
I mean? Like you can't really cheat.
623
00:42:07.590 --> 00:42:09.110
I don't know that you could choose
what you're attracted to. I think.
624
00:42:09.190 --> 00:42:16.059
Okay, so I think in my
gas. So I have like classic
625
00:42:16.099 --> 00:42:21.860
rock, like I have artists,
I have like actors. I like your
626
00:42:21.940 --> 00:42:25.099
stuff that I can put in my
head and say, I know that this
627
00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:35.210
thing has happened and that won't take
away from my that won't necessarily stop me
628
00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:38.610
from construting the content, but it
makes you a little uncomfortable. Yeah,
629
00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:45.400
and I'll tell you that if the
person, if the artist, is also
630
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.320
a great person outside of the art, like if the artist is just as
631
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.679
great as the art sure that they
produced. That makes it that, that
632
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.320
makes like two hundred percently more enjoyable. FAMEDA, that's an a truth.
633
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.789
I hadn't thought about the flip like
that. That's interesting, like, I
634
00:43:00.949 --> 00:43:06.750
mean, I could even buy Ross. I mean, you know, you
635
00:43:06.789 --> 00:43:10.750
can look at that with everything like
I, you know, when I'm doing
636
00:43:10.829 --> 00:43:15.380
my thesis on world of Warcraft.
Who makes well of warcraft? Blizzard entertainment.
637
00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:21.659
Sure happen with them. They basically
censored free speech. Right, somebody
638
00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:25.300
I want and they are advocating to
free Hong Kong. My stopping that game.
639
00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:29.929
I'M gonna ye. Know, that's
a little more complicated because the developers
640
00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:34.050
and the artists of the game did
not stake that decision. I was see,
641
00:43:34.130 --> 00:43:36.530
what I think is different. One
it's in one person. It's in
642
00:43:36.690 --> 00:43:38.090
when it's one there's somebody. I
mean, I can like you for what
643
00:43:38.170 --> 00:43:42.960
I'm that even that example. Yeah, I was still like, Oh shit,
644
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.719
like I'm supporting right, you know, and I do, and I
645
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:52.960
have that. But okay, so
my answer is, I'm going to see.
646
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.829
My answer is, yeah, you
can separate the art from the artist.
647
00:43:57.989 --> 00:44:01.190
Old and honestly sixty percent of that, for me is, you know
648
00:44:01.269 --> 00:44:05.630
what, like, well, one
person is not going to change, right,
649
00:44:05.869 --> 00:44:07.829
the revenue of what that you know, right, that's exactly. That's
650
00:44:07.909 --> 00:44:10.940
shit thinking about it's not shit.
Think. All right, we're going to
651
00:44:12.059 --> 00:44:15.739
go tell me something. Okay.
So for me it's very straightforward. I
652
00:44:15.820 --> 00:44:19.460
don't think this is this is not
going to satisfy a lot of people and
653
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.940
I'll talk about I'll go in a
little more depth after I say this.
654
00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:27.050
I don't think morality or ethics has
any place in art at all. I
655
00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:30.050
don't think art exists to be,
and I've written this before and pieces,
656
00:44:30.170 --> 00:44:34.849
but if art is ethical, it's
ethics, its philosophy, if it's political,
657
00:44:35.610 --> 00:44:37.880
it's politics, like art itself is
its own standalone thing and like,
658
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.840
yeah, it can have political,
cultural, ethical ramifications and consequences, but
659
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.280
that's based on interpretation. That's not
the piece. So I that's that's where
660
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.960
I stand. I just don't think
that art exists anything to be. But
661
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.670
I don't think art exists to be
anything but could art if that makes sense.
662
00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:58.030
But I know that that's not going
to satisfy a lot of people.
663
00:44:58.110 --> 00:45:04.349
Well, what if you go to
cop out? Do you like president drunk.
664
00:45:04.909 --> 00:45:07.980
Now, okay, what if he
decided? What's your favorite kind of
665
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:10.820
art right now, like at all, like giving an example to say you
666
00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:14.900
want to say something you like dropping
all song or a painting or something you
667
00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:20.019
like. I'm asking, is what
it all of a sudden I'm presidencies over,
668
00:45:20.139 --> 00:45:23.329
I'm out, I'm going to produce
this, and you're like, Oh
669
00:45:23.449 --> 00:45:29.210
my God, this is sweet,
but you already don't like the artist.
670
00:45:29.690 --> 00:45:31.130
So here's, here's this is where
I'm going to make the distinction. Okay,
671
00:45:31.130 --> 00:45:34.449
okay. So I think that,
yeah, right, there is a
672
00:45:34.489 --> 00:45:37.599
distinction to make between artists, because
there are artists who live their work.
673
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:44.039
So I'm thinking like snoop dog wraps
about gun violence and like king up and
674
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.519
does all that are used to HMM, especially for the vitals part. But
675
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.429
and then like Bob Dylan, raps
are wrap tilling raps. That's so bad.
676
00:45:52.829 --> 00:45:53.469
I'm not going to cut that.
We're just going to keep going.
677
00:45:54.469 --> 00:45:59.150
Bob Ylan things about his travels and
like his experience as a hermit and like
678
00:45:59.269 --> 00:46:02.789
traveling place a place and does the
exaggerates that it does that. So you've
679
00:46:02.829 --> 00:46:07.659
got that kind of artist whose work
kind of reflects who they are. But
680
00:46:07.780 --> 00:46:10.619
then you have artists whose work is
just entirely performative. And so I'm thinking
681
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:15.860
like specifically, like Miles Davis,
jazz musician, has admitted on record that
682
00:46:15.980 --> 00:46:20.130
he abused a lot of different women
in this life, but no one's going
683
00:46:20.170 --> 00:46:22.690
to think that his jazz albums are
worse for that, you know what I
684
00:46:22.769 --> 00:46:27.650
mean, like that doesn't affect his
art. So I think the problem that
685
00:46:27.730 --> 00:46:30.090
we have here is with this first
kind of people, right. I mean
686
00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:32.480
obviously there's both are problematic, but
like the people that we want to boycott
687
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:39.079
are the ones whose art reflects their
behavior. That makes sense. But then
688
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.599
if we do if we say that, then we're saying that the problem isn't
689
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.599
the arts, the behavior, and
so I think that there, you know,
690
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:47.750
you just separated the art from the
artist, you know what I mean.
691
00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:53.550
So that's kind of how I walk
through that logically. So I think
692
00:46:53.590 --> 00:46:57.869
I think like it make art making
you uncomfortable as one thing, like a
693
00:46:57.989 --> 00:47:01.019
trump dropped at a fire album.
I wouldn't like listening to it, but
694
00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:06.059
I don't think morally there would be
a problem with me listening to it,
695
00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:09.019
if that makes sense. And then
you get into the like the like consequentialist,
696
00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:13.780
which is what you just touched on
earlier, but like people who boycott
697
00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:16.449
because they think that they're contributing to
the artists or supporting the artist. I
698
00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:20.570
think, on the one hand,
if you're doing it out of solidarity,
699
00:47:21.130 --> 00:47:22.650
like if you, if when all
this Chris Brown came stuff came out,
700
00:47:22.650 --> 00:47:25.130
and you just you were like,
I stand with Rihanna, I'm not listening
701
00:47:25.170 --> 00:47:29.730
to any of curse is stuff.
Right, you already own the songs,
702
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.400
like it's a good sentiment, but
I don't know that practically it does anything.
703
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.280
And now is that mean the streaming
stuff? It's all contract exactly.
704
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:44.000
So they're making like a negligible subscribed
spotify and one bounds on spotify. You
705
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.630
don't have to listen to him.
You're right, and we're also like we
706
00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:50.429
do things like that every day,
like every day we do little bad things
707
00:47:50.469 --> 00:47:53.789
that contribute to a greater bad aggregate, like if you throw something away that
708
00:47:54.190 --> 00:47:58.469
can be recycled, like that's a
small thing in itself, but that's screwing
709
00:47:58.510 --> 00:48:00.820
the planet and supply that by exactly
exactly. So I think we I just
710
00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:06.219
think we make consequent or compromises like
that every day and I don't know why
711
00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:09.219
we draw the line at an artist. So I think, I just think.
712
00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:14.130
I don't think there's any ethics involved
in art whatsoever. But even if
713
00:48:14.130 --> 00:48:16.809
there is, I think that I
don't think that you have to morally stop
714
00:48:17.010 --> 00:48:22.650
listening to someone or consuming the work
of someone who fucked up. Yeah,
715
00:48:22.010 --> 00:48:24.809
which I maybe just saying to make
myself feel better because, like, I
716
00:48:24.969 --> 00:48:29.039
went to as he's on sorry show
last summer after all that stuff happened.
717
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.599
Yeah, really funny. Still felt
a little uncomfortable, like, I don't
718
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:36.039
know, it's a weird thing and
that maybe that's a half big thought.
719
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.679
But let us know. That's tweet
at us. You know, let's called
720
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:45.150
David's phone. Hell, yeah,
I could use a number later. Will
721
00:48:45.190 --> 00:48:47.309
tweet it for two seconds. Yeah, we'll tweet David's phone number for like
722
00:48:47.429 --> 00:48:51.829
a minute. About everyone already has
it, following a prob a lot of
723
00:48:51.829 --> 00:48:54.030
people, I don't know, following. Yeah, I bet people can use
724
00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:58.619
it. All right, we're going
to take every quick break and then when
725
00:48:58.659 --> 00:49:00.900
we come back we will reintroduce our
guest. You know you love them.
726
00:49:01.539 --> 00:49:30.840
It gets in her from Beta.
We are and David. We have our
727
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.039
guests in the studio. He has
a returning guest. You might remember him
728
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.630
from season one, episode one.
Tristan, not a hope. That's that's
729
00:49:37.710 --> 00:49:45.510
correct. Good evening's Tristan. How
are you? Have you been? I'm
730
00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:51.550
fine. Yeah, yeah, I
think it's about cool. Well, before
731
00:49:51.590 --> 00:49:53.059
we get into your topics, yeah, we taught. How do you feel
732
00:49:53.059 --> 00:50:00.019
about social media in general? Well, but how do you wear it?
733
00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:02.260
Just like, yeah, the Netflix
show, the circle, the sad.
734
00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:06.139
You heard about that at all?
The Circle? These are no, okay,
735
00:50:06.980 --> 00:50:08.610
it's long, sort, sort.
It's a reality show where different intestants
736
00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:13.969
are locked into rooms in that department
and they can only interact online. So
737
00:50:14.050 --> 00:50:17.730
there's a lot of fishing. Yeah, that's just one of the day is
738
00:50:17.809 --> 00:50:24.679
basically. Yeah, Um, I
see. I see more of a necessity
739
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.039
in social media than for me personally. I'll want to use it right,
740
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.989
for facebook, for variously groups,
okay, school events, to keep up
741
00:50:36.030 --> 00:50:40.510
to date with those things. Sure, all right, different question completely.
742
00:50:42.070 --> 00:50:45.510
How do you feel about people who
blow money on like Boucci bags and Ferrari's
743
00:50:45.670 --> 00:50:49.869
and their twenty sum and I just
saw you look at David. I thank
744
00:50:49.909 --> 00:50:53.019
you are not David. Yeah,
I's a really question. I think.
745
00:50:55.179 --> 00:51:04.530
See, I understand the want for
luxury. I just think that there's better
746
00:51:04.570 --> 00:51:09.809
ways to to grab listen, because
me, I have. I sustained what
747
00:51:09.929 --> 00:51:16.369
I've done, the bougeois illusion,
right, the illusion of appearing, of
748
00:51:16.489 --> 00:51:22.559
the Bougewisi, but for little to
no cost. Sure, either by gifted
749
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.559
these things, you can say,
luxury, or yeah, finding them in
750
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.679
thrift stores, things like that.
If you pay full price for things these
751
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:37.829
days, I think that you're dumb. They've been David. I mean,
752
00:51:37.869 --> 00:51:42.670
I didn't know who was our last
one. I don't know, but it
753
00:51:42.750 --> 00:51:45.469
was a good Oh. How do
you feel? Do you think you can
754
00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:47.940
separate the art from the artist or
yeah, I know it's a big question,
755
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:53.579
but he's like Louis K, Chris
Brown, Bobby Brown. Do you
756
00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:58.900
think you can still listen in like
a in like a theoretical armchair kind of
757
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:02.969
way? I think sure, right. In a practice sense, absolutely not,
758
00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:09.809
I think. Yeah, I think. I mean, I think that's
759
00:52:09.809 --> 00:52:13.929
a very, very safe answer.
Yeah, that's a pretty safe answer.
760
00:52:15.010 --> 00:52:16.920
No, I think I agree with
you. Yeah, yeah, good.
761
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.880
I mean, I wanted, I
basically made the case that you can and
762
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.119
like a logically ethically separate the to
but like, I don't know how that
763
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.519
translates into my own life, like
I still feel uncomfortable. Well, see,
764
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.949
they'll cost me. Yeah, whoever. Right, cool, agreed.
765
00:52:31.949 --> 00:52:37.309
All Right, Y, I'll see
you guys next yeah, we're gonna get
766
00:52:37.309 --> 00:52:40.110
so many listens because you're I guess. Yeah, Oh, of course people
767
00:52:40.190 --> 00:52:44.619
love. That's why I came on. It is an active charity. Active
768
00:52:44.659 --> 00:52:49.500
charity. What do you want to
stay on? Well, so I keep
769
00:52:49.539 --> 00:52:57.300
this list, okay, in my
telephone, right it's title. Well,
770
00:52:57.300 --> 00:53:04.170
it doesn't have a title, but
the first we retract. So I keep
771
00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:07.650
this list of names right sure,
in my in my phone. It's not
772
00:53:07.849 --> 00:53:14.800
like McCarthy is in my goals like
that black list, more like a list
773
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:19.639
of names. There are four categories. They all have a certain Genesi qua
774
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:24.639
about they have a certain characteristic to
each of these categories that I don't I
775
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:30.590
can't pinpoint and I can't really describe, but they all have like commonalities between,
776
00:53:30.989 --> 00:53:36.630
like within them and maybe between them. Anyway. The four categories are
777
00:53:37.150 --> 00:53:44.380
band names, obviously, sure,
bar names, cocktail names and my personal
778
00:53:44.500 --> 00:53:51.139
favorite, the cripulachrome, horse names, Rood, I like. Okay,
779
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:54.380
so all of these things I'm sure
our listeners are, you know, turning
780
00:53:54.420 --> 00:53:58.369
the gears in her head. Oh, let me think of a horse's person
781
00:53:58.530 --> 00:54:00.489
yeah, bar name is connect to
them, you know. So like things
782
00:54:00.650 --> 00:54:07.409
like sea biscuit, right, or
secretariat. I almost a PROLETARIA proach.
783
00:54:08.210 --> 00:54:10.559
That's like a horse time. That's
a good horse. Going to add its
784
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:15.800
a list right now. Basically,
you know, Cock tail, like dark
785
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:22.280
and stormy, or Charnel, a
Manhattan, a paper plane, those sorts
786
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:27.789
of things. They all have a
certain dealing about the certain persona, and
787
00:54:28.630 --> 00:54:32.510
I feel the same about band names. I feel the same about bar names.
788
00:54:32.590 --> 00:54:38.500
Clearly, and I don't know,
I can't even begin to describe like
789
00:54:38.619 --> 00:54:43.380
their mysterious. Sure require maybe a
little bit of explanation, but it but
790
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:46.179
other times they're blatantly obvious, you
know, right, like a gin in
791
00:54:46.179 --> 00:54:51.019
juice or something like that. So
I was just wondering what your takes were
792
00:54:51.099 --> 00:54:54.010
on that. You know, if
they're if you can put some adjectives to
793
00:54:54.929 --> 00:54:59.769
the category of horse names, if
you know some horse names, I can
794
00:54:59.849 --> 00:55:04.489
read some choice examples. If,
yeah, that's so reducing. Yeah,
795
00:55:04.690 --> 00:55:10.559
okay, so then let me add
proletaria, I mean right now, on
796
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.840
top of my head, before you
read any of the Yes, is that
797
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:21.550
horse names take like like are usually
expressions that you don't hear often or a
798
00:55:21.670 --> 00:55:24.349
combination of items that shouldn't beat,
like sea that's hit and you smack,
799
00:55:24.429 --> 00:55:28.030
you don't know, biscuits in the
sea. Exactly right. That's just too
800
00:55:28.070 --> 00:55:32.349
random. Now. Yeah, that's
so. It's like normal things, but
801
00:55:32.429 --> 00:55:37.900
with a twist, like a strange
combination. Okay, okay, I'm going
802
00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:40.099
to throw something any of yeah,
that will fit that perfectly. Okay,
803
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:45.219
are you ready? Yeah, yesterday's
popcorn. Is that a horse name?
804
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:50.769
That is a horse named the bad
horse. What I want you to do?
805
00:55:51.050 --> 00:55:54.289
We don't like up yesterday's pocket not
a don't like. What are you
806
00:55:54.369 --> 00:55:57.889
talking about? Is that a brand
name? Or we literally talk about popcorn?
807
00:55:58.050 --> 00:56:00.650
Yes, like, I know it's
a horse name, but like that
808
00:56:00.769 --> 00:56:07.360
combinations stupid. Yeah, that's my
that's a shitty name. Trusted like like
809
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:13.039
if you make popcorn unlike. Yeah, it's not like you could reheat can
810
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:19.670
that's true. No, I guess
popcorn was like wasn't its R we heat
811
00:56:19.670 --> 00:56:22.389
pop I think. If you were
heated, it goes back into a kernel
812
00:56:22.469 --> 00:56:25.710
form. It goes black, it
goes it's like burning popcorn. I guess
813
00:56:25.750 --> 00:56:30.030
that that point you right. Okay, ignore if ignor. Today's popcorn is
814
00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:36.059
just like Scott. You weren't really
good. Well, okay, see biscuit.
815
00:56:36.460 --> 00:56:40.579
Yeah, yea different now it's disintegrate
it. It was yesterday's biscuit,
816
00:56:40.699 --> 00:56:47.090
sea biscuit, like secretary. Explain
to me, secretariat, that sounds King
817
00:56:47.170 --> 00:56:52.130
Ass. Why I naple. What
do you like that name? I mean,
818
00:56:52.170 --> 00:56:54.489
I don't hate it. I don't
have you're the one who's making a
819
00:56:54.530 --> 00:56:59.289
big thing a lot of yesterday's popcorn. I don't problem with Secretary as a
820
00:56:59.449 --> 00:57:02.079
problem with yes why game do you
find fine? We can end it right
821
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:06.719
here. I'll give you another example. It's just pokward. I like because
822
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.480
it's it came up organically in conversation. I think that's a good like smooth
823
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:15.280
horse. It's a smooth horse name. It's got some kind of mystique about
824
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:21.110
it, and I rest my case. They're Chuffaloo. Let Me Mystique is
825
00:57:21.190 --> 00:57:23.989
what I feel about that. Cheffaloo. I know that means in English.
826
00:57:23.989 --> 00:57:28.630
You yes say that. I'm guessing
therapia. That comes from chef. Show
827
00:57:28.710 --> 00:57:31.659
your opinions and then I will explain
that word in English. Like, besides
828
00:57:31.699 --> 00:57:36.500
the name, I I have to
answer all questions after anything. I think
829
00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:37.940
I like that. I don't like
that as much as yesterday's popcorn, but
830
00:57:37.980 --> 00:57:42.739
I like Sheffil. I could see
like chef Lou's talking there. AFFALOO,
831
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:47.010
Chefel Cheffalo. Correct, okay,
I could see it. I'm not I'm
832
00:57:47.010 --> 00:57:50.210
not as big a fan, but
I can still see it. I like
833
00:57:50.289 --> 00:57:52.809
it's like a boss named, but
it better be a male horse because that
834
00:57:52.849 --> 00:57:57.090
sounds like a straight typal of masculine
name. Really, Cheffaloo? Yeah,
835
00:57:57.690 --> 00:58:00.440
that's a stereo to the whole again, I will correct you. Cheffaloo,
836
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:07.039
Cheffaloo with a voiceless advocate. So, like I said, all of these
837
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:13.190
names have a certain grounding in reality. Right, okay, yesterday's popcorn just
838
00:58:13.269 --> 00:58:17.190
came up organically. We were talking
about movie theaters and Awkward. So expensive
839
00:58:17.309 --> 00:58:21.670
and it's probably not even fresh.
It's probably yesterday's start were. So is
840
00:58:21.710 --> 00:58:27.619
it a cheap horse? I don't
think they have to correlates. That's what
841
00:58:27.739 --> 00:58:32.900
it's. Cheffaloo is a town in
northern Sicily. Okay, can I just
842
00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:37.460
say that David, David struggling more
than with this that he did whatever,
843
00:58:37.539 --> 00:58:45.130
explain cardinality check isn't make sense and
it'll makes sense. Yeah, I like
844
00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:47.530
that. I like sisily. Yes, I like it. Took, I
845
00:58:47.650 --> 00:58:53.809
love that. Okay, are you
ready for all? One word? Horse
846
00:58:53.969 --> 00:59:00.840
Pants. Yeah, I don't like
that. That's stalking the list from stricken
847
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:06.199
by this one word. Yes,
is that your problem? It's like I'm
848
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.079
upon my big boy pants, like
I'm gonna put on my horse pants.
849
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.349
Well, yeah, I mean again. That's that's what I'm trying to ask.
850
00:59:12.429 --> 00:59:15.989
Like, but it has the what
about her names? That's true.
851
00:59:15.030 --> 00:59:17.710
It's like what if you had a
gin tonic, but you called it alcohol
852
00:59:17.750 --> 00:59:22.190
in time? you called it gin
and juice or GIN atomic. Right,
853
00:59:24.179 --> 00:59:30.219
shit, I just don't know what
the grouping it because you can hear some,
854
00:59:30.340 --> 00:59:34.099
at least I can. I can
hear something in conversation and Think,
855
00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:37.659
oh, that'd be a really good
horse name, but it wouldn't be a
856
00:59:37.780 --> 00:59:42.650
good band name or cocktail name,
for sure. I don't understand the difference.
857
00:59:42.690 --> 00:59:45.289
But when I can't put words to
watch and costly, that does not
858
00:59:45.409 --> 00:59:47.849
have an hand in it, because
you can't have a horse named with a
859
00:59:49.090 --> 00:59:51.530
fine right. Is there a horse
name with hands. I don't know.
860
00:59:52.050 --> 00:59:54.159
I Bet I could make a case
for okay, ready, that's ready.
861
00:59:54.280 --> 00:60:01.000
Yeah, okay, wind sock.
That could be a horse. It could
862
00:60:01.039 --> 00:60:05.280
not. Yes, you can.
His horses have to wear the ankle wrap
863
00:60:05.360 --> 00:60:08.429
sock things, I mean right,
like the relatedly to things about the horse
864
00:60:08.469 --> 00:60:12.349
itself. They have like the way. I just think that's we sky.
865
00:60:12.510 --> 00:60:15.030
I don't want to drink a sock
that's been in the wind, but I
866
00:60:15.110 --> 00:60:17.230
want to ride a horse or fat
on a horse. A wind sock.
867
00:60:19.230 --> 00:60:22.820
That's something that's are a pretty good
that one word. Two words. This
868
00:60:22.980 --> 00:60:25.099
is one word. It would your
opinions change if it were two words?
869
00:60:27.860 --> 00:60:32.139
Want to yeah, so like wind
sock. Wind sock. What is just
870
00:60:32.260 --> 00:60:37.010
flows? Okay, all right.
Says this is a cocktail name and it
871
00:60:37.130 --> 00:60:40.090
will not be a horse name ever, ever, ever, ever, put
872
00:60:40.170 --> 00:60:45.329
so long as I live. Rogue
drop, that's a horse name. Are
873
00:60:45.369 --> 00:60:49.329
You shitting? Because it's row.
No, I actually agree with they would
874
00:60:49.329 --> 00:60:54.760
here. I think that's horse skimming
rogue and they drop like shit and they
875
00:60:54.840 --> 00:60:59.960
drop drop different reasons, but I'm
trying to think it. They drop winds
876
00:61:00.039 --> 00:61:01.719
like they drop. Will you can
you? Can you pick a drop?
877
00:61:01.880 --> 00:61:06.949
People. Can you horse kicks the
person off the Horse, like Oka dropping
878
00:61:06.989 --> 00:61:08.670
the person off the body? Can
you pick a name and not tell us
879
00:61:08.750 --> 00:61:12.150
it's a horse? Okay, yes, that's a good idea. Okay,
880
00:61:15.110 --> 00:61:17.070
rogue drop. Give me a second. Yeah, US, give me a
881
00:61:17.110 --> 00:61:22.579
second. I realized. I don't. Give me a second. I don't
882
00:61:22.579 --> 00:61:24.860
know. I don't I don't listen
the ingredients. That's kind of just brings
883
00:61:24.900 --> 00:61:30.579
right. Okay, okay, to
be a cool drink. I'm sure it.
884
00:61:30.739 --> 00:61:37.530
Okay, ready. Yeah, public
rush. I'll see. That's interesting
885
00:61:37.610 --> 00:61:40.489
because I want to say horse,
but I think that I think that that
886
00:61:40.570 --> 00:61:45.769
could also be a cocktail. The
public the public part doesn't make me think
887
00:61:45.809 --> 00:61:51.519
it's a cocktail. I think it's
a band name, but I don't even
888
00:61:51.519 --> 00:61:53.159
it is a horse thing. I
don't want my horse staying public rush because
889
00:61:53.199 --> 00:61:58.800
my hoose is not open to the
public. It's private secrets or not.
890
00:61:58.920 --> 00:62:00.670
Well, great, I fool do
both. It was a barning. I
891
00:62:00.789 --> 00:62:07.190
got a public rush. I go
to a part I wants public and crowded
892
00:62:07.269 --> 00:62:10.710
in life. Drink. All right, I think. I think difficult customer
893
00:62:10.789 --> 00:62:15.099
man. I think like by like
my private view with the Nice table dy
894
00:62:15.099 --> 00:62:20.659
even show this is they look into
like dance with fifteen people skin to skin
895
00:62:20.820 --> 00:62:28.500
contact because it's crowded in a public
really taking a fine mesh to my all
896
00:62:28.500 --> 00:62:31.769
right, okay, point point being
that there's something, there's something about him.
897
00:62:32.050 --> 00:62:36.449
Yes, yeah, so what in
your head? Why? How were
898
00:62:36.489 --> 00:62:38.250
you deciding that? I have no
idea, because I couldn't, I really
899
00:62:38.289 --> 00:62:50.880
couldn't tell whether it was a horse
or a yeah, what's your thought process?
900
00:62:51.159 --> 00:62:53.599
Bad, but, by the way, thought process thot bought name of
901
00:62:53.679 --> 00:62:58.360
a thought process anyway. Well,
that's a good cut tail. Would not
902
00:62:58.400 --> 00:63:00.510
be a horse. Thank you.
These are all compigraded those listening. So,
903
00:63:00.670 --> 00:63:05.550
yeah, even try, they actually
even try. Actually now belong to
904
00:63:05.670 --> 00:63:13.420
with Nick and David. We own
the intellectual public rush made me think of
905
00:63:13.579 --> 00:63:16.780
public enemy. Rush isn't Russian band. What? Yes, so then I
906
00:63:16.860 --> 00:63:20.059
put this to together, like Oh, that's totally a band name, but
907
00:63:20.179 --> 00:63:22.780
it's not. So Davis Band really
an option? They's just really literal about
908
00:63:22.780 --> 00:63:25.179
all of this. I'm just saying
that that's how I guess. I go
909
00:63:25.340 --> 00:63:30.130
super literal. Yeah, I think
I genuinely I think I'm stumped. I
910
00:63:30.170 --> 00:63:31.010
don't I don't know. I mean, I'd have to think about it?
911
00:63:31.610 --> 00:63:35.329
I don't know. There's definitely a
different quality for each of them. I
912
00:63:35.369 --> 00:63:37.050
could not tell you what it is. Thank you. How did you find
913
00:63:37.130 --> 00:63:42.480
this? Like? How did this
hit you? This hit me it.
914
00:63:42.679 --> 00:63:50.199
I think it started with yesterday's popcorn. I was shot out of conversation show.
915
00:63:50.239 --> 00:63:53.320
That's the yesterday's popcorn. Shout out, up his popcorn. All Popcorn
916
00:63:53.360 --> 00:63:59.150
has the potentially be yesterday's popcorn.
I think will Hannas Gondhi said that.
917
00:64:00.389 --> 00:64:03.349
No, I heard it and I
said, wow, that sounds like something
918
00:64:03.469 --> 00:64:14.699
very mysterious and very sort of inaccessible. Eso taric even and I just typed
919
00:64:14.739 --> 00:64:18.539
in all caps. Horse names.
Presidents are typed in yesteras popcorn and it
920
00:64:18.659 --> 00:64:27.289
Alex. there you go. And
now I dedicate thirty percent of my life.
921
00:64:29.610 --> 00:64:30.929
This is a career. That's all
right. Well, let us know,
922
00:64:31.050 --> 00:64:34.130
social media, at Nick David Show, let us know if you can
923
00:64:34.289 --> 00:64:38.329
tell us what makes a good horse
name even better than Thatt. Just tell
924
00:64:38.409 --> 00:64:41.599
me. Come up with the Horse
Name. Come up with the Horse Yeah,
925
00:64:41.599 --> 00:64:46.320
let's just fill our INBOXES. Horse
Bill US in with a horse name.
926
00:64:47.000 --> 00:64:50.559
That's really interesting. I bet,
like I better. I bet our
927
00:64:50.599 --> 00:64:54.110
listeners can come up with some good
horse, I would figure. Yeah,
928
00:64:54.230 --> 00:64:56.550
maybe they keep up a list of
their own and they don't share it with
929
00:64:56.590 --> 00:65:01.150
anyone, right, I mean you
know it's sometimes you got to keep that
930
00:65:01.269 --> 00:65:05.750
a secret. Yeah, all right. Yeah, you have anything else you
931
00:65:05.789 --> 00:65:09.980
want to talk about? No,
that was everything. That was awesome.
932
00:65:10.940 --> 00:65:15.420
I really like that. Actually phenomenal
horse names. I'M gonna come up with
933
00:65:15.539 --> 00:65:18.539
the horse name. All right,
they send it, didn't ask. I'M
934
00:65:18.539 --> 00:65:20.650
gonna. I'll give you a name. Do you have? I feel like
935
00:65:20.730 --> 00:65:25.610
yesterday's popcorn is going to be the
title of this episode. You have any
936
00:65:25.650 --> 00:65:28.969
other? You have any other any
other names of horses that I would want
937
00:65:29.050 --> 00:65:30.929
this? Yeah, that might would
be a good well, podcast, there's
938
00:65:30.929 --> 00:65:36.280
another one podcast episode title podcast.
That was had on coming off from behind.
939
00:65:36.360 --> 00:65:43.400
It's podcast. That's outside. A
rich uncle farts. I think it's
940
00:65:43.440 --> 00:65:47.280
pretty good. So we called parts. That's a horse, right. Yeah,
941
00:65:47.440 --> 00:65:53.110
that's all right. So we're no, it's a drink. David for
942
00:65:53.550 --> 00:65:59.909
for the title of a podcast.
I think that's his pretty good. And
943
00:66:00.110 --> 00:66:03.579
that's as many horse names is uncomfortable
relinquishing to the public. That fair enough.
944
00:66:03.579 --> 00:66:06.780
You gotta keep most of it to
yourself. Cool, all right,
945
00:66:06.860 --> 00:66:10.860
that's tens popcorn. Phenomenal. Yeah, thank you for coming on. It's
946
00:66:11.019 --> 00:66:14.340
it was my utmost putter. I
good. Well, that was a charitable,
947
00:66:14.940 --> 00:66:21.409
charitable act. Yeah, Turtle,
Turrible Act that name. That's no,
948
00:66:23.650 --> 00:66:27.530
I disagree. Yeah, because it
sucks so much it's TURNAC like would
949
00:66:27.969 --> 00:66:30.489
act. I think that would be
a funny band name. I think it'd
950
00:66:30.489 --> 00:66:32.960
be a funny band named. Sometimes
I cross list them. Yeah, I'm
951
00:66:32.960 --> 00:66:35.280
going to put it as band and
I'm going to put it as cocktail.
952
00:66:35.320 --> 00:66:39.000
About a cock times a Shitty is
getting drunk. You know, that's a
953
00:66:39.000 --> 00:66:42.800
charitable actable act. All Right,
charitable act. That's what we're ending on.
954
00:66:42.960 --> 00:66:45.719
Sometimes getting drunk. That's a charitable
act. Thank you all for listen.
955
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Jesus Christ shot right, there is
the mail. Now let's talk about the
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mail. When we talk about the
mail, please, Mac, I'm dying
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to talk about the mail for you
all day. Okay, Pete Silvia,
4
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this name keeps coming up over and
over again every day. Pepe's mails getting
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sent back to me. Pepey sold
me a pepe SELDA. Look at the
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mail, this whole process. So
I said of myself, I gotta find
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this guy, I gotta go up
to one, I got to put his
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mail in the Guy God damn hands. Otherwise he's never gonna getting it's going
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to keep coming back down here.
So I got the pepper's office, and
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what do I find out? Man? What do I find out? You
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S no peppe. So will be
the man does not exist. Okay,
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so I decide, Ah Shit,
buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper.
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There's no peppy. So do you
got to be Kennys full of Pete
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Wood? All right, episode two
were back. Episode two, season two,
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we are back with Nick and David
and better equipment. Yeah, the
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MIC's all got returned after whate.
We're stolen out of the studio. Yeah,
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last time we were all crowding over
one microphone. So yeah, we
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should sound better. But thanks for
tuning in again if you listen to us
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the first time. Thanks for sticking
with us. Yeah, none of you
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responded to any of my questions,
but okay, there's time. We intagged
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me to facebook post. Yeah,
in Accoi previous guest. We're going to
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have another returning guest on the show
today, but we'll get to that later.
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Yeah, before we get into it
at Nick Dave could show social media.
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You can tune in spotify, Google
podcasts, apple, itunes, right,
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rapple podcast, whatever it's called.
All right, let's just get into
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it. You want to go first, since I lost time? Sure,
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I will go first. Um,
so you have first of all, you're
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a span of soccer. I am. Yeah, you call it soccer football.
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This called soccer because I'm not the
pretension. I sought sock. All
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right. And you have an xbox. I do have an xbox. So
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do you have a FIFA? Do
Have Thee? Which FIFA? So I
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have nineteen. I haven't gotten twenty
yet. I was I did get like
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the Beta preview. So I've played
twenty. It was nineteen. Your first
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one you've owned? No, no, I so I started getting FIFA when
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they still made it for we because
I never had another console growing up.
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Yeah, and one of my I
hope my dad listened to this, because
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one of my like fondest memories is, for Christmas saying that I wanted FIFA
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on the weed but they stopped making
it for we because WHO's playing PIEFA on
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a wee trying to figure out how
many times I can say the world?
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I had Fevu to. Did you
have to? But Yeah, that so
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my dad went out and like searched
and had to buy like a secondhand copy,
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I think. So, I don't
know. You had the go online
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on Ebay basically and like find a
legacy addition FIFA game for the week so
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that I can keep playing it.
That's and that's just like a really pure
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memory I have. So, yeah, I've had it since I think FIFA
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fifteen for to gain, but only
on xbox since like seventeen. Right.
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So I guess I bring that up
because obviously, okay, we'sibout video games.
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Um, this happened a while back. But the you know, EA
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MAKES FIFA. Yeah, right,
and FIFA's a big money maker for them,
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like that big pretender ate. So
much money. And last summer in
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two two thousand and eighteen or nineteen, sorry, the day kingdom's House of
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Commons had EA, who produces people, I guess right, epic Games,
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who produces sport? Okay, to
come in and discuss the use of their
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manipulative micro transactions. So interesting.
I think you know I'm going with this.
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So in FIFA, because I don't
play the current FIVA stuff, right,
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but from my understanding, for my
research and videos I've watched, you
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buy the game, right, it's
like sixty sure, and then what is
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the one? Are the micro transaction
parts in that game. And so micro
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transactions. Those you don't know.
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or just cosmetic stuff. So like
if you want the fortnight's a big thing
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with that, right. Yeah,
so what if you better weapons and what
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is available on your feet? But
have you ever buy anything? So FIFA
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basic, I mean it's like everything
else, right, like you can use
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mycro transactions to get a leg up
quickly or just faster, so you don't
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have to. So FIFA has coins
and points and coins you can use in
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the market to buy players items things
like that. And by items I mean
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like training, like experience, you
can out the players or like contracts or
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things like that. And then points
function basically the same way, that you
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can redeem them in stores for packs
and things like that. Other kind of
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interchangeable. I'm not entirely sure what
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transactions in FIFA basically like you can
buy coins or points in order to buy
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packs with higher power players. And
do you know what you're getting in the
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pack or is it a random rule? It's usually a random I mean you
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know what I could write. You
know like the quality you're going to get,
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but you don't know which player or
anything most of the time. And
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have you ever bought anyything? I
have, I think, twice in my
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entire life purchase packs, and they
were both for they were both like I
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just bought a new game and I
needed to like get on the same levels
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as my friends, so I would
I bought like elite player packs just to,
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as you get with you on it, where you just kind of the
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first time I got a legendary Diego
Maridonna, which is ridiculously good luck,
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and the second time I got no, nothing I wanted. Okay, so
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I'm talking about this because, like
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there's a growing, I guess you
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kids buying these games, playing these
games. So I'm used to be
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food for that and not realizing how
much money they're spending when they're purchasing these
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macro transaction stuff, right. And
so the United Kingdom had these game people
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come in because they wanted to just
it wasn't like a, you know trial,
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it was just a hearing, right, and so the House of Commons
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brought them in. They were like
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on. We can try to work
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And so the parliament asked the epic
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is this stuff of fortnight and you
like, where are these loop boxes?
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look at it as surprised mechanics,
which was blew up. It's like a
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big meme. You can google it
because it's so funny, because the only
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surprise you get is having your bank
account right sky rocket with, you know,
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and the fall philosophies that you you
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advantage of the game and it literally
has no outside value. And he says
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it like FIFA, because they release
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say can't transfer over the engineering.
Have the same people spending the same money
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every year. Right. And so
then they asked the epic Games guy.
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They said, you know, has
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you know, how often does a
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Sure, and the epic Games spokesperson
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We consider that commercially sensitive information is
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shared because they're literally using psychology.
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it opens up with like Christmas,
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these like cool effects and everything.
You know, they're literally slob machines because
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you don't know what you're gonna get
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basically are not saying anything. You
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just kind of blow it off,
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recognize it's a problem, you know, and the problem that I have with
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it is that it's really tarnishing the
video game industry in that like when I
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grew up, we had no micro
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six, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
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like this last summer, like I
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stuff from people's homes round the neighborhood
and I met kids of these families and
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like this. One of the people
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yeah, my son spent nine hundreds
on for tonight last month. That's why
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I'm saying take my card off the
account. But he still plays like there's
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not like this. You know,
if I spent nine hundred, yeah,
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I would be like forget the whole
everything would be out, like my parents
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would. You know what I mean. And so I know you play video
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games. Yeah, but I'm wondering, like, you know, politicians bring
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this in and there's all there's a
heated debate about all sorts of stuff,
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of video games, but right now, like what are your thoughts on this?
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Because my concern is, okay,
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trying to set the record straight.
You know, in Belgium they straight up
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band all micro transaction stuff. But
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if the government steps into control video
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be detrimental and that they might then
say, okay, if you make video
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games, you can't have such and
such content, aside from saying right,
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cut the micro transaction stuff. So
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Do you hear about this come up
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Like? Not Really. I mean, so they're they're before we'd talked about
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government or whatever. They're two things. I mean just to like clarify,
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right that like there are some professional
people that play these games, like ranked
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players, but right the vast majority
of people are playing just to have fun,
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right, and when you when you
include micro transactions, at a certain
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point you can't play the game,
especially if it's an online game and you're
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competing with other people who are using
micro transactions. Basically you have to buy
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them to keep up, right,
and if you're someone who's just playing for
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fun, that makes the game unplayable
if you're not willing to to spend that.
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And so I don't know. I
would just worry from from these companies
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perspective. I know they're thinking about
like, oh, we're going to make
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money off everyone who's buying these games
and who is a regular player all that,
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but like, I would worry that
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because anyone who just starts playing video
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it, like the reason I don't
spend a lot. I think I'd spend
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more if I had an xbox for
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when I got it my freshman or
here at college, I wasn't right,
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you know, not even like I
wasn't expecting to have to spend more money
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in the game, and so every
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I was like fuck that, like, why am I go? Why
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would I spend more money? So
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that they're losing a huge demographic here, which is interesting. I don't know.
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So are you're worried that they're gonna
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The regulated it's so, okay,
so we have the es or be sure,
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right, and so that's like the
what's the movie thing? And the
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and movie pictures? Yeah, yeah, so they it's a rating system for
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video games of ETM, right,
and they kind of like how the do
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in Hollywood. They're like, Hey, listen, we're going to self regulate,
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right, we're going to make sure
video games are cool and all that.
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But there's the a lot of the
people on the board of EA,
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for on the board of the ES
or be interesting. Tell me why that's
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right. there. There's a little
bit of it's not, you know,
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and the ES ARV has been constantly
saying hey, like from people saying can
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you please, what? Can we
change something? You know, I can
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set it on the back of the
game saying like, you know, e
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foreverone or whatever, t like Blood
Gore, and then they write a little
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I was like loop boxes. Yeah, your parents don't know what the hell
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loot what that means. If you
wrote like slot machine or gambling. Right,
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I promise you. People like my
kid is not playing that game.
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Yeah, right, and so I
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me, like I just I feel
like politicians. So, like, I
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mean, okay, you know,
Donald Trump said he spoke out against violent
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video games and attributed gun violence to
videos, which is a totally other topic
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and not to get into. There's
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essentially a slobs chand gambling illegal and
a lot of the country. I just
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feel like a lot of politicians,
and I might be wrong, but I've
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tried to find, you know,
research, but I there's not a lot
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of politicians who either play video games
or have experience with, like the knowledge
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about it. Yet maybe that generation
is coming up. So, I mean
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a lot of politicians are older.
What right, man, who just don't?
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I've never had that chance. Like
it's a different generation. Yeah,
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it's really interesting, though, like
what would you say? What would you
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think, if I mean, do
you even care about the industry enough?
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I guess wait to let us relation. Yeah, I'M gonna ridicule you for
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a second. You buy this game? Yeah, FIFA, sure, but
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nick, every year to get the
new roster, you have to buy it
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again, right, that's crazy.
I haven't bought it this year. For
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that way, how many phobus have
you had one? No, no,
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on it. I mean no,
I'm sorry. Like, have you ever
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bought two consecutive like have do you
get Fiva eighteen and nineteen? Yes,
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what were the differences between those two
games? Sides from the roster, right,
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so the Ross, I mean,
obviously, yeah, rosters updated.
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There's like career mode or not.
Career mode whatever. The story is,
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Alex Hunter. He's like the the
poster boys. You get to play as
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like up and coming player, like
making decisions, but management. So that's
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the main thing, okay, but
other than that there weren't I mean there
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was some some gameplay a smoother and
like it, like CGI is better,
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but like, there weren't that many
differences in Gameplay, which is why I
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haven't bought the two thousand and twenty. They just they need to charge.
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They should. I don't think they
should charge sixty. They just do that.
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I know it's thirty. It got
it because I get really cause I
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fuck the last two. I got
an offer popped up for oh no,
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that was like you can get the
the twenty, four thirty because you're loyal
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or whatever. So they're really trying. I mean I think that tells just
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the value of the production of the
game. Yeah, I'm, I know,
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going all over the place, but
that tell me about let's I think.
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I think that I would support that
right because it's a predatory like you're
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you're using like gambling manipulative psychology on
younger people who were still developed like that's
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just seems predatory to me. So
I think I would support that. Yeah,
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and honestly, like, I think
that's what ultimately needs to happen now.
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But I just like, like,
if that were to happen, I
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think it would also bleed into other
sections. And then you have the whole
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problem with like what kind of content
can game developers create? What kind of
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story short tell about being, you
know, super censored? Like China has
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same video games. We do a
lot of them. They're not allowed,
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like they're just banned. But take
this video games that we have here in
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China. They're literally parts and sayments
and lines like deleted. That's crazy,
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because they go through all I've been
say yes, no, whatever, right.
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I mean, I think call of
duty is band. There are steps
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between free market and like sis for
everything, though. I hope so.
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I don't know. I just yeah, so I thought it was interesting.
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Is really interesting. I know.
Yeah, Huh, I would. That's
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really huh. Genuinely wow. Okay, when I watch the debates, yeah,
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I mean I don't I don't want
just sitting there being like no,
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I'm watching them, but right whenever
someone says view games, like, I
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literally like that drop everything. I
don't pay attention to I pay attention to
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it. But I like go nuts
when I hear her back because I want
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to know, you know, like
what they're thinking and you know, and
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and it's it's interesting. Like Elizabeth
Warren has also said by video games need
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to be banned from Walmart. We
going to get rid of this stuff.
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And I've been like, you know, that's my personal thing. I'm like
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yes, like, no, you
know whatever it's. So I just like,
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I guess I'm excited for the next
generation. Right. So hopefully will
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not also just be then the future, also old shirt men who are just
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well, and it's like, like
you've seen the facebook hearings were basically Mark
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Suckerberg is explaining the Internet to senators
exactly, like it's just they just don't
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get it. Yeah, Huh okay, yeah, really cool. Yeah,
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but I'M gonna jump into my topic, but one of my topics. But
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before I keep going, I want
to tell anyone listening at this point that
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you should strap in because this episode
might be a little longer. But I
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think that corrupt. If I'm wrong, I think they have been. are
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both feeling it right now. So
we're going to make a good one.
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Yeah, it's gonna give us,
gonna be a good one. All right,
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we had to get back in the
group. Yeah, it took a
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minute and I'm not stay stages away
from the Ekes. I have space to
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think, right. We're not like
pressed up against each other anymore. Okay,
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all right, first thing I want
to talk about. Have you heard
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of the circle? We're not talking
about the shape right now. Not The
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shape. Give me, I'm not
henory. Is it about? It's a
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reality show on Netflix. There's that's
also all. You mentioned. It different.
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Yes, there's a book, not
directly related that. There's a book
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about Social Media and like digital presence
called the circle. That's really good.
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My parents made me read it and
I actually really liked it, so I'm
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putting that out there as a recommendation. So netflix series based on kind of
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it's like loosely inspired by I think
so, essentially, and I'm only on
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episode five, but I think I've
got enough to talk about it. So
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essentially it's a reality show. There
eight contestants and that number kind of changes.
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New People are introduced throughout the season
and some people leave, but basically
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each contestant is locked in a different
kind of isolated apartment in the same building
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competing for a hundred thousand dollar cash
prize. Okay, count it's and so
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they can only communicate through what they
call the circle, which is this kind
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of like specially created social media platform
for the game. And now it's object
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is to get out of the object
is to be the last person in the
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game and to be the last.
So the best staying in exactly. So
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I'll explain how I keep going.
So the circle is this kind of social
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media program but it's very limited as
to what you can show other people.
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So you can only pick at first, when you first start, you can
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only upload one photo and write a
profile and then you can start doing status
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updates and then you can add another
photo and like people who win mini games
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in the show can add like videos
or thinks. So it's like very carefully
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curated and there's very limited interaction.
And then you can also group chat private
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message, but only through text.
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it's presented as though it's speech to
text on the show, but if you
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look closely or even if you just
keep watching, there's no way the speech
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to text is that good. So
I googled it and it's been confirmed that
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it's literally like a bunch of people
in other rooms, like translating everything that
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people say into text in a live
time, which is hilarious to think about.
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So every so often on the show
all the contestants are asked to read
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each other and the top two people. Nothing happens to the bottom of the
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top two people get blue check marks
and they become the influencers. So like
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social media, like instagram or whatever. And so the influencers get a special
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dinner and they get to go into
a room, not like not they can't
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see each other, obviously, that
they can talk just one on one and
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pick another contestant to kick off or
to block from the show. And so
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and whoever, whoever gets kicked off, gets to meet pick one person to
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meet, like facetoface, and talk
to I and then they get to leave
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a video message that the next day
is played for everyone and the circle.
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And so here's the thing, and
you might have picked up on this now,
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because you're only showing a few videos
and everything's text based. No one
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has any idea who you are.
You can be anyone you want in the
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show. So there are hell of
people catfishing each other right now where I'm
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at. So there's there are.
I mean there are a lot of people
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you just using fake photos like that
they find online. M almost everyone is
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lying about being single. A lot
of them are either married or in committed
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relationships, but they're afraid that they
say that, no one will talk to
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them or they'll vote them out ready. Yeah, so you've got like Karen,
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just got voted off them, watching, but she's playing as like a
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basically she's kind of a bigger lesbian
woman from New York. She's playing as
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a skinnier woman in her sadies his
photos she just found somewhere. There's a
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guy named Adam or Alex who's playing
as a Guy Need Adam, and he's
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using again. He's like married,
like recently, Mary. He's got two
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cats. He's really nerdy. He's
playing he's got found this guy's profile.
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It's like he's gorgeous and he's playing
as him. There's a woman, Shawn,
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doing the same thing. My favorite
right now is there is a maybe
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twenty thirty something africanamerican dude named ceburn
playing as a girl named Rebecca, using
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his girlfriend's photos and videos. Oh
my God, so everyone's just straight up
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catfishing each other. Yeah, and, like I said, New People turn
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up, people give vote it off, and so I guess it's a really
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interest's kind of trashy. It's edited
like a Korean game show, but it's
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so addicting, and so I guess
my first question is, would you go
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on the show? So is the
point there isn't make sure. The point
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of this show basically, because you
can just tell you can be who you
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want, like you're trying to make
everyone else like you through this limit is
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right, man, some people are
being themselves and some people are being people
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that they think other people will like, right. Yeah, I mean that
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will honestly be a really cool class
activity. Yeah, like a media class.
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Yeah, thinking something, even though
people, you know, just hurt
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people, right about? But that's
really interesting because I would yeah, I
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should watch that because, you know, I am in my world career stuff,
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looking at like how people carry themselves, how yeah, but he's represent
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themselves and stuff and he could be
so far from the truth and either people
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maybe know that they except right or
they're like they just kind of worry.
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Yeah, you know, that's really
interesting. And so how many seasons are
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there? Are you also was only
one right now. I think this is
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a US version so there might be
other like British. Are People, being
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honest, getting kicked or so?
It's interesting. So I've only seen three
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people kicked off so far, okay, and the very first person to get
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kicked off was this woman named a
Lana Elena, forget, I think Alana,
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and she was genuinely a like blond
American bombshell instagram model who had been
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offered like a spot in the playboy
centerfold, and everyone thought she was fake
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because she chose to come on by
as herself. So they voted her off
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immediately and then she got to leave
them a video message and everyone's like off,
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fuck, like we've messed that up
right of the second person voted off
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was similar kind of thing. Everyone
thought he was a catfish because he was
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a professional basketball player named Antonio,
and so all his photos he's like working
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out or in like Barcelona. You've
not been playing. The US play and
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Europe so professional. I don't know, but everyone thought he was a catfish
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and they voted him off and then
he got to leave a message and was
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like y'all fucked up, and they're
like, Oh shit. And then the
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third person they voted off, Mercedes, turned out to be a catfish.
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So they're they're like one hundred forty
three right now, which is really interesting.
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Well, it's like, I mean
that's like on tinder, like stuff
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like that. On facebook or Instagram, you people follow you, yeah,
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and then like bots or whatever and
like, like I've had I've had like
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instagram follow request from people who like, I mean it's totally a snapped image
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of somebody else, that it's like
a model or something, and it's like,
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you know, whatever, and then
I don't even think twice about I'm
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like, yeah, I know,
that's spam. Three, just right and
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no part of the every wonders.
Like I mean in that case you know.
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But I also know on tinder,
isn't there, like I know there's
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like measures to prevent this, but
isn't there like one in a hundred swipes
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or something you'll find a fake?
I bet it's more than that. Not
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like a troll account, like like
a shark gun or something. That's just
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like a like as someone is not
real. Yeah, someone trying to pretend
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like there's somebody else. Yeah,
probably. Yeah. Would you? Would
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you not on tender, but in
this game that he said You'd go on
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it? Would you play as yourself. Yes, but I would I would
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probably amplify right stuff. Would you
say they would you tell people you're in
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a relationship? So, okay,
I have a question. Yeah, if
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the point is to be the last
one on the show, then don't.
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Why do they? Why are they
like, Oh man, we voted off
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this almost played by model and basketball
player. I don't I don't think they're
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upset because they vote them off.
I think they're upset because there are they
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know that there are catfish in the
game. They're trying to get rid of
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them first. You know what I
mean? Wait to this. Does this
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show say, okay, guys,
there's two cant fishing people in the know,
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but it's pretty obvious, like,
I mean if you're if you can't
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see anyone, you're going to assume
that someone in there is. But you
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want people to like you. Yeah, Oh, I okay, yeah,
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I'm over thinking it. Um,
I don't know who the other people are.
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NOPE, like it could be someone
saying they're me with all my pictures,
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but it could be like Morgan,
is one of the things that really
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relationship status? Yeah, yeah,
it's like you have to answer. Probably
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not, because when you look at
social media if your profile picture is with
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your significant other. Right. Well, okay, it's weird because, you
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know what, not a lot of
people follow me on instagram. I ustre
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Shit, but I follow all this
car stuff and whatever. But when I
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post a picture of like something in
the world really cool, like yeah,
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car or ocean or something, I
get like fifteen likes, which is like,
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you know, Adiogre, for be. But then I post picture with
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Morgan, it's so I gets seventy
likes, adding more, more out go
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s me's yeah, right. But
I know for a fact that when you're
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you know, like when you meet
someone that you might be interested in and
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you go on the you stock them
and you're like, oh, shoot,
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they have a wide think another right, and so then you're like I think,
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I think maybe you get more likes
when you post a photo with someone
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else just because you got their whole
network. So it depends on if the
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group, I guess in that instant, because no one knows. He's right.
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Bet there. Yeah, there's no, like all, it looks so
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cute. I'm right, vote for
them. No, it's like it's like
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I can kind of yeah, I
can't talk to them or whatever. Yeah,
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I probably would it, because I
make things complicated right on social media.
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Yeah, I think. Yeah,
it's a really interesting show concept and
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I think also, I mean this
is a very small thing, but I
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think that they're there's like, I
don't know that it's intentional, but there's
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this kind of trend throughout the show, especially with all the catfish, where
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they're like it seems like they're trying
to portray social media as this negative thing
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where like you can't trust anyone and
people are dishonest and all that. But
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I also think that they're making a
point, maybe accidentally, about the benefits
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of social media and like people who
don't feel comfortable admitting who they are in
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their own community in real life can
just go on and express themselves and be
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who they really like. I think
that it's a double edged sword and I
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don't know that the show is trying
to say that, but it's coming across
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right. But yeah, it's just
I got addicted like literally Monday. Someone
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showed me the first episode and I'm
already on episode five and they're like an
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hour long. So I'm like blazing
through this, especially with all the other
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work I have. Yeah, but
it's kind of addicting and then I was
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just talking about it more with someone
else, because I think I'd be really
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good at it. I think I
go on as myself and just kill everyone,
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but I think, yeah, but
would you enhance yourself a little?
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Probably, I mean you'd have to, I feel like. I mean,
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you know, when you go on
a first date or if you talk to
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somebody that you're trying to like,
you don't have to like share this,
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but like if you've ever like I
feel like, I mean I should.
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I have, if I when I
admit I meet people on like a first
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date, I'm maybe more nice than
usual, right or whatever. Like I'm
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also like say, Oh, yeah, like I do this or are you
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interested in that? Yeah, totally, like, you know, maybe I
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know a little bit about it,
but like I can then get into it
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on the spot, I feel.
Yeah, it's like the save. Do
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People do that? Yeah, at
some level I would do it. Yeah,
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it's all about deception. Yeah,
it definitely is. It's funny.
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It's just funny to me that they've
kicked off to real people and the dude
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pretending to be a woman is still
and it's there. It's Hilarious to why
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every time it gets invited to like
an all girls group chat on it.
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Can't stop laughing it's so funny.
Say, it's called the circle. Yeah,
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the Sir on Netflix streaming now.
So that's it. We're going to
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take a quick break and then we'll
come back and get straighty to date this
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topic. I'll do my last one
quickly and then we'll cover gust on denvil
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over guests. Yeah, all right, welcome back, we're back. Glad
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you asleep with yeah, so with
us and hopefully enjoyed whatever I'm going to
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put in that break. Post production. Yeah, we'll figure it out.
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So I want to talk about when
you see a young person, you like,
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let's say twenty two, twenty six
or Eve or twenty thirty, okay,
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and you see them with a really
expensive role x or something or like,
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yeah, Ferrari or like Gucci stuff, or likes like really fancy you
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know, were sitting in first shut
class on the plane, right, like
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doing like fancy stuff. What do
you say, proudly? I mean usually
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that they come from a lot of
money. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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like the family business or something.
Okay, so I want to explore this
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philosophical thing I was thinking about.
Right, okay, this mostly has to
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do with B Nics do a lot
of things actually. So I think,
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and there's flaws in this, but
hear me out right, I think that
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society has it backwards because, let's
say, you know how we're all like
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yeah, you work and then you
retire and you have money you saved and
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then you can like enjoy the things
in life. Okay, you know what
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I mean. Yeah, so,
like what's the stereotype of that? Like
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you get the Nice Ferrari and you
get them nice watch and all this stuff
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that, when you're not old,
it's not like you've made you're done,
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like bright, you have done,
but like you're when when that old,
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you're dead. You're dead, like
you know you you don't see that many
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eight year olds driving Ferrari's because they
can't get that. They can't squat down
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that right right where. They don't
wear damn crazy watch or something, or
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like travel the world that much or
whatever, because like they're like super old,
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you know, and then stay you
know, and all there's exceptions that
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stuff like that, but I'm wondering
if so, here's the thing. Let's
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say flip side. You're like mid
s sure, and you don't want to
464
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.759
say like Mark Suckerberg, like I'm
not talking that exceptionally rich, but like,
465
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.950
you know, you made you're you
you found some niche thing and you're
466
00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:37.470
really good and what you do and
you say, okay, I got this,
467
00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:41.150
I got some money. I want
to I really want to buy,
468
00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:45.470
or at least a convertible, like
really cool from or I want to get
469
00:31:45.470 --> 00:31:52.460
this watch. If I was in
a situation, I wouldn't because everyone I
470
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:56.539
sees me, especially like my would
be like, what is this kid doing?
471
00:31:56.380 --> 00:32:00.700
You know that there's no way,
right. And so then I wait
472
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:02.529
till him eighty and then people say
yeah, yeah, look at that.
473
00:32:02.609 --> 00:32:06.690
All the guy though, but he
can't even like you know what I mean.
474
00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:12.410
Yeah, it's so I'm wondering if
we're ever going to get in a
475
00:32:12.650 --> 00:32:17.839
point in life, if this ever
is possible, where we don't automatically look
476
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.839
at people and say, Oh my
God, look at that guy, right
477
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.119
girl, like they're come from their
parents buddy and they're not working and like,
478
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.519
you know whatever. Well, because, like I don't want to say
479
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.470
I have this problem because I don't, you know, but yeah, I
480
00:32:32.910 --> 00:32:37.549
shout out a condition. Yeah,
I mean literally were guest, like if
481
00:32:37.750 --> 00:32:45.660
I were to you know, like
being looked at right, like buying flashy
482
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:49.140
stuff is going to make you get
looked at right. I think, I
483
00:32:49.299 --> 00:32:53.180
it's more acceptable the older you are, sure, because you say, okay,
484
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:57.259
yeah, like there's their parents are
dead, like you can't you know
485
00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:59.569
what I mean? You think so
I have to. I have to response
486
00:32:59.609 --> 00:33:02.329
to this, responses to this one
that's just a broad thing about flashing wealth
487
00:33:02.450 --> 00:33:06.690
like that, and one that's about
the age thing. I feel like a
488
00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:10.490
lot of people judge anyone studying money
like that because, like, if I
489
00:33:10.569 --> 00:33:13.599
were to, if I were to
spend my money like that right now,
490
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.720
everyone would be I don't think it
would be so much you're I mean it
491
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.400
would be you're the wrong age to
be doing this, but less because of
492
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.680
the age itself and more because,
like, I don't have a job yet,
493
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.000
like land, I haven't landed the
job yet, I don't know where
494
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.150
I'm living, like I think that
there's a point like you have to have
495
00:33:29.190 --> 00:33:31.470
a certain amount of stability right and
your life to be able to do that.
496
00:33:31.549 --> 00:33:34.910
So I think that's the first reason
people look at you, because it's
497
00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:37.829
like, like there's always a question
of like do you really have enough money
498
00:33:38.109 --> 00:33:43.779
and comfort and stability to be doing
this right, which is maybe a dumb
499
00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:47.059
question that we all ask, but
like there's that. The other thing is
500
00:33:47.140 --> 00:33:52.819
that people, I think, I
mean this is this is like this is
501
00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:58.289
there's this whole political thing right now
about like ether rich. We're like all
502
00:33:58.369 --> 00:34:00.970
the the people in the world,
all the like the top one percent,
503
00:34:00.089 --> 00:34:07.329
could end poverty, could end like
it's starvation. Yeah, like basically end
504
00:34:07.490 --> 00:34:09.480
climate change, but they don't.
Because so I think that's the other part
505
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.599
of it, right, is that, like, if you have this money,
506
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.320
why are you spending it on this
stuff? And I don't know that
507
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.199
that has an age thing and that's
maybe a like a pessimistic yeah you,
508
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:23.869
but I don't know. I mean, like I really do get what you're
509
00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:27.710
saying, because, like I rather
have it for now than when I'm ninety
510
00:34:27.949 --> 00:34:31.030
and like unable to drive or see. But like being seen your inn underground
511
00:34:31.110 --> 00:34:36.710
college. It would feel good.
Because now what are we like? Right,
512
00:34:36.789 --> 00:34:38.219
so there's a moral thing there.
We're like we're making people feel bad
513
00:34:38.420 --> 00:34:42.019
who maybe shouldn't feel bad, but
then maybe they should feel bad because you
514
00:34:42.019 --> 00:34:45.300
could put all that money to like
stop the fires that are killing every animal
515
00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:51.739
and Australia. Right, I don't
know, Huh. I just like I
516
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:58.610
feel like there's a, you know, something that's not changed yet and all
517
00:34:58.690 --> 00:35:02.289
the issues going on in the world. This is not any short where you're
518
00:35:02.289 --> 00:35:08.599
important, but it's interesting because I
know, like technologies change, media's change,
519
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.519
like our tastes and what we like
of change, like we don't buy
520
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.599
music anymore. Yeah, we that's
just access to it. Yeah, right,
521
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.079
YEP, so we're we're going to
talk about that little good. What
522
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:29.070
we went hasn't changed is the theory
of like who has what is socially,
523
00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.469
you know, culturally acceptable right for
who to do what with their money,
524
00:35:32.750 --> 00:35:36.739
which is interact age. Yeah,
because there's a lot of people, and
525
00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:38.980
I do it to like if I
see somebody with like, you know,
526
00:35:40.699 --> 00:35:45.780
like there's a kid with the Tesla, there's just tests on campus. I
527
00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:49.579
don't I don't know who it is, but yeah, I assume like wow,
528
00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:52.210
like that's just right. There there's
just you know, whatever, and
529
00:35:52.289 --> 00:35:55.010
there they might be great people,
you know, but I have this like
530
00:35:55.170 --> 00:36:00.130
Starky, like inner dialog at the
same time. Wouldn't you get a Teslo
531
00:36:00.130 --> 00:36:01.449
if you could? I mean you
might not just re card, but like
532
00:36:01.489 --> 00:36:05.079
I would get know exactly like if
it was. Yeah, and so that's
533
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.920
totally hypocritical and I but I wouldn't
want people to be like, oh,
534
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:14.440
man, you know, but that
happens, right. And so, but
535
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:20.030
it's also interesting because, like,
I feel like what Gen Z and like
536
00:36:20.150 --> 00:36:24.510
billennials even maybe like what their taste
is, is also like rapidly changing.
537
00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:31.710
Sure that's definitely true with anything like
we don't like. I think I could
538
00:36:31.710 --> 00:36:35.579
say that if you had, how
much does it cost to go to like
539
00:36:35.739 --> 00:36:38.300
coach Ola or something? Oh God, thousand dollars. Yeah, but unders
540
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:42.980
at least. Let's say you had
two thousand dollars, but the whole week
541
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.059
and a weekend and coach Ola or
spend that money to go to like,
542
00:36:45.619 --> 00:36:51.369
I don't know, Italy for a
weekend or something. I think you could
543
00:36:51.409 --> 00:36:53.449
make the stereotype and like too,
are like go like Romans. I think
544
00:36:53.489 --> 00:37:00.289
you'd seriously assume that like sixty percent
of people would pick the coach Heleng thing,
545
00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:04.480
right, oh really, that's I
think. So our generation. Yeah,
546
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.320
because I don't think that that's not
what you were going the other way
547
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.480
with that. No, because I
think that US were more like I wouldn't
548
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:14.840
do that, but I think that
what we because that's it's expensive to go
549
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.869
to coacher, know for sure.
But when you tell someone, yeah,
550
00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:20.510
I'm going to coach Ol this week, I'd like, I don't think,
551
00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:22.590
like wow, how did you afford
right, right, I don't think that's
552
00:37:22.630 --> 00:37:25.110
true. If you get box seeds
to a basketball game, I'm like,
553
00:37:25.190 --> 00:37:28.389
Oh my God, what the Heck
Are you? You know what experience?
554
00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:32.900
So experience versus like material yeah,
we're even like high culture, experience versus
555
00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:37.539
low culturally. Right, coach like
family culture. Nine hundred dollars and micro
556
00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:42.019
transactions. Yeah, exactly. No
one will know. Like daggerly. I
557
00:37:42.099 --> 00:37:44.849
forgot to say this earlier, by
the way, but check black. HMM.
558
00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:47.289
You see this? His son spent
like tenzero and micro transactions. You
559
00:37:47.369 --> 00:37:50.369
know, I did. Yeah,
it's all right. I just wanted to
560
00:37:50.369 --> 00:37:52.969
say that. I've got to say
early. Yeah, yeah, it's you
561
00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:58.599
know, but what you spend your
money in is totally it's just like,
562
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.880
you know, all you're flying right, first class bill your bougie. Well,
563
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.360
I'm not talking about myself. I'm
saying like someone does that, well
564
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:12.679
then maybe, but they don't do
something else right, you know, what
565
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.469
I mean. It's just about where
you want to put your money. Yeah,
566
00:38:15.550 --> 00:38:17.869
and your time and energy. Yeah, that's Huh. There's just it
567
00:38:17.989 --> 00:38:22.789
was just a thought I had because
I wonder if that will change. Well,
568
00:38:22.789 --> 00:38:24.190
you definitely see it on college campus
as too, because it's such a
569
00:38:24.349 --> 00:38:29.420
big like gap between people who are
like struggling to it forward, to be
570
00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:31.500
here, and then the people who
are like payingful tuition. Creek group out
571
00:38:31.539 --> 00:38:37.139
with notes that spend like a thousand
dollars to less here because they're not nationally
572
00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:38.820
affiliated. But yeah, it's less
a lot, but it's a way.
573
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:43.610
That's definitely a lot. What is
it normally? And Yeah, like a
574
00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:47.210
thousand. You could buy a freaking
new laptop for though. Yeah, it's
575
00:38:47.250 --> 00:38:51.690
why laptop people say, Oh my
God, you got yourself and sharp here
576
00:38:51.769 --> 00:38:52.809
a freak group. No one says
that, but Noo, it's that's just
577
00:38:52.849 --> 00:38:57.280
like an expected thing, right,
money's it's all the same currency, right.
578
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.159
So I think it's interesting to just
think about, you know, like
579
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.440
how different uses did. Yeah,
so we have like a reunion and I
580
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.119
come, we all come back,
right, and your turn driving a for
581
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.269
Arita. You know, maybe you
guys went all over the world for like
582
00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:14.670
a Gar and traveled and stuff and
I just was a hermit, say at
583
00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:16.150
my house, but I use that
money. They save a lot of money.
584
00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:20.429
And a Ferrari. That is was
thinking about, huh or an espressial
585
00:39:20.510 --> 00:39:24.219
machine, Tristan? Yeah, at
Triston, those are expensive. First guest
586
00:39:24.780 --> 00:39:30.699
ever on the show. All right, all right, I'm going to take
587
00:39:30.739 --> 00:39:36.780
it home. I'm going to talk
about so I for this. I'm gonna
588
00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:39.489
I'm going to do a little introduction
and then ask question before I'd say what
589
00:39:39.570 --> 00:39:44.329
I think about it, because I
think that's the best way to do it.
590
00:39:44.409 --> 00:39:47.530
I don't know. Okay, I
want to talk about boycotting artists and
591
00:39:47.690 --> 00:39:53.079
specifically whether or not you think we
can separate art from the artist, because
592
00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.519
and are using the term artist very
loosely here. So That's like Louis K
593
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.800
our, Kelly, Bill Cosby,
Chris Brown, Kevin Stacy, Michael Jackson,
594
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.150
Bobby Brown, like it's everyone,
because there are a lot of mainstream
595
00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:14.469
artists that have gotten in trouble for
a whole host of different things and I
596
00:40:14.550 --> 00:40:16.230
think a lot of times when they
do this, like especially with Chris Brown.
597
00:40:16.230 --> 00:40:19.389
I remember because I think that was
the first time I ever heard about
598
00:40:19.429 --> 00:40:21.900
something like this, but Chris Brown, Lucy Casey's, I'm sorry, all
599
00:40:21.940 --> 00:40:24.900
of them, Bill Cosby, even
as soon as everyone finds out about this,
600
00:40:24.980 --> 00:40:29.980
there's this immediate kind of instinctual reaction
that's like don't, don't listen to
601
00:40:30.019 --> 00:40:32.019
their work, don't look at them, don't interact with them on social media,
602
00:40:32.139 --> 00:40:36.050
like just just boycott everything to do. And I'm wondering if what you
603
00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:39.929
think about that, like do you
think ethnically, to get philosophyl again,
604
00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:43.929
philosophic, I whatever. You know
what I mean. More, do you
605
00:40:44.050 --> 00:40:49.889
think we have an ethical obligation to
stop, like, consuming anything produced by
606
00:40:49.929 --> 00:40:53.719
these kinds of artists, or do
you think we can separate art from the
607
00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:00.880
artist? Oh Man, it's an
intense question to end on, but well,
608
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.389
I want to say I'm not going
to go with the answer if it
609
00:41:04.550 --> 00:41:08.230
depends praise. That's what every answer
is in every damn discussion in class.
610
00:41:08.269 --> 00:41:16.630
Yeah, this whole in college and
life. Um Shit. I mean,
611
00:41:16.710 --> 00:41:22.860
if somebody like, like I never, okay, like Chris Brown. I
612
00:41:22.940 --> 00:41:27.260
never really liked Chris Brown Shark.
I had to some of his music or
613
00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:30.300
whatever, just like whatever on my
phone. But after I heard about like
614
00:41:31.929 --> 00:41:36.090
what what came out with him and
Rihanna and stuff, and right, she's
615
00:41:36.769 --> 00:41:39.570
all that news. Like, honestly, I would then see music, I'd
616
00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:42.250
be like, Oh my God,
like, am I gonna listen to that?
617
00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:44.969
But I would. I was able
to do that because I wasn't that
618
00:41:45.170 --> 00:41:49.239
interested sharp music anyway. Because,
like, if it's like Louis See,
619
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.599
like Kevin Spacey, let's just go. Yeah, Kevin Spacey was my favorite
620
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:59.800
actor. Like I think he's very
talented. He also sexually abused men,
621
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.590
yeah, in his life. Same
but like I can't stop thinking that he's
622
00:42:05.590 --> 00:42:07.590
a good act. You know what
I mean? Like you can't really cheat.
623
00:42:07.590 --> 00:42:09.110
I don't know that you could choose
what you're attracted to. I think.
624
00:42:09.190 --> 00:42:16.059
Okay, so I think in my
gas. So I have like classic
625
00:42:16.099 --> 00:42:21.860
rock, like I have artists,
I have like actors. I like your
626
00:42:21.940 --> 00:42:25.099
stuff that I can put in my
head and say, I know that this
627
00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:35.210
thing has happened and that won't take
away from my that won't necessarily stop me
628
00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:38.610
from construting the content, but it
makes you a little uncomfortable. Yeah,
629
00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:45.400
and I'll tell you that if the
person, if the artist, is also
630
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.320
a great person outside of the art, like if the artist is just as
631
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.679
great as the art sure that they
produced. That makes it that, that
632
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.320
makes like two hundred percently more enjoyable. FAMEDA, that's an a truth.
633
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.789
I hadn't thought about the flip like
that. That's interesting, like, I
634
00:43:00.949 --> 00:43:06.750
mean, I could even buy Ross. I mean, you know, you
635
00:43:06.789 --> 00:43:10.750
can look at that with everything like
I, you know, when I'm doing
636
00:43:10.829 --> 00:43:15.380
my thesis on world of Warcraft.
Who makes well of warcraft? Blizzard entertainment.
637
00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:21.659
Sure happen with them. They basically
censored free speech. Right, somebody
638
00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:25.300
I want and they are advocating to
free Hong Kong. My stopping that game.
639
00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:29.929
I'M gonna ye. Know, that's
a little more complicated because the developers
640
00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:34.050
and the artists of the game did
not stake that decision. I was see,
641
00:43:34.130 --> 00:43:36.530
what I think is different. One
it's in one person. It's in
642
00:43:36.690 --> 00:43:38.090
when it's one there's somebody. I
mean, I can like you for what
643
00:43:38.170 --> 00:43:42.960
I'm that even that example. Yeah, I was still like, Oh shit,
644
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.719
like I'm supporting right, you know, and I do, and I
645
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:52.960
have that. But okay, so
my answer is, I'm going to see.
646
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.829
My answer is, yeah, you
can separate the art from the artist.
647
00:43:57.989 --> 00:44:01.190
Old and honestly sixty percent of that, for me is, you know
648
00:44:01.269 --> 00:44:05.630
what, like, well, one
person is not going to change, right,
649
00:44:05.869 --> 00:44:07.829
the revenue of what that you know, right, that's exactly. That's
650
00:44:07.909 --> 00:44:10.940
shit thinking about it's not shit.
Think. All right, we're going to
651
00:44:12.059 --> 00:44:15.739
go tell me something. Okay.
So for me it's very straightforward. I
652
00:44:15.820 --> 00:44:19.460
don't think this is this is not
going to satisfy a lot of people and
653
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.940
I'll talk about I'll go in a
little more depth after I say this.
654
00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:27.050
I don't think morality or ethics has
any place in art at all. I
655
00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:30.050
don't think art exists to be,
and I've written this before and pieces,
656
00:44:30.170 --> 00:44:34.849
but if art is ethical, it's
ethics, its philosophy, if it's political,
657
00:44:35.610 --> 00:44:37.880
it's politics, like art itself is
its own standalone thing and like,
658
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.840
yeah, it can have political,
cultural, ethical ramifications and consequences, but
659
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.280
that's based on interpretation. That's not
the piece. So I that's that's where
660
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.960
I stand. I just don't think
that art exists anything to be. But
661
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.670
I don't think art exists to be
anything but could art if that makes sense.
662
00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:58.030
But I know that that's not going
to satisfy a lot of people.
663
00:44:58.110 --> 00:45:04.349
Well, what if you go to
cop out? Do you like president drunk.
664
00:45:04.909 --> 00:45:07.980
Now, okay, what if he
decided? What's your favorite kind of
665
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:10.820
art right now, like at all, like giving an example to say you
666
00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:14.900
want to say something you like dropping
all song or a painting or something you
667
00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:20.019
like. I'm asking, is what
it all of a sudden I'm presidencies over,
668
00:45:20.139 --> 00:45:23.329
I'm out, I'm going to produce
this, and you're like, Oh
669
00:45:23.449 --> 00:45:29.210
my God, this is sweet,
but you already don't like the artist.
670
00:45:29.690 --> 00:45:31.130
So here's, here's this is where
I'm going to make the distinction. Okay,
671
00:45:31.130 --> 00:45:34.449
okay. So I think that,
yeah, right, there is a
672
00:45:34.489 --> 00:45:37.599
distinction to make between artists, because
there are artists who live their work.
673
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:44.039
So I'm thinking like snoop dog wraps
about gun violence and like king up and
674
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.519
does all that are used to HMM, especially for the vitals part. But
675
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.429
and then like Bob Dylan, raps
are wrap tilling raps. That's so bad.
676
00:45:52.829 --> 00:45:53.469
I'm not going to cut that.
We're just going to keep going.
677
00:45:54.469 --> 00:45:59.150
Bob Ylan things about his travels and
like his experience as a hermit and like
678
00:45:59.269 --> 00:46:02.789
traveling place a place and does the
exaggerates that it does that. So you've
679
00:46:02.829 --> 00:46:07.659
got that kind of artist whose work
kind of reflects who they are. But
680
00:46:07.780 --> 00:46:10.619
then you have artists whose work is
just entirely performative. And so I'm thinking
681
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:15.860
like specifically, like Miles Davis,
jazz musician, has admitted on record that
682
00:46:15.980 --> 00:46:20.130
he abused a lot of different women
in this life, but no one's going
683
00:46:20.170 --> 00:46:22.690
to think that his jazz albums are
worse for that, you know what I
684
00:46:22.769 --> 00:46:27.650
mean, like that doesn't affect his
art. So I think the problem that
685
00:46:27.730 --> 00:46:30.090
we have here is with this first
kind of people, right. I mean
686
00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:32.480
obviously there's both are problematic, but
like the people that we want to boycott
687
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:39.079
are the ones whose art reflects their
behavior. That makes sense. But then
688
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.599
if we do if we say that, then we're saying that the problem isn't
689
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.599
the arts, the behavior, and
so I think that there, you know,
690
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:47.750
you just separated the art from the
artist, you know what I mean.
691
00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:53.550
So that's kind of how I walk
through that logically. So I think
692
00:46:53.590 --> 00:46:57.869
I think like it make art making
you uncomfortable as one thing, like a
693
00:46:57.989 --> 00:47:01.019
trump dropped at a fire album.
I wouldn't like listening to it, but
694
00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:06.059
I don't think morally there would be
a problem with me listening to it,
695
00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:09.019
if that makes sense. And then
you get into the like the like consequentialist,
696
00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:13.780
which is what you just touched on
earlier, but like people who boycott
697
00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:16.449
because they think that they're contributing to
the artists or supporting the artist. I
698
00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:20.570
think, on the one hand,
if you're doing it out of solidarity,
699
00:47:21.130 --> 00:47:22.650
like if you, if when all
this Chris Brown came stuff came out,
700
00:47:22.650 --> 00:47:25.130
and you just you were like,
I stand with Rihanna, I'm not listening
701
00:47:25.170 --> 00:47:29.730
to any of curse is stuff.
Right, you already own the songs,
702
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.400
like it's a good sentiment, but
I don't know that practically it does anything.
703
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.280
And now is that mean the streaming
stuff? It's all contract exactly.
704
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:44.000
So they're making like a negligible subscribed
spotify and one bounds on spotify. You
705
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.630
don't have to listen to him.
You're right, and we're also like we
706
00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:50.429
do things like that every day,
like every day we do little bad things
707
00:47:50.469 --> 00:47:53.789
that contribute to a greater bad aggregate, like if you throw something away that
708
00:47:54.190 --> 00:47:58.469
can be recycled, like that's a
small thing in itself, but that's screwing
709
00:47:58.510 --> 00:48:00.820
the planet and supply that by exactly
exactly. So I think we I just
710
00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:06.219
think we make consequent or compromises like
that every day and I don't know why
711
00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:09.219
we draw the line at an artist. So I think, I just think.
712
00:48:09.260 --> 00:48:14.130
I don't think there's any ethics involved
in art whatsoever. But even if
713
00:48:14.130 --> 00:48:16.809
there is, I think that I
don't think that you have to morally stop
714
00:48:17.010 --> 00:48:22.650
listening to someone or consuming the work
of someone who fucked up. Yeah,
715
00:48:22.010 --> 00:48:24.809
which I maybe just saying to make
myself feel better because, like, I
716
00:48:24.969 --> 00:48:29.039
went to as he's on sorry show
last summer after all that stuff happened.
717
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.599
Yeah, really funny. Still felt
a little uncomfortable, like, I don't
718
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:36.039
know, it's a weird thing and
that maybe that's a half big thought.
719
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.679
But let us know. That's tweet
at us. You know, let's called
720
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:45.150
David's phone. Hell, yeah,
I could use a number later. Will
721
00:48:45.190 --> 00:48:47.309
tweet it for two seconds. Yeah, we'll tweet David's phone number for like
722
00:48:47.429 --> 00:48:51.829
a minute. About everyone already has
it, following a prob a lot of
723
00:48:51.829 --> 00:48:54.030
people, I don't know, following. Yeah, I bet people can use
724
00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:58.619
it. All right, we're going
to take every quick break and then when
725
00:48:58.659 --> 00:49:00.900
we come back we will reintroduce our
guest. You know you love them.
726
00:49:01.539 --> 00:49:30.840
It gets in her from Beta.
We are and David. We have our
727
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.039
guests in the studio. He has
a returning guest. You might remember him
728
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.630
from season one, episode one.
Tristan, not a hope. That's that's
729
00:49:37.710 --> 00:49:45.510
correct. Good evening's Tristan. How
are you? Have you been? I'm
730
00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:51.550
fine. Yeah, yeah, I
think it's about cool. Well, before
731
00:49:51.590 --> 00:49:53.059
we get into your topics, yeah, we taught. How do you feel
732
00:49:53.059 --> 00:50:00.019
about social media in general? Well, but how do you wear it?
733
00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:02.260
Just like, yeah, the Netflix
show, the circle, the sad.
734
00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:06.139
You heard about that at all?
The Circle? These are no, okay,
735
00:50:06.980 --> 00:50:08.610
it's long, sort, sort.
It's a reality show where different intestants
736
00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:13.969
are locked into rooms in that department
and they can only interact online. So
737
00:50:14.050 --> 00:50:17.730
there's a lot of fishing. Yeah, that's just one of the day is
738
00:50:17.809 --> 00:50:24.679
basically. Yeah, Um, I
see. I see more of a necessity
739
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.039
in social media than for me personally. I'll want to use it right,
740
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.989
for facebook, for variously groups,
okay, school events, to keep up
741
00:50:36.030 --> 00:50:40.510
to date with those things. Sure, all right, different question completely.
742
00:50:42.070 --> 00:50:45.510
How do you feel about people who
blow money on like Boucci bags and Ferrari's
743
00:50:45.670 --> 00:50:49.869
and their twenty sum and I just
saw you look at David. I thank
744
00:50:49.909 --> 00:50:53.019
you are not David. Yeah,
I's a really question. I think.
745
00:50:55.179 --> 00:51:04.530
See, I understand the want for
luxury. I just think that there's better
746
00:51:04.570 --> 00:51:09.809
ways to to grab listen, because
me, I have. I sustained what
747
00:51:09.929 --> 00:51:16.369
I've done, the bougeois illusion,
right, the illusion of appearing, of
748
00:51:16.489 --> 00:51:22.559
the Bougewisi, but for little to
no cost. Sure, either by gifted
749
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.559
these things, you can say,
luxury, or yeah, finding them in
750
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.679
thrift stores, things like that.
If you pay full price for things these
751
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:37.829
days, I think that you're dumb. They've been David. I mean,
752
00:51:37.869 --> 00:51:42.670
I didn't know who was our last
one. I don't know, but it
753
00:51:42.750 --> 00:51:45.469
was a good Oh. How do
you feel? Do you think you can
754
00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:47.940
separate the art from the artist or
yeah, I know it's a big question,
755
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:53.579
but he's like Louis K, Chris
Brown, Bobby Brown. Do you
756
00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:58.900
think you can still listen in like
a in like a theoretical armchair kind of
757
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:02.969
way? I think sure, right. In a practice sense, absolutely not,
758
00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:09.809
I think. Yeah, I think. I mean, I think that's
759
00:52:09.809 --> 00:52:13.929
a very, very safe answer.
Yeah, that's a pretty safe answer.
760
00:52:15.010 --> 00:52:16.920
No, I think I agree with
you. Yeah, yeah, good.
761
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.880
I mean, I wanted, I
basically made the case that you can and
762
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.119
like a logically ethically separate the to
but like, I don't know how that
763
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.519
translates into my own life, like
I still feel uncomfortable. Well, see,
764
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.949
they'll cost me. Yeah, whoever. Right, cool, agreed.
765
00:52:31.949 --> 00:52:37.309
All Right, Y, I'll see
you guys next yeah, we're gonna get
766
00:52:37.309 --> 00:52:40.110
so many listens because you're I guess. Yeah, Oh, of course people
767
00:52:40.190 --> 00:52:44.619
love. That's why I came on. It is an active charity. Active
768
00:52:44.659 --> 00:52:49.500
charity. What do you want to
stay on? Well, so I keep
769
00:52:49.539 --> 00:52:57.300
this list, okay, in my
telephone, right it's title. Well,
770
00:52:57.300 --> 00:53:04.170
it doesn't have a title, but
the first we retract. So I keep
771
00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:07.650
this list of names right sure,
in my in my phone. It's not
772
00:53:07.849 --> 00:53:14.800
like McCarthy is in my goals like
that black list, more like a list
773
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:19.639
of names. There are four categories. They all have a certain Genesi qua
774
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:24.639
about they have a certain characteristic to
each of these categories that I don't I
775
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:30.590
can't pinpoint and I can't really describe, but they all have like commonalities between,
776
00:53:30.989 --> 00:53:36.630
like within them and maybe between them. Anyway. The four categories are
777
00:53:37.150 --> 00:53:44.380
band names, obviously, sure,
bar names, cocktail names and my personal
778
00:53:44.500 --> 00:53:51.139
favorite, the cripulachrome, horse names, Rood, I like. Okay,
779
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:54.380
so all of these things I'm sure
our listeners are, you know, turning
780
00:53:54.420 --> 00:53:58.369
the gears in her head. Oh, let me think of a horse's person
781
00:53:58.530 --> 00:54:00.489
yeah, bar name is connect to
them, you know. So like things
782
00:54:00.650 --> 00:54:07.409
like sea biscuit, right, or
secretariat. I almost a PROLETARIA proach.
783
00:54:08.210 --> 00:54:10.559
That's like a horse time. That's
a good horse. Going to add its
784
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:15.800
a list right now. Basically,
you know, Cock tail, like dark
785
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:22.280
and stormy, or Charnel, a
Manhattan, a paper plane, those sorts
786
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:27.789
of things. They all have a
certain dealing about the certain persona, and
787
00:54:28.630 --> 00:54:32.510
I feel the same about band names. I feel the same about bar names.
788
00:54:32.590 --> 00:54:38.500
Clearly, and I don't know,
I can't even begin to describe like
789
00:54:38.619 --> 00:54:43.380
their mysterious. Sure require maybe a
little bit of explanation, but it but
790
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:46.179
other times they're blatantly obvious, you
know, right, like a gin in
791
00:54:46.179 --> 00:54:51.019
juice or something like that. So
I was just wondering what your takes were
792
00:54:51.099 --> 00:54:54.010
on that. You know, if
they're if you can put some adjectives to
793
00:54:54.929 --> 00:54:59.769
the category of horse names, if
you know some horse names, I can
794
00:54:59.849 --> 00:55:04.489
read some choice examples. If,
yeah, that's so reducing. Yeah,
795
00:55:04.690 --> 00:55:10.559
okay, so then let me add
proletaria, I mean right now, on
796
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.840
top of my head, before you
read any of the Yes, is that
797
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:21.550
horse names take like like are usually
expressions that you don't hear often or a
798
00:55:21.670 --> 00:55:24.349
combination of items that shouldn't beat,
like sea that's hit and you smack,
799
00:55:24.429 --> 00:55:28.030
you don't know, biscuits in the
sea. Exactly right. That's just too
800
00:55:28.070 --> 00:55:32.349
random. Now. Yeah, that's
so. It's like normal things, but
801
00:55:32.429 --> 00:55:37.900
with a twist, like a strange
combination. Okay, okay, I'm going
802
00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:40.099
to throw something any of yeah,
that will fit that perfectly. Okay,
803
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:45.219
are you ready? Yeah, yesterday's
popcorn. Is that a horse name?
804
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:50.769
That is a horse named the bad
horse. What I want you to do?
805
00:55:51.050 --> 00:55:54.289
We don't like up yesterday's pocket not
a don't like. What are you
806
00:55:54.369 --> 00:55:57.889
talking about? Is that a brand
name? Or we literally talk about popcorn?
807
00:55:58.050 --> 00:56:00.650
Yes, like, I know it's
a horse name, but like that
808
00:56:00.769 --> 00:56:07.360
combinations stupid. Yeah, that's my
that's a shitty name. Trusted like like
809
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:13.039
if you make popcorn unlike. Yeah, it's not like you could reheat can
810
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:19.670
that's true. No, I guess
popcorn was like wasn't its R we heat
811
00:56:19.670 --> 00:56:22.389
pop I think. If you were
heated, it goes back into a kernel
812
00:56:22.469 --> 00:56:25.710
form. It goes black, it
goes it's like burning popcorn. I guess
813
00:56:25.750 --> 00:56:30.030
that that point you right. Okay, ignore if ignor. Today's popcorn is
814
00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:36.059
just like Scott. You weren't really
good. Well, okay, see biscuit.
815
00:56:36.460 --> 00:56:40.579
Yeah, yea different now it's disintegrate
it. It was yesterday's biscuit,
816
00:56:40.699 --> 00:56:47.090
sea biscuit, like secretary. Explain
to me, secretariat, that sounds King
817
00:56:47.170 --> 00:56:52.130
Ass. Why I naple. What
do you like that name? I mean,
818
00:56:52.170 --> 00:56:54.489
I don't hate it. I don't
have you're the one who's making a
819
00:56:54.530 --> 00:56:59.289
big thing a lot of yesterday's popcorn. I don't problem with Secretary as a
820
00:56:59.449 --> 00:57:02.079
problem with yes why game do you
find fine? We can end it right
821
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:06.719
here. I'll give you another example. It's just pokward. I like because
822
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.480
it's it came up organically in conversation. I think that's a good like smooth
823
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:15.280
horse. It's a smooth horse name. It's got some kind of mystique about
824
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:21.110
it, and I rest my case. They're Chuffaloo. Let Me Mystique is
825
00:57:21.190 --> 00:57:23.989
what I feel about that. Cheffaloo. I know that means in English.
826
00:57:23.989 --> 00:57:28.630
You yes say that. I'm guessing
therapia. That comes from chef. Show
827
00:57:28.710 --> 00:57:31.659
your opinions and then I will explain
that word in English. Like, besides
828
00:57:31.699 --> 00:57:36.500
the name, I I have to
answer all questions after anything. I think
829
00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:37.940
I like that. I don't like
that as much as yesterday's popcorn, but
830
00:57:37.980 --> 00:57:42.739
I like Sheffil. I could see
like chef Lou's talking there. AFFALOO,
831
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:47.010
Chefel Cheffalo. Correct, okay,
I could see it. I'm not I'm
832
00:57:47.010 --> 00:57:50.210
not as big a fan, but
I can still see it. I like
833
00:57:50.289 --> 00:57:52.809
it's like a boss named, but
it better be a male horse because that
834
00:57:52.849 --> 00:57:57.090
sounds like a straight typal of masculine
name. Really, Cheffaloo? Yeah,
835
00:57:57.690 --> 00:58:00.440
that's a stereo to the whole again, I will correct you. Cheffaloo,
836
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:07.039
Cheffaloo with a voiceless advocate. So, like I said, all of these
837
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:13.190
names have a certain grounding in reality. Right, okay, yesterday's popcorn just
838
00:58:13.269 --> 00:58:17.190
came up organically. We were talking
about movie theaters and Awkward. So expensive
839
00:58:17.309 --> 00:58:21.670
and it's probably not even fresh.
It's probably yesterday's start were. So is
840
00:58:21.710 --> 00:58:27.619
it a cheap horse? I don't
think they have to correlates. That's what
841
00:58:27.739 --> 00:58:32.900
it's. Cheffaloo is a town in
northern Sicily. Okay, can I just
842
00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:37.460
say that David, David struggling more
than with this that he did whatever,
843
00:58:37.539 --> 00:58:45.130
explain cardinality check isn't make sense and
it'll makes sense. Yeah, I like
844
00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:47.530
that. I like sisily. Yes, I like it. Took, I
845
00:58:47.650 --> 00:58:53.809
love that. Okay, are you
ready for all? One word? Horse
846
00:58:53.969 --> 00:59:00.840
Pants. Yeah, I don't like
that. That's stalking the list from stricken
847
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:06.199
by this one word. Yes,
is that your problem? It's like I'm
848
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.079
upon my big boy pants, like
I'm gonna put on my horse pants.
849
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.349
Well, yeah, I mean again. That's that's what I'm trying to ask.
850
00:59:12.429 --> 00:59:15.989
Like, but it has the what
about her names? That's true.
851
00:59:15.030 --> 00:59:17.710
It's like what if you had a
gin tonic, but you called it alcohol
852
00:59:17.750 --> 00:59:22.190
in time? you called it gin
and juice or GIN atomic. Right,
853
00:59:24.179 --> 00:59:30.219
shit, I just don't know what
the grouping it because you can hear some,
854
00:59:30.340 --> 00:59:34.099
at least I can. I can
hear something in conversation and Think,
855
00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:37.659
oh, that'd be a really good
horse name, but it wouldn't be a
856
00:59:37.780 --> 00:59:42.650
good band name or cocktail name,
for sure. I don't understand the difference.
857
00:59:42.690 --> 00:59:45.289
But when I can't put words to
watch and costly, that does not
858
00:59:45.409 --> 00:59:47.849
have an hand in it, because
you can't have a horse named with a
859
00:59:49.090 --> 00:59:51.530
fine right. Is there a horse
name with hands. I don't know.
860
00:59:52.050 --> 00:59:54.159
I Bet I could make a case
for okay, ready, that's ready.
861
00:59:54.280 --> 00:60:01.000
Yeah, okay, wind sock.
That could be a horse. It could
862
00:60:01.039 --> 00:60:05.280
not. Yes, you can.
His horses have to wear the ankle wrap
863
00:60:05.360 --> 00:60:08.429
sock things, I mean right,
like the relatedly to things about the horse
864
00:60:08.469 --> 00:60:12.349
itself. They have like the way. I just think that's we sky.
865
00:60:12.510 --> 00:60:15.030
I don't want to drink a sock
that's been in the wind, but I
866
00:60:15.110 --> 00:60:17.230
want to ride a horse or fat
on a horse. A wind sock.
867
00:60:19.230 --> 00:60:22.820
That's something that's are a pretty good
that one word. Two words. This
868
00:60:22.980 --> 00:60:25.099
is one word. It would your
opinions change if it were two words?
869
00:60:27.860 --> 00:60:32.139
Want to yeah, so like wind
sock. Wind sock. What is just
870
00:60:32.260 --> 00:60:37.010
flows? Okay, all right.
Says this is a cocktail name and it
871
00:60:37.130 --> 00:60:40.090
will not be a horse name ever, ever, ever, ever, put
872
00:60:40.170 --> 00:60:45.329
so long as I live. Rogue
drop, that's a horse name. Are
873
00:60:45.369 --> 00:60:49.329
You shitting? Because it's row.
No, I actually agree with they would
874
00:60:49.329 --> 00:60:54.760
here. I think that's horse skimming
rogue and they drop like shit and they
875
00:60:54.840 --> 00:60:59.960
drop drop different reasons, but I'm
trying to think it. They drop winds
876
00:61:00.039 --> 00:61:01.719
like they drop. Will you can
you? Can you pick a drop?
877
00:61:01.880 --> 00:61:06.949
People. Can you horse kicks the
person off the Horse, like Oka dropping
878
00:61:06.989 --> 00:61:08.670
the person off the body? Can
you pick a name and not tell us
879
00:61:08.750 --> 00:61:12.150
it's a horse? Okay, yes, that's a good idea. Okay,
880
00:61:15.110 --> 00:61:17.070
rogue drop. Give me a second. Yeah, US, give me a
881
00:61:17.110 --> 00:61:22.579
second. I realized. I don't. Give me a second. I don't
882
00:61:22.579 --> 00:61:24.860
know. I don't I don't listen
the ingredients. That's kind of just brings
883
00:61:24.900 --> 00:61:30.579
right. Okay, okay, to
be a cool drink. I'm sure it.
884
00:61:30.739 --> 00:61:37.530
Okay, ready. Yeah, public
rush. I'll see. That's interesting
885
00:61:37.610 --> 00:61:40.489
because I want to say horse,
but I think that I think that that
886
00:61:40.570 --> 00:61:45.769
could also be a cocktail. The
public the public part doesn't make me think
887
00:61:45.809 --> 00:61:51.519
it's a cocktail. I think it's
a band name, but I don't even
888
00:61:51.519 --> 00:61:53.159
it is a horse thing. I
don't want my horse staying public rush because
889
00:61:53.199 --> 00:61:58.800
my hoose is not open to the
public. It's private secrets or not.
890
00:61:58.920 --> 00:62:00.670
Well, great, I fool do
both. It was a barning. I
891
00:62:00.789 --> 00:62:07.190
got a public rush. I go
to a part I wants public and crowded
892
00:62:07.269 --> 00:62:10.710
in life. Drink. All right, I think. I think difficult customer
893
00:62:10.789 --> 00:62:15.099
man. I think like by like
my private view with the Nice table dy
894
00:62:15.099 --> 00:62:20.659
even show this is they look into
like dance with fifteen people skin to skin
895
00:62:20.820 --> 00:62:28.500
contact because it's crowded in a public
really taking a fine mesh to my all
896
00:62:28.500 --> 00:62:31.769
right, okay, point point being
that there's something, there's something about him.
897
00:62:32.050 --> 00:62:36.449
Yes, yeah, so what in
your head? Why? How were
898
00:62:36.489 --> 00:62:38.250
you deciding that? I have no
idea, because I couldn't, I really
899
00:62:38.289 --> 00:62:50.880
couldn't tell whether it was a horse
or a yeah, what's your thought process?
900
00:62:51.159 --> 00:62:53.599
Bad, but, by the way, thought process thot bought name of
901
00:62:53.679 --> 00:62:58.360
a thought process anyway. Well,
that's a good cut tail. Would not
902
00:62:58.400 --> 00:63:00.510
be a horse. Thank you.
These are all compigraded those listening. So,
903
00:63:00.670 --> 00:63:05.550
yeah, even try, they actually
even try. Actually now belong to
904
00:63:05.670 --> 00:63:13.420
with Nick and David. We own
the intellectual public rush made me think of
905
00:63:13.579 --> 00:63:16.780
public enemy. Rush isn't Russian band. What? Yes, so then I
906
00:63:16.860 --> 00:63:20.059
put this to together, like Oh, that's totally a band name, but
907
00:63:20.179 --> 00:63:22.780
it's not. So Davis Band really
an option? They's just really literal about
908
00:63:22.780 --> 00:63:25.179
all of this. I'm just saying
that that's how I guess. I go
909
00:63:25.340 --> 00:63:30.130
super literal. Yeah, I think
I genuinely I think I'm stumped. I
910
00:63:30.170 --> 00:63:31.010
don't I don't know. I mean, I'd have to think about it?
911
00:63:31.610 --> 00:63:35.329
I don't know. There's definitely a
different quality for each of them. I
912
00:63:35.369 --> 00:63:37.050
could not tell you what it is. Thank you. How did you find
913
00:63:37.130 --> 00:63:42.480
this? Like? How did this
hit you? This hit me it.
914
00:63:42.679 --> 00:63:50.199
I think it started with yesterday's popcorn. I was shot out of conversation show.
915
00:63:50.239 --> 00:63:53.320
That's the yesterday's popcorn. Shout out, up his popcorn. All Popcorn
916
00:63:53.360 --> 00:63:59.150
has the potentially be yesterday's popcorn.
I think will Hannas Gondhi said that.
917
00:64:00.389 --> 00:64:03.349
No, I heard it and I
said, wow, that sounds like something
918
00:64:03.469 --> 00:64:14.699
very mysterious and very sort of inaccessible. Eso taric even and I just typed
919
00:64:14.739 --> 00:64:18.539
in all caps. Horse names.
Presidents are typed in yesteras popcorn and it
920
00:64:18.659 --> 00:64:27.289
Alex. there you go. And
now I dedicate thirty percent of my life.
921
00:64:29.610 --> 00:64:30.929
This is a career. That's all
right. Well, let us know,
922
00:64:31.050 --> 00:64:34.130
social media, at Nick David Show, let us know if you can
923
00:64:34.289 --> 00:64:38.329
tell us what makes a good horse
name even better than Thatt. Just tell
924
00:64:38.409 --> 00:64:41.599
me. Come up with the Horse
Name. Come up with the Horse Yeah,
925
00:64:41.599 --> 00:64:46.320
let's just fill our INBOXES. Horse
Bill US in with a horse name.
926
00:64:47.000 --> 00:64:50.559
That's really interesting. I bet,
like I better. I bet our
927
00:64:50.599 --> 00:64:54.110
listeners can come up with some good
horse, I would figure. Yeah,
928
00:64:54.230 --> 00:64:56.550
maybe they keep up a list of
their own and they don't share it with
929
00:64:56.590 --> 00:65:01.150
anyone, right, I mean you
know it's sometimes you got to keep that
930
00:65:01.269 --> 00:65:05.750
a secret. Yeah, all right. Yeah, you have anything else you
931
00:65:05.789 --> 00:65:09.980
want to talk about? No,
that was everything. That was awesome.
932
00:65:10.940 --> 00:65:15.420
I really like that. Actually phenomenal
horse names. I'M gonna come up with
933
00:65:15.539 --> 00:65:18.539
the horse name. All right,
they send it, didn't ask. I'M
934
00:65:18.539 --> 00:65:20.650
gonna. I'll give you a name. Do you have? I feel like
935
00:65:20.730 --> 00:65:25.610
yesterday's popcorn is going to be the
title of this episode. You have any
936
00:65:25.650 --> 00:65:28.969
other? You have any other any
other names of horses that I would want
937
00:65:29.050 --> 00:65:30.929
this? Yeah, that might would
be a good well, podcast, there's
938
00:65:30.929 --> 00:65:36.280
another one podcast episode title podcast.
That was had on coming off from behind.
939
00:65:36.360 --> 00:65:43.400
It's podcast. That's outside. A
rich uncle farts. I think it's
940
00:65:43.440 --> 00:65:47.280
pretty good. So we called parts. That's a horse, right. Yeah,
941
00:65:47.440 --> 00:65:53.110
that's all right. So we're no, it's a drink. David for
942
00:65:53.550 --> 00:65:59.909
for the title of a podcast.
I think that's his pretty good. And
943
00:66:00.110 --> 00:66:03.579
that's as many horse names is uncomfortable
relinquishing to the public. That fair enough.
944
00:66:03.579 --> 00:66:06.780
You gotta keep most of it to
yourself. Cool, all right,
945
00:66:06.860 --> 00:66:10.860
that's tens popcorn. Phenomenal. Yeah, thank you for coming on. It's
946
00:66:11.019 --> 00:66:14.340
it was my utmost putter. I
good. Well, that was a charitable,
947
00:66:14.940 --> 00:66:21.409
charitable act. Yeah, Turtle,
Turrible Act that name. That's no,
948
00:66:23.650 --> 00:66:27.530
I disagree. Yeah, because it
sucks so much it's TURNAC like would
949
00:66:27.969 --> 00:66:30.489
act. I think that would be
a funny band name. I think it'd
950
00:66:30.489 --> 00:66:32.960
be a funny band named. Sometimes
I cross list them. Yeah, I'm
951
00:66:32.960 --> 00:66:35.280
going to put it as band and
I'm going to put it as cocktail.
952
00:66:35.320 --> 00:66:39.000
About a cock times a Shitty is
getting drunk. You know, that's a
953
00:66:39.000 --> 00:66:42.800
charitable actable act. All Right,
charitable act. That's what we're ending on.
954
00:66:42.960 --> 00:66:45.719
Sometimes getting drunk. That's a charitable
act. Thank you all for listen.
955
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