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We have Dr. Thomas, excuse me, let me get that
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out of there. We have Dr.
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Thomas Rhee, operates a physical chiropractor out of Tampa, Florida,
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an elite sports recovery chiropractor clinic in West Shore and
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South Tampa area. Tommy's approach treats every patient like a
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professional athlete, aiming to prevent surgeries, or optimized pre-op and
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post-op rehabilitation. Specializes in tough chronic cases referred by other
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physical therapists, medical doctors, and chiropractors after previous treatments failed.
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Known for delivering high-performance, cutting-edge recovery care for every active individual.
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Olympians and professional leaguers such as the NFL, NBA, NHL,
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and Major League Baseball, and UFC, and the like. He
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is recognized as is one of the areas for most providers.
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A pioneer who's bringing body cryo, whole body cryotherapy.
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What's that?
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Piezo shock wave therapy. I hope I'm saying that right.
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Went back to car therapy and cryo-phos to the region. Specialized,
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he uses a lot, I'm sorry, he utilizes class four
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laser therapy, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and non-invasive regenerative solutions. And
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that's what got me excited. The regenerative solutions is what
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I'm looking to ask a few questions about because that's
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really cutting edge.
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And I really have a lot of questions surrounding that.
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So we definitely going to get into this interview. And
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so I want to bring him up. I want everybody
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to give a round of applause because I'm going to
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bring this gentleman up. How are you, sir?
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How are you?
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I'm doing fine on this Saturday evening here. Thank you, Charles.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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It's an absolute pleasure for you to join us today
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on We Talk Weekly. I don't even know where to
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start with you because you have so much going on.
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You have, I mean, you're revolutionizing the idea of one
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recovery and physical therapy and just your work alone. What
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let's start from the beginning. What got you before we
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get into all of the things you're doing? What got
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you into this space of, you know, like wellness and
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recovery and physical therapy?
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You know, if I can pick one thing, it's definitely
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something I can go back to where, you know, I'm
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a kid. My dad's a doctor and I just see
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how he interacts with his patients. Right. But I knew
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that I didn't want the normal kind of like that
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relationship with a patient because I was active. I was
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very active in sports. And I knew that that's where
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I belong in some kind of capacity around sports. And
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then I just mirrored the two. I said sports, you know,
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then put medicine in there. And then and then I
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wanted to see if I can get these athletes exactly,
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you know, better, healthier and performing at their best in
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their sports. So that's how I got involved with it.
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just that relationship I saw my dad have, I just
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kind of relate that to athletes.
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So let's, let's talk a little bit about that. Cause you, you,
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you mentioned your dad, were you, were you, was your
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dad in the space of like physical therapy or rehabilitation?
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No, no, he was, he was in the surgical world.
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So he was a general surgeon. And then, you know,
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when he gets older, he goes general practice, but that relationship,
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you still see that with his patients. So that's where
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I knew that I, I think it's like genetically encoded
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to me to help people. It's that love of seeing
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someone get better. And then when you put that with
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an athlete, now you're seeing the athlete perform better. They're
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getting to a situation where they're chronically injured or something's
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going on and they come see you or see myself.
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And then I solve it. I figure it out and
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we do a therapy session and we work through it.
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And then we get them back to where they can
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perform their best. And then Their results show up on sports,
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you know, TV, Olympics, that kind of event. Wow.
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Now, moving forward. All right. So the encouragement for you
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to get into this particular field. I just want to
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back up because this is what kind of threw me.
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Right.
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A Navy air crew veteran. That's amazing. First of all,
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thanks for your service. But I mean, the wealth of information,
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knowledge that you have in your background. So how do
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you mesh all of that together? Like where does all
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of that fit in?
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You know, when I look back at all these things
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that I, you know, I don't know if they're accomplishments
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or just steps that I went through in my life.
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But I mean, for the grace of God, he puts
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me in a place where I have to, you know,
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Become that person. So I was a kid, play sports, teenager,
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and you get into trouble just like any kid, but
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my trouble was a little bit more expanded into the
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world of the law. So when you get in trouble,
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you know, this is back in the eighties, you have
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an option, you know, you can go to the bad
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jail and all that kind of like that pathway down that,
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or you can go down the path of the military.
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So it was one of those choices I had to
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make in my life and Navy was a choice. So
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I went to Navy. And again, is it God's plan
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or something? But I, I had enough scoring that I
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can get any job. And one of the jobs they
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offered me was aviation, you know, air crew be, you know,
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be something in the aircraft, be an operator. So with that,
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it took a lot of training, you know, not just
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like physical training, because you have to be physically fit
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to fly in these areas. And then you have to
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go into the mental side of it. And the mental
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side is pretty taxing in itself. And then you kind
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of married the two together and it's physical and mental.
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And the interesting thing is that job, it teaches you
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how to memorize because some of the material you have,
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you can't carry it in your possession because just in
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case your aircraft crashes behind enemy lines, you can't have
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all the secret material with you. So it's all about
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memorizing what you have to do out there. So they
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teach you how to really take a project like memorizing
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these type of submarines and armament or aircraft. And then
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how to deploy that into the actual operation you're doing
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to track these type of submarines. And then, you know,
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when you're flying, you're doing this kind of like these
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listening devices called silent buoys, you lay in the water
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and you're listening for these things. So because of that,
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the military taught me how to do this kind of memorization,
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like tasking these numbers and these projects and operations. And
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because of that, it allowed me to go into school,
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college better, prepared, better informed how to study, how to
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go on to the next step. And then it really
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gave you critical think at the same time, because you're
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going to have to take these information and you're going
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to say, well, what is this? Now you have to
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kind of conclude or derive something that where is that
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particular enemy submarine aircraft is going. So with that, it
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just translates so easy when I went into, you know,
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when I went to school and then eventually became a
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chiropractor and then to the sports, and then you're going
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to the elite athlete. you're solving mysteries. You're solving their
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particular injury. If it's a chronic ankle, knee, hip, shoulder,
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and they've seen other doctors, now you have to think
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outside the box. You're taking all the information and goes,
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all right, what else is going on? Look at this biomechanics.
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Look at this anatomy. What surgical procedures he had before?
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We have a change of anatomy. We have to go
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move a little bit to the extreme ends of these ranges.
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So that's why it was fun at the end stage,
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but You know, to get there, I had to go
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through all these little steps, right? Military training, studying, learning
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how to then go to college where when you get
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to college after the military, to me, it was easy.
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It wasn't that difficult. It was just, just put your
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head down and drive. And then I just knew that
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my destiny was to be right where I'm sitting right now.
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Amazing. That's such an amazing background that you have there.
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I want to jump right into, so you go to
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the service, then you go to college, right? And you,
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what is it? What team you went to? What is that? Tampa,
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Tampa Bay from the Buccaneer. You say LA athletic. Let's
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talk a little bit about that.
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Amazing.
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I mean, these are like pretty much D one schools,
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amazing schools. Like what, what was that? You know, that,
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that era of like your life and your positioning and
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your career choices. How was that particular time for you?
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Okay.
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So when I was like, So I lived in LA
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during the schooling process and then I graduate and then
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lo and behold, I'm at UCLA. I had some very
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fortunate opportunities for me to get there. It's not, like
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you said, it's not likely for a chiropractor to become
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part of this big school, division one, but UCLA, a
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top notch school and bring a chiropractor on board. So
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you have to have your, you know, T's crossed, your
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I's dotted. You got to be that kind of person
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to have me come on board as some type of,
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you know, a therapist that's going to help your athletes
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that are pretty much like high caliber athletes to get
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them better. Now this is back in the early 2000.
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So nowadays chiropractic is so strongly used in all these teams.
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Back then it was frowned upon, you know, they sell chiropractors,
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what are these guys? They just crack stuff, you know?
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But they didn't understand that in my world in sports,
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we don't look at the joint. You know, we don't
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want to just do a crap. We want to look
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at the soft tissue around the joint. So we look at,
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you know, like the muscles that flexes in addition, the
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antagonistic muscle, the opposite, right? The extensions, right? So we
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look at all those and we try to get a symmetry.
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Like we want to have a nice balance with it.
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So once we started working together at UCLA, especially track
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and field, because that's such a unique sport with those runners,
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then they started seeing, okay, He knows what he's doing.
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I'm building my confidence and their confidence in me. So
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now I'm going into other sports at UCLA. So then
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I'm with the basketball, the football team, water polo. And
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the neat thing about that is that I'm seeing these
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kids and these kids are like, you know, they're in college,
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of course, at UCLA, but they're also like, they're trying
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to get to the Olympics and some get to the
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Olympics and you just follow along with them. Here we go.
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We're going to the Olympics. So now you're seeing that
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kind of caliber of athletes and then when you're in
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that environment, it's so unique how they tune their body up.
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So when you work with like these, you know, junior
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high kids in high school and you start seeing that little,
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that filter of like elite athletes move through this course.
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And when you get to the very pinnacle of it,
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you're seeing a top notch people and they all want
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to start with the same mindset, but who pops through
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are the ones that are gifted, but really who trains
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the hardest with their gifts. And then it goes through.
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So with that, You're going to have these kids get
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through that high athlete, that high elite stuff. They'll get injured.
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And then that's where it counts. That's where my job
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is important. How do you get them back quicker? How
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do you get them? Because, you know, when they graduate
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and they're in the professional world, now it's a job.
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Now it's money. So that's what they're concerned about. So
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you've got to have your best foot forward when you
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start working with these athletes.
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Yeah.
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So because of that, that opened me up to all
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the advanced equipments, everything you can think of. I have
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to see what's out there and try to figure out,
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does it work? Does it work? How do you utilize it?
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How do I feel it should be used? And that's
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through practice over a period of time with other patients
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that I failed with, that through that failure, I learned
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my lessons, and then I perfected it into where I'm
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at now.
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Yeah, amazing, amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're just tuning in,
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we're talking to a Dr. Tommy Reed. And we brought
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him on the show because he has an amazing book.
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I'm sure you can see it right over his show,
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The Future of Regenerative Medicine. Thanks for the book, by
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the way. We had the opportunity. It's an amazing, it's
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a very interesting read because it's super, you talk, I mean,
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it's super innovative, right? Some of the things that you're
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talking about and it's things that people wouldn't even consider.
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which I want you to dive deep into. But before
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we go there, you mentioned the young athlete, right? And
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when I think of youth athletics, people don't necessarily think
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of regenerative medicine or physical therapy. We think of like
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the older players. So when we get into like the
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middle schools and, you know, going into like the new,
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because I have a freshman, you know, player right now
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who plays baseball, right? And so I think of that
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time when One time he was hurt and he had
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a groin pull and I was just like, wow, no
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one thinks about the young kids. I mean, you're hearing
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like some of the pictures as young as like 12
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getting Tommy John surgery and have to recover from that.
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And so what is, you know, what is your view
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on this idea of youth physical therapy and regenerative medicine
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for that particular demographic?
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Yeah, it's a fine line with that. Yeah. Because these kids,
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you know, they haven't hit puberty. Some of these kids
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haven't hit puberty. So their testosterone, their hormones haven't really
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like engaged in their muscle growth. Now they have the
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ability to heal fast, but as far as like getting
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the right structure to take on that new type of like,
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you know, like endurance sport or aggressive sport, you're going
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to have that tissue, you know, it takes time. So
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that's why if you look at, if you have... when
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you do it like a Tommy John surgery from a
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aggressive throwing, right? Mostly like when you get into that
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pitcher world and you're at a young age and you're
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excessively throwing, you're going to compromise that ligament there. So
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the tough thing with that is that you've got to
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learn how to back off a little bit, but still
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know how to train. You don't, you don't want to
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do that over training. It's tough for little kids because
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you don't know their limits. You know, you think that
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they might know the answer, but they don't have that
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good feedback to tell you I'm tired. Because they always
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say they're tired, right? They don't want to do some stuff.
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But the other kids that don't have that pain threshold,
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they'll push right through pain and get themselves injured more
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and more. So when I see a kid at that age,
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like 12 years old, that gets injured, you've got to
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rest them. Rest is great. Don't get them to a
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point where you do rupture that ligament. If that happens,
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you've got to do surgery. So in regenerative medicine, they
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have those adult stem cells in their body. It is
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very vibrant. I mean, that's why they grow. They're constantly
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growing from That's where they have the growth spurts. They're
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constantly growing. But when you have someone that's injured at
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that age, you've got to rest them and they will heal.
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They have those adult stem cells in their body. Now
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they may have a problem because they're not resting. Now
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you're over-training. When you're over-trained, now you're not giving your
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body ability to rest. When you don't rest and recover,
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you're just adding more stress to that particular tissue where
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it eventually ruptures, cuts and all that stuff. So it's
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rest what's really important.
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Got you. Got you. I think that's an excellent transition.
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And this is my last question before I bring Shannon
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back into the conversation. I want to jump into your
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book because that regenerative medicine piece is, I think, very, one, important,
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but very dynamic because we don't think regenerative. We just
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think of resting fixing, right? And if it don't fix
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so well, right? Thinking that it can't regenerate, right? So
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I want you to talk a little bit about what
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was the impetus of you sitting down and getting that
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aha moment to say, you know what? I have some background.
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I have been doing some research. I'm writing this book
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and let's start there.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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The reason why I wrote that book because of the
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explanation component of it i had to explain in detail
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to other physicians other athletes about the different kind of
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stem cells what the stem cells do what's the mechanism
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and what are we trying to achieve on here and
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then the different delivery systems so because of the repetitive
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motion of just saying that answer over and over again
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i wrote the book now If you really want to
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know what this whole regenerative medicine and stem cell therapy
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is about, the book will give you a good explanation
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on two ways, right? You've got the one scientific where
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you can see all the words that you want to
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hear about, like cytokines and enzymes and all that stuff.
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Or you really want to just have the layman's term.
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And there's a version of it, which is Jeff's journey.
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And it can just summarize what's going on with these
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particular type of tissues and what they're making them do.
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So basically, if you look at regenerative medicine, your body regenerates.
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We all regenerate. The younger we are, faster. The older
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we are, the slower it goes. Now, the question is,
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why is it regenerating slower? Why do we age? Why
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do we get wrinkles? Why do we have that arthritis?
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It's because we're not regenerating quick like we used to do. Now,
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think about what we're trying to do here. We're trying
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to get our normal tissue like a muscle. Say, okay, muscle,
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let's clean you up. Let's go get rid of the
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old and bring in the new. We need to regenerate
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that tissue. Now we need a signal. So the signal
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says to the actual adult stem cell that's inside called
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satellite cells, do your job. Let's do the cycle. Let's
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clean out the old, bring in the new. So the
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signal we're looking for. Now here's the problem. That signal
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as we age gets decreased. It gets decreased because of
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two factors. Maybe the signal is not there because the
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actual sourcing of it is reduced or our signaling pathway
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is obstructed from chronic inflammation, some type of inhibition around
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the cell, or just basically just a lot of that
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junk in the way, right? Scar tissue or something. So
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we need to figure out how to make that pathway
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clear and make that signal brighter as we're younger. And
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that's why you hear the words stem cell therapy. Stem
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cell therapy is a generic term because you don't want
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the actual cell. You want the signal that the cell
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is producing. That's what you want. And that cell is
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what they call cell free. Cell free because it doesn't
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have a nucleus. It's like what they call exosomes. It's
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a capsulated type of like cell that just has the information.
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And there's a lot smaller. So when it's smaller, it
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delivers easier. Now you can get it into that damaged
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tissue and bypass some of those type of like pathways
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are obstructing and go to the source and say, okay,
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muscle regenerate. And here we go. Clean out the old,
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bring in the new. That's what you want. So that's
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what regenerative medicine is about. You want to get that
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signal back to its course and regenerate as if we
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were young. So we're looking for those things. Is it
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from stem cells, from human tissue source, like the bilbo
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core called mesenchymal stem cells, or is it the same
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type of signals that come from plants? Plant has the
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same type of potency as these human tissue. So that's
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what needs going. That's the pathway we're looking into now.
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Moving into a plant-based type of signaling to tell your
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existing tissue do its job. Interesting.
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Yeah, that's incredible. That's incredible.
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But I do have a follow-up question for you. It says,
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and it goes, your platform focuses on cell-free therapies.
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Right. How does the cell free.
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Topical application manage to deliver biological signals as effectively as injections?
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Yeah, great question. So we all know about needles and
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the fear of needles. And in the athletic world, needles
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are pretty much a catch 22. If you have a
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knee that's probably like, you know, like an ACL or
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a ligament in your knee, that has that kind of
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compromised tissue and you wanna start that regeneration, right? So
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they say, hey, we're gonna do a stem cell injection
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in the area. Well, the problem is is that you
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have the original injury and now you're gonna take this
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needle and then you're gonna go into the area and
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you're gonna make a secondary injury site with the needle
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and compromise it just to deliver this signals from the
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stem cells. Now, the problem with this with athletes, there's
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a downtime. Athletes, after you get this type of injection,
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you can't do nothing for the next, four, five, two weeks,
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whatever the actual provider says you have to rest because
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you have to recover from the secondary injury and you
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got to let the signals kind of like bind in there. Now,
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if you understand about the signal and the cell-free molecule
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and how small it is compared to a live cell,
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let me back up real quick. So when you hear
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a cell, you think about a cell that has like
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a membrane and a lot of stuff inside there that
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helps the cells stay alive. And this little thing called
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a nucleus, and that has like the chromosome and DNAs.
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of like a, almost like a, um, a universe, right?
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A universe, right? Now, when you think about cell free,
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eliminate everything, except for the signal. Now you have a
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smaller diameter, smaller type of, you know, cell free type
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of biological molecule. that now can penetrate through the skin
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with the help of a transdermal agent that can open
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up that top layer that can transdermally pull those bioactive
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molecules down through the skin into the damaged tissue. And
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you have to do it for a period of time.
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And through the saturation, you will yield as much as
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the injections. So that's what's great about topical is that
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you don't have to go through that risk factor of
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getting like an injection and then maybe an injury or
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an infection. You can do topical because all you want
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is that signal. You want that signal to get through
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the skin to the damaged tissue.
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Just a quick follow-up question.
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As far as having that carrier cell penetrate the skin, what.
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Are we using on the skin? And does that matter?
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Most people like to use coconut oil or some type
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of ointment.
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Is it What's the delivery carrier to get through to
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the skin? And is that important?
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Because I would assume that some stuff can degradate those
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cells if it's not in the right, you know, the
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topical delivery mechanism.
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Yeah.
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So in our formulation, we encapsulate it with this thing
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called like cholesterol or lipid nanoparticles, like real small cholesterol
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around there. So it's kind of like oily, right? So
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it protects the actual... the cell-free molecule so it doesn't degrade.
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But one agent that you asked about is an old
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type of compound or solvent called DMSO. DMSO is that
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transdermal agent that can carry these small molecules through that
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top layer called the stratum corneum, and it pulls it
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right through the three layers into the deep tissue. So
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that's what we use for a carrier. But the interesting
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thing is that FDA regulates that. So that's why it's
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hard for me right now to produce this as a
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over-the-counter or direct-to-consumer. This product that I have goes strictly
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to the doctors, and then they dispense it to the patients.
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But moving forward, we're doing a new development formulation that's
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going to go right to the consumer, and there's going
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to be a new type of penetration that's just like DMSO,
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but more acceptable and allowed for consumers to do right
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away without the doctor's script. Interesting.
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Oh, and I just had another question. I'm good, Charles? Yeah,
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you're good.
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So in your book, The Future of Regenerative Medicine, you
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discuss the evolution of health care. What is the single
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biggest misconception the general public or even traditional medicine currently
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has about regenerative therapy?
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Biggest thing that I'm, I guess the biggest thing that
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people need to realize is your own body has the
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ability to do what it needs to do. You just
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got to put it in the right environment. You've got
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to get everything in good unison. You've got to clear
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out the bad pathway. You've got to get the right signals.
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If you have the right signal, here's a great example.
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You know, you hear about the TRT, right? The testosterone. Well,
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that's a signal. It's a hormone. So as we age,
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those testosterone decreases. So we introduce our body with the
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synthetic testosterone and you're back to normal. It's a signal.
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All is a signal molecule. So that's what the secret is.
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Your testosterone is not doing anything more than signaling your
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existing tissue to do its job. So that's where medicine
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is shifting soon. You're going to start seeing things about signaling,
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signaling your own cells to do its job. You have
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the DNA. You have the code in your body to
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do what it's supposed to do. It just gets disturbed.
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It gets disturbed by external environmental. It could be from injury.
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It can be disturbed by all kinds of factors. But
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you have to think that if I can clear out
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this disturbance and just get a free, clear pathway and
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a strong signal, your body will function correctly. Your body,
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your cells don't die. We cycle through. You just have
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to have that signal to say, it's time to go.
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We'll bring a new one in.
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You know, do you have another question for him? Follow up?
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Go ahead.
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So, yeah.
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So, and again, this has to do with, you know
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what I mean, sports medicine. I want to know, as
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a sports injury bio, I'm sorry, sports injury and biomechanics expert,
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how do you see the intersection of physical structural therapies
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like chiropractic care and biomechanical interventions like regenerative signal?
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Yeah. So the beautiful thing about chiropractors is that we
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look at the body before it gets injured. So we're
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into the world of prehab. We want to catch you
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before you get injured. So if you have an athlete
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that has like a bad, like a little bend in
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his knee called a genuvalgum, you can start compromising the
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inside of the knee too much. And then that meniscus
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is going to get chewed up. Now, if you go
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to someone like us, we look at your alignment. We
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see what is going on. Do you have a tight
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IT band? Do you have a weak BMO? We look
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at all this type of muscles around your knee. We're
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going to make it stronger and look at it and
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see how can we get perfect, like the symmetry. So
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it balances correctly. If one pulls more, it's going to
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lean that way. So we want to look at that.
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But if we have that injury that we're not recovering, well,
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we have to get them first fixed, right? We have
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to get their structure fixed, but also we have to
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look at the biomechanics too. So It's a twofold thing, right?
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Correct their biomechanics, but then you have to regenerate that
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meniscus tear. And that's how regenerative medicine adds into that world.
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So athletes love the thought of getting themselves ready for
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a season. The offseason is very important to them. When
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you're in season for these athletes, they're not concerned about diet.
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They're just concerned about getting themselves back and playing again.
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It's about just staying on the field and doing their
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best and playing. Their health is important. Their diet is important,
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but it's not the most important thing. Their only thought
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right now is to get them back on the field,
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recover fast and get them on the field. They play injured.
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They're going to go through that process. But as we evolve,
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we're going to start seeing these athletes get injured less.
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You're going to start seeing things that injury reports going
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down because the real big thing is that how do
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you get this person that gets into that bottom sport
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of football to and control their body as they're getting
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hit around, right? So you have to get that tissue
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back to 100% to prepare themselves for those trauma.
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Now, just going back to football and sports and injury,
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I just wanted to get your opinion real quick on
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some of the players this year are wearing those halos.
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Have you seen those?
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You're talking about that? Yeah.
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Have you seen it?
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Do you have any thoughts on that?
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I don't know. I think it's, to me, any type
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of more cushion will help take the blow. So I'm
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not very familiar with that type of safety device, but
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it looks like it can work. I mean, it takes
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some of the blunt force out of it. So you're
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hitting a soft portion before you hit the outer plastic shell,
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and then you have the inner harder shell, and there's
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a little cushion inside that meets your skull. So, I mean,
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there's probably a lot of research behind it. and probably
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good stuff in there yeah it looks funny i know
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it looks funny right.
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It does it looks really funny i just you know
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working with the buccaneers and ucla i just wanted to
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get your opinion on it being up that close and
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personal you know to those athletes on a regular basis
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i'm sure you know that sort of thing comes up
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but last question for me Where do you see topical
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regenerative platforms expanding in the next five to 10 years?
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Are there applications for the everyday consumer wellness or will
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it remain focused on high performance sports medicine?
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So the beautiful thing about all these equipments and everything
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you hear about athletes, professional athletes, they're the first to
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try it out. They want to see what's out there.
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So that's our testing ground. So I have my athletes.
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They test it. They love it. it's going to slowly
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transition to the everyday person. Now, the tough thing is
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that stem cell therapy is sourced from a human tissue, right?
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The human tissue, you know, we get that mesenchymal stem
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cell and we get the signals from that and then
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we put it into a topical cream and then we
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add that transdermal agent and it gets through the skin
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and it delivers. Now, the tough thing is that it
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has to be in a mechanism with a doctor. The
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doctor gets it to you through a script and then
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they dispense it. The tough thing is that it costs money.
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You know, you have to have the doctor involved with it.
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You have to have the product and the processing to
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get to you through all that type of work is
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going to be a cost of like, you know, $ 700, 000
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for that particular kit. So if you can think that
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I am now trying to take this same signal that's
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coming from these stem cells and find it from a
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plant base, now I can go directly to the consumer.
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When I go directly to the consumer, I'm cutting off
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a lot of that cost. Now, I'm not using human tissue,
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so the process is different. Really important is that the cost,
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the end cost, and the final thing is that it
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goes right to the consumer. So you don't have to
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go to your doctor. You can order online. Write online
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and get it. So when you're dealing with arthritis, if
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you're dealing with any aches and pains, especially when we're
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over 40, well, that's what you need. You need to
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regenerate that tissue because you're overusing it. And then if
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you don't deal with that correctly, that arthritis turns into
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a knee replacement. And then if, you know, what happens
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with that? A lot of people do well, a lot
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of people don't do well. So I always say, avoid
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that by getting yourself into the healthy tissue, getting that
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signal in your body and really understanding why we are
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trying to get that longevity in our tissue. And in essence,
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it gives you a whole body wellness in that two
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world to being healthier.
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You know what? This time flew. And real quick, hold
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that thought real quick because we're at the top of
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the hour. I have to give an ID because we're
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actually live on the radio as well as on all
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our platforms. You're listening to We Talk Weekly after the
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talk on WPPMLP Philadelphia 106.5 FM. We Talk Weekly with
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your boy Charles Gregory and my guy.
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Big exclusive.
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And we have a Dr. Tommy Free here and amazing conversation. Now,
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I want you to continue. We have a few more
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minutes before I let you go. But I want you
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to expand upon the topical element, because in my head,
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I'm fighting with how can something topical and not quote unquote,
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invasive or needle work, you know, just as good because
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I'm like, okay, that's kind of, that's what we were
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programming the thing. And then I, then I, you know,
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I have to check myself and say, wait, the skin
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is the largest organ on a body, right? So it should,
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it should actually work. So I want you to just
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delve a little bit more into kind of the chemistry
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of what you're working on and how can people even,
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I know you said you have to get it to
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a doctor, but you're working on something else that might, but,
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you know, just walk people through that chemistry and how
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can they kind of participate in things that's less evasive
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than either being cut or needles, you know?
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Okay.
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So I'm at that age where I know what DMSO
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and my kind of like parents and their friends, use
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DMSO for. So DMSO is a solvent that back in
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the day used to, used to smell it from, uh,
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from people using for, uh, for arthritis and their knees
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or back. And it had a certain smell to it.
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So the first thing that they would say is that
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the minute you rub it on their knee or their back,
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you know, that's the smell, but the taste, you start
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tasting the sulfur in your tongue. That's how fast it
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goes to your system. I mean, within minutes, right? You
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start tasting it. So you have that ability to have
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DMSO transdermally go through there. Well, the FDA uses it
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to that side of getting to the skin, but they
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do it for a vehicle transfer. They'll deliver small molecules
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through your skin to get to that systemic or deep tissue.
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So think about those three layers, and you get DMSO
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that disturbs that top layer. Once it disturbs it, it
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opens that protective layer, and now you have a channel
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to get those little cell-free molecules through. And as it
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gets through, in due time, the door closes. Now it's
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penetrating through. The door constantly opens all three layers. And
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it gets to the deep tissue, and it starts saturating. Now,
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our body that's injured sends out a signal. It sends
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out a honing signal that says, hey, I'm injured. I
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need something. And that's where these type of cell-free biological
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biactive molecules follow into. It connects in there. And there's
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these receptors. There's receptors on the membrane. They see the
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signal and say, Hey, I fit right here, go here.
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And now the key is in the lung engaged, turn
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on that signal. And here's that message. And that's where
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that human tissue. Now, the cool thing about plants, plants
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do the same thing. There is a another version I'm
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developing that has a transdermal agent, just like DMSO, but
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not under the FDA regulation. So I can, trying to
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do a little secret world of like you know developing
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it but the neat thing about the plant base is
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that plants don't go to the membrane of the actual
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damaged tissue it's it's its goal is to go through
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the membrane of the damaged tissue and get to the
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actual dna you want to get to the chromosome and
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signal it do the job so that's what's going to
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be fun about this now we're not going into a
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receptor on the membrane we're going to go through the
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membrane to the actual chromosomes of the DNA of the
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tissue and say, here I am, here's your signal.
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That's amazing. Yeah, this is so fascinating to me. And
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I think that, you know, we're going to have, I
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would love for you to come back, especially when your
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product is done and you can send some over to
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We Talk Weekly and we can test it and all that.
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Old good stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I just want to say thank you for coming
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to the show. This was amazing, fantastic. I never heard
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a lot of the information and I'm thankful that you
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sent us the book so we can take a look
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and continue to support. And before we let you go,
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I have one question for you, right? Because you are
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very well researched and you have done a lot of
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work as it relates to, you know, just health and wellness, right?
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What is the actual legacy that you would like to leave?
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I want to leave something that people say, he helped me.
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directly indirectly he helped me you know either through the
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conversations we're having here or just my hands on them
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or my product i that's what i wanted i i
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feel that my gift to this world is to help people.
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Fantastic give a round of applause for that yeah right
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yes well doctor listen we're super excited to have you
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to have had you on the show for this conversation
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this was such an amazing interview. This time flew so fast.
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How can, you know, for those who are watching, because
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you're talking to an international audience where, you know, because
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we're on the radio and, you know, we're on iHeartMedia,
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we're all over the place, right? I mean, we have
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people in Africa who has been listening to us in
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the UK and giving us comments and thanking us for
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the show and things of that nature, making sure that
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they get this information. And I think You're talking the
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information that you're giving right now is just a worldwide
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kind of support that they can definitely use. And so
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how can they get in contact with you and find
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out more about what you're doing and when you release
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all of your products?
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Okay. You can get a hold of my website, which
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is R-H-E-E-G-E-N.com. On there, you can see a lot about
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the information about the topical stem cell. And then, of course,
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my book is there. And then you can just shoot
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me a little email right there on info and then
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ask me a question. And then, of course, all the
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social media and the Google and all that stuff, you
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can find me.
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For sure. For sure.
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Well, I'd like to thank you for coming to the show.
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You got something you want to holler at him about
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real quick? Tell him bye.
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No, I just want to say when the plant-based product
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is ready, just let us know. I wouldn't mind going
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through trials with you, you know, with that plant-based product.
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Yeah. Oh, you're going to love this thing.
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That way I can give testimonial. 100%. 100%.
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I would definitely get involved. All right. All right.
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Fantastic.
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I love it. Thank you.
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Well, we appreciate you, Dr. Tommy Ray. So we want
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to make sure that one thing that we say on
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the show is once you come to the show, you're
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a friend to the show. So you're always welcome to
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come back. But again, we'd like to thank you for coming.
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into the show and we wish you the best. And
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you make sure that you stay in contact with Retalk Weekly.
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Absolutely. Thank you, guys. I really appreciate this.
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No problem. You take care now.