WWE SMACKDOWN POST-SHOW (3/13) - Keller & Corbridge talk about pros and cons of Orton turning on Cody, Drew, Jelly Roll, Jade

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the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show. It's time to
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talk this week's WWE Friday Night SmackDown. Well, Eric, it
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was touching for a while, Cody and Randy reminiscing, Cody saying,
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when I left WWE, you said, and it might not
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have been popular media that I'd be champion, world champion someday.
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And then I came back and there was no Cody Verse,
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and there was no brother, and yet there was Randy.
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And then it led to Rennie brutally turning on him.
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What'd you think?
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Aleister Black was right? He called it all along, and
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I honestly did not see this coming tonight. I thought
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if someone was going to turn, it was going to
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happen weeks from now, were possibly even at WrestleMania. Yeah,
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and I didn't think Orton would turn at all, because
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I find it hard to believe anyone's going.
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To boo him exactly.
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Yep, as a legacy star that has the clout that
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he just can't be booed. And I don't feel dissuaded
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from that when there are Randy Randy chants in the
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middle of him bloodying the top babyface in the company.
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I will say I was surprised it wasn't when he
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first attacked him that they didn't pop like, yes, you're
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beating up. Well, if we wish we're in your place,
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we're living vicariously through you. There were some Randy chance
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I think that I mean, to me, this was not
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best case scenario, but actually a more pro Cody and
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at least a muted response to Randy's attack than I
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was expecting. If I'm Cody and Randy and Paula Beck
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and Doboby, I just I think this was, as you say, risky,
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but I think it worked in the top, in the
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top realm of what they had any hope to expect.
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Yeah, I totally agree. My thought process, it thought process
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as it was unfolding was Oh, they are not cheering
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this immediately. If anyone can maybe pull this off, it's Orton.
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But it's going to have to be incredibly vicious, and
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I think he did as well as possible. It's going
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to be what are they going to do over the
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next five weeks to maintain this so that Cody's not
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getting booed out of the building at WrestleMania.
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Now you mentioned you know, they're not going to turn
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Randy because people aren't going to be Randy. A lot
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of people were thinking, hey, Cody, you know, is due
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for a heel turn. I've warmed up to the possibility
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of doing it. That's it. I'm just I'm like, the
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worst option for me was just both of being baby
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Face going into the match and coming out of the match,
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just given that that's sort of what Punk and Roman
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are doing. Although Punk and Roman are and taking this
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towards each other, and if you watch the first seventy
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percent of this segment, you go, Okay, the difference is
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Cody and Randy are brothers, They're you know, they're friends.
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It's going to be sort of a love fest in
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the build up, but they'll be at some point some edge.
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It's Randy. You know, you know what's going to happen.
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But instead of just the overt animosity that Punk and
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Roman have, it'd be face face matchup two friends. That's
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out the window. Cody turning is more intriguing, But Randy
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going heel, if they can get it to work, I'm
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I admire them taking on the challenge. I mean, I
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don't think it's it's not the it's not I've been
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against it, so I don't want to sound like hypocritical
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or backing down from my stance. But there's Randy's a
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good heel and Cody's a good baby face, and if
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they can pull this off, if they think they can
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pull it off, I'm not gonna be sort of preemptively
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or or immediately critical of it. I know there's going
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to be some who are just think it'd be fresher
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to keep Randy a baby face. People love him and
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all that, But Randy going, I need this. It wasn't
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supposed to be so difficult. This was supposed to be Drew.
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It showed, you know that there are some voices in
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his head that they foreshadowed a little bit last week
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with his advice to Sammy's dying to be selfish. So
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I mean they go, they have I don't almost say
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work to do because I think I don't know, I
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don't know if that exactly applies here, but they need
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to work to sustain and build and steer fans away
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from in the next month siding back with Randy against Cody,
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and that's going to take somethinesse.
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Yeah, I agree. It's so weird to me that it's
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typically so much easier to establish a heel, but yet
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WW has this giant, gigantic problem where all they have
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is babyface is now, and that to the point where
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someone like Drew McIntyre doesn't have opponents left. If don't
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feel that feel fresh with I do agree they made
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the right move. If they were gonna turn somebody, I
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think this is the right way to go. I know
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that so many people are ready for the Cody turn,
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and you can hear the audience. Many of them are
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starting to warm up to it, just like everyone else's.
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But it's so hard to get someone as over as
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he's been as a babyface, and I feel like you
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really have to milk that until you really just can't
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do it anymore. And this is the right way to go.
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But Orton's gonna have to spend five weeks doing one
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heinous thing after another. It's gonna have to be attacked.
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I'm sure he'll have to bring Brandy into this, They'll
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have to bring dogs into this, and I don't even
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know what else. But if anyone can pull it off,
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it's a veteran like Orton. So I do have some
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cautious optimism that they can pull this off. But we'll see.
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I will say the last ten minutes of that show
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exponentially increased my interest level in that match and for
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WrestleMania Night one, presuming that's going to be the main
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event of Night one.
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Yeah, I mean the question is exactly what is the
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follow up and how do they build on why we
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should dislike and be against Randy. And it's going to
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take some of the best work of Cody's career to
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do this, because he has you know that fans turn
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on him in aw and and there're you know, little
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samples of it in the last month and recent months,
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and there's a sentiment online that that might be the
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right thing to do. But I mean, Randy's turned a lot.
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But the thing about Randy now and this is I
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think what they have to pull off is do we
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believe it's still Randy Orton like or is this just
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sort of a cartoon villain? You know, Becky Lynch, we
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know who she is and else she's prettying to be
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something else. Or Adam colpland we know who we are
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is but he's just playing the role now of being
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a mean, you know, vicious heel. I think I think
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Randy is a babyface. When he's a babyface and a heel,
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he can be the same guy, but with different motivations
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or a different set of circumstances that drive his actions.
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And it's part of the edge that he has as
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a baby face that makes it believable when he turns heel.
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And I guess that's the the you know, to me,
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the goal should be, the course should be don't have
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Randy turn into a cartoon villain that's disconnected from who
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people know he now has become, because then it's like
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John Cena last year. Ah, you know, I'm going to
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pretend to be a villain because now I'm supposed to be,
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but you know I'm not because I'm doing talk shows
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and acting like my normal self Otherwise.
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I think they're fortunate that they've laid the groundwork for
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this for not only the bulk of Orton's career where
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he's been disconnected from reality many times because he has
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voices in his head that they can always but even
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the last few months when Alistair Black has been in
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his head, and I think they get if Orton comes
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out next week or whenever he's out on the show
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again and says and his his motivation and his framing
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for what he did is blaming Cody for this. Cody,
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it's your fault. This happened. You're the one who won
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the championship because you're selfish, and now I'm going to
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take it from you because you left me no choice.
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And this matters it. It harkened back for me to
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when Steve Austin was desperate and aligned with Vince McMahon
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in Restman seventeen. He was desperate, he said going into that,
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I have to win this match, and that's the same
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way Orton's acting.
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Now.
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Hey, I haven't Maine invented a lot. I don't know
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how many many more I'm going to get. I have
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to win this match. I need it more than you Cody,
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and this is your fault.
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And I did like the line. It was, this wasn't
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supposed to be difficult. This is supposed to be supposed
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to be opposite of Drew, And it was Randy acknowledging
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I feel like I have to do this, but I
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don't want to. But in the closing scene of him
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sitting on that chair and putting the belt in his
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lap and then holding it up like it's around his
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waist and being in contemplating what it'll feel like to
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be champion again, the message there is he was he
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was thinking through I didn't like doing that, but I
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had to because this in my lap is more important.
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That's why I did it. So it's like he was
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almost kind of rationalizing or justifying his own actions to himself,
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kind of reinforcing, this is why I did this. And
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so again we'll see if it works. You know, it'll
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be ring entrances and and and then the moves and
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how the crowd reacts to the story they tell in
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the ring at WrestleMania, and then what the crowd direction
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is to the finish, and then the reception they h
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they each received the following Monday or the you know,
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Monday after the Monday after Mania, whatever whatever it is.
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So so we'll see.
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Yeah, I agree, it's going to come down to Orton. Really,
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I think because he's good enough to make this work.
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How motivated is he pretty motivated? So I think he
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can pull it off. But it's going to be intriguing.
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Let's add some chat comments in a moment to the conversation.
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We'll put them on the screen for our YouTube viewers.
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But let's first introduce ourselves in the show, and then
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certainly we'll talk about more more happenings on the show.
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You have how many talking points? Eric had thirteen talking
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points written down? All right, cool, but one of them
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just says Dan Housen.
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So I don't even know how much of a talking
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point that is.
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Yeah, I mean we can you know what, maybe we
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can do ten talking points in five minutes, in the
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last five minutes of the show and have it run.
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Eric, Welcome, Thanks, very appreciate it. Always happy to be here.
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Yes, yeah, excellent. So let's tell people how they can
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All right, let's get to it. Let's talk SmackDown, and
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let's actually get to some chat comments, as I promise,
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and we'll start with superchats. Super chats are always invited
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and welcome. Thank you. Derek is up first. The last
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time both major WWE World Championship matches at Resumedia featured
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pure babyface versus pure baby face matchups was it Resumedia
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twenty three and two thousand and seven. Sena against HB
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K for the w title and Batista versus Taker for
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the World title. All right, that's interesting. Yeah, well we
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don't get that this year.
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Yeah, let's say, first reaction, I guess we're not getting
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it this year either. Yep.
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Derek adds, it's also a recurring flaw with a lot
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of clean cut babyfaces. Guys such as Cody Rhoades and
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Staying often put their trust in people who have a
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long history of turning on others and paying the price.
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Do you think Eric, they took precautions to not make
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Cody look naive and foolish and leave himself vulnerable. I
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think I'll answer this a little bit myself with the video.
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I think they protected him a bit, you know, in
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the sense that he was walking into the ring in
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a business, in a form of entertainment in Cannon, where
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you should be on alert that you're going to be
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turned on, and yet I don't think it was the
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overwhelming assumption by viewers that Randy was going to turn
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I think Cody walked into a situation where people weren't going,
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watch out, Cody, He's gonna turn on you, but instead
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we're going either, Yeah, another face face matchup. Their brothers
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are good, They're gonna fight it out. Can't wait to
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see it. It's you know, they have too much respect
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for each other. Randy's at a point where you know
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he's in a different place and they just weren't or
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you're kind of groaning, You're like, oh, it's gonna be
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two nice guys against each other. That's gonna be boring.
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But they had convinced people. I think Cody's a good dude,
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Randy's a good dude. They have a history that's just
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going to be it. And even if, like deep down
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you kind of know no better or have some doubt,
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I think they did put Cody in a situation where
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he doesn't look just utterly foolish, because I do think
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Randy had so much babyface good will built up and
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was so convincing that he's in a new place in
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his life and the history of Cody and Randy was
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there that I don't think Cody looked foolish and he
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didn't misclues and turn his back either.
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Your thoughts, Yeah, if I agree with that, and if
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we are as an audience, I'm sure there's plenty of
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people who assumed it was gonna happen this way, because
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there always is. But I think a lot of the
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audience didn't see it coming. And if we didn't see it,
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I mean we shouldn't expect Cody to be able to
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see it coming.
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Right, That's what Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. And also they've also done such a good job
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of giving Cody so many other people that he has
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to worry about, like Sammy Zain and anybody else who's
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Jacob Fatu, that you've got to assume that he's got
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to put his trust in somebody. So he's probably not
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thinking about the guy he's been the friends with the
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longest yep.
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And you could say, well, now in retrospect, he thinks,
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oh god, it's Randy. It's a rattlesnake. He needed this title.
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He's talked about, you know, I've only made avenute twice.
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I need, you know, and he wants to make it
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fifteen hit. All these motivations. But I think what Cody's
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promo next week or the week after whenever he's back,
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maybe takes a week off to sell the injuries sorry
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rally that he could and uh, he could end up
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saying it his promo that he allowed himself to believe
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because of their history that Randy was going to be
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a stand up guy. And you know, I mean, there's
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a number of directions Cody can go with this. He
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can also you don't want to extinguish the heal heat
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if there is heel heat with Randy, and I think
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you know there is and there will be if they
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kind of keep going on this road. But I think
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Cody can can can say I would be angry just
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about anyone else doing it, but Randy, it's a compliment.
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You felt you needed to go to that place to
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beat me, and it hurt. I have time to recover.
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I'm emotionally hurt, I'm physically hurt, but at the same
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time I understand and now what I must do is
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also go to a similar dark place. And I don't
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know the last time I've been there, but if you're
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going there, I'm going there. And what you did to
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me sucked and I feel betrayed. But it's a compliment.
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You felt you had to do it in order to
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try to beat me, and that is going to motivate
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me to train, work hard and enter that ring with
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more confidence and by the way, more determination. I mean,
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I think there's a good babyface promo there where he's
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not whining. He's also not extinguishing the heel heat. He's
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not blowing it off like you know so I but
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that doesn't have to be. I mean, obviously Cody and
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Randy and the whole creative feed but thought this through.
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They've got ideas. I mean, they've got their their route.
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It might be great, and you know there's multiple ways
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it can go, but just in kind of imagining, how
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do you navigate sort of the landmines of Cody being
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whiny or Cody extinguishing the heel heat or kind of
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going down a trope road. I think there's a way
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for just Cody and Randy. I know you better than anybody,
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for you to do it. It's a compliment you felt
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you needed to and now I'm going to. And I
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think that gets people amped up for the match and
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more behind Cody than him just you know, whining and
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going how could you?
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Well, you've got my brain spinning now, because I've already
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thought three weeks of this now in my head, which
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I'm sure none of this will come true. So here
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we go. I feel like next week, Cody stays away,
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sells his injuries, Orton speaks out about why he did this,
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whatever he wants to say.
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Say.
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They could even do something crazy like have Brandy come
480
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down and confront I know, I know, scary thought. What
481
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.680
if Orton gives her an r KO and then Cody
482
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comes back, or maybe it's too soon for something like that,
483
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.519
but maybe when Cody comes back, he says exactly what
484
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you said, It's an honor to have you do this
485
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to me. And that just makes Orton even matter. He's like,
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how dare you turn this into a respectful thing, and
487
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.039
then he just destroys him again and just continues to
488
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lay him out until Cody has no other choice but
489
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.519
to fight fire with fire. And this could be something
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that down the line we look at as the the
491
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real catalyst that actually turns Cody down the road. You know,
492
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we've seen teases of it now. But if this, you know,
493
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his arguable best friend in the company and mentor did
494
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this to him at the worst possible time. Yeah, this
495
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is this is fodder for that for later.
496
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It also could extend. I think what you say is
497
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true that it could be the just returning hill, but
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00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.880
it can also extend him getting cheered as a babyface
499
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:05.559
because he ends up having more of an edge to
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himself and handled this turn with yeah, I was gonna
501
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say no with now with class. Grace is a word,
502
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but he handled it with like dignity and and and
503
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:22.960
kind of an alpha male sorry Kit Wilson mentality that
504
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:27.240
like the alpha dynamic, like he's not he's not. He's hurt,
505
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:32.960
but he's not crushed like Cody's been through a lot now,
506
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and he can come out of this as a babyface
507
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that fans look at and respect more because he took
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on not a soft Randy but a determined Randy. He
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was willing to do what he did tonight and say
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whatever he's going to say next, and and made it
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through retaining his title, which I assume he'll do, but
512
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I don't know. I mean, I want to say assume
513
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I put my money on imertaining, but I don't know.
514
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You know, they might think it's good that Brandy have
515
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another title win and I don't. I'm not definitely not
516
00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:59.599
ruling that out either, and that can be another way
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they tell story.
518
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So yeah, Eric, So one other thing that was on
519
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my mind was now that this has happened the way
520
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:10.680
it has played out today, was having Orton win the
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chamber and challenge Cody the right choice for the main
522
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event as opposed to all the other multiman options. We
523
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:18.519
were all thinking what was going to happen or was
524
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it going to be McIntyre versus Orton. I think they
525
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.000
landed on the right choice because this is the most
526
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compelling story to tell.
527
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YEP. I think they if they were willing to tell
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this story and they have it mapped out how they're
529
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telling the story, and they believed this would work, and
530
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I think it worked tonight. I'm very open to discussion
531
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.160
on this. I mean, I'm because it is a it
532
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.079
is a bold move. I think they're like, they looked
533
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.079
at this and they said, we have fresh material to
534
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:51.319
work with. For five weeks Withdrew, we just didn't yeah,
535
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you know story.
536
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.799
And I get that we'll probably get a three Star
537
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:58.960
Classic at WrestleMania, and that's just that will not be
538
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.079
something people want. They can make it work.
539
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.400
The thing with Yeah, I mean, if Cody and Randy
540
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have a mid card match or just a regular pay
541
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.200
per view match and it's the three and a quarter
542
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.799
special that they both were kind of known for pre
543
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:14.519
Cody leaving and when Randy was younger. That's one thing
544
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.079
this match is about more than that, and the WrestleMania
545
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:24.200
setting in the stakes, in the backstory is such where, Yeah,
546
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:25.880
if you don't know the backstory and you're just looking
547
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:27.440
for wrestling moves, I think you're looking at three in
548
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.440
a quarter. But I think there is with body language,
549
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.880
what they do between moves, the saga, the emotional weight
550
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.200
of the moment, they're gonna be able to tell a
551
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.880
really good story. So I think athletically, there's gonna be
552
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.920
some limitations, but there's gonna be, you know, an efficiency
553
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.279
of movement to an extreme in terms of you know,
554
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.599
but I don't know. I mean, I don't think it'll
555
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.640
I don't think it'll matter. I think would it be,
556
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.599
you know, great, if they could have everything I just
557
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.319
described and go back twelve years in time athletically and
558
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.680
make Cody athletic wrestler and Randy Moore flashy you know whatever. Sure,
559
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.640
but I think they'll be just fine. I'll be surprised
560
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:08.920
if they don't end up. That's where the star scales.
561
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:12.079
It's hard to mean on it too hard. Yeah, but
562
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.559
I know what you're saying, and that it's not like, oh,
563
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:16.920
finally we're gonna get this dream match of this this
564
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.559
you know, athletic matches off the charts for the ages
565
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.000
I mean, but that's not what I mean. It's not
566
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.119
what sells the most tickets. You want to have some
567
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.920
of it, for sure, you need some of it more
568
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:26.400
often than not.
569
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.640
But this is the match I personally wanted for Cody
570
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.880
to have last year when WrestleMania, and I wanted that
571
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.759
to be his match this year. I want to be
572
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.799
Cody versus Orton. So I've been I've been hoping this
573
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.279
was going to happen. I just didn't think it was
574
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.279
going to up until about three weeks ago. Yeah.
575
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:43.079
Well, let's let's throw some more check comments up. I
576
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.079
won't pause in between each one here, but we can
577
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:50.000
react to some of them. First up, mister Freshman, I
578
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.000
hate this turn they're booking is all over the place.
579
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.440
Fans don't know who to cheer or boom. Well, okay,
580
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.920
I'm pausing. I'm commenting. They know who they're supposed to.
581
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.440
Fans know who they're supposed to boo Randy, they know
582
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.240
who they're supposed to cheer Cody, and I think Cody
583
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.200
is popular enough and Randy is an effect enough. He'll
584
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.039
that they're being told what to do with punkin rains. Yeah,
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00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.240
you're not being told with John Moxley and Takeshta. You're
586
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.599
not being told in aw but you are here. I
587
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:18.720
mean now, the question is, well fans go along with
588
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.559
what they're being told to do. Well that means to
589
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.200
be seen Jack Reef not a great SmackDown, but that
590
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:25.640
ending the blood it's literally squirting out of Cody's head.
591
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I guess won't be seeing anything like that again anytime soon.
592
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:32.400
Good ending. I hope Orton can keep it up. Sean
593
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.440
thin fire Fry Sorry, says Randy needed this. Heal turn
594
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:42.599
happy to be here, Legacy, Randy is done all right.
595
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.240
Derek Mitchell says, anyone who didn't see this coming from Randy,
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I don't know what to tell you.
597
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:50.119
Take that.
598
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:54.200
Eric, Then Santivation says, I didn't see it coming, lol.
599
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.799
I thought they'd be better than that. At least Cody
600
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.720
remains a baby face though. I I'm curious if there
601
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:02.559
will be mops so we'll say that either. I do
602
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.799
wonder if there's going to be a lot of pushback
603
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.960
of WWE turning Randy with such a great headwind, because
604
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.400
people just genuinely started to like him in a different
605
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.359
way than they ever had, and now they see this
606
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.079
as a turn of convenience and circumstance rather than something
607
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.039
in the natural flow. I get that, but I will
608
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:22.599
push back and I will say this is in the
609
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.319
natural flow. Randy did not turn into Elia Draganoff, a
610
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.079
man of principle who won't take a title shot because
611
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:29.960
he doesn't think his mom would think he earned it.
612
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.799
Yet he's not Speedball Mike Bailey, you know, like it's
613
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:39.400
Randy and he wants a championship and he wants number fifteen,
614
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.000
and this show's there's some doubt he could do it
615
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.160
without this, and he also, ultimately I think can circle
616
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.640
back and go you know, I did this actually for
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00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.599
Cody too. Now, granted he bloodied him, he kicked him
618
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:52.880
in the crotch, it was a brutal beat down. It's
619
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.720
hard to make the case like he couldn't have sent
620
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:57.000
the message in a different way, but it's you know,
621
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.720
in that respect, it's pro wrestling, and pro wrestlers deliver
622
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.839
mess in different ways because there will be a redemption
623
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.880
moment for Randy where he breaks down and you know,
624
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.279
regrets or I don't know. I mean, that's that we're
625
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:09.759
getting way ahead of ourselves. We don't need to do
626
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.000
that tonight. But getting Randy back to a babyface for
627
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.319
you know, another stance of his crew. And then maybe
628
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.200
this is a short heel run, you know, and maybe
629
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.359
something happens with the comedie and he's just like, oh god,
630
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.279
what that's to voice get in my head. I'm sorry,
631
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.759
Cody and coach like, I'm never trusting you again. But
632
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:26.839
I also accept your apology because I do believe it
633
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:28.720
cans here. But I know you're you will. You will
634
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.559
turn on me again if you think that'll do it'll
635
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:32.480
help you. But I forgive you because I know who
636
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.839
you are. Next time, I'll see it coming. I mean,
637
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:35.400
I just think there's ways to handle Randy. But this
638
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:36.680
doesn't feel unnatural.
639
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.240
No, I agree, And for anyone who thinks that they didn't,
640
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:43.200
we don't know who to cheer and who to boo.
641
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:45.720
When the second thing he does is kick can below
642
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.400
the belt, that's your first sign that he's turning heel.
643
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.920
This is a bad guy now. And then that's just
644
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.839
exhibit A. If you're in a courtroom, you can give
645
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.160
exhibit A through about I just from what he did
646
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.240
tonight and show them why you know exactly who to
647
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:03.359
boo here. It's just the wrestling confuses it in many
648
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.599
other ways because of the music and because of the
649
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.079
all the things they do that don't help. But the
650
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:10.599
He'll turn was very clear.
651
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:16.240
Yeah, absolutely, Before pushing play on the way Keller Pro
652
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so big picture, Cody remaining babyface probably overrides everything else. Yeah,
665
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.680
I'm I'm okay with Cody saying babyface. I mean, line
666
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.599
up some good heels, keep him face for a while.
667
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.960
If you can delay it longer, good. The more you
668
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.240
can get out of him as a babyface before you
669
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.480
turn him, the better. But it has it. You don't
670
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.119
want to turn him because he's not over anymore, you know, like,
671
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.119
oh we extinguished, you know, every every avenue to keep
672
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.119
a baby face. That's just kind of pathetic. This isn't.
673
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.559
This just feels like, you know, Cody's being true to
674
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:27.079
who he is. Celevision three says a good way to
675
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.039
spice up this feud, but getting Randy Boode won't work.
676
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.200
A crowd will pick him over Cody. This willne up
677
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.200
being a double turn by the end. Interesting a double turn, Eric.
678
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.400
It's possible. I mean, if they're gonna have a double
679
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.960
turn a main event of WrestleMania makes sense for two
680
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.160
main eventors like this. So, however, there could be several
681
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.559
double turns at this WrestleMania if I'm really looking at it.
682
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:49.160
So I don't know where they're going with some of this.
683
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.480
Very much argue that Sammy's a and Trick Williams could
684
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.319
be doing a double turn. Yeah, yeah, that one's right
685
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:57.759
there too.
686
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.240
They're working hard and I think doing a good we'll
687
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.839
get into that of having Trick come across more heelish
688
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.480
and chipping away a little bit at fans knowing this
689
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.639
is the coolest guy in the company. All right, next,
690
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.840
mister freshman says man, this turn feels so out of
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00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.039
touch for me. Feels like twenty eighteen when they turn
692
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:17.199
Becky on Charlotte expecting the crowd to boot Becky. The
693
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.119
thing is that just people know Randy is Randy, you know,
694
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.320
it's actually you're always it's less believable when Randy's a
695
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.960
baby face, and when Becky's a baby face, right, that's
696
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:28.840
the thing, you know. I mean, it's just this is
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00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.480
Randy going back to who he knows, you know, who
698
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.400
he kind of This is his resting face. Is heal?
699
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.519
You know, like everything else is put on. Did he
700
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.000
do a good job convincing us to some degree that
701
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.800
he had gotten past that? Yeah, But this is a
702
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.360
temptation in a moment in time where I think I
703
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.599
can see themselves talking themselves into it, and I don't
704
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.199
like shame them for talking themselves into bs. I mean,
705
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.679
I think, and we let's give him a few weeks
706
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:56.239
to tell this story too. Yeah, Derek Mitchell says, I agree,
707
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Randy probably won't get booed, but I don't think it'll
708
00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:59.559
result in a double turn. This is a second year
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00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.679
in a row, an older former champion turned on Cody
710
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:05.559
heading into Mania. Is there something about this that's too
711
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:06.519
much like last year?
712
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.880
I don't think so. The John Cena story was so
713
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.280
different in so many ways. I understand the comparison is
714
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:18.000
just because they were too similar aged legacy stars, but
715
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.000
it's I don't see there's too many other similarities there.
716
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.360
Yeah, mister Freshman says, clearly the fans wanted to hear Randy.
717
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:25.840
Did they not learn their lesson from the OTF fated
718
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:28.920
seen it turned last year? The difference is Randy's going
719
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.559
to be all in on this and Sena wasn't. The
720
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:33.880
Sena thing was sort of last second, think about it, Okay,
721
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.239
I'll do it, Randy. It's like, yeah, it's a lot
722
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.159
more fun to be a heel, and Randy has been
723
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.760
a heel, Sena hadn't been. Randy's more often healed than
724
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:46.199
a face. Statistically, I think, and deep down, you're not
725
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.360
Randy is a heel, is not competing with who people
726
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.519
think Randy really is, even if he convinced people in
727
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.360
recent years he's changed. Sina just felt like he was
728
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:57.079
performing a cartoonish heel role because that's what the script
729
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:58.519
called for and it never got past that.
730
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.559
Yeah, and frankly, if we talk about some of the
731
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.400
failures with Sena last year was because of the supporting
732
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.519
characters that were there in the beginning and then just disappeared.
733
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.679
It sure seems like they're going to involve Jelly Role
734
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.079
in this main event. And he's such a big fan
735
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.119
and he's I thought he was tremendous tonight in his segment.
736
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.639
But if they involve him in this, he'll be all
737
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.960
in to help help Cody out and he won't abandon it,
738
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.719
and he'll probably get taken out at some point and
739
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:27.960
they'll do a much better job.
740
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:28.400
I think.
741
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.360
I think there's a good chance Jelly Role is involved
742
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:34.840
in something with miss or Dan Housen before he ends
743
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.679
up involved again in this. I think this is more
744
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.199
and I could be wrong. I mean, I'm not like,
745
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.400
I don't have a certitude about this by any means,
746
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.239
but I think Jelly will happen to be there this week,
747
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.559
and it was to tell the story with Miz, and
748
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:49.960
I think he just was a good dude who was
749
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:51.960
there to go, hey, let me help out what's happening.
750
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.760
I think I could see him just not in the
751
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.280
mixtup again with this, I could imagine for sure Cody
752
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.599
and Randy and Paula Beckn are just going well, No,
753
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.679
Jelly Rold doesn't fit here. There's not enough history. It
754
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.320
made sense for him to do what he did this week,
755
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.039
So I'm hoping for that, and I wouldn't I wouldn't
756
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.519
assume it and be like agitated.
757
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.639
Yet right right, right now, I get that. I just
758
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.920
thought he did so well tonight. He's kind of won
759
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.320
me over. I didn't even honestly, I didn't know much
760
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:21.599
about him until he became involved with WWE. But he
761
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.280
continues to do a lot with what he's given and
762
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:27.960
he's believable. So if they wanted to find a way
763
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.719
to get more heat, Orton could take out him with
764
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.960
an RKO. Now that would get a lot of heat.
765
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:34.519
I think they could make it work, and they could
766
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.119
even have him if they wanted to involved in multiple
767
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:43.440
segments like moving Forward, something more mining for him, and
768
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.840
then just a little bit with this main event segment.
769
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.960
Kit Wilson didn't convince you that he's fat shaming.
770
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.960
I thought that was pretty good. Yeah, I thought that
771
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.199
was a much more innocent version of what Kit Wilson's
772
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:58.960
been doing. That I thought was actually pretty funny.
773
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.159
It's so absurd.
774
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.679
Yeah, how dare you not be fat anymore? Now? You
775
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:06.760
hate fat people, don't you?
776
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:11.199
It's yeah, yeah, like so without Yeah, I mean, Jelly
777
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.159
Row's not going. I was a fat slob and I
778
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.280
did something about It's all you fat slobs. You should
779
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.440
do something about it. You're weak. Yeah I was weak.
780
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:20.639
He's not. That's not what he's doing, you know. So
781
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:21.760
I'm waiting for.
782
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:23.639
Him to bring a picture of like the Miz with
783
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.239
acne as a kid, and he's gonna come in and say,
784
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.079
look at you. You got rid of your acne because you
785
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:29.239
hate people with acne.
786
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:35.239
You're an Yeah yeah, all right, Um more on. Uh
787
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.360
Drew Cody here sethera vision three says if Cody goes
788
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.440
the woes Me route in the next promo, the crowd
789
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:42.199
will eat him alive. If he stays face. Yes, it
790
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:43.960
has to be an f U all guns, bleazing attitude
791
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.440
or else he'll get destroyed. Yes, I think you can
792
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.639
do that. I think Cody's capable of some nuance here too,
793
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:49.960
though you know, I don't think it just has to
794
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.079
be Hangman page threatening to kill, you know. I mean, like,
795
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:56.000
I think Cody's capable and his Cody and Hangman are
796
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.880
similar in certain ways as wholesome baby faces. But Hangman
797
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.599
is full of death threats and Cody isn't. And I
798
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.480
think if he goes there, and I'm against haying Man,
799
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.960
you know, being at level eleven all the time and
800
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.920
you know so often more often than not, but Cody
801
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.360
should be fired up. But I think there's a room,
802
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.559
because of the dynamic and history with Cody and Randy
803
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.639
for Cody to almost be like kind of it's hard,
804
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.079
it's weird to say, but like, I just I get it.
805
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.679
I get when Reddy did it. Anytime you're on Randy,
806
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.800
you know it can happen. I wish it didn't happen.
807
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.719
I'm heartbroken, but I'm also not shocked whatever. I mean.
808
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:31.960
I just I think there's a way to do that
809
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.280
without just yelling and frothing and threat.
810
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.119
I mean, and I was saying, how Randy will blame
811
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.559
Cody for this, but Cody could blame himself for not
812
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.880
seeing it coming too. Yeah, you could sit there and
813
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.480
be like, why, I know Randy better than anybody else.
814
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.440
I can't believe I didn't see it coming. I'm an idiot,
815
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.480
and now I you know I should have expected this.
816
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.400
Mm hmm. Yeah. Mark Bisquetti says Cody is the one
817
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.400
who needed to turn. This is a bad move, and
818
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:56.440
Orton has turned so many times. This didn't surprise me
819
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:00.199
at all. I called it before it happened, tone deaf move,
820
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.679
and I mean, I'll just I wasn't gonna possil is schues,
821
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:07.000
but I get it. Yeah, and I'm kind of surprised.
822
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.519
That's not my stance. But I do think there was
823
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.840
enough that I've laid out here since you guys posted this.
824
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.679
By the way, these are from you know, at the
825
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.360
top of the show. When these got posted, I think
826
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.360
there's enough here where you go. I kind of get
827
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.280
there's a different kind of story to tell. Then we
828
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.320
turn the wrong guy to protect Cody. I think that's
829
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.880
it's sort of the default. And I say this without
830
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.159
trying to sound like I'm shaming people for saying the obvious,
831
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.519
but this is sort of the I put no additional
832
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.360
thought into it. This falls into a bucket. I'm gonna
833
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.199
call it. I'm gonna call it this because it seems
834
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.920
like it fits in this bucket, and I get that,
835
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.480
and most often it's right. I think there's enough here
836
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:45.920
that you should give it a little bit more time.
837
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.599
Yeah, when Seena turned Heel, we all thought it was great.
838
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.599
It was almost unanimous praise, and it just didn't play
839
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.519
out very well. So with this one, I actually think
840
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.639
it's great that so many people are so passionate about
841
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.079
their response to it, because now we're going to be
842
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.360
curious to see how it plays out. We might find
843
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.480
out in eight weeks that it was a terrible idea,
844
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.199
but it also could be good. It'll be, but it's compelling.
845
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:12.920
At least they might have a contingency plan if the
846
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.079
crowd's boot channing Randy, Randy and Boo and Cody. Honestly,
847
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.480
maybe maybe there's a contingency plan. There's two roads this
848
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.840
can take, and they're ready to take, you know, an
849
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.239
alternate path. If things don't go their way, they don't
850
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.079
want to fight it again. But I don't think Cody
851
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.840
did anything wrong tonight. You know, I don't think he
852
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.039
did anything to pass fans to boom. I don't think
853
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.480
he was too sappy or sentimental.
854
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:34.880
You know.
855
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.760
It just he met Randy and and you know, I
856
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.559
wouldn't say it's self deprecating, but he goes there's no
857
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:41.960
Cody first. You know, I don't. I don't know how
858
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.400
often he's talked about that, yes, Kennon, Yeah, I mean
859
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:46.639
it's not like Cody's.
860
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.239
Been a squeaky clean babyface for months now. You know,
861
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.360
some of the stuff he says to Sammy is very
862
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.840
easily it's cocky, you know, even some I know, we'll
863
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:56.440
get to him and talking to Sammy, but some of
864
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.480
the stuff he says there, he's a hothead with him
865
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.280
and he's Sam's energy.
866
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:03.760
Yeah, I'm more simple. I'm a little more sympathetic to that,
867
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.239
just because Sammy is so much and you know, you
868
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.639
just you it's like Cody when he snaps out him,
869
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:09.960
it's not because I don't like you when I'm a
870
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.679
mean person. It's like Sammy, enough is enough, my god,
871
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.920
and and like and I get it, you know, I
872
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.400
love my dogs, but like sometimes I'm like, okay, like
873
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.599
just give me some space here, you know. Like, and
874
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.360
I think that's kind of what Cody is. Sammy, I
875
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.559
love you, but my God, seriously like in that. But
876
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.960
and that's not drawing from Sammy behind the scenes. I mean,
877
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.920
that's for us. Sammy's always been the guy who's you know,
878
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.599
and I mean it's been joked about. I think Kevin
879
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.079
Owens said, Sammy's always trying to, you know, question the
880
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.360
finish of the match and the waight of the ring.
881
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:42.559
You know.
882
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.960
It's he's just constantly trying to figure out and fretting
883
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:47.719
over the details and oh could we do this or
884
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:49.719
will this work or that? And so he's a he
885
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.360
has attention to detail, is the kind way, but he
886
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.360
just never stops second guessing and doubting and and and
887
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:57.360
it drives people, not they love them, but it drives
888
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.000
people nuts, you know. And so they're playing that up.
889
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.280
And that's why it's I don't thinking it.
890
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.639
Yeah, yeah, because he just shows up. He just someone
891
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.000
turns around, he's just right there. That's almost like the
892
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.880
opposite of down House and Dan hous and you turn
893
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.320
around and he's gone. Somebody else turns around. Sammy's on
894
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:12.719
the other.
895
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.000
Side, totally waiting, totally yep.
896
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.000
Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back,
897
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.159
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898
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.559
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899
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900
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.440
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901
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.559
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902
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.440
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909
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All Right, Darreck Mitchell says, I'm sorry, but I thought
910
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.599
Randy was gonna turn regardless if he couldn't be booed.
911
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.280
But in my opinion, I'm sorry they're not ready to
912
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.920
turn Cody, much to fans dismay, Yeah, so there we are,
913
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:23.159
all right? A super chat from Zach Barber. I knew
914
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.960
this day would come, fans are finally seeing what so
915
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.199
many of us see in Cody.
916
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.719
If you want to add to that, Eric, and what
917
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.199
is that the we're they're seeing? That's my lasestion.
918
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.719
Yeah, elaborate tech, elaborate. Well, we'll keep scrolling here. Uh
919
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.800
pun el, says codyus jelly Roll out of side. He
920
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.440
won't get booed. Lol, that's pun las Vegas. I'm sorry,
921
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.000
pun LV nineteen. Help presumptuous, I say last Vegas. Just
922
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:54.559
pun LV nineteen, says codyus jelly Roll. Mister Freshman says,
923
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.519
I will say Randy Playtis Roll to perfection, channeling oh nine,
924
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.960
Randy Orton, There we go. Derek Mitchell says, anyone who
925
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:03.360
thought it was gonna be a feel good baby face
926
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.360
face baby face matcher kidding themselves coding and Randy had
927
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:06.719
to match that last ye's King of the Ring Finals,
928
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:08.960
and it was a boring match because both were faces.
929
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.960
I mean it's a good point. Yeah, yeah, it didn't
930
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.440
have the context or gravity of what's happening now and
931
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.039
and and you know we weren't. It's not like Usmania
932
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.960
is this weekend. I mean, there's a lot of story
933
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.000
they could tell in the face face matchup and the
934
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.719
stakes are different. But yeah, I mean, you know, I
935
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.119
think it's a fair point. Uh let's see. Okay, that's
936
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:35.280
a different topic. Will save that sanity vasion I said
937
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:36.840
last week, I was saying I finally saw Randy as
938
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.599
a likable baby face loll. Then he acts like a
939
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.639
psychopath right away. Some people are gonna feel kind of
940
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.679
like suckers. He like jarred by him, Like I gave
941
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:49.000
you a second chance, now what slt says? Someone promised
942
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.159
me that was the extent of jelly Roll's involvement in
943
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.280
this feud. Yeah, we I didn't.
944
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:54.800
Realize there was so much hate for jelly Roll. I
945
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.719
guess I'm just not clued into what kind of person
946
00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:58.320
he might be.
947
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I don't know.
948
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.599
Yeah, I mean it just might be just keep fringe
949
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.079
celebrities out of fantasy wrestling manager camp or you know whatever.
950
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:06.960
You know.
951
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:08.280
I like him, but I don't want him in my
952
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:12.440
wrestlemaning main event. Let's see, Sannibation said last year, the
953
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.840
crowd you're seene and booted Cody. It's a different circumstance,
954
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:17.880
Randon seeing a different lessons might have been learned. Let's
955
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:25.800
give him that chance. Andrews. Andrew Lansdell says third WRESTLEMANI
956
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:27.079
in a row where the build up to the main
957
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.920
event is Cody getting beaten up. L Ol, happens a
958
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:35.800
lot with Yeah with baby faces. If nothing else, this
959
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:37.719
wasn't a shades of Gray Hill turn says, I T
960
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.159
there we go. Yeah, if nothing else, Hey, you got
961
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.000
me to say the band phrase. While we've been talking,
962
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:46.920
you guys have been posting like crazy. I'm not going
963
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.719
to get to all of them because then I just
964
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:55.679
have to read all of them. Well, I stall somehow. Okay,
965
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.719
let's see. I want to see if somebody knew chimed
966
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:07.519
in or somebody had to change their mind a little bit. Okay, Darrell,
967
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:08.960
I haven't heard fro him yet. Le's see what he said.
968
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.199
Randy can make you believe why he went back to
969
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.000
who he really is because he has always been a heel.
970
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.760
We have never seen Randy win a title as a
971
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.519
baby face. The reason why he is a face is
972
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:20.599
because of his years, his time, you know, his legacy.
973
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.159
So there are you know, to win a title, he's
974
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.320
got to be He's got to listen to the voices.
975
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.519
I guess yeah, I think people.
976
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.880
Believe that Randy Orton has softened in real life and
977
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.719
that has helped him too, but they can ignore that
978
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.000
for the next however.
979
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:35.159
Long.
980
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.800
For jelly Roll goals. Jacy Scoopy says, jelly Roll has
981
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:40.400
shown what a bad person he is in real life
982
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.320
the last six months.
983
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:44.519
I've been busy. Sorry I missed it.
984
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.320
Yeah, Jacy isn't just the like not taking a stand
985
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:54.440
against fascist magass and and try to play both sides
986
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.280
on something that he can't really play both sides and
987
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:58.119
expect people will be like, well, look at that neutrality.
988
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.719
What a good dude, uh with the horrible stuff that's
989
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.920
going on. So yeah, Sealer goes for sure. Don't call
990
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:04.599
the Hangman route.
991
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:05.039
Lol.
992
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.800
Yes, Durell says, Yeah, we're gonna have actual jelly Roll
993
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.239
in a partner against miss and Kit Wilson. It'll be
994
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:12.960
good for Kit whoever you can get the team with
995
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:20.320
jelly Roll. So there we are. Baldriver repeat said hangman
996
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.360
in Cody's place, would tell Randy's going to choke him
997
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.280
out with his lower intestines. Yes, totally points for that
998
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:32.039
one post post of the night so far. Oh, Derek
999
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.880
Mitchell says, way to answer your question. Randy has been
1000
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.920
healed ninety percent of his w WE tenure. There we
1001
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:42.119
are Jacy Scubi on to know, has Randy come close
1002
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.760
to Big Show on a face? He'll face, He'll turn quantity.
1003
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.880
Nobody's approaching Kane. I don't know.
1004
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.679
Isn't Big Show in the lead. I don't know. I
1005
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.280
don't think somebody somebody tritted that out. It's it's kind
1006
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.599
of ridiculous. I mean, Kevin Owens just turned a ton,
1007
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.280
Kurt Angle turned a ton, Big Show, Lex Luger in
1008
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.039
the nineties, they're sort of AJ styles for a while
1009
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.239
was turning a lot too. I mean, there's a someone
1010
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.119
should come up with a list of like like people
1011
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:11.960
who have been in the main event are semi main
1012
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.320
event and you know, central figures with meaningful turns but
1013
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:18.039
meaningful too high a standard for turns that were meant
1014
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:18.679
to be meaningful.
1015
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:20.239
H yeah, exactly, yeah.
1016
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.519
And and and chart it out like I'd like to see,
1017
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:26.440
just like a line graph. If I trusted AI, I
1018
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:27.960
would ask it to do it right now, create a
1019
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.639
bar graph of the most turns the top ten wrestlers
1020
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.320
in w WCW and TNA in the most turns.
1021
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:36.239
So I don't know.
1022
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:37.760
Maybe maybe I'll see if they can come up with
1023
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.880
that on the fly, and you know, burn off a
1024
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:46.440
lake all right. Uh, okay, jelly Roll has been get
1025
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.119
Derek says jelly Roll has been getting heat since its
1026
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:48.960
Grammy speech.
1027
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:49.960
Okay.
1028
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:50.800
Uh.
1029
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:52.800
Pither Repeat says, if you're not a wrestler or a
1030
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:56.760
natural talent talent light logan Paul celebrities should stay out.
1031
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.719
Goodfella says stakes are different now. Randy and Cody will
1032
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.519
both get big reactions because they're a big stars. I
1033
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.079
will be invested, as will the masses, is my guess.
1034
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.519
On the celebrity front, Andrew Lansdell says, celebrity stuff is
1035
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:10.719
just lame. If you have no clue who the celebrity is,
1036
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:13.639
you're completely lost with the whole segment. Let's keep wrestling
1037
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.519
for I want.
1038
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.679
To push back on that because, Okay, I know this
1039
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.360
is not for everybody, but I'm a big fan of
1040
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.519
the show Survivor and if anybody's watching that now, this
1041
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.519
season they entered, it's a big season for them. Season fifty.
1042
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:31.519
They introduced these celebrity advantages and there's a lot of
1043
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.320
pushback on it, but those things are going to bring
1044
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.760
eyeballs to that show. They're going to keep it on
1045
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.239
the keep it on the air longer because hopefully they'll
1046
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.280
build a new audience for this show. Same thing happens
1047
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.719
in wrestling. Celebrities bring eyeballs like that's a big deal
1048
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:48.880
and as long as and I agree, they shouldn't be
1049
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.840
all over the show. But there's a role for them,
1050
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:52.960
and there has been from the beginning.
1051
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.280
Yeah, no, I get that. I mean, you know, fifteen
1052
00:50:57.360 --> 00:50:59.679
years ago, in our flashback shows on the Weak Color
1053
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:03.000
podcast speed, we we're like, where's the celebrity at Rustmania
1054
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.480
this year? There needs to be some special attraction. Dotoby
1055
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.079
has grown past that, past needing that, and since that,
1056
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:10.519
WrestleMania is a celebrity and the celebrities want to wear
1057
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.159
the w W replica belts as opposed to you know,
1058
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:15.840
like Dodoy has become so big so many it's it's
1059
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.920
so mainstream you don't need it. But does it bring
1060
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.079
new people if they're a big enough star and they're
1061
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.280
good in their role. Yeah, I mean it can be
1062
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.280
in that positive but like you said, just don't overdo
1063
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.239
it and keep it main events.
1064
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.039
It's not like Survivor. They're not naming it the Jelly
1065
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.760
Role United States Championship. You know it's not We're gone
1066
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:36.119
that far. Yeah.
1067
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.239
Celebrision three says I've been dreading the celebrity stuff. Billie
1068
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.880
Eilish boomerang idol being said eight thousand times is annoying.
1069
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.440
That as hell, it is very annoying. I don't is
1070
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:45.000
cool now?
1071
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.320
Yeah, yeah, for sure, And that's a good point. Hockey
1072
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:49.840
Be says jelly Roll is good at this. He's more
1073
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.400
of a natural promo than half the roster, including Cody Rhodes.
1074
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:56.000
Andrew lin.
1075
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:57.800
Stell says, eyeballs on the show doesn't benefit me as
1076
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.559
a viewer. This just ties into the ratings argument that
1077
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:05.159
is playing wrestling community for so long? How do I
1078
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.360
feel about that? My lens? You know, I say a lot.
1079
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:11.159
It's not all about you, you know, like our perspective,
1080
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.920
My perspective as an analyst and journalists covering wrestling isn't
1081
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.599
I'm going to advocate for just what I want to
1082
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.400
make me happy as a viewer. I advocate through the
1083
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.159
filter and the lens of what is best for business.
1084
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.639
And yes, the you know, authority co opted that term
1085
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:28.840
and kind of took it away from me.
1086
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:29.119
In a way.
1087
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:30.480
But I've been saying a lot longer than they were
1088
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.360
what's best for business? And I wasn't the only one.
1089
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.280
I mean, it's just like, do what's best for business.
1090
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.480
So if celebrities are best for business and Andrew you don't,
1091
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.639
it doesn't benefit you. I do think it's important to say,
1092
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.000
but does it bother enough people where they lose more
1093
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:48.440
than they gain? And does it bother you enough that
1094
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:53.360
if it doesn't benefit you, do you at least think Okay,
1095
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:55.400
I can just you know, grumble about it a bit,
1096
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.320
but get on and enjoy the rest of the show.
1097
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.920
And I think that's w's calculation, and any wrestling promoter
1098
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.960
calculation is they have to take people like you and
1099
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:03.639
you're into account. I mean, it's a legitimate point of
1100
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.920
view to have for yourself, but I don't think that's
1101
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.039
that should be the promoter or booker saying, well, we
1102
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.719
better not have mister T at WrestleMania because xyz, you know,
1103
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:15.599
some people might not like him or know who he
1104
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:18.119
is or something. You know, like Mike Tyson turned the
1105
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.639
Tide or mister T helped establish the Restumania brand. But
1106
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.320
there's a lot of celebrities were brought in just because
1107
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.159
promoters and wrestlers are marks for them and they do
1108
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.239
get in the way. So you know, I think each
1109
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.440
situation has to be judged individually.
1110
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:33.000
And if you don't like it. It's also been a
1111
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:34.840
lot worse in the past. At least we're not getting
1112
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:38.000
guest raw hosts every week with some pick your celebrity.
1113
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:44.440
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00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.079
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1123
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.440
Derek Mitchell, I'm glad way do you advocate for what's
1124
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.159
best for business and you don't ever become a story
1125
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.360
like some other wrestling journalists who use lame by star
1126
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:26.719
rating systems. Okay, I use a five star rating system
1127
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:28.559
for a long time. It wasn't lame until it became
1128
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.079
more than five, and it didn't really apply to the
1129
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:33.440
current way wrestling is promoted any more in the way
1130
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.400
that it used to. I talked about that on a
1131
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:38.880
recent show in more detail. Standard Deviation says, I totally agreed.
1132
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.639
Eric are more on celebrities. Good Fella says, if you're
1133
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:44.000
a Doe fan, you have to accept that they are
1134
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:45.800
going to do celebrities. I just hope it's fun every
1135
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.599
time Jelly Roll as a dot to bee star puts
1136
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:54.400
in the work. I don't mind. There's another. Oh, Standard
1137
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.719
Deviation says, I'll push back on celebrities. They don't bring
1138
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.239
eyeballs by any metrics I've seen. I think they're mostly
1139
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:00.960
used to convince the people who are already watching that
1140
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:01.960
the brand is a big deal.
1141
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.719
Eric, what do you think I want to see the metrics,
1142
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.599
because I would imagine there's plenty of celebrities that have
1143
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.480
brought eyeballs to the product.
1144
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.599
Yeah, that's the thing.
1145
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:20.559
Yeah, I mean Taylor Thomas brought I've All to WrestleMania. No,
1146
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.280
but I think Mike Tyson did.
1147
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:26.119
And there are celebrities that might draw eyeballs, but it
1148
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:30.440
doesn't sustain itself. You know, jay Leno in a tag match,
1149
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.519
it did more damage than good. What's he doing? You know,
1150
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:34.480
just was kind of kind of goofy. It felt like
1151
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:36.480
Russer Fantasy camp, you know at that point, for for
1152
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.159
for jay Leno, John Stewart was a bad fit because
1153
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.360
he just hammed it up too much. So yeah, it's
1154
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:43.679
just judge each one individually.
1155
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.320
Then you get a bad bunny or godman and they
1156
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:50.719
all have done well. And now before you like him
1157
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.679
or hate him as a person, Jelly Roll is doing
1158
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.679
well with what he's given.
1159
00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.159
Yep, yep, And it's it's objectively, it is objectively be
1160
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:08.639
fair to be fair evaluating his performance, regardless of how
1161
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:10.239
you feel about other aspects of them. You can have
1162
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:12.320
a you can say, you know, it's unfortunately he's so
1163
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.199
good at this because I wish he wasn't, because it'd
1164
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:15.480
be easier to be critical and say he get off
1165
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.599
my TV. And I think some people might feel that way.
1166
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.639
Sanitization says celebrities mean something different. In today's world. We
1167
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:27.679
are in a very fragmented world, now, you know, I
1168
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.920
mean one person celebrity is another person's who who is that?
1169
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.159
Let me google it? You know, And that happens more
1170
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.559
than it used to because we live in a you know,
1171
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.559
we don't have we don't even mean, we don't even
1172
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:41.440
live in common worlds of politics and common We don't
1173
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:44.800
share common facts anymore. Their facts are either facts or
1174
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.960
their lies and propaganda. But you know, your algorithm will
1175
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.360
strategically feed you a bunch of propaganda and lies that
1176
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.239
are easily disproven. But if that's all you see, you
1177
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:55.440
think they're facts. And then it becomes kind of humiliating
1178
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:01.400
to think, oh my god, this very sophisticated international you know,
1179
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:03.840
conspiracy to get people to buy into a bunch of
1180
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:07.159
nonsense paid off, and it was actually just projection trying
1181
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.159
to preemptively blame the other side for what we're doing.
1182
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:14.719
That like yeah, yeah, so don't feel bad if you
1183
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.199
fell for it, but be big enough to you know, go, Okay,
1184
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:18.679
I need to break away from the algorithm. Let me
1185
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:20.360
let me talk to some people I think are saying
1186
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.760
and uh, and yet it's santibation, so social media might
1187
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.960
be more of a factor. Yeah, okay, uh, okay, let's uh,
1188
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.159
we'll keep it on the chat, but Eric, I'm gonna
1189
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.400
throw it. You bring up a talking point on your
1190
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.280
list that you think is not not one of the
1191
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.079
smaller ones, but you know, one of the other top
1192
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:38.960
topics to cover here.
1193
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:43.519
How about Sammy's ay and how where's it going?
1194
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:45.639
I don't know, and I like it?
1195
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:49.400
Yeah, I like it too. I when I was watching
1196
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.360
his segments tonight, it was dawning on me that I
1197
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.719
was paying attention to every single word that he and
1198
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.239
Cody were both saying. And I hadn't felt that way
1199
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:01.440
really since the in the Bloodline, where I felt like
1200
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.840
I had to pay attention to everything everyone was saying
1201
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:09.440
and doing. And to me, if we had more characters
1202
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:13.719
and segments like that, we'd be in a lot better
1203
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.280
spot right now, we wouldn't have been limping into WrestleMania,
1204
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.679
and in fact, honestly, on a bigger picture, I thought
1205
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:21.960
the WrestleMania card really came into more of a focus tonight,
1206
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.559
and I think they're heading in the right direction because
1207
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:27.719
they created several matchups that we know what they're going
1208
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:28.119
to be now.
1209
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:30.639
I think what Daylight Saving I'm gonna talk about my
1210
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:33.519
dogs again when Daylight Save Savings time kicks in and
1211
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.000
that my doctor used to being fed at like two
1212
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.599
o'clock at eight o'clock, like they don't understand it's not
1213
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:41.920
two o'clock. You know, it's either one or three depending
1214
00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.000
on the clock they're under clock. I think we have
1215
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.400
hitter clocks with WrestleMania hype. Right now, it's March thirteenth.
1216
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.199
Sometimes Wresumania is about to happen and we need to
1217
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.280
line up, or it happens Apri first, we need the lineup.
1218
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.320
It's later than that now, and I think we have
1219
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.760
this inner clock that's telling us I don't know the
1220
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.000
line yet. I'm in a panic. They're not doing their job.
1221
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.760
And in reality, frankly, four five six weeks is plenty
1222
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.480
of time to tell these stories. And I agree with you.
1223
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:14.599
Tonight moved us forward, but it did so where we've
1224
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:19.039
got four solid weeks of follow up and storyline hype.
1225
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.679
So as far as sam Samy goes, I'm excited for
1226
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.159
the eventual Sammy turns to Sathur version three. Yeah, when
1227
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:26.840
it happens and why it happens is great. I'll add
1228
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.679
one more thing through to Eric Piler of repizzas. I'd
1229
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.519
hate to be a water bottle around Sammy. Yeah, one
1230
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:32.880
day I want them to do a gig on that
1231
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:34.360
and have him just swing and there's nothing there and
1232
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.480
he just like, oh crap, it looks for something else.
1233
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:38.880
I think I've wrote something very similar to that in
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00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:42.000
my article last three weeks and said no aquafina bottle
1235
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.639
is safe where Sammy's around, And today I think I
1236
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:48.760
even wrote what is it these water bottles? Just don't
1237
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:50.559
get to hint that when Sammy's around, you do not
1238
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:52.320
want to be standing right there next to him. Just
1239
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.559
get away. You're not safe.
1240
00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:57.559
Unless it'starting to be on TV and take a bump. Yeah,
1241
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.960
some water, I'll there. You might be to take a
1242
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:02.400
bump on TV. There's a lot of humans like that.
1243
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.599
Do we consider if it's a heavy brand name, a
1244
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:07.840
popular brand name. Is it a celebrity water bottle? Do
1245
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:09.440
we have to have that discussion now too?
1246
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.039
Yeah, at least it's not the energy drinks that we
1247
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.199
shall not name. Mister Freshman said I can't stand Sammy
1248
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:15.760
right now?
1249
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:17.239
Why not?
1250
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.960
Yeah, because he's well, I mean, he's kind of a thought,
1251
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.599
he's a little much, but I mean I'm I'm entertained
1252
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:25.119
by it. But I don't know that i'd want to
1253
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:26.599
be around him a lot. But I like it for
1254
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:28.199
my entertainment, you know, I think.
1255
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.280
It's appreciated Cody. Tonight, Cody's saying, I know, you just
1256
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:33.639
want a title shot. You said the same thing to Orton.
1257
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.000
You're just angling for a title shot for after this match,
1258
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.079
and then for Sammy to be so indignant about it.
1259
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.760
To me, it's it's fun and it just leaves so
1260
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:45.599
much room open for them to do more with that
1261
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.639
down the road. There's a lot of options they can
1262
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:47.920
go to.
1263
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:53.239
Yep, yep. Good Fella says, six to seven weeks is
1264
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:55.000
fine build up, but I enjoy a six to eight
1265
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.159
month view two maybe Thin against Don this year, which
1266
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.199
I like, but I would like a few more, Oh
1267
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.719
for sure. You want to have some feuds that don't
1268
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.079
feel like they came up with them in the two
1269
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:05.239
months before Mania, and that there's a story arc that's developing.
1270
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:09.800
But some yeah, I mean sometimes they have that and
1271
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.679
they just change plants. You know, they change plants too
1272
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.159
because they're like, no, you know, we're not gonna have
1273
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:14.880
Charlotte against Alex. It's working too well with them as
1274
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:16.239
a team, you know, stuff like that can happen.
1275
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.400
Well, timing is everything. They Last year, at this time,
1276
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:23.840
we were thinking about Finn and Dominic fighting each other
1277
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:25.760
because they were in the same match for the IC title,
1278
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:28.119
and this year we're going into it thinking, oh, are
1279
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.280
they going to wrestle for the IC title. They're not,
1280
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.159
which is fine, but they cooled that off enough and
1281
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.400
started heating it back up at the right time. Conversely,
1282
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:38.840
I don't know if we're still getting some sort of
1283
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:45.159
saga of the Lantern Wyatts versus MFTA match at WrestleMania.
1284
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.239
But if that's the case, they've been just dragging that
1285
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:50.000
out to get to WrestleMania and they should have probably
1286
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:53.119
killed it two months ago. So it's all about the timing.
1287
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.519
Yeah, Well, the timing is going to be the key
1288
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.559
with Sammy too, how you know, like when when they
1289
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:04.000
when they decide to move in that direction, Like pylo
1290
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.000
E Repete says, Sammy is a master. He needs to
1291
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:10.639
teach whenever he's ready to hang it up. Yeah, Drell says,
1292
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:12.960
didn't the Resmania card get messed up when Seth got
1293
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:14.159
hurt and had to drop the title of the Punke
1294
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.360
at Mania, which and then a type of there. I
1295
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:22.039
can't tell so definitely. I mean, there are there are
1296
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.920
things that change plans, but they don't they don't radiate
1297
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:32.119
in cascade to everything else. Yeah, Mark Bisquetti says back
1298
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.360
to Sammy, Welso, Sammy storyline is backstage. It doesn't feel
1299
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.079
like can get more interesting until it's out in front
1300
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.039
of the crowd. I don't think they've they've had a
1301
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:40.960
wasted chapter in this so far, though, No, I don't agree.
1302
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.880
I agree to contrast what just happened with Orton though
1303
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.800
Orton it feels like, Okay, he just turned and they
1304
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.960
probably can't turn him back anytime in the near future.
1305
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.400
But with Sammy, are they just turning him heel to
1306
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.079
turn him back face again for next year. That's what
1307
01:02:59.199 --> 01:02:59.679
I'm wondering.
1308
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.039
That's I've always been so confused about whether he's really
1309
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.119
going to turn or not, because I can't get it
1310
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:05.440
out of my head that they're gonna want him to
1311
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:09.039
win his first World Championship as a babyface, because because
1312
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:12.039
he can be such a good babyface, especially if they
1313
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:14.400
want to do it in front of that Saudi Arabia crowd.
1314
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:15.639
So what is that?
1315
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:16.880
What is the end game here?
1316
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:20.239
Is Cody as a heel against Sammy as a face,
1317
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:22.360
and they're laying ground work a year ahead of time.
1318
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.559
I think that would be tremendous. But with the way
1319
01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:28.679
that Sammy's been acting, it's hard to believe that they're
1320
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:32.079
not going to turn him at some point, even though
1321
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:33.679
this whole time I've been hoping that they don't.
1322
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.440
Yeah, I'm open to them, not I could see. I mean,
1323
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.960
Sammy's kind of, you know, kind of pendulum back and
1324
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:43.639
forth in terms of there's anks, but at heart he's
1325
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.280
a good person and he finds focus and dials it in.
1326
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:46.800
We'll see.
1327
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:49.880
He just wants to win and he hasn't won, and
1328
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:51.559
Randy rubbed it in his face last week.
1329
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:54.800
That's the thing. I mean, you can see where Sammy
1330
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.719
is is coming from. But mostly you think, Sammy, is
1331
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:00.719
it really just bad breaks or you just a notch
1332
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:02.079
not as good as Cody?
1333
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:03.639
You know?
1334
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:05.559
And then are you blaming other people for it?
1335
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.400
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Hockey b says, if they still employed competent writer Sammy
1366
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:37.559
grappling with winning his first title as a heel, is
1367
01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:41.559
as a heel is real? Cinema Derek Mitchell says, as
1368
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.599
long as Sammy doesn't turn, he'll wearing camouflage and looking
1369
01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:50.840
like a Cuban dictator. Oh myel oh boy, Derek not
1370
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:54.239
Yeah for sure. Also like Sammy character work. Just imagine
1371
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.760
Sammy is left off Mania and he blows his weight. Yes,
1372
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:58.559
and that could happen. That can happen.
1373
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:01.199
That's not that'll be two years in row, right, Yeah.
1374
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:03.599
Well, I mean that would really really be motivating.
1375
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:07.679
Yeah, be motivating. Trick though, we can lock that in.
1376
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:09.920
Yeah, I want to lock that in.
1377
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.079
And it speaks to your point that Chick is doing
1378
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:16.519
a lot more now to not get cheered. And I
1379
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:18.480
think that's probably a key sign that they're not ready
1380
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:20.840
to turn Sammy yet, because they're clearly wrestling each other
1381
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:22.880
and it's going to be babyface versus.
1382
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:27.599
He Yep, yep. Let's bring our color crafted into the
1383
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.119
conversation craft. We covered a lot. You can review some
1384
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:32.960
of that or or bring up new topics. Good to
1385
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:34.320
see you and hear from you a gun. What's up?
1386
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:39.760
Yeah, hey guys, nice to see both. Wait, Eric, you
1387
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.880
did you totally covered a lot, a lot of my
1388
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.320
the stuff I had I think you've spoken about. Just
1389
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.559
don't Sammy really quick. I'm a huge Sammy fan and
1390
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.519
I think he's doing great work and it all seems
1391
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:55.880
very interesting. The part that I don't like is the
1392
01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:01.159
alistair black of it all, because I don't wrestling can
1393
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:04.480
be repetitive and have the same sort of story beats.
1394
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:07.280
But like Carrie and Cross, was literally just there doing
1395
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.199
this with Sammy and it feels exactly the same. So
1396
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:13.519
I'm not sure. I think this was the first time
1397
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:17.440
that happened. I'm hoping it's a one and done. But
1398
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.159
because I like everything else, Eric, everything you were saying
1399
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.320
I agree with wholeheartedly. And I also hope he doesn't turn.
1400
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:29.559
And you know, he's such a rich character, with Ko
1401
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:33.679
and about seven different hometowns, there's a lot of there's
1402
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:35.400
a lot that can be there's a lot that can
1403
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:38.679
be done with him, you know. So anyway, I'm excited
1404
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:41.239
to see what's next. But I hope it's not just
1405
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:46.119
some prolonged joined the dark side with Alistair Black. That
1406
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:49.079
would just be the worst. Eric.
1407
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:50.320
What do you think of the elster Black?
1408
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:51.320
As?
1409
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.320
I don't know what they're doing with Alistair Black. He
1410
01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:57.400
can say he was right about Randy now, but what
1411
01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.239
does that get him? Does he want to be right?
1412
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:01.480
He's a heel, he should be right, So now he's
1413
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.920
going to antagonize Sammy, But Sammy already has a built
1414
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:07.199
an opponent with Trick. So I just feel like Black
1415
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:08.800
is the odd man out and I don't know what
1416
01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:12.119
they're doing with him. To me, he seems pretty rudderless
1417
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:13.199
and has been the whole time.
1418
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:18.880
He's just like the backstage troll. Yeah, and that's not
1419
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:20.199
is that what you want to be?
1420
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:20.439
Are?
1421
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:26.840
He's the new carrying Cross? Ye, he had no matches.
1422
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.640
You would just talk to Meage.
1423
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:32.760
It's so weird. The career is rus seven else are Black?
1424
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.880
Have had? Like they're healthy wrestlers as far as we know,
1425
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:39.720
in their prime and they just got they can you
1426
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.199
just like I joked with Rusceve and he came back
1427
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.760
like he he just films things in the back room
1428
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.439
and nobody, nobody's he hasn't met anybody, nobody like, nobody's
1429
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:51.920
ever seen him, Like like if he I don't know.
1430
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:53.000
It's weird.
1431
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.960
Yeah, I'm just going back to Randy Orton for a second.
1432
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.760
And she's whoever would have thought that Randy Orton would
1433
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.000
have turned on him? If you can't trust Randy Orton,
1434
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.600
I don't know who you could trust. But I will
1435
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:10.800
say that I was bummed that he turned heel, just
1436
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:15.760
because I thought that the storyline, baggage that he has
1437
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:19.000
with Cody, and the history and the legacy, the idea
1438
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:22.720
of a mentor, of a teacher, you know, being surpassed
1439
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.119
by the student. I just thought there was so much
1440
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:29.279
that they could do there in a nuanced way without
1441
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:35.680
going like traditional face heel. And also like unlike other
1442
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:41.520
heels that heal turns, Randy became popular as a heel.
1443
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.079
Like that's why people cheer him. They remember the voices.
1444
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.640
The punt gets cheered now it used to be a
1445
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:51.359
heinous move. Now people cheer when he gets ready to
1446
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:53.760
do it. So I also agree that I think it's
1447
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:56.880
going to be difficult for him now, impossible in front
1448
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.279
of a large WrestleMania crowd to avoid getting cheered, no
1449
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.399
matter how many times he bloodies Cody Rhoads. But I
1450
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:08.039
was disappointed. I guess that they didn't explore and then,
1451
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:09.840
you know, there's a lot of weeks to go. Maybe
1452
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:12.960
they will, but it just it just feels like, Okay,
1453
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:17.039
let's we got to turn one of them. Let's turn Randy.
1454
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:20.720
He does this all the time. And and and then
1455
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:23.119
that wait, as you said, like they may shake hands
1456
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:25.279
at the end of it. Wow, that was a that
1457
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.039
was a hell of a trip. Let's go back to
1458
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:29.680
both being faces, you know, and that that would be
1459
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.159
I think an unfortunate uh ending as well.
1460
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:37.960
I don't say always trust the bookers and the story
1461
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:41.039
and the wrestlers, but I also don't think it's fair
1462
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:43.199
to I mean, I don't know's it might be fair
1463
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:44.520
to be cynical, but you're not always gonna be right
1464
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:45.960
when you're cynical. And I think part of being a
1465
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:52.520
cynic about anything is look for opportunities to build your
1466
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:56.079
credibility that that's not just a knee jerk, mindless thing
1467
01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.520
you do because you think it makes you cool, or
1468
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:00.760
it's part of your character, or you're scared to ever
1469
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:06.199
ever not see something coming and look for opportunities as
1470
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.680
a cynic to go, yeah, I'm typically a cynic. This
1471
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.079
says all the traits that would make you know me
1472
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:14.600
just kind of lazily say oh, this is a bad move.
1473
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:17.399
But and I'm not saying it has to be this, man,
1474
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:20.239
I mean that's that's subjective. But like just cat don't
1475
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:22.479
catch like catch yourself. If you're just always looking at
1476
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.159
everything saying well, it was bad, was seen, it's going
1477
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:26.800
to be bad. Bad with with with Orton, no one's
1478
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:28.960
going to be It's like it's there's a bunch of
1479
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:33.720
differences and and differentiating between similar context but looking for
1480
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:36.760
differences this is like it's a sign of just being
1481
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:38.479
kind of fair minded and that's going to help you.
1482
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.640
Like it's the person who like calls the upset that
1483
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.319
is most impressed that that is most impressive in an
1484
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:49.680
NCAA bracket or in usc or boxing whatever or you
1485
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:51.640
know what, what baseball team do you not see? You know,
1486
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.359
going to the World Series and you called it. And
1487
01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:55.640
if you do that, if all you do is just
1488
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:57.680
go with the obvious, you're not getting here. So my
1489
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:00.560
point is here, like this my be one of those
1490
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.840
situations where it's like, what are they doing keeping Cody Face?
1491
01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:08.560
The fans of Boom and fans liked Randy I think
1492
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:12.119
they might internally see this even in and of itself,
1493
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:14.279
regardless of what they want to do with Cody after media,
1494
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:15.800
and by the way, that could be the primary reason
1495
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:18.159
they're going against what they think is even a better story.
1496
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:20.359
Maybe they think Cody healed Randy Face is a better story,
1497
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:24.760
but it's not better for May, June, July, August, September, October, November,
1498
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.239
or next year's rest of media, and they just have
1499
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.079
to sacrifice and make the best of the beep of
1500
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.399
the second best option. And that might be what's happening here.
1501
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:34.560
And if that's the case, everyone going, ah, they chose
1502
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.560
the worst option. They're fools. I'm not seeing you're a fool.
1503
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.560
But they have to think about more than just what's
1504
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.039
the best story for the next six weeks. They have
1505
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:43.800
to think about, whw do we set ourselves up for
1506
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:46.720
everything else it comes later. I'm not excusing bad booking,
1507
01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:50.840
but I'm saying it's there are sometimes pragmatic reasons to
1508
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:52.920
do something that isn't the best thing in the exact
1509
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:56.680
moment that it can be done. And so I say
1510
01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:58.560
all that not generically, but I think we might be
1511
01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:01.800
in one of those situations. I think Cody as a
1512
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:05.199
babyface in ww B, doubling down on it against somebody
1513
01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.840
who's good at being a heel and is willing to
1514
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:12.079
take on the challenge of getting booed, and Cody and
1515
01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:13.760
Randy might have sat down and come up with some
1516
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:16.920
nuanced ways to address this where it doesn't follow the tropes.
1517
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:21.479
It's not cartoon heel Sena with his er, you know,
1518
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:23.680
It's like there's more going on here in there, So
1519
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.479
let's just give it time. It could turn out they
1520
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:28.159
just I'm all I'm doing is criticizing them for the
1521
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:30.039
next four weeks. Are you kidding? That's all you came
1522
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.640
up with? Like, go watch our post show on March thirteenth.
1523
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:35.279
I think, I you know, I don't like you know,
1524
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:36.720
I don't like sitt here go ah, my ideas are
1525
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:38.560
very than yours. But like we've sitt here as a
1526
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:40.680
group talked about some ways. Maybe this can be compelling.
1527
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:43.800
And if all they do is just entry level, basic,
1528
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.840
mindless drivel, I think we can all collectively be disappointed
1529
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:49.279
in them. There is stuff to do here and performances
1530
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:50.920
to be had that I think can be really different
1531
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:52.680
than what we saw last year in what I think
1532
01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:55.359
people are assuming the worst with these are two good
1533
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.359
performers with I think a story that they want to
1534
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:03.720
make work. So there's my raw rosbech for doing this
1535
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.239
or at least give it, give it a few weeks.
1536
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:09.039
But no, Yeah, I agree with that entirely. I guess
1537
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:11.640
I was just hoping that neither of them would have
1538
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.079
to turn and that they would explore this idea of
1539
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:18.880
like uh, students surpassing its mentor and maybe then the
1540
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:22.199
heel turn happens at WrestleMania right like in the match,
1541
01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:27.000
and that makes it more impactful. But I get what
1542
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:29.800
you're saying, and I do think that the amount of
1543
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:33.680
time is something that I guess that I'm I for
1544
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:35.760
the past couple of years struggled with a little bit.
1545
01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:39.159
Definitely felt it with Jay Usso and Gunther. I think
1546
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.119
was it last year or the year before the bill
1547
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:44.760
to the WrestleMania match just seemed like it went on
1548
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:49.239
and on and thinking about like what they're going to
1549
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:52.439
do for the next X amount of weeks. With Jade
1550
01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:57.000
and Rhea or or with you know, like he even
1551
01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:00.640
Randy and Cody. It's that one I can map out
1552
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.560
a little bit better now with this heel turn. But
1553
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:07.720
do you think in terms of building a match for
1554
01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:10.119
a big pay per view like WrestleMania, there is a
1555
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:13.119
point of diminished returns with a build like where it
1556
01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:16.880
goes on to just too long and then the audience
1557
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.439
may burn out before the match even happens.
1558
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:22.560
Yeah, I mean, you've got to have interludes, You've got
1559
01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:26.640
to have unexpected twists that aren't forced but part of
1560
01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:28.640
a master plan that sort of weaves its way in
1561
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:29.520
in a natural way.
1562
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:32.000
Yeah.
1563
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.960
I mean the short answer is yes, Yeah, I mean
1564
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.800
can you can? And and it's happened many times in
1565
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:38.640
rest MANI history. By the time you know, we get
1566
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:40.279
to two weeks before many we're like, oh god, I
1567
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:42.039
can't wait till the raw after Mania so we can
1568
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:44.479
move on. And that actually was probably more often the
1569
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:47.880
case than not for the last ten fifteen years, you know,
1570
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:52.720
But you want to learn from that. And yeah, just
1571
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.119
a reminder, you can reach us at Wade Keller Post
1572
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:57.479
Show at gmail dot com if you're trusted in contributing
1573
01:15:57.479 --> 01:15:59.920
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1574
01:15:59.920 --> 01:16:02.680
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1575
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:04.880
topic or even a rant on the Wade Keller Pro
1576
01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:06.159
Wrestling post shows.
1577
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:13.840
Yeah, Eric, sorry, did you have anything? Oh, I feel
1578
01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:14.600
like I'm cutting you off.
1579
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:16.319
No, No, you didn't come me off. Go ahead.
1580
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:18.720
This is why hosts always throw to someone specifically, and
1581
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.039
I didn't there. Let that be a lesson a podcaster
1582
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:23.840
with two people on, I almost always name a name
1583
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.760
and throw to someone specifically because now you get the
1584
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:28.600
four way stop or two people just won't go and
1585
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:30.560
you just want to be polite. It happens in Minnesota
1586
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:33.520
more than other places probably, so I can go.
1587
01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:36.640
Now, I'll go now. Okay, you speak to your point
1588
01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:40.119
crofton too. I think if we'd been in a situation
1589
01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:44.079
where there was a very defined main event babyface versus
1590
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:47.439
heel match on Raw, then they might not have felt
1591
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:49.800
so compelled to do this now. But I don't think
1592
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:51.760
they wanted to have two build ups going on at
1593
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:54.199
the same time on both shows. There were two baby
1594
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.560
faces against each other, so then people are very critical.
1595
01:16:57.680 --> 01:16:59.680
Yeah, and I mean exactly last week I was like,
1596
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.520
oh god, WrestleMania both men's World Time match's face face
1597
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:03.680
face face. I think I led with that in the
1598
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:07.159
newsletter cover story this week, so you know, I mean,
1599
01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:09.680
but I I think they would have lived with it
1600
01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:11.399
for Craft, you know what Craft is saying in others
1601
01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:13.279
there was a story to tell with them both as faces.
1602
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.319
And I said earlier in the show, it would be
1603
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.359
a different dynamic. Punk and Roman are at each other's throats.
1604
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:20.520
Cody and Randy could have been respectful, but they could
1605
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:23.960
have tweaked and there could have been nuance of tension
1606
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:25.760
kind of you know, where there's a little snap here
1607
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:31.680
or whatever. But I mean, decisions are made all the time.
1608
01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:33.840
You know, when do you pull the goaltender in the NHL?
1609
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:35.920
You know, do you go on a running play? Do
1610
01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:36.960
you go for two points?
1611
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:38.159
You know?
1612
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:41.760
In the NFL, what substitutions do you play for offensive
1613
01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:45.000
speed or defense? In the NBA, when you're approaching crunch down,
1614
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:47.359
you don't know what the right decision is. That's kind
1615
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.560
of what's happening here. I mean, this is this is
1616
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:52.079
real time. We've got to make a call. There's going
1617
01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.000
to be I told just so's if people conjure up
1618
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.640
and imagine a different scenario that worked out better. But
1619
01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.279
to me, the crowd response is going to be a
1620
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:02.680
more objective factor. Does this work? And I thought people
1621
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:06.479
I think that I believe that they were worried that
1622
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:08.600
there'd be a huge pop for Randy turning on Cody,
1623
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:10.159
and I don't think that happened. I don't think they
1624
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:11.800
played games with microphone. You know, I have to go
1625
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.279
back and Rewatch. I don't think there's any sign it
1626
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:16.279
was murmurs it was and it could have been oh
1627
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:17.800
my god, they're turning Randy again, or it could have
1628
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.479
been Randy. How could you? Because people got pulled into
1629
01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:26.159
Cody's story because WWB fans by and large like him
1630
01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:29.279
that it was the.
1631
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:33.760
Vocal minority that boos a babyface. It's still the vocal minority,
1632
01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:37.520
whether we realize it or not. And the reaction to
1633
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:41.079
Orton's turn was first it was shocked, Then people watched,
1634
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.039
and then some of that vocal minority started to appreciate
1635
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:47.159
how vicious the attack was and started the cheer for Randy.
1636
01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:48.079
And that's inevitable.
1637
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:48.760
It just happens.
1638
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:52.479
Yeah, sadly, says I heard Randy chance at the end,
1639
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:53.640
and there were some Randy Chance but you know, what
1640
01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:57.760
wasn't a ton I mean that that was not an
1641
01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:02.680
arena full of people celebrating. You know, they had, you know,
1642
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:04.600
over nine thousand people. I felt that that was not
1643
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:07.359
an arena going, yes, beat up Cody, we hate him,
1644
01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:08.840
That's not what that was.
1645
01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:09.239
I mean.
1646
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:11.079
But you're gonna have some Randy chance. Randy's a popular
1647
01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:14.159
legacy star. There's always gonna be some you know, heel fans.
1648
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:18.399
But I any by next week, you know, I know,
1649
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.479
maybe Raleigh handles it different, you know, but it's yeah,
1650
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:22.159
we'll see.
1651
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:26.239
One thing with Cody that I feel is mine to
1652
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:28.399
be explored in the future. When when I was a kid,
1653
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:34.279
when when Andre turned on Hogan, it was always tough
1654
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:36.840
because they were friends, and I'm like, no, they're friends,
1655
01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:40.039
how can this happen? But but it seems like with
1656
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:44.319
Cody all his friends like Ko's turned on him, h
1657
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:48.560
Randy's turned on him, like he's having problems with Sammy backstage.
1658
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:53.000
I'm sure I'm forgetting others who have you know, Oh
1659
01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:55.920
he was aj Styles was retiring, he was holding up
1660
01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:58.760
his hand, turned on him. Uh, you know, there was
1661
01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:00.800
there's just a lot of people who turned on Cody
1662
01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:04.079
and I feel like that's somewhat part for the course
1663
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:07.279
for a babyface, but at one point like that heavy
1664
01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:10.439
is the head that wears the crown is going to
1665
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:12.079
come to play. And I really do think that there's
1666
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:15.680
something that they could work there with Cody, because I
1667
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.680
don't know if it was the same with Sina. I
1668
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.920
don't remember Sena having like backstage friends to the degree
1669
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:23.640
that Cody seems to so.
1670
01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:27.640
And not only can they use that, I trust that
1671
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:29.560
they will use that at some point because look what
1672
01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:32.600
they did with Roman Reigns and seth Rollins. Roman Rains
1673
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.079
lost his Mania match and lost his title after thirteen
1674
01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:38.439
hundred days or whatever it was because he couldn't get
1675
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:40.800
over seth Rawlins hitting him in the back with a chair.
1676
01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:46.279
It's the crowdraction too. The chat's kind of chiming in
1677
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:49.000
on this. Darrick Mitchell says, to be fair, a lot
1678
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:51.600
of the live crowd was digesting what Orton did viciously
1679
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:56.479
to Cody. Hockey B five ninety seven, who has been
1680
01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:58.800
very anti Cody throughout the chat, like very much not
1681
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:00.720
a Cody fan, So it's for contact put that out there.
1682
01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:03.119
It doesn't invalidate his opinion, but for context. I think
1683
01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:05.600
it adds to this statement. The segment didn't get booed
1684
01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:07.720
despite all their efforts in a city of casual fans,
1685
01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:10.119
not a good sign for how it's going to play out.
1686
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:13.439
And I think that's a fair take to say, wait
1687
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:16.159
a second, that should have been booed more than it was,
1688
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:19.399
and instead it was murmurs, what's happening?
1689
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:19.880
Oh no?
1690
01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:24.119
And you know you can interpret that differently than I am,
1691
01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:27.640
which is, hey, they didn't chant, they didn't pop, so
1692
01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:28.079
we'll see.
1693
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.520
Well, my question would be, do you think they would
1694
01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:34.920
have booed more soundly if it wasn't Cody? Is that
1695
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:36.880
the problem? Was it Cody that they weren't worried about
1696
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:40.560
him getting beat up? Yeah? Is that the answer?
1697
01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:41.920
Or that's what.
1698
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:47.800
I think the problem is Randy like that. People love
1699
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:49.039
Randy for being a heel.
1700
01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.399
I think Randy could have attacked anybody like that and
1701
01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:54.199
still ended up getting cheered by the end. And that's
1702
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.119
why I think they need to really hammer this home
1703
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:57.239
over the next five weeks.
1704
01:21:57.920 --> 01:21:59.880
I think it was important just into the arcade because
1705
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.520
standardbation says, Randy's Randy, Arkao's everyone, so I'm desensitized to
1706
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.319
him attacking someone as a babyface. It doesn't usually signify
1707
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:09.479
a hill turn. Now, after a love fest with Cody
1708
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:10.800
and the nice things he said about him, I think
1709
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:12.640
it constanutes a hell turn, different than going after Trick
1710
01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:15.239
Williams or something. But I get Standard Deviation's point, and
1711
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:17.039
he says it was like what happened with the Stunner,
1712
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.359
And he says, that's why I think the crowd was quiet,
1713
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:23.000
but there was kick in the crotch. There was a
1714
01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:27.439
vicious attack at ringside. I think there was enough there
1715
01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.359
where if people, you know, I mean, you really have
1716
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:33.159
to pull people into your universe to get them to
1717
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:35.079
boo and angle and not just chant this is awesome
1718
01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:37.720
or holy shit or whatever I mean you And that's
1719
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.600
up that WW has put themselves in the position where
1720
01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:43.760
they said, our job is to entertaining you. Have we
1721
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.520
done it? And crowds are just constantly evaluating did I did?
1722
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:48.760
I Am I entertained by this? And Paula Beck can
1723
01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:51.359
lament it, but he's part of creating that that that
1724
01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:53.359
mindset in the fan base.
1725
01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:54.159
He was picked.
1726
01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:56.359
He didn't, he doesn't push back in the momentum is
1727
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:57.760
created from those in power before him.
1728
01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:02.079
And it's a three hour show too, right, Like so,
1729
01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.880
I mean I was noticing crowd fatigue and the trick
1730
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:09.720
Jacob match, and then this is after that. Yes, they're
1731
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.000
big stars, big pops when they come out, but like
1732
01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:15.520
you know, people, people are are getting tired at this point.
1733
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:17.439
Yeah what else?
1734
01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:20.119
Uh so Drew Uh?
1735
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:21.159
I like?
1736
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:25.239
I like the opening a lot. You know, it felt
1737
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:28.600
true to Drew's character. It felt true to the way
1738
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:33.800
that he UH valued the title and really UH has
1739
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.960
felt you know, hard done by as far back as
1740
01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:39.640
to the Bloodline and now now now through this with
1741
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:44.319
Nick Alvis and UH and Cody, Like, I think I
1742
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:47.760
knew that the booking was going to lead likely to
1743
01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:52.039
him finding his way to Jacob Batu. For a moment there,
1744
01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:54.439
they had me believing that he was going to be
1745
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.840
going mano we mano with Nick Alvis, which I would
1746
01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:01.159
be really excited. I'm not super familiar with Nick all
1747
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:04.840
this is wrestling work, but I know that he's got
1748
01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:06.920
some nice Bona fonts and it would have been really
1749
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:10.520
interesting to see that happen. But then you know, Jacob
1750
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:12.960
came out, and I think that's where I expected it
1751
01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:15.720
to go. But then I wasn't sure. There was part
1752
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:18.359
of me all show that was like, is Drew who
1753
01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:23.439
who let's remember quit quit? Was he going to come
1754
01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:27.039
back to screw Jacob over or was he going to
1755
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:29.159
come back to get involved with Cody and Randy in
1756
01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:33.199
the contract signing? And I sort of was hoping that
1757
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:35.439
the latter was going to be true. And I just
1758
01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:39.880
felt that that Drew, valuing the title the way he did,
1759
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:44.439
does would want to you know, like he backed away
1760
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:47.000
from Jacob because he saw there was nothing in that
1761
01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:50.600
for him. Of course he then he then you know,
1762
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:53.560
took him out later and that makes sense and that
1763
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:56.720
sets up the their next encounter. But I was kind
1764
01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:58.880
of hoping at that point that it led to h
1765
01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:02.680
to a match, you know, involvement with Drew in the
1766
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:05.279
contract signing, And now it sounds like it's leading to
1767
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:07.439
a match on SmackDown as opposed to wrestling.
1768
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:08.560
That's interesting.
1769
01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:12.359
I'm not sure where that goes, like, or if that
1770
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:14.840
match is actually gonna happen or what.
1771
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:20.520
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1790
01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:26.479
I'm glad you didn't get involved in Randy Cody because
1791
01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:30.880
I think Randy's are just you're now talking about adding
1792
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:33.880
a third person. It just it confuses, it throws a
1793
01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:37.800
bunch of emotions in different directions. You wanted Cody sentimental
1794
01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:40.239
with Randy, Randy seeming sentimental with Cody. There's a hug,
1795
01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:43.960
I'm emotionally touched. Randy stands up, turns his back, gathers
1796
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.600
his thoughts. What's really happening is it's voices in his
1797
01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:48.640
head and he's fighting them. But at the time it
1798
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:50.439
seemed like, oh, Randy's just trying. He doesn't want to
1799
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:52.840
cry on camera, and Cody's you know, well, it's like,
1800
01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:55.600
you know, I'm in a different place. You don't want
1801
01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:57.319
a distraction from that. And then all the heats, you know,
1802
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.319
on Randy blighting up Cody. So it's good that Drew there.
1803
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:01.439
And I don't think it makes sense to that drew
1804
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:03.800
to the match. I think they have enough of a
1805
01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:06.399
story here with with Randy and Cody in their history,
1806
01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:09.399
which Cody covered briefly, you know, in a pithy way
1807
01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:12.119
in this promo, so you didn't have to have know
1808
01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:15.319
prior knowledge of it. Like it's like nick All, this going, Drew,
1809
01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.399
you know my background, you know where I come from, Like, okay,
1810
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:19.920
you know they've entered into canon, nick All, this has
1811
01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:25.920
a background it they don't need to have the expository
1812
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.840
unnatural thing where Nick Go's I am a I was
1813
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:31.920
a wrestler for many you know, like, he didn't have
1814
01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:33.720
to say it. It's implied. People look it up, and
1815
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:35.760
obviously the announcers can. If it did come to that,
1816
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:38.159
the announcer certainly should tell the story of him being
1817
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:42.159
an ex wrestler and not not ignore it, but keep
1818
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:44.800
it focused on Cody and Randy. I mean, like, and
1819
01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:47.560
so let Drew go do something different? Does he deserve
1820
01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:50.840
something better than this? Yeah, but the timing did work out,
1821
01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:54.479
you know, I mean Cody Randy was I mean it
1822
01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:56.680
got of all the singles matches on our online poll,
1823
01:27:56.720 --> 01:27:59.000
it got the least number of votes other than maybe
1824
01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:04.960
javonn Evans. Yeah, Drew Cody got two percent of the
1825
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:06.520
votes in our online poll for who you want to
1826
01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:10.920
see Drew face at Wresselmania. Japon got one percent, Drew
1827
01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:13.079
and Orton one on one got seven percent, and two
1828
01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:16.039
to one on one got nine percent. Uh, Drew in
1829
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:19.039
La Knight got thirteen percent, and then some multimn matches
1830
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:21.600
got the most votes. That was when I just assumed
1831
01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:23.640
here would be championed at Wressemania. So I wasn't, you know,
1832
01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.680
factoring in other things so now we can do a
1833
01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:31.640
new pole. I guess on a variety things. But yeah, anyway, yere's.
1834
01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:35.000
Yeah, Drew's been tremendous, but there just weren't any fresh
1835
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:37.560
opponents left for him to face at WrestleMania that way,
1836
01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:39.520
for the time, it just didn't make sense. But what
1837
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.560
I love about Drew is that I can believe that
1838
01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:44.800
Drew sat home since he lost the title and said,
1839
01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:47.000
I'm going to go out on SmackDown and I'm going
1840
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:50.000
to make sure Aldis changes this or I'm gonna quit
1841
01:28:50.079 --> 01:28:51.920
because I know I'm gonna come back later and involve
1842
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.680
myself in something like I can see him crafting this
1843
01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:57.279
master plan to do this. I mean, he's done it before.
1844
01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:58.840
It's like if you've been watching him for the last
1845
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.800
six months, he does his stuff all the time. But
1846
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:04.000
it's fine. I love it when my wrestlers I can
1847
01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:06.479
believe that they actually went home, had their real lives
1848
01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:08.279
and knew how they were going to play this out
1849
01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:09.840
on the next show and make it work for them.
1850
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:12.680
Don't get me started on when I start thinking about
1851
01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:14.840
the day in the life of Johnny Gargano, because I
1852
01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:17.359
want to believe. I just like, what is this guy doing?
1853
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:20.119
That's a whole different story. But Drew is incredible.
1854
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:23.680
Uh, mister freshman ads real quick crafting if too and
1855
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:25.479
Drew's match can end in a DQ or something last
1856
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:27.680
week that leads to a special stipulation match at Mania,
1857
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:29.880
like even a hell in a cell. Mark Pisqutti says,
1858
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:33.399
Eldest against Drew seems like a foregone conclusion. I don't
1859
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:35.119
know that it means it has to be arsomania. They
1860
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:38.560
might save it for backlash or what you know what,
1861
01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.960
Like you can do something like that, but save it
1862
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:44.079
for you know where you want to sell extra tickets
1863
01:29:44.119 --> 01:29:46.439
and get extra interest. Kind of like Pat McAfee and
1864
01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:51.920
good their last year. Uh well, like Goodfella had one
1865
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.600
more kind and not Goodfellas is not running through a
1866
01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:56.880
somnia made event. I can argue with Spineless. I love
1867
01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:58.640
Randy against Cody, but when does Trip Leach take some
1868
01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:01.159
chances show your chest moves ob against Drew or Elle
1869
01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:03.680
Knight could have been there. I agree with that. I
1870
01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:06.279
mean Drew has champion defending against Oba Femmy or Elle
1871
01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:09.840
Knight or a babyface trick Williams those options were on
1872
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:13.760
the table and they chose not to rush that, you know,
1873
01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:15.399
and I think they would have seen it as rushing it,
1874
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:18.680
but that would have been taken a chance. But that's
1875
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:20.680
you know that that pace is not how they do
1876
01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:24.159
things when they have other options. And I've defended it
1877
01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:27.159
to a degree, but men more critical lately booking Wressemania
1878
01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:29.119
based on who deserves the main event instead of what
1879
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:32.119
the best main events are for fans. I think it's
1880
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:34.520
something that should just you don't, don't go against it
1881
01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.880
by default, but question whether that's the main motivation. And
1882
01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:39.600
that's why I'm less critical of the Drew thing. It
1883
01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:41.680
isn't about Drew's feelings or what he deserves. It's about
1884
01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:44.720
what timing wise worked out best for fans to be
1885
01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:48.119
interested in Wressemania. Do your best with Drew otherwise and
1886
01:30:48.199 --> 01:30:50.640
it's unfortunate, but you know, his character can complain about
1887
01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:52.600
it all right, Crafton, Yeah, No.
1888
01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:55.199
And I wasn't. I wasn't upset with the way the
1889
01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:59.560
final segment turned out. And I you know, when watching it,
1890
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:01.840
I had no idea what the Cody and Randy of
1891
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:04.720
it all was going to be I and I and
1892
01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:07.640
what I would do as a booker is probably similar
1893
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:11.520
to this, but as a character, I guess I just
1894
01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:15.680
felt to Eric's point of Drew's doing at home. I
1895
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:20.680
felt like, what would be like, what's Drew's priority for
1896
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:24.119
going after Jacob? Like Jacob screw to him, I guess,
1897
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:28.600
but like he's already abandoning this, this this title, which
1898
01:31:29.199 --> 01:31:31.079
to me, I just feel like, you know, you quit,
1899
01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:34.000
You're doing this whole gambit. You come, you use it
1900
01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:37.880
to to somehow involve yourself with the thing that you
1901
01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:38.439
really want.
1902
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:39.319
That that was.
1903
01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.760
That was the only thing I understand wrestling wise, why
1904
01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:44.960
it makes sense to do this booking wise, why it
1905
01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:46.880
makes sense to do this. I just felt that Drew's
1906
01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:49.560
character was kind of like he nails it all the time,
1907
01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:51.319
and this just felt like I'm like, oh, I wish
1908
01:31:51.399 --> 01:31:54.079
he'd made another play for the title, even if it
1909
01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:56.119
hadn't worked out and Jacob had stopped him.
1910
01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:56.600
Or something like that.
1911
01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:58.880
That's right, So I agree with you, and I had
1912
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:01.640
the same thought. I did the mental gymnastics to allow
1913
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:04.199
myself to believe he was sending home, and he's like,
1914
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:06.119
you know what, I don't see any way into this
1915
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:09.159
one anymore. Think of exhausts at all options. What else
1916
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.079
can I get out of this? So I was like
1917
01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:13.560
I was, I was deciding. He realized he couldn't get
1918
01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:14.880
back into that, and that's why he chose to go
1919
01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:15.399
the other way.
1920
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.680
Yeah, no, makes sense. We have to do that sometimes
1921
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:20.439
we have to do that.
1922
01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:22.439
We've had the same line of thought here.
1923
01:32:23.079 --> 01:32:23.319
Yeah.
1924
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:26.760
Yeah, but Drew is tremendous, and you know, it sucks
1925
01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:29.720
that he he's not holding the title at WrestleMania. But
1926
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.680
I understand why they needed to go this way. And
1927
01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:35.479
and Cody Andrew that was a dead horse I would
1928
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:38.560
have in the poll, waight. I think I voted as
1929
01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:42.800
least interesting, even the low Javon has seen that again.
1930
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:46.800
So those polls, by the way, at PW torch dot com,
1931
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:48.960
for anybody who whene reference Poles there, we always got
1932
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:51.039
him up on the sidebar or in the opinion section.
1933
01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:52.640
If you want to look for our latest ones and vote,
1934
01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:56.439
go ahead, cry I want to read some chat comments
1935
01:32:56.439 --> 01:32:59.760
about what we're talking about, So don't change topics yet, okay.
1936
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:05.239
Uh, just just on on on Alvius in terms of
1937
01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:07.840
in terms of wrestling, uh, And the fact that he
1938
01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:11.359
hasn't been introduced to the WWE audience, be it in
1939
01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:15.560
terms of like his move set, you know, even entrance music,
1940
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:19.399
anything like that. Like he's not a he's a known character,
1941
01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:23.279
but not necessarily a known wrestler. Do you think that
1942
01:33:23.439 --> 01:33:26.840
that makes him because even Pat McAfee, everybody knows Pat
1943
01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:29.840
McAfee's music that he comes out to. He has his
1944
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:33.239
little mannerisms everything. So when he has a match against Goudther,
1945
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:37.960
you're already able. He already generates that pop where Nick
1946
01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:41.319
aldis Let's say they they did go with him at Backlash,
1947
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:44.000
or they ask him to lace it up. He's already
1948
01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:46.880
been pushed to the limit. He's in a feud with
1949
01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:49.159
the wrestler. It's a big deal that the GM is
1950
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:52.039
stepping into the ring. Do you think that that it
1951
01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:56.159
diminishes it in some way that he is ill defined
1952
01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:58.039
as a wrestler or do you think that's part of
1953
01:33:58.079 --> 01:33:58.520
the appeal.
1954
01:33:59.880 --> 01:34:01.279
I'm saying more part of the appeal and they have
1955
01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:04.359
time to I think that's the novelty factor is there.
1956
01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:06.239
I think it's sort of a blend. I mean, he
1957
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:09.840
was once a main event wrestler outside of WWE. I
1958
01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:13.520
think that's novel and then intriguing and perhaps new information
1959
01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:15.479
for some viewers who're like, oh, that's where he came from.
1960
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:17.239
I want to see how he can wrestle. I see
1961
01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:18.560
him as a guy in a suit, So I mean
1962
01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:20.479
I think he can be a plus of that way.
1963
01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:22.319
Eric, Yeah, I think he can be the best of
1964
01:34:22.359 --> 01:34:24.600
both worlds. You have people that are familiar with what
1965
01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:26.239
he does and they'll be excited to see it and
1966
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:28.840
on this stage, and then you have other people that
1967
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.199
will be learning as they watch it for the first time, like, Oh,
1968
01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:32.880
this is what this guy can do. I didn't realize
1969
01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:34.760
he could do this. I think you get a lot
1970
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:36.960
out of that, all right.
1971
01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:41.439
Some check comments on Drew ride here. Hockey B says,
1972
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:44.199
home run, take Goodfellow, Drew carried the brand for a
1973
01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:47.520
year and his reward is jobbing out on the undercard.
1974
01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:52.760
Next Goodfella says, maybe that's where I disagree. Take I
1975
01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:57.640
take a chance on Drew. Hockey B says Drew is
1976
01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:01.560
more compelling, a more compelling character than Tody all year. Yeah,
1977
01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:04.800
compelling isn't always the deciding factor on whether you're a
1978
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:07.000
main eventor I mean, sometimes it's you earn TV time.
1979
01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:10.239
But anyway, so we'll get to that Santivation sas Drew
1980
01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:12.199
the ultimate punk troll by quitting during the show and
1981
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:14.119
then starting a fight like he's punk at all. In
1982
01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:19.319
l l uh Polo Pizzaz, Drew has been doing amazing work.
1983
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:20.319
Uh.
1984
01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:23.680
Then Derek says, I agree with you about Drew. He
1985
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:26.399
has all the other tools but missing something that isn't
1986
01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:28.680
connecting with the crowd. By the way, where's Derek from Utah?
1987
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:32.680
I missed Derek from Utah in these chats. Come on back.
1988
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:35.159
When I say Derek, I'm like, oh, I better clarify,
1989
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:40.760
But Derek from Utah disappeared on us. Drew hockey Be
1990
01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:43.159
says Drew's better at literally every aspect of this business
1991
01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:46.039
than Cody, with the exception of selling t shirts to children.
1992
01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:55.039
But again, he's consistently mostly mostly hockey Be sad verses.
1993
01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:56.840
You could say in KF that Drew needs to get
1994
01:35:56.920 --> 01:35:58.840
rid of the Jacob problem before going after the belt again.
1995
01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:01.199
If not, if not, you couple keep chasing him. There
1996
01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:03.600
are Derek says Drew's like that son that works at
1997
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:05.239
his dad's business and says he quit in the morning
1998
01:36:05.239 --> 01:36:07.000
and then returns at lunchtime. I'm tired of whining and
1999
01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:11.119
using the quit card. Goodfella says Drew is a night
2000
01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:12.960
one main eventre to me after his main event, we
2001
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:17.359
find out what's next. Stand Aviation says Drew is a
2002
01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:19.800
pulling out George Costanzi, showing him at work the next
2003
01:36:19.880 --> 01:36:25.640
day like nothing happened. Good seinfiled reference there, Oh, Sadler
2004
01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:28.039
says Derek from Utah was in the chat earlier. Okay, good,
2005
01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:28.920
I guess I missed that.
2006
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:31.119
Good.
2007
01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:35.359
We'll stick around longer then, so I noticed. iPhone users,
2008
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I want to wrap up the show in a few minutes,
2026
01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:32.000
so I don't want to cut you too short, but
2027
01:37:32.079 --> 01:37:33.439
is there anything else you want to add before we
2028
01:37:34.119 --> 01:37:36.039
kind of go to rapid fire section sections?
2029
01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:39.920
Okay, yes, just one thing real quick, and Wade, I
2030
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:43.399
saw you noted in your report as well, which has
2031
01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:49.800
to do with Tiffany Stratton. Tiffany, you know, ever since
2032
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:52.760
she turned face, I've not seen I guess, an evolution
2033
01:37:52.960 --> 01:37:56.479
of her as a character. And I you know, she's
2034
01:37:56.720 --> 01:38:01.880
tremendously talented, sort of gymnast style, but I just feel
2035
01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:05.760
like she is, I don't know, going in the wrong
2036
01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:11.000
direction or not improving for lack of a better word,
2037
01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:14.720
A character seems stuck in time. Do you guys? Am
2038
01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:18.079
I missing something with Tiffany? And what would you, what
2039
01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:20.800
would you recommend is like a way forward for her
2040
01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:22.359
where they should be positioning her.
2041
01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:25.279
I guess I don't have a lot of hope in
2042
01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:29.479
Tiffany right now. I mean as a babyface, I think
2043
01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:34.239
she's I mean, one of the most insulferable miscast babyface
2044
01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:38.079
acts in a long time in pro wrestling. I mean,
2045
01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:41.119
I just don't know what to say. I mean in
2046
01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:45.760
the ring, I think she is okay, you know, it's
2047
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:47.520
a little acrobatic and stuff. I don't think there's a
2048
01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:49.800
thing too special lot It's not like, oh my god,
2049
01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:52.640
she doesn't belong in the ring, but it's not that.
2050
01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:58.319
But man, she should be a heal and not change
2051
01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:03.199
much of anything, not that. I yeah, so, Eric, I
2052
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:04.039
think she's.
2053
01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:06.199
Been struggling in the ring ever since she came back,
2054
01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:09.439
and tonight might have been been her best performance in
2055
01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:10.840
the ring since she came back. But it's been a
2056
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:14.039
real struggle. And then I think she's feeling how stale
2057
01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:16.079
her character and how out of touch and how much
2058
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:18.760
it doesn't make sense, and it's probably affecting everything. It
2059
01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:21.880
seems like she hasn't recovered from everything that happened with
2060
01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:24.079
Charlotte Flair. However many months ago that was.
2061
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:33.359
Yeah, although I mean there's just a very thin foundation
2062
01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:38.479
to her. I mean, like, I don't think she needs
2063
01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:40.920
a bad thing to happen with Charlotte, for her to
2064
01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:46.119
be a superficial, paper thin character that has no depth,
2065
01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:50.079
no nuance, no self awareness, no appeal beyond the obvious
2066
01:39:50.399 --> 01:39:53.760
optics of falling in a certain spot, and everything else
2067
01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:57.680
is miscast And it can be a lot better if
2068
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:02.319
they cast her properly. I'm sorry, but there's nothing. There's
2069
01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:05.520
just nothing about her tone, her delivery, her body language
2070
01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:10.479
that that is a that is a babyface act.
2071
01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:13.319
I mean yeah, well, even tonight when they started off
2072
01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:15.319
with her, which I thought was actually a pretty good segment,
2073
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:19.079
which when she started cutting the promo on Julia, and
2074
01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:20.640
then it was all just to set up the gag
2075
01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:24.399
of her grabbing Green's wheelchair rolling her down the hallway.
2076
01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:27.800
She's coming out across as such a heel, staring in
2077
01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:30.560
the mirror like looking fixing her makeup or whatever she is,
2078
01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:33.119
and by the way, being funny.
2079
01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:36.600
So that's true, but it's it's I can't get past
2080
01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.079
the fact that if when someone looks in the mirror
2081
01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:42.399
and they pretend they're looking at themselves, but it's actually
2082
01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:45.119
they're looking at the camera to the side. Because if
2083
01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:47.199
you film someone looking in the mirror, they're not looking
2084
01:40:47.239 --> 01:40:49.640
at the lens, so looking at their at themselves, so
2085
01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:52.720
it looks super fake, and it's like, give us credit,
2086
01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:55.800
Like I think we understand someone that they look in
2087
01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:57.159
the mirror is not going to be looking at a
2088
01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:59.159
camera lens. We're gonna they're gonna be looking at themselves,
2089
01:40:59.199 --> 01:41:01.239
and thus the case well be directly into the camera lens.
2090
01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:04.039
It's just I don't know that stuff. Was that a
2091
01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:05.319
pet peeve? That's probably a pet peeve.
2092
01:41:06.279 --> 01:41:07.159
It's a good pet peeve.
2093
01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:08.079
Though, thank you.
2094
01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:10.600
I'll have time for another hour on pet thieves.
2095
01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:11.920
No, we don't know, we don't.
2096
01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:15.800
I'm just I'll let you guys go. Thank you so
2097
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:17.800
much for the time. I just will say I am
2098
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:21.279
surprised that Tiffany's still getting She seems to be well
2099
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:25.600
received by the audience. It's Tiffy time, the one line
2100
01:41:25.720 --> 01:41:29.079
she has seems to still get picked up. So, I
2101
01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:31.880
mean there is some stuff she has going for. I'm
2102
01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:35.199
not completely against, like, I just think they need to
2103
01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.399
do something else with her in terms of being a babyface.
2104
01:41:37.479 --> 01:41:40.239
Otherwise turn her heel for sure, because I agree with
2105
01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:44.039
all our mannerisms are of the heel. So but so
2106
01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:46.680
our Roman reigns and he's supposedly a face, So what
2107
01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:48.880
do we do? All right?
2108
01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:55.000
I could explain why there's differences there, but yeah, I know, okay, yeah, tonight.
2109
01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:57.279
I will let you guys close it up and thank
2110
01:41:57.279 --> 01:41:57.800
you so much.
2111
01:41:58.159 --> 01:42:04.760
Thanks always great, Hi Eric crafton all right, what's on
2112
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:07.039
your what else on your checklist? As you search for
2113
01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:09.760
that quotes most of it.
2114
01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:12.319
The one thing I really wanted to make sure to
2115
01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:17.159
get in was how great Iliana Dragonov was tonight. Everything
2116
01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:20.159
that he's been explaining about, you know, the passion of
2117
01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:22.239
his mother is with drove him. I thought it really
2118
01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:25.920
came into focus tonight with his last line of how
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can I fight you when I'm busy fighting myself? I
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01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:31.399
thought that was such a great line and it gave
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01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:34.000
me so much like focus on what he is now
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01:42:34.640 --> 01:42:37.920
and clearly we're getting that match at WrestleMania, and it
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01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:41.000
speaks to everything we've been saying tonight about timing they have.
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01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:44.920
They have cooled that off enough but kind of kept
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01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:47.199
it simmering at the same time, so that it still
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01:42:47.279 --> 01:42:53.840
will feel like it's something we want to watch at WrestleManias.
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01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:55.279
Adding like, I am not fighting you, I am fighting myself.
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01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:58.399
That's what you don't understand. It's like two different life
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01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:00.760
It's like, you know, first year at college, or you're
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01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:02.119
just kind of hanging out with your friends. You're like,
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01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:03.640
why you like that? And then you're like you sit
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01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:05.920
around and you're like, oh, okay, that's because you have
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01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:08.439
a different upbringing than me. You have different life experience
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01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:10.880
than me. And now I'm growing up and realizing not
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01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:13.840
everybody comes from this the same type of small town
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01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:15.640
I do, with the same type of parents and upbringing
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01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:18.119
and support group, and that has affected you. That's what
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01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:21.199
Dragonov's saying to Carmelo. You shoot, you don't miss great. Well,
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01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:23.600
I got this mom, and I got this guilt complex
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01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:27.479
and whatever. It's like, it's yeah, it's it's not stuff
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01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.680
we used to see in wrestling. And when I say
2142
01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:33.119
don't insult us with Tiffany looking in a mirror, and
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01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:36.119
she's looking in the mirror, because you know, it's like,
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01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:38.359
don't insult us. We know it's okay, Well, we can
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01:43:38.600 --> 01:43:40.720
understand someone's looking at themselves in the mirror without them
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01:43:40.760 --> 01:43:45.319
looking at us through the mirror, and so the dragon
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01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:47.479
off thing is is deeper than that. I think they're
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01:43:47.479 --> 01:43:49.159
trying to be deeper than that with Kit Wilson, and
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01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:51.199
it's like kind of flailing a bit. But I did,
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01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:54.319
by the way, just relate to that Jellyro going we
2151
01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:56.720
all kind of secretly like you is very in tune.
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01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:59.920
I think with the audience like it's it's acknowledging you
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01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:01.920
know what. The whole given is kind of stupid. It
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01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:04.520
feels like there's some subversive ulterior or motive to try
2155
01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:06.920
to make people seem foolish for not buying into the
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01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:11.359
Manisphere nonsense, and just you know, the insecurity on display
2157
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:14.600
there and trying to you know, create this like effeminate,
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01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:19.079
non manly version of everything that is a valid criticism
2159
01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:22.640
of the Manisphere and bro culture and all that. Okay,
2160
01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:26.680
that aside, Kim Wilson is freaking entertaining that ring entrance,
2161
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:31.119
the video screen, the mannerisms, the delivery, He's got it.
2162
01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:33.039
And so yeah, Jellyro was right about that.
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01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:36.800
Yeah, absolutely, I want to point Derek Mitchell did just
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01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:39.319
say that am I sure or that are we sure
2165
01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:43.520
that we're getting Carmelo versus dragging off of WrestleMania or
2166
01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:46.439
is it gonna be the SmackDown before Mania. I'm definitely
2167
01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:49.359
not sure. I think it should be a WrestleMania. I
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01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:52.039
think it shouldn't be framed as an open challenge, which
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01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:53.520
is typically the SmackDown thing.
2170
01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:55.079
But I don't know.
2171
01:44:55.119 --> 01:44:58.279
I don't know what you think we'd hops that WrestleMania.
2172
01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:01.039
I mean, yeah, both, then that's what I hope for
2173
01:45:01.119 --> 01:45:02.399
he that's what I think will happen. I think it'll
2174
01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:05.439
be a Ustralia, I hope, And I think I think
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01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:07.439
they will put something that they spent less time on
2176
01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:11.119
in the in the sort of pre show of WrestleMania,
2177
01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:13.159
which is what SmackDown has has become to a degree,
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01:45:13.199 --> 01:45:14.399
the precial match light up.
2179
01:45:17.439 --> 01:45:20.079
See one other thing, Yeah, I don't think most of
2180
01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:22.039
the only other thing I would want to touch on is,
2181
01:45:22.079 --> 01:45:24.119
believe it or not, the Gargano stuff. I don't know
2182
01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:27.479
if did you notice in the who was talking in
2183
01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:30.680
the back of that segment with Shelley and Gargano and
2184
01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:33.000
Candice La Ray Because I think if I had blinked,
2185
01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:35.039
I would have missed it. But Jay Cargo was in
2186
01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:37.199
the back talking to be fab So I thought that
2187
01:45:37.319 --> 01:45:37.840
was interesting.
2188
01:45:38.600 --> 01:45:39.279
Yeah, I know that.
2189
01:45:39.319 --> 01:45:40.760
I don't know if anybody else picked up on that
2190
01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:42.399
or if I got it wrong. Let me know, because
2191
01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:43.960
I might have been seeing things.
2192
01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:46.560
You never know, it's probably happened.
2193
01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:49.960
But I would encourage everybody when they when they stopped
2194
01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:52.159
listening tonight and when they go to bed. Trying to
2195
01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:54.439
imagine a day in the life of Johnny Gargano right now,
2196
01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:56.960
because I can't help a picture. Just imagine this is
2197
01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:58.960
his real life. He's just laying on a crate. I
2198
01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.520
imagine Candiceller has to wheel him out of the arena.
2199
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:03.800
Can't get in the car because he can't fit, so
2200
01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:05.079
it's just to wheel him all the way to their
2201
01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:07.520
hotel room. And just imagine where it goes from there,
2202
01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:09.079
Like how does he get to the next place?
2203
01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:11.960
Well, at home with the Gargannas was a segment in
2204
01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:15.479
an XT you know, years ago, so we may get that.
2205
01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:19.840
But let's see. Uh, Dan Housen was fun tonight. Miss
2206
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:22.560
is a good foil for him. I like that dynamic.
2207
01:46:23.439 --> 01:46:26.720
I want to just got cursed. Eric got cursed twice
2208
01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:28.920
won the mic went out and two he got punched
2209
01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:30.600
when it wasn't and when it wasn't intended for him.
2210
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:35.239
So I like that they're they're not actually literally having
2211
01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:39.880
supernatural things happen, but we're like, WHOA, what a coincidence?
2212
01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:41.439
You know, but it's believable. Go ahead.
2213
01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:41.680
Yeah.
2214
01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:43.720
Well, and Dan Housen did tease that there's a way
2215
01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:45.680
to reverse the curse, so we just don't know what
2216
01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:48.720
that is yet. And I wish I could give credit
2217
01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:50.800
to whomever this was that I saw on social media
2218
01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:54.199
this morning that said it would be hilarious if Dan
2219
01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:56.720
Housen tries to come out with Demolition to get inducted
2220
01:46:56.760 --> 01:46:59.680
into the Hall of Fame with him with them kind
2221
01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:03.239
of a dressed. He doesn't even have to, he's already
2222
01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:04.399
ruined the red, black and white.
2223
01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:08.760
At least put on like one thing that's Demolition oriented,
2224
01:47:09.239 --> 01:47:11.239
the Spike type outfit or whatever.
2225
01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:14.039
We didn't talk about. We didn't talk about all about
2226
01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:15.560
the women's tag situation.
2227
01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:17.720
I guess I was going to bring up the Bellas.
2228
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:20.680
Yeah, I geat. I don't know what to do with
2229
01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:23.760
the Bellas. I assume there will be a multi woman
2230
01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:26.560
tag match. I don't think it's going to be limited
2231
01:47:26.600 --> 01:47:28.439
to those three teams, but I could be wrong.
2232
01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:32.439
So I enjoyed the Bellis cadence and their promos is
2233
01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:35.640
always pause for booze or cheers that aren't there, and
2234
01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:37.319
it's like they're just pausing so they can be inserted
2235
01:47:37.359 --> 01:47:39.760
later in post production, not realizing their life. There's like
2236
01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.560
this cadence, what's there? What's there? Bella fan group called
2237
01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:45.880
the Bella Universe. What do they say, army or Bella Army. Yeah,
2238
01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:49.960
it's like, hey, Bella Army silence and that's like in
2239
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:52.600
strict cheers and post It's great to be in our
2240
01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:56.960
hometown Phoenix, No nothing show.
2241
01:47:57.000 --> 01:47:59.319
The one girl in the crowd that watched Total Divas
2242
01:47:59.399 --> 01:48:02.039
or Total bell Yep, yep.
2243
01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:07.199
Good fellow likes Dan Housen and Demolition. Yeah, I'm I'm
2244
01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:09.479
I'm look forward to Dan houston segments. I always liked
2245
01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:11.239
his shick and I think they're doing a good job
2246
01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:11.520
with it.
2247
01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:15.800
Was what it was?
2248
01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:16.800
Nothing?
2249
01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:19.239
Yeah, I think Los Garza getting more and more to
2250
01:48:19.319 --> 01:48:20.760
do and always showing how good they are.
2251
01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:26.279
Yep, yep. Uh, let's see anything else. I mean, I'm
2252
01:48:27.119 --> 01:48:28.680
and we didn't cover every single segment, but I mean
2253
01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:30.439
now that the I don't know if there's a lot
2254
01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:34.159
to say with Solo and just grab the damn lantern. Yeah,
2255
01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:37.319
Wyatt family, just it's sitting there, like, just grab it
2256
01:48:37.399 --> 01:48:37.920
during the match.
2257
01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:42.920
I also do get frustrated when what was the backstage
2258
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:46.720
segment when they're talking and Solo tells Tama to protect
2259
01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:49.239
the lantern and then Shinskate comes up, and I think
2260
01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:52.399
I wrote verbatim in my report shinsk says a bunch
2261
01:48:52.439 --> 01:48:54.079
of things in Japanese that I can't explain to you
2262
01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:55.560
because I have no idea what he said, and they
2263
01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:57.640
didn't tell us anything. There's no way for us to know.
2264
01:48:58.039 --> 01:49:01.079
And I sometimes it's just inn but it's just mumbled,
2265
01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:03.560
you know, It's just he doesn't have the annunciation polished
2266
01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:06.239
yet so and might never All right, cool?
2267
01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:06.880
Eric?
2268
01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:07.199
Thanks?
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01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:08.000
Yeah?
2270
01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:10.279
Thanks, then find last fun fun show to cover here.
2271
01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:11.359
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