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Speaker 1: Your Weekend, Your Way, the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge, News Dog Zebby.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and in no particular order, my panelists. She's a producer and journalist, and it's Irene Gardner. Hello Irene, how are you doing well?
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Tim, Good afternoon.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I loved your winter look today. When you arrived in the studio, you were wrapped up like it was snowing. You were wrapped up like an Auckland when it's about fifteen.
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Speaker 4: Degrees it's quite cold out there. And on a sweet note, you know that little wooly hat I was wearing. That's one of the last things my mum Ne had been and she's no longer with.
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Speaker 3: Us, so it's a it's a very cute hat. You look like you looked like you were sort of off the pole. Yes, you look like you are sharing in the sort of northern Hemisphere Christmas and joining Irene with me is he's a real estate agent, he's a restaurant owner. I want to call him an impresario, which is a which is a fun word. It's Luke Dalo. Hello, look, how are you going on? Very well?
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Speaker 2: What's that word? Cunning?
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Speaker 3: Impresario. That's more of it, that's more than you actually. Speaking of showbiz, I I've had a couple of little things, just to quickly mention. I went to the production of Chicago last night, which is at the Bruce Mas. It's moving to christ Church next week and a good friend of mine, Ben McDonald's producing at This features a few people I know as well, and I've got to say it was absolutely outstanding. So if you're in christ Church and you're think you're buying tickets. It is. It's filling up very quickly. But I would highly recommend it. The band, the music, direction and everything. It really is. It was, it was, it was blooming fantastic. Igod, what's your favorite moment in the Actually it was one of my colleagues at a Parates Penzanceworth, Andy Granger, who plays the character of Amous, who was mister Cellophane. He's the guy that no one ever notices. And he played him like a middle a middle sort of just a working man. He didn't play him with any sense of overplaying, the sense of pathos, and god, he was bloody good. I mean, all the cast were fantastic. They had a wonderful ensemble in the and the two leads played Volmy and Rocks and Jackie. Of course, it's it's a sensational production. Any nudity. Actually, they are a couple there who got down to not very much. It's almost so much so after a while I was like, gosh, it might be time to put some on anyway. And the other thing I did want to just mention a shout out to I was MC at A for the gala concert featuring two schools. And I know there are a lot of fantastic schools, fantastic teachers and music, but for this occasion, it was the Bardine College and Saint Peter's garla event at the Holy Trinity Cathedral and Parnell and I actually it was you know, I found it quite moving, how amazing those kids were, the multitude of ensembles, the senior band, the brass band, the Saint Peter's Big band, Oh my goodness, and then the combined orchestra at the end. It was just so amazing to see these kids who'd stuck in so much hard work, supported by such wonderful teachers who have been mentoring them. And I had to remind the audience, by the way, this is just this is the sound from just two schools. And I don't know, I just it was a lovely moment of community to go and see that sort of thing. Great schools.
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Speaker 2: Those Catholic schools too, aren't they.
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Speaker 3: Yes they are. I'm a part I'm not Catholic, but my girls are at a Catholic school.
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Speaker 2: Peter's Boy, Peter's Boy.
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Speaker 3: It was never in the band though, No, were you head boy or something?
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Speaker 2: Or held Sudden's deputy head boy at the moment. Actually, yes, in the first five they came. They beat some kents yesterday, but he's deputy head boys and people.
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Speaker 3: Big shout out for Saint Peter's pet cancers.
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Speaker 2: Is that a bit of a grudge match kind of sort off because they pay for their players.
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Speaker 3: We don't Oh those were over, Oh Luke, you're a stairu mate. Anyway, anyway, let's get on with the panels, shall we. But by the way, if you're in the community and you hear about one of these concerts, you know what, go and pop along. It's probably generally the ticket price is about round twenty bucks or something. Go in and just see what it's community in your area is doing. Whether you're be in christ you shouldn't need in you know, Northland, whatever. Some of these events involved in the schools really are bliming amazing, so do it please. Anyway, let's start off with our first topic. Now, I'm really keen. I think I heard you, maybe I heard you on Hosking or someone Irene about this New Zealand on air funding reality. I actually can't remember what you said. So we can start afresh about how they're funding, well, they're funding Celebrity Treasure Island and the traitors and I went off for any opinion. So we've got you and your you know, you've what's your position in the screen.
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Speaker 4: I'm the president of the Producers Guild and.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, reality TV being funded by New Zealand on air, Irene, Well.
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Speaker 4: There's sort of two arms to this. One is reality TV tends to have a bad name because of the low end of reality TV, you know, the endless Real Housewives of Goodness, snows Where and you know sort of Love Island. But of course there's lots of quite quality shows that are technically reality shows. There's the Casketeers, for example, match Fit, the restaurant that makes mistakes down for Love, Diary of a Junior Doctor. There's lots. Okay, so Celebrity Treasure and Trader's New Zealand. Yep, they you more pure entertainment formats. But what has happened with local content is because of years of YouTube, Facebook, Google and the streamers operating here are unregulated. Our networks basically have very little commercial revenue now for spending on local content, so they can't really fully fund shows anymore. So unless INSI on Air changes its traditional mandate, which was to fund the shows that were sort of a little bit of out of what the commercial sphere would have funded. Unless they move a bit more in the commercial direction, we're not going to have any of these popular shows anymore, that you know, whether I like them or not, Traders and celebrity tread to writer. People love them, and they're the sort of shows that people sit around and watch together. But they're expensive to make, okay, And I I don't feel I am at all that they are shows that employ a lot of people. A lot of people watch them, and actually they do both have a lot of New Zealand humor and New Zealand culture in them. So I'm fine with it. It's going to be a reality of what Insed on Air has to fund to keep some music and Telly happening. That people actually, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 2: Who watches them? I mean, I don't watch How many times can you accident you fall in love? How many times can you find treasure on Treasure Island?
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Speaker 3: And socially less times?
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Speaker 4: And there's tons of fun along the way, and people love it. It's not my cup of tea, but you love it.
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Speaker 3: I'm just bored with it.
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Speaker 2: So I rather, you know, the money goes into educational history programs and give them money to young directors and producers to bring new stuff onto onto you. I disliked the repetition of these reality TV sort of show that Groundhog Day.
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Speaker 4: There's a lot more work. This is a lot more work for an industry that's on its knees, these big shows. So you don't think about that.
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Speaker 3: I do, but I sort of. I just I know various people who want to get things made and tell New Zealand stories and documentary makers who are strugging to get funding as well.
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Speaker 4: Though if you look at the funding list, you're picking on two shows out of a broad list that had lots of docos, Country Cow all kinds of quality stuff as well, depending on your definition of quality.
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Speaker 3: I guess it doesn't feel p organic to me, and it feels very formulaic. And that's the thing.
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Speaker 4: It's not okay, it's like he shows out of twenty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, here you go, here's my mate who's produced Chicago. He brings it in, he doesn't get any government funding, and he uses a New Zealand cast and he puts bums on seats and he finds the money for it, as opposed to this crap, which I'm sorry, it's formula like garbage, and who cares you're getting it?
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Speaker 4: Well, the people who love watching it here and they're getting it for free, and then we can't find it with adread anymore, so.
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Speaker 3: They gang luck. It can't stand up. I mean, ultimately, something has to do.
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Speaker 4: So what you'd be happy to have? Absolutely no New Zealand television content.
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Speaker 5: No, no.
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Speaker 3: Cind its way to something else.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way. Sorry, guys.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just sort of think if that's if that's the resort we have to go.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I just thought, what's your problem with that? Because I don't think they reflection in New Zealand culture, whether science says and c and everything the strip.
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Speaker 4: I know that's not true. I don't think you've watched them.
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Speaker 2: If you say that, I have, and I'd rather watch commercials between then the shows.
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Speaker 4: Oh that's your opinion, but well that's what we're here for.
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Speaker 3: People like that. When somebody says that's your opinion, that's sort of like, well that's fair enough, that's not an argument. But I think it's just we're going to agree to different aren't. I mean, what would you what would you like to see New Zealand television look like? I guess is this the stuff?
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Speaker 4: I'd like it to be able to keep looking like what it looks like without there being no local content at all, which is the point that we're at. So you know, if if and I mean, I have no particular issue with these two shows, but I think you also have to remember that's two shows in a big, long list of show.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of money though, right, Okay, what could you pick out of that list where you go, well, look.
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Speaker 3: There's country Calendar, love that show, Bingo, absolutely and lots of it.
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Speaker 4: And there's docos. I mean, I haven't got this in front of me, but there's docos, factual series, all.
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Speaker 3: Kinds of How much money do they spend each each funding round for in on it?
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Speaker 4: I can't remember what that one was. There was quite a high round, I think.
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Speaker 3: Okay, what about that Missing Person one? Is that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's David Lomessa's show that's funded by seven days?
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Speaker 3: Tell you what? We need to come up with an idea, Luke and I.
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Speaker 4: Think we need a let's three seven days do you think that's New Zealand culture, because that's in there getting funding for many years. And you know there's just as much New Zealand humor in Celebrity Treasure Island as there is in Seven Days.
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Speaker 3: So there's lots lots of key humor on this show. And we don't receive send the government money, so there.
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Speaker 2: We got no money's governing anyway.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Look, we put this out there because it enables people to review their opinions. And you've got Irene and people might be like, I agree with Irene, or we've got Luke or Tim and you know who you agree with. And that's what we're here to thresh these things out to help inform people. So Irene, I thank you for your thorough explanation and passion for people.
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Speaker 4: Want to read more about it. There's a great piece on the spin off by Tara Award.
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Speaker 3: I will go and have a look at that Tara Award. Okay, not because my producer's name is Tyra Ward. You mean moonlighting? Have you tid that? Okay, she was Tyra Roberts. But she's she's married or she likes to remind me every time I call her by the wrong name. It's Ward. Now. Now, now this is going to be interesting as to how we whether we can guess each other's opinions on this. So the new road user charges, the announcement's been made by Chris Bishop that basically the fuel excise tax is gone. So that's seventy eighty cents. Elter sort of thing is going to be gone because there's GST added to it. So let's say it's about eighty cents. It's going to take off every and it's to make it an easier distribution and a fairer distribution. So everyone's paying their way. To drivers of all light vehicles, whether they be petrol, hybrid, diesel electric, they are now going to pay for road user chargers separately, whether it be by some transponder. I think they'll still have the paper method if you want to as a as a as a as a principle, it sounds right. But do we like it?
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Speaker 2: Luke Praise the Lord. I think it's a fantastic idea. It just levels out the playing field. And I'm right behind them doing it, and I've spoken to a couple of hybrid people at next by Z's you know, done with that.
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Speaker 3: But don't. Thank goodness, this is happening.
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Speaker 2: The upside of it is for boaties.
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Speaker 3: Yes, about three hundred million dollars. The boaties don't need to pay.
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Speaker 2: Brilliant. I'm a boaty and I think that's a great upside, So thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Irene, what do you reckon? You don't drive, do you?
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Speaker 6: So?
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Speaker 4: You don't have slaar and I don't drive, So I don't really have a dog in this fight.
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Speaker 3: No, you don't. You had a dog in the last fight. It was nipping me around the ankles.
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Speaker 4: A lot of opinions and now no opinion. Generally speaking, I do sort of think with cars and things though, that user pays sort of a fair way to go. Do we have an opinion though, as some people have had about the civil liberty's aspect of that we're being tracked everywhere?
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Speaker 3: Well here's I started five hours of tork back on this on overnights, and I started with the view that as a principle I agree with it, and then I was honest. I thought, oh god, it's another bill. I have to pat something, I've got arrange to pay. And actually my mind changed during the course of the five hours and I would say ninety nine percent of the callers did it for me as well as and here's my view, it's going to be a dog It's going to be an absolute Peaks breakfast.
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Speaker 4: It was a lovely next metter.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, it's going to be a dog's breakfast because not because it's not a good idea, but we have three hundred and sixty thousand households who struggle to pay for their groceries. We've got sixty percent of the applications to Tendancy Tribunal for unpaid rent. We've got seven billion owing to the IID. We have a nation of people who cannot keep track of their deck debt. So every time you fill up at the pump, you pay, you don't pay, you don't get the petrol. Whereas this is going to be a substantial charge over the course of a year to people, maybe fifteen hundred bucks, where people are going to have to take responsible the responsibility for paying it. And with the we don't have the police to enforce it, we're going to get people who don't pay it, they end up in debted. They're gonna fine, there'll be penalties, they're gonna be tens of thousands of people who don't meet their expectations of this legislation and where and so there's simply a new inequity, whereas currently the evs and the hybrids, the people who own those generally they've got a bit of extra money and they can pay for it. I think the implementation of this is going to be a complete dog And I had truckies calling in on this, people saying, you've got and that's the problem. If we should pay our debts, we should do what's what's supposed we're supposed to do. But everyone who wants to get around how many people are going to fail to tick the box they're supposed to fail, And how are we going to put I take that on board. Actually it's a tough one. A So I found myself in my opinion going, oh, I don't want to pay another bill. And then but I just think of all the people who are struggling, and if there's oh, look, i'll pay it next week, and all of a sudden they haven't paid it, and all of a sudden, it's like, actually, how much do you owe thirty bucks that week? Now you know, all of a sudden you are five hundred bucks you haven't paid it, what does the government do. There's going to be this massive non compliance, which won't be because of negligence or anything. It's going to be the whole basket of the people who struggle with debt.
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Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of cars clemped on the side of the road, isn't there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean we've had police or already, so how is it going to be policed? And so I'm I prefer the status quo and just find a fair way of doing the hybrids and the evs.
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Speaker 2: Or maybe at will do like checkpoints like we do checkpoints now breath.
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Speaker 3: I think if you taser the odd person who doesn't pay that much, and I don't like because on principle Bishop's right, but I just think that.
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Speaker 4: Implementation it's pretty tough out there. You could have an exemption if you're under a certain income.
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Speaker 3: And there we have it and Luke's changed far. That's the thing. There's no exemptions when you fill up for petrol. So it's it doesn't work.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'll tell you what after that.
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Speaker 4: Wonderful it was a dogsy joy.
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Speaker 3: Or that pigs it's a pig and a do and dogs breakfast. I think you put them together. There was a bit of a malapropism there. Anyway, By the way, don't forget you can. You can text your feedback anytime and say how much you love us.
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Speaker 5: Two.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go just dress the wound I've got from from getting savage by by Irene around the ankles there, and we'll be back in just a moment.
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Speaker 5: It's twenty five past three.
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Speaker 3: And so welcome back to the Weekend Collective and Beverage. Luke Dalla and Irene Gardner on my panelists. And now the boot camp pilot has ended in seven of those who participated in the government's militaries. Well, there's probably a misdescription of it military style boot camp, which is probably one of the problems. But they had a seventy percent of the people who attended it reoffended in some way, which means thirty percent I didn't. I guess didn't. But today marks the end of the twelve month pilot and it involved a group of young men who would be introduced to regular routine physical education drills and a three month residency phase followed by nine month community phase with intensive support. What do we make of it all. I'll start with you airing.
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Speaker 4: I talked about boot camp on here before. I'm not a great supporter of boot camps. I think you're a bit more supportive. And that is sort of slightly the wrong terminology because this was meant to be a kind of a modern version.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Children's Commissioner said said it didn't look at the boot camp word is misnomer. It's a rehabilitative sort of program.
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Speaker 4: And if that is the case, that's fine. And I don't know that it's entirely fair to judge it on the fact that some of the people you know, didn't do well, ended up back in custody, whatever, because what we don't really know is for the people the other kids, did it help them. I mean, when you look on the face of this, you sort of think, oh, that might be the end of it, that pilot, because it doesn't sound it's gone that well. But i'd be to know was it different enough. I mean, most researches that the traditional boot camps don't really work. If this was something different and it did work for some of the young people, then you know, open mind.
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Speaker 3: I think from what I understand is that the ones who of the ones who did reoffend, it was a lower level of offending. They were still in trouble. But on my view, just quickly before I go to Luke, is that these are kids who were one hundred percent reoffending all the time they were. I don't know, I'm trying to find that the good way of saying it. But they were a big problem and they there wasn't much hope for them. So here's a chance, and thirty percent of them haven't reoffended yet, I think there's still more water to flow under the spridge.
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Speaker 2: Look I look at the upside of the thirty percent they're not reoffending.
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Speaker 3: That's a that's a result for me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the seventy percent, look, we're going to kick We're going to see them again, aren't we. So you need to put them in a program that's even percent to sort them out again. But I like the old boot camp and I'm into it. I like, look of your reoffend two or three times, look table away. Put them in borstal work. Back in my day, even though I didn't go.
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Speaker 3: Did you sound like you got close to something?
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Speaker 2: I was threatened by my mother a few times, so that stopped me from offending, not reoffending offending. But I know I'm a big advocate of the boot camp and well done to those thirty percent.
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Speaker 3: Although I'm a big advocate of us finding a new word for it, because I do remember when the Children's Commissioner went and said, there's nothing in these camps that resembles a boot camp. But they were read ability at a program. But because you what you do in politics, you attach a damning label to something and then go to town. But in the end, we've got to we've got to try. What I mean, we check it.
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Speaker 4: Genuinely is a physical health and life skills program, which is a little bit of a mouthful, but you know, then we should call it something like that. But yeah, I mean, who knows.
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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, it's all about sparking that bit of interest in those people.
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Speaker 3: We're trying to introduce them to an alternative that's all them. That's another way is here's another way of living your life. Maybe some will gravitate towards that, and that's got to be a whim because that's three out it. That's thirty percent so far who are not going to spend the rest of their life mostly in prison.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully exactly like swinging a hammer into a nail. They go, well, I like this, this is great fun.
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Speaker 3: You know, boom it is. It's a vexed issue, and I think the thing I hate about it is it's just become such a it's sort of been drawn on party lines when maybe it'd be nice for things to be a bit more collaborative. But anyway, hey, now the Treasury report that's come out that says I didn't think this is particularly revelatory, was it, But anyway, it says labor overspent during COVID, and I think that the point was that they were told to buy treasury, not to overspend, and none of that advice was followed. Chris Hopkins says, sort of doubled down and he said it's his treasury spin anyway. So it depends which side of the coin you're on again politically, I guess. But Luke, what do you what do you make of this?
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Speaker 2: Well, we all know happened in the overspending, but the real question is at what real cost? I mean, there is a monetary cost there, but what cost to the economy that is bigger than this real cost?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: So?
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Speaker 2: And what hep cains see the whole thing was keep you people alive and keep you people to jobs. What a load of bollocks. You know, they should have my opinions, you know we all known't my opinion as they should have shut the COVID down quickly and just got the borders open up and rip into it. But what's the real cost is now is the leg that's the all cost?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's I guess the thing, and that the key thing is that it was the overspend. Like I've read a bit of the Treasury important it said, look, they needed to spend, they needed fiscal stimulus, and there was a time when they needed to stop, but they kept on, not not their words, of course, spraying the fires of cash against official advice, and Hipkins is calling it treasury spin. What do you what do you think?
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Speaker 4: I rang that was a slightly unfortunate phrase to use. I mean, you sure the government can ignore treasury advice and often does. I have a slightly different view than Luke because I'm, you know, just a really cautious person by nature. So I kind of quite liked the fact that we were all gott involved in because I think you do have to remembered that in New Zealand. You know, our health system, our hospitals things. Yeah, I'm not arguing about that what we did, and you know, we did need to keep people going and keep the economy going, keep people alive, all of that.
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Speaker 3: I think there.
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Speaker 4: I think most people do sort of think that, you know, the government probably didn't pull the reins in tight enough quickly enough with the spend. But then again I kind of cut them some slack for that because it was a once in a lifetime situation and really nobody knew what the heck we should be doing. And even now and I find this with everything and you know you're right and that it's you know, people's different political perspectives, you know, kind of color what they think. But when you try to actually get you know, have a view out of economists that is a consensus that you know, yes, this would have worked better, know this would have You don't really get it, do you? You just get a mishmash.
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Speaker 2: I think the.
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Speaker 3: Mistake Hipkins has made. There's two mistakes he's made. One is sort of like, I've got no regrets. We did what we did as and and basically shooting the messenger the treasury, I've got people, this is their job, and he's going I mean, I can name you someone in another part of the world who fired his head of statistics because he didn't like the numbers. Well, yes, and this is this is not too far away from saying, oh, it's just Treasury spin.
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Speaker 4: I think that was a bit of a misstep. I'm not quite sure why they don't just say, because if it was me, i'd just say, yeah, look, we maybe didn't pull in tight enough, but it was a once in a lifetime situation, and it's really hard to know. You know, with the benefit of hindsight, everybody knows everything.
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Speaker 3: I think you I think that's exactly it.
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Speaker 4: I wind that quite refreshing.
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Speaker 3: Because well, and the thing is, politically they don't do it because it removes the ability to have a crack at the government who still haven't managed to sort things out because of the fire hose that were spread. Imagine if Hipkins mentioned in both your reactions, Imagine if he said, look, I've read the Treasury report and I reflected on this, and yes, I think we went way too long with the money and we really I regret that now, but you know, at the time, we did what we thought was best, and we would We really were trying to do our best for the country. But I accept the findings of the report, and if I could do it again, I wouldn't have done it. You know what, I'd be going refreshing, what what a guy? I just wish they wouldn't get any well.
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Speaker 4: And it's kind of the same and reverse of I think National came in and created a really strong narrative of they messed it up, we're going to fix it. But now we've been in too long to keep saying that.
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Speaker 3: I think they've got a term. I think they've got three years.
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Speaker 4: Don't you think it's wear than even.
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Speaker 3: Irene Labor were still banging on about nine long years after they had been in for about five. They're like, oh, went allowed five.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of rubbish clean up.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of rubbish. We're still using that think you're allowed five. Just know what I'm saying is that's what Labor did. They used to say, we've had nine you had nine long years of John Ken. They're still saying it not long before the second elections, always the other ones. Oh no, we've got we've got more politics to get into because old Willow Jean Prime, who wouldn't meet the Erica Stanford for a meeting and ignored or ignoreder and then no, thanks, we'll come. We can talk about that in just a moment, and then we'll find some we need to find some happier things to talk about. Don't but anyway, it's we'll be back here with the Weekend Collective. This is the panel. It's twenty two minutes to four.
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Speaker 6: I saw, yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
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Speaker 3: This is our panel with Luke Vallo and Irene Gardner. Now did the sort of final political story will almost is a story. I don't think this has had played out too well for Willow Jane Prime, who wouldn't meet for the n CEA. The government had offered labor multiple opportunities, not labor specifically to be briefed on the n c A change progress, because we've seen the process, and initially there were some informal sort of approaches by Erica Stanford, followed by emails which were ignored, ignored, and then finally denied. I do think this is a big fail on Willow Jean's part to be honest because of all things, the most important, one of the most important things have we got right in this country? Is education? Eric A Stanford. I thinks, you know, doing a very good job and working hard. Hipkins has said we need to have cross party support with the question is I guess is if you were the boss, would you saka? I would look.
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Speaker 2: I'd definitely say. It just shows where labor is right now. You know, the head's affirmly buried in the sand. And when you talk about one of the most educational reforms and it's a big thing, right, it's massive. So and she was missing an action and put like Epkins said, I mean, put politics aside. We should be working together and step up to the table and focus what really metters. It's and it's our young. It's a use education and that's where the future is, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean the defense might be she was new to the portfolio. She says she wanted to talk to parents and I was thinking, hey on, you've got the chance to get in the room with the minister and help make the change here. Irene, what do you think?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's a firing offense because I think it was just a sort of a muddle of who she wanted to talk to first, and so on and so forth. But it was badly handled. And this is one Having sort of slightly disagreed with Chris Hipkins in the last topic we had, I think he's absolutely right on this one. They this has to be cross party, this has to be consensus. It was really good that Erica Stanford saw that reached across the aisle. And yeah, very very bad that Willow Jean Prime didn't pick up on it.
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Speaker 3: But do you think they get caught up too much in the Beltway party rivalries that they just can't bring themselves to be in the room and to be seen. I don't know.
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Speaker 4: This sort of feels of it like that, but I that's it sort of seems weird. But yeah, I don't know. I don't quite know what who was Well, I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 3: Here's my if I was campaigning, if I was doing a campaign billboard for the for the National Party for the next election, instead of having Luxe and versus Hipkins bit of a snooze fest, I'd simply go Stanford, Willow Jean, which who do you want to be Education Minister come the election? Because I think it's just about the most important portfolio next to health as well, and I mean they're talking about Erica possibly being a future prime minister as well.
00:31:13
Speaker 4: I could be controversial and say she might be on that billboard.
00:31:17
Speaker 2: Well, oh she's so good, she's so straight shooting.
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Speaker 3: I really do like listening to her. Well, I look, we had her on when she and just a couple of weeks ago, and at the end of the interview I just asked her, I said, by the way I like to it, you know, because we have a bit more time, and I said, he enjoyed the job. And she spoke sort of just off the cuff for you know, briefly, but she just spoke so passionately the phone lines in the text because she just said, this is the best job I have had and I will ever have, and I love every minute and the chance to make a difference to kids and all that. And it didn't feel like, you know, she just spoke and I thought, God, there's the next blooming prime minister. That's what I thought. But actually the line I ran was you should vote for the government based on who's running the top portfolio or two and that's it. Forget the rest.
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Speaker 2: And between those two ladies, Nicola was Eric Stanford Strong ladies.
00:32:11
Speaker 4: I like that ladies.
00:32:15
Speaker 3: Women women.
00:32:17
Speaker 4: We don't like the ladies words.
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna have to We'll be giving you, We'll give you a I was going to say spanking later on. That's a bit old school corporal punishment, isn't it. Luke Now, speaking of one of the changes, the signal that AI might be playing a part in marking exams, I think it is scary for people who don't understand it. And I wouldn't say I completely understand AI, but for empirical exam marking and physics, chemistry and all that sort of stuff, I don't know where they'd go with essays, But I think that AI is going to be an amazing tool. It's just a matter of getting people comfortable with it, because if you looked at the inconsistencies, you'd get between you know, teacher A, B C, D down to Z. I mean, what do you think I are remarking with AI?
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Speaker 4: Well, I was going to be cheeky and say, well, the essays are all written by AI now.
00:33:11
Speaker 5: So they might.
00:33:13
Speaker 3: Well, actually, no, that's actually the part of the thing is that if anything's going to spot an AI, it'll be AI. In fact, be like, hey, I write that, well, you.
00:33:23
Speaker 4: Know, I've got I've got I've got friends who teach your lecture or whatever. And apparently marking is just a nightmare at the moment because you just can't work. It's just it's just like word salad. A lot of what they're being presented with because of AI. Oh, such makes feelings about AI. I feel like it's going to kill us all. But on the other hand, I can I know that this areas we're you know, medical where it's great and it's it's going to save money. And look if it takes this labor intensive bit out of teaching. Yeah, okay, I suppose, but man, you want some regulation and some checks and balances, don't you.
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Speaker 3: I always think that every new technology does scare us. But I always think that if it's used in combination with keeping our humanity connected with whatever's happening and oversight and things, it's like, yes, but for instance, the idea of a of a of a robot doing really tricky surgery, but of course the AI will have had the benefit of tens of thousands of operations because it's learned and I know it's just what do you think about marking? Your homework there, Luke. I'm behind it absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: I've adopted AI writed my business in both industries and I'm right behind it. It's helped me give it's given me more time to work on things, and that's a big thing, right, and it's my efficiency is fantastic. And you know, I just.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: You can do the physics and stuff.
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Speaker 2: But if you look something like art history though you know you still it doesn't have that that feel for that, so you can't AI.
00:34:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, that, but.
00:34:52
Speaker 2: Definitely for those accountancy and law and so forth, you can do that.
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Speaker 3: I have. I used chat GPT to ask certain questions and I sometimes you can talk to it instead and and you choose a different voice and my one even though even ums and ours on the way through it goes. That's an interesting idea, Tim such and such on. I've discussed a political argument with it, and I said, well, hang on, but you've just said this, but my point of view is X, Y and Z. It was something on the Israel Garz question, which we're not going to leave alone.
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Speaker 2: But it was.
00:35:19
Speaker 3: Actually really it's quite funny. I played a little bit of through the mic has I was questioning it for some facts on something on the Overnight Show, and people are like, oh my goodness.
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Speaker 2: What's interesting because what that is doing is learning off your ums and ours yourself. Oh ye okay ah, that's.
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Speaker 3: A bit of a worry, isn't it. Hey, we're going to talk. We're going to come back and we've got a little bit more on AI to dig into and see which of these which my panelists fell for that New world Smeg shortage as well well this Meg promotion where there's a shortage. We'll be back in just a moment. This is the panel, Irene Gardener, Luke Della. I'm Tim Beveridge. It is eleven minutes to four. Just quickly, guys. On the AI thing, there's an artificial intelligence survey around because these days your doctor can use AI to listen to your listen to your examination of your patient and then it will write up your notes for you. But apparently it does make mistakes. And the other thing I heard is that does doctors tend to talk more about what they're doing and maybe say things that normally they wouldn't say if the patient was there. And so I mean AI, you know, we're still on the way, Luke, I guess, but once again. I use it, and I use for all my meetings and I AI and record my meetings. Good on you.
00:36:33
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:36:34
Speaker 3: Are you recording this? I know we're doing it. We're broadcasting it. There we go, no secrets. What about you? I n ah.
00:36:39
Speaker 4: Well, as I said before, I appreciate that. You know, there probably is a lot of use for AI in the medical world. But I still think ultimately is still going to kill us all.
00:36:47
Speaker 3: So my opinion hasn't changed. You need to go and watch the Matrix. That will cheer you up here. Hey, By the way, I've given up on those New World promotions that there's a Smeg shortage. There's a customary spent weeks collecting stickers for the Smeg Smeg promotion. The frustration it after being unable to get the items they wanted to they you know, they did the shopping, they did it all they wanted to get that. He wanted to get his hands on a cast iron Brasier, which is only available to club card holders anyway, and he isn't able to get it. Do you guys do the supermarket sort of promotions?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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Speaker 3: Apps.
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Speaker 2: I love those little stickers and I'm down the New Wheel down there. I've got my stickers, and I asked people for these stickers because they don't you know, they don't need them.
00:37:29
Speaker 3: Are you that guy? Do you come up to people?
00:37:31
Speaker 4: Oh?
00:37:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like gold to me, it's like digging for gold.
00:37:34
Speaker 3: It's like crypto. Have you actually got the goods you wanted?
00:37:37
Speaker 2: No? Because my new will burnt down?
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, So now I've got a that it's not attached to a particular new world.
00:37:44
Speaker 2: Is that the next new world is too far away from me to drive too many road texts?
00:37:48
Speaker 3: Oh here's you going to all that effort?
00:37:51
Speaker 4: I don't care because my my new will burnt down too. So we obviously have.
00:37:56
Speaker 3: The same neighbors or something much a bigger.
00:38:00
Speaker 4: Problem for the than the Smith. And yeah, I'm still quite sad about my Superman.
00:38:05
Speaker 3: That's actually that's dreadfully sad. And I feel bad now picking on your world for not having enough cast iron praises and things.
00:38:11
Speaker 4: But I feel worried about all the team that were staffed.
00:38:14
Speaker 2: They're great staff, weren't they down there?
00:38:16
Speaker 4: Yeah they are, and a lot some of them have been redeployed in some heavens and it's going to be ages let's rebuilt. So yeah, so I didn't care it so inconvenient for me.
00:38:24
Speaker 3: What ap plants were you after? By the way, the cast iron? Oh you have you haven't you got enough yet? Well, I've got to use the.
00:38:32
Speaker 2: One at worked now at the restaurant, So I bought one through the restaurant.
00:38:35
Speaker 3: Oh gsd orphor. I think I'm just because there's been negative publicity about it. And all I do is they say, would you like your stickers? And I'm like, oh no, I because no, my like I'd go to all that effort. You'd collect, collect, collect, collect, and then Goodye I'm looking forward to getting something I don't need than the.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Worst one in the countdown. When you get these little tokens of Disney, I mean, that's just rubbish. At least you can use this side still rubbih it's going to go in the rubbis when you're turned ten.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear you taking an ecologic ecological stance on the show.
00:39:14
Speaker 4: Hey.
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Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of college you we've got about a minute and a half. We didn't have this on the list, but I love the story about jd Vance going rafting and the Secret Service. Need to be with him on the river. So they've raised they've ordered that. Obviously it's a damned river, so they've ordered the river level to be raised so their boats can be on it as well. Imagine if he was a white water rafter just paddling along.
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Speaker 4: Waste of tax payers money.
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Speaker 3: Apparently they've done it for previous presents or vice presidents. I just love the power of that raise the river. But you know what it is. It such a gilded cage. Maybe for the rest of his life. If you've been a president a vice president, you've got secret service on you for everything you ever do.
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Speaker 2: When Trump was talking about Trump too much, but when he is in the golf you the snipers around the golf course there, Hey what about the nuclear plant on the moon?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that even those guys played a part in helping him recover or toss it a ball into a friendly place when he lost it. Yes, it's the burgers sheet in the world. Anyway, we're hoping to get through they are without talking about old Donald. But we got close, didn't we guys did. Anyway, Hey, lovely to see your Irene. And if you see someone looking out in the streets of Auckland, and very cute winter hat or wrapped up. It's chances are it's Iron Gardener. Anyway, Hey, lovely to see you guys. We'll be back with the one roof radio show Campbell to Noon's with us talking about what the market's doing. But so, how do you make yourself stand out for the crowd? How do you pick up the right agent? Be talking about that after this with the run roof radio show This News Talk ZEDB.
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Speaker 1: Your Weekend, Your Way, the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge, News Dog Zebby.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and in no particular order, my panelists. She's a producer and journalist, and it's Irene Gardner. Hello Irene, how are you doing well?
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Tim, Good afternoon.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I loved your winter look today. When you arrived in the studio, you were wrapped up like it was snowing. You were wrapped up like an Auckland when it's about fifteen.
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Speaker 4: Degrees it's quite cold out there. And on a sweet note, you know that little wooly hat I was wearing. That's one of the last things my mum Ne had been and she's no longer with.
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Speaker 3: Us, so it's a it's a very cute hat. You look like you looked like you were sort of off the pole. Yes, you look like you are sharing in the sort of northern Hemisphere Christmas and joining Irene with me is he's a real estate agent, he's a restaurant owner. I want to call him an impresario, which is a which is a fun word. It's Luke Dalo. Hello, look, how are you going on? Very well?
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Speaker 2: What's that word? Cunning?
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Speaker 3: Impresario. That's more of it, that's more than you actually. Speaking of showbiz, I I've had a couple of little things, just to quickly mention. I went to the production of Chicago last night, which is at the Bruce Mas. It's moving to christ Church next week and a good friend of mine, Ben McDonald's producing at This features a few people I know as well, and I've got to say it was absolutely outstanding. So if you're in christ Church and you're think you're buying tickets. It is. It's filling up very quickly. But I would highly recommend it. The band, the music, direction and everything. It really is. It was, it was, it was blooming fantastic. Igod, what's your favorite moment in the Actually it was one of my colleagues at a Parates Penzanceworth, Andy Granger, who plays the character of Amous, who was mister Cellophane. He's the guy that no one ever notices. And he played him like a middle a middle sort of just a working man. He didn't play him with any sense of overplaying, the sense of pathos, and god, he was bloody good. I mean, all the cast were fantastic. They had a wonderful ensemble in the and the two leads played Volmy and Rocks and Jackie. Of course, it's it's a sensational production. Any nudity. Actually, they are a couple there who got down to not very much. It's almost so much so after a while I was like, gosh, it might be time to put some on anyway. And the other thing I did want to just mention a shout out to I was MC at A for the gala concert featuring two schools. And I know there are a lot of fantastic schools, fantastic teachers and music, but for this occasion, it was the Bardine College and Saint Peter's garla event at the Holy Trinity Cathedral and Parnell and I actually it was you know, I found it quite moving, how amazing those kids were, the multitude of ensembles, the senior band, the brass band, the Saint Peter's Big band, Oh my goodness, and then the combined orchestra at the end. It was just so amazing to see these kids who'd stuck in so much hard work, supported by such wonderful teachers who have been mentoring them. And I had to remind the audience, by the way, this is just this is the sound from just two schools. And I don't know, I just it was a lovely moment of community to go and see that sort of thing. Great schools.
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Speaker 2: Those Catholic schools too, aren't they.
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Speaker 3: Yes they are. I'm a part I'm not Catholic, but my girls are at a Catholic school.
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Speaker 2: Peter's Boy, Peter's Boy.
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Speaker 3: It was never in the band though, No, were you head boy or something?
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Speaker 2: Or held Sudden's deputy head boy at the moment. Actually, yes, in the first five they came. They beat some kents yesterday, but he's deputy head boys and people.
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Speaker 3: Big shout out for Saint Peter's pet cancers.
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Speaker 2: Is that a bit of a grudge match kind of sort off because they pay for their players.
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Speaker 3: We don't Oh those were over, Oh Luke, you're a stairu mate. Anyway, anyway, let's get on with the panels, shall we. But by the way, if you're in the community and you hear about one of these concerts, you know what, go and pop along. It's probably generally the ticket price is about round twenty bucks or something. Go in and just see what it's community in your area is doing. Whether you're be in christ you shouldn't need in you know, Northland, whatever. Some of these events involved in the schools really are bliming amazing, so do it please. Anyway, let's start off with our first topic. Now, I'm really keen. I think I heard you, maybe I heard you on Hosking or someone Irene about this New Zealand on air funding reality. I actually can't remember what you said. So we can start afresh about how they're funding, well, they're funding Celebrity Treasure Island and the traitors and I went off for any opinion. So we've got you and your you know, you've what's your position in the screen.
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Speaker 4: I'm the president of the Producers Guild and.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, reality TV being funded by New Zealand on air, Irene, Well.
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Speaker 4: There's sort of two arms to this. One is reality TV tends to have a bad name because of the low end of reality TV, you know, the endless Real Housewives of Goodness, snows Where and you know sort of Love Island. But of course there's lots of quite quality shows that are technically reality shows. There's the Casketeers, for example, match Fit, the restaurant that makes mistakes down for Love, Diary of a Junior Doctor. There's lots. Okay, so Celebrity Treasure and Trader's New Zealand. Yep, they you more pure entertainment formats. But what has happened with local content is because of years of YouTube, Facebook, Google and the streamers operating here are unregulated. Our networks basically have very little commercial revenue now for spending on local content, so they can't really fully fund shows anymore. So unless INSI on Air changes its traditional mandate, which was to fund the shows that were sort of a little bit of out of what the commercial sphere would have funded. Unless they move a bit more in the commercial direction, we're not going to have any of these popular shows anymore, that you know, whether I like them or not, Traders and celebrity tread to writer. People love them, and they're the sort of shows that people sit around and watch together. But they're expensive to make, okay, And I I don't feel I am at all that they are shows that employ a lot of people. A lot of people watch them, and actually they do both have a lot of New Zealand humor and New Zealand culture in them. So I'm fine with it. It's going to be a reality of what Insed on Air has to fund to keep some music and Telly happening. That people actually, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 2: Who watches them? I mean, I don't watch How many times can you accident you fall in love? How many times can you find treasure on Treasure Island?
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Speaker 3: And socially less times?
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Speaker 4: And there's tons of fun along the way, and people love it. It's not my cup of tea, but you love it.
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Speaker 3: I'm just bored with it.
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Speaker 2: So I rather, you know, the money goes into educational history programs and give them money to young directors and producers to bring new stuff onto onto you. I disliked the repetition of these reality TV sort of show that Groundhog Day.
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Speaker 4: There's a lot more work. This is a lot more work for an industry that's on its knees, these big shows. So you don't think about that.
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Speaker 3: I do, but I sort of. I just I know various people who want to get things made and tell New Zealand stories and documentary makers who are strugging to get funding as well.
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Speaker 4: Though if you look at the funding list, you're picking on two shows out of a broad list that had lots of docos, Country Cow all kinds of quality stuff as well, depending on your definition of quality.
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Speaker 3: I guess it doesn't feel p organic to me, and it feels very formulaic. And that's the thing.
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Speaker 4: It's not okay, it's like he shows out of twenty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, here you go, here's my mate who's produced Chicago. He brings it in, he doesn't get any government funding, and he uses a New Zealand cast and he puts bums on seats and he finds the money for it, as opposed to this crap, which I'm sorry, it's formula like garbage, and who cares you're getting it?
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Speaker 4: Well, the people who love watching it here and they're getting it for free, and then we can't find it with adread anymore, so.
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Speaker 3: They gang luck. It can't stand up. I mean, ultimately, something has to do.
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Speaker 4: So what you'd be happy to have? Absolutely no New Zealand television content.
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Speaker 5: No, no.
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Speaker 3: Cind its way to something else.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way. Sorry, guys.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just sort of think if that's if that's the resort we have to go.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I just thought, what's your problem with that? Because I don't think they reflection in New Zealand culture, whether science says and c and everything the strip.
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Speaker 4: I know that's not true. I don't think you've watched them.
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Speaker 2: If you say that, I have, and I'd rather watch commercials between then the shows.
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Speaker 4: Oh that's your opinion, but well that's what we're here for.
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Speaker 3: People like that. When somebody says that's your opinion, that's sort of like, well that's fair enough, that's not an argument. But I think it's just we're going to agree to different aren't. I mean, what would you what would you like to see New Zealand television look like? I guess is this the stuff?
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Speaker 4: I'd like it to be able to keep looking like what it looks like without there being no local content at all, which is the point that we're at. So you know, if if and I mean, I have no particular issue with these two shows, but I think you also have to remember that's two shows in a big, long list of show.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot of money though, right, Okay, what could you pick out of that list where you go, well, look.
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Speaker 3: There's country Calendar, love that show, Bingo, absolutely and lots of it.
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Speaker 4: And there's docos. I mean, I haven't got this in front of me, but there's docos, factual series, all.
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Speaker 3: Kinds of How much money do they spend each each funding round for in on it?
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Speaker 4: I can't remember what that one was. There was quite a high round, I think.
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Speaker 3: Okay, what about that Missing Person one? Is that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's David Lomessa's show that's funded by seven days?
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Speaker 3: Tell you what? We need to come up with an idea, Luke and I.
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Speaker 4: Think we need a let's three seven days do you think that's New Zealand culture, because that's in there getting funding for many years. And you know there's just as much New Zealand humor in Celebrity Treasure Island as there is in Seven Days.
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Speaker 3: So there's lots lots of key humor on this show. And we don't receive send the government money, so there.
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Speaker 2: We got no money's governing anyway.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Look, we put this out there because it enables people to review their opinions. And you've got Irene and people might be like, I agree with Irene, or we've got Luke or Tim and you know who you agree with. And that's what we're here to thresh these things out to help inform people. So Irene, I thank you for your thorough explanation and passion for people.
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Speaker 4: Want to read more about it. There's a great piece on the spin off by Tara Award.
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Speaker 3: I will go and have a look at that Tara Award. Okay, not because my producer's name is Tyra Ward. You mean moonlighting? Have you tid that? Okay, she was Tyra Roberts. But she's she's married or she likes to remind me every time I call her by the wrong name. It's Ward. Now. Now, now this is going to be interesting as to how we whether we can guess each other's opinions on this. So the new road user charges, the announcement's been made by Chris Bishop that basically the fuel excise tax is gone. So that's seventy eighty cents. Elter sort of thing is going to be gone because there's GST added to it. So let's say it's about eighty cents. It's going to take off every and it's to make it an easier distribution and a fairer distribution. So everyone's paying their way. To drivers of all light vehicles, whether they be petrol, hybrid, diesel electric, they are now going to pay for road user chargers separately, whether it be by some transponder. I think they'll still have the paper method if you want to as a as a as a as a principle, it sounds right. But do we like it?
00:14:04
Speaker 2: Luke Praise the Lord. I think it's a fantastic idea. It just levels out the playing field. And I'm right behind them doing it, and I've spoken to a couple of hybrid people at next by Z's you know, done with that.
00:14:18
Speaker 3: But don't. Thank goodness, this is happening.
00:14:20
Speaker 2: The upside of it is for boaties.
00:14:24
Speaker 3: Yes, about three hundred million dollars. The boaties don't need to pay.
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Speaker 2: Brilliant. I'm a boaty and I think that's a great upside, So thank you very much.
00:14:33
Speaker 3: Okay, Irene, what do you reckon? You don't drive, do you?
00:14:36
Speaker 6: So?
00:14:36
Speaker 4: You don't have slaar and I don't drive, So I don't really have a dog in this fight.
00:14:40
Speaker 3: No, you don't. You had a dog in the last fight. It was nipping me around the ankles.
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Speaker 4: A lot of opinions and now no opinion. Generally speaking, I do sort of think with cars and things though, that user pays sort of a fair way to go. Do we have an opinion though, as some people have had about the civil liberty's aspect of that we're being tracked everywhere?
00:14:59
Speaker 3: Well here's I started five hours of tork back on this on overnights, and I started with the view that as a principle I agree with it, and then I was honest. I thought, oh god, it's another bill. I have to pat something, I've got arrange to pay. And actually my mind changed during the course of the five hours and I would say ninety nine percent of the callers did it for me as well as and here's my view, it's going to be a dog It's going to be an absolute Peaks breakfast.
00:15:28
Speaker 4: It was a lovely next metter.
00:15:29
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's going to be a dog's breakfast because not because it's not a good idea, but we have three hundred and sixty thousand households who struggle to pay for their groceries. We've got sixty percent of the applications to Tendancy Tribunal for unpaid rent. We've got seven billion owing to the IID. We have a nation of people who cannot keep track of their deck debt. So every time you fill up at the pump, you pay, you don't pay, you don't get the petrol. Whereas this is going to be a substantial charge over the course of a year to people, maybe fifteen hundred bucks, where people are going to have to take responsible the responsibility for paying it. And with the we don't have the police to enforce it, we're going to get people who don't pay it, they end up in debted. They're gonna fine, there'll be penalties, they're gonna be tens of thousands of people who don't meet their expectations of this legislation and where and so there's simply a new inequity, whereas currently the evs and the hybrids, the people who own those generally they've got a bit of extra money and they can pay for it. I think the implementation of this is going to be a complete dog And I had truckies calling in on this, people saying, you've got and that's the problem. If we should pay our debts, we should do what's what's supposed we're supposed to do. But everyone who wants to get around how many people are going to fail to tick the box they're supposed to fail, And how are we going to put I take that on board. Actually it's a tough one. A So I found myself in my opinion going, oh, I don't want to pay another bill. And then but I just think of all the people who are struggling, and if there's oh, look, i'll pay it next week, and all of a sudden they haven't paid it, and all of a sudden, it's like, actually, how much do you owe thirty bucks that week? Now you know, all of a sudden you are five hundred bucks you haven't paid it, what does the government do. There's going to be this massive non compliance, which won't be because of negligence or anything. It's going to be the whole basket of the people who struggle with debt.
00:17:20
Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of cars clemped on the side of the road, isn't there.
00:17:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean we've had police or already, so how is it going to be policed? And so I'm I prefer the status quo and just find a fair way of doing the hybrids and the evs.
00:17:34
Speaker 2: Or maybe at will do like checkpoints like we do checkpoints now breath.
00:17:38
Speaker 3: I think if you taser the odd person who doesn't pay that much, and I don't like because on principle Bishop's right, but I just think that.
00:17:46
Speaker 4: Implementation it's pretty tough out there. You could have an exemption if you're under a certain income.
00:17:52
Speaker 3: And there we have it and Luke's changed far. That's the thing. There's no exemptions when you fill up for petrol. So it's it doesn't work.
00:18:04
Speaker 4: It doesn't work.
00:18:05
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll tell you what after that.
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Speaker 4: Wonderful it was a dogsy joy.
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Speaker 3: Or that pigs it's a pig and a do and dogs breakfast. I think you put them together. There was a bit of a malapropism there. Anyway, By the way, don't forget you can. You can text your feedback anytime and say how much you love us.
00:18:26
Speaker 5: Two.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go just dress the wound I've got from from getting savage by by Irene around the ankles there, and we'll be back in just a moment.
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Speaker 5: It's twenty five past three.
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Speaker 3: And so welcome back to the Weekend Collective and Beverage. Luke Dalla and Irene Gardner on my panelists. And now the boot camp pilot has ended in seven of those who participated in the government's militaries. Well, there's probably a misdescription of it military style boot camp, which is probably one of the problems. But they had a seventy percent of the people who attended it reoffended in some way, which means thirty percent I didn't. I guess didn't. But today marks the end of the twelve month pilot and it involved a group of young men who would be introduced to regular routine physical education drills and a three month residency phase followed by nine month community phase with intensive support. What do we make of it all. I'll start with you airing.
00:19:45
Speaker 4: I talked about boot camp on here before. I'm not a great supporter of boot camps. I think you're a bit more supportive. And that is sort of slightly the wrong terminology because this was meant to be a kind of a modern version.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Children's Commissioner said said it didn't look at the boot camp word is misnomer. It's a rehabilitative sort of program.
00:20:05
Speaker 4: And if that is the case, that's fine. And I don't know that it's entirely fair to judge it on the fact that some of the people you know, didn't do well, ended up back in custody, whatever, because what we don't really know is for the people the other kids, did it help them. I mean, when you look on the face of this, you sort of think, oh, that might be the end of it, that pilot, because it doesn't sound it's gone that well. But i'd be to know was it different enough. I mean, most researches that the traditional boot camps don't really work. If this was something different and it did work for some of the young people, then you know, open mind.
00:20:44
Speaker 3: I think from what I understand is that the ones who of the ones who did reoffend, it was a lower level of offending. They were still in trouble. But on my view, just quickly before I go to Luke, is that these are kids who were one hundred percent reoffending all the time they were. I don't know, I'm trying to find that the good way of saying it. But they were a big problem and they there wasn't much hope for them. So here's a chance, and thirty percent of them haven't reoffended yet, I think there's still more water to flow under the spridge.
00:21:11
Speaker 2: Look I look at the upside of the thirty percent they're not reoffending.
00:21:15
Speaker 3: That's a that's a result for me.
00:21:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, the seventy percent, look, we're going to kick We're going to see them again, aren't we. So you need to put them in a program that's even percent to sort them out again. But I like the old boot camp and I'm into it. I like, look of your reoffend two or three times, look table away. Put them in borstal work. Back in my day, even though I didn't go.
00:21:39
Speaker 3: Did you sound like you got close to something?
00:21:43
Speaker 2: I was threatened by my mother a few times, so that stopped me from offending, not reoffending offending. But I know I'm a big advocate of the boot camp and well done to those thirty percent.
00:21:53
Speaker 3: Although I'm a big advocate of us finding a new word for it, because I do remember when the Children's Commissioner went and said, there's nothing in these camps that resembles a boot camp. But they were read ability at a program. But because you what you do in politics, you attach a damning label to something and then go to town. But in the end, we've got to we've got to try. What I mean, we check it.
00:22:13
Speaker 4: Genuinely is a physical health and life skills program, which is a little bit of a mouthful, but you know, then we should call it something like that. But yeah, I mean, who knows.
00:22:24
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, it's all about sparking that bit of interest in those people.
00:22:29
Speaker 3: We're trying to introduce them to an alternative that's all them. That's another way is here's another way of living your life. Maybe some will gravitate towards that, and that's got to be a whim because that's three out it. That's thirty percent so far who are not going to spend the rest of their life mostly in prison.
00:22:45
Speaker 2: Hopefully exactly like swinging a hammer into a nail. They go, well, I like this, this is great fun.
00:22:50
Speaker 3: You know, boom it is. It's a vexed issue, and I think the thing I hate about it is it's just become such a it's sort of been drawn on party lines when maybe it'd be nice for things to be a bit more collaborative. But anyway, hey, now the Treasury report that's come out that says I didn't think this is particularly revelatory, was it, But anyway, it says labor overspent during COVID, and I think that the point was that they were told to buy treasury, not to overspend, and none of that advice was followed. Chris Hopkins says, sort of doubled down and he said it's his treasury spin anyway. So it depends which side of the coin you're on again politically, I guess. But Luke, what do you what do you make of this?
00:23:34
Speaker 2: Well, we all know happened in the overspending, but the real question is at what real cost? I mean, there is a monetary cost there, but what cost to the economy that is bigger than this real cost?
00:23:45
Speaker 3: Right?
00:23:46
Speaker 1: So?
00:23:46
Speaker 2: And what hep cains see the whole thing was keep you people alive and keep you people to jobs. What a load of bollocks. You know, they should have my opinions, you know we all known't my opinion as they should have shut the COVID down quickly and just got the borders open up and rip into it. But what's the real cost is now is the leg that's the all cost?
00:24:05
Speaker 3: Well, that's I guess the thing, and that the key thing is that it was the overspend. Like I've read a bit of the Treasury important it said, look, they needed to spend, they needed fiscal stimulus, and there was a time when they needed to stop, but they kept on, not not their words, of course, spraying the fires of cash against official advice, and Hipkins is calling it treasury spin. What do you what do you think?
00:24:26
Speaker 4: I rang that was a slightly unfortunate phrase to use. I mean, you sure the government can ignore treasury advice and often does. I have a slightly different view than Luke because I'm, you know, just a really cautious person by nature. So I kind of quite liked the fact that we were all gott involved in because I think you do have to remembered that in New Zealand. You know, our health system, our hospitals things. Yeah, I'm not arguing about that what we did, and you know, we did need to keep people going and keep the economy going, keep people alive, all of that.
00:24:56
Speaker 3: I think there.
00:24:57
Speaker 4: I think most people do sort of think that, you know, the government probably didn't pull the reins in tight enough quickly enough with the spend. But then again I kind of cut them some slack for that because it was a once in a lifetime situation and really nobody knew what the heck we should be doing. And even now and I find this with everything and you know you're right and that it's you know, people's different political perspectives, you know, kind of color what they think. But when you try to actually get you know, have a view out of economists that is a consensus that you know, yes, this would have worked better, know this would have You don't really get it, do you? You just get a mishmash.
00:25:36
Speaker 2: I think the.
00:25:36
Speaker 3: Mistake Hipkins has made. There's two mistakes he's made. One is sort of like, I've got no regrets. We did what we did as and and basically shooting the messenger the treasury, I've got people, this is their job, and he's going I mean, I can name you someone in another part of the world who fired his head of statistics because he didn't like the numbers. Well, yes, and this is this is not too far away from saying, oh, it's just Treasury spin.
00:25:58
Speaker 4: I think that was a bit of a misstep. I'm not quite sure why they don't just say, because if it was me, i'd just say, yeah, look, we maybe didn't pull in tight enough, but it was a once in a lifetime situation, and it's really hard to know. You know, with the benefit of hindsight, everybody knows everything.
00:26:19
Speaker 3: I think you I think that's exactly it.
00:26:21
Speaker 4: I wind that quite refreshing.
00:26:23
Speaker 3: Because well, and the thing is, politically they don't do it because it removes the ability to have a crack at the government who still haven't managed to sort things out because of the fire hose that were spread. Imagine if Hipkins mentioned in both your reactions, Imagine if he said, look, I've read the Treasury report and I reflected on this, and yes, I think we went way too long with the money and we really I regret that now, but you know, at the time, we did what we thought was best, and we would We really were trying to do our best for the country. But I accept the findings of the report, and if I could do it again, I wouldn't have done it. You know what, I'd be going refreshing, what what a guy? I just wish they wouldn't get any well.
00:27:02
Speaker 4: And it's kind of the same and reverse of I think National came in and created a really strong narrative of they messed it up, we're going to fix it. But now we've been in too long to keep saying that.
00:27:14
Speaker 3: I think they've got a term. I think they've got three years.
00:27:17
Speaker 4: Don't you think it's wear than even.
00:27:19
Speaker 3: Irene Labor were still banging on about nine long years after they had been in for about five. They're like, oh, went allowed five.
00:27:27
Speaker 2: There's a lot of rubbish clean up.
00:27:28
Speaker 3: There's a lot of rubbish. We're still using that think you're allowed five. Just know what I'm saying is that's what Labor did. They used to say, we've had nine you had nine long years of John Ken. They're still saying it not long before the second elections, always the other ones. Oh no, we've got we've got more politics to get into because old Willow Jean Prime, who wouldn't meet the Erica Stanford for a meeting and ignored or ignoreder and then no, thanks, we'll come. We can talk about that in just a moment, and then we'll find some we need to find some happier things to talk about. Don't but anyway, it's we'll be back here with the Weekend Collective. This is the panel. It's twenty two minutes to four.
00:28:07
Speaker 6: I saw, yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
00:28:28
Speaker 3: This is our panel with Luke Vallo and Irene Gardner. Now did the sort of final political story will almost is a story. I don't think this has had played out too well for Willow Jane Prime, who wouldn't meet for the n CEA. The government had offered labor multiple opportunities, not labor specifically to be briefed on the n c A change progress, because we've seen the process, and initially there were some informal sort of approaches by Erica Stanford, followed by emails which were ignored, ignored, and then finally denied. I do think this is a big fail on Willow Jean's part to be honest because of all things, the most important, one of the most important things have we got right in this country? Is education? Eric A Stanford. I thinks, you know, doing a very good job and working hard. Hipkins has said we need to have cross party support with the question is I guess is if you were the boss, would you saka? I would look.
00:29:22
Speaker 2: I'd definitely say. It just shows where labor is right now. You know, the head's affirmly buried in the sand. And when you talk about one of the most educational reforms and it's a big thing, right, it's massive. So and she was missing an action and put like Epkins said, I mean, put politics aside. We should be working together and step up to the table and focus what really metters. It's and it's our young. It's a use education and that's where the future is, right, Yeah.
00:29:49
Speaker 3: I mean the defense might be she was new to the portfolio. She says she wanted to talk to parents and I was thinking, hey on, you've got the chance to get in the room with the minister and help make the change here. Irene, what do you think?
00:29:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's a firing offense because I think it was just a sort of a muddle of who she wanted to talk to first, and so on and so forth. But it was badly handled. And this is one Having sort of slightly disagreed with Chris Hipkins in the last topic we had, I think he's absolutely right on this one. They this has to be cross party, this has to be consensus. It was really good that Erica Stanford saw that reached across the aisle. And yeah, very very bad that Willow Jean Prime didn't pick up on it.
00:30:30
Speaker 3: But do you think they get caught up too much in the Beltway party rivalries that they just can't bring themselves to be in the room and to be seen. I don't know.
00:30:39
Speaker 4: This sort of feels of it like that, but I that's it sort of seems weird. But yeah, I don't know. I don't quite know what who was Well, I'll tell you what.
00:30:46
Speaker 3: Here's my if I was campaigning, if I was doing a campaign billboard for the for the National Party for the next election, instead of having Luxe and versus Hipkins bit of a snooze fest, I'd simply go Stanford, Willow Jean, which who do you want to be Education Minister come the election? Because I think it's just about the most important portfolio next to health as well, and I mean they're talking about Erica possibly being a future prime minister as well.
00:31:13
Speaker 4: I could be controversial and say she might be on that billboard.
00:31:17
Speaker 2: Well, oh she's so good, she's so straight shooting.
00:31:22
Speaker 3: I really do like listening to her. Well, I look, we had her on when she and just a couple of weeks ago, and at the end of the interview I just asked her, I said, by the way I like to it, you know, because we have a bit more time, and I said, he enjoyed the job. And she spoke sort of just off the cuff for you know, briefly, but she just spoke so passionately the phone lines in the text because she just said, this is the best job I have had and I will ever have, and I love every minute and the chance to make a difference to kids and all that. And it didn't feel like, you know, she just spoke and I thought, God, there's the next blooming prime minister. That's what I thought. But actually the line I ran was you should vote for the government based on who's running the top portfolio or two and that's it. Forget the rest.
00:32:07
Speaker 2: And between those two ladies, Nicola was Eric Stanford Strong ladies.
00:32:11
Speaker 4: I like that ladies.
00:32:15
Speaker 3: Women women.
00:32:17
Speaker 4: We don't like the ladies words.
00:32:22
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna have to We'll be giving you, We'll give you a I was going to say spanking later on. That's a bit old school corporal punishment, isn't it. Luke Now, speaking of one of the changes, the signal that AI might be playing a part in marking exams, I think it is scary for people who don't understand it. And I wouldn't say I completely understand AI, but for empirical exam marking and physics, chemistry and all that sort of stuff, I don't know where they'd go with essays, But I think that AI is going to be an amazing tool. It's just a matter of getting people comfortable with it, because if you looked at the inconsistencies, you'd get between you know, teacher A, B C, D down to Z. I mean, what do you think I are remarking with AI?
00:33:07
Speaker 4: Well, I was going to be cheeky and say, well, the essays are all written by AI now.
00:33:11
Speaker 5: So they might.
00:33:13
Speaker 3: Well, actually, no, that's actually the part of the thing is that if anything's going to spot an AI, it'll be AI. In fact, be like, hey, I write that, well, you.
00:33:23
Speaker 4: Know, I've got I've got I've got friends who teach your lecture or whatever. And apparently marking is just a nightmare at the moment because you just can't work. It's just it's just like word salad. A lot of what they're being presented with because of AI. Oh, such makes feelings about AI. I feel like it's going to kill us all. But on the other hand, I can I know that this areas we're you know, medical where it's great and it's it's going to save money. And look if it takes this labor intensive bit out of teaching. Yeah, okay, I suppose, but man, you want some regulation and some checks and balances, don't you.
00:33:55
Speaker 3: I always think that every new technology does scare us. But I always think that if it's used in combination with keeping our humanity connected with whatever's happening and oversight and things, it's like, yes, but for instance, the idea of a of a of a robot doing really tricky surgery, but of course the AI will have had the benefit of tens of thousands of operations because it's learned and I know it's just what do you think about marking? Your homework there, Luke. I'm behind it absolutely right.
00:34:25
Speaker 2: I've adopted AI writed my business in both industries and I'm right behind it. It's helped me give it's given me more time to work on things, and that's a big thing, right, and it's my efficiency is fantastic. And you know, I just.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: You can do the physics and stuff.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: But if you look something like art history though you know you still it doesn't have that that feel for that, so you can't AI.
00:34:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, that, but.
00:34:52
Speaker 2: Definitely for those accountancy and law and so forth, you can do that.
00:34:56
Speaker 3: I have. I used chat GPT to ask certain questions and I sometimes you can talk to it instead and and you choose a different voice and my one even though even ums and ours on the way through it goes. That's an interesting idea, Tim such and such on. I've discussed a political argument with it, and I said, well, hang on, but you've just said this, but my point of view is X, Y and Z. It was something on the Israel Garz question, which we're not going to leave alone.
00:35:18
Speaker 2: But it was.
00:35:19
Speaker 3: Actually really it's quite funny. I played a little bit of through the mic has I was questioning it for some facts on something on the Overnight Show, and people are like, oh my goodness.
00:35:28
Speaker 2: What's interesting because what that is doing is learning off your ums and ours yourself. Oh ye okay ah, that's.
00:35:35
Speaker 3: A bit of a worry, isn't it. Hey, we're going to talk. We're going to come back and we've got a little bit more on AI to dig into and see which of these which my panelists fell for that New world Smeg shortage as well well this Meg promotion where there's a shortage. We'll be back in just a moment. This is the panel, Irene Gardener, Luke Della. I'm Tim Beveridge. It is eleven minutes to four. Just quickly, guys. On the AI thing, there's an artificial intelligence survey around because these days your doctor can use AI to listen to your listen to your examination of your patient and then it will write up your notes for you. But apparently it does make mistakes. And the other thing I heard is that does doctors tend to talk more about what they're doing and maybe say things that normally they wouldn't say if the patient was there. And so I mean AI, you know, we're still on the way, Luke, I guess, but once again. I use it, and I use for all my meetings and I AI and record my meetings. Good on you.
00:36:33
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:36:34
Speaker 3: Are you recording this? I know we're doing it. We're broadcasting it. There we go, no secrets. What about you? I n ah.
00:36:39
Speaker 4: Well, as I said before, I appreciate that. You know, there probably is a lot of use for AI in the medical world. But I still think ultimately is still going to kill us all.
00:36:47
Speaker 3: So my opinion hasn't changed. You need to go and watch the Matrix. That will cheer you up here. Hey, By the way, I've given up on those New World promotions that there's a Smeg shortage. There's a customary spent weeks collecting stickers for the Smeg Smeg promotion. The frustration it after being unable to get the items they wanted to they you know, they did the shopping, they did it all they wanted to get that. He wanted to get his hands on a cast iron Brasier, which is only available to club card holders anyway, and he isn't able to get it. Do you guys do the supermarket sort of promotions?
00:37:20
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
00:37:21
Speaker 3: Apps.
00:37:22
Speaker 2: I love those little stickers and I'm down the New Wheel down there. I've got my stickers, and I asked people for these stickers because they don't you know, they don't need them.
00:37:29
Speaker 3: Are you that guy? Do you come up to people?
00:37:31
Speaker 4: Oh?
00:37:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like gold to me, it's like digging for gold.
00:37:34
Speaker 3: It's like crypto. Have you actually got the goods you wanted?
00:37:37
Speaker 2: No? Because my new will burnt down?
00:37:39
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So now I've got a that it's not attached to a particular new world.
00:37:44
Speaker 2: Is that the next new world is too far away from me to drive too many road texts?
00:37:48
Speaker 3: Oh here's you going to all that effort?
00:37:51
Speaker 4: I don't care because my my new will burnt down too. So we obviously have.
00:37:56
Speaker 3: The same neighbors or something much a bigger.
00:38:00
Speaker 4: Problem for the than the Smith. And yeah, I'm still quite sad about my Superman.
00:38:05
Speaker 3: That's actually that's dreadfully sad. And I feel bad now picking on your world for not having enough cast iron praises and things.
00:38:11
Speaker 4: But I feel worried about all the team that were staffed.
00:38:14
Speaker 2: They're great staff, weren't they down there?
00:38:16
Speaker 4: Yeah they are, and a lot some of them have been redeployed in some heavens and it's going to be ages let's rebuilt. So yeah, so I didn't care it so inconvenient for me.
00:38:24
Speaker 3: What ap plants were you after? By the way, the cast iron? Oh you have you haven't you got enough yet? Well, I've got to use the.
00:38:32
Speaker 2: One at worked now at the restaurant, So I bought one through the restaurant.
00:38:35
Speaker 3: Oh gsd orphor. I think I'm just because there's been negative publicity about it. And all I do is they say, would you like your stickers? And I'm like, oh no, I because no, my like I'd go to all that effort. You'd collect, collect, collect, collect, and then Goodye I'm looking forward to getting something I don't need than the.
00:38:59
Speaker 2: Worst one in the countdown. When you get these little tokens of Disney, I mean, that's just rubbish. At least you can use this side still rubbih it's going to go in the rubbis when you're turned ten.
00:39:10
Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear you taking an ecologic ecological stance on the show.
00:39:14
Speaker 4: Hey.
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Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of college you we've got about a minute and a half. We didn't have this on the list, but I love the story about jd Vance going rafting and the Secret Service. Need to be with him on the river. So they've raised they've ordered that. Obviously it's a damned river, so they've ordered the river level to be raised so their boats can be on it as well. Imagine if he was a white water rafter just paddling along.
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Speaker 4: Waste of tax payers money.
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Speaker 3: Apparently they've done it for previous presents or vice presidents. I just love the power of that raise the river. But you know what it is. It such a gilded cage. Maybe for the rest of his life. If you've been a president a vice president, you've got secret service on you for everything you ever do.
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Speaker 2: When Trump was talking about Trump too much, but when he is in the golf you the snipers around the golf course there, Hey what about the nuclear plant on the moon?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that even those guys played a part in helping him recover or toss it a ball into a friendly place when he lost it. Yes, it's the burgers sheet in the world. Anyway, we're hoping to get through they are without talking about old Donald. But we got close, didn't we guys did. Anyway, Hey, lovely to see your Irene. And if you see someone looking out in the streets of Auckland, and very cute winter hat or wrapped up. It's chances are it's Iron Gardener. Anyway, Hey, lovely to see you guys. We'll be back with the one roof radio show Campbell to Noon's with us talking about what the market's doing. But so, how do you make yourself stand out for the crowd? How do you pick up the right agent? Be talking about that after this with the run roof radio show This News Talk ZEDB.
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