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00:00:05.519So excited to welcome Karina Anderson back to the show.
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00:00:13.839Karina was most recently eighth at the Ueda Sky Race in Japan and also got a fourth place finish at the Penang Sky Race.
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00:00:23.920She has been on an absolute heater, and uh can't wait to see what she's gonna do with the rest of her season as uh she seems to be really good at this whole sky racing thing.
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00:00:27.199Um very excited to see what her future holds on the sport.
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00:00:28.559So I hope you guys enjoyed this one.
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00:00:30.239We talked about a whole lot of stuff.
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00:00:38.880She was kind enough to join me uh from one of her European adventures where she was doing some uh I think it was bass jumping she was learning how to do.
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00:00:44.240Um just an absolute adrenaline junkie and an extremely talented athlete in our sport.
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00:00:47.759Without further ado, Karina Anderson.
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00:01:47.840Karina Anderson, welcome to the Steep Stuff Podcast.
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00:01:48.560How's it going?
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00:01:49.680Good, how are you?
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00:02:04.159It's been a minute, and uh it's been so fun kind of following your your adventures over the last few months, uh, you know, from from Malaysia to Japan, and now you know you're in Europe and lots of fun stuff to talk about.
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00:02:05.680So how how are you doing?
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00:02:07.760Um, I'm doing pretty good.
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00:02:16.319Um it's definitely been I think last time we talked, I was still running for mine, so it's definitely been quite a change since then.
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00:02:20.639So um I think good for sure, figuring things out, you know.
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00:02:22.240Catch me up.
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00:02:32.159What have you so since since you uh you know you're you're kind of on this new journey adventure now over the last like six months to a year, I think it's been about a year since we've chatted.
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00:02:35.199Um yeah, catch me up on on what you've been up to.
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00:02:44.000Yeah, um, so I finished out my track season at mines last year, and then I just dropped out of school.
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00:02:47.039Um, I didn't finish my bachelor's degree.
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00:02:54.000Um I am starting back actually this summer, um, just to finish that up there.
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00:02:55.919Um, but yeah, I just needed some time away.
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00:03:03.120I oh, I I went to Denali um last May, June.
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00:03:04.719I like forgot about that.
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00:03:11.439Um that was definitely an adventure and it kind of knocked me out the rest of the summer running-wise.
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00:03:14.800Um, but I did a few races last summer.
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00:03:17.919Um nothing that went terribly well.
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00:03:21.120I lived in Chamony for almost three months.
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00:03:22.960Um so cool.
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00:03:30.240Yeah, I kind of wanted to experience living in France to kind of test that out because I might do that in the future permanently.
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00:03:37.520Um so yeah, I did that for three months, um, met a lot of cool people, had a lot of fun experiences, wasn't racing well though.
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00:03:41.280Um I just had a lot going on, figuring things out.
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00:03:51.439And then came back to Colorado, um, kind of impulse, decided to move up to Summit County um and lived in Breckenridge the whole winter.
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00:03:56.560Um, I was a ski instructor and uh ski tech up in Breckenridge.
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00:04:00.479Um, and I'll be ski patrolling at Keystone next winter.
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00:04:06.560Um yeah, I did ski mo all winter.
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00:04:12.319Um I just pretty much stopped running in November and switched entirely to scheme.
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00:04:16.959Not even running to like maintain running fitness.
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00:04:19.199It was like every time I was out, I was on my skis.
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00:04:23.920Um and yeah, I did not run a step for over three months, which was crazy.
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00:04:26.879Um did scheme, had some fun with it.
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00:04:31.279Um yeah, I have a big year planned now.
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00:04:38.079Um I'm yeah, still living up in Summit County when I get back, I think.
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00:04:42.480Um and then yeah, see where I go from there.
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00:04:44.480Um a lot of races on the schedule this year.
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00:04:56.560I think I like originally had like 20 um all kinds of like hard races too, not like Shorel, but like all like sky races like on my schedule.
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00:05:03.439I don't think they're all gonna happen, but like as I get tired, I think I'll cut some things out at the end of the season.
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00:05:09.920Um, but yeah, I'm like a lot more stoked to be running again and feeling a lot better and racing mentally.
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00:05:17.199So I'm really happy about that um and excited to see where it goes this season, especially after the break from running, too.
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00:05:23.920I think coming back is like kind of helping me break through a like plateau I had for a really long time.
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00:05:26.079So yeah, sometimes athletes need that.
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00:05:27.920The time away can be really beneficial.
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00:05:36.240And schemo, I mean, you develop you just you build an enormous base anyway, or continue to build on the enormous base that you already have, and you get super strong from it.
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00:05:42.480Yeah, I feel like my uphill fitness is really great.
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00:05:45.680Um, it's just uh the downhill specific aspect.
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00:05:47.920Coming back to that is definitely a challenge.
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00:05:54.800Um, something I'm still working, working with right now, running wise, just that and efficiency on the downhills.
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00:05:57.120You kind of lose that when you're not running downhill.
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00:05:59.920Yeah, I mean you're banging the bones.
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00:06:04.800It's gotta it's gotta be weird, like a totally weird movement after taking so much time off and then coming back.
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00:06:07.279Yeah, and I kind of just threw myself into it.
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00:06:19.360Like the sky race in Penang in Malaysia two weeks ago was the most vert I had done in a run in seven months by far, like by twice as much.
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00:06:22.399Um, so I just like threw myself into it.
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00:06:24.560There was a lot of concrete downhills in that too.
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00:06:26.160Um, it was weird.
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00:06:32.560Um, and then the Japan race was like 10,000 feet, so it was like three times the amount of vert I had done in like seven years.
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00:06:37.680Um, but you know, right back into it now.
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00:06:41.920I want to rewind a little bit.
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00:06:44.959I just want to ask you about like your time in Shamani and like living there.
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00:06:47.519What was it like being because it's one thing to go and visit.
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00:06:58.959I know a lot of athletes that listen to this podcast have either been there for UTMB week or or been there for one reason or another, but it's a whole nother thing to like immerse yourself into the culture and and actually live there for the three months.
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00:07:03.120It's funny, I actually just had an athlete on yesterday, Simon, uh Simon Kearns.
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00:07:08.000I don't know if you've met him, but he yeah, he just was living there as well.
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00:07:13.519So it's interesting that uh cool to see so many athletes kind of going back and forth and getting to see what that's all about.
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00:07:15.600Yeah, no, Chamonix is really cool.
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00:07:16.399Um that's funny.
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00:07:22.879I the first time I met Simon, I think we ran up Mont Blanc together with um another guy in Boulder.
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00:07:24.560Um that was like three years ago.
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00:07:30.480So um, yeah, um we uh Chamonix was really cool living there.
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00:07:38.959Um it's it just feels kind of like I don't know, it feels like another home, which is really nice.
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00:07:46.240Um and it's fun to see it in the quiet season after like August is the really busy month for Chamini.
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00:07:49.439Everyone's like August is hectic because of UTMB.
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00:07:52.639Um and then September quiets, it's really quiet.
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00:07:55.360And yeah, it was really fun, like building a community.
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00:08:04.480I was doing a lot of climbing, um more chill kind of climbing, not like attacking things like Denali because I needed a break after that.
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00:08:09.120Um yeah, just having fun with that, meeting a lot of new people.
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00:08:19.680Um and I kind of did it because I'm like thinking about a move to this, the house of region in the future.
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00:08:23.680Um, and I kind of wanted to get it vibe, and it's it is hard.
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00:08:26.399Like I was really bad at French.
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00:08:30.879Um I mean Shamney's nice because everyone speaks English in Chamney.
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00:08:35.919The my instructors right now, they're like Chamney is the English colony of France.
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00:08:43.360Um but it um it was still like hard not like knowing the language, but it's definitely really easy to integrate.
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00:08:45.519There's a lot of people there who just love the mountains.
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00:08:48.399So um yeah, it's really fun being there.
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00:08:52.399It's interesting to me because like you've you've obviously spent time in Boulder.
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00:09:01.679Boulder is like our American impromptu mecca, if you will, with so many professional athletes from the trail scene, the ski scene, scenes all over the place.
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00:09:02.240Yeah.
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00:09:08.559Dichotomy though, from like pressure to get out and do shit, like it did is it two different worlds?
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00:09:12.559Or is like Shamini more laid back or like heart more hardcore than Boulder?
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00:09:19.039I think like the like amount of people like out there and doing shit is really similar.
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00:09:27.519The like Wong Wong Massif is just like huge compared to the like in terms of climbing and skiing stuff.
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00:09:36.000You can do some hardcore climbing and skiing stuff in Colorado, but it's it's still not like the stuff around Chamonix, um, per se.
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00:09:39.919So in those regards, it's a little more extreme.
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00:09:45.919Trail running, I mean, yeah, you have like like the vertical gain.
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00:09:49.840Like I come to Chamonix and I'm like, oh, it's so easy for me to run up like 5,000 feet.
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00:09:53.440Whereas in Boulder, I'm like, where am I gonna get 5,000 feet in five miles?
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00:09:54.960I don't exactly know.
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00:10:02.639Um, so it is like you have like more options for like bigger running, but it feels like similar the trail scene.
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00:10:06.879It feels like there's less of a trail community there, I would say.
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00:10:11.200It's bigger for like the mountain skiing and climbing kind of stuff.
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00:10:15.600Um, whereas Boulder has like so many teams for running.
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00:10:19.360Um that is like definitely one difference I see there.
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00:10:19.759Yeah.
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00:10:20.559Interesting.
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00:10:22.960Yeah, it's uh yeah, because I always I don't know.
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00:10:24.559I have obviously we we all do.
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00:10:26.320I have a lot of friends that live in Boulder.
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00:10:32.879And the the question that I always bring up is like, do you ever feel like especially for the professional athletes, like I've asked Kyle Richardson this a couple times.
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00:10:42.559I'm like, do you ever feel pressure to like have to go do stuff or put stuff on your Instagram or your um more so Strava to keep all that stuff public and what you're doing?
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00:10:53.120And I would just feel an immense amount of pressure living there just because it's I mean, obviously Great Trails, it's world class, but there's just so much going on that you you always there's always something to do, you know.
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00:10:58.480Yeah, I kind of felt like I needed to be like out there like climbing shit and running shit every day.
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00:11:05.200Like you do feel that pressure for sure, and I'm like, I need to make the most of my time here because I'm only here for three months on the Schengen, whatever.
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00:11:09.279So, like, yeah, you definitely feel that pressure there too.
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00:11:13.519Um, but I mean there's a lot of opportunity to just get out there and get after it, which is really cool.
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00:11:14.720Um very cool.
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00:11:17.840So, all right, let's uh let's shift gears a little bit.
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00:11:27.039Want to get into your racing, uh, two giant sky races that you've had success at just right off the bat, fourth at Penyang and eighth at Ueda in Japan.
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00:11:29.759Yeah, how was it getting to see some of these new countries?
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00:11:32.559Like obviously getting to see Malaysia and then Japan.
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00:11:36.320Uh as far as both events go, uh how would you rate it?
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00:11:37.840Was it was it super fun?
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00:11:40.159Uh did you have a good time, bad time?
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00:11:43.039Like how would you and then we'll talk about performance and stuff like that too.
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00:11:43.840Yeah, totally.
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00:11:49.600Um it was I definitely I chose these races because I've never been to Asia before, so I really wanted to check it out.
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00:12:01.360Um, and I I saw this like post on Facebook five or six weeks ago with someone like in this really sick location climbing in Thailand.
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00:12:02.879I was like, I want to go there.
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00:12:08.480So I was like, I'm gonna plan this into my whole like racing schedule in Southeast Asia here.
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00:12:10.559So Malaysia was super cool.
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00:12:16.320I mean Penong is a Penang is one of the richest areas in Southeast Asia.
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00:12:22.000Um, so it is a very nice city, and the park where the race is at was really nice.
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00:12:24.240I really like the rainforest courses a lot.
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00:12:31.759It's super fun, it's really different, um really hot and humid, um, which was a change from Colorado.
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00:12:39.919I didn't do a ton of heat training going into this race, but I tend to do well in the hot, humid races, so I wasn't super concerned.
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00:12:41.120I kind of enjoyed it.
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00:12:42.720I like not being cold.
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00:12:51.600Um so that was really nice, and that race was really well um, really well marked, really well organized, really fun event.
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00:12:54.000Um, I definitely recommend it.
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00:12:59.279The course I didn't expect it to have a lot of concrete.
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00:13:06.080A lot of the trails were kind of like these super narrow like roads almost.
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00:13:09.679I passed this like dirt biker trying to go up one of them.
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00:13:11.519It was like almost a road, almost a trail.
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00:13:12.240It was a lot of that.
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00:13:14.879So it was a lot of like slamming on the downhills.
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00:13:22.240Um but still like super fun course, um, really nice people, great food in Penang as well.
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00:13:23.759Um really talk about that.
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00:13:26.000Kind of what what what what's the cuisine like?
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00:13:32.879They don't have like I feel like they don't have their own cuisine, but they have a lot of really good, like all different Asian cuisines there.
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00:13:35.120It's kind of like the food capital of Malaysia.
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00:13:40.799So like had really good hot pot, really good Indian food there.
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00:13:43.600Um, some really good noodles.
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00:13:50.000Yeah, it was like a really good, like really good just like from everywhere in that area for sure.
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00:13:53.120Um and I didn't spend much time there.
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00:13:56.159I got there two days before the race and left the day after.
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00:14:01.039So I went to Thailand to go take a boat out to the islands to go climb it.
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00:14:03.840It's a place I saw on Facebook, which was super fucking cool.
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00:14:05.039Um sorry.
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00:14:13.200Um it was really fun to go out there and just like see the like classic Thailand beach in real life.
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00:14:14.879I was like, oh my gosh, I'm climbing here.
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00:14:16.799And the feels like temperature was 110.
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00:14:22.879Um off season there now because it's so hot, but super fun.
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00:14:28.399Um, and then I went over to Japan, nice temperature there finally.
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00:14:33.360Um Japan was different than the rest of Southeast Asia.
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00:14:38.159Obviously, Japan's up there, totally different like country economy, whatever.
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00:14:43.759Um, it was my first time in Japan too, so um, that was also a super cool experience.
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00:14:45.919Um a lot more calm.
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00:14:48.080I was very over overstimulated.
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00:14:52.480Um Malaysia and Thailand, but then Japan was like, okay, calm.
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00:15:07.360Um the race was the course for the race there was very honestly like similar to some of the trails here, um, down low in terms of like the forest um steepness and stuff.
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00:15:11.360Um and yeah, the culture is really fun experience.
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00:15:12.639Great sushi.
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00:15:16.080Um went down to Kyoto after the race.
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00:15:24.480Um got a tour from one of the other U20 or one of the U-23 Skyrunners um showed me around, which is cool, who lived there.
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00:15:28.240Um, and yeah, also a lot of cool people I met on that one.
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00:15:41.200That race is super fun because afterwards um they like invite you to an Izakaya um bar, and then we all go to karaoke, and it's really fun.
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00:15:43.120I think I was out to like 1 a.m.
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00:15:45.360there it was it was a super fun night after that race.
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00:15:47.360The Japanese are really fun.
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00:15:48.960So that's awesome.
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00:15:51.039Yeah, I've heard Japan's incredible.
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00:15:55.919I I have to get over there one of these years to do a race or just to just to see it because I've heard just amazing.
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00:15:56.960Like everything from the food.
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00:16:01.440Apparently, the second best pizza place on planet Earth is in Japan.
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00:16:03.919Yeah, it's like I think it's in what the Mandarin Hotel.
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00:16:06.240I can't be in the Mandarin Hotel in Tokyo.
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00:16:08.559Um, it's supposed to be super legit.
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00:16:15.919But uh there's like good prices, great sushi.
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00:16:19.360I had I was like, I'm gonna get mercury poisoning this week, but it's fine.
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00:16:26.240Does it interest you to go back and because I've heard the skiing in Japan, like northern Japan's insane.
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00:16:27.279Yeah, I would love to.
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00:16:37.919I think all my friends went to Japan this year to ski because the snow was so bad in Colorado, and I was like, I don't have the money for this, but yeah, I would want to get out there um and ski sometime in the future.
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00:16:38.720It'd be super cool.
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00:16:43.840The powder, I need to get better at powder skiing, but I hear that's like their main thing here.
00:16:43.919 -->
00:16:44.159There.
00:16:44.799 -->
00:16:53.519It's so interesting because when people think of Japan, I think they more folks think of like more uh subtropical, warm kind of you know, like more humid.
00:16:53.679 -->
00:16:56.799People don't think of uh skiing when it comes to Japan or grizzly bears.
00:16:56.879 -->
00:16:59.200Apparently they have grizzly bears up there too, like in the north.
00:16:59.919 -->
00:17:04.400Yeah, people are getting like it's like I just read a whole article about like people getting sucked up by grizzly bears up there.
00:17:04.480 -->
00:17:05.039It's pretty wild.
00:17:06.640 -->
00:17:07.279So yeah.
00:17:07.599 -->
00:17:10.079What did you think as far as uh performance-wise?
00:17:10.240 -->
00:17:20.640Where you I mean you've had a fourth place at Pinyang, eighth place at UAD uh, two incredible results, especially coming off just a full ski season where you're kind of re-immersing yourself back into running again.
00:17:20.799 -->
00:17:23.039Uh, you gotta be really stoked on those results.
00:17:23.279 -->
00:17:31.119Yeah, um, going into it, I was like with Penong, I was like, I just need to finish this race and not have like a mental breakdown during it.
00:17:31.279 -->
00:17:38.160Um, my last race, uh UTMB whistler, I did not finish.
00:17:38.400 -->
00:17:49.599I like had a panic attack mid-race, I freaked out, and I was super far from an aid station, which was bad, and it was super cold, really bad conditions.
00:17:49.839 -->
00:17:52.160So wasn't a good time.
00:17:52.400 -->
00:17:59.440Um, so I was like, I just need to get through Penong, have a good race, like mentally stay in it.
00:17:59.599 -->
00:18:01.359And like my result does not matter.
00:18:01.440 -->
00:18:04.559I was like telling myself that I'm like, I'm just here, I'm just running, I'm just having fun.
00:18:04.640 -->
00:18:05.599This is really cool.
00:18:05.920 -->
00:18:07.039Result doesn't matter.
00:18:07.279 -->
00:18:11.920Um, so I kind of just went into that race doing my own thing.
00:18:12.160 -->
00:18:15.759I was like, okay, there goes Eleanor, like, bye.
00:18:15.920 -->
00:18:18.880Um, like letting everyone do whatever they want.
00:18:19.039 -->
00:18:20.960Um, and then I was running pretty well.
00:18:21.039 -->
00:18:25.759I was running in third before up through the giant steps.
00:18:25.839 -->
00:18:35.440There's like 2,500 feet of steps, and like the second climb, you just all the way up this hill in steps.
00:18:35.519 -->
00:18:37.599So I was running in third through that point.
00:18:37.839 -->
00:18:42.240Um, and then a girl passed me and I was like, darn, I'm in fourth.
00:18:42.319 -->
00:18:44.079And I was like, I kind of want to race now.
00:18:44.319 -->
00:18:47.920Um, so yeah, I was I was pretty happy with that.
00:18:48.000 -->
00:18:52.640I couldn't catch her because I got like hit with the heat, and I was like, uh, whatever.
00:18:53.359 -->
00:18:59.440But um the downhills were really getting me by the end of that, just banging on my quads.
00:18:59.599 -->
00:19:06.240I was like jogging on these downhills because I'm like, I can't usually I'm like the type to stand the downhills.
00:19:06.319 -->
00:19:11.039Like that was my specialty in sky running two years ago, is like just hucking myself.
00:19:11.279 -->
00:19:17.440I couldn't like my leg muscles aren't there for that right now, but I was super happy with fourth there.
00:19:17.680 -->
00:19:23.599Um I was worried going into Ueda that I wouldn't be recovered from that.
00:19:23.839 -->
00:19:27.440Um and I basically did not run much.
00:19:27.599 -->
00:19:39.519My coach wanted me to do some vertical running between Penang and Ueda, but I was so knocked out from Penong that I like really couldn't do much at all that week.
00:19:39.759 -->
00:19:43.759Um and I was still feeling it two days before Ueda.
00:19:44.319 -->
00:19:48.240Um I think I did feel it a bit during Ueda as well.
00:19:48.480 -->
00:19:52.799Um but still pretty happy with that performance.
00:19:53.039 -->
00:19:56.880Um I didn't expect it to be so long.
00:19:57.039 -->
00:20:04.880The course this year for Ueda was um really muddy, and it's not usually like that, and so that slowed people down a bit.
00:20:05.119 -->
00:20:18.880Um it was kind of like a slip and slide for a lot of it, and pretty scary, like going uphill, like it would be so muddy and so steep you'd like slide back, and you're just like clawing into the mud to like not like slide back.
00:20:18.960 -->
00:20:21.680Like you got slick mud on like a 40% grade going up.
00:20:21.759 -->
00:20:22.799It's like, oh shoot.
00:20:22.960 -->
00:20:26.319Um, but yeah, it was it was still a super fun race.
00:20:26.480 -->
00:20:40.000I tried to like hut the downhills a little more and was kind of like trying to race it, um, but also just trying to survive because I knew that would be a long time out there, and then I could feel it after like three and a half, four hours.
00:20:40.319 -->
00:20:45.039Um, kind of where I crossed that like the elevation gain of Penong was like 7,000 feet.
00:20:45.119 -->
00:20:51.359And when I like crossed that you with UIO and was like, oh my god, I still have another 3,000 feet to like climb and descend.
00:20:51.440 -->
00:20:57.119I was like, I'm just gonna have to like cross his finish line right now.
00:20:57.359 -->
00:21:07.119So yeah, I definitely died off after that, but survived, and I was pretty happy with that for like not having much running under me.
00:21:07.599 -->
00:21:07.839Yeah.
00:21:08.079 -->
00:21:09.440I mean, two amazing results.
00:21:09.519 -->
00:21:12.559I mean, enough, like you're probably already like right in the mix.
00:21:12.799 -->
00:21:21.200Obviously, you'll get an invite for the final, and you know, you're right in the mix for you know, probably top, I don't know, top three, top two in the rankings, maybe four.
00:21:21.279 -->
00:21:21.920I don't know, somewhere.
00:21:22.160 -->
00:21:28.319Oh no, I'm definitely I feel like I feel like I'm probably I'm definitely in the top 20 in the rankings, but I don't know.
00:21:28.720 -->
00:21:32.480Some people have done like four races already, three or four races, I think.
00:21:32.720 -->
00:21:33.519But yeah.
00:21:33.759 -->
00:21:36.480Or like Sarah Alonso won both the races.
00:21:36.799 -->
00:21:41.039I think I'd be I think I'd be somewhere maybe around definitely top twenty for sure.
00:21:41.200 -->
00:21:41.920Yeah, definitely top.
00:21:42.400 -->
00:21:45.119But for you for U23, you're definitely like top.
00:21:45.279 -->
00:21:46.960Oh top three.
00:21:47.119 -->
00:21:47.200Yeah.
00:21:47.519 -->
00:21:49.200Because they're U23 separate.
00:21:49.440 -->
00:21:52.079So I chose to do the senior series this year.
00:21:52.319 -->
00:21:59.039Um, I put it on U23 because I turned twenty-three this year.
00:21:59.200 -->
00:22:08.079Um And like you can still do it if you turn twenty-three that year, but I wanted to do longer races, so I just do the senior ones instead.
00:22:08.640 -->
00:22:10.079I think it's better, in my opinion.
00:22:10.240 -->
00:22:12.960It's better, especially if you're doing this well at them.
00:22:13.119 -->
00:22:16.319It's like why would you do the two when you can spoil them?
00:22:16.400 -->
00:22:21.359I'm I'm not fast enough for the 23 ones, so um I'll let the let the kids run fast.
00:22:22.000 -->
00:22:23.039But yeah.
00:22:24.079 -->
00:22:25.200That's funny.
00:22:25.440 -->
00:22:28.079Um shift gears a little bit.
00:22:28.160 -->
00:22:30.079I want to talk about some plans for the upcoming season.
00:22:30.160 -->
00:22:33.599I know I saw in your ultra sign up you'll be going back to Broken Arrow.
00:22:33.680 -->
00:22:36.400You'll be at Beast of Big Creek, Whiteface.
00:22:36.480 -->
00:22:44.240Um, I know we talked a little bit about it, and you said you had a ton of races planned, but uh, I'd say like of the races that you're gonna be doing, what has you the most excited?
00:22:44.400 -->
00:22:46.640Like what's uh of the most interest?
00:22:47.039 -->
00:22:49.359Um, I'm really trying to get into chema.
00:22:50.079 -->
00:22:56.240Um I don't know everyone everyone wants to get into chema and like talking to other skyrunners.
00:22:56.319 -->
00:23:03.359They're like, I said I wanted to go to chema, but I haven't heard anything because like everyone wants to do it, so I don't think they're gonna let everyone in.
00:23:03.599 -->
00:23:14.319Um my goal would be to do like really well in that, and I would like probably like center this next block of my season on doing really well at chema.
00:23:14.640 -->
00:23:18.480Um, and that would have me really excited, but like pending whether I get in.
00:23:18.720 -->
00:23:22.880So um I'm definitely more excited about stuff at the end of the season.
00:23:23.119 -->
00:23:26.000Um chema is one of the things.
00:23:26.240 -->
00:23:30.240Um doing world sky running championships.
00:23:30.400 -->
00:23:35.119Um, I'm doing the VK sky race for the US and La Gomera.
00:23:35.680 -->
00:23:37.839Um, so I am excited about that.
00:23:37.920 -->
00:23:39.920I think that'll be super cool.
00:23:40.720 -->
00:23:47.839Um yeah, I'm not super excited about broken arrow because I looked at the signup list.
00:23:48.000 -->
00:23:48.880I was gonna ask you about that.
00:23:49.119 -->
00:23:53.599I looked at the sign-up list and I'm like, oh my god, everyone is in that race.
00:23:54.079 -->
00:23:57.440I've never run well at the Broken Arrow 23K.
00:23:57.680 -->
00:24:00.880Um I wish I could run well there, but I don't know.
00:24:00.960 -->
00:24:02.400It's it's very fast.
00:24:02.799 -->
00:24:04.640Um I was gonna say it's not a real sky.
00:24:05.039 -->
00:24:07.279I mean, listen, like I really like broken arrow, like I'll be there.
00:24:07.440 -->
00:24:07.519Yeah.
00:24:07.599 -->
00:24:07.920Oh, yeah.
00:24:08.559 -->
00:24:13.359In terms of sky racing, it's not really a real sky race, it's just a course in America.
00:24:13.599 -->
00:24:15.039Yeah, and you climb up a ladder.
00:24:15.200 -->
00:24:18.559Um, like it's yeah, so it's it's just like a fast race.
00:24:18.640 -->
00:24:23.519And I'm like, oh gosh, and then I see the sign-up list, and I'm like, I hope I get 50th.
00:24:23.759 -->
00:24:35.200Um, but yeah, I think try to PR um run faster than last year, which shouldn't be asking for much because last year I ran that like coming off Denali.
00:24:35.759 -->
00:24:42.799Um, so yeah, just PR and have a good race and catch up with everyone there at Broken Arrow.
00:24:42.960 -->
00:24:43.279Yeah.
00:24:43.519 -->
00:24:50.880Um yeah, it's Broken Arrow is a funny one because it's like uh it's more of a big meeting of friends than it is like anybody caring.
00:24:50.960 -->
00:24:52.880Like obviously the races are important and fun.
00:24:53.039 -->
00:24:53.440Oh yeah.
00:24:53.519 -->
00:24:58.880Um but it's I think even the community aspect of it's probably to me at least a little bit more fun, you know?
00:24:59.200 -->
00:25:00.000Yeah, for sure.
00:25:00.079 -->
00:25:09.359Yeah, and I was trying to do like some golden trail stuff this year, but it didn't quite work out them requiring like four races now.
00:25:09.759 -->
00:25:17.359Um and then with whatever happened, them not having like another North American race, um, that made it really tricky.
00:25:17.440 -->
00:25:21.680So I'm doing Ledro Sky Race next week.
00:25:21.920 -->
00:25:26.240Um I'm not like part of the Golden Trail part of it.
00:25:26.480 -->
00:25:27.519I didn't ask.
00:25:27.680 -->
00:25:33.279I didn't really, I was like, I don't I don't know if I want like they kind of intimidate me in the golden trail like section.
00:25:33.440 -->
00:25:38.640I'm like, I'll just like start with the rest of the people and run fast, I guess.
00:25:38.799 -->
00:25:41.839Like um, but yeah, I'm doing that.
00:25:42.559 -->
00:25:49.599Otherwise, I was like thinking about doing trying to do the Asian Golden Trail races in September, but I don't think I will.
00:25:50.160 -->
00:25:50.880But yeah.
00:25:51.440 -->
00:25:51.759Be cool.
00:25:51.920 -->
00:25:53.279So Kima would be really cool.
00:25:55.440 -->
00:26:00.319Yeah, I'm in it, but yeah, no, I was gonna say Kima's amazing.
00:26:00.400 -->
00:26:02.319I mean, that's it especially for 2026.
00:26:02.400 -->
00:26:12.079Like, this is you know, the fact that it only comes around every other year obviously makes it a little more exciting, plus the fact that it's like I don't know, the kind of the sky race of sky races in a lot of ways.
00:26:12.400 -->
00:26:14.079Like it's just iconic ores.
00:26:14.400 -->
00:26:15.519Yeah, totally.
00:26:16.400 -->
00:26:17.599Yeah, the helmet thing.
00:26:17.680 -->
00:26:20.799That kind of throws me off as having to wear a helmet the whole time, but still kind of neat.
00:26:20.880 -->
00:26:21.279I don't know.
00:26:21.440 -->
00:26:21.759Yeah.
00:26:25.200 -->
00:26:26.240Yeah, yeah.
00:26:26.480 -->
00:26:31.440Um, what's your take on uh us having a a sky race in the United States now with beast at Big Creek?
00:26:31.519 -->
00:26:35.839Does that is that exciting and enticing or yeah, I mean it is really exciting.
00:26:36.000 -->
00:26:39.039I hadn't heard about the race before that was like a thing.
00:26:39.279 -->
00:26:42.559Um but it is it is nice that they brought it.
00:26:42.640 -->
00:26:46.880I think the fact that they have like the whole Skyrunner US series this year is really cool.
00:26:47.119 -->
00:26:49.920Um the Alaskan race looks really cool.
00:26:50.240 -->
00:27:04.640I wish I could do that, but if I was doing uh that would be like uh like marathon and 14,000 feet, and then the next weekend would be Alaska race, which is almost a marathon and like 12,000 feet of gain or something.
00:27:04.720 -->
00:27:06.160I'm like, I don't think I can do that.
00:27:06.319 -->
00:27:09.680Um even with like training.
00:27:09.839 -->
00:27:15.759Um so but yeah, it's real I think it's really cool just that they have the whole series back in the US.
00:27:15.839 -->
00:27:19.519I know it was like a huge thing 10 years ago.
00:27:19.839 -->
00:27:23.599Um I don't I don't know much about the history of skyrunning in the US.
00:27:23.680 -->
00:27:34.559I'm like I feel like Morgan Elliott knows like was mentioning like how it was like a big thing um or used to be a big thing and then like isn't anymore.
00:27:34.799 -->
00:27:45.039But it'll be cool to see and like having the top three from that series go to skyrunning um the finals, Marito Dels Dements, um would be is super cool.
00:27:45.119 -->
00:27:46.720So I'm just stoked on that.
00:27:46.960 -->
00:27:48.799Um beast of big creature.
00:27:49.119 -->
00:27:50.079Heard it here first, by the way.
00:27:50.160 -->
00:27:51.599That's that hasn't that's not public yet.
00:27:51.680 -->
00:27:52.960So yeah.
00:27:53.200 -->
00:27:54.960I'm glad someone put it out there.
00:27:55.759 -->
00:27:59.920Oh, I I saw it somewhere publicly, I thought the that the first top three.
00:28:00.480 -->
00:28:03.279At least I I I dude they haven't even announced the final yet.
00:28:03.359 -->
00:28:05.119The final is supposed to be at uh Kismet.
00:28:05.279 -->
00:28:07.279You also hear it, heard it here first.
00:28:07.519 -->
00:28:12.000Um but yeah, it's uh I there's a few things they haven't announced yet.
00:28:12.240 -->
00:28:12.880Oh, okay.
00:28:12.960 -->
00:28:13.359Yeah.
00:28:13.599 -->
00:28:15.039Um I don't know where that.
00:28:15.279 -->
00:28:17.680Um so yeah, that that is super cool.
00:28:17.759 -->
00:28:21.200I'm super stoked about the Be Civic Creek race.
00:28:21.279 -->
00:28:22.400I like the Cascades.
00:28:22.640 -->
00:28:27.200Um I was gonna work up there that this summer, but decided not to.
00:28:27.440 -->
00:28:38.079Um But yeah, I've heard the course like it's a little bit faster for a sky race, um, but it should be fun to see.
00:28:38.640 -->
00:28:44.319Definitely won't be like 10,000 feet of gain like Weda, which might be nice.
00:28:44.480 -->
00:28:47.279So yeah.
00:28:47.599 -->
00:28:48.319No, for sure.
00:28:48.480 -->
00:28:50.160It's uh it is definitely gonna be unique.
00:28:50.240 -->
00:28:57.039I I don't know I just um I'm happy the fact that we have like an actual, especially with Golden Trail not being uh you know present in the US this year.
00:28:57.200 -->
00:29:00.400Yeah, it's uh just a different dynamic, something for people to do, you know.
00:29:00.720 -->
00:29:01.920Totally, yeah.
00:29:03.359 -->
00:29:03.920Very cool.
00:29:04.079 -->
00:29:04.880Oh very cool.
00:29:05.119 -->
00:29:12.799It's uh yeah, I gotta ask you for you know looking at your kind of your background, stuff you'll be racing, like specifically sky running and these mountain races.
00:29:12.960 -->
00:29:15.039I noticed you're not doing any UTMB races.
00:29:15.200 -->
00:29:15.920I kind of like that.
00:29:16.000 -->
00:29:16.720It's something different.
00:29:16.960 -->
00:29:18.960I don't really done any UTMB races.
00:29:19.440 -->
00:29:25.839I'm like pending, thinking about maybe signing up for Speed Goat if there's still even spots in the 50k.
00:29:26.000 -->
00:29:27.359Um I didn't even look.
00:29:27.839 -->
00:29:29.279I don't have any UTMB.
00:29:29.440 -->
00:29:38.319That's also like the end of my year is kind of up in the air, so I might try to throw one in in November or December or something to qualify for next year.
00:29:39.359 -->
00:29:40.319OCC.
00:29:40.559 -->
00:29:59.920Um yeah, I mean I like I'm not not obsessed with UTMB, so I'm definitely like I kind of want to focus on the mountain side of things, and I was gonna do Sierra's and all this year, but then I was like, uh well, I I kind of missed the like registration thing for the elite entries, so it was like kind of my fault.
00:30:00.000 -->
00:30:01.920It sent it to my other email, I didn't see it.
00:30:02.079 -->
00:30:08.000Um but I'm like, oh maybe I'll like try to do the Matterhorn FKT instead.
00:30:08.160 -->
00:30:14.880Um like actually go for that, maybe just focus more on like the technical mountain side of things.
00:30:15.039 -->
00:30:25.680So and speak of it's is like a cool UTMB race, so it's pretty technical for a 50k hard lots of elevation gains, so that could be cool, it's just why I'm thinking about it.
00:30:25.759 -->
00:30:30.160It would be hard um just being a week before Beast of Big Creek, though.
00:30:30.319 -->
00:30:34.799So yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:34.960 -->
00:30:39.440It would be fun to be part of the UTMB, like all that hype uh next year.
00:30:39.759 -->
00:30:51.680Um yeah, I I like am thinking about making a move over here in like a year and a half, two years, so like maybe that next year or something, but yeah, it would be super cool.
00:30:52.720 -->
00:30:54.480Yeah, very, very cool.
00:30:54.640 -->
00:30:57.680Uh what's how are you liking Annecy where you're at right now?
00:30:57.839 -->
00:31:01.119Um cool town, cool fun things to do, or I've been around.
00:31:01.440 -->
00:31:04.559Yeah, so I'm here um because I'm learning how to paralyde.
00:31:04.720 -->
00:31:07.200Um so I'm taking a introductory course.
00:31:07.279 -->
00:31:14.640I did my first flight today solo, um, which was super cool, jumping off cliff um and like flying in the air.
00:31:16.079 -->
00:31:20.640Yeah, I was like kind of scared, but then you get up there and you're like, wow, this is so cool.
00:31:20.880 -->
00:31:22.720And now I don't have to run downhill all the time.
00:31:22.799 -->
00:31:24.960I can just run up there and like fly off.
00:31:25.200 -->
00:31:27.119So um, super cool.
00:31:27.359 -->
00:31:32.960Um Annecy is a really sweet town, especially when you get out of the town and you like go farther down the lake.
00:31:33.119 -->
00:31:36.960Um, all the villages are really nice and the mountains are really nice.
00:31:37.119 -->
00:31:39.119My workout today was super fun.
00:31:39.279 -->
00:31:40.720Um going up.
00:31:40.880 -->
00:31:43.279They've got some some super cool stuff.
00:31:43.359 -->
00:31:44.079Definitely underrated.
00:31:44.240 -->
00:31:48.160There's a lot more to France, the French Alps, than like Chamony for sure.
00:31:48.559 -->
00:31:53.759Um and I like NCM like looking at the university here too.
00:31:53.920 -->
00:31:55.920So yeah, super nice town.
00:31:56.319 -->
00:31:56.720Good area.
00:31:56.799 -->
00:31:59.680I know Salamon like centers here too.
00:31:59.839 -->
00:32:01.759So yeah.
00:32:02.000 -->
00:32:06.079Yeah, quite a few brands have their uh kind of their their HQ there, which is neat.
00:32:06.240 -->
00:32:06.799Yeah.
00:32:08.400 -->
00:32:09.119Sweet.
00:32:10.079 -->
00:32:10.559Yeah.
00:32:10.799 -->
00:32:11.119Yeah.
00:32:11.279 -->
00:32:13.680It's uh talk to me about this, the paragliding.
00:32:13.759 -->
00:32:15.839Like what what is it like trying to learn?
00:32:15.920 -->
00:32:17.440Like, especially being like brand new with us.
00:32:17.519 -->
00:32:21.920Do you people people like are you strapped to someone or are you are you on your own?
00:32:22.240 -->
00:32:23.119You're on your own.
00:32:23.279 -->
00:32:28.880Last year when I was in Chamney, like when you go to Chamney, you see all the paragliders in the air.
00:32:29.039 -->
00:32:33.279Like, there's sometimes there's hundreds of them when you get a day with like low wind and stuff.
00:32:33.440 -->
00:32:36.960And I was like, wow, I like kind of want to do that.
00:32:37.119 -->
00:32:52.079I used to think like I was like, no, paragliding injured, and then like living there last year, I was like, I kind of want to do that, but then I didn't like I didn't have the money and I didn't have the time, so I was like, let me just save up and think about doing it.
00:32:52.160 -->
00:33:03.279And then I had this free week in Europe this week, and I was like, well, French is the birthplace of pair, France is the birthplace of paragraping, so I might as well do it this week while I'm here.
00:33:03.519 -->
00:33:08.160Um and yeah, I you do like an introductory course.
00:33:08.400 -->
00:33:11.759I think there are self-taught people, but I don't recommend that at all.
00:33:12.000 -->
00:33:16.319Um and um the school I'm doing with it with is super good.
00:33:16.480 -->
00:33:21.680You start like you get your harness and you have your wing.
00:33:21.920 -->
00:33:31.680Um you start with just like learning the details of those, and then you do ground training, so you learn how to inflate the wing.
00:33:31.920 -->
00:33:36.960Um and then what you're supposed to do, like break it, and then you learn how to run forward.
00:33:37.039 -->
00:33:38.480The takeoff's a really important part.
00:33:38.559 -->
00:33:41.119It's where you can mess up a lot of things with beginner gear.
00:33:41.279 -->
00:33:49.680So you can't really mess up as much in the air as a beginner if you're flying in safe conditions, which is what you should be doing um when you're starting off.
00:33:49.920 -->
00:33:53.440Um it's just practicing the takeoff, is what you learn.
00:33:53.519 -->
00:33:55.759So you practice, practice, practice on the beginner hill.
00:33:55.839 -->
00:34:01.039You don't take off, you just practice running, and the instructors are like constantly giving you feedback.
00:34:01.279 -->
00:34:14.719Um and you learn about flying, you learn about the meteorological conditions you should be flying in with like your skill level, which is like very limited just to like nice, calm conditions.
00:34:14.880 -->
00:34:21.440Um, and yeah, this is we kind of flew pretty early because the weather's bad tomorrow and Friday.
00:34:21.599 -->
00:34:26.559Um, but this is the third day of the course, and this morning it was super calm.
00:34:26.800 -->
00:34:32.159So we did a couple like practice runs on the ground, and our instructors were like, You're ready to jump.
00:34:32.480 -->
00:34:50.079So we went up there and we ran off the cliff, and I like I was in the air for a lot longer than we expected because I caught like a thermal, which kind of pushes you up a little, and we didn't expect that, so it's a little scary, but super fun.
00:34:50.239 -->
00:34:56.800And then they did take us on a tandem after we did our solo flight, we did a tandem flight because the conditions got kind of rough.
00:34:56.960 -->
00:35:02.159Um, and like we weren't able to handle that condition, just not having flown before.
00:35:02.320 -->
00:35:11.199Um, they took us on a tandem flight to show us what we shouldn't be flying in right now, and like I think they intentionally try to scare you so they would like go really close to the cliff.
00:35:11.360 -->
00:35:15.599Um kind of tell you like what you should be doing as a beginner.
00:35:15.840 -->
00:35:19.199So yeah, kind of just really practicing that groundwork.
00:35:19.360 -->
00:35:37.440Um and then the next step is kind of just like fly a lot in safe conditions, do some flights like with the school, and then you can take like an intermediate course as well um to learn more about like what you should be flying in, how to use those thermals, how to control your glider in rougher conditions.
00:35:37.760 -->
00:35:40.320But yeah, something I might do next year.
00:35:40.400 -->
00:35:42.079I still don't have my own like gear.
00:35:42.239 -->
00:35:51.840I'm just using the school's gear, so kind of the next step, and it's not as big in the US for sure, so definitely a little bit harder to learn over there.
00:35:51.920 -->
00:35:55.199And they don't even I don't think we really have any races in the US.
00:35:55.280 -->
00:36:02.800It's the huge thing in Europe to like fly like hike and fly races here, um, but not in the US.
00:36:02.960 -->
00:36:04.719So it would be cool if they had those.
00:36:05.039 -->
00:36:05.760That's interesting.
00:36:05.920 -->
00:36:07.360I didn't know there was races for this.
00:36:07.679 -->
00:36:08.400That's wild.
00:36:08.800 -->
00:36:11.119Have you heard of um Red Bull X Alps?
00:36:12.719 -->
00:36:18.400It's like it's traverse the whole Alps, um, it's hike and fly.
00:36:18.559 -->
00:36:34.159So you traverse the whole Alps with your flying gear, you roughly follow the course, but you like choose which mountains you ascend, and then you try to fly as far as you can before you land, and then up, ascent, like so it's like a lot of strategy um and endurance.
00:36:34.400 -->
00:36:40.400Um I say like my goal is to be the like Rachel Entrichin of Red Bull X Alps and like win it.
00:36:40.639 -->
00:36:54.480I don't think a woman has ever won it, but I think that'd be super cool and something a woman could win because it's such a long endurance event and has a lot of like other things like strategy um and like skill with flying too.
00:36:54.559 -->
00:36:58.480So I'm like maybe in 15 years focus on that and do that.
00:37:00.719 -->
00:37:02.320Fuck yeah, that's amazing.
00:37:02.480 -->
00:37:04.480Absolutely go for it, that would be sick.
00:37:04.800 -->
00:37:05.840There are, yeah, yeah.
00:37:06.000 -->
00:37:09.519Usually looking at the I can hike and fly stuff is super cool up here.
00:37:10.159 -->
00:37:10.559Yeah.
00:37:10.800 -->
00:37:22.480In c I'm I'm down in the springs in in Colorado, and like every now and then I do see like a paraglider, like someone jumping off like a something I would never jump off, but I'm like, holy shit, that's wild.
00:37:22.559 -->
00:37:24.400Like, yeah, what is this guy doing?
00:37:24.639 -->
00:37:25.599Yeah, it's kind of hard.
00:37:30.400 -->
00:37:33.119I haven't even looked at them for back in the states.
00:37:33.199 -->
00:37:36.320It's just a lot more chill in France or like whatever.
00:37:36.559 -->
00:37:39.920Just have the third-party insurance for like roof.
00:37:41.760 -->
00:37:43.199Yeah, it's actually funny you say that.
00:37:43.280 -->
00:37:45.119I was just thinking about that on my run earlier today.
00:37:45.199 -->
00:37:48.239Like, and it's not even just for paragliding, but like just running in general.
00:37:48.320 -->
00:37:53.440Like, we're so goofy with uh like uh private property and stuff in the states.
00:37:53.599 -->
00:37:56.559Like I feel like in Europe everything is like so much more laid back.
00:37:56.639 -->
00:38:01.039Like you can most courses like kind of run through people's property and people are kind of chill with it.
00:38:01.199 -->
00:38:04.559But here, dude, I'll get shot if I go on private property.
00:38:04.800 -->
00:38:05.119Yeah.
00:38:07.360 -->
00:38:26.079We're talking about how like in Europe you can kind of like take, at least in skyrunning, you can like kind of cut courses like a bit, like you can take the shortcuts, but in America, they're like, no, you have to stay on the trail even if it's a zigzag, and like a lot of Europe's the irises are just like do whatever, kind of follow the course.
00:38:26.159 -->
00:38:29.280Like it's just interesting how right.
00:38:31.119 -->
00:38:31.920Oh my god, yeah.
00:38:32.000 -->
00:38:36.400And if you dude, if you cut a course in America, like you're gonna end up on Instagram and they're gonna they're gonna come for you.
00:38:36.719 -->
00:38:37.840They're not fucking around.
00:38:38.000 -->
00:38:38.239Yeah.
00:38:42.000 -->
00:38:43.280Yeah, it's interesting.
00:38:43.519 -->
00:38:47.519Um what's your take on Zagama this week?
00:38:47.599 -->
00:38:49.280You excited you're gonna follow along or no?
00:38:49.440 -->
00:38:51.679Do you do you like following sports super hardcore?
00:38:52.000 -->
00:38:53.199I I kind of do.
00:38:53.360 -->
00:39:01.440I was like, I kind of wanted to do Zagama if I was gonna do Olden Trail series this year, but um I was like, that's a lot of racing.
00:39:01.599 -->
00:39:05.360Um but yeah, it doesn't it seems like a really cool race.
00:39:05.519 -->
00:39:10.079Um, I think it'll be really cool to see how um Tobey does in the women's race.
00:39:10.320 -->
00:39:15.039Because I know there are people who were like, is Tobey gonna break four hours at Zagama?
00:39:15.440 -->
00:39:17.360Um that would be really cool.
00:39:17.519 -->
00:39:19.039She's an athlete.
00:39:19.280 -->
00:39:21.920Um her performances are insane.
00:39:22.079 -->
00:39:24.079So definitely excited to follow that race.
00:39:24.239 -->
00:39:27.199I don't follow the men's side as much, so I don't know much about that.
00:39:27.360 -->
00:39:31.440Um, but yeah, I am super stoked to see how the women's race plays out there.
00:39:31.599 -->
00:39:35.599And like Sarah Alan, so I know that's like a super important race for her.
00:39:35.760 -->
00:39:37.039So yeah.
00:39:38.239 -->
00:39:38.800Totally.
00:39:39.039 -->
00:39:40.000Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
00:39:40.079 -->
00:39:44.880I that's what I was gonna say was like the women, I think the women's race actually is gonna be more interesting, in my opinion.
00:39:45.280 -->
00:39:49.199I think it's uh with Tovey, Sarah, um, Mainland.
00:39:49.440 -->
00:39:54.079There's just it's the the women's uh field is just super deep this year.
00:39:54.159 -->
00:39:56.320Um it's gonna be interesting.
00:39:56.400 -->
00:39:58.480And yeah, will it be Tove or will it be Sarah?
00:39:58.559 -->
00:39:58.880I don't know.
00:39:59.039 -->
00:40:00.960Especially because Sarah's a Sarah's a champion.
00:40:01.119 -->
00:40:02.159You know, she's done before.
00:40:02.320 -->
00:40:03.360So I don't know.
00:40:04.000 -->
00:40:06.719Yeah, totally.
00:40:06.880 -->
00:40:07.280Yeah.
00:40:07.599 -->
00:40:08.480Super interesting.
00:40:08.960 -->
00:40:10.639All right, well, we're at about 40 minutes.
00:40:10.800 -->
00:40:12.480I uh I think we covered everything.
00:40:12.639 -->
00:40:14.800Let's uh let's let's we'll link back up.
00:40:14.880 -->
00:40:16.239If you do Whiteface, let me know.
00:40:16.400 -->
00:40:17.360I know you're signed up for it.
00:40:17.440 -->
00:40:22.000Yeah, um, I'll be out there uh doing both uh racing and commentating.
00:40:22.239 -->
00:40:23.920So I'll cover it after the racing.
00:40:24.079 -->
00:40:26.960Uh so looking forward to seeing you out there.
00:40:27.199 -->
00:40:29.199And uh yeah, we'll definitely be in touch.
00:40:29.280 -->
00:40:30.000I appreciate it.
00:40:30.239 -->
00:40:30.639Awesome.
00:40:30.800 -->
00:40:31.679Sounds good.
