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00:00:35.360Hello and welcome to another episode of Fusion Patrol. I'm Eugene.
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00:00:43.860And tonight we are looking at episode nine of season one of The Invaders.
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00:00:49.280Say it with me, a Quinn Martin production. In color. In color.
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00:00:56.740Prologue. A mysterious light plane with no registration nor flight plan crashes.
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00:01:02.360It is a catastrophic crash, but there are no bodies. The only thing of interest
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00:01:09.800It is sent to Sparic Laboratories for analysis.
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00:01:27.248Act 1. The newspaper reports draw David Vincent to the scene.
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00:01:31.568Harry Swain, a security guard at Sparrick Labs and a friend of the deceased
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00:01:38.928Vincent goes to see Mr. Richards, who runs the lab.
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00:01:43.748He expresses his concerns about the cylinder and posits a scenario where a group
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00:01:51.408He convinces Richards to set a trap by pretending to send the cylinder to another
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00:01:53.888lab, expecting the invaders to intercept it.
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00:01:56.268The invaders are prepared to take
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00:02:00.368the fake cylinder when they receive a last-minute tip that it is fake.
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00:02:03.908They abort their plans, leaving Vincent with egg on his face.
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00:02:07.868Things look even worse when the police, who weren't in favor of the plan in
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00:02:12.168the first place, run a check on Vincent and find out he's on a wacko crusade
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00:02:20.828Richards sends him away. As he leaves, Harry Swain waylays Vincent and takes
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00:02:22.168him captive at gunpoint.
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00:02:28.668Act 2. Harry is convinced that Vincent is an invader and knows all the essential details about them.
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00:02:33.548Vincent overpowers Harry and then convinces him that he is not an invader.
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00:02:38.808The invaders killed Harry's wife and child, and Harry is on the same crusade as Vincent.
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00:02:42.168They agree to meet later and exchange information.
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00:02:46.068That evening, Diane Oberle, the lead scientist at barrack labs,
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00:02:48.548comes to visit Vincent. She's scared.
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00:02:54.848So far, the cylinder's material resembles nothing on Earth, and she feels she's being watched.
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00:03:04.628Vincent leaves to meet with him and asks Diane to return to the lab and run
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00:03:08.468as many tests as possible on the cylinder. She agrees.
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00:03:13.640When the two men meet, it becomes clear that the invaders plan to take that
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00:03:16.680cylinder back soon, possibly even that night.
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00:03:23.180They hatch a plan. Harry will get Vincent into the lab, and together they will steal the cylinder.
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00:03:27.940Harry has a contact in military intelligence to whom they can take the cylinder
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00:03:35.160As they leave, we can see that the invader from the failed hijacking has been watching them.
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00:03:41.380Act 3. They break into the lab. Harry is clearly a lot more desperate and ruthless than Vincent.
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00:03:45.780Vincent finds Diane working on the cylinder. There's still no progress in opening
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00:03:48.260it. Even the laser cutter fails to mark it.
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00:03:52.400Vincent reveals that he's there to take the cylinder before the invaders can.
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00:03:56.640She pleads with him not to, but things come to a head when Richards arrives.
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00:04:02.080Harry shoots him. Then a gun battle ensues between Harry and the other security guards.
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00:04:06.140The lab catches fire, and Harry is trapped behind a wall of flames.
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00:04:15.147Act 4. Vincent takes the cylinder to the military intelligence contact, Colonel Griffith.
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00:04:19.887Vincent has read in the papers about Harry's death and the fact that nobody was found.
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00:04:25.627This has made him suspicious, and rightly so, for Colonel Griffith is the invader
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00:04:30.127Harry walks in, not dead.
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00:04:34.887With Griffith's hands on the box containing the cylinder, it's time to gloat
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00:04:36.407a bit at Vincent's expense.
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00:04:41.107When he showed up, they rearranged all their plans to involve him in the heist
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00:04:42.307to retrieve the cylinder.
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00:04:47.587The cylinder is very important to them, as it contains instructions from their
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00:04:49.767home planet on how to take over the Earth.
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00:04:54.467Fortunately, Vincent isn't as dumb as he acts, and he's hidden the cylinder.
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00:04:57.167He draws a gun and shoots Griffith.
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00:05:02.447But, proving that maybe he is as dumb as he acts, he doesn't turn around and shoot Harry.
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00:05:07.567Instead, they fight, and Vincent escapes the room. He retrieves the cylinder
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00:05:16.007Harry chases Vincent to the top of an ornamental waterfall, and after a scuffle, Harry falls.
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00:05:26.127Epilogue. Vincent calls Diane to thank her for keeping his name out of the police
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00:05:32.087Keeping his distance, Vincent hangs up on her, knowing that if he has friends,
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00:05:36.387the invaders will use them against him. All right.
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00:05:41.327Quantity unknown. What do you think of quantity unknown?
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00:05:45.467So far, it is the episode I enjoyed watching the most.
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00:05:50.509I would say it's probably, yeah, yeah, yeah. This one and the last one both
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00:05:53.309have been finally sort of hitting their stride.
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00:05:58.389You know, this one, there's a couple problems in it, but yeah,
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00:06:02.689yeah, it's a good solid story. It's a good introduction to the show.
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00:06:10.769Yes. And the first time through, I was guessing about who may be a merely desperate
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00:06:15.309human and who may be an invader pretending to be a desperate human being,
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00:06:19.849or who may be an invader pretending to be a not-desperate human being,
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00:06:23.269it was always a good guess right up until the end.
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00:06:28.249Yeah. Yeah, it was. I think... I don't know.
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00:06:31.589You know, the thing is about Harry,
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00:06:38.009you can kind of see that if Vincent has been on this quest for a few more years
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00:06:44.549or if Vincent had lost, you know, people who are even closer to him than just his partner,
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00:06:48.209you know in the in the architecture business and not
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00:06:50.949to say that it wasn't his good friend but you know if he'd lost his
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00:06:53.749wife and his child you could
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00:06:57.149see him going down a darker path like harry
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00:07:00.469appears to be and they even
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00:07:03.169have that conversation where harry says well you know if
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00:07:08.009she gets hurt i mean what's one person against all the millions that will save
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00:07:13.269and vincent starts with the correct position we cannot become as bad as they
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00:07:21.009are and then finally you know you're right we have to risk it kind of thing i i,
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00:07:28.881I don't know if that lesson would be better learned if Harry was actually a human.
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00:07:32.061Does that make sense? Yes, it
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00:07:38.141does. However, that position is what makes this such a good red herring.
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00:07:45.781Yeah. Yeah. And there's a scene where Diane gives Vincent all the information
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00:07:52.721She says he only arrived three months ago.
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00:07:57.101He, uh, he, he doesn't talk to anybody until we got the cylinder and then he's
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00:07:58.781like all over and now suddenly he's Mr.
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00:08:03.921Chatty. And then he's, all he cares about is the cylinder, the cylinder, the cylinder.
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00:08:07.341And you know, red flag should be going off there.
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00:08:13.741But Vincent now knows that he's obsessed like he is.
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00:08:19.101And, uh, and Vincent can see that he's like, I don't make personal friends. I'm standoffish.
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00:08:23.381And he is right. He's, he's extremely standoff. We've mentioned that before.
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00:08:26.341He's also gotten a man killed.
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00:08:33.161Yeah. So, you know, he is, he can see that as being justified and go,
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00:08:37.441okay, yeah, I can write that off as being the obsession with fighting the aliens.
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00:08:43.141But at the same time, he should have also seen that as being,
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00:08:47.101wait a minute, that's the exact pattern of everybody else. They moved into the
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00:08:48.541town and bought it three months ago.
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00:08:52.901He just became our sheriff three months ago. He, you know, this is my new employee
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00:08:55.861I just hired three months ago. Yes.
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00:09:02.575Yeah. So again, very good, very good red herring on it.
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00:09:09.735So I can't fault them for that. It's just, you know, a couple of,
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00:09:14.355the other thing that they do really well, and I don't know that it's as,
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00:09:20.535it's not as meaningful now as it would have been then,
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00:09:23.975but Colonel Griffith, right?
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00:09:26.215That's Hamilton Burger from Perry Mason.
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00:09:30.335Yes, it is. It's the actor, William Tallman.
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00:09:30.875William Tallman.
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00:09:34.755And Tallman, this is his last television role.
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00:09:39.555Is it really? Okay. Well, you know, one thing about William Tallman that I will
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00:09:45.095give the man credit for, he's had some interesting ups and downs over the years.
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00:09:48.775His worst down was, of course, dying of lung cancer. yes um
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00:09:51.435he is i think he may have
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00:09:54.795been the first celebrity to record a
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00:09:58.255hey smoking killed me he was
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00:10:01.155don't release this you know i mean yule brenner
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00:10:03.975famously did the same thing but william talman was i think
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00:10:07.235the first that did that and had that released posthumously
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00:10:16.975to to try to stop somebody from smoking you are so he also rather famously got
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00:10:22.055fired from perry mason after a police raid at a party where there was an orgy
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00:10:26.315and and drugs and he was never convicted of it,
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00:10:32.835and raymond burr went out on the wire for him and and forced them to rehire
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00:10:36.035him after all the charges were dropped, but he was gone from the series for
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00:10:38.795like a year while they, you know,
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00:10:42.735basically his, they, they fired him on his morality clause.
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00:10:46.655Yes. And that, you know, which they used to have back in those days.
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00:10:48.935That did hurt his reputation and in his career.
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00:10:54.037Gone off my train of thought
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00:10:57.977but the point is is that he was a very recognizable yes character
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00:11:02.057and so you could be completely forgiven knowing
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00:11:05.117that he's an invader that he's the main invader and
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00:11:09.777that this is the you know the guy that we're working against they they salt
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00:11:17.257him through the episode regularly yes and but they also make it obvious that
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00:11:23.517at some point he got a tip off from somebody on the inside yes.
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00:11:29.177And when i was watching the episode the second time i was looking for hints.
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00:11:37.777Figured out it was probably swain because he was right there at the at the at
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00:11:45.017the laboratory he was in on the delivery of the second cylinder so he knew he
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00:11:49.397would have just sent the message on it makes perfect sense.
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00:11:52.477But it could have been diane because she
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00:11:56.617was at the lab yeah yeah and and
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00:11:59.337but there's also the scene where diane comes out and
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00:12:02.017says oh i'm sorry i thought this cylinder had been
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00:12:05.437sent to you i just found it sitting on the desk i did
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00:12:08.377notice that odd it's like what what
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00:12:11.557what is that supposed to be where the invaders outsmarted us
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00:12:14.377and swapped it for the real one so that we are shipping the
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00:12:17.157real one so that they can send out yeah i don't
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00:12:20.497know but it it casts suspicion it means like something screwy is
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00:12:24.117going on in the lab maybe means
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00:12:28.777that whoever was meant to oh wait maybe meant whoever took it so maybe it was
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00:12:31.917harry he was going to take it out to the car checked it realized it wasn't the
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00:12:36.977real thing right i don't know set it down then she found it and oh well this
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00:12:40.437should have been sent out to the thing i don't know i I thought Harry was the
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00:12:42.777driver that took them out.
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00:12:44.057He was took.
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00:12:45.557Well, how did he call?
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00:12:47.897Well, it was some point.
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00:12:52.285How did he call Berger at that point? I'm going to call him Berger,
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00:12:55.825whether he's good. How did he let the DA know?
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00:12:59.425The Colonel Griffith.
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00:13:00.125Yeah.
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00:13:02.905Yeah, that's the thing. That's a good question.
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00:13:07.125See, that's a problem with this episode. And the other problem with this episode
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00:13:14.125is, who is it that the dying guard told about the glowing invader?
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00:13:15.725He told Swain.
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00:13:21.685Yeah. Why would Swain tell that to the news? why wouldn't he just leave that part out?
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00:13:22.765Good question.
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00:13:24.765Because that's what brought Vincent.
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00:13:26.165Or maybe... One of those things.
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00:13:28.705Somebody else heard it, or maybe the guy lived.
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00:13:32.085Someone else heard it, or he lived long enough to tell somebody,
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00:13:34.705but again, the episode doesn't tell us that.
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00:13:35.365Yeah.
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00:13:38.785But speaking of the colonel, while we're talking about the colonel,
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00:13:44.225it occurs to me it takes more than three months to become a colonel.
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00:13:47.305Yes, unless.
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00:13:54.165I thought about that. I did, because we've had this question over and over again.
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00:13:57.065Can they take over another person somehow?
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00:13:59.465And again, we've not seen any proof of that.
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00:14:04.325But there's another thing you could do. If you could get into the records department,
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00:14:09.585you could create a fake colonel and transfer him to a new base.
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00:14:11.865And they'd never know.
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00:14:12.865It's true.
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00:14:18.605So once again, they've left that open for the, I don't know.
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00:14:24.445But yes, it did seem to me like he was legitimately a colonel,
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00:14:29.765but on the other hand, that building didn't exactly look like a military base either.
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00:14:38.765Now, what we can do with that is, and how did David get a civilian get on the
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00:14:40.045grounds of a military base?
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00:14:43.805Because a military base has gates and it has guards.
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00:14:48.245Yeah, it didn't feel like it. It felt more like that was an office complex that
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00:14:52.985the military had set up offices in. And I mean, that's not impossible.
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00:14:56.020It's also a red flag.
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00:14:57.440It is.
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00:14:57.880Yeah.
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00:15:02.920And as I watched the episode the second time around, I wondered,
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00:15:09.220when did Vincent first become suspicious?
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00:15:17.860My thought is that he became suspicious when he read there was no body.
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00:15:19.000That would do it.
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00:15:25.120But I think that's a big red flag at this point for, you know, this big fire.
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00:15:28.500Harry's dead, but we couldn't find his body. Whoops.
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00:15:33.049But I don't know. I don't know. He should have been suspicious earlier,
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00:15:38.469but arguably, he may still not have been convinced that Harry was an invader
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00:15:39.709because he didn't shoot him.
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00:15:44.389This annoys the heck out of me. He had no compunction about shooting the colonel.
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00:15:45.269But not Harry.
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00:15:45.569Did he?
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00:15:46.589No, he didn't.
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00:15:52.169Okay. I'm not an advocate of murdering, even an alien, an invading alien from another planet.
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00:15:56.409So let me just say that, you know, this is not something that I would say go out and do.
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00:16:00.329But at the same time, in the context of the story, if you're going to murder
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00:16:05.269somebody, an alien that's body will completely disappear in seconds is a really
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00:16:08.389good way to get rid of the aliens.
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00:16:09.329There's no evidence.
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00:16:13.049There's no evidence. We talked about this definitely in one other episode,
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00:16:15.229but he shoots the colonel.
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00:16:20.209Maybe the colonel was going for a gun, you know, to comply with television ethics
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00:16:23.469of what the good guy can do. But the other guy was trying to jump him.
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00:16:28.649So just spin around, shoot Harry and walk out of the room.
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00:16:34.889And if somebody says, I heard a gunshot, I was like, yeah, I heard that too, but no bodies, huh?
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00:16:39.229Unless of course the whole building is populated by aliens, but you know, it's just,
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00:16:44.269just a little convenient that you
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00:16:47.629know if he had if he'd shot him then he wouldn't have had to worry when he was
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00:16:52.449running out to get the the cylinder which was very stupid of him to pull the
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00:17:01.249cylinder out if he thought harry was chasing him yes so that was dumb yes all
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00:17:02.909i have to say is dumb dumb dumb,
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00:17:09.687Okay. We could have had an exciting tumble off of a waterfall.
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00:17:15.707What did they say? Did they say it was supposed to be Baton Rouge?
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00:17:18.367Yes. New Orleans.
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00:17:19.407That was not Baton Rouge.
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00:17:24.187No, it was not Louisiana. It looked like California.
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00:17:28.987Yes. And it's amazing how much Ohio looks like Southern California, too.
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00:17:34.007Yeah, kind of, yeah. I've only seen Ohio in the winter. It didn't look like
00:17:34.007 -->
00:17:38.207California then. But yeah, I get the feeling, yeah.
00:17:38.747 -->
00:17:47.127The last big action scene has an actual filming location I looked up.
00:17:47.427 -->
00:17:51.927It's right along a freeway in the middle of Los Angeles.
00:17:52.687 -->
00:17:56.447That's what it looked like when they got the shots over the city. Yeah.
00:17:56.967 -->
00:18:02.387And it's one block removed from the Catholic Cathedral, so it's not exactly
00:18:02.387 -->
00:18:07.907isolated. And it's the Fort Moore Pioneer Memorial.
00:18:09.447 -->
00:18:10.187Okay.
00:18:10.807 -->
00:18:20.987And I, between my viewings, I brought up the episode, Act 4 of the episode, on disc.
00:18:21.007 -->
00:18:23.767And on my computer, I pulled up Google Earth.
00:18:24.347 -->
00:18:25.027Mm-hmm.
00:18:25.027 -->
00:18:33.367And I froze frames on the DVD and I pulled up and I studied Google Earth along with Street View.
00:18:34.127 -->
00:18:41.727And if, and as that is, and that waterfall is part of the part of the memorial.
00:18:41.727 -->
00:18:45.587And that was the site of a military fort once upon a time.
00:18:46.670 -->
00:18:51.630And the building that David Vince, and the building where the colonel had his
00:18:51.630 -->
00:18:55.650office existed until 2003.
00:18:56.630 -->
00:19:04.950It's gone now. And for a long time, that block was the headquarters of the school district.
00:19:05.250 -->
00:19:10.550And it's now the location of a performing and dramatic arts high school.
00:19:10.550 -->
00:19:15.930It definitely looked like a school district office more than it in a military
00:19:15.930 -->
00:19:19.250base i will yeah i will say that you know it's it's fascinating,
00:19:21.210 -->
00:19:27.470okay i'll use the word fascinating other people may not find it so but i have
00:19:27.470 -->
00:19:32.470the last couple three weeks i've been watching the rockford files which has
00:19:32.470 -->
00:19:36.090a ton of location footage in Los Angeles.
00:19:36.550 -->
00:19:42.170I mean, it's practically 70% of the episode is shot in practical locations.
00:19:42.530 -->
00:19:49.090And it's quite fun to watch Rockford drive down a street and write down the
00:19:49.090 -->
00:19:51.950names of the businesses and see if any of them still exist.
00:19:52.130 -->
00:19:54.930And you can find maybe one in 10.
00:19:55.690 -->
00:19:58.430And sure enough, that's the street.
00:19:58.730 -->
00:20:02.890In a way, it looks nothing like it because half of it will be torn down.
00:20:02.890 -->
00:20:06.210And the other, you know, the side of the street where that business still looks fine.
00:20:06.310 -->
00:20:12.210But if you turn around, the other side has been completely redone and modified time.
00:20:12.910 -->
00:20:19.710Rockford is early 70s. So just like this late 60s, a lot has changed in Los Angeles since then.
00:20:19.710 -->
00:20:19.970Oh, yes.
00:20:20.270 -->
00:20:23.910But it's amazing what stands and what doesn't stand. Yeah.
00:20:24.895 -->
00:20:29.335You know, Phoenix, you know, you get five, 10 years and knock it down.
00:20:30.415 -->
00:20:34.375So you said it's a pioneer memorial. Now, if you're in Arizona,
00:20:34.695 -->
00:20:39.155all pioneer memorials, as far as I know, are for Mormons.
00:20:39.655 -->
00:20:40.635This one is too.
00:20:40.955 -->
00:20:48.555Is that? Is it? Okay. Okay. They love that word for their pilgrims or whatever they call them.
00:20:48.775 -->
00:20:54.695This is a memorial that goes back to the Mexican War time. Although the memorial
00:20:54.695 -->
00:20:56.595itself was from 1957 or so.
00:20:56.775 -->
00:20:59.195I was going to say that waterfall looked a bit newer than that, but yeah.
00:20:59.375 -->
00:21:01.835But the fort was from the 1840s.
00:21:03.715 -->
00:21:11.395Cool beans. Cool beans. Yeah, it was a good, a little contrived that Vincent
00:21:11.395 -->
00:21:15.035decided to run up the stairs and wear himself out. But, you know.
00:21:17.595 -->
00:21:23.515We did hear Harry scream as if he was terrified and in pain as he was going over the hill.
00:21:23.515 -->
00:21:26.295Another emotional innovator.
00:21:26.795 -->
00:21:30.055Well, okay. Talk about emotional.
00:21:30.235 -->
00:21:36.055Oh, Mr. Vincent, you should feel flattered. We changed all our plans just to screw with you.
00:21:36.575 -->
00:21:37.055Yeah.
00:21:37.235 -->
00:21:40.595They could have just gone ahead with their plans, but instead they're like,
00:21:40.735 -->
00:21:44.315wouldn't it be funny if we made Vincent do it for us? He, he, he.
00:21:47.255 -->
00:21:51.015That's, that's emotion. Don't tell me that is an emotion.
00:21:53.555 -->
00:21:58.595Couldn't possibly not be and and then you know clearly they're going to kill him now,
00:21:59.755 -->
00:22:04.955so apparently if they can just get one good practical joke over on vincent then
00:22:04.955 -->
00:22:11.075then it's okay to kill him whereas the rest of the time it's like you know don't
00:22:11.075 -->
00:22:15.755kill him it'll get people suspicious yeah yeah,
00:22:16.892 -->
00:22:23.752So, this cylinder, some sort of data technology that we don't understand,
00:22:24.492 -->
00:22:29.412contains the plans for them to take over the planet.
00:22:29.732 -->
00:22:36.512Does that mean, and I think we can actually make an affirmative statement that
00:22:36.512 -->
00:22:40.812this may be true, that prior to this, the invaders have been working without a plan?
00:22:40.812 -->
00:22:47.192I wondered about that. And why would they not just all know what the plan is?
00:22:47.532 -->
00:22:51.672I mean, why wasn't there just a briefing before they left home?
00:22:51.672 -->
00:23:00.532Or why go to the why do it this way why send it in a cylinder that wherever
00:23:00.532 -->
00:23:04.752it arrives you then put it on a plane which apparently you didn't check for
00:23:04.752 -->
00:23:06.192mechanical failure right,
00:23:07.172 -->
00:23:13.912and fly it somewhere to get it's like it it really kind of doesn't make any sense,
00:23:14.892 -->
00:23:20.392unless the plans are top secret only for the the high gorgon himself,
00:23:20.852 -->
00:23:26.352could be but in which case you know he's gonna have to tell him eventually i
00:23:26.352 -->
00:23:32.112don't know again it i don't know i think i would have liked it if it had been
00:23:32.112 -->
00:23:35.612something else important to them,
00:23:36.332 -->
00:23:41.932but i don't know what you know oh this is just our invasion plans great great
00:23:41.932 -->
00:23:46.152i i just by the way you guys have been thrashing around kind of willy-nilly
00:23:46.152 -->
00:23:51.172doing this doing that i i have kind of suspected you haven't got a plan you're
00:23:51.172 -->
00:23:52.972really good at executing this stuff,
00:23:54.509 -->
00:23:58.789You haven't got a plan to execute four. Anyway.
00:23:59.609 -->
00:24:10.669You may have a point there. But speaking of that story, I did look up the writer and story by credits.
00:24:11.229 -->
00:24:11.889Okay.
00:24:12.309 -->
00:24:19.069The writer is Don Brinkley, who wrote three other episodes of this series.
00:24:19.069 -->
00:24:20.409We haven't come to them yet.
00:24:21.269 -->
00:24:23.289Oh, that's good. At least we got something to look forward to.
00:24:23.289 -->
00:24:30.449And he wrote for a number of series and then went on to create Trapper John, M.D.
00:24:31.269 -->
00:24:36.469Oh, Trapper John, M.D. I know a lot of people like that show.
00:24:36.789 -->
00:24:39.129I always felt that was a miss.
00:24:39.589 -->
00:24:41.589I mean, I don't like doctor shows anyway.
00:24:42.149 -->
00:24:49.949MASH is all right. But I think I feel betrayed by Trapper John, M.D., right?
00:24:50.269 -->
00:24:56.669That's Trapper John in name only. I have this idea for an ordinary doctor show,
00:24:56.669 -->
00:24:59.909and how do we get people to watch it? I know.
00:25:00.409 -->
00:25:05.049We'll pretend like he's a guy from a TV series that they loved years ago.
00:25:05.049 -->
00:25:09.749Actually, that's a common misunderstanding, and it's a perfectly understandable one.
00:25:10.049 -->
00:25:15.289Trevor John MD is a direct sequel to the movie, not the series. MASH.
00:25:16.479 -->
00:25:17.399Either way.
00:25:17.559 -->
00:25:24.359Either way, but yeah. But it's, yeah, it's just another hospital show that still had seven seasons.
00:25:24.699 -->
00:25:30.539And the story by credit is to Mr.
00:25:30.779 -->
00:25:40.139Clyde Ware, W-A-R-E, who wrote for a number of different series from 1961 to 1990.
00:25:41.959 -->
00:25:46.919And the most notorious credit of them all.
00:25:47.539 -->
00:25:50.959I've heard his name somewhere before, so hit me with it.
00:25:51.119 -->
00:25:56.799It's a movie called Catalina Caper, which got the Mystery Science Theater 3000
00:25:56.799 -->
00:25:59.839treatment in its second season on cable television.
00:26:01.559 -->
00:26:04.039Oh, in Mystery Science Theater's second season.
00:26:04.039 -->
00:26:04.739Yes, yes, yes.
00:26:04.899 -->
00:26:09.439Okay, not the show you were talking about. Surely that's a movie. Yeah.
00:26:09.459 -->
00:26:10.039It's a movie, yes.
00:26:10.039 -->
00:26:15.679Okay. Okay. So, wow, it's so bad they made it a series with two seasons.
00:26:17.499 -->
00:26:27.099Catalina Caper is a combination of an espionage thriller and a 1960s beach movie.
00:26:27.719 -->
00:26:29.779It sounds like a winner.
00:26:30.119 -->
00:26:32.219And it has rock stars in it.
00:26:33.499 -->
00:26:34.599Which ones?
00:26:35.319 -->
00:26:36.579Little Richard, for one.
00:26:37.239 -->
00:26:38.959What year was this made?
00:26:39.479 -->
00:26:41.059Night was 1967.
00:26:42.379 -->
00:26:46.299Oh, oh, quite a while back. Okay. Even before this. Okay.
00:26:46.639 -->
00:26:49.079Probably about the time of this episode.
00:26:49.359 -->
00:26:54.539Yeah, yeah. Roughly in that era. I was thinking this sounds something like late
00:26:54.539 -->
00:26:58.63970s kind of plot, but no. Okay. All right.
00:26:59.039 -->
00:27:01.479All right. I was going to say Little Richard. Wow.
00:27:02.339 -->
00:27:05.339Damn it. Who heard of him late 70s?
00:27:07.619 -->
00:27:13.779Oh, let's see. do you have anything else I don't I mean it's a it's a good episode it,
00:27:15.254 -->
00:27:26.814It's, you know, I, again, I really like the fact that Vincent is so willing to accept, right?
00:27:27.114 -->
00:27:30.634Someone else has had this experience. Someone else I can empathize.
00:27:30.794 -->
00:27:37.974I mean, that's, that is, that is truly the, the core human emotion, isn't it?
00:27:38.274 -->
00:27:43.354That we all have. You want other, you want to feel like other people have had
00:27:43.354 -->
00:27:49.414the experience that, you know that that you and they have have something that
00:27:49.414 -->
00:27:51.534especially when you feel like,
00:27:52.214 -->
00:27:57.574you're in it all alone right that that that is such a powerful feeling that
00:27:57.574 -->
00:28:04.474oh i'm not alone someone else has had this too and vincent falls for hook line
00:28:04.474 -->
00:28:09.694and sinker and i i feel bad for him,
00:28:11.054 -->
00:28:18.634i really feel bad for him but you know he has he has been a man without empathy
00:28:18.634 -->
00:28:24.294throughout the entire series so far so it's true i guess that will burn him
00:28:24.294 -->
00:28:26.454and he won't he won't do that again well.
00:28:26.454 -->
00:28:33.094We'll see the i do have some exercises in pedantry.
00:28:33.094 -->
00:28:38.294Well we all need to exercise our Pedantry bones occasionally.
00:28:38.654 -->
00:28:42.234Like why was there a California flag flying in Ohio?
00:28:44.062 -->
00:28:48.542That sort of thing sister cities program okay sister states.
00:28:48.542 -->
00:28:49.642Program in this case.
00:28:49.642 -->
00:28:52.482Ohio and california are sister states okay yeah
00:28:52.482 -->
00:28:56.682okay and the really big one
00:28:56.682 -->
00:29:04.742swain was in the water he was turning red he was about to cease to exist oh
00:29:04.742 -->
00:29:10.202yeah and he reached through the metal bars of that fence to grab the cylinder
00:29:10.202 -->
00:29:15.182and he burned up the cylinder but he did no damage to the bars and the fence.
00:29:15.722 -->
00:29:16.942Or to the water.
00:29:17.202 -->
00:29:27.302Or to the water. And in every other time we have seen an invader go red and cease to exist,
00:29:28.062 -->
00:29:33.682have we seen, I mean, other than black marks, have we seen any damage to property?
00:29:34.262 -->
00:29:40.362No. No. I mean, their clothes burn up, and I think anything they're holding
00:29:40.362 -->
00:29:42.602has burned up in the past.
00:29:43.082 -->
00:29:45.102Guns, discs, whatever.
00:29:46.282 -->
00:29:50.082But yeah, no, we haven't. And I, you know, I don't think we've seen,
00:29:50.822 -->
00:29:53.342well, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold on. Yes, we have.
00:29:54.542 -->
00:29:59.402Didn't, didn't in the episode where they were trying to regenerate the professor
00:29:59.402 -->
00:30:05.502in the water tank, didn't killing one of the aliens start a fire in the lab?
00:30:06.362 -->
00:30:09.342So, I mean, there is some exothermic reaction there.
00:30:11.626 -->
00:30:16.666But it's inconsistent. You would think, you know, shoot them in their car.
00:30:17.286 -->
00:30:19.526Like the time the two guys were killed in the car.
00:30:20.166 -->
00:30:21.586Just last time.
00:30:22.546 -->
00:30:24.446Would the upholstery catch on fire?
00:30:27.026 -->
00:30:29.066We would think, but we never saw that.
00:30:29.766 -->
00:30:34.766Yeah. So, you know, it's a convenient way to get rid of the body.
00:30:34.906 -->
00:30:36.766Another reason why I think Vincent should just shoot them.
00:30:37.166 -->
00:30:40.966Yes, it should. Nobody has to know. No evidence.
00:30:42.286 -->
00:30:45.706I mean, sure, there's that burn spot that looks like a guy on the ground,
00:30:45.926 -->
00:30:48.046but how could I have done that?
00:30:48.226 -->
00:30:52.386I mean, that's a graffiti artist or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's.
00:30:55.626 -->
00:30:58.626And and you know i think the other thing to that is that
00:30:58.626 -->
00:31:05.726i don't think we've ever seen an alien die that slowly no it's been he was glowing
00:31:05.726 -->
00:31:11.566and he knew usually they they barely hit the ground they're they're burning
00:31:11.566 -->
00:31:17.106up on the way to the ground and then gone so did the fall kill him,
00:31:18.126 -->
00:31:23.306I guess Are they allergic to water?
00:31:23.926 -->
00:31:26.106Did the water delay the reaction?
00:31:27.346 -->
00:31:28.446Oh, kept him cool maybe.
00:31:28.446 -->
00:31:33.726Yeah But then I would have seen steam rising Or something, I would think.
00:31:35.471 -->
00:31:39.651Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's all right.
00:31:39.791 -->
00:31:43.851It's all right. I'll, I'll, I'll cut them some slack. If they remake that episode
00:31:43.851 -->
00:31:49.651in, you know, this, this century, then I expect there to be steam.
00:31:50.011 -->
00:31:55.771I expect there to be, you know, a proper consideration of how much heat is released.
00:31:56.231 -->
00:31:59.591Because i want somebody i want a scientist to say oh you know the only way they
00:31:59.591 -->
00:32:05.251could have burned that cement is if it had been 700 degrees celsius you know
00:32:05.251 -->
00:32:09.091or something and then from that point on then we can work out should it have
00:32:09.091 -->
00:32:11.071melted the bar should it have burned the car,
00:32:11.751 -->
00:32:18.891yeah stuff like that okay they when they remake this series that's a must but.
00:32:18.891 -->
00:32:24.411Other than that But I only have the title for the next episode.
00:32:25.351 -->
00:32:26.491Which is?
00:32:26.731 -->
00:32:27.671The Innocent.
00:32:28.031 -->
00:32:35.831The Innocent. All right. Well, in that case, I wonder if the innocent really are innocent.
00:32:36.751 -->
00:32:37.831I'm guessing not.
00:32:37.831 -->
00:32:41.811I wonder if the innocent are invaders. Or perhaps it's one of those things like,
00:32:41.831 -->
00:32:45.631you know, who gets hurt in war? It's the innocent. Yeah.
00:32:45.631 -->
00:32:53.311What I do know for sure is that it is one of two episodes on the DVD set to
00:32:53.311 -->
00:32:56.591have a commentary track, so I'll listen to it.
00:32:56.831 -->
00:33:04.471Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay. I guess I might. I might. Is it David Roy Thinnes?
00:33:04.751 -->
00:33:07.511I haven't gotten that far.
00:33:08.111 -->
00:33:11.731Ah. All right. Well, Kenneth, thank you for joining me.
00:33:11.991 -->
00:33:12.651My pleasure.
00:33:14.091 -->
00:33:18.251Listeners i do hope you'll join us all again next time on fusion patrol.