Rendlesham Binary Code, the Giza Diagonal, and the Geometry of UAP Disclosure, ft Matt Barone

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Hello everyone and welcome to the Cosmic Tusk Podcast. I'm your host George Howard and here today with Matt Barone. How you doing Matt? Great George. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, y'all might remember Matt. He was one of the very first guests of the Cosmic Tusk Podcast and it's...
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A more recent iteration when I started kind of doing a, um, doing them weekly. And this was, I think it was a mid December that you came on Matt and we had a fine little chat. And I kind of put you in the same category is Daniel Hodges, who we had a couple of weeks ago, where it's just a couple of guys shooting the shit man about some of these subjects. Neither of us a particular expert in anything we will discuss.
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but curious across the board, right? And excuse me, your podcast is called Curious Dimension. That's right. And that's the dimension we both live in. That's exactly right. Yeah, we cover a lot of different stuff on my podcast. You know, if you look at the description, one of the first things that comes up is, you know, geometry. As I'm, you know, I've been a geometry instructor for over a decade and a half now. And really where my passion lies is the mathematics and geometry associated with, you know,
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the UFO phenomenon, other paranormal phenomenon, and of course, ancient stone structures fits cozy into that paradigm. So I'm really interested in geometry and mathematics associated with all these things because it's something I feel very comfortable holding onto as I dip my toes into these topics that are sometimes very difficult to digest.
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That's awesome, man. Have you ever had a chance to speak with any of your students kind of about some of these applications of geometry? Because I know if you had been my tutor and I had a geometry tutor, if you had been my tutor, this would have absolutely fascinated me. I mean, it really gives it another dimension to the math, you know, it makes it fun.
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Yes. So I teach standard Euclidean geometry. And, you know, so we stick to we stick to sort of the fundamentals of geometry. And yeah. And so but what I do is I try to intertwine some of these other more interesting aspects of geometry into the lessons just to pique interest as little hooks to get kids really interested in other ways of thinking about this other than just rote memorization and. And.
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and things like that. So I believe that these topics can be sort of this gateway to really spark minds in young people and to get them invested in STEM, science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. I really think that these topics can be this hook you can set in them for a lifelong passion of these subjects. Well, you know who else is a geometry tutor? Not presently, but for many years is Randall Carlson.
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I've heard this. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you, um, we were, I was to put you in touch with him and I don't think I ever followed through with it or we didn't make a move on it, but we are going to put you in touch with Randall as a fellow geometer.
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Yeah, I'd love to chat with Randall about geometry and all the work he's done. I've watched old videos of him teaching geometry and presenting this stuff. And it's right in my wheelhouse. I love kind of chatting about this stuff and taking it one step further into what's been known as sacred geometry, which is really just geometry. It just adds a couple extra layers of philosophy and looking at number and things that are seemingly consistent across various ancient cultures. Yeah.
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Well, sacred geometry, you know, it's always been a part of Randall's gig and I've been to, you know, several conferences with him. It didn't pay, I don't know, I didn't pay attention to that part of his studies because it sounded like a mix between religion and math.
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or let's say church and math. I don't have any resentment of religion, but I don't know. It just, you know, sacred geometry. It just, it didn't spark me. And then I finally sat through one of his lectures out in Sedona. I said, well, that just can't be. And then I started looking into some of the stuff. And then I met the amazing Malcolm Bendall and did a huge deep dive into it.
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And it's legit, man. I mean, sacred geometry, there's some number associations that are, to say it's beyond coincidence is to understate it. There is an underlying framework to our reality that's reflected in sacred geometry.
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Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I mean, you can look at all the way from the macro scale, the cosmic scale, and you can zoom it all the way down into the micro scale. I mean, we see icosahedron formations in bacteria and viruses. You know, people know about crystals, you know, pyrite forms in cubes. Yeah. There's all sorts of... It's infused through everything. Yeah, it's... I mean, I think we live in a geometric world, and once you start to have eyes and analyze this stuff...
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it starts to suggest consciousness, which can make people feel comfortable or uncomfortable because then you start treading into what you said. It starts to tread into religion a little bit and these ideas of what is this reality that we're really inhabiting. So I find it utterly fascinating. I like to stretch myself, take my beliefs and then stretch beyond that because I feel like that's where growth and takes place and discovery, which,
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It's one of the reasons why I'm a teacher. I love to watch people reach that point, young people reach that point, because I love that point. Yeah. Well, it must be very satisfying. Hey, let's take a little – give me some sacred geometric takes on the pyramids. We were discussing a little bit before we started recording the –
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purported, let's call it the suspicion of a second sphinx, right? Located geometrically. Go ahead and describe how that arrangement works and kind of what your thoughts were and how you had a previous intuition or foreknowledge that that area was special.
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So, yeah, I mean, we can talk about the geometry of that line essentially connecting the alleged second sphinx to the known sphinx. But that location that they're postulating that this is seemed very similar to a set of nondescript coordinates in an event that took place.
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in 1980 known as the Rendlesham forest event. And so your, your, your listeners may or may not be aware of that UFO that it's very famous happened over three nights in 1980, multiple witnesses. Um, and these aren't, you know, civilian witnesses. These are people that were in charge of guarding, um, uh,
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you know, a U.S. military base. And there was also a Royal Air Force base on the other side. And in between, you have Rendlesham Forest. And so there was three nights of sort of anomalous activity, let's say, going on. But the first night, in my mind, is probably the most significant. And it involved, in my mind, the most important witness of that event, who is Staff Sergeant Jim Penniston. And if it's okay, I'd like to just kind of just give a foundation for this event, and then we can talk about the geometry.
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I mean, Matt, excuse me. Yeah. And so the event really starts Christmas 1980 and goes into the 26 early in the morning. And Jim Penniston gets dispatched along with Airman Cabin Sag and John Burroughs to go check out what they thought was a downed, you know, prosaic aircraft, maybe an airplane or possibly a helicopter. And so as they go into the forest, they go in through the East Gate.
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Cabin sag waits at the truck as, um, uh, Penniston and burrows go in on foot because the ground is undulating and they can't make it there. So as they get closer to this light, uh,
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they start to realize that this is not just a prosaic aircraft, that it's actually some sort of triangular, unidentified craft. And there's a dome of light around it. And John Burroughs allegedly is sort of just staring at it on the exterior of this dome of light and was just observing the,
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possibly in some sort of state where he doesn't remember the whole thing. But Jim Penniston, the staff sergeant, the man in charge, went up and started investigating this. He treated it like it was a downed aircraft. So he had his notebook. He took copious notes. He walked around the thing. He investigated it. He touched it. And one of the interesting things was it was smooth, sort of like onyx,
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like a glass-type texture to it. It was chilly out that night, and it was warm to the touch. So it was warmer than the ambient air. And etched on the side of it was sort of a line of hieroglyphics with a bigger triangular hieroglyphic with a circle around it and some smaller circles. So he touched it, and he felt like it was etched into the craft
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And when he put his hand over the larger symbol that was on top of these, I think five smaller symbols below, he had like a light kind of flash into his mind, but it wasn't a light where it was hurting his eyes because his eyes were open. He's kind of saw it in his mind's eye. And what he saw was a series of ones and zeros kind of going in through his head. And so he,
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Then this light ended and they sort of retreated because they thought maybe the craft was powering up and they didn't know what was going to happen. And so they retreated back away from the craft.
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And obviously there's many more details to this story that I'm leaving out. But within the next morning, Jim Pennison had this sort of code in his head, his ones and zeros, and he couldn't get out of there. So he decided to write them down in the same notebook, 16 pages of a series of ones and zeros. And you can look this up online. You can see what he wrote.
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And I've interviewed Jim Penniston multiple times, spoke to him on the phone, Zoom calls. I find him to be...
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head square in his shoulder, rational, credible witness. And so he takes those pages, puts them in the back of his notebook, doesn't tell anybody about it because he had a very serious job as a staff sergeant on a military base. He didn't want to tell anybody about this. He thought it would impede his progression of his career, possibly lose his job. So he doesn't tell anybody about this, keeps it in the back of the notebook. So he had like a little notebook, three ring. You can take the pages out and he slid them,
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back into the rings in the back of the notebook. And there it stayed for multiple years. He would take the notebook out occasionally and tell people about the event because he took copious notes about the event. But the ones and zeros stayed back there and were never quite analyzed because he thought it was gibberish. So fast forward to 2010,
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Everybody's heard of the show, ancient aliens. They're doing an episode on the Renisham event and they asked Jim Pennison to come. So he goes and he brings the notebook. And in the back of the notebook is the ones and zeros. So as he's sitting there waiting and they're doing their takes and they're doing interviews, John Burroughs is there and Linda Moulton. How was there? Who's a famous UFO researcher. They see this in the back of his notebook and,
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And they ask him, you know, what is that? And he says, you know, there's nothing. And then he felt like he had to come clean. So the story goes is that Linda Moulton Howitzer goes, that's binary. And he wanted a few pages to get analyzed by her people independently. Prometheus Entertainment, who was producing the show,
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He'd given them a few pages to get analyzed. And then another party, a man by the name of Joe Luciano, analyzed. And all of them came back with the same set of information from these 16 pages of ones and zeros. And so there was seven sets of coordinates.
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There was a little bit of verbiage in there. And one of the sets of coordinates, which we're going to talk about today, was a nondescript location on the Giza Plateau, which is eerily close to where Filippo Biondi is saying the second Sphinx is. I don't know if it's the exact location, but it is close.
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And the geometry that he showed on the Matt Bell podcast, I had noticed right away because Gary Osborne, who spent the last decade and a half analyzing the binary code, had come up with based on that nondescript location in the binary code. So I know this is a long kind of setup. No, no, no, man. It's interesting. Got to go through. Details are important. Yeah. Do you want to ask any questions at this point or do you want me to keep going? No, I keep going. Okay. Okay.
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So the nondescript location, and if you want, I can pull up a slide and you can kind of see the bird-eyed view of this. Let me just pull it up here. Give me one second. While you're doing that, I should straighten out. I was on your podcast in December, wasn't I? I was thinking it was an early version of this one.
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Yeah, you were on the Curious Dimension podcast, and we went over your work with Carolina Bays, and we talked about the Black Matt, and we talked about Flebo Biondi's work. It was a great interview. I just forgot it was of me.
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Yeah, you were the guest. Yeah, well, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference these days. Okay, so you have it. I don't see it. Yeah, I got it right here. I'm going to pull up this shared screen here. Let's see here. We're going to do entire screen. Okay, so what you're looking at is a bird's eye view of the Giza Plateau. You've got the Great Pyramid here, G1. You've got the Khafre Pyramid, G2. And then you've got Mankari down here, G3. You can see my mouse as it moves around, correct? Yeah, I sure can. Okay. Okay.
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So this pin right here, these coordinates right here were deciphered from this binary code that was given Jim Penniston in 1980. Okay. So there's seemingly nothing there, but it is eerily close to where Filippo Biondi is stating the second Sphinx may be. Which is up under the word Giza. Yeah, exactly. Right here. Okay. So now where Filippo San is up there, see where it says Giza 1980? Okay.
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Okay, so this mound up here, right? That little lump? Yeah, that little lump. Right. Okay, so let me correct that then. What's similar is that the line that's created to the Sphinx through the Giza Pyramid, also to the second Sphinx, is seemingly the same line. Because the geometry that arrives out of this is very interesting. Okay. And so –
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So this nondescript location, what Gary Osborne did is he looked at the longitude and latitudes, the Giza coordinates in 1980. Now, the reason that's significant, that this is coordinates there in 1980, is because the Giza Plateau is actually drifting about one to two centimeters every year in a northeast fashion. Really? Because of continental plates. So...
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The code only works if it's given in 1980. So all of this information, all the latitudes, all the numbers are based on information back in 1980. And you can do that in Google Earth. You can use tools like the Vincente distance calculator to get very accurate distances and numbers, which is what Gary has done, all right?
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And so if you take that point there, what Gary did, and this is something Flippo showed, if you draw this line from here to here, those sets of coordinates bisect that line perfectly. Okay. All right.
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you can start to see the underlying geometry that's coming out of here. You can draw these lines, and now you've got a hair trigger. So you can then connect the Giza coordinates through this geometry, this intersection of these lines. And where does that line go? Okay, okay.
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it's going to go directly to the Sphinx, and it's going to go directly in the vicinity of what's called Anomaly B. Now, your listeners may be familiar with Anomaly B. Some people speculate that it's the Hall of Records down there under one of the four paws of the Sphinx. Okay, so you can see here Gary's used the Vicente distance calculator to show how this is...
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precise in the distances that he's using to get from the Giza coordinates through this intersection of this underlying geometry from G1 to G2. All right. Now.
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heading at 115.41 degrees azimuth, so that's as the curvature of the Earth and going in a straight line, it hits the Sphinx directly. Now, if you go the other way, I assume that it's going to hit what's allegedly the second Sphinx, right? Okay.
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And so you can see heading northwest using the Glenn Dash data. If you take that line straight going the other way, it does go towards the Azores. And I think it hits San Miguel Island. And so that's a conversation for another podcast. Okay.
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So what's interesting here is once you start looking at the distances from the Giza coordinates to these different locations, you start to get some very interesting numbers emerge. Numbers associated with precession of the equinox.
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So again, I'm sure your audience is quite familiar with procession of the equinox. That's the slight wobble of the earth takes roughly 25,920 years for that earth to make one wobble. And this is where we get our zodiac signs because the north of the planet starts pointing to these different constellations, right? So we have different ages, right? With the age of Leo. Right now we're about to get to the age of Aquarius and around 2,500. Right.
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AD is when we'll get to the age of Aquarius. Really? I've always heard it kind of bounced around. I mean, the, the,
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Is there gray area there? I think there's, yes, I think there is gray area because some people, you know, some people round the procession to around 26,000 years. So I think you get to this window where it's probably, you know, 500 years on either end roughly, but there's definitely a window. And I think what people feel is like, we're getting into this window. Now we're changing ages. Kind of like when you're grinding the gears on old stick shift.
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You know, you got to work it around for a minute and then lock it in. Absolutely. Um, yeah. So, I mean, you can start to see the distances here from the Giza coordinates to this location, uh, on the Sphinx, which is around 820 Royal cubits from best center latitude in G one going straight down to the Sphinx. So that's where it intersects there at that latitude. Okay. Um,
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And I'm kind of going quickly through this. I just want to kind of show people. It's good to see it again. And I can see where the, we'll go back a slide. Yeah, sure. Where you had, okay, the one that reaches the Sphinx, that crosses it, if you took another line and put it up there just below G1, the same distance from the pyramid, and then drew it straight out, it would hit that mound of dirt.
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Correct. Yes. Which incidentally won there in 1930, but I think Trevor had a fairly good explanation. I still, you know, I think that does call it a little into question that the mound went there. So that means it's below the, the, the, the mound of dirt. Yeah. Below the mound of dirt, below the ground surface and the mound of dirt there was there for, I guess, some other purpose, but it's a long mound of dirt anyway. It's longer than the Sphinx. I didn't think it exactly looked like Sphinx like, but.
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Very interesting. But yeah, those things seem to line up a little bit beyond coincidence. Yeah, I would argue, yeah, it's definitely worth a further inquiry. And if the SARS, the scan team, if all that technology is sound...
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I think we're just at the beginning of discovering what's underneath the Giza plateau. I mean, I don't think anybody would argue that typically what's underneath these ancient structures is much more interesting than what's on the surface. And it tells a much more deeper story. And so I think we're just at the beginning of employing some of these new technologies that are going to become available. And you know, the, the, the,
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the knowledge, the egg of knowledge is about to crack wide open as far as, as far as I'm concerned. So, so the sergeant,
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Had these numbers sat into him. Then he spat them back out, sat on them for some decades. Yeah, 30. 30 years, roughly. Yep. Almost to the day was that episode aired in December 2010. Oh, no kidding. Mm-hmm. Huh. So, and then it was decoded. These coordinates emerged. What else was in there?
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So I can show you a slide of exactly what was in there. So this is the information that came out of that 16 pages of ones and zeros that he wrote down. Now maybe I should make one clarification here. You know, people have speculated that the code was not authentic because it emerged 30 years later.
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There has been some forensic analysis done by Bob Wood, Ryan Wood's father. Ryan Wood and his father, Father Bob Wood, were kind of the curators of the MJ-12 documents. Some of your audience may be familiar with those. They're highly controversial. But they did some analysis on the paper and the ink. And their conclusion was that it did correspond to the time period that this would have been written down in the 80s. And the paper and the ink also corresponded to that. That was their analysis.
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So in 2010, the code emerges, and three different independent sources deciphered the binary code, and this is the information that emerged. So you've got...
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Exploration of humanity, 666, 8100. And then you have a set of coordinates here that is allegedly High Brazil. So High Brazil is sort of this mythological location, I think, off of Ireland. But what's interesting is if you look at ocean scans from above, it does look like there's some land masses there that sit a little bit higher
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than the rest of the ocean floor. So it's possible that maybe there was something there in the distant past that was above water that maybe now submerged. And then you've got continuous for planetary advance. Okay, so let's go to Sedona there. Okay. What's continuous for planetary advance? What does that mean? Excuse me.
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So, I mean, if this is some sort of an advanced intelligence that's transmitting this information, you know, then obviously there's information here that's probably important.
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You know, I would speculate that maybe there's something to do with procession and periods of time that happen over long scales that affect civilization, possibly cataclysm, possibly just changes of understanding of reality. It's hard to say, but – Right. Yeah, but I do think – But there's pointing us somewhere or indicating something.
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and geographically, did those all fall at those? I mean, Sedona's out in the middle of nowhere in Arizona, and it put a pin down there? Yes. So these are the seven sets of coordinates. You've got Caracol-Beliz in Central America. You've got Sedona-Arizona, Giza, which we've just talked about. You've got the Nazca lines in Peru, Taishan in China, and then also Naxos-Greece.
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And of course the one that's interesting is Haia Brazil, which is sort of this mythological location in the Atlantic. And then you have origin year, origin coordinates, and then you have origin year 8100.
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I guess the speculation is that the code possibly originated from the future, possibly. And then you also have this verbiage, eyes of your eyes. So it's enigmatic. And then you've got these seven sets of coordinates, which you can kind of play with. You've got a 666 up front, then an 8100, then another 8100 at the very end. Right. It's repeated. And high Brazil is also repeated. So we've got about another...
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what, 6,000 years? Yeah, before you can find out what- Yeah, it's going to be a long wait to find out what the rest of the craft was trying to tell him. Yeah, 100%. So, yeah, I mean, it's fascinating. I do not think that Jim Penniston made this up
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Right. I don't think anybody else made it up and then gave it to him to perpetrate a hoax. There have been other binary codes associated with UFO events over the years. Another really good one is Jeremy Leakes, who just came out publicly on the Chris Ramsey podcast that came out maybe like a month or two ago. And he had an event in Georgia when he was in the car with his family. Right.
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And, you know, massive saucer got real close to him. He saw symbols on the side of it while they were in their car. And again, he had a sort of code given to him a little bit different where he's making shaded circles and squares. And it was a multi-layered binary code, I think deciphered by Dr. Horace Drew.
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who has done some groundbreaking work, I think, in DNA, but he decoded that one, and there's information in that one as well. But that's a conversation for the time. But the point is there are instances of binary code. Why binary? I have no idea. Well, it's the same thing that we put on the Voyager spacecraft, right? The binary record. I mean, we encode our exploratory craft with messages.
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Mm-hmm. Sure. And binary would seem to be an obvious choice. Sure. Why not? I mean, you know, it's not something that – it's not a one-off is all I'm saying, is that there are other examples of this. And so, yeah, I mean, it's utterly fascinating, and when you start to look at the geometry –
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of this and what Gary uncovered, it starts to point to what's commonly known as the Giza diagonal. And I can skip ahead to that real quick because this is really fascinating. Oh, please. Yeah. Okay. Let's, let's skip ahead to this a little bit because you can see some of this other work. I think this is the one here. Okay. So we have more relationships in Royal Egyptian cubits. Okay.
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All right, so now things start to get real interesting because this line, I think, was discovered, the line from G1A to G3A, the Queen's Pyramids, the corners of those. That diagonal was written about by Scott Crichton and Gary Osborne in a book called The Giza Prophecy.
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Great book. What that book does, it takes Robert Buval's work, Graham Hancock's work in The Orion Mystery, which talked about how the three belt stars were aligned to the – Orion's belt stars were aligned to the Giza Plateau. They kind of took that to another level, and they're looking at the Giza – they're looking at the Giza Diagonal.
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What Gary discovered was that the distance, not just from the corners of these queen pyramids, but if you also add in the Eris edges, which is basically the slant height of those queen's pyramids, and I'm gonna show you that here. These are the three queen's pyramids in the northeast corner and the southwest corner.
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You have the 1,992 royal cubits from the corners, but if you add the Aris edges in royal cubits, you get 2,160 royal cubits. Oh, which is a sacred geometry number. Which is one-sixth of one-half of a processional cycle. So again, we're talking about the slate wobble of the Earth and how it takes roughly 25,000.
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920 years to complete that wobble, right? So now you have one-sixth of one-half of a processional cycle in this distance, okay? So now you can see from the top here going down the Aries edges, the whole distance is 21,000 – or sorry, 2,160 royal cubits, okay?
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Okay? That number is very accurate. Gary used, again, the Vincente distance calculators. These are very accurate numbers. He's not fudging the numbers. Okay? So that implies intentionality, if it's a whole number in royal Egyptian cubits. Okay, so also, these are... You can put these numbers in terms of pi. Okay. So if you take the meters...
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which, you know, and maybe we should talk about the meter for a second and how the Egyptians derived their royal Egyptian cubit. If you take a wheel or a circle with a diameter of one, one meter, and then divide the circumference, and, you know, if everybody remembers your geometry from high school, circumference is just the diameter times pi, 3.14 repeating irrationally forever. Right.
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But if you take that, you get the circumference. Now, if you take that circumference of 1 times pi, it's just pi. Divide that by 6, you get 0.5236. That's the meet. That's the royal Egyptian cubits of a meter. And so you can now put those distances in terms of pi. And it's exactly 360 pi meters. Okay? So these become whole numbers.
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All right. Same thing with the distance. I'm sorry. Is a pi meter the same as a European meter now? So it's just meters in terms of pi. So it would be whatever meters is times 3.14. Okay. So you just have the variable pi attached to it. But you can see it makes nice whole number distances in terms of pi.
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So if you were to divide the distance of the meters here, I think it's 1,130.976 meters divided by pi, you get exactly 360 pi times pi is that distance of the diagonal. The same thing goes for the corners here.
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If you take the distance in meters, 1,043.0,112 meters, divide that by pi, you get exactly 332 pi meters. Okay. All right. I don't see why it's different than the other line. I mean, isn't it a rectangle? Go back. Yeah, sure.
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Why is one... One is to the corners, and then one includes the aris edges of G1A and G3A. So you see that? Yeah. And this one includes the aris edges. Okay, because they're not actual structures where you're drawing the Northwestern pie, you just cut it off at...
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Right. You just draw those lines. Yeah, correct. There's no structures there indicating these. You can't run up the side of it. Right. Okay. Okay. Got it. All right. So now if you take the Giza diagonal and you convert this into years, a half of a processional cycle, all right? And so if you do that, what you're doing is you're basically taking that one-sixth of a half a processional cycle
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And the distance was 2,160 royal cubits. Multiply that by six. That gives you your half procession of 12,960 years. Right. So the Giza diagonal becomes a timeline.
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all right why would that why would you care about that why would you even want to have a timeline well it's an interesting number but yeah so as so then you start to look at how the belt stars drift over this time period okay and so you can see here here's the giza plateau looking south
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And the Orion belt stars, as they rise in the night sky, they align at different time periods with the three Queens pyramids. They always align with the three main pyramids. But over 12,960 years, they rise and set at different locations.
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Okay, so 10,460 BC, they were rising the night sky over the three queens pyramids next to G1. As we're getting closer to the age of Aquarius, which was now we're coming into this age of 12,960 years into the future, we're getting close to having them set in the night sky over the three queens pyramids near Mencari.
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OK, OK, so we're so what's happening here is they're constantly rising and they're always up here. But as time goes on, they start to drift this way and they drift this way. And as they set, they're getting closer to setting down here where we are now. And so it's a clock. It's sort of this pendulum clock that goes back and forth over a 12,960 year period based on the wobble of the earth.
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Well, the 12, the half of processional year has always amazed me because it, it, it matches the younger dryness cataclysm. Correct. Correct.
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which is somewhere between, you know, 12,000, 880 is where I kind of put it. Sometimes, you know, sometimes I'll say 12,887, you know, June 30th. Right. Because I mean, you can play around with those numbers and they're never exact, but June 30th I say, cause that's when the Tunguska explosion was, but in the Tards interaction with the Tards. But so that seemed to me to be a quite an odd coincidence that we are,
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The processional cycle, the midpoint of it in our timeline coincides with the catastrophe, which must mean our own time has some significance.
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Yeah, and I would argue if – I think Gary has proven that there's some intentionality behind all of this, as well as Graham Hancock and Robert Buval and Scott Crichton. I think they've shown that they're at least tracking this. And so why would you go to such an effort to track this? Well, maybe you're tracking cataclysm. Maybe you're tracking these time periods when things happen.
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And so I find it very interesting that this all lines up this way and that it does line up with the Younger Dryas event. And so maybe this is sort of a message to civilization in the future that you need to kind of pay attention to this and be prepared. That's what it kind of communicates to me. Yeah.
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There may be other underlying metaphysical reasons for tracking ages. I don't know, but tangible things, it would make sense that you would want to track cataclysm. You're damn right you would. Because we're a species with amnesia, and somebody needs to write it down in case we ever wake up, right? Exactly right. And so you can see there's this line here, this latitude line that cuts the Giza diagonal directly in the middle.
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Now, that's a natural whole number latitude line? Yeah. So what you have here – let me go to this one. It splits the Giza diagonal exactly into 1,080 real cubits on either side of it. So that would be sort of your galactic center. But hold on. What defines that latitude line? Is that –
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So they call it the eye of raw line. I think it goes through one of the eyes of the Sphinx. Okay. And so the actual coordinates of it, I think, let me see here if I can blow this up a little bit. Where was that?
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if i can zoom in here so we can get the exact coordinates here yeah so those are your coordinates there the um that latitude line 29.97525 so it is a wild number okay yeah okay and so that also goes through i think it's the right eye of the sphinx okay which they call the eye of bra line
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This is something Gary thought was interesting, that when you draw a circle around the centers of the Queen Pyramids on the corners, it encapsulates also the square here, and then you can put these different ages on the zodiac there. So right now on this timeline, as we move up this way, because Orion is beginning to rise towards the age of Aquarius,
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We're approaching here, but you can see the different ages. So right in the galactic middle, you've got the age of Scorpio and the age of Taurus. And then 10,000, what is it, 960 years ago, you had the age of Leo here. So as we're moving across the timeline, we're passing these different zodiacal ages, and then it'll come back and hit the same ones again. All right? And so it's interesting that these are aligned this way because it's eerily similar to one of the tarot cards.
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that has sort of the same symbols and the same iconography on there. Huh. And so when you start to look at the origin of tarot, it becomes very, it becomes very interesting that you see, you got a syncs there at the top and, you know, did we start to get into a little bit of a, you know, sort of different territory. It has the, the, the, um,
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Zodiacal, what am I trying to say? It has Leo. Correct. Yeah, what do you, my God, astrological symbols? Is that what you call them? Yes, 100%. What do you call the months? I was just trying to think of that term. Yeah, and so it starts to get very interesting in where this knowledge comes from, where has it been passed down to, how does this get transmitted over time,
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but it's very interesting. And when you look at the timeline here, there's a gentleman you may have heard of, Manu Saves the Day. Have you heard of Manu before? Okay, so Manu collaborated with Gary, and he said, why don't you divvy up the Giza diagonal into sections of 72? All right, now why 72? That's another processional number, and 72 years is the time it takes for one degree of procession to take place.
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So if you divide that 12,960 years of that quesadagonal by 72, you can look at 180 years in those 72 sections, and you can start to narrow down things. But very interesting geometric connections start to take place. All right, so let's take a look and see what some of this is.
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If you look at the distance from the Giza coordinates given to Staff Sergeant Jim Pennison in 1980, and you draw a direct line at 90 degrees over to the Giza diagonal, you get very clean processional numbers in feet, inches, and yards. You get – let's zoom this in a little bit so the audience can see this. Okay? You get 1080 feet.
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You get 12,960 inches, and you get 360 yards from the Giza coordinates to the Giza diagonal. All right? Okay. Well, that's interesting. 12,960, huh? Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. And 360 yards. Yes, and look at what year it's pointing to on the Giza diagonal. It's pointing to 520 AD. Well, you might not think that's...
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relatively significant. Well, it was a terrible time on planet Earth. Right. But look at the time it takes to get from right here, where the Giza coordinates are pointing to, to the age of Aquarius, which is the end of the clock. How many years is that?
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No, 1,980. What year did the code – what year was the code given to that? 1980. So it's almost like – I don't know if this challenges your belief system, but it's a very interesting coincidence that that would be sort of a nod back to when this took place. Also, to remind your audience, all of these coordinates are all based on where the plate tectonics were in 1980. This only works if the code is given in 1980. Yeah.
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So I know this is getting pretty heavy. I know this is a lot. But once you start digging into the geometry and the coincidences here, it becomes harder and harder to ignore. And there's more. There's a lot more. I'm just looking at what was the big climate crash around that time. In 580? Yeah. 520? Yeah.
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The worst year was it in the 300s? Huh, well, I'll look it up. I don't wanna sit here and Google it. Okay, but yeah, there was a terrible climate crash around that time.
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fascinating um so the other thing is if you look at the time going the other way you've got um 180 years you have 61 sections going the other way so that equals 10,980 years so 10 9 8 0 that's still 1980 so it only only at that line intersecting the timeline at that point gives you 1980 above and seemingly 1980 below
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Mm hmm. So it's actually 536. Uh huh. Yeah. It was a bad, bad day. Worst day. Yeah. Yeah. That was a bad couple of years and they, they ascribe it to Icelandic volcanoes, but there's a whole nother series of thinking from Mike Bailey and some other scientists that, um, that may have been triggered from above.
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Interesting. Yeah. So terrible crime, climate crash there. So just put that in your notebook. Okay. Take a little further or. So it's a, this is pretty much the, the end of this. Um, but I mean, obviously I'm leaving out a lot of information that Gary Ogborn has, has deciphered based on this code. And this is, and this is all coming from just that one set of coordinates. We haven't even talked about Sedona. We haven't even talked about Greece and.
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So there's a lot more going on here. He's publishing his second book. The first book he wrote with Staff Sergeant Jim Pennison, just establishing the Reynoldsham event. And that event has been talked about on multiple podcasts, multiple documentaries, multiple books by credible people. And, but Staff Sergeant Jim Pennison and Gary Osborne got together and they wrote the first book, establishing the event from Jim's point of view, and then the emergence of the code. And then the last part of that book is the beginning of the deciphering of the code.
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The second book that Gary is writing, which I think should be out any month now, called The Timeless Conception, is going to take all the information embedded within the code to another level mathematically and geometrically that he's deciphered. Yeah.
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I would definitely recommend people take a look at his work because he is meticulous. Okay. And he checks and cross-checks everything. And it's been an honor getting to know him and him showing me his work. It's the only reason I'm able to present this now is because I've taken a great interest in the geometric and mathematical work. These are the types of things I'm really interested in.
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And so he's taken the time to explain all of this to me. I've read his books, and it's why we're sharing this right now. Let's zoom out to NHI, non-human intelligence, and disclosure in general. You keep a pretty close eye on things. I do. I just started watching S4 yesterday, the new doc. Okay. With Bob Lazar. Have you seen that yet?
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I have not seen it yet. I've seen the interviews that they've done with Chris Ramsey, John Rogan. And I think Jesse Michaels is, is interviewed him as well. So I've started to, to dip my toes into that one as well. So yes, I'm well, where do you think we are in things? What, what the hell is going on, man? Is this going to, I mean, the president's already announced that they're going to do some level of disclosure. We always wanted the president to say something.
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President is now on Air Force One, told us it's a very complex phenomenon. We need to know more and more is coming. What do you think is going to happen? Or what do you think is happening? Well, first of all, if I had to guess –
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I would assume that there's multiple phenomena in play. And when I say that, I think that there's, I think maybe what most of what people might be seeing could be some sort of high tech, you know, call it reverse engineered airframes that move in ways that traditional propulsion doesn't allow for. So I think they may have some advanced physics that have been classified on
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And they have material science and topological physics that just isn't taught in mainstream academia. And I think this is housed in private aerospace with some government oversight. And so I think that is probably the bigger story here. Now, is there such a thing as NHI? I would argue yes. There's a third party out there that may have multiple aspects to it. And so –
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You know, people talk about different beings and you can look at the abduction material. And so to me, the abduction material written by tenured professors, people like David Jacobs, Dr. John Mack, who's a Pulitzer Prize winning Harvard psychiatrist. You have other individuals like Bud Hopkins. That aspect of the phenomenon, I think, is quite real.
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You know what exactly that is. I don't know, but I think it indicates that there is some sort of third party in play here. And so I think you have third parties. I mean, it's just blows my mind. I've been coming around to the.
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belief that the Star Wars bar is a thing. I agree with you. And I just didn't 10 years ago, I couldn't get there. That there were various civilizations out there competing for influence or interest in us. And, but it kind of adds up now. I think it kind of adds up. I think you're right that there's probably multiple different intelligence at play.
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Um, and, and, but in my opinion, maybe one of the bigger stories, or maybe one of the reasons for the overt secrecy is what human beings have been up to over the last eight years. Um, and what we've done scientifically. And so I don't think they want any of that information about what we have in our back pocket as far as American military defense. I don't think they want any of that information getting out because that gives away a strategic advantage. Um, and, and, but in my opinion, maybe one of the bigger stories, or maybe one of the
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And I don't blame them for that. So what I think is going to happen, I think there's going to be limited disclosure without divulging any sort of tactical advantage secrets that they have.
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Yeah, I think people looked at the UFO disclosure hoping to be something like the Epstein files ultimately was where you kind of did get it all. But they can't give it all in any way. I mean, my God, if you're giving up the military's ability, there would be so much embedded classified information.
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methods, materials, whatever they say, within that information, it would be damn hard to parse it out of there. So what I think they're doing is going to go get the, you know, 20 best high resolution videos and some other things and curate it for us and then shock us with it. Sure. You know, not deliberately, but, but intent, you know, they know it's going to, and it's going to shock us, but I don't think it's going to be, you know, that they're just going to spit out all the secret records.
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No, I don't think that's going to happen at all. But I, yeah, no, no. I do see a world where there is some sort of, you know, dumping of video files and documents and, you know, but very little limited disclosure on what, how like progress they've made with materials and biologics. I don't, I don't see them going that route very quickly because,
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But probably high definition footage that allegedly Congress people have seen inside secure locations. They said it's chilling. They said what they've seen, they're all chilled to the bone. What was his name? Eric Burleson, who originally had very little interest in it, thought it was all crank stuff. And there's a video of him talking about it. A man was obviously chilled by what he'd seen.
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And he'd gone completely full circle on the subject and said that we've got a lot more to know about this and the public needs to know it. Yes. He doesn't see any reasons why the public can't see the videos that he's seen. And, you know, when you start to – I imagine when you start to look at some of this footage that is –
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you know, shocking and obvious where you have, we have objects, the size of football fields moving underwater at 500 knots. Right. So that if you've got clear footage of this, then, you know, there's a lot of questions that come about that. Right. Because that doesn't seem like anything human beings would be up to. And if it is, then, all right, you've got that. Then you're holding back quite a bit. So yeah,
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If you have this 4K footage showing objects moving in ways that we can't understand and it's clear and you can see things, well, then that raises the awareness of human beings. I think, oh, well, look at this. I think there's really something to this. Why do you think some people just do not give a damn about it?
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Well, I don't think I've had this conversation with people and I think people are very busy. And, you know, people are busy taking kids to soccer practice, you know, you know,
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running a household, working a career, their focus is in other places. And so they may be open to the idea. They may even believe that it exists. But how does it affect their day-to-day life? Probably not that much, right? But I hate to say it because I've got so many intelligent friends that are that way, but it almost seems like a lack of knowledge.
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Curiosity, which I match up with a lack of intelligence. I've always thought that most intelligence is just the result of curiosity. I mean, I would agree with you. I mean, I'm not trying to put down humanity at all. But, yeah, I mean, I do go back and forth with this. Again, we love everybody's got dozens of these friends who are in our space, but it just gets so frustrating when they just don't get – I mean, I sat there –
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you know, with someone I'm seeing lately and watch, you know, Fox news three Fridays in a row do eight to 10 minutes on age of disclosure. They don't do that casually. They don't go and give three Fridays on Brett bears, Maine,
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newscast to talk about UFO disclosure by high government officials, unless there's really something to it. They got fact checkers and that was a very deliberate that one. But then, you know, my friends watch it. They just don't give a damn. And I thought that that would get it over the hump. That's on a news program. You watch every night. Doesn't it? Oh, I don't know. It will just remain disinterested despite being highly intelligent.
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Yeah. I mean, I would argue that the American public at least is being primed for more revelations in this topic. And so I don't think that was by accident that that documentary came. Oh, it was absolutely. Again, this is just one little aspect of it, that three Fridays in a row –
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Age of disclosure, age of disclosure. Marco Rubio is telling you, you know, these other senators are telling you. Brett Baer, I'm telling you something is up here.
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Yeah, no, it's clear. It's clear that they're curating this and they're priming the public for more information to come out on this. How much information, it's going to depend. We'll have to wait and see. People that follow these subjects closely are going to be disappointed because they feel like they've had a lot of this information in the zeitgeist for a long time. People that don't follow these topics are going to be a little bit more surprised and possibly caught off guard.
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by some of this. So you're not gonna please everybody, but I think it's time now that more information comes out about this. And if you have information about the nature of reality, that needs to be shared with people. That's not something that should be controlled, that's not something that should be classified. The nature of reality and the idea that human beings aren't the only intelligent beings
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in our galactic neighborhood, that needs to be disclosed. That's, that's fundamental. And I think everyone has a right to know that. Now we've had 80 years to kind of chew on the subject. I mean, it's time to go ahead and bite the bullet and see how the public truly reacts because they've been warmed up to it for God's sakes and major movies and every other aspect you could possibly suggest. But I think some of them just continue to dismiss it all as fantasy. Tell me about the 19.47 phenomena.
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Okay. So this was brought to my attention by, um, by Richard Hoagland. So for your audience, you may know who Richard Hoagland was. I think he worked for Walter Cronkite back in the day, very intelligent man. He did a lot of interesting geometric and discovered geometric work and discoveries on what's known as Cydonia and on Mars. And I, I'm starting to become more and more persuaded that, that,
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there's more to the planet Mars than, than we've led to believe. Um, I, they've had evidence of microbial life and I stress the word evidence, um, going back to the Viking missions. That's how we've had our friend, Brian Corey Dobbs on the show before. And, uh, and, and also, um, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. Dr. Oh gosh. What is his name? Brandenburg. Yeah. Dr. Brandenburg. Thank you very much for saving me there, Matt. Um,
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Yeah, and I find some of it compelling, too, particularly Brandenburg's kind of nuclear hypothesis. You know, the features on Mars I'm a little bit sketchier on. I was part of the generation that got excited about Hoagland's thing or somewhat excited, interest. And then the higher resolution pictures came out, et cetera, and so forth. But it doesn't mean there's not something there. But what intrigues you? What do you find? And what's 19.47? Yeah.
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Yeah, so let's talk about 19.47 for a second. So I think this discovery gets credited to Richard Hoagland. So it goes to kind of tetrahedral geometry, which is kind of in my wheelhouse. If you take a tetrahedron, which is a four-faced polyhedron with four equilateral triangles, and you inscribe this inside of a sphere, like a planetoid, like a planet or a celestial body,
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and you put the apex of this at the pole, the three base angles will intersect that planet at the latitude of 19.47, okay? So you might think, so what? Well, it just so happens that the Cydonia region is at that latitude, and there's also other geometric connections associated with the layout.
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of the Cydonia Plateau. Okay, so you have the face on Mars. Everyone's familiar with that. You have the Thole, T-H-O-L-E, I believe is sort of a conical mound there. And then you also have what's called the DNM Pyramid, which is a pentagonal pyramid, five-sided,
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pyramid. And so you have geometric connections there pointing to 19.47. The other interesting thing is if you take a line and you go straight down through the center of your tetrahedron to the base, the angle of that straight line to the slant height of one of the faces, the adjacent faces, is also 19.47 degrees. And you can get that by taking...
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If you have a side length of one for all your equilateral triangles, you can do the inverse cosine and get your 19.47s. Basic geometry. Okay. You can figure this out. And so the other interesting thing is that we have a lot of stone structures around that latitude of 19.47s.
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on earth as well. And, you know, this gets into some areas that's a little bit out of my wheelhouse, but it's been postulated that there might have, there may be some energy upwellings around these places, maybe electromagnetic energy that's coming out of the earth from, you know, the, the,
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The spinning of the earth as well as what may be in the core of the earth, which is probably some metals and some different stuff, iron and nickel. There may be upwelling places on the planet where you've got sort of anomalous energy coming out.
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And so this is the work that was associated with Richard Hoagland, and he did some fantastic work there on Cydonia. Another person I would cite would be Dr. Mark Carlotto. He did a lot of these work back in the 80s as well. He has a method called shape from shading. Yeah.
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which allows you to see, take pictures from above, and using trigonometric algorithms, you can actually make a model as if you're standing on the ground there. And so you can get a ground-eye view of structures. And so you begin to see other features of these anomalous structures, like the face on Mars and other things. And so...
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He also talks about fractalization. And so if you look at a landscape, for example, just a natural forest or landscape, you're gonna have fractalization in geometry that happens naturally, that happens in nature, okay? And you can use this to maybe look for a hidden military base, for example, because the fractalization algorithms will pick up things that don't meet that scanned area of natural fractalization. You'll see things that light up.
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Like it could be a hidden military base. It could be an airplane, something that's in the forest or in the natural landscape that's not supposed to be there. Right. And so one of the things they did was they did this on the Cydonia Plateau. And the face on Mars lights up like a light bulb. Really? Showing that it's not a natural formation or suggesting that it's not a natural formation, which I find very interesting. It's an outlier in some respect to the other geology.
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Yes. And the other thing that I find interesting, and this is again, this is Dr. Mark Carlotto's work, is that there are three, four, five right triangles encoded into the face on Mars. I can pull up a quick graphic if you want to see it. Yeah, please do. I'd like to also see the tetrahedron within a...
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Let's pull that up real quick. I've got that. I don't want to put you on the spot, but I want to see. I've got it right here. We can pull that up. Okay. So here you have a tetrahedron inscribed inside of a sphere. And so this latitude line going around is being intersected by these sort of base vertices of the tetrahedron. And that latitude would be 19.47 degrees.
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The other thing that's interesting is if you draw a straight line from A going straight down to the center of the base space. Any tetrahedron set in a sphere is going to be placed at 19.47. Yes, because a tetrahedron has got four equilateral triangles that creates it, and so that will always happen. Okay. Okay.
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And then if you draw a line from A, which would be at the apex there and go straight down, the angle from that line going straight down to one of the slant heights of one of the faces would also be 19.47. Well, I'll be. And so there's a lot of metric. There's a lot of on that line, huh?
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Yeah, and so a lot of these locations and the geometric connections within the Cydonia Plateau, which I don't have queued up right now, you can see that's sort of encoded there. And that work gets credited to Richard Hoagland. They wrote a great book along with Mike Barra, who I think was a Boeing aerospace engineer. They co-wrote a book together that came out in the mid-2000s called Dark Mission, and they touch on a lot of this work in that book. Take a look at it. Yeah. Is Hoagland still kicking?
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What's that? Is Hoagland still living? Yes, and I think he has a show that he does. I forget the name of his podcast, but he is. Have you invited him as a guest? I have not. No, I have not. But I do have a possible through line. Obviously, I would love to chat about him and his work. He's an absolute legend in this field. Yeah.
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And, you know, there are certain individuals out there that are operating on a high level that see things and have eyes for this stuff. And I think he fits cozy into that circle for sure. Oh, yeah. Here we go. The face. I wanted to show the geometric connections in this face because I find this very interesting. And, again, this is the work of Dr. Mark Carlotto. Let me know when you can see this picture here. Let me take a second to pop up.
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Okay, so this is what's known as the face on Mars, all right? And through enhancements, you actually have some right angles here when you do enhancements on this. And so it is a little bit more squared off than what this picture is showing. But what's interesting is when you encase this in this geometry, you get three, four, five right triangles repeating in here, okay? So you might think, all right, well, so what? Okay.
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Well, three, four, five right triangles, that's a Pythagorean triple, and it's one of the most stable triangles that we know about in the universe. And so if you were going to somehow communicate, if you were going to communicate intelligence and incorporate that into a seemingly humanoid-looking face, that would be a way that if anybody was looking
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you would be able to say there's intelligent life here. Now, if it is artificial, that that's, that's an elegant way of communicating that. And so I find that, man, I just find, I find some of the, you know, the right angles that you see that, you know, that Rogan exposed and that Brian Dobbs popularized, uh,
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I find those more compelling than that face. It's just kind of special pleading. It looked like a face, then it didn't. And then we're still kind of digging in on it. I mean, don't you get that feeling too? A hundred percent. Yeah. And so, you know, I'm not a hundred percent on this, but I do find it interesting that if it is artificial, that would have been a way to kind of get intelligent life's attention to say, hey, look, you know, you might want to check this area out.
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But yeah, and I agree with you that there are other structures on Mars that are compelling as well. So you mentioned the square feature that kind of went viral maybe 12 months ago by Joe Rogan because he pulled that up.
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Yeah, I mean, that structure, I believe, was found a while back. And I had George Haas on my show. We talked about that a little bit. I think that's about a mile. Each side of that square is about a mile long. And it does have seemingly right angles. So, you know...
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I think what all of this stuff does is it begs further inquiry and to eventually put human beings on Mars and to do a proper archaeological dig and see what's what. Yeah. Well, I am absolutely convinced that we found microbial life on Mars. And it just didn't go anywhere. It does suggest that Mars is more interesting than they're willing to allow and won't even give us our very first discovery when we first landed a rover there.
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and said we found life. I mean, it, it, it, it came up positive. That's one of the damnedest stories in all of science. Yes. But you're, you're referring to the label release test. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. And if you go back and see Brian Dobbs on my show, he goes through the whole thing, but, but Gil Levin, the lead researcher who was asked to put together the life detection equipment went to his grave saying, well, hell we found life.
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What am I supposed to do? They told me to come up with a life detection thing. It worked. And then they swept it under the rug. I think because there's just kind of a, even if it's not conspiratorial, I think there's some sociological barrier to bureaucracies actually getting done what the hell they're supposed to do. Yeah. I mean, when can they announce it? You know, when is it not false positives and they can never get there?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know when – yeah, because, I mean, look, if you say you've detected microbial life on Mars, that's a huge can of worms that you're now going to have to deal with, right? Right. God forbid you're wrong. And all the other mission planning changes. Sure. The implications are staggering, right? Mm-hmm.
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if you're in charge of getting things done, you don't want to deal with that until it's absolutely necessary. But it's also probably one of the most, it's probably the biggest significant discovery of all time that if you have life on another celestial body that's evolving there, even if it's microbial, I mean, that's huge news. Right. You make an interesting distinction saying that's absolutely necessary.
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It's not that they're announcing it because it's absolutely true. It would have to be absolutely true and necessary to tell us. Right. And they probably just don't feel that it's necessary to tell us.
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Right. Yeah. I mean, like, so, I mean, so if you have microbial life on there, it's going to, and you announced this, there's going to be a rallying cry to send more probes there, get people there to inspect this more, because then you've just opened up this new reality that possibly life is...
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pervasive, that it's in more places around the cosmos than we would suspect, and that some of that life has been evolving into intelligent life. And we know that there are stars out there that are far older.
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than our own star with planets around them by billions of years, not just like a few thousand years ahead of us, but by billions of years. We know this to be true. And so if life has evolved in those planets, possibly those civilizations have come and gone, possibly still around, possibly they spread out the cosmos and have –
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life on different planets. So I think we're just at the beginning of learning about ourselves and our relationship to this cosmos because I think that that history is probably much wilder than we've been taught. That's right, man. And they can learn more about it on your podcast, Curious Dimension. But folks have more coming from us in general.
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And yeah, I'm going to dance around it just a little bit, but do a very, very soft, I wouldn't call it an announcement. But, you know, FYI to folks that we are working on a new configuration of collaborators in this space and Matt and I have been included in it. And it's being headed by Beckett Fusick at Titan Corporation.
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who already represents a number of creators, everybody from Scott Walter to Randall, et cetera, and so forth. And we're all going to be working together on a new project. And me and Matt in particular, and maybe coming to you with regular information on these subjects in a regular standardized and also very well-produced format. So we look forward to, we look forward to that, right, Matt? We've got to come together. I thought the great intellectual conversational weaving that's going on.
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Yeah, absolutely. I think there's so much information coming out these days and all of these different topics that it's going to be important to have a place where you can curate and get quality information all at one spot. And so it's an exciting time to be involved in these topics and to learn about them. And yeah, I think we're just at the beginning of this.
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You're damn right, man. So people will be seeing more of you and I and in the relatively near future. Absolutely. Well, Matt, thank you very much for coming on. And thank you for your invitation to your podcast. Let's keep it going. Like I say, we're going to have a different format of dialogue coming up. So I want to invite you on for the next podcast because we'll probably be doing something a little bit different. We hope, right?
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I really appreciate that, George. It's always a pleasure to hang out with you and chat. Okay. Thanks a lot, brother. All right. Cheers.