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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clement Mungetala Show with me, Komuto Mudise.
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Speaker 2: I'm in for Clement this morning. Welcome.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in. We are coming live to you from the Gallagher Convention Centre. It is the IUC's National Results Operations Centre here. And I can tell you that we are on the floor here just in front of the leaderboard. And we have quite a view of what's going on here. Of course, it's the Friday edition of the show, but it's no regular Friday. It's the second day after the local government elections where South Africans went to the polls to go and vote. And there's lots to get through in terms of the results that are trickling in, as well as what the political parties are deciding to be their next move. It is proving, as the President Sir Ramaphosa had said, that this is a historic election. It's proving to potentially be a historic election based on the results and the numbers that we are seeing come through. And I can tell you that we're going to make sense of those as the morning progresses. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for tuning in. We've got quite a bit prepared for you. Of course, we start with the open line, which is what we start with on this show all the time. And of course, I want to hear your thoughts on the results that keep trickling in. 72% of the vote has been counted already. And a picture is being painted right here on the leaderboard of the IEC's Results Operations Centre. It's clear now to see what direction some areas are likely to take. What are your thoughts on these results so far? Of course, we've got some way to go, as the IEC has been saying. Nothing is final yet, but we'll make sense of the numbers that are available to us. But I want to hear from you in the open line. What are some of the surprises for you? What's caught your attention? I'm sure that the conversation around the elections and elections The data that's been coming through has been moving quite a bit wherever you are. And I'm certain that there are those surprises, you know, things that you were not sure would happen or didn't even think would happen. And they are happening now. I'll share some of my surprises in just a bit. So get in touch with us there. Also, I want to have a conversation around voter turnout in the open line and your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 2: The number to dial for the open line.
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Speaker 1: 011-883-0702-072-702-1702 if you want to send me a WhatsApp. From 10.05, it's across the desk, and we're going to be speaking about the coalition or the anatomy of coalition politics. And it's a conversation that we're having because, of course, this has become our reality now as a country. You know, several people that I spoke to on voting day had said that the one thing that they would like to ask political parties is that there should be no coalitions anymore They don't serve anyone.
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Speaker 2: They don't serve the country.
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you now that, you know, that doesn't seem like it will be possible. There are many metros and many municipalities, I should say, who are hung, which are hung. And, of course, there, where there's no outright winners, we're likely to see political parties having to work together. But coalition politics can be dirty. And in many instances, we've seen how they do not serve the people. So we have a conversation about the anatomy of these politics. For that conversation, we'll have Dr. Tina Nzor, who's a senior researcher from the University of Blavatsvart-Rusrand. Jonathan Mwakes, who is the director at the SABI Strategy Group. And we've got a Prof Yap de Visser. We're hoping to get him to join us for that conversation as well. He's from the Doula Omar Institute. And I want to hear from you. If you've been living in a place, of course, where you are being governed by a coalition.
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Speaker 2: How has that worked for you?
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Speaker 1: Are you experiencing the challenges that come with political parties having to work together? political parties that have to put their ideologies aside to make sure that you have your services? And how do you think going into the next coalition will fare for you in your municipality? Get in touch with us for that conversation as well. And then in the third hour of the show, usually we have the relationship feature at this time on a Friday, or we have the sex.
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Speaker 2: Feature at this time of Friday. of the show.
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Speaker 1: But of course, because this is no ordinary Friday, it is a special Friday in South Africa. We're going to be staying potentially with relationships, but it's the relationships, I should say, of politics, right? So the political parties, how are they working together during this time? But a conversation that I'm looking forward to is a conversation with an organization called the Political Campaigns Resources Hub. And they have a study, they've got data out on which political parties have been able to bring out their voters in numbers. Now, a conversation that's being had right here at the Result Operations Center in the corners here is that, of course, voters haven't been able to come. And the political parties that seem to be suffering in terms of the numbers are of the view that their voters just didn't come out.
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Speaker 2: They didn't come out. They did not vote.
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Speaker 1: And as a result, This is why the results are as they are. But what is it about the political parties that are able to get people to come out?
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Speaker 2: How do they do it?
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Speaker 1: You know, the SACP is an interesting one. They're contesting the local government elections for the first time on their own, and they've managed to garner some support. How have they been able to master that? So we have that conversation a little later on. That's in the third hour.
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Speaker 2: Of the show. That is the Clement Mungetala show today. We'd love to hear from you.
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Speaker 1: We are live from the Results Operations Center here at the Gallagher Convention Center, but we are still taking your calls and your WhatsApp. So get in touch with us. If you'd rather send me a WhatsApp, the number is 072-702-1702, or give me a call. I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm sure there's lots on your mind. The number is 011-883-0702. If you want to get in touch with me on X, my handle is at motor underscore Mudise. The team is here at the Gallagher Convention Centre, both Snazo and Ket are with me, the.
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Speaker 2: Producers of the show.
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Speaker 1: And, of course, from time to time, we will see whether they are political leaders, leaders of political parties who are making their way, making the rounds. I saw a little earlier Jordan Hill-Lewis, the DA's Jordan Hill-Lewis was here briefing the media. We just missed him, but I do think that we'll be able to get a sense of what he said in that briefing. Those briefings happen quite a bit here at the Gallagher Convention Centre. Also, the IEC may brief the media at some point during the show. And if that does happen, we'll take you straight there. This is the Clement Mungatela Show. Thank you so much for tuning in. Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Good morning. Live from the Results Operations Centre.
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Speaker 3: Follow the local government elections on 702.
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Speaker 1: So with many of the local government elections and elections just generally, we often have a conversation about the underdogs. the political parties that we just didn't see coming. And I don't know about you, but one of those political parties that I think have been surprising for me in this election is the SACP. They've, of course, decided to run or contest these elections outside of that ANC partnership. And they've done surprisingly well with limited resources. They've been able to make a mark in provinces, including the Eastern Cape and the Western Cape. I'm looking at the map right here on the leaderboard. And I look at the map with the colors more than I look at the numbers. And I think the colors tell a beautiful story about which political parties are featuring, which political parties are performing pretty well. And the color code here is that the SACP is that light shade of blue.
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Speaker 2: And I can see spots.
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Speaker 1: Of the SACP in the Western Cape, parts of the Western Cape. I can see what feels like a bit of a chunk in the Eastern Cape as well. And that speaks to how the political party was able to garner some support, significant support if you ask me, for a baby party that is contesting these elections. Now, I don't know what your thoughts are of that. What are your thoughts of a political party that really didn't have a lot of resources? We know that elections are about the money, being able to have the money to campaign in those areas, to run formidable campaigns. We speak about the DA's machinery when it comes to that. to this election campaign and how it seems, you know, it's paid off for them or it's paying off for them. But the SACP, it seems to me, has spoken or speaks to the people and has managed to convince the people in those areas that they are a party worth voting for. So those are some of, that's one of my surprises. Of course, Action Essay is also an interesting one because, you know, we see them perform pretty well during local government elections, not so much in the national elections. But in this run, Having Action SA in areas like Timbisa, resonating with communities in Deep Groove Soweto is another surprise for me. And perhaps I shouldn't be surprised because of Action SA's views when it comes to immigration politics and how the demonstrations have been in those areas around illegal immigration. But it's actually interesting to see how things are going here at the Results Operations Centre. I don't think we can say it's early days anymore. 72% of the vote has been counted. I think a picture is being formed here And I think we can tell or we can have a bit of a sense of how things are expected to go. I do see your calls coming in. In fact, let's take one of your calls. Maxwell, you are in Pretoria. Good morning, Max.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Pumusa, and thanks for taking my call. It's a very interesting thing.
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Speaker 5: I think for.
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Speaker 4: Panyas Alisufi, as a person who comes from Tunisia, he must be ashamed of himself. The issue of Action XA gaining ground, especially in the dominated area where the ANC was powerful, it says a lot about the people. And the people's sentiment for Muto must not rule this immigration out of the whole equation. And I hear a lot of callers that are wishing the combination works. of DA and Action SA, it will never work. Because look at Action SA, the people that they have recruited, and they are stand about immigration where the DA is saying anything. They are not to allocate what's against to Action SA because the people that Herman Mashaba recruited. to boost this party. And it's still going to surprise a lot of people in the location for Israel and Debiton. But I think DA in Pretoria will emerge number one, will win the whole situation because a lot of people in Sambath did register. But another point being last, Komuto, we must introduce a voter education. We can't count the people who didn't vote last. Compared to those who voted, I think we need to make sure that the next election, almost everybody comes out and raises their concerns. That's what will build this South Africa of ours.
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Speaker 1: One of the questions that was posed to the President Maxwell during his vote on the day that he voted is whether South Africa should consider, like other countries... potentially making voting compulsory, especially when we see these dismal numbers or these worrying numbers when it comes to voter turnout.
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Speaker 2: Is that something that you think could work?
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Speaker 5: I think it.
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Speaker 4: Could work if we can rally behind and make sure that each and everyone who's eligible to vote is going to go and vote. I think we can get a satisfying number that all of us and even getting this collusion situation away on the way, because It's destabilizing this situation. They don't even manage to pass budget. They are motion after emotion.
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Speaker 6: It's a very disturbing situation.
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Speaker 4: Whereas voters who are supposed to have one horse to lead us all. But yes, it may say and say a lot of political party to show the maturity of our democracy at the.
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Speaker 5: End of the day.
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Speaker 1: All right, Maxwell, thank you so much for your call. Thank you for that. That's Maxwell in Pretoria sharing his views. He's congratulating Action SA for how they've performed in Ekuruleni. And I can tell you that it's an interesting picture there in Ekuruleni. When Action SA announced Olani Kumalo and fielded him as a candidate for award there, I found that to be really interesting. And it was going to put to the test whether a popular TV star can resonate with the masses beyond his show. We know him from the show Sizok Tola, which is a crime-busting show. And we know that Ekoruleni really struggles with crime in that area. But, you know, I was really wondering and I wanted to see whether communities will believe that the likes of Okorani Kumalo could work for them beyond their TV shows. And I can tell you that it seems that the community there believes him. He has won in his ward as well. And I think Action SA should really give us a bit of a, you know, a story. I'd love to hear from Mohamed Mashaba about this election campaign in particular. I think the one point that's been pointed out by many people when it comes to action is that they have hinged their political campaign or their local government campaign on the immigration politics and it's paid off. Perhaps we should ask ourselves why that is the case. I think, you know, we've all been asking us South Africans, how do South Africans really feel about this? Is what we are seeing on the streets a representation of the country and what the country's sentiments are?
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Speaker 2: And I think from these.
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Speaker 1: Figures, you know, I think the story does tell that South Africans feel strongly about the immigration crisis so much that they would decide to vote in this way. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how things pan out there in Ekerele. And, of course, we are waiting for the numbers there to be finalized.
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Speaker 2: Let's take one of your WhatsApps. I do see them coming in.
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Speaker 7: Good morning, Ms.
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Speaker 8: Ong.
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Speaker 7: The one question that I would like to 702 listeners is why is it a sin, why is it taboo to vote for the DA as a black person? Well, I think the argument is that it's a white party. But why is it such a sin to vote for the DA whilst it's okay to send your children to white schools, former white schools in the form of former Model C.
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Speaker 2: Schools or even private schools?
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Speaker 7: Why is it okay to go to private hospitals like NEDC and others, or even to live in estates that are run by white homeowners associations. Why are the rules different when it comes to voting for the DA, which is said to be a white party? I don't understand really where the difference is. Kabelemjin Pretoria.
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Speaker 9: Hi, Khoemoto. So far, so good. I hope it continues like it does right now. But here is what I would like to say concerning Action SA. The South African people voted for them and the DA because they want to remove the ANC from power and seek good governance. So it would be good for them to swallow their pride and work with the DA. If they choose to work with the ANC, that would be the biggest betrayal for those that voted for them.
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Speaker 2: But it will be their choice. But come the national elections, they will see dust.
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Speaker 9: Those votes will be converted to DA, like mine in 2029. Just an honest warning, Peter from Fort Lawrence.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for those voice notes.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that the DA has done a lot to try to shake off the perception that they are a white party. They've really gone to lengths and some of their... Their attempts to do so, I think, have failed. They failed dismally. The projects that they've tried, they have failed. We also know and we speak of a black caucus within the DA, which again feeds, you know, the idea and the perception that it's the white DA against the black DA. But I think that, you know, when I was speaking to people on the ground as I was covering the elections on the voting day, many people are saying we have to put our ideologies aside, you know. One lady said to me, I voted for this party that I never imagined I would ever vote for in my life. And that for me was so powerful. She said, you know, I never dreamed I would have to. And she even said that she felt that she was being made to vote for the DA because of just how bad things were and things are in the city of Johannesburg. And I think we're at the point now where people are Slowly, you know, moving the ideologies aside, you know, of course, the conversation continues. Many people who, quote unquote, you know, are perceived to be woke, that people will say are woke, you know, will still raise the flags around the DA based on their performance, not just in the Western Cape. We've already had two DA mayors here in Johannesburg. So the DA is not new to us here in Johannesburg. But I think many people, you know, will point to the very glaring problems in the Western Cape. And point out how even though what seems to be a great PR campaign by the DA of showing a Western Cape that really, really works, there are parts of the Western Cape that truly don't work. And that's the reality of DA leadership. But I think Joe Burgers are willing to find out once more. I think that's where the people of the city of Johannesburg are. That, listen, we've tasted how bad things can get now. And we want to, you know, we're happy to go again and find out what's happening with the DA. Of course, that's based on the numbers currently. Things can change. I must keep saying that. Things can change and they are likely to change. And I think we'll go through the CSIR predictions right now so that we get a sense of how much they are likely to change. But let's go back to the phone lines. Koke, so you are on the East Rand.
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Speaker 2: Good morning. Yes, morning, Komoto.
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Speaker 10: And thank you so much for your analysis. And yeah, I think it's a very good analysis about this election, right? But I just also wanted to add to say I don't find it very surprising that people voted for Action SA. And I love the point you make around ideologies, right? To say what are people's ideologies?
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Speaker 5: I think.
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Speaker 10: What we've seen in the past 30 odd years is people almost being told what their ideology should be and not actually being asked, like, what ideology do you subscribe to? What do you believe in?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 10: They were told, no, you must believe in a socialist ideology or a communist ideology. And I think that's also boxing people into things that don't make sense, right? I mean, if you look at, for instance, Soweto. Soweto has a lot of thriving small businesses, right?
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Speaker 11: So.
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Speaker 10: Obviously, Mashaba's message is going to resonate with those people because there are business people, there's been business people, even in apartheid, even way before apartheid, there were business people who were thriving, right? And I saw now in the election campaign, the DA's election, where there's a guy who talks about how he just wants jobs and, you know, he went and visited his brother in Cape Town and there's jobs there and he just wants that. And for me, that's also, you know, it was indicative of the DA, like why some people couldn't reconcile themselves to vote for the DA. Because for them, they don't see African people as business owners. They see them just as workers and as laborers.
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Speaker 11: You know.
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Speaker 10: Whereas with African people, African people have business people. They have people who've been ostracized. businesses, some for many, many decades, you know, through the difficulties of colonialism, apartheid, and they continue. So I honestly think Action SA is giving people that viable option of, growing an African business class in South Africa and making it a serious African business class. Because South Africa, unlike other African countries, if you look at, for instance, Nigeria, Nigeria has serious African business people that are there. Zimbabwe, likewise, has serious African business people that are owning the economy. And we've been talking about this for a very long time to say, Political freedom was delivered in 1994, but it didn't translate to economic freedom, you know? So people are still trying to say, let's fetch the economic freedom part of this and really empower ourselves as African business people to build viable businesses. I mean, Komoto, if you look at the past 32 years, what viable businesses has the ANC built for African people that you can actually point to at the top of your head that are sustainable?
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Speaker 1: Well, perhaps.
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Speaker 10: You know, I hear you could get.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. Look, I don't think that the ANC is in the business of building businesses, but I hear what you mean, you know, creating the environment under the ANC government, right, for black businesses to thrive. And you're right, that's exactly what Action SA is offering, you know, and is saying they are going to be doing for the people. Thank you so much for your call. Thank you for that call. Thank you for that analysis. I think You're absolutely correct when you speak about, you know, businesses and what this means for business owners in Johannesburg. The immigration conversation moves beyond just not wanting people to be in the area. A big part of it is hinged on the economy, the economy in townships. And that's why we're seeing things play out the way that they are, if you ask me, particularly in Tembisa, in Soweto, in Kipklow. You know, being a former resident of Soweto myself, I can tell you, that the conversation that we still have to this day, that people still have in Soweto to this day, is that they want to take back this pasar shop economy.
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Speaker 2: We've heard it over and over again.
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Speaker 1: And Action SA has positioned itself as a party that encourages that and says that they're going to do something about that in the form of bylaws and however else they're able to do.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 1: I think you can attribute what seems to be successful Action SA to their immigration politics.
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Speaker 2: We're taking more of your calls and your WhatsApps.
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Speaker 1: On the WhatsApp line, someone says, my thoughts with this election are, how are parties that are well known for corruption and looting allowed to carry on regardless without accountability? Places are rotting. We have no state-run enterprises running anymore.
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Speaker 2: No railways.
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Speaker 1: How do people not see this? Well, firstly, we can't hold the political parties. We can't take them to court. What we should be taking are their leaders if they are found to be corrupt. But hey, my thoughts, and that's from Aliki. My thoughts, Aliki, are that I don't think South Africans... hate corruption as much as they say they do. If they continue to vote for corrupt people, then the truth is you don't hate corruption as much as you.
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Speaker 2: Say you do.
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Speaker 1: It sounds very fancy to say out with the corrupt, out with the thieves. But if your vote doesn't show that, if you still vote for people that you know are implicated in corruption, then perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask yourself, do I hate corruption.
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Speaker 2: As much as I say I do? It's 9.50. Live from the Results Operations Center.
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Speaker 1: Follow the local government elections on 702.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is the Clement Minyatala Show.
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Speaker 1: My name is Khumus Omudise in for Clement this morning. We are live from the Gallagher Convention Centre. We're at the Results Operations Centre.
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Speaker 2: Of the IEC.
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Speaker 1: And I am on the ground here. That is just before the leaderboard. And I can tell you that 73% of the vote has been counted.
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Speaker 2: A picture is being formed here.
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Speaker 1: On the map, we can see all the colors on the map of which political parties are being represented in which place. It's an interesting picture that's been painted here. We are hoping to hear from the IEC, hopefully during the show, maybe a little later, to give the latest update on the counting process, the vote counting process.
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Speaker 2: Still a way to go.
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Speaker 1: Still quite a bit that needs to be done. Nothing is final yet. And as you know, things can change in a heartbeat when it comes to politics. But we already have a sense of what certain parts of the country look like. For example, if you take a look at KZN, there is a lot more pink in KZN than anything else. And that speaks to the MK Party making a significant mark there. So on this map, the MK Party's color is pink. It's like a hot pink. And you can see them right on the map there showing a significant presence there. Already you can tell. that a couple of wards there have already gone to the MK Party. When you look at Gauteng, which is, of course, our smaller province right there, there's a whole lot of yellow that's presented there, which shows the DA, of course. That is corroborated by the numbers that are also being flashed on the screen here. So there's a lot of yellow being represented on the map, showing the DA making its mark there, as well as a bit of green, which is the ANC, and a bit of burgundy, which speaks to Action SA's presence there.
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Speaker 2: In terms of the numbers.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to Gauteng, I'm going to move a little closer so I can read them for you. The ANC coming in currently at 21.4%. That is in Gauteng. The DA is at 34.5%. So they are leading currently. They've been maintaining a strong lead actually here. And we've got Action SA at 17%. That's what the numbers currently look like for Gauteng. For the Free State, the ANC seems to be still holding on there. They are still leading, maintaining their lead at 37.5%. The Democratic Alliance is at 27.5%. And the EFF, which actually, you know, has been an interesting party to watch this local government election, they are at 8.1% in the free state. It's interesting to see how the EFF is actually not in the top three in many of the provinces, according to the data that's being shown on the screen for now. It's important to say for now. And this picture is likely to change quite a bit. We're taking your calls and we're taking your WhatsApps. This is, of course, the 702 open line on the Clement Manyatala show. I'm certain that many of you want to weigh in on those parties that are making quite a bit of progress and the parties that have become very, very surprising for you. So let's go to the phone lines and let's take a call from Andre.
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Speaker 2: You are in Pretoria. Good morning. Hi, Andre. Good morning.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I think we're having a bit of a challenge with the lines there. All right, we're going to try and get Andre back on the line. But maybe I do see some of your WhatsApp messages also coming. So let's take a WhatsApp here. Simon says, I voted the ANC and will always do so. But this time around, they must... I think they might... Okay, I need to read this properly. I mean... It is technology that is showing us a bit of flames here.
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Speaker 2: They must swallow their pride. There we go, Simon.
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Speaker 1: But this time around, they must swallow their pride and choose to occupy opposition benches. They need to focus more on their renewal going into 2029. I believe they can come back stronger if they use the current national position to serve our people better.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Simon. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Do you think the ANC has come to terms with the very clear possibility and likelihood that that they may have to occupy the opposition benches in parts of the country, in several parts of the country. Do you think, you know, that they've accepted that? That that is the likelihood? That's not the sense that I was getting from them. From the press briefing yesterday by Nom Bulamukonyane, who is the Deputy Secretary General, it seems they still have a lot of hope that things will turn and start looking better for them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not.
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Speaker 1: The only one, Simon, who says they need to prepare to occupy opposition benches. I think in many parts of the country, especially in places where there isn't an outright winner, they will still be in government, but they will be, of course, part.
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Speaker 2: Of a coalition.
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Speaker 1: And I think that these coalitions have shown us just how messy they can be over the last few years.
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Speaker 2: We're going to try again with the phone lines. Andre in Pretoria. Good morning. Can you hear us now?
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Speaker 5: Good morning. Thank you for taking my call. You know, as a As a colored guy that voted.
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Speaker 12: For the ANC, the ruling party, the first three elections or so, I would think, you know, we were disillusioned by them.
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Speaker 5: We were lied to by them.
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Speaker 12: I think the people of South Africa are becoming mature voters. And so we're not voting along party lines, along ideologies anymore.
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Speaker 5: We have now seen the corruption. We have seen the negligence. We have seen the.
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Speaker 5: And the South African.
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Speaker 12: Voters are saying enough with that.
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Speaker 5: We are mature now.
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Speaker 12: Now we are entering a new phase of South African, not just politics, but reality. The people in the street aren't concerned about politics. We want running water that doesn't send us to hospitals. We want electricity that is secure, you know. And so the people are looking for accountability. They're looking for leadership, ethical leadership. And so now what you're seeing is not just the decline of the ANC. I would argue you're seeing a maturity and a fighting back of the South African people saying, you know what, we want change. We don't want corruption anymore. And I think this is an opportunity, a golden opportunity for the DA. to become more than just an opposition party, but to say to the people of South Africa, we are now fighting and building a society for all.
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Speaker 5: We are going to move away from this.
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Speaker 12: Window dressing of seemingly white traditionalist party but now we're going to fight for the people of South Africa you know so I think there's an opportunity now for the DA to show that our vote wasn't wasted because out like the previous caller said the national elections will come and will punish you even more Yeah, but.
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Speaker 2: Andre, allow me to come in there.
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Speaker 1: Allow me to come in there because this wouldn't be the first time. If we were to have a DA Mayor in Johannesburg, this wouldn't be our first time with a DA Mayor. This would be our third DA Mayor. And we didn't see all these promises that are being promised now. We didn't see that as the city of Joburg. So what's going to change this time?
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Speaker 5: So, I'm an analytical person. So in the past, the ANC were in charge and the DA had to take second fiddle to make up the numbers. Now, in front of you, that leaderboard has shown that the people of South Africa are giving the DA the chance to be the leader. The ANC are now, they're pulling up the numbers. Am I right? Because the board will tell you that. The AAC are pulling up the numbers and the DA now have majority votes and majority seats and majority ward seats and majority representation. That is the factual, truthful difference that that board shows you in front of you. So now the DA can rule the room to say, we want this, we are standing for this, we want water, we want... et cetera, et cetera. So in the past, they weren't in the position. They didn't have the majority to put their weight down. Now they must show us. They must show us now they can put their weight down because we have given them the numbers. We have backed them. And they mustn't waste this opportunity because we will punish them if they waste this opportunity. So they have been given the lead. That board will show you. The DA in Suwannee, the DA in Joburg, will have no excuses because they've got the numbers backing them.
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Speaker 1: Do you agree with me?
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Speaker 2: All right then, Andre. Let's leave it there. Yeah, let's leave it there.
00:31:48
Speaker 1: I mean, I have my views about that, but thank you for sharing yours there.
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Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: That's Andre from Pretoria. Of course, we cannot ignore the fact that in the Western Cape, the picture is not rosy. It really isn't rosy. And I think the DA knows that it's not rosy. That's why Helen Zillow has been quoted as saying that there's better services in Kailisha than there are in Sandton. I think that's what she said. I'm paraphrasing there. Because she understands that, you know, the areas like Kailija are still a major concern for the Democratic Alliance. And when people in Johannesburg raise the concern that they feel they are afraid that their townships will be neglected. Because say what you will about Johannesburg townships, but I think many of Joburg townships are doing really, really well in comparison to some that I've seen in the Western Cape. And so when the people of Joburg say, listen, we are concerned that we might find ourselves in a very messy situation when the DA is at the helm here in Johannesburg, I think that concern is very valid.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: Let's take another call. Lucy, you are in Johannesburg. Good morning.
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Speaker 4: Good morning to you so much.
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Speaker 13: I disagree. I think that we obviously are the only ones who can actually try and put this place together. And all these people have got to realise they have to go into coalition government, whether they like it or not. And they're not there for themselves. They're there for the people and for the poor and the needy. That's what's got to me. I cannot begin to believe how 400 councillors in Joghurt have allowed the hand of God to get like it is. It is just diabolical and a disgrace. And they've got to learn to work together because they're not there for themselves and their own pockets. They've destroyed the country. And how people can vote for the MK party is beyond me because they're all renegades. It's unreal. If somebody said a politician should be elected, give them the money for the urban budget, you won't see it again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Lucy, why do you think, so why do you think the DA is going to take care of Johannesburg or Pretoria townships If Lange, if Kaya Leach are in the state that they're in in Cape Town?
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Speaker 13: Well, the point is that they have to. And that's what they've got to learn to do also. I actually voted for Cyril Ramaphosa last time. I'm a protagonist of him. And I actually dread the day that he goes. Because I think he's really a good politician.
00:34:23
Speaker 14: He's global.
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Speaker 13: He's well-known in the world.
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Speaker 4: He's a negotiator.
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Speaker 13: But he lives between a rock and a hard place. And I know that thirst he needs. Anyway, they will do it. They have to do it. And they must be forced to do it by the people, too. We must stand up and say.
00:34:42
Speaker 5: It's not good.
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Speaker 1: So would you be willing to vote the DA out if they don't serve the townships in Johannesburg?
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Speaker 6: Yes, I would.
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Speaker 13: I voted them out last time. I voted for the ANC. Yes, I would. I want for the people. I'm okay. But look at what's going on in the townships, et cetera, here. I mean, it's a disgrace. They live among sewer. There's no water. There's no life.
00:35:10
Speaker 10: It's a disgrace.
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Speaker 13: Where's the money? Where's the money that they've had to do? They've never fixed a thing. If I bought a brand-new car in 1994 and had it now and never serviced it, what do you think it would look like? That's what's happened. They have not. even bothered to maintain anything. And we haven't, I haven't suffered, but the poor and the needy have suffered. And the other thing is, everybody talks about unemployment. It's not unemployment.
00:35:38
Speaker 2: It's economy.
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Speaker 13: We've got to get the economy right and the employment will come. That's the only way this country is going to move. We have to get the economy right.
00:35:51
Speaker 2: All right, Lucy, thank you so much for your call.
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Lucy.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Listen, I think that's very interesting because Lucy says the DA will take care of townships in Joburg because they simply have to. I think they have to take care of townships in the Western Cape as well. I feel strongly about that. And it seems they aren't much. But, you know, listen, if Johannesburg believes, and from the numbers that are coming in, Johannesburg believes it's worth taking that risk, then I think it's important to allow this to happen Of course, this is, you know, a democratic process. And if enough of us in this province feel so strong about this, then, of course, this is what needs to happen. But I do think that the concerns that people have outside of ideology, you know, I spoke yesterday to Umpila Maudo from the EFF, who said at this point, local government elections are not about ideology. And I think she's echoing the sentiments of many people and many of the voters outside of ideology. The one thing about the Democratic Alliance, and any political party, really, I should say, is whether they will be able to provide services at a local government level. And I think the people of Kailitsa, the people of Myanga, the people of Langa, have a different story to tell.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a call from Tembile. You are in Centurion. Good morning.
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Speaker 6: Good morning, Komuto.
00:37:08
Speaker 12: How are you?
00:37:09
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Thank you for holding. Please go ahead.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Komuto.
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Speaker 6: Two callers.
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Speaker 3: There is a caller that asked the question, why is it taboo for a black person to vote for D.A.? And DA is anti-transformation. Anti-transformation. We know it and we don't even have to argue about that. Helen Dilla, a couple of years ago, did say that colonization was not that bad.
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Speaker 14: Am I right?
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Speaker 3: We have infrastructure, this and that.
00:37:35
Speaker 6: She did say it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she did.
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Speaker 6: Helen Dilla said that.
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Speaker 3: Number two, where is Lindiwa Mazibu go today? Where is Musi Maimane today? Where is Herman Mashaba today? Where is the black leadership, strong leadership in the DA? DA, they are voting the Western Cape.
00:37:54
Speaker 6: Fortunately, I stay in St.
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Speaker 12: Huron, but I was born in Cape Town.
00:37:57
Speaker 6: My mother stays in Waland. When you talk about Cape Town, I.
00:37:59
Speaker 3: Know what I'm talking about. Now we want to come and talk as if Helen Zilla can do something.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: For Joe Biden.
00:38:04
Speaker 6: What has he done for Lange? What has he done for New Cross? What has he done for Kylie Jenner?
00:38:08
Speaker 3: She's saying that Kylie Jenner's got a better budget or has done better than Fenty.
00:38:13
Speaker 10: That's a lie.
00:38:15
Speaker 6: That's a lie. They've not done anything for black people in Cape Town.
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Speaker 3: And they are not going to do anything, any good things for black people in Johannesburg.
00:38:24
Speaker 6: Because you know what?
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Speaker 10: It's not their priority.
00:38:27
Speaker 6: Let me make an example for you. In Cape Town, Western Cape Town. they've been getting a.
00:38:32
Speaker 3: Majority of almost 60% of the vote. Am I right?
00:38:35
Speaker 6: Over 50%. That 50% comes.
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Speaker 3: From coloreds and blacks. Majority comes from them. Going to the colored area, going to the townships. When have you ever seen a colored mayor other than Patricia Dillon, who was not from D.A.? Give me one colored mayor in the Western Cape. The guys who got the most votes, give me one colored mayor that has been.
00:38:58
Speaker 8: From the D.A., No.
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Speaker 3: They don't see black and colored in the top leadership structure. Why does this guy from Pretoria, what's his name, from DA, why did he get that position instead of the current leader of the DA now, the young one? You will never get senior people in meaningful position in the DA because you know why?
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Speaker 5: They just use them.
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Speaker 6: For their vote.
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Speaker 3: They will never do anything for black people.
00:39:22
Speaker 4: I'm happy that these.
00:39:23
Speaker 3: Ones in Jobbik, they voted for them. They must see what's going to happen in the next three, four years.
00:39:29
Speaker 2: Tamila, thank you so much for your call. That's Tamila in St.
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Speaker 6: Shiri.
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Speaker 1: And he says, hey, you must see what's going to happen to you. Let's go to Mandela. Okay, you're in four ways.
00:39:38
Speaker 2: Good morning.
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Speaker 11: Thank you so much. I just want to say... It's not like the South African, I mean, the job that black people in townships have voted for DA. Of course, the middle class have voted for DA and the people in the suburban areas have voted for DA.
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Speaker 15: I have a family in Dipslot. I was asking my family and they didn't have water for a week. They didn't have time to go and vote in these elections. They had to go and fetch water very, very far. So I was voting in four ways, seed, crawford trap, and I could see the coordinated voting for the aid. And so much money has been poured in this campaign. I thought it was going to be worse than it is now. I thought Helen Zilla was going to win it without a coalition.
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Speaker 14: So Yeah, it's because of another thing, that it's because of the black township people, they don't see these elections as important as the national elections.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's another elephant.
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Speaker 14: In the room. Perhaps it's being able.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's drawing a distinction, and I completely understand that psyche. It's drawing a distinction between I need these services. You know, something I said, Mandi, like the other day is that these local government elections are happening when we are in the heart of a crisis in Johannesburg. And I know that politicians like to say it's not a crisis, but not being able to take a bath or a shower for days is a crisis. Living in a house or in a yard with uncollected refuse for weeks is a crisis. And I think there is a distinction between what can be done for us at local government and who can do it and what we need as a nation at a national level and who can do that.
00:41:43
Speaker 2: I think that's where we are, no?
00:41:45
Speaker 15: Yes, and I just want to say this before I drop. The other corner was chatting about an essay that they should.
00:41:58
Speaker 15: Partner with DA and they lead Johannesburg or else they will be punished. That sounds like a DA voter, you know. So shouldn't be threatening Action SA. You should threaten your.
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Speaker 14: DA because it is DA.
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Speaker 15: That is going to bring ANC. Action SA refused to be in the GNU and the DA refused. they have close ties with ANC. Now they're going to use ANC again just to skip this hill so that they can lead. Because I heard Ellen Ziller doesn't have appetite for many parties. And I think the option that they have is to partner with ANC.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:42:43
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Jordan Hill Lewis did say a short while ago that they are entering these negotiations with a lot of humility.
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Speaker 2: So perhaps.
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Speaker 1: It will be an interesting outcome to note once the coalition talks All right, that's Tempile and Centurion. Thank you so much for your call. Yeah, many of you are expressing really interesting views about the future of the DA in Johannesburg. Of course, a caller earlier, I believe it may have been, was it Andre? No, I don't think it was Andre. There was a caller earlier who pointed out, you know, and made questions and asked questions about the DA's leadership and the decisions that they make. I think it was Patricia DeLille. Was it Patricia DeLille?
00:43:22
Speaker 2: Who was a DA when she was mayor.
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Speaker 1: So there is, we do see, you know, some of those, you know, black people, colored people there.
00:43:30
Speaker 2: But I do think that they do have.
00:43:32
Speaker 1: That stigma that they are not for black leadership is not going to leave them. That mark is not going to leave at any time soon. And if you ask me, while we still have conversations about a black caucus, in the DA, then, you know, that problem will persist forever because it speaks to a white party that has a black caucus. Okay, I think we've got a minute or so to take some of your voice notes. So let's do so.
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Speaker 16: Good morning, 702 lenders. I'm Charmaine from Midrand. I'd just like to say, can we put the hate aside? This country is going to be fixed by Blacks, whites, Indians, colours. The sooner we get that, the better for our country and our nation.
00:44:23
Speaker 8: Have a good day. Yes, good morning, Hamotso, Tara and Rando.
00:44:27
Speaker 7: That voice note was brilliant.
00:44:30
Speaker 8: When he questioned why is it taboo to vote for the DEA if you're actually not going to carry it through all the way through.
00:44:37
Speaker 2: Think about Mahatma Gandhi. He was a great example.
00:44:42
Speaker 3: He stood up for something, but he lived the life. So why would you live the life or not live the life and then make something taboo like voting for the DA?
00:44:53
Speaker 5: So what a brilliant message. I just want to condone him. What a great mind that man had.
00:44:57
Speaker 8: Did you see the EFF? Who's called up the EFF?
00:44:59
Speaker 12: It's the owner.
00:45:09
Speaker 5: Who's building the EFF? It's Malema.
00:45:12
Speaker 12: Malema is the one who built the EFF, and Malema is the one who destroyed their own part.
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Speaker 11: So we are happy. So DA can do some other changes.
00:45:24
Speaker 14: We are tired about the ANC, to be honest.
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Speaker 12: S & A is fighting.
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Speaker 15: If we blast from Navarre.
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Speaker 2: Hi, Homogeneity.
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Speaker 8: With regard to SA Communist Party, don't you think that the people who voted for them could have voted for the ANC or they could have boycotted the ANC? So I don't think that is more about a marketing strategy or a communication strategy from the SA Communist Party.
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Speaker 2: Devadun Pakwe, thank you so much for those voice notes. And thank you for me.
00:46:03
Speaker 1: And of course, it's a conversation that we're going to have at least until Sunday. And even afterwards, Sunday, we're expecting the results for the local government elections to be out. And I can tell you that the picture just keeps being developed.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clement Mungetala Show with me, Komuto Mudise.
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Speaker 2: I'm in for Clement this morning. Welcome.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in. We are coming live to you from the Gallagher Convention Centre. It is the IUC's National Results Operations Centre here. And I can tell you that we are on the floor here just in front of the leaderboard. And we have quite a view of what's going on here. Of course, it's the Friday edition of the show, but it's no regular Friday. It's the second day after the local government elections where South Africans went to the polls to go and vote. And there's lots to get through in terms of the results that are trickling in, as well as what the political parties are deciding to be their next move. It is proving, as the President Sir Ramaphosa had said, that this is a historic election. It's proving to potentially be a historic election based on the results and the numbers that we are seeing come through. And I can tell you that we're going to make sense of those as the morning progresses. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for tuning in. We've got quite a bit prepared for you. Of course, we start with the open line, which is what we start with on this show all the time. And of course, I want to hear your thoughts on the results that keep trickling in. 72% of the vote has been counted already. And a picture is being painted right here on the leaderboard of the IEC's Results Operations Centre. It's clear now to see what direction some areas are likely to take. What are your thoughts on these results so far? Of course, we've got some way to go, as the IEC has been saying. Nothing is final yet, but we'll make sense of the numbers that are available to us. But I want to hear from you in the open line. What are some of the surprises for you? What's caught your attention? I'm sure that the conversation around the elections and elections The data that's been coming through has been moving quite a bit wherever you are. And I'm certain that there are those surprises, you know, things that you were not sure would happen or didn't even think would happen. And they are happening now. I'll share some of my surprises in just a bit. So get in touch with us there. Also, I want to have a conversation around voter turnout in the open line and your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 2: The number to dial for the open line.
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Speaker 1: 011-883-0702-072-702-1702 if you want to send me a WhatsApp. From 10.05, it's across the desk, and we're going to be speaking about the coalition or the anatomy of coalition politics. And it's a conversation that we're having because, of course, this has become our reality now as a country. You know, several people that I spoke to on voting day had said that the one thing that they would like to ask political parties is that there should be no coalitions anymore They don't serve anyone.
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Speaker 2: They don't serve the country.
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you now that, you know, that doesn't seem like it will be possible. There are many metros and many municipalities, I should say, who are hung, which are hung. And, of course, there, where there's no outright winners, we're likely to see political parties having to work together. But coalition politics can be dirty. And in many instances, we've seen how they do not serve the people. So we have a conversation about the anatomy of these politics. For that conversation, we'll have Dr. Tina Nzor, who's a senior researcher from the University of Blavatsvart-Rusrand. Jonathan Mwakes, who is the director at the SABI Strategy Group. And we've got a Prof Yap de Visser. We're hoping to get him to join us for that conversation as well. He's from the Doula Omar Institute. And I want to hear from you. If you've been living in a place, of course, where you are being governed by a coalition.
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Speaker 2: How has that worked for you?
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Speaker 1: Are you experiencing the challenges that come with political parties having to work together? political parties that have to put their ideologies aside to make sure that you have your services? And how do you think going into the next coalition will fare for you in your municipality? Get in touch with us for that conversation as well. And then in the third hour of the show, usually we have the relationship feature at this time on a Friday, or we have the sex.
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Speaker 2: Feature at this time of Friday. of the show.
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Speaker 1: But of course, because this is no ordinary Friday, it is a special Friday in South Africa. We're going to be staying potentially with relationships, but it's the relationships, I should say, of politics, right? So the political parties, how are they working together during this time? But a conversation that I'm looking forward to is a conversation with an organization called the Political Campaigns Resources Hub. And they have a study, they've got data out on which political parties have been able to bring out their voters in numbers. Now, a conversation that's being had right here at the Result Operations Center in the corners here is that, of course, voters haven't been able to come. And the political parties that seem to be suffering in terms of the numbers are of the view that their voters just didn't come out.
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Speaker 2: They didn't come out. They did not vote.
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Speaker 1: And as a result, This is why the results are as they are. But what is it about the political parties that are able to get people to come out?
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Speaker 2: How do they do it?
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Speaker 1: You know, the SACP is an interesting one. They're contesting the local government elections for the first time on their own, and they've managed to garner some support. How have they been able to master that? So we have that conversation a little later on. That's in the third hour.
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Speaker 2: Of the show. That is the Clement Mungetala show today. We'd love to hear from you.
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Speaker 1: We are live from the Results Operations Center here at the Gallagher Convention Center, but we are still taking your calls and your WhatsApp. So get in touch with us. If you'd rather send me a WhatsApp, the number is 072-702-1702, or give me a call. I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm sure there's lots on your mind. The number is 011-883-0702. If you want to get in touch with me on X, my handle is at motor underscore Mudise. The team is here at the Gallagher Convention Centre, both Snazo and Ket are with me, the.
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Speaker 2: Producers of the show.
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Speaker 1: And, of course, from time to time, we will see whether they are political leaders, leaders of political parties who are making their way, making the rounds. I saw a little earlier Jordan Hill-Lewis, the DA's Jordan Hill-Lewis was here briefing the media. We just missed him, but I do think that we'll be able to get a sense of what he said in that briefing. Those briefings happen quite a bit here at the Gallagher Convention Centre. Also, the IEC may brief the media at some point during the show. And if that does happen, we'll take you straight there. This is the Clement Mungatela Show. Thank you so much for tuning in. Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Good morning. Live from the Results Operations Centre.
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Speaker 3: Follow the local government elections on 702.
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Speaker 1: So with many of the local government elections and elections just generally, we often have a conversation about the underdogs. the political parties that we just didn't see coming. And I don't know about you, but one of those political parties that I think have been surprising for me in this election is the SACP. They've, of course, decided to run or contest these elections outside of that ANC partnership. And they've done surprisingly well with limited resources. They've been able to make a mark in provinces, including the Eastern Cape and the Western Cape. I'm looking at the map right here on the leaderboard. And I look at the map with the colors more than I look at the numbers. And I think the colors tell a beautiful story about which political parties are featuring, which political parties are performing pretty well. And the color code here is that the SACP is that light shade of blue.
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Speaker 2: And I can see spots.
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Speaker 1: Of the SACP in the Western Cape, parts of the Western Cape. I can see what feels like a bit of a chunk in the Eastern Cape as well. And that speaks to how the political party was able to garner some support, significant support if you ask me, for a baby party that is contesting these elections. Now, I don't know what your thoughts are of that. What are your thoughts of a political party that really didn't have a lot of resources? We know that elections are about the money, being able to have the money to campaign in those areas, to run formidable campaigns. We speak about the DA's machinery when it comes to that. to this election campaign and how it seems, you know, it's paid off for them or it's paying off for them. But the SACP, it seems to me, has spoken or speaks to the people and has managed to convince the people in those areas that they are a party worth voting for. So those are some of, that's one of my surprises. Of course, Action Essay is also an interesting one because, you know, we see them perform pretty well during local government elections, not so much in the national elections. But in this run, Having Action SA in areas like Timbisa, resonating with communities in Deep Groove Soweto is another surprise for me. And perhaps I shouldn't be surprised because of Action SA's views when it comes to immigration politics and how the demonstrations have been in those areas around illegal immigration. But it's actually interesting to see how things are going here at the Results Operations Centre. I don't think we can say it's early days anymore. 72% of the vote has been counted. I think a picture is being formed here And I think we can tell or we can have a bit of a sense of how things are expected to go. I do see your calls coming in. In fact, let's take one of your calls. Maxwell, you are in Pretoria. Good morning, Max.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Pumusa, and thanks for taking my call. It's a very interesting thing.
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Speaker 5: I think for.
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Speaker 4: Panyas Alisufi, as a person who comes from Tunisia, he must be ashamed of himself. The issue of Action XA gaining ground, especially in the dominated area where the ANC was powerful, it says a lot about the people. And the people's sentiment for Muto must not rule this immigration out of the whole equation. And I hear a lot of callers that are wishing the combination works. of DA and Action SA, it will never work. Because look at Action SA, the people that they have recruited, and they are stand about immigration where the DA is saying anything. They are not to allocate what's against to Action SA because the people that Herman Mashaba recruited. to boost this party. And it's still going to surprise a lot of people in the location for Israel and Debiton. But I think DA in Pretoria will emerge number one, will win the whole situation because a lot of people in Sambath did register. But another point being last, Komuto, we must introduce a voter education. We can't count the people who didn't vote last. Compared to those who voted, I think we need to make sure that the next election, almost everybody comes out and raises their concerns. That's what will build this South Africa of ours.
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Speaker 1: One of the questions that was posed to the President Maxwell during his vote on the day that he voted is whether South Africa should consider, like other countries... potentially making voting compulsory, especially when we see these dismal numbers or these worrying numbers when it comes to voter turnout.
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Speaker 2: Is that something that you think could work?
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Speaker 5: I think it.
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Speaker 4: Could work if we can rally behind and make sure that each and everyone who's eligible to vote is going to go and vote. I think we can get a satisfying number that all of us and even getting this collusion situation away on the way, because It's destabilizing this situation. They don't even manage to pass budget. They are motion after emotion.
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Speaker 6: It's a very disturbing situation.
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Speaker 4: Whereas voters who are supposed to have one horse to lead us all. But yes, it may say and say a lot of political party to show the maturity of our democracy at the.
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Speaker 5: End of the day.
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Speaker 1: All right, Maxwell, thank you so much for your call. Thank you for that. That's Maxwell in Pretoria sharing his views. He's congratulating Action SA for how they've performed in Ekuruleni. And I can tell you that it's an interesting picture there in Ekuruleni. When Action SA announced Olani Kumalo and fielded him as a candidate for award there, I found that to be really interesting. And it was going to put to the test whether a popular TV star can resonate with the masses beyond his show. We know him from the show Sizok Tola, which is a crime-busting show. And we know that Ekoruleni really struggles with crime in that area. But, you know, I was really wondering and I wanted to see whether communities will believe that the likes of Okorani Kumalo could work for them beyond their TV shows. And I can tell you that it seems that the community there believes him. He has won in his ward as well. And I think Action SA should really give us a bit of a, you know, a story. I'd love to hear from Mohamed Mashaba about this election campaign in particular. I think the one point that's been pointed out by many people when it comes to action is that they have hinged their political campaign or their local government campaign on the immigration politics and it's paid off. Perhaps we should ask ourselves why that is the case. I think, you know, we've all been asking us South Africans, how do South Africans really feel about this? Is what we are seeing on the streets a representation of the country and what the country's sentiments are?
00:13:37
Speaker 2: And I think from these.
00:13:37
Speaker 1: Figures, you know, I think the story does tell that South Africans feel strongly about the immigration crisis so much that they would decide to vote in this way. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how things pan out there in Ekerele. And, of course, we are waiting for the numbers there to be finalized.
00:13:57
Speaker 2: Let's take one of your WhatsApps. I do see them coming in.
00:14:03
Speaker 7: Good morning, Ms.
00:14:04
Speaker 8: Ong.
00:14:04
Speaker 7: The one question that I would like to 702 listeners is why is it a sin, why is it taboo to vote for the DA as a black person? Well, I think the argument is that it's a white party. But why is it such a sin to vote for the DA whilst it's okay to send your children to white schools, former white schools in the form of former Model C.
00:14:29
Speaker 2: Schools or even private schools?
00:14:31
Speaker 7: Why is it okay to go to private hospitals like NEDC and others, or even to live in estates that are run by white homeowners associations. Why are the rules different when it comes to voting for the DA, which is said to be a white party? I don't understand really where the difference is. Kabelemjin Pretoria.
00:14:57
Speaker 9: Hi, Khoemoto. So far, so good. I hope it continues like it does right now. But here is what I would like to say concerning Action SA. The South African people voted for them and the DA because they want to remove the ANC from power and seek good governance. So it would be good for them to swallow their pride and work with the DA. If they choose to work with the ANC, that would be the biggest betrayal for those that voted for them.
00:15:31
Speaker 2: But it will be their choice. But come the national elections, they will see dust.
00:15:37
Speaker 9: Those votes will be converted to DA, like mine in 2029. Just an honest warning, Peter from Fort Lawrence.
00:15:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for those voice notes.
00:15:50
Speaker 1: You know, I think that the DA has done a lot to try to shake off the perception that they are a white party. They've really gone to lengths and some of their... Their attempts to do so, I think, have failed. They failed dismally. The projects that they've tried, they have failed. We also know and we speak of a black caucus within the DA, which again feeds, you know, the idea and the perception that it's the white DA against the black DA. But I think that, you know, when I was speaking to people on the ground as I was covering the elections on the voting day, many people are saying we have to put our ideologies aside, you know. One lady said to me, I voted for this party that I never imagined I would ever vote for in my life. And that for me was so powerful. She said, you know, I never dreamed I would have to. And she even said that she felt that she was being made to vote for the DA because of just how bad things were and things are in the city of Johannesburg. And I think we're at the point now where people are Slowly, you know, moving the ideologies aside, you know, of course, the conversation continues. Many people who, quote unquote, you know, are perceived to be woke, that people will say are woke, you know, will still raise the flags around the DA based on their performance, not just in the Western Cape. We've already had two DA mayors here in Johannesburg. So the DA is not new to us here in Johannesburg. But I think many people, you know, will point to the very glaring problems in the Western Cape. And point out how even though what seems to be a great PR campaign by the DA of showing a Western Cape that really, really works, there are parts of the Western Cape that truly don't work. And that's the reality of DA leadership. But I think Joe Burgers are willing to find out once more. I think that's where the people of the city of Johannesburg are. That, listen, we've tasted how bad things can get now. And we want to, you know, we're happy to go again and find out what's happening with the DA. Of course, that's based on the numbers currently. Things can change. I must keep saying that. Things can change and they are likely to change. And I think we'll go through the CSIR predictions right now so that we get a sense of how much they are likely to change. But let's go back to the phone lines. Koke, so you are on the East Rand.
00:18:07
Speaker 2: Good morning. Yes, morning, Komoto.
00:18:10
Speaker 10: And thank you so much for your analysis. And yeah, I think it's a very good analysis about this election, right? But I just also wanted to add to say I don't find it very surprising that people voted for Action SA. And I love the point you make around ideologies, right? To say what are people's ideologies?
00:18:31
Speaker 5: I think.
00:18:32
Speaker 10: What we've seen in the past 30 odd years is people almost being told what their ideology should be and not actually being asked, like, what ideology do you subscribe to? What do you believe in?
00:18:44
Speaker 1: You know?
00:18:45
Speaker 10: They were told, no, you must believe in a socialist ideology or a communist ideology. And I think that's also boxing people into things that don't make sense, right? I mean, if you look at, for instance, Soweto. Soweto has a lot of thriving small businesses, right?
00:19:01
Speaker 11: So.
00:19:01
Speaker 10: Obviously, Mashaba's message is going to resonate with those people because there are business people, there's been business people, even in apartheid, even way before apartheid, there were business people who were thriving, right? And I saw now in the election campaign, the DA's election, where there's a guy who talks about how he just wants jobs and, you know, he went and visited his brother in Cape Town and there's jobs there and he just wants that. And for me, that's also, you know, it was indicative of the DA, like why some people couldn't reconcile themselves to vote for the DA. Because for them, they don't see African people as business owners. They see them just as workers and as laborers.
00:19:43
Speaker 11: You know.
00:19:44
Speaker 10: Whereas with African people, African people have business people. They have people who've been ostracized. businesses, some for many, many decades, you know, through the difficulties of colonialism, apartheid, and they continue. So I honestly think Action SA is giving people that viable option of, growing an African business class in South Africa and making it a serious African business class. Because South Africa, unlike other African countries, if you look at, for instance, Nigeria, Nigeria has serious African business people that are there. Zimbabwe, likewise, has serious African business people that are owning the economy. And we've been talking about this for a very long time to say, Political freedom was delivered in 1994, but it didn't translate to economic freedom, you know? So people are still trying to say, let's fetch the economic freedom part of this and really empower ourselves as African business people to build viable businesses. I mean, Komoto, if you look at the past 32 years, what viable businesses has the ANC built for African people that you can actually point to at the top of your head that are sustainable?
00:20:46
Speaker 1: Well, perhaps.
00:20:47
Speaker 10: You know, I hear you could get.
00:20:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. Look, I don't think that the ANC is in the business of building businesses, but I hear what you mean, you know, creating the environment under the ANC government, right, for black businesses to thrive. And you're right, that's exactly what Action SA is offering, you know, and is saying they are going to be doing for the people. Thank you so much for your call. Thank you for that call. Thank you for that analysis. I think You're absolutely correct when you speak about, you know, businesses and what this means for business owners in Johannesburg. The immigration conversation moves beyond just not wanting people to be in the area. A big part of it is hinged on the economy, the economy in townships. And that's why we're seeing things play out the way that they are, if you ask me, particularly in Tembisa, in Soweto, in Kipklow. You know, being a former resident of Soweto myself, I can tell you, that the conversation that we still have to this day, that people still have in Soweto to this day, is that they want to take back this pasar shop economy.
00:21:49
Speaker 2: We've heard it over and over again.
00:21:51
Speaker 1: And Action SA has positioned itself as a party that encourages that and says that they're going to do something about that in the form of bylaws and however else they're able to do.
00:22:00
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I agree.
00:22:01
Speaker 1: I think you can attribute what seems to be successful Action SA to their immigration politics.
00:22:07
Speaker 2: We're taking more of your calls and your WhatsApps.
00:22:09
Speaker 1: On the WhatsApp line, someone says, my thoughts with this election are, how are parties that are well known for corruption and looting allowed to carry on regardless without accountability? Places are rotting. We have no state-run enterprises running anymore.
00:22:21
Speaker 2: No railways.
00:22:23
Speaker 1: How do people not see this? Well, firstly, we can't hold the political parties. We can't take them to court. What we should be taking are their leaders if they are found to be corrupt. But hey, my thoughts, and that's from Aliki. My thoughts, Aliki, are that I don't think South Africans... hate corruption as much as they say they do. If they continue to vote for corrupt people, then the truth is you don't hate corruption as much as you.
00:22:44
Speaker 2: Say you do.
00:22:45
Speaker 1: It sounds very fancy to say out with the corrupt, out with the thieves. But if your vote doesn't show that, if you still vote for people that you know are implicated in corruption, then perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask yourself, do I hate corruption.
00:22:57
Speaker 2: As much as I say I do? It's 9.50. Live from the Results Operations Center.
00:23:03
Speaker 1: Follow the local government elections on 702.
00:23:09
Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is the Clement Minyatala Show.
00:23:10
Speaker 1: My name is Khumus Omudise in for Clement this morning. We are live from the Gallagher Convention Centre. We're at the Results Operations Centre.
00:23:18
Speaker 2: Of the IEC.
00:23:19
Speaker 1: And I am on the ground here. That is just before the leaderboard. And I can tell you that 73% of the vote has been counted.
00:23:28
Speaker 2: A picture is being formed here.
00:23:30
Speaker 1: On the map, we can see all the colors on the map of which political parties are being represented in which place. It's an interesting picture that's been painted here. We are hoping to hear from the IEC, hopefully during the show, maybe a little later, to give the latest update on the counting process, the vote counting process.
00:23:48
Speaker 2: Still a way to go.
00:23:49
Speaker 1: Still quite a bit that needs to be done. Nothing is final yet. And as you know, things can change in a heartbeat when it comes to politics. But we already have a sense of what certain parts of the country look like. For example, if you take a look at KZN, there is a lot more pink in KZN than anything else. And that speaks to the MK Party making a significant mark there. So on this map, the MK Party's color is pink. It's like a hot pink. And you can see them right on the map there showing a significant presence there. Already you can tell. that a couple of wards there have already gone to the MK Party. When you look at Gauteng, which is, of course, our smaller province right there, there's a whole lot of yellow that's presented there, which shows the DA, of course. That is corroborated by the numbers that are also being flashed on the screen here. So there's a lot of yellow being represented on the map, showing the DA making its mark there, as well as a bit of green, which is the ANC, and a bit of burgundy, which speaks to Action SA's presence there.
00:24:51
Speaker 2: In terms of the numbers.
00:24:52
Speaker 1: When it comes to Gauteng, I'm going to move a little closer so I can read them for you. The ANC coming in currently at 21.4%. That is in Gauteng. The DA is at 34.5%. So they are leading currently. They've been maintaining a strong lead actually here. And we've got Action SA at 17%. That's what the numbers currently look like for Gauteng. For the Free State, the ANC seems to be still holding on there. They are still leading, maintaining their lead at 37.5%. The Democratic Alliance is at 27.5%. And the EFF, which actually, you know, has been an interesting party to watch this local government election, they are at 8.1% in the free state. It's interesting to see how the EFF is actually not in the top three in many of the provinces, according to the data that's being shown on the screen for now. It's important to say for now. And this picture is likely to change quite a bit. We're taking your calls and we're taking your WhatsApps. This is, of course, the 702 open line on the Clement Manyatala show. I'm certain that many of you want to weigh in on those parties that are making quite a bit of progress and the parties that have become very, very surprising for you. So let's go to the phone lines and let's take a call from Andre.
00:26:07
Speaker 2: You are in Pretoria. Good morning. Hi, Andre. Good morning.
00:26:18
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we're having a bit of a challenge with the lines there. All right, we're going to try and get Andre back on the line. But maybe I do see some of your WhatsApp messages also coming. So let's take a WhatsApp here. Simon says, I voted the ANC and will always do so. But this time around, they must... I think they might... Okay, I need to read this properly. I mean... It is technology that is showing us a bit of flames here.
00:26:48
Speaker 2: They must swallow their pride. There we go, Simon.
00:26:50
Speaker 1: But this time around, they must swallow their pride and choose to occupy opposition benches. They need to focus more on their renewal going into 2029. I believe they can come back stronger if they use the current national position to serve our people better.
00:27:05
Speaker 2: Thanks, Simon. I don't know.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: Do you think the ANC has come to terms with the very clear possibility and likelihood that that they may have to occupy the opposition benches in parts of the country, in several parts of the country. Do you think, you know, that they've accepted that? That that is the likelihood? That's not the sense that I was getting from them. From the press briefing yesterday by Nom Bulamukonyane, who is the Deputy Secretary General, it seems they still have a lot of hope that things will turn and start looking better for them.
00:27:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not.
00:27:39
Speaker 1: The only one, Simon, who says they need to prepare to occupy opposition benches. I think in many parts of the country, especially in places where there isn't an outright winner, they will still be in government, but they will be, of course, part.
00:27:51
Speaker 2: Of a coalition.
00:27:53
Speaker 1: And I think that these coalitions have shown us just how messy they can be over the last few years.
00:27:58
Speaker 2: We're going to try again with the phone lines. Andre in Pretoria. Good morning. Can you hear us now?
00:28:04
Speaker 5: Good morning. Thank you for taking my call. You know, as a As a colored guy that voted.
00:28:10
Speaker 12: For the ANC, the ruling party, the first three elections or so, I would think, you know, we were disillusioned by them.
00:28:19
Speaker 5: We were lied to by them.
00:28:20
Speaker 12: I think the people of South Africa are becoming mature voters. And so we're not voting along party lines, along ideologies anymore.
00:28:30
Speaker 5: We have now seen the corruption. We have seen the negligence. We have seen the.
00:28:40
Speaker 5: And the South African.
00:28:41
Speaker 12: Voters are saying enough with that.
00:28:44
Speaker 5: We are mature now.
00:28:45
Speaker 12: Now we are entering a new phase of South African, not just politics, but reality. The people in the street aren't concerned about politics. We want running water that doesn't send us to hospitals. We want electricity that is secure, you know. And so the people are looking for accountability. They're looking for leadership, ethical leadership. And so now what you're seeing is not just the decline of the ANC. I would argue you're seeing a maturity and a fighting back of the South African people saying, you know what, we want change. We don't want corruption anymore. And I think this is an opportunity, a golden opportunity for the DA. to become more than just an opposition party, but to say to the people of South Africa, we are now fighting and building a society for all.
00:29:39
Speaker 5: We are going to move away from this.
00:29:43
Speaker 12: Window dressing of seemingly white traditionalist party but now we're going to fight for the people of South Africa you know so I think there's an opportunity now for the DA to show that our vote wasn't wasted because out like the previous caller said the national elections will come and will punish you even more Yeah, but.
00:30:04
Speaker 2: Andre, allow me to come in there.
00:30:05
Speaker 1: Allow me to come in there because this wouldn't be the first time. If we were to have a DA Mayor in Johannesburg, this wouldn't be our first time with a DA Mayor. This would be our third DA Mayor. And we didn't see all these promises that are being promised now. We didn't see that as the city of Joburg. So what's going to change this time?
00:30:23
Speaker 5: So, I'm an analytical person. So in the past, the ANC were in charge and the DA had to take second fiddle to make up the numbers. Now, in front of you, that leaderboard has shown that the people of South Africa are giving the DA the chance to be the leader. The ANC are now, they're pulling up the numbers. Am I right? Because the board will tell you that. The AAC are pulling up the numbers and the DA now have majority votes and majority seats and majority ward seats and majority representation. That is the factual, truthful difference that that board shows you in front of you. So now the DA can rule the room to say, we want this, we are standing for this, we want water, we want... et cetera, et cetera. So in the past, they weren't in the position. They didn't have the majority to put their weight down. Now they must show us. They must show us now they can put their weight down because we have given them the numbers. We have backed them. And they mustn't waste this opportunity because we will punish them if they waste this opportunity. So they have been given the lead. That board will show you. The DA in Suwannee, the DA in Joburg, will have no excuses because they've got the numbers backing them.
00:31:45
Speaker 1: Do you agree with me?
00:31:45
Speaker 2: All right then, Andre. Let's leave it there. Yeah, let's leave it there.
00:31:48
Speaker 1: I mean, I have my views about that, but thank you for sharing yours there.
00:31:51
Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
00:31:51
Speaker 1: That's Andre from Pretoria. Of course, we cannot ignore the fact that in the Western Cape, the picture is not rosy. It really isn't rosy. And I think the DA knows that it's not rosy. That's why Helen Zillow has been quoted as saying that there's better services in Kailisha than there are in Sandton. I think that's what she said. I'm paraphrasing there. Because she understands that, you know, the areas like Kailija are still a major concern for the Democratic Alliance. And when people in Johannesburg raise the concern that they feel they are afraid that their townships will be neglected. Because say what you will about Johannesburg townships, but I think many of Joburg townships are doing really, really well in comparison to some that I've seen in the Western Cape. And so when the people of Joburg say, listen, we are concerned that we might find ourselves in a very messy situation when the DA is at the helm here in Johannesburg, I think that concern is very valid.
00:32:43
Speaker 2: Let's take another call. Lucy, you are in Johannesburg. Good morning.
00:32:47
Speaker 4: Good morning to you so much.
00:32:49
Speaker 13: I disagree. I think that we obviously are the only ones who can actually try and put this place together. And all these people have got to realise they have to go into coalition government, whether they like it or not. And they're not there for themselves. They're there for the people and for the poor and the needy. That's what's got to me. I cannot begin to believe how 400 councillors in Joghurt have allowed the hand of God to get like it is. It is just diabolical and a disgrace. And they've got to learn to work together because they're not there for themselves and their own pockets. They've destroyed the country. And how people can vote for the MK party is beyond me because they're all renegades. It's unreal. If somebody said a politician should be elected, give them the money for the urban budget, you won't see it again.
00:33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:33:57
Speaker 1: Lucy, why do you think, so why do you think the DA is going to take care of Johannesburg or Pretoria townships If Lange, if Kaya Leach are in the state that they're in in Cape Town?
00:34:08
Speaker 13: Well, the point is that they have to. And that's what they've got to learn to do also. I actually voted for Cyril Ramaphosa last time. I'm a protagonist of him. And I actually dread the day that he goes. Because I think he's really a good politician.
00:34:23
Speaker 14: He's global.
00:34:25
Speaker 13: He's well-known in the world.
00:34:26
Speaker 4: He's a negotiator.
00:34:27
Speaker 13: But he lives between a rock and a hard place. And I know that thirst he needs. Anyway, they will do it. They have to do it. And they must be forced to do it by the people, too. We must stand up and say.
00:34:42
Speaker 5: It's not good.
00:34:45
Speaker 1: So would you be willing to vote the DA out if they don't serve the townships in Johannesburg?
00:34:50
Speaker 6: Yes, I would.
00:34:51
Speaker 13: I voted them out last time. I voted for the ANC. Yes, I would. I want for the people. I'm okay. But look at what's going on in the townships, et cetera, here. I mean, it's a disgrace. They live among sewer. There's no water. There's no life.
00:35:10
Speaker 10: It's a disgrace.
00:35:11
Speaker 13: Where's the money? Where's the money that they've had to do? They've never fixed a thing. If I bought a brand-new car in 1994 and had it now and never serviced it, what do you think it would look like? That's what's happened. They have not. even bothered to maintain anything. And we haven't, I haven't suffered, but the poor and the needy have suffered. And the other thing is, everybody talks about unemployment. It's not unemployment.
00:35:38
Speaker 2: It's economy.
00:35:40
Speaker 13: We've got to get the economy right and the employment will come. That's the only way this country is going to move. We have to get the economy right.
00:35:51
Speaker 2: All right, Lucy, thank you so much for your call.
00:35:54
Speaker 4: Thank you.
00:35:54
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lucy.
00:35:55
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Listen, I think that's very interesting because Lucy says the DA will take care of townships in Joburg because they simply have to. I think they have to take care of townships in the Western Cape as well. I feel strongly about that. And it seems they aren't much. But, you know, listen, if Johannesburg believes, and from the numbers that are coming in, Johannesburg believes it's worth taking that risk, then I think it's important to allow this to happen Of course, this is, you know, a democratic process. And if enough of us in this province feel so strong about this, then, of course, this is what needs to happen. But I do think that the concerns that people have outside of ideology, you know, I spoke yesterday to Umpila Maudo from the EFF, who said at this point, local government elections are not about ideology. And I think she's echoing the sentiments of many people and many of the voters outside of ideology. The one thing about the Democratic Alliance, and any political party, really, I should say, is whether they will be able to provide services at a local government level. And I think the people of Kailitsa, the people of Myanga, the people of Langa, have a different story to tell.
00:37:02
Speaker 2: Let's take a call from Tembile. You are in Centurion. Good morning.
00:37:07
Speaker 6: Good morning, Komuto.
00:37:08
Speaker 12: How are you?
00:37:09
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Thank you for holding. Please go ahead.
00:37:12
Speaker 5: Yes, Komuto.
00:37:14
Speaker 6: Two callers.
00:37:14
Speaker 3: There is a caller that asked the question, why is it taboo for a black person to vote for D.A.? And DA is anti-transformation. Anti-transformation. We know it and we don't even have to argue about that. Helen Dilla, a couple of years ago, did say that colonization was not that bad.
00:37:33
Speaker 14: Am I right?
00:37:33
Speaker 3: We have infrastructure, this and that.
00:37:35
Speaker 6: She did say it.
00:37:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
00:37:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she did.
00:37:38
Speaker 6: Helen Dilla said that.
00:37:39
Speaker 3: Number two, where is Lindiwa Mazibu go today? Where is Musi Maimane today? Where is Herman Mashaba today? Where is the black leadership, strong leadership in the DA? DA, they are voting the Western Cape.
00:37:54
Speaker 6: Fortunately, I stay in St.
00:37:55
Speaker 12: Huron, but I was born in Cape Town.
00:37:57
Speaker 6: My mother stays in Waland. When you talk about Cape Town, I.
00:37:59
Speaker 3: Know what I'm talking about. Now we want to come and talk as if Helen Zilla can do something.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: For Joe Biden.
00:38:04
Speaker 6: What has he done for Lange? What has he done for New Cross? What has he done for Kylie Jenner?
00:38:08
Speaker 3: She's saying that Kylie Jenner's got a better budget or has done better than Fenty.
00:38:13
Speaker 10: That's a lie.
00:38:15
Speaker 6: That's a lie. They've not done anything for black people in Cape Town.
00:38:19
Speaker 3: And they are not going to do anything, any good things for black people in Johannesburg.
00:38:24
Speaker 6: Because you know what?
00:38:25
Speaker 10: It's not their priority.
00:38:27
Speaker 6: Let me make an example for you. In Cape Town, Western Cape Town. they've been getting a.
00:38:32
Speaker 3: Majority of almost 60% of the vote. Am I right?
00:38:35
Speaker 6: Over 50%. That 50% comes.
00:38:38
Speaker 3: From coloreds and blacks. Majority comes from them. Going to the colored area, going to the townships. When have you ever seen a colored mayor other than Patricia Dillon, who was not from D.A.? Give me one colored mayor in the Western Cape. The guys who got the most votes, give me one colored mayor that has been.
00:38:58
Speaker 8: From the D.A., No.
00:39:00
Speaker 3: They don't see black and colored in the top leadership structure. Why does this guy from Pretoria, what's his name, from DA, why did he get that position instead of the current leader of the DA now, the young one? You will never get senior people in meaningful position in the DA because you know why?
00:39:19
Speaker 5: They just use them.
00:39:20
Speaker 6: For their vote.
00:39:20
Speaker 3: They will never do anything for black people.
00:39:22
Speaker 4: I'm happy that these.
00:39:23
Speaker 3: Ones in Jobbik, they voted for them. They must see what's going to happen in the next three, four years.
00:39:29
Speaker 2: Tamila, thank you so much for your call. That's Tamila in St.
00:39:33
Speaker 6: Shiri.
00:39:33
Speaker 1: And he says, hey, you must see what's going to happen to you. Let's go to Mandela. Okay, you're in four ways.
00:39:38
Speaker 2: Good morning.
00:39:40
Speaker 11: Thank you so much. I just want to say... It's not like the South African, I mean, the job that black people in townships have voted for DA. Of course, the middle class have voted for DA and the people in the suburban areas have voted for DA.
00:40:01
Speaker 15: I have a family in Dipslot. I was asking my family and they didn't have water for a week. They didn't have time to go and vote in these elections. They had to go and fetch water very, very far. So I was voting in four ways, seed, crawford trap, and I could see the coordinated voting for the aid. And so much money has been poured in this campaign. I thought it was going to be worse than it is now. I thought Helen Zilla was going to win it without a coalition.
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Speaker 14: So Yeah, it's because of another thing, that it's because of the black township people, they don't see these elections as important as the national elections.
00:40:57
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's another elephant.
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Speaker 14: In the room. Perhaps it's being able.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's drawing a distinction, and I completely understand that psyche. It's drawing a distinction between I need these services. You know, something I said, Mandi, like the other day is that these local government elections are happening when we are in the heart of a crisis in Johannesburg. And I know that politicians like to say it's not a crisis, but not being able to take a bath or a shower for days is a crisis. Living in a house or in a yard with uncollected refuse for weeks is a crisis. And I think there is a distinction between what can be done for us at local government and who can do it and what we need as a nation at a national level and who can do that.
00:41:43
Speaker 2: I think that's where we are, no?
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Speaker 15: Yes, and I just want to say this before I drop. The other corner was chatting about an essay that they should.
00:41:58
Speaker 15: Partner with DA and they lead Johannesburg or else they will be punished. That sounds like a DA voter, you know. So shouldn't be threatening Action SA. You should threaten your.
00:42:11
Speaker 14: DA because it is DA.
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Speaker 15: That is going to bring ANC. Action SA refused to be in the GNU and the DA refused. they have close ties with ANC. Now they're going to use ANC again just to skip this hill so that they can lead. Because I heard Ellen Ziller doesn't have appetite for many parties. And I think the option that they have is to partner with ANC.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, Jordan Hill Lewis did say a short while ago that they are entering these negotiations with a lot of humility.
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Speaker 2: So perhaps.
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Speaker 1: It will be an interesting outcome to note once the coalition talks All right, that's Tempile and Centurion. Thank you so much for your call. Yeah, many of you are expressing really interesting views about the future of the DA in Johannesburg. Of course, a caller earlier, I believe it may have been, was it Andre? No, I don't think it was Andre. There was a caller earlier who pointed out, you know, and made questions and asked questions about the DA's leadership and the decisions that they make. I think it was Patricia DeLille. Was it Patricia DeLille?
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Speaker 2: Who was a DA when she was mayor.
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Speaker 1: So there is, we do see, you know, some of those, you know, black people, colored people there.
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Speaker 2: But I do think that they do have.
00:43:32
Speaker 1: That stigma that they are not for black leadership is not going to leave them. That mark is not going to leave at any time soon. And if you ask me, while we still have conversations about a black caucus, in the DA, then, you know, that problem will persist forever because it speaks to a white party that has a black caucus. Okay, I think we've got a minute or so to take some of your voice notes. So let's do so.
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Speaker 16: Good morning, 702 lenders. I'm Charmaine from Midrand. I'd just like to say, can we put the hate aside? This country is going to be fixed by Blacks, whites, Indians, colours. The sooner we get that, the better for our country and our nation.
00:44:23
Speaker 8: Have a good day. Yes, good morning, Hamotso, Tara and Rando.
00:44:27
Speaker 7: That voice note was brilliant.
00:44:30
Speaker 8: When he questioned why is it taboo to vote for the DEA if you're actually not going to carry it through all the way through.
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Speaker 2: Think about Mahatma Gandhi. He was a great example.
00:44:42
Speaker 3: He stood up for something, but he lived the life. So why would you live the life or not live the life and then make something taboo like voting for the DA?
00:44:53
Speaker 5: So what a brilliant message. I just want to condone him. What a great mind that man had.
00:44:57
Speaker 8: Did you see the EFF? Who's called up the EFF?
00:44:59
Speaker 12: It's the owner.
00:45:09
Speaker 5: Who's building the EFF? It's Malema.
00:45:12
Speaker 12: Malema is the one who built the EFF, and Malema is the one who destroyed their own part.
00:45:19
Speaker 11: So we are happy. So DA can do some other changes.
00:45:24
Speaker 14: We are tired about the ANC, to be honest.
00:45:28
Speaker 12: S & A is fighting.
00:45:32
Speaker 15: If we blast from Navarre.
00:45:34
Speaker 2: Hi, Homogeneity.
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Speaker 8: With regard to SA Communist Party, don't you think that the people who voted for them could have voted for the ANC or they could have boycotted the ANC? So I don't think that is more about a marketing strategy or a communication strategy from the SA Communist Party.
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Speaker 2: Devadun Pakwe, thank you so much for those voice notes. And thank you for me.
00:46:03
Speaker 1: And of course, it's a conversation that we're going to have at least until Sunday. And even afterwards, Sunday, we're expecting the results for the local government elections to be out. And I can tell you that the picture just keeps being developed.
