Finding Light in Darkness

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We are, we are.
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And I'm Nikki Godwin.
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And I am Ty Godwin.
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And welcome to the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast.
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Also known as Not Quite an Hour of Ginger Power.
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Holla.
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Yeah, because the ginger's in the house.
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I was gonna ask you, does my hair like look a little darker to you?
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Can you tell?
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Well, inside it does the bottom looks dark, the up the upper part looks light, lighter.
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Well, I did do a hair glaze.
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It's a hair glaze for natural red heads to like bring out the natural color.
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We'll see.
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So I I've been experimenting, but my hair does look a little more gingery today.
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Put it on the list of things I've never done.
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Hair glaze.
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I don't think it's uh catered to men.
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Not to say you couldn't do it.
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We could try it.
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I love glazed donuts.
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Well, I also love glazed donuts.
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I a glaze is good all around.
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God, we hit Homer Simpson.
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We got we can check that off the bucket list.
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Uh remember to like and subscribe.
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Uh Nikki, where can you find us on social of the media?
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Social of the media.
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That's a new one.
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Well, it's it's a play on Grandma Marlene because she called everything the Facebook, the Instagram.
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We've got to be.
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Well, you can find us on the Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at Butterfly Pavilion Pod.
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So check us out there if you want to keep up with what we've uh been up.
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There's more frequent updates, there's occasional jocularity and funny videos, but uh we've been we've both been busy.
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It's been a really busy summer.
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It has.
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Summer, summer, summer, summer.
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Summer time, summer time.
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I don't know what summer song I'm singing.
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Uh I think there's a there's like a Grease.
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Summer summer summer.
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I don't not quite sure how that's oh, I think you're you're right.
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I I could not recite that.
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Right, but we haven't seen Greece in a while.
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Yeah, but um it it has been a crazy like melt your face off hot here in Denver this summer.
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We had that string, that one week where it's like a hundred, hundred and two, hundred and five, like all week long.
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It almost feels like our climate is transforming into Arizona a little bit, which is kind of scary.
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Um, but I I sound old because I'm like, well, back in my day, when we're talking about the weather.
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No, yeah.
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I talk about the weather to strangers, to friends all the time.
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It's not normal.
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Um, global warming is a thing.
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Um, so it has been god-awful hot.
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So I on that note, we had a respite in the mountains uh this week, which which was amazing.
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But I was talking to a woman that lived up there, and I was doing my usual progressive dad commercial.
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There's a lot of that, yeah.
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Striking up conversations with random people, and and I asked her, well, what was so how's your summer?
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And summer, she said, has been great personally and as far as their retail.
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Uh the winter, though, it was the worst snow they had, and she said, if they have another winter like that, the Colorado ski season won't be able to survive it.
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The hills were so warm, the hills remained warm enough to melt the snow when it landed.
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Oh no, I I haven't skied and snowboard or snowboarded in a really long time, but I've been talking about wanting to get back into it.
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But all of my friends that are super into skiing and snowboarding last year, like it was a horrible winter.
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Like people didn't even get their money's worth, um, which is really sad.
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But I speaking of weather, I do think it's supposed to be a El Nino winter.
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I'm not Nino, okay.
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I don't know if that's right.
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It's something like it's supposed to be like a really bad and heavy winter, and I'm kind of hoping that that is true because I need fall, I need the snow, like I'm I'm a vampire like you.
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I don't really like to go out into the sun, and if I do, it's like needs to be 75 degrees, not 95 or 100.
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Right.
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Yeah, well, and part of my cancer medication gives me hot flashes, so hot flashes in a hundred-degree dry heat is just absolutely miserable.
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Not good.
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Um, but yeah, we're hoping for for more snow.
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I I I always throw out a number.
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I it felt like it only snowed like twice in Denver this last year.
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Yeah, it felt sorry, I I fact checked myself.
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It is called El Nino.
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El Nino.
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According to Google AI overview.
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Um it's projected for the upcoming winter, which tilts the odds towards a more active, wetter s wetter southern storm track.
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And for Colorado, this typically favors increased moisture and higher snow potential for southern mountains and parts of the front range.
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So send in good vibes for El Nino because I would love to get back into skiing.
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I well, and you know, uh for Colorado and you know those that partake, uh, we'd love some, we'd definitely love snow in the mountains.
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Definitely um, but it was it was a but it it it yeah, it's been a hot summer, but we're gonna we're gonna talk a little bit more about this summer in a new segment we call Finding Light and Darkness, uh, which has really become our tagline because uh not quite an hour of ginger power didn't quite fly with the marketing people, uh although I still use it.
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But uh people meaning me.
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I talk a lot about and Franzi.
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Um I talk a lot about finding light and darkness, uh a lot in in my socials and on uh Butterfly Pavilion's socials.
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But we're gonna we're gonna have a segment on that.
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Yeah, and we also before I know we're gonna talk more about it, but even you and I, when we're casually talking, you know, not on social media or not on podcast, we weave in finding light and darkness in our day-to-day conversations too.
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So it really has become a part of our outlook um on life.
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Exactly.
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Excited to stuck to dive into that.
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So we will talk about that, but um, before we go there, uh what we love to talk about is fan mail.
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Time for the fan mail jingle.
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Fan mail, fan mail.
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Can't wait for our fan mail.
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Fan mail.
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Oh yeah, I love that.
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Uh thanks to Uncle Tim again for the fan mail jingle.
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Um a couple of a couple of uh I'm gonna skip over the negative one.
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I I had I had a few negatives uh on social media on my interview with Emily Mendenhall, uh, author of Invisible Illness, uh History from Hysteria to Lung COVID.
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Uh she interviewed me for the book.
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So I'm in the book.
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I'm not gonna not interview Emily.
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Sure.
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So start there.
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That you know, I'm gonna interview her because I'm you know, I got to know her over a couple of years of her writing this book, and I'm in the book.
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Um and oh you're gonna say I I was because I'm really defensive over my dad.
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So nobody on the internet be mean to my dad, or I will come for you.
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But we're not even going to address the negative commentary because we're gonna wash ourselves with the negative.
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It's not worth our time.
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You're not worth our time, and again, don't be mean to my dad.
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You're got a fistful sandwich coming your way.
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Yeah, don't don't kick the the cane out from under tiny Tim.
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Kick rocks.
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Um no, but uh I I just want to acknowledge that I I I got some great feedback.
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I did get some negative feedback.
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She did take a historical view because she talks about hysteria.
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Do you know where the word hist h hysteria comes from?
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I I feel like I learned this in my history class back in gosh, 2008, but doesn't it come from like the 50s or something?
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Well, the 50s, but even further back from that, but it is it is tied to uh loosely tied to hysterectomy.
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Because they used to do hysterectomies because they thought women were hysterical.
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My God, yeah.
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Um that happened.
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I it's coming back to me.
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The the definition is uh is a making sense.
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Um I'm not gonna try and uh use that word.
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Yeah, but so she she's an anthropologist.
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Uh so start.
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Is her book called again at the um Invisible Illness.
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Invisible Illness is the book.
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From uh history from hysteria to long COVID.
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So the whole book, or half the book is history.
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So it talks about points in history and people that minimized illness.
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Um is it across like other pandemics as well?
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It does, it does.
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Just illness and illness in general, too.
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Um both.
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Okay.
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So I mean, she goes back to the Spanish flu, which was a hundred years ago, which there's a lot of similarities between between that and COVID.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Um, but she also you know she speaks to a wide swath of people.
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She speaks to a ton of patients like me, and I know her personally, and I know her engagement with me was very much about patient advocacy.
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I do believe the book uh does uh approach from a long COVID patient advocacy.
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She does quote people about pace trials and things like great at exercise therapy, which I tried did not work.
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In fact, I regressed on doing that.
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Um, so anyway, lighten up on Emily.
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I mean, she wants feedback, I want feedback.
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I did address the the the controversy head on, so I gave her the opportunity to say, hey, you know, what what's with all this negative stuff?
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Um I I happen to like the book.
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Um I happen to think uh very highly of Emily.
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Um but a couple of uh other fan mails.
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So we won't won't read The Angry Guys Amy.
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Um skip over that skip over that.
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Joe writes, uh, just listen to season two, episode five.
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You and Nikki are amazing.
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I'd have to agree on the second part.
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I appreciate the cancer talk and how uncomfortable it can be.
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While difficult to find the right words sometimes, your casual approach makes this better for everyone.
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You guys are the best.
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Um that's so sweet.
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That is that is uh from my friend Joe, and I appreciate that, Joe.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Irma writes only two episodes so far, and I'm hooked.
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I love, love, love the banter between between father and daughter.
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I can't wait to listen to more episodes as this continues.
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Thank you for giving us the opportunity to tune in your conversations.
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May God continue to bless you with more time together.
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Oh awesome, Irma.
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So thank you.
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That's really sweet, Irma.
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Thank you so much.
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Thanks for listening.
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That is great, fan mail.
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Yeah, I love that.
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Um, no, all of those comments were super wholesome.
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Um, I think something that I talk about when people ask about the podcast is it just feels good to kind of normalize talking about cancer and illness and uh caregiving and bringing that into kind of reducing that stigma um and bringing it into conversations.
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And you know, that that's how we as a family really um we deal with it.
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We we talk about it quite a lot.
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Obviously, it's our you know, it consumes a lot of our day-to-day, but we acknowledge that and want to make it positive.
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Right, right.
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You know, I had a conversation with someone close to me recently, and um she said that um she didn't want to ask about cancer or bring up cancer because she didn't want to bring up.
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She didn't want to, you know, dwell on a bad topic or yeah, yeah, or upset me or make me sad.
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And I'm like, yeah, I think I might write a Substack post about this because uh, you know, it uh we we cover how to talk about cancer a lot in this podcast, and hey, it's okay.
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Um I have cancer and it's a part of my life.
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It's it's okay to simply say, How are you doing?
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Um, you know, I think there's a lot of other questions you can ask, but um, you know, that that came up uh recently.
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I did want to point out for those on YouTube, I am sporting my man bracelet.
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Very cool from the resistors.
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Um The Resistors We love them.
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We I've been on, I was on Spaces with them, uh Twitter Spaces.
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They don't do that anymore.
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We announced their podcast on our podcast, uh, The Resistors, No Ostriching here.
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And uh so I've been on since been on their podcast as as one of their guests.
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So these are friends that I developed through X, formerly known as Twitter.
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I still sometimes call it Twitter.
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Oh, I still call it Twitter.
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They're just amazing ladies.
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Um and they've sent me you know gifts um you know uh to you know cheer up and you know those are always appreciated, not expected.
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But I'm kidding, I'm sporting the fancy leather man bracelet.
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Indeed.
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Oh, and you're sporting the bracelet I got you for Father's Day, too.
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Of course, I had to wear that one.
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And the third one, actually, I think I got in uh not think, I got in Portland when I was visiting Rhythm, which was the long COVID clinic I was working with before my cancer diagnosis.
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But uh still good friends with them.
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I've they I've talked to them about actually coming on the podcast, and they are open to doing that.
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Um but we we mentioned finding light and darkness, and it it I think this could be a recurring segment.
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And sure I want to talk about uh in the whole idea of finding light and darkness, as you can kind of tell by the words, is how do you um and I can't say enough good things about Sileika Juwad's Between Two Kingdoms book.
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And at the end of her book, she first half of the book is kind of her cancer journey and uh treatment uh as a young woman in her 20s um living in living in New York.
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Um at the end of the second half of the book, she goes on a kind of a van life uh journey meeting people that wrote to her because she became a columnist for the New York Times uh during during their treatment.
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Um so a lot of people wrote her letters, so she went on this van journey, and um I'll have to paraphrase, but one of the people that she met in the book towards the end of the book asked her, Well, would you change anything?
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And fundamentally she said that she wouldn't, and that um you know it's kind of defined her, and I almost feel the same.
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There's days I feel exactly the same way, in that um my life right now seems um so vibrant and full because I am so appreciative of whatever life can give me, and that can be as simple as watching a movie on the sofa with Mrs.
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Seeking Boston or or Franzi, who's my wife, um, or anything.
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It it could be anything, um, you know, pulling blueberry muffins out of the oven.
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It's just it it's hard to describe when you've got a terminal illness and stage four cancer.
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You just have such a greater appreciation for things.
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And you know, we we try and take respite trips to get away from the dogs that wake us up at 6 30 in the morning, and and we had one this week, and it was a gorgeous room with a patio that opened up to a fire pit, and uh it was absolutely amazing.
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But uh on the note of Saleika Juwad, uh my wife uh was a part of her book club, and that's how she found the book um Um Between Two Kingdoms.
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Um I would highly recommend it for anybody going through cancer or caregivers going through cancer.
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I sent it to your Aunt Dawn because she had a friend who tragically just she lost her friend um just in the last month and a half.
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Um and I sent it to Dawn.
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She read it and she loved the book.
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I think it just gives you a better appreciation of the person with cancer, the caregiver, you know.
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Different perspectives.
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It's on my reading list.
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I haven't excuse me.
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I haven't read it yet.
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It's been all because I gave you the book, yes.
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Yeah, I have it.
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It's in my my little library.
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No, I know, I I have it.
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It's on my list.
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Um but I I love how I know we you have difficult days, but I do love how you've been able to like just find the small moments in the day-to-day and really like cherish that and a mind shift absolutely, um, and leaning into positivity, which is really hard to do, I think, in any situation.
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And I I feel inspired too, and that's how I I like to live my life as well.
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I think it's easy to wallow in the misery, and sometimes you have to do that, sometimes you have to be sad, you have to feel those emotions.
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But I think kind of having that mind shift of what is a small thing today that I can have gratitude for and be thankful for and like find light and positivity in this really dark situation.
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Right.
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So um so the the this passage in the book, she fundamentally says she wouldn't change anything, and I think that is fundamentally you know part of where you know she too is just uh embracing life.
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Um she she got peacocks this week.
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Um so you'll have to follow her on Instagram.
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Um so she got peacocks, they've got this like little farms set up with actual peacocks.
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I was like, um, is this some new product?
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Actual peacocks.
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I mean that's really cool for her.
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Um but the thing that Franzi found uh uh uh on top of the book, uh Suleka was supposed to do a uh artist residency in Paris um this summer, but uh she had to go uh get chemo treatment again.
00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:23.279
So her uh I don't know the specifics, but it it you know chemo obviously I've gone through and it uh tough to travel with the chemo.
00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:35.279
Um so she called an audible to use a football term and decided that she would have a virtual uh art camp.
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So she's got this uh isolation art camp, which I if you're a subscriber, you have access to it, and her subscription is pretty cheap.
00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:47.359
But um so I signed up for this thing.
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So every week um in the month of August uh she gives you a art assignment based on a theme.
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So this week this week's theme, and the on the 30th, there's a online kind of art geek out with um the artist that she talks about each week.
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Um I believe it's Anna um Anna Stapleton Martinez, or Martinez Stapleton.
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I'll have to correct it in the in the in the notes.
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But so my bridge, um, and I I did write a whole substack post on this because Neil a bridge?
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A bridge.
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Okay, okay.
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That was the assignment for this.
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It could be, she said it could be literal or figurative.
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Okay, yeah.
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And it could be like transitioning from one part of your life to another part of your life.
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Yeah.
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Um metaphorically makes sense.
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I did a watercolor of the Brooklyn Bridge, and that is me in the in the center with the uh the blue windbreaker on.
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Wait, I want to see it again.
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I I have I saw it when it was in progress, but for our audio listeners, um or it is your watercolor skills never fail to amaze me, Dad.
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You were so talented.
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And I think we've talked about this, but you initially, when you went to CSU back in like, I don't know, 1973.
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Don't I don't that's not right, but you 70s?
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I didn't wasn't in college in the 70s.
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That would make me uh that would make me 70, 80 years old.
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But um no, but you initially went to school.
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I was an art major art major because my fresh junior in college.
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My dad is so talented, but then ultimately ended up switching to business.
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And I've I just love that you're so intelligent and a great businessman, but also you're talented enough to paint a beautiful watercolor.
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Death brain, right brain.
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Definitely.
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Yeah, so it um I I have extreme fatigue.
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Um so uh I think I saw a meme that that uh something The moment you see me where you think I might look good is only because I've rested for that occasion and I will crash after that occasion kind of thing.
00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:26.799
So the thing with painting is I can do it sitting down, I can draw in bed, and it can be as little activity.
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It can be as little as ten, it can be as little as ten minutes.
00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:43.519
And I sorry, I don't mean to keep interrupting you, but I I also want to remind our listeners because we've talked about this a lot on our podcast, but like and this can apply this applies to my dad, this could apply to me, this could apply to any human being.
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:50.640
Like an illness illness does not always express itself through the exterior.
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So someone like someone or everyone is always carrying something, whether that's like some mental challenges or physical challenges.
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And just because dad doesn't look like he has stage four cancer, he does.
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Um and so kind of back to your the point you made earlier.
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If you you know check in with dad, Sam, like you just ask how he's doing and don't take judge the book by the cover.
00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:28.319
Yeah, no, um I do feel that I'm that death is not imminent.
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You know, if it were, I I would have some of those maybe physical symptoms.
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:34.000
It's funny though.
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One of the first questions they ask in my screening of my oncology appointments, and we're gonna we're gonna have a big segment on kind of cancer update because there's a lot going on, and I feel we need to first questions they ask is are uh uh have you lost weight recently?
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.079
Um au contraire.
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Um I've got a healthy appetite.
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Um so yeah, I I have the appearance of someone that is not near the end with their cancer because I don't believe I'm near the end.
00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:16.319
Um but uh yeah, as as always, we we kind of segue, uh segue on two different topics, but that's okay.
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.400
But we're talking about finding light and darkness.
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:31.359
So for me, taking up painting again and watercolors are uh a lot less time consuming and less effort than a canvas, you know, acrylic painting.
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.920
Um, although I've done a couple of those.
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:47.759
Um so uh looking forward to August 30th, there's there's like I said, there's a geek out um chat with Suleika and Anna Martinez Stapleton or Anna Stapleton Martinez.
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I think it's Stapleton Martinez.
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Um and sorry to her for not having that on the tip of my tongue.
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But um that has been you know, I I just try and live by the book, quite literally, of between two kingdoms, just because she's got such a great attitude uh about cancer, her journey, and you know, uh doing what you can within the the limits of your body.
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And this podcast is one of those where you know we're sitting down, we're gonna talk for an hour.
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I will crash this afternoon, but that's okay because I this is this just gives me you know such light um uh in my life, and hopefully to some of our listeners.
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:40.480
Um I gotta cover one other quick thing, and I know Nikki's got a light, and she's had a lot of light this summer.
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Palisade Peaches.
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Oh my effing god.
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Okay, you know, I mean the the the heat this year we've talked about not being so great, but like I don't know, maybe it's done something for the peaches because you love it.
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:56.480
They're so good.
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I texted you yesterday because uh you gave me one of the peaches and I cut it up, put in, put them in Greek yogurt, granola, and honey.
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Insane.
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So good, and like a healthy, like sweet snack.
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So healthier.
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:18.400
Um we have been on this peaches because they're they're the sweetest.
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:21.839
They're they're the best peach.
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:26.319
I don't know if it's just because of you know what I'm going through and my taste buds.
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The peaches this year are insane.
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They're so good.
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We have gone through like three cases of them.
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Um, we have them every night, uh, you know, at night.
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I've got a case in the kitchen that are are still a bit firm.
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I'm hoping by tonight they'll be soft enough.
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Because the a hard peach is like a hard, a hard pick.
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Either right, the exact right temperature.
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And uh as opposed to a canned peach, which is like an abomination of God.
00:26:55.279 --> 00:27:01.039
Um you've got to have f these these fresh peaches.
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:05.759
So I get uh I've gotten a lot of joy out of the Palisade Peaches this year.
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.240
Yeah, but uh Nikki, how about you?
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:13.119
How you've I know you've found a lot of light in darkness this summer.
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:14.400
You've had a great summer.
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.880
I've had probably one of the busiest summers in a minute.
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:25.200
I didn't intend for it to be that way, other than I wanted to she's popular.
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:41.279
Dad, no, because I really wanted to make uh this year about intention and being really intentional on how I spend my time and the relationships that I have.
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:46.559
And um, I really value quality time with my family and friends.
00:27:46.880 --> 00:28:05.519
Um, I would these days, I would much rather go get coffee one-on-one with a friend or spend, you know, going over to their house for dinner and just like spending that quality time together in like a smaller group versus going to a large party or something.
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:12.079
Um, but this summer I have traveled all over for both business and personal reasons.
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:27.599
Um, on the business side, I had a trip to New York and I was really emotional about that because growing up after watching Devilwears Prada, and also through my journalism background I and in yearbook, I always wanted to work for a magazine.
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:32.480
And I thought I would work be, you know, working in New York uh one day at Vogue or something.
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:45.440
And obviously my career isn't there, but it was really fulfilling, and I was proud of myself for just having that opportunity and to conduct business in New York City was um a huge plus for me and just exciting.
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.839
Um, and then we also had a work trip.
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:53.599
Um, was able to go to Vermont and experience that state for the first time, which was so beautiful.
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:58.640
And Colin was able to meet me and we did a e-bike tour.
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I don't I don't think I've done Vermont.
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It's it's gorgeous up there.
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.480
It it's East Coast, but it doesn't feel like the East Coast.
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.200
It kind of feels like a I've done a lot of Northeast.
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:11.440
I I don't think I've done Vermont.
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:13.039
Yeah, it's go ahead.
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:22.640
Uh a beautiful greenery on the water, um, a huge focus on sustainability and um just some really down-to-earth people as well.
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.079
I I really enjoyed that.
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:31.200
But we did an e-bike tour um near Stowe, Vermont, and it was on an old railroad path.
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:33.119
They've done a lot of that around the country.
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.240
Yeah, because old railroad paths into into bike paths.
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Biking trails.
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:49.039
We uh Colin and I just had so much fun disconnecting and being outdoors, and I think we rode like 30 miles on the e-bike, which sounds like a lot, but when you are going 30 miles per hour.
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.039
Um And it's an e-bike, yeah.
00:29:51.200 --> 00:30:01.839
Yeah, but it was great to disconnect from uh nature in that way, and then I was able to go visit my really good friend Lily and her husband Matt out in Alaska.
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:07.519
Um, and I you know you caught yourself some big fish.
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:19.920
Well, I did, but backing up, I think I was really nervous about that trip because I get really motion sickness, and anyone who has motion sickness knows buses, planes, cars, boats.
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.079
Do you you get that from your grandma Marlene?
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:30.480
Do you do you know that Grandma Marlene would get uh seasick from watching a video of a boat on the water?
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.000
Oh no, I I would too.
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:33.440
It's gotten worse with age as well.
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:39.519
I didn't know that Grandma Marlene had it as well, but um I actually got prescribed medicine and I was like, you know what?
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.119
I'm gonna take the opportunity, push myself out of my comfort zone.
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:50.480
I'm gonna go fishing, I'm gonna go flying, and I'm just gonna really immerse myself in this adventure because why not?
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:58.960
Um, and I ended up not only having just such an amazing time with my friends and like that deep quality time to connect with them was so special to me.
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:10.960
But also just I really like this summer has really sparked my my love for nature again and just being outside and taking advantage of the beautiful world and all of that that has to offer.
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:12.319
So that was wonderful.
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.079
I caught a big, big fish, had one of those belt things on.
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:18.640
I felt like I was in Jaws, which makes no sense.
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.960
I mean, it wasn't the ocean, but and I was like, you know, you have to hook it in to the belt.
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:24.960
And um I'm excited.
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.240
We were fishing for like seven hours.
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:33.680
Sorry, I had to throw in a jaws reference because Nikki Nikki mentioned uh Quint.
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.039
Um you threw me off with the with your quote.
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:38.400
You had the belt on.
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:45.839
Oh, yeah, had the belt on, and we were deep sea fishing at like 300 feet deep, and I I was just happy to be there.
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:53.200
Even if I didn't catch a fish, I was just so thrilled to have that opportunity and spend time with my friends, and it was amazing.
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:54.079
I loved it.
00:31:54.240 --> 00:32:02.160
Um, and then just last weekend I flew to Los Angeles to hang out with my best friend from high school, Alicia, and I love LA.
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:19.519
Like there's just such a creative atmosphere, and I know LA can also be like a little pretentious, and all the influencers are there, but um, I always feel really sparked and sparked from a creative standpoint when I visit LA, and also my cup is always filled when I visit Alicia.
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.920
Like we can hang out for days upon days and not get sick of each other.
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:29.839
Um, I've got I've got several of your friends that are my favorites, and and Alicia is certainly one of them.
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.200
I know, I know.
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:44.720
Um, so I have just been able to really I really find joy in traveling and also just disconnecting and spending quality time, and that's that's what I've been doing all summer, just traveling around.
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.240
Yeah, you've had a lot of trips.
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:46.799
Yes.
00:32:47.119 --> 00:33:03.039
Um it just it just has been busy, uh, which helps because we we we have a uh a monthly cadence here on the Butterfly Pavilion Podcast between between my energy and the energy it takes to to uh record and produce.
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:08.799
Um it I think it's a great cadence for us, but uh it sounds like an amazing summer.
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.279
I I I told you about my uh Alaska fishing trip.
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:29.519
Um this was back in holy cow, um late 80s, early 90s, and we took a couple of clients that's right on a I may have talked about this in a previous podcast, but we took them on a fishing boondoggle trip.
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.279
That's a really awesome experience.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:32.319
Oh my god.
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.839
We we we did a day of deep sea fishing, we did a day of fly fishing on the Kenai.
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:48.079
Um, but the deep sea, I was kind of in the back of the boat, um, and the dogs are wanting to enter the chat, which is just fine because we have a dog-friendly chat.
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.240
I was in the back of the boat and I didn't quite fully hear the instructions.
00:33:52.400 --> 00:34:05.279
So I my only point of reference was like marlin fishing, where you're like you, you're like, you know jerking the the rod and you're you're leaning in and and reeling and all that.
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.000
Yeah, because you definitely gotta hook them on there, you know.
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:28.960
I I had I had one or two uh fish on the line, but I I went with the marlin approach, and I learned later that you basically have to let the halibut fundamentally just swallow uh the bait uh for a minute or two, and then it's just an easy reel-in.
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.960
But there's a little kid on his boy uh on the boat playing it on his Game Boy.
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.559
He he caught a fish.
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I did not.
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.440
Um the kid with the Game Boy.
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.239
Yeah, he was he was playing on his Game Boy all day long.
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.280
He came out in the last 30 minutes, caught a fish, and I was out there all day.
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.760
Well, last last thing about Alaska because it's amazing.
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:49.840
I well also wildlife.
00:34:50.000 --> 00:35:02.800
I I saw so much wildlife, and also it was sunny the whole time we were there because my other best gal friend, Leanne and I, went and we just kept I just kept joking, like the sun's out because we're here.
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:08.880
But Lily was like, it's never like this, it's never sunny this long.
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.119
And up there in the summer, the sun doesn't set until 11 p.m.
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.679
So it just kind of messes with you.
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.920
But we depending on the time of the year.
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:18.559
For sure.
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.400
Um, but only in the summertime.
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:30.400
Um, but we went to like a wildlife conservatory and we saw bears, we saw moose, um, elk, we saw a white wolf, which was super cool.
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.679
Um, and then when we were fishing, it was a white wolf.
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.280
What that's a that's a young Frankenstein reference.
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:41.760
Okay.
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:42.960
I was like, huh?
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.639
We have movie quotes at the end of this thing.
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:48.079
You said wolf, and I had to do the werewolf?
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.440
It reminded me of uh Wolf in Game of Thrones.
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.840
But anyway, like a dire wolf.
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.559
Um, but we were out fishing and we saw some whales, but they were really far away.
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:09.360
And the only reason why we were, you know, saw them essentially was because they they, you know, blew out of their air holes or whatever, and they made that sound, like the sh sound.
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:13.440
And the whole time we were just like, we were drift fishing.
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.079
So we were literally in the Gulf of Alaska, okay?
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.840
And you know, whales are so massive and they can swim so fast.
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.840
So we also weren't trying to disrupt them by any means, but we were also fishing.
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:28.400
And on our way back, we're driving back to Whittier, which is where we docked out of.
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.280
And um, all of a sudden we see whales.
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:39.119
And this whole time we were like, oh, we really just want to see the tail flip, you know, when the whale, when it would be awesome if we're gonna slapping on the water.
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:45.199
And the whole time we just kind of saw them like calm like up a little bit and down, but we never saw the full fin.
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:46.079
The full fin.
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And so we kind of got bored of the whales.
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:49.440
Yeah, they're their tail.
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:49.920
You're right.
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.880
And we're on the way back and we're like, oh my gosh, the whales again.
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.719
And then we were like, oh my gosh, like it's gonna do the flip, it's gonna do the flip.
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:01.519
And we were all like just staring intently, like driving back to Whittier.
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:03.599
And the whale did the tail flip.
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.480
And so we were all on the boat, like, yeah, like we're gonna do it.
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:11.599
Well, it like splat splashes the tail in the water, yeah, or flips it up in the air.
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:21.679
Well, like it's when they're coming up for air, they they kind of come you know up to the surface, but then if they really have that momentum, the tail comes up and it flips out of the water.
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:27.360
So I saw a whale tail flip, and it was just like the coolest thing ever.
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It was great.
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:29.760
Wow, it was awesome.
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.199
Shout out, Lily and Matt.
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:31.599
Thanks.
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:33.199
Well, and and great friends.
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:33.519
Yeah.
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:40.000
Um Leanne, you know, great, great friends of yours.
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:41.199
So I'm glad you're able to do that.
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:41.519
Yeah.
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.880
Sad because it continues because you've got you've got more.
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.920
You got a trip to Mexico City coming up.
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.599
Yeah, to Mexico.
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:54.480
Um, we're gonna go to Cancun and Oaxaca, actually, which is close to Mexico City.
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.239
I hope I pronounce that right.
00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:01.360
Because last time I talked to Grandpa Jim about it, he was like, that's not how you pronounce it.
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:03.760
I was like, that's a hard one to pronounce.
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:07.119
It's spelled like O-A-X-A-C-A, I think.
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:07.519
Yeah.
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:09.440
I I won't begin to try and present it.
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:16.800
Yeah, anyways, but yeah, it's it's been good and yeah, I'm just excited for the the rest of the year.
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:18.159
Super, super.
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:26.239
Well, we want to um um a couple of other quick things I want to cover.
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:47.119
Um late one night I I entered Franzi, I say Franzi, I entered us into a uh America's favorite couple contest um just because I think she's an amazing caregiver and she is deserves her flowers and you know, going back to talking about the vibrancy of life experiences, etc.
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.159
Uh, we were second in the wild card.
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.880
Um, so wanted to thank everybody that voted for us.
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.000
It was kind of fun to compete because I'm a salesperson, I'm competitive.
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.920
Um did I ever tell you the pink torpedo story?
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.639
Pink torpedo.
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:05.519
No, I don't think so.
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:06.639
I am so competitive.
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.440
So we were on a president's club trip.
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.000
Um presidents club in college?
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:13.840
Or no for for work.
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:14.400
For work.
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:30.639
Okay, like a sales sales thing for people that exceeded at their quotas uh with a company called Ascend Communications, which was ultimately bought by Lucent uh Technologies uh for$24 billion with a B.
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:38.079
Um probably one of the best companies I ever worked for, Fun'cause Companies did did pretty well there.
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:54.079
But we were at President's Club, I think it was Hawaii, and yes, it was out drinking at the pool, and they had this water slide, and it wasn't super long, but it it was a pretty good-sized water slide in a smaller pool.
00:39:54.400 --> 00:40:04.320
So we got into this thing where we were uh timing each other on the fastest.
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.039
Because we were saw all these salespeople are so competitive.
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:21.760
So we got into this, you know, and and so at on that uh trip, um, I was going so fast they nicknamed me the Pink Torpedo because of my body and uh my red hair and pinkness.
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.079
Um yeah, your sunburnt skin or something.
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.360
This is the pink torpedoes new nickname you've left.
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:32.480
I I haven't heard that story, which is hilarious and also very on brand for you.
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:43.280
But I do remember the only reason why I remember this Hawaii trip is because I remember that you told us kids that you and Franzi were going to Hawaii, and I was like pissed that we weren't going.
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:44.079
Oh, yeah.
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.239
With like a beautiful glass plaque, and it was like President's Club Hawaii, and I was like, ugh.
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:58.000
Well, I think I had promised somewhere along the line, I had either promised you or you had it in your head that I promised you a trip to Hawaii.
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:11.760
And so um that was probably in the in the era of of uh Lindsay Lohan's parent trap, uh, where you weren't fully on board yet with with stepmom.
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:19.199
So I go off to Hawaii with with uh my girlfriend at the time, uh, because I don't think we were engaged yet.
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:21.199
Um yeah, you were hella pissed.
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.519
Because I think we shipped you off to, I don't know.
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.760
I well, hey, you know what?
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:31.039
You and Franzi have provided a plethora of amazing trips and vacations.
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.239
So I'll I'll let the whole the president's club circa 2005 go.
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:36.559
Okay.
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:37.599
Yeah.
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.960
Well, that that could be a whole episode talking of our our trips around the world.
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:44.079
Oh my god, yeah, we should.
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.360
We've done Florence, you've we did we've done London.
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.719
Uh I'm adding that to our podcast ideas because we do we love to travel together with family.
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:54.480
Travel is a whole episode.
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:55.199
Oh yeah.
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:56.800
I'm writing it down now.
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:02.079
So you know, thank you to those that voted uh for the pink the for the pink torpedo.
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:10.719
Um one one little quick other topic uh that we want to talk about is birds and bats.
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.480
Uh before we get into cancer.
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:16.320
Oh my gosh.
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.559
Um, I'm I'm trying to be mindful.
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.199
I feel like I've been talking so much this episode, Dad.
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.920
Um I'm I'm trying I'm trying to improve and give you equal equal time.
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:27.199
Well, thanks, Dad.
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:28.239
I appreciate it.
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:37.760
Um, but in our neighborhood this summer, um at dusk, because it's been so hot outside, that's like the only time we can really walk the dogs.
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.880
And I work East Coast hours, so I don't really get up to at four in the morning to walk Mac.
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.920
But at night I've started noticing there's been freaking bats flying around.
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.079
And it's not just like one or two.
00:42:50.320 --> 00:43:00.320
Every night there's like 50 bats flying around, and I am like, I love the spooky vibes, and tell me why like a bat is so much cooler to me than a bird.
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.639
I I I'm like, oh, the bats are so cute.
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.760
Whereas a bird's I'm like, heck no, get me away.
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:10.559
Yeah, so I don't know why.
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:23.679
Um and I should have pulled up a good uh you know, Frankens or a good uh uh vampire uh uh quote, but yeah, our neighborhood is is full of bats.
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.679
And I don't know, I mean I've seen a bat before.
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.920
The the the bats are everywhere.
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:31.920
I don't know what's going on with the bats.
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:41.360
Well, because I did look it up, and obviously Colorado is known for having bats, but I feel like in this city has been an experience like I've been.
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:44.000
I don't think that's a well I don't think that's a well known fact.
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.840
I I don't know.
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:51.760
Um, but they do hunt at dusk, and I think they live in the abandoned hospital building back there.
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.400
Because only the creepy.
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:56.800
Well, where else would they live?
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.760
Like McCollin was like we we live we live near
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:11.440
Near a a uh CU campus uh used to have Anshut's, I think it was Anchutes, right around Ninth and Colorado in in Denver.
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:21.280
Uh they tore it down, so they created you know uh retail space, which we love because we've got a brand new well relatively brand new movie theater, et cetera, et cetera.
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:32.159
Um, but one of the buildings that they didn't tear down was this old dormit nurses dormitory, and and at night um it it looks creepy.
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:38.400
It like can you imagine just being in an abandoned hospital and the pitch black in the middle of the night?
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:45.360
There's totally ghosts in there, but again, it's not just like one or two bats, there's like 50 to 100.
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:53.039
So I think they live in the in the in the the ghost the the nurse ghost hospit hospital dormitory.
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:54.719
Maybe we'll scope it out one night.
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.760
That's kind of like the pigeon building on Colfax.
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.880
There was an abandoned building on Colfax.
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.960
Uh Franzi's not here, she'd be able to tell me what it used to be, but it's not far just north of here.
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.440
And there was like 10 million pigeons that lived in this house.
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.320
See, no.
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:12.800
Yeah.
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:17.039
Well, and um, did you wash your hands after that?
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.119
I would not step foot in that box.
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.840
That sounds like my work worst nightmare.
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:26.719
But did we talk about how I got chased by a crow?
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.480
Um recently?
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:32.000
Yes, dad.
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:33.039
Oh no, we have not.
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:47.840
Okay, I'm about to dive into this because in the Purple Delight episode, we talked about the origin of your fear of birds, and that was riding on Purple Delight under the viaduct and and having the birds you thought attacking you.
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.000
So, well, just just wait.
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.159
This would only happen to me, right?
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.360
Someone who is already afraid of birds don't like them.
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:56.719
This was earlier in the summer.
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.079
I'm walking Mac outside, normal route, nothing crazy.
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.760
All of a sudden, a crow who's like double the size of my head dive bombs me.
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:11.039
I'm obviously freaking out because that's scary, right?
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.840
So I'm like, okay, uh, don't know what that was.
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:14.880
I'm gonna keep going.
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.480
I cross the street with Mac.
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.440
Um, it dive bombs me again.
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.400
So at this point, I'm freaking out, okay?
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.519
If you can just imagine me like with Mac.
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.320
Also, there's no one around, by the way, somehow.
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.559
There's nobody outside or no witnesses to the situation.
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.840
Um did you have some like goldfish crackers in uh in your open backpack that they were doing?
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:50.400
It was just me, and I was like, I had just gotten my nails done, like a chrome color, and so I was like, does is it chasing me because crows like shiny things, I think, and maybe it was nesting, or I don't know.
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:55.360
It proceeds to chase me for six blocks.
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.039
Oh my god.
00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:59.280
I'm freaking out.
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:00.320
I start running.
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:06.960
I was like, I am close to this dye bombing crowd, like right by my head.
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:08.639
I thought it was going within a few feet.
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:10.400
Yes, dad, if not more.
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:13.599
I was so scared, I was like, this is a bad omen.
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:14.880
I am cursed.
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:16.480
Maybe it's the hair.
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.840
That's the other thing because crows, I've looked this up, trust me.
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:21.840
They're really smart, they remember people.
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:26.079
Also, when my my hair was down like it is now, I'm easy to spot.
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.119
I'm easy to find.
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:39.760
I think either they are related to the the pigeons in Decoven Park when you were writing Purple Delight as a kid, or they listened to that episode and they know that you have a fear of birds.
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:41.119
I so yes, I'm freaking out.
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:42.159
I'm fear.
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.199
I almost had to knock on somebody, a stranger's door.
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:46.800
Okay, that's how scared I was.
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.639
Meanwhile, at the very end, because I start running, okay, but it's a bird.
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.880
It's it's flying everywhere, it's following me.
00:47:53.119 --> 00:48:01.360
I hid hid behind a dumpster in an alley, freaking out, almost to the point of crying, but then Max also freaked out, obviously.
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:04.960
And I call Colin and I'm like, oh my god, like this crow is chasing me.
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:05.920
Like, I don't know what to do.
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.480
And I was speaking so fast, I fear took over, and Colin thought a human was chasing me.
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.199
And I was like, no, it was a freaking crow.
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.920
So I finally like got back to my house.
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:22.079
So did he find the that story funny or was he sympathetic?
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:22.719
Oh no.
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.000
Or a combination of both.
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.480
At first, of course, Colin's amazing.
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:27.920
He was super sympathetic.
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:32.400
He wanted to ensure that I was okay because I was genuinely freaked out.
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.239
I also was like, I'm cursed.
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:35.280
Why is this happening to me?
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.280
It's a I've seen too many horror movies.
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:43.199
Um, but then we did look it up, and around the beginning of the summer is when the crow's mating seasons are.
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.719
So if you get too close to a nest, they will do that.
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:51.840
They are known to follow you and they will will remember you if you come back.
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.000
So I have not walked that same route.
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:55.440
Stay away from the nest.
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:56.960
Well, how was I supposed to know?
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:57.360
I don't know.
00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.119
I'm no, I'm just I'm trying to figure out.
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:01.199
Yeah, anyways, that would only happen to me.
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:02.559
How to prevent it in the future.
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:04.239
Crows, thumbs down.
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:04.480
Yeah.
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.079
Bats, thumbs up.
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.599
Yeah, bats, very cool.
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:17.440
Franzi's got a Franzi downloaded the the bird app that will tell you what bird happens to be chirping or singing in the neighborhood.
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:18.960
Alicia also has that app.
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.440
Mildly infatuated with birds as well, because she downloaded an app.
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:25.360
Could it be me, Franzi?
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:26.320
Could it be me?
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:32.239
Yeah, so um time, I think, to give a page four update.
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:33.119
Yes.
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:33.920
Page four.
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.559
Page four cancer update.
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:43.119
Yeah, so we call it page four uh because it's stage four cancer and play on words, I guess.
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:59.119
Um I believe we talked about doing a trial in the Wonder Years episode that I had my siblings on, which was awesome to have childhood stories uh with my siblings.
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:11.119
Um, and as we consistently talk about on the podcast, PSA is is something that you men should be getting tested as an indicator or potential indicator for prostate cancer.
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:13.199
All men get your PSA tested.
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:13.840
Yes.
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:20.079
Um, but it is also a barometer of sorts um for cancer activity.
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.039
So uh I get measured often.
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:36.159
Um we were going to do a Merck trial earlier in the summer, or yeah, six six, seven months ago, because my PSA had dropped in the danger zone.
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:40.000
My PSA, or no, my PSA was rising, rather.
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.679
PSA dropped, so I was no longer eligible for the trial, but that's good news.
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:54.639
So any any quarter you can go with PSA in normal range, which means typically cancer is not active or growing, is a good thing.
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:59.920
Um so once again it started to rise, and so we had to game plan with Dr.
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:11.119
Eiley and uh UC Health and the great people at uh CU Anchutes Cancer Center and uh decided on a immunotherapy trial.
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:22.559
We had started that, and in fact, um I think my favorite um Instagram reel is the Jojo Rabbit dance scene.
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.079
So you will have to check that out.
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:28.320
We'll we will link it in the podcast or peruse our podcast.
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:40.639
So Nikki came down one day for one of my infusions and and uh you know to add light and darkness that day, we did a play on the the the the end of the movie Jojo Rabbit, which you've just gotta see it.
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:51.840
But uh I can't words can't describe the end of that movie, and um it was a lot of fun doing a uh a uh cancer infusion chair dance.
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.440
Um choreography.
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:54.239
Choreography.
00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:06.320
Um things, you know, I I I did the step-up doses, did the full dose, and there's a ton of testing, ton of imaging, ton of blood work.
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:07.679
A lot of time at the hospital.
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.360
A lot of time at the hospital.
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:15.679
There's one day that I'm there like every day of the week, um, and that certainly takes a toll on my body.
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:33.599
But I my litter numbers were out of whack, uh like way out of whack, um, to the point where uh, and he labeled this as autoimmune hepatitis, which sounds really scary, um, and it can be very serious.
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:41.360
Um, so it's essentially my body's immune system was attacking the liver, um, which is not good.
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:43.760
So we immediately halted treatment.
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.679
I was very excited because I was going in for my next treatment, met with Dr.
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.559
Eiley's like, hey, your liver numbers are off.
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.599
We gotta evaluate what's happening.
00:52:54.079 --> 00:53:01.519
Not just pump the brakes, we gotta park the car in the in the lot um to get these liver numbers back in order.
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:06.159
So it's been, gosh, I'd want to say over a month.
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:23.599
They put me on a lung antibacterial and like 80 milligrams of steroids prednisone every day, um, which has its own nuances because 10 milligrams will wire me.
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.360
Um, so you definitely need to take that in the morning.
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.559
Um, but sleep just all of a sudden just wrecked me.
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:33.280
But I was that high.
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.119
80 milligrams is a lot.
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:37.039
It's a lot of freaking pregnancy.
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:43.199
So you know, I was just amped out of my freaking mind on uh the prednisone.
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:48.159
Um good news was that it it did give me energy during the day.
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:52.880
Um, you know, but it was it was a drug energy.
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.559
Um, and then at night I had uh you know quite a hard time sleeping.
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:58.320
So I've been tapering off that.
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.800
The numbers did eventually go down.
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.000
Uh news.
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:10.159
Give me great news as of like um but it freaked me out because the the that week was a setback.
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:31.599
No, it was a setback, but I think we met Eiley on a Tuesday or a Thursday and had the funeral for my half-brother that Friday, and part of um is a long story, but one of the things you know it was liver failure, uh, among a few other body things that were shutting down.
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:38.320
So I get this, you know, you know, the portal is good is good, it can be bad.
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.320
You know, good is you get news right away and you get a lot of detail.
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:51.599
Bad is you can your mind can go crazy and inter misinterpret or let your imagination run while imagination run wild.
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:56.559
But it's like what is wrong with you on the internet via WebMD?
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And it's just uh causes a a spiral because it's like it's cool that you have access to all of this information in the portal, but then at the same time, I think it's like we have to I say we, but like approach it with caution and understand like maybe checking it right before you go to bed isn't the best idea.
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Right, right.
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Well, it it was a mind fuck because I literally, you know, had this celebration of life on Friday, and I in within a day of getting this news, so my my mind goes crazy, and you know, I'm you know, because there were a lot of same words that were used, but it was the this this was a different, it it very specifically was this autoimmune hepatitis, which again sounds very, very, very bad and serious, and it can be unless it's treated.
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.000
Good news is that my numbers are now back in range.
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:59.519
So as of uh this recording date, uh you know, three days ago, I did get a portal message.
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It's eight August 23rd, by the way.
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August 23rd.
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What is August 23rd?
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You said today.
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Oh I was just we might post this later.
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Yes, we're recording August 23rd, but it was been, you know, the 21st.
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Dr.
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Eiley sends me a note, and the uh drug sponsor, which happens to be Johnson and Johnson, came back and said, yo, you're eligible, go back on the trial.
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:35.840
Uh which is great because you know, the being on the steroids, you know, I was fundamentally on not on any cancer treatment.
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:40.639
So you know, I often talk about playing offense, playing defense.
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:47.599
To me, it was it it also was stressful because I'm not treating my cancer right now.
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:55.119
Well, it's like it was defensive in a way, but like one part of the field versus, you know.
00:56:55.599 --> 00:57:03.840
Yeah, we had to, we had to there was a little force fire that that cropped up with this hepatitis that we that we had to address.
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.599
Um Yeah.
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Um so we are on schedule to do another ramp up.
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.960
Unfortunately, we got to ramp up again to that 300 milligrams.
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:25.280
Um uh so that is I believe middle of September, um, where I will pick up the infusions again.
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:35.199
So yeah, I'm excited about that, you know, because you know, right now I'm not treating my cancer, and the PSA has risen.
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:43.119
And we've been testing weekly um for on primarily on the liver numbers, but they test PSA while they're doing that.
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:48.639
Um PSA has started to rise, so I'm up in the six range, which makes me nervous.
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:53.360
But they also said as part of the trial you have to be at a certain range.
00:57:53.679 --> 00:58:01.280
Well, no, they for the trial sp specifically don't focus on the PSA, they want to focus on the images.
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:08.000
Uh because we did we did baseline images, so I had a uh um three different images.
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:19.920
I think a pet, a uh an MRI, and a C T I think were the three, because they want to get a you know photograph or snapshot of where's the cancer.
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:33.280
Um and good news is there's no new areas, um, which is great, but it you know, I think we've covered before it's prostate that's metastasized a bone.
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:39.039
I've got it, you know, in several areas, too many areas to to use radiation as an option.
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:58.800
So um it's kind of been an up and down and emotional uh five, six weeks with all that going on, but um we are excited because the trial is is uh gonna be resuming you know kind of a w the week after Labor Day.
00:58:59.360 --> 00:58:59.599
Yeah.
00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:01.119
No, it's which is awesome.
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Yeah, I think it's given us some hope, and um I'm so glad that we're able to have access to this trial and some progressive medicine, and um we'll we'll go from there.
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:18.400
But we're we're back on track, so that's good.
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Yeah.
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Um we're almost at our hour of ginger power.
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We are, which brings us to one of my favorite segments.
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Movie quotes.
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Movie quotes, and we don't have a jingle for that.
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I know that was my made-up jingle.
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Do movie quotes quotes.
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We'll have to hit up to hit up Uncle Tim for a movie quote jingle because the fan mail one is is just awesome.
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Uh as I shift in the in the chair.
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So this is where I I pull up movie quotes.
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Nikki does not know what they are, she has to guess them, um, which I have a lot of fun with.
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I think some of our listeners may have fun with.
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And as always, I try and some of them might be easy for you.
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Um might be a little more difficult.
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See.
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We'll see.
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I'm ready.
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Bring it on.
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I've got two.
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Yeah, I've got two from the first movie.
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Okay.
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If I were king of the fourth.
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Your Majesty, if you were king, you wouldn't be afraid of anything.
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Not nobody, not know how.
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Not a rhinoceros?
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Imposterous.
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What about a hippopotamus?
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.760
Well, I'd thrash him from top to bottom us.
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Supposing you met an elephant, I'd wrap him up in cellophant.
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And and two quotes?
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Th those are the oh, I've got a sec oh Well, a different the second quote was the same movie?
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A second quote.
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.360
Yeah, I do have a second and second one.
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I think it's from the same character.
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Put 'em up, put em up.
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Which one of you first?
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I'll fight both of you.
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Both of you together.
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I'll fight ya with one paw tied behind my back.
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Um, is this the jungle book?
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Oh, Jesus.
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Did I get it?
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This this is a three-foot pot.
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No.
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.039
I didn't- wait, I didn't get it?
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No, this is not jungle book.
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Okay, keep going.
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Damn it.
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:16.000
Those are the two quotes.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh.
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:19.119
Um, Princess Brad?
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One of Grandma Merlene's favorite movies.
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Okay, well, I'm I'm over two.
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Oh my god.
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Wizard of Oz.
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Oh my god.
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:28.800
Are you serious?
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King of the forest.
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How did you not know that that line?
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I I love the Wizard of Oz.
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I have seen it so many times.
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Tell me why I just I I botched that.
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I botched it.
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Okay.
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.840
I thought that was gonna be I thought that was gonna be the easy one.
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All right, well shoot.
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.559
Well, we're so let's move on to the second movie.
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:53.840
All right.
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Uh walk right, safe side.
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:01.760
Walk left, safe side.
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Walk middle, sooner or later, squish.
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Get to squish just like grape.
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Is there another second quote?
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Wax on right hand.
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.159
Wax off left hand.
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Wax on, wax off.
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.679
Breathe into nose, out the mouth.
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:27.119
Karate kid?
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That is karate kid.
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Woo! I got it! Okay, karate.
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.880
I I I am not gonna apologize.
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There was a slight accent.
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:43.039
Um, you know, I I I do believe that uh appropriating accents is racist.
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:51.119
Um, you know, but if a comedian was doing a karate quote kit, you know, quote, you you I anyway.
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.559
Thanks for the classification, dad, that you're not a racist.
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:55.119
Yeah.
01:02:55.360 --> 01:03:04.159
You you know you're not a racist when you are racist when you say, well, I'm not a racist, but um yeah, so I I I was that was Patrick.
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:06.719
So that was Pat Merida.
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:10.800
Um how did I get the difficult one and not the easy one?
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:11.840
Um, don't know.
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:16.239
But I were like the wax on, wax off quote is pretty famous.
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:19.760
So that's when and it also sounded like training to me.
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:24.159
So and I I had a feeling because that's a pretty popular movie that I could I feel like you would pick.
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.159
So well, I thought put 'em up, put em up.
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Which one are you first?
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:28.559
I'll find your books together.
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:29.440
Lyon.
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I got that now.
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:34.159
Anyway.
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:35.199
It was pretty good.
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:39.440
Yeah, well, that that is this week's movie quotes.
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Nikki, anything you want to end this uh week's dad.
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:47.039
Well, thank you.
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:52.480
No, this was I know it's been a busy summer and it's great to have you in the studio.
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:54.559
Um, we have studio lights this week.
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:55.119
I know.
01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:01.119
I actually arrived today and dad, we had a our whole setup ready to go.
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:07.199
I was pretty impressed with the the addition of the lighting and um this week in front of the old man painting.
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:09.599
And no, yeah, we we love this old man painting.
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.599
And I I did I didn't officially cry today, but I do have our cry jar.
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:24.880
I was getting a little teary-eyed just because I'm I'm really proud of you for the resiliency and strength that you you bring to the family and also just your outlook on life is is really inspiring.
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:29.760
So I I did get a little teary-eyed, but I didn't want to not quite cry jar.
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:30.800
Not quite level.
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:32.400
But I it it was good.
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:42.320
You you hit it well because of course I would I was trying to face the audience camera, and you have you know, going back and forth, but excellent.
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:50.000
Well, I think we can wrap uh this week's this week's this month's episode of the Butterfly Favilion.
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Thanks as always for tuning in.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, thanks so much.
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We'll see you next time.
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Bye.