PICK SIX - NFL DFS Week 7

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Roto-Rotter's NFL Pick Show, week six show, week seven. Rich Rebar, sharp football analysis, Don Daigle from ETR. TJ, TJ's works producing with us today. Shout out to TJ. He won our movie contest once again. We'll be talking about another TJ movie later on in the show, talking about Tuner. Tuner later on in the show, but of course, an hour and a half or so, give or take, of content for the NFL Pick 6 show for week number seven.
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Speaker 2: Ten games.
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Speaker 1: Ten games once again because we have another game overseas. I believe that is France, if I'm not mistaken, as far as a Sunday morning game. If you're first time here, where have you guys been the entire season?
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Speaker 2: Where are you at?
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Speaker 1: But the rules, you guys know the deal. We focus on the three main games on the slate, on the main slate, not on Sunday night or Monday nights. We're not talking about those games. Not talking about the Pats or the Bears, KC, Seattle.
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Speaker 2: 7-3 split.
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Speaker 1: Once again, seven games early, three late. At least two of the late games are pretty appealing. But, you know, my lobbying has not paid off. I want four late games. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is. John Daigle, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Although it is pretty great that you can then cover the quad box with as many games as you have. So definitely don't mind that part of it.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, sure.
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Speaker 3: Another interesting slate where you can go a lot of different directions. I feel like we struggled for a third game this week as we're all waiting out injury reports. But we'll get into the positional plays and talk about some funky plays, I think, for this week.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Wednesday night, if you guys aren't with us live, we record Wednesday night, and it looks like T. Lee, you know, Vegas is suggesting that Baltimore is going to be without Lamar once again, but they currently have him as dogs at home versus Cincy, so I assume he's not playing, not officially ruled out, but that to me suggests he's not going to be playing tonight. They're slight, just slight dogs here at home. We lost Devontae Adams. We'll talk about the Rams later on in the show. Of course, J.J. McCarthy starting for the Giants. Buffalo, Jacksonville, the Chargers, who really need their bye. uh, on by this week, as well as Washington, rich rebar from sharp football analysis. We'll jump rich. Welcome to week seven. I'm I, uh, I had the worst week of the season week six, not just with our personal contest, but my ROI was terrible. So I'm happy to look forward to week seven. How was your week seven? Anything of notes and no, no week six. And, uh, you know, now we're going to talk about week seven.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was okay. DFS was, was fine. Got dragged in, in the player prop streets. Uh, no, that wasn't great. Um, And season long was kind of up and down too. It was a terrible week though for football. It was the second lowest scoring week of the season. More penalties, more injuries, all those fun things that we love.
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Speaker 3: I believe I saw, there were multiple ways to winning last week. The Jameis doubles because neighbors and likely were so successful despite Jameis throwing two picks and getting benched. That took down the Millie maker actually. because Jameis was ultimately so cheap.
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Speaker 2: Without Jameis. He had no Jameis. No, he played likely in neighbors with no Jameis. Oh, he played– I thought he had Jameis in the lineup. Who was the quarterback?
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Speaker 1: Was it Kirk Cousins?
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Speaker 2: It was Penix naked. That was it. Okay, yeah. It was a wild– it was clearly like a lineup that I think was just like a sim lineup where it was like– it was all good plays, but like ones that– Definitely had no rules for, like, most people from, like, an optimizer wouldn't have put these guys together. But it was clearly all, they were all dudes that, like, everyone was on. It just kind of shuffled up. It was, like, Penix solo. It was likely in neighbors, but no Jameis. Incredible.
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Speaker 3: And then the Kirk Cousins with Trey Tucker, no Brock Bowers, took down, like, a lot of the $ 100, the Wildcat 333 tournaments like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I had some cousins teams that were good, but yeah, I went three or four Caleb last week.
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Speaker 1: So not a successful week.
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Speaker 3: Uh, Deandre Swift ended up being optimal cause he poached those two touchdowns instead.
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Speaker 1: Uh, what are you going to do?
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, it's a, it's a new week. We're, we're back to zero. Uh, all of us, uh, you know, a tough week for me, but this is the great thing about DFS. You have a, you have a tough week. You're right back at it.
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Speaker 2: We're all strong. More of them, baby. 12 more.
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Speaker 1: You just got to hit on one or two. They're really, you know, it is true.
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Speaker 2: It is true. It's always tell people it's like, especially when you, you just gotta, you just give a couple of big weeks.
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Speaker 1: Just get lucky once.
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Speaker 2: That's all you need to do.
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Speaker 1: This is the week. This is it. The people in chat, what's up, chat? We love when you guys join us live here on YouTube. Hit that like button. Do subscribe. Turn on those notifications. Do all those things to help us keep the lights on. We do appreciate that. We've got 10 games. Daigle, as always, picks our three main games. First game we're going to talk about, I'm going to throw to Daigle, the Niners. They're at Atlanta. Atlanta, they were a massive– that's kind of what did me in. London and Bichon will be going.
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Speaker 2: Back to them.
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Speaker 1: They're back in the Dome, 49.5 as far as the total. San Fran traveling. They have no receivers. We'll have that conversation. Looks like Mike Evans is going to be down now as well. Man, they're receiving court. Christian Kirk, Brandon Cooks, Jacob Crowing. Cowling. I don't know why I just threw an R in there for no particular reason. It is a mess for sure, but Yeah, Diggle, talking about the Niners and the Falcons, start wherever you want to start.
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Speaker 3: We'll start with the Niners side. This total continues to increase, which I think befuddled me when I first looked at it.
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Speaker 2: Rich attempted to call.
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Speaker 3: The demise of the Niners a couple weeks ago when they went into Denver, and they really weren't successful.
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Speaker 4: He was right.
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Speaker 3: They didn't have a ceiling in that game. I think this is the one that I'm personally calling Like, let's just all calm down for one minute before the Niners hit their bye and get everyone back afterwards. It just seems like being undefeated, we're good right now, especially given what's available for this Niners offense. Because as everyone knows, so far they're undefeated because they are first in practically every single category. Yards per play, EPA per play, success rate.
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Speaker 2: But one.
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Speaker 3: Mike Evans has been truly a difference maker this year. With him off the field, they have actually dropped to 20th in EPA per play as a significantly less efficient offense, including this past week on Monday night whenever he got injured. Brock Purdy, 5 of 9, 50 yards from that point forward, did scramble three times.
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Speaker 2: So I am a little bit worried.
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Speaker 3: About this offense altogether in this spot. Having said that, If people were to play into it, if the cards show on Sunday and we get Brock Purdy in lineups, I won't be shocked either because we believe the targets without Mike Evans and Deebo Samuel are now going to two players. And that is Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle. And even Christian McCaffrey out salary, do I think he has a significant ceiling in this spot?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 3: But like DeAndre Swift last week, If they give him the same amount of touches and workload that they did on Monday night.
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Speaker 2: Can he fall forward for two touchdowns? Absolutely. And that would then make him optimal.
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Speaker 3: Even Roshan and Swift last week in the same spot against the Falcons, we talked about it and they had 29 carries. They barely averaged three yards per carry. They only had two 10 yard runs combined.
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Speaker 2: They weren't even explosive. They just scored touchdowns.
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Speaker 3: And so if Christian McCaffrey is going to get that many touches, then of course he could do that as well.
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Speaker 1: So again, it's at least isolated.
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Speaker 3: It's very concentrated if you want to play the Niners, but I am a little bit worried about the matchup here.
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Speaker 1: West Coast going East Coast. Last game before the bye you're talking about. Evans, he's going to miss some time. Hopefully he's back after the bye. We'll see. He's just an absolute gamer. He was not healthy going into the last game. He was trying to gut it out, and he's paying for it now, I suppose. Yeah, the obvious Purdy, CMC, and Kittle just gets a big chunk of the offense. The problem is it costs me some salary, Rich, to I assume you like that. If you have anything out on by all means, go for it.
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Speaker 2: We love it.
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Speaker 1: The dome as well, but any of these cheap receivers that you can sell me on, is there anybody you're remotely excited about? I mean, whatever's left of Brandon cooks and Christian Kirk, it's nothing to get excited about here. Right? Like what do we do?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the two horses.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: And, and Christian McCaffrey was up until last week. I even remember writing it up. I was like, well, Like, you know, he hasn't had, like, that RB1 overall ceiling, but at any moment, like, they could run out of dudes and have to bump up his touches, and that's exactly what happened on Monday. Played a season high 86% of the snaps, a season high in touches. His rushing work stayed the same. 67% of the backfield attempts is, like, right in line with where he's been. Kalen Black still came in for his 33%. It was the pass catching that he was needed in because we were out of pass catchers. You know, when Big Mike went down. So he had a season-high 35% target share after his target share had dropped like the previous two weeks. And that's kind of where we're at with him. Like, he's going to be needed as a receiver. They're on bye the week after, so I think they can load him up again, especially out of the backfield. These teams played last year, and Jeff Hallberg was the defensive coordinator. Raheem Morris was actually there as the head coach. And McCaffrey had eight targets in that game, too. So I think he can be active as a pass catcher here. Some exciting– usage for maybe DraftKings. The other interesting thing, too, is that in this matchup, there are some rushing metrics that I think do stand out for McCaffrey. One, he ran all over these guys last year. And this is the bad version of Christian McCaffrey, right? for 130 yards and two touchdowns. 49ers ran power at a 30% rate in that game. It was the highest they ran last year. McCaffrey ran for eight yards per carry on power runs. Atlanta's also been really bad this year on inside zone runs. They're allowing just under six yards per carry to running backs. And McCaffrey's at about a 25% rate of those carries too. So there are some avenues I think for Christian McCaffrey to have just like one week, another week before they get the receivers healthy and get, you know, potentially 20, you know, 20 to 25 touches and have maybe six to eight of those be receptions. And then you're just looking for touchdowns that kind of get you the rest of the way.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned CMC in a lot of passes that are going to be thrown his way, but he caught nine balls or so last week.
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Speaker 2: Is there a precedent set?
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Speaker 1: Like, are they at a point as far as the receivers being so depleted that Could he possibly just line up in the slot and they have Black in the backfield? Is that something they could do? Have they done that? I don't think they really would change the position.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They use him so well out of the backfield where he's running all kinds of different stuff anyways. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just kind of figuring because... If we're going to play one of these guys, I mean, they're going to have receivers in the field. They're going to be running routes. They're going to be exercising, as you would say.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it depends. So when Evans left on Monday, they only ran 11 personnel in 14% of their plays. So they can play dudes like Juszczyk and Luke Farrell and create stuff for like McCaffrey out of the backfield and Kittle, right? They don't necessarily have to line up with all these three receivers. Because Christian Kirk, While it's fun coming back because he's a name that people recognize. Dude, he's been out since July with a calf injury. And remember, Christian Kirk the last two years was awful, too. We're just excited because we know who his name is versus Jordan Watkins and Jacob Cowie.
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Speaker 6: We were making some pricing jokes before the show, so this felt like a good time to bring it up to play a quick game of Guess Brandon Cooks' Price.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm staring at it. So, yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be more than cowling, giving that Cooks was owned on the Monday night slate. Oh, I guess this came out before then, though.
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Speaker 1: I'll say $ 3, 700.
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Speaker 2: Can I get a clue? Is it more than Jill McLaughlin last week?
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Speaker 6: Relative to minimum salary, yes. In general, no.
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Speaker 1: It's 4K?
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Speaker 2: $ 4, 200 Brandon Cooks. One target, right?
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Speaker 3: Isn't Cowling 3,200?
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Speaker 1: 35.
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Speaker 4: 35?
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Speaker 3: I think the Sembros are going to get to Cowling just on the routes alone at that cost.
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Speaker 2: Well, he didn't run any routes after Evans left. What is Jordan Watkins?
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, Watkins.
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Speaker 2: That's what I meant, yeah. Is Kirk a full... He's not a full go, right? There's no way he's going to play a ton of snaps. He's literally been out since July.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I mean... Are they going to trade for a receiver or they just don't, I mean, I guess.
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Speaker 2: They don't know. They're going to get the strip club is going to come back at some point.
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Speaker 1: When's he going back? I think like week 12 was like an estimate. Is he the strip club? I didn't know.
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Speaker 2: The strip club. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He's supposed to come back.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, they'll get it. Listen, they just went too far with Evans. Like he was clearly like in the J like he was like limping around for like four weeks and And it's like he just kept picking up new ailments. It was like, what if you just rested for a little bit? I mean, it's the same nine-year story, right?
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Speaker 3: We do this every year, every week with Kyle Shanahan. Their doctors just ask the players if they're good to play. And these guys are gladiators. They're always going to say they're.
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Speaker 2: Good to play. Sometimes you got to take the keys out.
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Speaker 4: Of their hands.
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Speaker 1: When is Debo coming back? I assume after the bye.
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Speaker 2: They didn't put him on IR, so.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: I think we're getting everyone back after the bye. Not all Strib is going to be closer to week 13, 14 for sure.
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Speaker 1: Did you want to give me somebody to go as far as one of these receivers? I mean, you mentioned the CMC and Kittle and Purdy, sure. Any of these receivers you want to put even a mild endorsement behind or no?
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Speaker 3: Well, as I mentioned, it's so concentrated that I could definitely.
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Speaker 2: Play a couple of these players.
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Speaker 3: I do like Rich's angle that Christian McCaffrey makes a lot of sense, just isolated. If we don't think we're going to get Brock Purdy ceiling here, there are a couple other quarterbacks I'd rather play on this slate anyways.
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Speaker 2: And so now Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, like.
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Speaker 3: Those are the two again, who have soaked up 60% of Purdy's targets with Mike Evans off the field this year. So that's really all I'm interested in is those two individuals.
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Speaker 1: And the chat's floating out to one Jennings trade.
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Speaker 2: I've seen that.
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Speaker 1: I've seen people mention that, you know, he's doing nothing obviously. And, I guess he was in San Fran. He knows the system. But, all right, yeah. I mean, like you guys say, at some point, you know, they're going to get reinforcements and, you know, just get through this week, I suppose. Rich, talking about Atlanta, another offense which is really, really, you know, condensed, right? Bijon, massive disappointment last week, didn't get the ball nearly enough.
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Speaker 2: London, same.
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Speaker 1: And Kyle Pitts sucked out with a couple touchdowns. How do you feel about the Atlanta offense this week?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, really weird usage in the first half of that game last week. You know, Bijan looked good to start. Popped his longest on like the second drive.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Was looking good. And then we had 14 Michael Penix dropbacks in the first half to four Bijan runs. Not what you want, right? Not what you want. No. The one thing that we haven't seen from Bijan Robinson since the Cooper Rush season opener too is like he hasn't had the out as a pass catcher this year. You know, he is just, since Michael Penix took over, he has a 12% target share. He's got negative 14 air yards over that span. And last year was like an outlier. Like he had negative, he had 24 air yards as a rookie, minus 21 air yards in 2024. And then he had 101 air yards last year. It was like, we're not getting the fun Bijan receiving usage. And I thought week one, we were just going to lean right into it, right? And we haven't seen that since because, That was a game script where you would expect a guy like Bijan Robinson, like we see with Jameer Gibbs, like, all right, well, they're not going to be running, but my dude's going to get a bunch of dump-offs and he's going to be able to create in space. And that's just been nothing. We haven't seen that with the Atlanta Falcons this year since Penix took over with Bijan Robinson. This would be a spot to dust that off. I mean, 31% of the receptions the 49ers allow go to running backs. That's the highest rate in the league. Some of that is by design because Raheem Morris is wanting you to funnel a you know, throws, you know, near the line of scrimmage and short, come up and tackle. But we would gladly take those if we were allowed to have those. He did have eight targets in this game last year. Granted, you know, different offensive coordinator. They had Zach Robinson last year. But we just haven't seen that usage for him in the passing game. And then, you know, with Drake London, like it just, the targets were there. They were just in a, you know, inaccurate targets last week. He still had 30% of targets, 44% of air yards. just didn't get there. The one thing that he also has have kind of pulling away from is that he's not being utilized in the red zone yet. And that's something I think that will just course correct over time. But he only has 10% of the red zone targets this year. So far, he's never had a red zone target rate below 30% in his career. I would expect those kind of flip at some point. But yeah, just hasn't gotten those looks. He's the only top 30 scoring receiver without a touchdown this year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So there's obviously some more meat in the bone as far as him getting more fantasy points going forward. Yeah, you got to imagine. But 10% you said as far as red zone targets, that's pretty deep. Who are they throwing to? Pitts, mostly?
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Speaker 2: All kinds of random dudes. John Dotson's in here. John Dotson has a 41, 36, 31-yard reception in each of the last three games. Like some big plays.
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Speaker 1: It's annoying. Dago, how do you feel about Atlanta? And just curious if you're a prioritized one, would it be Bijan or CMC?
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Speaker 3: I do feel like we're, it's kind of like Rich hinted at, we're on the verge of the dams breaking and Bijan Robinson soaking up this touchdown regression. It's also a much better spot. Like if you look at, we all have our own expected point models. I use fantasy points data just because it's right there available for me. I combine it with pro football focus, but I know like Rich uses a different model for expected points.
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Speaker 2: JJ Zacharyson uses a different model. We have our own thing. It's free too. You can go use ours.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I can go use yours. Okay, well, right now I'll plug Scott Barrett. But yes, I'll also check out yours, Rich. Beyond that, though, the past two weeks, I mentioned that because Bijan's been the RB15 and RB32, and those teams are league average, the Ravens, and then first in expected points per game allowed to running backs, just limiting production against them. The Niners are 31st in expected points to running backs. Schematically, it doesn't check out. Like, if you look at how the Falcons... run the ball under Kevin Stefanski and just 70% of their carries coming on zone runs. The Niners, that's legitimately what they stop best for just 2.6 yards per carry. But again, it sounds like Everyone's aware, Kevin Stabaski included, about how they mistreated B. John Robinson in last game. Not to mention that, like we saw with the Jets and many times this year against the Bears, the Falcons ran the second fewest plays of week six.
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Speaker 1: The Bears, as I talked about, 29 carries.
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Speaker 3: They just squeezed the ball for the entire game and dominated in time of possession. And so I do think we're going to get more opportunity for B. John Robinson, and I want to be ahead of that situation. So if ownership allows me to, I would like to be over the field if everyone.
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Speaker 2: Else is scared to play it. Yeah, 49ers, um their rushing metrics are good but then you look and see who they played and commanders seahawks broncos cardinals dolphins rams and australia like they there's no good running back units there like this is by far the best individual running back they faced all season so.
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Speaker 1: Who's the best one they faced? You ran down a bunch of teams.
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Speaker 2: Kyron and Corum in Australia when the Rams didn't want to be there. Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Did we even use it? Is there an asterisk by that? I mean, I don't know. That game was kind of funky. But, yeah, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Very, very clear and obvious who the plays are. It's just a matter of salary and line of construction. Love CMC and Dijon. Kittle, it looks like he's going to get a fair bit of passes thrown his way. Are we chasing Pitts or not so much? Are we chasing the touchdowns? Probably not, right? No, no.
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Speaker 2: He had three targets before the fourth quarter in that game. And then in the final quarter, ran a route on 70% of the dropbacks. Kind of got there that way. We're always hesitant, too, with the 49ers to really chase tight end production against them just because we respect Fred Warner.
00:21:00
Speaker 1: Anything else as far as San Fran and Atlanta, or shall we scoot along?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how I haven't built lineups just yet. Like, you know, the past couple of weeks, the injuries have mounted so much, especially for quarterbacks and offensive lines, which truly matter to wreck game scripts. that I haven't been able to piece together a real strong placeholder and get my exact builds down yet by the time we record on Wednesday. So I don't know if salary will allow me to get the Drake London, but I do think he's a fine play. Like Michael Penix, as we talked about last week, has been an entirely different quarterback when you can't get pressure on him. Fifth in the league with 9.3 yards per tip from a clean pocket and getting pressure is not what the Niners do. Like they instead just play elite cloud coverage. Uh, they've allowed though, the Falcons, the, um, wait, why am I talking about the Falcons now? Uh, Drake London has been targeted at the highest rate of any player since Michael Penix got under center in week three. I know we've had the John Dotson like pop-ups the last three games, but London still earning 30% of his team's targets. So if salary allows me to, uh, I don't mind him either, but right now I'd still lean Bijan over London.
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Speaker 2: There is a couple of fun dynamics in this game. Raheem Morris obviously was the head coach of the Falcons. He's now defensive coordinator for the 49ers. So, you know, obviously Pennix knows some of the rules that like they want to play by. Also, you know, Raheem Morris is familiar with him. They brought the 49ers last two weeks, the top three in pressure rate both weeks, each of the last two weeks. They have nine sacks the past two weeks, which is second in the league. If they start getting pressure, they've already been a good pass defense. So that's kind of a problem. The thing is the 49ers also play to like the strengths of where Penix is. Like Penix wants to throw the ball downfield. 42% of his throws are 10 or more yards downfield. It's fourth in the league. 49ers are fourth in the league. Like they're kind of taking away those, making you throw underneath. It's like not really the way he wants to play. It'd be cool if you dump some off to Beeson Robinson. Like it'd be really cool. It's a good spot for it. We'd gladly take some of those.
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Speaker 3: When we were questioning the pivot a couple weeks ago from Trey McBride to Brock Bowers in that Lions game, given McBride's ultimate ownership in tournaments. Yeah, I feel like I'm doing that with, like Jameer Gibbs is an awesome play, don't get me wrong. But whenever we talk about B. John Robinson and Christian McCaffrey, that's what we're asking. It's like, how much firepower do you have over Jameer Gibbs?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:23:25
Speaker 1: It's a, it's a bigger conversation because we'll talk about Gibbs later on in the show, but of course he looks awesome as he always does. I just see Aaron and Chad say, uh, Kirk has to be one of the best values in the board. And why was, I mean, man, I don't know, man. Like there's just no chance. I shouldn't say no chance. I like to speak in definitive, but I can't imagine he's a full go. Like you guys keep saying he hasn't played since, uh, well, it hasn't been available since July. Um, Our projection's not great on him officially. This stuff might change, but I think we have as a median score 7.4 DK points, which is, you know, not great. And I imagine there's probably some... He's not playing all the plays.
00:24:06
Speaker 2: We've seen Shanahan, like, turn, you know, water into wine with some of these guys, but usually it's when everyone's out. Like, remember last year, like, Kendrick Bourne had the big pop-off, but, like, Kittle was out, like... The fact that they're still Kittle and CMC makes me think like the boat's going to be built out of Kittle and CMC.
00:24:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. Game number two, Rams, Rams at Vegas.
00:24:29
Speaker 2: Vegas, man.
00:24:30
Speaker 1: I feel like Vegas has made the board. It's maybe the third or fourth time this season. They're fine. Yeah, we're certainly enjoying them. What's not fun is that Devontae Adams is out for the Rams. Terrence Ferguson was available to come back, but he's not going to come back either. So, man, I mean, again... You only have so much funds, but how many times can they throw the ball to Puka in this game? Rich, how much of a priority is Puka here in the Dome at Vegas?
00:24:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw Adams miss the final three weeks of last season. Since the start of last year, we've seen Puka now run 172 routes without Devontae Adams on the field. 33% target share, target on 41% of his routes, 4.3 yards per outrun. Uh, it's crazy. Cause he has like really gaudy usage on his own and like just giving him a little more. It's just like, this is kind of stupid. Um, the, the big area where he gets bumped is it's obvious, right? Like Devante Adams, when freeze up all the end zone targets, uh, with Devante Adams playing the last two years, Puka Nakua only has 11% of the Rams end zone targets, but 43% without Devante Adams. So now we're adding like touchdown equity to Puka and, which like he's kind of created his own touchdowns on his own when Adams plays, but then they dial up plays for him without him. So like the big dudes that get the bumps in terms of touchdown equity are Puka and then Colby Parkinson, who we'll probably touch on. So yeah, it's just a, it's a great spot for Puka. I'm really curious to see if this is a spot though, where the Rams like really dial back like the, the pass rate over expectation. Like they've been since the, since the opener, they've been way above pass rate expectation each of the last five weeks. Like This Raiders team, like this Raiders defense especially, has been giving up a ton of production to running backs. Maybe we get a little more balance here, just like steering of McVay's hand a little bit.
00:26:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, and kind of a desperate team, the Rams, right?
00:26:24
Speaker 2: Two and four. Do they really need to win?
00:26:26
Speaker 1: One of the most embarrassing, if not the most embarrassing loss last week of the season, losing at home to Arizona without giving up a touchdown, which is pretty wild. And you mentioned Kyron. Kyron did a big downgrade. You mentioned the run game. Maybe they go to that more. Only 10 carries last week. I think Corham had eight or nine, if I'm not mistaken. So a tighter split, and then Kyron just not.
00:26:47
Speaker 2: We talked about it last week. When the game is neutral... They rotate those dudes. They were trading off drives through three quarters. It was 56% of the snaps for Kyron Williams, seven touches. Corum played 44% of snaps, 11 touches. And then when the game gets any time, we need the foxhole guy. Kyron played 100% of snaps the fourth quarter because they need to catch up these last two drives. And that's where Corum always gets shelved. So if it's a neutral game script, you're going to see these guys rotate.
00:27:17
Speaker 3: Despite Kyron trying.
00:27:20
Speaker 1: To oil his own wheel.
00:27:23
Speaker 3: Usually the squeaky wheel comes for a good player who the coach recognizes, like Dalton Kincaid. Like, oh, this is my fault. I got to get this guy to ball more. Dalton Kincaid goes out before the Bills go on by, leads the team in targets. But Kyron Williams called his own wheel.
00:27:37
Speaker 2: And he's like, I need oil because I'm that good.
00:27:39
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works in the theory of it. Well, like eight years ago, Peyton Manning confirmed that the squeaky wheel thing is real. Remember Peyton came out and said like, he knows like who didn't get it last week and they'll kind of get a nudge. And he's aware of that. I don't know if Stafford's aware of it. I guess it doesn't matter so much for Stafford, but.
00:27:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what was the quote?
00:27:57
Speaker 1: Basically they asked him like what happened and like what, what went wrong? He's like, I don't know. I wasn't out there or something like that.
00:28:01
Speaker 2: Well, he did face that. I wasn't out there enough.
00:28:04
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:28:05
Speaker 2: Which should be fair. He's right. Cause I saw some people talk about like his overall snap share, but it was only cause he played the whole fourth quarter. Like they were, splitting and to be fair Kyron or Coram was awesome.
00:28:15
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what was so funny is that it wasn't Coram's fault like uh Tyler Higby had a crucial fumble Matthew Stafford fumbled the offense couldn't get going whereas the Cardinals just kept on getting in the red zone and punching in field goals like it wasn't Kyron or Coram's fault the offense as a whole failed as an infrastructure.
00:28:35
Speaker 2: Yeah they had the ball for 25 minutes it was their lowest time possession in the game this year Couldn't get off the field with the Cardinals, like this death by paper cuts machine that they had. You mentioned punch.
00:28:45
Speaker 1: You used the word punch. That just, now in my head, punching in the football is, I know it's always been a thing, but I feel like that's more a thing now than it's ever been. um is that something we should consider banning or and i heard some i'm not.
00:28:59
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that i'm not saying that but what if you miss because many times you see them punch like punch guys in the face or punch them in the kidney that should be a personal foul right if you if you're not accurate with your punch that.
00:29:11
Speaker 1: Should be a personal foul is that can we at least say that i don't know like uh like do you know.
00:29:18
Speaker 2: What the punch guys Yeah, that's true.
00:29:21
Speaker 1: I mean, he's punching for the ball.
00:29:22
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anyone get, like, punched, though, like, knocked out or anything. Ask any player what goes on at the bottom of fumble piles. Like, they wish they were punched. Well, there's no cameras down there.
00:29:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:29:35
Speaker 2: Nuts are definitely getting grabbed. I mean, these dudes are basically wearing pads and stuff, like, getting punched. probably is like the least like of the things that instead of taking a helmet to the knee i'd rather a dude punch me.
00:29:45
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was and somebody got punched like it was like uh Was it CM? Somebody got punched in the face and then the ball got punched out like after it. It's like the follow through. But he initially got punched in the face. I know he's wearing headgear, but still it's got to be startling. I just think it's an epidemic right now with the punching.
00:30:00
Speaker 2: An epidemic. NFL's got a lot more things that are epidemic right now. We've got a lot of problems here. Did you watch all those Roughing the Passers on Sunday night?
00:30:12
Speaker 1: Um all right so yeah daigle is uh is puka the number one priority on this slate uh you know we'll talk about get serious enough is he the first guy if you have like one big spend you're gonna build a lot of around one big spend is it puka or somebody else it's.
00:30:26
Speaker 3: An easy one um you know this gosh this slate is just filled with expensive players that's the problem because amon ross st brown we're going to talk about him being due for touchdown regression Jameer Gibbs, we've mentioned in the past, every main slate he's been on, Jameer Gibbs has been optimal because that's how good he's been. But Puka's certainly one of them, I would say, alongside Gibbs. And probably, yeah, to your point, number one, just because regardless of if the Rams want to have a high neutral pass rate, the fact is they can if they want to in this game. Since we've removed ourselves from the Raiders playing defense against Malik Willis and Justin Herbert, We've really seen what this pass defense has become, and it's not a good one whatsoever. Allowing the second most points per drop back. They're tied with the Cardinals. The Raiders are the last four games with 12 touchdown passes allowed. Just one that you can attack with ease, including Stafford. And when you think about it, like the double stacks, if you want to get that way, are cheaper now too, because we're taking out Devontae Adams and instead adding Colby Parkinson or Tyler Higby. So yeah, I think it's interesting. And I do think Puka is a priority on this slate. You got Parkinson more of a priority than Higby? Is he in better positions? We saw last year without Devontae Adams, ultimately at the end of the year, only Trey McBride had more red zone targets than Colby Parkinson. This is when and how they use him. Tyler Higby ran more routes ultimately this past game. But yes, Parkinson's the guy who delivers that ceiling at a similar cost.
00:32:00
Speaker 2: Shout out to you guys.
00:32:00
Speaker 1: I think Rich specifically talking about Gen T just being broken and like, it doesn't seem like it's getting any better. You compared the nausea Harris who was, was cut this week. I don't know.
00:32:11
Speaker 2: At least correct me on that. I was like, Hey, the guy's playing her. Like, let's, let's let it breathe. And then I compared her to Najee Harris. Now people are comparing the Trent Richardson. I didn't go that far.
00:32:25
Speaker 1: That's more insulting, right? Definitely more insulting. Trent Richardson, I assume.
00:32:31
Speaker 3: And Jinty, at least, he was practiced in full last week, which is also really odd. I know people played him in tournaments because he was popping as a very good optimal, not optimal, but a leverage play since everyone was getting into that Raiders-Bills game. But then goes out and Mike Washington now had his highest share of the team's running back carries. Yeah, it's been a mess. I don't know what to say whenever he practices in full and he still says he's healthy. I still think he's injured personally.
00:32:59
Speaker 2: It's three weeks in a row that he lost stuff in the second half. Like, he had his workload– I don't know if the Toradol wore off at that point. But you can re-up at halftime, I guess. But he's lost work in the second half three straight weeks. And the one thing he is doing– you can't play him in DFS. I guess if you draft him, you're stuck. He is catching a lot of passes. The one thing he's doing– and he's actually good with his receptions. That's where the nausea– thing I think fell apart. Cause Najee caught a bunch of passes, but they were largely worthless. Like JT is actually like a, an efficient receiver. Uh, like he's got over 30 receiving yards and all every game, but one yards are good. He's got a high target share. The problem is he's just not playing the full game. He's clearly hurt and he's useless as a rusher.
00:33:45
Speaker 3: And Mike Washington has pop. Mike Washington can be Trey beyond Henderson.
00:33:50
Speaker 1: I feel like Jen, he's just like, he hasn't broken. Is he broken one yard? Like what one play this season for like 25 plus yards. Does that happen? I feel like I haven't seen it, if it has.
00:34:01
Speaker 2: Not as a runner.
00:34:02
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what his longest run is, actually. Let me find that out. I'm pulling up his game log.
00:34:07
Speaker 2: It was 19 yards. Okay, there you.
00:34:11
Speaker 1: Go. And then 12 and 15 as far as individual games.
00:34:13
Speaker 2: He has a 5% rush rate of 10 or more yards. That's 29th out of 33 running backs that have 50 or more carries. The guys below him are Quinshawn Judkins, both Cardinals running backs, and David Montgomery. That's actually the company you want to keep.
00:34:28
Speaker 1: Who's just ahead of him? I'm curious.
00:34:31
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson is one spot ahead of him. Ja'Cory Kroski-Merritt. Cam Scadaboo. J.K. Dobbins. It's exactly what you think it is, yeah.
00:34:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have guessed that.
00:34:42
Speaker 3: When you watch the guys on Sunday, you could guess who the least efficient running backs are in the league.
00:34:47
Speaker 2: But J.T. 's one superpower that he had, even going back to his rookie year, is that he could absorb a huge workload easily. And that's been compromised now. Like it's the opening three games, 78%, 86%, 82% of the backfield touches. And then the last three games, 62%, 59%, 54%. Like with his efficiency, it's just not going to cut it.
00:35:11
Speaker 1: They go, we going back to the Raiders offense here, cousins, Bowers, Tucker.
00:35:17
Speaker 3: We, we talked about this last week, how we were just worried in that the Rams squeeze points and, in particular from passing quarterbacks. Even Josh Allen got there because he rushed for over 100 yards and a rushing score. Kirk Cousins obviously will not do that. Not to mention that I do have a little bit of faith that Clint Kubiak is very familiar with this matchup from just playing it with Sam Darnold in a Super Bowl offense last year.
00:35:45
Speaker 1: But even then, it was very.
00:35:47
Speaker 2: Hit or miss.
00:35:47
Speaker 3: Like Darnold in those games, four fancy points and then 19 and a half And that prime time shootout that everyone remembers watching that, uh, that the Seahawks went for two and got the win because it went back and forth.
00:35:58
Speaker 1: So I don't think Kirk cousins, he's cheap.
00:36:00
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to necessarily be on my board though. Uh, but if you get to like Brock Bowers, for example, I think it's totally fine. The Rams are awesome this year against tight ends first and yards per target second and points per game allowed to that position. But as we know, and we've discussed Brock Bowers does not play that position. He still leads, uh, Still leads, you know, all tight ends have 38% of his routes from out wide. Michael Mayer would be the guy most likely then that they shut out over the middle of the field with Quentin Lake and those individuals. So I still think Bowers is fine. I think it's too tough of a matchup for Kirk Cousins, though.
00:36:35
Speaker 2: The Rams have a ton of injuries, man. A ton of dudes could be out here. Trent McDuffie still not practicing. Nate Lamb is in concussion protocol. Puna Ford and Kobe Turner lost injuries last week. So they're, they're miles is already out still. So like they're, they're hurting right now in terms of bodies.
00:36:53
Speaker 1: That makes it easier. That's worth watching.
00:36:54
Speaker 2: I mean, it's, it's the, we're Kirk cousins. We talked about last week though. Like you can't get there with just cousins and Bowers. You have to have that, that third guy. And we, it was Trey Tucker last week. I don't know if anyone ended up playing like mayor without Bowers. Like that'd be interesting. If someone did, I know it wasn't like an optimals, but maybe someone out there wants some money that way. I was, it's a bummer as I was really looking forward to this matchup because I One of the things I've been calling out since he came back, especially in the worksheet, is that Spaggs did this the second game that Bowers played and basically tried to never have a linebacker safety on Bowers. And sometimes the Raiders make it easier for teams to do this. And I was real bummed. I was like, oh, man, when they play the Patriots, it's going to be cool. He's going to line up with Christian Gonzalez. And then Gonzalez didn't play. Well, the Bills just had any time Bowers played out wide last week, they just had Christian Benford follow him. And Benford only allowed two catches to Brock Bowers. He had an awesome 30-yard catch actually in line where Terrell Bernard was just in the middle of the field doing the Travolta meme, trying to find Bowers. So that's a bummer if McDuffie's out and Landman are out. It changes the dynamics of this matchup a lot for what the Rams would be able to do to combat Bowers, just kind of like the Patriots game. But I keep wanting to see him when he faces these elite corners to see how teams choose to play him because it's a fun dynamic. It's super early.
00:38:20
Speaker 1: It's Wednesday night, but the optimal stuff that I'm running on DK is pretty interesting. It's kind of a jam them in. It's two tight ends. It's Kittle and Higby. Those are the two tight ends. And then you get Puka, CMC.
00:38:32
Speaker 2: What is Higby versus Parkinson? We can talk about it. What's the pricing? Higby's cheaper, right?
00:38:37
Speaker 1: And Parkinson's three. So I guess we must have Higby slightly ahead as far as, yeah, Higby's a little bit more. Do you have a preference amongst those two?
00:38:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am big time Colby Parkinson. Even if the price is the same, not even the discount. Yeah, he's the touch. We saw him last week, too. Touching the red zone. They use him in the red zone.
00:38:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to tell you the rest of the players in this lineup, but CMC, Gibbs, Buka.
00:39:03
Speaker 2: Did you say the quarterback?
00:39:04
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray.
00:39:06
Speaker 2: No. Hard pass.
00:39:08
Speaker 1: Okay, so the second quarterback is Bo Nix. You want Bo Nix?
00:39:15
Speaker 2: Bo Nix is going to be popular this week. We accept it.
00:39:17
Speaker 3: That's so annoying because he shouldn't be, but I get it.
00:39:22
Speaker 2: People will just play the price and the matchup and see what happens at quarterback. I mean, dude, me and TJ played Tanner McKee last week. We didn't care.
00:39:32
Speaker 1: And you, and you guys did all right. I think, uh, I think your labs are not okay.
00:39:36
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, I ended up just being, uh, like just washing though, but TJ had a better, TJ had a better one versus me. He had one better player. I think I had both Falcons. He only had one.
00:39:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:39:47
Speaker 2: I wish, uh, I wish Tanner McKee was on this. I don't know if he played that elsewhere. But yeah, I had both Falcons in the Tanner McKee lineup and they both underperformed.
00:39:57
Speaker 1: So officially, you know, the stuff that I ran, the most popular quarterback is Love. Second most popular is Stroud, then Purdy. But like those guys just happen to pop in and like the optimal stuff. But I don't know.
00:40:08
Speaker 2: We're going to try to, I think when we get to the end of the week, people are going to try to get to Gibbs plus Puka and maybe CMC.
00:40:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a jam them in. I think it might be a jam, depending on how the chips fall. But, you know, an old school, like, get the three studs and then just kind of figure stuff out. You know, make it work and, you know, with some tape and, you know, hopefully you don't get zeros. But, yep.
00:40:32
Speaker 2: Anything else as far as Raiders? I have no interest in Kyler Murray in a 38-point team total game, though. Is this the worst offense ever?
00:40:40
Speaker 1: Oh, I shouldn't say that. But, like, as far– a 5-0 team. They certainly feel 5-0 on defense. They don't feel 5-0 on offense. Is that a fair way of putting it, Rich? I don't know.
00:40:54
Speaker 2: They're a disaster on offense.
00:40:56
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. They're 29th in EPA.
00:41:00
Speaker 3: It definitely feels like they're heading down the Daniel Jones, Brian Dable path of going to the playoffs, but everyone knows they're a farce in the postseason.
00:41:12
Speaker 2: I mean, the defense is still just like amazing. So maybe if they figure out, cause I will say this, the one thing I'll say about Kyler Murray is that he just really hasn't played at the whole offense yet. Like last game before the buy was his first game at Justin Jefferson, but Hawkinson ran run route and got a concussion and Jordan Addison didn't play. So they haven't really, they haven't really played with everyone yet. And like, he's just trying to figure out like the marriage of the Kevin O'Connell offense. They're going to get Jordan Mason back out of the buy. So like, I'll at least reserve judgment until they like start to play with like all these guys and get in sync. If they're still bad, like six weeks from now, then we can pile on. But like, I just at least want to leave the door open to see what happens.
00:41:49
Speaker 3: They're also on the other side of the Colts this week. They're going to look fine.
00:41:53
Speaker 2: Relative. Yes, that is, that is Daniel Jones versus Brian Flores is going to be first. That's not zero, non-zero chance. Someone does non-zero.
00:42:04
Speaker 6: Oh, man.
00:42:05
Speaker 2: Because they did look a little better against the Saints, who you expect them to, but the offense was more functional, and that's at least a sign. They just are able to get there a little bit.
00:42:15
Speaker 1: We got anything else there, boys, as far as Rams, Vegas, or shall we scoot along to our final game?
00:42:20
Speaker 2: What else did we have in that game? Anything?
00:42:21
Speaker 1: I don't know.
00:42:23
Speaker 3: We talked about Kyron and Corum. Kyron's definitely interesting, but again, all these salaries are adding up.
00:42:30
Speaker 1: Game number three, another game where you're going to want to spend some salary. Green Bay, Green Bay, Detroit, 53 and a half total in the dome.
00:42:37
Speaker 3: It's high.
00:42:38
Speaker 1: It's tight. Detroit is a three-point favorite versus the Packers coming back from their bye. Yeah, Daigle, Gibbs, Gibbs looks awesome. It's just a salary thing. It's a lot of construction thing. And the Packers offense, the passing offense certainly is appealing. This also is in the late window, right? And Josh Jacobs, I guess, has he officially been announced as being, like, playing and all that? I assume he's playing this week?
00:43:05
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:43:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, he called it. Yeah, so talking about the Lions and the Packers, they go start wherever you want to start.
00:43:11
Speaker 3: I guess we'll start on the Lions side of the ball because it's a good litmus test for this Packers defense who have held together so far. But then you zoom out, peek under the hood at what they've faced, and so far they've played well. Carson Wentz, Geno Smith, Michael Penix, Jalen Daniels, Tyson Bajent, and then Dak Prescott tested them on Sunday night. I wrote about this in the matchups column that I was high on the Cowboys offense, but they're at least if I wanted to play devil's advocate for showdown single game slates. The last time Dak played Jonathan Gannon, he did hold him to 6.4 yards per attempt. But the last time Jared Goff in this Lions offense faced Jonathan Gannon, Goff averaged 8.7 yards per attempt. Not only that, but we're coming back from a bye, healthy, indoors. So I do think it's a spot where the Lions offense, as everyone's expecting, could pop off, but in particular, through the air with Jared Goff.
00:44:08
Speaker 1: Rebar confirmed, denied, Detroit offense?
00:44:11
Speaker 2: I mean, Detroit at home off of a bye, like we have to represent, like the upside is always here with these guys. I mean, at home, Goff's averaging 20 fantasy points per game. Off a bye, the last three is 22 points per game. I did the same thing Daigle did going into Sunday. I was legitimately excited. I was like, oh, Packers, man, they've just faced nothing but backup quarterbacks. Like, this is going to be fun. Like, Cowboys are going to push them. And Dak had 4.8 yards for pass attempt and completely lost. Daigle brought up the yards for pass attempt against Goff, but he didn't tell you what the fantasy points. Jared Goff against Jonathan Gannon, three career starts, 8.9, 15.5, 14.6 fantasy points in those games. Uh, yards for attempt were cool in the last game, uh, but only threw for 199 yards in that game. Um, so like John, John again, do a good job. It's like how much it feels like he's getting the, he's maxing it out though. I think from a personnel stance, like you're not scared. They've had a couple of big injuries too, but, um, they're doing a good job of disguising. They're number one in, in disguise rate of coverage from pre-snap to post-snap, uh, kind of really was messing with Dak, I think, uh, in that game as well. But, it's still the lions at home. Like we know that there's like a ton of, of shootout potential here.
00:45:23
Speaker 1: What does that mean? You said number one, as far as the skies, like you're.
00:45:26
Speaker 2: Saying, so what they're showing like pre snap, uh, as far as a look and then like what they're playing after the snap, like rotating in as far as like single high or two high safeties. Um, they're showing you one look and then after the snap going to another.
00:45:39
Speaker 1: Okay, I've never really heard it, but that's what I thought you meant, but I just wanted clarity, but thank you for clarifying.
00:45:43
Speaker 2: That's a Mike McDonald. Usually a lot of the quarterbacks that rely on play action struggle with those defenses because they turn their back to the defense and then the window changes when they come. The window that they had pre-snap, it's different. Do you know what I mean? Because they're turning their back to the defense. They're not seeing it change in front of them as a drop back through the read. So usually you see like those teams be really good. It's a play action. The Packers are really good against play action right now. So it makes sense.
00:46:12
Speaker 1: Do we expect anything different coming out of the buy for Detroit? There's just like same old, same old here, Daigle.
00:46:19
Speaker 3: I'm expecting same old, same old. And right now it's been, you know, pretty heavily a Monroe St. Brown and Sam Laporta. I know everyone keeps chasing the, Jameson Williams.
00:46:29
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:46:29
Speaker 3: Just for the, the big shot play. And certainly that could happen, but right now the target shares are just hammered and locked into Laporta and St.
00:46:37
Speaker 2: Brown.
00:46:39
Speaker 3: Even like an expected points per game, the last month, St. Brown, he's been top five among every receiver in each game. So it just feels like a player. I absolutely want to get to in this game. Are we assuming Jacobs is essentially a full go? I know he's been working out and we assuming he's just going to step right in. Obviously he's, you know, the guys in front of them, uh, are terrible. So they certainly could use that.
00:47:01
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, the, the, I mean, I get it.
00:47:04
Speaker 3: And, and Matt LaFleur got ripped as, as he should have in his posts and his press conference today, because he called it, he, I believe the quote was, we all run into little problems and we're given a second chance. Like not exactly a little problem there, brother. Um, but, but the commissioner exempt list for this purpose is a joke. Like Josh Jacobs has been allowed to work out at the facilities and, He's allowed to attend meetings, so he knows the playbook. And it's not an injury he's returning from.
00:47:31
Speaker 2: So to speak.
00:47:32
Speaker 3: So, yeah, he's going to be full speed ahead. Remember last year he got injured one game. Emmanuel Wilson stepped in for 30 touches. They brought Jacobs back early. He was still on the injury report. And for the next month, he still averaged 17 touches per game. This team does not care. And that's honestly the only hole I can poke. you know, in this spot because otherwise against Chicago, against Dallas, Jordan Love has been awesome. It's a similar easy spot where we know everyone wants to play the quarterbacks against the Lions and the Cardinals. Those are the two matchups you look at. But does Josh Jacobs then like wreck the pass rate over expectation that the Packers have set for themselves to this point? I think it's a fair question.
00:48:12
Speaker 1: Well, what would be your answer? Or you just don't know? We got to see.
00:48:16
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:48:18
Speaker 3: They did come in all offseason long. They did talk about being more of a passing offense, and this is what they do. They go over the top to Christian Watson and Matthew Golden. That's where the targets go. But we also know that in this matchup, tight ends do well against Detroit too, allowing literally 10 more points per game than the next closest defense to tight ends every single week. So Tucker Kraft pops off here as well. But Josh Jacobs does remind me of, you know, like I took the opposite direction of DeAndre Swift last week with the Bears.
00:48:46
Speaker 2: I just went all in.
00:48:47
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm taking everyone. And it looked good in the first quarter. But then it became a situation where the Bears run the ball heavily. Like perhaps the Packers can do that. And Josh Jacobs is the leverage you want instead.
00:49:00
Speaker 1: By the way, unless things change, he is not in the Fandle pool for whatever reason. Fandle does not have Jacobs. Um, yeah, I don't, every once in a while I get the email from, from DK and say, we added a Andre estimate. Like they, they'll just grow random names, like just in case you're curious, Jacob's not in the FanDuel poll. He's 6'3, I believe, on DK. Rich, run down the receivers here for Green Bay. Watson, Golden, Kraft, the tight end.
00:49:27
Speaker 2: I am seeing.
00:49:29
Speaker 1: Is it Savion? Savion Williams?
00:49:32
Speaker 2: I knew he was going to pop.
00:49:33
Speaker 1: He's hitting some lineups because the great environment and he's obviously super, super cheap. Is that too desperate he had some you know he made some plays last week but how thin is that run down the receivers here rich for green bay i.
00:49:47
Speaker 2: I do think the packers are still going to be aggressive here for a couple reasons one it's it's in detroit right like you don't go into detroit and like expect the pussyfoot around like you got to score points in detroit and i think yeah that matt lafleur understands that assignment last year when the packers played in detroit they threw the ball five percent over expectations Uh, so like they were aggressive, love through four touchdowns in that game. Um, and they were really aggressive. Like you, you just don't go into Detroit and think you're going to like, if you're at home, maybe you play a little, uh, ball control and stuff. I think in Detroit, like you gotta, you gotta, you, you, you know, you need points. Uh, so I do hopefully he'd be, he's aggressive. We hope the lions start fast for once. Like this team has scored on a touchdown on one first quarter drive this year. Uh, it takes them a while to get going, uh, every week. It'd be cool if they opened up a drive and like, we got into the jailbreak game script right away. with them but I do think that the Packers are going to remain aggressive and it's it's Jacobs first game back even though he's been working out and stuff but the offensive line still is like hasn't shown that they can run the ball I don't think it's just the Josh Jacobs coming in and the Packers are gonna they're gonna try to run more because Jacobs is better than the guys they had but I don't think just having Josh Jacobs in the backfield is going to turn them into like a good running team because you know what they weren't last year a good running team with Josh Jacobs uh so but he's gonna get the ball more than these other guys, but I don't think that necessarily is like an elixir. That's going to turn them into like a really like hybrid balanced offense. That's efficient running and passing the ball. So I'm still counting on them being aggressive here and throwing the ball.
00:51:18
Speaker 1: Prioritizing the green Bay receivers, Daigle, how would you rank it as, as just what it is as far as salary or, you know, when you consider all things golden six K and DK Watson seven, I did mention William, just three, two is, Obviously, the expectations are different, but would he be somebody you'd work in on your love stacks?
00:51:37
Speaker 3: Golden, Watson, Kraft, Savion is how I would rank them. Golden only one end zone target behind Christian Watson on the year, so hasn't caught up, has that touchdown regression. A lot of meat on the bone still for Golden, honestly. The Lions are also allowing the second most points from the slot. Uh, golden and Watson both run their routes from out wide, get deep targets. Unfortunately for everyone, $ 3, 200 savvy on Williams. That's where he runs his routes. Uh, and it gets targets one and a half yards from the line of scrimmage. So, you know, I, I guess if everyone gets there, cause they play Jordan love and you want to like, just triple it up. You can, cause you're just trying to insulate the offense. I think it's totally fine for tournaments, but yeah, I prefer if you're one offing this golden instead.
00:52:29
Speaker 1: I'm just stepping back and looking at the slate as a whole. Like the quarterbacks this week suck. Like quarterbacks are terrible. No Josh Allen, right? We have no May, no Lawrence, no Mahomes if you want Mahomes.
00:52:43
Speaker 2: Lamar is killing me because dude, yeah. Writing up that game, I was like, there was so much stuff popping off in that game, but it's so contingent on Lamar playing. Yeah. And it seems like, and again, we don't know, but.
00:52:56
Speaker 1: When Vegas has the Baltimore posted as a dog at home, that to me suggests, right, that it's unlikely.
00:53:03
Speaker 2: I think he's limited.
00:53:04
Speaker 1: He was limited in practice today, Rich, officially, like he was there, but not practicing to the full extent. And it seems like they're boxed up for like a month, right?
00:53:14
Speaker 2: We've done this with Lamar so many times. It feels like this dude, he's just not playing.
00:53:18
Speaker 1: And even if he comes back, it's like he's probably not going to be full Lamar.
00:53:23
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:53:25
Speaker 2: We saw that last.
00:53:25
Speaker 1: Year when he came back.
00:53:27
Speaker 2: We didn't need him to be super Lamar, but we needed him to facilitate Zay Flowers from being amazing.
00:53:34
Speaker 1: Zay has been awesome.
00:53:38
Speaker 2: This matchup in particular was going to be one with Lamar that was just jumping off the page for him to go bananas.
00:53:48
Speaker 1: If we're stacking this game, Dagle, we start with Love or Goff. Make it just one lineup. Obviously, you'd want to get different pieces, I suppose. If you're running a bunch of lineups, you get both in your pool potentially. But you can only make one stack in this game. Is it Love or Goff?
00:54:05
Speaker 3: I think it's Love because it's the cheaper route. But you usually wouldn't say that given his stacking options. But compared to the Lions, and like we talked about, it's Amon Raw and Laporta over Jameson. Not that Jameson can't get there on fewer targets, but it's really hard. I would start with the Packers. Like when Jamo, there's no way of predicting when it's going to hit for Jamo. It's going to happen at some point in theory.
00:54:29
Speaker 2: It has the last two, the last two games he played.
00:54:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm talking about the full on. Oh, like the, yeah. Sleep breaking stuff, but yeah, that's fair.
00:54:39
Speaker 3: I'm still open to playing Jacobs too.
00:54:41
Speaker 2: I'm still open to, to seeing if I can.
00:54:43
Speaker 3: Fall forward for 80 yards and two touchdowns just to get off of like the Packers offense and get some leverage here.
00:54:51
Speaker 1: All right. Anything else here as far as Lions, Packers?
00:54:56
Speaker 2: We do have Brian Branches coming back for the Lions. I don't know if it's going to make a huge difference or not, but he is playing. And Cade Mays is coming back for the Lions as well.
00:55:05
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:55:06
Speaker 2: If you needed more reasons to like Jameer Gibbs.
00:55:10
Speaker 1: One person we haven't had any questions about.
00:55:13
Speaker 2: You just gave us more reasons to play him.
00:55:15
Speaker 6: Okay.
00:55:18
Speaker 2: Okay, I think Jameer Gibbs should be $ 12, 000. I'm going to keep saying it.
00:55:21
Speaker 1: He should be $ 12, 000.
00:55:21
Speaker 2: The good thing is.
00:55:23
Speaker 3: Since optimizers force you to lock in two players before running it, Jameer Gibbs, just lock him in. Everyone's going to lock him in. On small fields, he's going to be close at 95%.
00:55:32
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter. We were talking about this pre-show, and I did my little mini rant on it.
00:55:37
Speaker 2: And, yeah, I agree.
00:55:37
Speaker 1: I think we all agree Gibbs is probably too cheap. But use the same energy to lower players that don't deserve to have their price tag is all I'm asking. That's all we're asking, and it doesn't seem to work that way.
00:55:48
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Packers don't play on Sunday night, Matthew Golden's probably, what, 65? Yeah, yeah.
00:55:58
Speaker 1: That's, that's, that's a fair point. You are getting some, like that's, and then also it's just kind of like pushing people on players basically just by the way they were setting the salary.
00:56:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. Matthew Golden is just going to pop in so much. I mean, he's got a hundred yard game in three of the past four. He's getting just a ton of targets, man. Like he's, he's actually like really bypassed Watson in the, like pretty consistently in terms of overall targets. Although they both get a good amount. Like you're not, that's not a bit down on Christian Watts thing. It's just like, Dude, the Golden is getting a ton of work right now.
00:56:30
Speaker 1: Anything else there, boys, or shall we scoot along?
00:56:34
Speaker 2: All the dudes, unfortunately. All the dudes.
00:56:38
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:56:38
Speaker 2: Now, remember, though, when we.
00:56:40
Speaker 3: Were in that Cardinals-Lions box together, it was written in some content... It was discussed throughout the week on different shows. And it was talked about on this show, like you don't have to play the quarterback. You can still get these pieces. And Drake May, remember, naked Drake May was optimal that week. Well, you didn't have to play him naked. You could have played Efton Chisholm or Demario Douglas as well for a spin down. But you don't have to play love and golf. If you can find a cheap quarterback in this slate, you can just run them and then play the pieces around it too.
00:57:13
Speaker 1: No surprise here with this game, also projected for the most plays, according to Derek Carty's The Blitz. Yeah, this game is going to be super popular. It's also got some swappability in the late window. Rams, Raiders, Packers, Lions, and then Bo Nix also plays in the late window. Bo Nix. And the Arizona Cardinals.
00:57:36
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00:58:39
Speaker 2: Who's on your list?
00:58:41
Speaker 1: Who do you like at quarterback? We got a lower, maybe, am I wrong to say it stinks this week, quarterback?
00:58:46
Speaker 3: It does, but I've also been, I'm upset at the chat because they spoiled it earlier and that CJ Stroud and Bo Nix are going to be heavily owned just because that's how you get the other players. And I unfortunately like CJ Stroud and Bo Nix. You know, the Giants, not a lot of teams throw on them because you can run on them so easily. But also, if we're potentially looking at Woody Marks being chalk, I don't even think he's bad chalk. But if we're looking at Woody Marks being chalk, the leverage would then be through the Giants passing game. And think if we get there through that, especially since the Giants have since moved to ten and a half point favorites, we can just soak up the passing touchdowns. Again, teams aren't throwing on them, but still the Giants are seventh and fantasy points per drop back allowed whenever teams do. Texans could have something to prove here.
00:59:33
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Jr. in the mix.
00:59:35
Speaker 3: So we could still keep getting Stroud fantasy points and attempts here. And then, yeah, Bo Nix is another good one. Really feels like the last stand for the Broncos offense at Bo Nix. To this point, the Broncos have faced the Chiefs, Jaguars, Rams. Niners, Chargers, and Seahawks. I don't personally think the Jaguars and Chargers are defenses that threaten good quarterbacks, but they haven't been bottom of the barrel. The Cardinals are bottom of the barrel and literally allowing the most points per dropback weekly.
01:00:04
Speaker 2: Even Justin Herbert in week one.
01:00:06
Speaker 3: Scored 13 fancy points against the Cardinals and 13 to Justin Herbert's basically 28.
01:00:11
Speaker 1: So Bo Nix, can he get there?
01:00:13
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
01:00:14
Speaker 3: At like a, I wish, I guess it was lower ownership since we're finding out it could be higher ownership.
01:00:19
Speaker 1: That's still crazy, but I like.
01:00:20
Speaker 2: Bo Nix too. Single digits, right?
01:00:23
Speaker 3: I'll take single digit naked Bo Nix. The quarterbacks never go crazy. Dean froze up on us. So Reeves, that's okay. I'm taking over Reeves for right now. I don't know if you have any other quarterbacks to share.
01:00:39
Speaker 2: No, because you touched on Stroud. The only other guy that maybe it's just Copen holding out for just because I want the game to be good is Joe Burrow. You're just forcing it now? I just wanted to be good. Well, the Burrow side, not necessarily the Ravens side. Just because Baltimore has faced Daniel Jones, Tyler Shuck, Deshaun Watson, and Michael Penix. They did face Dak, but Dak had 19 fantasy points against them. So Burroughs faced Jesse Minter one time in his career and had 29 fantasy points in that game. I don't know if they can run. I just don't know if the Bengals can run. So they might have to lean and throw, even if it is Tyler Huntley, not necessarily pushing. I wish it was Lamar though, because it would have been a lot more fun. Especially because Jamar Chase has just gone nuts in this rivalry. Like absolutely nuts. In 11 games against the Ravens, he averages 117 receiving yards per game. Uh, just, he's gone over a hundred yards in four straight games against the Ravens. Just like, Oh, absolutely goes bonkers in these games.
01:01:36
Speaker 3: I love, I love that you're sharing the stats that might not matter.
01:01:40
Speaker 2: I wrote them.
01:01:41
Speaker 3: I got so angry about.
01:01:43
Speaker 2: Losing this game and the slate. I'm more mad about the Zay flowers. I think the bangles, everyone knows like these dudes could be good and they're expensive, but the Zay flowers stuff is like, I'm like on tilt about.
01:01:53
Speaker 6: I figured I'd pop in since Dean went to watch the heat right after bragging about how he wasn't going to watch the heat. And so I figured I'd replace him. I have three guys potentially on my list that we haven't really talked about that I'm interested in your guys' thoughts on. And one of them is both of these quarterbacks in the Carolina-Tampa Bay game with Baker Mayfield potentially back this week. And he's super cheap. He's $ 5, 500. And then Bryce Young at $ 5, 900 I think is pretty interesting too.
01:02:20
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Reeves.
01:02:22
Speaker 2: I mean, you can keep playing Bryce Young. I mean, he just keeps getting there. They're also getting Taylor Moton and Damian Lewis back. They got those guys last week, so the offensive line is getting a little healthier. They're just really swerving into the pass. So you can play him. The Bucs have been pretty good, but he's faced a number of solid defenses too. Baker is a little sketchier. He's been really bad against Ajay Rivero. He's only thrown multiple passing touchdowns and won. game and six career starts against the gyro Vero. And he's coming off of obviously, you know, being out with that thumb injury. Also Emeka Buka popped up on concussion protocol today, um, which is something else to track. Um, just keep it on. But like Carolina's had a pretty favorable run though. Like they faced Tanner McKee Watson, the Cooper rushed Jack strand combo. Um, but they also did hold Jared golf to one touchdown and 52 pass attempts. So maybe there, but I can get on board with Bryce Young. Cause it's just like, I'm, I've not, I'm not fighting against what the Carolina is doing. And I really like Coker too. So you got a natural guy here. Dagger.
01:03:24
Speaker 6: Anything to add on either of those two?
01:03:26
Speaker 1: Thinking about summed it up.
01:03:28
Speaker 3: Bryce Young has been significantly better against the blitz this year, as opposed to past years. I don't know because I was going to mention Bucky Irving, but then you look at the Panthers run defense over the past few games. And it's like, ah, it's kind of tougher to get there. as well, especially because Bucky Irving popped up, didn't practice today. Sean Tucker practiced in full today. So we could be taking away some of the goal line carries as well and capping his ceiling. I don't know if I have as much faith as, yeah, I don't think I have faith in the Bucks punching back is the issue.
01:03:59
Speaker 6: My one really gross one that I have some interest in because he's got cheap stacking partners and that has looked like still bad, but usable in DFS is Deshaun Watson. against Tennessee where that's kind of a team that I'm always interested in a passing game against Tennessee and kind of leading me to some Washington's Watson, especially if Nick's is going to be chalk. What do you think?
01:04:23
Speaker 3: You can run Watson naked too, which it could be like the theme of this slate just to get up to the other options. Cause we know he's going to add carries. It's a really soft matchup. We really haven't had an opportunity to, to play quarterbacks against the Titans recently on the main slate, but, Yeah, I like the idea of Watson.
01:04:45
Speaker 6: Reeves, what do you think? Too crazy or in the pool?
01:04:48
Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, Shador had 30 points against the Titans last year in these teams played, so he was the optimal. So who am I to push back on Deshaun Watson against the Titans?
01:05:00
Speaker 6: We can pivot over to the running back position where we've already talked about Gibbs, we've already talked about Bijon, we've already talked about McCaffrey. Dago, who is there left that you're still targeting?
01:05:12
Speaker 3: We already talked about Woody Marks as well. Again, probably going to be a very popular, maybe cash game. I don't know how it's going to play out and where the spend deaths are going to go exactly, but wouldn't shock me. I feel like he's the flex there just because Jowar Jordan now put on injured reserve today out of nowhere. Thus it's only Daria Gumbawale behind Woody Marks against the defense.
01:05:35
Speaker 2: One of only three defenses.
01:05:36
Speaker 3: The giants are that are allowing over two yards before and contact for carry and Also, simply put, they are 10-point home favorites, so very easy to just get to Woody Marks. I also think I'm going to wait out the injury report here, but the one thing you can do against the Broncos is run the ball. And so the last time we saw Jeremiah Love, I don't think we're going to get here. But the last time we saw him, he did out-touch Tyler Algier 10-1 until the Cardinals were getting blown out. And then he just got benched the rest of the way. But if Jeremiah Love plays, there's nothing in my mind to suggest that, especially if we think we're going indoors in Arizona in what could potentially be a shootout with everyone playing Bo Nix. I might get up to Jeremiah Love for tournaments as well. But we have to wait and see if we get there.
01:06:31
Speaker 1: He's out.
01:06:31
Speaker 6: Can you play $ 4, 100 15 carry Bam Knight?
01:06:37
Speaker 3: Gosh, I want to. I don't know if I can. I don't know if I can personally, but he finished 12th in his rate of 10-yard carries last week. They kept on going to him, not only like Ritz said earlier, to keep the ball out of the hands of the Rams, but he was the significantly better option to Tyler Algier. I still fear that Tyler Algier would be used at the goal line despite being extremely inefficient last week. we may just have to leave Bam Knight up to the FFPC prayers that I sent up for $ 13 later tonight.
01:07:08
Speaker 6: I don't remember the slate, what it was specifically, but as a good omen for your guys' Parkinson over Higby call, I just went to text Dean to see if everything was okay, what was going on. And my last text to Dean, his last text to me was Parkinson captain for all the money. And so I don't even remember what it was in reference to, but that.
01:07:33
Speaker 3: Was, it had to be that Ram slate where everyone was debating playing Terrence Ferguson or Colby Parkinson. Cause I got stuck in the Colby Parkinson thinking I was getting lower ownership, but this year showdown, cause everyone's using the same tools this year showdown. It's like fourth wall. Like you have to think to the next universe over and be like, everyone, everyone knows to do that. Thus no one's going to do it.
01:07:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is absolutely the case. You couldn't be more right. Anybody else you want to touch on in running back?
01:08:04
Speaker 3: We can ping-pong here. My list is pretty short. We can go to Rich now.
01:08:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're playing Gibbs. We want to get to McCaffrey. I assume Mark's really popular. You can always keep playing Braylon Allen, too. Looks like we're not going to get Brees Hall again, at least right now. He didn't open the week practicing, so it feels like we're going to get another Braylon Allen week. just massive workload against, you know, the, the Dolph. We don't get, we're not going to have too many more Braylon Allen home favorite games. So might as well roll that out. Miami hasn't been terrible against the run. It's just like, they face so many backfield touches per game because they're always behind. And they've allowed eight touchdowns to running backs and Braylon Allen's look legitimately good. Like, so keep playing and he'll be a nice pivot because, you know, people will probably play Omar Cooper, chase that a little bit this week too. So, As long as we have no Brees Hall.
01:08:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, if there is no Brees Hall, I think Braylon Allen. is probably my top running back on the slate against Miami at only 5,900. Just we're in such need of value on this slate that a $ 5, 900 running back would go a long way. So I think he'd be my number one if we lose Brees Hall. We, once again, for the second straight week, maybe not as heavy of ownership, but are projecting Kyron Williams for some pretty significant ownership early in the week. Dago, what do you think of Kyron Williams? And is that somebody, can we go Blake Corum for the second straight week as a pivot?
01:09:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, we already talked about Kyron Williams.
01:09:34
Speaker 2: Oh, duh. Yeah, when we broke in that game.
01:09:36
Speaker 3: And Rich and I both liked him, especially because like last week even, despite complaining about the touches, he finished with the third highest target share among every running back.
01:09:43
Speaker 1: So yeah, I.
01:09:44
Speaker 3: I like Kyron. I just don't know how I find the salary for like, he's a no man's land where it's like, I'm trying to get a little bit cheaper or I'm trying to find a thousand bucks to get up to the, the elites here, like McCaffrey, Bijon and, uh, Jameer Gibbs. That's really the issue. I'll mention one more though. Cause you mentioned we're looking for like a, a mid five K's guy. The jets haven't been asked to defend the most talented slate of running backs. And I'm not saying Ollie Gordon is the most talented either, but the Dolphins are coming back from by. They could have implemented some new things on offense. This is the healthiest their passing game will be at least, perhaps.
01:10:22
Speaker 2: Opening more things up.
01:10:24
Speaker 3: And like the couple of times the Jets have had to defend good running games, Kyle Menungai, DeAndre Swift combined for over four and a half yards per carry. Corey Kiner last week, we saw him come into the fourth quarter, averaged over five yards per carry. As Ramondre was struggling, Travion was fine, but then he fumbled at the goal line and just got ripped out from under us. And so Ollie Gordon, quietly, 20% of his carries this year have gone for 10 plus yards.
01:10:46
Speaker 2: He's been super explosive.
01:10:48
Speaker 3: He's the kind of guy where you can play and maybe struggles, but he's already shown us against better run defenses that it takes one carry and suddenly you have a 40-yard touchdown. So I also like Ollie Gordon for tournaments too.
01:11:03
Speaker 6: Rich, thoughts on Gordon?
01:11:04
Speaker 1: You don't have to play Ollie Gordon, Rich.
01:11:06
Speaker 2: I did him on my.
01:11:07
Speaker 6: List too, for what it's worth. He is on my list.
01:11:09
Speaker 2: And you don't have to agree with me. It's fine too. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm not going to push back on anyone's mid-range running back play of delight.
01:11:22
Speaker 6: Anybody else on your list, Rich? I had a couple other guys that– there's a couple other that I want to talk about even though I don't want to play, and one of them is Chuba Hubbard because he's just been lights out. I never really play running backs against Tampa, but he has a good projection. He's projecting for a little bit of ownership, so I think he's worth talking about.
01:11:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just my general rule. Like, Tampa's usually on my no-fly zone. We talked about it with who'd they play last. It was Jalen Warren when Jalen was just like, same thing. But, I mean, you are soaking up a lot of touches. That's why he's going to project well, right? Because, like, the median's always going to be good for a Chuba Hubbard because, I mean, he literally is getting all of the running back work. And that's what you kind of need, I think, against the Bucs. I mean, they're just so good against the run that I feel like it's more like if he gets a touchdown, like, he's still not going to really pop.
01:12:10
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:12:10
Speaker 2: That's I like the bright. I like, I would rather just play Bryce young if I'm going to play Panthers. What's up boys.
01:12:16
Speaker 1: My apologies. Shout out to TJ. I presume you stepped in and did a fabulous job. I'm not going to ask you guys to recap. I'll just listen to the podcast.
01:12:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:12:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're good myself. But, uh, I hear running backs. Is there any more running backs that have to be unleashed with the people?
01:12:30
Speaker 2: TJ had one more pitch to us. I think so. Yeah.
01:12:33
Speaker 3: So far you, you've missed Braylon Allen, Ollie Gordon, Jeremiah love.
01:12:38
Speaker 2: Uh, Why'd they come back? Yeah, that's a great question.
01:12:44
Speaker 6: Just, I guess, what's everybody's thoughts on Derrick Henry?
01:12:50
Speaker 3: That's another one where I just fear we lost the game script.
01:12:56
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Rich.
01:12:57
Speaker 3: I had Henry notes somewhere.
01:12:59
Speaker 1: Are we getting the center back? He's coming back. The guy they traded for?
01:13:02
Speaker 2: Maybe. Maybe Cam Jurgens. We're waiting to see. Obviously, the offensive line's been a problem for him. That's really kind of the bummer is the last month, he's 0.79 yards before contact per rush. He's been hit behind the line of scrimmage on 56% of his runs. The seventh highest rate in the NFL. There are some pros here. Like, it depends. the Bengals play the highest like light box rate. And if obviously Lamar's out, that gives them maybe some more incentive to still do that. But like Daigle said, if Tyler Huntley's here, like I just, at that price, like I feel like we lose a little bit of the upside, but you know, he did have a huge game with Huntley last year against the Packers. Maybe we get there, but I'm just sad. I'm just overall sad about that, the whole development of that game.
01:13:50
Speaker 1: Daigle, anybody that you want to throw into the conversation as far as running backs that have not been discussed just yet?
01:13:56
Speaker 3: Oh, no, I'm the one who pitched Love and Gordon at like 1%, so you don't want to come back to me for running backs.
01:14:02
Speaker 1: Was Bucky Irvin thrown out by chance?
01:14:05
Speaker 2: I mentioned him.
01:14:07
Speaker 1: I think the matchup has gotten really tough.
01:14:09
Speaker 3: Like, if you look at the last three games, the Panthers have put the clamps on every running backs they've faced. I would get it from a Yusu's perspective because we kind of rode the roller coaster. He played the Cowboys, handled a season low in touches, a season low in share of touches. but had a career high on rushing yards because he played the Cowboys. Last week, because he played the Bucs.
01:14:32
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
01:14:33
Speaker 1: Who did the Bucs play last week?
01:14:34
Speaker 2: Steelers?
01:14:36
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:14:37
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:14:38
Speaker 3: Last week, tougher matchup, but he had a season-high share of backfield touches because he earned that from the Cowboys game, but finished with a season-low in total yards, just 49 from scrimmage. And so if the usage is trending that way, then sure, the Dominoes could fall right, and Bucky Irving could be like an every-touch guy who suddenly explodes. I do think it's worrisome that Sean Tucker's practicing in full.
01:14:57
Speaker 2: So he's going to play.
01:14:58
Speaker 3: Sean Tucker was available in the Cowboys game, though, and Bucky Irving got two carries inside the five.
01:15:03
Speaker 1: So wilder things have happened. Forgive me if you guys covered this, but are we expecting Mason to take over for Aaron Jones? He needs that rest, doesn't he? I know we got the bye week.
01:15:14
Speaker 2: No, it'll be split.
01:15:15
Speaker 1: Is he going to make it 50-50 and it's all worthless? Is that basically what we're expecting?
01:15:19
Speaker 3: I would project Mason higher, but Jones is still going to be involved.
01:15:23
Speaker 2: Definitely.
01:15:24
Speaker 3: Like they're coming off a buy. We can't say Jones is like tired. He's had 14 days off.
01:15:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:15:30
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, if we go back to week one, which maybe is not going to be what we see going forward, like it was a direct 50, 50 split. Like each, each dude had a carry inside the five. Like they, they both ran the same number of pass routes. Like they were just playing both guys like interchangeably.
01:15:44
Speaker 3: I think until we see like an actual uses jump, that's just a season long thing to be excited about.
01:15:51
Speaker 1: Daigle receivers?
01:15:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we talked about who in this? Oh, CJ Stratton got a quarter for back. So, like, naturally that– are we losing Dean again?
01:16:06
Speaker 1: I think I'm still with you guys. Can you guys hear me?
01:16:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're good.
01:16:10
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know what's going on, man. I'm going to give– I'm going to write the angriest of letters and emails to Xfinity.
01:16:17
Speaker 3: Florida can't handle Giannis' debut.
01:16:20
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a strongly worded email.
01:16:24
Speaker 3: We talked about Stroud and how to play that game, but for as concerned as I am about J.J. McCarthy and dragging everyone down, Houston has struggled not only against big plays, but against opposing wide receiver ones. Malik neighbors led every wide receiver and expected points last week as well. So, uh, given that the Texans are defending the second most targets to wide receiver ones weekly, I do think Malik neighbors is like a fine bring back, whether you play chalk Woody marks or send it down with CJ Stroud.
01:16:59
Speaker 2: And then, uh, Rich, you can go next, uh, for receivers. Yeah. Uh, I'm still on the, I'm still on the coker train. There's at least six catches and nine targets in every full game he played. Also like a bunch of matchup notes for him. Tampa Bay, second highest rate of cover three. You know, Coker's been targeting 33% of his routes, 4.3 yards per outrun against single high defenses. Coker also against the Blitz, you know, has been targeting 29% of his routes for just under four yards per outrun. Also, he plays in the slot more than Tet, you know, double at the rate. And 41% of the receptions against the Bucs go to slot receivers. So still on Coker, another guy that's probably a little bit underpriced for his actual usage because he kind of had a couple games where he was in and out of the lineup. So definitely still on Coker.
01:17:54
Speaker 1: Daigle?
01:17:56
Speaker 3: I'll go back to Nico Collins as well. Last week we saw Jalen Knoll and Marvin Harrison's debut against the Jaguars pop up.
01:18:04
Speaker 1: For more fantasy points than Nico Collins.
01:18:08
Speaker 3: But Nico Collins still dominated in target share. He's still the wide receiver one here. The Giants, again, if you want to play this through the air, I'd happily stack Nico with C.J.
01:18:17
Speaker 1: Stroud.
01:18:18
Speaker 3: Again, you were also questioning here where to get the salary from as I tinker with that still. But I still like Nico Collins in that range too just because everyone's naturally instead going to play Watson, Golden, and Amon Ra around that neighbors Nico range of wide receivers.
01:18:36
Speaker 1: Where do the, as far as Harrison participation, how much more does that jump? You presume it jumps more. So this week, uh, Noel versus Harrison, you have a lean amongst those two.
01:18:46
Speaker 2: Uh, long-term.
01:18:47
Speaker 3: I still think Noel is the better play. Uh, I have questions about this game though. I guess if you're playing Stroud, you don't care. You can lean into Noel, but yeah, we're still asking ourselves like in a blowout game script that this is projected to be.
01:19:01
Speaker 1: Since again, the total keeps rising.
01:19:03
Speaker 2: It's at home.
01:19:03
Speaker 3: It gets a bad quarterback. Like, will they play Noel? If we get down to two wide receiver sets, uh, Will they play MSJ or Xavier Hutchinson instead?
01:19:11
Speaker 1: I don't know.
01:19:12
Speaker 3: But again, no, so cheap, no, still under four, four K, right?
01:19:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. Three, nine, but they're also still, you can still get lucky.
01:19:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:19:21
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't, I don't take Dale's the one where if we get like three routes, I'd be shocked.
01:19:26
Speaker 1: I was going to say like, he's going to play, he's going to play less than a, what's his name? Christian Kirk. I would imagine.
01:19:34
Speaker 3: You could just play Noel and get lucky, too, for sure. You could bank a big catch, whatever, at $ 3, 900.
01:19:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious, Richie, if you have a thought on that, or if it's just not something you were messing with as far as Noel or Harrison. Does Dell, like, he's not something you play, but mucks things up a little bit. Is it just all about Collins on Houston as far as receivers, and that's that?
01:19:56
Speaker 2: They could have a little bit of that rotation around him. Knoll plays in the slot, so he's kind of the safest dude because the other guys don't really play in the slot. You look at Marv, Xavier Hutchinson, Booty, even Tank Dell, who's thought of as a slot receiver but has never really played slot in his career. But that's also what caps Knoll from his role expanding. Everyone wants the expansion for Knoll, but he's roadblocked because all these other guys play on the outside. That's why when you look at Noel, even though he's hitting the big plays, and like Daniel said, you could totally play him and just hope the luck box in the big play. But his route rates are completely still really low, 56%, 63%, 70%. And his target shares are 11%, 15%, 12%. He doesn't really have that usage because he can't get to those outside routes because they have a gaggle. They just have all these dudes they've acquired now at this point. It's funny. Like they went, we went from like, Oh, these, these, these Texans receivers are trash when Nico Collins is out. And now it's like, there's too many of these dudes. Like what happened?
01:21:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:21:01
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:21:01
Speaker 1: Um, it Dell, you're right. The physique. I mean, I, I don't, it's been a while since, you know, play, but I just kind of assume he's a slot guy just based upon his physique in my head. He kind of built like a slot guy, but I didn't realize he's never played slot before.
01:21:13
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, no, he's like, he's like a flanker Z like big dude.
01:21:19
Speaker 1: Are we still playing Tate, Rebar? Is he still one.
01:21:22
Speaker 2: Of your guys? Yeah, I still like Carnell Tate. He's way underpriced for his usage, obviously, because, you know, his quarterback that he plays with. I mean, when you look at his box score last week, and then you look at Cam Ward's box score, like, it doesn't compute. You're like, how did this guy do this when his quarterback did that? So, like, we always have to deal with that. But he's super cheap. I mean, he's the wide receiver nine now in target sharing. He's the wide receiver two in air yard share. And the Browns, like, They are an aggressive defense, but they give up big plays because they're an aggressive defense. So like, that's what we're doing with at this price is like, we're not looking for like him to just like, you know, clear like salary. It's just turning big plays. So yeah, 5,100, he's definitely still someone that's on my board and maybe TJ, you could just play Watson with, with Tate and not, you know, do anything else that game.
01:22:14
Speaker 1: Did I miss that? It was Watson pumped out there as a, as a play.
01:22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:22:17
Speaker 6: But that's my that's my gross pivot off of nicks if he becomes chalky.
01:22:22
Speaker 1: Who's your is it is a boston is a conception is it one of those two is it both maybe.
01:22:28
Speaker 6: One maybe both either or is fine but i don't want to like i'm not excited about either.
01:22:33
Speaker 1: I can hear hearing your voice you're not you don't want to even repeat that you're on that but.
01:22:38
Speaker 2: Well we found like the this year in particular like the The more of the meta for stacking is these guys that have the clear stacking guys. That's, like, why Jameis was– like, you have two dudes getting targets, right? That's why the Falcons, like– so, like, the guys, like, we talked about with May. Like, if you got to Demary Douglas, like, props to you, right? Like, and that's what I'm worried about happening with Stroud now is, like, it's going to be a little bit more diluted and, like, you kind of got to do a little guesswork on getting these guys where it's, like, you can just, like, all right, I'm playing Joe Burrow. I know exactly what I'm doing or– You know, those types of the guys we're seeing it kind of steer towards that are winning the tournaments because the guys that are popular necessarily that have a lot of guys like a golf, for example, like it's tougher to set because you're just going to have more misses with those guys because you're trying to get the right pieces. So you're mixing matching lineups, trying to get a Jamison in or a Laporta in, and those are not necessarily what's taking down the big large field stuff.
01:23:33
Speaker 1: Last week, Tate 7 for 70, and Ward was 11 for 22 for 100 yards.
01:23:43
Speaker 2: He won, though.
01:23:45
Speaker 3: I believe he has 35% of Ward's passing yards this year. You're just taking on everything.
01:23:51
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's not much. I mean, there's Wandale, I guess. Yeah, not much else going on there. I keep hearing that Ridley is going to get traded. I don't know who's trading for him, but whatever. I guess. I mean, I suppose he was once good. Any other receivers? Anybody else? I got a few.
01:24:10
Speaker 2: Oh, do you? Okay.
01:24:11
Speaker 3: I don't, I was, I was digging for something cheap and Noel is the cheapest I got earlier.
01:24:17
Speaker 2: It's the same thing with the Knicks factor. It's like, it's, it's just like, if not win for Jalen Waddle, you know, so I'm not going to go any further than that because, Uh, one other cheap guy that I'm keeping an eye on that's already practicing, uh, you're in Dean, you're your guy here. Uh, they didn't put them on IR because they had a buy to buy a week, but, uh, Caleb Douglas looks like he's coming back this week. Um, and you know, his first two games, he was on the field for 86%, 82% of the dropbacks. He still has the highest yardage game for the pass catchers this year. He had a 94-yard game week one.
01:24:51
Speaker 1: Week one.
01:24:52
Speaker 2: A player that I liked as a prospect, and I thought he meshed well with the way Malik Willis plays. A volatile play, but, like, someone you can run with, like, a Braylon Allen mini, too.
01:25:02
Speaker 1: Can we assume he's mostly back as far as route running and participation? Like, is he going to be eased in?
01:25:08
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I can't tell you that.
01:25:09
Speaker 1: Do the Dolphins care? That's the only, like, you know. They want to beat the Jets, I guess. I mean, in theory, they really don't like each other. you know, there's going to be some, some scrapping in the, in the stands for sure. Um, but yeah, I mean, that's, that's kind of my issue is like, and then what's their motivation to push them. But like you said, he's super skilled and he's like more talented than the price.
01:25:30
Speaker 2: Is the, they drafted him ahead of all the other guys too. He was their first receiver pick of the three they made, uh, immediately was the starter from, from rip.
01:25:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:25:40
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:25:41
Speaker 1: What about Cooper on the other side? He's hitting some stuff. Oh yeah.
01:25:43
Speaker 2: He's going to be chased for sure. I'm sure.
01:25:46
Speaker 1: Is that, good or bad?
01:25:48
Speaker 2: Oh, no, I don't think it's necessarily bad at all. You got to worry. I think, well, two things, right? Uh, one is anytime you play the dolphins, you, you have to be hyper-efficient because like just teams don't have to throw against them. Uh, that's why I don't think I can get the Gino for, from a tournament perspective. I think he's a really solid, like cash game play. And if you were streaming him and manage leagues, I think he's really good play because where the dolphins go up all the production is like where Gino is likes to work, right? So Geno's only thrown 24% of his passes 10 or more yards downfield. It's the second lowest rate in the NFL. Well, the Dolphins on throws under 10 yards are allowing a 90% completion rate, highest rate in the NFL. It's made. This match was made for Geno to be efficient. But we've also seen one time the Jets really control a game, and it was a Titans game, and they went way pass rate below expectation. So that's something that happened. The other thing that happened before we get super overhead of Omar Cooper, who I think you should pick up in leagues. He's a first round pick that showed something. He can create his own stuff is that he also had his route targets spike because Garrett Wilson was playing as Christian Gonzalez. So we saw a down week for Garrett Wilson in terms of target equity from his usual usage, which led to him or Cooper getting an uptick. No problem with the salary matchup or anything, but like I'm pretty sure Garrett Wilson is going to have a high target share this week in terms of the past attempts that the Jets throw. because he's not going against Christian Gonzalez this week.
01:27:14
Speaker 1: So the Dolphins don't have a version of Christian Gonzalez?
01:27:16
Speaker 2: They do not.
01:27:17
Speaker 1: They do not, unfortunately.
01:27:21
Speaker 3: Rich also, Rich mentioned Caleb Douglas. I was going to also throw out Chris Bell, just because he's a little bit cheaper than Caleb Douglas. We also haven't seen Douglas and Bell together at full strength, so I would consider the target tree ambiguous, even though Douglas was awesome those first two games he played. But the last two times we saw Bell... was at 74, 80% route rates, and then he had a 60-yard touchdown called back, and he had a 26-yard carry. So we know he has the big playability, and now he's had 14 days to rest after ramping up.
01:27:54
Speaker 1: Who was that quarterback that Geno was the head of? You said Geno's got the second lowest. I'm curious as far as the passing yards.
01:28:02
Speaker 2: It's Bo Nix. It's Bo Nix. That was my guess.
01:28:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to guess. Yeah, I was going to guess that's who it was.
01:28:09
Speaker 3: You one look at any passing chart and you know, Bo Nix is just sidelines and line of scrimmage.
01:28:15
Speaker 1: It's all that dude is throwing. And like Arizona's probably not going to push them. Maybe, probably not.
01:28:22
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, Arizona, Arizona as a defense is seeing, you know, they're defending over 10 air yards per target. That doesn't mean they're going to force Bo Nix to throw deep, but you know, quarterbacks in general are throwing deep against Arizona.
01:28:37
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. I mean, you know, Nick's is hurt. the chatter. I don't know if he cares about the chatter and all that, but people are all, you know, starting with the Fitzpatrick, just kind of making fun of him on national TV saying he was an embarrassment to the position, which is, I mean, that's pretty harsh. I like the take.
01:28:55
Speaker 2: But he was probably would have been in the Superbowl last year.
01:28:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:28:59
Speaker 2: Broke his ankle.
01:29:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe that's part of it. Maybe he's just apprehensive. He's afraid to push it. I don't know. Who knows? We're not inside his head.
01:29:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, sports psychology is a different beast. And playing quarterback is a different beast in general. Tight ends?
01:29:16
Speaker 1: I think we're done with receivers.
01:29:18
Speaker 2: Rich, you unloaded?
01:29:19
Speaker 1: You got everybody else wanted out there?
01:29:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some other guys. I mean, there's some flimsy. Like I said, I know someone brought up Jacoby Lane. It's just with Lamar not playing.
01:29:27
Speaker 3: I would say with Lamar, yes, but not without. Not with Lamar.
01:29:32
Speaker 2: I pray, I pray we get there. Cause I was like, it didn't look good today. It looked like Lamar was going to be out again. Uh, but if we get to Friday and maybe Lamar is practicing, like I'll be, I'm I've that game. I was so happy to write up and just so sad.
01:29:44
Speaker 1: And like, so the game might be killed as a whole, like, uh, even, I don't, nobody, unless I missed it tomorrow, chase chase Brown.
01:29:53
Speaker 2: Like I tried to still sell Dagon Burrow, but like it obviously loses, uh, some of the shine.
01:29:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Diego, you have some tight ends? No, not really.
01:30:04
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, we talked about George Kittle, Kobe Parkinson.
01:30:14
Speaker 1: That's kind of my pool boy.
01:30:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got both guys in the Detroit game still available to you as well. We talked about Bowers and covered those tight ends. The only other guy I have– If Bo Nix is going to be popular and everyone's going to play him, I do have Kevin Ingram down here. Titans have 26% of the reception against Arizona. So it's like, hey, if you're going to commit to Bo Nix, commit all the way.
01:30:44
Speaker 1: Did anybody try to sell McCarthy? I didn't think so. It's probably not going to go well for him. Finished.
01:30:57
Speaker 3: It was the same shit we saw last year. Finished dead last in catchable pass rate. Two interceptions that were dropped as the Saints were just playing prevent because they're up by three touchdowns.
01:31:07
Speaker 1: No one cares.
01:31:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:31:10
Speaker 3: But don't say that online, though. You will get absolutely dragged. The comments will come for you. Because now, J.D. McCarthy's in the center of the Venn diagram, if you think about it, of Michigan, Minnesota, and New York.
01:31:25
Speaker 2: So you just get attacked.
01:31:26
Speaker 3: by all of.
01:31:27
Speaker 1: It because no one is a reasonable human being i didn't know there was a jd mccarthy hive i wasn't aware.
01:31:32
Speaker 3: Of that oh oh dean yeah uh go look at my latest tweet and you'll see well before i promoted this show go go look at the cesspool of comments.
01:31:42
Speaker 1: I will pull it up yeah i always tread lightly when i jump on twitter but just.
01:31:46
Speaker 3: Don't don't show your children for anyone listening because the comments i can take them because i've done this for two decades Um, and you know, I, I, I do, I do enjoy admittedly, I don't want to give away my secret, but my favorite kind of rage baiting is when I don't have an opinion whatsoever. All I do is release a stat and then everyone, everyone thinks I'm attacking their family by simply tweeting a stat.
01:32:09
Speaker 1: I find interesting.
01:32:10
Speaker 2: That's it.
01:32:11
Speaker 3: Uh, but people will come for your head. If you talk bad about JJ McCarthy, who's a terrible quarterback.
01:32:16
Speaker 1: Is there another Hive that, as far as talent versus size of Hive, is that the biggest one? Biggest size of Hive?
01:32:23
Speaker 2: That's a great question. What's the largest margin?
01:32:27
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:32:28
Speaker 1: I wasn't really aware of them. I'm not really on the Twitter. Tebow.
01:32:31
Speaker 2: Tebow was a good one.
01:32:33
Speaker 1: That's a great answer.
01:32:34
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
01:32:35
Speaker 2: Tebow's a great one.
01:32:36
Speaker 1: Great answer.
01:32:36
Speaker 2: You're angering people by saying Tebow.
01:32:38
Speaker 1: You're right.
01:32:38
Speaker 2: It's already.
01:32:39
Speaker 1: It's only going to prove your answer. It's only going to prove that you're right to say Tebow. Uh, yeah, that's, uh, we can't beat Tebow. That's, that's the best answer.
01:32:48
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
01:32:50
Speaker 6: J.J.
01:32:50
Speaker 2: McCarthy's the new Tebow.
01:32:53
Speaker 1: Um, Rich, do you have any tight ends?
01:32:55
Speaker 2: You're done. But we talked about all the good ones on the slate, to be honest, to be fair. I know.
01:33:02
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to derail the segment by not having an answer, but I literally don't have an answer for it. I'm probably going to play a lot of Colby Parkinson just.
01:33:08
Speaker 1: Because he's so cheap. Is TJ playing Fannin? I don't know how far he, how far he is in the weeds on, uh, on Watson, but man, it's, huh?
01:33:17
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:33:18
Speaker 1: It's, it's not a lot, not a lot to get excited about as far as what's left. We talked about the good stuff. They were in the games that we featured.
01:33:22
Speaker 2: So yeah, they were in there.
01:33:23
Speaker 1: I guess it is what it is.
01:33:27
Speaker 2: Okay.
01:33:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:33:28
Speaker 1: We're going to segue to our movie here in a second. Before we do that, I do want to get on a Wednesday night, your favorite stack, Dagle, however you want it. If you want to say a game stack, if you want to say an onslaught, however you want to answer that, what is the most appealing stack on a Wednesday night? Unfortunately, it is. Can you still hear me, by the way?
01:33:49
Speaker 4: Just fine.
01:33:49
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:33:50
Speaker 1: Okay, good.
01:33:51
Speaker 3: I had my AirPods just die. And unfortunately, it is Packers Lions, but I'm probably going to take a couple pieces from the 49ers Falcons as well. I got to figure out how to play the Texans offense. Maybe it's as simple as playing Woody Marks, even though the Texans can't naturally run the ball. But again, when you're taking Jawar Jordan, who was actually more explosive than Woody Marks last week against a very good Jaguars front seven, too, we're taking them out of the equation. It does seem like Woody Marsh is just going to get every single touch and have a chance to score two touchdowns. So, but yeah, I like the Packers lines.
01:34:25
Speaker 1: I know. Rich, you got anything else you want to see that stack? You can call.
01:34:31
Speaker 2: I don't think it raised. Lamar Jackson.
01:34:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:34:34
Speaker 2: With Zay Flowers.
01:34:36
Speaker 1: I don't think it's happening.
01:34:39
Speaker 2: I mean, it might.
01:34:40
Speaker 1: I don't think it's happening, though.
01:34:42
Speaker 2: No, no. Yeah, I mean, listen. Packers, Lions, obviously the chalk answer. Kind of interested in, like I said, just some of the cheap pieces in Dolphins, Jets. If you want to bounce around that. But it is pretty. It feels chalky right now.
01:34:58
Speaker 1: Would you play one of those quarterbacks? No, just the pieces.
01:35:04
Speaker 2: We talked about, yeah, I think you could maybe get away. I think Gino and cash is probably okay, but you know, I don't think I want to play him for a tournament upside.
01:35:12
Speaker 1: Um, yeah.
01:35:14
Speaker 2: And then you got the bone next stuff out there too. It's just, I don't, I look at these games and I'm just like trying to find like the oddball competitive game. And I kind of feel like dolphin jets is the only one that kind of really stands out. Um, I guess you could maybe squint and say Broncos Cardinals, but I have still problems with the Cardinals moving the ball against them.
01:35:33
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm a surprise that dolphins came back from the, I thought they were just going to be, that's it. Like it's just good. They're in the Bahamas or something.
01:35:41
Speaker 2: No, I mean, doesn't dolphins, uh, that last week against the bangles, like put up a fight too. Okay.
01:35:47
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:35:48
Speaker 2: You know, like they were in that game. Yeah, that's what you want out of them. That's exactly what you want from a fantasy football perspective. What we saw the Dolphins do against the Bengals because they pushed them a little bit. Some of their guys were able to get some points. That's exactly what you want because you're always able to stack dudes probably against the Dolphins. You're just looking for a one-piece to come back with them, whether it be an isolated Willis or an Ali Gordon or a Malik Washington, a Caleb, whatever your guy is.
01:36:17
Speaker 3: We talked about Ali Gordon- Caleb Douglas and Chris Bell. Like, what if we just play naked Malik Willis and stack the rest of these guys up? We've seen crazier things than Malik Willis running for like a 40-yard touchdown.
01:36:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there's no opportunity to cost that quarterback this week. I don't know. That's the way I'm seeing it. Like, who's the quarterback that's going to break the slate? I don't know. Maybe one guy. But I can't point out the guy that's going to do it.
01:36:49
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson.
01:36:50
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's a different slate, unfortunately. He broke something.
01:36:57
Speaker 2: No, it's all pocket passers, though. I mean, it's all pocket passers. Exactly.
01:37:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, 303, 304.
01:37:04
Speaker 2: I think we had a slate like this earlier in the season where it was the two guys that were pocket passers. Actually, it was just two weeks ago, right? It was just Brissette Goff.
01:37:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one that Drake made. Yeah, Daniels and May. I'll play them. The guys that can scoot. The guys that can move. They both were 1-2, if I'm not mistaken. May and Daniels.
01:37:23
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:37:24
Speaker 2: That's why I said Bryce Young is still in play, I think. That's another game that I guess could be competitive in a different way too, right? That game could end up being competitive. Tampa Bay has only played one score games. Every game they played is one score game. So maybe that's a way to... So don't love the inverse side of the Baker side, but there's push potentially there. But yeah, and then you've got these runners down here, like maybe a one-off Malik Willis or something. But you do have the pocket passers that are going to be the most popular guys again. So it does leave the slate wide open to be run down.
01:37:57
Speaker 1: And as we talked about, that was.
01:37:59
Speaker 3: The big point of that slate with Lions Cardinals is that historically in these kind of slates.
01:38:04
Speaker 2: Oh, that's how Kyler gets there, isn't it?
01:38:06
Speaker 1: Son of a bitch.
01:38:07
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
01:38:08
Speaker 3: When ownership is gathering on the one game historically in main slates, you don't need the quarterback.
01:38:13
Speaker 1: You can find it elsewhere. All right. We've given the people an hour and 40 minutes of NFL DFS content on a Wednesday night. Essentially, your first look laying the groundwork. Do check back. Do circle back to see what's going on as far as injuries. Check out Rutter Runners. Check out Chart Football Analysis. Check out ETR, but we have to. We have to get to our movie. Going to bring TJ back. We're going to bring in Rob as well. TJ, making an appearance. Shout out. Thank you, TJ, for taking over because I was scrambling over here with my interwebs, but I guess we're good to go going forward, but Yeah. All right.
01:38:51
Speaker 4: No problem at all.
01:38:52
Speaker 6: It was fine. I made a joke about you going to watch the Miami game. Nobody laughed. And I asked about Kyron Williams, and we had already covered the Rams game. And so I had two blunders, but other than that, it went pretty well.
01:39:07
Speaker 1: Rob, what's going on? Welcome to a Wednesday night.
01:39:11
Speaker 4: TJ's not getting a high score on my five, on my out of five meter for his performance tonight on the pick six show.
01:39:20
Speaker 6: It was an opportunity to step in and show my talent. And I just, I, JJ McCarthy did, you know, like I put up a couple of points, but there were definitely some dropped interceptions as well.
01:39:30
Speaker 2: Well, it's like the SAT.
01:39:31
Speaker 1: Like you start with a certain number of points. Like TJ, you just, just jump it off. Just being available.
01:39:36
Speaker 2: It's tough, man. Dean is a, Dean is a good host. Like it's, it's a tough job, man. Some people are just awesome at it, man. Like Dean's just, Dean is incredible as a host, like overset. Like these guys are just like, it's a gift, man.
01:39:49
Speaker 1: Some really good, uh, really talented people out there.
01:39:51
Speaker 2: All right.
01:39:52
Speaker 1: Um, I was just listening to, uh, Levitan and Daigle before the show, you guys are talking about, uh, your week seven, I guess the, uh, the, the, the players up players down. I don't know. What's the official title of that show. They go, I was hearing that it's in between my basketball show.
01:40:04
Speaker 3: It's the rest of season one 50, although I feel like, and it's a great show. Don't get me wrong, but I feel like a lot of the time this year, we've kind of been talking through the same situations like, Oh, the giants now with James Winston. Oh, the giants now with JJ McCarthy. Um, The Eagles without Jalen Hurts is just the whole landscape changes when a quarterback gets injured. And so you're just trying to evaluate it week to week, month to month.
01:40:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:40:27
Speaker 1: So that that one's free.
01:40:29
Speaker 3: I also got in this episode, I got poked about the Cowboys and they got really upset and had to remind everyone that. When ETR came for a little visit to Chicago earlier this year, Silva and I got in a big argument because I told him Brian Schottenheimer is a character coach. He's not a head coach. He's a terrible play caller, and he just wasn't having it.
01:40:51
Speaker 2: He didn't believe me.
01:40:51
Speaker 1: He thought Brian.
01:40:52
Speaker 3: Schottenheimer was a great coach. But you're seeing in-game choices that have already cost the Cowboys two games this year because, again, Schottenheimer is a terrible head coach. He's the one who takes the blame for Jerry Jones. Thus, the organization runs well. And Adam then told me I need to go on Cowboy Sports Radio because that was a terrible answer.
01:41:15
Speaker 2: That's us with the Guardians, man. Like Steven Vogt, manager of the year two times. Like a great clubhouse dude and like a terrible, a terrible manager, like of in-game baseball.
01:41:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Dallas is getting what they deserve. I don't know if Cleveland deserves that.
01:41:29
Speaker 3: Fair.
01:41:30
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to talk.
01:41:32
Speaker 1: By the way, Dean, there's no way... Like you don't care about.
01:41:36
Speaker 3: A Rays Brewers World Series, right? I feel like the ratings like had to lose in this.
01:41:42
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm supposed to be interested. I'm a baseball fan. I really do. I really do enjoy baseball. I don't have a favorite team anymore. I broke up with the Marlins many, many years ago. You know, they broke my heart way too many times. So I'm agnostic when it comes to teams. But I am, you know, I am partial to the Rays. I went to school not too far, you know, in Orlando, an hour and a half, whatever it is. I got friends that like the Rays, and I just like their organization, how they make things work. I respect how they make things work. So, yeah, I'm rooting for Tampa. And also Milwaukee screwing their fans over. First of all, making them buy that $ 1, 000 Wonka Golden ticket and then not even paying it off. I don't know if you guys have a backstory on that.
01:42:21
Speaker 2: I don't.
01:42:23
Speaker 4: It's incredible, Rich. You got to go down that rabbit hole.
01:42:26
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
01:42:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:42:28
Speaker 1: They conned Brewer fans 10 years ago into buying a Wonka Golden ticket for $ 1, 000 to say, this is renewable for whatever, anytime you want in the future. You can get any ticket you want in the future. And the Brewers fans say, hey, and they sold 1,000. They said, hey, I want World Series tickets. And it also says the best tickets available. And that's the key thing because they're giving people nosebleeds. They're giving them because they want to sell it. It's like, come on, Milwaukee. I was rooting for, I like Bob Euchre, love Bob Euchre. So either way, I'm happy. But now karma says you can't win.
01:42:59
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to go. I went to two ALCS games. And when they won, obviously they put the world series tickets for sale for season ticket holders. And the price even for those were just like on, on, it was like untenable. And that was before secondary market. Secondary, I don't know how people go to World Series games.
01:43:17
Speaker 4: Well, you invest in a Ponzi scheme. That's how you get to World Series.
01:43:23
Speaker 1: Many years ago, I was lucky enough. I was at the World Series game where Alex Gonzalez had the walk-off against the Yankees. I was also at the World Series game where it was the same game when Miguel Cabrera hit the homer off Roger Clemens when Roger Clemens was supposedly retiring. And that was in Pro Player Park where there was like, you know what makes it easier? There's 70,000 tickets available. So more More quantity, so it might have been like a couple hundred bucks or something like that, but that was pretty spectacular. All right. The people want to hear about Tuner. Tuner just came out. It came out this year. It's already on Paramount Plus in the States. It is a mystery, thriller, crime drama, music, romance, all those descriptions on Rotten Tomatoes. I'll go ahead and read the description for the people. In Tuner, Academy Award-winning director... Daniel Rower's first narrative feature, Leo Woodall, stars as a gifted young pianotuner whose heightened sense of hearing draws the attention of criminals who see his talents as useful for opening safes as well as for tuning Steinways. With his once-promising musical career over, he works across New York with his mentor Harry Horowitz, the Academy Award winner Dustin Hoffman, encouraging a range of characters including Composition student, Ruthie, with whom he forges an unexpected connection. Nikki's safe cracking work threatens his budding romance with Ruthie and with Ruthie and pulls them into increasingly dangerous territory. I don't know why I picked the much longer synopsis. I was like, God. IMDb has it like, here's IMDb, a talented piano tuner who suffers from hyperacusis, discovers an unexpected aptitude for cracking safes, turning his life upside down. There you go. One sentence. Why did I pick that one? So much easier.
01:45:11
Speaker 6: And that was a pretty perfect synopsis.
01:45:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:45:15
Speaker 1: I don't know why I started with Rotten Tomatoes, but bad job by me. I am the J.J. McCarthy of introducing movies. But yeah, T.J.
01:45:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have done better than that. I would have done better than that.
01:45:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
01:45:26
Speaker 2: The bar was low.
01:45:28
Speaker 1: T.J., why did you pick Tuner?
01:45:32
Speaker 6: I had heard of a couple of friends that had seen it and liked it, and it just kept popping up on my For You page on Amazon Prime. And it was one of a few movies that I was interested in checking out. Threw it up to a vote. That was, I mean, I don't actually think we had a consensus, but that was the one I ultimately decided to go with. And I feel good about the choice. I had no idea what to expect, and I really enjoyed it. Yeah, Dago, you just, right before the show, I think you said you finished, you finished Tuner. So it's probably freshest in your brain.
01:46:05
Speaker 1: Your thoughts?
01:46:07
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, but was I having more fun with Jean-Claude Van.
01:46:11
Speaker 1: Damme and that path? Yes.
01:46:13
Speaker 3: So TJ ruined that path for me. Otherwise though, we got back.
01:46:17
Speaker 2: Into actual movies.
01:46:19
Speaker 4: I don't know.
01:46:20
Speaker 3: You know, we're in week seven. I'm not really in the mood for like things that take me using my brain.
01:46:26
Speaker 1: Like I want to shut it off. But yes, enjoyable movie.
01:46:30
Speaker 2: Good story. We can dive into the details with everyone.
01:46:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was actual cinema and not a hard target. You long for hard target and Miami connection. Wasn't blood sport, unfortunately.
01:46:41
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. And TJ won again.
01:46:43
Speaker 1: So I'm curious what TJ, if he's going to go back to, I don't think we want to teach you over with Jean-Claude Van Damme, who by the way, celebrated a birthday this last Sunday. So shout out to him.
01:46:52
Speaker 4: Oh man.
01:46:52
Speaker 1: Happy birthday.
01:46:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:46:54
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm, I'm also, you gotta remember, like I'm, I'm coming off of, uh, you can see everything. Like a lot of people from this past weekend is in my brain is in like 30 different spots. When I watch movies now, I'm just looking at every single angle that's happening.
01:47:10
Speaker 1: I do want to sneak away and watch that. It's three hours long, which is a bit of excursion.
01:47:13
Speaker 2: But I feel like it.
01:47:14
Speaker 1: I'll give every minute of three hours. I'll give Nathan Fielder 10 hours. I just respect that. He knows I trust him more than any, anybody comic wise.
01:47:22
Speaker 6: Look in it, look in advance at the schedule, find some showtimes. I'll cover a grinders live for you and, uh, and you can go.
01:47:29
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
01:47:30
Speaker 1: I gotta, yeah, that's, I gotta sneak away and what I'll pretend. Uh, yeah, there you go.
01:47:34
Speaker 2: What's the last movie you saw in the theater, dude?
01:47:37
Speaker 1: Um, I don't know. It's going to be Magnolia or something. Oh, the Prestige is coming back. Speaking of Magnolia, the Prestige is coming back. I don't know if you guys saw that getting released. Yeah, I think it's a 20-year anniversary, I want to say. Or some kind of anniversary. That doesn't answer the question, Dean. Let me get back to you. I'm going to circle back. I got to circle back. But Rich, were you also overwhelmed by actual cinema? Was the story not nonsensical enough for you? How did you feel about Tuner?
01:48:06
Speaker 2: Um, it was solid, uh, good movie. Uh, like the lead actor, like, uh, like the sound element. Um, just like overall though, was a movie that had a lot of good ideas, but like execution I think was just didn't pick a lane. Like it, wanted to be like a crime movie it's a parts comedy part love story and i don't think any of those were particularly strong though um so no real problems with it just kind of a movie that i again will forget about probably in a week.
01:48:33
Speaker 6: The lead actor what was his name again dean I did like him.
01:48:38
Speaker 1: He was kind of an unknown. I was looking at his IMDb. Leo Whittle?
01:48:43
Speaker 2: He's pretty good.
01:48:43
Speaker 1: Leo Whittle.
01:48:44
Speaker 6: I had never seen him in anything before. He carried this movie. Because I agree with what Rich said. There's nothing in particular about the script that really stood out as exciting. It was kind of when all the chaos was unfolding was probably my least favorite part of the movie. Which is weird because I was like it's the most action packed and exciting. But like This dude just somehow made tuning a piano look so cool. Everything he did just looked really cool, and there could be not much going on, and I was still kind of invested. I was really invested in his character, and I feel like I just kind of want to follow this actor now because this kind of could have just been a nothing movie, but I feel like I was very invested because of him.
01:49:34
Speaker 1: So he did some Harry Potter voice work in 2026. or some cartoon stuff. Nuremberg. He was in Bridget Jones, Mad About the Boy. But I guess where I've probably seen him before, I just don't recall. He was Jack from the White Lotus. That's season two, I believe. I'm trying to remember what character Jack was. I've definitely seen all the White Lotus episodes.
01:49:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:49:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I agree. I thought he was excellent. I thought he was very good. And the female lead was good too. But I thought he was especially really impressive. Rob, jump in here. Your thoughts as far as Tuner?
01:50:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a solid movie. Everyone's points are for sure there. I was really shocked that they dug Dustin Hoffman up just to bury him again in this movie.
01:50:25
Speaker 2: I didn't know he.
01:50:26
Speaker 1: Was in it.
01:50:27
Speaker 6: That was a fun little surprise.
01:50:28
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:50:29
Speaker 1: Kind of the best supporting actor buzz on him, by the way, I think you're trying to make him a best supporting actor, but do.
01:50:33
Speaker 2: You think that was a real, uh, the bobblehead you could get that he brought to like the, the, yeah. Was it made for the movie or was it like, he was like, I have this, I'm gonna put this on the van.
01:50:42
Speaker 1: Like, I.
01:50:45
Speaker 4: Was wondering about myself, but yeah, overall, like it's a solid movie. I, the very opening scene I thought was not shot. Well, I really thought we were getting into just like a documentary for a second. just the lighting on that scene was terrible. Then they, they fix all of that going forward. The affliction that he's dealing with hit home. Cause that's something that I deal with. Not to the, not nearly to the level that this character deals with it. I have a very, I have a little bit of a different one than that character, but same idea overall. Yeah. It's so I get it to the, to a degree of what he's dealing with. So it was kind of interesting to see somebody with that affliction in a movie. Uh, but God, is this third act a mess? Just an absolute bungling of a, of a third act, uh, which is sad. Cause I, I was enjoying the movie. And then the third act just kind of, well.
01:51:41
Speaker 2: They have like all these ideas and they're just like, we're like, all right, I got this idea. Like the, the hearing part, it's like, well, what does it do?
01:51:46
Speaker 6: All right.
01:51:47
Speaker 2: He can just learn to crack safes on a YouTube video. And they're like, all right. And then what happens next? Well, he walks in on some guys cracking a safe that he has to crack. And then, like, obviously the watch goes to the one person that, like, they're just like, all this stuff is just like, oh, like, all right.
01:52:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:52:03
Speaker 2: Cool.
01:52:04
Speaker 6: I also thought this movie was at its worst when all of that was going on. I agree with Rob completely. I liked the conclusion, but not the third act. Like, I liked the last five minutes, but not most of the third act. but I thought this movie was at its best when it leans into a kind of movie trope that I just really enjoy with just like the tortured, unachieving, underachieving genius of it all with it, with the, just like whiplash vibes almost like without the JK Simmons character, but I'm like the, just somebody who has a talent, but also has a lot of hardship and trauma and like, has to persevere. Like I love that type of movie. And so I thought that's when it was at its best, which is kind of why I really liked the ending of it too, where it was like, even though these two people had just been assholes to each other, mostly him, uh, but a bit of both of them. Uh, and they were still able to like come to an agreement over there, like come to a understanding over their shared musical genius, which is like, I find that part more caps, uh, captivating than the safe cracking of it.
01:53:16
Speaker 1: All it's interesting you say goodwill uh you say uh got whiplash i thought goodwill hunting he reminded me of will hunting yeah you know uh in a sense like of pianos and safe cracking um by the way the opening scene you talk about rob it just kind of made me laugh i thought it was an interesting thing that you're just trying to say because You know, they're piano tuners. And the lady's like, yeah, the toilet's clogged. Can you fix the toilet? It's like, I'm not a plumber. Just because you're in the house to fix one thing doesn't mean you're good at fixing something else. They even called that back later on. They said, like, can you fix the router? It's like, I'm here to fix the piano.
01:53:53
Speaker 4: That's stuff that happens. I worked, you know, as a technician for Comcast for years. And I would walk into a house and they would just start asking you to do other shit. And you're just like, I don't do that. Why are you asking me to do this?
01:54:09
Speaker 6: I thought it was like, maybe there's a range when you're so good at your job and you got a big established name, like Dustin Hoffman's character, who's been doing this for multiple years where you're just booked and busy because you're the widely known best there is. But like, it seemed like I can't imagine piano tuning is that keeps the schedule as jam packed as it was keeping theirs. That was the most shocking and unrealistic part of this movie to me is he was like, they had a locked and loaded busy schedule getting to the next place to tune all these pianos seven days a week. And I just like can't imagine there are that many pianos needing to be tuned at all times.
01:54:48
Speaker 4: So I'll push back on that because my best friend is like a piano guy and he teaches piano and knows all the things about piano and them setting this in New York makes that make sense because I, like they described in the movie, just because a piano is not played, doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be tuned constantly. So, I mean, we go into locations like when I, when I'm traveling with Jesse and a lot of these like haunted locations, I go to have a piano there and they're all out of tune. So like these places that actually use their piano are constantly tuning them. Like they have a guy coming in all the time to, to tune these pianos. And I think that's why they set it in New York city so that the, that job makes more sense there than other places.
01:55:33
Speaker 6: I mean, if that's true, I think there's a, there's an, there's an opening in the market. If this is true, like we need more people getting to get piano tuning out there. Cause they were, they were overworked.
01:55:45
Speaker 1: I doesn't happen no longer available.
01:55:47
Speaker 3: I do. I, I realized I also cannot see Dustin Hoffman as, I don't know if you all remember this. Without thinking of, though, the last time I saw Dustin Hoffman, which was during Cowboys training camp.
01:56:04
Speaker 1: And again, I don't know if you all remember the story.
01:56:07
Speaker 3: I fell in love with it because he showed up randomly in Ventura, California. and John Machoda, Cowboys beat reporter, saw him, and he went up and talked to him, and he asked him, like Dustin Hoffman, what do you think about the Cowboys?
01:56:22
Speaker 2: And his response was, and I quote, I.
01:56:24
Speaker 1: Don't know anything about football. I think they're great.
01:56:27
Speaker 3: And that line encapsulates the exact character, character that Dustin Hoffman's playing here and the crazy old person who kind of goes away within 10 minutes of the movie.
01:56:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:56:41
Speaker 6: I did think he did a really good job of, encapsulating like the devastation of a minor, even like a, it wasn't very intense. It wasn't that bad of a day, but just like the difficulties of an average day when someone is really struggling with Alzheimer's or dementia. And I thought he did a really good job of bringing that to life where it's like the person is still there until they're not. And then they're telling a story that they believe so wholeheartedly is real. And you're stuck with the, You're stuck between, do I break it to them that this didn't happen and this person has been dead for a long time? Or do I allow them to be happy and live in that memory? And I thought they, in very brief moments, did a good job of portraying how difficult that is.
01:57:33
Speaker 1: How old would you guys guess? Rich, go first. How old is Dustin Hoffman? Oh, 74.
01:57:38
Speaker 4: Daigle?
01:57:48
Speaker 3: Under 71 rob no it's definitely over because he did uh the graduate and what like 68 or.
01:57:56
Speaker 4: 69 maybe even earlier so he's got to be.
01:58:01
Speaker 3: 83 if he's 80s he looks great for.
01:58:03
Speaker 6: 80s tj 79 i was going to say 81 originally, but everybody else's low guesses has me at 79.
01:58:10
Speaker 1: Rob's the winner. He's 89. He looks amazing for 80.
01:58:16
Speaker 4: He's 89?
01:58:17
Speaker 6: Wow.
01:58:17
Speaker 4: If you start thinking of his movie.
01:58:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, but dude, he looks like 67.
01:58:23
Speaker 6: You know who else is always way older than I realize? Because I just feel like maybe now he's starting to look over, but didn't look that old forever was William Shatner.
01:58:34
Speaker 4: Oh, he's like pushing a hundred.
01:58:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
01:58:37
Speaker 6: Which like, I remember seeing he was in his eighties like a decade ago and just being shocked.
01:58:42
Speaker 1: The graduate was 67, by the way. Yeah. It basically kind of working backwards that way.
01:58:48
Speaker 6: Um, I don't know if like maybe the plot line of the movie is, uh, if that character died or something, but I got to imagine he's in another movie this year too, because there's, Fokker in law coming out with, uh, like another meet the parents franchise movie. Uh, and so I don't know if he's in that one or not, but might be in two movies this year.
01:59:09
Speaker 1: It wasn't, he married like Barbara Streisand or something like that. And then the Fokker's movie. Yeah. Um, Oh, so, by the way, $ 100 was insulting, right, Rob? The lady offered $ 100 to unclog the toilet. Like, you're a rich house. And then she ramped it up, but still. I thought that was pretty insulting. And that happened a couple times in this movie. Remember, he shows up to the house, amazing house, immaculate house, and she's like, oh, yeah, these people are going to be making all this noise. You've got to come back later. And she's like, go away. He's like, here's $ 100. Go get some lunch. She low-balled him, right? Am I wrong in saying $ 100?
01:59:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, John-Claude Van Diel paid $ 100 a day to find his dad.
01:59:51
Speaker 1: If this is in 2026, not 1985 with inflation and all that.
01:59:57
Speaker 6: Dustin Hoffman felt the same way as you because the one time he was there that somebody was trying to pull the same hustle, he was like, once he finally understood what was going on, he could finally hear. He was like, we'll do it for $ 5, 000.
02:00:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, or did he say $ 500 or $ 5, 000? He said at least $ 500.
02:00:14
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's reasonable.
02:00:17
Speaker 1: The other question I had, by the way, this crew, Rob, what'd you think of this crew that he's rolling with?
02:00:24
Speaker 4: Yeah.
02:00:26
Speaker 2: There was too many guys. How many guys do you need?
02:00:28
Speaker 1: Like you just, okay, he opens the safe and there's like five guys just stand around. Like, why do we have so many guys? I didn't get that.
02:00:36
Speaker 4: Well, it's also the other big flaw in this movie is when he first encounters them opening the safe, right?
02:00:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:00:42
Speaker 4: Because their whole thing is, What they say to him is like, if something's just missing out the safe, they don't really mind too much. But they were trying to freaking drill the safe open. And then they were like, and if something goes missing from the safe, they just blame the housekeeper. It's like, the housekeeper ain't drilling into your safe, bro. Like, what were you guys doing? So, yeah, that whole logic.
02:01:04
Speaker 1: Was that their first time? You think they would have improved? Like, that was their first effort? That was their best effort? They just got to that point? Like, they were worse two months ago?
02:01:11
Speaker 6: And the only... And I mean, I guess I appreciate that they didn't spend too long of like exposition on this, explaining everything. Like the whole explanation was we run their security so we could do it. But at no point was there any conversations on, so we're looping the camera feed at this time. And nobody was ever doing anything technical.
02:01:37
Speaker 1: I think that was, yeah, I guess that was all. I was thinking the same thing. It's like these rich houses obviously have security. But I guess, yeah, they find ways to plot holes, I suppose.
02:01:48
Speaker 6: If you think about it, there's a lot that doesn't make sense. But if they would have added exposition to make it make sense, I don't think that makes it a better movie.
02:01:56
Speaker 4: No, there's a lot that doesn't make sense. That if they added exposition would make it even make less sense is the entire problem with this movie. Like, is it still worth a watch?
02:02:08
Speaker 1: Sure.
02:02:09
Speaker 4: But the issues that this movie has are not fixable based on the actions that they've had characters do in this.
02:02:15
Speaker 1: What was your issue with the third act? You said it falls apart. What specifically?
02:02:21
Speaker 4: Well, the thing that we've already brought it up. The thing I hate movies do is just like 8,000 coincidences have to happen for the movie to take place, right? So there's already that problem with him taking the watch from the maestro and needing that whole situation. And then when he goes to get the watch back, none of this makes sense of what happens from this point on because he goes to get the watch back. They attack him. He saw them murder somebody. He witnessed it. He saw the murder. This guy knows that he can finger them in a lineup and say, this is the person that did this. And they attack him anyways. They cut his ear. And then after all that, they're just like, I'm going to give you the watch. You can have the watch though.
02:03:11
Speaker 2: I thought we were brothers.
02:03:13
Speaker 6: And so he had to, he had to hook his brother up with a watch.
02:03:16
Speaker 2: Yeah.
02:03:16
Speaker 4: But like all, none of that makes sense to, to the plot. Like you're either just, if he comes to you and he's like, Hey, look, here's the situation. This guy knows this shit went down. There's a murder that just happened. We're part of the problem with that. We need to keep this guy quiet so that they don't start looking at other shit. That guy's just going to be like, Oh, take the watch back. because I still have it and, uh, fix the situation. Just, just we're doing stuff just to make a movie happen in the third act here. You know, that, that flies in a Van Damme movie, but if you're trying to give me a serious movie, that's when I have issues with it. You have to live within your universe, right? And Dagle, when you're watching wrestling, running the ropes is living within that universe, right? We've established those.
02:04:03
Speaker 1: Why would you bounce back?
02:04:04
Speaker 6: Right.
02:04:05
Speaker 4: But now they're doing stuff that breaks rules or breaks normalcy in the real world where we're supposed to be here. That shit always irks me.
02:04:18
Speaker 1: You talk about the coincidences with the girlfriend. She had her piano. What are the odds? Her piano needs a tuning. Dustin Hoffman gives her the number. They randomly meet to get donuts or whatever. It's New York City. There's a lot of places you're going to run into people. You probably don't run into the same people twice in the same day or two in a space. Those are all the things that make the story go We definitely gave.
02:04:47
Speaker 4: Our piano a tuning at some point in that movie. That's for sure.
02:04:51
Speaker 2: That was in the deleted scenes. When I said it, I was like, is anybody going.
02:04:57
Speaker 4: To take.
02:05:03
Speaker 2: That?
02:05:03
Speaker 1: Any notes that we have, Rob? Any notes you took that you got to unleash to us?
02:05:08
Speaker 4: I didn't write them this time because I was able to fine tune them in my brain.
02:05:15
Speaker 6: You remember them just like he remembered that crypto, those passwords.
02:05:19
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
02:05:21
Speaker 2: Could you do that?
02:05:22
Speaker 1: Is that also part of his skillset? Like, is that, that seems pretty hard to do.
02:05:26
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:05:27
Speaker 6: It turns out he also has a photographic memory.
02:05:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
02:05:29
Speaker 4: He just, you know, he's just, he's just a Lucy from that Scarlett Johansson movie. All of a sudden. No, we do have a comment in the chat saying that you may have unsorted storylines. Maybe there will be a tune or two. And I am here to tell you, sir, that it would just be tuner with a two in the front of the movie.
02:05:48
Speaker 6: No, I was thinking it would be tuners and the S was a two and it would have both him and his girlfriend as the blocks together.
02:05:57
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be tune fast tune furious.
02:06:01
Speaker 4: And then we can really resurrect Dustin Hoffman and get this movie going.
02:06:06
Speaker 1: 89 years old, man.
02:06:07
Speaker 2: Good for him.
02:06:09
Speaker 1: I love the last line in this movie, though. I love a good button on a movie. That was a pretty clever callback. You remember the last line? He did this whole performance. He finally played piano, which he talked about never doing it ever again, and he did it with her. I don't think he knew if she was still there. Did he know if she was still there? She spoke, but his back was turned to him.
02:06:31
Speaker 2: Was that obvious?
02:06:32
Speaker 4: It's a pretty open house. I'm pretty sure everyone in the house was hearing the piano play at that point.
02:06:37
Speaker 1: No, but she said something, and I don't know if he heard what she said. Yeah. Because he took his pieces out, right? He took his earpieces out for the first time, if I'm remembering correctly.
02:06:49
Speaker 4: Well, he didn't need them anymore because his ear is damaged, which also doesn't make sense because one ear is damaged, so he should still need it for the other one.
02:06:57
Speaker 2: Oh, is that like.
02:06:57
Speaker 6: Ear drums, plural, are ruptured.
02:07:02
Speaker 4: They did say both of them were?
02:07:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
02:07:05
Speaker 4: Okay. Well, they didn't make that explicit in the movie. They attacked one ear.
02:07:10
Speaker 1: Implying that he might... Is he deaf going forward?
02:07:13
Speaker 6: He's mostly deaf at this point, is what they portrayed. Okay, so I didn't... When they went to his point of view, he was almost entirely deaf.
02:07:21
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. I knew they were kind of messed up, but... Yeah, so I thought it was interesting that she kind of talked to him, and I don't think he heard a word she said. But he did close.
02:07:29
Speaker 2: It was like.
02:07:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
02:07:31
Speaker 6: From a sound mixing standpoint, it was like the same level of... input as when he had his plugs in and his noise canceling headphones on top. That was like the same level of sound that he could hear after his eardrums were burst.
02:07:46
Speaker 1: I just liked the last line. It was a good callback, you know, to when they first met E flat is out. That was pretty, I like, I like a good button. That's going to add a few points for me Yeah, I'm a sucker for a good button. Rich, anything else as far as Tudor?
02:08:04
Speaker 6: No, no.
02:08:05
Speaker 2: I wasn't mad I watched it. I agree with.
02:08:09
Speaker 3: Rich in that a month from now, I'll be scrolling and then I'll see it.
02:08:16
Speaker 1: And I'll forget that I even watched it. I was like, did I see that?
02:08:19
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
02:08:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the Real Brewers Rays World Series of movies.
02:08:24
Speaker 1: Of the pick six, yeah. Shall we play the Rotten Tomatoes game, boys?
02:08:31
Speaker 6: Yes.
02:08:33
Speaker 1: Rich, you're going first. Give me both the I Want the Critics. So I should tell you, 191 critics and 500 plus as far as the popcorn meter. So not a big number just yet. 191 critics, but only 500 as far as the audience. What is the scores?
02:08:51
Speaker 2: I can already promise you the way TJ pitched this movie. This movie is way too high on this. It's going to be way low. It's going to be a lower score on IMDb to this. Like this is going to be something like in the 80s, right? Like it's going to be something crazy that goes down over time. But I'll say 88 critics because it's like definitely so like the thumbs up roll, right? Like it's yeah, it's it's fine. So I'll say 88 critics and 85 audience.
02:09:18
Speaker 1: Diggle? Wow.
02:09:21
Speaker 2: Those are big numbers.
02:09:22
Speaker 3: Has me rethinking. I'll go up a little bit from what I've initially thought. So I'll go 75 critics, 73 audience.
02:09:31
Speaker 6: Rob?
02:09:34
Speaker 4: I'm going to join the 80-80 club right now.
02:09:36
Speaker 3: 80-80.
02:09:36
Speaker 2: Yep.
02:09:36
Speaker 3: TJ?
02:09:37
Speaker 1: I think.
02:09:43
Speaker 6: To Rich's point, I think for Rotten Tomatoes, this will be high because I just can't imagine there being many people that are just straight up, no, I disliked this movie. I think it's a movie with a lot of flaws, but overall, it's fun. It's a good movie. And so I'll go 82 critics, 85. No, 85 critics, 82 audience. It is the exact same number.
02:10:03
Speaker 1: Ninety-four.
02:10:10
Speaker 6: Oh, wow.
02:10:13
Speaker 2: And this is what's happened to movies now. I kind of get it, though. In a nutshell, right? Because this movie's fine.
02:10:19
Speaker 1: It's not a thumbs down. We all agree.
02:10:22
Speaker 6: That's the thing, though, is it's like, I can't imagine very many people disliking it. It's not a 9.4 out of 10, but I get that 94% of people would think it's at least a 5 out of 10.
02:10:35
Speaker 4: No, I'm with Rich. Is it a bad movie? No, but just put your thought process together for a little bit it'd be like there's too much wrong with this movie to have this many thumbs like now i now my score has changed because now we need to we need to lower.
02:10:49
Speaker 2: This i mean i imagine this will come down over time but this feels like one of those movies the way tj when he's pitching it like the word of mouth was like so it's like you got to see this movie you got to see this movie and like that's kind of like driving it now but over time i think that will come down i don't think this will hold that 94s.
02:11:05
Speaker 6: Yeah and i don't think it's like a necessarily i assume it's not but it was like hey where did this movie come from kind of kind of movie.
02:11:13
Speaker 2: I assume when we move over it's it's going to be a significant not as significantly but it's not going to be like in the eights.
02:11:18
Speaker 1: Did we halt your rant rich i want to hear what's wrong with movies do you have anything else.
02:11:23
Speaker 2: Well this is just like like this is like people are like this is what movies are because it's just not like some ip and they're like oh so therefore it's got to be intellectual But like Rob said, when you watch this movie, you're like, oh, it's not intellectual. Like they got some good core ideas and stuff, but they're like, they can't write a script around it. And this is like, this is what passes though, just because it's not an IP. They're like, therefore it must be cinema.
02:11:45
Speaker 1: I do instinctually want to support the movie. That's not, I know.
02:11:48
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it for me. And it's not, I feel like a lot of critics are like that too. They're like, this is the kind of movie we need to succeed. Like we need more, we need more things.
02:11:57
Speaker 4: That aren't IP. It's also not a movie that's going to piss anybody off.
02:12:00
Speaker 1: It isn't.
02:12:01
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
02:12:01
Speaker 6: Like, it doesn't take any stance. It's not going to have anybody review bombing it. It's just like a great Friday night at home popcorn movie.
02:12:10
Speaker 2: Also, Matsuka from Dexter was in this.
02:12:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was looking at it like, that's who it was. Why is he playing this role?
02:12:19
Speaker 2: Good to see him. Good to see him doing work.
02:12:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to spoil it. Have you guys watched the Resurrection series of Dexter? Yeah, it's coming back, right? Like in a week.
02:12:30
Speaker 3: It's coming back soon. Are they going to release them all at once?
02:12:33
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
02:12:34
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's typically like they might start with a couple and then give you one a week. Yeah.
02:12:39
Speaker 2: The last season was enjoyable.
02:12:41
Speaker 6: Great.
02:12:42
Speaker 2: Very good.
02:12:42
Speaker 1: A lot of fun. Actually, instead of this movie, go watch Dexter, the most recent season.
02:12:47
Speaker 2: Matsuka is also in that. He pops up with that. Yeah, that's why I don't want.
02:12:51
Speaker 1: To spoil that.
02:12:53
Speaker 6: If you want to see something really exciting, you look at the people on my season-long NBA fantasy team, and you'll see the two highest scores of the night are Ty Jerome and Anthony Edwards, and both of them are on my team.
02:13:07
Speaker 4: Awesome. Thank you for that.
02:13:11
Speaker 2: Remember, Dean.
02:13:13
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask Dean if he had any Anthony Edwards tonight, and then I saw Ty Jerome line and was dumbfounded that he had a 40-piece tonight, so I just had to bring it up.
02:13:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did take a peek at the score, but that is wild. And shout out to your Raptors, TJ. They won by like 50 against Chicago. The game's not over just yet. And my heat lost. Giannis didn't quite happen again. Nobody cares. We got to finish as far as our movie.
02:13:37
Speaker 6: The people love to hear this group hanging out. They don't care what we talk about. Except for a lot of people that do and comment.
02:13:46
Speaker 1: They don't like when we give life advice.
02:13:50
Speaker 4: They love when we give life advice. Dean, we're starting a new segment on that.
02:13:55
Speaker 6: It's a loud minority.
02:13:57
Speaker 1: TJ, IMDB?
02:14:02
Speaker 6: I will say 7.3.
02:14:03
Speaker 3: Rob?
02:14:05
Speaker 6: Shook by the Rotten.
02:14:08
Speaker 1: Tomatoes score.
02:14:13
Speaker 2: This will be lower.
02:14:15
Speaker 4: Well, it'll be lower, but is it going to be to the level? Because this is... 37,000 people.
02:14:19
Speaker 2: 37,000 scores. This should be.
02:14:20
Speaker 1: You know what? I'm going to say what it should be on IMDb, which is a 6-4.
02:14:23
Speaker 4: Just an idea. I think we should have Letterboxd to this game.
02:14:38
Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
02:14:40
Speaker 4: We were trying to make this show longer.
02:14:41
Speaker 1: How do we make this show longer?
02:14:44
Speaker 2: You're already reading us your day one DFS.
02:14:47
Speaker 6: We've got a season-long fantasy section for sports outside of football, and then let's have Letterboxd to the game. Shutting it for FaceTime, you know? Gotta taste a bit when Dean's power went out.
02:14:59
Speaker 2: We slandered Steven Vogt in this. We're forgetting all of it. Just let it all out here.
02:15:03
Speaker 1: You got some shrapnel.
02:15:06
Speaker 2: Daigle, IMDb?
02:15:08
Speaker 3: I'll stick in the same range as I did with Rotten Tomatoes, so 7-1.
02:15:11
Speaker 1: So I've heard a 7-1. I've heard a 7-3.
02:15:15
Speaker 2: What was yours, Rob?
02:15:16
Speaker 6: 6-4.
02:15:18
Speaker 1: And close it out.
02:15:19
Speaker 2: There, Rich. I will say 6.8.
02:15:24
Speaker 1: You just had to middle it. All you had to do was middle it. 7-2. 7-2 for Tuner on IMDB. We got to give it a score ourselves. TJ, do you want to give us... superhero marvel.
02:15:38
Speaker 6: Character yeah i did enjoy it quite a bit i gave it four stars on letterbox now that i think of it more and we break it down i would be more of like a three and a half star uh if this was something i was actually reviewing for my website it would probably be a three and a half out of five but in terms of a character i thought like the you know the low-hanging fruit could have just been like oh he's he's daredevil because he's got the enhanced hearing but Uh, I, the one that actually just came to my mind first, it is for totally different reasons than it usually is for me. It's because it's not having to anything to do with the actual character, but there was a show that came out. I actually remember it was at the very beginning of 2026 or the end of 2025, uh, that Marvel dropped on Disney plus called wonder man. And I had no expectations for it. It was a show I had heard the least about of all their shows. And then I watched it and went, Oh, wow, that was, that was actually a lot of fun. That was actually really good. And it kind of came out of came out of complete nowhere. And so I'm going to I'm going to call this a Wonder Man because I hadn't heard of it until it was out. And then just people kept bringing it up to me and I'm happy I gave it a watch.
02:16:47
Speaker 1: Wonder Man starring is Ben Kingsley Wonder Man?
02:16:52
Speaker 6: No, Ben Kingsley is... the same character he had been in Marvel.
02:16:58
Speaker 4: We don't have time to go over that backstory. Yeah, exactly.
02:17:03
Speaker 6: That's literally a 10-minute story of who Ben Kingsley is. But the star of it is Yahya Abdul-Mateen. He got nominated for an Emmy.
02:17:10
Speaker 1: All right. Joey Pants in there as well?
02:17:12
Speaker 2: Josh Gad?
02:17:13
Speaker 6: Joey Pants plays himself. Josh Gad plays himself.
02:17:16
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
02:17:17
Speaker 2: Joey Pants as Joey Pants?
02:17:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a quote-unquote superhero show that there's not much superheroing in. but it's all set in Hollywood. It's about a struggling actor who just happens to have superpowers.
02:17:35
Speaker 1: Rob, one through five?
02:17:38
Speaker 4: The lead actor was good. All the acting was pretty good. It was nice to see them dig up Dustin Hoffman. It was nice to see them dig up Gene Reno. I hadn't seen him in a while either.
02:17:47
Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
02:17:50
Speaker 4: But it's kind of fine.
02:17:52
Speaker 2: 2.9.
02:17:53
Speaker 4: It's better than average, but just above. And it's a fine watch, but I don't need to see it again. And I don't think I would recommend it to anybody, really. So it's a 2.9.
02:18:08
Speaker 2: You go Jean?
02:18:08
Speaker 1: I thought it was Jean. Is it not Jean Renaud?
02:18:10
Speaker 4: It might be Jean. It's Jean in Boston.
02:18:13
Speaker 1: In Canada, TJ, is it Jean or Jean? For who?
02:18:18
Speaker 6: I missed.
02:18:20
Speaker 2: That.
02:18:21
Speaker 1: Well, Jean Renaud or Jean Renaud.
02:18:22
Speaker 2: Your choice.
02:18:24
Speaker 6: I think it would be, I don't know.
02:18:26
Speaker 1: Whatever you like best. I wanted you to show off your French. I thought this was your vote. Jean.
02:18:31
Speaker 2: Jean.
02:18:32
Speaker 1: Oui, oui. By the way, I just gave it a Google as far as Dustin Hoffman. I don't think he's in the upcoming Hawkers vehicle. Yeah, it doesn't look like he's in it. Upcoming Tower Stories, it says, post-production. Something called The Revisionist, I guess it's coming out, or Diamond. But I don't see anything.
02:18:52
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
02:18:53
Speaker 1: Maybe he died in the... I've not been keeping up with the Fockers, I've got to be honest.
02:18:57
Speaker 6: I haven't either.
02:18:58
Speaker 2: I don't know how many were on here.
02:19:02
Speaker 6: Way more than you think.
02:19:04
Speaker 3: I thought it's been like a hiatus.
02:19:07
Speaker 2: Is there more than two?
02:19:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely more than two.
02:19:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:19:12
Speaker 2: I didn't know that either. I remember two of them.
02:19:14
Speaker 1: Meet the parents.
02:19:17
Speaker 6: Yeah.
02:19:18
Speaker 4: I think it's one of the four.
02:19:19
Speaker 2: Wait, what is it called?
02:19:21
Speaker 1: I think this is the four. Look who's talking now.
02:19:25
Speaker 2: It should be. That's what it should be called. Yeah. I remember two.
02:19:31
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the fourth.
02:19:33
Speaker 2: This is the fourth.
02:19:34
Speaker 6: Meet the Parents, Meet the Fockers, Little Fockers, Fockers and Law.
02:19:38
Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen Little Fockers.
02:19:40
Speaker 6: I don't either. I saw Meet the Fockers.
02:19:43
Speaker 2: Is that a VHS release?
02:19:47
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone asked for a fourth one. I think it's coming out Thanksgiving, so it's probably going to clean up, I would imagine.
02:19:54
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
02:19:54
Speaker 3: That is a good holiday movie.
02:19:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
02:19:57
Speaker 3: Like I saw the AI movie with Andrew Garfield. I believe it's releasing on Christmas, and it's like that's.
02:20:03
Speaker 2: A horrible idea. Oh, I'm so excited for that movie. It's like the worst.
02:20:05
Speaker 3: Time to release that kind of depressing movie.
02:20:08
Speaker 6: I'm so excited for that movie.
02:20:10
Speaker 1: Diego, can I have a wrestler, please?
02:20:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went down the rabbit hole of musicians.
02:20:19
Speaker 3: But the thing is that they're all too good to be labeled this movie. Like it's offensive to Jeff Jarrett, Jimmy Hart, Honky Tonk Man.
02:20:29
Speaker 1: They can't be this movie.
02:20:30
Speaker 3: So you got to go back to WCW that only Rob remembers. And there was a tenant. There was a conductor wrestler called the Maestro. And I think that fits that one because just like this movie, the Maestro is forgettable.
02:20:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, so was Van Hammer. So that's where I thought you might be going as well. But you missed.
02:20:49
Speaker 1: The low-hanging fruit. What was the low-hanging fruit?
02:20:53
Speaker 4: I mean, Dustin Hoffman was Harry Horowitz.
02:20:56
Speaker 1: Barry Horowitz?
02:20:58
Speaker 4: Barry Horowitz.
02:21:00
Speaker 2: That is a good one. He's the most famous jobber of all time, right?
02:21:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
02:21:05
Speaker 1: I don't know who's second, but yeah, I think he's a Yeah. They gave him a win every once in a while, maybe, but essentially he lost.
02:21:12
Speaker 2: He's in the ring.
02:21:13
Speaker 1: He's going to lose. And if he wins, he pats himself on the back every once in a while.
02:21:16
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like Joel Damon said, someone's got to be the 70th best golfer.
02:21:20
Speaker 4: In the world.
02:21:23
Speaker 2: There are worse things. A great way to, a great way to look at life.
02:21:26
Speaker 6: The 70th best golfer in the world. That's a great life.
02:21:30
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
02:21:30
Speaker 6: You're making like a million or two a year. Nobody knows your face. Nobody's, riding anything. Nobody's expecting anything of you, but you're just going to play golf for a really good living.
02:21:43
Speaker 1: It's a great gig.
02:21:45
Speaker 6: Backup QB. Another one.
02:21:49
Speaker 1: Just don't let the starter get hurt. Bajan found that out.
02:21:54
Speaker 6: Chase Daniel, man. Chase Daniel lived just like a perfect football career. Oh, yeah.
02:21:59
Speaker 1: Incredible.
02:22:01
Speaker 2: Speaking of, I need a quarterback.
02:22:02
Speaker 1: Who was the other guy? Flynn? Flynn?
02:22:04
Speaker 4: Well, Flynn was perfect.
02:22:05
Speaker 1: No, he was exposed because he got exposed. Yeah.
02:22:10
Speaker 4: No, he wasn't exposed. He got paid because he threw six touchdowns week 17 when no one was playing. Then he went to Seattle and he got paid a ton of money and didn't have to play because they drafted Russell Wilson. He had a perfect life.
02:22:21
Speaker 1: They did. They did make it an open competition. I think they were real about that.
02:22:24
Speaker 3: Just Russell Wilson outplayed him in the preseason.
02:22:26
Speaker 2: Yeah.
02:22:27
Speaker 6: Yeah. Matt Flynn had a perfect career.
02:22:31
Speaker 2: Speaking of quarterbacks, is it Matt Flynn by chance?
02:22:34
Speaker 1: Do you want to make a last-second pivot here, Rebar?
02:22:36
Speaker 2: What do you have as far as agreed? No, no. I think I just echo Rob. It's fine. Ultimately, nothing special, but I wasn't mad at it. So I'm going to give this an Elvis Gerbach.
02:22:51
Speaker 1: 49ers chiefs legend, Elvis Gerbach.
02:22:53
Speaker 2: You don't get a lot of three-consonant starting names, so.
02:23:05
Speaker 1: Elvis, you know, his career, I thought it was longer, 24 to 31. I guess he's only around for seven seasons. Kansas City for four seasons, San Francisco the first three, and he finished in Baltimore.
02:23:17
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
02:23:18
Speaker 1: His season in Baltimore?
02:23:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, the season in Baltimore. Well, he was a backup, made a couple starts. I think it was for Steve Young when Steve Young got hurt, and then he got paid by the Chiefs because that was the thing. Every 49ers backup got paid. Uh, ultimately I went to Kansas city somehow too. Yeah.
02:23:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
02:23:38
Speaker 6: Yeah.
02:23:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. The, the end, end run to Baltimore. He might've made a pro bowl or two.
02:23:42
Speaker 4: Maybe. I don't know. Before everyone made the pro bowl.
02:23:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, in 2000, he wasn't bad though. Like he was fine. He was fine.
02:23:52
Speaker 1: 28 touchdowns in the year 2000. And he had 22 in the year 99, but, uh, yeah, those are his biggest seasons.
02:23:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
02:24:00
Speaker 1: He, Did he get injured or something? He just went away after his 2001 season.
02:24:05
Speaker 4: He was just a bright burning star that burned out quick. That's all, Dean. Sometimes that happens.
02:24:11
Speaker 1: Is he alive? I think he's still with us. I'm not sure. I like this movie more than all you guys. Maybe TJ liked it just as much as I did. I really enjoyed it. I'll give it a 71. 71. out of a hundred. I really, I really enjoyed it. I liked it. So, uh, okay. We need TJ to assign us a new movie for next week. Uh, the, the peanut gallery is clamoring for some more Jean-Claude Van Damme or Steven Seagal or, so that's just a lot. I, whatever.
02:24:47
Speaker 2: I had someone come into my Sunday chat and talk about us reviewing hard target.
02:24:52
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
02:24:53
Speaker 6: That's awesome. I, I, uh, I know you guys want some more TV specials. I know some people in the chat wanted a Halloween pick this week. And I say, well, then somebody else should have won. But I assume I can't get you guys to the theater to watch Clayface this weekend.
02:25:19
Speaker 1: No.
02:25:21
Speaker 4: Absolutely not this weekend.
02:25:23
Speaker 6: Rob, the Hometown Ghost Stories guy, you're busy on Halloween weekend, Sean?
02:25:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.
02:25:29
Speaker 6: But since I can't get you guys to watch Clayface in the theaters, earlier in the year, I wanted to pick a movie that was only on video on demand. And then you guys said, look, it's on streaming week seven. So win in week six and you can pick this movie.
02:25:46
Speaker 2: Wow, you did it.
02:25:47
Speaker 6: And so I won in week six. And so I am picking The Invite. Oh, good.
02:25:51
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to see this.
02:25:52
Speaker 4: Cause I've already watched this.
02:25:56
Speaker 1: I think it's on max in America. I think it's an HBO max. Maybe this Saturday it might kick in, but I know it's coming soon.
02:26:03
Speaker 6: I thought it was like, so it was on like our prime slash paramount here already. And so that's why I thought maybe it was on paramount for you guys, but yeah, it's streaming somewhere now.
02:26:14
Speaker 2: Dean will tell us.
02:26:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:26:16
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a G to direct us.
02:26:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:26:19
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's a, like maybe like on Friday or Saturday, it kicks in. Uh, yeah.
02:26:23
Speaker 2: So HBO max October 23rd.
02:26:26
Speaker 1: So there you go. Perfect.
02:26:27
Speaker 4: There you go.
02:26:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
02:26:28
Speaker 1: Good. Uh, all right. So we're going to be watching the invites next week.
02:26:34
Speaker 2: And, uh, it worked out.
02:26:36
Speaker 6: It's streaming in Canada before the States.
02:26:39
Speaker 2: So you were always destined to win this week. Yeah.
02:26:42
Speaker 1: It was streaming, which you had to pay for it in America. Yeah. So yeah, I guess you, you were on a service.
02:26:46
Speaker 2: Oh, this is the movie that we went to rent. Yes.
02:26:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. We were thinking about it with, uh, Seth Rogen's in it, Olivia Wilde, she directed as well, Penelope Cruz and Edward Norton.
02:26:57
Speaker 3: This is the one that was like $ 8 or something to rent, right?
02:27:01
Speaker 6: Yeah. I'm very interested in this because I haven't actually talked to any personally friends who have seen it or anything, but I know just from listening to a lot of podcasts and stuff that this is expected to be a best picture nom before The Odyssey came out is what many people were calling their number one movie of the year, and so I'm fascinated by it. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't had any people close to me vouch for it, but I know it's a critical Darwin.
02:27:34
Speaker 1: TJ, go ahead, Rob.
02:27:37
Speaker 2: All I know is that I can't wait.
02:27:39
Speaker 3: To see that little quad box at the oscars of directors and for nathan fielder to win it over christopher nolan that's what i cannot wait for.
02:27:49
Speaker 1: He didn't direct it though fielder right he wasn't i think he had a directing partner did he direct to.
02:27:53
Speaker 6: It was oppenheim who directed it oh yeah oppenheim.
02:27:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
02:27:58
Speaker 1: Oh, man. Nathan Fielder at the Oscars will be amazing.
02:28:01
Speaker 2: I mean, he's going to be there.
02:28:03
Speaker 3: He's definitely going to be there.
02:28:06
Speaker 6: It's probably going to be the first documentary ever nominated for Best Picture.
02:28:12
Speaker 2: Hoop Dreams? Was Hoop Dreams nominated?
02:28:15
Speaker 6: No documentary has ever been nominated for Best Picture.
02:28:16
Speaker 3: Never!
02:28:18
Speaker 1: Cause we got to remember, like they've been expanding it more.
02:28:21
Speaker 3: Like they, they try to include.
02:28:22
Speaker 2: It used to.
02:28:23
Speaker 6: Be six was four before that.
02:28:26
Speaker 1: Yeah.
02:28:26
Speaker 3: So it's just a documentary is going to join naturally. And this is going to be the first one.
02:28:30
Speaker 6: Wow.
02:28:31
Speaker 2: I hope it is.
02:28:32
Speaker 1: If any, if it happens, I haven't seen it yet, but knowing his previous work. Yeah. I mean, yeah.
02:28:38
Speaker 6: I have never watched Nathan for you. And I feel like I've seen all of it since this movie came out, just because. That's all my Twitter feed has been is just like every single skit. And because I've never seen it before, I'm watching them. And so I just continuously get fed with it.
02:28:52
Speaker 2: And I feel like I've.
02:28:53
Speaker 6: Seen it all now.
02:28:54
Speaker 1: What's your favorite Nathan for you bit that you've seen over the past couple of days? Is this one kind of stand out for you?
02:29:03
Speaker 6: Probably the lawyer one where it's like the lawyer signed something and then he's trying to reach it back for me. And he's like, I'm going to put it in my pocket. That one was probably, probably number one. But like, it is a super interesting case, too, because like it's I think many like from like if you are looking at this stuff on Polymarket or if you're like listening to podcasts that cover that stuff. I think a lot of people are predicting it right now to be nominated for Best Picture and not Best Documentary. And so it'll be the first documentary ever nominated for best picture, but also not nominated for best documentary.
02:29:37
Speaker 1: If that happens, you have to submit, like you got to pick one, you got to pick a lane or you can be nominated.
02:29:41
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
02:29:42
Speaker 6: They'll submit both. But I just think like, because it's like, there's 10, there's 10, but also the documentary people typically don't.
02:29:53
Speaker 2: Get into like celebrity ones.
02:29:55
Speaker 6: They typically don't.
02:29:56
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
02:29:57
Speaker 6: They typically don't go to like celebrity shows. nominations often for those and it's like those type of people like documentary people I think will view it a little bit differently just because of the Nathan Fielder of it all he's incredibly involved and without giving up like any twists of the movie if you haven't heard of it yet there's other people involved too so it's like it's parts of it are like technically not documentary so it's like it'll be an interesting to follow.
02:30:26
Speaker 3: That The there are many that stand out, but the one that crossed my timeline that I completely forgot about that I loved so much was when a gas station was having issues competing with the surrounding gas station. So Nathan Fielder said, okay, it's going to be, you're going to advertise 50% off gas. And then like in small writing with a rebate, everyone came up, lines were around the corner and getting.
02:30:55
Speaker 1: 50% off gas. They get a rebate.
02:30:57
Speaker 3: What they didn't realize is to submit the rebate, you have to put it in a box on top of a mountain an hour away.
02:31:06
Speaker 1: And they had a.
02:31:07
Speaker 3: Shuttle that provided you to the bottom of the mountain. But you still had to climb the mountain yourself. And he said a couple of people actually did it. For the most part, though, everyone gave up.
02:31:16
Speaker 2: They stayed overnight.
02:31:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were camping out overnight. It was spectacular.
02:31:20
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
02:31:20
Speaker 1: The one I saw.
02:31:24
Speaker 6: The one I saw today too, that I enjoyed that wasn't necessarily like made me laugh out loud, but I was just thinking like, this is actually genius was the, the smokers bar, turning it into a live theater production. So people can smoke in the bar. And the fact that he actually had the two ladies being like, it was kind of nothing, but it was genius. Who just like watched it as a theater experience.
02:31:46
Speaker 3: California law that you can't smoke in a bar. But there's one byline that says unless it's for theatrical reasons or theatrical performance. So he put two chairs in the corner, sold tickets to that chair, and thus he said anyone that comes to the bar, you just call them actors. That way you can smoke in that bar and you're part of the production because there are people watching and ordering drinks.
02:32:12
Speaker 1: Again, it's all the same thing.
02:32:13
Speaker 2: It's all brilliant.
02:32:14
Speaker 1: It's all bullshit, but it's all brilliant. That episode was like pure art that that was like the best like art episode. But my favorite is probably the Best Buy one where like Best Buy says they'll match any offer, any TV offer. And then he has this competing store, like a small, you know, that they say like a dollar for like this amazing TV and they put out all these flyers and like he's got a team of people going to Best Buy and. And at the same time, people are coming to the store that advertised for a dollar. So now what he doesn't tell you is you have to dress to the nines. You have to dress in a suit and tie. And the best TVs, the dollar TVs, are hidden in a small door you've got to crawl through, and you've got to crawl past a crocodile or an alligator. It's just incredible stuff. I mean, if you haven't seen– I don't know if you've all seen it before, but– they've been free I'm happy everybody's discovering it but I'm also like hey I discovered this band before you even heard of them I've been on Nathan for years whatever it.
02:33:15
Speaker 6: Is but uh well it's it's interesting because I've kind of always avoided him just because it's been described to me as like I've always had a tough time with like cringe humor yeah just like it's so awkward it's uncomfortable and so I never really tune into any of this stuff but all the clips that have come up just don't actually give me that anxiety feeling that a lot of like say the early office or something like.
02:33:36
Speaker 4: That made me feel uh, not Scott's tots, exactly.
02:33:40
Speaker 6: Like as much as I love the office, I can't watch that episode. If I ever do a rewatch, I got to go past it. Cause it's like, it genuinely brings me pain. Uh, I haven't had that with any of the field or stuff.
02:33:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a popular show in Canada or if it's even still on, he's a fellow Canadian TJ, but he was on something called 22 minutes many, many years ago. I think that's kind of where you got to start. Is that still a thing? I have no idea, but.
02:34:04
Speaker 6: You can find this hour is 22 minutes. Yeah. I, uh, I don't think so.
02:34:09
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. I have no, I never heard of it until just realizing he was on that. You can see how young he is.
02:34:14
Speaker 2: That's even.
02:34:14
Speaker 6: Yeah. It's basically like a, I don't know if it would premiere at the same time, but it was like a comedic spoof of 60 minutes. Whereas this hour has 22 minutes because of.
02:34:25
Speaker 4: It did not premiere at the same time. I'll throw that up.
02:34:28
Speaker 2: I don't know.
02:34:29
Speaker 6: Like I just, I remember it was just like, that was a thing that would come on at nighttime here.
02:34:33
Speaker 4: We were, we were seeing 60 minutes commercials for football games when we were No.
02:34:40
Speaker 6: I don't mean the same year. I mean time slot on TV and television.
02:34:44
Speaker 2: All right, boys. We said it all.
02:34:47
Speaker 1: We said a lot. Next week, we're talking about the invite. Next week, we're going to be celebrating some victories in theory. But before we step aside and get out of here, for those that are still with us, for the one person who doesn't know, Rich, where can they find you?
02:35:02
Speaker 2: I am over at chapter analysis, writing up all the games. If we didn't talk about someone that you wanted to get an opinion on, I have written words about them. So go check that out. And then, you know, every, every Wednesday night with the guys here, they.
02:35:14
Speaker 1: Go establish the run.com.
02:35:17
Speaker 3: As I mentioned earlier, the free rest of season one 50 show out right now on the podcast.
02:35:23
Speaker 4: Feed, Rob, you can catch me at hometown ghost stories. go watch our investigation video called Overnight at the Priest Cottage. We went to Leeds, England and investigated this location that is a priest cottage, but also for our World War II buffs, doubled as a bunker during the Blitz of Leeds and when it was bombed. So we got some really cool stuff there. And if you don't like that, it's still like a cool historic location.
02:35:59
Speaker 6: To take a look at TJ, you know, rich, I don't know if this is the place or time to do it, but I do have an official complaint. I'd like the lodge because there was a player I wanted your take on. And I went to the article and see if I could get it. And there was no Jeremy McNichols take. So I'm going to need you to start including third string running backs in all of your work for a showdown degenerates. Yeah.
02:36:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
02:36:24
Speaker 2: I think I put him at, he would play. but he will play he will wear a uniform tonight.
02:36:31
Speaker 6: Played a lot of them at 200 got stopped on the goal line i was pissed but you can find me uh here at rotor grinders uh for lots of different stuff hosting on the weekends producing throughout the week and then uh agents of fandom just like a super super exciting time for interviews i got a lot lined up for the next couple uh few weeks for tv shows like vision quest avatar seven havens ahsoka and percy jackson so A lot of big, fun interviews coming. I talked to Paul Bettany, James Spader recently. More coming, so check out Agents of Fandom.
02:37:03
Speaker 2: Do appreciate y'all listening.
02:37:04
Speaker 1: Hit that like button, subscribe, turn on notifications if you guys are hanging out on the YouTube still. That was Rich Rebar. That was John Daigle, Rob Coakley, TJ Zwarich. I was Dean Chabelson. Go win something. Come back for week eight. We're out of here.
02:37:31
Speaker 3: Thank you.