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Welcome to Rooted and Wild.
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Have you ever wondered why some places feel like home the moment you arrive, while others feel heavy, draining, or strangely misaligned?
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Astrocartography, the astrology of place, maps your personal energy across the globe and reveals where you thrive, where you struggle, and where your destiny unfolds with the most ease.
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In this episode, we explore the foundations of astrocartography with someone who has helped thousands of people understand exactly where on earth they are meant to be.
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Leslie McGurk brings more than 35 years of astrological mastery to her work as an internationally acclaimed astrologer, teacher, and intuitive guide.
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With her rare combination of psychic gifts and deep technical training, she helps people navigate the invisible forces shaping their lives.
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Her compassionate and creative approach has made astrology accessible to audiences of all ages and backgrounds, and her accuracy in both emotional and medical insight is recognized by experts and institutions worldwide.
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Leslie is the author of The Power of Mercury, If Rocks Could Sing, and over 20 celebrated children's books.
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Her TED Talk, The Importance of Being Wrong, continues to inspire global audiences, and since 2000, she has led thousands of readings, workshops, and international offerings.
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Her podcast with Karen Harvey touched listeners around the world and continues to influence new students of astrology.
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Today, Leslie guides us through the essential principles of astrocartography and how understanding your planetary lines can truly change your life.
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Leslie, welcome back to Rooted and Wild.
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Excited to be back to talk about one of my favorite topics, astrocartography.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'm so excited because I, you know, this is something I will be completely transparent with you.
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I only recently, I want to say like a month ago, even heard about this.
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I had not heard about this because I had someone say to me, I can't live in that area.
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It's just not the great place for me.
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That state or that region is not great for me based on my astrology chart.
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I'm like, what?
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Like, what is that?
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And as someone who has literally lived across around the world, you know, I lived, I've lived on in Egypt, I lived in Hawaii, I lived in Panama, I lived in Mexico, I lived in numerous states in the US and Canada.
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You know, I was like, what?
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You know, so I find that fascinating.
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So I'm really excited to hear uh from you.
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So you've never had someone look at your astro cartography chart?
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I have never.
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So I'm we definitely we definitely have to do that at some point.
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Okay, so based here's how it works.
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So your astrology chart, your birth chart, is like your owner's manual, and that is a navigational tool, and it tells you the best way to operate your life.
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An astro cartography map is something that was created by an astrologer named Jim Lewis.
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And what he did is he took the the birth chart and centered it on a map where where you were born is the the first part of your chart.
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And so everything is laid out according to your birth time.
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So if you do not have your birth time, you cannot have an astrocartography map.
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Okay, that's the first thing people need to know.
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So, how this works is and and I got my map when I was 19.
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The astrologer who saved my life when I was 19, she said, you need to buy one of these maps because you're going to be traveling all over the world eventually.
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When I was 19, I wasn't thinking about where I was going.
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So I got this map and I started studying it.
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And I will tell you that it is profoundly accurate.
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I was very famous in Japan as a designer.
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I had been trying to get my children's picture books published.
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I had told you in an earlier episode we did about getting rejected for many years.
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So I took the little animals from my children's books and put them on t-shirts.
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And I was selling them out of the back of my car, basically living on the poverty level in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
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And one of my friends said, You should write to Glamour magazine and tell them about your environmental t-shirt line that you're doing.
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So I did.
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Again, they came to me.
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I didn't go looking for it.
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And they um did this article about me in Glamour magazine.
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And my phone rang off the hook.
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Back then, this was like in the 1980s.
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It was life-changing for me.
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And I get a phone call from Takashimaya, the Neiman Marcus of Japan, and they've literally said, We want to make you famous in Japan.
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And all of a sudden, I am plucked from obscurity and flown first class to Tokyo and met with these people who said, We have an 11-year plan.
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We're going to make you famous first, and then we're going to start creating products.
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And we're going to promote you as this environmental designer.
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Because I used to work with Earthwatch and I would volunteer to help scientists on research projects around the world.
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So I worked with dolphins in Hawaii and bats in Spain and all these amazing scientists and environmental uh wizards out there.
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And then what happened is they started to create in department stores entire sections called the world of Leslie McCormick.
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Okay.
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This is from somebody who is completely untrained in art.
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I was just doing this because I couldn't get my children's book sold.
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Eventually, my first children's book was sold in to a Japanese publisher, and then eventually England and then the United States.
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So the point of this story is that going right through Tokyo is Jupiter on the midheaven, which is astrological language, was which is basically saying this is where you go to become famous.
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So interesting.
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Oh, like crazy.
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All right.
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That that and it just happened.
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I didn't go looking for it.
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And as a single woman working in Japan, it's unheard of that that I would be discovered and that I'm working there because that's my place to go for fame and fortune, which is what happened.
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Okay.
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So then I started traveling more all over the world.
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And London and Europe is great for writing.
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So that's where, and that's Mercury, which is communication.
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So my next round of children's books were all published by McMillan in the UK.
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So that whole area is great for Leslie.
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All right.
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Then I decided to not live my life based on a map, and I decided to go to Bali on a retreat with some women who are part of like the artist's way kind of thing.
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And also it was very metaphysical group as well.
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So I looked at my astro cartography map and I said, I really want to go to Bali, and I don't care if this is a place that looks physically dangerous for me.
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I'm going to Bali.
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So I went, and when I was there, I went to a guy who did acupressure that my friend had suggested I go to.
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And at the end of the session, he sat me up and I'm in the middle of a race patty.
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And the guy says, Can I do her neck?
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And he basically took my head and his hands and snapped my neck to the left and the right so hard that he tore every ligament and tendon in my neck.
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And I I told the story earlier when we were talking that it was such a bad injury.
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I basically lost seven years of my life to incredible pain in my neck and not being able to use my arms.
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I couldn't type.
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I couldn't even use my fingers.
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So I was like, oh my God, this map is so accurate.
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And I started, I've traveled all over the world.
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I've been to South America, which is fine.
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And I've tested this map out.
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I've been to Australia, New Zealand, I've been all over the United States, I've been to most of Europe.
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The one place I haven't gone to, and I'm not keen on going there, is Africa because I have really difficult lines and I really want to go to Africa, but I don't want to go to Africa because I have seen how accurate these maps are.
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So I have to tell you a really fun story about love and romance.
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I I was teaching at Rancho La Puerta in Mexico, which I've been teaching there for 25 years.
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It's a destination spa that's very holistic and just it's like my second home.
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I I love it there.
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And I teach astrology there, and I bring groups in and do astrology there as well, if anyone's ever interested.
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But I'm having breakfast with this woman, and she was quite overweight, and um, she lived with her mom and she was single, and she uh rescued cats.
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And I so I met her and then I did her chart.
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And when I got home, I'm reading her chart, and I do all my readings on the phone because I don't want to see people, I don't want them to feed me information.
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I want the chart to tell me everything.
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I don't want to be influenced by my eyeballs.
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But I had met her, so I said, Oh my god, what she looks like does not fit with this chart.
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This woman is an incredibly sexual person who was supposed to be in partnership.
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And I said to her, Listen, I I don't think you're single.
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I know you're single because you told me that.
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I said, when was the last time you had a boyfriend?
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She said, like 20 years or something.
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And I said, okay, we we gotta look at your chart and tell, I gotta tell you where to go.
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And I said, Not only do I need to tell you where to go, I'm gonna tell you that your astrological weather forecast coming up for the next year is telling me that in this next year you have really good weather patterns to meet a guy.
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And I look at her astro cartography map, she lived in Seattle and said, You have got to go to Cuba.
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You have a Venus line going right through Cuba.
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Venus is the goddess of love.
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So if a woman is looking to attract a man, if she goes to a Venus line, she turns into a goddess and she can attract a man more easily.
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So a year later, she writes to me, and I still have this letter.
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She said, Leslie, you that reading with you was great.
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And when you told me I should go to get a cute dress and go to Cuba, I was like, she's nuts.
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Well, about eight months after the reading, one of her friends said, I'm gonna go to Cuba.
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You want to go with me?
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So she went, and when she was there, she met a guy who lived in Seattle, and they fell in love and they've been together ever since.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'll tell you another one.
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That's one of my favorites, and they're still together, by the way.
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I'm I'm staying in touch with her because that is as crazy as my Japanese story.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Like these are not random conversations I'm having with people about this map thing.
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So this other woman, she was in her 60s and lived in LA.
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And she hadn't had a boyfriend in many years, but she said, I really, really want to find somebody.
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I said, Okay, she let's see where you need to go.
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So I look at her astro cartography map and I said, You need to go to Denmark.
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And she said, That's ridiculous.
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I live in LA.
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I said, I don't care.
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You don't have to live there.
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I said, you just need to go visit.
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Or the other thing that's really cool about these maps is that anybody who's from the country where you have this good line for romance, if anyone's Danish and you happen to meet them somewhere else, that's also good.
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You don't have to actually go there.
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So um I didn't hear from her for a while.
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And then about a year later, she wanted an update on the reading because she met a guy in LA who was Danish and he had a home in Denmark, and they started a relationship, and now she goes back and forth from LA to Denmark.
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Oh my goodness, amazing.
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So fascinating.
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So I want to I want to bring us to a little bit of the functionality or how it works, you know, from the so essentially what I'm understanding is astrocartography is like a a cosmic blueprint, a place where there are planetary lines.
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How does so explain that a little bit?
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They're kind of complicated to read, but they're not that expensive to buy online, and you don't actually need an astrologer to get the a handle on the map.
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If you want to order one under the name of Jim Lewis, Astro Cartography, and they usually come with a booklet, and the booklet will help you decipher the map, and it will say, look for this line.
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And what my astrologer told me to do is make a copy of it, a Xerox copy, and then get highlighter markers and all different colors, and mark pink for love and yellow for success, and green for communication, and you know, brown for do not go there, or whatever color you want.
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And then you can this is something that's easily done without an astrologer if you get the booklet that goes with it.
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It takes a bit of practice to understand, you know, Jupiter is on the mid-heaven, is where you go for fame and fortune, or Venus on the ascendant.
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That's all astrological jargon.
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But the booklet tells you where to go for what you're looking for.
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And it's based on your birth chart still, or yeah, it's based on your birth chart, but you don't it doesn't have your chart on it.
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It's based on your birth date, time, and place.
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Okay.
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So it's not a birth chart, it's basically a map of the, it's just it's just one piece of paper.
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It's a map of the entire world, and then at the top and at the bottom, there are uh abbreviations for what the lines all mean, and there are tons of lines going up and down, up and down, and then there are lines that are swirling through.
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It looks very, very complicated, and they are kind of tricky because where lines cross, that's a those are super potent places.
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But in terms of figuring out where to live, I can tell you another wild story about this girl who was in her 20s and had a very, very difficult chart, and she lived in California, and that was a bad, she had a difficult chart and she was living in a bad place.
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And this girl is so depressed.
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And there are geographical cures.
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There are some places where you should not be living because they don't energetically flow with the highest version of what you want to be.
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And it can also make so much sense when you get your math done, you'll say, Oh my God, no wonder I was so miserable in Alabama.
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That is where that's where you go to just feel pain and suffering.
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But anyway, this girl, I said, Look, we got to figure out where your happiness place is because where you are right now is not working, and your chart is is, you know, not always easy for you.
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And I, you know, I let people know when they have a challenging chart because I have one as well.
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It doesn't mean you have a bad life.
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You actually will have an interesting life if you do your chart well.
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Only people who go through tough times have really interesting stories to tell.
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So I look at her chart and I saw that New York City was fantastic for her.
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And she took my advice and went there without knowing anybody.
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Within a day, she got a job at Barnes and Noble on Park Avenue.
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Within a month, she was escorting all these famous people who were coming in on book tours because she loved books and writing, and all of a sudden she's surrounded by the top-tier authors at that time.
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And she instantly found an apartment, she found a good roommate, like things started to work out for her.
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Yeah.
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And that's what we want.
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We want things to be easy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Absolutely.
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You know, I've traveled to over 40 countries and been, I think, to almost every continent.
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Yeah, every continent, except Antarctica.
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And I've certainly had my places where I'm like, I never want to go back there again.
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That was really awful.
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And then somewhere like I feel alive and really really amazing.
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I wonder looking back on it, if I would see some correlation.
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Well, what when I do your astro cartography map, you your job is not to tell me anything.
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I'm going to tell you where you had trouble.
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And then you can, then you'll know how accurate it is.
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And it's such a useful thing.
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And it's so inexpensive to get one.
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Like anyone who's listening to this recording, what a fun thing to do.
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And also when you're picking a vacation spot, you use the map to help figure out where you want to go.
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Now, where it gets tricky is if you're married to somebody and their great spot, maybe your worst spot.
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Yeah.
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So that's a whole nother level.
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That's where you really need an astrologer to help you figure out what's the best place for the two of you together, because that's very important too.
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You can't go to a place that's great for your husband and lousy for you, or vice versa.
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Yeah, amazing.
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How do you not fun?
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It is really fun.
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It's uh it's fascinating.
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And uh, you know, you've mentioned, you know, places to live, you mentioned love life, you've mentioned what are some other things, career, what are some other things people could look look for when it comes to astro cartography?
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So for men, let's say uh a man is gay and he's wanting to find a partner, he would want to go to a place where where he's he he attracts men.
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So that would be a Mars line.
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Um and so Mars is for anybody, whether you're straight or gay or whatever, it's where you go for physical vitality.
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But if a woman goes to a Mars line, she's perceived as being masculine there.
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So it's not so I have a few clients who are very attractive and they can't seem to find a date.
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And I look at their astro cartography map and I see they live near Mars line.
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And as I said, this is not this is not where you're the goddess.
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You you have more male, and your male side comes out here.
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Even if the woman's really feminine, it's just not an easy place for a woman who's looking to find a guy.
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So anyway, Mars is for that.
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Now, Saturn, a Saturn line is where you go for structure and where you go for teaching.
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So I have Saturn going through California.
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I can go to California for workshops, I can go there for short visits, but I don't want to live on a Saturn line because Saturn is too harsh.
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Um, and I don't I don't really like that for uh you know a daily basis kind of thing.
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But it doesn't mean that it's bad, it's just I would never choose to live there.
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So the best places to live are where you shine your light.
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So your sun lines, and there are four uh different main places that have the sun line going through them on the planet.
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Now, what can be tricky is that some of your sun lines may be going through places you would never want to live, like through you know, the Middle East or the ocean, and that can be tricky too.
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That's another thing you need an astrologer to help you with.
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Like, let's say you're one of these rare people where everything good that would make you really happy is in a place you would never want to go to.
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So that that can that's rare, but that can happen.
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But some people are you know meant to be going to Australia and they've never been.
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And I'm like, before you die, you gotta go there, you gotta experience what it would be like to actually feel radiant because the sun is where you feel the most yourself in many ways, because you can shine your light in a big way.
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Amazing.
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So, just as a recap, you mentioned where people can acquire this online.
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What was the site again?
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Well, just Google Jim Lewis astro cartography maps.
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Okay, and it's a little tricky to I don't I don't know what the exact website is, but if you Google it, you should be able to find it.
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But the most important thing is you've got to get the booklet, yeah.
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And um, that booklet will help you interpret the chart and you and it's very different than getting your astrology chart.
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This is much, much easier to get and to understand.
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So I highly suggest that you get get it and get the book because you'll have a blast just going through it and um looking at it.
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But you know, when I when I do your chart, we'll have to look at your map.
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Because I I love it when people have traveled all over the world because you can tell me stories about what happened to you in places where I'll say, gosh, I definitely wouldn't want you to go there.
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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No, that's a fascinating.
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Of course, you do them, you do the readings as well.
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So people could book directly to you.
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Yeah, exactly.
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When I do if somebody books an hour-long reading with me, what they get is their natal chart done.
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They get the transits, which is a fancy word for saying the weather forecast for the coming year.
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And then I always look at people's astro cartography maps.
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So you get all three during that hour.
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Okay.
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Um, and sometimes I even have time to look at some people in your life because I I love looking at relationship issues.
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I think I'm really, really good at helping people with uh relationship problems, marriage counseling for people, helping them understand why their partner's driving them crazy and how to come to terms with the way that the two people are wired.
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Yeah, I love it.
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I love it.
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Well, for those listening, you can find all of Leslie's details in the description box, her website, the access to her books where you can acquire them.
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And uh this is a fascinating topic.
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I I I look forward to doing that with you at some point, Leslie, and learning more.
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Um, I'm gonna dive definitely get that book and dive deep and start learning more about this.
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I think it's fascinating.
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Uh, I've loved having you on, Leslie.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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It was great, and I enjoyed every minute of it.
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It's my passion talking about this, so it's always fun.
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Absolutely.
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And for those who are listening, thank you for joining us, and we'll see you next time.
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Bye bye.
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Welcome to Rooted and Wild.
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Have you ever wondered why some places feel like home the moment you arrive, while others feel heavy, draining, or strangely misaligned?
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Astrocartography, the astrology of place, maps your personal energy across the globe and reveals where you thrive, where you struggle, and where your destiny unfolds with the most ease.
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In this episode, we explore the foundations of astrocartography with someone who has helped thousands of people understand exactly where on earth they are meant to be.
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Leslie McGurk brings more than 35 years of astrological mastery to her work as an internationally acclaimed astrologer, teacher, and intuitive guide.
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With her rare combination of psychic gifts and deep technical training, she helps people navigate the invisible forces shaping their lives.
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Her compassionate and creative approach has made astrology accessible to audiences of all ages and backgrounds, and her accuracy in both emotional and medical insight is recognized by experts and institutions worldwide.
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Leslie is the author of The Power of Mercury, If Rocks Could Sing, and over 20 celebrated children's books.
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Her TED Talk, The Importance of Being Wrong, continues to inspire global audiences, and since 2000, she has led thousands of readings, workshops, and international offerings.
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Her podcast with Karen Harvey touched listeners around the world and continues to influence new students of astrology.
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Today, Leslie guides us through the essential principles of astrocartography and how understanding your planetary lines can truly change your life.
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Leslie, welcome back to Rooted and Wild.
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Excited to be back to talk about one of my favorite topics, astrocartography.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'm so excited because I, you know, this is something I will be completely transparent with you.
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I only recently, I want to say like a month ago, even heard about this.
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I had not heard about this because I had someone say to me, I can't live in that area.
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It's just not the great place for me.
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That state or that region is not great for me based on my astrology chart.
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I'm like, what?
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Like, what is that?
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And as someone who has literally lived across around the world, you know, I lived, I've lived on in Egypt, I lived in Hawaii, I lived in Panama, I lived in Mexico, I lived in numerous states in the US and Canada.
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You know, I was like, what?
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You know, so I find that fascinating.
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So I'm really excited to hear uh from you.
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So you've never had someone look at your astro cartography chart?
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I have never.
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So I'm we definitely we definitely have to do that at some point.
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Okay, so based here's how it works.
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So your astrology chart, your birth chart, is like your owner's manual, and that is a navigational tool, and it tells you the best way to operate your life.
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An astro cartography map is something that was created by an astrologer named Jim Lewis.
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And what he did is he took the the birth chart and centered it on a map where where you were born is the the first part of your chart.
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And so everything is laid out according to your birth time.
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So if you do not have your birth time, you cannot have an astrocartography map.
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Okay, that's the first thing people need to know.
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So, how this works is and and I got my map when I was 19.
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The astrologer who saved my life when I was 19, she said, you need to buy one of these maps because you're going to be traveling all over the world eventually.
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When I was 19, I wasn't thinking about where I was going.
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So I got this map and I started studying it.
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And I will tell you that it is profoundly accurate.
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I was very famous in Japan as a designer.
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I had been trying to get my children's picture books published.
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I had told you in an earlier episode we did about getting rejected for many years.
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So I took the little animals from my children's books and put them on t-shirts.
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And I was selling them out of the back of my car, basically living on the poverty level in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
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And one of my friends said, You should write to Glamour magazine and tell them about your environmental t-shirt line that you're doing.
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So I did.
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Again, they came to me.
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I didn't go looking for it.
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And they um did this article about me in Glamour magazine.
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And my phone rang off the hook.
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Back then, this was like in the 1980s.
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It was life-changing for me.
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And I get a phone call from Takashimaya, the Neiman Marcus of Japan, and they've literally said, We want to make you famous in Japan.
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And all of a sudden, I am plucked from obscurity and flown first class to Tokyo and met with these people who said, We have an 11-year plan.
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We're going to make you famous first, and then we're going to start creating products.
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And we're going to promote you as this environmental designer.
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Because I used to work with Earthwatch and I would volunteer to help scientists on research projects around the world.
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So I worked with dolphins in Hawaii and bats in Spain and all these amazing scientists and environmental uh wizards out there.
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And then what happened is they started to create in department stores entire sections called the world of Leslie McCormick.
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Okay.
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This is from somebody who is completely untrained in art.
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I was just doing this because I couldn't get my children's book sold.
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Eventually, my first children's book was sold in to a Japanese publisher, and then eventually England and then the United States.
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So the point of this story is that going right through Tokyo is Jupiter on the midheaven, which is astrological language, was which is basically saying this is where you go to become famous.
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So interesting.
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Oh, like crazy.
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All right.
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That that and it just happened.
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I didn't go looking for it.
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And as a single woman working in Japan, it's unheard of that that I would be discovered and that I'm working there because that's my place to go for fame and fortune, which is what happened.
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Okay.
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So then I started traveling more all over the world.
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And London and Europe is great for writing.
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So that's where, and that's Mercury, which is communication.
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So my next round of children's books were all published by McMillan in the UK.
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So that whole area is great for Leslie.
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All right.
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Then I decided to not live my life based on a map, and I decided to go to Bali on a retreat with some women who are part of like the artist's way kind of thing.
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And also it was very metaphysical group as well.
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So I looked at my astro cartography map and I said, I really want to go to Bali, and I don't care if this is a place that looks physically dangerous for me.
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I'm going to Bali.
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So I went, and when I was there, I went to a guy who did acupressure that my friend had suggested I go to.
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And at the end of the session, he sat me up and I'm in the middle of a race patty.
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And the guy says, Can I do her neck?
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And he basically took my head and his hands and snapped my neck to the left and the right so hard that he tore every ligament and tendon in my neck.
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And I I told the story earlier when we were talking that it was such a bad injury.
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I basically lost seven years of my life to incredible pain in my neck and not being able to use my arms.
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I couldn't type.
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I couldn't even use my fingers.
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So I was like, oh my God, this map is so accurate.
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And I started, I've traveled all over the world.
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I've been to South America, which is fine.
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And I've tested this map out.
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I've been to Australia, New Zealand, I've been all over the United States, I've been to most of Europe.
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The one place I haven't gone to, and I'm not keen on going there, is Africa because I have really difficult lines and I really want to go to Africa, but I don't want to go to Africa because I have seen how accurate these maps are.
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So I have to tell you a really fun story about love and romance.
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I I was teaching at Rancho La Puerta in Mexico, which I've been teaching there for 25 years.
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It's a destination spa that's very holistic and just it's like my second home.
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I I love it there.
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And I teach astrology there, and I bring groups in and do astrology there as well, if anyone's ever interested.
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But I'm having breakfast with this woman, and she was quite overweight, and um, she lived with her mom and she was single, and she uh rescued cats.
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And I so I met her and then I did her chart.
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And when I got home, I'm reading her chart, and I do all my readings on the phone because I don't want to see people, I don't want them to feed me information.
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I want the chart to tell me everything.
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I don't want to be influenced by my eyeballs.
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But I had met her, so I said, Oh my god, what she looks like does not fit with this chart.
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This woman is an incredibly sexual person who was supposed to be in partnership.
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And I said to her, Listen, I I don't think you're single.
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I know you're single because you told me that.
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I said, when was the last time you had a boyfriend?
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She said, like 20 years or something.
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And I said, okay, we we gotta look at your chart and tell, I gotta tell you where to go.
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And I said, Not only do I need to tell you where to go, I'm gonna tell you that your astrological weather forecast coming up for the next year is telling me that in this next year you have really good weather patterns to meet a guy.
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And I look at her astro cartography map, she lived in Seattle and said, You have got to go to Cuba.
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You have a Venus line going right through Cuba.
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Venus is the goddess of love.
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So if a woman is looking to attract a man, if she goes to a Venus line, she turns into a goddess and she can attract a man more easily.
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So a year later, she writes to me, and I still have this letter.
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She said, Leslie, you that reading with you was great.
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And when you told me I should go to get a cute dress and go to Cuba, I was like, she's nuts.
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Well, about eight months after the reading, one of her friends said, I'm gonna go to Cuba.
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You want to go with me?
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So she went, and when she was there, she met a guy who lived in Seattle, and they fell in love and they've been together ever since.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'll tell you another one.
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That's one of my favorites, and they're still together, by the way.
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I'm I'm staying in touch with her because that is as crazy as my Japanese story.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Like these are not random conversations I'm having with people about this map thing.
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So this other woman, she was in her 60s and lived in LA.
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And she hadn't had a boyfriend in many years, but she said, I really, really want to find somebody.
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I said, Okay, she let's see where you need to go.
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So I look at her astro cartography map and I said, You need to go to Denmark.
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And she said, That's ridiculous.
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I live in LA.
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I said, I don't care.
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You don't have to live there.
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I said, you just need to go visit.
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Or the other thing that's really cool about these maps is that anybody who's from the country where you have this good line for romance, if anyone's Danish and you happen to meet them somewhere else, that's also good.
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You don't have to actually go there.
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So um I didn't hear from her for a while.
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And then about a year later, she wanted an update on the reading because she met a guy in LA who was Danish and he had a home in Denmark, and they started a relationship, and now she goes back and forth from LA to Denmark.
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Oh my goodness, amazing.
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So fascinating.
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So I want to I want to bring us to a little bit of the functionality or how it works, you know, from the so essentially what I'm understanding is astrocartography is like a a cosmic blueprint, a place where there are planetary lines.
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How does so explain that a little bit?
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They're kind of complicated to read, but they're not that expensive to buy online, and you don't actually need an astrologer to get the a handle on the map.
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If you want to order one under the name of Jim Lewis, Astro Cartography, and they usually come with a booklet, and the booklet will help you decipher the map, and it will say, look for this line.
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And what my astrologer told me to do is make a copy of it, a Xerox copy, and then get highlighter markers and all different colors, and mark pink for love and yellow for success, and green for communication, and you know, brown for do not go there, or whatever color you want.
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And then you can this is something that's easily done without an astrologer if you get the booklet that goes with it.
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It takes a bit of practice to understand, you know, Jupiter is on the mid-heaven, is where you go for fame and fortune, or Venus on the ascendant.
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That's all astrological jargon.
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But the booklet tells you where to go for what you're looking for.
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And it's based on your birth chart still, or yeah, it's based on your birth chart, but you don't it doesn't have your chart on it.
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It's based on your birth date, time, and place.
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Okay.
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So it's not a birth chart, it's basically a map of the, it's just it's just one piece of paper.
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It's a map of the entire world, and then at the top and at the bottom, there are uh abbreviations for what the lines all mean, and there are tons of lines going up and down, up and down, and then there are lines that are swirling through.
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It looks very, very complicated, and they are kind of tricky because where lines cross, that's a those are super potent places.
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But in terms of figuring out where to live, I can tell you another wild story about this girl who was in her 20s and had a very, very difficult chart, and she lived in California, and that was a bad, she had a difficult chart and she was living in a bad place.
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And this girl is so depressed.
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And there are geographical cures.
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There are some places where you should not be living because they don't energetically flow with the highest version of what you want to be.
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And it can also make so much sense when you get your math done, you'll say, Oh my God, no wonder I was so miserable in Alabama.
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That is where that's where you go to just feel pain and suffering.
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But anyway, this girl, I said, Look, we got to figure out where your happiness place is because where you are right now is not working, and your chart is is, you know, not always easy for you.
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And I, you know, I let people know when they have a challenging chart because I have one as well.
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It doesn't mean you have a bad life.
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You actually will have an interesting life if you do your chart well.
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Only people who go through tough times have really interesting stories to tell.
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So I look at her chart and I saw that New York City was fantastic for her.
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And she took my advice and went there without knowing anybody.
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Within a day, she got a job at Barnes and Noble on Park Avenue.
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Within a month, she was escorting all these famous people who were coming in on book tours because she loved books and writing, and all of a sudden she's surrounded by the top-tier authors at that time.
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And she instantly found an apartment, she found a good roommate, like things started to work out for her.
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Yeah.
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And that's what we want.
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We want things to be easy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Absolutely.
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You know, I've traveled to over 40 countries and been, I think, to almost every continent.
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Yeah, every continent, except Antarctica.
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And I've certainly had my places where I'm like, I never want to go back there again.
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That was really awful.
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And then somewhere like I feel alive and really really amazing.
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I wonder looking back on it, if I would see some correlation.
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Well, what when I do your astro cartography map, you your job is not to tell me anything.
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I'm going to tell you where you had trouble.
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And then you can, then you'll know how accurate it is.
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And it's such a useful thing.
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And it's so inexpensive to get one.
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Like anyone who's listening to this recording, what a fun thing to do.
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And also when you're picking a vacation spot, you use the map to help figure out where you want to go.
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Now, where it gets tricky is if you're married to somebody and their great spot, maybe your worst spot.
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Yeah.
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So that's a whole nother level.
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That's where you really need an astrologer to help you figure out what's the best place for the two of you together, because that's very important too.
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You can't go to a place that's great for your husband and lousy for you, or vice versa.
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Yeah, amazing.
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How do you not fun?
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It is really fun.
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It's uh it's fascinating.
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And uh, you know, you've mentioned, you know, places to live, you mentioned love life, you've mentioned what are some other things, career, what are some other things people could look look for when it comes to astro cartography?
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So for men, let's say uh a man is gay and he's wanting to find a partner, he would want to go to a place where where he's he he attracts men.
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So that would be a Mars line.
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Um and so Mars is for anybody, whether you're straight or gay or whatever, it's where you go for physical vitality.
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But if a woman goes to a Mars line, she's perceived as being masculine there.
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So it's not so I have a few clients who are very attractive and they can't seem to find a date.
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And I look at their astro cartography map and I see they live near Mars line.
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And as I said, this is not this is not where you're the goddess.
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You you have more male, and your male side comes out here.
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Even if the woman's really feminine, it's just not an easy place for a woman who's looking to find a guy.
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So anyway, Mars is for that.
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Now, Saturn, a Saturn line is where you go for structure and where you go for teaching.
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So I have Saturn going through California.
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I can go to California for workshops, I can go there for short visits, but I don't want to live on a Saturn line because Saturn is too harsh.
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Um, and I don't I don't really like that for uh you know a daily basis kind of thing.
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But it doesn't mean that it's bad, it's just I would never choose to live there.
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So the best places to live are where you shine your light.
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So your sun lines, and there are four uh different main places that have the sun line going through them on the planet.
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Now, what can be tricky is that some of your sun lines may be going through places you would never want to live, like through you know, the Middle East or the ocean, and that can be tricky too.
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That's another thing you need an astrologer to help you with.
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Like, let's say you're one of these rare people where everything good that would make you really happy is in a place you would never want to go to.
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So that that can that's rare, but that can happen.
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But some people are you know meant to be going to Australia and they've never been.
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And I'm like, before you die, you gotta go there, you gotta experience what it would be like to actually feel radiant because the sun is where you feel the most yourself in many ways, because you can shine your light in a big way.
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Amazing.
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So, just as a recap, you mentioned where people can acquire this online.
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What was the site again?
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Well, just Google Jim Lewis astro cartography maps.
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Okay, and it's a little tricky to I don't I don't know what the exact website is, but if you Google it, you should be able to find it.
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But the most important thing is you've got to get the booklet, yeah.
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And um, that booklet will help you interpret the chart and you and it's very different than getting your astrology chart.
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This is much, much easier to get and to understand.
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So I highly suggest that you get get it and get the book because you'll have a blast just going through it and um looking at it.
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But you know, when I when I do your chart, we'll have to look at your map.
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Because I I love it when people have traveled all over the world because you can tell me stories about what happened to you in places where I'll say, gosh, I definitely wouldn't want you to go there.
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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No, that's a fascinating.
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Of course, you do them, you do the readings as well.
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So people could book directly to you.
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Yeah, exactly.
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When I do if somebody books an hour-long reading with me, what they get is their natal chart done.
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They get the transits, which is a fancy word for saying the weather forecast for the coming year.
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And then I always look at people's astro cartography maps.
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So you get all three during that hour.
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Okay.
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Um, and sometimes I even have time to look at some people in your life because I I love looking at relationship issues.
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I think I'm really, really good at helping people with uh relationship problems, marriage counseling for people, helping them understand why their partner's driving them crazy and how to come to terms with the way that the two people are wired.
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Yeah, I love it.
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I love it.
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Well, for those listening, you can find all of Leslie's details in the description box, her website, the access to her books where you can acquire them.
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And uh this is a fascinating topic.
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I I I look forward to doing that with you at some point, Leslie, and learning more.
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Um, I'm gonna dive definitely get that book and dive deep and start learning more about this.
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I think it's fascinating.
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Uh, I've loved having you on, Leslie.
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Thank you so much for joining us.
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It was great, and I enjoyed every minute of it.
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It's my passion talking about this, so it's always fun.
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Absolutely.
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And for those who are listening, thank you for joining us, and we'll see you next time.
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Bye bye.
