Soren's Got a Mining Claim? | Ep. 337

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Oh God, quick quick question your thoughts on your mind.
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I've got a quick quick question for the answers, not record,
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not just by the week and talk tonight.
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So what's your favorite give or Daniel.
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See that's friends and comedy writs.
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If there's an answer that I'm gonna find, I think
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you'll have a great time.
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I think you'll have a great time.
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Borough Micame, Danny l A mis Uh, you're known, but
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molto bene parla.
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Ah Mane and Grazzio. I'm going to Italy soon, Soren.
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I you know, I think people will be listening to this.
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You'll already be there, so that will already be there.
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Perfect.
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I fucking forgot that you and your dog speak Italian, a.
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Little bit of Italian. It's been pushed so much out
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of my brain, first by time and then by the
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over fourteen hundred straight days that I've been doing Spanish
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on duo lingo. And this is not to say that
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the Italian has been pushed out by Spanish, kind of
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pushing each other out. There's no room for either of them,
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but the there's a couple of things. So I'm gonna
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be there for for a little over a week, and
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I I try to to really brush up in earnest
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and then that that wasn't taking. So I'm trying to
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anticipate what phrases I should have and and my list
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so far is my name is Daniel, very sorry, I
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don't speak great Italian. Do you speak English? Yeah? It's
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want to thank you very much? And my baby is
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three months old? Do you think there are any phrases
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that I should completely commit to memory between now and then? Yeah,
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that's the like the first I don't speak English, I
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don't be Italian, please help me. That seems like I'm
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gonna just drop that over and over again. And the
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three months thing seems like we will get stopped by
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people in the streets who will ask us how old
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your baby is, because that's what happens in America, and
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I assume it happens elsewhere too.
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I think you're gonna put you maybe want to learn
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is there a place to change my baby?
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Yes? Is there a place to change my baby?
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That's rather than just is there a bathroom? Because boy,
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we run into that situation before where I'm just on
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the doll, they're on the tiles filter floor. So is
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there a place to change my baby? It's like a
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really helpful one to know in an emergency.
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And I'll have to make sure that change because like
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combi are in Spanish is often sometimes like make change,
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and there's like different versions of change, So I have
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to make sure that they know. I'm not going to say,
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like I don't want to exchange this for a different.
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Yeah, baby, I want this baby to be less wet.
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I'm also not looking to this to metamorphosize into something else. Yeah,
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I don't.
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I haven't been like tricked into believing that Italy is
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a fairy tale country like change. Can you change this?
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Change this one?
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Where do I go and make this different?
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I know you do? Where's the witch? Play me? Put
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me in? The direction.
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Is that it is that its people are going to
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wonder as I give my list of phrases that I've
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learned and why I've also stealthily committed the phrase where
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is the Christmas Witch? That's just that's an accident. It's
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just a thing I knew previously. That's not part of
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this current experiment.
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That's a fun one to know. I in the same way,
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I have like these little bits of language from other
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countries that I thought I would need at some point
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or that just seemed silly to me to learn. So
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for a lot of times it was useful, Like when
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I was traveling to France, I was furious on the
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I was just on the chunnel, like figuring out how
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to say a scusha breevoi, and then like pointing to
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what I want, like can I please have? And then
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what I needed, and then other things like I read
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Showgun and so you pick up some phonetic Japanese in Showgun,
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and I'm just like, sure, you wait, not an opportunity
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to say what is going on here? Or can you
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give me a minute? Or that's just fate. She got
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the good nay, that goes well, it can't be helped.
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So it's really fun now when I run into somebody
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who is Japanese. Because I'm also at the at an
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age where this is what's expected of a middle aged
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man to interject himself in other people's lives because he
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has some information to give. I'm like a less fun equalizer.
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I'm like a guy who's still want to inject myself
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in other people's lives, but I want to do it
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in a way that's not so violent. Equalizer who seems
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very fun, that's for sure, And so I can say
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I know how to say wait just a minute, and
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I have We have a Japanese school here in Culver City,
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so a lot of the kids on the baseball teams
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are Japanese, and so some of them don't have very
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strong English. But when I get to a moment where
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I can say just a minute in Japanese and like
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get to see their face, I get real excited about that.
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And then I also get to say do you understand me,
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which also feels so good to say I don't understand
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what they say back to me.
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No, of course not. I was in a movie theater
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a couple of years ago, like my classic Tuesday, in
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the middle of the day, showing of something, and there's
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never anyone at those screenings, and I remember someone at
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the ticket ripper in front of me was using sign
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language and had one of those that's your dream, like
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you mount a screen kind of thing to read the
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words along with the movie. And I recognized what that
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device was, and I recognize a little bit of siglog,
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which that the person was talking to the ticket person,
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and the ticket person nineteen year.
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Old, was just like I don't know what's happening. I
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don't know what this is.
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I don't know what you can't you're pointing at this
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device and I don't know what you want me to
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do with this. I cannot help you. And I was
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so I was very moved because I thought like, this
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is because the person who was using sign language seemed
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seemed very stressed, and I thought, this is this must
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be this must be very lonely, and this must be
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very hard, and you just want to see this movie
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and it's end. I can't imagine how difficult it is
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to not be able to communicate. It just it just
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it's it's it breaks my heart every time I think
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about it, just as as a broad concept. And I
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really started marching up with with sign language knowledge and
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then had to stop myself because it's just like, like
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I know how to say you see turtle and naked
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and divorce and Christ on a bicycle and like a
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bunch of stuff that looks like, well, surely he's got
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If he's got naked, elf, he's got I can help you,
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or this person speaks sign language, No I don't. I
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picked up uh whale, and I picked up a couple
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of other completely useless things of spider spider spiders like
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and get spider sword spileers ex betters like that.
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I think, sure, yeah, I'm with you. Where there are
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circumstances and I have to pause and ask myself, can
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I really help in this situation or do I just
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want to demonstrate that I also know the thing? Yes,
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that's most of my life. Okay, well Daniel, let's get
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into the show.
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Yeah.
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Quick question. I have a quick question for you.
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Okay, Punta Rapida.
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Have you ever had a situation where, like in those
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mobile game ads, where you inherit a property out of
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nowhere and you didn't even know that the family had it,
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and then you get to go see it. You know
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those situations.
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I don't know the mobile ads. I mean I should
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say no across the board. I'm not invested in this podcast.
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I don't know the mobile ads you're talking about. I've
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never inherited any anything.
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Well, let me back up. I'm only using the mobile
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ads as a touchstone because it feels the most ripe
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in my brain. But there's the mobile ads for some
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game gardens Escapes or something like that, garden Escapes that
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where they there's a very convoluted whole uh preamble to
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the game where this young woman inherits a property from
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her mother and then is arrested immediately. That's not really
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clear like what's happening or if she killed the mother or
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what happened anyway.
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All the mobile ads I get, I have to like
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dig a hole to save some like freakishly busty queen
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and oh yeah, I know that one too. Yeah, and
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I can't do it, And that's really easy, but I
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can't do it. Gares the shit out of me.
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I've seen the ads for that one too, where there's
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a queen or a king that's about to drown and
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if I don't say them and I'm trying to dig
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a hole strategically not the game for MEO, Way too
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stressful anyway, that circumstance arose for me, your friend Soren
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sourn Oh.
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I have so many accounts. I have the things that
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I use to stream, the things that I watch. I
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have bank portals, I have travel portals. I have a
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different account for every airline because my wife is crazy
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about points, and every account means a different username, a
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new password to keep them all safe. And it's so
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hard and comforsome to keep track of everything. I used
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to write everything, all of my passwords down on a
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piece of paper that I would tape under my computer,
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and then I replace that with a notes app that
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has all of my passwords. And because I don't want
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anyone to find my notes app and hack my passwords,
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I don't even write the actual passwords in the note app.
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I write a version of them that is like a
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code that my brain understands that no one else will understand.
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So my dad died a couple of years ago, and
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when I was visiting him before he died, his good
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buddy was there with him in his room and they
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were talking and his buddy said, oh, what are you
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going to do with the property, with Hawk's property, And
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my dad was like, I don't know. He's like, we
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should give it to the boys, which means me and
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my brother. And I was like, what are we talking about.
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When my dad was young, he graduated from college, came
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out to Colorado, and he and his buddies were trying
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to climb all the fourteen ers and then they just
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stayed in Colorado. Never finished the task, but stayed in Colorado.
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When they did that, he and his friends like, how
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are we going to get property cheap? And they were
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like we were going to go. They decided if they bought
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property sight unseen at auction, they could get some land
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and that's all they needed. And so he and his
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buddies were all kept talking about it, and then their
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one friend, Hawk did do it. He went, I don't
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know how much he bought proper for it couldn't have
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been more than like four hundred dollars, but he bought
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a big piece of land at auction and then they
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all went and saw it. And then tragically, my dad
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and Hawk run a climbing trip and Hawk died on
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that trip. And I think that that informed kind of
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who my dad was in general after that. But my
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dad that property went on too Hawk's family. When Hawk's
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family all passed away, they passed it on to my
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dad because they were, like, I know, this is important
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to all of you. My dad and his other friends
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went and built a shrine up there to their friend,
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and then every subsequent trip where they tried to go
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up there, they could not find it. They couldn't figure
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out what it was. And here's why this property exists
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above timberline. It's out in the middle of nowhere in Colorado.
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It is no water, no power, there's no structures around
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it or anything like that. It is it's a mining
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claim basically. Yeah, And so I guess technically we have
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the mineral right to it as well. If we wanted
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to dig around for some gold or silver, sure, but
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it is just this chunk, this big square of land
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up there that apparently is somewhat elusive in that my
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dad and his friends couldn't find it after a little while.
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got I found like going through all his old stuff.
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I found maps and things like that. It's old USGS
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maps where they was they routed their trip, and I
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was like, oh, okay, that's cool, that's that's interesting. So
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I kind of know where this I have like a
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vague idea of where this place is. And just recently
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the property tax there's property taxes on it because it's property,
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and it was really cheap because this is not developable land,
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I don't think. I guess maybe you could build like
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a cabin out there all alone if you wanted to,
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but it's not developable land. Then all of a sudden,
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the property the property taxes jumped like six hundred percent,
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so the point where it's no longer just like a
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fun thing to own. We're just now like, well, what
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the fuck is this thing? So I'm in the middle
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of planning a trip with my brother and his son
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and my son where we're gonna go to Colorado and
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we're gonna go try and find this place that is.
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Very exciting and go see.
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What it is.
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It sounds like a movie. It sounds dangerous. Yeah, it
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sounds really fun. What how how are you gonna?
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Yeah? Great question, great question. When I so I went
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to the assessors for that particular county. I called the
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assessor and I was like, hey, uh, can you just
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give me the geo coordinates to this? They were like, no,
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we don't do that. I was like, well, how would
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I if I found this? How would I even know
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where it ent? The property end and stuff. They're like,
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we got to get a survey done. And I was like, oh,
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well a survey or even go up there, and they're
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like no.
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It's like, okay, so I have Obviously there's no record
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that a survey had been done under hawks.
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I think I think when they auctioned the property off
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they had to do a survey, but that was in
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nineteen seventy two or whatever. Okay, yeah, well we're all
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busy being sad about Circuco, right.
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And the seventies four square yards. I mean, that's like
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twenty square yards today with inflation.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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I think that this is it's I think it's probably
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like an acre or something like that up in the
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middle of nowhere. But I'm just looking at maps and stuff,
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and I'm trying to figure out that I have this
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square plotted on a map. I know where it is
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more or less based on a topography map. But you know,
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the difference between actually being there and seeing it on
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a topography map is very different. You can't orientate yourself
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on them much up there, especially since it's above timberline.
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The contours of like where I am and everything, and
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there's no creaks around it. You can't get a good
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life of the land easily. I don't even know there's
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there is what is considered I guess an access road
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very close to it, but for all I know, this
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thing is unpassable. So, man, we were.
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Getting some sort I know, I know I say things
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like this a lot, but I'm getting some real city
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slickers to legend of Curly's goal five.
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Absolutely absolutely, I'm realizing how far a field I've come
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from my upbringing. When I'm thinking about doing this, I'm
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talking to like the National Park and are the force service?
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And I'm like, hey, so can I Is it cool
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if I camp on my own property? They're like, yeah,
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it's your property. And I'm like okay, okay cool.
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And and what would the rule be in your home? Soren?
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Can I can I do? Are's? I see there's a
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stream it's about quarter mile away? Can I use that
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for water? And they're like I wouldn't just drink out
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of the stream? Like no, no, no, I know, but
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can I? Am I allowed to take some of that.
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Water and treat it?
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And they're like, yeah, man, that's it's all fine. Are
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you sure you want to do this? But I'm thinking
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what we have to do is get like a high
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clearance vehicle. The biggest fear I have is that we're
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just gonna get stuck up there. But it's either going
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to be a thing where we get up there, we
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get to the airport and then we get up there
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in an hour and a half, or this is a
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three day hike in And I don't know which it
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is yet. I cannot just from satellite imagery and stuff.
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There's no way to tell. There's no way to tell
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if this is an actual passable road or not.
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It's so, it's so, And I feel like, didn't your
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dad fly helicopters? Could he not? He didn't, He.
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Wasn't he didn't. Yeah, he's a mountain rescue so he
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was riding in those, but he was not the pilot
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of those.
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He couldn't just get one for a day to like
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buzz up and be like, Okay, there's the there's the drawing.
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I got it.
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Yeah, No, I don't think he can do that. He
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s that they made is very cool. It was like
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they had this whole plaque for him, and it was like, uh,
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Hawk was a guy who loved neat things, and he
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like he liked to do neat things. It's a very
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uh it's I love the way it's written. It's very funny.
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And and uh, then they said they could never find
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it again. I don't know if somebody pulled it apart
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or if they just could struggle to find the area.
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Who would do such a thing. No one pulled it apart.
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Come on, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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So you don't know if it'll be an hour and
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a half or a three day hike. Do you do
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you have any sense that you will have clarity on
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that before you Yes, go okay, you are, you are
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enough things are moving that you will not be completely blind.
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Yeah, So right now I'm finding part closest towns and
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what I know, these are definitely towns that we can
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drive to, planning on getting maybe a campsite near the
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town that would be like an actual structure campsite, right,
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and then kind of assessing the road situation beyond that
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town and understanding, okay, well from the town it's only
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going to be three miles, so we can do that,
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or it's gonna be four miles or whatever it is,
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and just deciding which town to go from, and then
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just pouring through off road blogs or off road communities
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where they're talking about areas that are either there or nearby,
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and what they're doing to their tires and everything, like
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what sort of lift they needed on their vehicles. They're
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constantly talking about deflating their tires, like you gotta do that.
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Fucking course, you got to flate your tires so your
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tires are softer. I guess, sure, stuff I don't. I
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just don't understand. I don't want to understand.
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I mean, even the when you're talking about the mileage,
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it's It's very funny to me. My brother and I
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go backpacking. We used to do it with a bit
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more frequency. Now we will let a couple of years
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go by when we're planning those, and enough time goes.
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When you're in the hike, you are so aware of everything.
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You know, you know how to read maps, and you
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know what what you're you're doing. You know, you're what
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is a safe distance for you? When you let some
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years go by and you're planning a trip, just looking out,
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its being like how many what is? What is a
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lot of miles? I do not I know what like
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what driving or running a lot of miles is, but
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what what can I do?
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Right? And also that they're the little like twists and
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turns of a switchback trail. Yeah, you're like, well, I'm
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just going to do that as the crow flies. Let's see,
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that's only about a mile, but in truth, when you're
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doing it, it's more like three and then and you
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can kind of guarantee that in a when you're hiking,
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as long as it's not really steep elevation, you could
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do about a mile an hour. You can kind of
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guarantee you could do that. And every once in a
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while you get into a situation where you fucked up
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where that's not the case at all, where you you
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you're looking at the topography of MAPP and you're like, well,
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that doesn't look that steep, the lines aren't that close together.
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But then you get there and it's just a sheer
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face and you're like, oh, okay, okay.
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Our last tyke. I might have thought like, oh, let's
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we'll do thirty miles is the loop and if we
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need to take three days, we could take it three days.
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But maybe we'll be able to get like like seventeen
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miles the first day and then have a lighter day
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the second day, and then we won't need the whole
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three days. And then as we're doing the first day,
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it was like, maybe we call a helicopter.
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And for us from this, we either call a helicopter
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or we call home and tell them we're going to
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be out here a week, because there's just no way. Hey, everybody,
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or should I just say pet owners everybody else that
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you can sit this one out. Pet owners, have you
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ever had an experience where you think, oh, my pet
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is so much like me. He thinks he's a human,
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and he's so great my cat or my dog is
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just like me. And then they go and do something
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like get sick, and weird stuff starts coming out of
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them that you didn't even know existed, weird visceral fluid
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that yet you don't even know which end it came
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out of them, and you think, oh, no, this is
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an alien. I've been living with an alien this entire time.
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That happens to every pet owner where you realize how
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far away you are from your animal when weird stuff
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just starts coming out of their body. It's terrifying. You
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don't know what it is. A viscous, clear fluid. Sometimes
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every time they sit down, What is that? How do
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they make in puddles everywhere? And how what is it
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they've glands in there near their butts. All this is
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And we should do is to lead trips. When I
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was younger, we would it was trips in the backcountry too,
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So it's not on a trail. You're just scouting a
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route on a topography map and being like, oh, okay,
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this is the way, this is the best solution, and
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then when you're on it, you're finding it on the
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topography map and that skill has just atrophied in me.
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There's no way I'm going to plow out a route
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on this topography map that I have from the USGS
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00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.400
Map Service in the nineteen seventies and be like, this
483
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:20.200
is the creek I want to follow until we get
484
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:21.680
to this ridge, and then I want to go through
485
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.119
this saddle. There's just no fuck it with.
486
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:25.960
Especially my children.
487
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.000
Yeah, yeah, with my son there too, so this will
488
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.839
be his first backcountry trip. I think it's going to
489
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.039
be my brother's son's first backcountry trip as well. Wow,
490
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.000
which is exciting for them. Mostly we're going to try
491
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.039
and solve this mystery. I'm not sure we'll ever get
492
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.880
resolution to it. But even when I look at the
493
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.359
satellite imagery, I could see the Satelete imagery is from
494
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.119
years ago, so I don't know why this property value
495
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.880
would have jumped. We might get up there and maybe
496
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:53.559
there's another mine somewhere nearby, and we're like, okay, oh
497
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.759
we're finding something up here.
498
00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.640
You could find something that would explain that the the increase,
499
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:01.799
and it's and it's not.
500
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.240
Just that's what mainly we're going up there for. If
501
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:06.640
there's structure is up there now, or there's the sense
502
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.880
that we see telephone poles or something, there's electricity there.
503
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.839
I think any of these things would start to help
504
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.440
me understand why it would be that much more. Now,
505
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.160
I'll tell you the fantasy part of me, Yeah, thinks
506
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.880
that we would get up there. There is nothing else
507
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.720
up there, but it is a beautiful little area. It
508
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:28.559
is near creek.
509
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.480
And that busty queen from the cartoon, she's free and
510
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.119
she just waits for you wait the hole because I
511
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:35.839
saved her, because I saved her.
512
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:39.000
And there's but there's like my kids don't there's there's
513
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:40.680
room for us to be alone. The kids don't have
514
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.000
to watch. Yes, Yes, another hole we dig another hole
515
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:49.440
for the kids, the kids in the hole. My dream
516
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:53.000
is that what if there is an access road? It's
517
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:57.839
an easily that road is drivable. What's stopping me from
518
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.720
fucking putting together a Colorado cabin up there?
519
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.920
Wow?
520
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:05.359
That I just go visit every summer.
521
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.960
This is not a money making thing. The dream is
522
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:11.640
not to make a lot of money. That The dream
523
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.519
is just like being a guy who owns land in
524
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.000
Colorado and has a little cabin.
525
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.440
What if I live there? What if when my children
526
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.519
get older and they don't need me anymore, and I
527
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.039
might as well be dead if I just moved here?
528
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:30.279
H Christ. So it's almost Father's Day. Yeah, it's almost
529
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.519
my first Father's Day. We're like a week and a
530
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:33.440
half away from it.
531
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.759
Good lord, what if I what if I've built a
532
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.720
cabin just like I don't know how to build a
533
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:42.720
cabin first, let me see my prevacist ale.
534
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:44.279
You can figure it out. You can find out how
535
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:45.000
to build a cabin.
536
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.200
Yeah, I got YouTube. Yeah if I had just there's
537
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.039
a hot system all around Colorado that these tenth Mountain
538
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.519
Division guys did that are I've stayed in these huts
539
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:56.440
growing up, and they don't have water to them, they
540
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.559
don't have power to them. Some of them have power,
541
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.319
but they're the system. It seems like if they could
542
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.799
build something like that, I could get that done. I
543
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.559
wouldn't do it alone, obviously, but I could. I could
544
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.359
have my own a frame up there that I just
545
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:11.960
go visit.
546
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.880
You can do anything that another person has done.
547
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:24.200
That is my full belief in you, Ah booty exceptionalism.
548
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:29.359
I what do you think do you think that I
549
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.720
could do this? You think I could make a cabin
550
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.599
out in the middle of nowhere that is only accessible
551
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.400
by hiking into it? What a dream that would be?
552
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.720
That would be so cool. I wonder, I think you
553
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:47.359
could do it. I wonder how would you be stressed
554
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.839
thinking about it when you're living your life in the
555
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.319
real world where your kids still need you. Would you
556
00:29:55.400 --> 00:30:00.559
be monitoring weather in Colorado and worrying what the is
557
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.079
doing too? You know, you wouldn't store valuables in there,
558
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.599
some treasure of course, Yeah, I got it. So you'd
559
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.920
be storing like my stones, obviously my stones. You know,
560
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.480
you'd have furniture in there, you'd have some stuff that
561
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.599
needs to stay there. Static. Would you be worried about
562
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.759
it getting destroyed by the elements, Well.
563
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.119
Yeah, I guess I would. I think I would be
564
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.880
worried about it. Depends on how much I would sink
565
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.359
into it. That what would scare me. And now that
566
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.279
I'm thinking about it, most of the cabins in the
567
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.200
hot system are all below timberline, probably for that reason.
568
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.519
Yeah, Like I worry about my basement whenever I can't
569
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.519
see it, which is most of the time. Yeah, I
570
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.279
feel like I'd want to set up a ring camera
571
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.920
on my Colorado cabin and just stare at it always.
572
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.920
Yeah, it would be a new way, a new thing
573
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.720
for me to worry about constantly. You're absolutely right. I'm
574
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.920
not actually too worried about critters and stuff. Ordinarily I
575
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.000
would be, because an area that's unoccupied for most of
576
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.319
the year would get a lot of if not mice,
577
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.079
then like Pika or something else that lives up there.
578
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:11.319
Sure, Pika, And.
579
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.720
Then on top I think it would be more worried
580
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:16.440
about people.
581
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.000
The noble Pika chew. It's cute.
582
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:27.240
It's a relative of the rabbit, very soft for there's
583
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.880
They're so adorable. They live at high elevations and they
584
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.720
make the most very territorial so they scream at you,
585
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.160
but their stream is just adorable hamsters. Yeah.
586
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:41.160
Oh, someone has already done Pika. Pikachu, Yeah, Pikachu, fuck
587
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.920
me whatever. I'm just learning about it. So it's pretty quick.
588
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:45.400
You came up from that.
589
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:50.359
I was quick too. You get credit like you, I
590
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.960
we worried about people breaking into it, and I think
591
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.599
I would be. Yeah, I guess the avalanche danger is
592
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.480
a real concern, since they rushed all no trees around it.
593
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.759
I guess maybe I'd also be going up there to
594
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.079
see what the grade is see if I think this
595
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.400
is a slide area, and if it is, then it's
596
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.759
completely unusable. And I don't know what I do with
597
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:11.400
it other than this is the only thing keeping me
598
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:13.599
tethered to Colorado.
599
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:20.400
You like this dream enough that you will You don't
600
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:26.720
want to shake loose this high property tax burden. You
601
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:28.279
don't want to find out what this is and then
602
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.640
and then sell it and sell it not have an
603
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:31.279
extra bill.
604
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:37.400
Yeah, I mean, that'll be what happens. Sure, that will happens.
605
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.079
If I'm really being honest with myself, That's exactly what's
606
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:42.640
gonna happen.
607
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.480
I mean, I like your dream too. I think it's neat.
608
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.839
Some conglomerate will call me and be like, we're gobbling
609
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.279
up properties all over Colorado. Can we buy yours? And
610
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.920
I will say yes, that's my guess is what will happen.
611
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.200
But I don't know. I need I need to just
612
00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:58.440
put my eyes on it.
613
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.319
Yeah, see shrine is still there. See if you could
614
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.640
put a shrine to your father as well. It seems like,
615
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.160
oh my god, that hadn't crossed your mind.
616
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.599
Oh my god. No, But I you know, I saw
617
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.000
his his buddies, his other friends, who were all these
618
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:19.359
guys that were all climbing during around this time. I
619
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.359
invited them. I invited them to go with us, and
620
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.920
unfortunately they're not going to be able to at the
621
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.359
time that my brother and are going. But it would
622
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.160
be a great idea to put something to my dad
623
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.119
up there. Yeah, what a brilliant idea. Okay, now I
624
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.400
got to get to work on this. Sure, I need
625
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:40.039
a Mason. I think that's that's where you start, for
626
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.799
sure with this whole project. Mason first, you gotta line
627
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.920
him up first, because they they're booked up. They're like
628
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:52.119
a wedding venue. How uh, how pumped is your son?
629
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.359
Does he? Yeah? He's very exciting.
630
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:58.680
He's aware of like the just how cool of a
631
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.119
thing this is? Like, I don't like there's a little
632
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:04.559
kid excitement of we're gonna we're taking a trip. Just
633
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.039
the guys, I think is what is the coolest part
634
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:08.719
of this to.
635
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.760
Him, It is that he's going on a trip without
636
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.920
his sister. That it is the idea of backcountry camping,
637
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.679
and you have to age into it. That he's aged
638
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.320
into something, even though he doesn't totally understand necessarily what
639
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.519
it is, he's into all of that. I don't think
640
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.639
that his excitement for the property matters at all. I
641
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:30.199
think that he's not feeling anything like a sense of
642
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:36.079
ownership or excitement about seeing something that is his. But
643
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:40.119
that's fine, that's all right. I don't know about my
644
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.280
brother's son. I'm sure that he's feeling sort of the
645
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.280
same thing where it's just like, oh, it's just the boys.
646
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:51.519
The boys are all going Yeah. I just don't know
647
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:57.880
what it's gonna be well, because I don't know if
648
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.000
you've spent time above timberline, have you done. You've done
649
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.119
peaks before, Yeah, so you get above timberline, it's not
650
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.440
just like you you ease onto little meadows, soft grass
651
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.960
out there above the trees, it's all rock.
652
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.400
Yeah, that's that's certainly true about here. I didn't know
653
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.800
what it's what it's like in Colorado, but like the
654
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.239
Appalachian Trail is all it's all rock, maybe eighteen.
655
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.760
It's all scree up there, which means I don't even
656
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.440
really know if we're gonna even be able to camp
657
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.400
on it. When I've looked at the satellite imagery, there's
658
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.639
some green up there, which means that there is some
659
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.159
grass growing up, like some tundra grass or something growing
660
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:40.159
up there. But uh, I don't want to gamble on
661
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.639
that I've been above timberline, and I don't. Camping above
662
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.639
timberline is not also very fun unless you have some
663
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:48.719
sort of topography to protect you. It's windy as shit
664
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:53.280
up there, and it's the storms are dangerous, so sure,
665
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:55.360
I don't. I don't even know if we're gonna be
666
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.360
able to camp on it. Let alone build this mansion
667
00:35:58.400 --> 00:35:58.639
I want.
668
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.320
You can. You can have a snack on it. You can, Yeah,
669
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.639
you can get there and look at it and toast
670
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.559
some whiskey and give the boys some whiskey.
671
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:16.280
Get our kids drunk up there. Yeah, well, you're not
672
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.320
gonna hurt anything up here. Go ahead, get drunk. Here's
673
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:24.840
a gun I also bring maybe bring like a little
674
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:26.679
spade or something. Just do a little digging. See if
675
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.360
I can come with some more right off the bat.
676
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.360
Yeah, get it. That'd be pretty huge.
677
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.960
See if the land will tell me, if it speaks
678
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.800
to me and tells me there's or under there.
679
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:43.519
I would really love it if you found some precious
680
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.920
mineral there. If for no other reason than what a
681
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.320
fantastic way that is to end your promising comedy writing career,
682
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:57.840
that you just you leave American Dad because you found gold.
683
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:09.199
Yeah, up up them hills. I think, Yeah, what I'm
684
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.199
really doing this trip is is looking for any reason
685
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.000
to keep this place. Yeah, deciding if there's any reason
686
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.400
why we should still hold on to it. It seemed
687
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:20.639
like it would have been a great thing to have
688
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.639
forever before the property taxes shot through the roof. And
689
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.199
maybe it is these conglomerates that force that all these
690
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.400
because we do get notifications now all the time, now
691
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.639
that the property belongs to me and my brother, we'll
692
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.719
get cold texts all the time that'll say, hey, we're
693
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.360
in just in this property in this county, and would
694
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.480
you be interested in selling it? I think that those
695
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.480
I don't know what their endgame is other than to
696
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.239
just own every piece of land there is sure, And
697
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.280
maybe they've done that for other people up there. Other
698
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.559
people have similar situations where somebody bought landed auction at
699
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.800
one point, or they were speculative miners, and then somewhere
700
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.400
in their family and has been inherited and now they're
701
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.000
just like, let's get rid of this, and so all
702
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.480
the property values have jumped up because of it.
703
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:03.920
With someone from Silicon Valley who's gonna level Long's Peak
704
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.079
and build a data center on it we.
705
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.280
Could pull from you, Daniels, That's what a great one. Now,
706
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.679
long Man, you know you know Colorado? I do did
707
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:15.760
you climb Long Speak?
708
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:18.760
No, My brother and I were going to and uh
709
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.880
we had a trip planned for October and that was
710
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.440
the only time our schedules would allow for it. And
711
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.760
we have it all mapped out and we my brother
712
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:34.119
was calling the rangers like weekly and then daily, uh
713
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.199
to check on conditions to make sure they could safe
714
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.199
we do it, and every day the rangers were like,
715
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.840
today you can, I'm not gonna I'm you're not gonna
716
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:44.760
get anyone who's gonna commit to saying like yeah, Saturday
717
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.519
and Sunday it's gonna be fine. And then you know,
718
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.519
we get there and literally day of they're like, oh,
719
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.719
you can't. You cannot see up there. And so we
720
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:58.920
had to, to youthful ignorance come up with a completely
721
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:04.119
brand new two day maybe three day hike in the
722
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:05.920
parking lot of the park because they're like, you can't
723
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go up there because it's like it's complete whiteout conditions,
724
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.639
and we're like, okay, And I think my first instinct
725
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.039
was like damn well about that motel. We stayed in
726
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.400
last night and got some vacancies still, so we could
727
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just do that again a couple of nights and then
728
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go to Denver and drink, and my brother just like
729
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.880
came up with a beautiful non fourteener involving hike that
730
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.000
we could just we were just out in the Colorado
731
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.400
Rocky Mountain National Park doing beautiful, amazing hikes and it
732
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.400
you know, we wanted to do a fourteener and we
733
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:42.960
didn't get to do a fourteener, but there's still something
734
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:51.440
cool about being seen with our like definite backpacking gear
735
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.159
while everyone else who's hiking that day is like clearly
736
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.440
doing day stuff and we are going out deeper into
737
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.280
this thing. And everyone we met on the trip was
738
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.920
really cool. And when we were coming home on our
739
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.159
last day, passing people they who were going in, they
740
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.679
would say, oh, you were the ones who were backpacking,
741
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like like worried about us had.
742
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Spread and that was very exciting that like, yeah, in
743
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those conditions, incredible in October camping in October, oh yeah,
744
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.760
that's snow camping, baby. So as somebody who's climbed fourteen ers,
745
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.880
fourteeners are just for anyone who's listening. Fourteen thousand foot peaks.
746
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There's not a ton of them in the United States.
747
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There's one in California, and then there's a bunch in Colorado.
748
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I don't think there are any in Montana. Are there?
749
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I don't know, I don't know. I think Colorado California
750
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might be the only places they have, but they're they're overrated.
751
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Getting up a fourteen or doesn't mean any different. It's nothing.
752
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:48.880
It's like, can you climb a twelve thousand foot peak?
753
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.119
You get the same feeling. It's so cool being up there,
754
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.960
you're above everything else. It feels the same. It's awesome
755
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.800
to climb, to just be in Colorado and climbing something
756
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and then getting to the top of it feels wonderful there.
757
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But what it is and why people do it is
758
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because it has a name. Even though like we all
759
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like even though then you can say, we can all
760
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think of numbers bigger than fourteen. I'm not gonna bore
761
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:12.920
you with them now, but we can all do it.
762
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And if you tell anyone, as I did when I
763
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:23.280
first started backpacking and climbing in my twenties, someone will say,
764
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have you done a fourteen er? It's just like one
765
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.719
of the things that you ask other climbers, and so
766
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:33.599
it becomes this this thing to aspire to, the same
767
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:40.119
way that like a marathon is the distance, because that's
768
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.039
how long the run was in marathon Greece, the whatever
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00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.480
like one run that they had to do a million
770
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:49.800
years ago for whatever thing that I'm barely remembering. Twenty
771
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:54.639
six point two miles is not like the best distance
772
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.800
to run, and it's not the most impressive distance to run.
773
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But if you start running, someone will say, have you
774
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.079
done a marathon? Twenty six point two does not feel
775
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.239
better than twenty six point one, doesn't feel better than
776
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.400
twenty five, doesn't feel better than twenty four. There's not
777
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:11.840
like an additional writer's high, runners high that clicks when
778
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:15.079
you get to a certain point. In fact, I would
779
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:20.719
say the last six point two miles are are pretty
780
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.000
repetitive and they're pretty much dog shit. Most of running
781
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.880
is bad, but really after mile twenty is very bad.
782
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:32.480
That's really particularly bad. Yeah, fourteen ers are tough in
783
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a way that I'll say it like a twelve thousand
784
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.280
pupeka in terms of the aesthetic of it, of getting
785
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to the top and being like, oh this was fun.
786
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A fourteener is generally, I guess depending on which ones
787
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.159
you do, they're not fun. When you get to the
788
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.400
top of them, it's like it was it was rough.
789
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.559
It was rough and a little scary on some of them,
790
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.239
like Capital is one that I did that is a
791
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.719
very scary climb, and then you get to the top
792
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.199
and it's like, Okay, well I did it, and now
793
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.079
I can tell people I did it, but I'm scared
794
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.480
to be up here. Yeah, it's time to come back down.
795
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.199
I looked at it up there's Alaska, and I mean, well,
796
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.880
Alaska obviously has a bunch, but Colorado California both have
797
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fourteen ers, and then Washington. I didn't realize that they
798
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.519
also have two peaks. They've got Mount Rainier and Mount Adams.
799
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.039
For anyone who is screaming at us, just now, yeah, what.
800
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.199
Was scary about being Is it like super narrow knife
801
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:25.519
s edge when you're up there, or.
802
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.119
It's funny you say that it's got an area called
803
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.480
Capital's got an area called the knife's edge that is
804
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.800
complete exposure on both sides. It is just it is
805
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:36.880
like two inches of rock that then slant down in
806
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:41.599
each direction and the fall is thousands and thousands of feet.
807
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.119
Generally people rope up for that area, but you don't
808
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.199
have to. There's nothing as stationed. You're allowed to do
809
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:49.239
whatever you want, so you can just you could try
810
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:50.960
to balance on top of it and walk it. People
811
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.199
do that. People put their hands on it and then
812
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.599
shuffle their feet along one of the edges of it.
813
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.400
But yes, that one is one where there are a
814
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.280
few four No, I'll rephrase that, there are a lot
815
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.440
of fourteeners in Colorado. That you can do everything right
816
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.159
and something can still go wrong. You can be proficient
817
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:13.679
at climbing or or hiking, and just the type of
818
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.159
rocket is and everything, something can happen that you didn't
819
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:22.239
anticipate or weather wise, and capital is one of those.
820
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.039
I took Calleen up one Colleen and I did Castle
821
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.559
Peak and she is notoriously afraid of heights, and that
822
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:37.239
was a rough, rough hike for us, but she did it.
823
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.119
She can say she did a fourteener, and I think
824
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.559
she's she's there's amount of pride in that, I hope,
825
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:49.400
So I hope it was worth it. It was worth it. Yeah,
826
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it's there. There's a place called Mount Sopress, and you're
827
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.079
right near where I grew up and mount Sopress. We've
828
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.159
done like twenty times. Maybe it was with the first
829
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:03.360
climb I did with my dad, And it's so fun.
830
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.079
It's like an it's a you definitely feel some sus
831
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.360
accomplishment at the end. It's hard while you're doing it.
832
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.000
It's hard, like getting up timberline, getting into the areas
833
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.800
that are really steep inclines. You're like, oh, oh, I
834
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.960
forgot how difficult this is. And you get to the top,
835
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.840
you feel good, and honestly, it felt I would rather
836
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:21.760
do soapers now than any of the other fourteen ers
837
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:29.239
have tined. But anyway, so I have this property. Yeah,
838
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:30.960
I don't know what to do with it. It's very
839
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:32.679
exciting to just very exciting.
840
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.840
I can't wait to get some resolution from this story.
841
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.000
Yeah, I'll talk about on the podcast. I'll tell people
842
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.559
what it was and my plan, and hopefully my plan
843
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.519
will be, oh, you know what, it was so cool.
844
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.840
We're gonna build. Yeah, we're gonna build a summer cabin
845
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.639
and we're gonna go up there every summer, both families,
846
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.719
and we're gonna go live off the land kind of.
847
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:52.920
Yeah, we're gonna eat.
848
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:57.599
We're gonna go eat Pika absolutely and limigans little fuzzy
849
00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:58.960
little screaming meatballs.
850
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:00.159
That sounds wonder.
851
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.400
As I'm researching all of this, trying to figure out
852
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.320
how we're going to do it, the one thing that
853
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.280
I'm constantly charmed by is anyone from the Forest Service,
854
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:15.360
anyone from the county Assessor's office, or any of these places.
855
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.039
They are more than willing to talk to me on
856
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.119
the phone for as long as I want. When you
857
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:23.800
deal with small town time frames, oh, this is the
858
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.360
one time where it really benefits me where I need
859
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:28.440
their time. I don't understand what I'm doing. I need
860
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.280
all the help I can get, and they'll just sit
861
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.000
on the phone with me for forty five minutes. It's
862
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.840
just I don't know what they're doing before that or
863
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.239
after it. But when I call, I'm their top priority.
864
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:46.400
Actually I really love that. All right, Well, wish me lok.
865
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.039
I hope that we don't die. I've been on this
866
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:50.760
is not actually one of those trips. I've been on
867
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:54.320
trips before where I have said goodbye to Collie. Sure,
868
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:58.519
I've been like, I am a little worried about this one.
869
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.920
I'm but I have no one but but just owing
870
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.800
to my own clumsiness when I've done There's like a
871
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:11.960
very well populated hike in New Jersey called Giant Steps
872
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:18.480
that I This was uh before Shane and I started dating,
873
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:22.119
and I just told another friend of mine. I was like, hey, uh,
874
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:26.360
I just because I need to tell someone look for
875
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.400
a text for me in like three hours and if
876
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.599
you don't get one, I might be dead.
877
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.239
I'm pinned under a rock smo.
878
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.000
Yeah, as I'm doing a hike with like children and
879
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.760
dogs and stuff just because I'm idiot.
880
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:41.679
I did. Yeah, I did that trip once where we
881
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.559
were looking for that Anna so well Ancestral Pueblo City,
882
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:45.920
and I knew that I was gonna I was the
883
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.880
one who's going to be responsible for free climbing it.
884
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:51.000
And I was like, as I was preparing for that trip,
885
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.960
I told calling the night before, I'm I'm genuinely scared.
886
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:59.960
I I love you. I hope that I see you again.
887
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:02.360
This isn't one of those trips that you're doing.
888
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:03.719
This is not going to be one of those I
889
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.760
would not bring my kids on one of those trips.
890
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.599
This will just be just be fun, and it also
891
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.000
might be anticlimactic. It might be that we just can
892
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.199
drive the entire thing, and then we get there, we
893
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.280
look around there's like, well, fuck, there's nothing up here,
894
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.440
and then we don't know what else to do. But fortunately,
895
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:21.239
as I'm doing this research, I'm finding the towns that
896
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:25.079
are closest that have some actual stuff going on around them.
897
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.119
There's one that has what looks like a glacier and
898
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.320
then a couple of alpine lakes and stuff, and I'm like, oh,
899
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:33.400
we'll do some other hikes and things a fun trip. Yeah, yeah,
900
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.599
all right, Well that's it for us. Thank you for
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00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.079
listening to Quick Question with Sore and Daniel. If you
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liked our theme song that's by me Rex. If you
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that on YouTube. If you want to get more of
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You can become a Patreon subscriber, and we talk about
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other stuff in the Patreon stuff that's a little looser,
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a little more untucked. That makes it sound sexual. It's not.
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Usually it's not sexual.
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It's not.
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And if you like the show and you're like who
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put this together? Who fucking made this ship that's gave
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harder lady, and tellmen fucking made this ship Bye bye.
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I'll go to quick quick.
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Question for you. I want to hear your thoughts on
917
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know what's on your mind. I've got a quick quick
918
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question for the answers, not a quote, and I'm just
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bout the week and talk tonight.
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So what's your favorite did you get?
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Daniel? Have bro see best Friends in Comedy writ If
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there's an answer that I'm gonna find, I think.
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You have a great time. I think you have a
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great time.
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You