Paradigm Shift: The Lindsey Clancy Case Ripple Effect

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All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Paradigm Shift.
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I am, of course, Big Rob back again with Jesse.
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So absolutely, Jesse.
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How are you feeling, buddy?
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I'm ready to kick it off with this one.
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I know this was a uh another another loaded uh soda can here, right?
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Ready to burst, right?
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And um this case, you know, it's it's got parallels to Clancy, it's got its own unique nuance.
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Um, there's a lot going on here.
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So I think um I think I'm ready to go on this one.
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Did a little homework down the rabbit hole and uh ready to be uh spitting facts at you.
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Absolutely.
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So listen, if you if you don't know what we're talking about yet, we're talking about the Holly Leanne Flores case uh in North Lake Denton County, Texas.
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Now we're gonna be compared, we're gonna break down what this case is about.
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We're gonna break down the parallels to the Clancy case, and we're gonna kind of talk about you know, are we seeing um just a sign of these cases are gonna start to increase as a ripple effect of what's happened in the Clancy case, or was this already happening and it's just becoming popular or mainstream now being viewed because of the Clancy case?
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Interesting.
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So we're gonna dive into it, guys.
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Now, right off the hop, if you don't know about this case, uh so on October 6th, 2026, uh, this case is involving a 37-year-old Holly Leanne Flores, uh, as I said, in Texas.
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So what happened was, allegedly up to this point, uh, early that morning on October 6th, around 4:20, 4:30 a.m., uh, her husband, identified as Justin Hommel, about 33, 34 years old, called 911 saying his wife had a knife and had stabbed him, and that he was trying to reach their children in another room while she continued to attack him.
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Officers arrived within minutes at the home uh on the 1200 block, or you don't need to know their address, it doesn't matter.
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Uh, they found the husband outside the driveway holding the knife with blood on his forehead from his hand wound.
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He dropped the weapon and said his wife and kids were still inside.
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Police detained Flores, that's Holly.
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Um, she briefly tried to maneuver out of the handcuffs, so she gave him the old head fake.
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Right, trying to get away.
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Um, they heard children screaming from the back bedroom.
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They entered and found a three-year-old girl and a 10-month-old boy on the bed, conscious but covered in blood with deep puncture and stab wounds to the chest.
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The girl had stomach wounds.
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Medics treated them.
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All three victims, husband and both children, were hospitalized.
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Police described the injuries as not life-threatening.
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The children and husband were later released from the hospital.
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The children were placed with the Texas Department and Family of Family and Protective Services.
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Flores had a small cut on her chest, told medics she wanted to kill herself and no longer wanted to live, and invoked her rights to a lawyer.
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So the key details of this case right now uh from the arrest affidavit, so her husband's account, he had been sleeping on the couch due to recent changes in her behavior and to stay closer to the kids.
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Earlier that night, around 1 to 2 a.m., he awoke to the sound of lighter, of a lighter.
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Uh entered.
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He woke to the sound of a lighter, like like a flint being yeah, yeah, like a chick, chick, chick, chick.
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Is she using a lighter for a candle?
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I think is what the story is.
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Okay.
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Well, he entered the children's bedroom, saw her lighting a candle with a kitchen knife on the dresser.
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This concerned him, freaked him out in his words.
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They argued, she shut the door on him, and he went back to and he went back to sleep.
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Um wait, what?
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Okay, so hold up, hold up.
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Hold, hold up.
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What whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa at least see.
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So she's in the kid's bedroom lighting a candle at two o'clock in the morning with a kitchen knife on the dresser.
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Why is there a kitchen knife in the bedroom?
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Why is she in the bedroom?
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Yeah, um you just went back to bed.
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All right.
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All right.
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I digress.
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So she's she slammed the door.
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Uh sorry, uh, she opened where was I now?
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She shut the door on him and he went back to sleep.
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He later woke to the children crying, knocked on the door.
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Really?
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You're knocking?
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Because I got a key, it's called my foot.
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Yeah.
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Um, and when she opened the door, she attacked him with a knife, striking his forehead.
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That sounds painful.
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He took the knife during the struggle.
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Officers noted bite marks on his arm, and he called 911.
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On the call, he reportedly asked, uh, asked her if this was a postpartum thing.
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He told the police she had been dealing with postpartum depression and that her behavior had recently changed.
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The house had prior um welfare-related calls, about five since March, including concerns and overdoses.
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A neighbor reportedly saw the couple arguing the previous day.
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Flores faces two counts of attempted capital murder of a person under 10 and one of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
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She has been held in the uh Denton County jail on a combined$2 million uh surety bond,$1 million for each attempted capital murder uh count.
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No bond set yet for charges uh for attacking her husband with a weapon.
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The investigation was on uh is ongoing as of the latest available reports.
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These are allegations based on police reports, the 911 call, and the affidavit.
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She has not been convicted.
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Postpartum depression is cited as the husband's state in the husband's statement to investigators rather than a fully independent confirmed diagnosis.
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Uh, now this was the other day.
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Uh, so as of today, we have it was before I continue on.
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Do you have any thoughts you want to get into on that before I continue?
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Oh, I got some thoughts.
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Yeah, I got a couple thoughts.
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Got it! Okay, so leading up to this event, and and you kind of covered this, but let's let's really hammer home a few few points here.
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There were five uh police visits to this home.
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Five since March.
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Yeah, five visits, and uh one of those visits was based on the quote overdose.
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Apparently, it was her.
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We don't necessarily know what she overdosed on, but because of that, they created a uh uh child protective services file on this family, and they supposedly, I think, visited them as well.
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Okay, so the authorities by and large are kind of like well aware of the uh let's say drama, craziness, whatever was transpiring at this house, to the point that it happened five times those five major visits, and all five were from calls from within the house.
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It wasn't like the neighbors heard like chaos and craziness, and then they called it's from within the home that the police were called.
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Okay, so that's the first part of this.
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Um, you know, the second part of it is that supposedly he was sleeping on the couch, right?
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He was not sleeping in their bed, he was sleeping on the couch.
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And I mean, all of this sounds very volatile, right?
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Um, so he's sleeping on the couch.
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His story he is he wakes up at 1 to 2 a.m., sees her in the kids' room lighting the candle with the kitchen knife, and she shuts the door on him.
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And so his story is that he was concerned, but he went back to bed on the couch, right?
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So I have a hard time falling back to sleep if I'm concerned about anything.
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Same here, right?
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I mean, wouldn't you just be sitting there lying awake, like, wait a minute, what am I doing here?
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Or better yet, why is she in the kids' room with a kitchen knife at 2 a.m.?
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Right?
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Maybe I should be sleeping in the kids' room at this point.
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Well, it and one of the things that he has actually said, apparently, was that supposedly, in his words, he was sleeping on the couch to protect his kids.
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This this is one thing that he has said, okay.
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Now, he somehow goes back to bed on the couch and wakes up two hours later to the kids crying or screaming or something.
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And when he goes into the room, she takes the knife that she's been stabbing them with and stabs him in the forehead, right?
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And then apparently, in the him wrestling her for the knife, she bit his arm multiple times.
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And and this this is the crazy part, even crazier part to me, outside of the going back to bed from the first incident, right?
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Is apparently he got the knife and then went outside and called 911.
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Left her inside with the kids.
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Yes, and I mean, I I'm not a rocket scientist by any stretch of the imagination, but how many kitchens do you know that have more than one knife?
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No, not mine.
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We just got the one, just the one, right?
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Just the one, yeah.
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Yeah, and so his story here is that he took the knife from her, and so therefore he knew it was okay, and he he walked outside.
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Now, what he didn't do is take his kids with him, right?
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Another another kind of odd thing that I'm kind of noting here, a little bit of a red flag, is that so she's in the room with the children alone, right?
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Yeah, both children have stab wounds to the chest and stomach, but are labeled as non-threat non-life threatening by the hospital.
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Yeah, so how like what what was she doing then if the stab wounds were not life-threatening stab wounds?
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Like, does I don't know, does that make sense to you?
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She's alone in a room, has all the opportunity, time, space, and opportunity to you know to do whatever it is she wants to do to these kids, clearly, uh, you know, malicious intent.
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But the stab wounds are not life-threatening stab wounds.
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What were you just kind of poking them?
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Like, what I don't understand that part of it either.
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Does that make sense to you?
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No, and it and it makes me think about you say a quote kitchen knife.
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A kitchen knife could be a million different things, could be a butter knife, yeah.
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It could be a butter knife, it could be a cheese spreader, it could be a butcher knife.
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I mean, it could be your Mac Daddy chopper from Jap a Japanese knife, you know, like something like that.
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So, was she stabbing them with like a pairing knife?
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Like something that you know you'd peel a potato with or something, and that's why it's not life-threatening.
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Yeah, it's very odd.
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It's it's definitely stands out to me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know what I think in in this story is um I feel like it doesn't add up.
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Like it no like like his official story doesn't really make sense.
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And supposedly the story from her of like, yeah, I I just want to die now or whatever.
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What?
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Like, I I don't I I I'm not following how this thing adds up, you know.
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You know what my kind of initial reaction is, my where my mind kind of goes, just based on the little information we've dissected so far, what it seems like to me, is this is another case of a woman suffering from uh you know mental issues.
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She's she's having clearly she's having issues mentally, right?
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Yeah, um, you you have to to be poking children with kitchen knives, but it kind of just based on loosely what we've seen so far, it kind of seems like he was up to something and blaming her almost on her on her mental illness, because like like the fact that the the stab wounds on the children were not life-threatening, it's like he wanted to harm them and say it was her, but not but don't don't want to kill them, right?
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It's just that's odd.
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The fact that he left her inside with the children and came outside to the driveway with the knife.
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Like you said, you wouldn't do that to someone who was just stabbing your children, you wouldn't just leave them in the house and go outside unless you were the world's biggest coward, or the world's worst parent.
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That doesn't add up to me.
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Well, well, you know, his line about that he was sleeping on the couch to be more protective of them as their guardian, but then you're gonna leave her in the room alone with them, knowing that they're apparently covered in blood, they've been stabbed, you've seen the weapon, she literally stabbed you in the head with it, and then you're just gonna leave her in there with like you're not gonna take both kids in your arms and knock knock her out of the way and run out of the house.
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Like, what you just left them, yeah.
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Like, not only that, but wouldn't you be thinking as a man, like my children are in there right now, probably wondering, where's dad?
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Right?
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Why is he not here keeping us safe?
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You you you talk about your all-time like traumatic events, yeah.
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I mean, think about those kids, right?
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Mom is stabbing me, dad just ran out of the house.
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Thanks, Dad.
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What?
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Yeah, I mean, what?
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Like, where were you?
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What do you mean you just ran out of the house?
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Oh, I had to run outside to call 911.
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Why?
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No reception in the house.
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Yeah, you you couldn't call from inside the house, you couldn't throw her out of the room and lock the door and call 911.
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It doesn't add it, it's not adding up.
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Now, I don't want to be that guy like TikTok that jumped all over the Clancy case and just start blaming the husband.
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But this is what we've read so far is the husband's affidavit.
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This is his interpretation of what happened from his own mouth, and it doesn't fucking make sense.
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If I was a cop taking this affidavit, I'd be like, What?
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First of all, how did the the sound of a wick being struck on a lighter in another room with a closed door wake you up in another room?
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How did that wake you up?
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Yeah, that that doesn't really add up, right?
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There's so much that just doesn't make sense.
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Like, I don't know, it's it's odd.
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Like right now, let's I'm I'm just gonna assume that your wife is home and she's you know in another room or two rooms away or something like that.
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If she was to strike a lighter right now, would you hear it?
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Probably, probably probably is it quiet in your house?
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Well, we have we have a fairly wide house, so if if she was like on the polar opposite end, maybe not, but but again, he's saying he's in the living room.
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So the living room is like a central location, right?
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I mean, maybe you would hear it, but maybe not.
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I mean, I don't think I would personally, I could be wrong.
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Well, and think about this too.
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Was you know, we're we're kind of like under this assumption that he was peacefully sleeping, like he went to bed at 9 p.m., asleep, sound asleep on the couch.
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You know what I mean?
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What if it was more so like they were having some volatile rager of a fight, and he said, The hell with this, I'm going out to the couch, or she said, get out of here, go sleep on the couch, and then he's sleeping on the couch, right?
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Like we we we don't we don't really have any context here, and and I think I think in this whole story, like you know what it reminds me of is um when I was in college, I had a couple of different times in college where I had friends that were in like crazy volatile relationships, right?
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And I remember one of them was like one of my roommates, right?
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Like, I did home wait, a volatile relationship in college?
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No, exactly, right?
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This doesn't make sense.
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Yeah, I've I've I would never heard of this, right?
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Yeah, so I get I get home to our apartment, it's like you know, 2 a.m.
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or whatever, and he and his girlfriend would have these ragers, like screaming at each other, ragers, right?
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Just drama and just chaos.
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I remember opening the door, and they were like right in the hall, like literally right there.
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And I remember just kind of like bobbing around them, like like get out of the way, you know.
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Like I'm going to be am I making this awkward?
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Yeah, yeah, you know, just had to like do like a swim move around, you know, push them out of the way, you know, as they're raging back and forth and whatever.
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And so I go in my room, shut the door.
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I'm like, oh my god, you know, and so I I can hear them like chaos and things slamming and thuds and whatever, and I'm like, oh my god, you know?
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And so while I'm still there, like we lived on the first floor, right outside our windows was like the parking lot, right?
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And I remember I heard them then in the parking lot continuing screaming at the top of their lungs, you know, and then I I I hear uh something about like he took her phone and give me back my phone.
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I'm not giving you your phone, you know, and and then it's like gimme my phone, and then he like slams the phone.
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You broke my phone, you know, just like pure chaos, right?
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And he was with her for like that, was like his long-term girlfriend in college, right?
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So yeah, yeah.
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So I mean, I I I I've seen these like volatile relationships.
00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:45.200
I had another friend that he was in one where it was like the volatile relationship, and then they'd have the makeup sex that was like on another level because they hated each other so explosively that then they'd have like the most amazing sex of their life, and then and then it would just repeat, right?
00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:53.440
It it repeat like a couple times a week that they hated each other's guts, and then they'd work it out, and then they hated each other's guts again, you know.
00:20:53.599 --> 00:21:02.640
And so my point is that it feels like this relationship was probably never even keeled.
00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:26.799
Like I get the impression here that there has always been drama in this relationship, and this I almost I almost get the feeling that this like postpartum psychosis depression is kind of like like an attorney's leap to to explain something when really it's just a chaotic drama-filled relationship, you know.
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:34.400
Well, I I find it interesting that the postpartum depression was brought up by him.
00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:38.880
That's that's interesting.
00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.119
At this point, it's been brought up by him.
00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.599
Again, we've only duled uh we've only doped into his account so far, right?
00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:48.319
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.400
So I find that interesting.
00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:56.880
Um but so far things are definitely not adding up, in my opinion.
00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.119
Uh, but continuing on.
00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:10.400
So, as of the latest available reporting, um uh Holly remains in custody.
00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:16.640
She faces two counts of attempted capital murder, as we know, uh, on persons under 10.
00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:27.200
I didn't know, like, is there is there like a worse conviction for for trying to stab a minor, trying to kill a minor?
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.000
Like, I don't understand why it's a different charge.
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:31.920
The charge is very specific.
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:41.680
Uh, attempted capital murder of a person's under 10, as opposed to attempted murder in general.
00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.319
What's I what's the difference between those two?
00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:50.079
If if I had to guess, I would I would first say this is Texas.
00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:50.640
Okay.
00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.680
So in Texas, I mean, the the the Rangers, right?
00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:57.039
I mean, the law, right?
00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.720
Like they wanna they're big on this stuff in Texas.
00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:14.640
And so, I mean, there's definitely laws in place, and there probably are higher penalties if you were to try to kill a kid versus killing an adult, you know, and that's that's probably what they're really hitting right there.
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:24.160
And you know, what's interesting is they haven't even filed the charge uh with him yet, which is kind of again like why not?
00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:32.640
Like, do they think this is this like just a crazy domestic fight back and forth?
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:39.039
But ironically, you know, I had read on this that um I read about the bite marks all over him, right?
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:44.079
And this obviously she tried to stab him in the forehead, which is just insane.
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:50.319
Um, but supposedly with her, I think he read like she only had like one little cut, right?
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:58.319
Like she she wasn't black and blue, it's not like he hit her or any, there's no evidence of any of this stuff, you know.
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:08.640
But the fact that the police haven't filed the charge for her assault on him, that's kind of weird, isn't it?
00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:12.160
Absolutely, absolutely maybe they're still investigating it.
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:13.119
I don't know.
00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:25.119
But uh on your screen right now, if you are over on the Patreon and you are watching the video version of the podcast, um, we have a picture of her up on the screen right now, her mugshot.
00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:34.799
Uh now I haven't seen a photo of her outside of her mugshot, but Jesse, you were saying that she's actually quite an attractive woman outside of like aesthetically, right?
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:36.799
Her and him, both of them.
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.039
They're they're a good-looking couple, period.
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:43.759
Like if you saw them at the mall, you would think, oh, they shop at somewhere nice, you know.
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:49.839
Like, like they legitimately look like if if they were at your high school, they'd be the popular kids, right?
00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:52.160
So like they they definitely take care of themselves.
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:53.519
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.720
Now, obviously, this is a mugshot, so she looks terrible in it.
00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:02.000
But the point is, is when you see the other photos, they they're actually a pretty good-looking couple.
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:03.599
Their kids are good looking kids.
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:12.079
I mean, this is not like this is not the group that you would expect would have something like this going on, you know.
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:14.160
Yeah, well, absolutely.
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:15.440
Absolutely.
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:30.079
Um, so continuing on, uh, as of today, which is October 21st, 2026, uh, the top 10 takeaways from this case as of right now.
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.160
So let's dive into these a little bit.
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:33.039
Yeah.
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:39.039
Um, so number one on the list, early morning alleged attack on the family.
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:46.559
So on October 6th, 2026, we know around 4:20 a.m., police responded to the family's home, blah blah blah.
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.200
Um, after her husband called 911.
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:56.640
So we've kind of dissected number one already, and there's a lot of things that just are not adding up as we've kind of gone through.
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:58.319
So we'll jump to number two.
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Victims and injuries, the husband, uh Justin Hamel, 34, had the head injury.
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.640
I'm curious, I don't know why I'm curious, I'm just curious.
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.160
So she stabbed she she I don't know, was it a slash?
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:14.400
Was it a stabbing motion when she came at him?
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.960
She because it says like he she hit him in the head with the knife and he was bleeding from the head, yeah.
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:19.200
Right?
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.799
When he was outside, he had blood on his on his hands from his head wound.
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.799
Like, did she try to stab him in the face or something, or was it a slash?
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:35.359
Like, I don't know why my mind goes to that, but it's it's just odd because you don't hear should you know, I have a head, I have a wound on my head from a knife.
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.440
Like, man, she must have really been mad at you to try to stab you in the head.
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:40.319
Yeah.
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:48.079
If if you um if you can find a picture of the two of them together, he's significantly taller than her.
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:53.599
Like he he looks like he's probably like six three, if not taller.
00:26:53.759 --> 00:27:01.039
Like he he's a tall guy, and she's probably you know, five, five, four, five, five, something like that.
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:07.920
So for her to stab him in the forehead, that that's to me that almost sounds like a windmill.
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:17.279
Like, you know, the windmill reach, like you really reached up and you just popped him right in the forehead with this pairing knife or whatever you had, you know.
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.839
Well, um, yeah.
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.920
I mean, here's a here's a photo again.
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:29.759
If you're watching over on the Patreon, uh, I am putting up photos right now of the two of them together.
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:32.240
He is significantly taller than her.
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:37.200
Yeah, she looks if if she's five five, he's gotta be six two.
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.240
At least he look he almost looks a full foot taller than her, right?
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.359
Yeah, and he's kind of slouching in this picture, too.
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:46.480
He is, yeah.
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.079
So, but you're you're absolutely right, and you know what, they're a young couple too.
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:54.799
I mean, they they gotta be like mid-30s, maybe.
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.799
Well, I I think they said she was 37 and he's 34.
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.799
So yeah, they're in their 30s.
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:02.400
Uh, they're young.
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.920
Uh, they're they're a good-looking couple, they have good looking kids.
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:10.160
Like, it's it's not what you would you wouldn't expect this.
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:18.960
And especially, you know, like, you know, I talk about this a lot of what's going on in front of the curtain versus what's going on behind the curtain.
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:25.440
And I and it kind of looks like this is one of these groups that in front of the curtain, they look like they're batting a thousand, right?
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:27.759
Like everything is going great for this group.
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.000
Young family, two kids.
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.960
Um, even I I even saw a picture of their house.
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.920
They they got like a three-car garage.
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.319
I mean, they're doing well, they're doing well.
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:49.440
It looks like everything's going well, but then behind the curtain, apparently there was a ton of drama based on the five different police visits, you know.
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:59.519
Yeah, you you can kind of tell as well, just based on what you everything you just said, and looking at them, there's probably quite a bit of domestic violence going on in the home.
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.279
There's something, something's off.
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:09.519
And I and I don't know if it's from her to him, or if it if it is him to her, or I don't know.
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:14.000
There's there's a really weird kind of domestic violence angle in this thing.
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.920
Now, this is me just being judgmental, but I think it's probably both of them.
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:27.200
They're probably just a volatile, like your like your college roommate and his, you know, his his girlfriend or whatever, just just toxic together, right?
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:28.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.000
Uh charges against Holly, so a 37-year-old again.
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.759
She faces two counts of attempted capital murder of a person's under 10, blah blah blah.
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.200
So those are the charges.
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:50.960
Um she also had a cut on her upper chest, but they don't say whether that's self-inflicted or not.
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:51.680
Yeah.
00:29:54.079 --> 00:30:00.000
She did say she wants to die, but why would you cut your chest if you wanted to die?
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.319
You figured the first thing she would do is go for the wrist.
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:05.119
Yeah.
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:16.799
Yeah, yeah, you know, I kind of feel like this one is like I've I feel like there's an undercurrent of a volatile relationship steadily blowing up, right?
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.359
And it's blowing up with each of these incidents.
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:24.880
And this is a full blast knock, knockout, drag out fight between the two of them.
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:30.400
And the kids are almost in this thing, I feel like they're sort of like collateral damage.
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.000
Like they just happen to be there.
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:32.960
So, you know what?
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.880
You know, we're doing, you know, you're getting a little bit too.
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:56.720
But you know, like in one of the things I was reading about this postpartum psychosis, is that typically the mom will harm the children because she's in her mind, she's protecting them from the spouse, is typically the way the psychology is working in this thing.
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:03.680
So in her mind, when she was stabbing her three-year-old and her 10, I mean, this is just insane to think about.
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.599
She's stabbing a three-year-old and a 10-month-old in the chest.
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.920
But in her mind, she's thinking she's keeping them safe from him.
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:13.599
That's what she's thinking.
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.200
I don't know how those those wires cross in them in the mind.
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.799
It's but the mind is a is a mysterious thing, right?
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.440
So the high bond is number four.
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:35.200
Um, a magistrate set a$1 million surety bond for each of the two attempted murder cases, but no bond yet has been set for for the aggravated assault with a weapon on her husband.
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:36.240
Maybe that's why.
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.319
Maybe they don't want someone to pay the bond.
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.079
I guess maybe you can't let her out if there's no no bond set yet for that charge.
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.279
Maybe that's a possibility.
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.720
They want to keep her in to have her examined.
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:50.799
Indefinitely, maybe.
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:57.519
Um it's probably their way of prolonging, you know, because once once you like, okay, this is the bond for that.
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.200
Now someone can come and pay it, she can get out.
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:06.079
Maybe it's their way of saying we need to find a way to keep her off the streets so we can have her diagnosed and examined and stuff like that.
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.400
I would imagine possible.
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:20.640
Yeah, you know what I would be really interested in hearing in this case is I would be interested in hearing from the friends and family just about their relationship in general and what have you observed and the neighbors, right?
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:25.839
Like, like, like what is everybody in the periphery seen with this group?
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:34.640
And and you know, like even with the bond, like does does she come from a wealthy family that could even afford a two million dollar bond?
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.480
Like, you know, I mean, think about this.
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:44.559
Like, if if you're gonna like liquidate everything you own to get her out of jail and she literally just stabbed her kids, why the hell would you do that?
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.240
You know, I'd be like, maybe not, maybe not.
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:54.559
Yeah, um, another thing that I find odd is that this happened on October 6th, it's the 21st as of today.
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:02.640
No judge or nobody has has ruled that she needs any kind of psychiatric evaluation.
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:13.440
So there's nothing that I've read so far that has implied that she has been ordered to see any kind of mental evaluation whatsoever.
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:26.559
Yeah, and and that's that's a fantastic point because if you were comparing this to Clancy, Clancy herself was the one reaching out, reaching out, reaching out constantly.
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:34.480
She even took herself to the mental institution and checked in, you know, without her husband, he didn't do shit, right?
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.440
He never, I don't even think he picked her up or anything, you know.
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:49.599
And remember, in that case, it was like even when she got out of the mental institution after being there for the whole weekend, he told her to like go to Party City and get some supplies for the birthday party, you know, like what?
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:59.119
You know, whereas in this case, there's no documented reach out to to meant a mental facility in any way, shape, or form.
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:06.319
And there's nothing apparently from her other than this potential suicide attempt.
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:13.840
So why is she attempting to well alleged there's not even really officially a suicide attempt?
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.880
There was a little bit of a cut on her upper chest.
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.039
Uh, she just told the police she didn't want to live anymore.
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.320
No, this is different.
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:26.639
The suicide attempt is different from the actual incident, it was an overdose.
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:27.360
Oh, right.
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:29.199
Okay.
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:29.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.559
And supposedly it was her, the overdose.
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.039
Now, what she overdosed on, we don't know, right?
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.679
Um, postpartum depression context.
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:50.159
According to the arrest's affidavit uh and the husband's statements, Holly had been dealing with postpartum depression.
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:56.480
Her behavior had recently changed, and there was a heated argument the day before on the call 911 call.
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.159
The husband reportedly asked if it was a postpartum thing.
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.400
She told uh she also told medics she no longer wanted to live.
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.280
Now, here's another thing that we're not getting any clarity on yet.
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.599
So her husband stated that this was a postpartum depression thing.
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:22.880
Now, is that him Google diagnosing her, or was she actually medically diagnosed with postpartum depression?
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:31.840
That is unclear as well, because we know how people love to throw diagnoses out there uh because we have Google on our phones now, right?
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:40.000
Yeah, and and it going back to Clancy, in that one, she talked to multiple psychiatrists.
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:50.239
In this case, at least so far, we don't have any evidence of her talking to psychiatrists, even uh pharmaceuticals.
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.079
We don't really know what she may or may not have been taking.
00:35:54.480 --> 00:36:02.800
And like you said, who actually designated her with the postpartum depression diagnosis?
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:08.800
Uh, really, it sounds like the only place that that actually came from was the husband.
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:23.119
Um I'm looking up right now if I can find any indication that she was on any kind of medications or seeing any kind of a uh psychiatrist.
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:32.880
Yeah, and and I I would say also, I kind of went down the rabbit hole with this this morning, this diagnosis.
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.880
So there's two different parts of this.
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.079
There is postpartum depression.
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:54.639
So what that basically means is that um she recently had a baby, and they say that postpartum depression kicks in within a few days of the birth or within about two to four weeks, but they say it can go for that whole first year.
00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:00.639
And so, you know, my question when I first read that was I I thought, well, wasn't this kid 10 months old?
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.559
And and again, just like in Clancy, I think the kid was right around that same age, also, around 10 months or so.
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:13.840
So similar age range, but with postpartum depression, it apparently comes on right away.
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:24.000
And it has to do with the mom's feeling of, I think there's like a sadness that the baby is not responding to her, right?
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:25.679
It's not receptive to her, right?
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:27.599
Like that's where this kind of comes from.
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:37.519
Now, the crazy thing with this, and and this kind of expands beyond what we previously talked about with Clancy, is postpartum psychosis.
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:38.079
Okay.
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:45.599
So in this one, it it affects a very small sliver of women who've given birth.
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:53.280
And basically in postpartum psychosis, this is when supposedly it's it's hormone related.
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:59.199
Uh, they can be having auditory or visual hallucinations.
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:08.159
So remember, we talked about that in Clancy that no, you'd have to be schizophrenic to hear the voice that says, kill the kids and then you can kill yourself, right?
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:15.519
But in this one, um, you know, if we were going down that same path, what did she hear a voice?
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:17.280
There's no evidence of that.
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:25.599
She she's never publicly said that she heard a voice that told her to her harm the children and stab her husband in the head or, you know, whatever.
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:55.440
Like, so there's there's no evidence, but what I was gonna say was with postpartum psychosis, apparently from that, they then go even further into Candyland, and they say that a small percentage, about 25% of the women who are diagnosed with postpartum psychosis, also are then diagnosed with bipolar disorder and or schizophrenia, aka hearing voices.
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:04.320
Well, so far, and I want to remind everybody listening or watching that we're very in the in very, very early stages of the case.
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:18.880
So there's gonna be probably multiple multiple videos coming out as this case kind of unravels, but as it stands right now, there is no public confirmation that she was on any sort of medications whatsoever, seeing any kind of psychiatrist at all.
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:32.320
Uh, the only uh the only substance to postpartum depression is her husband saying she's suffering from postpartum depression in his affidavit, and her husband is not her physician.
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.079
So just that to clear that up, right?
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.679
There is no clarity on that yet.
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.800
There may be in a in a future episode, right?
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:46.079
This stuff does tend to come to the surface as the case kind of uh unfolds, right?
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:54.079
Uh all victims released from hospital uh two days later.
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.800
So it took two days to get released from the hospital on October 8th.
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.880
The husband and both children had been released from Fort Worth Hospital.
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:07.039
The children were placed obviously in um protective services where they remain.
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:10.639
I'd like clarity on that too.
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.639
Why why are they being held away from the husband?
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:28.400
For me, that that falls back into what you were talking about with the relationship as a whole, and having five different times the police summoned to their address, probably domestic disturbances, domestic violence.
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:40.719
Um I'm not convinced that they don't suspect the husband of foul play as well, which is probably why the children are not in his custody either.
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:43.199
Yeah.
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.519
I mean, the listen, the children have stab wounds, some of this stuff doesn't add up.
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.400
Husband's outside, leaves the wife inside with the, you know, he's outside with the knife.
00:40:52.719 --> 00:41:02.320
Um it kind of feels the feel I'm getting from it is that they're not convinced of what actually happened, so they're keeping the children away from both of them.
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:11.440
Yeah, it it it kind of says to me there there maybe is like a sliver of doubt here because I mean, think about if we just flip this on its head, right?
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:17.119
They're having a volatile fight, whatever it is, another chaotic thing in the house.
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.000
Um he comes out of the house with the knife.
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:26.159
Now he says he was fighting her for the knife, and that's when she bit him.
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:32.480
But was that true, or did she bite him in a different instance or a different thing that happened, right?
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.800
Yeah, and and then think about this.
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:40.800
I mean, he came out of the house with the weapon, he has the weapon.
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:42.960
You have two stabbed kids.
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.239
There's no video, as far as I'm aware.
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:47.280
Maybe there is a video.
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:48.559
Actually, you know what?
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:58.639
Uh, in some of the camera angles, um, sorry, not camera angles, some of the pictures that are out there online, there do almost look like like camera angles.
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:03.519
Like there, there might be some camera shots from in the house of this thing, possibly.
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:11.440
Um, but anyway, going back to just playing devil's advocate here, I mean, he came out of the house.
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:19.840
It that it's a house that's known, it's got a track record of domestic violence, whatever that might be, whoever caused it, who knows?
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.039
But it's there.
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.039
He came out, he has the knife.
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:24.559
There's two stabbed kids.
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:31.840
He doesn't seem to have any regard for the welfare of the kids to leave them there with her.
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:38.559
But then equally, when she came out, she didn't say he stabbed them, she didn't say she stabbed them.
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.599
She simply said, You know, I don't want to live anymore.
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.599
Like, I'm done, you know.
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.679
Yeah, interesting, interesting.
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.079
More loose ends, yeah.
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:51.840
More loose ends.
00:42:52.239 --> 00:43:06.639
Uh, prior to police contact, prior police contact, as we've kind of dissected already, the residents had a history of prior calls involving the welfare concerns and overdoses reported as multiple calls since and that's another reason, too.
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:15.840
If it was her that you know tried the overdose, clearly there is some sort of mental and emotional abuse going on as well.
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:17.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:27.920
I I get the impression in this case that there's something that he did, or something.
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:35.440
There's something there, some issue, or again, I don't know what his job is, but it looks like they live in a pretty nice house.
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.159
So I'm assuming he's doing well.
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.400
Maybe there was some sort of issue or some affair or something, something.
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:44.960
I don't know.
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:59.440
It feels like there's something there that hasn't been said that is why she's so pissed off at him, and and to be like volatile, pissed off to the point of actually harming the kids.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.320
Yeah, again, uh the postpartum, right?
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.360
I'm I'm gonna harm the kids so that he's not around them.
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.519
That tells me that there's gotta be something more here.
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:16.800
And I feel like, like you said, I think the investigators know there's something more, and they haven't said that publicly.
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.199
Well, of course, it's not their first rodeo, right?
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:29.440
And when when things don't add up, you know, there's probably a handful of scenarios on how things play out and how things usually uh end up being.
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:35.920
And some of these things I'm I'm sure they're looking at going, uh, that's not normal, right?
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:44.000
For what they see on a day-to-day basis, it's like uh, why would you like you just said, why would you leave the kids inside with her?
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:45.679
That's not adding up.
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.199
Any any investigator worth their salt is that alone is a red flag.
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:58.880
It's like, what you left her inside the house with the kids, and you're outside in the driveway with the no.
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.760
Well, and and think about this too.
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:09.199
Like, you said that they got out of the all three of them, the dad and both kids, all got out of the hospital within two days.
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:10.880
Two days, right?
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:16.159
I mean, that is a very fast hospital turnaround.
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:26.480
So if it was only two days, that tells me that whatever those kids were stabbed with wasn't deep enough to actually hit any organs at all.
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.960
So it's like, yeah, there's punctures, but but it's light, right?
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:38.639
It's it's not like they were stabbed with like, you know, the world, like the crocodile dundeed, you know, that's not a knife, this is a knife, you know.
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:40.719
It's not like they were stabbed with that knife, right?
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:47.039
I mean, whatever they were stabbed with, to be in and out of the hospital that fast is kind of weird.
00:45:47.119 --> 00:46:00.400
And then the other thing, you know, you talk about her, that she supposedly has this slash on her on her chest or this light slash or whatever, but there's no evidence of her attempting to legitimately kill herself.
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.239
Like again with Clancy, Clancy slit her own neck.
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:14.079
Now, granted, she didn't do it deep enough, but she slit her own neck and then she jumped out the window, landing on her head, landing head first, yeah, and is paralyzed.
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.719
This girl didn't do any of that.
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.880
Okay, so this is the representation of the knife that was used.
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.880
Uh, again, if you're watching over on the Patreon, you can see the video.
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:28.320
I'm providing a picture.
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.480
This is the knife used.
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:34.480
So that that doesn't add up.
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.039
Yeah, that is a fucking butcher knife.
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.119
That's a butcher knife, that's a massive knife.
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:40.400
That's like a chef knife.
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:45.920
The knife's probably longer than her three or her youngest child there, right?
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.360
Like in in in length.
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:53.920
If you wanted to kill somebody with that knife, it would not be hard, especially a 10-month-old or a three-year-old, right?
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:56.159
But look at the look at the tip though.
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:05.039
It does come to a very, very small point at the tip that does look realistic, uh, of smaller punctures, right?
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:20.719
Possibly, you know, but but again, it's almost like if she was doing that to the kids, she was doing it light enough that she she wasn't fully going through with it, you know what I mean?
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:22.559
Which doesn't make any sense.
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.039
What you're either like you're either fucked or you're not, you can't be half pregnant, yeah.
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:27.760
Right.
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:29.840
So what like what are you doing?
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:30.880
That's one way to put it.
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.079
Yeah, like you're you're you're stabbing them or you're not, right?
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.960
Yeah, this this doesn't make sense.
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.800
No, this this, yeah, that's that's very and again.
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:46.239
Okay, now that we're seeing the knife, and and for the people listening, this is like a chef knife, right?
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:51.039
Like it's it's a legit chef knife, it's on a cutting board, you know.
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.440
If that's the knife, let's go back to his story, right?
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:59.199
He wakes up between 1 and 2 a.m.
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:08.239
She's in the kids' room, flicking the lighter, and she has a chef knife on the dresser.
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.079
A chef knife.
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.840
And you you look at her and you go, you think, Boy, that's weird.
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:14.800
What are you doing?
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.760
And then you get in a further fight, and then she shut the door and you went to bed.
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:31.280
Yeah, so not only did you see her with a knife in the kid's room at two in the morning, you then proceeded to piss her off to the moment where she slammed the door and you and they're like, My job's done here.
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.039
I'm going back to bed, right?
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:43.519
And and then at four in the morning, you wake up and you you you hear the kids crying, you go in the room, she comes at you with that freaking knife.
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.199
I mean, that that's a hell of a knife.
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.920
Like, if she windmilled that thing into his forehead, my god, like, holy cow.
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.440
Something else that I that just kind of popped up in my head when you said that.
00:48:53.599 --> 00:49:05.599
So at between one and two o'clock in the morning was the initial uh interaction where she was in the room flicking the lighter, you know, butcher knife on on the on the dresser in the children's room.
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.440
They got into the argument.
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.280
Let's call it the latest two o'clock, because it says between one and two in the morning.
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.400
So let's call it the latest two o'clock.
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.719
He then goes back to bed.
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.880
It took her two hours.
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.199
What was she doing in those two hours?
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.760
Because he woke up again at four to hear the children crying.
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.480
What was she doing between two and four?
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:31.679
Who knows?
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.559
Like, does that not raise an eyebrow too?
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.800
Like, what was she thinking about what she was gonna do?
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:40.400
Because that would show intent.
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:48.400
Well, right, and you know, at 10 months, she should be breastfeeding uh the baby, even if it's in the middle of the night, right?
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.639
I mean, you're up all night long when you have a baby.
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:57.519
But I guess I guess the point I'm kind of driving at is that two hours went by.
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:02.239
You had the knife in the bedroom at that point, so you kind of knew what you're you kind of knew what you were doing.
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:08.159
Can you really blame postpartum depression for something you very clearly spent hours planning?
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:14.800
This wasn't like Lindsay Clancy, where it was all kind of uh even that she kind of planned that she planned that too, yeah.
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:19.280
So I can't use that, but doesn't that I don't know, it just strikes me as odd, doesn't it?
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:20.320
Does it strike you as odd?
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:24.239
You you spent at least hours planning this, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:36.079
And again, for the kids to have multiple puncture wounds, just like in the case of Clancy strangling each child, like this took hours, you know.
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:42.320
There was hours that went into this, and who knows how much more she was thinking about it beforehand.
00:50:42.400 --> 00:51:01.599
And and again, you know, something else here is the fact that they're not deep stab wounds with a knife like that kind of tells me that she probably didn't want to stab them, but she did because she hates his guts and she's gonna protect them from him.
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.079
I I really want to just the same thing I did with the Clancy case.
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:07.679
I really want for perspective.
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:22.400
Sometimes you have to slow things down for a second and really think about something, and there's something in this moment I want people to really stop and think about, and that is there were multiple puncture wounds, stab wounds on these children, both children.
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:28.480
What that means is that the children were not sleeping through these stab wounds, right?
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:39.360
These children were crying to their mother while she was stabbing them repeatedly, one child, and then moving on to the next child and doing the same thing.
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:45.280
And it's important to understand the depth of the scenario here, just like in the Clancy Keith.
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:59.199
This took time and this took the cold, callous ability to withstand the uh pleas from your own children for you to stop, right?
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:14.320
And I think it's I just I say that because I think it's important because people tend to glaze over skip what the victim went through in these kinds of cases, um you know, to to jump to their own conclusion about what may or may not have happened.
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:20.880
And I think it's important that the children, the children suffered this, and that's important.
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:22.880
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:30.719
And and and think about this like she stabbed them, yes, as far as we're aware, right?
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:37.039
But in a light way, she very easily could have just slashed their necks with a knife that big.
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.039
I mean, and that that would have been that, right?
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:54.559
But she didn't do that, she didn't do it in a way that shows malice, whereas when he came into the room, she windmilled and popped him right in the forehead with the world's biggest chef knife, right?
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.199
I mean, think about that.
00:52:58.719 --> 00:52:59.599
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.079
I mean, yeah, you know, you talk about malice.
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.559
Who who's she mad at in this situation?
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.159
Oh, it's definitely him.
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:15.119
She tried to stab him in the head, and that is something that uh that crime uh you know, crime scene analysts and stuff like that, they do dissect that.
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.280
So it's it I like that you brought that up.
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.000
The the emotion that you can detect in a crime, right?
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:41.119
The the crime against her children does tend to lean more towards a compassionate, you know, I don't want to do this kind of a crime, whereas you know, the assault on her husband was full out, you know, like it's brutality, oh yeah.
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:42.559
She wants fatality.
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.639
Yeah, you know, she was there was rage in that attack.
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:51.440
Yeah, if if she could have decapitated him, she probably would have, right?
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.960
You don't try to stab someone in the head to wound them.
00:53:56.239 --> 00:54:03.760
Yeah, I mean, my my entire life, I've never once thought about grabbing a chef knife and stabbing somebody in the head in a fit of rage, right?
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:04.559
Yeah.
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:13.119
Um, but equally, think about this, and then take it one step further and say, what about her being quote suicidal?
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:18.960
Is there any evidence at all of her being suicidal on this evening?
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:29.920
Like, yeah, you could go back to that earlier, quote, overdose, whatever that was, and say maybe that was an attempt, maybe, but it equally could have just been an accident for all we know.
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:34.480
But when you look at it in this case, she's got a knife that big.
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.480
Why didn't she slit her own throat with it?
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:40.079
You know, she easily could have killed herself with that knife, no question.
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.960
Well, and that's that's that's what I'm wondering.
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:51.360
In this, is that you know, there's no in the in this night, the night in question, there was no attempt on herself, yeah.
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:52.239
Right?
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.280
Um, so number eight, we have the sequence from the affidavit.
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:03.280
The husband reportedly worked earlier in the night, uh, saw the kitchen knife, uh sorry, woke earlier.
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:14.079
Sorry, he woke earlier in the night, saw the kitchen knife on the dresser, and Holly lighting a candle, argued what and was locked out of the bedroom.
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:23.039
He later woke to the children crying, as we talked about, was attacked while trying to reach them, uh, and fled outside while calling down my wife.
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:26.719
That's another part that kind of is weird to me.
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:42.639
Because well, I guess it goes in line with what you're talking about with a lot of times these postpartum things where where the mother harms the children, she's protecting them from the the father or the you know her her significant other.
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:48.320
Um he's the wording in the affidavit is very specific.
00:55:48.639 --> 00:56:02.880
She attacked him while he was trying to reach the children, not he opened the door and she attacked him, he she attacked him when he went to reach the children.
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:08.079
Okay, so there's a distinction there.
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.039
Let's talk this out, you and I, right?
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.800
We're both fathers.
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:17.760
If you had this scenario happen to you, it's 4 a.m.
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:47.119
Your kid is crying, you look in the room, they're covered in blood, you go in there to reach them, your wife comes out of nowhere and stabs you in the head with the world's greatest chef knife, and you're just gonna wrestle with her for the knife while she's supposedly biting your arm, and then you're gonna run outside without ever harming her in any way, shape, or form, right?
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:50.079
You're just gonna run outside and you're gonna leave the kids there.
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.719
I love my wife.
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:54.239
I want to preface that.
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:58.480
Okay, so you know when I start like that, it's going down, right?
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:09.440
But she's not gonna be conscious for this situation to play out at this point.
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:17.679
My children are stabbed, she has the knife, she's in the room alone, she's coming at me, she's going to sleep until the police arrive.
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:22.239
I'm not leaving that bedroom, I'm not leaving my children's side.
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:26.559
The police will have to drag me away from my children's side at that point.
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:37.599
Because I think that I would be in a in a in a state of um irrationality where no one's coming near my kids at this point.
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:38.960
Right?
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:45.599
You're just your your protective instincts are kicking in, and everyone, anyone, everyone's getting these hands, right?
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:46.480
I don't know.
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:47.679
What do you think?
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:53.360
I I just had a vision of uh I don't know if you saw this story a couple weeks back.
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.760
There was some asshole on a plane, and he starts mouthing off and yelling at everybody.
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.480
He went full belligerent and said all this shit.
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:13.119
And there was a picture of him duct taped to the airplane seat, like duct taped around his head and his his whole chest and everything, you know, like like somebody that gets like saran wrapped to a telephone pole.
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:14.960
You know, it was like the same thing, right?
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.679
Duct tape, and and you could you could see he was still talking shit, you know, whatever.
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:25.119
Um that that's that's kind of what I think of here, like right, like so.
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.719
This is completely insane, completely volatile.
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:35.280
You're telling me that you're just gonna run outside and make a phone call.
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:45.280
You're not gonna like rip her out of the room, throw her in a bathroom, lock the door, hold the door, tell her she's insane, yell through the door.
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.679
Again, like domestic violence type stuff, right?
00:58:47.760 --> 00:59:02.559
Like, you're not gonna like try to get her out of the kid's room and throw her somewhere else, whether you know it's duct tape, or you're even you just holding the door shut and telling her to calm down and she's on the other side of the bathroom door, like something like that.
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:04.960
You're not doing any of this stuff.
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:12.320
You're also not picking up your children, which as a grown man, I mean, he's he looks like a big dude.
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:28.239
He could easily pick up both kids in one arm if he wanted to, and straight up, you know, uh OJ Simpson run right through the door, you know, running back style, knock her down, and out he goes to the truck and they peel out and leave, right?
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.880
Absolutely, but he didn't do that either.
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:42.000
No, there's no way a man his size would be scared of her to the point where he's outside in the driveway and leaving her in there with the like, how did he know she's not in there smothering the children with a pillow or something?
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:42.800
What the hell?
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:57.440
Yeah, like like you know what this makes me think like, is he just kind of like like the big dope, and she's just like volatile and passionate and highly emotional.
00:59:57.679 --> 00:59:59.519
Is that what's going on here?
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.280
Possibly.
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:15.440
They do tend to give that that type of an impression, but either way, um, we will stay on top of this case, and we will as soon as there is uh any kind of an update on the case.
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:17.840
There's no court dates set or anything, obviously, yet.
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:22.800
I mean, her her bonds haven't even been set yet for the aggravated assault.
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:29.840
She has not seen any kind of I would think that it's gonna have to be mandatory she sees some sort of psychiatric evaluation.
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You you don't fucking stab children and get a pass on checking to see if you're okay mentally or not.
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I'm like, what?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So let me ask you then, and then I'll kind of give you my thought.
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Where do you land on this?
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Do you think this is a simple domestic violence situation that escalated to the point of this chaotic thing that occurred?
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Uh or are do you think postpartum depression andor postpartum psychosis plays a role here?
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The impression I get based on the limited information we have right now is I don't trust this fucking guy.
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Right?
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I don't trust this guy.
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I think that we have a woman that probably is suffering from postpartum depression, maybe other mental issues as well.
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She'd have to have other mental issues as well, in my opinion.
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And I I think that there is an air, there is a smell in the air of him taking advantage of that, and he did some shit.
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I don't think this was, I don't think that this story that he's telling is anywhere close to the whole story.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I I get that impression too.
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Yeah, I I I I think you know, like the story that he's telling is that he's the victim, right?
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I just woke up and got stabbed in the head.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, I was just sleeping on the couch, and then I heard this at two.
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Why are you sleeping on the couch in the first place?
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Right?
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Like what yeah, what what happened, you know?
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Like, why why are you out there in the first place?
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I mean, what what led to those five other police calls?
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You know, again, this is a house that has a track record of domestic violence, and then in this instance, you were just you were just asleep on the couch, and she just happened to you know be lighting matches and had the big knife.
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This now, this might be the matlock in me coming out.
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I just aged myself.
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Little little Jessica Lansbury for you, a little murder she wrote.
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Okay.
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This seems to me, and this is just my initial again.
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I'm not saying I don't have any proof to back this up.
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This is just the impression I'm getting right now.
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That could my opinion could change as more information comes out that he's using the Lindsay Clancy case.
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I think he did some shit, and he's using this.
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He's the only one who's even mentioned postpartum depression.
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Right.
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I think she is uh having problems.
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Obviously, she tried to overdose and stuff like that.
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I don't know.
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It just it gives me the air may it it kind of feels like he's using that as like uh this bitch crazy, send me money, you know, let me go off and live a good life, like people perceive the Clancy's uh, you know, uh Lindsay Clancy's husband to be doing now, right?
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Yeah, it seems I don't it's just that's the impression it's giving me.
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I don't trust this fucking guy right now, based on available information.
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His story has more fucking holes in it than Swiss cheese.
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Well, and and think about this like, why is she supposedly attempting to kill herself with the drug overdose, right?
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Whatever that was.
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Like, what led to that?
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Do we have any evidence at all anywhere that the baby was not receptive to her as the mom, right?
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Nope.
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We we don't really have that.
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No, we don't, and so you going down the road of this like postpartum depression, could there be some depression there?
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Because I mean, she legitimately just went through a year of incubating the baby, and now we got a baby, and it's 10 months later, you know.
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And and what's he doing in this situation, right?
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Like, why is she so volatile towards him, and he's just kind of like aloof or doesn't really give a shit, you know?
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I was gonna say aloof, yeah, 100%.
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Yeah, I feel like there's a lot more to this story, and of course, we don't really know what her story is, and the only line we have from her is that basically, yeah, you know, I'm willing to I I'm just throwing in the towel, I'm willing to die.
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But that's not true because if she was, she would have killed herself with the world's biggest chef knife and she didn't do anything.
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The world's biggest chef knife, yeah.
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I mean, this knife makes uh Rambo's knife look like a like a butter knife, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, but for now, I mean, the the the big question is are we starting to see a rise in these type of cases because where mothers are harming the children and trying to kill themselves because of the impression that the Lindsay Clancy case is given?
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Is this a ripple effect, or was this something?
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Something that was already happening, but a light is being shined on it because of the Lindsey Clancy case.
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Well, let me just add right there, in this case, I would say no, because like that statement is kind of implying that the woman is is following Lindsay Clancy as hey, she she put the template out there, I'm following the same thing.
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This doesn't really seem like that.
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But what's weird in this one is is it feels like the husband was aware of the Lindsay Clancy case and he put it out there.
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Yeah, but yeah, see what she's doing?
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It's Lindsay Clancy.
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Yeah, that's what I mean.
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That would be technically a ripple effect of the Lindsey Clancy case.
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In a weird way, yeah.
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No, right?
01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:52.960
No.
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Final thoughts on this?
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This one is not the Lindsay Clancy.
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Him or her?
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Who do you who do you suspect more right now?
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.360
Well, what do you mean by suspect?
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Elaborate.
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Is he full of shit?
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:14.719
Yes.
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Okay.
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We've established that.
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He's full of shit.
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:20.320
He's definitely full of shit.
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Like there is no doubt he's full of shit.
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He's not acting like a dad.
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Uh, the story doesn't really add up.
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Clearly, she's really, really mad at him and really pissed off at him.
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He's already sleeping on the couch.
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I mean, it kind of sounds like they were probably heading towards a divorce very soon, if not already talking about it.
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Yeah, I mean, so so at the end of the day, I mean, this is not the Lindsey Clancy case, though initially it showed some similarities.
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This is not it, you know.
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Yeah, well, we're gonna stay on top of it, and next week, guys, we will do um, we'll try to do an update episode on the Lindsey Clancy case, see if we can bring you the latest, and I hate to say greatest, but I mean it is what it is, right?
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Uh, we'll bring you the latest on that, but our next episode, very excited about this one.
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You want to do the honors, man?
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On Friday.
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Yeah, Friday.
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A little a little bit of a hint.
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He said the word diddy.
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Ooh, diddy.
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I did I did not say baby oil.
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I did not say baby oil, though.
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