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Welcome back, Midnight Viewers, to Buttons, Switches, and Consoles. This
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is the one you all get to hear. This is
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our look at low-tech, old-tech, no-tech. Oh, my God. It's
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the greatest tech of all time. This is actually the
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one you've all been fucking waiting for. And here to
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do it with me, Laura Grillo. Say hi, technology maven.
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Hi. Hello. Oh, hello. Hello.
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It's an ecological disaster. No, don't even start. Listen, we
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are going to be talking about it.
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Shh.
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We're going to be talking about hackers today. It's the
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granddaddy of all hacking movies. It's the one that still
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stands up. It's the one that pretty much everyone has seen.
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It's the one that actually influenced real hackers that are
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working to this day. This is the one they all
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fucking love.
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Do they?
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Yeah. Here's the trailer. world they inhabit.
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Dave?
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Yeah, Mom?
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What are you doing?
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I'm taking over a TV network.
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Finish up, honey.
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Get to sleep.
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They're hackers. Hackers penetrate and ravage private and publicly owned
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computer systems.
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Hack the planet. Hack the planet!
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It's not just something they do.
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Sure this sweet machine's not going to waste.
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Are you challenging me?
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Look at that!
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It's who they are.
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I win.
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You wear a dress on our date. And if I win,
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so do you. They can crack any code.
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And get inside any system oh mr gill according to
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our records you're dead.
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I'm what but this time come here look at this it's.
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Some kind of virus unless five million dollars is transferred
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to the following account i will capsize five oil tankers
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they just hacked the wrong guy game's over whoever wrote.
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This needs somebody to take.
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The fall he's about to commit the perfect computer.
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Crime you We've created a virus that's going to cause
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a worldwide disaster.
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And they're about to take the blame.
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A hacker planted the virus.
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It's the perfect cover. Don't move, you know it! Looking
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in frames. Can we be allies? I don't play well
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with others. Oh, wow, we are fried. Okay, let's nail it.
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you're not good enough to beat.
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Me yeah maybe i'm not but we are they're the
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only ones who can prevent a catastrophe.
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I know how to stop this guy they'll trace you
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like that are you nuts come at me.
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Unlike any the world has ever seen never send a
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boy to do a woman's job hackers of the world
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unite cops on the building i need more time.
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This is the end my friend united artists welcomes you
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to the new world.
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Please! Hackers. Hackers was released on September the 15th, 1995.
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Directed by Ian Softley with a screenplay by Raphael Moreau.
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Starring Johnny Lee Miller, Angelina Jolie, Fisher Stevens, Lorraine Bracco,
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and Matthew Lillard. Anyone else you want to mention?
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Mark Anthony's in it.
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Oh, that's right. He's an undercover agent.
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Yeah.
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I want to mention Andre Sakula did the cinematography here,
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and he does really great handheld work, and I guess
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that's on evidence here as well. Anyway, box office of $ 7. 6
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million with a budget of $ 20. Nevertheless, it is a
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cult classic at this point, a crime thriller. Our first
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sort of big-budget, first real look at what was attempting
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to be going on in the world of hacking, at least,
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I don't know, some sense of the community that was
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going on out there. Whether or not they succeeded in
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showing what the real world was going on, I don't know.
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As a fantasy world, though, I think it works pretty well. Laura,
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what did you think of this movie?
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I've watched it maybe 15, 16 times.
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I'm sensing you enjoy the film.
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What's not to enjoy, you know? Whether it's ridiculous or not,
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whether I know how to rollerblade or not, which I don't.
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But do you have lots of leather?
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I don't even think it's leather. I think it's more
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of an art of like a blend or maybe some
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sort of.
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Pleather?
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Yeah, you know, I think that's what they were doing there.
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Motorcycle jackets for everyone. Nobody rides a motorcycle. This is
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the story of Dade Murphy. Zero cool. That's his hacker handle.
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This is introducing most of America, the idea of hacker handles.
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This is, as I said, 1995. So this is the
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first time really everyone is getting on the internet. Were
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you on the internet? I know.
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Because we did the net, and I think it was
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the same year, actually.
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Yeah, but I'm going to keep asking the question every
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time we have an internet. And no matter what the
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year is.
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I was so impressed by what they did. I think
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some of the stuff actually rings true, honestly. Like the
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payphone stuff. I don't think they came up with that.
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No, that was Captain Crunch back in the Bay Area
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in the late 1960s. When the telephone companies moved over
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from the mechanical world sound to actual touch tone sounds
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to control the system. The sound that allowed you to
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make a telephone call from a pay phone could be
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replicated by a whistle that could be found in a
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box of Captain Crunch. So one of these, his name
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was Captain Crunch because of that. He never paid for
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a phone call ever. He would just pick up the
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receiver and blow that whistle into it and just call
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wherever in the world he wanted to.
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So this movie took that and created it as if
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it was a big hacker thing.
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Exactly. It is a big hacker thing. It's a sort
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of hacker legend. So in that regard, they're paying homage
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to hackerdom of the... Of the yore? Yes. Hacker mythology.
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Anything that happened 10 years ago might as well be
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in cuneiform and inscribed on a wall.
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I love this movie. It's ridiculous. I love it.
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When did you see it first?
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Gosh, I can't even remember.
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Was it in the theater?
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I don't think so. I don't think so.
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Then it was on that new digital realm of VHS tape, probably.
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Probably. Or just, you know, how those movies were played
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over and over and over again on HBO or WHT
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or something.
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Yeah, once TBS got their hands on it, it was
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all over. Run that into the fucking ground.
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Do you like this movie?
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Okay, here's the thing. Much like... The movie we discussed
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over on the Patreon channel, Johnny Mnemonic. This was the
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time period where I was slightly hooked up in Los
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Angeles in the movie industry. And I had friends who
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were all aspiring filmmakers. And it was really easy to
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get your hands on screenplay. And this one I got
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my hands on. And I thought it was hilariously terrible
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as far as what it was portraying as an actual
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community in the world. Because that's what they're doing here.
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You know, hackers by nature are very solitary humans. They
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rarely hang out. But this is positive that there's an
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underground subculture and a cyber delia fucking lounge that they
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can hang out in. So I thought the script was hilarious.
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And then I saw the movie. Now, I like Ian softly.
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I'd like the movie Backbeat, that sort of early Beatles
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movie he had done before this. And I'd like some
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of the visuals. But overall, I remember just fucking hating
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this movie. I just hated all of the characters. I
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hated all of the fucking intrigue. I hated the fact
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that the lead character, that Penn Jillette.
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I bet he did such a good job.
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He does do a good job. But it was one
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thing after another just bothering me about this movie. And
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I don't know. And I have not seen it since,
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which is a failing on my part because I should
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have given it a second chance because it's a lot
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better than I remember. It's actually a pretty good movie overall.
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Okay. All right.
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I got a little more swept away by these characters
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and their problems. I still have massive problems with the movie, though.
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Of course. I mean.
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Its name is Lorraine Bracco.
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Oh, is that your big problem?
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She's usually the main problem of anything she's in.
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Oh, that's not true at all. She's amazing in Goodfellas.
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That's the one. And that's because Martin Scorsese. She was
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amazing in Sopranos, too. Yeah, but that's, you know.
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Do you want to hear my really bad Lorraine Bracco impersonation?
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Oh, man, I want to hear your Lorraine Bracco so badly.
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Why did I ever trust you? It's basically me talking
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like myself, but just a little slower and more pronounced.
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A worldwide ecological disaster? She's ridiculous. And it's so fun.
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I love it. She can't talk fast, too. Even if
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it's a really stressful time, she's like, Eugene. Cancer? So bad.
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She tries. She tries to speed it up, but she can't.
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She has a thing. I know it's a terrible impersonation.
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No, it's the best impersonation I've ever heard of Lorraine Bracco.
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She's so cute. You know, she's ridiculous. You don't have
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a problem with Fisher Stevens in this movie. His facial
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hair is.
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This is the greatest he's ever going to look, Fisher Stevens.
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No, that's not true.
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Oh, I think so.
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Fisher Stevens has gotten.
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I think the outfit he's wearing, the hair, the beard,
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the skateboard. By the way, he's gotten.
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So much quality pussy throughout his life. He doesn't need that.
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But he looks like he's going to blow up or
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shoot up a high school.
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Here?
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In this movie.
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No, he doesn't.
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No, no, no. He looks like a total douche.
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I think that's by design, but that's what I like
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about it now.
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That's what you like about it. Okay. All right.
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At the time, I thought, what a douche when the
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movie came out. And now I'm like, right on. He's
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doing his thing.
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Well, some of his lines, never fear. I is here.
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It's really, yeah, it's a tough, tough place to be.
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Did you ever see My Science Project?
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No, is that?
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You might want to see My Science Project.
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Okay. But all right. That's not what we're talking about.
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No, but it is tangentially related. Yes, he's quite hilarious
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in that, actually. And that's a bizarre little movie that
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we should probably cover here because it is about tech.
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We probably should.
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Okay. To be continued. So who's your favorite, aside from
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hot Angelina Jolie?
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Is there anyone else but Angelina Jolie in this movie?
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I hadn't noticed.
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You're serious?
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No, of course not. She's kind of an apple head here.
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Oh, she's... Her haircut is amazing.
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I'm not saying nothing against her. I'm just saying... No,
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I know. She seems youthful to the point of I
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don't find her hot because it seems like a kid
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to me.
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Because you're not allowed to say it, but you do anyway.
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No, I'm... No, no. It's okay.
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I'm not judging.
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Listen, lady. I... Never mind. I don't need to justify
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myself to you.
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But speaking of hot, The mom.
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Now, that's funny.
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It's a total smoke show.
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We're talking about Johnny Lee Miller's mother in this film. Yeah, yeah.
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When she walked on screen, I forgot Lorraine Bracco was
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in this film. And when that actress came on screen,
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I went, oh, man, she's like a talented Lorraine Bracco.
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This is great.
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Oh, that is, that is ecreligious. But she's more than
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just talented. She was hot.
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Super hot.
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Super hot. Like, full on hot. To me, she reminded
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me of the moms, the single moms that have to
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do it. Sort of like Lucille Russo.
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In Karate Kid, yeah.
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They're the unsung heroes of these movies. They're the backbone.
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If you're going to have a young high school protagonist,
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he's going to have to have a strong single mom
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in order to make it through. One who will fight
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him most of the movie, but then step in right
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when it's necessary. Yes. And defend them, yeah.
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She was great. She was great. But the part when
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he was talking about how he was a virgin... That
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was the biggest lie of the movie. I was like,
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no way. No fucking way. It's Johnny Lee Miller.
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Did you know that Matthew Lillard got quite far in
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the process as Dade Murphy?
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No, I didn't know that at all.
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He, in fact, screen tested as Dade Murphy. He read
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against every other character as Dade Murphy for, you know,
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personality tests on screen. And then out from under him,
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they cast Johnny Lee Miller and they said, you can
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do this other part instead.
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Serial.
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Serial killer, yeah.
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Yeah. He's amazing.
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Yeah, absolutely. He's a young actor here, and he's really
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fucking going for it.
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He really did, and I loved every second of it.
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And that's what's great about Matthew Lillard. He never not
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went for it. He never took the biggest bite possible.
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Yeah, he's adorable.
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However, restrained Matthew Lillard is also really good, and had
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he been Dade Murphy, I think I would have liked
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the movie a thousand times more.
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Oh, you're just looking for the underdog now.
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No, because the character is supposed to be the loser
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in this group. That's how he's written. He does cool
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things and shows that he's more skilled than them.
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Why? Because you read the extreme play that he did?
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No, no, no.
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No, no, no.
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I'm not saying that at all. But it just feels
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like that. It feels like they made him this sort
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of outsider. And then at a certain point, he's like,
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I can't do anything, guys. I've got a record. I'm
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not going to like... Like, you know, it just seems
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like it.
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Listen, if you're going to problem with Johnny Lee Miller
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in this movie, then any... when anybody with eyes would
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have a problem with Angelina Jolie, she's like, they're perfect.
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They're beautiful people.
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But I'm just saying I would have responded to that.
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Looking at Johnny Lee Miller, I don't see any fucking
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flaws in that guy. Like you said, I don't believe
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he's a virgin. I don't believe he would be socially awkward.
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I bet he would walk into any, anywhere he walked into,
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he'd be like, I'm here now. And everyone would say, yay.
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So as the sort of lovable loser who went to,
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you know, prison as a fucking young boy and, You know,
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has been sheltered and cut off from the world. Matthew
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Lillard's the obvious choice.
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I don't think he did time as a young boy.
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He should have, though. And speaking of doing time, I
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was really worried about Freak in jail.
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That was a harrowing scene, that walking him in.
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That scene really went for it. And I was like,
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what are we doing here? Why are we doing this?
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I agree. Why set up that threat in our minds?
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He's in high school, you know?
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And those men are just, not even vaguely, they're miming,
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I'm going to strangle you.
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Yeah, or all the other things.
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All the other things that were actually going to happen.
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And I didn't want to think about that, you know?
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And that, to me, is the fundamental flaw with this movie.
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And this is having read the screenplay. That was the
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fundamental flaw? No, no, no. Having read the screenplay at
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the time, having read all the screenplays at the time,
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the great trend in Hollywood was we need teenagers who
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are edgy and extreme, right? Why are these kids high
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school kids at all? Just make them in their fucking 20s.
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They behave like they're in their 20s. They cast a
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bunch of actors. Yeah, just, it is because I don't
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need to see Joey's ass and not think, well, I'm
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looking at a fucking 15-year-old boy's ass right now. Matthew Lillard,
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17-year-old's ass, you know? It becomes a little weird.
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I don't know why he showed his ass. That was unnecessary.
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That's because Matthew Lillard wanted to show his ass. It's
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the reason Jolie pulls her shirt off at every fucking opportunity.
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Oh, no. She was directed to do that.
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You think she was directed to unzip her thing when
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she jumped on him that time?
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Of course she was. No, no, no.
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Have you seen Angelina's work at the time? She was
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topless at all times.
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It was not. I saw Foxfire.
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Naked in Foxfire.
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She was not naked.
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Yes, she was.
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That would have been... Okay. You act like these actors
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that are so young have agency, but they don't. You know,
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they were directed to do that. So you're wrong.
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I'm not saying they're... I'm blaming the filmmakers. I'm saying,
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why are they making them teenagers if they're going to
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sexualize them to this degree? Why do I need to
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think about the child in prison about to get raped?
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No, I didn't like that either.
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That's what I'm saying, but that's part and parcel with
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all of the shit.
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No, I think you were anti-Angelina Jolie taking her shirt off,
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but we never saw any nipples.
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No, you asked why Matthew Lillard... Showed his ass, and
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I said it's the same reason she showed up.
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No. Yeah, those two things. I don't think, I don't know. Hmm.
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Who's wrong? Who's right? Only God can decide, you know?
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That's my password for everything.
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That's your password. I love Lorraine Bracco. She's a handsome woman.
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Remember when all hackers on deck kind of thing? Yeah.
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And the first hacker that they found would look like
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David Stewart from Eurythmics. That was weird. That was good. Oh,
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and Urban Dance Squad was in. Remember Urban Dance Squad?
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I remember them.
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And their record. I know. It wasn't that good of
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a record. But, you know.
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Do you have this soundtrack? It's a pretty good soundtrack, actually.
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No, I do. I stereo emcees are in it. I
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recognize a lot of the songs.
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It is. The soundtrack. Here's the actual title of the soundtrack.
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Are you ready?
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Yes.
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Hackers. Their only crime was curiosity. Original soundtrack album.
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Aw. So what do you think of Mark Anthony in
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the movie?
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He's good. I like Mark Anthony. I liked him in
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Bringing Out the Dead. He's really good in that. The
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Scorsese film?
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Yeah, I haven't seen that. I want to see it.
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I know, I know, I know. I'm going to.
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It's really good.
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Yes, I'm going to see it. I'm a fan. He's
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a good actor.
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Yeah, I liked him a lot in this. I don't
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know why he's even in the movie. I don't know
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why we're getting. There are so many perspectives.
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So many scenes, too.
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He's just like wandering and doing nothing. I like that. Yeah,
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it's a nice reminder that the police are involved.
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Did you feel bad for the detect, the FBI agent?
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With all of the cruel hacker jokes.
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Hacker jokes where he's, yeah.
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Did you start feeling bad for him at all?
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Not really. I did a little bit. Because he's the
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authoritarian figure and they must be stomped out because hack
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the planet.
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Oh, gosh, yeah.
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Have you ever watched something and then chanted in unison
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that wasn't Rocky Horror?
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I don't think audience members chant when they watch this movie, though.
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Do you think? No, but I'm just saying when they're
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sitting around watching the internet program of our Japanese fellows
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who are the sort of the darlings of the hacker world.
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they say, hack the planet, and then everyone calls it back.
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It's calling, you know, return there. It's like, hack the planet,
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they all yell.
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Was it Razor and Blade? Yes. Were the names? Yeah.
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They have a lot of makeup on.
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Sure did.
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But they didn't look sweaty at all, so I was.
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Impressed by that.
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It was impressed by that.
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They kept the lights off of them until the last second.
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Yeah, I think that's what it was. Overtime.
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There's a party sequence in the film at Angelina Jolie's
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character's house.
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Yeah.
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That scene represents the best of everyone's outfits, I think.
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Oh, the leather? The white leather outfit?
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That fucking straight jacket thing that she has on.
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I love that.
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I'm obsessed with that. Even Johnny Lee Miller's orange life preserver.
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You know, to me, it pays homage. Okay. To Just
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One of the Guys, which is a movie where she wears,
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it's after she turns into a guy, but she's wearing
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a white leather outfit. And I spent my entire life
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looking for something like that to wear.
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Joyce Heiser.
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Yes, the body. That's what they called her.
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For obvious reasons.
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I love that movie.
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I love it too. It's one of those HBO specials.
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It was on too much. You just couldn't stop watching it.
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Good Lord. It made me a big fan of Cindy Lauper.
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Yeah, it was Sherilyn Fenn's in it.
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Oh my goodness, isn't she? Yeah. The other outfit I
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really liked was Matthew Lillard's in that scene. It's Lou
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Reed's revolver sparkly shirt.
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He's really good in this movie, and you can tell
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that he went with it. I don't think that those
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were lines on a script for him. I think he
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just went for it.
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Improved everything.
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Yeah, I do think so.
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He did improv one line, which was, he screams right
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before the big hacking begins.
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Oh, that was great.
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And he says, tension breaker, had to be done. Now,
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I would have liked the line had it not been
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stolen from Summer School. The character of Chainsaw, right before
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the big test, screams at the top of his lungs
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and says that exact thing. It was even in the trailer.
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Yeah.
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Bad Matthew Lillard.
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That was a great movie, though.
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Summer School?
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Yes.
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It's one of the best movies ever made.
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It is. It is.
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You think I'm joking, but I am absolutely not. I
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will watch that movie right now.
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I'm a fan. I've seen it. I like it.
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Beginning to end. Can I call my mother and tell
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her I won't be home? Ever. We just got laughed
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by a woman with a walker. Okay, I could do
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the whole movie. Anyway, moving on.
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I love that movie. It's great. But then they all,
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you know, succeed.
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They do, but I have a question for you as
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a New Yorker.
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Okay.
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Do you have a subway defense system, and is it
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a flare gun?
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So I'm post-COVID, so I avoid the subway as much
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as possible. But, you know, there's all the ways that
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you can avoid things. Any woman knows how to deal
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with the subway as best as they can without causing
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more trouble and getting, you know, yeah. We all have
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our own systems. The answer is yes.
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Do you have a flare gun, though?
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No, I don't want to get arrested.
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Christmas is coming.
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Aww. Father Malone. So sweet. I wouldn't trust me with
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a gun. Any kind of gun.
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You're not going in the subway either, and that's the
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only place I want a flare gun to go off
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in New York.
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Yeah. It's fine. Somebody's fine.
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That's the most horrible thought I've ever had.
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Is that the most horrible thought you've ever had?
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Oh, my God. No, as far as public transportation goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think so.
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I still doubt it.
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Probably not. Probably not. Some things cannot be said aloud.
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So there's a couple of things that really bother me
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about this movie. When after little Fisher starts baseball batting
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everything in his room and he's like, blow me. And
496
00:23:51.569 --> 00:23:55.089
he's like, thank you. As if it was this big,
497
00:23:55.930 --> 00:23:59.660
smart comeback or something. I just didn't get it. I
498
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:01.700
didn't think it was. But no.
499
00:24:02.140 --> 00:24:03.420
I didn't get most of the dialogue.
500
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:06.569
Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, come on.
501
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:08.609
Just the interpersonal stuff is fine, but any of the
502
00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:10.470
tough guy posing stuff.
503
00:24:10.509 --> 00:24:14.730
Yeah. What's it called? The Keyboard Cowboys?
504
00:24:15.690 --> 00:24:19.789
Mess with the best, die like the rest? This is 1982?
505
00:24:19.789 --> 00:24:20.490
Come on, man.
506
00:24:20.630 --> 00:24:22.839
That was in the beginning. And they make fun of
507
00:24:22.900 --> 00:24:23.430
him for it.
508
00:24:24.140 --> 00:24:24.420
Yeah.
509
00:24:24.579 --> 00:24:26.579
It is a self-aware universe.
510
00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:28.779
But here's the thing about that.
511
00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:30.609
The Keyboard Cowboys. Yes.
512
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:34.839
When they're in their own little world in Cyberdelia, which
513
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.440
is not as cool a title as they think it
514
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.819
is for that place, which I like that place, and
515
00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:43.980
I like this community, and it made me want the
516
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:47.019
rest of the world to not be real because there
517
00:24:47.059 --> 00:24:50.200
are some shots of the subway where it's like they're
518
00:24:50.259 --> 00:24:53.460
doing the rollerblading, and it's all like strobe lit and
519
00:24:53.619 --> 00:24:55.440
fucking crazy looking down there.
520
00:24:55.460 --> 00:24:58.359
It was so dumb. It was like Luc Bichon subway.
521
00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.789
Yeah, man. I want that. Give me it all.
522
00:25:01.369 --> 00:25:01.630
No.
523
00:25:01.809 --> 00:25:04.190
Look, if they're going to have a scene where fucking
524
00:25:04.230 --> 00:25:07.109
Johnny Lee Miller hands off a disc to a skateboarding
525
00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:11.609
Fisher Stevens in a white limo that disappears into the smoke. Yeah,
526
00:25:11.710 --> 00:25:14.849
this is not real. We don't have to believe anything else.
527
00:25:14.869 --> 00:25:16.670
You can just make it all cuckoo. It could be
528
00:25:16.710 --> 00:25:18.650
like a hero with live action.
529
00:25:19.130 --> 00:25:20.359
They tried to balance that.
530
00:25:21.130 --> 00:25:24.480
It was a mistake. They should have gone full-blown cuckoo,
531
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.440
self-contained world. This should have been like a Johnny Mnemonic
532
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:27.880
of sorts.
533
00:25:27.940 --> 00:25:28.700
Like Scuba.
534
00:25:30.069 --> 00:25:34.329
Self-contained just like that.
535
00:25:34.529 --> 00:25:37.390
Just like that i'll let them know i loved.
536
00:25:37.190 --> 00:25:41.509
The chinatown tableau yes that one shot where it's where
537
00:25:41.549 --> 00:25:44.650
they're setting everything up and and matthew lillard is lording
538
00:25:44.779 --> 00:25:47.759
over it and i loved that it's very well directed
539
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.299
i must say even though clearly they have had no
540
00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:54.539
idea how to visualize the internet at all they just
541
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:58.829
made a city out of digital servers or something and Oh,
542
00:25:58.869 --> 00:25:59.970
it's really bad.
543
00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:03.890
Yeah, it's a city. It's like a grid system with little.
544
00:26:04.569 --> 00:26:07.789
It's better off when he's doing these sort of montages
545
00:26:08.049 --> 00:26:11.619
of actual systems, like a car flying through a tunnel or,
546
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.660
you know, subway systems interconnecting to convey the idea of
547
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.319
the internet because the actual internet stuff is... That's laughable.
548
00:26:19.779 --> 00:26:23.029
I enjoyed the quick cut montage of when he first
549
00:26:23.069 --> 00:26:26.549
sees Angelina Jolie's character of Kate and how, like, the
550
00:26:26.569 --> 00:26:30.700
comic book, the... I thought that was really well done. Yeah.
551
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:34.140
I'm saying visually, I really like the movie. It's just
552
00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:36.569
that when they try to actually show us the internet,
553
00:26:36.609 --> 00:26:37.509
I'm like, what are you doing now?
554
00:26:38.369 --> 00:26:40.809
Oh, yeah. But that's in every movie we're watching.
555
00:26:42.470 --> 00:26:44.769
Not true. I like Johnny Mnemonic's depiction of the internet.
556
00:26:45.869 --> 00:26:47.130
You just like him.
557
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:49.480
I like Kabuki Reeves.
558
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:50.759
It's terrible.
559
00:26:50.859 --> 00:26:51.759
Kabuki Keanu.
560
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:52.460
Yeah.
561
00:26:57.539 --> 00:26:59.759
You can hear that episode over on the Patreon channel.
562
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:05.059
That's Johnny Mnemonic. That's over on Airlock Sensors and Ray Guns.
563
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:06.980
Available now.
564
00:27:07.539 --> 00:27:09.559
So hackers like this movie. You were talking about that.
565
00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:13.000
Hackers love this fucking movie. Most hackers seem either to
566
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:17.450
be inspired by it or have enjoyed it ironically. They
567
00:27:17.589 --> 00:27:22.390
all agree that anything depicting hacking is completely ridiculous in
568
00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:24.710
the film. I think there's one shot of a monitor.
569
00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:30.940
Where I watched a ton of videos of hackers reviewing
570
00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:33.099
the movie, and in that one moment where they show
571
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.180
this hexadecimal scrawl on screen, they're like, okay, that's real. Yeah,
572
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.980
that one. And then everything else is like, this is no, no, no, no.
573
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.509
The only thing that they do agree on, there's the
574
00:27:43.549 --> 00:27:46.369
montage of Johnny Lee Miller just sitting at the keyboard,
575
00:27:46.390 --> 00:27:48.509
and they show the sunrise and sunset.
576
00:27:48.569 --> 00:27:51.029
I know that. I saw it. I remember it.
577
00:27:51.730 --> 00:27:54.430
That scene, they all agree, yeah, it's like that. Because
578
00:27:54.650 --> 00:27:55.869
for those around you.
579
00:27:55.890 --> 00:27:56.089
Oh, really?
580
00:27:56.230 --> 00:27:59.589
You know, just because you're locked in and time goes
581
00:27:59.670 --> 00:28:01.410
by and you don't know what's going on. But they
582
00:28:01.849 --> 00:28:05.769
also all agree that you're not seeing mathematical equations flying
583
00:28:05.809 --> 00:28:11.299
past your head. Or any of the ridiculous visual.
584
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:12.519
Like little man Tate.
585
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.720
Yeah, exactly. You know, like a beautiful mind.
586
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:16.160
Yeah.
587
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:21.059
Numbers and formulas. Ooh, I must be smart.
588
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:21.920
Coming at you.
589
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.119
Nevertheless. I think the movie actually looks great. I don't
590
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:29.799
even know what Ian Softly's done since.
591
00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:32.319
We should probably look that up.
592
00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:33.000
Let's look that up.
593
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:40.220
That was my key typing sounds. It's big in the movie.
594
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:40.880
Like the movie.
595
00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:41.579
Yeah.
596
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:48.549
Hackers. Oh, they're hackers. And Ian softly directed Hackers. Oh,
597
00:28:48.589 --> 00:28:49.690
he directed K-Pax.
598
00:28:49.990 --> 00:28:50.269
Oof.
599
00:28:50.890 --> 00:28:51.670
Skeleton Key.
600
00:28:51.950 --> 00:28:52.250
Oof.
601
00:28:52.750 --> 00:28:55.950
He went on to direct the movie K-Pax, starring Kevin Spacey,
602
00:28:57.150 --> 00:29:00.880
about an alien. He did the Skeleton Key, which you
603
00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:04.039
know the twist about 20 minutes into the movie. Inkheart.
604
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.259
That was okay. The Shepherd. I don't know what that is.
605
00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:09.319
We also did Backbeat, like you said.
606
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:10.460
Yeah, which was great.
607
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:11.240
Okay.
608
00:29:11.660 --> 00:29:14.480
I'll let you have that. You know, Backbeat and Hackers.
609
00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:16.440
Good job. Ian Softley?
610
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:17.259
Hey.
611
00:29:17.740 --> 00:29:20.700
I haven't seen Curve. Maybe he did something else.
612
00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:23.539
The Wings of the Dove, I haven't seen that. Oh,
613
00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:27.819
that's like a Henry James book. When Helena Bonham Carter
614
00:29:27.859 --> 00:29:28.480
was in everything.
615
00:29:28.900 --> 00:29:32.009
Oh, yeah. Yeah, if there was a bodice involved, she
616
00:29:32.029 --> 00:29:32.710
was going to be there.
617
00:29:32.730 --> 00:29:34.809
Yes, and she was, and she was great.
618
00:29:35.029 --> 00:29:38.210
It was the law. Did you ever see Johnny Lee
619
00:29:38.250 --> 00:29:44.150
Miller perform in Dangerous? Boyle's version of Frankenstein with Benedict Cumberbatch? Oh, no.
620
00:29:44.269 --> 00:29:45.710
That's not a movie.
621
00:29:46.069 --> 00:29:49.529
No, it was a two-person play at the Royal National Theater,
622
00:29:49.549 --> 00:29:52.690
but they filmed it. The conceit being that they would
623
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.279
switch off roles of Victor and the monster.
624
00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:57.940
Each night? Yeah. How was it? Which one did you see?
625
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.599
I saw both. Because they filmed both. I didn't like either.
626
00:30:04.460 --> 00:30:06.309
That movie is set up to fail.
627
00:30:06.329 --> 00:30:07.630
It's a lot of pretentiousness.
628
00:30:07.650 --> 00:30:08.630
The Kenneth Branagh movie.
629
00:30:08.809 --> 00:30:09.789
Fucking Frankenstein.
630
00:30:09.930 --> 00:30:10.750
It's so bad.
631
00:30:10.769 --> 00:30:11.710
It's not easy to make good.
632
00:30:12.369 --> 00:30:15.450
No. Or Willy Wonka of Flesh. The new one that
633
00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:23.109
came out. Fucking....
634
00:30:21.369 --> 00:30:22.150
That's not hackers.
635
00:30:22.410 --> 00:30:29.900
That's not hackers. But it is about someone... Laser focused
636
00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:31.900
on something.
637
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.200
Like Ian Softly.
638
00:30:34.579 --> 00:30:36.859
Like Ian Softly. Oh, boy.
639
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.940
What else? Anything else about this flick? Seems like we
640
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.940
should have more to say, but I think we both
641
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.740
liked it too much to really pick it apart. It's true.
642
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.619
It's true. I do like this movie.
643
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.569
Did you like their promotional website?
644
00:30:51.630 --> 00:30:52.930
Tell everyone about that.
645
00:30:53.529 --> 00:30:55.869
I'm going to put a link in the show notes, everybody,
646
00:30:55.890 --> 00:30:57.819
so you can experience this on your own. But the
647
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.680
original 1995 United Artists website for hackers is there. And
648
00:31:02.740 --> 00:31:05.960
you would not believe how high tech it is. It
649
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.700
stands up to this day. I was surprised. I was like,
650
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.470
this is 1995? Did they have a time machine?
651
00:31:20.089 --> 00:31:21.650
It's if you're in a room and you want to
652
00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:24.359
torture someone, you put that on and just leave it on.
653
00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:26.519
The music is so soothing.
654
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:31.559
Yeah. That or Post Malone, I think, would really just
655
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:36.410
drive someone to murder.
656
00:31:36.450 --> 00:31:36.900
Those are it.
657
00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:39.289
Those are the biggest ones.
658
00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:40.970
All right.
659
00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:42.289
All right.
660
00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:43.789
Yeah, I think I don't have any other notes. So
661
00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:45.579
I guess that's going to do it for this particular episode.
662
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.700
I think we like hackers. You should see Hackers. I
663
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.240
think it deserves a rewatch if you haven't. I know,
664
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.380
but rewatch it, everybody.
665
00:31:51.460 --> 00:31:55.539
I'm just so jealous of that haircut. It's an incredible haircut.
666
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:56.529
I loved it.
667
00:31:56.980 --> 00:31:58.220
That's how you look right now. I've tried it so
668
00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:58.819
many times.
669
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.349
I've tried it so many times. It just fails miserably.
670
00:32:03.309 --> 00:32:05.890
It's like the whole Foxfire vibe that she had.
671
00:32:05.910 --> 00:32:07.150
It's plastered.
672
00:32:07.589 --> 00:32:12.069
Yeah. But she was just that rich girl from school
673
00:32:12.089 --> 00:32:16.829
that wouldn't have been my friend anyway, you know? True. Like,
674
00:32:16.950 --> 00:32:21.559
that's true. They were in public school, rich, pretty. We
675
00:32:21.579 --> 00:32:22.230
would not have talked.
676
00:32:23.059 --> 00:32:25.380
And she's into computers, which you were not at the time.
677
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.000
Bailey would have had nothing to talk about.
678
00:32:27.019 --> 00:32:27.799
Yeah.
679
00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:30.069
Except for Johnny Lee Miller.
680
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.289
When you have that kind of money.
681
00:32:31.309 --> 00:32:33.990
Yeah, sure.
682
00:32:34.309 --> 00:32:37.769
It's a socioeconomic thing with me.
683
00:32:38.490 --> 00:32:41.529
You can afford to have the leather outfit and spend
684
00:32:41.569 --> 00:32:43.099
all day pretending you live in.
685
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:44.150
I do have one now.
686
00:32:44.210 --> 00:32:45.900
But are you hanging out at the cyber cafes?
687
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:46.480
No.
688
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.220
How about the internet cafes?
689
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:53.170
No. Printing stuff.
690
00:32:53.549 --> 00:32:54.690
Yeah, exactly.
691
00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:59.710
Over and over again. 25 cents a copy.
692
00:32:59.930 --> 00:33:04.259
My laptop died. I need to get into this USB.
693
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:10.559
Leather outfits for everybody.
694
00:33:10.579 --> 00:33:12.920
Oh, boy. All right.
695
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.599
Have we decided what we're doing next?
696
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:16.920
Danger Diabolique.
697
00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:18.599
No, that's on the other program.
698
00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:25.170
Yeah, okay. And then for this one, we're going to do, sorry, pause, pause, pause.
699
00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:27.259
Short Circuit.
700
00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:29.859
Short Circuit. It's a Fisher-Stevens.
701
00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:32.920
Yeah, we're just going to go Fisher.
702
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:36.279
If Fisher-Stevens is involved with some technology, we will find
703
00:33:36.339 --> 00:33:38.660
it and we will put it on this program. We're
704
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:40.880
going to do it with My Science Project, but that's
705
00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:45.089
going to be over on the Patreon show. You folks
706
00:33:45.130 --> 00:33:45.910
are missing out over there.
707
00:33:46.470 --> 00:33:46.910
Oh, yeah.
708
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.539
All right, so next time we're going to be doing
709
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.160
Short Circuit. And say goodbye to everybody, Laura, unless there's
710
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:52.660
a line from this movie that you want to throw
711
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.529
out there. And I know you do.
712
00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:58.289
What's a good Lorraine Bronco? Get the file or you're
713
00:33:58.309 --> 00:34:00.230
going to lose all your toys.
714
00:34:00.250 --> 00:34:03.430
So bad. Try to enjoy the daylight.
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Welcome back, Midnight Viewers, to Buttons, Switches, and Consoles. This
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is the one you all get to hear. This is
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our look at low-tech, old-tech, no-tech. Oh, my God. It's
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the greatest tech of all time. This is actually the
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one you've all been fucking waiting for. And here to
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do it with me, Laura Grillo. Say hi, technology maven.
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Hi. Hello. Oh, hello. Hello.
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It's an ecological disaster. No, don't even start. Listen, we
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are going to be talking about it.
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Shh.
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We're going to be talking about hackers today. It's the
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granddaddy of all hacking movies. It's the one that still
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stands up. It's the one that pretty much everyone has seen.
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It's the one that actually influenced real hackers that are
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working to this day. This is the one they all
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fucking love.
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Do they?
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Yeah. Here's the trailer. world they inhabit.
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Dave?
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Yeah, Mom?
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What are you doing?
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I'm taking over a TV network.
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Finish up, honey.
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Get to sleep.
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They're hackers. Hackers penetrate and ravage private and publicly owned
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computer systems.
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Hack the planet. Hack the planet!
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It's not just something they do.
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Sure this sweet machine's not going to waste.
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Are you challenging me?
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Look at that!
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It's who they are.
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I win.
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You wear a dress on our date. And if I win,
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so do you. They can crack any code.
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And get inside any system oh mr gill according to
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our records you're dead.
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I'm what but this time come here look at this it's.
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Some kind of virus unless five million dollars is transferred
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to the following account i will capsize five oil tankers
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they just hacked the wrong guy game's over whoever wrote.
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This needs somebody to take.
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The fall he's about to commit the perfect computer.
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Crime you We've created a virus that's going to cause
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a worldwide disaster.
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And they're about to take the blame.
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A hacker planted the virus.
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It's the perfect cover. Don't move, you know it! Looking
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in frames. Can we be allies? I don't play well
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with others. Oh, wow, we are fried. Okay, let's nail it.
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you're not good enough to beat.
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Me yeah maybe i'm not but we are they're the
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only ones who can prevent a catastrophe.
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I know how to stop this guy they'll trace you
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like that are you nuts come at me.
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Unlike any the world has ever seen never send a
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boy to do a woman's job hackers of the world
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unite cops on the building i need more time.
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This is the end my friend united artists welcomes you
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to the new world.
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Please! Hackers. Hackers was released on September the 15th, 1995.
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Directed by Ian Softley with a screenplay by Raphael Moreau.
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Starring Johnny Lee Miller, Angelina Jolie, Fisher Stevens, Lorraine Bracco,
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and Matthew Lillard. Anyone else you want to mention?
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Mark Anthony's in it.
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Oh, that's right. He's an undercover agent.
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Yeah.
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I want to mention Andre Sakula did the cinematography here,
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and he does really great handheld work, and I guess
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that's on evidence here as well. Anyway, box office of $ 7. 6
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million with a budget of $ 20. Nevertheless, it is a
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cult classic at this point, a crime thriller. Our first
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sort of big-budget, first real look at what was attempting
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to be going on in the world of hacking, at least,
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I don't know, some sense of the community that was
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going on out there. Whether or not they succeeded in
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showing what the real world was going on, I don't know.
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As a fantasy world, though, I think it works pretty well. Laura,
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what did you think of this movie?
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I've watched it maybe 15, 16 times.
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I'm sensing you enjoy the film.
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What's not to enjoy, you know? Whether it's ridiculous or not,
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whether I know how to rollerblade or not, which I don't.
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But do you have lots of leather?
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I don't even think it's leather. I think it's more
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of an art of like a blend or maybe some
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sort of.
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Pleather?
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Motorcycle jackets for everyone. Nobody rides a motorcycle. This is
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the story of Dade Murphy. Zero cool. That's his hacker handle.
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This is introducing most of America, the idea of hacker handles.
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This is, as I said, 1995. So this is the
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first time really everyone is getting on the internet. Were
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you on the internet? I know.
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Because we did the net, and I think it was
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the same year, actually.
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Yeah, but I'm going to keep asking the question every
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time we have an internet. And no matter what the
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year is.
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I was so impressed by what they did. I think
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some of the stuff actually rings true, honestly. Like the
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payphone stuff. I don't think they came up with that.
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in the late 1960s. When the telephone companies moved over
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from the mechanical world sound to actual touch tone sounds
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to control the system. The sound that allowed you to
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make a telephone call from a pay phone could be
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replicated by a whistle that could be found in a
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box of Captain Crunch. So one of these, his name
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was Captain Crunch because of that. He never paid for
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a phone call ever. He would just pick up the
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receiver and blow that whistle into it and just call
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wherever in the world he wanted to.
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So this movie took that and created it as if
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it was a big hacker thing.
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Exactly. It is a big hacker thing. It's a sort
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of hacker legend. So in that regard, they're paying homage
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to hackerdom of the... Of the yore? Yes. Hacker mythology.
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Anything that happened 10 years ago might as well be
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in cuneiform and inscribed on a wall.
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I love this movie. It's ridiculous. I love it.
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When did you see it first?
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Gosh, I can't even remember.
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Was it in the theater?
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Then it was on that new digital realm of VHS tape, probably.
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Probably. Or just, you know, how those movies were played
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over and over and over again on HBO or WHT
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all over. Run that into the fucking ground.
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Do you like this movie?
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Okay, here's the thing. Much like... The movie we discussed
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over on the Patreon channel, Johnny Mnemonic. This was the
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time period where I was slightly hooked up in Los
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Angeles in the movie industry. And I had friends who
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were all aspiring filmmakers. And it was really easy to
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get your hands on screenplay. And this one I got
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my hands on. And I thought it was hilariously terrible
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as far as what it was portraying as an actual
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community in the world. Because that's what they're doing here.
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You know, hackers by nature are very solitary humans. They
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rarely hang out. But this is positive that there's an
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underground subculture and a cyber delia fucking lounge that they
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can hang out in. So I thought the script was hilarious.
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I'd like the movie Backbeat, that sort of early Beatles
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movie he had done before this. And I'd like some
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of the visuals. But overall, I remember just fucking hating
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this movie. I just hated all of the characters. I
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hated all of the fucking intrigue. I hated the fact
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that the lead character, that Penn Jillette.
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I bet he did such a good job.
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He does do a good job. But it was one
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thing after another just bothering me about this movie. And
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I don't know. And I have not seen it since,
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which is a failing on my part because I should
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have given it a second chance because it's a lot
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better than I remember. It's actually a pretty good movie overall.
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Okay. All right.
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I got a little more swept away by these characters
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and their problems. I still have massive problems with the movie, though.
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Of course. I mean.
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Its name is Lorraine Bracco.
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Oh, is that your big problem?
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She's usually the main problem of anything she's in.
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Oh, that's not true at all. She's amazing in Goodfellas.
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That's the one. And that's because Martin Scorsese. She was
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amazing in Sopranos, too. Yeah, but that's, you know.
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Do you want to hear my really bad Lorraine Bracco impersonation?
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Oh, man, I want to hear your Lorraine Bracco so badly.
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Why did I ever trust you? It's basically me talking
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like myself, but just a little slower and more pronounced.
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A worldwide ecological disaster? She's ridiculous. And it's so fun.
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I love it. She can't talk fast, too. Even if
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it's a really stressful time, she's like, Eugene. Cancer? So bad.
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She tries. She tries to speed it up, but she can't.
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She has a thing. I know it's a terrible impersonation.
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No, it's the best impersonation I've ever heard of Lorraine Bracco.
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She's so cute. You know, she's ridiculous. You don't have
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a problem with Fisher Stevens in this movie. His facial
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hair is.
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This is the greatest he's ever going to look, Fisher Stevens.
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No, that's not true.
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Fisher Stevens has gotten.
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the skateboard. By the way, he's gotten.
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So much quality pussy throughout his life. He doesn't need that.
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But he looks like he's going to blow up or
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shoot up a high school.
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Here?
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In this movie.
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No, he doesn't.
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I think that's by design, but that's what I like
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about it now.
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That's what you like about it. Okay. All right.
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movie came out. And now I'm like, right on. He's
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doing his thing.
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Well, some of his lines, never fear. I is here.
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Did you ever see My Science Project?
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No, is that?
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You might want to see My Science Project.
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Okay. But all right. That's not what we're talking about.
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in that, actually. And that's a bizarre little movie that
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we should probably cover here because it is about tech.
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Okay. To be continued. So who's your favorite, aside from
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hot Angelina Jolie?
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Is there anyone else but Angelina Jolie in this movie?
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I hadn't noticed.
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You're serious?
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Oh, she's... Her haircut is amazing.
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I'm not saying nothing against her. I'm just saying... No,
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I know. She seems youthful to the point of I
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don't find her hot because it seems like a kid
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to me.
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Because you're not allowed to say it, but you do anyway.
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No, I'm... No, no. It's okay.
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I'm not judging.
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Listen, lady. I... Never mind. I don't need to justify
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myself to you.
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But speaking of hot, The mom.
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It's a total smoke show.
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in this film. And when that actress came on screen,
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I went, oh, man, she's like a talented Lorraine Bracco.
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This is great.
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Oh, that is, that is ecreligious. But she's more than
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just talented. She was hot.
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Super hot. Like, full on hot. To me, she reminded
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me of the moms, the single moms that have to
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do it. Sort of like Lucille Russo.
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They're the unsung heroes of these movies. They're the backbone.
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he's going to have to have a strong single mom
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in order to make it through. One who will fight
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him most of the movie, but then step in right
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when it's necessary. Yes. And defend them, yeah.
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he was talking about how he was a virgin... That
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was the biggest lie of the movie. I was like,
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no way. No fucking way. It's Johnny Lee Miller.
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Did you know that Matthew Lillard got quite far in
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the process as Dade Murphy?
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No, I didn't know that at all.
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against every other character as Dade Murphy for, you know,
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personality tests on screen. And then out from under him,
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they cast Johnny Lee Miller and they said, you can
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do this other part instead.
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Serial.
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Serial killer, yeah.
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fucking going for it.
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He really did, and I loved every second of it.
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went for it. He never took the biggest bite possible.
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he been Dade Murphy, I think I would have liked
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the movie a thousand times more.
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Oh, you're just looking for the underdog now.
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No, because the character is supposed to be the loser
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in this group. That's how he's written. He does cool
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things and shows that he's more skilled than them.
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No, no, no.
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No, no, no.
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I'm not saying that at all. But it just feels
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like that. It feels like they made him this sort
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of outsider. And then at a certain point, he's like,
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I can't do anything, guys. I've got a record. I'm
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not going to like... Like, you know, it just seems
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like it.
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Listen, if you're going to problem with Johnny Lee Miller
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in this movie, then any... when anybody with eyes would
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have a problem with Angelina Jolie, she's like, they're perfect.
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They're beautiful people.
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But I'm just saying I would have responded to that.
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Looking at Johnny Lee Miller, I don't see any fucking
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flaws in that guy. Like you said, I don't believe
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he's a virgin. I don't believe he would be socially awkward.
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I bet he would walk into any, anywhere he walked into,
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he'd be like, I'm here now. And everyone would say, yay.
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So as the sort of lovable loser who went to,
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you know, prison as a fucking young boy and, You know,
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has been sheltered and cut off from the world. Matthew
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Lillard's the obvious choice.
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I don't think he did time as a young boy.
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He should have, though. And speaking of doing time, I
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was really worried about Freak in jail.
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That was a harrowing scene, that walking him in.
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That scene really went for it. And I was like,
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what are we doing here? Why are we doing this?
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I agree. Why set up that threat in our minds?
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He's in high school, you know?
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And those men are just, not even vaguely, they're miming,
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I'm going to strangle you.
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Yeah, or all the other things.
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All the other things that were actually going to happen.
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And I didn't want to think about that, you know?
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And that, to me, is the fundamental flaw with this movie.
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And this is having read the screenplay. That was the
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fundamental flaw? No, no, no. Having read the screenplay at
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the time, having read all the screenplays at the time,
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the great trend in Hollywood was we need teenagers who
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are edgy and extreme, right? Why are these kids high
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school kids at all? Just make them in their fucking 20s.
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They behave like they're in their 20s. They cast a
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bunch of actors. Yeah, just, it is because I don't
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need to see Joey's ass and not think, well, I'm
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looking at a fucking 15-year-old boy's ass right now. Matthew Lillard,
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17-year-old's ass, you know? It becomes a little weird.
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I don't know why he showed his ass. That was unnecessary.
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That's because Matthew Lillard wanted to show his ass. It's
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the reason Jolie pulls her shirt off at every fucking opportunity.
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Oh, no. She was directed to do that.
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You think she was directed to unzip her thing when
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she jumped on him that time?
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Of course she was. No, no, no.
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Have you seen Angelina's work at the time? She was
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topless at all times.
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It was not. I saw Foxfire.
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Naked in Foxfire.
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She was not naked.
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Yes, she was.
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That would have been... Okay. You act like these actors
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that are so young have agency, but they don't. You know,
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they were directed to do that. So you're wrong.
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I'm not saying they're... I'm blaming the filmmakers. I'm saying,
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why are they making them teenagers if they're going to
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sexualize them to this degree? Why do I need to
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think about the child in prison about to get raped?
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No, I didn't like that either.
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That's what I'm saying, but that's part and parcel with
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all of the shit.
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No, I think you were anti-Angelina Jolie taking her shirt off,
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but we never saw any nipples.
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No, you asked why Matthew Lillard... Showed his ass, and
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I said it's the same reason she showed up.
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No. Yeah, those two things. I don't think, I don't know. Hmm.
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Who's wrong? Who's right? Only God can decide, you know?
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That's my password for everything.
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That's your password. I love Lorraine Bracco. She's a handsome woman.
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Remember when all hackers on deck kind of thing? Yeah.
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And the first hacker that they found would look like
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David Stewart from Eurythmics. That was weird. That was good. Oh,
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and Urban Dance Squad was in. Remember Urban Dance Squad?
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I remember them.
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And their record. I know. It wasn't that good of
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a record. But, you know.
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Do you have this soundtrack? It's a pretty good soundtrack, actually.
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No, I do. I stereo emcees are in it. I
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recognize a lot of the songs.
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It is. The soundtrack. Here's the actual title of the soundtrack.
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Are you ready?
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Yes.
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Hackers. Their only crime was curiosity. Original soundtrack album.
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Aw. So what do you think of Mark Anthony in
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the movie?
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He's good. I like Mark Anthony. I liked him in
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Bringing Out the Dead. He's really good in that. The
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Scorsese film?
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Yeah, I haven't seen that. I want to see it.
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I know, I know, I know. I'm going to.
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It's really good.
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Yes, I'm going to see it. I'm a fan. He's
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a good actor.
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Yeah, I liked him a lot in this. I don't
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know why he's even in the movie. I don't know
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why we're getting. There are so many perspectives.
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So many scenes, too.
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He's just like wandering and doing nothing. I like that. Yeah,
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it's a nice reminder that the police are involved.
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Did you feel bad for the detect, the FBI agent?
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With all of the cruel hacker jokes.
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Hacker jokes where he's, yeah.
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Did you start feeling bad for him at all?
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Not really. I did a little bit. Because he's the
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authoritarian figure and they must be stomped out because hack
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the planet.
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Oh, gosh, yeah.
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Have you ever watched something and then chanted in unison
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that wasn't Rocky Horror?
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I don't think audience members chant when they watch this movie, though.
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Do you think? No, but I'm just saying when they're
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sitting around watching the internet program of our Japanese fellows
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who are the sort of the darlings of the hacker world.
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they say, hack the planet, and then everyone calls it back.
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It's calling, you know, return there. It's like, hack the planet,
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they all yell.
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Was it Razor and Blade? Yes. Were the names? Yeah.
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They have a lot of makeup on.
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Sure did.
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But they didn't look sweaty at all, so I was.
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Impressed by that.
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It was impressed by that.
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They kept the lights off of them until the last second.
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Yeah, I think that's what it was. Overtime.
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There's a party sequence in the film at Angelina Jolie's
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character's house.
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Yeah.
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That scene represents the best of everyone's outfits, I think.
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Oh, the leather? The white leather outfit?
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That fucking straight jacket thing that she has on.
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I love that.
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I'm obsessed with that. Even Johnny Lee Miller's orange life preserver.
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You know, to me, it pays homage. Okay. To Just
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One of the Guys, which is a movie where she wears,
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it's after she turns into a guy, but she's wearing
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a white leather outfit. And I spent my entire life
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looking for something like that to wear.
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Joyce Heiser.
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Yes, the body. That's what they called her.
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For obvious reasons.
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I love that movie.
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I love it too. It's one of those HBO specials.
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It was on too much. You just couldn't stop watching it.
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Good Lord. It made me a big fan of Cindy Lauper.
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Yeah, it was Sherilyn Fenn's in it.
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Oh my goodness, isn't she? Yeah. The other outfit I
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really liked was Matthew Lillard's in that scene. It's Lou
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Reed's revolver sparkly shirt.
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He's really good in this movie, and you can tell
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that he went with it. I don't think that those
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were lines on a script for him. I think he
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just went for it.
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Improved everything.
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Yeah, I do think so.
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He did improv one line, which was, he screams right
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before the big hacking begins.
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Oh, that was great.
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And he says, tension breaker, had to be done. Now,
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I would have liked the line had it not been
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stolen from Summer School. The character of Chainsaw, right before
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the big test, screams at the top of his lungs
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and says that exact thing. It was even in the trailer.
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Yeah.
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Bad Matthew Lillard.
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That was a great movie, though.
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Summer School?
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Yes.
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It's one of the best movies ever made.
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It is. It is.
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You think I'm joking, but I am absolutely not. I
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will watch that movie right now.
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I'm a fan. I've seen it. I like it.
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Beginning to end. Can I call my mother and tell
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her I won't be home? Ever. We just got laughed
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by a woman with a walker. Okay, I could do
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the whole movie. Anyway, moving on.
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I love that movie. It's great. But then they all,
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you know, succeed.
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They do, but I have a question for you as
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a New Yorker.
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Okay.
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Do you have a subway defense system, and is it
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a flare gun?
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So I'm post-COVID, so I avoid the subway as much
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as possible. But, you know, there's all the ways that
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you can avoid things. Any woman knows how to deal
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with the subway as best as they can without causing
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more trouble and getting, you know, yeah. We all have
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our own systems. The answer is yes.
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Do you have a flare gun, though?
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No, I don't want to get arrested.
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Christmas is coming.
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Aww. Father Malone. So sweet. I wouldn't trust me with
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a gun. Any kind of gun.
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You're not going in the subway either, and that's the
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only place I want a flare gun to go off
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in New York.
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Yeah. It's fine. Somebody's fine.
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That's the most horrible thought I've ever had.
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Is that the most horrible thought you've ever had?
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Oh, my God. No, as far as public transportation goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think so.
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I still doubt it.
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Probably not. Probably not. Some things cannot be said aloud.
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So there's a couple of things that really bother me
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about this movie. When after little Fisher starts baseball batting
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everything in his room and he's like, blow me. And
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he's like, thank you. As if it was this big,
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smart comeback or something. I just didn't get it. I
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didn't think it was. But no.
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I didn't get most of the dialogue.
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Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, come on.
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Just the interpersonal stuff is fine, but any of the
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tough guy posing stuff.
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Yeah. What's it called? The Keyboard Cowboys?
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Mess with the best, die like the rest? This is 1982?
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Come on, man.
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That was in the beginning. And they make fun of
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him for it.
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Yeah.
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It is a self-aware universe.
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But here's the thing about that.
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The Keyboard Cowboys. Yes.
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When they're in their own little world in Cyberdelia, which
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is not as cool a title as they think it
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is for that place, which I like that place, and
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I like this community, and it made me want the
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rest of the world to not be real because there
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are some shots of the subway where it's like they're
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doing the rollerblading, and it's all like strobe lit and
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fucking crazy looking down there.
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It was so dumb. It was like Luc Bichon subway.
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Yeah, man. I want that. Give me it all.
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No.
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Look, if they're going to have a scene where fucking
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Johnny Lee Miller hands off a disc to a skateboarding
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Fisher Stevens in a white limo that disappears into the smoke. Yeah,
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this is not real. We don't have to believe anything else.
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You can just make it all cuckoo. It could be
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like a hero with live action.
529
00:25:19.130 --> 00:25:20.359
They tried to balance that.
530
00:25:21.130 --> 00:25:24.480
It was a mistake. They should have gone full-blown cuckoo,
531
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.440
self-contained world. This should have been like a Johnny Mnemonic
532
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:27.880
of sorts.
533
00:25:27.940 --> 00:25:28.700
Like Scuba.
534
00:25:30.069 --> 00:25:34.329
Self-contained just like that.
535
00:25:34.529 --> 00:25:37.390
Just like that i'll let them know i loved.
536
00:25:37.190 --> 00:25:41.509
The chinatown tableau yes that one shot where it's where
537
00:25:41.549 --> 00:25:44.650
they're setting everything up and and matthew lillard is lording
538
00:25:44.779 --> 00:25:47.759
over it and i loved that it's very well directed
539
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.299
i must say even though clearly they have had no
540
00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:54.539
idea how to visualize the internet at all they just
541
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:58.829
made a city out of digital servers or something and Oh,
542
00:25:58.869 --> 00:25:59.970
it's really bad.
543
00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:03.890
Yeah, it's a city. It's like a grid system with little.
544
00:26:04.569 --> 00:26:07.789
It's better off when he's doing these sort of montages
545
00:26:08.049 --> 00:26:11.619
of actual systems, like a car flying through a tunnel or,
546
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.660
you know, subway systems interconnecting to convey the idea of
547
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.319
the internet because the actual internet stuff is... That's laughable.
548
00:26:19.779 --> 00:26:23.029
I enjoyed the quick cut montage of when he first
549
00:26:23.069 --> 00:26:26.549
sees Angelina Jolie's character of Kate and how, like, the
550
00:26:26.569 --> 00:26:30.700
comic book, the... I thought that was really well done. Yeah.
551
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:34.140
I'm saying visually, I really like the movie. It's just
552
00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:36.569
that when they try to actually show us the internet,
553
00:26:36.609 --> 00:26:37.509
I'm like, what are you doing now?
554
00:26:38.369 --> 00:26:40.809
Oh, yeah. But that's in every movie we're watching.
555
00:26:42.470 --> 00:26:44.769
Not true. I like Johnny Mnemonic's depiction of the internet.
556
00:26:45.869 --> 00:26:47.130
You just like him.
557
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:49.480
I like Kabuki Reeves.
558
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:50.759
It's terrible.
559
00:26:50.859 --> 00:26:51.759
Kabuki Keanu.
560
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:52.460
Yeah.
561
00:26:57.539 --> 00:26:59.759
You can hear that episode over on the Patreon channel.
562
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:05.059
That's Johnny Mnemonic. That's over on Airlock Sensors and Ray Guns.
563
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:06.980
Available now.
564
00:27:07.539 --> 00:27:09.559
So hackers like this movie. You were talking about that.
565
00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:13.000
Hackers love this fucking movie. Most hackers seem either to
566
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:17.450
be inspired by it or have enjoyed it ironically. They
567
00:27:17.589 --> 00:27:22.390
all agree that anything depicting hacking is completely ridiculous in
568
00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:24.710
the film. I think there's one shot of a monitor.
569
00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:30.940
Where I watched a ton of videos of hackers reviewing
570
00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:33.099
the movie, and in that one moment where they show
571
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.180
this hexadecimal scrawl on screen, they're like, okay, that's real. Yeah,
572
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.980
that one. And then everything else is like, this is no, no, no, no.
573
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.509
The only thing that they do agree on, there's the
574
00:27:43.549 --> 00:27:46.369
montage of Johnny Lee Miller just sitting at the keyboard,
575
00:27:46.390 --> 00:27:48.509
and they show the sunrise and sunset.
576
00:27:48.569 --> 00:27:51.029
I know that. I saw it. I remember it.
577
00:27:51.730 --> 00:27:54.430
That scene, they all agree, yeah, it's like that. Because
578
00:27:54.650 --> 00:27:55.869
for those around you.
579
00:27:55.890 --> 00:27:56.089
Oh, really?
580
00:27:56.230 --> 00:27:59.589
You know, just because you're locked in and time goes
581
00:27:59.670 --> 00:28:01.410
by and you don't know what's going on. But they
582
00:28:01.849 --> 00:28:05.769
also all agree that you're not seeing mathematical equations flying
583
00:28:05.809 --> 00:28:11.299
past your head. Or any of the ridiculous visual.
584
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:12.519
Like little man Tate.
585
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.720
Yeah, exactly. You know, like a beautiful mind.
586
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:16.160
Yeah.
587
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:21.059
Numbers and formulas. Ooh, I must be smart.
588
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:21.920
Coming at you.
589
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.119
Nevertheless. I think the movie actually looks great. I don't
590
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:29.799
even know what Ian Softly's done since.
591
00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:32.319
We should probably look that up.
592
00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:33.000
Let's look that up.
593
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:40.220
That was my key typing sounds. It's big in the movie.
594
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:40.880
Like the movie.
595
00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:41.579
Yeah.
596
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:48.549
Hackers. Oh, they're hackers. And Ian softly directed Hackers. Oh,
597
00:28:48.589 --> 00:28:49.690
he directed K-Pax.
598
00:28:49.990 --> 00:28:50.269
Oof.
599
00:28:50.890 --> 00:28:51.670
Skeleton Key.
600
00:28:51.950 --> 00:28:52.250
Oof.
601
00:28:52.750 --> 00:28:55.950
He went on to direct the movie K-Pax, starring Kevin Spacey,
602
00:28:57.150 --> 00:29:00.880
about an alien. He did the Skeleton Key, which you
603
00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:04.039
know the twist about 20 minutes into the movie. Inkheart.
604
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.259
That was okay. The Shepherd. I don't know what that is.
605
00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:09.319
We also did Backbeat, like you said.
606
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:10.460
Yeah, which was great.
607
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:11.240
Okay.
608
00:29:11.660 --> 00:29:14.480
I'll let you have that. You know, Backbeat and Hackers.
609
00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:16.440
Good job. Ian Softley?
610
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:17.259
Hey.
611
00:29:17.740 --> 00:29:20.700
I haven't seen Curve. Maybe he did something else.
612
00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:23.539
The Wings of the Dove, I haven't seen that. Oh,
613
00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:27.819
that's like a Henry James book. When Helena Bonham Carter
614
00:29:27.859 --> 00:29:28.480
was in everything.
615
00:29:28.900 --> 00:29:32.009
Oh, yeah. Yeah, if there was a bodice involved, she
616
00:29:32.029 --> 00:29:32.710
was going to be there.
617
00:29:32.730 --> 00:29:34.809
Yes, and she was, and she was great.
618
00:29:35.029 --> 00:29:38.210
It was the law. Did you ever see Johnny Lee
619
00:29:38.250 --> 00:29:44.150
Miller perform in Dangerous? Boyle's version of Frankenstein with Benedict Cumberbatch? Oh, no.
620
00:29:44.269 --> 00:29:45.710
That's not a movie.
621
00:29:46.069 --> 00:29:49.529
No, it was a two-person play at the Royal National Theater,
622
00:29:49.549 --> 00:29:52.690
but they filmed it. The conceit being that they would
623
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.279
switch off roles of Victor and the monster.
624
00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:57.940
Each night? Yeah. How was it? Which one did you see?
625
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.599
I saw both. Because they filmed both. I didn't like either.
626
00:30:04.460 --> 00:30:06.309
That movie is set up to fail.
627
00:30:06.329 --> 00:30:07.630
It's a lot of pretentiousness.
628
00:30:07.650 --> 00:30:08.630
The Kenneth Branagh movie.
629
00:30:08.809 --> 00:30:09.789
Fucking Frankenstein.
630
00:30:09.930 --> 00:30:10.750
It's so bad.
631
00:30:10.769 --> 00:30:11.710
It's not easy to make good.
632
00:30:12.369 --> 00:30:15.450
No. Or Willy Wonka of Flesh. The new one that
633
00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:23.109
came out. Fucking....
634
00:30:21.369 --> 00:30:22.150
That's not hackers.
635
00:30:22.410 --> 00:30:29.900
That's not hackers. But it is about someone... Laser focused
636
00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:31.900
on something.
637
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.200
Like Ian Softly.
638
00:30:34.579 --> 00:30:36.859
Like Ian Softly. Oh, boy.
639
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.940
What else? Anything else about this flick? Seems like we
640
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.940
should have more to say, but I think we both
641
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.740
liked it too much to really pick it apart. It's true.
642
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.619
It's true. I do like this movie.
643
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.569
Did you like their promotional website?
644
00:30:51.630 --> 00:30:52.930
Tell everyone about that.
645
00:30:53.529 --> 00:30:55.869
I'm going to put a link in the show notes, everybody,
646
00:30:55.890 --> 00:30:57.819
so you can experience this on your own. But the
647
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.680
original 1995 United Artists website for hackers is there. And
648
00:31:02.740 --> 00:31:05.960
you would not believe how high tech it is. It
649
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.700
stands up to this day. I was surprised. I was like,
650
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.470
this is 1995? Did they have a time machine?
651
00:31:20.089 --> 00:31:21.650
It's if you're in a room and you want to
652
00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:24.359
torture someone, you put that on and just leave it on.
653
00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:26.519
The music is so soothing.
654
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:31.559
Yeah. That or Post Malone, I think, would really just
655
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:36.410
drive someone to murder.
656
00:31:36.450 --> 00:31:36.900
Those are it.
657
00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:39.289
Those are the biggest ones.
658
00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:40.970
All right.
659
00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:42.289
All right.
660
00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:43.789
Yeah, I think I don't have any other notes. So
661
00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:45.579
I guess that's going to do it for this particular episode.
662
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.700
I think we like hackers. You should see Hackers. I
663
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.240
think it deserves a rewatch if you haven't. I know,
664
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.380
but rewatch it, everybody.
665
00:31:51.460 --> 00:31:55.539
I'm just so jealous of that haircut. It's an incredible haircut.
666
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:56.529
I loved it.
667
00:31:56.980 --> 00:31:58.220
That's how you look right now. I've tried it so
668
00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:58.819
many times.
669
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.349
I've tried it so many times. It just fails miserably.
670
00:32:03.309 --> 00:32:05.890
It's like the whole Foxfire vibe that she had.
671
00:32:05.910 --> 00:32:07.150
It's plastered.
672
00:32:07.589 --> 00:32:12.069
Yeah. But she was just that rich girl from school
673
00:32:12.089 --> 00:32:16.829
that wouldn't have been my friend anyway, you know? True. Like,
674
00:32:16.950 --> 00:32:21.559
that's true. They were in public school, rich, pretty. We
675
00:32:21.579 --> 00:32:22.230
would not have talked.
676
00:32:23.059 --> 00:32:25.380
And she's into computers, which you were not at the time.
677
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.000
Bailey would have had nothing to talk about.
678
00:32:27.019 --> 00:32:27.799
Yeah.
679
00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:30.069
Except for Johnny Lee Miller.
680
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.289
When you have that kind of money.
681
00:32:31.309 --> 00:32:33.990
Yeah, sure.
682
00:32:34.309 --> 00:32:37.769
It's a socioeconomic thing with me.
683
00:32:38.490 --> 00:32:41.529
You can afford to have the leather outfit and spend
684
00:32:41.569 --> 00:32:43.099
all day pretending you live in.
685
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:44.150
I do have one now.
686
00:32:44.210 --> 00:32:45.900
But are you hanging out at the cyber cafes?
687
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:46.480
No.
688
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.220
How about the internet cafes?
689
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:53.170
No. Printing stuff.
690
00:32:53.549 --> 00:32:54.690
Yeah, exactly.
691
00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:59.710
Over and over again. 25 cents a copy.
692
00:32:59.930 --> 00:33:04.259
My laptop died. I need to get into this USB.
693
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:10.559
Leather outfits for everybody.
694
00:33:10.579 --> 00:33:12.920
Oh, boy. All right.
695
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.599
Have we decided what we're doing next?
696
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:16.920
Danger Diabolique.
697
00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:18.599
No, that's on the other program.
698
00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:25.170
Yeah, okay. And then for this one, we're going to do, sorry, pause, pause, pause.
699
00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:27.259
Short Circuit.
700
00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:29.859
Short Circuit. It's a Fisher-Stevens.
701
00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:32.920
Yeah, we're just going to go Fisher.
702
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:36.279
If Fisher-Stevens is involved with some technology, we will find
703
00:33:36.339 --> 00:33:38.660
it and we will put it on this program. We're
704
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:40.880
going to do it with My Science Project, but that's
705
00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:45.089
going to be over on the Patreon show. You folks
706
00:33:45.130 --> 00:33:45.910
are missing out over there.
707
00:33:46.470 --> 00:33:46.910
Oh, yeah.
708
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.539
All right, so next time we're going to be doing
709
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.160
Short Circuit. And say goodbye to everybody, Laura, unless there's
710
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:52.660
a line from this movie that you want to throw
711
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.529
out there. And I know you do.
712
00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:58.289
What's a good Lorraine Bronco? Get the file or you're
713
00:33:58.309 --> 00:34:00.230
going to lose all your toys.
714
00:34:00.250 --> 00:34:03.430
So bad. Try to enjoy the daylight.