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Welcome to Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It's like coffee with an analyst,
or it could be whiskey with an
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analyst, reading a spreadsheet,
linking crime events, identifying a
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series, and getting the latest scoop
on association news and training.
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So please don't be that analyst
and join us as we define
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the law enforcement analysis
profession, one episode at a time.
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How are we doing, Analysts?
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Jason Elder here with another
LEA podcast deep dive, a new one.
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This one is Open Secrets.
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A deep dive dedicated to open source
intelligence, and I've invited back
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to the show to talk us through open
source intelligence, Jan Mondale.
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Jan, how are we doing?
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I'm good, Jason.
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How are you?
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I am doing very well.
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Pacific Northwest treating you okay?
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Yeah, except we're finally
entering the rainy season.
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So, we've had a few months of gloom.
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Oh, man.
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All right.
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So, as I mentioned, this is
going to be a series talking
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about open source intelligence.
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So, we're going to give a The listeners
a little bit of taste today, but we're
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gonna, talk in 15, 20 minute increments.
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You went over several aspects
to open source intelligence.
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So I'm just going to turn it over to
you and just guide us through your talk.
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First of all, thank you very
much for having me on your show.
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I'm looking forward to talking
to people in the future about
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open source intelligence.
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But I wanted to start off with something
that's been bugging me a lot recently.
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And that's the fact that
everywhere I look, open source
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intelligence is rearing its head.
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And it's rearing its head
as if it's something new.
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And I wanted to point
out that it's not new.
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It's been around as long as
intelligence has been around.
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It's open source intelligence.
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Should be your first choice for
intelligence, primarily because it's
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free, normally, not always, but normally
it's free and so, and it's easy to
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get, whereas you don't have to send up
a really expensive imagery satellite
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or set up a really expensive network
monitoring system for Cygnet, Cygnet, or,
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or things like that are very expensive
and very dangerous human operations.
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Transcribed Ozen, you just go
on the internet nowadays anyway.
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It used to be that you had to do other
things that kind of maybe bordered
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on imagery and human, but it's, it's
really just stuff that's out there
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that makes your job as an intelligence
analyst or a crime analyst easier.
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And I'm talking about things like
gray literature, for example,
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which are things like maps that
you might get out of travel.
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Show or something like that that give
you a better idea of what what the local
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area looks like or Agricultural pamphlets
from an agricultural show that kind of
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thing Electrical grid maps those kinds
of things are all usually available.
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You might have to hunt for them.
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They're normally free And they're
considered open source intelligence.
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And like I said, that kind of
intelligence has been around forever.
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After 9 11, open source intelligence
especially got very popular.
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And the Director of National Intelligence,
when his office was created, actually
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created a sub office specifically
for open source intelligence.
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And so that was way
back in the early 2000s.
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I just wanted to point out that you see
the word Or the term ozant everywhere
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these days, I want you to understand
that it's been around for a long
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time, and there are practitioners who
have been doing it for a long time.
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It's not a brand new thing, and there
are lots of, of excellent resources
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for open source intelligence.
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One of the things I wanted to get into for
this first segment is another thing that
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bugs me a lot is , I read a lot of emails
and a lot of News emails kinds of things
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like I want you to take a look at this
article kinds of things and and a lot of
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times those articles are from publications
such as the Wall Street Journal or
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Business Insider or something like that
and they're behind a paywall when I
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click on the link I can't get to them.
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Because I don't have a subscription to
that particular publication, and I wanted
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to talk a little bit about how to get
around paywalls, and there's a lot of ways
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to do it that I think are really, really
interesting and that I use all the time.
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And first and foremost.
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I want to talk about your local library.
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If you live anywhere in the United
States, you have access to a
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public library somewhere close by.
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And all you need is a library
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online and go to their databases.
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have databases that contain the
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newspapers you want to read.
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Alternatively, you could go to the library
in person and they have those newspapers.
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Daily every day somewhere, especially
the big publications like the New York
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Times and the Wall Street Journal.
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And as well as magazines like
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So, if you're stuck.
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behind a paywall, and
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I get tons of Wall Street Journal
articles sent to me, and I just go
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to my public library, King County
Library system, log on, read the
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newspaper right there, online, without
having to worry about a paywall.
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So that's my number one choice.
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that day's news, if it's more
historical, you could try to feedly.
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news aggregator, and you can set
up your own account and say what,
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what news articles or news sources
you, you would like to read.
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or you can just go to feedly.
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com and see what they've got.
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30, 000, 40, 000 a year, but
the free accounts have almost
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everything that you would need.
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That corporations pay lots of money
for recorded future is another news,
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kind of a news aggregator, but they're
more towards the cyber side of news,
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and they do have also free resources
that you don't have to pay for.
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like that are a good choice because
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they almost always have a free version.
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You can do a search on Google Scholar to
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I would imagine most of the law
enforcement analyst professionals on
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here are probably members of IALEA or
something like NORCAN, a regional law
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enforcement crime analyst organization.
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You could check out those sources too.
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Possibly somebody In one of those
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to one of those articles that you really
want to read, but you should also take
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advantage of your look of your law
enforcement assets associations like that.
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Anyway, and and and.
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The Association of oh
gosh, now I can't remember.
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AIPA.
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enforcement analyst anymore, I remain a
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member of the Association of Computing
Machinery because they have really good
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cyber articles that I read all the time.
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Time since I'm a cyber analyst
now and the Association of
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Information Science and Technology.
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I'm a member of both of those
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their articles and their journals.
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There's an org website called
I've always called it script, but
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somebody recently pointed out to
me that it's probably pronounced
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scribed and.
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I pay $8 a month for it because I'm
a heavy user and I think $8 a month
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is a bargain, but you can do searches
on there to see if somebody's posted
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articles that you might be interested in.
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It's, I think it's just scribed.com.
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C-S-C-R-I-B-D, B as in
bravo, DE as in dog, and.
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Like I said, I, for, I've been a member
for over 10 years and, and I still call
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it, I used to call it script, but now I
think it's probably is pronounced scribed
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I'm laughing because I
thought Pinterest was Pinterest
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That sounds like something I
would make a mistake on too.
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There's also newspaper doc newspapers.
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com, which is not free, but
you might be able to get part
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of an article on newspapers.
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com.
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expensive.
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I highly recommend if you're a crime
analyst that you get a subscription
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to it or get your organization
to get a subscription to it.
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I continue to pay for it.
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That is how I tracked down so many people.
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When I was still a crime analyst,
because Especially older newspapers,
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there used to be so many more articles
about people, and you know, who they
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got married to, and where they were
moving to, and things like that in
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older newspapers, and I've done I've
been very successful using Newspapers.
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com and Ancestry.
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com, which is part, Newspapers.
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Subscriptions, but they're
definitely worth it.
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If you're trying to find if you're trying
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that, that's a really good resource.
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Another one for getting behind a
paywall is the Wayback Machine, because
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it's updated every day for newspapers
like the New York Times, and all you
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have to do is go to the website for
that day that's been collected by the
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Wayback Machine, and you can read that.
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Newspaper right there,
the archived version.
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So another thing, this goes back to
libraries, is using interlibrary loan.
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I once was doing an in depth study
on school violence, and there
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was a book that was out of print,
and I could only find one copy.
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Anywhere in the United States.
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And I was able to request that
copy through the Seattle public
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library, through interlibrary loan.
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And so you can also get articles
and journal articles the same way.
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So again, through your local library,
it's called ILL or interlibrary loan.
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I'm smiling again, because I
remember having to do that back in
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college, but I do wonder somebody
that's, I don't know, under 30.
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something where they did enter
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library alone, or were they actually
needed 1 particular book or.
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on the internet and there's so
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much that there's, you can do an
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interlibrary loan request.
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still was a crime analyst was online.
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You just go to the Seattle Public Library
or King County Public Library web page.
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tag and, and just do it online.
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Recently, when I tried to do one through
Seattle public library, they, because
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of budget cuts, they had limited it to
only one article or asset a week, which
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I found very limiting, but I used all
the time, especially if I was doing
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any kind of not necessarily crime.
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Analyst kind of thing of against a person,
but if I were doing an in depth study,
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or I was preparing for a presentation on
say, human trafficking or something like
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that, or school violence, then I would, I
would find articles by either using Google
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scholar or the library search engine.
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access to those articles.
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Almost always when it's a, when
it's a journal article or a
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newspaper article, they, they
send those to you electronically.
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In some instances, they, they
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loan, you don't have to return those.
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realized this is just for the Seattle
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universities or, or at least maybe
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a community college or something.
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They may not be able to do much online
with those libraries, but you can,
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you're welcome to walk in the door of
any library, university library, or any
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other library except maybe some special
libraries that are part of corporations
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You don't have to be a
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To use the libraries, you probably
won't be able to check out
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materials, but you can use the, the
research services at the library.
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And sometimes they're very
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than public libraries can afford.
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So those are good sources.
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For example, in, in Seattle, a lot
of people get degrees at Seattle
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University because they have a
criminal justice bachelor's degree.
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master's degree in it too.
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Anyway, so they're, as you can imagine,
they're, Library has a lot of assets
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for that particular career field.
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Another one is Wikipedia.
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I do a lot of research on Wikipedia.
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Not only are the articles.
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For the most part, pretty well written,
but what you really want to do is
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check out the references at the bottom
of the article, because that'll take
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you directly to the, to the source.
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There's usually a link that
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Let's see.
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Oh, another thing you can do, because
you're trying to get to a Wall Street
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Journal article that you can't get.
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on whatever text you can see on the phrase
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and and see if you can get to the directly
to the source of whatever the article is.
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Because a lot of times those sources are
scientific studies or something like that
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that are open source and that you can
read those without having to pay for them.
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So, I always try to go to the source
of an article anyway in a newspaper,
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if it says, this study said this, I,
I try to find what the study actually
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said, rather than just read the
newspaper article about the study.
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So those are pretty much
the things that I had.
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I had the associations.
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Oh, as far as, I'll google books if you're
looking to see if a book is available
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on a topic so that you can request
it through interlibrary loan books.
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google.
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com you can search for books sometimes
if you're searching for text and
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you look at look for it on books.
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google.
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com you can get excerpt from
almost the entire book, anywhere
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that search term shows up in the
book, that page will be displayed.
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You won't get the whole book, but
you'll get a big portion of the book.
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if that's a book you actually want
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to go to the effort of trying to
borrow from the library or buy or
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however you might want to read that.
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another really great source for journal
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articles that you might be interested.
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And I realize that these are more for
people who are doing a crime study,
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not necessarily looking for a person.
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Looking for information on a person
that these sources are probably not
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going to be a huge help unless you're
looking at historical information
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about a person for a cold case, and
I am serious, I found at least just
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off the top of my head I can think of.
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five people that I found for
cold cases through newspapers.
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If you can't get to it through
your organization, or you can't,
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because I'm, I'd say, I think I
paid, like I said, I paid for my own.
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Access.
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I think it's about 120 a year.
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So it's not cheap, but it's
not super expensive either.
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If you're really wanting to use it for
historical cold case research or just
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to find out more about a person's family
history, that kind of thing, Newspapers.
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Regarding the libraries
and , I'm sure a librarian would
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be glad to help you as well.
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People have a misunderstanding
about librarians.
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The, the ones who are shelving
the books and, and even working
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the front desk are not necessarily
people with a library science degree.
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What you want to do is ask for the
reference librarian, or you might
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at some public libraries, they might
call it a research librarian, but
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basically, yes, that's what librarians,
that's what they live for is to help
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people find resources that they need.
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I that's a really good tip because in
the beginning, when you were talking
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about the, the history and how it ramped
up with 9 11, I also think OSINT took
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another gigantic step with social media.
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And I think a lot of people, I
shouldn't say a lot of people,
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but I think some people equate
OSINT and social media, right?
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And so I'm actually glad that we're
starting out with, hey, we're,
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we're talking about something
you might not be thinking about
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is not necessarily social media.
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That is, is an open secret.
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Yes.
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And the future.
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Talks.
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I hope we, we will get into social
media open source intelligence because
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that's another incredibly right field
for crime analysis and investigations.
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So yeah, it, they actually even
have a sub, some people have a sub
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term for it, call it, they call it
sock mint S O C M I N T sock mint
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for social media intelligence.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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So,
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and we will talk about that in the future.
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It's just that off the top of my
head, when I was thinking about this
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first episode, I thought, what are the
things that are bothering me the most?
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And lately it's been people sending me
links to things that are behind a paywall.
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And also listening to people talk
about ozone, like it's some kind of
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new phenomenon that's that we've just
discovered when that's just not the case.
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All right.
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Very good.
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All right.
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Appreciate it.
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Jan, we're going to finish up here.
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Is there anything you want to add anything
you want to want to plug as we wind down?
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I just want to plug that.
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There are, as I said, isn't
is not a new phenomenon.
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And there are organizations out there.
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The osmosis foundation,
which is an open source.
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Foundation started by the Hetherington
group, and they actually hold a
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conference every year called osmosis
con, and I, I want to put a plug in
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there for Mike basil's Intel techniques
dot net courses, and a plug in for the
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Department of Defense's open source
information initiatives that have.
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That I may talk about
more in future episodes.
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Yeah.
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And we'll put links in the notes
for, for additional information
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if for those that want more.
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All right.
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That's
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right.
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All right.
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So if somebody does want to contact
you, what's the best way to contact you?
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The best way to contact me,
believe it or not, is to text me.
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And so I'm going to give
you my phone number.
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Please don't abuse it.
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It's it's 425 274 6978.
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All right.
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All right.
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Well, very good.
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This is going to be open secrets.
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This is one of many.
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Jan, thank you so much for doing this.
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It was, this was great
today and you be safe.
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You too.
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Thank you, Jason.
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