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Thanks for joining me.
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Today we're back around the table to have a conversation about Proverbs 4.
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Before we get started, just a little note, you may hear my security system keeping a close watch in the background.
00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:30.800
His name is Teddy, and he's a very handsome Labador whom I love dearly.
00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.439
So if you happen to hear him, just know he's doing his job.
00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:40.799
It's all a part of gathering around the table together.
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Now, let's dive into our conversation.
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My son, pay attention to my wisdom.
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Incline your ear to my insight, that you may maintain discretion, and your lips may preserve knowledge.
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For a seducing woman's lips drip honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil.
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But in the end, she is bitter as a wormwood, sharp as a double-edged sword, her feet go down to death, her steps lead straight to Sheol.
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She does not keep straight to the path of life.
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Her paths are crooked, but she does not know it.
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So now my sons, listen to me, and do not turn aside from the words of my mouth.
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Keep your path far from her, and do not go near the door of her house, lest you give your strength to others, and your ears to the one who is cruel, lest strangers feast on your strength, your labors go to the a foreigner's house.
00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:06.799
That's quite a bit there of instruction of who to stay away from and that scripture.
00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:25.280
When we look at that, we need to look at what it's describing the her in this chapter is can be not only just a seductive woman, but can be often in scriptural terms described as the harlot.
00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:41.599
And when we look at that, the word harlot is in the Tanakh, which is your Torah, your prophets and your writings, the entire Old Testament.
00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:56.159
God describes transgression as a harlot, most often applied to Israel turning to idol worship and following idolatry.
00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:16.319
And in an idolatry in that context of the Old Testament was often also assigned to pagan worship, which used idolatry or harlotry to in their worship actions, if you will.
00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:26.319
But we see another comparison to that seduction in multiple places in the New Testament.
00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:45.360
Also, most of those are in Revelation, and there the word harlotry harlotry can be compared applied to those that chase after the ways of the world versus the ways of Yeshua's instruction and God.
00:03:47.199 --> 00:04:03.360
And so we have to look at that symbolism and how the Bible and Scripture uses it to compare good and evil and all of the results that come from that.
00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:20.720
And this verse in the verse or chapter in Proverbs does talk about that parlatry or seduction drawing us into a very serious downward spiral in life.
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Which is applicable to men and women.
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It's not just men.
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Yeah, you you don't want to apply the seduction just as even all even though scripture uses the seduction of women, seducing men to into pagan worship or idolatry, it can go both ways.
00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.319
Men seducing women into it.
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And so that has to be remembered when we read through all of scripture that often one feminine versus male or masculine doesn't necessarily mean that particular group of people.
00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:11.439
It can include both feminine and masculine meanings and comparisons and usage.
00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:25.439
So if we remember to make that understood wherever the context shows that, then we can apply it to anybody in this world, man or woman.
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Well, and it goes on, it picks up in verse 11 kind of what happens when you don't make the right choices.
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At the end of your life, you will groan when your flesh and body are spent, and you will say how I hated discipline, how my heart spurned reproof.
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I would not listen to my teacher's voice, or incline my ear to instruction, to instructors.
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Right.
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But here's where there's an opportunity to grab hold of God's grace and mercy.
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Because even though at the end of your life, when you understand all of the wrong that you've done and how it has destroyed your life, if you turn and cry out to God, even at the end of your life, He will have mercy and grace to draw you in if you truly in your heart turn to him completely and repent.
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And that's the amazing thing of the God we serve is the second chances he gives.
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Even when it's the last shoestring a person is hanging on to, and they call out to him and ask him to enter their life and turn their heart over to him, God will take that shoestring and lift them from Sheol or hell right into his presence.
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So true.
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This is true.
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But that he does give grace and is a good father.
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Even at the end of our life.
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Even at the end.
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Well, proceeding with verse 15, drink water from your own cistern and running water from your own well.
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Should your springs flow in the streets, your streams of water in the public squares, let them be yours alone, and not shared with strangers.
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May your fountain be blessed, and may you delight in the wife of your youth, a lovely hine, a graceful doe, may her breast satisfy you always.
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May you always be captivated by her love.
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Why, my son, be captivated by a seducing woman?
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Why embrace a foreigner's bosom?
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For a man's ways are before the eyes of Adonai, and he observes all his past.
00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:27.519
The iniquities of a wicked man will ensnare him.
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The cords of his sins will hold him down.
00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:38.559
He will die for lack of discipline, led astray by his own great folly.
00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:44.480
Verse 15, there where it says, drink water from your own cistern and running water from your own well.
00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:53.600
In the Jewish understanding, running water is considered to be basically life.
00:08:54.399 --> 00:09:05.759
Because whenever a spiritual cleansing had to be accomplished within the Torah instructions, it had to be running water, which is considered living water.
00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:14.960
It can't be just a dead pool that might have some growth across the top, slime across the top, you have to slide across if you want to get to the water underneath.
00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.320
But running water is life.
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And in Revelation, when it talks about the living water that flows from the throne of God in the New Jerusalem, it doesn't say, oh, there's just a cistern of water that flows out.
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It says there is living water flowing from the throne of God.
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And the should our springs flow in the streets and the streams in public areas?
00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:48.720
My rabbinic answer to that would be yes and no.
00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:50.480
Sounds familiar.
00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.279
And I'm not even a rabbi.
00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:11.279
But we need to have our living water that we receive from Scripture and from God that is in our heart flow to others in a way that draws them to the living water that comes from God, that their lives can be changed also.
00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:24.080
But we can't just let our living water go flowing and follow that living water through the world in a way that we pick up the dirt of the world and it affects our life.
00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:31.120
And that I think is where it's talking about let them be yours alone and not shared with strangers.
00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:39.759
But it says then we want those waters that are flowing from our cistern to be blessed.
00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:46.399
And in that blessing is the delight of a delight of your wife of your youth.
00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:55.440
And the remainder of the chapter describes the delight in a husband-wife relationship from that living water.
00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:01.039
The living water is what brings the delight to that relationship.
00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:19.120
For instance, my beautiful wife of nearly 46 years, I continually tell her every day, to the best of my ability, that she is the most radiantly beautiful, loved woman I know.
00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:32.799
And so as we try and we make the right choices with the water that living water that God has given us, we will have a good life from that water.
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Always.
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For a man's ways are before the eyes of Adonai, and he observes all his paths.
00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:47.919
That's so true, and we so often forget when we do something.
00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:49.840
Oh, nobody's watching.
00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:53.759
And I have an example of that concept.
00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:59.840
After cancer and chemo treatments and surviving, God blessed and took care of me and protected me.
00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:09.519
But there were some after effects that flow in our lives from wickedness or evil that we may have had before God came into our life.
00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:22.879
And one of mine from cancer when chemo was neuropathy in my feet that don't always tell me when I'm firmly on solid ground or when I'm totally lifted my foot.
00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:32.639
So I was chasing my dog one day in the front yard, and I thought my foot was totally off the ground, and I tried to bring it forward and it wasn't.
00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.320
And I fell flat on my face in the grass.
00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:39.840
Fortunately, God blessed me with falling in the grass.
00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:44.480
My first reaction, I looked all around to see who saw me.
00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.000
Nobody saw me, but God saw me.
00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:53.919
And in life, we have those stumbles that we look around, well, nobody saw me, so I'm good.
00:12:54.399 --> 00:13:03.200
And we have to remember that Ad and I always sees what happens in our life and what our choices are.
00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:23.600
And when we think of that and remember that fact, we will make our choices with a more decisive understanding and wisdom and knowledge and walk the right straight and narrow path that was described in the previous chapter.
00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:31.600
And we won't let our evil around us in this world, we live in the world, but we're not of the world.
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So the dirt that splatters on us from the world, we know how to cleanse it off because we're following that straight and narrow path, not turning to the right or to the left, but keeping our eye on God.
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It is important because He does see, He sees it all, even the pain that we go through.
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Well, thank you, Dad, for this conversation.
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And I asked how you liked your coffee.
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You said a cappuccino.
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Can you be a little bit more specific on this episode?
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Yeah, it's a strong, dark roast that is ground to the right grind, run through the cappuccino machine.
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And a perfect, perfect cappuccino, which I don't think anybody really accomplishes, is supposed to be one third espresso, a dark grind coffee, one third steamed milk, and one third frothed milk.
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And if you have a perfect cappuccino, that's what it will be.
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I'm not saying I'm always perfect and that I always like that cappuccino that way.
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I like it more with less steamed liquid milk and more froth, because then that smooth, frothy, steamed milk slowly, slowly dissolves into the dark roast espresso and gives you a smooth flavor that lets you taste the milk, taste the espresso.
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And if it does it right, the froth is higher and it touches your nose when you take a drink.
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Frothing the milk should sound like this.
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That's how I like my cappuccino.
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Well, thank you, Dad.
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Thanks for listening to Coffee with Kaylee Marie.
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Join me on Facebook and let's keep the conversation going.
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Until next time, shalom.
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Thanks for joining me.
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Today we're back around the table to have a conversation about Proverbs 4.
00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:23.920
Before we get started, just a little note, you may hear my security system keeping a close watch in the background.
00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:30.800
His name is Teddy, and he's a very handsome Labador whom I love dearly.
00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:35.439
So if you happen to hear him, just know he's doing his job.
00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:40.799
It's all a part of gathering around the table together.
00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:45.119
Now, let's dive into our conversation.
00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.799
My son, pay attention to my wisdom.
00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:59.359
Incline your ear to my insight, that you may maintain discretion, and your lips may preserve knowledge.
00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:06.239
For a seducing woman's lips drip honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil.
00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:20.159
But in the end, she is bitter as a wormwood, sharp as a double-edged sword, her feet go down to death, her steps lead straight to Sheol.
00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:23.920
She does not keep straight to the path of life.
00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:28.079
Her paths are crooked, but she does not know it.
00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:36.879
So now my sons, listen to me, and do not turn aside from the words of my mouth.
00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:58.000
Keep your path far from her, and do not go near the door of her house, lest you give your strength to others, and your ears to the one who is cruel, lest strangers feast on your strength, your labors go to the a foreigner's house.
00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:06.799
That's quite a bit there of instruction of who to stay away from and that scripture.
00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:25.280
When we look at that, we need to look at what it's describing the her in this chapter is can be not only just a seductive woman, but can be often in scriptural terms described as the harlot.
00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:41.599
And when we look at that, the word harlot is in the Tanakh, which is your Torah, your prophets and your writings, the entire Old Testament.
00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:56.159
God describes transgression as a harlot, most often applied to Israel turning to idol worship and following idolatry.
00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:16.319
And in an idolatry in that context of the Old Testament was often also assigned to pagan worship, which used idolatry or harlotry to in their worship actions, if you will.
00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:26.319
But we see another comparison to that seduction in multiple places in the New Testament.
00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:45.360
Also, most of those are in Revelation, and there the word harlotry harlotry can be compared applied to those that chase after the ways of the world versus the ways of Yeshua's instruction and God.
00:03:47.199 --> 00:04:03.360
And so we have to look at that symbolism and how the Bible and Scripture uses it to compare good and evil and all of the results that come from that.
00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:20.720
And this verse in the verse or chapter in Proverbs does talk about that parlatry or seduction drawing us into a very serious downward spiral in life.
00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.279
Which is applicable to men and women.
00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:27.600
It's not just men.
00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:43.680
Yeah, you you don't want to apply the seduction just as even all even though scripture uses the seduction of women, seducing men to into pagan worship or idolatry, it can go both ways.
00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.319
Men seducing women into it.
00:04:46.800 --> 00:05:03.839
And so that has to be remembered when we read through all of scripture that often one feminine versus male or masculine doesn't necessarily mean that particular group of people.
00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:11.439
It can include both feminine and masculine meanings and comparisons and usage.
00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:25.439
So if we remember to make that understood wherever the context shows that, then we can apply it to anybody in this world, man or woman.
00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:34.959
Well, and it goes on, it picks up in verse 11 kind of what happens when you don't make the right choices.
00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:48.879
At the end of your life, you will groan when your flesh and body are spent, and you will say how I hated discipline, how my heart spurned reproof.
00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:57.199
I would not listen to my teacher's voice, or incline my ear to instruction, to instructors.
00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:16.319
Right.
00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:23.920
But here's where there's an opportunity to grab hold of God's grace and mercy.
00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:47.759
Because even though at the end of your life, when you understand all of the wrong that you've done and how it has destroyed your life, if you turn and cry out to God, even at the end of your life, He will have mercy and grace to draw you in if you truly in your heart turn to him completely and repent.
00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:54.240
And that's the amazing thing of the God we serve is the second chances he gives.
00:06:54.560 --> 00:07:13.680
Even when it's the last shoestring a person is hanging on to, and they call out to him and ask him to enter their life and turn their heart over to him, God will take that shoestring and lift them from Sheol or hell right into his presence.
00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:15.120
So true.
00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:27.199
This is true.
00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:32.079
But that he does give grace and is a good father.
00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.079
Even at the end of our life.
00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:35.199
Even at the end.
00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:43.920
Well, proceeding with verse 15, drink water from your own cistern and running water from your own well.
00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:55.519
Should your springs flow in the streets, your streams of water in the public squares, let them be yours alone, and not shared with strangers.
00:07:55.759 --> 00:08:06.079
May your fountain be blessed, and may you delight in the wife of your youth, a lovely hine, a graceful doe, may her breast satisfy you always.
00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.279
May you always be captivated by her love.
00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:14.000
Why, my son, be captivated by a seducing woman?
00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.800
Why embrace a foreigner's bosom?
00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:23.040
For a man's ways are before the eyes of Adonai, and he observes all his past.
00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:27.519
The iniquities of a wicked man will ensnare him.
00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:31.040
The cords of his sins will hold him down.
00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:38.559
He will die for lack of discipline, led astray by his own great folly.
00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:44.480
Verse 15, there where it says, drink water from your own cistern and running water from your own well.
00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:53.600
In the Jewish understanding, running water is considered to be basically life.
00:08:54.399 --> 00:09:05.759
Because whenever a spiritual cleansing had to be accomplished within the Torah instructions, it had to be running water, which is considered living water.
00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:14.960
It can't be just a dead pool that might have some growth across the top, slime across the top, you have to slide across if you want to get to the water underneath.
00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:18.320
But running water is life.
00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:33.840
And in Revelation, when it talks about the living water that flows from the throne of God in the New Jerusalem, it doesn't say, oh, there's just a cistern of water that flows out.
00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:39.679
It says there is living water flowing from the throne of God.
00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:45.840
And the should our springs flow in the streets and the streams in public areas?
00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:48.720
My rabbinic answer to that would be yes and no.
00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:50.480
Sounds familiar.
00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.279
And I'm not even a rabbi.
00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:11.279
But we need to have our living water that we receive from Scripture and from God that is in our heart flow to others in a way that draws them to the living water that comes from God, that their lives can be changed also.
00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:24.080
But we can't just let our living water go flowing and follow that living water through the world in a way that we pick up the dirt of the world and it affects our life.
00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:31.120
And that I think is where it's talking about let them be yours alone and not shared with strangers.
00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:39.759
But it says then we want those waters that are flowing from our cistern to be blessed.
00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:46.399
And in that blessing is the delight of a delight of your wife of your youth.
00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:55.440
And the remainder of the chapter describes the delight in a husband-wife relationship from that living water.
00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:01.039
The living water is what brings the delight to that relationship.
00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:19.120
For instance, my beautiful wife of nearly 46 years, I continually tell her every day, to the best of my ability, that she is the most radiantly beautiful, loved woman I know.
00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:32.799
And so as we try and we make the right choices with the water that living water that God has given us, we will have a good life from that water.
00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:33.840
Always.
00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:41.360
For a man's ways are before the eyes of Adonai, and he observes all his paths.
00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:47.919
That's so true, and we so often forget when we do something.
00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:49.840
Oh, nobody's watching.
00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:53.759
And I have an example of that concept.
00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:59.840
After cancer and chemo treatments and surviving, God blessed and took care of me and protected me.
00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:09.519
But there were some after effects that flow in our lives from wickedness or evil that we may have had before God came into our life.
00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:22.879
And one of mine from cancer when chemo was neuropathy in my feet that don't always tell me when I'm firmly on solid ground or when I'm totally lifted my foot.
00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:32.639
So I was chasing my dog one day in the front yard, and I thought my foot was totally off the ground, and I tried to bring it forward and it wasn't.
00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.320
And I fell flat on my face in the grass.
00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:39.840
Fortunately, God blessed me with falling in the grass.
00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:44.480
My first reaction, I looked all around to see who saw me.
00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.000
Nobody saw me, but God saw me.
00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:53.919
And in life, we have those stumbles that we look around, well, nobody saw me, so I'm good.
00:12:54.399 --> 00:13:03.200
And we have to remember that Ad and I always sees what happens in our life and what our choices are.
00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:23.600
And when we think of that and remember that fact, we will make our choices with a more decisive understanding and wisdom and knowledge and walk the right straight and narrow path that was described in the previous chapter.
00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:31.600
And we won't let our evil around us in this world, we live in the world, but we're not of the world.
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So the dirt that splatters on us from the world, we know how to cleanse it off because we're following that straight and narrow path, not turning to the right or to the left, but keeping our eye on God.
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It is important because He does see, He sees it all, even the pain that we go through.
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Well, thank you, Dad, for this conversation.
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And I asked how you liked your coffee.
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You said a cappuccino.
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Can you be a little bit more specific on this episode?
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Yeah, it's a strong, dark roast that is ground to the right grind, run through the cappuccino machine.
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And a perfect, perfect cappuccino, which I don't think anybody really accomplishes, is supposed to be one third espresso, a dark grind coffee, one third steamed milk, and one third frothed milk.
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And if you have a perfect cappuccino, that's what it will be.
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I'm not saying I'm always perfect and that I always like that cappuccino that way.
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I like it more with less steamed liquid milk and more froth, because then that smooth, frothy, steamed milk slowly, slowly dissolves into the dark roast espresso and gives you a smooth flavor that lets you taste the milk, taste the espresso.
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And if it does it right, the froth is higher and it touches your nose when you take a drink.
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Frothing the milk should sound like this.
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That's how I like my cappuccino.
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Well, thank you, Dad.
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Thanks for listening to Coffee with Kaylee Marie.
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Until next time, shalom.
