00:00:13
S1: Well, a big event coming up. Track for vision. We've gone to New Zealand in the past. This time we're a bit closer to home. Let's chat about it with one of the clients that are taking part. Catherine O'Toole. Catherine, good to meet you. Thank you for your time.
00:00:25
S2: Thank you Peter. Lovely to chat with you.
00:00:27
S1: And from Orientation and mobility for seeing eye dogs. Katie. So, Katie, thanks for your time.
00:00:33
S2: Hello, Peter. Yeah. No worries at all. Happy to be here.
00:00:36
S1: What made you decide to get involved?
00:00:38
S2: Well, I live with a progressive hereditary disease. Disease called retinitis pigmentosa, or RP. I became legally blind about four years ago after a 40 year nursing career. So I guess I was looking for something to push me both physically and emotionally and get myself back into the world. And I came across Vision Australia's track for vision and it just resonated with me. I can remember my sister saying to me, Kath, you know, you've had a lot of changes recently. Just say yes to everything and work it out later. And here I am.
00:01:19
S1: Okay. What do you know about it? What have you let yourself in for? Or are you going to just let it kind of see what happens?
00:01:26
S2: Oh, I have um, we've, we've got a lovely group together via WhatsApp, which, um, Visual Australia have organised for us, which is great. So we've, we've been chatting, I do know the great Ocean Road a lot. We travelled and walked a lot as a family. However, as a vision impaired person, it'll be a little bit different. So um, I'm looking forward to it.
00:01:51
S1: You're both dead. Okay.
00:01:53
S2: I am based in Adelaide. Yes.
00:01:54
S1: Yeah. And the great Ocean Road, I guess it's kind of more well known for people driving along it rather than walking it or either or.
00:02:02
S2: Because it's.
00:02:03
S3: Going to be either or.
00:02:04
S1: Yeah.
00:02:05
S3: I think the best way to see it would be would be walking, getting into nature. And, and I remember we're going to walk by the the blowhole, I think. And, um, I remember driving it last year and I didn't have time, so I just blew straight past it. But this time you're going to actually get to experience everything and really feel it and, and see it.
00:02:26
S1: At close range.
00:02:27
S3: That's it.
00:02:28
S1: Yeah. How long is it going to take, Katie?
00:02:30
S4: Well, we leave, um, on.
00:02:32
S3: Friday for the 8th of May and then we'll return Sunday afternoon, probably about 5:00. So it's sort of. Yeah, three, three big days.
00:02:39
S1: So pretty full days by the start of it.
00:02:41
S3: Very full.
00:02:42
S1: So now Kelsey, you said never say no. So you should also say prepare for something like this or are you just going to wing it? How you how you going with it?
00:02:52
S2: Oh, I have been preparing. I'm pretty physical because and I like to keep mobile and exercise. So I've been working with fitness exercise physiologist to get my fitness up and, um, you know, increase my endurance learning to navigate different terrains with my white cane. Trying to put my body through or trusting my body and trusting my white cane. And um. Yeah, I'll wing the rest.
00:03:21
S1: Katie, what about the, uh, the terrain you said you'd driven that, uh, area? What about, uh, as far as walking? What can you tell us?
00:03:29
S3: Well, I mean, I'm going to. It's going to be my first time walking the terrain as well, but, um, I know that we've got some narrow paths, some, um, sort of skinny staircases up and down through the ranges and, um, we've got a sand element to it, sort of loose stones, rocky elements. So we, yeah, I think we're going to have a little bit of everything, literal ups and downs. Um, and sort of like all terrain. So I don't think it is rated terribly hard. I think it might be about a two out of five sort of difficulty rating, but that's, you know, we're still doing, um, I think the longest is about 16 K's a second day. And, you know, plus we've got the, um, mother nature element to in, in May. We'll be blown off course with the wind. Who knows?
00:04:16
S1: Yeah. Good. Because obviously, uh, that that area of the state can be pretty windy can't it.
00:04:20
S3: Yes. I am anticipating all four seasons, um, during weather.
00:04:26
S1: Uh, typical Victorian weather. I was going to say exactly that. And I guess, um, in terms of, um, you know, testing people's, uh, skills, Kath talked about the cane. This is the perfect way to be doing that.
00:04:37
S3: Yeah, absolutely. And we've got, um, a range of people as well coming with, um, you know, we've just had a puppy puppy raiser, uh, sign up puppy. We've got people with canes, we've got people using their seeing eye dogs as well, or just walking with a support person or using their low vision strategies and, and, um, hiking poles. So yeah, a little bit thing for everyone.
00:05:00
S1: Fantastic. Now it is a fundraiser. That's right. Katie.
00:05:03
S3: Correct. Yes.
00:05:04
S1: Yes.
00:05:05
S3: We are raising funds for the Seeing Eye Dog Youth program. And, uh, I can tell you. So as an instructor, part of that program, it is a program for, uh, participants, young adults, about 12 to 18 years old. What it is, is it runs for about ten months out of the year. And we're providing those participants with an opportunity to experience firsthand what it's like to, um, work with and care for, um, a seeing eye dog. And during those, those months, we're also talking about their orientation and mobility skills. So we're doing, um, monthly online workshops with them and, and practicals with, um, orientation and mobility specialists. So we're working on their road crossing skills, their advocacy skills, problem solving skills, all the things that will make them, um, great independent travelers. And then the, yeah, the program gives them an opportunity to experience walking with a white cane. And the difference between that and using a seeing eye dog. And it gets to compare and contrast, and then the participants get to hopefully come out with a bit more information and knowing what's right for them in their life.
00:06:15
S1: That's a fantastic skills, aren't they? And I should say it's the kind of a great age, isn't it? If you can get them thinking about these sort of things at 12, 13, 14, it holds them in good stead for the rest of their lives.
00:06:26
S2: Oh yeah. Absolutely. I know how I struggled, you know, being a fiercely independent person and losing my licence. And now I'm on the waiting list for a guide dog. Um, hopefully I'll be matched very soon. But coming to the realization that your site's deteriorated enough, need, you know, a guide dog to help you. But what I'm looking forward to is the independence that it will give me. And I know how valuable orientation and mobility has worked for me to give me confidence and, um, and how people see me, you know? So I can only imagine what it's like for the the young people. So the sooner they have the, um, you know, the guidance from Vision Australia and the help, uh, the more confident they'll be.
00:07:15
S1: Yeah. And so much else going on in their lives at that age as well. Of course. Katie.
00:07:18
S3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, you're full on high school.
00:07:22
S1: Yeah.
00:07:23
S3: Well, all the challenges that that brings. So yeah, it's, it's just an opportunity to. Yeah, to gather information and, and, um, and then move forward, as you know, in that, in that time of their lives where there's lots of transitions happening. It's nice to, to have that extra information about the mobility aids that might be right for them.
00:07:41
S1: Yeah. And Katie, one of those things that, you know, we often talk about, you know, it's good to know what you don't want as well. So someone, you know, expenses 12 months and thinks, well, actually, I don't think a seeing eye dog is for me. Not yet anyway. That's kind of very important as well, isn't it?
00:07:56
S3: Absolutely. Kath. Yeah.
00:07:57
S2: Yes it is. It's taken me to be honest, a couple of years to be accepting of it. And you know, I've muddled through with my white cane and after a few falls and things like that, I've really accepted. It's taken me a while. So you're right. If you're, you know, a young person, you know, through the teenage years, it would be difficult to know what's good for them. I live on my own. So also the companionship of seeing eye dog. Yeah. Um, will be great as well. So yeah.
00:08:29
S1: And of course, Katie, it's the sort of thing where, um, you know, they're going to be growing up maybe a little bit quicker than their peers at the same sort of age. I mean, they're learning quite, uh, large responsibilities. It's a bit more than just having a pet around the house.
00:08:41
S3: Oh, yes. Yes it is. Uh, you, uh, you can't get home from school and, and pop the seeing eye dog in the corner. Um, and you don't have to toilet a white cane. And, um, so it's, it's very different. It's very, very different. It's, it's an incredible experience. It's a different way of traveling with a seeing eye dog versus a cane. And it's just. Yeah. But then you get the companionship that a dog brings. But we do give the participants of the program, you know, they come and it, they, they literally come to Melbourne and we pair them with a seeing eye dog and they get to live with that dog in our residence for, for two nights. And yeah, they're fully responsible for the feeding, toileting, grooming, maintaining the training. And we workshop all of those things. Um, give them a taste of what it's really like.
00:09:28
S1: And it's one of those things where I guess the, the course, if you like, is kind of evolving as time goes on. I guess everyone's learning as, as we go through.
00:09:36
S3: Yes, yes they are. And it's been such a successful program actually, that we've had some feedback that we're going to be running an adult version of the program as well. Okay. So yeah, we'll, we'll give, um, yeah, adults and experience working with the seeing eye dog and caring for one as well.
00:09:52
S1: So if I may ask, are you on a waiting list or what's kind of the situation for you? Then you've done the training with the with your white cane and your. You know, kind of found out about the the do's and don'ts or the, the pluses and minuses for a seeing eye dog. Are you kind of now on the waiting list? How's that will work?
00:10:07
S2: I am on a waiting list. I've been using my cane for about three and a half years, and I had quite extensive orientation and mobility, 1 to 1 training. But as my sight has deteriorated further, they felt I would benefit with the seeing eye dog. Um, so I've kind of been, it's an interesting, um, process, which you don't know things until you don't who, you know, you need it. Um, the profiling is quite, um, intensive. So I had a few walks even just, you know, how I, my rate of walking has to match the dog's rate of walking. Even the size of dogs is some smaller dogs. I'm only five foot if I stand up really tall. Um, and that is a, um, you know, quite a significant thing to match as well. I would have been matched with a dog, but right at the last minute she developed a, um, a skin irritation. Unfortunately, that precluded her from becoming a guide, but she's now gone on to be an assistance dog, so I'm hopefully I will by July be matched again.
00:11:15
S1: Alright, well, good luck with that. Yeah. And are you have you are you back at uni or are you starting uni this year.
00:11:20
S2: Yes, I've, I'm in my second year of uni. That's one of the reasons I wanted to get back in the world and keep my mind going. So, um, I enrolled in a Bachelor of Sociology and Psychology last year. It had been probably about 11 years since I studied my master's degree and becoming a nurse practitioner. And I had most of my sight back then, so I didn't really comprehend how different it would be until I started. And accessibility has been a huge hurdle, I have to say. So I've just started this week in my second year, and orientating around the uni independently has been quite difficult. Yeah, it still surprises me how it's disability and inclusion isn't what it should be, but maybe that's part of my journey to help make some changes. Advocate for blind and low vision people. So I kind of my new mantra these days is I may have lost vision, but I certainly have found purpose. So I'd like I'd like to channel that purpose in advocating for blind and low vision people and make changes where I can.
00:12:37
S1: It's a very powerful story, isn't it? I guess it's a great example of, um, well, what, uh, what can happen when you, you know, sort of decide to get a seeing eye dog and the kind of a philosophy and, and the, uh, the thoughts that go behind it, you know, into it as well.
00:12:52
S2: Definitely. Definitely. Yes. Yeah.
00:12:53
S5: All right.
00:12:54
S1: Now, you're still looking for a few more people to join you on the on the track course?
00:13:00
S2: Yeah. Join us. Yeah. Yeah. The registrations are officially closing, uh, this week, the 6th of March. So yeah, we would, we would love to have, um, anyone come come along and support the track.
00:13:15
S1: Were you fairly a couple of nice people? I think. I think I could put up with you for a couple of days.
00:13:19
S2: Come on. I'll probably put up.
00:13:20
S5: Have you put up if.
00:13:22
S1: I'm not sure about you, Katie. But anyway.
00:13:26
S2: I think I'll be lagging behind at the barrack, where.
00:13:29
S1: You'll be way ahead of me. Probably two days ahead of me now. We'll put a link on our show notes as to how people can register, but it's obviously a great thing. And I mean, you know, just the little time we've spent with Cath gives us a great insight into what goes into matching a person with a seeing eye dog. And then obviously the the difference that can make. So that's a great little snapshot of what the fundraising can do and what the fundraising will do.
00:13:53
S2: Absolutely. Oh, yes. Absolutely. Yeah.
00:13:56
S1: Yeah. Good luck. Thank you. Thank you. I've got so many questions about your nursing. And then, uh, you know, being diagnosed with the vision impairment, we'll have to put that aside for another interview because that probably. Well, that does deserve an independent site. Katie, thanks for your time. Good luck. Make sure, uh, it all goes well. We'll actually what we'll do is we'll definitely, uh, keep in touch and, and get back to you, both of you, after you've done it. So you can tell us all the gory details.
00:14:20
S2: I'd love to.
00:14:23
S1: Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Thanks.
00:14:25
S2: Thanks, Peter. Thanks, Kath. Thanks, Katie. See you soon. Bye.
00:14:30
S1: It's a cafe tour. And also Katie Farrell there from, uh, Seeing Eye Dogs Australia. Their vision coming up. But we can register by the end of this week. And I'm sure if you're a little bit late, they'll be kind. But to reach the bottom this week we'll put those details up with our show notes. The event is on in May, and we'll catch up with them after it's all over and find out how it goes.
S1: Well, a big event coming up. Track for vision. We've gone to New Zealand in the past. This time we're a bit closer to home. Let's chat about it with one of the clients that are taking part. Catherine O'Toole. Catherine, good to meet you. Thank you for your time.
00:00:25
S2: Thank you Peter. Lovely to chat with you.
00:00:27
S1: And from Orientation and mobility for seeing eye dogs. Katie. So, Katie, thanks for your time.
00:00:33
S2: Hello, Peter. Yeah. No worries at all. Happy to be here.
00:00:36
S1: What made you decide to get involved?
00:00:38
S2: Well, I live with a progressive hereditary disease. Disease called retinitis pigmentosa, or RP. I became legally blind about four years ago after a 40 year nursing career. So I guess I was looking for something to push me both physically and emotionally and get myself back into the world. And I came across Vision Australia's track for vision and it just resonated with me. I can remember my sister saying to me, Kath, you know, you've had a lot of changes recently. Just say yes to everything and work it out later. And here I am.
00:01:19
S1: Okay. What do you know about it? What have you let yourself in for? Or are you going to just let it kind of see what happens?
00:01:26
S2: Oh, I have um, we've, we've got a lovely group together via WhatsApp, which, um, Visual Australia have organised for us, which is great. So we've, we've been chatting, I do know the great Ocean Road a lot. We travelled and walked a lot as a family. However, as a vision impaired person, it'll be a little bit different. So um, I'm looking forward to it.
00:01:51
S1: You're both dead. Okay.
00:01:53
S2: I am based in Adelaide. Yes.
00:01:54
S1: Yeah. And the great Ocean Road, I guess it's kind of more well known for people driving along it rather than walking it or either or.
00:02:02
S2: Because it's.
00:02:03
S3: Going to be either or.
00:02:04
S1: Yeah.
00:02:05
S3: I think the best way to see it would be would be walking, getting into nature. And, and I remember we're going to walk by the the blowhole, I think. And, um, I remember driving it last year and I didn't have time, so I just blew straight past it. But this time you're going to actually get to experience everything and really feel it and, and see it.
00:02:26
S1: At close range.
00:02:27
S3: That's it.
00:02:28
S1: Yeah. How long is it going to take, Katie?
00:02:30
S4: Well, we leave, um, on.
00:02:32
S3: Friday for the 8th of May and then we'll return Sunday afternoon, probably about 5:00. So it's sort of. Yeah, three, three big days.
00:02:39
S1: So pretty full days by the start of it.
00:02:41
S3: Very full.
00:02:42
S1: So now Kelsey, you said never say no. So you should also say prepare for something like this or are you just going to wing it? How you how you going with it?
00:02:52
S2: Oh, I have been preparing. I'm pretty physical because and I like to keep mobile and exercise. So I've been working with fitness exercise physiologist to get my fitness up and, um, you know, increase my endurance learning to navigate different terrains with my white cane. Trying to put my body through or trusting my body and trusting my white cane. And um. Yeah, I'll wing the rest.
00:03:21
S1: Katie, what about the, uh, the terrain you said you'd driven that, uh, area? What about, uh, as far as walking? What can you tell us?
00:03:29
S3: Well, I mean, I'm going to. It's going to be my first time walking the terrain as well, but, um, I know that we've got some narrow paths, some, um, sort of skinny staircases up and down through the ranges and, um, we've got a sand element to it, sort of loose stones, rocky elements. So we, yeah, I think we're going to have a little bit of everything, literal ups and downs. Um, and sort of like all terrain. So I don't think it is rated terribly hard. I think it might be about a two out of five sort of difficulty rating, but that's, you know, we're still doing, um, I think the longest is about 16 K's a second day. And, you know, plus we've got the, um, mother nature element to in, in May. We'll be blown off course with the wind. Who knows?
00:04:16
S1: Yeah. Good. Because obviously, uh, that that area of the state can be pretty windy can't it.
00:04:20
S3: Yes. I am anticipating all four seasons, um, during weather.
00:04:26
S1: Uh, typical Victorian weather. I was going to say exactly that. And I guess, um, in terms of, um, you know, testing people's, uh, skills, Kath talked about the cane. This is the perfect way to be doing that.
00:04:37
S3: Yeah, absolutely. And we've got, um, a range of people as well coming with, um, you know, we've just had a puppy puppy raiser, uh, sign up puppy. We've got people with canes, we've got people using their seeing eye dogs as well, or just walking with a support person or using their low vision strategies and, and, um, hiking poles. So yeah, a little bit thing for everyone.
00:05:00
S1: Fantastic. Now it is a fundraiser. That's right. Katie.
00:05:03
S3: Correct. Yes.
00:05:04
S1: Yes.
00:05:05
S3: We are raising funds for the Seeing Eye Dog Youth program. And, uh, I can tell you. So as an instructor, part of that program, it is a program for, uh, participants, young adults, about 12 to 18 years old. What it is, is it runs for about ten months out of the year. And we're providing those participants with an opportunity to experience firsthand what it's like to, um, work with and care for, um, a seeing eye dog. And during those, those months, we're also talking about their orientation and mobility skills. So we're doing, um, monthly online workshops with them and, and practicals with, um, orientation and mobility specialists. So we're working on their road crossing skills, their advocacy skills, problem solving skills, all the things that will make them, um, great independent travelers. And then the, yeah, the program gives them an opportunity to experience walking with a white cane. And the difference between that and using a seeing eye dog. And it gets to compare and contrast, and then the participants get to hopefully come out with a bit more information and knowing what's right for them in their life.
00:06:15
S1: That's a fantastic skills, aren't they? And I should say it's the kind of a great age, isn't it? If you can get them thinking about these sort of things at 12, 13, 14, it holds them in good stead for the rest of their lives.
00:06:26
S2: Oh yeah. Absolutely. I know how I struggled, you know, being a fiercely independent person and losing my licence. And now I'm on the waiting list for a guide dog. Um, hopefully I'll be matched very soon. But coming to the realization that your site's deteriorated enough, need, you know, a guide dog to help you. But what I'm looking forward to is the independence that it will give me. And I know how valuable orientation and mobility has worked for me to give me confidence and, um, and how people see me, you know? So I can only imagine what it's like for the the young people. So the sooner they have the, um, you know, the guidance from Vision Australia and the help, uh, the more confident they'll be.
00:07:15
S1: Yeah. And so much else going on in their lives at that age as well. Of course. Katie.
00:07:18
S3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, you're full on high school.
00:07:22
S1: Yeah.
00:07:23
S3: Well, all the challenges that that brings. So yeah, it's, it's just an opportunity to. Yeah, to gather information and, and, um, and then move forward, as you know, in that, in that time of their lives where there's lots of transitions happening. It's nice to, to have that extra information about the mobility aids that might be right for them.
00:07:41
S1: Yeah. And Katie, one of those things that, you know, we often talk about, you know, it's good to know what you don't want as well. So someone, you know, expenses 12 months and thinks, well, actually, I don't think a seeing eye dog is for me. Not yet anyway. That's kind of very important as well, isn't it?
00:07:56
S3: Absolutely. Kath. Yeah.
00:07:57
S2: Yes it is. It's taken me to be honest, a couple of years to be accepting of it. And you know, I've muddled through with my white cane and after a few falls and things like that, I've really accepted. It's taken me a while. So you're right. If you're, you know, a young person, you know, through the teenage years, it would be difficult to know what's good for them. I live on my own. So also the companionship of seeing eye dog. Yeah. Um, will be great as well. So yeah.
00:08:29
S1: And of course, Katie, it's the sort of thing where, um, you know, they're going to be growing up maybe a little bit quicker than their peers at the same sort of age. I mean, they're learning quite, uh, large responsibilities. It's a bit more than just having a pet around the house.
00:08:41
S3: Oh, yes. Yes it is. Uh, you, uh, you can't get home from school and, and pop the seeing eye dog in the corner. Um, and you don't have to toilet a white cane. And, um, so it's, it's very different. It's very, very different. It's, it's an incredible experience. It's a different way of traveling with a seeing eye dog versus a cane. And it's just. Yeah. But then you get the companionship that a dog brings. But we do give the participants of the program, you know, they come and it, they, they literally come to Melbourne and we pair them with a seeing eye dog and they get to live with that dog in our residence for, for two nights. And yeah, they're fully responsible for the feeding, toileting, grooming, maintaining the training. And we workshop all of those things. Um, give them a taste of what it's really like.
00:09:28
S1: And it's one of those things where I guess the, the course, if you like, is kind of evolving as time goes on. I guess everyone's learning as, as we go through.
00:09:36
S3: Yes, yes they are. And it's been such a successful program actually, that we've had some feedback that we're going to be running an adult version of the program as well. Okay. So yeah, we'll, we'll give, um, yeah, adults and experience working with the seeing eye dog and caring for one as well.
00:09:52
S1: So if I may ask, are you on a waiting list or what's kind of the situation for you? Then you've done the training with the with your white cane and your. You know, kind of found out about the the do's and don'ts or the, the pluses and minuses for a seeing eye dog. Are you kind of now on the waiting list? How's that will work?
00:10:07
S2: I am on a waiting list. I've been using my cane for about three and a half years, and I had quite extensive orientation and mobility, 1 to 1 training. But as my sight has deteriorated further, they felt I would benefit with the seeing eye dog. Um, so I've kind of been, it's an interesting, um, process, which you don't know things until you don't who, you know, you need it. Um, the profiling is quite, um, intensive. So I had a few walks even just, you know, how I, my rate of walking has to match the dog's rate of walking. Even the size of dogs is some smaller dogs. I'm only five foot if I stand up really tall. Um, and that is a, um, you know, quite a significant thing to match as well. I would have been matched with a dog, but right at the last minute she developed a, um, a skin irritation. Unfortunately, that precluded her from becoming a guide, but she's now gone on to be an assistance dog, so I'm hopefully I will by July be matched again.
00:11:15
S1: Alright, well, good luck with that. Yeah. And are you have you are you back at uni or are you starting uni this year.
00:11:20
S2: Yes, I've, I'm in my second year of uni. That's one of the reasons I wanted to get back in the world and keep my mind going. So, um, I enrolled in a Bachelor of Sociology and Psychology last year. It had been probably about 11 years since I studied my master's degree and becoming a nurse practitioner. And I had most of my sight back then, so I didn't really comprehend how different it would be until I started. And accessibility has been a huge hurdle, I have to say. So I've just started this week in my second year, and orientating around the uni independently has been quite difficult. Yeah, it still surprises me how it's disability and inclusion isn't what it should be, but maybe that's part of my journey to help make some changes. Advocate for blind and low vision people. So I kind of my new mantra these days is I may have lost vision, but I certainly have found purpose. So I'd like I'd like to channel that purpose in advocating for blind and low vision people and make changes where I can.
00:12:37
S1: It's a very powerful story, isn't it? I guess it's a great example of, um, well, what, uh, what can happen when you, you know, sort of decide to get a seeing eye dog and the kind of a philosophy and, and the, uh, the thoughts that go behind it, you know, into it as well.
00:12:52
S2: Definitely. Definitely. Yes. Yeah.
00:12:53
S5: All right.
00:12:54
S1: Now, you're still looking for a few more people to join you on the on the track course?
00:13:00
S2: Yeah. Join us. Yeah. Yeah. The registrations are officially closing, uh, this week, the 6th of March. So yeah, we would, we would love to have, um, anyone come come along and support the track.
00:13:15
S1: Were you fairly a couple of nice people? I think. I think I could put up with you for a couple of days.
00:13:19
S2: Come on. I'll probably put up.
00:13:20
S5: Have you put up if.
00:13:22
S1: I'm not sure about you, Katie. But anyway.
00:13:26
S2: I think I'll be lagging behind at the barrack, where.
00:13:29
S1: You'll be way ahead of me. Probably two days ahead of me now. We'll put a link on our show notes as to how people can register, but it's obviously a great thing. And I mean, you know, just the little time we've spent with Cath gives us a great insight into what goes into matching a person with a seeing eye dog. And then obviously the the difference that can make. So that's a great little snapshot of what the fundraising can do and what the fundraising will do.
00:13:53
S2: Absolutely. Oh, yes. Absolutely. Yeah.
00:13:56
S1: Yeah. Good luck. Thank you. Thank you. I've got so many questions about your nursing. And then, uh, you know, being diagnosed with the vision impairment, we'll have to put that aside for another interview because that probably. Well, that does deserve an independent site. Katie, thanks for your time. Good luck. Make sure, uh, it all goes well. We'll actually what we'll do is we'll definitely, uh, keep in touch and, and get back to you, both of you, after you've done it. So you can tell us all the gory details.
00:14:20
S2: I'd love to.
00:14:23
S1: Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Thanks.
00:14:25
S2: Thanks, Peter. Thanks, Kath. Thanks, Katie. See you soon. Bye.
00:14:30
S1: It's a cafe tour. And also Katie Farrell there from, uh, Seeing Eye Dogs Australia. Their vision coming up. But we can register by the end of this week. And I'm sure if you're a little bit late, they'll be kind. But to reach the bottom this week we'll put those details up with our show notes. The event is on in May, and we'll catch up with them after it's all over and find out how it goes.
