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We're recording juice.
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Awesome.
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With another episode of the Hidden Threads podcast.
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You just can't get enough of these things.
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So we, you know, we got the war in Iran with Iran going on.
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Is it really a war though?
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I don't think it is.
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I think it's just a uh strategic strikes.
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You know, what's interesting there is the you know, China gets most of their oil from Iran and Venezuela.
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Yes.
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Not anymore.
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Is it shocking that we cut off the heads of both of those places?
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No, not at all.
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And then you got Cuba fishermen.
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They're waving in the wind right now, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Where do they get their oil?
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Venezuela, right?
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Yeah.
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They're they're probably upset.
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They'll probably implode internally, right?
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Yeah, they upset Trump and President Trump and Pete Heggseth.
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They upset them when they killed those fishermen.
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Oh yeah.
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That's right.
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Just dudes out fishing, right?
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Yeah.
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They're kind of like, hey, look, it's Cuba.
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And then they start getting it.
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Was it Americans?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's not good.
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No.
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Not not for anybody.
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Or if the president or whatever he is of Cuba called and said, hey, we're sorry.
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Don't shoot it.
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Don't kill you.
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Please don't kill all of us in one shot.
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But uh I wonder if Cuba has any political prisoners from the United States there.
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I've never looked it up.
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Oh, I'm sure they do.
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No, China does.
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Oh yeah.
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There are some in Iran too, right?
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There's there's everywhere.
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You know, where one of our dudes goes in and does something stupid or whatever and gets picked up.
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Sometimes it's not stupid, but uh.
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I don't know.
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They've had this coming since 1979.
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Was it 69 or 199, yeah?
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Yeah, they were uh so ever since I've been a kid, Iran's been waving the swords, rattling the swords, man.
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Yeah, and they've done it several times over the years, you know.
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The USS Coal and you know, Beirut, the the barracks bombing that killed all the Marines and Yep.
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And then Iraq, those explosively formed projectiles we would find.
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Oh, yeah.
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So you had the ones made in Iraq and they were kind of rudimentary.
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They're made out of paint cans and stuff, which they still work.
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But the ones that would look like they were made from an industrial machining machine shop, those are the ones from Iran.
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Yeah.
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Like you know what I mean.
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They were pressed out and you know, came from a mold.
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Oh, yeah.
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And they're good.
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They looked good.
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And they were more I wouldn't say they're more, they're all deadly, but there's didn't work.
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They're fast fires and things like that.
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Yeah.
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They had real blasting caps instead of some bull crap put together in matches.
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Like you'd see some of that as well in Iraq.
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But you saw a lot of that in Afghanistan too.
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They had real life, no, like they built these in their kitchen.
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Oh yeah.
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You gotta have hobbies.
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You know what I mean?
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Like they use mat they they packed matches together.
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Oh, yeah.
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Made blasting caps out of them, which work.
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They work, man.
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Yeah, they're effective.
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It's still good in it.
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It's an initiator.
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I wouldn't say it's a good one.
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No, but it works.
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Most of the time.
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Yeah.
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Not all the time.
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It'll still kill you.
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So but our topic today, Jews, this guy.
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We ain't talked about a serial killer in a while.
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Oh, okay.
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But Hamilton, Howard Albert Fish.
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Ooh, he's royalty.
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Do you read up on him a little bit?
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Yeah.
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This guy.
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What a sick individual.
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All right.
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You want to read about him a little bit?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Albert Fish, that's what he goes by.
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Was born Hamilton Howard Fish in Washington, D.C.
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on May 19th, 1870, to Randall Fish and Ellen Francis Howell.
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Fish's father was an American of English ancestry.
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Jeez.
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Is it your kin folks?
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Yeah.
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I'm English as well.
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And his mother was Scots-Irish, American.
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His father was 43 years old 43 years older than his mother.
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How about that?
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And age 75 at the time of his birth.
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Mr.
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Fish.
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And the young girls.
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Anyway.
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Fish was his family's youngest child and had three living siblings, Walter, Annie, and Edwin.
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He wished to be known as Albert after a dead sibling.
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Yeah.
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And it escaped the nickname Ham and Eggs that he was given at an orphanage in which he spent much of his childhood.
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So apparently his dad died and his mom couldn't handle him, so they put him in an orphanage for a while.
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Right.
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And when they were kids.
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So Fish's family had a history of mental illness.
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His uncle had mania.
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Is that a thing now?
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More specific now.
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One of his brothers was confined in a state mental hospital.
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A paternal half brother suffered from schizophrenia, and his sister Annie was diagnosed with mental affliction.
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Three other relatives were diagnosed with mental illness, and his mother had oral and or visual hallucinations.
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Oh yeah.
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Man, they got it going on.
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Yeah.
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They all should be in the loony bin.
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I I like his nickname though, Ham and Eggs.
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Ham and Egg?
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I'm gonna start calling you Ham and Eggs.
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Yeah, that that's loser.
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Is that what it means?
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Yeah.
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I think we talked about that.
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Did it?
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Yeah, they they call somebody back home a ham and agre.
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And it's because of the coal mines on Fridays they'd have fights, and whoever lost got a piece of ham and a couple of eggs.
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And whoever won got the purse, the money.
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Okay.
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So if you were a loser, they call you a ham and agreer.
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Okay.
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I don't know why they're calling a poor guy a loser.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Ham and egg.
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It was a weird family.
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How about that?
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Yeah.
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They they all had mental health issues.
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All right.
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So here's his dad.
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So on October 16, 1875, Fish's father, a fertilizer manufacturer and former riverboat captain, suffered a fatal heart attack at the Baltimore and Potomac Railroad Station.
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So let me ask you this.
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You think about this family being around so much fertilizer might have caused some mental problems?
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Well, back then, OSHA wasn't doing their job.
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Some of that fertilizer is metal heavy, and it can cause you to lose your mind a little bit if you got too much metal in your system.
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I don't know.
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Maybe so.
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His mother then put him in the St.
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John's orphanage in Washington, D.C., where he was frequently physically abused.
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However, fish began to enjoy the physical pain brought by the beatings.
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This guy's crazy, man.
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He loved it.
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He started trouble just so he could get the feet down.
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Yeah.
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By 1880, Fish's mother secured a government job and was able to remove him from the orphanage.
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Damage is done already, in my opinion.
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Yeah, he at that point he was already cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
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In 1882, at age of 12, Fish began a relationship with a telegraph boy.
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The youth introduced Fish to such practices as drinking urine and eating thces.
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How's that like, hey man, let's go chill and drink some pee?
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I don't know.
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It's like eating mid-rats on ship.
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That didn't have urine and thesis in it, though.
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I'm not so sure.
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We caught it, you know what, on a shingle, though.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes the mid rats weren't good at all.
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I remember we would go, we'd all play cards or chess all night, and we need to go, and they would get to the point where they're like, Marines, unless you're on duty, you can't have mid rats anymore.
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We're like, oh come on.
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You know.
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If you had watched you could go.
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So Fish began visiting public baths where he could watch other boys undress, spending a great portion of his weekend at these visits.
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Throughout his life, he would write obscene letters to women whose names he acquired from classified advertising and matrimonial agencies.
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So he was spamming people with letters.
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Yeah.
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Alright, let's get a recap here.
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So he was raped and abused as an orphanage.
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He liked it.
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Oh yeah.
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Met a guy that started taught him how to eat feces.
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I don't know what the teaching is.
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You just do it.
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And drinking pee.
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And then he started going to the public bath, like the public pool, I guess, and watching boys undress and stuff in the bathroom.
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This guy's got some issues, man.
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If it's a survival situation, I'll drink my pee.
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After we drain it through some dirt, though.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We're gonna clean it a little bit.
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We're not drinking it straight from the tap.
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I did that where you strain it through the dirt.
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It still tastes like pea and it's and then it's you add dirt flavor to it.
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Oh yeah.
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I mean you won't die.
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No, but you know.
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It gets all the crystallized stuff.
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They told me what it gets out of the dirt gets all the uric acid out of it.
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Yeah, ureic acid.
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It still tastes like crap.
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Oh yeah.
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So here we go, 1890 to 1918.
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He got an early criminal history here, Juice.
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Imagine that.
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By 1890, at age 20, Fish moved to New York City.
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There he engaged in male prostitution and began molesting and raping boys, mostly less than six years old.
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Man, this guy's got some issues.
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So you know, I see the arrests all the time.
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Of I get the little highlight in my little text message and emails where getting you inmates of the Cap County or Marshall County or more.
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Oh, yeah.
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A lot of child sex abuse.
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I don't A lot.
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That's a mental demonic thing, man.
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I don't unfortunately they slap them on the wrist when they should blow their head off.
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But that's a personal opinion.
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Yeah, they should be six foot under in my opinion.
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But um and they're to me, they say, oh, they've been rehabilitated.
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If you're a pedophile, there's no such thing as rehabilitation.
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The only way you rehabilitate is if you're dead.
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Right.
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I got a call the other day from a guy.
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He's out on bond now, he's got it waiting a trial, but he got pinched in one of these deals where he got online, found a prostitute, was gonna meet her at the hotel.
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Right?
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One of those websites or apps or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Uh consenting adults.
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1-800 get a get a get a get a hoe.
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1-800 hooker.
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W get ahoe.com or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, and while he was on the way there, she texts him and said, Hey, I'm only 15.
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If he'd have turned around and went home, but he didn't.
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He went there, and as he walked in the door, you know, they said, Hey, you're under arrest, kind of thing.
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He's trying to get me to say they entrapped him.
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I said, I don't think that's not entrapment.
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That's you committing a crime.
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Yeah.
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So he's mad.
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He was mad at me.
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I got entrapped.
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No, you didn't.
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They didn't force you to go do that at all.
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Entrapment includes they make you do it, right?
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So Yeah.
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I mean, you know, they tell you, oh, you know, I'm over 18, I'm 22, I'm 22, I'm 22.
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You get there on your way, they tell you, no, I'm 15.
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Okay, don't be an idiot.
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Don't continue to go.
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Yeah.
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He showed up at the room and went in.
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If he would have just said, she told me she was 22, when she said 15, I was done.
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I turned around and went home.
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This is obviously the cop text text them.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Get it all on record, so he's done.
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So yeah, he's cooked.
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I did not take his money.
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So anyway.
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Yeah.
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He's a wealthier guy around here, too.
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So that's all right.
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Well, he he probably needs to buy a pillow that's bite proof.
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I wonder what the uh sentence is for that.
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He didn't actually carry out the act, but it doesn't matter.
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Yeah.
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He's gonna get hit as a sexual predator and have to register and everything else.
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He might not get along jail time.
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Unless he he talks them into doing a plea deal for him.
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Some kind of mental health counseling or whatever.
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So I'm not gonna say a name.
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He's people know him around here.
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So all right.
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So this guy later recounted, we're gonna go back to Fish here, right?
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Right, right.
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His sexual deviance is what we're getting into.
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Oh, yeah.
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Fish later recounted an incident in which a male uh lover took him to a wax museum where he was fascinated by a bisection of a human penis and subsequently became obsessed with sexual mutilation.
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Romantic juice.
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Oh yeah.
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Several years later, around 1910, Fish was working in Wilmington, Delaware.
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And that's where Joe Biden's from, your favorite president.
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Oh yeah.
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You're your your bestest buddy.
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That's Bill and Ted's what is it?
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Bill and Ted's excellent adventure carried the dead guy around.
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When he met a 19-year-old man named Thomas Bedon, he took Bedon to where he was staying, and the two began a sadomasochistic relationship.
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That's a big word.
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It is unclear whether this sadomasochism was consensual on Bedon's part, but Fish's later confession implied that Bedden was an intellectually disabled.
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So he's got this disabled kid messing around.
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This guy's gross.
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After ten days, Fish took Bedon to an old farmhouse where he tortured him over two weeks.
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Fish eventually tied Bedon up and cut it off half his penis.
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He said, I shall never forget his scream or the look he gave me, Fish later recalled.
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He originally originally intended to kill Bedon, cut up his body, and take it home, but he feared the hot weather would draw attention.
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Instead, Fish poured peroxide over the wound, wrapped it with vaseline-covered handkerchief, and left ten dollars, pissed Bedon goodbye, and left.
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With that with half of a male part.
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Man.
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He said he took the first training to get back home.
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Never heard what came of him, but he did try to find out.
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This guy's what do you think of this guy so far?
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You know, I've I've uh taken several psychology classes and I just can't understand and I I probably never will, with people with the fascination of mutilating another person and and raping other people.
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I know it's a control thing, I know it's you know, violence, and it they that that's their thing.
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That's what what gets them off, but I just don't understand it.
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I I I will never understand it.
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Right.
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The uh It's a sexual thing, it's like the other serial killers we talk about, you know, they get sexual gratification out of seeing somebody die or be tortured, suffer, whatever.
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Not sure what how that works because I don't have that wire in my brain.
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So all right, here we go.
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So Fish began to have auditory hallucinations.
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Hallucinations.
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He once wrapped himself in a carpet saying that he was following the instructions of John the Apostle.
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So John the Apostle said, Wrap yourself in a carpet?
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Apparently.
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Really?
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Okay.
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It was about this time that Fish began to indulge in self-harm by embedding needles into his groin and abdomen.
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What do you think of that?
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A little weird.
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It is.
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After his arrest, X-rays revealed that Fish had at least 29 needles lodged in his pelvic region.
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He also hit himself repeatedly with nail studded with a nail-studded paddle and inserted wool douse with lighter fluid into his rectum and set it on fire.
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While Fish was never thought to have physically attacked or abused his children, he did encourage them and their friends to paddle his buttocks with the same nail-studded paddle he used to abuse himself.
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Hey kid, come paddle me with this That's crazy.
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Alright.
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Around 1919, Fish stabbed an intellectually disabled boy in Georgetown.
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He often chose people who are either mentally disabled or African America as his victims, later explaining that he assumed these people would not be missed when they were killed.
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So this is early in the city, 1919, 1930s.
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So I guess African Americans, you know, they were we still had race pensions then, right?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Then the mentally handicapped, they were not.
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They said, Oh, he wandered off and died, probably.
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Whatever.
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Yeah, well, you know, families used to hide the the children that had, you know, issues like that.
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We didn't have as much information back then, did we?
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So later claim to have occasionally paid boys to procure other children for him.
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He was like the Jeffrey Epstein at the time.
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Oh, yeah.
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The gay version, right?
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Well, Dahmer, Epstein, Cross.
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Did Dahmer pay people?
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Did he pay people to bring them to him or I can't remember?
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Uh well, I Epstein did, but Dahmer decided to make finger sandwiches out of them and stuff.
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Yeah, he put them in the freezer and stuff.
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Yeah.
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He had like half of legs and stuff in his bathtub.
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He would hang up like this at a butcher shop.
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Yeah.
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But um he offered money to come help him look for rhubarb.
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Uh see, here's a girl.
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I got ahead of myself.
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Fish found an eight-year-old Beatrice Kill playing alone in her parents' farm in Staten Island, New York.
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He offered her money to come and help him look for rhubarb.
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She was about to leave the farm when her mother chased Fish away.
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Fish left, but returned later to the Kills farm where he tried to sleep, but was discovered by Beatrice's father and forced to leave.
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In 1924, the 54-year-old Fish, suffering from psychosis, felt that God was commanding him to torture and sexually mutilate children.
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He needed a bullet early in life.
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Yeah.
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I didn't either.
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No, I I didn't.
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I I know some other ones that are out there, but this guy, but you know, like you said, you look back on it, his dad was a fertilizer manufacturer.
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Right.
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And there's just a preponderance of of similarities that all siblings and mother and they all had mental health issues.
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Yeah.
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So it goes to say, you know, he this kid got some strikes against him, or this guy at the time as a child had some strikes against him.
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And uh once he realized he can get away with some stuff, I think it just intensified for him.
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You think the fertilizer had anything to do with it?
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Yeah, I do.
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Do you?
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I I do.
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I mean, there was something wrong.
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I think mental health issues, some of them I I would consider genetics.
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And I don't think it adds to it the fact of the chemicals back then.
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Because honestly, there was no OSHA back then.
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Right.
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You know?
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When I was a kid, I remember the planes would fly around and and spread DDT.
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Was it called DDT?
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Oh, yeah.
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DT or whatever.
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Mosquitoes and stuff.
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Yeah.
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It just plane.
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I thought it was cool.
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The plane, look, you know.
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Yeah, Agent Orange.
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We didn't have as many bugs back then.
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No.
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But you know, you had three eyes and and you know, four testicles, but that's okay.
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The dude just died.
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Random heart attacks at age 40, you know.
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But uh, so we get into a really bad thing.
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He abducted this girl named Grace Bud, and he says he attempted to test his implements of hell on a 10-year-old, this 10-year-old girl.
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All right, let's get into it.
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This one's kind of this is sad.
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On May 25th, 1928, Fish saw a classified advertisement in a Sunday edition of the New York World.
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That's not around anymore, is it?
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Nope.
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That read, young man 18, wishes position in country.
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Right?
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Edward Bud 406, gave the address.
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On May 28th, Fish, then 58 years old, visited a Bud family in Manhattan under the pretense of hiring Edward.
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He later confessed that he planned to tie Bird up, mutilate him, and leave him to bleed to death.
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Fish introduced himself as Frank Howard, a farmer from Farmingdale, New York.
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He promised to hire Bud and his friend and said he would send for them in a few days.
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Fish failed to show up, but he sent a telegram to Bud, the Bud family apologizing and said a later date.
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When Fish returned, he met Edward's younger sister, 10-year-old Grace, or Gracie Bud.
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He apparently shifted his intentions toward Grace and quickly made up a story about having to attend his niece's birthday party.
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Okay, here we go.
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He persuaded the parents, Della Bridget Flanagan, and Albert Francis Budd Sr.
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to let Grace accompany him to the party that evening.
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Back then, not a red flag.
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I don't know.
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I'm not gonna let my kid go to a party with a guy we just met that day.
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I don't care if we're in 1920 or not.
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Yeah, I don't well, that's our mentality right now.
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Back then, I I don't know.
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It's just like trick-or-treating as a kid, you know.
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When I did it as a kid, you can go wherever.
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Then all of a sudden, now you gotta have your candy x-rayed, and you know, there's kids getting kidnapped.
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I think it's the time frame of when when that happened, it was probably like an innocent thing.
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Oh, he's just gonna take her over to the party.
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Yeah, it's probably not far either.
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Now, if you're a grown man and you want to take my little girl somewhere, you're probably gonna get ventilated.
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Ventilated.
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Lead poisoning.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So he let him go, all right, to the party.
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Fish subsequently took Grace to an abandoned house he had previously picked out to use for the murder of his next victim.
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It's a Wisteria Cottage at 359 Mountain Road, located located in the East Irvington neighborhood of Irvington, New York.
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I don't know anything about New York.
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The people in New York could be like, oh, I know where that is, you know, but I don't I don't have a clue.
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There, Fish manually strangled her to death, then decapitated and dismembered her body, and ate most of the remains over the next several days.
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Okay.
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The police arrested 66-year-old Superintendent Charles Edward Pope on September 5th, 1930, as a suspect in Grace's disappearance, accused by Pope's estranged wife.
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Pope spent 108 days in jail between his arrest and trial on December 22nd, 1930, and he was found not guilty.
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Man.
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He almost got it, didn't he?
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If you make it to the jury, it's like, you know, it's 50-50, right?
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Or yeah.
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Wait a minute.
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One out of twelve or whatever.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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You'd never want to go to the jury, you know, but he's not thrown out prior to that.
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Yeah.
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Here's a letter he wrote.
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This is what made him famous.
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Okay.
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This is where I was reading this letter, and this is where I've discovered this guy.
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November 1934, an anonymous letter sent to Grace's parents ultimately ultimately led the police to fish.
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Bud's mother was illiterate and could not read the letter herself, so she had her son read it to her.
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The unauthored letter reads, Dear Miss Bud, my dear Miss Bud.
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In 1894, a friend of mine shipped as a deckhand on a steamer at Tacoma, Captain John Davis.
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They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China.
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On arriving there, he and two others went ashore.
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And got drunk when they returned.
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The boat was gone.
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Alright, let me get down here at the bottom, right?
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I'm skipping some of it here, right?
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On the pretense to take her to her to her party, you said yes, she should go.
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I took her to an empty house in Westchester.
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I'd already picked out.
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When we got there, I told her to remain outside.
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She picked wildflowers.
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I went upstairs, stripped all my clothes off.
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I knew if I did not, I would get her blood on them.
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When we was all ready, I went to the window and called her up, called her up.
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I then hid in the closet until she was in the room.
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When she saw me all naked, she began to cry, and I tied, tried to run down the and tried to run down the stairs.
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I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mama.
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First I stripped her naked, and then how she did kick, bite, and scratch.
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I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms, cook and eat it.
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How sweet and tender her little I'm not gonna say what he says, how sweet and tender she was roasted in the oven.
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That took me nine days to eat her entire body.
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I did not have sexual relations to her.
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I changed that part as I could have as I wished she died pure.
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What do you think of that?
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Yeah, it's a it's a shame he didn't get ventilated earlier.
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Dad must have died by this point because he's not mentioned here.
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But you think he'd he'd have chased him down and ripped his head off.
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You know what I mean?
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So armed guy.
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But police investigated the letter, and although the story concerning Captain Davis and the famine in Hong Kong could not be verified, the part of the letter concerning the murder of Grace was found to be accurate in his description of the kidnapping and subsequent events, though it was impossible to confirm whether Fish had actually eaten parts of Grace's body.
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Well, he admitted to it, right?
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He said, you know, hey, I'm the I'm the one that took her to the party that night, but we went to the farmhouse, right?
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So is that a clue?
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Oh yeah.
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All right.
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Even the FBI would call it one.
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All right.
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He had some other crimes here as well.
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On February 11, 1927, three-year-old Billy Beaton and his 12-year-old brother were playing in the apartment hallway in Brooklyn with four-year-old Billy Gaffney.
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When the 12-year-old left for his apartment, both younger boys disappeared.
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Beaton was found later on the roof of the apartments.
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When asked what happened to Gaffney, Beaton said the boogeyman took him.
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Gaffney's body was never recovered.
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Initially, serial killer Peter.
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Ooh, this is some up your way juice.
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Kudzinowski.
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That do good?
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All right.
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Was suspected in Gaffney's murder.
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Then Joseph Meehan, a motorman.
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I don't know what that is.
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It's old terminology.
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You know what a motorman is?
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I'd say a mechanic.
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Okay.
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On Brooklyn Trolley.
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Oh, he's working on trolley motors.
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I saw a picture of fish in a newspaper and identified him as the old man whom he saw on February 11, 1927.
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The man had been trying to quiet a little boy sitting on him in the trolley.
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The boy is not wearing a jacket, was crying for his mother, and was dragged by the man off the trolley.
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Beaten description of the boogeyman match, fished the police match description, arrested him.
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So, all right, so he got arrested.
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Now he got convicted and got executed.
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He got the he got the ride of the lightning.
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Gotta love that.
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That was old school back in then, right?
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I don't, you know, we get it all the time here where people are sexual deviants, but they usually get caught early, like the guy we talked about earlier.
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Right.
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He got caught, you know, just going there, right?
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You think our techniques, we talked about it with serial killers too.
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You think our techniques are getting them before they become multiple?
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They kill multiple times.
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I think it helps, yeah.
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Yeah, we got better techniques, yeah.
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Technology, DNA, all those things, it helps us arrest them before they get crazy like this guy did, right?
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So unfortunately, you know, they do have victims, you know, it's just not three to twelve like you saw back in the old days.
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So what are your thoughts, Jews?
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Yeah, I you know, whether it's his mental health that that caused all this as far as the maybe vertical fert fertilizer chemicals or maybe genetics or whatever, he was a sick individual.
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Too bad they didn't catch him, you know, before he had any victims.
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Right.
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I'm guessing back in those days you could go around for a while without people rec noticing you, you know.
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So unless you put start putting your hands on people, I guess.
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Yeah, as it's not like, you know, now you get warnings on your phone updates and you know, amber alerts and everything else.
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So yeah.
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Yeah, I can go on the website now and see sexual predators within 10 miles of me.
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You know what I mean?
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So it's probably a lot easier back then.
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Yeah.
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A lot easier.
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Yeah, agree.
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All right, Juice, we're gonna get off here and be back with another of your favorite topics.
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Awesome.
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All right, we'll talk to y'all later.
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We're recording juice.
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Awesome.
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With another episode of the Hidden Threads podcast.
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You just can't get enough of these things.
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So we, you know, we got the war in Iran with Iran going on.
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Is it really a war though?
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I don't think it is.
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I think it's just a uh strategic strikes.
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You know, what's interesting there is the you know, China gets most of their oil from Iran and Venezuela.
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Yes.
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Not anymore.
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Is it shocking that we cut off the heads of both of those places?
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No, not at all.
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And then you got Cuba fishermen.
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They're waving in the wind right now, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Where do they get their oil?
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Venezuela, right?
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Yeah.
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They're they're probably upset.
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They'll probably implode internally, right?
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Yeah, they upset Trump and President Trump and Pete Heggseth.
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They upset them when they killed those fishermen.
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Oh yeah.
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That's right.
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Just dudes out fishing, right?
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Yeah.
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They're kind of like, hey, look, it's Cuba.
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And then they start getting it.
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Was it Americans?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's not good.
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No.
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Not not for anybody.
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Or if the president or whatever he is of Cuba called and said, hey, we're sorry.
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Don't shoot it.
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Don't kill you.
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Please don't kill all of us in one shot.
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But uh I wonder if Cuba has any political prisoners from the United States there.
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I've never looked it up.
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Oh, I'm sure they do.
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No, China does.
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Oh yeah.
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There are some in Iran too, right?
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There's there's everywhere.
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You know, where one of our dudes goes in and does something stupid or whatever and gets picked up.
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Sometimes it's not stupid, but uh.
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I don't know.
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They've had this coming since 1979.
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Was it 69 or 199, yeah?
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Yeah, they were uh so ever since I've been a kid, Iran's been waving the swords, rattling the swords, man.
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Yeah, and they've done it several times over the years, you know.
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The USS Coal and you know, Beirut, the the barracks bombing that killed all the Marines and Yep.
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And then Iraq, those explosively formed projectiles we would find.
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Oh, yeah.
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So you had the ones made in Iraq and they were kind of rudimentary.
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They're made out of paint cans and stuff, which they still work.
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But the ones that would look like they were made from an industrial machining machine shop, those are the ones from Iran.
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Yeah.
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Like you know what I mean.
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They were pressed out and you know, came from a mold.
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Oh, yeah.
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And they're good.
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They looked good.
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And they were more I wouldn't say they're more, they're all deadly, but there's didn't work.
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They're fast fires and things like that.
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Yeah.
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They had real blasting caps instead of some bull crap put together in matches.
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Like you'd see some of that as well in Iraq.
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But you saw a lot of that in Afghanistan too.
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They had real life, no, like they built these in their kitchen.
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Oh yeah.
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You gotta have hobbies.
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You know what I mean?
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Like they use mat they they packed matches together.
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Oh, yeah.
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Made blasting caps out of them, which work.
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They work, man.
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Yeah, they're effective.
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It's still good in it.
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It's an initiator.
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I wouldn't say it's a good one.
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No, but it works.
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Most of the time.
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Yeah.
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Not all the time.
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It'll still kill you.
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So but our topic today, Jews, this guy.
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We ain't talked about a serial killer in a while.
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Oh, okay.
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But Hamilton, Howard Albert Fish.
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Ooh, he's royalty.
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Do you read up on him a little bit?
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Yeah.
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This guy.
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What a sick individual.
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All right.
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You want to read about him a little bit?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Albert Fish, that's what he goes by.
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Was born Hamilton Howard Fish in Washington, D.C.
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on May 19th, 1870, to Randall Fish and Ellen Francis Howell.
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Fish's father was an American of English ancestry.
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Jeez.
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Is it your kin folks?
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Yeah.
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I'm English as well.
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And his mother was Scots-Irish, American.
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His father was 43 years old 43 years older than his mother.
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How about that?
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And age 75 at the time of his birth.
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Mr.
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Fish.
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And the young girls.
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Anyway.
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Fish was his family's youngest child and had three living siblings, Walter, Annie, and Edwin.
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He wished to be known as Albert after a dead sibling.
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Yeah.
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And it escaped the nickname Ham and Eggs that he was given at an orphanage in which he spent much of his childhood.
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So apparently his dad died and his mom couldn't handle him, so they put him in an orphanage for a while.
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Right.
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And when they were kids.
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So Fish's family had a history of mental illness.
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His uncle had mania.
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Is that a thing now?
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More specific now.
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One of his brothers was confined in a state mental hospital.
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A paternal half brother suffered from schizophrenia, and his sister Annie was diagnosed with mental affliction.
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Three other relatives were diagnosed with mental illness, and his mother had oral and or visual hallucinations.
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Oh yeah.
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Man, they got it going on.
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Yeah.
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They all should be in the loony bin.
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I I like his nickname though, Ham and Eggs.
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Ham and Egg?
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I'm gonna start calling you Ham and Eggs.
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Yeah, that that's loser.
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Is that what it means?
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Yeah.
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I think we talked about that.
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Did it?
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Yeah, they they call somebody back home a ham and agre.
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And it's because of the coal mines on Fridays they'd have fights, and whoever lost got a piece of ham and a couple of eggs.
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And whoever won got the purse, the money.
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Okay.
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So if you were a loser, they call you a ham and agreer.
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Okay.
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I don't know why they're calling a poor guy a loser.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Ham and egg.
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It was a weird family.
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How about that?
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Yeah.
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They they all had mental health issues.
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All right.
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So here's his dad.
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So on October 16, 1875, Fish's father, a fertilizer manufacturer and former riverboat captain, suffered a fatal heart attack at the Baltimore and Potomac Railroad Station.
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So let me ask you this.
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You think about this family being around so much fertilizer might have caused some mental problems?
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Well, back then, OSHA wasn't doing their job.
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Some of that fertilizer is metal heavy, and it can cause you to lose your mind a little bit if you got too much metal in your system.
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I don't know.
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Maybe so.
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His mother then put him in the St.
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John's orphanage in Washington, D.C., where he was frequently physically abused.
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However, fish began to enjoy the physical pain brought by the beatings.
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This guy's crazy, man.
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He loved it.
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He started trouble just so he could get the feet down.
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Yeah.
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By 1880, Fish's mother secured a government job and was able to remove him from the orphanage.
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Damage is done already, in my opinion.
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Yeah, he at that point he was already cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
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In 1882, at age of 12, Fish began a relationship with a telegraph boy.
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The youth introduced Fish to such practices as drinking urine and eating thces.
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How's that like, hey man, let's go chill and drink some pee?
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I don't know.
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It's like eating mid-rats on ship.
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That didn't have urine and thesis in it, though.
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I'm not so sure.
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We caught it, you know what, on a shingle, though.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes the mid rats weren't good at all.
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I remember we would go, we'd all play cards or chess all night, and we need to go, and they would get to the point where they're like, Marines, unless you're on duty, you can't have mid rats anymore.
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We're like, oh come on.
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You know.
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If you had watched you could go.
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So Fish began visiting public baths where he could watch other boys undress, spending a great portion of his weekend at these visits.
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Throughout his life, he would write obscene letters to women whose names he acquired from classified advertising and matrimonial agencies.
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So he was spamming people with letters.
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Yeah.
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Alright, let's get a recap here.
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So he was raped and abused as an orphanage.
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He liked it.
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Oh yeah.
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Met a guy that started taught him how to eat feces.
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I don't know what the teaching is.
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You just do it.
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And drinking pee.
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And then he started going to the public bath, like the public pool, I guess, and watching boys undress and stuff in the bathroom.
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This guy's got some issues, man.
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If it's a survival situation, I'll drink my pee.
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After we drain it through some dirt, though.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We're gonna clean it a little bit.
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We're not drinking it straight from the tap.
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I did that where you strain it through the dirt.
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It still tastes like pea and it's and then it's you add dirt flavor to it.
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Oh yeah.
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I mean you won't die.
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No, but you know.
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It gets all the crystallized stuff.
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They told me what it gets out of the dirt gets all the uric acid out of it.
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Yeah, ureic acid.
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It still tastes like crap.
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Oh yeah.
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So here we go, 1890 to 1918.
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He got an early criminal history here, Juice.
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Imagine that.
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By 1890, at age 20, Fish moved to New York City.
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There he engaged in male prostitution and began molesting and raping boys, mostly less than six years old.
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Man, this guy's got some issues.
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So you know, I see the arrests all the time.
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Of I get the little highlight in my little text message and emails where getting you inmates of the Cap County or Marshall County or more.
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Oh, yeah.
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A lot of child sex abuse.
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I don't A lot.
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That's a mental demonic thing, man.
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I don't unfortunately they slap them on the wrist when they should blow their head off.
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But that's a personal opinion.
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Yeah, they should be six foot under in my opinion.
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But um and they're to me, they say, oh, they've been rehabilitated.
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If you're a pedophile, there's no such thing as rehabilitation.
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The only way you rehabilitate is if you're dead.
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Right.
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I got a call the other day from a guy.
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He's out on bond now, he's got it waiting a trial, but he got pinched in one of these deals where he got online, found a prostitute, was gonna meet her at the hotel.
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Right?
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One of those websites or apps or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Uh consenting adults.
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1-800 get a get a get a get a hoe.
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1-800 hooker.
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W get ahoe.com or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, and while he was on the way there, she texts him and said, Hey, I'm only 15.
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If he'd have turned around and went home, but he didn't.
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He went there, and as he walked in the door, you know, they said, Hey, you're under arrest, kind of thing.
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He's trying to get me to say they entrapped him.
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I said, I don't think that's not entrapment.
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That's you committing a crime.
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Yeah.
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So he's mad.
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He was mad at me.
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I got entrapped.
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No, you didn't.
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They didn't force you to go do that at all.
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Entrapment includes they make you do it, right?
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So Yeah.
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I mean, you know, they tell you, oh, you know, I'm over 18, I'm 22, I'm 22, I'm 22.
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You get there on your way, they tell you, no, I'm 15.
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Okay, don't be an idiot.
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Don't continue to go.
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Yeah.
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He showed up at the room and went in.
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If he would have just said, she told me she was 22, when she said 15, I was done.
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I turned around and went home.
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This is obviously the cop text text them.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Get it all on record, so he's done.
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So yeah, he's cooked.
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I did not take his money.
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So anyway.
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Yeah.
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He's a wealthier guy around here, too.
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So that's all right.
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Well, he he probably needs to buy a pillow that's bite proof.
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I wonder what the uh sentence is for that.
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He didn't actually carry out the act, but it doesn't matter.
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Yeah.
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He's gonna get hit as a sexual predator and have to register and everything else.
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He might not get along jail time.
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Unless he he talks them into doing a plea deal for him.
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Some kind of mental health counseling or whatever.
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So I'm not gonna say a name.
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He's people know him around here.
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So all right.
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So this guy later recounted, we're gonna go back to Fish here, right?
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Right, right.
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His sexual deviance is what we're getting into.
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Oh, yeah.
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Fish later recounted an incident in which a male uh lover took him to a wax museum where he was fascinated by a bisection of a human penis and subsequently became obsessed with sexual mutilation.
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Romantic juice.
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Oh yeah.
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Several years later, around 1910, Fish was working in Wilmington, Delaware.
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And that's where Joe Biden's from, your favorite president.
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Oh yeah.
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You're your your bestest buddy.
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That's Bill and Ted's what is it?
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Bill and Ted's excellent adventure carried the dead guy around.
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When he met a 19-year-old man named Thomas Bedon, he took Bedon to where he was staying, and the two began a sadomasochistic relationship.
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That's a big word.
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It is unclear whether this sadomasochism was consensual on Bedon's part, but Fish's later confession implied that Bedden was an intellectually disabled.
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So he's got this disabled kid messing around.
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This guy's gross.
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After ten days, Fish took Bedon to an old farmhouse where he tortured him over two weeks.
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Fish eventually tied Bedon up and cut it off half his penis.
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He said, I shall never forget his scream or the look he gave me, Fish later recalled.
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He originally originally intended to kill Bedon, cut up his body, and take it home, but he feared the hot weather would draw attention.
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Instead, Fish poured peroxide over the wound, wrapped it with vaseline-covered handkerchief, and left ten dollars, pissed Bedon goodbye, and left.
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With that with half of a male part.
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Man.
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He said he took the first training to get back home.
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Never heard what came of him, but he did try to find out.
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This guy's what do you think of this guy so far?
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You know, I've I've uh taken several psychology classes and I just can't understand and I I probably never will, with people with the fascination of mutilating another person and and raping other people.
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I know it's a control thing, I know it's you know, violence, and it they that that's their thing.
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That's what what gets them off, but I just don't understand it.
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I I I will never understand it.
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Right.
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The uh It's a sexual thing, it's like the other serial killers we talk about, you know, they get sexual gratification out of seeing somebody die or be tortured, suffer, whatever.
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Not sure what how that works because I don't have that wire in my brain.
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So all right, here we go.
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So Fish began to have auditory hallucinations.
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Hallucinations.
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He once wrapped himself in a carpet saying that he was following the instructions of John the Apostle.
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So John the Apostle said, Wrap yourself in a carpet?
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Apparently.
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Really?
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Okay.
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It was about this time that Fish began to indulge in self-harm by embedding needles into his groin and abdomen.
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What do you think of that?
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A little weird.
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It is.
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After his arrest, X-rays revealed that Fish had at least 29 needles lodged in his pelvic region.
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He also hit himself repeatedly with nail studded with a nail-studded paddle and inserted wool douse with lighter fluid into his rectum and set it on fire.
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While Fish was never thought to have physically attacked or abused his children, he did encourage them and their friends to paddle his buttocks with the same nail-studded paddle he used to abuse himself.
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Hey kid, come paddle me with this That's crazy.
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Alright.
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Around 1919, Fish stabbed an intellectually disabled boy in Georgetown.
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He often chose people who are either mentally disabled or African America as his victims, later explaining that he assumed these people would not be missed when they were killed.
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So this is early in the city, 1919, 1930s.
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So I guess African Americans, you know, they were we still had race pensions then, right?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Then the mentally handicapped, they were not.
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They said, Oh, he wandered off and died, probably.
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Whatever.
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Yeah, well, you know, families used to hide the the children that had, you know, issues like that.
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We didn't have as much information back then, did we?
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So later claim to have occasionally paid boys to procure other children for him.
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He was like the Jeffrey Epstein at the time.
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Oh, yeah.
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The gay version, right?
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Well, Dahmer, Epstein, Cross.
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Did Dahmer pay people?
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Did he pay people to bring them to him or I can't remember?
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Uh well, I Epstein did, but Dahmer decided to make finger sandwiches out of them and stuff.
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Yeah, he put them in the freezer and stuff.
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Yeah.
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He had like half of legs and stuff in his bathtub.
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He would hang up like this at a butcher shop.
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Yeah.
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But um he offered money to come help him look for rhubarb.
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Uh see, here's a girl.
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I got ahead of myself.
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Fish found an eight-year-old Beatrice Kill playing alone in her parents' farm in Staten Island, New York.
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He offered her money to come and help him look for rhubarb.
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She was about to leave the farm when her mother chased Fish away.
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Fish left, but returned later to the Kills farm where he tried to sleep, but was discovered by Beatrice's father and forced to leave.
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In 1924, the 54-year-old Fish, suffering from psychosis, felt that God was commanding him to torture and sexually mutilate children.
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He needed a bullet early in life.
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Yeah.
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I didn't either.
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No, I I didn't.
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I I know some other ones that are out there, but this guy, but you know, like you said, you look back on it, his dad was a fertilizer manufacturer.
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Right.
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And there's just a preponderance of of similarities that all siblings and mother and they all had mental health issues.
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Yeah.
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So it goes to say, you know, he this kid got some strikes against him, or this guy at the time as a child had some strikes against him.
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And uh once he realized he can get away with some stuff, I think it just intensified for him.
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You think the fertilizer had anything to do with it?
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Yeah, I do.
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Do you?
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I I do.
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I mean, there was something wrong.
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I think mental health issues, some of them I I would consider genetics.
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And I don't think it adds to it the fact of the chemicals back then.
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Because honestly, there was no OSHA back then.
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Right.
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You know?
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When I was a kid, I remember the planes would fly around and and spread DDT.
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Was it called DDT?
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Oh, yeah.
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DT or whatever.
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Mosquitoes and stuff.
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Yeah.
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It just plane.
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I thought it was cool.
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The plane, look, you know.
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Yeah, Agent Orange.
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We didn't have as many bugs back then.
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No.
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But you know, you had three eyes and and you know, four testicles, but that's okay.
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The dude just died.
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Random heart attacks at age 40, you know.
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But uh, so we get into a really bad thing.
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He abducted this girl named Grace Bud, and he says he attempted to test his implements of hell on a 10-year-old, this 10-year-old girl.
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All right, let's get into it.
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This one's kind of this is sad.
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On May 25th, 1928, Fish saw a classified advertisement in a Sunday edition of the New York World.
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That's not around anymore, is it?
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Nope.
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That read, young man 18, wishes position in country.
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Right?
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Edward Bud 406, gave the address.
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On May 28th, Fish, then 58 years old, visited a Bud family in Manhattan under the pretense of hiring Edward.
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He later confessed that he planned to tie Bird up, mutilate him, and leave him to bleed to death.
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Fish introduced himself as Frank Howard, a farmer from Farmingdale, New York.
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He promised to hire Bud and his friend and said he would send for them in a few days.
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Fish failed to show up, but he sent a telegram to Bud, the Bud family apologizing and said a later date.
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When Fish returned, he met Edward's younger sister, 10-year-old Grace, or Gracie Bud.
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He apparently shifted his intentions toward Grace and quickly made up a story about having to attend his niece's birthday party.
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Okay, here we go.
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He persuaded the parents, Della Bridget Flanagan, and Albert Francis Budd Sr.
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to let Grace accompany him to the party that evening.
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Back then, not a red flag.
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I don't know.
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I'm not gonna let my kid go to a party with a guy we just met that day.
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I don't care if we're in 1920 or not.
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Yeah, I don't well, that's our mentality right now.
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Back then, I I don't know.
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It's just like trick-or-treating as a kid, you know.
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When I did it as a kid, you can go wherever.
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Then all of a sudden, now you gotta have your candy x-rayed, and you know, there's kids getting kidnapped.
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I think it's the time frame of when when that happened, it was probably like an innocent thing.
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Oh, he's just gonna take her over to the party.
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Yeah, it's probably not far either.
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Now, if you're a grown man and you want to take my little girl somewhere, you're probably gonna get ventilated.
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Ventilated.
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Lead poisoning.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So he let him go, all right, to the party.
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Fish subsequently took Grace to an abandoned house he had previously picked out to use for the murder of his next victim.
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It's a Wisteria Cottage at 359 Mountain Road, located located in the East Irvington neighborhood of Irvington, New York.
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I don't know anything about New York.
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The people in New York could be like, oh, I know where that is, you know, but I don't I don't have a clue.
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There, Fish manually strangled her to death, then decapitated and dismembered her body, and ate most of the remains over the next several days.
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Okay.
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The police arrested 66-year-old Superintendent Charles Edward Pope on September 5th, 1930, as a suspect in Grace's disappearance, accused by Pope's estranged wife.
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Pope spent 108 days in jail between his arrest and trial on December 22nd, 1930, and he was found not guilty.
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Man.
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He almost got it, didn't he?
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If you make it to the jury, it's like, you know, it's 50-50, right?
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Or yeah.
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Wait a minute.
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One out of twelve or whatever.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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You'd never want to go to the jury, you know, but he's not thrown out prior to that.
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Yeah.
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Here's a letter he wrote.
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This is what made him famous.
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Okay.
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This is where I was reading this letter, and this is where I've discovered this guy.
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November 1934, an anonymous letter sent to Grace's parents ultimately ultimately led the police to fish.
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Bud's mother was illiterate and could not read the letter herself, so she had her son read it to her.
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The unauthored letter reads, Dear Miss Bud, my dear Miss Bud.
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In 1894, a friend of mine shipped as a deckhand on a steamer at Tacoma, Captain John Davis.
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They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China.
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On arriving there, he and two others went ashore.
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And got drunk when they returned.
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The boat was gone.
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Alright, let me get down here at the bottom, right?
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I'm skipping some of it here, right?
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On the pretense to take her to her to her party, you said yes, she should go.
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I took her to an empty house in Westchester.
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I'd already picked out.
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When we got there, I told her to remain outside.
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She picked wildflowers.
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I went upstairs, stripped all my clothes off.
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I knew if I did not, I would get her blood on them.
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When we was all ready, I went to the window and called her up, called her up.
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I then hid in the closet until she was in the room.
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When she saw me all naked, she began to cry, and I tied, tried to run down the and tried to run down the stairs.
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I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mama.
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First I stripped her naked, and then how she did kick, bite, and scratch.
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I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms, cook and eat it.
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How sweet and tender her little I'm not gonna say what he says, how sweet and tender she was roasted in the oven.
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That took me nine days to eat her entire body.
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I did not have sexual relations to her.
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I changed that part as I could have as I wished she died pure.
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What do you think of that?
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Yeah, it's a it's a shame he didn't get ventilated earlier.
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Dad must have died by this point because he's not mentioned here.
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But you think he'd he'd have chased him down and ripped his head off.
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You know what I mean?
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So armed guy.
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But police investigated the letter, and although the story concerning Captain Davis and the famine in Hong Kong could not be verified, the part of the letter concerning the murder of Grace was found to be accurate in his description of the kidnapping and subsequent events, though it was impossible to confirm whether Fish had actually eaten parts of Grace's body.
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Well, he admitted to it, right?
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He said, you know, hey, I'm the I'm the one that took her to the party that night, but we went to the farmhouse, right?
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So is that a clue?
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Oh yeah.
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All right.
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Even the FBI would call it one.
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All right.
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He had some other crimes here as well.
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On February 11, 1927, three-year-old Billy Beaton and his 12-year-old brother were playing in the apartment hallway in Brooklyn with four-year-old Billy Gaffney.
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When the 12-year-old left for his apartment, both younger boys disappeared.
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Beaton was found later on the roof of the apartments.
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When asked what happened to Gaffney, Beaton said the boogeyman took him.
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Gaffney's body was never recovered.
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Initially, serial killer Peter.
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Ooh, this is some up your way juice.
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Kudzinowski.
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That do good?
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All right.
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Was suspected in Gaffney's murder.
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Then Joseph Meehan, a motorman.
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I don't know what that is.
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It's old terminology.
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You know what a motorman is?
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I'd say a mechanic.
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Okay.
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On Brooklyn Trolley.
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Oh, he's working on trolley motors.
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I saw a picture of fish in a newspaper and identified him as the old man whom he saw on February 11, 1927.
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The man had been trying to quiet a little boy sitting on him in the trolley.
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The boy is not wearing a jacket, was crying for his mother, and was dragged by the man off the trolley.
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Beaten description of the boogeyman match, fished the police match description, arrested him.
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So, all right, so he got arrested.
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Now he got convicted and got executed.
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He got the he got the ride of the lightning.
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Gotta love that.
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That was old school back in then, right?
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I don't, you know, we get it all the time here where people are sexual deviants, but they usually get caught early, like the guy we talked about earlier.
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Right.
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He got caught, you know, just going there, right?
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You think our techniques, we talked about it with serial killers too.
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You think our techniques are getting them before they become multiple?
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They kill multiple times.
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I think it helps, yeah.
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Yeah, we got better techniques, yeah.
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Technology, DNA, all those things, it helps us arrest them before they get crazy like this guy did, right?
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So unfortunately, you know, they do have victims, you know, it's just not three to twelve like you saw back in the old days.
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So what are your thoughts, Jews?
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Yeah, I you know, whether it's his mental health that that caused all this as far as the maybe vertical fert fertilizer chemicals or maybe genetics or whatever, he was a sick individual.
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Too bad they didn't catch him, you know, before he had any victims.
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Right.
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I'm guessing back in those days you could go around for a while without people rec noticing you, you know.
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So unless you put start putting your hands on people, I guess.
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Yeah, as it's not like, you know, now you get warnings on your phone updates and you know, amber alerts and everything else.
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So yeah.
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Yeah, I can go on the website now and see sexual predators within 10 miles of me.
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You know what I mean?
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So it's probably a lot easier back then.
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Yeah.
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A lot easier.
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Yeah, agree.
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All right, Juice, we're gonna get off here and be back with another of your favorite topics.
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Awesome.
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All right, we'll talk to y'all later.
