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You're watching brand new faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
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I'm joined tonight by a very special guest. Now this
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isn't the first time we've met her, so I want
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to go over where we started, where we are now,
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how we got there, and where we're going to go
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in the future. Most importantly, always, always, always follow these
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folks at the bare minimum on social media. It costs
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you nothing. You can go over there. Follow on social
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media on Twitter and Instagram, at webcam wifey. Now payday
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rolls around, you have a little bit of cash, you
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know you want to head over to the only fans.
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You could also check that out at webcam wifey, and
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on Chatterby and bangacams at Jenna ray Xo links to everything,
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or in the episode description as always bare minimum follow
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these folks, ladies and gentlemen. My guests tonight, Jenneray, Jenna,
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how are you this evening?
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And I'm wonderful again? How are you good?
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Good? Good? I was looking at the date March eighteenth,
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twenty twenty four, is the first time we recorded a
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two years ago.
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Already, that's crazy.
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It's crazy. You look phenomenal still, you look phenomenal back then.
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I don't.
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I'm stopped drinking.
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There you go, and maybe that's what it is. Well,
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that's what I want to talk about, just any kind
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of changes or what has gone on in the last
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two years. So let me ask first, let's establish where
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you are now, Jenna. What is what do you What
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is the role you consider your job to be? Like
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if you were to put on a resume with all
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that you do between only fans, between camming this and that,
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if you were to call yourself one thing, what would
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it be?
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Actually I have chat GBT to think for this because
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it was very helpful in my whole rebranding. But the
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other day it was like, you know what, you're kind
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of like a luxury campaigion. So I mean, long story short,
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Obviously we've been here before. I was on of off
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and on for like five years, and I was webcamming also,
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but I was like, you know what everyone's doing of
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I'm going to try this. I'm gonna put my all
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into this. And I was really trying to like run
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a lane that I shouldn't have been in. Although I
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love creating content, I suck at marketing and I absolutely
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do not like it. So this time around, I was like, let's,
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you know, put all my mental horsepower into something I
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really excel at, just camming live, live one on one interactions.
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So yeah, I think that'll kind of sum it up
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as like a luxury campaign, and I've sort of free
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vamped my whole brand. Regardless of where I start, I
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always seem to attract a specific type of demographic and
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I kind of wanted to really just bring that vibe
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this time.
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So yeah, I would see that.
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Very cool, very cool. It's just so many people from
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an outside perspective would be like, porn star, cam girl this,
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and that that's only the job. What they don't factor
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in is what you said before, all of the marketing,
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the stupid social media that everything else you have to do, right.
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Yeah, and it's hard, like obviously with of you know,
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it's pretty much solely dependent on outside marketing and social
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media marketing, and it's like whereas camming it's all internalogorithm, Like, yes,
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you can from out on social media, but it's typically
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not your your bulk of your fan base, and so
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that leaves me able to just really focus on in
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the moment and not having all these other outside things
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to worry about. Plus I mean, I just I honestly
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get lazy and I can't post on twenty bajillion Instagram
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accounts every day. So I'm like, hey, if I'm on
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cams at marketing, that's good for me.
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Let's go sure you're actively working, you're marketing, you're doing
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everything all at once. It almost feels like you said
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you attract a certain kind of guy to you What
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kind of guy is that you attract or person I
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should say so?
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And there's kind of two demographics. And it's funny because
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no matter like what role or image I try and portray,
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it always ends up back to this. So I was like,
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let's just roll with what I know kind of slid
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into two age groups. Anyone really under thirty five as
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my viewers. I noticed that they really lean towards wanting
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like the mommy dom figure. They want to be submissive,
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they want to be you know, I'm just good boy. Uh.
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And then the older demographic like forty to sixty is
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your typical like provider, male professional. They want the companionship,
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the connection. I mean, it sounds cliche, but like off
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the top of my head, I know, like a couple
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of my biggest vendors, I don't think they've ever asked
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for anything super explicit, Like they come back and back
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again because I'm like this fantasy for them or escape
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for whatever their real life is. So people are just
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kind of weed themselves onto those two specific demographics.
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For me, how do you Okay, that's that's super interesting.
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So you have broken down your demos and you understand it,
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But it almost feels like those two are not in
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direct contrast, like not verse playing light. You know they
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are different, though they are forced different. So how do
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you like as you're just logging onto your room, are
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you looking at your list and seeing are there any
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names who go this specific way? Or do you start
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standard and see kind of how the room flows with it?
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Yeah? I mean I know obviously my regulars what they like.
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I don't really niche down into anything too crazy like
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in my public chat because obviously if I'm sitting there
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being like, oh, you're such a good boy, that's going
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to turn off my other demographics.
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So I really turn not to role play too hard.
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In public chat obviously if they want something specific thing
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and take me to a private show. But I feel
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like my vibe kind of a tracks flow that kind
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of have this like soft feminine, like soultry vibe, so
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it doesn't it appeals to several demographics without being too niche,
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and then of course they control down and get specifically
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what they want sure in more private setting.
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Oh okay, all right, all right, has it been since
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you went into this full time? Has it been as
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Obviously nothing's as successful as we would all like, you know,
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I want to put out a podcast to make a
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trillion dollars tomorrow, But just in terms of building an
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audience revenue. Two if you not that I am asking
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for numbers, Just is it is this working for you
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versus some of the stuff you've tried in the past.
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Maybe, yeah, definitely, you know, trying to force o F
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because I was like, oh, this is a way easier
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to make way to make money. The burnout was crazy,
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although obviously I just gone back into things a few
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months ago, so it's still rampying. But the level of
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like return on investment and effort is significantly higher with
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camming for me personally, because that's what I excel at.
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But it goes the other way too, Like I know
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kind of super successful of models who are like I
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would never do camming, like they're so completely different. Just
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because you're successful on one doesn't mean you're going to
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be successful on the other. You know, if I was
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still pounding out for the next five years by myself,
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I probably wouldn't get nearly as far as I will
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with putting the consistency in camming. So it's really just
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figuring out what you excel at because they're so different
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as far as like fan base, how to succeed, how
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to grow, and it really takes kind of two different people,
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so you have to figure out what works best for you.
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It seems like the of grind, it goes one of two,
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one of three ways. Maybe you can just grind and
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grind and grind for years and really be dedicated and
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never get discouraged at posting on Twitter and getting four
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likes and you're like, I just showed my entire body
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what is that? And then eventually it comes. But it's
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almost like a comic working like open mics early on,
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like you're just hopeing something, well that's one way, another
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way is going viral. If that's a total crap shoot,
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we have no idea if that's going to happen or not.
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You could have one picture of yours blow up to
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ten million views or yeah, nothing. And the third way
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would be kind of the hybrid of mainstream stuff shooting
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certain mainstream scenes. Your name is up there, you know.
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So when it came to the only fans stuff, did
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you ever get any offers from any like mainstream sites
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or anyone ever reach out to you and go, hey,
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would you shoot for us? And then either you had
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to decline or you had to think about it. Was
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there ever any kind of offer like that?
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Ah, yeah, I've gotten a few in the past. That's
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just from the beginning. Ever, earlier about I wanted to
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take I wanted to do content for me, and for
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me it was like, Okay, I might make X amount
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of dollars on this shoe, but then it's like, it's
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not my content really if there's so many other loopholes,
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and I wanted the content to be more mind and
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I love the creative direction of it. From a marketing standpoint,
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in my head, it also didn't make sense. And I know,
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like the trend nowadays is all like breach bait and
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shock factor, but that's completely not me. So it's just
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something I've never really considered. I've had a lot of
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friends that I have gone that route and have done
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really well, but it's just not desire for me.
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Okay, and that to me and correct me if I'm wrong.
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That sounds like in a positive way, like a total
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control type of thing, like you want to make sure
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everything comes out the way you think it should come
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out at the end, right, you don't want to be
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represented exactly.
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Control is kind of harsh word, but yeah, you have
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less like hold over your content. Obviously we're shooting for
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a studio. That's that's studios content, you know. I just
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like having you own creative direction of my own content
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and kind of keeping it mine.
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I guess sure, And I should clarify. I don't mean
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control like you can't put that. I mean more like
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I'd like this shot, I want to look this way,
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I want to come off this Yeah, that totally makes
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total sense. So let's talk about the camming again for
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anyone listening now, if you don't hear at the beginning
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Jenna ray XO, that's on Chatterbag and Bonga cams. What
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is your is which one of those or any of
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the other ones. What's you've been your most successful like
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growing ground for this new start, Like what's been moving
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the quickness for you.
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It's it's hard to say. I mean I stream on
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multiple sites, and starting out, I had one site. Thought
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I was like, Okay, this is going to be my site,
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and then randomly now it's changed over to a completely
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different side, which is part of the reason I multi stream,
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because you never know. I wouldn't say it's been one
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specific site just uh. And of course it sounds cliche,
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but consistency, I mean was I was like, Okay, if
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I stream every day for two hours a day, it'll
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be good because I'm on every day. But now I've
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gone to like taking a couple of days off, but
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streaming in longer chunks of time, and that's been a
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big game changer. But really, yeah, just putting the hours in,
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I mean, you really have to treat it like a
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full time job and not like you have to work
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forty hours a week. But you know, you know, you
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work for yourself. But if you say you have a schedule,
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you got to stick to the schedule.
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And then the other thing that's really grown is kind
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of becoming a little more unreachable. Back in my super
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early CAMMI days, they used to do all the explicit stuff.
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Just in the public chat. I was like, you know,
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this is going to get ive on me. It's going
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to get traffic. And while I got traffic, it wasn't
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really the right kind of traffic. And I was sort
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of training my room to behave the wrong way. So
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when I revamped everything, I was like, Nope, I'm going
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to be like cause you know Track, you said you're
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a luxury companion, be that like unreachable. You know, people
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are there. It's like a strip clib Just because someone
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throws a bunch of ones on our stage, you don't
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have to go, you know, give them head. So kind
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of thinking more in that mindset of like, hey, these
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people are here from my presence, anything else that's extra sure?
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Sure? Yeah. I always see like when they introduce a
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new girl and they promote them for a while, you'll
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see like eight thousand, ten thousand people in that chat.
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No one's ever tipping. It seems like it just and.
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There are lots of times praying on the fact that
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they're a new model, sure, and that I'll potentially get
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away with more.
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Sure And what is that like they think they could
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talk them into doing something right?
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Yeah, they're like, oh, they're new on this platform. They
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don't know how it works. It was really funny when
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I came back a couple months ago because I had
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my new model tag, but I obviously wasn't nail, so
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I got all the scammers back. You'll get people in
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a room that are like, oh, this is how you
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should run a room, this is how the platform works. Like,
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trust me, if you do this, like this will happen
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things like that, and they just pray on the fact that,
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you know, because some of these girls aren't even brand
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new to the industry, brand new camics, so they're like, okay,
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like and they have no idea what their boundaries are.
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What's you know, right and wrong? So yeah, a lot
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of guys literally will serve the campsites and click on
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the new tag just to go pray on models.
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Yeah, and then they've already kind of set a precedent
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on what your show should be. And if you do
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get a little bit of success, you just go, oh,
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I'm just gonna run with this for it. And I
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think you're right. I think women need to kind of
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get themselves in a mindset of like I am the
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not in a negative way, I am the product here.
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I will I will sell what I am selling for
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the price I am selling it, and I will only
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go as far as I'm willing to go, you know.
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And I don't think new girls quite know that yet,
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and it's good to educate them on that, I think.
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Uh okay, So do you have like a number one
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tipper right now? Or is it people who are like
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kind of competing. I know you mentioned too you had
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two guys before who were like, you know, reaching out
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to you and not necessarily even like asking anything that
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much of you. Do you have like a go to
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right now that you're like if you were like, man,
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I need an extra hundred bucks, Let me hop on
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Bonka cams real quick and see if John is on
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or whoever.
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I mean kind of like I know on my head,
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like if I see this person on, then it's probably
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going to be a good night. But I've also learned
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not to have any expectations. And I would also say
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this as a tip to girls who are camming, do
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not rely on anyone ever. Aroun't care how nice they
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been and how much money they spent. They can drop
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you any second. I mean, they're jumping girl to girl
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a girl, it doesn't matter, like I had a girl
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a couple of months ago freaking out of our Christmas
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because she was relying on this one wakler and she
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was like, Okay, I'll go on tomorrow night and I'll
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make enough, you know, for Christmas shopping. And he didn't
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show up. And it's like, well, honestly, what do you expect,
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Like these men don't know you anything, just like you
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don't owe them anything, and you could have a regular
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for a month or years and they could just off
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the face the earth.
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So yeah, I have.
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People where if I see their online, I'm probably gonna
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do well, but I'm not relying on like oh I've
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had a shitty week, like let me just go online
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and he's gonna, you know, make it out for me.
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You can't have that mentality or rely on anybody because
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they could just I mean, I've had regulars pop back
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up after years, but they could just go mia with
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with no warnings. So you can't.
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You can't have that mentality of like I'm gonna I
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know this guy's gonna take care of me.
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Sure, performers and whoever else on cam need to know,
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like there's no commitment necessarily on your end to provide
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things you don't want to provide. But there's also no
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commitment coming the other way, So either keep someone entertained,
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but never really rely on it because like you said,
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could just go away, right, I.
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Mean, I'm still working, Like I may year at dollars
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the night before. I'm not gonna Oh, I had my
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regular last night, so I could take the rest of
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the week off. Like you can't have them mentalities, you know,
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keep going like you didn't make a penny.
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Sure, that's it's a grind. You got to work to
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get to the point where you don't need it anymore necessarily. Right,
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So when you do private shows, have you gotten any
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requests that you've had to decline where you say like no,
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no out on time. I don't do that.
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I mean, as far as my personal boundaries, I'm pretty open,
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Like there's not a whole lot I haven't gotten asked
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to do. But my obvious boundaries are like things that
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are legitimately illegal or against terms of service of the site.
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I mean, and I get it a blurred line all
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the time because guys are like, we want the mommie
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on kind of thing, or you know, the mommy roleplay whatever,
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And so I'm like, oh yeah, sure, stepmommy, because you
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have to be like very specific about that, which I'm
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happy to do the step mom role. I play that
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very well. But then of course they get the guys
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who get me into the private show and then conveniently
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I forget to add the words step before their uh
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role play. So that kind of stuff have to shut down,
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you know, the obvious, gross and illegal things quite frequently,
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which is odd. But then again, I've noticed cam sites
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don't really care about what the users are doing. They
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only care about what the models are doing. I've reported
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so many people for ancest eaciality and they don't give fuck.
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But you know, I mentioned my of one time on
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cams and I'm suspendous. So it's a it's a fine line.
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That's crazy that they do that in terms of you
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mentioning that, but in a sense it's almost a little
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it's a little good because wasn't there a thing going
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on with only fans a few years ago where people
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would be like, like a girl would receive a message
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someone asking like do us score, and then she would
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get in trouble for that. I think that, I mean,
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that shouldn't happen either now. Obviously you shouldn't get in
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before mentioning any of your other stuff. But if some
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guys creeping on you, that seems like a great way
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of like gang piling on top of someone if they're
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you know, speaking out or doing whatever. Are there any okay,
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so you don't mind doing the stepmommy stuff. Are there
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any trends or anything else that are within the realm
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of normal, not gross, not illegal, anything like that where
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you do find it kind of objectionable, like a I'm
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not digging that, or do you understand like it's all
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fantasy freaking.
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I don't know if I'm a fit in this category.
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But when I got back on TikTok, I was like,
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what the hell is up with this like barely legal trend? Like, okay,
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it's one thing if you're like, hey, I'm twenty years old,
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that's just a fact. But all these like twenty something
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year old influencers and oh if girls that specifically pretend
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to be you know, barely legal eighteen and they know
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exactly what they're doing and it's disgusting although it's obviously
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not legal, And once you're eighteen or an adult, they
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know who they're portraying to in the demographic they're going for.
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And so that's very gross to me, although perfectly legal.
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It's like you're twenty four, but you're pretending to be eighteen.
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Hy you know, I.
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Totally get that. Yeah, well, let me all right, let
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me ask you. I normally end the interview with this one,
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but this is an interesting one because you brought it
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up here. This is just your opinion. I don't want
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it to be like you're, you know, saying no hard lines,
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blah blah blah. But I ask all adult performers this,
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and I'm shocked by some of the numbers that get
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thrown out. What should be the age when women can
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get into the adult entertainment industry? Do you think that
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should be raised at all? Do you think eighteen is good?
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Or where do you sit with that? And then I
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want to go through with you some of the general
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consensus that I hear from a lot of the performers.
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I mean, I think it should be a twenty one.
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I think people are taking it a little bit too
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far and taking advantage of like, Okay, I'm a teen,
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I'm an adult. Well yes, legally, but I mean there's
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all sorts of issues. I mean, I still see eighteen
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as a teen or a kid, even though you're legally
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an adult. Plus you think about all these girls getting
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in right when they're eighteen, and it's like, how much
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of your content was actually taken after you eighteen to
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just kind of have some sort of cushion between legally
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an adult and getting into such honestly dangerous and like
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manipulative industry where you know, as a teenager, I feel
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you don't really have the mental resources to be able
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to navigate it correctly and healthily. So I mean, twenty
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one would you create?
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That's that's generally. I mean, I've interviewed mainstream performers who
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got in at eighteen, and they say, twenty one what
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we kind of But then you have anecdotal examples of
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like sixteen year old girl gets kicked out of her house,
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she's on the street for a couple of years, decides
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she wants to go into this work. I understand that too.
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I don't want to hurt any of those people, you know,
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and maturity isn't just a number, Like I've met eighteen
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year olds who are a thousand times more mature than
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fifty year olds I've met. So we kind of came
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to maybe a little consensus, almost like a training ground.
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What if from eighteen to twenty one, And I'm not
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saying you have to agree with this, just this is
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the consensus on what we kind of came to. From
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eighteen to twenty one. You cannot shoot anything other than
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solo work. It is just OnlyFans or camming. It is
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just solo work. There are no other performers involved. You
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learn the business of social media, you learn what it's
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going to take to go into this, paying taxes on this.
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And then some girls, I bet a lot of them,
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even just going in setting the whole thing up. I
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bet a lot of girls would just eighteen year olds
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would just go I don't I don't feel like doing this,
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Like I don't feel like doing this shit or whatever.
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And then at twenty one, you're kind of an adult
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at that point. Now you can get into shooting stuff
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if you've done it for the last few years. I
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don't think it's a terrible compromise. I think I would
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probably lean a little closer to you and say twenty one,
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But I don't know, what do you think of that compromise.
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I mean, it's a start, but I think even there's
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no real way to enforce it, honestly, But even just
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doing solo work, I mean, it still can be so
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damaging for a mental health, for your body image, for.
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Everything.
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And I obviously say that as someone who does adult work,
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but I mean I started when I was twenty. I
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did stripping before, But I look back at myself at eighteen, like,
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if I would have gone into this at eighteen, like,
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I don't even know what would have happened to me.
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At the very least, you need a very very strong
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support system with who you can be honest with about
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And because going into an eighteen with those support system
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and you're to everyone about it, like, that's just automatically
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setting yourself up for failure because you don't have any direction.
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You can get manipulated very easier if you're vulnerable. So
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I get the concept, but I don't think forcing people
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to just do solo work would make that big of
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a difference, because there's so many other aspects that can
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just get to you that really takes like life experience.
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Like you said it it's a blanket statement. There are
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plenty of eighteen year olds who are like would just
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rock it out and be completely steady and fine, just
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like there's plenty of girls in my age who could
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start in this industry and just crumble. So obviously, yeah,
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age is a number, but also you know, we're looking
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at overall statistics and the way that these young adults.
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Are totally totally makes sense. What's your favorite? Okay, let
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me ask you on your of do you do custom
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videos or are we doing strictly camming?
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I do customs. I have my life right now mainly
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as just answer anything. Like I said, I'm not making
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me being not my focus, but I have so much
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fucking content from over the years and I guess just
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sitting on my computer, so honestly, lots of PPV. But
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I love doing customs. That's probably on all of my
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main revenue, especially because I do have a lot of
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like fetesh Fians and very specific niches that these guys
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want to see.
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I all right, I'm starting to ask this question to
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everyone too, how do you Okay, if you get a
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request for a five minute video or ten minute video
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or something where you're talking a lot, right, and mind you,
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I do this, I talk a lot as is, But
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if you like request a custom video for me, You're like, oh, Matt,
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I want a video tell me how great my hair is.
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I would spend about ten seconds telling you how great
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your hair is, and then I would be out of
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content to talk. I'd be like, it's so red and
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beautiful and looks so soft. Oh, how do you like
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if someone has a specific request, like, you know, talk
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to me about how much you like this? How do
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you stretch that as long as you need to to
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kind of meet the requirements.
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I haven't had a whole lot of very difficult ones lately.
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I will script stuff sometimes and I have to and
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then take the video in chunks if it's super detail,
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like I've gone on requests where it's like an entire
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page long just for the requests, and I'm like, bro,
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I'm charging it just for me to read that first
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of all, because at that port it's like a freaking movie.
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So I do scrap stuff out sometimes, but to fill
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dead space. I mean, those guys aren't getting that compcased.
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So if they're like, hey, talk, you know, tell me
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how my hawk is whatever, I'll like say something and
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then be like oh yeah, like tea, like stretch it
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out teasing. I mean, I know you don't want me
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to talk the entire time anyway, So yeah, really difficult ones.
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I will literally write script out. But other than that,
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I mean, I know my audience and they're not going
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to be bothered if I don't talk for a couple
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of seconds of the finished yet.
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Okay, fair enough, fair enough. I just always think like
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if I bought a custom video, I would want that,
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and I wouldn't know how to deliver that myself personally
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at all. Like I got about three compliments, the.
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Guy will not notice and they will not care.
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Okay, well, no, if you look like you, they won't
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notice and they won't care. If I were to do
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a custom video, they would vomit.
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I don't know. There's something for everyone.
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That that really is true. You know that there you
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will always find someone who likes you if you put
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yourself out like this in a way, And that's what's
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kind of cool about this. It's it's you know, if
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I came in as a girl who didn't look great,
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but I really wanted to get into this. You can
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work on yourself and you do whatever, but at some
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point you have to put yourself out there and go
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who wants who wants me? And the cool thing is
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there will be guys who reach out and go I do.
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I'm interested in that. I like seeing this content. I
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like your look, I like whatever.
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And it's so subjective on looking good. I mean you
529
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think like the most conventionally hottest girls are going.
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To do the best, and that's absolutely not the case.
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You know, whatever your look is, as long as you
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take care of yourself and you present yourself properly. I mean,
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it could be one hundred pounds, you could be two
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hundred pounds, you'd be whatever you look like. It truly
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does not matter. The only thing that matters is, like
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you said, take care of yourself. You know, whatever image
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or portraying you know, present yourself well, take care of
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your skin, take care of your health. It really does
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not matter. Like there were so many, it truly doesn't.
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And especially something like can't you think, well, you know
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she's blonde, petite bo she's going to do the best, like, well, okay,
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but if she can't even hold a conversation, it don't matter.
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I was gonna say, if she's on her phone the
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whole time and like doesn't work, doesn't talk, Yeah, no,
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she's not gonna do great, not as good as the
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girl who's not quote unquote like the movie star, who
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is performing, who's reaching out to people, who's you know
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how Okay, last question for you here, how do you
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keep yourself in the shape you keep yourself in, because
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it's fucking incredible.
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Yeah, I stopped drinking, like I said, well, not completely.
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I'll have a drink every once in a while, but honestly,
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I was drinking like I would have three to five
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drinks a night, every single night. It just became a
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habit more than anything, honestly, because when I stopped, I
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thought it'd be a lot harder than it was, and
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I realized, honestly, over half of it was just like
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having a drink, having something to do at night. So yeah,
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I went from that too. I've drink, you know, my
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Birthday and Christmas over the onse November first, so I
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was a big part of it. Anymore consistent in the gym.
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Uh yeah, I don't do anything crazy. I don't track colleries.
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I you know, make sure I get enough protein and
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make sure I eat healthy eighty percent of the time.
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But uh yeah, alcohol was Alcohol is a big one
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for sure.
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During COVID, I was to the point where I was
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like half a handle at night, just but but you
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know what, then I quit, I stopped. I can still
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have the occasional drink too, Like you said, it just
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was like boredom for me. I was like, well, if
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I'm just oh yeah, that's good. Yeah, if I'm going
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to sit around for five hours watching TV or something,
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there's nothing else I can go out and do, must
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as well just have a drink with it, you.
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Know, right?
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Was that did that? And if it's too personal, cut
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me off. But did that play into your burnout from
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the last time we talked at all, because I know
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at one point you said I got a little burnt
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out and now I'm coming back hard.
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I don't think that was at all. I really think
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it was trying to force my off into a corner
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of the industry that I just it wasn't me, you know,
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trying to make of We're trying all avenues and marketing everything,
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and I was like, what the heck, bro, If I
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would have taken camming seriously in COVID, like I would
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not even be here right now. But that was probably
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the biggest part of the burnout, was like, you know,
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doing so much work for so little return when it
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just and it wasn't that I wasn't good enough, My
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content wasn't good enough.
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That just wasn't my lane, gotcha?
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So whereas now I can work, you know, thirty forty
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yards a week on cams and I'll get burnt out
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because I enjoyed an a excelid it very cool?
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All right? Last question? Where what does the future hold
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for us? Where do we see this going? Is it?
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Are we just growing the cam sites now as big
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as we can? Do you have any other pivots you
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may want to consider going forward? What do you think
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the future holds for us here?
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I mean, camming is my thing, and I think it's
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just growing on that. It would be cool too, and
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I have no idea how that's to pan out. But
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you know, we were talking about like education before, get
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into some sort of educational or coroaching aspects of new
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girls coming into the industry regardless of age. But I
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enjoyed teaching a lot. I teach some in my trading community,
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So I think that'd be very beneficial and helpful to
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get into in theodal industry, especially with women who already
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don't have seemingly enough resources for help in those areas
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because it's so like taboo to talk about too. I mean,
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you know, I hear girls talk all the time about
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going to therapy, and it's like therapy doesn't even help
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because they're not sex worker friendly or don't understand it,
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like it's such a different.
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Thing.
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So that'd be cool. Obviously, that's lay down the road.
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But then yeah, other than not just stave up by
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a nice piece of property, get the fuck away from everyone.
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Yeah, I think it's a hell of a plan. My
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guest tonight, Jenna Ray, you can find her. Okay, we
624
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.880
know the deal. Let's lay it out. Social media is free,
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00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.119
it costs you nothing to follow them, so make sure
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you at least follow these folks so the numbers look good. Okay,
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00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.680
you got to lead to more opportunities going forward, throws
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them in the algorithm. All that stuff on Twitter and
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Instagram at webcam WiFi OnlyFans. Check out some of the
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old stuff she has on there. By the way, you
631
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.680
have dealt with some incredible photographers or still photo editors
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after the fact, because the colors on some of the
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shit you post on Instagram and stuff, a lot of
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those older ones are beautiful.
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Yes, I have obviously when I was living in Vegas,
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lots of very quality photographers. I do have several photoshoots
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coming up, so finally hosting some newer stuff, so there's
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not as well.
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And again I don't know, this is no insult to
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you before. I don't know if you look better before
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or now. I think you look amazing now. Personally, that's
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just me so Twitter and Instagram at webcam Wifey. OnlyFans
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Webcam Wifey go on over to whatever chat client you
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use if she is on that, and I'm putting the
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links to all of them in the episode description. But
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make sure you follow Jenna ray r Ae XO on
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whatever platform you use. And hey, payday rolls around, throw
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some tips away, Just do it. You heard her on
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the show. She's a sweetheart, she runs a great program,
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she looks incredible. What more could you ask for, Ladies
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and gentlemen, my guests Jenner
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You're watching brand new faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
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I'm joined tonight by a very special guest. Now this
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isn't the first time we've met her, so I want
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to go over where we started, where we are now,
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how we got there, and where we're going to go
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in the future. Most importantly, always, always, always follow these
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folks at the bare minimum on social media. It costs
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you nothing. You can go over there. Follow on social
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media on Twitter and Instagram, at webcam wifey. Now payday
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rolls around, you have a little bit of cash, you
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know you want to head over to the only fans.
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You could also check that out at webcam wifey, and
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on Chatterby and bangacams at Jenna ray Xo links to everything,
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or in the episode description as always bare minimum follow
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these folks, ladies and gentlemen. My guests tonight, Jenneray, Jenna,
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how are you this evening?
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And I'm wonderful again? How are you good?
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Good? Good? I was looking at the date March eighteenth,
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twenty twenty four, is the first time we recorded a
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two years ago.
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Already, that's crazy.
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It's crazy. You look phenomenal still, you look phenomenal back then.
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I don't.
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I'm stopped drinking.
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There you go, and maybe that's what it is. Well,
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that's what I want to talk about, just any kind
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of changes or what has gone on in the last
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two years. So let me ask first, let's establish where
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you are now, Jenna. What is what do you What
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is the role you consider your job to be? Like
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if you were to put on a resume with all
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that you do between only fans, between camming this and that,
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if you were to call yourself one thing, what would
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it be?
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Actually I have chat GBT to think for this because
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it was very helpful in my whole rebranding. But the
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other day it was like, you know what, you're kind
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of like a luxury campaigion. So I mean, long story short,
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Obviously we've been here before. I was on of off
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and on for like five years, and I was webcamming also,
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but I was like, you know what everyone's doing of
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I'm going to try this. I'm gonna put my all
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into this. And I was really trying to like run
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a lane that I shouldn't have been in. Although I
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love creating content, I suck at marketing and I absolutely
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do not like it. So this time around, I was like, let's,
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you know, put all my mental horsepower into something I
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really excel at, just camming live, live one on one interactions.
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So yeah, I think that'll kind of sum it up
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as like a luxury campaign, and I've sort of free
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vamped my whole brand. Regardless of where I start, I
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always seem to attract a specific type of demographic and
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I kind of wanted to really just bring that vibe
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this time.
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So yeah, I would see that.
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Very cool, very cool. It's just so many people from
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an outside perspective would be like, porn star, cam girl this,
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and that that's only the job. What they don't factor
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in is what you said before, all of the marketing,
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the stupid social media that everything else you have to do, right.
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Yeah, and it's hard, like obviously with of you know,
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it's pretty much solely dependent on outside marketing and social
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media marketing, and it's like whereas camming it's all internalogorithm, Like, yes,
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you can from out on social media, but it's typically
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not your your bulk of your fan base, and so
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that leaves me able to just really focus on in
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the moment and not having all these other outside things
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to worry about. Plus I mean, I just I honestly
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get lazy and I can't post on twenty bajillion Instagram
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accounts every day. So I'm like, hey, if I'm on
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cams at marketing, that's good for me.
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Let's go sure you're actively working, you're marketing, you're doing
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everything all at once. It almost feels like you said
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you attract a certain kind of guy to you What
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kind of guy is that you attract or person I
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should say so?
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no matter like what role or image I try and portray,
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it always ends up back to this. So I was like,
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let's just roll with what I know kind of slid
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into two age groups. Anyone really under thirty five as
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my viewers. I noticed that they really lean towards wanting
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like the mommy dom figure. They want to be submissive,
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they want to be you know, I'm just good boy. Uh.
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And then the older demographic like forty to sixty is
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your typical like provider, male professional. They want the companionship,
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the connection. I mean, it sounds cliche, but like off
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the top of my head, I know, like a couple
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of my biggest vendors, I don't think they've ever asked
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for anything super explicit, Like they come back and back
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again because I'm like this fantasy for them or escape
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for whatever their real life is. So people are just
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kind of weed themselves onto those two specific demographics.
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For me, how do you Okay, that's that's super interesting.
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So you have broken down your demos and you understand it,
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But it almost feels like those two are not in
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direct contrast, like not verse playing light. You know they
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are different, though they are forced different. So how do
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you like as you're just logging onto your room, are
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you looking at your list and seeing are there any
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names who go this specific way? Or do you start
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standard and see kind of how the room flows with it?
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Yeah? I mean I know obviously my regulars what they like.
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I don't really niche down into anything too crazy like
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in my public chat because obviously if I'm sitting there
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being like, oh, you're such a good boy, that's going
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to turn off my other demographics.
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So I really turn not to role play too hard.
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In public chat obviously if they want something specific thing
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and take me to a private show. But I feel
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like my vibe kind of a tracks flow that kind
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of have this like soft feminine, like soultry vibe, so
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it doesn't it appeals to several demographics without being too niche,
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and then of course they control down and get specifically
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what they want sure in more private setting.
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Oh okay, all right, all right, has it been since
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you went into this full time? Has it been as
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Obviously nothing's as successful as we would all like, you know,
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I want to put out a podcast to make a
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trillion dollars tomorrow, But just in terms of building an
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audience revenue. Two if you not that I am asking
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for numbers, Just is it is this working for you
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versus some of the stuff you've tried in the past.
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Maybe, yeah, definitely, you know, trying to force o F
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because I was like, oh, this is a way easier
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to make way to make money. The burnout was crazy,
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although obviously I just gone back into things a few
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months ago, so it's still rampying. But the level of
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like return on investment and effort is significantly higher with
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camming for me personally, because that's what I excel at.
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But it goes the other way too, Like I know
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kind of super successful of models who are like I
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would never do camming, like they're so completely different. Just
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because you're successful on one doesn't mean you're going to
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be successful on the other. You know, if I was
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still pounding out for the next five years by myself,
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I probably wouldn't get nearly as far as I will
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with putting the consistency in camming. So it's really just
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figuring out what you excel at because they're so different
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as far as like fan base, how to succeed, how
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to grow, and it really takes kind of two different people,
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so you have to figure out what works best for you.
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It seems like the of grind, it goes one of two,
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one of three ways. Maybe you can just grind and
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grind and grind for years and really be dedicated and
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never get discouraged at posting on Twitter and getting four
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likes and you're like, I just showed my entire body
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what is that? And then eventually it comes. But it's
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almost like a comic working like open mics early on,
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like you're just hopeing something, well that's one way, another
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way is going viral. If that's a total crap shoot,
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we have no idea if that's going to happen or not.
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You could have one picture of yours blow up to
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ten million views or yeah, nothing. And the third way
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would be kind of the hybrid of mainstream stuff shooting
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certain mainstream scenes. Your name is up there, you know.
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you ever get any offers from any like mainstream sites
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or anyone ever reach out to you and go, hey,
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would you shoot for us? And then either you had
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to decline or you had to think about it. Was
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there ever any kind of offer like that?
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Ah, yeah, I've gotten a few in the past. That's
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just from the beginning. Ever, earlier about I wanted to
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take I wanted to do content for me, and for
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me it was like, Okay, I might make X amount
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of dollars on this shoe, but then it's like, it's
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not my content really if there's so many other loopholes,
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and I wanted the content to be more mind and
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I love the creative direction of it. From a marketing standpoint,
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in my head, it also didn't make sense. And I know,
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like the trend nowadays is all like breach bait and
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shock factor, but that's completely not me. So it's just
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something I've never really considered. I've had a lot of
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friends that I have gone that route and have done
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really well, but it's just not desire for me.
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Okay, and that to me and correct me if I'm wrong.
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That sounds like in a positive way, like a total
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control type of thing, like you want to make sure
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everything comes out the way you think it should come
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out at the end, right, you don't want to be
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represented exactly.
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Control is kind of harsh word, but yeah, you have
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less like hold over your content. Obviously we're shooting for
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a studio. That's that's studios content, you know. I just
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like having you own creative direction of my own content
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and kind of keeping it mine.
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I guess sure, And I should clarify. I don't mean
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control like you can't put that. I mean more like
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I'd like this shot, I want to look this way,
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I want to come off this Yeah, that totally makes
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total sense. So let's talk about the camming again for
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anyone listening now, if you don't hear at the beginning
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Jenna ray XO, that's on Chatterbag and Bonga cams. What
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is your is which one of those or any of
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the other ones. What's you've been your most successful like
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growing ground for this new start, Like what's been moving
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the quickness for you.
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It's it's hard to say. I mean I stream on
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multiple sites, and starting out, I had one site. Thought
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I was like, Okay, this is going to be my site,
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and then randomly now it's changed over to a completely
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different side, which is part of the reason I multi stream,
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because you never know. I wouldn't say it's been one
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specific site just uh. And of course it sounds cliche,
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but consistency, I mean was I was like, Okay, if
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I stream every day for two hours a day, it'll
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be good because I'm on every day. But now I've
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gone to like taking a couple of days off, but
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streaming in longer chunks of time, and that's been a
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big game changer. But really, yeah, just putting the hours in,
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I mean, you really have to treat it like a
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full time job and not like you have to work
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forty hours a week. But you know, you know, you
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work for yourself. But if you say you have a schedule,
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you got to stick to the schedule.
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And then the other thing that's really grown is kind
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of becoming a little more unreachable. Back in my super
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early CAMMI days, they used to do all the explicit stuff.
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Just in the public chat. I was like, you know,
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this is going to get ive on me. It's going
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to get traffic. And while I got traffic, it wasn't
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really the right kind of traffic. And I was sort
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of training my room to behave the wrong way. So
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when I revamped everything, I was like, Nope, I'm going
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to be like cause you know Track, you said you're
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a luxury companion, be that like unreachable. You know, people
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are there. It's like a strip clib Just because someone
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throws a bunch of ones on our stage, you don't
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have to go, you know, give them head. So kind
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of thinking more in that mindset of like, hey, these
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people are here from my presence, anything else that's extra sure?
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Sure? Yeah. I always see like when they introduce a
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new girl and they promote them for a while, you'll
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see like eight thousand, ten thousand people in that chat.
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No one's ever tipping. It seems like it just and.
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they're a new model, sure, and that I'll potentially get
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away with more.
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talk them into doing something right?
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don't know how it works. It was really funny when
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I came back a couple months ago because I had
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my new model tag, but I obviously wasn't nail, so
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I got all the scammers back. You'll get people in
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a room that are like, oh, this is how you
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should run a room, this is how the platform works. Like,
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trust me, if you do this, like this will happen
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things like that, and they just pray on the fact that,
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you know, because some of these girls aren't even brand
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new to the industry, brand new camics, so they're like, okay,
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like and they have no idea what their boundaries are.
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What's you know, right and wrong? So yeah, a lot
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of guys literally will serve the campsites and click on
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the new tag just to go pray on models.
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on what your show should be. And if you do
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get a little bit of success, you just go, oh,
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I'm just gonna run with this for it. And I
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think you're right. I think women need to kind of
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get themselves in a mindset of like I am the
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not in a negative way, I am the product here.
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I will I will sell what I am selling for
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the price I am selling it, and I will only
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go as far as I'm willing to go, you know.
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tipper right now? Or is it people who are like
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kind of competing. I know you mentioned too you had
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two guys before who were like, you know, reaching out
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to you and not necessarily even like asking anything that
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much of you. Do you have like a go to
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right now that you're like if you were like, man,
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I need an extra hundred bucks, Let me hop on
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Bonka cams real quick and see if John is on
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like if I see this person on, then it's probably
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going to be a good night. But I've also learned
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not to have any expectations. And I would also say
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this as a tip to girls who are camming, do
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not rely on anyone ever. Aroun't care how nice they
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been and how much money they spent. They can drop
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you any second. I mean, they're jumping girl to girl
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a girl, it doesn't matter, like I had a girl
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a couple of months ago freaking out of our Christmas
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because she was relying on this one wakler and she
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was like, Okay, I'll go on tomorrow night and I'll
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make enough, you know, for Christmas shopping. And he didn't
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show up. And it's like, well, honestly, what do you expect,
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Like these men don't know you anything, just like you
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don't owe them anything, and you could have a regular
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for a month or years and they could just off
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the face the earth.
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People where if I see their online, I'm probably gonna
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do well, but I'm not relying on like oh I've
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had a shitty week, like let me just go online
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and he's gonna, you know, make it out for me.
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You can't have that mentality or rely on anybody because
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they could just I mean, I've had regulars pop back
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up after years, but they could just go mia with
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with no warnings. So you can't.
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You can't have that mentality of like I'm gonna I
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know this guy's gonna take care of me.
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Sure, performers and whoever else on cam need to know,
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like there's no commitment necessarily on your end to provide
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things you don't want to provide. But there's also no
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commitment coming the other way, So either keep someone entertained,
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but never really rely on it because like you said,
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could just go away, right, I.
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Mean, I'm still working, Like I may year at dollars
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the night before. I'm not gonna Oh, I had my
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regular last night, so I could take the rest of
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the week off. Like you can't have them mentalities, you know,
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keep going like you didn't make a penny.
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Sure, that's it's a grind. You got to work to
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get to the point where you don't need it anymore necessarily. Right,
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So when you do private shows, have you gotten any
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requests that you've had to decline where you say like no,
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no out on time. I don't do that.
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I mean, as far as my personal boundaries, I'm pretty open,
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Like there's not a whole lot I haven't gotten asked
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to do. But my obvious boundaries are like things that
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are legitimately illegal or against terms of service of the site.
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I mean, and I get it a blurred line all
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the time because guys are like, we want the mommie
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on kind of thing, or you know, the mommy roleplay whatever,
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And so I'm like, oh yeah, sure, stepmommy, because you
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have to be like very specific about that, which I'm
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happy to do the step mom role. I play that
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very well. But then of course they get the guys
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who get me into the private show and then conveniently
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I forget to add the words step before their uh
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role play. So that kind of stuff have to shut down,
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you know, the obvious, gross and illegal things quite frequently,
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which is odd. But then again, I've noticed cam sites
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don't really care about what the users are doing. They
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only care about what the models are doing. I've reported
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so many people for ancest eaciality and they don't give fuck.
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But you know, I mentioned my of one time on
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cams and I'm suspendous. So it's a it's a fine line.
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That's crazy that they do that in terms of you
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mentioning that, but in a sense it's almost a little
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it's a little good because wasn't there a thing going
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on with only fans a few years ago where people
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would be like, like a girl would receive a message
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someone asking like do us score, and then she would
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get in trouble for that. I think that, I mean,
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that shouldn't happen either now. Obviously you shouldn't get in
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before mentioning any of your other stuff. But if some
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guys creeping on you, that seems like a great way
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of like gang piling on top of someone if they're
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you know, speaking out or doing whatever. Are there any okay,
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so you don't mind doing the stepmommy stuff. Are there
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any trends or anything else that are within the realm
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of normal, not gross, not illegal, anything like that where
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you do find it kind of objectionable, like a I'm
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not digging that, or do you understand like it's all
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fantasy freaking.
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I don't know if I'm a fit in this category.
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But when I got back on TikTok, I was like,
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what the hell is up with this like barely legal trend? Like, okay,
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it's one thing if you're like, hey, I'm twenty years old,
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that's just a fact. But all these like twenty something
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year old influencers and oh if girls that specifically pretend
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to be you know, barely legal eighteen and they know
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exactly what they're doing and it's disgusting although it's obviously
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not legal, And once you're eighteen or an adult, they
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know who they're portraying to in the demographic they're going for.
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And so that's very gross to me, although perfectly legal.
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It's like you're twenty four, but you're pretending to be eighteen.
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Hy you know, I.
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Totally get that. Yeah, well, let me all right, let
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me ask you. I normally end the interview with this one,
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but this is an interesting one because you brought it
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up here. This is just your opinion. I don't want
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it to be like you're, you know, saying no hard lines,
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blah blah blah. But I ask all adult performers this,
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and I'm shocked by some of the numbers that get
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thrown out. What should be the age when women can
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get into the adult entertainment industry? Do you think that
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should be raised at all? Do you think eighteen is good?
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Or where do you sit with that? And then I
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want to go through with you some of the general
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consensus that I hear from a lot of the performers.
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I mean, I think it should be a twenty one.
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I think people are taking it a little bit too
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far and taking advantage of like, Okay, I'm a teen,
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I'm an adult. Well yes, legally, but I mean there's
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all sorts of issues. I mean, I still see eighteen
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as a teen or a kid, even though you're legally
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an adult. Plus you think about all these girls getting
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in right when they're eighteen, and it's like, how much
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of your content was actually taken after you eighteen to
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just kind of have some sort of cushion between legally
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an adult and getting into such honestly dangerous and like
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manipulative industry where you know, as a teenager, I feel
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you don't really have the mental resources to be able
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to navigate it correctly and healthily. So I mean, twenty
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one would you create?
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That's that's generally. I mean, I've interviewed mainstream performers who
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got in at eighteen, and they say, twenty one what
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we kind of But then you have anecdotal examples of
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like sixteen year old girl gets kicked out of her house,
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she's on the street for a couple of years, decides
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she wants to go into this work. I understand that too.
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I don't want to hurt any of those people, you know,
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and maturity isn't just a number, Like I've met eighteen
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year olds who are a thousand times more mature than
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fifty year olds I've met. So we kind of came
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to maybe a little consensus, almost like a training ground.
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What if from eighteen to twenty one, And I'm not
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saying you have to agree with this, just this is
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the consensus on what we kind of came to. From
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eighteen to twenty one. You cannot shoot anything other than
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solo work. It is just OnlyFans or camming. It is
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just solo work. There are no other performers involved. You
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learn the business of social media, you learn what it's
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going to take to go into this, paying taxes on this.
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And then some girls, I bet a lot of them,
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even just going in setting the whole thing up. I
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bet a lot of girls would just eighteen year olds
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would just go I don't I don't feel like doing this,
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Like I don't feel like doing this shit or whatever.
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And then at twenty one, you're kind of an adult
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at that point. Now you can get into shooting stuff
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if you've done it for the last few years. I
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don't think it's a terrible compromise. I think I would
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probably lean a little closer to you and say twenty one,
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But I don't know, what do you think of that compromise.
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I mean, it's a start, but I think even there's
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no real way to enforce it, honestly, But even just
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doing solo work, I mean, it still can be so
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damaging for a mental health, for your body image, for.
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Everything.
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And I obviously say that as someone who does adult work,
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but I mean I started when I was twenty. I
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did stripping before, But I look back at myself at eighteen, like,
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if I would have gone into this at eighteen, like,
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I don't even know what would have happened to me.
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At the very least, you need a very very strong
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support system with who you can be honest with about
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And because going into an eighteen with those support system
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and you're to everyone about it, like, that's just automatically
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setting yourself up for failure because you don't have any direction.
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You can get manipulated very easier if you're vulnerable. So
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I get the concept, but I don't think forcing people
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to just do solo work would make that big of
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a difference, because there's so many other aspects that can
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just get to you that really takes like life experience.
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Like you said it it's a blanket statement. There are
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plenty of eighteen year olds who are like would just
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rock it out and be completely steady and fine, just
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like there's plenty of girls in my age who could
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start in this industry and just crumble. So obviously, yeah,
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age is a number, but also you know, we're looking
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at overall statistics and the way that these young adults.
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Are totally totally makes sense. What's your favorite? Okay, let
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me ask you on your of do you do custom
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videos or are we doing strictly camming?
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I do customs. I have my life right now mainly
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as just answer anything. Like I said, I'm not making
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me being not my focus, but I have so much
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fucking content from over the years and I guess just
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sitting on my computer, so honestly, lots of PPV. But
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I love doing customs. That's probably on all of my
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main revenue, especially because I do have a lot of
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like fetesh Fians and very specific niches that these guys
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want to see.
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I all right, I'm starting to ask this question to
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everyone too, how do you Okay, if you get a
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request for a five minute video or ten minute video
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or something where you're talking a lot, right, and mind you,
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I do this, I talk a lot as is, But
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if you like request a custom video for me, You're like, oh, Matt,
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I want a video tell me how great my hair is.
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I would spend about ten seconds telling you how great
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your hair is, and then I would be out of
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content to talk. I'd be like, it's so red and
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beautiful and looks so soft. Oh, how do you like
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if someone has a specific request, like, you know, talk
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to me about how much you like this? How do
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you stretch that as long as you need to to
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kind of meet the requirements.
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I haven't had a whole lot of very difficult ones lately.
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I will script stuff sometimes and I have to and
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then take the video in chunks if it's super detail,
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like I've gone on requests where it's like an entire
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page long just for the requests, and I'm like, bro,
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I'm charging it just for me to read that first
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of all, because at that port it's like a freaking movie.
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So I do scrap stuff out sometimes, but to fill
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dead space. I mean, those guys aren't getting that compcased.
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So if they're like, hey, talk, you know, tell me
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how my hawk is whatever, I'll like say something and
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then be like oh yeah, like tea, like stretch it
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out teasing. I mean, I know you don't want me
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to talk the entire time anyway, So yeah, really difficult ones.
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I will literally write script out. But other than that,
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I mean, I know my audience and they're not going
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to be bothered if I don't talk for a couple
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of seconds of the finished yet.
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Okay, fair enough, fair enough. I just always think like
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if I bought a custom video, I would want that,
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and I wouldn't know how to deliver that myself personally
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at all. Like I got about three compliments, the.
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Guy will not notice and they will not care.
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Okay, well, no, if you look like you, they won't
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notice and they won't care. If I were to do
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a custom video, they would vomit.
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I don't know. There's something for everyone.
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That that really is true. You know that there you
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will always find someone who likes you if you put
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yourself out like this in a way, And that's what's
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kind of cool about this. It's it's you know, if
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I came in as a girl who didn't look great,
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but I really wanted to get into this. You can
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work on yourself and you do whatever, but at some
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point you have to put yourself out there and go
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who wants who wants me? And the cool thing is
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there will be guys who reach out and go I do.
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I'm interested in that. I like seeing this content. I
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like your look, I like whatever.
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And it's so subjective on looking good. I mean you
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think like the most conventionally hottest girls are going.
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To do the best, and that's absolutely not the case.
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You know, whatever your look is, as long as you
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take care of yourself and you present yourself properly. I mean,
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it could be one hundred pounds, you could be two
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hundred pounds, you'd be whatever you look like. It truly
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does not matter. The only thing that matters is, like
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you said, take care of yourself. You know, whatever image
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or portraying you know, present yourself well, take care of
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your skin, take care of your health. It really does
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not matter. Like there were so many, it truly doesn't.
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And especially something like can't you think, well, you know
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she's blonde, petite bo she's going to do the best, like, well, okay,
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but if she can't even hold a conversation, it don't matter.
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I was gonna say, if she's on her phone the
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whole time and like doesn't work, doesn't talk, Yeah, no,
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she's not gonna do great, not as good as the
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girl who's not quote unquote like the movie star, who
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is performing, who's reaching out to people, who's you know
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how Okay, last question for you here, how do you
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keep yourself in the shape you keep yourself in, because
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it's fucking incredible.
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Yeah, I stopped drinking, like I said, well, not completely.
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I'll have a drink every once in a while, but honestly,
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I was drinking like I would have three to five
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drinks a night, every single night. It just became a
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habit more than anything, honestly, because when I stopped, I
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thought it'd be a lot harder than it was, and
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I realized, honestly, over half of it was just like
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having a drink, having something to do at night. So yeah,
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I went from that too. I've drink, you know, my
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Birthday and Christmas over the onse November first, so I
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was a big part of it. Anymore consistent in the gym.
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Uh yeah, I don't do anything crazy. I don't track colleries.
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I you know, make sure I get enough protein and
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make sure I eat healthy eighty percent of the time.
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But uh yeah, alcohol was Alcohol is a big one
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for sure.
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During COVID, I was to the point where I was
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like half a handle at night, just but but you
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know what, then I quit, I stopped. I can still
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have the occasional drink too, Like you said, it just
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was like boredom for me. I was like, well, if
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I'm just oh yeah, that's good. Yeah, if I'm going
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to sit around for five hours watching TV or something,
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there's nothing else I can go out and do, must
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as well just have a drink with it, you.
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Know, right?
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Was that did that? And if it's too personal, cut
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me off. But did that play into your burnout from
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the last time we talked at all, because I know
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at one point you said I got a little burnt
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out and now I'm coming back hard.
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I don't think that was at all. I really think
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it was trying to force my off into a corner
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of the industry that I just it wasn't me, you know,
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trying to make of We're trying all avenues and marketing everything,
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and I was like, what the heck, bro, If I
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would have taken camming seriously in COVID, like I would
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not even be here right now. But that was probably
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the biggest part of the burnout, was like, you know,
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doing so much work for so little return when it
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just and it wasn't that I wasn't good enough, My
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content wasn't good enough.
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That just wasn't my lane, gotcha?
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So whereas now I can work, you know, thirty forty
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yards a week on cams and I'll get burnt out
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because I enjoyed an a excelid it very cool?
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All right? Last question? Where what does the future hold
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for us? Where do we see this going? Is it?
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Are we just growing the cam sites now as big
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as we can? Do you have any other pivots you
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may want to consider going forward? What do you think
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the future holds for us here?
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I mean, camming is my thing, and I think it's
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just growing on that. It would be cool too, and
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I have no idea how that's to pan out. But
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you know, we were talking about like education before, get
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into some sort of educational or coroaching aspects of new
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girls coming into the industry regardless of age. But I
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enjoyed teaching a lot. I teach some in my trading community,
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So I think that'd be very beneficial and helpful to
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get into in theodal industry, especially with women who already
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don't have seemingly enough resources for help in those areas
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because it's so like taboo to talk about too. I mean,
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you know, I hear girls talk all the time about
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going to therapy, and it's like therapy doesn't even help
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because they're not sex worker friendly or don't understand it,
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like it's such a different.
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Thing.
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So that'd be cool. Obviously, that's lay down the road.
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But then yeah, other than not just stave up by
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a nice piece of property, get the fuck away from everyone.
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Yeah, I think it's a hell of a plan. My
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guest tonight, Jenna Ray, you can find her. Okay, we
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know the deal. Let's lay it out. Social media is free,
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it costs you nothing to follow them, so make sure
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you at least follow these folks so the numbers look good. Okay,
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you got to lead to more opportunities going forward, throws
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them in the algorithm. All that stuff on Twitter and
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Instagram at webcam WiFi OnlyFans. Check out some of the
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old stuff she has on there. By the way, you
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have dealt with some incredible photographers or still photo editors
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after the fact, because the colors on some of the
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shit you post on Instagram and stuff, a lot of
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those older ones are beautiful.
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Yes, I have obviously when I was living in Vegas,
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lots of very quality photographers. I do have several photoshoots
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coming up, so finally hosting some newer stuff, so there's
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not as well.
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And again I don't know, this is no insult to
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you before. I don't know if you look better before
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or now. I think you look amazing now. Personally, that's
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just me so Twitter and Instagram at webcam Wifey. OnlyFans
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Webcam Wifey go on over to whatever chat client you
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use if she is on that, and I'm putting the
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links to all of them in the episode description. But
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make sure you follow Jenna ray r Ae XO on
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whatever platform you use. And hey, payday rolls around, throw
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some tips away, Just do it. You heard her on
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the show. She's a sweetheart, she runs a great program,
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she looks incredible. What more could you ask for, Ladies
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and gentlemen, my guests Jenner
