Ghostly Echoes : Paranormal Peoria

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Music.
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Welcome to another episode of Fringe Beyond Limits.
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That was really bad.
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It happens to the best of us, or the worst of us. We started the episode and
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was about 15 minutes in, and it was a great conversation.
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Agreed. It was. And I never fucking hit record.
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It wasn't meant to be. It happens. Maybe you have a little house elf in here.
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I am so fucking upset with myself.
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At least we figured out now, rather than going through the whole entire episode not realizing it.
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Yeah, I know. But it started off. Anyway, so how was everyone's week? Let's start over.
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Let's hit reset, huh? How was everyone's week? Bree, how was yours?
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Fine and dandy. Yeah. Mine was okay. Yeah, mine, I'm just all...
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Confuddled, bottled, baffled. You know, like we said before,
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that nobody heard, we have to sound like we have miserable lives outside the podcast.
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That's not true. I mean, it's not. It's just the work part and then little things like this.
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Yeah, right. And it's one of those things, too. It's like something good happens next day.
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It's just back to your normal life and you're like, forget about it.
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So when people ask you, how was your week? You're like, eh.
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Yeah. Nothing notable. It just, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That just sucks.
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So, but we did have some clarification.
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Yes. I did get a text from my friend, Emily. So in our previous episode with
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Robert the Dow, we talked about things that keep us up at night.
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And I asked about Yankee Doodle and about what he called macaroni.
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And this is what she messaged me. The horse.
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Macaroni means fashionable yankee doodle is calling his hat in fashion because
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he put a feather in it and then she also had to mention too that the song is
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a diss track against yankees and she goes lol.
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Yeah do you think that when someone
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puts lol afterwards they really are
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laughing out loud and i don't i never
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type lol i tap type haha you do
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type haha do you actually inside my head
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or i'll type he he if it's a little laugh or haha if it's
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a big laugh can you imagine that every time we typed lol if we were really laughing
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out loud how insane sane the entire world would fucking be or you're walking
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across the office floor and you just hear right right like can you imagine what society would be like.
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It'd be so distracting yeah every time you send a text
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you know oh man
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it's just one of those things that gets overused yeah oh yeah
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like the word awesome like the actual definition of the
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word awesome is something that's awe-inspiring takes
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your breath away rare bowie is awesome for like
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awesome i got an extra couple french fries in
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my my bag of food yeah another one is genius
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it's like like to be you know genius you have to like invent a new number or
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you know or make up a word that fits and now it's like hey man i just brought
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this cup in case we need to do that's genius yeah yeah i know i mean like like
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Like we live in the world of hyperbole.
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Yeah, 100%. And I am 100% guilty of, number one, 100%. Number two, the word awesome.
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I do awesome all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because like there's no other
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word that kind of like fits what I'm feeling in the moment when I do use it,
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you know? So it just becomes so second nature to me.
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Because, I mean, I really do truly mean like that's fucking awesome when I say
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it. I just feel that way all the time.
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Kind of like laughing out loud. Like, I'm always laughing out loud like a fucking
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hyena. No, you're not. No?
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You do at your own jokes. Oh, because they're funny.
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But when someone else says something to you, just a little... You snap your face.
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Yeah. Because you're not funny. You're a resting bitch face.
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Yeah. Well, you know what? Snap me out of it. Say something funny.
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You guys don't say anything funny. You're funny.
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No. We's funny. No. Yeah.
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No. Yeah. You are definitely not awesome. I am. No. 100%.
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All right. So. Jeez. I know. You're such a genius.
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These are the things I know. But you're not a macaroni. You're not a macaroni. I'm very fashionable.
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No, you're not. Me in my tuxedo shirt. Yeah.
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At my day i'm going to replay the whole thing as much
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i'm going to piece together the 20 minutes yeah i'm
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going to piece it all together and just put it on in my gala with a with
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a pony no one else knows what
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the fuck we're talking about right now pinstripes with your
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height knee-high socks with the uh crocs and it
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rocks don't forget the um the socks suspenders oh yeah yeah socks suspenders
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but if you have knee-high socks would your socks suspenders be they'd be get
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the thigh garters they would be you know what i will wear garters if you guys
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promise to take them off with their teeth no hairy legs and garters aren't my thing i'll show you,
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images in my head that i cannot get out of now you guys next week when you show
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up i'm gonna be wearing literally just like speedos sick garter with knee-high
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socks and i'll be like i'll put my,
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legs up on the table and be like you guys take it off that's so gross yeah just
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listen when you use your teeth just try not to pull out any leg hair oh that hurts only.
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I have a friend no get out you have a friend like outside of us yeah oh i have
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lots of friends do you yeah do you well when she was dating are you sure about that.
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Her and her then boyfriend they're married now
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at the time used to play this little game where like she
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would grab his leg hairs and she'd pull and then she'd say how many and he would
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guess like how many how many years she had in her are they are they listeners
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of the podcast maybe i'm not naming names but they know who they are right i'm
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just curious do they listen to the podcast?
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They have. I don't know if they continue to think you stare them away.
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Good, good, because I don't want those kind of people listening to the podcast. That's a lie.
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I know, I do. I want them to be on the podcast. Not yet, but I swear to God,
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if you are in Speedos next week, I am turning right back out the door. Same.
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He's like, challenge accepted. I could see it in your face. Oh,
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God. We'll start doing the podcast virtually instead. Yeah.
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For chili? For chili. Virtually.
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One more time? Virtually. week.
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Is she saying virtually or for chili she's
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saying virtually not virtually i can't
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even say it right now anymore because i heard it heard it so many times i heard
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it virtual it wasn't for chili though why am i saying it wrong virtually she
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was saying for chili no i was not you were saying i can't wait to go i can't
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wait to compound the entire dictionary of rihanna and play it i've already
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gone back and started listening and and i and i have stamped two
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episodes so far you have a breach and airy mm-hmm breaching
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airy breed and that's a hard one to word math it is no that's not breaching
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airy sounds weird yeah because everything you fucking say is weird uh touche yeah all right,
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All right, so everyone's week was eh?
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Eh. It got a little better because I stopped. I took an approach of stopping
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caring. No. Yeah. You should have done that a long time ago. Yeah.
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I'm just like, hmm. So that helped a little bit. Okay, well,
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that's good. Yeah. Yeah, you seem more chipper today. I think it's the champagne.
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It's 10 a.m. That's right. Okay. It's around the clock kind of beverage.
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It's five o'clock somewhere.
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Yeah. Yeah, but we're not there. Doesn't matter. it does nope
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yes nope and it
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helps that i'm a champagne purist are you yeah
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or a mimosa purist i should say you're you're a
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mimosa purist yeah what what does that mean i like my mimosa without oj hold
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the oj hold the oj okay all right 86 the oj on the mimosa 86 the oj yep not
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the simpson but the beverage.
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The Simpsons? Oh, Jay Simpson. Oh. Well, he's dead.
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Do we, I mean, so he's, where do you think he is right now?
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Middle Earth. Middle Earth? I don't know. That's the first thing that popped in my head.
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You're so stupid. Nice. All right, so he's in Middle Earth. Where do you think he is?
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Anywhere where you can find a Ford Bronco. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah.
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He's probably, you know, if I believed in only heaven and hell, he would be in hell.
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Since I don't, I think he's somewhere in the afterworld being lectured as to
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how he could have been a better human being.
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That's fair. Yeah. Makes sense. It's referred to as the place of darkness. Place of darkness.
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Yeah. It's a thing. Is it? Okay. We can maybe talk about it in another episode. That would be great.
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I'm putting together notes on that topic as, as you prattle on.
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Proddle proddle proddle not proddle no prattle prattle prattle okay prattle prattle.
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Fortunately virtually you're not saying it right,
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that's okay well that's gonna probably keep me up at night and i'm curious what
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keeps you up at night yeah you both do both of you you're gonna say that like
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every week i am I'm going to quit the podcast and then this life because of
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you guys living in this world. You would miss us too much.
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I would not. I would be non-existent. Well, fine. Then Bree and I would do a
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seance and bring your happy little ass back.
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Oh, please do. So we can murder him and repeat over and over.
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Please do. I like that. Let's keep doing that.
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That would give me the chance to possess one of you. Probably the only way I'd
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ever get inside of you. Sick. Jesus.
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You guys set me up for that one that was great and you can come close to that
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yeah you might you might come close so one's close to coming,
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it'd be great if like we were always on the verge of coming like you're just
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no you would never get anything done this is true but like you would always
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have that like that like the pre Free O-Face O-Face.
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You wouldn't be able to drive because your eyeballs would be in the back of
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your head kind of thing. Mine go off to the side like a walleye.
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So I'm always checking my blind spot when I'm driving.
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I'm just riding Dangerfield over here. Yeah. I'll keep riffing.
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We can keep going. I don't mind this. This is all off the top of my head.
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All right. So things that keep you up at night. new segment on this award winning podcast.
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You guys got something for today yes sirree bub I'm assuming you want to go
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first again yes sirree bub,
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again not Bob she's saying bub that time that one's on purpose I doubt that but go ahead,
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stretch it out keep going If there's an exception to every rule,
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doesn't the exception to that rule mean there are no exceptions? Say that again.
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So if there's an exception to every rule, does the exception to that rule mean
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there are no rules or exceptions?
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Yes, you did.
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All right. So if there's an exception to every rule, then the exception to that
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rule would mean that there are no exceptions.
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It could be. Is that what you said? Yeah, as a question. Yeah. So I would say yes.
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Agreed. It's still confusing.
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It is. But that's the whole point behind it. There is an accession to everything.
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Yeah. My brain's overworking. Yeah. No.
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No. No. Stop being so rude.
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I'm not. I'm just being honest that your brain is not overworked at all.
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It's overworking right now. So can't you see the steam coming out? Yeah.
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No. No. No, I can't because it's not.
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Yes, it is. No, but it's one of those questions that turns your brain inside
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and out like a scrunchie.
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Yeah, that's like saying, if there is a God,
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right, and he's all-powerful and all-knowing, could he create a rock that is
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too heavy for him to lift?
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I don't know. What if he's not a he?
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It could be a she oh dang she got you there no she didn't what's an it it could
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be an it I'm okay with all of this it could be a she it could be a she it it
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could be a them they it doesn't matter to me a she it is a shit I know that's
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like those are my pronouns,
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shit a she it I identify as the,
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she and it makes me the shit you,
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embody that too I know and expel it yeah that's what I really meant to say I
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know I know it's okay I'm happy that you guys are on the other side I don't
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get like contaminated by the stupidity that is.
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You too? You're an asshole. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Just for the record. Okay. Yeah. All right. So did we answer her question?
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Sure. Yeah. It's yes, but it still makes your head hurt. Yeah.
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It does make head hurt. It does. It does. My brain hurting. Yeah.
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Doesn't take much. It takes a lot.
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Okay. So I guess I'll go next. Next, so for my things that keep you up at night.
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That keeps us up at night? Your things that keep us up? Yeah.
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Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think I keep you guys up at night. I mean,
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you guys dread coming here, right? At least, most part.
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Yeah. I plead the fifth. Okay. So I found quotes that keep me up at night.
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So the first one was, is how strange that I can have all this inside me,
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but to you, it's just words. Huh?
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How strange that I can have all this inside of me, but to you, it's just words.
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I don't get it. I was just going to say that's deep. Thank you.
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Shut up. Do you want to explain that to her?
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Sure. Well, no, it just reminded me. So when we drove up to Pararock last week
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and we were kind of talking about a similar concept of this is that you can
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have all this emotion and feeling inside of you and you try to communicate that
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to someone else to convey all that you're feeling.
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But that other person only hears the words they
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don't actually feel what you feel and that's kind of
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what we were talking about on the drive is like man wouldn't this world be a way different
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place if i could feel your joy or your your
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sorrow or your anger or whatever if we can all truly feel
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more than just empathy like yeah tampon but yeah
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and and also it's just a way of connecting like you
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could feel as though like you really connect with someone
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and to that point if i
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just express what i'm feeling they'll be
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able to feel it as well and maybe they
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don't and to them it's just words that are coming out
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of your mouth no because they're feeling their own feels right
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they're not feeling your feels right but yeah
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right but i do feel that there are people in
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the world that you do connect with to where you can express those feelings and
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on some sort of level they get it not 100% of course but but yeah so yeah that
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just kind of keeps me up I just wonder the people that I hold near and dear do they really feel like.
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What's inside of me or are they just words to them? And how sad is it when it
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is just words to that person?
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You know, it's not always reciprocated. Right.
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So, yeah. So, that's one of them. Another one is you never know how damaged
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a person is until you try to love them. Well, true that.
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So, we all know how damaged I am.
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I judge you harshly because you
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shouldn't but also you
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know when you know i've tried to care and love damaged people you just kind
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of like unravel like an onion one layer after another finding trauma that you
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never knew existed yeah so some heavy shit yeah well i'm full of it,
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and your porcelain uh toilet and and and i'm
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fat so yeah heavy shit i mean it makes sense
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heavy the shit the shit so
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yeah so those are the two things that i kind of wanted to throw it at it throw
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out at you guys things that you know keep me up at night so like the things
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that keep me up at night there's so many but they don't happen all at once yeah
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you know my brain just works in mysterious ways.
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So, so yeah, so that's, that's me, Lynette. Yeah.
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What about you? What do you got this week? Lately this week I've been thinking
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about this movie called Lead the World Behind. Have you guys seen it?
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Nope. All right. And I'm shocked. Yeah, you did a movie.
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I did a movie. Like another one. Yeah. Like is this a recent movie you did?
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Maybe five months ago. Yeah.
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So recent. So it is recent for you. Yeah. Do you, when you do a movie, do you do a weed?
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No. No. Do you do an alcohol? Once in a while. Do you do a cinema? No. Do you do a podcast?
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Occasionally. Okay, good. So I think that's a fun way to talk from now on.
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We all just talk like that.
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So, all right. So you did a movie. Yeah. And what was it called?
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Leave the World Behind. Okay. No, I did not do that movie yet.
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So it's, well, it's a movie about.
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About kind of an apocalyptic event but a
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modern apocalyptic event it was produced by
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like the obamas and julia roberts and and stuff like that have you heard of
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it at least no i've heard of it i've heard of it but i didn't know that the
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obamas produced that's kind of that's what like kind of sparks this whole why
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like why would they be involved in a movie like this and so i watched the movie a first time.
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Vibe of the movie the whole soundtrack the whole
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like the words that they chose in certain scenes
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were just odd so i went back and i like to take notes and i like to make spreadsheets
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so i started really in case you didn't know so i started taking notes on this
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nerd film and i only got about 30 minutes into the second watching of this film
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and i'm already like five,
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six full-length notebook back front page of my little notepads jibbling down
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notes and like the research that I was doing on it. It's weird.
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And so maybe we do an episode on it because I really want to like talk through this because it's wild.
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Don't give me that fucking look. I just love the look he's giving me right now.
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It's like completely blank.
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It's just, that's okay. I'm listening. It's okay. Yeah. The reason that, okay.
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The reason at least this week that I was kind of thinking on is,
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So the movie, and I'm not going to give anything away, really.
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So in the opening scene of the movie, during the opening credits,
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there is a solar eclipse. Okay.
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No big deal. You watch the rest of the movie. It has nothing to do with the
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rest of the movie from anything that's mentioned any time on there. Okay.
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Within the first 10 minutes, this family's vacationing on Long Island in New
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York, and they see a steamship or a barge or whatever you want to call it. Off the coast.
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And this ship eventually crashes into the shore.
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So I was thinking, I was like, okay, well, we had a solar eclipse.
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We also had barges crashing into bridges because they lost control of their steering.
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And that's just kind of like that spiral that I went down of,
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is this movie trying to tell us something? Yeah.
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Is it? Well, I don't want to give away the rest of the movie,
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but the fact that the Obamas are involved in it and they're also building a
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bunker out in Hawaii makes me wonder. What do they know that we don't know? Okay.
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I am at a loss. Yeah. You lost me at you have six pages of notes.
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I thought you were going to say you lost me that I did a movie. That too.
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That shocked me. but the whole
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losing part was the amount of
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copious notes you've taken 30 minutes in
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yeah there are symbols right left and sideways
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all all throughout that movie and i've never
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seen a movie like that before okay so yeah i have a great idea for a movie actually
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it's a great idea for a series like a limited series run which i am not going
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to give out because it is that good but,
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if we have any people that make movies or series you guys can reach out to me
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we can you know talk about this i have a pretty good imagination okay sure that's
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all i have to say about that,
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so yeah all right all right well that was interesting i you're gonna make me want to
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go watch that movie now so i'm gonna have to do a movie maybe maybe tonight
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i want to see your notes oh no and you're done he's gonna have missy next to
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him taking notes for him no i i don't do notes i i don't do i i went to school
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i don't take notes i don't,
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Yeah, I just copy and paste. Clearly.
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All right, so this week, well, last week we had a fun interview with Sylvia Schultz. Yeah.
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And also, last weekend we went to the inaugural, I can't say that word.
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Inaugural. Inaugural. I can't, that's one of the words I just can't say.
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Brie, you're missing your opportunity to pick on him.
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Yeah, but I know I can't say it before I'm going to say it. I'm trying to figure
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out if I can say it, because if I can't, it's kind of pointless for me to say
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it. Yeah, well, I mean. Inaugural. Yeah, I can't see it.
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She's saying virtually and is saying for chili. That's right. No, it's virtually.
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Virtually. There's no F there. Virtually. I'm not saying an F.
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You were. Virtually. I can't wait to go to the table.
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So we went to the Pararock up in Madison, Wisconsin, which was fun.
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And we got to meet Dave and Karen, who are our very first guests.
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And we got to listen to Bellhead. Yep.
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We got to meet some other folks. I don't remember. I'm so bad with names.
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You guys are better at names. Who did we meet?
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Richard. Richard? What was his last name?
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Richard. I can't. It's a name that I'm unpayable for now, but his name is Richard.
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Okay. Hi, Richard. Hi, Richard. Who else did we meet?
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We're so bad. Oh, we got to meet Jussie. Yeah. We're going to have our own future
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episode. Yeah. We got to meet Aaron.
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Aaron. Oh, yeah. Your boy, Aaron. From 28 Days In. Or 28 Days.
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Totally screw that one up he's been in for 28 days i have that i don't feel
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wrong show 28 days i would like to know what show 28 days in is because then
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i was getting like a billion different ones mixed up in my head okay 28 days
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haunted yeah that was cool we got to do a little cemetery,
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And get eaten by bugs. Oh, gosh, yeah. That was horrible. Bugs were brutal.
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So, yeah. So, that was a fun time. And then we drank some alcohols.
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Spotted cow, baby. Yeah, we did. We did. Spotted cow. We did alcohols.
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And then we did a taco truck. Oh, yeah. That taco truck was good.
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Yeah. That El Pastor taco. I still.
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It was probably one of the best El Pastores I had. It rushes blood to my testicles.
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Lovely. It was so good. I wish I remembered the name of the taco truck because
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I'm going to be like, hey, I want to go there. I know, me too.
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We should have gotten the name of it. We also came to the conclusion too that
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a taco truck is like the adult version of a kid in a van. Free candy van, yeah.
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Hey kids, free candy. Or hey adults, taco truck. Yeah.
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You could totally kidnap me. You just drop everything, taco truck,
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go. You could totally kidnap me with a taco truck. Yeah.
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I would be that fat kid in the back just eating, get another taco please.
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100 so but yeah so that
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was fun i just wanted to give a little shout out to ally k promotions and
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ally it was nice meeting her so yeah
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so but then also we our episode last week was with sylvia schultz our interview
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about all her books that she's written and peoria state hospital and everything
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else that was a great interview i just want to thank Thank Sylvia again for
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being on our silly little podcast.
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And, you know, I think all of our tens of listeners.
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Oh, we've moved up. We've moved up. We went from one to four to ten. Yes.
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Oh, and then also, I'm not sure if you guys have paid attention to the downloads,
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but we have had a consistent download from Germany.
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And I think it's just one person, which is fine. but it's just kind of awesome
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that one person in Germany is listening to us.
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If you are that person, if you can please email. You're the only one.
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Yeah, you're the only one. Tell your friends.
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And I would just love to know who you are.
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Give you a good shout out. Yeah. And then also the past couple weeks we've had
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one from Russia as well and would love to know who that person is.
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So, again, email frank at fringebeyondlimits.com. send me an email.
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I would love to know who you are, correspond with you, you know,
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because that's exciting for us.
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That's great. You know, that I get excited when there's a new state that pops
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up. I mean, and, you know, we have two countries that's just wild.
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So, yeah, so thanks for listening. We do appreciate you listening and tell your
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friends, you know, you can't be the only weird one out there, right?
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There's going to be more. There's more of us out there.
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So, anyway, now that we're totally off the rails,
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Yeah, so we're going to follow up that interview with talking about Peoria and just haunted Peoria.
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Yeah, and some personal history accounts that we kind of touched on last episode
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and add a little more color to it.
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Yeah, so it is a region that's rich in history and scarred with strife.
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So I think that's what we found, right? There's a bunch of hot spots of supernatural activity.
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Activity and for those of you who don't know pure is
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in like central illinois ish right
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yeah i would say so i would say central central ish
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illinois central south central like a farming country
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no no south no rockford not rockford but springfield i would say south central
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yeah it's north of bloomington yeah yeah yeah so i would say north of springfield
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yeah so i guess we'll start with With probably the most well-known place,
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the Peoria State Hospital.
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It's arguably the most well-known location there.
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So the Peoria State Hospital is situated in Bartonville, Illinois,
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originally known as the Illinois Asylum for the Incurable Insane,
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which I think I've spent some time at.
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Makes sense. Personally, right? But it wasn't just for the insane.
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It housed people with disabilities and handicaps, too.
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Again, I fit that bill rather nicely. Yeah.
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The main building of the asylum, called the Bowen Building, was completed in
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1902 and opened its doors the same year.
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This facility continued operation for a little over seven decades until it finally
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shuttered its doors in 1973.
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I'm pretty sure that meant to be, is shuttered the right word?
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Yeah. Yeah? Okay. I wrote it. Did you? So that's the right word. Oh.
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Don't argue with her. Yeah. They closed their doors. They shuttered its doors.
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I'm leaving the podcast.
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The first superintendent, Dr. George
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A. Zeller, went before the state legislature to demand a name change.
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He felt strongly that no patient was incurable. In 1907, the name was changed
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from Illinois Asylum for the Incurable Insane to Peoria State Hospital.
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As Peoria was the closest large town.
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Prior to this time, mental health care barely existed. In those days,
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anyone suffering from mental disorder was simply locked away from society in an asylum.
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Many of these hospitals were filthy places of confinement where patients were
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often left in straight jackets, locked in restraint chairs, or even placed in
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crates or cages known as Utica cribs, if they were especially disturbed.
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Many of them spent every day in shackles and chains, and even the so-called
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treatments were barbaric.
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Most mental patients spent their entire lives locked up inside of an asylum.
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Soon, though, men like Dr. Zeller began promoting the fact that the mentally
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ill could be helped, not just locked away and forgotten.
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I can't even imagine...
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Experiencing life even if it's for
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a brief moment like that
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but in these cases their
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whole lives yeah it's insane i mean i mean they should have been the ones locked
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up in there like it's right it's wild to think that there was such a dismissive
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attitude towards especially Especially nowadays,
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like mental health is on the news. It's in your face. It's everywhere.
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But back then it was you don't talk about it and you just lock it away and it's subhuman.
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Yeah, we were like so closed off back then that anything different from the
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norm, we just ignored and we didn't want to believe that it was true.
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So we just say those people are crazy.
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Where now people are more open to different.
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And that's only a recent development. I mean, this place closed in the 70s.
435
00:32:49,935 --> 00:32:53,355
But still mental health is a hush-hush
436
00:32:53,355 --> 00:32:56,235
thing it's it's still coming to
437
00:32:56,235 --> 00:32:59,475
light but yeah it's yeah i which you
438
00:32:59,475 --> 00:33:02,295
guys don't always talk about my mental health because i want to
439
00:33:02,295 --> 00:33:05,295
take that stigma away from it
440
00:33:05,295 --> 00:33:10,435
that it's more normal and more people suffer from it and sometimes don't even
441
00:33:10,435 --> 00:33:19,135
know right that they do and what confuses me the most is that that when someone
442
00:33:19,135 --> 00:33:23,575
smokes and they get lung cancer, everyone's like, oh, poor guy.
443
00:33:24,535 --> 00:33:28,535
Yeah, I agree, poor guy. But I mean, he kind of did it to himself, right?
444
00:33:29,315 --> 00:33:35,235
Usually mental health is either done to you for it to happen,
445
00:33:35,455 --> 00:33:38,875
or it's genetic, or what have you.
446
00:33:38,975 --> 00:33:46,275
And the one part of your body that, as science goes, we know the least about
447
00:33:46,275 --> 00:33:48,895
that controls everything,
448
00:33:49,215 --> 00:33:55,315
if that goes a little haywire, it's your fault as the person,
449
00:33:55,375 --> 00:34:00,455
as the individual, you know, and they say, you know, just feel better, just cheer up.
450
00:34:00,695 --> 00:34:08,215
Like people who have never experienced what it's like to have a depression and
451
00:34:08,215 --> 00:34:15,315
anxiety, there's many, many, many, many different will blame the person.
452
00:34:15,595 --> 00:34:20,935
And then, on top of it, nowadays, when people are trying to express who they
453
00:34:20,935 --> 00:34:26,035
really feel they are with the, where am I trying to say?
454
00:34:26,575 --> 00:34:30,495
You know, people who are transgender, then that's when they also,
455
00:34:30,595 --> 00:34:32,055
well, that's just mental health. It's not.
456
00:34:33,117 --> 00:34:40,077
You know, I mean, if you look up the definition, gender is a psychological term
457
00:34:40,077 --> 00:34:46,417
and sex is a biological term and gender is always changing and fluid or it can be.
458
00:34:46,737 --> 00:34:51,697
So it's not a mental health. It's just whoever, you know, and who cares at the same time.
459
00:34:52,297 --> 00:34:57,497
So it's just going to take time. Not that long ago, homosexuality was a mental
460
00:34:57,497 --> 00:35:00,457
health situation or thought of as that way.
461
00:35:00,457 --> 00:35:06,517
Right, which is even more baffling because there's scientific proof that across
462
00:35:06,517 --> 00:35:10,977
every single mammalian species, homosexuality exists.
463
00:35:11,117 --> 00:35:14,957
Yep, in 10 to 15%. Right. So, I mean, it's the same as in humans.
464
00:35:15,057 --> 00:35:17,897
I think it's the same percentage. Like, why would we be any different?
465
00:35:18,437 --> 00:35:24,597
So anyway, off that soapbox. But yeah, so the Bowen building was used mainly
466
00:35:24,597 --> 00:35:28,437
as administrative offices for the asylum after the cottage system,
467
00:35:28,537 --> 00:35:33,757
where 33 different buildings were used to house patients, was put into place.
468
00:35:33,977 --> 00:35:39,237
This was also a dorm for the nursing staff, a store, a powerhouse,
469
00:35:39,417 --> 00:35:42,337
and a domestic building with laundry.
470
00:35:43,217 --> 00:35:47,697
A bakery and kitchen totaling 63 buildings and all on the campus at its height.
471
00:35:48,297 --> 00:35:54,557
At its peak, this hospital served a total of 2,650 people at one given time
472
00:35:54,557 --> 00:35:59,837
and an estimated total of 13,510 patients had lived under its care and supervision.
473
00:36:00,517 --> 00:36:04,457
That's a lot of fucking people. That's a lot of people. After the hospital's
474
00:36:04,457 --> 00:36:09,077
closure in 1973, many buildings were destroyed or sold at auction.
475
00:36:09,417 --> 00:36:12,717
Most of the buildings on the old hospital property have been torn down,
476
00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:16,957
but those that remain are rumored to be haunted by spirits of the past.
477
00:36:17,697 --> 00:36:22,457
Today, 13 of those 63 buildings are left, including the Bowen and the Pollock
478
00:36:22,457 --> 00:36:24,797
Hospital, the Tuberculosis Ward.
479
00:36:25,477 --> 00:36:29,817
There are also four cemeteries on these grounds containing the thousands who
480
00:36:29,817 --> 00:36:31,697
died while in residence at the asylum.
481
00:36:32,748 --> 00:36:35,728
All right, famous residents of the Peoria State Hospital.
482
00:36:36,288 --> 00:36:40,468
One of the most notable and documented residents of Peoria State Hospital was
483
00:36:40,468 --> 00:36:43,748
that of a small town girl known as Rhoda Derry.
484
00:36:44,188 --> 00:36:48,308
The story of Rhoda Derry is one of the greatest tragedies of mental health care
485
00:36:48,308 --> 00:36:51,848
in Illinois and one of the great triumphs of the Peoria State Hospital.
486
00:36:52,128 --> 00:36:57,468
As stated in the opening lines of Sylvia Schultz's book, 44 Years in Darkness,
487
00:36:57,788 --> 00:37:00,328
as we discussed on last week's episode.
488
00:37:01,128 --> 00:37:05,148
Rhoda Derry was a patient who suffered greatly due to the primitive treatments of the time.
489
00:37:05,588 --> 00:37:11,588
Born in Madison County, Indiana on October 10, 1834, the youngest of nine children,
490
00:37:11,708 --> 00:37:16,668
and moved to Lima, Illinois, near Quincy in the western part of the state,
491
00:37:16,788 --> 00:37:18,688
when Rhoda was just a young child.
492
00:37:19,168 --> 00:37:25,028
She was 22 years of age when she was first committed to the Jacksonville Mental Hospital.
493
00:37:25,028 --> 00:37:30,828
In 1856, as a result of a marriage that her lover, Charles Phoenix,
494
00:37:31,148 --> 00:37:36,148
mother Nancy Phoenix, refused to give her blessing and the curse she had placed
495
00:37:36,148 --> 00:37:38,448
on Rhoda to keep her away from her son,
496
00:37:38,688 --> 00:37:43,188
Rhoda fell into a deep depression that caused her to fall into a dark,
497
00:37:43,268 --> 00:37:47,768
despairing psychosis, and may have stayed in the Eighth Ward,
498
00:37:47,908 --> 00:37:50,168
which was reserved for severely disturbed patients.
499
00:37:50,168 --> 00:37:54,308
The 8th Ward was the only ward in which straitjackets were used.
500
00:37:54,608 --> 00:37:59,788
It also contained the screen room, a cell-like bedroom that had locked screens
501
00:37:59,788 --> 00:38:01,108
over the windows and doors.
502
00:38:01,808 --> 00:38:07,568
In accordance to hospital policy, Rhoda was locked in her room every night and every morning.
503
00:38:07,828 --> 00:38:12,508
She was found roaming the grounds of the hospital claiming Nancy Phoenix let her out.
504
00:38:12,748 --> 00:38:18,168
Within two years, Rhoda was discharged as incurable and sent home sometime in
505
00:38:18,168 --> 00:38:23,108
1858. Two years after her release, her mother, Rachel Brightdairy,
506
00:38:23,228 --> 00:38:26,128
passed away in the harvesting months of 1860.
507
00:38:26,468 --> 00:38:31,048
With her primary caregiver now deceased and Rhoda becoming an ever-increasing
508
00:38:31,048 --> 00:38:35,368
burden on the family, they decided to have her recommitted a few months later,
509
00:38:35,448 --> 00:38:39,268
on the 3rd of September, 1860, to a different facility.
510
00:38:39,268 --> 00:38:43,008
Facility rhoda now 25 years old had
511
00:38:43,008 --> 00:38:46,408
been committed for a second time and the
512
00:38:46,408 --> 00:38:49,288
adams county alms house would become rhoda's home
513
00:38:49,288 --> 00:38:56,068
for the next 42 years this story sucks already it only gets worse before it
514
00:38:56,068 --> 00:39:04,448
gets better okay spoiler alert that's not that much of a spoiler but no it's
515
00:39:04,448 --> 00:39:08,028
it's just crazy because during that time you could be committed for anything.
516
00:39:08,188 --> 00:39:12,128
Yes. A man could commit his wife to...
517
00:39:13,375 --> 00:39:16,755
Mental facility at any time without jury.
518
00:39:17,275 --> 00:39:21,955
And it was, the law was written that way because they didn't want to cause a
519
00:39:21,955 --> 00:39:23,415
problem with the children.
520
00:39:23,635 --> 00:39:28,355
Like they didn't want to suffer any wrath of the children so that a husband
521
00:39:28,355 --> 00:39:30,455
could quietly remove their caregiver.
522
00:39:31,375 --> 00:39:36,115
Yeah. You know, in theory, that sounds phenomenal.
523
00:39:38,035 --> 00:39:41,755
Of course you would think that. But in practice. Misogyny at its best.
524
00:39:41,755 --> 00:39:45,655
Right. But in practice, I can see how it would be horrible. Yeah.
525
00:39:46,995 --> 00:39:51,455
No, that's like one of my greatest fears. It's like one of my irrational greatest fears.
526
00:39:51,555 --> 00:39:55,755
I don't know if it's irrational or not, but to be locked up in a mental facility.
527
00:39:56,315 --> 00:39:59,695
Knowing that you're sane? Yeah. But what if you're not? What if you thinking
528
00:39:59,695 --> 00:40:02,735
you're sane is actually what is making you insane?
529
00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:08,535
That question is going to make me insane. It's going to be something that keeps her up at night.
530
00:40:08,535 --> 00:40:17,615
So, one of my irrational fears, and this is true, is that I am actually a special
531
00:40:17,615 --> 00:40:22,475
needs person, and I don't know that I'm special needs, and that's why everyone's nice to me.
532
00:40:22,995 --> 00:40:27,815
Yeah. I mean... Makes sense. I mean, you're right. I mean, it goes along those same lines.
533
00:40:28,055 --> 00:40:30,515
Yeah. That's why... It's not irrational. You're right. Yeah.
534
00:40:30,535 --> 00:40:33,055
I mean... You are special. I am special needs? Oh.
535
00:40:34,115 --> 00:40:36,695
We got that problem solved. All right. All right.
536
00:40:37,582 --> 00:40:40,222
I don't know where to go from here, but I'll just continue with the story now.
537
00:40:40,802 --> 00:40:46,162
Over the years, Rhoda's mental health continued to decline at Adams County Almshouse
538
00:40:46,162 --> 00:40:48,442
as they were not equipped to care for the mentally ill.
539
00:40:48,902 --> 00:40:52,722
Reports of poor conditions surfaced in the newspaper from time to time.
540
00:40:53,242 --> 00:40:56,282
Rhoda was also known to eat anything she could get her hands on,
541
00:40:56,402 --> 00:41:00,962
including buttons and sharp objects she would find. In 1845,
542
00:41:01,382 --> 00:41:07,202
France, a new treatment for the insane was gaining popularity.
543
00:41:07,762 --> 00:41:12,622
Thought of as a more compassionate alternative, the Utica crib was first introduced
544
00:41:12,622 --> 00:41:16,442
at the Lunatic Asylum in Utica, New York, around 1846.
545
00:41:17,182 --> 00:41:22,142
These cribs were used to restrain adult patients. These Utica cribs were long,
546
00:41:22,322 --> 00:41:28,042
narrow, and from 15 to 30 inches high, with slats for the sides.
547
00:41:28,042 --> 00:41:31,362
Beds the top and sometimes the bottom the
548
00:41:31,362 --> 00:41:34,302
person restrained could neither sit up nor get out
549
00:41:34,302 --> 00:41:40,562
basically a baby crib like bed with a lid and a lock on top when the mattress
550
00:41:40,562 --> 00:41:45,082
is placed on the bottom of the lid and the lid was closed the patient would
551
00:41:45,082 --> 00:41:49,062
not even have enough space to turn on their side that would drive me fucking
552
00:41:49,062 --> 00:41:52,242
crazy in itself yeah yeah i don't know if i shared this
553
00:41:52,302 --> 00:41:55,042
story but when i was in when i was in
554
00:41:55,042 --> 00:41:57,762
undergrad we went to the elgin mental
555
00:41:57,762 --> 00:42:01,602
hospital and we visited their
556
00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:04,622
museum and they had this utica crib there it
557
00:42:04,622 --> 00:42:13,062
was disturbing to see in person and they let you touch it so i did and i i got
558
00:42:13,062 --> 00:42:17,922
just the most uncomfortable feeling of anxiety and stress and panic and you
559
00:42:17,922 --> 00:42:21,722
can see on these woods like on the inside and around these,
560
00:42:22,282 --> 00:42:24,182
these slats, there's scratch marks.
561
00:42:24,302 --> 00:42:27,922
There's like worn out wood from where they would kick or they would rub their
562
00:42:27,922 --> 00:42:31,242
head against the top of it if you were a tall individual because it was...
563
00:42:32,172 --> 00:42:35,652
A standard size, whether you, you know, no matter your height,
564
00:42:35,672 --> 00:42:39,332
weight, that shoulder width, you know, maybe a smaller person could roll over
565
00:42:39,332 --> 00:42:42,752
in there, but someone with a thick mattress and broad shoulders,
566
00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:44,132
you're just stuck on your back.
567
00:42:44,192 --> 00:42:48,692
And sometimes they were even strapped down while they were in there on top of
568
00:42:48,692 --> 00:42:50,772
it. It's really bizarre.
569
00:42:51,352 --> 00:42:56,372
But this was the more compassionate alternative to a straight jacket or some of those other,
570
00:42:57,032 --> 00:43:04,332
those leather cuff things yeah stuff yeah so sad so the pole vaulter.
571
00:43:05,932 --> 00:43:13,372
From france okay that lost the gold because of his dong do you think that was
572
00:43:13,372 --> 00:43:17,012
quite the curveball but i see your connection there do you think you would be
573
00:43:17,012 --> 00:43:21,732
able to have an erection laying in that fine well it's a slatted he would just
574
00:43:21,732 --> 00:43:25,192
have to oh it was over his hips poke through the hold through the opening.
575
00:43:27,512 --> 00:43:32,932
Can I use any other euphemisms here? Him and the springboard diver.
576
00:43:33,532 --> 00:43:36,392
Yeah. Yeah. That one I don't know. Yeah.
577
00:43:36,652 --> 00:43:40,112
There's nothing left to the imagination on that one. Yeah. I mean,
578
00:43:40,192 --> 00:43:43,172
God bless them all. Viva la France.
579
00:43:43,952 --> 00:43:48,712
Minus your Utica crib. Minus your Utica crib. That's awesome.
580
00:43:49,452 --> 00:43:53,872
It is worth noting that the Utica crib has been considered the cause of several
581
00:43:53,872 --> 00:43:56,032
patients' deaths over its years of use.
582
00:43:56,492 --> 00:44:01,352
Deaths reported after being locked in a Utica crib include anxiety or panic attack,
583
00:44:01,592 --> 00:44:05,852
or those patients experiencing acute medical conditions such as a heart attack
584
00:44:05,852 --> 00:44:10,432
or stroke and faulty diagnosed with mental episode, which resulted in them being
585
00:44:10,432 --> 00:44:12,392
locked in a crib without proper medical care.
586
00:44:12,712 --> 00:44:17,072
Can you imagine? I cannot. You're having a heart attack and they think you're
587
00:44:17,072 --> 00:44:20,112
having a psychotic break and they lock you in a box. Yeah.
588
00:44:20,752 --> 00:44:25,232
Yeah. Yeah, no, I cannot. One of my greatest fears is having a heart attack,
589
00:44:25,312 --> 00:44:28,432
which I'm probably going to have the next couple of years. So...
590
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:33,550
Will you stop manifesting bad shit in your life? Yeah. No, it's just reality. It's all depressing.
591
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:38,530
It's just reality. So, since Rhoda was clearly becoming a hazard to herself,
592
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:41,630
it was decided to place Rhoda in one of these contraptions.
593
00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:46,170
While in this crib, Rhoda would often soil herself and the doctors and nurses
594
00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:48,510
eventually removed her clothes and mattress altogether.
595
00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:51,830
Together so jesus they
596
00:44:51,830 --> 00:44:54,550
replaced the mattress with straw for her to
597
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:59,570
lay on with a pan under need the bed underneath the bed to collect the waste
598
00:44:59,570 --> 00:45:04,490
mice and other vermin made their nests at her side it was under these conditions
599
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:09,470
that her long fingernails grew and she scratched out her eyes within the first
600
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:13,010
10 years under the supervision of the adams county alm house,
601
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:18,410
With her fists, she beat her face until she lost all her front teeth and eventually
602
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:19,830
lost her ability to speak.
603
00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:23,330
Prior to her rescue by Dr.
604
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:26,530
George Zeller, Rhoda spent decades in the Utica crib.
605
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:31,790
When Dr. Zeller inquired with the attending physician, Jacob B.
606
00:45:31,830 --> 00:45:36,770
Wolfe, as to how long Rhoda had been in this box, Dr. Wolfe admitted he had no idea.
607
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:41,530
Keep in mind that this crib was only intended for overnight use, not weeks or months.
608
00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:47,270
Rhoda had evidently been confined to this crib long enough for her hips,
609
00:45:47,310 --> 00:45:49,470
knees, and legs to atrophy.
610
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:54,290
It's terrible. People, you know... Like, why would you think this is okay?
611
00:45:54,510 --> 00:46:01,790
I am not a... I am not big on the death penalty, but I do believe that there
612
00:46:01,790 --> 00:46:07,930
are people that should not be on this earth, and some of them are these doctors.
613
00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:12,530
Like, this is ridiculous. yeah
614
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:16,290
all right so dr zeller was
615
00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:19,630
appalled at this and wrote a trend and wrote
616
00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:22,530
and had a rhoda transferred along with 60 other patients from
617
00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:25,810
the adams county all house to his facility the
618
00:46:25,810 --> 00:46:29,130
illinois asylum for the incurable insane eventually renamed
619
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:35,770
the pure estate hospital in 1902 but even this transfer was not of traditional
620
00:46:35,770 --> 00:46:41,610
manner due to the years of abuse Rhoda had also lost her ability to walk and
621
00:46:41,610 --> 00:46:46,310
wounds that crawl around on the floor on her gnarled hands and emaciated knees.
622
00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:51,310
So after all the other patients had disembarked from the train,
623
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:55,450
a couple of the attendings picked up a wicker laundry basket.
624
00:46:55,970 --> 00:47:00,210
Thinking it was filled with patients' linens, they discovered Rhoda has curled
625
00:47:00,210 --> 00:47:04,390
up under some sheets at the bottom. That is so sad. Yeah.
626
00:47:05,330 --> 00:47:08,930
I didn't give her a wheelchair or anything. things. That you put in a fucking
627
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:11,810
basket. Yeah. Cause that's how, so, so.
628
00:47:12,863 --> 00:47:14,403
The Adams County Hospital shipped
629
00:47:14,403 --> 00:47:19,443
them off, and the Dr. Zeller's hospital picked them up. Right, right.
630
00:47:19,663 --> 00:47:23,803
So, also part of what was happening there is most of them were under those leather
631
00:47:23,803 --> 00:47:27,023
shackle type of restraints while they were on this train.
632
00:47:27,703 --> 00:47:32,003
And part of those attendings collected all of those shackles,
633
00:47:32,063 --> 00:47:35,663
so when they arrived, they wouldn't see that they were all...
634
00:47:35,663 --> 00:47:37,443
Shackled. Yeah. That's crazy.
635
00:47:37,783 --> 00:47:41,683
So, they just shoved her in a basket. it however rhoda's
636
00:47:41,683 --> 00:47:45,103
arrival from the moment she landed in dr zella's care she
637
00:47:45,103 --> 00:47:48,323
was treated with honor and dignity with clean food bedding
638
00:47:48,323 --> 00:47:51,123
and clothing every time dr zeller came to
639
00:47:51,123 --> 00:47:54,363
visit rhoda with would lighten up she would
640
00:47:54,363 --> 00:47:57,783
turn her head towards his voice and smile there are
641
00:47:57,783 --> 00:48:01,343
only two known photographs taken of rhoda one
642
00:48:01,343 --> 00:48:06,043
as a gorgeous young lady and one of an emaciated skeletal mummy me like figure
643
00:48:06,043 --> 00:48:10,883
with no eyes and teeth sitting childlike on the floor just before her death
644
00:48:10,883 --> 00:48:18,443
rhoda died at the age of 77 and you can visit her grave in cemetery one site number 217.
645
00:48:19,123 --> 00:48:24,463
Not in the pauper field but rather she was given a proper christian burial many
646
00:48:24,463 --> 00:48:28,303
claim her spirit lingered with reports of seeing her apparition and hearing
647
00:48:28,303 --> 00:48:33,683
her cries for help one can't help Papa wonder if the deep depression psychosis
648
00:48:33,683 --> 00:48:37,403
was a result of her broken heart, a witch's curse,
649
00:48:37,583 --> 00:48:42,983
or due to the inhumane treatment she experienced during the formative years of her young adult life.
650
00:48:43,683 --> 00:48:47,263
I'm going to have to say it was the inhumane treatment.
651
00:48:47,963 --> 00:48:51,523
That's definitely going to put you over the edge. I mean, I could understand
652
00:48:51,523 --> 00:48:58,703
being in throes of depression and they can lead to a slight psychosis from a broken heart.
653
00:48:58,703 --> 00:49:08,143
I can definitely see that, but that doesn't last usually long with proper care, which she never got.
654
00:49:08,723 --> 00:49:14,683
Right, right. So, I just wish you could just go back in time and just beat the
655
00:49:14,683 --> 00:49:16,563
shit out of people. Just box people's ears, yeah.
656
00:49:17,163 --> 00:49:22,723
All right, well, another well-known patient after that fucking great story was
657
00:49:22,723 --> 00:49:26,043
that- It ended well. She died happy. Happy.
658
00:49:26,655 --> 00:49:29,735
Okay i'm just saying yeah no i mean a hundred percent
659
00:49:29,735 --> 00:49:32,495
but it's just you keep thinking about stuff leading up to that
660
00:49:32,495 --> 00:49:36,175
yeah her life was wasted yeah yeah who knows
661
00:49:36,175 --> 00:49:39,075
what she could have done right you know who knows she
662
00:49:39,075 --> 00:49:42,155
could have found somebody else and had children who
663
00:49:42,155 --> 00:49:44,955
would have done something great we could
664
00:49:44,955 --> 00:49:47,695
have had a cure from for cancer right we could have
665
00:49:47,695 --> 00:49:50,795
been the one we could have had flying cars by now from her lineage no
666
00:49:50,795 --> 00:49:53,675
one knows yeah you know instead oh she's fucking
667
00:49:53,675 --> 00:49:56,455
nuts let's put her in his crib just a burden and lock her away
668
00:49:56,455 --> 00:49:59,435
jesus i i yeah so all right
669
00:49:59,435 --> 00:50:03,715
so another well-known patient was that of manual a bookbinder
670
00:50:03,715 --> 00:50:07,995
although numerous stories have been told about the hospital and grounds another
671
00:50:07,995 --> 00:50:14,535
well-known patient was a man known as manual bookbinder or a bookbinder who
672
00:50:14,535 --> 00:50:19,415
went by another nickname old book for short old book while living was supposedly
673
00:50:19,415 --> 00:50:21,515
mute, so no one knew his real name.
674
00:50:21,775 --> 00:50:24,655
He worked in a printing house before being brought to the hospital.
675
00:50:25,455 --> 00:50:29,635
Old Book was a patient who worked as a grave digger and assisted in over 1,500,
676
00:50:29,695 --> 00:50:32,155
wow, 1,500 burials at the hospital cemetery.
677
00:50:33,035 --> 00:50:37,295
He was appointed to this position by Dr. Zeller and it's documented in hospital
678
00:50:37,295 --> 00:50:39,775
records that he performed his job well.
679
00:50:40,235 --> 00:50:45,235
He even passionately mourned the passing of each and every person he helped intern in the cemetery.
680
00:50:45,235 --> 00:50:48,735
Old book was among the most popular patients
681
00:50:48,735 --> 00:50:51,555
and the staff loved him when old book died
682
00:50:51,555 --> 00:50:54,715
of tuberculosis in 1910 hundreds of people turned out
683
00:50:54,715 --> 00:50:58,315
for his funeral on the hospital grounds yeah
684
00:50:58,315 --> 00:51:01,455
i couldn't find more details on his life but his
685
00:51:01,455 --> 00:51:05,375
and we'll get to it a little bit later but the haunt
686
00:51:05,375 --> 00:51:09,335
that he seems to do you
687
00:51:09,335 --> 00:51:13,615
do haunting do you do hunting um was
688
00:51:13,615 --> 00:51:17,035
really quite interesting i wish there was a little bit more story on how
689
00:51:17,035 --> 00:51:20,655
he ended up in the facility though well i mean him
690
00:51:20,655 --> 00:51:26,675
being a mute i'm sure it was at its own burden outcasts exactly was purpose
691
00:51:26,675 --> 00:51:31,995
probably it right then and there yeah so again stupid and silly but it sounded
692
00:51:31,995 --> 00:51:38,195
like he enjoyed or had a good time i mean lack of a you know,
693
00:51:38,695 --> 00:51:45,855
better term being you know as far as being as the story but before that with Rhoda I mean you know so,
694
00:51:46,535 --> 00:51:50,675
he just sounds you know like he made the best of the situation he was in so,
695
00:51:51,315 --> 00:51:54,035
which isn't right but you know we can't,
696
00:51:54,688 --> 00:51:58,548
We can only learn from the past. Right. You know. Yeah. We have a problem of doing that.
697
00:51:59,288 --> 00:52:02,348
We do. We don't really like to learn from our mistakes. No.
698
00:52:02,508 --> 00:52:05,748
No. We were taught history all this time, so we learn from those,
699
00:52:05,908 --> 00:52:07,188
but yet we have not learned.
700
00:52:07,328 --> 00:52:10,688
And also something that I don't like doing is I don't like looking at the past
701
00:52:10,688 --> 00:52:14,348
and judging them by our current standards.
702
00:52:15,368 --> 00:52:18,648
Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't like it. I don't think it's fair to do that.
703
00:52:19,048 --> 00:52:24,048
But in terms of just treating someone like a human, that's where I get upset with.
704
00:52:24,688 --> 00:52:27,388
That seems like foundational. Makes sense. Yeah, right, right.
705
00:52:27,568 --> 00:52:34,028
You know, like, you know, we can't be like, oh, you know, I don't know, like the plague, right?
706
00:52:34,088 --> 00:52:38,508
Like, it was, you know, we didn't, they didn't know it was rats that were doing
707
00:52:38,508 --> 00:52:41,228
it, you know, you know, so I get that.
708
00:52:41,268 --> 00:52:45,508
But like, when it comes to, you know, like you said, something that should be
709
00:52:45,508 --> 00:52:50,428
foundational, like treating a human with dignity and respect just because they're another human.
710
00:52:51,328 --> 00:52:55,988
Yeah, that's just, we still have issues with that today. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
711
00:52:56,428 --> 00:53:01,028
All right. So areas with reports of activity.
712
00:53:01,648 --> 00:53:06,408
The old main building hauntings. The old main building, a central structure
713
00:53:06,408 --> 00:53:08,908
of the hospital, is one of the most reportedly haunted spots.
714
00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:14,468
Visitors and ghost hunters have reported hearing disembodied voices,
715
00:53:14,888 --> 00:53:17,228
footsteps, and the sounds of doors slamming.
716
00:53:17,988 --> 00:53:22,268
Apparitions of former patients and staff members are also said to appear in the hallways and rooms.
717
00:53:23,268 --> 00:53:27,188
The Graveyard Shift Ghosts The cemetery in the hospital grounds,
718
00:53:27,348 --> 00:53:30,868
known as the Peoria State Cemetery, is another hotbed of paranormal activity.
719
00:53:31,348 --> 00:53:34,448
Many believe that the spirits of former patients roamed the area.
720
00:53:35,528 --> 00:53:39,128
Ghostly figures, strange lights, and eerie sounds have been reported by visitors
721
00:53:39,128 --> 00:53:43,248
and paranormal investigators alike. So what's an eerie sound?
722
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:49,250
I didn't know you were going to give an example i did not either brie you're
723
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:53,510
welcome for the win i think she farted i think that's what that eerie sound
724
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:56,710
was your farts sound cute thanks,
725
00:53:57,550 --> 00:54:02,490
yeah no they they smell wd-40 on that gate.
726
00:54:06,310 --> 00:54:10,050
Christ well yeah like an eerie sound would be something that's out of place
727
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:16,070
for your location so my only issue with that eerie sound in a graveyard is that
728
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:20,930
you're outside and it's an uncontrolled environment you know so it could be
729
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:24,970
anything when it comes to sounds right you know,
730
00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:30,170
i get it but i would just say an eerie sound you ask what an eerie sound is
731
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:35,110
not if it's a valid eerie sound okay so we're all so what if you're in a cemetery
732
00:54:35,110 --> 00:54:36,670
and you hear a jack-in-the-box music,
733
00:54:37,310 --> 00:54:40,210
like well i hear you sound i would expect out of place
734
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:43,630
there's some sort of children of the corn in the near woods i would have ran
735
00:54:43,630 --> 00:54:49,450
away possibly right but apparently investigators have not stuck around to figure
736
00:54:49,450 --> 00:54:54,350
out well you know what they need to we need to start doing brian's shit scale
737
00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:58,930
here that'd be a shit scale of three and a half all right three and a half it is,
738
00:55:00,030 --> 00:55:05,330
the bowen building specters the bowen building originally used for administrative
739
00:55:05,330 --> 00:55:08,230
purposes has its share of ghostly tales.
740
00:55:08,590 --> 00:55:12,710
People have reported seeing shadow figures, experiencing cold spots,
741
00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:14,410
and hearing inexplicable noises.
742
00:55:14,970 --> 00:55:18,610
Some visitors claim to have seen the ghostly figure of a nurse who supposedly
743
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:20,910
roams the halls checking on patients.
744
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:25,610
Would you think that's an intelligent haunting story?
745
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:30,570
Or residual. She got it. I did it.
746
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:37,390
I don't think she did. It wasn't residual. It wasn't. It wasn't residual. It was. Say it again.
747
00:55:38,310 --> 00:55:41,270
Residual. I can't say. I'm overthinking it.
748
00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:46,850
Residual. That's pretty good. It's close enough. It's close. It's better.
749
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:51,650
Residual. There you go. All right. It still sounds weird in my head.
750
00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:56,610
Maybe just go back to the squeaky part noise. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
751
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:58,870
You just blew out some people's ears.
752
00:56:01,130 --> 00:56:05,090
The haunting of Dr. Zeller's office. Dr.
753
00:56:05,290 --> 00:56:08,270
George Zeller, the compassionate superintendent of the hospital,
754
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:10,450
said to still watch over his former workplace.
755
00:56:11,110 --> 00:56:13,910
Reports of seeing a ghostly figure matching his description,
756
00:56:14,130 --> 00:56:17,990
especially in the areas where his office once stood, have been frequent.
757
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:22,510
People have also claimed to feel a comforting presence when in distress within
758
00:56:22,510 --> 00:56:26,010
the building, which they attribute to Dr. Zeller's spirit.
759
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:30,750
Dr. Zeller himself wrote about hauntings around the hospital in his diary,
760
00:56:30,910 --> 00:56:34,790
and it seems only fitting that both he and the other spirits continue to roam
761
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:37,230
these halls for the decades to follow.
762
00:56:37,590 --> 00:56:41,390
So I thought that was cool. Yeah, I was just about to say that is pretty cool
763
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:48,410
that he actually wrote about hauntings in, I'm assuming, the 10s, 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s.
764
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:57,110
Yeah. You know, so there is a story. So people think ghost hunting is a new thing.
765
00:56:57,310 --> 00:57:06,610
There is a story. And Brie and our significant others went to go see Josh Gates live in Joliet.
766
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:08,390
Was it in October?
767
00:57:09,590 --> 00:57:12,970
Yeah. So he told, he was talking about ghost hunting.
768
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:20,930
And he was telling about a story back in ancient Rome where someone was writing.
769
00:57:21,849 --> 00:57:26,329
And they heard a noise and they saw a ghost and got scared.
770
00:57:27,029 --> 00:57:33,589
They ended up selling their property and the person buying it was like a nobleman.
771
00:57:33,849 --> 00:57:36,149
And he heard the story and he goes, hmm.
772
00:57:36,429 --> 00:57:40,969
And he goes, all right, well, let's figure this out. So he came across this
773
00:57:40,969 --> 00:57:45,509
apparition, you know, so he heard the noise, followed where the noise was, saw an apparition.
774
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:49,069
And then the apparition kind of beckoned him to follow him.
775
00:57:49,269 --> 00:57:55,729
So, yeah. Yeah. So the guy followed this apparition and he stopped over this
776
00:57:55,729 --> 00:57:58,169
garden area and pointed to the ground.
777
00:57:58,429 --> 00:58:04,329
So this nobleman thinking things through goes, all right, maybe something's
778
00:58:04,329 --> 00:58:05,949
in the ground. So he started digging.
779
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:08,629
And as he dug, he found the skeleton.
780
00:58:09,969 --> 00:58:15,529
And right. And they're and they're able to, you know, put two together this ghost.
781
00:58:15,529 --> 00:58:18,209
That was his body and they dug up the
782
00:58:18,209 --> 00:58:21,469
body and gave it a proper burial for the time and no
783
00:58:21,469 --> 00:58:24,269
one ever experienced any other hauntings after that
784
00:58:24,269 --> 00:58:27,149
so for people i mean that is in a
785
00:58:27,149 --> 00:58:31,329
paranormal investigation yeah you know so it was kind of neat thinking wow two
786
00:58:31,329 --> 00:58:36,909
thousand plus years ago yeah they did paranormal investigating yeah you know
787
00:58:36,909 --> 00:58:40,909
everyone wants to know where you go and right your body stops being animated
788
00:58:40,909 --> 00:58:45,009
here yeah yeah so that was good so that kind of just brought Brought back that
789
00:58:45,009 --> 00:58:46,949
memory of that story. That's a cool one.
790
00:58:47,069 --> 00:58:53,349
Yeah. So anyway, we'll keep going here. The ghost of old book slash book binder.
791
00:58:53,849 --> 00:58:57,009
When old book died and his casket was being lowered into the ground,
792
00:58:57,109 --> 00:59:00,629
it was reported by the pallbearers. The casket suddenly became lighter.
793
00:59:01,209 --> 00:59:05,709
The crowd heard the familiar sound of old book weeping against the old elm tree.
794
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:09,429
They turned to find old book leaning against the tree crying.
795
00:59:09,909 --> 00:59:13,529
They claimed to have actually seen him as a full body apparition.
796
00:59:13,529 --> 00:59:16,949
He disappeared and his casket was immediately opened.
797
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:21,209
Old Book's body was inside, undisturbed, rusting peacefully.
798
00:59:22,326 --> 00:59:25,366
Within days of his burial, the old elm tree began to die.
799
00:59:25,866 --> 00:59:31,786
Several crews tried to remove the dead tree but couldn't go through with it
800
00:59:31,786 --> 00:59:34,386
because of the sound of weeping from it whenever they tried.
801
00:59:34,986 --> 00:59:39,926
Eventually, one man took an axe to the tree and was met with an ear-piercing
802
00:59:39,926 --> 00:59:43,106
wail, as if he had just struck someone with an axe.
803
00:59:44,166 --> 00:59:48,286
Disturbed, the man stopped and left the tree alone. Some years later,
804
00:59:48,446 --> 00:59:54,226
lightning struck the old elm tree during a storm, and crews were finally able to remove it.
805
00:59:54,446 --> 00:59:58,766
As the crying had ceased, the spirit is reportedly seen in the cemetery,
806
00:59:58,826 --> 01:00:04,286
often appearing sad or contemplative, still seemingly mourning the deceased.
807
01:00:04,566 --> 01:00:10,046
You can visit bookbinders in the hospital cemetery buried in grave marked 713.
808
01:00:11,066 --> 01:00:16,586
The Forgotten Patients Many former patients who died in the hospital and were
809
01:00:16,586 --> 01:00:19,506
buried in unmarked graves are believed to haunt the area.
810
01:00:20,006 --> 01:00:24,566
Visitors have reported seeing apparitions in outdated hospital attire,
811
01:00:24,626 --> 01:00:28,526
hearing whispers and feeling a strong sense of sadness and unrest,
812
01:00:29,386 --> 01:00:34,846
likely reflecting the spirits of those who passed away without family or proper recognition.
813
01:00:36,006 --> 01:00:40,226
Isn't that sad? Just forgotten people. people yeah but we've talked about that
814
01:00:40,226 --> 01:00:43,266
uh this is one of the things that keep me up at night yeah,
815
01:00:44,026 --> 01:00:48,766
so does that mean everybody eventually comes back as it goes because eventually we're all forgotten,
816
01:00:49,486 --> 01:00:53,466
once enough generations go by i mean possibly i guess maybe your homies are
817
01:00:53,466 --> 01:00:56,866
all back with you hopefully well what if it's like movie beetlejuice you have
818
01:00:56,866 --> 01:01:02,706
to serve this pendant so once everyone you know dies you do come back for a
819
01:01:02,706 --> 01:01:04,746
haunting but who's gonna say your name,
820
01:01:05,306 --> 01:01:13,326
jinx that's like the second jinx of the night yay i quit no you don't yeah i
821
01:01:13,326 --> 01:01:19,906
mean yeah who does say your name say my name say my name three times say my name say my name,
822
01:01:20,806 --> 01:01:27,406
oh that was a good one was it a good one dave matthews please reach out we'll do what,
823
01:01:28,086 --> 01:01:33,026
the asylum tunnels the hospital was known to have a network of tunnels connecting
824
01:01:33,026 --> 01:01:36,626
various buildings These tunnels are often cited in ghost stories,
825
01:01:36,806 --> 01:01:39,546
with reports of footsteps echoing through the empty passages,
826
01:01:39,906 --> 01:01:45,306
ghostly figures darting around corners, and an overwhelming feeling of being watched or followed.
827
01:01:45,746 --> 01:01:50,126
These stories contribute to the chilling reputation of the East Peoria State
828
01:01:50,126 --> 01:01:52,466
Hospital as one of the most haunted places in Illinois.
829
01:01:53,226 --> 01:01:57,086
Paranormal investigators and curious visitors continue to explore the site,
830
01:01:57,246 --> 01:02:01,146
seeking to experience and document the ghostly phenomenon firsthand.
831
01:02:02,126 --> 01:02:06,746
So, go ahead. I was just going to ask. So, knowing that Dr.
832
01:02:06,826 --> 01:02:11,426
Zeller was a compassionate individual, like, how many people do you think try
833
01:02:11,426 --> 01:02:17,466
to do ghost hunts here not knowing the history and just riling up shit thinking this was...
834
01:02:18,374 --> 01:02:23,234
A torture place, essentially. I think a lot. Yeah. I think, you know,
835
01:02:23,234 --> 01:02:28,154
I think the, how do I want to phrase this?
836
01:02:28,914 --> 01:02:32,574
I would think the ones that don't do their homework.
837
01:02:33,454 --> 01:02:37,174
Which I think are a lot. Are a lot. Yeah. I don't think it's the majority,
838
01:02:37,434 --> 01:02:40,394
but I do think it is a lot, tend to do that.
839
01:02:40,394 --> 01:02:47,914
I think the ones that are more professional, for lack of a better term,
840
01:02:48,094 --> 01:02:51,714
who maybe, I don't want to say take it serious,
841
01:02:51,954 --> 01:02:55,774
because ghost hunting doesn't have to be, because I don't take it serious at times.
842
01:02:56,114 --> 01:03:00,774
It doesn't make me any, but we do do our homework and our due diligence to when
843
01:03:00,774 --> 01:03:04,834
we go to a facility to kind of get an idea on what it's going to be like,
844
01:03:04,874 --> 01:03:07,454
so we're as prepared as we can be.
845
01:03:08,134 --> 01:03:13,214
But ghost hunting can be fun. There can be laughing and jokes and silliness.
846
01:03:14,594 --> 01:03:20,054
Yeah, so, yeah, I do wonder that, too. I think the majority are more like us,
847
01:03:20,074 --> 01:03:29,374
where we kind of go and do our research and learn about it before moving forward. So, yeah.
848
01:03:30,434 --> 01:03:34,254
All right, the Peoria Public Library. So, another spot.
849
01:03:34,534 --> 01:03:38,974
Another spot. on. The Peoria Public Library has multiple branches,
850
01:03:39,154 --> 01:03:42,254
but the area of focus here is their main campus.
851
01:03:42,614 --> 01:03:47,014
The building was built in 1894, but before this library was built,
852
01:03:47,054 --> 01:03:52,534
the land was occupied by a woman named Mary Stevenson Gray, wife of Andrew Gray.
853
01:03:53,014 --> 01:03:57,194
The two of them lived in a two-story home in Peoria around 1830.
854
01:03:57,614 --> 01:04:01,914
Some would say a very nice little mansion. Life was seemingly well for this
855
01:04:01,914 --> 01:04:07,154
wealthy couple until Mary's brother died and her nephew came to live with them.
856
01:04:07,634 --> 01:04:11,234
Mary became the caretaker of her nephew after the death of her brother.
857
01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:16,854
But things began to go south for Mrs. Gray. Her nephew was always getting into
858
01:04:16,854 --> 01:04:21,514
trouble with the law, known as a town drunkard and associate with criminals.
859
01:04:21,914 --> 01:04:27,654
He spent a good deal of time in jail and accrued a lot of fines and fees for lawyers.
860
01:04:28,234 --> 01:04:33,274
Some accounts say that she hired a lawyer, David Davis, to make sure he couldn't
861
01:04:33,274 --> 01:04:35,054
get hands on her inheritance.
862
01:04:35,434 --> 01:04:40,514
The story that seems most fitting would suggest that she hired this lawyer to
863
01:04:40,514 --> 01:04:45,074
help continually bail her nephew out of jail and other gossip-worthy situations
864
01:04:45,074 --> 01:04:46,634
that he kept getting himself into.
865
01:04:47,623 --> 01:04:51,683
The costly lawyer, he was very good at his job, but was financially draining,
866
01:04:51,883 --> 01:04:53,603
and he bled Mrs. Gray dry.
867
01:04:54,463 --> 01:04:58,723
Eventually, the Grays were unable to pay the debts for their nephew and had
868
01:04:58,723 --> 01:05:01,663
used their mortgage as a means to pay their lawyer.
869
01:05:02,203 --> 01:05:05,663
This financial hardship ultimately led to a foreclosure.
870
01:05:06,283 --> 01:05:10,463
Mary kicks her nephew out, and when his body is found later floating in the
871
01:05:10,463 --> 01:05:13,743
Illinois River, she curses the land with thorns and thistles.
872
01:05:13,743 --> 01:05:20,263
Ill luck, sickness, and death to every owner and occupant.
873
01:05:20,663 --> 01:05:23,823
The land gained a quick reputation of being haunted.
874
01:05:24,263 --> 01:05:29,103
Stories began that Mary's nephew could be heard crying and begging at the front door.
875
01:05:29,723 --> 01:05:33,783
Caretakers for the property refused to work there because the public opinion
876
01:05:33,783 --> 01:05:39,003
was so against David Davis, he never actually lived there and the home abandoned. Dependent.
877
01:05:39,903 --> 01:05:43,703
Depending on the accounts you read, she seems like she could have been just
878
01:05:43,703 --> 01:05:46,203
a victim of scoundrels or a pretty nasty woman.
879
01:05:46,703 --> 01:05:51,283
Did she have anything to do with the death of her nephew or was it related to
880
01:05:51,283 --> 01:05:52,803
her nephew's questionable behavior?
881
01:05:53,843 --> 01:05:59,983
Yeah. That is crazy. Do you think that she had anything to do with her nephew's death?
882
01:06:00,483 --> 01:06:05,023
I don't know. The timing seems interesting, to say the least.
883
01:06:05,043 --> 01:06:07,763
It does. I mean, I could see it either way.
884
01:06:09,223 --> 01:06:12,203
But i mean that's pretty harsh you know for
885
01:06:12,203 --> 01:06:15,063
anyone but if someone was always getting into trouble
886
01:06:15,063 --> 01:06:20,903
she was wealthy or well connected it doesn't seem like i mean it's a stretch
887
01:06:20,903 --> 01:06:24,243
i don't know the situation but it doesn't seem like it could be too out of the
888
01:06:24,243 --> 01:06:31,323
question to make an accident happen sure sure i agree i just think that all
889
01:06:31,323 --> 01:06:34,143
the shit he got himself into especially Especially back then.
890
01:06:34,203 --> 01:06:39,523
I mean, people, I don't think, would think twice to kill someone back then.
891
01:06:39,663 --> 01:06:43,103
I feel like that was a little more... Accepted, right? Accepted.
892
01:06:43,103 --> 01:06:46,823
Yeah. Like, don't fuck up or somebody's going to off you. Right, right.
893
01:06:47,043 --> 01:06:52,123
So, the property then becomes the home of Governor Thomas Ford,
894
01:06:52,363 --> 01:06:56,043
who was thought to already have been cursed prior to moving in.
895
01:06:56,103 --> 01:06:57,623
Oh, man. Okay. That's great.
896
01:06:57,923 --> 01:07:03,023
Yeah. Within quick succession, he lost his wife to stomach cancer. Mrs.
897
01:07:03,223 --> 01:07:07,423
Ford died of cancer of the stomach October 12th, 1850 at the age of 38.
898
01:07:07,543 --> 01:07:09,243
Eek, that's young. Yeah, very.
899
01:07:09,543 --> 01:07:16,123
Governor Ford already in his late stages of consumption. What is consumption? Does anybody know?
900
01:07:17,163 --> 01:07:21,643
Let's just confirm because I've heard it. Is it like pneumonia?
901
01:07:22,183 --> 01:07:24,623
Was that another word, pneumonia? Some type of sickness?
902
01:07:25,463 --> 01:07:29,243
Obviously. Pulmonary tuberculosis. Tuberculosis. Okay.
903
01:07:29,683 --> 01:07:33,463
Because it's all consuming. I remember like looking at it a while ago.
904
01:07:33,563 --> 01:07:39,043
All right. So thanks Brie for the, some sort of sickness part that was obvious.
905
01:07:39,703 --> 01:07:45,383
Captain. I was just thinking like as a category, I didn't think it was actually to a specific sickness.
906
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:50,070
Well, I always thought consumption was like alcoholism. Oh, no.
907
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:53,650
I thought it was like pneumonia, but it was tuberculosis. Yeah.
908
01:07:54,530 --> 01:07:58,370
All right. So he was in the late stages of consumption, then died a few weeks
909
01:07:58,370 --> 01:08:02,610
after and died on Sunday, November 3rd, 1850.
910
01:08:03,210 --> 01:08:08,710
According to Tomes of Terror, a haunted bookstores and libraries by Mark Leslie,
911
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:13,010
the property is then given to an ex-slave, Tom Lindsay.
912
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:18,010
Lindsay had recently been freed by the Emancipation Proclamation,
913
01:08:18,010 --> 01:08:23,270
and the son of his ex-master purchased a portion of the property and allowed him to live there.
914
01:08:23,810 --> 01:08:27,790
The book makes claims that Tom had a lot of issues living there.
915
01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:32,410
He had to rebuild the home and employing superstitious methods to live on the land peacefully.
916
01:08:32,850 --> 01:08:37,630
The book also claims that many more property owners and their children died,
917
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:42,170
but without any names. I again couldn't look it up, so I'll just add it here
918
01:08:42,170 --> 01:08:44,530
because it makes for a spooky story.
919
01:08:44,690 --> 01:08:50,070
Some believe her curse came true after all the owners of the property.
920
01:08:50,150 --> 01:08:53,890
The library was built in 1894, very close to where Mrs.
921
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:59,670
Gray's house stood, and the first three library directors died under mysterious circumstances.
922
01:09:01,550 --> 01:09:06,090
In 1966, the library was demolished and a new one was built in its place,
923
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:10,850
But many of the ghosts are set to still reside here as a result of Mrs. Gray's curse.
924
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:15,290
Reports say staff members have heard their names being called when they were
925
01:09:15,290 --> 01:09:18,690
alone in the stacks or they feel cold draft.
926
01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:23,810
Apparitions of former library director have also been in the basement doorway.
927
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:31,210
So I do not want to go because if I walk into a library, I burst into flames.
928
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:35,350
I thought you were going to say your turn on as a ghostly librarian.
929
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:38,110
And that's where I thought you were going to go with this. Well,
930
01:09:38,110 --> 01:09:40,890
yes. Didn't you have a nice story about a library?
931
01:09:41,730 --> 01:09:48,330
What? Like seeing a kid ghost? No. You said it was like a library or something. You saw a kid...
932
01:09:49,163 --> 01:09:52,003
I swear there's like a story of you seeing like a kid or something.
933
01:09:52,543 --> 01:09:55,183
All right. Did you do a weed before you came on the podcast?
934
01:09:55,383 --> 01:09:57,983
I did not do a weed. Did you do a cocaine?
935
01:09:58,823 --> 01:10:00,943
You know what story I'm talking about. Did you do a mushroom?
936
01:10:01,643 --> 01:10:05,883
Because you said that you looked and then like it turned away and it like disappeared or something.
937
01:10:06,303 --> 01:10:09,683
Nope. That never happened. So he was lying to you when he told you this story?
938
01:10:09,683 --> 01:10:10,843
I was just trying to get in your pants.
939
01:10:11,663 --> 01:10:16,103
No. No, I was actually trying to get out of your pants. Pretty sure he told me a story about that.
940
01:10:16,223 --> 01:10:20,423
All right. All right, so next is Dirty Dealings. Dun, dun, dun.
941
01:10:21,343 --> 01:10:22,883
Getting out of Brianna's pants.
942
01:10:24,243 --> 01:10:28,703
Out of her pants on to Dirty Dealings. On the banks of the Illinois River was
943
01:10:28,703 --> 01:10:32,023
an area inhabited by Native Americans for close to 12,000 years.
944
01:10:32,563 --> 01:10:36,383
Settled by French missionaries nearly four centuries ago and developed into
945
01:10:36,383 --> 01:10:40,363
a bustling town, downtown by citizens who lived and died on its streets.
946
01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:44,583
One of the several alleged paranormal hotspots covered on the tour,
947
01:10:44,583 --> 01:10:50,103
the Associated Bank branch at 240 Southwest Jefferson, was the site of a notorious
948
01:10:50,103 --> 01:10:54,363
murder during its time as the former State Trust and Savings Bank.
949
01:10:54,863 --> 01:11:00,723
On December 23, 1917, Bank President Edgar Strauss shot and killed cashier Bernie
950
01:11:00,723 --> 01:11:03,263
Meade in what he claimed to be self-defense.
951
01:11:03,803 --> 01:11:08,863
However, as the men had been involved in an ongoing feud, many believed the
952
01:11:08,863 --> 01:11:10,063
death was premeditated.
953
01:11:10,343 --> 01:11:14,403
The case initially resulted in a murder conviction, but after an An appeal was
954
01:11:14,403 --> 01:11:17,423
filed. Subsequent trials produced two hung juries.
955
01:11:18,163 --> 01:11:20,463
In the end, Strauss walked away a free man.
956
01:11:21,523 --> 01:11:26,983
Wow, that's interesting. Two hung juries? That doesn't happen often.
957
01:11:27,763 --> 01:11:32,363
Some local residents, like Janet Ozuna and her stepdaughter Teresa Ozuna,
958
01:11:32,463 --> 01:11:39,783
believe the injustice done to Meade has trapped the spirit and perhaps the state of Strauss.
959
01:11:40,818 --> 01:11:45,198
And perhaps that of Strauss, sorry. In this building on the corner of Jefferson
960
01:11:45,198 --> 01:11:49,498
and Liberty, both longtime employees of Mid-State College, Janet and Teresa,
961
01:11:49,678 --> 01:11:54,838
claim to have had several bizarre experiences while the school operated out of the location.
962
01:11:55,358 --> 01:11:59,418
As Teresa often worked alone in the evenings with only the night shift guard
963
01:11:59,418 --> 01:12:04,018
in the building, she claims to have regularly heard footsteps behind her when
964
01:12:04,018 --> 01:12:06,458
no one was there, doors slamming by themselves,
965
01:12:06,838 --> 01:12:10,158
receiving phone calls from the basement after it had been locked for the night,
966
01:12:10,158 --> 01:12:13,098
and once being touched by something she couldn't see.
967
01:12:13,598 --> 01:12:17,438
Do you think that could have been like her husband's dick? Could have.
968
01:12:17,978 --> 01:12:21,858
I mean. You never know. Never know. She couldn't see it. Right.
969
01:12:23,198 --> 01:12:25,258
Now we know how Brie feels at night.
970
01:12:28,058 --> 01:12:35,778
Teresa stated, I felt as clear as day a hand touch my arm. Kind of like someone about to say, excuse me.
971
01:12:36,338 --> 01:12:39,958
That's what I thought it was. I was even saying, oh, I'm sorry.
972
01:12:40,158 --> 01:12:43,598
And I turned and looked and there was absolutely no one there.
973
01:12:44,258 --> 01:12:50,218
Janet, whose office was the sole access point to a trap door leading down to
974
01:12:50,218 --> 01:12:54,558
the original bank vault, says one incident in particular converted her into a believer.
975
01:12:54,858 --> 01:13:00,038
I went in on a Sunday morning and of course no one else was in there, she remembers.
976
01:13:00,818 --> 01:13:06,078
I know there's noises when buildings settle and that type of thing.
977
01:13:06,598 --> 01:13:10,658
We were used to that. But literally, I could have sworn I heard somebody coming
978
01:13:10,658 --> 01:13:14,718
up those stairs under the trap door, just a thump, thump, thump,
979
01:13:14,778 --> 01:13:17,018
like heavy shoes coming up those stairs.
980
01:13:17,498 --> 01:13:21,638
The hair on the back of my neck stood up. I got goosebumps all over me.
981
01:13:21,698 --> 01:13:24,198
I literally grabbed my purse and ran, she describes.
982
01:13:24,838 --> 01:13:29,598
I know what fright is now. I don't think a lot of people know what a really
983
01:13:29,598 --> 01:13:33,878
frightening experience is until you're there. I had a whole different sense
984
01:13:33,878 --> 01:13:35,998
of being alone in that building after that.
985
01:13:36,698 --> 01:13:41,058
That's weird. Can you imagine just a trap door and just hear...
986
01:13:41,058 --> 01:13:44,798
I don't like trap doors in general. They give me the jeepies. Why?
987
01:13:45,578 --> 01:13:48,738
Well, like when we were a gammon house and that trap door and...
988
01:13:49,438 --> 01:13:53,978
I don't know. Just... What if somebody's under there? And not even the spirits.
989
01:13:54,178 --> 01:13:58,198
I'm afraid of like creepy real people hiding under the floor. Creepy real people?
990
01:13:59,618 --> 01:14:03,138
I don't know. It's just weird. Okay. Like, do you think that they're going to,
991
01:14:03,158 --> 01:14:06,178
like, just jump out and grab you and drag you down?
992
01:14:06,738 --> 01:14:10,558
Or just maybe they're spying on you kind of part? Okay. I don't know.
993
01:14:10,738 --> 01:14:13,698
Like, upskirt crotch shots?
994
01:14:14,138 --> 01:14:20,138
Maybe. Is that why you don't wear skirts? Yeah. That's why I do wear skirts. I don't want... Ew. Ew.
995
01:14:22,158 --> 01:14:28,098
A spectral sentencer and his restless residents. That is a...
996
01:14:29,142 --> 01:14:35,142
Tongue twister. I did that on purpose for you. Thanks. A few miles from the
997
01:14:35,142 --> 01:14:39,402
bank, a similar eerie vibe emanates from two historic Peoria homes.
998
01:14:39,902 --> 01:14:46,062
Among the many distinguished residences, sitting atop the city's east bluff is the Judge John C.
999
01:14:46,222 --> 01:14:51,922
Flanagan House, the oldest standing house in Peoria at 942 Northeast Glen Oak Avenue.
1000
01:14:52,842 --> 01:14:56,482
Maintained with the Peoria Historical Society, the American Federalist-style
1001
01:14:56,482 --> 01:15:02,002
home has been converted into a museum and houses a collection of local antiques,
1002
01:15:02,062 --> 01:15:06,142
as well as the reputed ghosts of its former tenants.
1003
01:15:06,482 --> 01:15:11,802
Among the odd events reported in the 176-year-old structure are an apparition
1004
01:15:11,802 --> 01:15:16,262
of a woman reading in the library and that of a man, presumably Judge Flanagan,
1005
01:15:16,382 --> 01:15:19,582
walking the grounds wearing his signature overcoat and silk hat.
1006
01:15:20,022 --> 01:15:24,062
According to Karen Karras, former Flanagan House chair volunteer,
1007
01:15:24,442 --> 01:15:28,882
often find objects have been moved around when no one has been in the building.
1008
01:15:29,322 --> 01:15:34,422
Once she even found one of the museum's prized artifacts, a more than a century
1009
01:15:34,422 --> 01:15:38,262
old shirt collar, carelessly strewn on the master bedroom floor.
1010
01:15:38,842 --> 01:15:43,242
It really spooked me and it actually gives me goosebumps right now, she says.
1011
01:15:43,742 --> 01:15:46,822
There were only a few people that had the keys to that house.
1012
01:15:46,862 --> 01:15:50,262
None of them would have ever taken and then out and throw it in the middle of the floor.
1013
01:15:50,842 --> 01:15:55,382
Does it bother you when your husbands just leave clothes laying on the floor?
1014
01:15:56,342 --> 01:15:59,002
It's the opposite. I'm the one that leaves clothes on the floor.
1015
01:15:59,202 --> 01:16:01,122
Yeah, JT doesn't. You do?
1016
01:16:01,722 --> 01:16:06,442
I leave clothes on the ottoman in the closet, but I don't throw them on the
1017
01:16:06,442 --> 01:16:08,402
floor. Okay. I'm just curious.
1018
01:16:09,062 --> 01:16:11,562
Do you get in trouble for leaving clothes on the floor? Oh, yeah.
1019
01:16:13,642 --> 01:16:20,062
100%. I'm a slob. and you know but it's only on my side of the bed,
1020
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:26,300
So it's like shoulders deep on your side of the bed. Yes. Yes.
1021
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,360
And then also the hampers are on my side as well. So like all her clothes are
1022
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,620
over there in the hamper and my clothes are on the outside. So there's like
1023
01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:38,520
an obstacle course leading to your side of the bed. Yeah. And that's fine.
1024
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,580
You know, I don't disturb her side. If you think about it, someone who's trying
1025
01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:46,280
to get you while you're sleeping, they have to really get there or miss you.
1026
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,060
Just go straight to miss you. I know what I'm doing. it all right
1027
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:53,680
so you're gonna wake me up before you get to me i don't know
1028
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,380
aren't you like a deep sleeper no not that used to be
1029
01:16:56,380 --> 01:17:02,060
yeah not anymore i don't sleep very well anymore i would probably say for a
1030
01:17:02,060 --> 01:17:06,540
good 10 years i have not slept well like i don't remember what it's like to
1031
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:10,280
wake up refreshed that's how long it's been and i've had sleep studies done
1032
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,840
i do not have sleep apnea Yeah, so, it's a mystery.
1033
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,540
Two, one of the. A dildo in my butt, yes.
1034
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:19,480
That's gonna keep you from sleeping. I was gonna say, that could be the problem.
1035
01:17:19,540 --> 01:17:22,480
Actually, that relaxes me. You can't roll over, it's like a kickstand. That relaxes me.
1036
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,240
Like a kickstand, what are you doing? Like, it's not sticking out,
1037
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,300
I mean, it's. The whole thing's in there? Is there any other way?
1038
01:17:31,835 --> 01:17:35,335
Do you have like a wire to like fish it back out? Yeah. How do you get it back
1039
01:17:35,335 --> 01:17:36,995
out if it's all in there? Yeah.
1040
01:17:37,415 --> 01:17:40,475
Is it like a tampon where there's like a rope in there and you just pull it
1041
01:17:40,475 --> 01:17:44,435
out? Or it's just permanently in there and that's why you can't sleep. It's soap and a rope.
1042
01:17:46,455 --> 01:17:50,755
I can't do the noise. There we go. That's what I'm trying to do.
1043
01:17:52,635 --> 01:17:57,955
All right. So located at 1212 West Moss Avenue, Imperia's High Wine District,
1044
01:17:58,255 --> 01:18:03,035
the Pettengrill Marren House is yet another converted home museum.
1045
01:18:03,335 --> 01:18:05,775
It was allegedly haunted by its former owners.
1046
01:18:06,135 --> 01:18:10,635
Built in 1868, the house is also maintained by the Peoria Historical Society.
1047
01:18:10,975 --> 01:18:16,135
It remains almost exactly as its last owner, Jeff Marne, left it before her
1048
01:18:16,135 --> 01:18:20,195
death in, I'm sorry, Jean Marne, left it before her death in 1966.
1049
01:18:21,655 --> 01:18:27,115
Volunteers say Ms. Marne's odds and ends are frequently discovered out of their normal places.
1050
01:18:27,715 --> 01:18:32,315
Tour guides have gone upstairs to find a water faucet running on its own and
1051
01:18:32,315 --> 01:18:35,835
report seeing the reflection of a shadowy figure in the mirror.
1052
01:18:36,415 --> 01:18:40,015
Neighbors claim to have seen figures walking around the attic while no one was
1053
01:18:40,015 --> 01:18:44,555
inside, as well as being awoken by the sounds of a cocktail party next door,
1054
01:18:44,655 --> 01:18:47,035
only to find no such swawe.
1055
01:18:47,735 --> 01:18:52,635
If a spirit is responsible for these odd occurrences, the Pettengill Marne House
1056
01:18:52,635 --> 01:18:57,175
Chair, Kathy Dollinger feels confident it means no harm.
1057
01:18:57,315 --> 01:19:00,795
Any ghosts we have are friendly ghosts, she asserts.
1058
01:19:00,955 --> 01:19:05,675
We feel we have a good rapport with them and they're helping us tell the story.
1059
01:19:05,975 --> 01:19:09,955
We're on good terms with our ghosts because we're taking care of the home.
1060
01:19:10,575 --> 01:19:13,335
All right. I just want to point out that you laughed at cocktail.
1061
01:19:13,555 --> 01:19:16,235
I know. Like a child. A hundred percent.
1062
01:19:16,655 --> 01:19:19,695
Because I love the word cocktail.
1063
01:19:19,695 --> 01:19:28,075
Tail because my joke is i feel like a cocktail hold the tail uh it's like me
1064
01:19:28,075 --> 01:19:33,295
and my mimosas story exactly it's only funny to the storyteller yeah i would
1065
01:19:33,295 --> 01:19:34,735
like a cocktail minus the tail please,
1066
01:19:35,967 --> 01:19:39,247
A ghostly encounter. Encore.
1067
01:19:40,087 --> 01:19:45,327
I'm sorry. I can't read. A ghostly encore. Buffet.
1068
01:19:47,267 --> 01:19:54,127
Buffet. Get me my silk robe and cigar brandy.
1069
01:19:55,287 --> 01:19:57,467
No. Right away, sir. Okay.
1070
01:19:58,687 --> 01:20:05,307
The Peoria Players Theater is said to be haunted by the ghost of Norman and Dean.
1071
01:20:05,967 --> 01:20:10,507
A former actor and director at the theater who died at the young age of 34.
1072
01:20:11,427 --> 01:20:15,067
The stories say he lingers backstage in the women's dressing room,
1073
01:20:15,187 --> 01:20:16,267
often flushing toilets.
1074
01:20:16,427 --> 01:20:19,927
Is this you, Nut? This is you. This has to be you. This is future past you.
1075
01:20:20,147 --> 01:20:23,127
And that's why I wanted to make sure we put this in here.
1076
01:20:23,347 --> 01:20:30,927
I am the reincarnated spirit of Norman and Dean. Yes, you are. That is awesome.
1077
01:20:31,167 --> 01:20:34,527
Looking for your moaning Myrtle. Myrtle. Myrrh.
1078
01:20:35,347 --> 01:20:40,547
John B. Kachuba's book, Ghost Hunting, Illinois, tells the tale of a haunted
1079
01:20:40,547 --> 01:20:43,367
Meyer Jacobs Theater at Bradley University.
1080
01:20:44,167 --> 01:20:49,487
Students and faculty alike say that the Lady in Brown has been seen in numerous
1081
01:20:49,487 --> 01:20:53,107
occasions throughout the years, especially in the dark tunnel under the stage
1082
01:20:53,107 --> 01:20:55,347
that runs to the orchestra pit.
1083
01:20:55,587 --> 01:21:00,747
The Lady in Brown is said to be a student who drowned in the pool decades ago
1084
01:21:00,747 --> 01:21:04,187
when the building was a gymnasium called Hewitt Hall.
1085
01:21:04,527 --> 01:21:09,967
His second presence is also rumored to be present in the Meyer Jacobs Theater,
1086
01:21:10,247 --> 01:21:14,867
something or someone that messes with the electricity causing stage lights and
1087
01:21:14,867 --> 01:21:16,467
sound equipment to go haywire.
1088
01:21:17,584 --> 01:21:21,264
Jim Langley, a former associate professor in the theater department,
1089
01:21:21,604 --> 01:21:27,304
has said footprints appeared in the middle of a freshly painted set one night
1090
01:21:27,304 --> 01:21:28,884
when he was alone in the building.
1091
01:21:29,284 --> 01:21:33,344
From the shape of the prints, as well as the location, Langley said he didn't
1092
01:21:33,344 --> 01:21:36,544
see how they could have been from anyone other than a ghost.
1093
01:21:38,204 --> 01:21:40,584
I would like to go back to Norman and Dean here.
1094
01:21:44,204 --> 01:21:47,824
No i could understand him being
1095
01:21:47,824 --> 01:21:51,284
in the women's dressing room get it why flushing
1096
01:21:51,284 --> 01:21:54,704
toilets because he had to take a shit that's why what would you do if you were
1097
01:21:54,704 --> 01:21:59,444
a ghost you don't think you would go around flushing toilets just for the shits
1098
01:21:59,444 --> 01:22:04,864
and giggles no pun intended i would be feeling those girls up yeah and then
1099
01:22:04,864 --> 01:22:09,204
when they were at school and away from the they have to keep Keep yourself busy.
1100
01:22:10,144 --> 01:22:15,004
Washing toilets. Do you think that's how ectoplasm is made? Just like ghost shits?
1101
01:22:16,724 --> 01:22:20,184
Quite possibly. Like he had Mexican the night before and it just looked like
1102
01:22:20,184 --> 01:22:22,204
a slimy ectoplasmic shit?
1103
01:22:22,524 --> 01:22:29,004
Yeah. All right. Possibly. T-shirt, ectoplasmic shits. What if he used the toilets?
1104
01:22:29,384 --> 01:22:33,084
Because what if it is connected to the lady in, right?
1105
01:22:33,144 --> 01:22:37,564
She was the one with the drowned in a swimming pool? so what if that's how you
1106
01:22:37,564 --> 01:22:42,844
transport through the sewer system or or what if.
1107
01:22:44,704 --> 01:22:51,124
He was taking shit flushing and the flushing i know where you're going with
1108
01:22:51,124 --> 01:22:56,664
this ended on the lady in brown and that's why she's called lady in brown very
1109
01:22:56,664 --> 01:23:02,324
much a la dave matthews bands tour bus 20 years ago,
1110
01:23:02,964 --> 01:23:06,804
dumping shit in the river and actually hitting people on the passing boat.
1111
01:23:07,364 --> 01:23:12,984
Are they called the Lady and Brown? Which the anniversary of that just happened last week. Aww.
1112
01:23:13,764 --> 01:23:15,284
Just synchronicity happening.
1113
01:23:16,904 --> 01:23:21,224
Synchronicity. Synchronicity. Synchronicity. Dave.
1114
01:23:23,684 --> 01:23:26,944
Please contact me. I'd love to do that duet with you. Oh, Lordy.
1115
01:23:27,404 --> 01:23:30,144
Baby, come back. I don't think you're ever going to
1116
01:23:30,144 --> 01:23:32,884
get hear from him no no no but
1117
01:23:32,884 --> 01:23:36,164
i'm gonna keep trying i'm gonna try so well that
1118
01:23:36,164 --> 01:23:40,464
was our episode that was an interesting ride that was from mental health to
1119
01:23:40,464 --> 01:23:47,624
murder to drowning to shit drowning and shit drowning and shit yeah well we
1120
01:23:47,624 --> 01:23:51,904
should all we we should we should get back into contact with sylvia and try
1121
01:23:51,904 --> 01:23:55,484
to make some time maybe next month to kind of meet up with her and,
1122
01:23:56,573 --> 01:24:00,413
have her tell us all the stories. I mean, she is a plethora of knowledge when
1123
01:24:00,413 --> 01:24:04,233
it comes to that. And yeah, that's awesome.
1124
01:24:05,313 --> 01:24:08,633
Superlative. Superlatives. Hyperboles.
1125
01:24:10,033 --> 01:24:14,873
You guys got anything else to close out this episode? No. Any last words?
1126
01:24:15,613 --> 01:24:17,353
Let's go to Peoria. Virtual.
1127
01:24:18,353 --> 01:24:22,333
I can't do it. She still can't do it. I'm trying. It's not coming out.
1128
01:24:22,453 --> 01:24:23,773
You know what? You know what?
1129
01:24:23,993 --> 01:24:28,513
You know what? But when we use our spirit boxes and we're like, what did that ghost say?
1130
01:24:28,653 --> 01:24:32,873
I don't understand what they say. Like, maybe that's future Brie, like, saying words.
1131
01:24:33,053 --> 01:24:36,833
It could be. But they're just coming through as, what was the furry one that
1132
01:24:36,833 --> 01:24:39,153
you said? Fertilly? Fertilly.
1133
01:24:40,033 --> 01:24:42,313
Virtually. Did that ghost say Fertilly? Did I say it right there?
1134
01:24:42,453 --> 01:24:46,533
You're pretty close. Oh, damn it. But maybe. You were close.
1135
01:24:47,813 --> 01:24:52,773
I was so nonchalant. Stop. I was so nonchalant. I'm trying. All right.
1136
01:24:52,813 --> 01:24:54,273
We'll work on our pronunciation.
1137
01:24:55,813 --> 01:25:00,133
For next week okay well guys
1138
01:25:00,133 --> 01:25:03,693
we love you german guy russian guy
1139
01:25:03,693 --> 01:25:09,333
or gal please like how do you know yeah well i mean person german what if it's
1140
01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:15,173
an ai or anyone else that listens to us internationally yeah go ahead yeah hold
1141
01:25:15,173 --> 01:25:20,173
us anyway that's all we got we love you we thank you,
1142
01:25:20,793 --> 01:25:27,833
and catch you on the flippity flop again this was fringe beyond limits.
1143
01:25:28,560 --> 01:26:05,394
Music.