UFO's Abductions And Disclosure Gary Heseltine

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His name on it.
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Do you do you know the author? You do? And
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how would you estimate that that Mademore Gentleman the author?
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The person is a current or former US government employee.
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And it stays here that that there's the public version
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of the author's report. Yes, so where might one find
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the non public version.
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Of the author's report? I don't know the answer to that.
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Would that be with the Department of Defense?
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I don't know.
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But from the shadows of the unknown, from the front
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lines of truth seeking, this is the show that cuts
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through the garbage and tells it like it is. No hype,
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no spin, just raw, unfiltered truth. This is Forbidden Realms
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with your host Gary Anderson. Yeah, Gary is back and
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he's taking no prisoners.
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I have no place to put the prisoners anyway. Well,
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I hope everybody had a great Christmas and a happy
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New Year's. Hopefully things will improve out there, because right
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now it's a real mess here in the United States.
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You know another thing, I'm really frustrated, you know, being
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off and watching a lot of TV and documentaries about
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UFOs and listening to podcasts. I think we're losing our
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way in this whole subject about UAPs and disclosure. We
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need to really go back and reinvent the right way
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to do disclosure and get and gather the right type
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of information because what is going on nowadays on a
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lot of these podcasts, TikTok, Facebook acts as people are
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just spreading well, I don't know what it is, but
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it is really doing a lot of damage to us
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getting down to prove that these things really exist. Now
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tonight we have a great guess all the way from
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the UK. He's been investigating UFOs for a long time
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and we'll bring them on right after this.
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Gary Heseltyne was born in nineteen sixty in Scunthorpe in Lincolnshire.
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He served in the Royal Air Force Police from nineteen
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eighty three to eighty nine before spending an almost twenty
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four year career in the British Transport Police. From nineteen
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eighty nine to twenty thirteen. Gary was a Home Office
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trained detective constable for nineteen years, working on all manner
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of inquiries, including murder, manslaughter and rape. He was an
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advanced police interviewer of witnesses and suspects and involved in
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the London bombings terrorist inquiry as a specialist interviewer of
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first responding police officers. In January two thousand two, and
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whilst still serving as a police officer, he launched an
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unofficial national database for police officers reporting UFO sightings in
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the UK. Following the sudden death of UFO Magazine editor
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Graham Birdsall in September two thousand and three, Gary launched
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his own online easine called UFO Monthly, which ran for
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forty one issues between two thousand and four and two
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thousand and seven. He then spent twelve months as the
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co editor of UFO Data Magazine, a subscription based printed magazine.
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In twenty ten, he was presented with the PRG World
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Disclosure Award in Washington, d C. By Steve Bassett. In
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twenty twelve, he was given the Exopolitics Great Britain Award.
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In April twenty thirteen, he gave testimony on behalf of
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police officers worldwide about their UFO experiences at the Citizen's
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Hearings at the National Press Club in Washington, d C.
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Gary Hezeltine is also one of the leading researchers in
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the Rendellschum Forest incident, Britain's most famous UFO case. Gary
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is currently the lead researcher and co writer of a
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major independent feature length documentary called Capel gre.
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And tonight, we're gonna get dived deep into you upology.
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The first thing I want to say before we bring
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Gary on is we had one of the main cameras
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crashed before we went on the air and I had
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to restart the computer. So if you see the wrong
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information on YouTube about tonight's show, that'll be corrected right
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after the show's over, so it'll be all fixed. Gary.
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How are you doing and what's the weather like in
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the UK?
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It's very cold since the last three or four days.
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It's getting really cold, so it's minus two monas three
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overnight snow in Scotland and where I live in, which
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is like the middle of the country, West Yorkshire, it's
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probably gonna hit us Monday or Tuesday.
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Oh wow, you know again here too, we're having it bad.
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My producer he's cold, I'm cold. I on the West coast,
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he's over in Ohio and all across the country we're like,
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it's chilly and that's the wrong time happened. Because in
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our country, as a lot of people know, everything is
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really going up. So even the power bills are a
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lot more expensive. I was thinking of like setting the
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house on fire. The other data is to get warm. Anyway,
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how old were you when you started getting interested in
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UFOs or flying disc or flying sausage.
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My interest began at the age of sixteen in nineteen
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seventy six in my hometown of Scunthorpe in Lincolnshire. As
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was mentioned in the intro cutting a long story show,
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I was walking my then girlfriend home from my house.
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She'd been at my house and we were walking back
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to her house. It's in an area called Ashby, which
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is a suburb of scuntho and at one point we
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had to walk along a very long footpath that ran
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beside what you would say as high school football pitches
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and the buildings of the school that I attended, and
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on the other side in England we would say allotments.
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It's a gardening area where public can grow grow vegetables, etc.
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There was no lighting at the end of the long footpath.
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There was a housing estate with all the hour lights
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on about nine o'clock. We're talking August. There's some school
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summer holidays. It was a barming night, which we don't
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get that many where there's no wind and it's still
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nice and warm. At eight nine ten o'clock it was
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one of those rare occasions, and the stars were out,
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no clouds, and as we're walking along the footpath, and
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perhaps at the darkest area because there was no lighting
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at that time, along the footpath, we saw a bright
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white light. That's all I can describe it as much
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bigger than the background stars, moving from our right to left,
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maybe a sixty degree angle. And if you can imagine,
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there's a long footpath ahead that you're walking along straight ahead.
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As soon as the object passed by us, so we
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were then behind the flight path of this object. The
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old area was plunged into thatness. And what I mean
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by darkness was all the housing estate, all the power
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There was a power grid failure and all the light
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went off, so it went really really dark. There was
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absolutely no light whatsoever, so it was pitch black. Fortunately
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I had my bicycle with me. I was pushing it
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as we were walking back, and so I said, get
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on the crossbar. I'm going to follow this light because
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it's intriguing because there's no noise at all. Normally you
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would hear aircraft. You often see aircraft in the sky,
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but no noise whatsoever. It wasn't a distinct shape, just
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a really bright white light. So she got on the bike.
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I gound the bike. I literally raced down as fast
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as I could, two of us on the bike, to
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the end of the alloyway, Turn right, maybe go another
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two hundred yards, drop her off at her house. Her
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house and the whole areas in complete darkness. I then
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turn around, go back the same route, back down the alleyway,
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come out onto a main road called Grange Lane South,
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turn right, and I was about three quarters of a
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mile from where my home was from her home to mine.
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I raced like mad. And as I went along Grange
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Lane South, which is a long road that takes you
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very close to where I lived, I could see in
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the distance that the power was still on on as
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there was a left hand bend approaching near my home
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at the end of this long road, and the light
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was on. And as I got to where you went
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from complete darkness, power off, and then the lectures is
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on and the housing state in front of me is on.
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And I remember looking over my right and shoulder and
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realized that I got your head of the light because
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it was moving so slowly and silently, and so I
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literally went another seventy five yards, turned right onto west
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Dale Road, another forty to fifty forty to fifty yards
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turned right onto my street, which is called Baysdale Road.
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I lived at number three, so it's the head of
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the road. I remember dropping my bike outside the front door,
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literally running in to my parents, who were having a
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cup of tea as British people do about nine o'clock
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at night, saying come outside, I think there's going to
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be a power cut caused by this strange light. And
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they just looked at me, bemused as you would. They
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didn't get up. So I ran through the hall, through
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into the kitchen, then through the back door to the
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back to the bottom of the garden, turn around to
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look back at my house, just in time to see
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this light coming over my rooftop. And then I do
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something which I still can't explain to this day. I
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put my hands up as if I'm answering the questioning
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class to make a like of ninety degrees. And as
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soon as that object went past me and therefore or
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went past my hand, and therefore I was technically behind
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the flight path the whole area was plunged into darkness.
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Now that's ridiculous. I had no interest in subject to
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UFOs flighting sources up to that point. But I realized
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that whatever that light was, and having moved from one
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geographical location to another, that that light, whatever it was,
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had integrate, had been responsible for that power cut. It's
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ridiculous for me to think that I was psychic and
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predict power cut, so that light, whatever it was, had
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triggered it. Still don't know what it was to this day,
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but that's what fired off my interests as a child
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at sixteen and here I am. I'm sixty five. Now.
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I didn't go public in terms of being a UFO
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researcher until forty two. So quite an evolving story to
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get me to that point where I became an active research.
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Now, were you scared when you've seen it? And how
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how do you explain that to your parents? And how
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did they take it?
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They just, you know, when I went back in the
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house and said, see, they're just getting candles. I remember
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my mum frantically looking around to get candles because we'd
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had power cuts as a child growing up occasionally. That
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was just to do with politics. But they just put
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it down to coincidence. Now, such as the technology of
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the day, we weren't even on the phone in my house,
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so the nearest phone Kiosk call box as you'd say,
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I could go to was a five minute walk around
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the corner. Who am I going to ring ghostbusters? You know,
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UFO busters? There just wasn't anything, So they just dismissed
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it as coincidence. But from my point of view, I
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was at the time of the incident, I was like
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just mesmerized, like what is that? You know, I wasn't scared,
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but I do remember that my girlfriend called onn She
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was visibly, you know, scared when the power was cut out,
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and you know, rightly or wrongly, you know, a lot
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of people would have that reaction. For me, I was
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just intrigued, and I realized that it was kind of
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moving very slowly in the direction of where I lived.
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So I kind of just instantly thought, I'm going to
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follow this whatever it is. It's moved me enough to
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be intrigued to get on the bike and try to
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get out of it.
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Now, you were in law enforcement for a long period
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of time. If some sixteen year old kid would have
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came up to you and told you that. Now, let's
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backtrack you. At this point when he would come up
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to you, you weren't into you of fos. You're just
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a regular you know, police officer.
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Have any interest whatsoever?
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Yeah, how would you take it if a kid would
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have came up to you and said, I just had
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an encounter.
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What you're saying is if I was the police officer
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and approached by somebody encounter or not. If you're saying
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having had the encounter and somebody came up to me,
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I'd be a lot more open to it. Because one
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of the things that happened was I had a thirst
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for knowledge as soon as I'd had deciting that. Literally
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the only thing that I could do such was the
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technology of the day. Video cassette recorders were coming in,
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but literally in a very very early stage, not like
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in America we'd had things a couple of years earlier
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call the tevas and thing that America had always had
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a lead on that. So it was just starting to
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come in, So the video age wasn't quite in, and
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literally the only thing that I could do, or think
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of doing, was go to a second and bookshop. Then
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I knew that there was in my local suburb, High Street,
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as we would say, where all the shops were. And
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I remember getting this book and it begins a trail
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of very strange coincidences that I now know a lot
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of people would say was synchronous, that something pulls you
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into the subject. Because I went into the second hand bookshop.
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I'd maybe gone in there once or twice previously, you know,
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for it had magazines in the Martial Arts magazine, so
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I got, turns out to be from somebody who's still
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a hero to me, Major Donald Keijo and his last
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of his five books, Aliens Are Real, and this was
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he was wrapped in cellophane and it was like I think,
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printed in seventy three, but it was like brand new.
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moment straight away because at one point in that book
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he mentions the New York blackout in sixty five that
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was likely to have been triggered by UFOs. It's when
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the Eastern Seaboard was knocked out for about eight hours
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and people were stuck in subways, in lifts and whatever,
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and they made a film about it, not about UFOs,
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but about the blackout in nineteen sixty five, And straight
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away I got a validation moment because literally that was
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the same thing that happened to me. I'd seen a
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strange light that seemed to trigger UFOs, seemed to trigger
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power grid failures, and there I had done the same
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personal experience. So it just was one of the very
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first things that brought me into the subject. And the
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more I became interested, the more kind of stranger coincidences
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that happened that eventually led me to become an active researcher,
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wanting to go public with research into it and create
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an unofficial database for police officers. But I was forty two,
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so a long time after sixteen.
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Well, here you were a police officer and you create
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this database. How did the other officers respond to you
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getting into it?
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difference between a detective in the US and the detective
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in the UK. Maybe the sense of human is slightly different.
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surprising that a lot of my colleagues literally one to
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one would you know, make jokes of me and whatever.
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office environment, they would all be making jokes. But if
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you were ever out on patrol with them, you know,
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I was in Mike Carr's as a playing clothes officer,
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and you get into one to one conversations with them,
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they'd be entirely different and they would be interested. But
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the notion of talking about UFOs in a group scenario,
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you had to laugh at it because it was stigmatized.
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there certainly was. But one to one, a lot of
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them said, I admire what you're doing and you know,
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sticking up for what you believe in.
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Well here, even in this country. I remember going back
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thirty forty years ago, and you know, I was really
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active on you know, radio, I through all that time frame,
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and you know, as somebody who say what do you do?
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And I said, well, I do a talk show and
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we talk about that, and you know what, they would
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look back up and look at me. From my feet
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to my forehead, wondering how could this guy be on radio?
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Who would want to listen to about you know, aliens
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and cattle mutilations and UFOs And nowadays, I mean, you know,
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it's completely different. People are talking about it at the
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bars and stuff like that. In your case, I bet
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how about the pubs? Do you ever hear anybody talk
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about it in the pub?
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No? But I funnily enough, in the town. I've moved
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around several towns in my life, but I've now settled
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in a little town called Featherstone, which is near to
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a slightly lodger town called Wanti Factor where my youngest
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daughter lives. So that's why I've moved there. But I
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put a local pub, as you would say, we would
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say started or somebody in the contract area started a
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local UFO group and had obviously heard of me. This
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is maybe in the last year, and they asked me
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to be one of their early speakers, and so they
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hold it in this pub, and the pub has been
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twice packed out when I've done it, and it's been
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really nice and just ordinary people and the amount of
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people that come up to me and say, you know,
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I've been fascinated for this subject for so many years.
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I saw something when I was eighteen, I saw something
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while I was at work in a factory, you know,
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that kind of thing. And the amount of stories, personal stories,
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all very genuine people, and I have no reason to
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disbelieve them, and they're not crazy people. There are one
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or two crazy people I've met over the years, the
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old crank phone call over the year since I've been
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a public researcher. But the vast majority of people I
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can tell with my interviewing skills, and I was trained
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in body language, and like I said, an advanced interview
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I can tell within minutes if somebody's genuine or not
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when I talk to them. And the vast majority of
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people who come out with their accounts personal accounts are
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absolutely sincere, and I don't think they're lying. I think
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it's a tip of an iceberg. And should the disclosure
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dam ever break, and with people can come forward without
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any kind of fear to their career or perceived career
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or you know, ridicule, I think it will be an
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avalanche of people coming out and saying I saw something
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when I was this, you know. I think it will
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be an avalanche of stories that are coming out once
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the pressure is lifted.
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And care here's the thing in the UK, because I
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have interviewed a lot of people from the UK through
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the years. You know, you guys are into the paranormal
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ghost and all that stuff because you've got a rich
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history compared to the United States. But why don't they
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have the same inquisitive about UAPs. Why isn't your you know,
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your government, will you know coming forward about it?
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to speak about it. And as you mentioned in the
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introduction about my career, as I guess, I've been involved
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in active research into the Reynolds and Forest incident, which
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is Britain's most famous case, often referred to as Britain's Roswell.
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But it's actually probably a better case than Roswell because
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of the number of incidents that occur. But I then
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have spent five years doing a cold case review of
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I was already a public researcher on Tornderson from December
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two thousand and seven. Then in two thousand and seventeen
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I was asked to be a lead researcher for a
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proposed documentary Caple Green, and I said, well, if I'm
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going to do it, put my name to its lead researcher.
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Best be accurate. So it prompted me to do a reinvestigation,
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a co case review, And what I decided to do
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in my approach to doing that was to take all
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sentiment now and just use my detective acumen skills to
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try to get new evidence, try to reinterview people, try
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to find old documents that have never been seen the
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light of day, etc. And I did that and it
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took five years. The book took three years. But I
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wrote a book, Non Human, that came out in twenty
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twenty three, and the amount of old information that was
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new because nobody had ever seen it by twenty thirty
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years ago in old publications. The amount of what I
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thought was very pertinent information that had never been disclosed
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to the public at large that was really interesting. Lots
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of information about Colonel Halt, one of two major revelations
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involving him, prior to his announcement after retirement onto the
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public stages were there were things prior to that that
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I think are very telling about the case. And then
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I was reinterviewed lots of people, and I was also
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able to get new interviews that elicited new accounts of
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incidents and cutting a long story show. The book concluded
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that there were seventeen different timed events. You were four
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related events over what I now think is not one day,
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two day, three day. I think now about a seven
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day period, the first night now beginning on the twenty
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third of December. Because I had an aim and course
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Steve Wagner tell me a story about ground impressions being found,
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triangular ground impressions found in the ground very close to
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the est gate at ariff Woodbridge, which is one of
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the twin bases. Now Rendalston is often referred to as
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one of the top ten cases in UFO history. So
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it's been an important book. It's been very well received
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and very humbled by the response from researchers and the public.
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But you know, when I look at that, when I
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did that cold case review, there's a lot of evidence
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to say that as soon as that at the time
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of the incident was taking place, or these multiple incidents
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taking place, the base was frightened stiff that the public
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would get wind of it at the time, and so
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they kind of clamped it down and it was clamped
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down and I can't prove it, but in Britain they
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have a thing called a D notice which the government
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can serve on the media industry, the mainstream media, and
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there was a big The case really didn't hit the
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big world news until October the second, nineteen eighty three,
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nearly three years afterwards. That's when most people began to
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hear about the case, and it kind of went viral
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in newspaper terms then. But that case, you know the
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amount of information that was held back, and within days
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the media had started saying it was just a lighthouse.
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BBC get involved to try to say it's just a lighthouse,
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and there was a very famous clip put together by
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the BBC. The Times newspaper did a really childish piece
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within days of that to try to offset it. So
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I think it's clear that the American government, the British
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government wanted to play it down and probably served a
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D notice on the British media to play it down
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and reinforce the stigma that was already going on because
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of the nineteen fifty three Robertson panel.
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Now your book, how's you know? There's a couple other
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books on it. How's your book?
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There's about ten or eleven books that have been done now.
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Yours compared to them, well, I would say nona like mine.
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About one there was a book by a lady called
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Georgina Brunei who wasn't UFO researcher at all. She became
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aware of the case in the late nineteen nineties. She
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was like a show biz reporter, like a kind of
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a gossip columnist, but she got interested in the casion.
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She did a very good book called You Can't Tell
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the People, which was released I think two thousand and
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that tried to do or did many of the same
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things that I have done. In that she created a
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very broad platform, tried to tell various different aspects of
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the case. It was very well laid out. Now twenty
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three years later, she wasn't detective, she didn't have my training.
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She didn't have my detective training. So I then did
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a cocaine which she didn't do, but she did a
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very good job. And then I took it a stage
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further by doing this co case review and eliciting a
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lot of new material through all the interviews, reinterviewing and
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finding new witnesses, et cetera. So in terms of the
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layout hers was the closest to mine, but mine has
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kind of brought it up to date and done it
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in a very factual way because I took sentiment out
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of it. You know, I'd met virtually all the players
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involved in the case, so I knew them, and I
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then met lots of new witnesses and did lots of interviews.
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So for me, the real story behind renlstem is is
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that I believe that the public and not being given
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the real narrative. The narrative that you see in virtually
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fifty sixty English speaking documentaries about Rentalstrom is largely wrong.
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It focuses generally on three witnesses, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt,
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who was the deput based commander at the time, SAT,
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Jim Peniston, and John Burrows. They're the three principles that
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turn up in all the doc entries. But there are
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many more witnesses, and that's what my book reveals, is
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that there's a whole new narrative of witnesses like Sergeant
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Adrian Bestin's aim and Steve Wagner aim and Steve Longero,
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lots of other people that interviewed military that of their
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cases have never been told, and that's wrong because you're
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only getting a slight bit of the story. You get
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some parts of the story, but all the story, whereas
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my book gives you all the story. And so I
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chose to self publish it. I didn't go to a
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major publisher. I could have probably got one, but I
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didn't because I wanted to get the information out. There
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was no pre publicity. And the reason why I did
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that is because if I'd have said I'm releasing my
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book on so and so on such and such date,
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I suspect one or two people would have tried to
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delay me through legal injunctions, not because they'd have a
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leg to stand on, but to try to delay it.
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So I thought, no, I want to get the information out.
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There's that much more information about this case than anybody
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has ever seen and collected together in one place. I
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wanted to put it out when nobody's prepared for it,
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so I did no pre publicity. Once the book was finished,
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I self published it on Amazon and it's still there.
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I've still never been to a mainstream publisher, and the
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book's done well. But the only downside to that is
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you don't have the same distribution around the world. In
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quite the same way as you would through an author
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or a big publishing house. But I'm now working on
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a second edition because I've got lots of new information
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that I've done in the interim two years, and we'll
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see where we go from that. But yeah, for me,
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it was about money. It was about getting the truth
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out there, and there was so much new information in
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this book that most people have never and deserved to
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be and these witnesses deserve to be heard.
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And they do. Now we need to take about a
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thirty second break and we come back. I want to
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ask you about that craft or the sergeant and the
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lieutenant and they all, you know, were looking at it.
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But there again, I remember reading the book years ago.
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I can't remember by who, but they supposedly put their
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hands on the craft. There was text writing on the
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craft again that he felt he was being communicated with
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by the craft. We want to find out a little
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bit about that.
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That's a real story behind that.
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But yeah, okay, we'll be right back with Gary, So
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don't go anywhere. We'll be right.
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Back coming up at the top of the hour. Our
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call lines cold wide open. Do you have a question
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for Gary's guests tonight. Don't forget. It's at the top
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of the hour when the lines open dial one two
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five three two six zero five seven one three Again,
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that's one two five three two six zero five seven
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one three.
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And we're back with Gary again. Was that real where
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the guy saw the text on the craft and supposedly
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put his hand on it and was getting downloaded information
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or has that been made up?
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If you're asking me as a detective, I think that
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what's called the binary code the download information is very
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suspicious to me. There's a lots of red flags about
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the way the information came out. But just to put
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it into context, you're talking about one landing, but my
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00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.319
book reveals that there was almost certainly two landings of
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a craft. There was two occasions where entities were seen,
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and this was one of them, which was not Jim Penison.
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Sergeant Jim Penison came across a black triangular craft either
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close to the ground or on the ground that was
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like glass to the touch and felt warm to the touch,
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and he said that it was emitting strange kind of
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lights from within that weren't a fixed position that kept
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moving around from within. There were no rivets or anything,
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no obviously signs of propulsion, and he said that he
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walked around the craft for about forty five minutes. He
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drew a sketch of it in his pocketbook. He made notes.
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He had a camera with him at the time because
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he thought he was going to a potential aircraft crash,
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so he took photograss, which later then he was told,
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came out fogged from the base photo lab, but he
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apparently walked around it for forty five minutes. Now, another
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witness who he was with em and John Burrows, he
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was further back, perhaps twenty thirty meters away, and from
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his position, he didn't see this triangular craft, which was
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about three meters by three meters in dimensions in simple
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terms nine feet by nine feet and six feet hired
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its highest point, and he said, from his perspective, he
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saw a bank of bright lights that kind of like
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dazzled in multi color lights that suggested there were structure
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behind it. Well from his position, in his perspective, that
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may well be the case, but Jim Penison is the
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only one who got that close to it. Now, let's
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talk about the binary cod Well. The binary coord story
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00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:50.400
didn't emerge publicly in an accepted public reveal until thirty
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years later. Yeah, and in very strange circumstances. It came
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out for a documentary made by Prometheus TV, who with
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a the producers of the Ancient Alien series. But it
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was prior to Ancient Aliens, So there's a question there,
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why wait thirty years to reveal something like that. There
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was a there was a like a a thirtieth anniversary
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conference close to rental from Forest in a town called Woodbridge,
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and about four hundred people in the audience, and Jim
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Peniston was there and he began to reveal this story
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of that when he'd touched the craft, he felt an
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instant like download of zero's and ones coming into his head.
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And then he said he felt so compelled that the
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next day he wrote them down in like automatic writing,
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and he wrote them down zero zero, one, one, one, zero,
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blah blah blah. Cutting a long story short, he then
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said that he'd given he didn't know what it was.
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And then somebody said, oh, that's binary code, and he said,
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what's binary cod? Allegedly and then and then they went
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off with so many pages of these zeros is and
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was and then came back and said, oh, there's it's
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time travelers from the future, I think eighty one hundred
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years in front of those and they've come back, and
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that there was grid coordinates all around the world, including
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the Geezer Plateau, a place of island called I forget
575
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what it's called High something, but it's an island that's
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no longer on any map. But basically when that all
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came out, the audience reaction at that thirtieth anniversary was
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like a bit incredulous, and he said, well, I can't
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say too much because it's going to be in this documentary.
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But he said, he said I'd had this, and lots
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of people then stood up and said, well why you
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mentioned this? Oh, I didn't know what it was, and
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you know the stigma, and who could I have told? Well,
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you'd thought he could have told John Burrows, who was
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thirty meters away from him, who'd shared a lot of
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his experience on walking around the craft walking in the
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forest that night. You'd thought he'd said something like that.
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But where it falls down for me as red Flags
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is that initially said there was six pages of BYD
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record that then got analyzed, and then on another show
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he did TV radio shows, he said eight pages, and
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then it was nine pages, and then it was twelve pages,
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and eventually it's sixteen pages. Now, logically, I think I
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would know how many pages. Now, you might not know it.
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First time somebody asked you that question, well, how many
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pages did you write down? And he might legitimately he said, well,
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I don't know, But I guess what he'd do is
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he'd find out. You naturally would go, well, I'm going
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to that's a good question. I'm going to find out. Uh, oh,
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it's sixteen pages. You'd never forget that it was sixteen. Yeah,
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human nature is you would never forget that it was
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sixteen because it's such a weird kind of memory in
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you know, burnt into your memory.
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Well, that type of memory you know, if you were
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investigator a murder and you were sure if you were
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going to lock the guy up because you had enough
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evidence or not. When somebody goes from this amount to
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that amount to that amount to that to me a
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red flag, Yeah, a huge red flag.
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And then and then the other big red flag on
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the binary CODs for me was that he did a
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show about twelve days after that Woodbridge conference, the Angela
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Joiner Show, and he basically said, well, I knew what
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it was all along, and yet he told the Woodbridge
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audience he didn't know what it was, so contradicted himself,
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and at one point Angela joined, it's like really confused,
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and so there were things like that that for me
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say that that's come later. Quite why, I don't know.
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He was definitely a witness, He was definitely there. He
620
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.800
definitely saw the craft on the ground. I'm not doubting that.
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But the binary code didn't turn up for almost thirty years.
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And then during the audience at Woodbridge he actually slipped
623
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in when the audience were like asking him all these
624
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.719
different good questions. He doesn't like it. He's a bit early,
625
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and at one point he says, well, actually it did
626
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.639
come out in nineteen ninety eighteen Linda molten House book
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Glimpses of Other Reality, where he'd undergone a hypnosis session
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and that was partially transcribed and one of the first
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bits in the book. I have the book. She actually
630
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.880
gave it to me, which is weird, but she gave
631
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it to me. It's got a partial transcript of that
632
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.239
hypnosis session that he had, I think in nineteen ninety four,
633
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and it starts off saying can you see the binary CODs?
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And that's the first part now that says to me
635
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.760
that it could be an implanted memory. You know, it
636
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.719
shouldn't be a leading question like that, what can you
637
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.599
tell me? But it wasn't a leading question can you
638
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.599
see the binary codes? And so to me, there's lots
639
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.639
of red flags around it. So I'm not saying you
640
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.000
can't have downloads of information. I think you can, but
641
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I am suspicious of this download.
642
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.519
Well, you know, years ago I had on a retired
643
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:04.280
homicide detective from New York and he always after he retired,
644
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.960
he wanted a hobbies. So he took up to you know,
645
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.840
basically put people under hypnotism and all that stuff. But
646
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.199
you know what he said that a lot of these
647
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:18.239
people are not certified to do it, and if they
648
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:24.719
don't know what they're doing, they can actually accidentally implant
649
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.840
different things in there that the person that they're put
650
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under into their mind. So you got people's you know thing, Oh,
651
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:37.000
I was hypnotized, and yes I was abducted and aliens
652
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.320
did this to me. Aliens did that to me. I
653
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was taking a boarder craft an actuality. It never happened because.
654
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.159
Again hypnosis a regression is only as good as the
655
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.920
person doing the regression. And unfortunately, I've listened to several
656
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.599
people who are famous in this field, and I won't
657
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:01.639
name them, but they let their witness a lot, you know,
658
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.639
and you shouldn't do that. It should be open questions
659
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:09.719
all the time, but many of them ask leading questions
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which indirectly implants or frames the nature of your response.
661
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.000
How about ETS, and then we're going to get into
662
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.119
some of your investigation of craft what people have seen,
663
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.039
But how about ETS? Have you done research with interviewing
664
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people that claim that they were abducted?
665
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.480
I would say I have spoken to several people who
666
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.840
have claimed to be abductees. In fact, I know some
667
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.320
major researchers who have confided to me that they're abductees.
668
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But I don't class myself as an abductee researcher, so
669
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I pass it to a guy who was my vice
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I'm the vice president of the International College and for
671
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Extraterrestural Research, which is a nonprofit organization that you know
672
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:09.159
is made up of academic scientists and leading ufour researchers.
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We've got national delegates in twenty five thirty countries around
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the world on five contents, so I do a lot
675
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.079
of work with that. So I know a lot of
676
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international people. But in the UK I'm the natural representative,
677
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.880
and I have a deputy called Dave Hodron who runs
678
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.920
the Birmingham UFO group. Now he is the person I
679
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:33.920
send all my abduction case reports too, because he specialized
680
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.800
in that and I trust him and he's very good
681
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.119
and he does it very evidentially, and so I give
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him a lot of credit when these cases come up,
683
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but a lot of There is no doubt whatsoever in
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my mind now that the abduction phenomena is real, absolutely,
685
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and in fact, in ISA, we looked at the evidence
686
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across all countries. It's not just an American thing, it's
687
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not a British thing. It's a world wide phenomena, and
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we concluded as early as to twenty twenty two that
689
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the abduction phenomena was real. Well here's Gary, what's something
690
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:11.840
going on again?
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You've being a detective and everything from homicide to you
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00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.800
name it. How about people missing go missing? Like in
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our country, there's a lot of people go missing according
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to the FBI data base, but they do find a
695
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:31.760
lot of them either they were killed or they disappeared.
696
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.079
But then there's a small percentage they can never trace down.
697
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.880
But when I'm talking small percentage, we're talking tens of thousands.
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Absolutely. America is such a big country. There's such a
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huge population. I mean, you know, David Palidis, we've exchanged
700
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emails and I've watched these documentaries and he's done great work,
701
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.480
and some of the cases that he highlights in his
702
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.159
documentaries are just incredible. One minute they're there and the
703
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next minute you know, you're literally twenty yards behind, and
704
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then they go around the corner they disappear. And then
705
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sometimes the weird ones were they were there and then
706
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.760
they found halfway upper mountain and how did they get
707
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.559
there kind of thing, you know, the survive but how
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00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.840
did they get there? So there is such a diverse
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00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.840
number of cases, and because of the America's population and
710
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.199
such a big, big, wide expanse of land, you know,
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00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.920
like you say, it's thousands when you actually analyze that
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small percentage. In the UK, I don't think anybody's done
713
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.519
any kind of research, But we're much more heavily populated.
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00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:41.199
Yes we've got you know, we don't have many big mountains,
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but we'll have lots of mountainous areas where there's not
716
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.119
a lot of houses there. But in the UK, I'm
717
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.079
not aware of really any numbers like that. But in
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00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.800
the United States there certainly seems to be a huge
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number of people missing. But I mean, I look at
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00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.880
things like I was really good friends with a Brazilian
721
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.320
search called Aja Gavard, who was very famous, spoke very
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good English. He used to put a lot of conferences
723
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:11.760
together and be an international lecturer in the United States
724
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.400
many many times. Sadly he died two or three years ago,
725
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but I was good friends with him for twelve to
726
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thirteen years, and he used to once a year go
727
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.599
out to the Amazon, and he was researching the tribes
728
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.679
that live on the banks of the Amazon, these indigenous
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00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:33.480
tribes that most people don't even see. And their life
730
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.079
didn't have internet, it didn't have newspapers, didn't have TV.
731
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Very basic tribe kind of people living by the river,
732
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and their world was ten miles one way down the river,
733
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.280
ten miles the other way, so like twenty miles radius.
734
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That was their life. But he would get UFO cases
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00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:57.239
described to him, like frying, flying, flying fridges and things
736
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.599
like that, and then because they didn't have a way
737
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:03.480
to disc tribe it, but they described in their own language,
738
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as it were, in their limited language, exactly the same
739
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:12.559
scenario of abductions taking place. And he was constantly doing
740
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.280
that year in year out for many years, and sadly
741
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.159
he never did the big publication book before he died.
742
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.840
He did somewhere. But what I'm saying is even in
743
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a third world kind of environment, the same kind of
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00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:32.559
scenario takes place that you're often taken, find yourself being
745
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.039
medically examined, there is a missing time element, and then
746
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:40.920
you returned. And so for for him to conclude that
747
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.320
when we live in this big age of technology that's
748
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.039
going faster and faster, it just shows you that on
749
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.840
every continent that it's a real phenomena that abduction is
750
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.880
taking place, because how could they know and describe the
751
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.920
same experience without access to the media and the internet.
752
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:00.760
But that.
753
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.440
There's your answer. They wouldn't. They didn't have the internet
754
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:09.360
to hear about it. So it's real. And here's the thing,
755
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:12.440
this is going on is still going on, but yet
756
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.519
people kind of uh, you know, again, there's some people
757
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.679
out there and not telling the truth. But there's people
758
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:24.840
out there that their stories make logical sense. And it's
759
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:30.360
scary because you know, I had back in the mid seventies,
760
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I think seventy two. I can't remember the quite year.
761
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.239
I was coming back from the other side of the country,
762
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:41.360
driving NonStop, and I got into the desert of New
763
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.360
Mexico and it was like one ish in the morning,
764
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:50.599
and all of a sudden, all around the car it
765
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.960
was brighter than daylight. And in my mind I started thinking,
766
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.360
oh God, yes, I had a gto at the time,
767
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:59.800
and I was doing over one hundred. I figured, you know,
768
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.760
something bad is going to happen to me, like I'm
769
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.199
going to get arrested. My wife at the time was panicking.
770
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.199
I pull off the side of the road. Now I
771
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.719
was in the military. I rode in the back a
772
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.239
lot of helicopters, a lot. I know what they sound like.
773
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.840
I get out of the car. Nothing no sound at all,
774
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.519
no sound of the desert, no sound of any wildlife
775
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.519
or anything. Just totally dead. And the light was so
776
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:32.440
bright it hurt my eyes and then puff it was gone,
777
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:34.360
just like that.
778
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.920
Like throwing a switch, switching on a light bulb. Yeah,
779
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.480
that's a very common thing. I mean I remember early
780
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on when I became a public researcher, sort of two
781
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.639
thousand and four, two thousand and five, early on in
782
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:51.440
my career, I guess as a researcher that I remember
783
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.920
a defining moment when I realized just how real this was,
784
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:02.079
where three women totally independent of each other, gave me
785
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.920
the stories over a one week period. They didn't know
786
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.320
each other, in different parts of the Britain, and they
787
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.800
all described driving on a lonely country road with their
788
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.960
young children in the car, late at night, dark, and
789
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.880
then an object pulling alongside of them like the size
790
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:21.559
of a car, glowing object, no noise, flying at hedgero height,
791
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.960
parallel with the car on a lonely country road, frightening
792
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.960
them silly, and then shooting off either vertical or just
793
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.239
out to sea or whatever. But when that happened, it
794
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.400
was three different events over a one week period, and
795
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.760
the hairs by the time the third one the hairs
796
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:40.280
on the back of an echa going up. Because this
797
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:44.639
is a validation moment, because how could these three identical
798
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:52.000
scenarios happen in almost identical scenarios lonely country road at night,
799
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.039
wife and kids in the car, kind of thing, and
800
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.199
then an object scene totally follows them for two or
801
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:02.639
three miles, scares them silly, then shoots away. It was ridiculous.
802
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.000
She couldn't make that up. And they're just they're totally
803
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.920
independent of each other. So that's when I realized just
804
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:13.639
how real these sightings were and how probably out frequent number.
805
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.920
Wait we were, really it concerns me why so much?
806
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.119
Why are we seeing them almost on a daily basis,
807
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:28.000
every day across this world. They are they like given
808
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.800
a tour of this planet, but before we kind of
809
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.400
like you know, disappear.
810
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:39.159
Like as deft as it sounds, there may be an
811
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.719
element of truth there in the sense of space tourism
812
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.920
if these things really could come. And I do think
813
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:49.320
the vast majority are extraterrestrial, based on the abductions phenomenon,
814
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:55.079
the contact phenomenon, and what witnesses say, and several species
815
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.679
that have been mentioned on Eric Davis recently acknowledged that
816
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.760
we're talking about the Nordics, the Grays, the mantis, that
817
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.679
kind of thing. Incredible stuff that's emerging in the last year.
818
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:13.519
But it strikes me that it's more likely still to
819
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.800
be the majority is extraterrestrial. That they've developed technology way
820
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.599
ahead of her time and they've managed to come here
821
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.599
and whatever whatever means. But if they could get here,
822
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.280
they're only going to do what we would do if
823
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.840
we came across. As an example, and if I use
824
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.360
this lectures, if for example, in my garden, I turned
825
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.960
over a slab, a garden slab, a big slab, and
826
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there was a new species of ant in there, and
827
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:49.519
it's the only colony of eighteen legged ants in the world.
828
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:54.000
Everybody would descend on that. They'd want to film it,
829
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.599
Some people who would be unscrupulous would want to steal
830
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:02.719
them for their collections. Some people would want to dissect
831
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.559
them to check the anatomy. And if you think about that,
832
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.480
so really just a parallel of what the abduction form is.
833
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.760
They seem to be examining us, watching us, so they
834
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.480
could well be an element of that. Sounds crazy, but
835
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.480
it's only what we would do if we could do it.
836
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.360
We go, well, we would do it.
837
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.840
If you think about, you know, some of the stories
838
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.599
out there like well Oswell and a bunch of other
839
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:32.159
ones that we supposedly you know, you know, experimented on
840
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:34.800
them by taking them into the operating room and seeing
841
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:35.639
how they tick.
842
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.559
Absolutely, and so I have no doubt that if we
843
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:44.159
have recovered bodies, which I believe we have. David Grush
844
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.400
has said that. Other people have said it too. Jase
845
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.639
Stratton recently said, for age of disclosure, you know I
846
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.840
have seen non human bodies and non human craft. You know,
847
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.320
you can't get any clear from the guy around the US.
848
00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.960
You know, the task force, the UAP task Force, lots
849
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:06.920
of stuff is emerging, but realistically it's we are being
850
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.559
visited now. Yes, we use this term now UAP, which
851
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:16.320
is a capsule for interdimensional ultra Terrestrian, an ancient civilization
852
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:19.960
maybe under the oceans that stayed separate to us. I'm
853
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:21.679
open to all of that, but I still think the
854
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:26.559
vast majority is at based on what the contact experience
855
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:28.480
experiences are saying.
856
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.320
Well, you know, again, back engineering, I don't think we
857
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.760
have the technology seriously to back engineer a craft. And
858
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.719
the reason why I'm going to say this because I
859
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.199
grew up in electronics since as a little kid my
860
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.960
father was a worked at Boeing Aircraft and he was
861
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.239
well developing for the super transport they were going to make,
862
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:57.320
which never got made. He was coming up of electronics
863
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:02.360
for it, and my father, you know, was deep into
864
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.199
you know, design electronics, and I asked them one day,
865
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:13.599
could could week back engineer something? And he goes no,
866
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:19.440
because one if the if the technology is far advanced
867
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:23.000
and what we know, we might understand a little bit
868
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:27.440
what it does, but to duplicate it and make it work,
869
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:29.960
we wouldn't be able to do it.
870
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:36.199
Yeah. I I for a long time, since becoming a
871
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:39.280
public researcher in two thousand and two, would say the
872
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:42.360
first ten or twelve years, I kind of thought that
873
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.639
maybe we had done some reverse engineering of earlier craft
874
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.320
and maybe we did have a TR three B. But
875
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.599
I think as time has gone on, and hearing all
876
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:55.000
the people like James Lakatski and other people Eric Davis
877
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:59.079
and hal put off from people like that, I now
878
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:03.280
think that we're almost certainly not even to open to
879
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:08.280
how could we If it's like giving an iPhone to
880
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.400
Leonardo da Vinci and saying, you're the cleverest brain of
881
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.320
your era and for hundreds of years, how does it
882
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.639
work the iPhone? And it would just be magic? And
883
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:21.639
I suspect now that we probably have not even even
884
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.880
been able to get inside them. We may have them pristine,
885
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.599
the suggestion that some have been left for us to
886
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.039
try to develop our technology. If that is indeed the case,
887
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:33.840
we probably don't even know how to get in. And
888
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.079
if we have got in, James Katke, I did I
889
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:41.280
think said that one had been entered. If we even
890
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.360
if we've got in, how could we make it work
891
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.320
when it's just so far advance. You're absolutely right, and
892
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.760
so I tend to think now we you know, we
893
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.239
haven't really made any progress and we really don't know
894
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:54.000
what we're dealing with.
895
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:56.880
Well, one thing I will ask you, if we figured
896
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.360
out how to get in, how would we get back out?
897
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.239
Well, I guess I guess we would look at it
898
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.159
as if there's a door open, we'd lay the door.
899
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.920
Yeah, you have about the door closed on? Yeah, what
900
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:10.559
are we going to do?
901
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.360
Then? Correct? Correct? I mean we're asking The thing is
902
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.760
I suspect, like I've always said in terms of lecturing,
903
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.840
is that we only know ten percent of this subject
904
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:27.480
in the public domain. Ninety percent of what we don't
905
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.639
know is in the secret world of government disinformation agencies
906
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.840
and the Pentagon, et cetera. We're hiding it. We've done
907
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.880
real research, we only know ten percent in the public domain,
908
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.719
so what the ninety is who knows?
909
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.880
Well, how about some cases that you investigated? What a
910
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:49.400
couple of cases really stick out in your mind? Now
911
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:51.079
we do need to go on a break at the
912
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.079
top of the hour, but you know, maybe let's get
913
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:59.880
into this a little bit. Okay, well, no, we're not
914
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.719
break yet, so all right, okay.
915
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.159
Sorry, no, no, I mean, well, let's look at it.
916
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:09.639
From my point of view as an investigator of UFOs
917
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.400
is that when I went public in two thousand and two,
918
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.559
I just launched a website for police officers in the UK,
919
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.000
So naturally police officers would begin to contact me. And
920
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:26.480
some of the cases that I were given to me
921
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:31.440
were almost certainly from retired police officers got the pension,
922
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.440
had retired and they didn't feel threatened and they wanted
923
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.000
to get off the chest before they passed away. So
924
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.920
often it was a kind of like a cathartic experience
925
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:43.000
where people almost crying to me down the line. I
926
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.679
wanted to tell this story for so long. Thanks for
927
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:47.440
doing what you do in that kind of thing. But
928
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.480
some of the cases that stand out to me, I
929
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.719
remember there was a three police officers middle of nowhere,
930
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.039
two police cars just having a cigarette break rural country road,
931
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.079
and then all of a sudden they see on the
932
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.719
horizon something light up. Very briefly, you flash on the
933
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.400
horizon bright light, and then it goes and they think
934
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:10.559
nothing to it. And then literally two minutes later, it
935
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:14.639
just blinks on like a bult switching the light bulbon,
936
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.400
and there is a huge craft approximately two hundred meters long,
937
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.119
maybe only three hundred feet off the ground, very close
938
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:27.360
to their rural location, and there are a smaller craft
939
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:29.639
flying around it. So it's like in to a mother
940
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.320
ship with smaller craft flying around it. Maybe six of
941
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:35.239
these smaller craft going around it. And then it puts
942
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.079
a bean down to the ground to scan the terrain.
943
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.000
Like what you just described. That this incredible brightness, it's
944
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.760
almost daylight under the where the beam was, and it
945
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:50.000
was scanning the landscape, and all three police officers saw
946
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:54.039
it and then literally no noise and they're just there
947
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.840
in awe and then all of a sudden, gone, switch off,
948
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:02.239
light bulb gone. So those kind of incidences were the
949
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.800
first things that I got from police officers. The vast
950
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:10.639
majority were Historically, you can't really research those cases because
951
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:14.199
there's nothing, there's no written records, so you're relying a
952
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:18.719
lot on the testimony and witness corroboration. I had other
953
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.199
cases where I remember one police case where it was
954
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:28.000
the nice of what's called the Cosford incident, and there
955
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:32.440
were twenty four police officers that I had involved in that.
956
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.840
It's the largest case on the database, and we're talking
957
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:40.320
over six or seven different In England, we call a
958
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large area a county, you know, so a county might
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hold three or four million people kind of thing, and
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there were seven or eight of these counties that were involved,
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and twenty four officers from all different regions seeing the
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same kind of object. So again an incredible case. Now
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00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:59.599
what was good about that is there was a lot
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of because there'd be two officers down south, there'd be
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two officers near London, the two officers near Oxford and
966
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that kind of thing, so you had lots of corroboration
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and you could actually work out a timeline of the
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movement of the object. There has been other cases where
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I remember people have told me that they filmed something,
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so I'd go out and then I'd look at the
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photus and think that's really good, and then I remember
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going out to the same location and sure enough I
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00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.800
saw something very similar, but it turned out to be
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a drawne. So not everything that you investigate always turns
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out to have, you know, kind of paranormal aspect. You
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were full aspect. But the point of being a researcher
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is you follow the evidence trail, You speak to the witnesses,
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00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:49.000
you try to get corroboration from other witnesses.
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And for example, okay, we needed to take this break.
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So Gary, when we come back in about three minutes,
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let's find out. I want to know how you do this.
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How how do you interview? I guess to get the
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most information. So we'll be right back with Gary. So
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stay too. You're listening to Forbidden Realms.
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The following is an end to your editorial, opinion and comment.
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Thank you in advance for a moment of your time.
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So how does this reporter see it?
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Here?
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01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:32.239
He goes disclosure the freak show under the big top. Folks,
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this isn't disclosure. It's a three ring circus. Step right
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01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.199
up under the world's most secure tent, where the Pentagon
992
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:45.039
plays dumb, Congress plays dead, and the American people are
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fed another bowl of government mush They trot out ARO,
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the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, as if it's the
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01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:59.679
ultimate answer to UFOs. Please, that's just a bureaucratic bearded lady,
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all show no substance. They say they're investigating UAPs. What
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01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.000
they're really doing is burying the truth under red tape
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and acronyms. Then you've got David Grush, a decorated intel guy,
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testifying that we've got non human craft and alien biologics.
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Read that again. He didn't say maybe, he said we
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have them. And what does Congress do? Zip, not a
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zilch nothing, Turn the spotlight off and shuffle the act
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to intermission. The FBI missing an action, the Pentagon playing
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the world's longest poker bluff, the Disclosure Act chopped up
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like a sideshow sword trick gone. And let's not forget
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the private defense companies. Oh, they're in the tent, sitting
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01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:55.079
on crash debris, reverse engineering god knows what, while we're
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told nothing to see here lies obfuscation. Con that's the
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real act. The freak show isn't the aliens, it's the
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01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.559
cover up. At night Dreams talk radio, we see through
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01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:12.280
the fog machine. We know the elephant in the tent
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01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.559
isn't from earth, and we are not letting this go.
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01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:21.880
The curtains lifting, the freak show is real and guess
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01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:26.440
what they are running out of lies And that's the
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01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:30.639
way this reporter sees it. This has been an editorial
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comment on the Night Dreams Talk radio network. The call
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lines are now open to ask questions to Gary's guest
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dial one two five three two six zero five seven
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one three again, that's one two five to three two
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six zero five seven one three coming to you worldwide.
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This is Forbidden Realms and he Gary, and here I
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am and JC. I need a new golf club. Anyway,
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01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:26.039
we got a color, Gary, So let's take the color
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and let's see what they have. Ye question to ask you,
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who do we have out there?
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Color? Are you still there? No, they're not. Okay, so
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01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:41.679
we're back and well here's see. Let's see. Let's try
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01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:48.119
again here and okay, okay, color? Are you there?
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Not there?
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01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:58.599
Okay, So let's get into it again when you interview
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these people.
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I was taught a method of interviewing for witnesses called
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the enhanced cognitive model in the mid nineteen nineties, and
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01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:21.719
the idea is to set up the witness, so to
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01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:25.159
give them the best opportunity to recall events. It's not
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01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:30.320
a hypnosis at all, but in essence, it taught. It
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01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:35.039
taught me a lot of tricks of the trade, as
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01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:37.559
it were, in terms of interview. And one of the
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things that's really important in this model is when somebody
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01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.599
is a witness to something really profound, whether it's a rape,
1041
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:52.039
murder or whatever, it's burned into their soul. This is
1042
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.079
this is if you're involved in a car crash and
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01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:56.920
you lose one of your members of the family, you
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01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.320
are never going to forget that because it's burnt into you,
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01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.880
into your now. It's the same principle, and the idea
1046
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:07.599
is that if you set the witness up right, then
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01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:11.920
you what's called try to retrieve fresh snow. And fresh
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01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:16.679
snow is when they remember something they didn't remember before
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01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:20.679
you'd done that interview. Yeah, because our memory is a
1050
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:24.639
bit like a video camera. It records things all the time.
1051
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:28.400
So if we're watching the TV or whatever, it's actually
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01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.360
absorbing a bit like a video or a camera, lots
1053
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.840
and lots of information, but we just can't recall it.
1054
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:38.440
We're not that kind of specie. However, under certain circumstances.
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01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:41.800
If you set up the person the right way, you
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01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:48.360
can get them to retrieve registration numbers, new details of
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01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.760
new witnesses who they didn't realize at the time in
1058
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:56.519
their memories it were. But when somebody skillfully takes them
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01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.119
through and sets them up in the right way, they're
1060
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:04.559
able to cross to the point where they can elicit
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01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.960
new information that was there all the time, but you've
1062
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.719
just used a memory trigger that's made them. For example,
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01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:16.679
they'll go and you can see them absolutely constantly say
1064
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:22.199
there was somebody by the side of the car, and
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01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:24.159
you can see in their eyes closed or they're really
1066
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:26.960
focusing looking at the ceiling, looking at the feet, but
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01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.840
you can tell that they're in the moment, and they
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01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:33.280
will go, there's a guy there, and you the interview
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01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:36.480
can then say, well, describe the person that you see
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an open question. Just describe that person not giving her sex,
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01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:44.920
and they start with the top and then work down,
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Well it's a woman. It's a woman. I see a woman,
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and they've never remembered this before, but this is what
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01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:56.079
you can get. So that's one example, one of the
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01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:59.480
key examples that I tried to do with some of
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the real interviews of Rentalstrom witnesses and with a couple
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of guys in particular, Sergeant Adrian and bastinza Is would
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I was doing this approach over transatlantic phone call, so
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thousands of miles worth. Now, the enanced cognitive model was
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01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:22.840
designed to be done within seventy two hours of an
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incident happening, not forty odd years later. But elements of it.
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01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.840
I still thought, I'm going to try because I believe
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that these incidents, these U were four related instances, would
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01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:36.960
be so ingrained into their memories that you might just
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01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:41.239
be able to trigger new memories. And indeed, to a degree,
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even though it was forty years plus on from the incident,
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they were able to retrieve information that they'd forgotten about
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01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:54.519
or they just couldn't remember through normal memory. Now that
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01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.840
again I reiterate, this is not hypnosis. You can't retire
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01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:01.320
somebody over two thousand miles worth. I think it's ridiculous,
1091
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.519
but you're setting them up. But one of the things
1092
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:08.440
that's really important when you're interviewing, and this is a
1093
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:13.880
general rule of interviewing, is that you go for what's
1094
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:19.039
called the first account, and the first account is probably
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01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:25.279
your best chance ever of getting fresh information. Yeah, and
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01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:30.680
that's because what do we do humans? We interact? You speak,
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01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:33.560
I speak, We interact with each other. That's what humans do.
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01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:38.720
But when we come to interviewing, we're actually saying, for example,
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01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.439
this is what I would do to somebody. I would say, right,
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once I've set them up in the right way, I've
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01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.800
explained the procedure, what we're doing, what I'm trying to
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01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:50.520
get in terms of setting them up, And they say, look,
1103
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:55.000
when you are happy, you begin wherever you want to begin,
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01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.000
and tell me your story. But I'm not going to
1105
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:02.920
interrupt you at all. And so they then go. They
1106
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:06.079
then start telling the story. Now, what do humans normally do?
1107
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:10.479
What the police officers normally do. I went to a
1108
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:15.840
restaurant with chippin we go, which restaurant, who you're with,
1109
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:21.560
and it totally destroys the concentration level. So learning to
1110
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.800
not interrupt is a skill in itself. And like when
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01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.640
I interviewed Sergeant Adrian Burstiner about is rentals from Experience,
1112
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I didn't speak for two hours and all I did
1113
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.640
was let him go off, got him into the right position,
1114
01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:42.119
as it were, to where he really wanted to concentrate.
1115
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.079
He really wanted to get this off his chest, so
1116
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.880
he just did it in whatever came out his order,
1117
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:52.520
not my order, and he came out and for two hours,
1118
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:56.279
all I'm doing is uh huh uh huh. And it's
1119
01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:01.239
called goggling. Okay. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're letting them
1120
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:04.239
going on and they've got the goggling aspect of going
1121
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:08.239
huh okay. Is handing it back to them. So they
1122
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.159
say something, they kind of hand it to you. You
1123
01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:13.800
just hand it straight back to them. And then they're
1124
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:16.520
straight in the mode and they do it. And that
1125
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:24.119
first account is absolutely critical for them to retrieve fresh
1126
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:27.720
now because they're in the zone. They're concentrating, they're looking
1127
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.199
at the wall, they're closing their eyes, they're looking at
1128
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:33.039
the feet, they're looking at the ceiling, whatever works for them.
1129
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:35.800
But once they're in that zone, you don't.
1130
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:40.720
Interrupt now to do like you just how about when
1131
01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:45.079
you're asking those questions and they close their eyes, is
1132
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:48.479
that because they're trying to come up with some deception or.
1133
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:52.079
No, no, you can tell. But again part of the
1134
01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:55.479
setup is whatever method you want, whether you want to
1135
01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:59.560
close your eyes, whether you want to do whatever, you
1136
01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:02.600
just can't. But what I would always say to them
1137
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:05.720
is do not look at me. Well, in the Transatlantic calls,
1138
01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:08.000
that's impossible because it's fun line, but it just shows
1139
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:10.399
you that the method works that once you set up,
1140
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.720
they then are concentrating. I want you to concentrate. And
1141
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.560
basically you've set it up what you want. I want
1142
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.800
you to do it in whatever order you want, not
1143
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.880
my order. It's your interview. And then at the right
1144
01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:24.960
time you hand it over to them and say off
1145
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.840
you go. And that's the point where you then shut up.
1146
01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:32.279
And it's extremely difficult for most people, including police officers
1147
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:35.720
who have not had training to do because we're naturally inquisitive,
1148
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.880
we naturally want to clarify. But that first account as
1149
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.279
long as it lasts, it might only last thirty seconds,
1150
01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.760
it might last ten minutes. But you don't say anything.
1151
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:49.239
You just okay, okay, because you want them to keep concentrating.
1152
01:11:49.520 --> 01:11:52.680
As soon as you start asking a question, their concentration
1153
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:56.000
goes straight now and breaks that train of thought and
1154
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:58.000
you're trying to retrieve fresh.
1155
01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:02.760
Now very okay, Gary, we got a collar? Who do
1156
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.119
we have? Hey?
1157
01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:06.560
Gary's this is ac here?
1158
01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:07.560
Just uh.
1159
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:14.119
Commuting and to try to ask a question. Okay, yeah, yeah,
1160
01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:16.720
so yeah, I have the question I got to is
1161
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:20.800
is that the shifts that are out there, like we
1162
01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:23.880
have the wall shape shift, we have a cigar shape
1163
01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:27.720
and so on and so on. These are these advanced
1164
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:31.279
that's one a dance that's higher than the other. Or
1165
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:37.079
do we peop the alien uh makeup of who's driving
1166
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:39.399
it or you know, who's who's flying it? And uh,
1167
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:42.039
you know that's my my just kind of eerie to
1168
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:44.800
see that something looks like a walnut could do things
1169
01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:48.880
that looks weird kind of is that you know? Is
1170
01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:50.920
that is there something alive in it? Or is there
1171
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:56.920
are these ships uh alive themselves and have sym and
1172
01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:00.239
some well I would like to know because when I
1173
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:03.439
see these things orders and all that, you know, are
1174
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:10.359
they from somewhere by somebody cameras or something watching us?
1175
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:13.039
And I'll take that off here.
1176
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:16.520
Okay, okay, thanks Ardi. By the way, your cell phone
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01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.800
or whatever phone are you using? This breaking up? Okay, Gary,
1178
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:21.800
you have an answer for our color.
1179
01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:26.159
Well, you're talking about hypotheticals in the sense of in
1180
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:29.319
the public domain. I've never seen spacecraft, I've never been
1181
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:32.199
in a spacecraft. I've never met an alien. I've never
1182
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:36.880
had a like contact experience, but do I believe based
1183
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:42.600
on the evidence of the best evidence of police officers, astronauts, cosmonauts,
1184
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:47.720
air traffic controllers, military people, scientists and whatever who have
1185
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.800
had experiences, then there is something clearly visiting us. Now
1186
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:55.439
we use this now collect term UAP. It's a catch all.
1187
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:59.279
I personally think the vast majority are still likely to
1188
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:03.640
be extrast based on the contact phenomenon. What experience describes
1189
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:07.920
certain species that regularly occur, same scenarios all over the world.
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01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:13.439
But I suspect that some of these may be kind
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01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:19.119
of robotic or AI as it were, or alien AI.
1192
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:23.560
That would explain why they could maybe cover long distances
1193
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.000
of what if the making long journeys. But I suspect
1194
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:29.520
that they're able to have propulsion systems that we can
1195
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.439
even figure because a million years ahead of us, you know,
1196
01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:34.000
they can do it maybe in the blink of a night.
1197
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:36.359
It sounds ridiculous, but if you're a million years ahead,
1198
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:39.840
it might not be so crazy. The reality is that
1199
01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:44.399
something is visitings. I suspect that we do have bases underwater.
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01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.800
I've said that for a long time, because UFOs are
1201
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:49.800
seen coming in and out of large bodies of water
1202
01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:52.920
all over the world. There are so many good us showcases,
1203
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:55.000
and it's starting to get a bit more traction now.
1204
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.640
Rich Dowland's first book is Are really good, and there's
1205
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:00.880
you know, being one of two books in the past.
1206
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.479
He's got a second volume coming out, so we're starting
1207
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:05.920
to get some traction, and I think we'll talk a
1208
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:09.319
lot more about USOS in twenty twenty six. But the
1209
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:13.439
general question is something's alive in them. Whether it's alive
1210
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:18.520
in the sense of a robotic or AI generated creature, whatever,
1211
01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:21.880
who knows, but there's something visisting us. So I do
1212
01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.880
believe that we are being visited. So I hope that
1213
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:26.439
answers your questions best they can.
1214
01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.399
Well, you know, again, not just in the ocean. You've
1215
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:35.239
got Antarctica. Linda Mortonowe is coming out because you know,
1216
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:38.840
she's getting older, she wants to retire from what she's doing,
1217
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:42.399
and she's been coming out lately with a whole bunch
1218
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:46.800
of stuff, and again she's saying that you know, something
1219
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:52.079
is really strange and they found some very interesting things
1220
01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:52.520
deep in.
1221
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:57.039
Linda's been coming out with this stuff for a few
1222
01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:00.600
years now. But more is coming out. I don't know.
1223
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.239
I've not really researched it, so I wouldn't really like
1224
01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:06.039
to say. What I would say is that if we
1225
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:10.479
go back to Admiral Bird and when he led a
1226
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:13.720
convoy down there, and I think in fifty seven or
1227
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.960
something like that, apparently after ships were lost and we
1228
01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:20.159
lost a lot of men, and it's still HI jumped.
1229
01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:24.119
I think the Operation Hydrant is still classified. Now why
1230
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:27.399
is it classified if you know all those years later?
1231
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:30.239
It's ridiculous. So there is something that's been covered up,
1232
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:33.760
I think in Antarctic region, And it would make sense
1233
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.760
that if you were going to have an alien base,
1234
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.960
you put it to one of the most remote areas,
1235
01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.640
the Arctic and the Antarctics. So there may well be
1236
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.319
alien bases there, but I personally don't know too much
1237
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:45.800
about it.
1238
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:49.000
Oh yeah, we never know. You might go swimming in
1239
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.720
a lake and find a UFO in it. I mean, yeah.
1240
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:55.039
I remember a guy years ago, an author, he's no
1241
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:59.880
longer with this. He wrote a book Aurora about you
1242
01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:05.600
that crashed around the late nineteen hundreds and they buried
1243
01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.960
an alien. We got another call. I think, who do
1244
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:10.760
we have HI there?
1245
01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:11.640
My name's Chris.
1246
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:13.239
Hi, Chris, how are you doing tonight?
1247
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:13.800
Hi?
1248
01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:16.680
Chris, I'm actually a friend of Arts. He's the one
1249
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:18.520
that he told me to call into the show. So
1250
01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.319
that's the first time listener. But I was going to
1251
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:23.920
ask about the water basses, and as soon as you
1252
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.960
said that, I just have to have to reach out
1253
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:30.520
now because I've seem like the videos that were declassified.
1254
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.479
I think there was the tic TAC video that came
1255
01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:36.119
out when I think it's the twenty twenty released. So
1256
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.520
is there are we think it's just like, I'm sorry
1257
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:40.680
if I keep cutting you off. Is it Do you
1258
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:42.760
think it's just one mother base or are we assuming
1259
01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.079
it's multiple in different.
1260
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:50.039
I personally think that there are multiple species and probably
1261
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:52.199
some are good and some are bad. That's the reality,
1262
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:57.279
we don't. The contact phenomena frightens a lot of people
1263
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.159
because that's the hard edges it were. It's really it's
1264
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:03.319
in your face. People are more open to talking about
1265
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:05.840
craft and yes we have craft and blah blah blah,
1266
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:07.920
but the next step will be to really go down
1267
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:11.279
the contact line. But it real. I do believe the
1268
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:13.680
contact phenomen is real. Yes, there will be a small
1269
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:18.319
percentage the haaxes. But the vast majority of people that
1270
01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:22.239
I've met and researchers that I've met who were experiences themselves,
1271
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:26.279
they're sincere peopil So it's real. And like I said earlier,
1272
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.000
with the Amazon and things like that, third world they
1273
01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.319
couldn't even have access, but they broadly described the same events.
1274
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:36.760
So I think there's multiple species come in here. Multiple
1275
01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:40.199
interdimensional species may be coming here, blah blah blah, but
1276
01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:43.880
there's multiple difference and probably different agendas to each of them,
1277
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:45.520
probably much like us.
1278
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:48.920
Some good sumber Now, Chris, I want to say something too.
1279
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.479
One of our regular guests we have on every few months,
1280
01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:57.840
Mark Andtonio, and he was in because he does stuff
1281
01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:00.960
for the Navy and stuff like that. He was in
1282
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:04.560
a submarine and all of a sudden he heard the
1283
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:09.880
executive officer and whoever they were talking about a fast mover,
1284
01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:13.920
and the guy running the sonar asked the well, do
1285
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:15.640
you want me to log it? And he said no,
1286
01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:19.000
But Mark said, this thing was traveling like over one
1287
01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:21.319
hundred miles an hour underwater.
1288
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:24.800
Yeah. I think there are cases where the two or
1289
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.239
three hundred miles an hour of being clocked by ships
1290
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:31.479
by submarines. I think it's a whole new area of
1291
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:35.399
research that I think will come to the fall much
1292
01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:36.520
more in twenty twenty six.
1293
01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:38.319
Chris, any other question.
1294
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.399
So, I was reading something about it was a leak
1295
01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:44.199
that you have to can't take it for granted because
1296
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:46.439
it was unfortune. It was someone who was claiming that
1297
01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:51.079
they had not long to live, so they're just trying
1298
01:19:51.079 --> 01:19:53.600
to get everything off their chest. And one thing that
1299
01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:56.399
they were saying was in regards to these mother ships,
1300
01:19:56.479 --> 01:20:00.600
that they were hostile towards US neighbor just any type
1301
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:04.279
of military forces that came towards it. However, if there
1302
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:07.760
was a passenger ship or something that was essentially not
1303
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:11.800
affiliated with the military, you would let it pass. Do
1304
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:13.359
you have any thoughts on that or do you think
1305
01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:14.359
there's any validity to it?
1306
01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:18.760
Personally, I don't really have any thoughts on that. I mean,
1307
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:26.560
there are literally hundreds of very good naval sightings reports
1308
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:33.479
that have gone over decades involving commercial ships and military ships.
1309
01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:36.439
With what I would say is that there definitely seems
1310
01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:40.720
to be a correlation between nuclear weapons, nuclear power plants,
1311
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:44.880
anything nuclear, and an interest with the UFOs stroke UAP,
1312
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:50.399
and that's the broad consensus of people researches is that
1313
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:54.560
they seem to be concerned that we may destroy this
1314
01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:58.199
beautiful planet. Now, you know, I'm often last as the
1315
01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:02.720
lets is why they come here, and it's again hypothetical answer,
1316
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:05.079
but I'll say, well, from my point of view, I'd
1317
01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:07.840
probably think that in this bit of the cosmic neighborhood,
1318
01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:13.760
the Earth, with its huge diverse nature of water, life
1319
01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:16.960
and fauna, is probably like an oasis in the desert.
1320
01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:21.159
So if you were around, you'd want to naturally come
1321
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:23.119
here a bit like we would go to the Great
1322
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:27.439
Barrier Reef the Galapacus Islands. They would come here to
1323
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:30.199
observe as in our natural habitat, like we would do
1324
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:32.760
if we could do it back. And so I think
1325
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:35.239
that's a lot of it. That's what's going on, is
1326
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:38.399
they're interested, and they're attracted to the fact that it's
1327
01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:42.079
a water based planet with such diverse life and fauna
1328
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:44.439
very interesting. You know.
1329
01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:47.880
Anither thing too that I was talking to a scientist
1330
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:51.199
here back a few months ago about these underwater craft
1331
01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:54.640
and stuff, and you know what he was saying is
1332
01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:59.239
that too, they could create a bubble around the craft
1333
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:01.840
and then they could try I have bought really high
1334
01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:05.800
speeds that we could not even accomplish, So that could
1335
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:09.560
be why they're you know, and what better place, honestly, Garry,
1336
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:13.560
if you want to have a base on Earth, the
1337
01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:14.920
deepest part of the ocean.
1338
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:19.239
Well, the most talent thing, and again I've been saying
1339
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.159
this for about five or ten years at lectures, is
1340
01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:25.560
we know more about the surfaces of the Moon and
1341
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.560
Mars in terms of mapping that we do our ocean.
1342
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:30.960
I think our ocean is still only about ten to
1343
01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:35.319
fifteen percent that's been mapped. That's ridiculous. So that means
1344
01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:39.039
that if you go down to the deepest trenches, you know,
1345
01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:41.680
we've been there for a second in terms of a year,
1346
01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.359
one second in terms of time that we spent down there,
1347
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:47.840
So we'd really know nothing, and it would make a
1348
01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:53.720
logical place for alien bases to be, or inter dimensional bases,
1349
01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:56.880
whatever you want to describe it. But it makes perfect
1350
01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:00.119
sense to hide it in our deepest ocean trenches. You
1351
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:02.439
can live down there, and that we just can't get
1352
01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.479
down there because of the debts. Now, I suspect that
1353
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:08.039
that is probably really what's going on, and I think
1354
01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:11.960
that going to my first passion in life was Hollywood
1355
01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:16.039
and films are brought up on film buff The Abyss
1356
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:20.520
classic Hollywood film is probably not far from it that
1357
01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:24.279
the premise of an underwater bas alien base that then
1358
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:29.520
saved some you know people, some humans is probably not
1359
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:32.119
far off that we do have in our deepist ocean
1360
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:34.680
trenches basis. And I think this goes back to the
1361
01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:38.800
link to the nuclear weapons and anything nuclear, because if
1362
01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:42.880
we go into an all out you know, mutual destruction,
1363
01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:48.600
mad mutual destruction, then we would render this planet unin
1364
01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:52.039
habitable for perhaps thousands of years, if not hundreds of
1365
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:55.039
thousand years, if it was a global war. Now, if
1366
01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:59.359
we go to that scenario, unfortunately, the oceans would get
1367
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:04.159
contaminated too through all the followout. So that's way why
1368
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:07.199
they might not like nuclear weapons, because it's a beautiful planet.
1369
01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:09.760
They've got bases here. They don't want to see us
1370
01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:13.479
destroy this beautiful planet and their own bases that would
1371
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.039
die in the process of us go into a nuclear war.
1372
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:18.680
So I think that's one of the reasons why they're
1373
01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:19.800
interested in nuclear.
1374
01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.079
Well, here's another question I have for you too. If
1375
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:26.439
you think about the pyramids, the Great Thinks and pyramids
1376
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.560
all around the world from the UK to the Amazon
1377
01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:34.800
to Brazil, you know, everywhere. And you know they didn't
1378
01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:36.880
like Again we talked at the beginning's show, they didn't
1379
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:41.600
have newspapers, they didn't have internet, they didn't have communications,
1380
01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:44.760
you know, to talk to humans all over the world
1381
01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:49.880
back then. How could they have all decided to build pyramids.
1382
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.399
Yeah, it's it's crazy. And a lot of the design
1383
01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:58.199
of pyramids and structures that you find in India very
1384
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:02.840
similar designs, so that South America, et cetera. I'm very
1385
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:06.680
interested in the ancient alien aspect because it's you know,
1386
01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:10.319
when you look at the cave art and petroglyphs, you know,
1387
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:14.000
on rock faces all around the world, in some credible
1388
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.760
you know wherein appeared to be wearing some kind of
1389
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:21.720
space suit or whatever. There are in some credible glyphs
1390
01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:26.880
all over the world. I look at it that it
1391
01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:31.600
wouldn't surprise me if humans had been seeded from maybe Mars.
1392
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:33.960
We know that Mars in the past is a much
1393
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:36.560
older planet. We know that it had oceans, we know
1394
01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:40.119
it had an atmosphere, and then something catastrophic happened. Now,
1395
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:43.520
if you knew that your planet was dying, if the
1396
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.000
Earth was dying. What would we try to do now
1397
01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:49.119
with our current level of technology, We'd try to build
1398
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:52.119
ships at a much faster rate before we were all
1399
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:55.680
killed through whatever cataclysm, and we'd send them to Mars
1400
01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:58.920
to try to finally colonize, and we'd tried to save
1401
01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:02.039
the species we do that. Well, what happens if something
1402
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:06.479
catastrophic happened to Mars and there was time enough to
1403
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:09.880
get to save some of the Martian race, If they'd
1404
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:15.119
achieved that kind of sentient life form and they could travel, Well,
1405
01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:16.680
where they're going to go. They're gonna look at the
1406
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:19.600
Earth and go, that's a perfect place. Let's see ourselves
1407
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:23.119
and start there. Now. Isn't it amazing that if we
1408
01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:26.640
look at historical stories, you know, I follow Graham Hancock,
1409
01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:31.000
and he's done some great research on ancient civilizations. If
1410
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.600
you go on his premise that like thirteen thousand years ago,
1411
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:36.920
the Younger Dryers, twelve or twelve and a half thousand
1412
01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:39.399
years ago, the Younger Dryers, that the Pyramids was probably
1413
01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:44.000
still there then and they've just been inherited whatever. There's
1414
01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:47.279
probably lots of technology that's been lost under a mile
1415
01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:51.000
of ice because of an ice age and nothing would survive.
1416
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.439
But there are one or two structures. I've been too,
1417
01:26:54.600 --> 01:27:00.359
like Saxy Wayman in Peru and Cusco, and I've seen
1418
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.439
huge one hundred ton blocks put together like butter molded
1419
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:09.880
together in polygonal formations. Now you cannot go there and
1420
01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:12.760
say that that's inking. It's pre it's a pre inc
1421
01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:16.479
and civilization, and you can see the difference. So clearly,
1422
01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:20.600
so there is lost technology. It might be lost human technology,
1423
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:24.720
but I suspect that over the years UFOs whatever you
1424
01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:28.800
want to call them, UAP flying sources, they've been coming
1425
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:31.000
here for thousands of years, and I think that is
1426
01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:36.000
much more widely held belief, and so there's still that
1427
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:42.840
many mysteries. I've been to Pu Punku in Bolivia and
1428
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.359
you go to the h blocks there. It's incredible precision
1429
01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:48.520
and you put your compass next to it and it
1430
01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:53.239
goes hey wire, ninety degree precision. These blocks have never
1431
01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:56.560
been seen anywhere else in the world. It's just incredible.
1432
01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:00.199
So there's clearly a kind of lost technology. At the
1433
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:04.560
stories of talk about a great flood, well, I don't
1434
01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:06.720
think it's the biblical flood of a couple of thousand
1435
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:10.159
years ago. I think there is some cataclysm that's happened,
1436
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:14.159
probably the Younger Drives, that wiped out a major civil
1437
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:20.399
part of civilization. We talk about on all continents, people
1438
01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:23.640
arriving in boats or from the air in the stories,
1439
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:28.680
and they teach people about agriculture, about astronomy, and there's
1440
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:34.239
so many commonalities that it strikes me that a handful
1441
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:37.960
of survivors came from somewhere, whether it be an Atlantian
1442
01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:41.359
type of civilization that was there before the Younger Dreys
1443
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:43.880
gets all wiped out, but a few survive and they
1444
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.600
come and give the knowledge back to people all around
1445
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:48.520
the world, and that's how we start to get this
1446
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:55.960
knowledge of astronomy, agriculture, etc. It's amazing. There is a
1447
01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:00.119
whole list of lost technology kind of things that just
1448
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:03.119
don't add up. And this recent thing about the Pyramids,
1449
01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:05.920
I'm still waiting for the real proof, but a lot
1450
01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:08.600
of proof seems to be saying that there are underground
1451
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:12.239
structures beneath each of the three pyramids, the Gaza. I'm
1452
01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:15.479
looking at that hoping that that transpires to be true.
1453
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:21.560
But again we then go into politics where people don't
1454
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:28.600
want the accepted Egyptian story to change. But he's gary research.
1455
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.840
But here's the thing the governments don't want it out too,
1456
01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:35.319
because if you really think about this, really seriously think
1457
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:39.600
about it, the technology to build the Pyramids and the
1458
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:43.199
Great Thinx is way older than any of the pyramids,
1459
01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:47.000
and they found things under that too, with ground penetrating
1460
01:29:47.119 --> 01:29:54.760
radar and technology so far advance that maybe we had
1461
01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:59.680
a race of aliens that came down something like you mentioned,
1462
01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:05.119
happened bad and basically wipe them virtually all out, and
1463
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:09.680
then they receded our planet again and they needed workers
1464
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:14.399
and they needed you know, and they fine tuned what
1465
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:21.119
we are today. Maybe maybe we are the Martians.
1466
01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:23.760
To me, it makes perfect sense that if the Earth
1467
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:28.279
was under that's kind of death sentences were, It's only
1468
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:30.359
what we would do. So why, you know, why is
1469
01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:34.399
it so ludicrous to think that that Mars, which had
1470
01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:37.640
an ocean, which had oceans, so that presumably would have
1471
01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:40.720
had developed some kind of life. If it's an older planets,
1472
01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:43.039
it could have developed way ahead of us in terms
1473
01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:47.800
of sentient life developed and technology that if something cataclysmic
1474
01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:50.680
happened and the planet was dying and they needed to
1475
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:53.600
save some of the species, then they would look for
1476
01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:56.079
the nearest habital planet and that would be the Earth.
1477
01:30:57.159 --> 01:31:00.279
So it makes perfect sense. It sounds science fic, but
1478
01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:02.920
if you look at it from a reverse point of view,
1479
01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:04.199
it's only what we would do.
1480
01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:09.119
Well. I ensure you heard of Mitio Kaku. Yeah, yeah, okay,
1481
01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:11.399
he's been on the show and we were talking when
1482
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:14.600
he was on about the fifth dimension. They were very
1483
01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:18.239
close to you know. In fact, they actually did this
1484
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:23.079
from micro microsecond open up the fifth dimension for a
1485
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:24.800
second was in the journal.
1486
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:29.279
The God Particle and the Large Children Collider. I think
1487
01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:33.079
in that collision in the Large Heldron Collider in Switzerland.
1488
01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:38.680
I think so in that inftestumal minute part of a
1489
01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:40.920
second that it created the fifth and dimension.
1490
01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:47.439
Yeah, and in it that happens eventually according to Mitya Kaku,
1491
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:51.680
you know, parallel universes would exist. You could travel from
1492
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.560
here to there almost instantaneously. You know, remember the TV
1493
01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:57.840
show I don't know if it was popular in the
1494
01:31:57.920 --> 01:31:59.520
UK Stargate.
1495
01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:02.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's right, it was popular in the UK.
1496
01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:06.000
Maybe something like that did exist.
1497
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:09.640
Who knows, but I certainly I think that we're living
1498
01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:13.319
in age now where who could have predicted the look
1499
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:16.199
the way technology has just changed in the last twenty years.
1500
01:32:16.439 --> 01:32:20.119
Look at where mobile phone, smart technology, smart TV, all
1501
01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:22.760
that kind of thing. Your mobile phone now is you
1502
01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:27.960
walk in office, you know your communication device. It's really
1503
01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:31.600
is incredible how far we've moved on just within twenty
1504
01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:33.560
thirty years. So where we're going to be in another
1505
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.119
thirty years as things speed up now with the introduction
1506
01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:41.000
of AI. It's kind of frightening at the pace of change.
1507
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:45.359
It really has now. Also, how can they find your
1508
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:46.600
fantastic book?
1509
01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:50.359
My book is only available on Amazon because I say
1510
01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:52.079
it was so published. So all you have to do
1511
01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:55.239
is I think I've given you the link to put
1512
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.039
it out with the show. But yeah, just go on
1513
01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:01.119
Anamazon in whichever country you're listening in. And I have
1514
01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:05.079
lots of readers from the US, and obviously I have
1515
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:08.079
lots of readers for UFO Truth Magazine, which is what
1516
01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:10.920
I retired in twenty thirteen to create, which is no
1517
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:15.119
online easy it's bi monthly, ninety six pages. It's entirely
1518
01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:18.319
you were four related. I basically troll the web. I
1519
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:20.840
have a set of columnists from all around the world.
1520
01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:23.159
I know a lot of top researches. They write for
1521
01:33:23.199 --> 01:33:26.600
the magazine, so look it up. Ufour Truth Magazine and
1522
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.399
non Human. This is the book. It's the only book
1523
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.720
that I've written so far. It's took me three years
1524
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:36.920
to write it, five years Reinvestigator RENDERSTRM. It's called non
1525
01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:40.800
Human the Renders from Forest Ufour Incidents because I outlined
1526
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:44.680
seventeen different incidents ure four related in the conclusions of
1527
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:48.119
the book, and forty two years of denial because the
1528
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.920
British covered it up, the Americans covered it up, and
1529
01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:53.800
there is still a stigma around it. But bits and
1530
01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:56.239
more and more is coming out. So I would say
1531
01:33:56.279 --> 01:33:59.800
that that's more information than you've ever gleaned about rentalry
1532
01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:01.760
than any book released.
1533
01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:03.560
So and your website.
1534
01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:09.239
I have several websites. The police website is police Report
1535
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:15.079
in UFOs database dot co dot UK. I have a
1536
01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:17.680
new one that I launched last year about for pilots.
1537
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:20.319
I'm trying to get pilots to report stuff in the
1538
01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:24.359
UK in the same way Americans for Safe Aerospace with
1539
01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:26.760
Ryan Grays as doing in America, doing great work, but
1540
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:32.079
in the UK it's very much backwards. But that's pilots
1541
01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:37.239
reporting UAP dot co dot UK. The magazine is UFO
1542
01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:41.520
Truth Magazine dot co dot uk and the book you'll
1543
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:43.640
just find it in Amazon on any country and you
1544
01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:48.199
just order online. I think it ships within forty eight hours.
1545
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:50.439
Now to the listeners out there, if you go to
1546
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.159
our website, we have two of them, Forbidden Realms dot
1547
01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:55.680
com and night Dreams talk Radio dot com. If you
1548
01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:59.319
go on to it, there is a picture of his book.
1549
01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:01.920
You can click it. It takes you right too Amazon to
1550
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:05.279
order it. I really recommended to make a good read,
1551
01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:08.119
so you need to check that out. And you know
1552
01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:12.840
five Yeah, that's not like a one night read. And
1553
01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:15.600
here's one last question. I get frustrated when I get
1554
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:17.680
a guest on it writes a book on UFO it's
1555
01:35:17.720 --> 01:35:20.720
okay or a case. And I asked them, how long
1556
01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:22.159
did it take you to write it?
1557
01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:23.039
Oh?
1558
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:25.760
It took me four weeks?
1559
01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:28.079
Three years for me, Yeah, Well.
1560
01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:30.079
You know, you do a lot of research and that's
1561
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:33.279
what makes the book good. How much research could you
1562
01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:35.039
do in a couple of weeks.
1563
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:38.079
Well that's the whole point, you know, if I was
1564
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:41.600
going to get involved, I did five years of re
1565
01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:45.640
research and then realized that I had so much material
1566
01:35:46.840 --> 01:35:49.159
that I should write a book. I never intended to
1567
01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:52.960
write a book, but I had so much well cut classes,
1568
01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:59.199
new old new reinterviews, new transcripts of interviews, new witnesses
1569
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:02.439
the public had never heard about, or virtually nobody had
1570
01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:05.039
ever heard about. And I wanted the public to know
1571
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:08.760
the rendals from Case, because I've been on so many
1572
01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:11.000
American radio shows and they think that I know the
1573
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:13.479
rentals from show, that the renels from Case, and they
1574
01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:17.520
don't because they've been duped by a narrative that's been
1575
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.199
controlled for about twenty five years by three people, well
1576
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:26.119
four people, Nick Pope, Turnal, Charles Holt, Jim Peniston, John Burros.
1577
01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:28.479
They've been in all the documentaries. They've really given nobody
1578
01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:31.119
else a look in, and that's wrong. They've controlled the narrative.
1579
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:35.159
And I want to get other military witnesses their voice,
1580
01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:37.359
and so I did it for them.
1581
01:36:37.119 --> 01:36:39.399
Great And again, I want to thank you so much
1582
01:36:39.439 --> 01:36:41.960
because what time is it in the UK right now?
1583
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:46.279
It is now four point thirty six. Thank you very much.
1584
01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:48.600
Well, it's time ago get a cup of tea or
1585
01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:52.520
taa is my mother My mother was Canadian, so I
1586
01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:54.800
grew up drinking tea instead of coffee.
1587
01:36:55.720 --> 01:36:57.520
I will have a cup of coffee and then go
1588
01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:00.319
to bed. And then I've got to be up early
1589
01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:02.880
because one of the foster children that I look after
1590
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:05.960
is playing football soccer as you would say, And so
1591
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:08.079
I'm gonna be out in a freezing cold watching Eplow
1592
01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:10.279
football in a few hours time.
1593
01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:13.960
Well, you won't fall asleep because it's cold. Well, Gary, again,
1594
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:15.960
I want to thank you so much for staying up
1595
01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:17.520
late to be on the show.
1596
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:20.079
My friend. You're welcome any time.
1597
01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:25.000
Okay, you take care of my friend, thank you. Okay, Well, JC,
1598
01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:27.800
who do we have next week on the show.
1599
01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:33.399
Next week we have mister Standeo coming on the show.
1600
01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:35.239
It's been a while since he's been on the show.
1601
01:37:35.239 --> 01:37:38.000
But he's gonna be talking about maybe some solar flares
1602
01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:40.680
and what's going on, what could happen, and some other
1603
01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:44.439
stuff connection with some your bo's maybe.
1604
01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:46.279
And then the week after.
1605
01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:50.920
The sixteenth, we're gonna have Kate Golden on. Now. She
1606
01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:53.840
is an abductee and she doesn't think they're warm and
1607
01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:56.199
fuzzy at all, not at all.
1608
01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:00.760
And they don't give off forbes, not the good, not
1609
01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:05.079
for her. Very interesting, you know. Again, I want to
1610
01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:09.079
thank everybody who listened to the show were really good.
1611
01:38:09.199 --> 01:38:11.960
We're now on the verge here. Probably in the next
1612
01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:15.920
couple months of hitting five hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube,
1613
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:20.399
we're well over, well over four hundred thousand. And again
1614
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:28.520
you know worldwide, places like well, Poland, Brazil, Vietnam, Germany,
1615
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:34.600
the UK, and Canada, Mexico, I mean, Puerto Rico. All
1616
01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:37.359
these people are tuning into the show naturally now while
1617
01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:40.199
it's live. Because it's like when you watch TV, right
1618
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:43.199
jac you go sit there and you get in that
1619
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:46.399
easy chair, you get yourself something nice, cold or hot
1620
01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:49.079
to drink this summer here, and you sit there and
1621
01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:52.159
watch this stuff. And that's what happens with this show.
1622
01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:56.760
Yeah, it's nice because you can watch it any time
1623
01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:59.000
after it's over. It's not like back in the seventies.
1624
01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:00.800
If you didn't watch it when it was on a
1625
01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:03.399
certain day in time, you missed it until the rerun
1626
01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:03.960
come around.
1627
01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:06.960
Yeah, well to next week. Everybody, have a good one.
1628
01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:10.479
I want to say thank you to Barb to Art
1629
01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:16.039
to December, Johnny Wallace, and you got a couple other
1630
01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:17.560
you can say thank you too.
1631
01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:25.800
Yeah, lead leet Leisure, thank you for them for coming on.
1632
01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:28.439
And John Wallace I don't know if you mentioned him
1633
01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:30.800
or not, but he was one I did in the
1634
01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:33.159
chat here, and there was a few other noon was
1635
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:34.760
what was another one that was on there?
1636
01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:35.039
A kid?
1637
01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:38.119
Think were they were earlier in the show, but oh,
1638
01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:40.520
I think I did cover them. But yeah, there was
1639
01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:42.920
a few new people on there in the chat, so
1640
01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:43.479
that was good.
1641
01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:46.920
Make sure you hit that bell when you subscribe to
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1643
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1645
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1649
01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:12.319
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1650
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:17.760
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You can listen to free, never have to join a club,
1652
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01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:26.800
Everybody have a good one, and let's make twenty twenty
1654
01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:30.520
six a fantastic year. One way or the other. Everybody
1655
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:33.640
have a good one. We'll catch you on the other side.
1656
01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:38.960
Or I his name on it.
1657
01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:41.600
Now do you do you know the author?
1658
01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:43.039
I do you do?
1659
01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:46.920
And I always you estimate that that madam more gentleman.
1660
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All the person is a current or former US government
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