Hello, Is that Dolly Calling?

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Speaker 1: I said, Dolly Parton died. Jamel texts back right away.
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Speaker 2: I know you f * * * ing lying.
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Speaker 3: Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I was like, I mean, I had that, I just wanted to sit down. I just had to sit down somewhere for a minute and then other friends started texting me.
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Speaker 4: And gather.
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Speaker 2: And gather. Like, not Dolly. Not my girl, Dolly. No. Jesus, the wrong D. You took the wrong one, Father Dolly.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 2: No, not you, Dolly.
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Speaker 3: Carrie, I'm super impressed that you FaceTimed me while cooking.
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Speaker 1: No, I didn't see you actually cooking. I saw food you made. I showed you the dirty pie. What are you talking about? The dirty dishes.
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Speaker 2: You could have had anything in that pie. Oh, God.
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Speaker 1: What?
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Speaker 2: Signs of grease and sleeping. You know what?
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Speaker 3: Buffy said you're eating factor meals.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I called, I called Kendra and I was like, look what I made. She's like, that's factor. Like Kendra's my best friend. She said the same thing. No one believes.
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Speaker 2: No one believes you, Gary.
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Speaker 3: I need you to FaceTime me as you're seasoning the food, as you're putting it in the oven, you know, all of those things.
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Speaker 1: So you're never available. I tried to call you. You said I'm about to hop on a call.
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Speaker 3: I called you when it was happening. So that's when you were actually cooking.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: I was on another call.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I had this recipe that I wanted to try because I can air fry the hell out of a meal. And so I was air frying. I wasn't doing anything super special.
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Speaker 2: Ain't nothing wrong with air frying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have to do the special. It was a barbecue chicken thigh and spicy barbecue chicken thigh. And you had to put a certain amount of ingredients in. So it was like paprika. The onion powder, the garlic powder, the kosher salt, the black pepper, some red chili flakes.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's the spice? That's where you're getting the spice from?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and some chili powder. Okay. I don't even want to go and discuss all the things that made something special, and you're jealous.
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Speaker 2: I am not jealous. No, as usual.
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Speaker 3: I just don't think you have cooked... since Joe Biden was president.
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Speaker 2: Lies.
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Speaker 1: The early part of his presidency. Okay, so the young lady who was helping me decorate my house, I made her chicken wings. I make two or three really go-to meals. It's usually some form of chicken. You know what I mean? And chicken wings, I can make some bomb chicken wings, especially in America. You are very African-American because of course you can. So I was like, I showed Jamel my barbecue chicken thighs, spicy barbecue chicken thighs.
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Speaker 2: They look good. They look good.
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Speaker 1: And then I showed her my, I was going to make some spaghetti with it. And she's like, spaghetti is a meal in itself. And I'm like, don't worry about what we're doing over here. You know what I mean? You're so jealous.
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Speaker 3: I mean, chicken and spaghetti, I get it. Look, this is going to be a hill I die on.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And you're going to have to.
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Speaker 3: I'm tired of y'all treating spaghetti like a side dish.
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Speaker 2: It's not a side dish. It's a whole meal. Spaghetti is a side.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Spaghetti is not a side.
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Speaker 1: When I grew up, When I grew up, it was spaghetti and mac and cheese, spaghetti and fish.
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Speaker 3: But you had spaghetti. You had two pastas. You were just like double the pasta. Spaghetti and mac and cheese.
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Let me.
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Speaker 1: You got your nerve mayonnaise.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying. That wasn't real mayonnaise. That was aloe vera mayonnaise.
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Speaker 1: You got your nerve. You make all kind of weird meals. And I don't say nothing. You be in there talking about making some really good dirty spaghetti. And I'm like, sure.
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Speaker 3: Dirty spaghetti is a meal in itself. Dirty spaghetti don't need no help. What's the thing about spaghetti? It doesn't need any help.
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Speaker 4: It does.
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Speaker 1: It needs an enhancer. And in fact, it's a side dish. But that's why you put meat in it. I like the one with the cabbage. The dirty spaghetti with the cabbage. I think you should try that. I'll have that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the dirty cabbage with the ground. I think it was ground turkey or something.
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Speaker 1: I made ground turkey today. The reason why I started cooking.
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Speaker 2: Why are you cooking? What's happening? Is this a cry for help? Have you been kidnapped? Okay. They figured it out. Come and get me.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding. The reason why is because I had all of this food in the freezer. And I was like, I remember the other day, I was like, girl, when I was talking to you about, is the freezer burned? Use it by?
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Speaker 2: Use it for?
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Speaker 3: Carrie was unfamiliar with the freeze-by. Because it's confusing. The language is so crazy. You have to either eat it while it's unthawed or freeze it by that date and you're good.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: So it had been frozen by that date. And I was like, it's time to eat it because it's been freezing for so long. That was the whole question. It was like, how long can you actually freeze meat?
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Speaker 2: Remember?
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Speaker 1: That was the question.
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Speaker 2: That was the question.
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Speaker 1: Can you freeze it for a year and it be good?
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what everybody's grandma did. That's not, but I asked you. I didn't ask you about what.
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Speaker 1: Your grandma did.
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Speaker 2: Everybody's grandma had that deep freezer.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: Correct. Yes.
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Speaker 2: My grandmother had a deep freeze in the basement.
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Speaker 1: Mike said, that's the rumor.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, she probably, I mean, we were probably eating a hamburger meat. Cause you know, we don't call it ground beef. You call it hamburger meat. We was probably eating hamburger meat. That was at least eight years old, but you know what? It was tasty.
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Speaker 2: It got me through. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: OK, so listen, I had I've had this food in here for a minute and I'm like, oh, I bought this back. I bought it in June. Here we are, August. And I'm like, I better.
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Speaker 2: That's not bad. That's lightweight.
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Speaker 3: You ain't tell me June. You just I just wanted to see what it looked like. I said, now, if it's starting to get a little discolored, it's probably got freezer burn.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, hmm, one of them looks a little... You had another six months. Look at you, wasting food. Wasting food.
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Speaker 1: Well, so I cooked that. It tastes so good. I'm not even going to front. I mean, I didn't even know I could cook that good. And I made this barbecue sauce situation. I was really proud of the seasonings.
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Speaker 2: Well, you made your own barbecue sauce?
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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't make it. I had some barbecue sauce. You had some barbecue sauce. But I put the seasonings together according to the recipe. It tastes really good. So I have all this food and I'm not going to eat it. So then I call my neighbor. She lives upstairs, I said.
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Speaker 2: Rich, are you hungry?
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Speaker 1: I have plenty of food. And then I, I'm going to feed her and.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to feed you because you're, and it's protein.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you any.
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Speaker 2: I'm not. Okay. Okay. Spaghetti and mac and cheese. Okay. All right.
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Speaker 1: It's the spaghetti and chicken. Sorry.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Spaghetti and chicken. Excuse me. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What you cooking tonight? What kind of wife is you?
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Speaker 2: What you cooking tonight?
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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny that you brought, that you said you were doing chicken thighs because I'm actually doing chicken thighs tonight.
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Speaker 1: Oh, of course. Copycat.
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Speaker 2: Per usual.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how convenient. Now she's doing chicken thighs.
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Speaker 2: Oh, now.
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Speaker 3: Now, what?
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Speaker 2: Okay. So should we have a chicken thigh off? What kind of chicken thighs you having?
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Speaker 3: Because chicken thighs make good, like, I'll probably do some, uh, some, some tacos. So chicken thighs make for good tacos.
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Speaker 2: What? I... Yeah, they do.
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Speaker 3: The chicken thighs make really good tacos.
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Speaker 1: So you're having chicken tacos tonight? Chicken tacos, perhaps.
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Speaker 4: Perhaps.
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Speaker 2: We'll see.
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Speaker 1: And you're using thigh meat?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thigh meat is great for chicken tacos. If you like the pool chicken tacos, that's what it is good for.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 1: It's really tasty. Let the record reflect.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 1: We're recording at six o'clock in the evening. Let the record. My time.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's 3 o'clock in my time, so... Let the record. Oh, because you got a glass. See, you look at that. You won't even tell me, you know. That's fine. Sure. Drink alone, Carrie. Drink alone. You can go get some right downstairs. You have time. Cheers. Salud. You have time. Well, I'm going to cheers to my bubbly.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Okay, so yesterday, right after our... Yes, we film a day before sometimes, and right after we were recording... I sent you a text because it was devastating. And I said, Dolly Parton died. And I want to tell you what I said. You want to tell what I said? I think I just said, I know you bleeping lying. I think that's what I said, right?
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Speaker 2: Correct. With about 12 exclamation points.
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Speaker 1: So, I texted Jemele yesterday. First of all, rest in peace to my G, okay?
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Speaker 2: Come on, rest in peace, Dolly.
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Speaker 1: I said, Dolly Parton died. Jemele texts back right away.
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Speaker 2: I know you f * * * ing lied.
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Speaker 3: Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I was like, I mean, I had that. I just wanted to sit down. I just had to sit down somewhere for a minute. And then other friends texted me.
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Speaker 2: I was like, not my girl, Dolly. No, Jesus, the wrong day.
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Speaker 1: You took the wrong one.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, not you. Did you pull her out of the casket?
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Speaker 3: Listen, if we would have been at her, if I'd have been at her funeral, if I had gotten invited to her funeral, I'd have thrown myself on the casket. Like, no, she can't go. She can't go. I would have been the one falling out. Like, are y'all related? We not, but that's not the point.
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Speaker 1: You know, so it got me to thinking. I was on CNN the other day. Talking about this in particular? Yes, talking about this in particular. And Casey Hunt asked me, she goes, and this was in person, she goes, So Carrie, culturally, she crossed many lines. And I was like, I know what Casey's asking me.
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Speaker 2: That was her way of saying, what's up with the Black people? Why do the Blacks love her so much? And I was like, she was one of our favorite Whites.
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: Did you say favorite whites? Yes, I did.
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Speaker 1: Girl, and the producer might gasp.
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Speaker 2: One of our premium whites. She's a premium white. She's a premium white. And the producer was like, I was like, relax.
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Speaker 1: We can say that. It's a compliment. We can definitely say that. We can definitely say, dude, she was just our favorite white woman. There was something about Dolly. And then I went on in a more eloquent fashion to suggest what we loved about Dolly is she stood for everything that was women empowerment, natural love, She stood in the gap for communities that couldn't stand in the gap for themselves. And then she was a quiet philanthropist. And when you found out about it, you're like, ah, makes sense. During COVID, she helped finance the Moderna COVID vaccine, right? You're like, what? She gave that millions of dollars. She sent, I saw all of these artists, you know, online talking about what she did for them. For instance, Eminem is like, she sent me a letter saying she really enjoyed my music. I'm like, what?
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Speaker 2: She enjoyed him when he was music. What? It just, and, and Diana.
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Speaker 1: Ross posting photos. These were the good times.
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Speaker 2: And then she gave us, I will, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: And Whitney sings it so much better. But my point being is that she was really smart and she was a Renaissance woman before we really celebrated Renaissance women. She was a great actress. She seemed to be very selfless. And then at her core, she was like, I don't really get into politics. Because she goes, I'm an entertainer. And that's what I do. But I don't think it's fair to treat people differently. And that's all she was. She recognized the humanity.
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Speaker 2: She was a humanitarian, for sure. In every capacity.
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Speaker 1: And I just was like, I truly, truly love that about her. But my favorite story is she said when she grew up, when she was a kid, and you know this story too, she said, there was the town tramp she would see her walking around and she was like i want to be just like her and they were like no you don't that's the town tramp she's like i loved how big her hair was how red her lips was how short her dress was she was vibrant she was all the things and i was like i'm gonna be just like that and i was like that's my girl you know what i mean like i love all the all of this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah but i'm still she was unapologetic about it for sure so we love her we do and uh You know, she stood ten toes down for us, for sure. Because even with Richard Whitney Houston, there are some artists who might have felt a way about their song being used and the person who re-records their song turns it into a cultural phenomenon, right? Because it was a hit when Dolly Parton, when she did I Will Always Love You, which I believe she recorded in 1973.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. When she did it, it was a huge hit. But then when Whitney did it, Whitney.
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Speaker 3: Took it to another level. A lot of people didn't even know that was Dolly's song, right? And so it sold over 40 million copies. Like The Bodyguard at one point, it still may have the record for being the highest selling music soundtrack of all time.
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Speaker 2: 1974. Yes, 1974. And Dolly.
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Speaker 1: Before your time.
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Speaker 2: A year before my time.
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Speaker 1: And Dolly talked about how she praised Whitney so much in saying how she gave the song new life.
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Speaker 2: And she took.
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Speaker 3: some of the royalty money that she made from that to buy a strip mall, I believe, in a Black community. And she referred to it as Whitney's house because she was like, Whitney made this money possible.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go where her people are.
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Speaker 3: She was like, they're my people too, but I'm going to go where her people are and invest in their community. And I was like, and that's why we mess with Dolly during the Black Lives Matter movement. She said it. She was like, yeah, Black Lives Matter. You think only white lives matter? I was like, get them, Dolly.
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Speaker 1: Get them, girl. And, you know, that's the thing at the end of the day. Well, it says so much about our culture, too, is that we just like people who recognize us. We don't we're not trying to do nothing but mind our goddamn business. And the reality is, is that when people don't recognize our humanity, that's when we are very. That's when we have a problem. I don't fool with you because otherwise we're minding our business. We are laughing. We are enjoying our meals. We're having spaghetti and fish, spaghetti, mac and cheese, spaghetti and chicken thighs. But she really, truly was like, no, I see you. And you are like me and I am no better than you. And this is what at the end of the day, that humility, that that that basic human decency. That is why she is one of our favorites, which leads me to what I wanted to discuss with you, because on the show before we've done your top five white women and you did not put Dolly in that list.
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Speaker 2: I thought I put Dolly in that list.
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Speaker 1: You did not.
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Speaker 2: Did I put it out? Buffy? I don't remember. I was like, I thought I put that.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Buffy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry.
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Speaker 1: So that's why you in that bullshit, Jamal. You talking about I put Dolly on it.
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Speaker 3: I thought I put her on the list, but Dolly would have been my number one white woman, for sure.
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Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Which is why I keep bringing up, because I remember I kind of stumbled with that one. I was like, not only she's Australian, she's not even American. I was just like, what is she going to do? I mess with Nicole Kidman. You watch The Lioness, you know.
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Speaker 2: I fool with Nicole too, but Dolly put everything in perspective. Dolly is the number one. She is the number one white woman. Right?
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you.
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Speaker 3: The only person who could challenge her was Betty White. Betty White was the only... Her and Betty, man.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's Dolly.
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 1: It's the entire cast of Golden Girls. I mean, it quietly is, but it's really Betty. But it's really Betty.
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Speaker 2: It's really Betty.
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Speaker 1: But picture this, right?
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Speaker 2: Your girl, Estella. I think that was her name, Estelle.
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Speaker 1: Bea Arthur. Yes.
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Speaker 2: All of them. Blanche.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know.
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Speaker 2: Rue.
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Speaker 1: What was it?
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Speaker 2: Rue something? Rue McClanahan. Yep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Estelle Getty.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Estelle Getty.
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Speaker 1: How could I forget Estelle? Because my grandmother's name is Estelle. That's a true old person's name.
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Speaker 2: Estelle.
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Speaker 1: So... Just the entire cast. But if I had, Betty White would be up there. That would be one of my favorites.
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Speaker 3: But I do think Dolly universally, most people would have said she was number one.
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Speaker 1: She's on the list.
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Speaker 2: She was number one. And not just on the list, number one. Number one. She was number one. She is the number one white woman.
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Speaker 1: And then the rest can get in where they fit in. So the cast of Golden Girls, Princess Diana, Meryl Streep.
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Speaker 2: We don't play about Meryl. We will fight.
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Speaker 1: Why don't we play about Meryl Streep?
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Speaker 2: We don't play about Meryl Streep.
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Speaker 1: It's not as if we know her like that. Why don't we play about her? Is it because she's just so excellent?
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Speaker 2: We stole her. It's okay. She is ours. We don't play about, you said Princess Diana. We don't play.
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Speaker 3: I don't play about Princess Diana. We don't play about Princess Diana.
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Speaker 1: When she died, I was like, what?
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Speaker 2: It was a mess. It was a mess.
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Speaker 1: We hated the paparazzi.
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Speaker 3: Oh, the way we hated Charles.
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Speaker 2: We still hate Charles. We will never forget Charles.
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Speaker 1: We don't fool with him.
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Speaker 2: We don't fool with Charles. We don't fool with him. Charles is not our friend. and then you know and.
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Speaker 1: Then there's a toss-up here and there you can throw some in there i'm gonna.
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Speaker 2: Tell you i told you olivia benson we will fight.
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Speaker 1: Okay it's and i know and i know and i know and the sad part is i told you i don't watch law and order so people get very upset when i discuss that and i and if i did watch it i would probably have an affinity for her as well i don't play about mrs garrett from the facts of life that's what i don't play about may she rest not mrs garrett The.
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Speaker 2: Way she took care of Tootie. I don't play. I don't play. I ain't play about Joe. I used to love me some Joe. Joe? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Because Joe was always clowning Blair. I couldn't stand Blair. And she was always clowning her.
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Speaker 2: Tootie was my girl.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Tootie was my, like, number one of the girls. Because, you know, seeing a black girl on TV, I was like, oh, yes, Tootie.
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Speaker 1: Our producers don't know anything about that show.
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Speaker 2: They've never seen it. They don't understand. Oh, I did love some Natalie. I did love Natalie. Blair was the only one I didn't like, actually.
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Speaker 1: And then, of course, I liked Blair.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was dramatic. On brand.
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Speaker 4: And rich.
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Speaker 1: And on brand.
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Speaker 2: And dramatic. Yes.
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Speaker 1: My kind of gal. Okay, so who else are your women you don't play? Jane Fonda. You said that's one of yours.
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Speaker 3: I don't play about Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda is definitely on this list.
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Speaker 1: What about Glenisha? We didn't even talk about Glenisha.
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Speaker 4: Who?
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Speaker 2: Glenisha! Are you talking about Glenn Close? Yes! Bye. Get out of here. What was that last movie she just did?
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Speaker 1: She played Glenisha.
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Speaker 2: She... Glenn Close showed us a whole new side of her. I smell you. Oh, please don't. Please don't. Please don't. Just watch. What was the name of that movie?
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Speaker 3: Now I'm going to have to look it up.
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Speaker 2: That Glenn Close movie. I was not prepared. I was not prepared. I was not. But yes, you're right. We do not play about Glennisha. Not at all.
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Speaker 4: Who?
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Speaker 2: I was like, you don't know Glanisha. I was like, oh, that, my bad.
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Speaker 1: That Glanisha.
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Speaker 2: That Glanisha.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that Glanisha. And so, with that being said, is there anybody else you'd like to, because.
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Speaker 2: I know that.
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Speaker 3: I sent you that list that somebody had, they did their own list called My List of White Women I Don't Play About. And it was Betty, Princess Di, Miss Rachel. Miss Rachel is another one. People do not play about Miss Rachel. Because Miss Rachel is out here being a freedom fighter.
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Speaker 2: She don't care. Well, people love her. They do.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: They do love her. Kelly Clarkson was on there. And, of course, Reba J. Blige, a.k.a. Reba McIntyre.
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Speaker 2: Why? Because of her haircut?
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Speaker 4: Why?
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Speaker 3: Because Reba looks like she get her hair done on Slauson.
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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. And she can sing. She can sing.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: She can sing.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Celine Dion.
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Speaker 2: Oh, we don't play about Celine.
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Speaker 4: Why?
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Speaker 3: Because she's soulful. Because she's soulful because she can sing. She can sing. We love somebody who can sing. That's why I saw Adele was on that list.
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Speaker 2: I was like, do we not play about Adele? I didn't know that. Huh.
00:18:48
Speaker 3: I love Adele. I think she's a phenomenal talent. But I didn't know she had made it to the we don't play about you list. I don't know if she made it there yet.
00:18:55
Speaker 2: I don't know. It feels premature.
00:18:56
Speaker 1: It feels very premature. It feels too soon.
00:18:59
Speaker 3: Celine, we don't play about. We done had decades of Celine. We do not play about Celine.
00:19:06
Speaker 1: Because Celine was the only one that could stand toe-to-toe with Whitney and be like, let's go, boo. And it wasn't a competition. She was like, I, too, can go. I, too, can go.
00:19:13
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Voices of a generation.
00:19:14
Speaker 1: And that's why you respect... Yeah, you respect that gangster, that hustle. Like, I figured it out. Okay, so that's it. I was really sad, though. And it was so unexpected. I'm going to have to go down there.
00:19:25
Speaker 2: Well, they said.
00:19:25
Speaker 3: She had a brief battle with cancer. Yeah, that it was cancer. And I think maybe, I don't know. It was one of her relatives that said that she volunteered to. undergo some experimental treatments because she was like, it's probably too late for me, but it may help somebody else. So let me be, you know, kind of a vessel in this, which is something very Dolly Parton like.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: That she would do. True story.
00:19:52
Speaker 3: So when I had Jemele Hills on Bothered, I tried to book Dolly Parton for her as a guest. So reached out to her and she, her team said, well, you know, her request was is that you pay for her glam.
00:20:06
Speaker 1: Oh, you told me about this, girl. You were like, yeah, you can pay for her glam.
00:20:09
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
00:20:11
Speaker 1: Like $ 5, 000.
00:20:11
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
00:20:12
Speaker 3: You got to add another zero. It was five figures.
00:20:16
Speaker 1: Her glam was $ 50, 000.
00:20:16
Speaker 3: No, I didn't say it was 50.
00:20:19
Speaker 2: I just said it was five figures. $ 10, 000. Mm-mm. Keep going. $ 20, 000. Listen, it was a lot. $ 30, 000. It was a lot.
00:20:27
Speaker 1: Well, look, she looked. Look, I asked it. Look, Ron won't build overnight. Go ahead.
00:20:34
Speaker 2: So how much? So she, I would not disclose the amount. You didn't have it. I wish I did.
00:20:40
Speaker 1: You didn't have it.
00:20:41
Speaker 2: I would have paid for it. I'm not even kidding.
00:20:43
Speaker 1: Well, we got to go to Dollyville.
00:20:46
Speaker 2: Well, she did. You know, Dolly, I was reading this New York Times story. Dollywood. Dollywood, yeah.
00:20:52
Speaker 3: Talking about her sense of fashion.
00:20:56
Speaker 2: And she had a wig for every day of the year. She had over 350 wigs. Sounds right. Sounds normal to me. I'm like, yes. Do it. She deserves it.
00:21:06
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:21:07
Speaker 2: Tell me more. Because when she was talking.
00:21:09
Speaker 1: About her wings.
00:21:09
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not shocked. Yeah, okay, go on. Tell me something that's surprising me.
00:21:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:21:14
Speaker 3: Because she was like, I like my hair so high, per her explanation. I like it really teased out. And she was like, so why would I do that to my own hair? She was like, I'm going to get these wigs.
00:21:24
Speaker 2: I was like, see. I like my heels high. I like my standards high.
00:21:27
Speaker 1: I like my hair high.
00:21:28
Speaker 2: Go ahead. That's right.
00:21:30
Speaker 3: And her makeup, you will not find one picture of this woman without some makeup on.
00:21:34
Speaker 2: There's no way. I saw her.
00:21:36
Speaker 1: The reason why I was so shocking, because when I saw her, I was like, didn't we just see her perform in some Daisy Dukes at a concert on Netflix around Christmas time? I'm like, how in the world is Dolly not with us? I thought I just saw her sing with Miley Cyrus the other day. I was just like, just the other day I saw her.
00:21:53
Speaker 2: That's why we weren't prepared. You sound old and black with that. I just saw her. I just saw her. How did that happen?
00:22:01
Speaker 1: I love all the memes online where people are calling to heaven. Hey, I hear Dolly checked in.
00:22:07
Speaker 2: Can I talk to her? You know what I mean? Because why do Black people... Is that your home?
00:22:14
Speaker 1: Always carry.
00:22:16
Speaker 2: It's Dolly! It's Dolly!
00:22:18
Speaker 3: Dolly heard you talking about her and she was like, let me call my girl Carrie and just tell her real quick that I'm okay. That I got here just fine. That they opened up the gates and everything.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: Was that Dolly?
00:22:29
Speaker 1: I can't hear you. Talk shit to yourself because I can't hear you.
00:22:35
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
00:22:36
Speaker 1: That was Dolly.
00:22:36
Speaker 2: I was saying, was that Dolly? That was Dolly. She said she.
00:22:39
Speaker 1: Didn't appreciate you telling all her business about how much it costs to get her makeup done.
00:22:43
Speaker 3: She deserved every penny. I wish my checking and savings were set up differently.
00:22:49
Speaker 2: I wish it was. I would have paid every penny and been happy to do it. Is that, girl, I was like, Dolly is speaking from heaven. Miss Dolly, sorry.
00:22:59
Speaker 1: Miss Dolly?
00:23:00
Speaker 3: Listen, I am not throwing any level of shade on that woman.
00:23:03
Speaker 2: She is an icon and she is a gentle woman and a scholar. All of those things. See what I'm saying?
00:23:11
Speaker 1: I'm fooling with you.
00:23:12
Speaker 2: Dolly just wanted to let you know she got up there. She was like, I'm here now.
00:23:15
Speaker 1: I see you, child. Thank you for this praise.
00:23:18
Speaker 3: I didn't bring it up here. But yes, because Black people do not take anything serious. So naturally, we do not.
00:23:27
Speaker 2: Why?
00:23:28
Speaker 1: We are a deeply unserious people. We can be serious, but then so unserious.
00:23:35
Speaker 3: So yes, I saw the memes and the people doing the skits where they call in heaven, asking for Dolly. One of my favorites is was I think it was Kev on stage who reposted this, is that somebody gave a full name to the Grim Reaper and they were like, Grimerious Renovate Jackson Reaper. And they were like, how could you? You know, and I even put this on threads. I was like, come outside, Grim Reaper. We just want to talk.
00:24:03
Speaker 2: We just want to talk.
00:24:04
Speaker 1: We going to jump you.
00:24:05
Speaker 2: We going to jump you. I ain't going to lie. We going to jump you. Oh, God. You know.
00:24:09
Speaker 3: Is there anything in the world of sports we must discuss? Yes, there are things to discuss. But let me say this last thing about Dolly.
00:24:17
Speaker 1: What you going to say about Dolly? Say it to my face. Say it to my face if you're going to say it about Dolly. No, no, no.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: This is good.
00:24:23
Speaker 3: When you think about it, when is, I mean, because somebody posed the question, will Dolly Parton be the last sort of icon superstar to pass away that is universally beloved?
00:24:38
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more.
00:24:40
Speaker 3: I mean, I had to think about it because even the people, because of the way the internet works now and how very easily and very quickly people go from being super beloved. Like I thought, for example, your friend, The Rock. I was like, The Rock is going to one day run for political office because I don't know anybody who dislikes The Rock. Cut to people now dislike The Rock. And I'm like, it's because of social media that nobody....
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Can get to that space of being just universally beloved.
00:25:11
Speaker 3: I mean, Dolly Parton is so beloved that not even Donald Trump acted a fool about her death.
00:25:17
Speaker 2: This is the nicest tribute I've ever seen.
00:25:19
Speaker 3: Him give anybody who passed away. Because usually you know him. He throws shade all the time. Like, just like with Robert Mueller. He was like, yeah, sorry he died.
00:25:28
Speaker 2: Not really. I'm glad he died. He told that me. He said he was glad he died. He does that constantly. But with Dolly, he knew better.
00:25:35
Speaker 3: He knew he better not fix his lips to say nothing awful about Dolly Parton.
00:25:38
Speaker 1: I just want to go back to the eerie moment of the phone ringing. How does Dolly have my phone number?
00:25:45
Speaker 2: She watching. She listening to Flagrant and Funny right up there.
00:25:51
Speaker 3: That's why. She is up there listening to Flagrant and Funny.
00:25:55
Speaker 2: Mike is asking very important questions. And first of all... Michael Jordan. Would Michael Jordan... If Michael Jordan.
00:26:03
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:26:03
Speaker 2: I don't think. You think he would be university blood. He's the last.
00:26:07
Speaker 1: Who's more famous, Michael Jordan or Michael Jackson?
00:26:10
Speaker 2: He will.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: Who's more famous? I'll say Michael. I'll say Michael.
00:26:13
Speaker 2: I think it's Michael Jackson.
00:26:14
Speaker 1: I'll say Michael Jackson.
00:26:15
Speaker 2: It's definitely Michael Jackson.
00:26:16
Speaker 1: Because when Michael Jackson died, it was like the world paused.
00:26:19
Speaker 2: Right. You know what I mean?
00:26:21
Speaker 1: Right. Were you surprised at the reaction when Kobe died? That was a worldwide moment, right? That was a global response.
00:26:28
Speaker 2: It was. I was surprised. He was not loved.
00:26:30
Speaker 3: The manner in which he passed away. The manner in which he passed away. And especially with his daughter. Like, that was gut-wrenching.
00:26:37
Speaker 1: Kind of like the JFK.
00:26:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like very gay. But you think about it.
00:26:41
Speaker 3: There's not that many people who are living right now where there.
00:26:45
Speaker 2: Would be universally beloved.
00:26:48
Speaker 3: Where you better not say nothing bad about them or we gonna jump you, beloved.
00:26:52
Speaker 1: Let's think about that. I think we're too caught up in the moment. There has to be. Mm-hmm.
00:26:59
Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
00:26:59
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jordan would be sad.
00:27:02
Speaker 2: Maybe he would come the closest. Maybe he would come the closest.
00:27:05
Speaker 1: If he passes away from natural causes, yes, we would all be sad. But if it was a tragic death, it would be devastating. An untimely death. An unexpected death, yes. And I don't wish that on anybody. But I can't think of any... I just don't think that we're thinking hard enough right now.
00:27:19
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it is.
00:27:20
Speaker 3: But I do also think we're not in an age anymore where everybody kind.
00:27:25
Speaker 2: Of, you know, people... And I don't want to wish that on anybody. No, I definitely don't want to wish that on anybody. So we'll rebuke it. Yes, of course.
00:27:33
Speaker 1: Father God.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: But I don't want to.
00:27:36
Speaker 3: But no, it just, the way people were talking about Dolly Parton in itself was a lesson. And that's why I said like, man, it's not going to be that many people that we have currently.
00:27:47
Speaker 2: Oh, you know what? I'm going to give you one. Where ain't nobody going.
00:27:49
Speaker 3: They bet not ever, ever, ever fix their lips and say nothing bad about this person.
00:27:54
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder.
00:27:55
Speaker 3: There will be nobody who will say anything bad about Stevie Wonder.
00:27:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:28:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:28:00
Speaker 1: But I think there's I think I think there's a lot. I think there are a lot. We're just not thinking about it. I think the world is more kind and death than you think. Sometimes I just I have hope.
00:28:11
Speaker 2: I believe.
00:28:12
Speaker 1: The spirit of Dolly is talking to me right now because she done rang my doorbell. I ain't fooling with y'all. The spirit of Dolly is in me.
00:28:20
Speaker 2: You about to have a seance? Is that what's about to happen?
00:28:23
Speaker 1: I need my makeup done for $ 80, 000 now.
00:28:25
Speaker 3: That's right. You better go find you some sequins right quick. go find you some sequins and push the girls out. And that was another thing I loved on social media is that women were, um, uplifting the girls.
00:28:37
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
00:28:37
Speaker 1: No titties out for Dolly.
00:28:40
Speaker 2: Titties out for Dolly. Titties out for Dolly.
00:28:44
Speaker 3: Titties out for Dolly. That's right. Tits at half mass is right. Yes, that's correct.
00:28:51
Speaker 2: Okay. We'll get to some sports and rest in peace.
00:28:54
Speaker 1: Dolly. We love you.
00:28:55
Speaker 2: Yes, we do love you.
00:29:02
Speaker 3: So I saw that ESPN put out their top 50 WNBA players. And Asia Wilson is number one. Makes sense. Which makes sense. She's leading the league at scoring, rebounds, block shots. Like, Asia's that girl. That woman, excuse me. And, you know, she's just so consistently excellent. I just hope we don't take it for granted. And number two is Caitlin Clarke, which anything with Caitlin Clarke is just going to create a level of debate.
00:29:32
Speaker 2: But I understand why Kaitlyn Clark is number two.
00:29:34
Speaker 1: Tell me why.
00:29:36
Speaker 3: Kaitlyn Clark has played lights out since All-Star break.
00:29:41
Speaker 2: Lights out.
00:29:43
Speaker 3: The game she had against, I believe it was the Sky, Fever Sky, which also was the most watched WNBA game, regular season game, since 1997.
00:29:54
Speaker 2: Over 3 million people watched this game. I think it was Fever Sky. Right? Okay. Or was it Fever Dream? Buffy, check that. But the game where she dropped, I believe, 37-10. I think that's what it was. That was the game.
00:30:09
Speaker 3: At any rate, I mean, she's got more 30-10 games, I believe, than anybody in WNBA history.
00:30:15
Speaker 2: Oh, it was. It was Fever Sky.
00:30:17
Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
00:30:18
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:30:19
Speaker 3: So, at any rate, there are... She has just been playing incredible. The only thing is, her teammate, Kelsey Mitchell, has equally been playing incredible. Like, those two, they've been hell on everybody for the last month.
00:30:33
Speaker 2: And a half.
00:30:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Kelsey has been consistently hell. Yeah, all season. She is just special. And I mean special, special.
00:30:41
Speaker 2: Go on.
00:30:41
Speaker 3: She's also in the top 10 in the top 50 players. Yeah, she's like number eight.
00:30:47
Speaker 2: And so I guess that was the debate, is that some people were just like, oh... It can't be.
00:30:51
Speaker 3: Kaitlyn Clark can't be the second best player in the WNBA because is she actually better than her teammate Kelsey Mitchell?
00:30:57
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, sure, whatever.
00:31:00
Speaker 3: I'm not dismissing that, but what I am saying is that I think because of her playmaking ability as a passer, that is what sets her apart.
00:31:10
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:31:11
Speaker 3: So anyway, the way she's played since the All-Star break has been truly special.
00:31:16
Speaker 2: I think.
00:31:18
Speaker 3: Now she's in a zone. She is in a zone right now. And the Fever, I think they're fourth or fifth in the league in the standings. They're going to be a playoff team that a lot of people don't want to see just because of their ability to put up numbers.
00:31:33
Speaker 2: But I'm all right with her being number two.
00:31:35
Speaker 3: I know some people say Olivia or or Paige also both are in the top 10.
00:31:40
Speaker 2: The only thing with the.
00:31:41
Speaker 3: Olivia is, uh, I believe that Caitlin Clark is probably averaging more assists than her and more points than her.
00:31:48
Speaker 2: So you're okay.
00:31:49
Speaker 1: You, you, you're okay with that. You don't think that that was okay. It wasn't a reach at all. Send me the list. Who's number three. I was trying to look.
00:31:57
Speaker 3: Um, so yeah, I mean, it, it wasn't to me, it wasn't any kind of reach. And, but I know that's the thing that is kind of annoying about these debates is When it comes to, you know, players, it's like it's one thing if you don't, you know, maybe there's some parts of Caitlin Clark's personality you.
00:32:17
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily like. That's fine.
00:32:20
Speaker 3: But the way that people often try to use that to denigrate her talent as a basketball player, I'm like, now you're just being disingenuous.
00:32:28
Speaker 1: It's like she can hoop. By every measure, this woman can hoop.
00:32:32
Speaker 2: Sure.
00:32:32
Speaker 3: No one's saying she can't. A lot of people, they like to be like, oh, she's not. I was like, you don't got to do that. So number three was Breanna Stewart. Number four was Olivia Miles. Number five was Paige. Speaking of Paige, so I finished that UConn docuseries on Apple. I highly encourage you to watch it. And I encourage everybody else to watch that too.
00:32:55
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. Fascinating. Is that how you say it?
00:32:59
Speaker 1: Fascinating.
00:32:59
Speaker 2: Fascinating. It is extremely fascinating. Why is it fascinating? A couple things.
00:33:06
Speaker 1: Well, I know they talk about... What is basketball? They talk about the idea of her not talking to Gino, right? Yes, she didn't.
00:33:16
Speaker 3: Like for a significant portion of the season, she did not talk to this man. Their relationship is very complex. But what's the pressure of winning it all? Because it follows her until she... It follows the program up until Paige finally won a national title.
00:33:33
Speaker 2: And so you go through how he built this program. Even, you.
00:33:39
Speaker 3: Know, his contentious relationship with Pat Summitt. They dive a lot into that and what was behind that.
00:33:44
Speaker 2: Do they really? That's good. Interesting. That's what makes it.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do a doc on that relationship.
00:33:51
Speaker 2: You do these rivalry series, that would be good.
00:33:54
Speaker 1: That was the next one we had in mind. Go on.
00:33:57
Speaker 3: Well, you pick up a lot from this because truthfully what drove Gino Auriemma's, what drove the contentiousness of the relationship was Gino Auriemma was insecure.
00:34:10
Speaker 1: Wait a second.
00:34:12
Speaker 2: He was insecure. Is that what is fascinating? Insecure and competitive.
00:34:18
Speaker 3: Insecure and competitive, like your competitive instinct, it can be great, but it can also be something that can derail you. And he so much wanted to beat Tennessee and be on pass level that he often, you know, took shots at her, like took shots she didn't deserve.
00:34:36
Speaker 2: And he won.
00:34:38
Speaker 3: It was one particular quote that he said that really stuck out to me. So Pat Summitt was considered to be the ultimate ambassador for women's basketball.
00:34:46
Speaker 2: That's she was the face of it. Right. Even even as UConn was winning and kind of catching up.
00:34:51
Speaker 1: He really wore her down, though. And I just were you the one I decide. No, you I don't know if you said this the other day. I don't know who I was talking to, but they were like, oh, the China. I spoke to her mentor group, and she was talking about one of the alumni from her mentor association was talking about how there's a head coach in the league right now that really, really gives everybody a hard time referring to reporters. And LaChina said, you have to understand, I've never met a coach that's not insecure. That's why I was like, is that the breaking news? Because I'm just like, they lead with insecurity, at least to me.
00:35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, the insecurity is what drives them to be great.
00:35:32
Speaker 1: Correct. And Kat said that Gino got, he really bothered her spirit. And her daughter, she talked about how he really bothered her spirit so much so like, she went into a restaurant and he was there and he was talking loud and being an asshole and like bullying her.
00:35:49
Speaker 2: I remember this, yeah.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: Yes. And she got up and left because she just can't take it. It's so interesting.
00:35:54
Speaker 2: Okay, go on. It was.
00:35:55
Speaker 3: I mean, but this lets you know the difference between the two of them. So in this one particular part, they're talking about how Pat Summitt, the growth of the game meant a lot to her. The growth of the game, leaving women's basketball in a better place than when she came in, that meant everything to her. Cut to Gino who says, And I'm loosely paraphrasing, but this was pretty much his exact quote. He was like, I didn't give a shit about the growth of the game. I gave a shit about growing UConn.
00:36:21
Speaker 2: That's it. And I was like, that's the difference.
00:36:23
Speaker 1: That's it.
00:36:23
Speaker 2: That is the difference.
00:36:24
Speaker 1: But that's what we said about him. Like when we were reading the riot act, when he was acting a fool with Don, I was like, the difference between him and Don is that she cares about football and the women's game as a whole. He's so like just, and by the way, that's his, obviously a great strength of his, because I still say this about if I can, what I can recognize about Gina Ariyama is the legends that he's, he's put in the league. He's put some serious legends in this league. He really has. And, and they, and they act accordingly, meaning they behave, they, they have a level of integrity about them that really shines bright. When I think of the players that have come through his program, I don't be like so-and-so on bullshit. I just think that they have real, as opposed to, and I'm not saying that everybody goes to LSU, dang shit. But what I'm saying is that you, there's a clear difference between the professionals that leave some of these programs.
00:37:16
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
00:37:17
Speaker 1: When they get into the league, how they behave, how they handle themselves in certain situations on and off the court. And Gino runs a strict program, although he's a selfish little son of a gun, but he runs a strict program.
00:37:26
Speaker 2: He runs a very strict program.
00:37:28
Speaker 3: And like his, his relationship with Diana Sarasi is hilarious because, That's my boo.
00:37:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. DT is great in this doc. Great in this doc. She is phenomenal. Okay, you sold it. You sold it.
00:37:40
Speaker 1: I'm going to go watch it.
00:37:40
Speaker 2: Yes, watch it. It's three parts. It's great. But the relationship with Paige, it was challenging on a lot of levels.
00:37:47
Speaker 1: Did Paige talk about her relationship with AZ?
00:37:51
Speaker 2: She did. She talked about her relationship with AZ.
00:37:54
Speaker 1: We can't talk about that too much. She's on the network. Remember, I forgot. They get nervous.
00:37:57
Speaker 2: It's in a documentary.
00:38:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fully in this documentary about how their friendship grew from just a friendship to something.
00:38:07
Speaker 2: you know, that was romance-based.
00:38:11
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they're still together in this moment.
00:38:13
Speaker 2: No, it does not, no. Because this was like college.
00:38:15
Speaker 1: It just suggested that they were.
00:38:17
Speaker 2: Uh-huh, okay. Yeah, no, they talk about the romance, okay? Yeah, no, no, no, no.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: I'm saying it doesn't talk about where they are now. It talks about the relationship. No, no, because it was filmed when they were in college. Correct.
00:38:28
Speaker 3: It only goes to a certain point, yeah. But they probably did interviews before. Probably post-college, I assume. Yeah, but not now.
00:38:37
Speaker 2: The story. Not now.
00:38:38
Speaker 1: I'm asking, is it recent? This is the question, Jamel.
00:38:42
Speaker 2: No, it is. The narrative of the story is not recent.
00:38:46
Speaker 1: Okay, dang. Yes. Why are you acting like a man today?
00:38:52
Speaker 3: See now that's why the menfolk be young that's exactly why I love them I love them boys I love boys you were talking about all that food that you cook did you invite any gentlemen callers over for some food.
00:39:05
Speaker 4: You don't why you all in my business you don't want to know what's going on over here I'm just asking like is any of them worthy of deserving a meal a chicken thigh can they get a chicken thigh or another.
00:39:17
Speaker 1: Kind of thigh or another kind of thigh What could you be talking about?
00:39:22
Speaker 2: You nasty. Bow chicka bow wow.
00:39:24
Speaker 4: You nasty.
00:39:24
Speaker 2: Bow chicka bow wow. You got some thighs or thighs?
00:39:28
Speaker 1: You want some thighs or you want a thigh? What is wrong with you?
00:39:33
Speaker 2: Absurd. Why?
00:39:34
Speaker 1: Why am I this way?
00:39:37
Speaker 2: I don't know why you are this way. Why are you the way you are? I have no idea.
00:39:41
Speaker 1: Why am the way I am?
00:39:42
Speaker 2: I do not know.
00:39:43
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. I went to D.C. yesterday to do the CNN show. And it was really funny because I, I enjoy, I enjoy the black people. I do. And we are the best. And I'm going to tell you why, because when I was on the train and I was walking to my car, car number seven, I was walking past the food cart. Jamel and I, we used to work at ESPN, used to take the train in New York. And our favorite thing to do would We'd get a cup of ramen noodles and some bottled red wine. We would have a time.
00:40:22
Speaker 2: We would. Going from New York to Hartford to New York.
00:40:27
Speaker 1: And so we would enjoy our meals. The food, the bar cart, the food cart car was our area. And so as I was crossing over to, I passed the food cart. I had my own little food this time. I picked up a little sushi. And there was a Black man who was like, hey! I know you.
00:40:47
Speaker 2: Carry. Didn't he say it just like that?
00:40:49
Speaker 1: You be giving it to them on that show. In that little circle, you be giving it to them on that show. Keep doing that little circle. In that circle you be in, you go in and give it to them. And I said, I'm going to keep giving it to them.
00:41:02
Speaker 2: Whatever it is I gave to them, I'm going to keep doing it.
00:41:05
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep doing it. Yeah, I know he's talking about Abby's show.
00:41:08
Speaker 2: Of course.
00:41:09
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm going to do it. And then I was like, I love That's, you know, that's how we are. And then I'm getting off the train, coming back because I did an up and down trip. And I'm in front of Penn Station. I'm looking for my car. Maybe I'm taking a cab. I don't know what I'm going to do. And this big tall man, adjacent to homeless, not necessarily homeless, but adjacent.
00:41:29
Speaker 2: Carrie! Yes?
00:41:32
Speaker 1: You good on TV. And I said, okay.
00:41:35
Speaker 4: Okay.
00:41:36
Speaker 2: Look at you. Finding your audience. I said, this is my audience. This is your audience. Homeless adjacent and dude on the train. That is your audience. Listen, I say this all the time about every show. We know our audience.
00:42:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:42:00
Speaker 3: Is that people, you know, I understand that people are critical of her show and they're wondering.
00:42:05
Speaker 2: She is an audience, though.
00:42:06
Speaker 3: But listen, us, our folk, we watch that show religiously.
00:42:12
Speaker 2: We tune in.
00:42:14
Speaker 1: We locked in.
00:42:14
Speaker 2: We tuning in because.
00:42:17
Speaker 3: The number of our folks that recognize me from their show is crazy because I had somebody yesterday recognize me too as well.
00:42:25
Speaker 1: Did he say, I know you?
00:42:26
Speaker 2: No, it was a woman.
00:42:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a woman. I was going to, because you know me, I like to run some errands. Did you go to the bank? I had to go to the post office.
00:42:36
Speaker 2: Well, kind of. I had to go to UPS.
00:42:39
Speaker 3: And then I had to go to FedEx and UPS.
00:42:44
Speaker 1: You're not beating allegations, you old heifer.
00:42:47
Speaker 2: I am.
00:42:48
Speaker 3: I got grandma tendencies. I've had them since I was a child. My nickname growing up, they used to call me Grandma, for sure.
00:42:55
Speaker 1: So you go and pay bills. I do. You go to the physical location to pay the gas bill.
00:43:01
Speaker 2: That's what she does. She's like pulling up to the gas.
00:43:05
Speaker 1: I get me a little money order. She go to the phone company to pay her telephone bill.
00:43:09
Speaker 2: That's right. I go to the phone. I got to make sure it's there.
00:43:11
Speaker 3: I go to the bank every two weeks, do a little withdrawal, deposit my check.
00:43:18
Speaker 2: I do it every two weeks. That's what I do. I do it. okay go on I'm not that bad.
00:43:24
Speaker 3: But I was I was at the UPS and as I was the line was out the door so as I'm walking up to the line a woman was like did you go to USC and I was like I did not go to USC and she proceeded to name seven other places she might know me from she was like USC the farmer's market down at the swap meet I love us do you know Renee do you know Keisha do you know Santonio I was like she was going down the list I was like no ma'am No, no, no.
00:43:52
Speaker 2: And she was like, wait a minute. You that girl on TV? And I was like.
00:43:56
Speaker 1: That's who you are. I know I knew you from somewhere.
00:43:57
Speaker 2: That is me. She was like, I knew I knew you. You be on there talking about them politics. I knew that I knew you. And I was like... You do, ma'am. You do know me. It's so cute. It's the most endearing thing. I love us. It is adorable.
00:44:10
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a full auntie when we call each other auntie, but that's.
00:44:13
Speaker 3: A full auntie. Oh, no, she auntied me. She absolutely auntied me.
00:44:17
Speaker 1: I remember I was with Kendra's mom, exactly the same thing. Kendra's mom, we see somebody famous. She go, I know you. I know you. Tell me where I know you from. I know you.
00:44:26
Speaker 2: Where I know you from.
00:44:26
Speaker 1: That's what I love when we make you explain. Where do I know you from? I'm like, well, I'll be. I love us. And on top of that, on top of that, We absolutely discussed that. Is that Dolly text messaging you? Yeah, Dolly's like, that's enough. We tired of y'all. We tired of y'all right now. We absolutely talked about nothing on this podcast. We did.
00:44:46
Speaker 2: We talked about Dolly, our icon.
00:44:49
Speaker 3: Listen, I tried to get into some ball talk by talking about the WBA.
00:44:51
Speaker 2: But that's fine.
00:44:53
Speaker 3: Let's talk about our random encounters with Black people.
00:44:56
Speaker 2: I love us. That's it. I do love a random encounter with some Black people.
00:44:59
Speaker 1: I don't you because it's how they are and you're one with the people. You got to get out more, Jamel, and be one.
00:45:05
Speaker 2: With the people. Listen. I'm one with the people. I am one with the people. I'm one with the people. Who to who?
00:45:13
Speaker 1: I sat next to a man yesterday. Guys, more dating stories.
00:45:18
Speaker 2: Oh, Lord.
00:45:19
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put myself out there. I sat next to a man. And what happened was I was waiting for my train. I took a train. And I sat down next to a man. And I was like, yet again, another experiment. And- I started to talk to him, and he told me he was in the Army, and he worked for the Department of War. It used to be known as the Department of Defense.
00:45:46
Speaker 2: Wait, he one of them, my cousin worked at the Pentagon? Is that what you're saying?
00:45:51
Speaker 1: He works at the Pentagon. He works at the Department of War.
00:45:53
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:45:54
Speaker 1: Good government job, Carrie. He got a good government job.
00:45:57
Speaker 2: He was in the Army.
00:45:58
Speaker 1: He was very secretive. He had a lot of clearance. And I don't know, I couldn't gauge his age, maybe somewhere in his 50s. His friend came and joined him, another single gentleman. And they were just chatting me up and they were so sweet and so lovely. And I was nice. And you know what I said when I left? I was like, it was such a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen. And then, but the whole time I was thinking, see, this is a nice interaction. I don't have anything bad to say.
00:46:22
Speaker 2: I didn't.
00:46:23
Speaker 1: I didn't have to play dumb. I was very curious.
00:46:25
Speaker 2: You weren't like, what is a war?
00:46:27
Speaker 1: Well, what I did say was like, now, what branch of the military were you in? And then he explained it. And I had him explain to me, did he get a free education and what that meant? And could he get his kids a free education? So I was just really naturally curious about all the things he did. And that is, again, another key. Be curious about their life.
00:46:48
Speaker 2: I would say that that generally works.
00:46:51
Speaker 3: Is that Buffy?
00:46:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let me tell you, I go, he goes, listen, before I could even get into it. Cause I told him I worked at CNN. He was like, listen, All I got to say is this. The mission doesn't change. I have a job. It doesn't matter who's in office. I tell everybody that. So I don't talk about like he was like, don't come. He was like, don't even do it. He was like, don't don't do me.
00:47:14
Speaker 2: I already know.
00:47:15
Speaker 1: I don't know that man like that.
00:47:17
Speaker 2: I don't know that man like that. He was like, I'm not doing pull up contests.
00:47:22
Speaker 1: I did. Look, I don't even I don't even know that man.
00:47:24
Speaker 2: That's right. Was he black?
00:47:29
Speaker 1: He was black.
00:47:29
Speaker 2: Okay, because I would say, because you know, we ain't trying to get fired either.
00:47:32
Speaker 1: I know.
00:47:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
00:47:33
Speaker 3: For some little conversation that we didn't have with some random stranger.
00:47:38
Speaker 2: And he sent me a DM. Did he? He hopped in the DMs? Because I was going to ask, did he ask for your number?
00:47:44
Speaker 1: No, I didn't give him the opportunity to. I was like, okay, time to go. Nice to meet you guys. Because I didn't feel like it. I didn't want it. But it was really nice. He was like, it's a pleasure to meet you. He was like, sorry, I didn't recognize you yesterday. I thought that was sweet. I didn't reply, but I thought that was really nice. Meanwhile, remember the FBI agent from... Yes, the one who was like, oh, yes, by the way, I'm married.
00:48:06
Speaker 2: Or was it, oh, no, Secret Service.
00:48:07
Speaker 1: Secret Service, yes. Yes, Secret Service from Final Four. He also sent me a message the other day.
00:48:13
Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
00:48:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was talking about happy birthday. I remember you told me today was your birthday. And I was like, no, I didn't.
00:48:19
Speaker 2: No, you didn't. Okay. Lord, this man. I was just like, thanks.
00:48:24
Speaker 1: You didn't even correct him? No, I was just like, thank you. He just wanted an excuse to reach out. I'm not doing it. But my point is, is I'm being friendly.
00:48:34
Speaker 2: Okay. That's a step.
00:48:36
Speaker 3: You tolerated a man's company for longer than five minutes.
00:48:39
Speaker 2: And I'm proud of you.
00:48:40
Speaker 1: I talked to the Department of War guy for a good 20 minutes.
00:48:44
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. 20 minutes? Probably. This is a record for probably 2026. Yeah.
00:48:48
Speaker 3: I'm getting there. I'll be engaged in six months. We're going to work your way up to 30 minutes. We get to 30 minutes, you're going to be engaged.
00:48:57
Speaker 1: I'm going to be engaged in six months. What is war?
00:49:01
Speaker 3: You need to ask a department of war, be like, do you know a Secret Service agent name?
00:49:06
Speaker 1: Name, whatever. By the way, I think the Secret Service agent does like listen to the pod. I think it's, I think he enjoys the fact that.
00:49:13
Speaker 2: We made fun of him.
00:49:14
Speaker 1: Because remember he jumped in your DMs too. So I think he enjoyed it.
00:49:18
Speaker 2: I had to, I had to. be stern but firm with him.
00:49:22
Speaker 1: Stern and firm.
00:49:23
Speaker 2: Stern and firm with him. How dare you?
00:49:27
Speaker 3: I'm D-Wade throwing you alley-oop on a fast break like you LeBron. I'm helping you out. And this is how you embarrass me?
00:49:38
Speaker 2: You gotta be kidding me. Well, you know, you're happily married.
00:49:41
Speaker 1: You don't have to be in the streets. You don't know what it's like out here. It's cold out here. You're making chicken thighs and spaghetti at home. It's by itself. It's cold out here in this world. It's cold out here in the D.
00:49:50
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? In the NYC.
00:49:52
Speaker 3: It's cold out here in the NYC, even in the middle of August. It's cold out here in the NYC.
00:49:57
Speaker 1: It's cold out here. Whatever happened to our interview with Daria?
00:50:03
Speaker 2: Oh, D.R.
00:50:04
Speaker 1: D.R., sorry.
00:50:05
Speaker 2: Whatever happened? It's coming.
00:50:07
Speaker 1: Oh, we're doing it.
00:50:08
Speaker 2: We will.
00:50:08
Speaker 3: We will have a DR. Patrick, my friend, her show is amazing. So for people who are not watching DR from Detroit, please watch it.
00:50:18
Speaker 2: It's tremendous. And not just because I'm in it, but just watch it in general.
00:50:22
Speaker 1: Always because she's in it. Well, the reason why I asked was because today my makeup artist, Melissa, did her makeup.
00:50:27
Speaker 2: Did she really?
00:50:29
Speaker 1: Did you refer to her?
00:50:30
Speaker 2: I did not, actually.
00:50:32
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so weird.
00:50:33
Speaker 2: I'll have to text DR and say, like, guess what? I know your makeup artist that.
00:50:36
Speaker 1: You work with. Uh-huh, yes. September.
00:50:38
Speaker 2: Okay, great.
00:50:38
Speaker 1: We got her in September.
00:50:39
Speaker 2: Yes, we got her in September. So that will be coming up. So people who are fans.
00:50:43
Speaker 1: Of the show can pay attention. We have Karen Bass, Los Angeles.
00:50:46
Speaker 3: She also will be coming up. We got some interviews. We have Nneka Agumake coming up.
00:50:50
Speaker 1: We got Nneka Agumake. I RSVP'd for you for her last game in Los Angeles. Oh, did you?
00:50:56
Speaker 2: Because I tried to RSVP and it wouldn't let me.
00:50:58
Speaker 1: I put you down. I know your wife took care of you. Don't I always?
00:51:01
Speaker 2: Look at you.
00:51:02
Speaker 1: The only person you don't have coming on the show is Stephen A. Has he responded to any of us?
00:51:06
Speaker 2: He has not. But I did read this. I read this.
00:51:10
Speaker 3: So I guess apparently he had he had some comments as he was talking about all the Democrats that he's invited to be on the show. Like all, you know, he said Don Lemon. He said, I think Jasmine Crockett. He was like, none of them will, you know, have will come on. And he mentioned you and I. And I was like, he's never invited us on his show. He said that he invited us on his show. And I was like, he's never invited us on his show. And I was like, now, Mr. Smith, you have not invited either one of us on the show. Because in fact, the writer who wrote up the summary of him, you know, talking about how he's, of course, he mentioned Aaron, our friend Aaron Haynes, the president. of the National Association of Black Journalists after all of that. And she talked about how he invited her, but he mentioned that he invited us. And I was like, ooh, is the invitation in the room with us? Because that has not happened.
00:52:09
Speaker 2: You know what's happening?
00:52:10
Speaker 1: Buffy and Coscarelli are keeping it from us. They don't want the drama.
00:52:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yes.
00:52:14
Speaker 3: But we have extended an invitation to him and his show, and we have heard nothing back.
00:52:21
Speaker 2: Zero. And we got evidence that we have that. Well, yeah.
00:52:24
Speaker 1: We put a little clip. We clipped it up and put it up there. We let everybody know.
00:52:29
Speaker 2: So we have sent out the bat signal. Well, call him again.
00:52:32
Speaker 1: Call him again.
00:52:33
Speaker 4: No.
00:52:34
Speaker 1: You know what you should do? You should respond to one of his tweets because you're on Twitter, right? When he tweets something, reply, say, hey, Stephen A., did you get our message about coming on the show? That way, we'll see what happens.
00:52:45
Speaker 2: That way, he can't say. He didn't see it.
00:52:47
Speaker 3: He didn't directly get to him that he didn't see it, but I have the, we have the contact person that handles those things.
00:52:55
Speaker 2: We have reached out to them multiple times and heard absolutely nothing.
00:52:58
Speaker 1: It would be great, honestly, if he came on the show. It would be wonderful. It'd be a good trip down memory lane.
00:53:03
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:53:04
Speaker 3: I'm sure you'd love to discuss all the wonderful times you had with him on First Take.
00:53:10
Speaker 1: I'd love to do that.
00:53:13
Speaker 2: That would be great. That would be amazing. I know.
00:53:18
Speaker 1: And I honestly think that it would be good to have him on. And we set the tone of the shows like this is not an argument. This is not a gotcha. We're here just trying to hash out how we feel. And our hope is that we can come to some middle ground.
00:53:32
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of middle ground to be had. But yeah, we'll see. And again, I would gladly go on his show. Would gladly do it. So that wouldn't bother me at all.
00:53:44
Speaker 2: Me too.
00:53:44
Speaker 1: Don't leave me. I'm coming at you. We double dutching on the show.
00:53:48
Speaker 2: We double dutching. You're right. We are double dutching on the show.
00:53:51
Speaker 4: All right.
00:53:52
Speaker 3: So.
00:53:53
Speaker 2: I think it's time for us to wrap, Carrie.
00:53:55
Speaker 1: It's time for us to go. It's been great. I'm just trying to see when this airs. Okay, I know. Okay, I'm just, sometimes I'm confused. All right.
00:54:02
Speaker 2: You good? All right.
00:54:03
Speaker 3: Listen, I know because you've been in there cooking and slaving in the kitchen.
00:54:07
Speaker 2: The heat got to my brain.
00:54:08
Speaker 3: The heat got to you. Dolly done called you twice. She done texted you and she done rung your doorbell. It's just a whole lot happening.
00:54:15
Speaker 1: Look, why are you playing? When the phone rang and we said we were talking about Dolly, I was like, dear God.
00:54:21
Speaker 2: She said, listen.
00:54:23
Speaker 3: Hey, Jolene, listen. Flagrant and Funny is an iHeart Women's Sports production.
00:54:31
Speaker 1: Producers are Michael Coscarelli and Buffy Gorilla. Our editor is Michael Coscarelli. Our executive producer is Jessie Katz. And this show is hosted by us, Jemele Hill and Gary Champion.