FIVEAA Breakfast with Will & Stacey - 13 October 2026

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Speaker 1: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
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Speaker 2: Live from Hindmarsh Square, it's 5AA Breakfast. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 3: Night after six, good morning to you and welcome to Tuesday on 5AA Breakfast. It is the 13th of October. Tuesday means Phil Currie on the program. We'll be chatting with Phil after 7.30. The spectre of Josh Frydenberg looms large over the coalition. They've had probably their best week of 2026. Not great timing. We'll talk about that with Phil after 7.30 today. We've had, as you heard, just heard in 5AA News, some developing news here in Adelaide with regard to an Emirates flight that was on its way to Dubai. One of the engines, we understand, caught fire. It turned back. These are words you don't want to hear whilst in transit on a giant plane about to embark on, what, a 13, 14-hour journey? A couple of hours in, turned back to Adelaide Airport. All turned out okay. Would have been terrifying for people on board. We're going to do more work on that story for you. Another local breaking story we've just started to get wind about. A number of cars we understand belonging to prison workers at Yatla have clearly been torched. You've got the image of them. They've all been burnt out in the car park there. We'll be crossing live to the scene for more on that for you after 7 o'clock. Should the execution to be carried out by the US military be broadcast live into Australia? It will be broadcast live in the US if the Defence Secretary, Pete Hegseth, gets his way. Should it be broadcast here? I think there seems to be a broad consensus, if Barnaby Joyce is of the view too, that this shouldn't be shown here, that it shouldn't be. Do we have the powers to stop it? We'll talk about that with Monash Law's Elios Justice, Director Sarah Cowell, after 7 o'clock this morning. We've got a jury trial to conduct. We'll talk about cruise season starting in Adelaide today. Lots going on transport-wise today, Stace. Good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 3: Planes, trains and automobiles. So we had the Dubai flight turned around. Not ideal. The cruises coming into Adelaide, season starts today. That'll be terrific. Always great for the economy. Thousands of people. You've broadcast from on a cruise ship before, haven't you?
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, a couple times. Leith Forest will be on the ship this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: I've never been on a cruise ship. They're massive, aren't they?
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Speaker 4: They're huge. No, I've never got to stay on one.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 4: I've been allowed on for three hours for the work purposes. They look cool, though. There's so much to do. There's always multiple restaurants. There's always multiple businesses. um i was about to say boats no it's a ship pools multiple pools different things to do some of them have gaming areas some of them don't it's.
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Speaker 3: Crazy well like mini casinos yeah wow yep uh lots going on travel wise and some of it good uh like the cruising some of it's not so good we want to hear about your planes trains automobiles disaster stories delays things that didn't go well uh flights you've missed buses that stopped i had i remember i The only train version I've ever had in my life was going to my uncle's wedding, and it was probably nearly 40 years ago on the overland now to Melbourne. And we were late and almost didn't make it because of the fact that the engine broke down. So we were stuck halfway between Adelaide and Melbourne, and the train just didn't go everywhere. And as a little person, I had no sense of what was going on beyond the fact my father was so angry. And I could see, it was just him and I going to this wedding.
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Speaker 6: Oh, no.
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Speaker 3: And I remember that train journey so fondly because it was just such a novelty as a kid.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But total disaster. We might have missed the start. Nothing compares with our morning's producer, Sam Datto's last 24 hours. This time yesterday, we spoke to him, of course, as our 5AA resident rev head at Bathurst. with a great breakdown of what transpired at the race there. Have a listen to this, though. Since we spoke to him at Bathurst, his direct flight from Canberra was delayed by one and a half hours. Then he was bumped off the delayed flight because someone had, and excuse me, sorry if you're eating your breakfast, someone had vomited everywhere.
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Speaker 8: Oh.
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Speaker 3: Everywhere, and that sentence is troubling.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So they just canned the flight. That's not great. He was then told to stay an extra night, fly to Sydney, and then he'd be on the Adelaide plane that would land at 11 a.m. today. Well, this morning, his flight to Sydney got cancelled, and they've rescheduled him to go to Melbourne and then Adelaide, and he won't be home until 8 p.m. tonight.
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Speaker 4: It's a 24-hour delay just to come from Canberra.
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Speaker 3: To come from Canberra. To Adelaide. Two hours, probably.
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure there are direct flights from Adelaide to Canberra multiple times a day.
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Speaker 3: The original flight was a direct one.
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Speaker 4: How hard would it be just to get another plane to go the next day?
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Speaker 3: Apparently very difficult. Greg Norman's had a lash this week as well about Qantas delays.
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Speaker 4: I love it when uber-rich people have to experience the same thing that us everyday people have to experience every day, and suddenly it's outrage.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 9: Qantas flights are late.
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Speaker 3: You're like, oh, yeah. These planes. Anyone notice these planes are running later and later? We had, Greg.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Greg.
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Speaker 10: We have.
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Speaker 3: Kelly Clarkson in the shop, if you followed the Kelly Clarkson dilemma, she went to buy some sort of antique bird clock or something or other. It was valued at 15 grand, and she got tutted by the people working there and said, love, we'll find you something a little bit more on your price range.
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Speaker 4: In your budget. Yeah, she said it was pretty woman-esque. She felt pretty womaned.
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Speaker 3: Her range is pretty wide.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: 8223 0000. Planes, trains, automobiles this morning. When has it gone wrong? You got delayed. Was there technical drama?
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Speaker 6: Maybe.
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Speaker 3: Was anyone involved in anything as scary as the Emirates flight overnight? Yeah. The engine, as we understand it, sparks flying out the back. The captain comes over the intercom and says, we've got an engine issue and we're turning back. These are things you don't want to hear.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: If you've got a story for us, we'd love to hear it. 8223 0000. You can text us on 024808 1395.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, I was just going to say they landed to fire trucks waiting for them. Not what you want to see when you're landing at an airport.
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Speaker 3: That is just genuinely terrifying.
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Speaker 11: I know.
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Speaker 2: Knockdown.
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Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 3: Nineteen after six, the tedium of travel stories in the news very much in the last week. Greg Norman's kick-started a debate about the regularity with which Qantas is running late. We've had a Dubai flight overnight which we're going to check in on in a moment that had to be turned back because of sparks coming out of the engine. We had Of course, in just the last couple of weeks, the AFL Grand Final, where infamously, and I think, frankly, tragically, some Fremantle fans' flights were delayed or cancelled, and they missed the start of the AFL Grand Final, which I can't... God knows what they paid for those flights. Thousands of dollars. It's frankly ridiculous, actually. So we'd love to hear your stories. Con says he was delayed for seven hours in Paris while Olympic Airlines flew a replacement pilot to Paris. Then they flew us to Athens, so they'd wait for the pilot to get there.
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Speaker 12: Oh.
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Speaker 4: And Richard's got the opposite situation of what Sam Datto's in. He says the Qantas flight to Canberra turned back to Adelaide yesterday afternoon due to technical problems, and the passengers had to wait until six this morning to have another crack at getting to Canberra. So maybe that was the flight that Sam was meant to be on. It was going from Adelaide to Canberra, then he was getting on the one from Canberra home.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably what happened.
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Speaker 4: Well, it seems to be going back to Canberra this morning. But he's still going to Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: He's going to Melbourne. And Rob makes the point about planes, trains and automobiles, the classic movie. Sam probably should have just hired a car back to Adelaide and then he would have had a really fun story to tell or a completely tedious one. Hayden Nelson is at Seven News reporting on this Emirates flight. Hayden, good morning. Have you managed to catch up with any of the people on board?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, morning, guys.
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Speaker 14: So they were shuffled off into Ubers really quickly after this Emirates flight from Adelaide to Dubai. Left late last night about 10 o'clock at about 12.20, close to the South Australian, West Australian border. The captain made the decision to turn the plane back, telling the passengers on board there was a fault or fire. It's a bit unclear at the moment with the engine because I have spoken to one passenger here this morning who said that Most people were sort of asleep or having dinner. The captain's come over the intercom and has said there's an engine fault. They're going to have to turn the plane back. It sounds like that was an engine fire because another, say, Adelaide local on social media saw the plane come in and has taken to social media to say that she saw sparks flying from the engine as it was coming into Adelaide. So I managed to catch up with a couple of passengers and they did say it was all handled very... very calmly, very professionally, as you can imagine. But the one or two we have managed to catch here in the very early hours of the morning because this flight landed at about 3 a.m. We were sort of getting ready for sunrise at that time and rushed down here to the airport, but everyone was sort of already placed in Ubers and taxis into hotels. So that is what we've managed to glean from a passenger we spoke to here this morning, that something's gone wrong with the engine and it appears It was an engine fire. They have been met at the airport, as I said, very early by firefighters, escorted into the terminal. And the plane itself, which is, for the avgeeks, the bird nerds out there, it's the newest sort of A350 Airbus, the sort of specially designed one, for these long-haul flights, is sitting offside near the long-term car park at the airport, having its engine checked over at the moment to see what went so drastically wrong.
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Speaker 3: Hayden, that passenger you spoke to, did they become aware of sparks and potentially fire in the engine after the fact, or did they know when they were on board?
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Speaker 14: He said he was sitting on the other side of the plane so he didn't see it. So I'm not going to say whether he witnessed anything or whether anyone on the plane has witnessed anything. He certainly was talking to one witness in Adelaide this morning who said she was sort of half asleep, half awake, saw this plane come in out of her apartment window and said she saw sparks coming out of the engine. So That's really at this stage only come from one person. I don't want to understate it, but that is certainly what we're hearing from a witness. And then certainly announcement over the intercom that the engine was on fire. He's perhaps not big flame shooting out the back. Perhaps it was just sparks. This particular person we spoke to wasn't sitting on the side of the plane to be able to witness it himself.
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Speaker 4: Oh, gosh. Yeah, and you don't think about people around the airport as well who... see the planes coming in and going out.
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Speaker 3: We're next.
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Speaker 15: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Hayden, thank you.
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Speaker 14: I don't think it's like that, Will. To be clear, this was handled really calmly.
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Speaker 3: No, no, absolutely. I just think human nature being what it is, Hayden, of course.
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Speaker 8: Just to.
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Speaker 14: Be really clear, the planes are flying safely this morning.
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Speaker 3: Of course, of course. Hayden Nelson for Seven News here in Adelaide at the airport early this morning chatting with people that were that were on board. Let's go to Trevor in Seafood who's got a travel nightmare story for us. Trevor, good morning.
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Speaker 5: G'day.
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Speaker 16: The first guitar plane that arrived in Adelaide on its first flight, it was a new plane, had a seized engine when it landed in Adelaide and it was here for a week to.
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Speaker 17: Get a new engine.
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Speaker 3: Is that right? Were there people on board that flight, Trevor, or was it just to get the plane here to start that service?
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Speaker 16: No, there was people on it.
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Speaker 3: Oh, crikey.
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Speaker 16: But that, Magnificent landing, though. Absolutely magnificent landing. And all those international pilots, they do the right thing by the passengers. What was it? They say, have we got anybody on the plane that can fly? You know, you just get in the cockpit here and we'll let you fly the plane.
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Speaker 11: You know?
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Speaker 9: They know what they're doing.
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Speaker 10: They do.
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Speaker 16: They're great people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Are you an aviation geek, Trevor?
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Speaker 16: No, I do get to see one or two. Soon I drive a cab and I'm watching coming and going every day.
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Speaker 3: I'm always amazed how many people are there parked on Tappies Hill Road. There's a little turn off where there's 10, 15 people there.
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Speaker 4: Always with big cameras, with big lenses.
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Speaker 3: Big cameras, big lenses. Potentially a big day for the world of aviation geeks, by the way, too, with the Amelia Earhart story. The Purdue expedition to the Pacific Island where they think her plane may have been found. I loved... They're on the way at the moment.
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Speaker 4: You sent this story to our group chat.
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Speaker 3: I'm so excited by this story.
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Speaker 4: I loved the headline. They might find Amelia Earhart's plane or it could be a tree floating.
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Speaker 8: In the water.
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Speaker 3: Well, there is some conjecture it's just a palm tree that fell over. The image that they found whilst we're on the topic of aviation that they suspect is her plane that's been missing since the late 1930s was some bloke in the United States, a former Navy officer, who was just... diddling around on, you know, Google Maps, just zooming in on random islands and just looking at stuff.
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Speaker 17: Really?
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Speaker 3: And he went, that kind of looks like a plane. And he sent it to an authority that looks at, effectively an archaeological authority that looks for sunken or wrecked planes. And a few of their people went, well, hang on, let's do the dimensions. That's exactly the same size of Millie Hart's plane. So everyone's very excited about that.
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Speaker 4: That would never cross my mind as a way of killing time. just looking at things on Google Maps.
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Speaker 3: You never know what you're going to find.
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Speaker 8: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Zoom in on Pacific Islands. Make important discoveries. Here is Rick Pettigrew from Purdue University who's leading the expedition on 7 News.
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Speaker 18: They're really excited about the prospect of solving a mystery that's been bedeviling the world for the last nine decades.
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Speaker 3: They arrived there late yesterday, as I understand it, so we might get some clarity around that at some point today. It's going to be Bit of a letdown if it turns out to be a palm tree. 10.3 degrees outside in the city at the moment. Feels like 9.6. Heading for a top today of 19. This cold little snap at the moment is about to end. It won't end tomorrow. 19. Warms up Thursday. So sunny on Thursday and 22. Friday, 25. 26 Saturday. 28 Sunday. And 29 Monday. I wonder if we're going to get some 30-degree days tomorrow. in our future next week at any point.
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Speaker 4: That's exciting.
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Speaker 3: The Monday low is 18, so it's effectively the same as today and tomorrow is high. So we might be getting to that beautiful part of spring where it's starting to feel a bit more like summer. Tom Rean is in the 5AA Breakfast studio as we turn our attention to sport. Over 50 years strong, all colours, all styles, all street appeal, gliderol.com.au. Morning to you, Rennie. Morning, Will. Morning, Stacey.
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Speaker 9: Zach Butters, there's two days left of the trade period. Are we over it, Will, do you think, Stace?
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Speaker 3: As a Crows fan, I was never into it.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing to be over. There wasn't a lot. Usually it's frustrating. This year it's been sort of weirdly becalming.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Joe Ruffin says, we're not going to do anything, and we're not going to do anything.
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Speaker 9: And look, maybe that'll change in the next 36 hours, but it's been very quiet, hasn't it, there? Interesting. Yesterday, though, and on the back page today, Zach Butter's first time in Bulldogs gear. It just doesn't look right, does it?
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Speaker 3: It doesn't look right. No.
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Speaker 10: It is.
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Speaker 4: The colours, no. They don't suit him.
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Speaker 9: And the 20 cent story, lovely, but didn't we get that with Chris Grant 30 years ago? Didn't they just rehash that?
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Speaker 3: Did they?
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Speaker 5: Well, that's what.
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Speaker 3: Remember that?
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Speaker 17: Yes.
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Speaker 9: I remember that story when we were probably 10 or 12. That was the story that went around then. Remember the kid gave him 20 cents to stay at the footy club and is.
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Speaker 4: The kid like someone who works at the club's nephew i.
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Speaker 3: Think you're right actually let's just that's bogus that story yeah should we pull that dust off the 20 cent piece no one remembers it's the pre-internet.
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Speaker 9: Era it's 30 years ago only real footy nerds remember that one anyway he's um he's at the bulldogs and we know why he left there and he'll be great um so looking forward to that do i love the um Kendrick Davis, I sort of touched on it yesterday, the Kendrick Davis-Brice Cotton rivalry, that's just gold, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: It's the best thing to happen to the sport in Australia in a long time.
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Speaker 9: And the NBL, wasn't it funny, oh, we're not going to take any action? No, of course you're not. You should be giving these guys commission.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what? Far be it for me to mention, we're on the topic of trains, planes and automobiles this morning, but Ken Ickley impersonating a plane was actually pretty good for the Port Hawthorne rivalry too, but the AFL fined him for it.
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Speaker 19: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Because they don't... They don't have to be good to be successful, the AFL. The NBL has to make every post a winner, and they have here.
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Speaker 9: Yep, and they've done that, so that's good. And just a bit of a cricket update for those wondering. The Aussies on the cusp of a big win in South Africa. They need six wickets on the final day. What a comeback to test cricket for Matt Renshaw. Top scored again.
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Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 9: With 82. Didn't make 100 this time, and also took a wicket. Bit of a concern, though. Steve Smith got hit whilst batting, so it didn't return to the field, so... Maybe some issues there with the head moving forward.
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Speaker 5: We'll keep an eye on that.
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Speaker 9: Has been hit before. I remember Joffra Archer in a famous spell once. Got him in an Asher series. So we'll keep a close eye on Steve Smith and how he's tracking.
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Speaker 3: Zach Bart is in a Bulldogs jumper. Doesn't look right. What are some other things that don't look right? 8223 0000. Text us on 048 08 13 95. I've got one for you, Rennie.
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Speaker 11: Yes.
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Speaker 3: The West End Brewery chimney now being at the Moving from the brewery side to the brickworks. I'm glad it still exists. It doesn't feel right driving up Port Ryden.
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Speaker 9: It's not the same.
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Speaker 3: Seeing the sample winners recognised in that way. It's not the same. What else doesn't look right, folks?
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Speaker 9: I like it.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't look right when Rennie's wearing full pants.
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Speaker 3: Well, hypothetically, I've never actually seen it. He's not got pants on today, have you? No, no pants. He's in the shorts. You just don't imagine it.
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Speaker 9: You continue to be shocked and just disgusted every morning.
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Speaker 3: If you see Tom Renn in pants, it's AI. You just know it's not real. Good on you, Rennie. Thanks, guys.
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Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 3: 20 to 7. In a moment, Brad Perry, the CEO of the Grain Producers SA, will join us. They have been armed, well, their regions have been armed with more firefighting equipment ahead of what is expected to be, well, two things, a bumper grain harvest in South Australia, but also a potentially very deadly fire season ahead because the expectation we're going to have less rain and there's going to be a hell of a lot more fuel on the ground. So we'll get to Brad Perry in just a moment.
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Speaker 4: We were talking about flight disasters this morning and, you know, transport issues. I saw another story, Will, about a Qantas flight which was flying to Perth from Rome and the passengers on board were being bitten by bedbugs.
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Speaker 3: Oh, no. When did this happen?
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Speaker 4: Mid-flight, October 9. I was reading it on news.com. So on board they were given antihistamines. on medical advice, but the supplies ran out because that many people needed the antihistamines for the bedbugs.
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Speaker 3: That sounds like a sort of straight-to-Netflix horror film, being eaten alive by bedbugs on an international flight. Because you can't go anywhere. That's horrific. So they were either in the chairs or in the rugs they were handing out to people. And Perth to Rome, not exactly a short- Not a short flight. Oh, that might be the worst story we've heard thus far. And we did have Sam Datto's flight this morning. delayed due to a case of a violent stomach illness. So that's saying something. Mark in Hove's got a flight story for us. Morning, Mark.
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Speaker 20: Good morning.
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Speaker 21: How are we this morning?
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Speaker 3: We're good, Mark.
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Speaker 21: Look, in the 90s, my wife and I went for a bit of a short trip. So we flew from Adelaide to Sydney and then Sydney to... Lord Howe Island and it was a great couple of days and then we flew on the idea was to fly on to Norfolk Island so we got on the airport at Lord Howe Island and they weigh you and they weigh your luggage and so forth anyway we got on the plane and we're all excited and we're halfway up taxiing up the strip and the whole plane just stops and we're sitting okay what's going on so this is only a small plane it's only got about 16 seats and there was only four people on there anyway the pilot wanders back and he says look we're not going anywhere, we haven't got enough fuel to get to Norfolk Island. And we say, what do you mean we haven't got enough fuel? He says, yep, we actually haven't got any fuel.
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Speaker 4: What?
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Speaker 14: Yes.
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Speaker 3: How'd they get to the taxing part without realising there was no petrol in the tank?
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Speaker 21: Well, these were the days where the pilots were a little bit more intimate and that sort of thing. And actually, the pilot just said, because there was only one pilot, he just said, look, someone's just.
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Speaker 13: Forgotten To fill up.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 21: And we just go, yeah, yeah, it's just like a Monty Python skit and that sort of thing. Anyway, we're on the tarmac and we just wait there for 10, 15 minutes. And there's Nan and Pop come out with their Land Cruiser, a little trailer and a pump. So they start pumping.
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Speaker 4: They brought the jerry can out.
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Speaker 21: You are kidding. And they start pumping it up. And we're just watching out the window and that sort of thing. And of course, This little plane hasn't got.
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Speaker 8: A toilet as well, so that.
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Speaker 21: Leads to another little problem. And that sort of thing. Anyway, my wife says, I hope we're going to make it. And I go, we're going to make it, no worries. Anyway, so we finally took off and we landed in Norfolk Island. We had a great holiday and that sort of thing. But two weeks later, tragically, that plane actually fell into the sea. So we actually were on the same plane, Seaview Air, It fell into the sea. You're kidding. Yes, we were on that plane.
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Speaker 19: Oh, gee.
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Speaker 21: That's terrible.
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Speaker 14: That's the tragic part.
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Speaker 21: But we still talk about it now. It's terrible that those people died. But we just said, how could you... Did somebody not have a dipstick? Did someone... Well, maybe somebody was a dipstick. But wasn't somebody just checked to see... You know, stick your finger in the tank to see.
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Speaker 3: If you have enough petrol. Well, yeah, you'd imagine there's a gauge, wouldn't you? I mean, I've caught out the race engineers at Bathurst, I suppose, too, so maybe aeronautic engineers are not too dissimilar. When you think of the pre-flight checks that planes have to go through, and they are exhaustive with regard to checking the electronics are working, checking the flaps, checking the levers, checking the... You walk around to the plane. They check everything. The idea that the fuel wouldn't ever be checked, that doesn't sound great. Mark, what a remarkable story. October 1994, we just had a look, is when the really tragic part of that story all transpired. Let's turn our attention to South Australia's regions because they are going to be the recipient of a great deal more firefighting equipment. Three fixed-wing water bombers, two helicopters now going to be located at Port Pirie for the very first time to allow for rapid response in the event of grass fires. The fear for grass fires that we mentioned a moment ago is twofold. One, because we're going to get a great grain season, it looks like. And two, because the expectation from this point, it's going to be really dry and there's a lot more fuel out there. Brad Perry, the CEO of the Grain Producers Association. Brad, good morning. Part of this story, whilst we're obviously concerned about the fire danger season ahead, it's predicated on what sounds like a pretty good crop for you guys. Is that fair to say?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, good morning, guys.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, no, it's an absolute bumper. We're heading for what we think will be a record in South Australia. So the conditions have been right and the crops are huge in some areas. So it's definitely put a smile on the faces of many after a couple of tough years.
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Speaker 3: Are all your farmers put more at ease when you've got equipment like this stationed nearby?
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Speaker 20: Oh, look, it's one of those things where we operate in a... There is risk. So you've got a dry crop, you've got heavy machinery moving through. Every season we do C5. So we're fully aware of that. But we certainly welcome extra state government support this year because there is plenty of fuel load out there in paddocks. Although, interestingly, the CFS did say it's only an above-average risk. So it really depends on the weather, I guess. You know, it was actually... Very risky in the drought years as well because it was a lot drier, even though there wasn't a fuel load there. But as I said, every year there's a fire risk when we're going to harvest with heavy machinery on crops. So we certainly welcome having those extra resources for the first time.
00:24:54
Speaker 3: So potentially record crops, Brad. I imagine there's not probably going to be record takings from farmers, given the degree to which diesel... prices will eat into those profits. How significant are they? Is it still going to be farmers coming out ahead or are you guys having to have record sort of crops just to keep your head above water at the moment?
00:25:19
Speaker 20: Yeah, it depends where you're based really and there's varying levels, but certainly most would have taken in some form of debt over the last couple of years to get through the drought years. And this season is looking good. Prices are generally holding okay in some areas. There's a couple of commodities that have dropped off a bit. Unfortunately, lentils is one of them. There's plenty of lentils out there. But overall, I think this is the season that we had to have just to get most back on track. So yeah, really important that we get a little bit of money back into the pockets of farmers. Unfortunately, diesel price has taken a bit of the gloss off that and Hopefully it doesn't keep rising.
00:26:02
Speaker 4: Brad, while we've got you, I wanted to ask you about the consultation that's happening at the moment on the Local Nuisance Act. Some farming practices could be considered a nuisance and could be subject to complaints to local councils. I'm assuming this is something that your members aren't too happy about?
00:26:23
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, we're actually drafting a submission to that as we speak, so It is, I guess, quite an interesting one because it's almost like legislation which has gaps in it. So I think the gaps have just been pointed out. I'm not sure that it's really targeted at farmers being a nuisance as such. I think there's just some loopholes that need to be tidied up in that legislation to make sure that grain producers and other farmers aren't feeling the unintended consequences of that. On a separate note, there are some other challenges around some changes to practices that SafeWorks bring in around grain dust and some of the other crop protection tools that we use. We were thankfully able to get a delay on one of them, which we use in grain storage to get rid of weevils and other pests. Thankfully, that's been delayed, which means that otherwise we'd have unworkable practices during what's going to be a record harvest.
00:27:26
Speaker 3: Well, you guys deserve a bit of luck after the last few years, Brad, so I'm glad to hear you're going to have a record harvest. That's good stuff. Brad Perry, the CEO of the Grain Producers here in South Australia. The Crown Princess has just turned up and it's begun its final approach at Outer Harbour. Robyn says, with picture evidence, that the Crown Princess has just done the turnaround at the basin. A terrific photograph from what looks like a little bit earlier. It was a little darker and the ships all lit up. It looks spectacular. About 3,000 people on board that'll be In Adelaide, probably catching the train up into the city, I imagine, at some point today. 1,200 crew on board as well, likely to be enjoying everything there is to enjoy in Adelaide in October as well on this Tuesday. So you might hear some different accents and see some different people around town. David Crock from the Bureau of Meteorology joins us. David, what kind of day are they going to get in Adelaide?
00:28:14
Speaker 19: Morning, Will.
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Speaker 10: Morning, Fancy. Yeah, look, it's not ideal, but it's not too bad. It's pretty cool at the moment. So going for a top of 19 degrees both today and tomorrow. Might be a couple of little showers down south around the hills and the peninsula there, but the city should stay dry, albeit kind of cloudy. So, yeah, 19 today and tomorrow, but then warming up as we get towards the weekend. I'm sure those cruise ship passengers won't be staying that long, unfortunately, but it's going to be a beautiful weekend with 26 on the forecast for Saturday and 28 on Sunday. No real rain in the forecast. Plenty of sunshine to come through the second half of the weekend into the weekend.
00:28:49
Speaker 3: All right, good stuff, David. Thank you, David Crockett, the Weather Bureau. Let's head to SAPOL. Senior Constable Liam Bennett joins us. Liam, we're going to cross live to the scene after 7 o'clock, but what can you tell us about what we understand are four cars that were set alight at the Yatla Prison car park this morning?
00:29:04
Speaker 19: Yeah, it was 4 o'clock this morning. The police and fire crews were called to the correctional facility on Peter Brown Drive following reports of, as you said, several cars ablaze. Now, MFS worked quickly to extinguish the fires, but that wasn't before two Mitsubishi station wagons and two Toyota sedans were completely destroyed. Now, investigations are obviously continuing into this incident and are certainly in their early stages. What we're doing at the moment is we're just asking anyone who witnessed any suspicious behaviour in the area overnight or anyone with dash cam footage in the area at around 4am this morning, if you can please contact Crime Stoppers online or 1800 333 000.
00:29:45
Speaker 4: And tell us what happened at Christy Downs.
00:29:47
Speaker 19: Yeah, police and fire crews were called to a property on Humphrey Street about 4.30 this morning that was following reports of a house fire. Again, fire crews extinguished the blaze, which caused extensive damage to this unoccupied and vacant property. No injuries were reported and fire cause investigators are heading out to the scene this morning as the investigations into the fire continue. Again, we're just asking anyone that saw any suspicious activity in the area to please contact Crime Stoppers 1-800-333-000 or online.
00:30:17
Speaker 3: And just lastly, Liam, an 18-year-old's got himself in a bit of trouble, caught drink driving in Harndorf.
00:30:21
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right. It was just before 1 o'clock this morning that Mount Barker patrols saw a Red Ford sedan failing to indicate. They stopped the vehicle and subjected the P-Plater to an ALCO test. And she was returned a positive reading of 0.187. She was reported for drink driving, breaching her P conditions, and she was given a 12-month instant loss of licence.
00:30:45
Speaker 3: All right, Liam, thank you. Senior Constable Liam Bennett from SAPOL.
00:30:50
Speaker 1: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:30:58
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:31:03
Speaker 3: Four to seven. You might recall last week we had a terrific chat with Howard McPherson, who's a prostate cancer sufferer, who spoke to us about the decision the federal government has taken to stop funding the Prostate Cancer Foundation's specialist nurses service. He said these nurses are lifesavers. The experience he told us about with his personal nurse, who has a decade plus worth of experience working with people with prostate cancer, was invaluable for his recovery and how he's managed his illness. The reason we spoke to him is because that funding was taken away. Well, it looks like this one might be headed for the courts. The Prostate Cancer Foundation of Australia is having a look at their legal options. The money hasn't just been saved in inverted inverted commas it has been uh the contract has been awarded a five-year 46.5 million dollar contract to the mcgrath foundation uh who run a a breast cancer uh nursing program that they want to expand out to include all cancers so they'd be a one-stop shop for these sort of supportive nursing uh the prostate cancer foundation say well hang on we're specialists who are offering something unique and has anyone been consulted Anne Savage is the CEO of the Prostate Cancer Foundation and joins us now. Anne, good morning.
00:32:18
Speaker 22: Thanks for having me on the program.
00:32:21
Speaker 3: No, good to have you on, Anne. What's the potential for legal action here?
00:32:27
Speaker 22: What we've done at the moment is we've written to Mark Butler, the health minister, requesting a statement of reasons for the decision. You know, while the government can issue grants at its own discretion. What it should not be doing is making grants of this scale and this order without any credible plan, any evidence to back it up, and any reasons for the decision itself to take funding away from an organisation that the government itself had said not too long ago was the only organisation in the country who can deliver this service, and that's PCFA. So we've requested a statement of reasons that a response is required within 28 days and then we will use the minister's response to inform our next step.
00:33:19
Speaker 3: In the absence of that document detailing the government's reasoning, do you suspect this is a case of they had an opportunity to fund nurses at a reduced price and simply went with, they went with that?
00:33:35
Speaker 22: We can only speculate on what the health minister might be thinking right now. But what I can tell you is that our specialist nursing service saves lives and we have the evidence to that. We will be presenting that evidence to all parliamentarians this Thursday in Canberra and we do hope that the minister will take the time to listen.
00:33:56
Speaker 4: Was there any consultation done with patients or the nurses who provide these crucial services before the decision was made?
00:34:04
Speaker 22: Look, this I think is probably one of the things that shocked us the most, not just the decision itself, but the way in which it was handled. So we were given no prior notice.
00:34:15
Speaker 23: We were called into a.
00:34:15
Speaker 22: Meeting and then within an hour, the minister announced it publicly, causing fairly serious distress among our workforce of 131 specialist nurses who then learned of the news. through the television or through the grapevine in their hospitals when a third party sent out an email about it. So we were deeply dismayed and disappointed with how this had been handled by the government.
00:34:42
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully you get some answers this week in Canberra. Anne, thank you for your time this morning.
00:34:47
Speaker 3: Anne Savage, the CEO of the Prostate Cancer Foundation of Australia. Jeez, it's getting easy to do lists on things that you question the judgment of this government. Now, and look, I appreciate... if you're in the business of trying to pare back spending, you're going to inevitably run into worthy causes that are going to be sacrificed. That's part of the reason governments don't do it, because you're going to have to have hard conversations. But it is intriguing the fight that this government's decided to pick and those they haven't. So the over 65s private health rebate, the prostate cancer nurses, the veterans' annual health cap, these are things they've stood strong on and been happy to fight the fight on, which is.
00:35:29
Speaker 3: It's a weird place, weird hill to die on in the name of fixing the bottom line when we could sit here all day and list other examples of where the government has been totally loose with the checkbook. Spending? Spending like it's going out of fashion. And yet, you pick over 65s who want private health, veterans, and prostate cancer sufferers as the place you're going to push back and start saving money.
00:35:56
Speaker 4: How much money are they saving? It's... With prostate cancer nurses being removed.
00:36:03
Speaker 3: This particular contract is worth $ 46 million. Yeah. That's, what is that, one-tenth of a Papua New Guinean football team?
00:36:16
Speaker 1: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:36:24
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:36:29
Speaker 3: Eight after seven, good morning to you. Welcome to a cool-ish sort of start to the Tuesday. It's overcast outside. Another 24 hours of this kind of weather, and then after that, it's going to start warming up again and feeling well and truly like spring. Coming up this half hour, we're going to talk about disconnections, both of businesses and private residences as a result of surging power prices. Sandro Canali will be on in just a moment. We'll cross to Yatla, where a number of cars have been attacked, firebombed, it looks like, The motive remains unclear, but they appear to belong to people that work at the prison, to corrections staff. So we'll check in with Bianca Wiley, who's reporting on this for the Today Show, in just a moment. We've got a jury trial. Phil Currie coming up. We'll wrap and have a look forward for the week in federal politics. Big thanks to everyone who's down at Outer Harbour as well, sending us pictures of the cruise. How about this? Michael's parents are on the cruise. Michael says, my parents are on the Crown Princess cruise. It's on around Australia cruise started in Sydney. My parents are from Adelaide and dad's booked in a doctor's appointment this morning. Well, Michael's dad, I hope everything's okay. He says he's catching up with him for lunch. That's convenient. On your trip around, you drop in at your local GP. Stop into your local. Stop in at your regular GP.
00:37:40
Speaker 4: Pick up the mail while he's at it. and then get back to your holiday.
00:37:44
Speaker 3: It's a very convenient way of getting around, travelling around Australia. Thank you for that, Michael. 8223 0000 is the number. You can text us on 04808 1395. Let's go to Yatla. Bianca Wiley for the Today Show. Good morning to you. Just describe the scene for us, because we understand broadly what's happened there, but what does it look like?
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Speaker 7: Good morning to you, Will, and also Stacey there too. Well, currently there's not a whole lot to tell you about the scene now. There is a temporary barricade that prison staff had put across the entrance, basically, into the prison to stop cars from driving in. But earlier this morning, we, of course, did see firefighters and a lot of police. But in terms of how anyone could even gain entry into Yatla Prison, there isn't a gate stopping them to go into that car park where those cars were, which is the staff car park. So four cars in that car park were torched. And the vision that we're showing this morning on the Today Show, you can see that these cars have been completely destroyed. But there's only a sign out the front which just says no entry, so there's nothing really stopping anyone from walking in. And this happened just before four this morning.
00:38:59
Speaker 4: So, Bianca, the suggestion is that they belong to staff who work there at Yatla Prison Guards because at that time I imagine it's not really visiting hours.
00:39:07
Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
00:39:08
Speaker 7: Yeah, it does appear that way, Stacey, because they were in the staff car park. Obviously, it's not confirmed at the moment that they were staff vehicles, but everything points to that.
00:39:18
Speaker 3: Have you had an opportunity to chat with any of the staff? They're mostly public servants, so they're notoriously shy, Bianca. But has anyone come out and inspected their car or seen it burnt out?
00:39:28
Speaker 11: Where we are, which is behind.
00:39:30
Speaker 7: A barricade, we can't really see what's been happening in that car park. So I can't give you any further details about that at this stage.
00:39:39
Speaker 3: Alright, not a problem Bianca, thank you. We look forward to seeing those pictures over the course of the day and getting to the bottom of what's going on there.
00:39:45
Speaker 4: I've been there before, former police reporter, so you spend a lot of time at Yatla. It's a Yeah, Bianca's right. The car park is visible from the main road.
00:39:53
Speaker 3: So it's totally accessible from the main road?
00:39:56
Speaker 4: Anyone can drive in and anyone can park in the car park. So yeah, it's not like it would have been extremely difficult to access the staff car park at the state's most secure prison. It's right there for everyone to see and walk into and drive into.
00:40:10
Speaker 3: Well, you'd imagine it'd be fairly well furnished with CCTV. So hopefully we'll get some sort of clarity around what's happened there. We're looking to get some clarity around what's happening with electricity and energy bill related, and gas for that matter, disconnections. Disconnection cases to the Energy and Water Ombudsman have jumped 60% in the past financial year. That's according to its annual report. However, this is only a slight increase. in cases handled by the office of the Ombudsman, Sandra Canale, up 1% to 9,334 cases. Sandy, good morning to you and thanks for joining us. To what do we owe that discrepancy? Are people not taking up on your services? Are they resigned to their fate? Why is there such a massive jump in terms of disconnections and not so in terms of inquiries to your office?
00:40:58
Speaker 17: Well, I think the first part is a good news story. That is that the supplier's are managing complaints that are going to them directly, which is the way it should work. So I think, you know, the industry overall is doing a reasonable job at trying to manage complaints that come to them that obviously then don't need our intervention. However, in the numbers, what we have seen is the number of cases that where a customer is either facing disconnection or has actually been disconnected has increased significantly from the previous year. And that is a concern.
00:41:34
Speaker 3: So 9,334 cases. So that's nearly 10,000 disconnections in what, one financial year?
00:41:40
Speaker 15: No, no, no.
00:41:40
Speaker 17: Hang on. No, the 9,300 cases is overall. That represents every case that we deal with. So that can be anything.
00:41:48
Speaker 3: From a customer service issue.
00:41:50
Speaker 17: That's right, to a connection. It can be anything and everything.
00:41:53
Speaker 3: So how many disconnections are we having over the course of that period of the last financial year?
00:41:59
Speaker 17: Well, between the three different fuels, predominantly they're going to be gas and electricity. They're around 700.
00:42:06
Speaker 10: 700.
00:42:06
Speaker 3: Do we know what the breakdown is of that residential V business?
00:42:10
Speaker 17: The majority will be residential. There's very few business numbers in there. And predominantly they're going to be electricity. So these aren't necessarily all disconnections. I just need to clarify that. They are people who have received the notification that they are facing disconnection. and some action is required or they have physically been disconnected from supply. And really, the story behind that is that there are good programs that all the suppliers are required to have that provide assistance when you do get into difficulty. But the key to that is that you need to contact your supplier as soon as you possibly can and well before the due date of your bill is There are two distinct different programs that are available. The first one might be some short-term assistance, which is where essentially you just need some cash flow help to get you through to the next bill, and they're pretty straightforward. And then there are other circumstances where perhaps there's something more substantial, loss of a job or some other significant event in someone's life where a longer-term program is required. And when approached.
00:43:20
Speaker 17: I must say that the suppliers do do a reasonable job. And part of the problem is that I think customers don't understand that there is this support out there and it's available to everyone.
00:43:31
Speaker 5: It's legislated.
00:43:32
Speaker 17: So, you know, it's not as if it's something that's elective. And whilst they'll vary between different suppliers, different suppliers will have different assistant packages in terms of how they help you through that process. But they are all required to help you.
00:43:44
Speaker 3: It's actually heartbreaking. Imagine being one of those hundreds of families in facing the potential of not being able to pay the bill. There are those that are discreet, but even those that are just in that space, there's this economic theory about mortgage distress and mortgage arrears are always a great barometer for how close the economy is to disaster because everyone always pays the mortgages. Your last cents will go into keeping a house over the roof of your head and get the feeling electricity and gas is probably pretty close to that in terms of you've got any spare dollars that's going to that before anything else.
00:44:16
Speaker 17: Yeah, you're right, Will. And some people feel that there's a stigma in terms of asking for help. My response to that is there's no such thing. These things are put in place and they're put in place to provide assistance. So the key to it is to ask for help.
00:44:32
Speaker 18: It's there.
00:44:33
Speaker 17: And I can tell you that there are many, many customers on support programs. And sometimes it's beyond that a little bit too. What we find when we intervene is that sometimes quite often customers are not on the right plan for them or they're not understanding how their plan actually operates because obviously if you are on something like a time of use type tariff, which a lot of us are or have been moved to, you know, using or moving your energy to a different time slot, if it's possible, of course, because it doesn't always work for everyone, can save you a fair bit of money. Getting onto the right plan and I strongly encourage any customer to jump onto the Energy Made Easy website, which is the government website. and have a look around and see what else is available for you because quite often there's a big difference between the dearest plan and the cheapest plan. If you don't feel confident doing that, we also say, look, just ring your supplier and say, you know, what else is there? What else can you do for me? You know, I've been a customer with you for a while. You know, is there something else that you can offer me which is better than what I have? And the third tip is on every bill that you get, There should be a little box at the front which basically tells you whether that supplier has actually got a better plan anyway because quite often customers just continue to roll over plan into plan into plan, but it's not always to their advantage.
00:45:52
Speaker 4: It's some really good tips there. I recently did it with my energy provider. I just rang up and said, am I on the best plan possible? And they said, give me a second. No, you're not. Would you like to be on it? Yes, please. So it took maybe all of 10 minutes to get put on a better plan to make sure I wasn't paying more than I needed to. So yeah, it can be that easy. But I wonder, Sandy, do you compare this data to other states? How does SA stack up? And is this about the high electricity prices we pay? I think we're the highest in the country.
00:46:23
Speaker 17: I think you'll find, look, we haven't compared the data at this stage because we're all in the process of releasing annual reports at the moment. But what I can say is that all of us are seeing a similar trend. It'll vary between jurisdiction in terms of what's actually happening. And I think it's just, look, whether it's high electricity or whatever, I think it's just the general mix of this bill arrives either monthly or quarterly or whatever, and it's just another bill that you have to face and pay. So I think what we're seeing here is not dissimilar to what we might be seeing in the eastern states or anywhere else for that matter.
00:47:02
Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
00:47:03
Speaker 3: Sandra, thank you for that. Sandra Canale, the Energy and Water Ombudsman, some really important information about how to improve your own personal circumstance, but some great intel with regard to the people that are doing it most tough in our community at the moment as well. Appreciate that. That was fascinating. Eighteen after seven, we're going to take a break. On the other side of it, we're going to discuss the live streaming of this US Army execution that's going to take place in the United States. Pete Hegseth and Donald Trump would like this to be live streamed as sort of a warning to anyone. I mean, the guy who did this is not going to elicit any sympathy from anyone. He killed someone who was pregnant, as I understand it, as well in the process of killing a whole bunch of people at a base there. But the danger is you broadcast it live in America and invariably it will be broadcast in some way here in Australia. Now, some in politics would like that to be stopped preemptively. We're going to talk about how achievable that is and get into those sorts of discussions on the other side of this break.
00:48:01
Speaker 1: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:48:09
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:48:13
Speaker 3: 23 after 7, Wendy in Salisbury Park's called into the program. Good morning to you, Wendy.
00:48:19
Speaker 11: Hello, Will. I want to talk about the prison. I've lived out that way my whole life until now and anyhow... About the new setup at the prison there, they build all those buildings at the front, right on the footpath, more or less, and put a solid fence up. But the staff car park is not even closed in with boom gates or anything. You've got to go down further to go through the boom gates to actually get into the prison. And most of the prison guards park their car in the car park at the back of the RSL Hall on the side there near.
00:49:02
Speaker 11: That restaurant there, and you can't even get a car park even if you want to go to the RSL Hall itself because it's all full of prison guards' cars 24-7.
00:49:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. That's interesting. Wendy, thank you. Appreciate it. We're waiting clarity around some of the details. of what's happened there. It looks like from the images we've seen, there wasn't exactly a full car park when these cars were attacked in the wee hours of this morning. But that's interesting, Wendy. Thank you. Appreciate you calling in. Remember, you can call in at any time. We love your insights, folks.
00:49:33
Speaker 23: 8223 0000.
00:49:33
Speaker 3: Or text us on 04808 1395. You might have a view of about the desire that exists in Australia to block the live streaming of an event that scarcely would have seemed believable if I'd said this to you even just a couple of months ago. The US Defence Secretary, Pete Hegseth, in conjunction with the US President, Donald Trump, want to live stream the firing squad execution of Nidal Malik Hassan.
00:50:05
Speaker 17: Now....
00:50:06
Speaker 3: Nadal Malik Hassan killed 12 people and a civilian and their unborn child in 2009. The shooting at Fort Hood military base. So sentenced to death by firing squad. They want the event broadcast live on the 3rd of December, which raises the specter of a whole host of debates that are ongoing in Australia at the moment about our desire and capacity to prevent these sorts of images from being seen in Australia. My sense is that this is impossible to prevent. I would have thought something that's been broadcast into the U.S. would require a massive degree of cooperation from social media, which to this point they haven't demonstrated any desire or capacity to do to prevent it getting here. But maybe I'm too much of a pessimist. Sarah Cow is the director of the Elias Justice at Monash Law and the vice president of the Capital Punishment Justice Project. Sarah, good morning to you and thanks for joining us today. It feels as though, I saw Barnaby Joyce make the comment that this shouldn't be broadcast in Australia. It seems like there's broad political consensus that we shouldn't see this. So the question is, can we prevent it from coming here?
00:51:12
Speaker 11: Yes.
00:51:12
Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me, Will and Stacey. And it has been really pleasing to see completely across our political spectrum agreement that this is just abhorrent. The first thing to really note is that the person who's set to be executed, Hassan's, actually has a number of avenues of appeal still available to him, which his lawyer is considering filing. So I actually think the likelihood of this proceeding on the 3rd of December or even during this term of the Trump administration is pretty low.
00:51:47
Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting. Because the average time for death row inmates in the United States is decades, isn't it? Because of all those avenues of appeal.
00:51:55
Speaker 19: Exactly.
00:51:56
Speaker 6: In America, you have at least nine levels of constitutional rights to appeal. And we know that this guy hasn't exhausted them. So I also think Peter Hedges knows that too. So I think a lot of this is about.
00:52:12
Speaker 6: Raising fear and raising this debate that whether or not it really happens. And it's actually unclear at the moment whether President Trump himself supports this. He says he's still thinking about it like it's some type of reality to the outcome that we're waiting on.
00:52:27
Speaker 4: So let's assume the appeals take place and the live streaming is allowed to happen in America. Is there any law in Australia that could prevent it from being broadcast here or has social media just totally removed that as an option?
00:52:45
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not an expert on social media regulation in Australia. I have seen, you know, the reporting, you know, around the Greens writing to the Safety Commissioner and this issue definitely being raised in the Albanese government, you know, saying that social media platforms need to take responsibility for what they broadcast. What is kind of concerning is that it's not already really clear that you shouldn't even have the ability to broadcast state sanctioned killing, whether it's lawful or unlawful. Like if kind of bizarre divide between, you know, you can't broadcast an unlawful killing, but you can broadcast it if the state allows you to do that type of murder. It just shows how absurd this situation is. And on the other hand, it does lift the veil on execution. We do get to have these conversations, but the fact that most people are repelled by it just shows how deeply problematic executions are in general.
00:53:49
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:53:50
Speaker 3: Well, Sarah, thank you. Sarah Cowell, the Director of the L.S. Justice at Monash Law and Vice President of the Capital Punishment Justice Project. I mean, that's a reasonable point to make. This might be well and truly delayed. For me, I know some people are sort of excited about, on our text line, Rob and others saying, I can't wait to watch.
00:54:09
Speaker 17: I'm so surprised.
00:54:09
Speaker 4: I feel, I can't believe we're in Australia in 2026 talking about this. Isn't this what the terrorists do? They execute people and post it online? Why are we doing what?
00:54:24
Speaker 3: I think whether you want to watch it or not is a matter of taste, and that's personally. But I would have thought the whole spectacular self-defeating, because what is it? These sorts of fundamentalists get off on this kind of public sacrifice. This is a recruitment video that will be edited up by the United States government. They'll say it'll be the greatest recruitment tool you're ever going to get. They love this kind of stuff. I just don't know why you provide them with that kind of material. You can still do it, but the whole showcasing of it to me seems self-defeating because elements of our society find this appalling. Fundamentalist terrorists don't. They see this as martyrdom, as a celebration of sacrifice, as a life well lived. I don't think we need to be feeding people of that mentality with some more ammunition.
00:55:22
Speaker 4: It's not deterring anyone. There's no one that's going to watch that that's saying, Actually, I was going to attack an army base in America and kill a bunch of people, but now I won't. Just because I saw what happened to that guy, I won't do that. That doesn't happen.
00:55:36
Speaker 3: In fact, it might attract a few more to do it.
00:55:37
Speaker 4: If they're going to do it, they're going to do it.
00:55:39
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's an interesting debate, and it's well and truly happening on the text line as we speak.
00:55:45
Speaker 1: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it.
00:55:52
Speaker 2: All for you. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:55:57
Speaker 3: 19 to 8. We've been in touch with the Adelaide Zoo this morning because I think we have now an entry into a category of creature that Stace has not existed beyond before the last five years, the internet famous cute animal.
00:56:13
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:56:14
Speaker 3: So Mu Deng, the pygmy hippopotamus. Global fame. I reckon everyone with a social media account has seen Mu Deng, and if you haven't, Google it. Incredibly cute.
00:56:22
Speaker 9: Very cute.
00:56:23
Speaker 3: Pesto the penguin at Melbourne Aquarium. Punch the macaque in Japan.
00:56:29
Speaker 4: Don't get me started on Punch.
00:56:30
Speaker 3: I'm about to cry just thinking about Punch. Punch the macaque who was abandoned.
00:56:35
Speaker 4: By- Rejected by his mum and then rejected by the whole troop and the only people that were nice to Punch- were the keepers in the Japanese zoo, and they gave him a little monkey toy that he would hold, and that was the only thing that would cuddle him.
00:56:49
Speaker 3: Stop it. Well, we might have our own punch. With Cassie, who was abandoned by her family at Rockhampton Zoo and is now here in Adelaide, and similar to Punch and Mudeng and Pesto the penguin– Just a beautiful little animal, a lovely story. Four-month-old Cassie, who is now not allowed to be with her new troop, but is kind of watching from behind bars. They had sort of stuff set up so you could get acquainted with what's going to be the new family. Health, behaviour, it's all looking really good. We wanted to check in with the zoo because I think we've got a phenomenon on our hands. Cassie is just sensational.
00:57:25
Speaker 4: Cassie's going to be a star. I hope they accept her.
00:57:28
Speaker 3: Here's John Allen from the Monado Safari Park.
00:57:30
Speaker 13: So far, the signs have been really good. We've seen some of our adult males coming up to the mesh and the windows wanting to engage, you know, play behaviours or what they do for play, which has been really.
00:57:41
Speaker 3: Good to sort of see that.
00:57:44
Speaker 11: It is.
00:57:45
Speaker 3: Mother Nature is savage.
00:57:47
Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
00:57:48
Speaker 3: Isn't it? But it sounds like hopefully it'll be a happy ending for Cassie with a new family here in Adelaide.
00:57:54
Speaker 4: I love the new elephant enclosure at Monato.
00:57:56
Speaker 15: Amazing.
00:57:56
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet, but I.
00:57:58
Speaker 4: The chimps are my favourite.
00:57:59
Speaker 17: Yeah.
00:58:00
Speaker 4: We took Molly to see the chimps at Monato and it was so funny just seeing them playing with each other. And there was a little one, I can't remember the name of the small one, but he was just wreaking havoc. He was going and playing pranks on all the old... It was just so fun to watch.
00:58:15
Speaker 9: It was great.
00:58:16
Speaker 3: Yeah. Page three of the ties of this morning. If you haven't gone out to the lawn and got your paper yet, folks, or looked at it online, you'll see, Cassie, and you'll see exactly what we're talking about. We think we have a new internet phenomenon on our hands here and a lovely little story as well. We will be checking with the zoo a little bit later. All right, let's head to the nation's capital. Phil Currie is the political editor of the Australian Financial Review. Morning to you, Phil.
00:58:39
Speaker 5: Morning, Will. Morning, Stacey.
00:58:40
Speaker 3: Phil's thought the coalition had a pretty good week, Phil, but they probably didn't need Josh Frydenberg popping up all of a sudden.
00:58:46
Speaker 5: The festival of Josh is underway, yes. Look, it's... I guess it was always going to happen. Yeah, I mean, they're not going to gate the coalition, but they're actually having a better time than they have for a long time. We've seen the government start to come unstuck in the last couple of weeks over all the spending and interest rates. And I think for the first time in a long time, the coalition feels like they've got a fighting chance. The economy is their strength. and voters are starting to worry about the management of the economy, and the polls show that the coalition's the one they trust more than the other two parties to manage it. So just when they're getting a little bit of clear air, along comes the former treasurer with a new book, sort of pointing out everything the coalition is doing wrong and throwing a few ideas out there, one of which is an increase to the GST to fund income tax cuts. And, look, that's a worthy sort of topic of discussion, but not sort of five weeks out from the Victorian election and a cost-of-living crisis. And, of course, with Josh, it's always about, is he going to come back? And if he does come back, it's only with one goal in mind, and that is to be leader. So it just... sort of muddies all that stuff again, gets everyone looking at their shoulder. And, you know, in question time yesterday, you know, you could see the government was just having a great time with it all and it really sort of eased the pressure on the government. You know, they're under fire for it at the moment and they were just sort of poking fun at the coalition over Frydenberg and leadership and things like that. So everyone's a bit annoyed at the timing of it and the sort of messiah complex that comes with it. Now, there's nothing wrong with, I mean, everyone would want him back. He's very talented. Goodness knows they need all the support they have, all the horsepower they can get in the coalition, but it's just sort of the nature of the way it's being done. It's just annoyed more than a few people.
01:00:35
Speaker 4: It just feels like this is a constant thing with the Liberal Party, Phil. And I know it happens in Labor too, but they're just better at keeping it behind closed doors and You know, not being so public.
01:00:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can be. They weren't in the past. I think we've had this sort of eerie four years of super stability from Labour, which is really, which is, you know, very un-Labour-like. I mean, look, all political parties, Stacey, when it's going wrong, just blow up, right? And, you know, we saw the years of civil war with Labour, the Red Gillard years, and one of the reasons they're so... they're so united now is because of, you know, they realise the damage they caused. But, you know, having said that, the unity in the coalition now is pretty strong. Like, internally, you know, there's not, there's very little dissent. They're all on the same page. There's this collective realisation, obviously, that if they can't get themselves back into a competitive position, you know, sometime next year, the Nangistail will have to go. But for now, it's sort of all shoulders to the wheel. I think it's, You know, the Josh thing is it's external and it's serving as a distraction. That's why they're so annoyed because they sort of do have a bit of wind in their sails at the moment. You know, they've got enough problems with Pauline Hanson. They've got to compete against her. Then you've got Tony Abbott rattling around the place, you know, with the odd contribution. So it's just a distraction they don't want. But look, Frydenberg's a smart guy. I suspect he'll sort of launch his book, do all his interviews and then sort of recede a bit. But what everyone wants to know is, As someone said, pee will get off the pot. Either you're coming back or you're not. But don't drag this out for months like you did last time before the last election, before you decided not to. Just make a decision.
01:02:15
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Victorian state election, which is what, seven weeks away now?
01:02:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, something like that, yeah.
01:02:19
Speaker 3: Those polls look really good for Jess Wilson and the Libs there. Is Victoria such a unique political situation with such a deeply unpopular Labor government that have been in for a long time that there are no lessons that the federal coalition can take from the campaign that's been waged there, or do you think there are some things they can learn about both battling Labor and indeed One Nation?
01:02:39
Speaker 5: Well, everyone's watching that election, Will, because it's really, I mean, at the moment, Jess Wilson, the Liberals, they might sneak in on majority, but there's still a high possibility they might have to be in a coalition, like the majority of minority government, and they'll need the support of some One Nation MPs and some others, and so everyone's sort of watching that to see if that works as a template for what may happen federally. I think the sort of bigger lesson is, um you know i mean victoria is there is a real outlier i mean it is in dreadful condition yeah and it's a combination of two things a really bad government labour government has been in power too long and no viable opposition right so people kept electing dan andrews because the liberal party was such a hopeless joke down there um that there's just you know they didn't put up an alternative and i think the the view in the liberal party here is even with the pressures of one nation and um and, you know, how the opposition sort of fragmented the Conservative vote. There's a duty, and even Albanese actually shares this view, that you need a strong opposition. Without a strong opposition, you get a really bad government. So I think the lesson, Victoria, is don't allow Australia to be Victorianised, is the word, you know. I mean, even the federal Labour ministers refer to Victoria as Argentina. You know, it's so broken. And as a consequence, when you get a lethal combination of a really bad government and no alternative government, it just, just deteriorate. So that's really, you know, what everyone's sort of worried about. So I think that there's this sort of sense inside the coalition here that they can't allow that to happen. Otherwise, you know, yeah, the whole country could go down the gurgler, aka Victoria.
01:04:19
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Phil. Thank you. Phil Currie, the political editor of the Australian Financial Review. As we get up to 10 minutes to wait, we've got a trial by jury coming up in a moment, which means momentarily... someone is going to win $ 100 worth of Samtaz seafood. You can call in early. You don't have to know what the jury's about to be part of the jury. 8223 0000. We've got some infamous cases, in fact, where people may or may not have been highly or.
01:04:40
Speaker 4: Caught out.
01:04:41
Speaker 3: Caught out, motivated or not so motivated to be on the jury.
01:04:45
Speaker 4: Rod, I don't give a damn.
01:04:46
Speaker 3: I don't give a damn. Rod is the one exactly I'm thinking of.
01:04:50
Speaker 1: Knock down Bill 2 with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:04:58
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:05:03
Speaker 3: 6 to 8, jury time.
01:05:04
Speaker 18: In the criminal justice system, all defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain, or trial by jury.
01:05:14
Speaker 3: This is one of those trials. Hot weather coming this weekend. Great time to have some fish on the barbie or however you like to cook it and get into Samtas because it won't be fresher or better anywhere else. $ 100 goes a long way at Samtas, as you know. 8223 0000, the number to be a member for a jury this morning that I have to apologize in advance. I appreciate. how unfair the framing and timing of this is because on a day when an Emirates flight has been returned to Adelaide because fire was shooting out of the engine and you're going to be festooned with elegant images of the Crown Princess arriving at Outer Harbour today, we're asking you, what is the best way to travel? Is it the cruise or is it by plane?
01:05:57
Speaker 23: Oh.
01:05:58
Speaker 3: Cruise or plane?
01:05:59
Speaker 4: Just maybe ignore headlines of the last six hours.
01:06:03
Speaker 3: Disregard today. Although, as we've said, there's been a couple of dodgy plane-related Greg Norman-esque complaints about flight at the moment. Maybe that skews. Maybe that's all worthy for the jury to chew over. Maybe cruises have come back in a big way. Because flying is not what it once was. It was once an elegant experience with people dressed up and you got really fantastic food and Now it's sort of all been– and cruises have gone the other way. Cruises are gaining more and more spectacular.
01:06:28
Speaker 6: Yes.
01:06:28
Speaker 3: So this is going to be interesting. 8223 0000, what's the best way to travel, folks, the cruise or the flight? Cruise season starts officially today with the Crown Princess arriving in Adelaide, so it's very much on our mind.
01:06:40
Speaker 4: Leith Forrest will be on board if you're listening this afternoon. He'll tell you everything about the ship.
01:06:44
Speaker 3: Have you got any tips for Leith having broadcast from the ship before?
01:06:47
Speaker 4: Find a really good nook to stow away in. Okay. Because they always kick you off. As soon as you finish a broadcast on afternoons, they kick you off that ship as quick as they can.
01:07:00
Speaker 3: All right. There's a tip for you, Leith. Let's go to juror number one. Cruise or flight? What's the best way to travel, juror number one?
01:07:07
Speaker 13: Good morning. It's not glamorous anymore, flying. I'll take the nice, slow cruise, thanks.
01:07:14
Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you, juror number one. Juror number two, what say you?
01:07:18
Speaker 8: Yeah, good morning, guys. I won't give a damn here, but I do give a damn about this.
01:07:23
Speaker 3: Good.
01:07:24
Speaker 8: My job entails flying about two or three times a week for about 13 years, so I've popped up thousands of miles, thousands of kilometres. Look, I've got to be flying because I vomit badly when I'm on a boat.
01:07:38
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:07:40
Speaker 8: And I don't get air sick. So, yeah, look, air travel's the way to go. You want to get there quick. You don't want to be fluffing around on a boat.
01:07:47
Speaker 3: Thank you. I like it when you give a damn.
01:07:51
Speaker 8: Listen, Will, did you go and check out my session with Cornsy?
01:07:58
Speaker 3: No, I haven't heard it yet. I haven't heard it yet.
01:08:00
Speaker 8: Well, come on, go on.
01:08:01
Speaker 3: I need to get it on the podcast. Absolutely.
01:08:04
Speaker 8: Yeah, get on to it, mate.
01:08:06
Speaker 3: Thank you, juror number two. Who says you can't become famous by being an anonymous jurist? Juror number three, good morning. Flight or cruise? Cruise.
01:08:16
Speaker 23: Fly.
01:08:16
Speaker 16: Me and the wife go around Australia quite a bit. We go to Cairns, we go to Tassie and all that.
01:08:21
Speaker 11: Never had a worry on a plane.
01:08:23
Speaker 16: It's always been great.
01:08:23
Speaker 7: So I'll say flying.
01:08:25
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. During number four, what's the best way to travel? Morning.
01:08:30
Speaker 18: Being a person lucky enough to have done both ways and means of travel, I love to fly. But look, for me, I'd have to go cruise because, you know, you unpack once and it's all you can eat for two to three weeks.
01:08:44
Speaker 11: I mean... You can't really.
01:08:45
Speaker 18: Beat that, really.
01:08:46
Speaker 4: They don't weigh you when you get on and off, do they? Because I think that would be my date. It's not like being on one of those small planes where they have to.
01:08:53
Speaker 3: Even it out. No, I don't think so. Jira number five, good morning.
01:08:59
Speaker 21: Hi, Will and Stacey.
01:09:00
Speaker 6: Let's say cruising.
01:09:02
Speaker 11: Look, in a plane, you can't call bingo, you can't dance all night, and you can't eat and drink until your belly's full.
01:09:10
Speaker 3: That's a compelling argument that Jira number five's made. Helen on the text line says, no cruising for me. I couldn't stand all the boring people for weeks.
01:09:18
Speaker 4: I love Helen's text.
01:09:20
Speaker 3: Helen.
01:09:20
Speaker 4: She is ruthless.
01:09:22
Speaker 3: Helen is the most honest texter we have.
01:09:24
Speaker 4: Yep.
01:09:24
Speaker 3: And that's saying something, Helen. We love it. That's tremendous. We have $ 800 worth of Semtes seafood to give away. Who gets it?
01:09:31
Speaker 4: Well, I think Jura 5, if you weren't already convinced, that's convincing.
01:09:35
Speaker 3: That was pretty good.
01:09:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:09:36
Speaker 3: Can't yell bingo on a flight. No. People think, people look at you weirdly.
01:09:39
Speaker 4: Can't be up dancing all night.
01:09:41
Speaker 3: Well, bingo in, we've got pilots, bingo if you're a pilot means you've run out of fuel, I think.
01:09:45
Speaker 4: Oh, okay. Well, that's a bit close to home at the moment.
01:09:47
Speaker 3: Or you've reached a measurement just before you've run out of fuel that means you're in real strife, something like that. Oh, God. So, yeah, don't yell bingo on a flight. A minute to wait. Congratulations to Journum 5 for winning $ 100 worth of Samtas soup. You're certainly going to enjoy it this week as it warms up.
01:10:04
Speaker 1: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:10:12
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:10:21
Speaker 3: Nine minutes after eight, so we've just spoken with the zoo. Alan Hutton, the assistant curator for primates and carnivores, will be joining us after 8.30 today to talk about Cassie the chimp, page 3. Of the paper today. Lovely little story. You need to jump on the live stream and look at Stacey's face every time Cassie the Chimp gets mentioned.
01:10:37
Speaker 4: We're all cheering her on. She was rejected by her mum.
01:10:39
Speaker 3: Rejected by her mother. So she's come here and presumably they have a degree of confidence that this new family will take her on.
01:10:47
Speaker 4: I hope so.
01:10:48
Speaker 3: Just four months of age. She's been cradled in a keeper's arms in the paper. It looks like a baby. Just looks like a little child. Little smile on her face.
01:10:58
Speaker 4: They've got vision of her undertaking all the medical tests, and they've got the little– I'm sorry to any doctors or nurses out there, but the little– The tweezers?
01:11:06
Speaker 3: No.
01:11:08
Speaker 4: What's the thing you use to hang up your clothes?
01:11:09
Speaker 17: Peg.
01:11:10
Speaker 4: Pegs. It looks like a peg that's on her foot.
01:11:13
Speaker 3: Oh, to test her heart rate and stuff.
01:11:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, and her foot looks like a human foot. They're really– Human-like.
01:11:20
Speaker 3: They are amazingly human-like. It must be incredible working with them. We'll find out before nine o'clock. We'll be chatting with the zoo. The cruising won in our jury by one vote as the preferred way to travel over plane flight, which may or may not have something to do with the bad press plane flights have had in Adelaide in the last two or three hours, with one of them, Emirates flight, being turned back with sparks flying out of the engine. But nonetheless, cruising is popular and it's cruise season. The Crown Princess is coming into Outer Harbour. In fact, it's there right now. We've had listeners that were down there taking photos right throughout the morning and texting through to us. Phil Hoffman will be on the program after 8.30 talking about that and just the remarkable popularity that cruising has. When you consider it's not, what, five, six years ago during COVID, there was a sense that maybe is cruising done for? Is it ever going to regain its popularity? Well, not only has it regained, it's grown exponentially since then. So Phil Hoffman after 8.30. It's time to go and break your night.
01:12:23
Speaker 4: Tonight's Adelaide City Council meeting is going to be an interesting one. There's a couple of different motions up by different councillors in regards to parking. We spoke to Mary Kouros on the program last week, I think, or maybe the week before. She's got a motion up to explore different types of incentives to bring people into the city and encourage them to park, like two hours free parking if you spend money at a restaurant or a shop or free parking if you're coming into the city to do a click and collect order, for example. And I know she's got some letters of support from different stakeholders in the city that will be presented at tonight's meeting. There is another motion by Deputy Lord Mayor Carmel Noon, which is a bit more of a wider motion about getting the data on where people are parking and utilising the current car parks that the city has in a better way. So maybe out the front of restaurants and about shops, out the front of shops and how they can be better targeted to certain type of parker. So I guess it will be decided between those two. But at least there's a few people on the Adelaide City Council there that want to do something about parking. However– It's a recent email from the Lord Mayor that's triggered my interest today regarding the volume and complexity of motions and notice on questions being submitted for council agendas. So she has warned that the number of questions on notice and motions on notice that have been submitted to council is increasing. meaning it's hard for council administration to respond and it's taking away the ability to work in their substantive duties of just getting the business of council done because there's so many requests from councillors for information. She also made this warning earlier in the year in March, I think, and the requests kind of dropped off. But now, coincidence or not that there's an election coming up early next year, the questions on notice and the motions on notice have increased.
01:14:27
Speaker 3: Well, you'd say not, wouldn't you? Because it's a pretty obvious device that's been used by councillors everywhere to say, put out a press release or contact meter. So I've got a question on notice about this because the council needs to tell people what it's doing about attracting people into the city or whatever the issue of the day might be. So I appreciate it probably is bulking down things. That one probably makes sense. Thank God there are people on council turning their attention in a serious way to the question of, the fact that the city, the heart of our city, more often than not resembles a ghost town now. And if you live in the suburbs, if I didn't work in the city, I don't think I'd be across this problem because I just would come once a year for Christmas shopping probably and the rest of the time I'd be hanging out in the western suburbs. But if you don't come in regularly, I don't know if most people that live out in the outer suburbs have a sense of how stark the contrast is between what the city feels like today and what it felt like 10 years ago.
01:15:22
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, particularly on a Monday and Friday.
01:15:25
Speaker 3: There is no one here.
01:15:26
Speaker 4: Work from home days?
01:15:27
Speaker 3: You come in on a weekend even when you walk around. Anything outside Rundle Mall and it feels like it's the beginning of some sort of disaster film where everyone's hiding in an underground bunker or something or other. It is not welcoming. It is not warm. There is no vibe. There's just no people. it feels like a zombie apocalypse. That's why I think the Christmas tree is actually a worthwhile investment. And Phil Martin last night actually said, we will calculate on the basis that the last 10 years, he was saying 25 years, which I think he stretched it out over that period of time and just say 2.1 million or whatever is less prohibitive. But at least that's something.
01:16:17
Speaker 4: And it's a real shame because there's, so much upside to our city, the central markets. We've got the museum and the art gallery and the state library, that beautiful cultural precinct along North Terrace. And for some people, the only time they see it is at illuminate time when you can do the free walk and see it all lit up and not actually going inside any of those beautiful buildings and seeing what they have to offer.
01:16:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is quite stark. But hopefully we'll be able to bring our cars in, which should not be seen as some sort of crime.
01:16:48
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:16:50
Speaker 3: It's nice to drive in in Adelaide because you still can. Well, you should be able to for prohibitive parking costs, but we should investigate that. It's not to our detriment that that is a unique thing about Adelaide. 16 minutes after 8, 8223 0000 is the number for your thoughts. You can text 024808 1395. Someone said, Will, I need to thank Jane Lomax-Smith. Was that for the absence of people? For the anti-car approach? I reckon there have been a few councils that have had that have had that sort of approach. Frank says cruising is great until Mother Nature decides to open up and then it becomes somewhat problematic.
01:17:28
Speaker 4: Oh. Same issue with flying, though.
01:17:31
Speaker 3: True. That is true. Kim coming in. 04808 1395 or text us on 8223 0000. We'll check traffic. And on the other side of the break, Tanya Hosh is going to join us. He's going to be chatting at Azara Foundation, a function this week in Adelaide, of course, formerly with the AFL and a host. You look at Tanya's resume, she's on boards and advocacy groups and everything across Australia. So it's going to be a fascinating chat on the other side of this break.
01:17:57
Speaker 1: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:18:05
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:18:09
Speaker 3: 21 minutes after. Right, some good ticks coming through. We'll get to your calls in a moment. Bill in Port Adelaide on the line on 8223 0000. If you are over the age of 70 or you've got friends who are and know people who, or maybe exceptional former professionals or people that are wonderful volunteers, You're going to want to nominate them for the seven sensational South Australians over 70, people who continue to achieve, lead, and inspire. If you know someone that fits the bill, nominate today at 5AA. com. You highlight their outstanding contribution. We don't do a good job in the world of highlighting people who are great. We're terrific at highlighting indolence or stupidity, but we're not so great at highlighting outstanding positive contributions. This is a great opportunity. to do that presented by 5AA and AFM Wealth Strategy plan the retirement you want to live with independent advice you can trust afmwealthstrategy.com.au uh Bill good morning good going well Bill you got a theory about bringing people back into the city Yeah.
01:19:07
Speaker 15: I'd like to see, actually, them bring back public transport from 9 to 3 for everyone, seven days a week, free public transport into the city, the starters. And basically, things have changed over the years. We don't have.
01:19:27
Speaker 15: We've got cinemas all in our areas now, so we don't need to go into the city for... and see the movies like we used to. We don't need to go shopping in there because we've got all our suburbs, we've got big shopping centres and so forth, so we don't need to. Apart from the central market, which is a great place to go, then that's the only way I can see them bringing people back into the city. Other than that, what else? They're not going to, you know, if then that way they don't have to pay for parking and so forth, but at least they can come in the city and bring the family in for an outing.
01:20:01
Speaker 3: It's a worthwhile part of the conversation, Bill. I think that reducing impediments to people coming to the city needs to be the chief focus of the council. We've got all the text to that effect. CES is asking if you want to go to the, museum and places. Well, where do you park when you do so? Great question. If you don't want to pay, you don't have much of a choice. Another text here from Craig in Shido Park is people don't come into the city purely because of parking. There are an abundance of parks on Flinders Street. Yes, they're all three-hour ticket parking. Why would I pay to park to go to a cafe or a small business when I can do it for free elsewhere? That's what you're competing with. That's the reality of the situation. Another person here says, and we haven't got these texts. These are the sorts of texts probably a decade ago we got a lot of. You haven't heard recently because Victoria's been going through it. But it's an interesting point. The person says, morning, I was in Melbourne on the weekend. Wow, the place was alive. I'm not a fan of Melbourne in general, but the vibe is so different to Adelaide in the city. The weather was actually nice for a change, which likely helped, but left there thinking we'd go back soon for sure. Interesting. Well, they have. It's interesting. All the major cities have different views about how they've handled the development question. Sydney has done. Well, Melbourne has done lots of medium-sized developments, townhouses and so forth in suburbs around the city. Sydney's gone the tower approach to apartments. Adelaide, we seem to be just growing out and getting further and further away. Maybe the Melbourne approach leads to more people coming into the city. It's the closest major centre for shopping and all that. Whereas to everyone's point, you can do it for free elsewhere.
01:21:32
Speaker 4: And then trams. I know I talk a lot about trams.
01:21:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, you love the trams.
01:21:35
Speaker 4: I love the trams in Melbourne. They go everywhere and it's so easy just to jump on and jump off and they've got a really good tram system.
01:21:43
Speaker 3: That they do. Keep the suggestions coming through. It's all worthy conversation, folks. 8223 0000. Coming up in about eight days' time, there's going to be a function at the Adelaide Zoo with the Zara Foundation and it will feature our next guest, Tanya Hosh, focusing on a whole host of issues regarding inclusion, diversity, but also the chief focus of the Zara Foundation is, of course, empowering, protecting women. And part of that conversation is enshrining their economic future and taking steps to– because we know– we work with Catherine House and others too. Certainly women that fall into difficult situations or impossibly difficult situations like domestic violence, the– The biggest hurdle to them being safe and secure is financial. Huge part of the issue. And it's something that Tanya Hosh is going to address as the keynote speaker for the Zara Foundation's event. Tanya, good morning to you and thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 23: Oh, good morning. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 4: It's such a big question, Tanya. It's such a loaded question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. How can we try and ensure that Australian women are economically safe? and secure enough that if they do need to leave difficult situations, they feel empowered and safe to do that.
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Speaker 23: Yeah, it is a very big answer there. Too long for this segment, I'm sure. But I think one of the things that we can do is make sure that we understand the complexity of circumstances that place women in that situation. And when you think historically of the fact that women have interrupted careers when they choose to have children, when their superannuation is also interrupted, it does create, I think, a legacy of circumstances that mean that women really are very much on the back foot and financially speaking. And so when it comes to needing to escape an unsafe environment, particularly if you have children in tow, not having resources is often one of the reasons that women stay in circumstances that are just simply not safe.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. And that's, as you said, Will, it's what we hear time and time again from Catherine House and the other organisations that help women. And we hear it from the Hutt Street Centre as well. We hear it from Food Bank that Older women is the highest rate of growth, the cohort that is more likely to be homeless in this economy.
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Speaker 23: Yeah, exactly. And I think when we hear the statistics, we are just almost hearing on a daily basis of another woman or child that has had their life taken from them. You know, it can feel overwhelming. And what do ordinary people do? I will definitely be seeking to recognise and celebrate the contributions of frontline workers who work in these services because I think their work is incredibly difficult, particularly when they know that they can't address all the needs that have been placed in front of them. But in addition to that, I think we all need to think about what is it that we can individually do? What is the call to action? that we can take. And, you know, I do think there are things that we can all do and certainly supporting the Zara Foundation is one of.
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Speaker 3: Those. Do we have an issue, Tanya, at all when it comes to the people that are hearing these messages? And I think about the Zara Foundation, the wonderful events and the places they go to and the people that they're engaging with. getting these really positive and powerful messages reinforced. But I often wonder about how broad that message is and does it cross cultural divides? Does it cross language divides? We're a very diverse marketplace of people in Australia at the moment. And how do you– and you've had this role with the AFL before, of course, with social inclusion and so forth. You appreciate the complexity of these sorts of issues. Are we doing well in terms of broadcasting that message and those important lessons online? to every part of Australia or are we doing exceptionally well at narrow casting it to one particular area?
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Speaker 23: Yeah, I think that's always going to be a challenge and it's a great question that you raise because we do need to be cognisant that there are going to be communities who are not going to hear well or necessarily understand what the circumstances are that we're talking about. I do think that people have become somewhat desensitised to these issues, particularly if the communication they receive is just about data but doesn't tell them about the action they can take. Certainly, I think that increasingly we all need to appreciate that we can't just leave it up to government and policing to to address these issues. We've really got to think about this from a systemic point of view. And I think as a community, all think about, well, what other things that we can do to address these issues? And that includes thinking about the sorts of messages that we're sending our children at a young age. And I think thinking about the way that we all model behaviour that says to children and young people, these are respectful behaviours, these are the behaviours that are acceptable, because it's never just our words that send that message, it's also our actions.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, Tanya. Thank you. Tanya Hosh, who, as you can tell, makes a living speaking about these issues and spreading those messages, will be doing precisely that at the Zara Foundations event, October 21 at the Adelaide Zoo. Thank you for your time, Tanya. We've spent a bit of time in the last half hour talking about getting people into the city. Let's do our bit and get some people into the city by giving away a Lucky Dumpling Market voucher, shall we? From Nacho, Nacho Man, Spice Kitchen 89, Sookie La La, Gang Gang and Kaya Desserts, you can taste the flavours of Asia at the Lucky Dumpling Market. Adelaide's springtime food and entertainment hub. This is a great event that's worth coming in for. 9th of October to 1st of November, visit LuckyDumplingMarket.com. If you'd like to get along with a voucher to sample some of the food, simply call us right now. It'll cover the cost of your parking probably. 8223. Double like, double five is the number.
01:28:30
Speaker 1: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:28:38
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 3: 18 minutes to 9, we'll be chatting with a keeper from the zoo at the Monado Zoo who's the primate boss about the Cassie, the new arrival, the four-month-old young Cassie who, is a chimp that was rejected by her family and has arrived here at Monado. Couldn't, I mean, if all the places to arrive at, I don't know what the Rockhampton zoo is like, but you know, I think you've won the lottery of life, of life, Cassie. The Cassie, the process that Cassie's in at the moment is meeting new family. So what we thought was we've all been through meeting new family. Sometimes it's gone well. Sometimes it probably hasn't gone that well. We have some tickets to give away to a country royalty, this Murray Molo show with, um, music from Hank Williams, Patsy Cline, Johnny Cash and more, January 16 at Her Majesty's Theatre. We'll give away some tickets to that. If you've got a story or a tip for meeting family in-laws, we've all done it. We've all been through it. How did it go? This is good advice for Cassie in meeting a new family because they need to embrace Cassie. You've been an in-law. You probably are an in-law.
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Speaker 4: Maybe it was meeting the parents or maybe it was meeting this new son-in-law, daughter-in-law, and you didn't know what to expect.
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Speaker 3: I remember meeting my wife's parents the first time when we were young. We got together when we were very young, and so I was nervous. And her father was a real man's man, and anyone who listens to this program knows I'm not. So I'm trying to do my best, you know, be a bloke type act, which was we're not convincing anyone. And her mother, lovely woman, just the most gentle, lovely woman, she said, oh, Will, I'm making quiche. Would you like a quiche? And I went, and I didn't even like quiche. And I went, yeah, I'd love one, thank you. And she said, oh, good. And he wandered past, and he looks at me and goes, real men donate quiche. What did you say? You know what?
01:30:29
Speaker 9: Stuff your quiche.
01:30:29
Speaker 3: I don't want it anymore. You can go and stick your quiche.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do. I was like, do I pick the mum or the dad? 8223 0000, how'd you go meeting the in-laws? Or how'd they go meeting, you know, were you the parent? Did you, you know, fathers? Did you do the tough guy act? 8223 0000 for your story, or you can text us on 048 08 13 95.
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Speaker 4: When I met Ben's parents, I went over to their house for dinner, and I said, I'll bring dessert. And he said, just bring some Cornettos. That's all my dad likes.
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Speaker 3: That's good. So that was easy.
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Speaker 4: I did that. We all sat on the couch and had a Cornetto after dinner. And then I saw Ben's dad give the bottom of the Cornetto, the best bit, to the dog. And I thought, Oh, what's going on here? I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Were you being rejected?
01:31:14
Speaker 4: That's the best bit.
01:31:16
Speaker 17: Yeah.
01:31:16
Speaker 4: Why is the dog getting it?
01:31:18
Speaker 3: That might be just love for the dog, to be fair.
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Speaker 4: That's what it was. But then I thought, I don't know if chocolate's any good for dogs, but I don't have a dog and I'm not going to say anything while I'm sitting here meeting the in-laws. Just keep your mouth shut, Stacey. Just leave it alone. And now we joke about it. Now I joke about the unusual things.
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Speaker 3: Maybe the message is time heals all. You've got to adopt to the customs of different households and families. All good advice for Cassie. Love you, by the way, John. 8223 0000 or 04808 1395. Terrific tickets these are. We've got to give away as well. Country Royalty is the name of the show. It's on at Her Majesty's Theatre, January 16. So summer, early part of next year, if you want to get along. If you love your country music too, Johnny Cash, Patsy Cline. Hank Williams, country royalty, get calling now and tell us your meeting the in-laws story. Be you the parent that wanted to be impressed or the impressee trying to make your way into a new family?
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Speaker 4: I feel like, and you might think differently, being a father of a daughter, I feel like that would be extremely difficult meeting the boyfriend.
01:32:25
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it would be. Back in the day, of course, these days, all the interaction between people happens on devices. Back in the day, you had to call the house, and there was a chance the dad would answer. That was fun. Sue in Mylaw, good morning.
01:32:37
Speaker 19: Yes, good morning.
01:32:39
Speaker 12: You've triggered.
01:32:41
Speaker 4: Memories. All right.
01:32:43
Speaker 3: They sound like troubled memories, Sue.
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Speaker 12: Yes, my ex's mother, ex being the operative word. I don't know if it's about four, five months, and we went to our first family function. and I was preparing some food for him, and I hadn't met my mother-in-law at that stage, and she came up to me and said, I know what my son likes.
01:33:09
Speaker 21: I'll do that.
01:33:11
Speaker 3: Oh.
01:33:11
Speaker 12: And I thought, okay, this is going to be fun.
01:33:18
Speaker 9: And it wasn't.
01:33:19
Speaker 3: Oh, so it didn't get any better, Sue?
01:33:21
Speaker 12: No, it didn't get any better. He was definitely a mummy's boy, but I got told, well, truly.
01:33:28
Speaker 21: Back off.
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Speaker 3: That's fantastic. So thank you. It's good for Cassie to have to navigate the potential mother problem. Meeting the in-laws, folks. Your stories, good, bad, otherwise, tactics, tricks, what worked, what didn't. We're talking about in the context of Cassie. 8223 0000. Andrew says, I've got one where the father told the boyfriend he would reinstate his he would reinstate his ex debt if he hurt his daughter. I don't even know how you do that.
01:33:55
Speaker 4: Oh, what happened?
01:33:59
Speaker 3: The father told him he's the new boyfriend. He would reinstate his ex debt if he hurt his daughter. I don't know. Maybe, maybe he was the minister for education. I'm not sure.
01:34:10
Speaker 1: Uh, Knock down, build two, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:34:22
Speaker 2: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:34:27
Speaker 3: Nine to nine, Andrew's text was with regard to the Prime Minister's comedy sketch that was apparently released on the weekend. I'm glad, I missed this and I'm not... I know, it went straight over my head. I don't feel the poorer for it. Apparently they did a comedy sketch where he threatened to a, you know, prospective daughter's boyfriend that... He could reinstate his hex dead if anything bad happened. Well, I was unfamiliar with that, Andrew, thanks to the people that are familiar with it.
01:34:49
Speaker 4: It was a skit with some Melbourne comedy guys. Why is the Prime Minister doing all this stuff?
01:34:55
Speaker 9: You know what?
01:34:56
Speaker 3: The e-safety commissioner's job would be made all the more easy if one of the pitches was, we will stop politicians doing viral or comedic, in inverted commas, sketches on the internet. That'd be all for that. Censor away, e-safety commissioner. All right, let's go to the Let's go to Minardo. John Allen is the assistant curator of primates and carnivores. John, we've had a lot of fun this morning talking about Cassie coming to town. Tell us a bit about Cassie's story, because we know the tragic element of it, being rejected by the family. Maybe tragic's really humanising it. This is sort of what happens in the natural world, isn't it?
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Speaker 13: I mean, yeah, it certainly can do. Sometimes it just comes down to exposure to those things, because... I guess like people, chimps do learn some of those mothering behaviors just through observation and watching when they're young. So if they miss out on that or that's not something that they've been exposed to, then when they go on to have their own infants, they can run into some problems, which is sort of what we've seen in this scenario. It's not always a malicious thing. Sometimes it's just through lack of knowledge, really, that these things happen.
01:36:08
Speaker 4: So, John, what can we do to make sure Cassie is accepted by this new family? Because I and everyone listening can't deal with more heartbreak for Cassie.
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Speaker 13: I guess the thing that we have on our side is that our troops had a lot of infants born into our troop. And so, you know, the troop are very aware of what it's like to have a young chimp come up through the ranks. A few years ago, we did have an infant chimp born here that did get sort of fostered by one of our other chimps. Mum passed away. So there has been moments in our troop where we've seen them pick up other infants that aren't necessarily their infant and mother them and.
01:37:02
Speaker 13: And help to try and raise them.
01:37:04
Speaker 3: Is there anything human intervention can do to try and facilitate that process or is it entirely in the hands of the troop and how they react to Cassie?
01:37:13
Speaker 13: It is mostly going to be up to the chimps. We can certainly put things in place so that we can maximise that chance. Ultimately, it will be up to the chimps as to whether or not they decide to accept her and that's where we'd be sort of trying to do things to introduce her so that we sort of try to skew things that way. So when we bring her up to introduce her to the other chimps, we do it at opportune times or times when we know that they're probably going to be more receptive or when it's a quiet moment, we can sort of bring her in to them. And then we're looking for behaviors that show us that.
01:38:02
Speaker 10: That are positive.
01:38:03
Speaker 13: So we have seen some of our male chimps already showing sort of play behaviours towards her. Male chimps do love to sort of play with youngsters and we see that in the troop we have now. Oftentimes the older males will be playing with the young chimps and they'll jump all over them and they'll wrestle them and.
01:38:23
Speaker 17: All that stuff.
01:38:24
Speaker 13: So they've been sort of showing some of that already, which makes us think that the first signs are looking really, really good. We're not really seeing, you know, over-aggression or anything like that. So it's looking really good.
01:38:43
Speaker 4: Well, let's hope it continues, John. We're all rooting for Cassie. We all want her to be accepted. I can't wait to see the day where she's just out in the enclosure there with the rest of the chimps and playing around.
01:38:55
Speaker 20: How old's Happy now?
01:38:58
Speaker 13: Happy's three years old now, so a little bit bigger than Cassie, although it looks quite small compared to the rest of the chimps. When you see Cassie next to there, she's that much smaller again. But it won't take long and she'll grow and she'll get bigger and I'm sure that the young ones are all going to be playing together. It's just going to be another little chimp to have in the troop to play with and like you guys, we're really hoping that this all goes well as well.
01:39:32
Speaker 3: Must be fun working with the chimps, John. They must be remarkable animals to work with or can they be frustrating because sometimes I've got a three-year-old daughter, and I think, this must be what it's like dealing with primates. It's just crazy.
01:39:45
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, they're really... They are a great species to work with, and I think it's just fascinating to see their behaviours and the way that they sort of run their troops. You know, chimps are very family-focused, and they do look out for their own, and they do take care of each other. So we're wanting to.
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Speaker 13: I guess, take advantage of that fact that they are a very sort of social, family-orientated species. And we're hoping that we'll be able to get her into the troop that way. And even if she's fostered by one of the individuals who's sort of the primary carer, the whole troop at times are going to help to raise her, just like they do with the other infants that we have in there, you know. Oftentimes mum's the primary carer, but the rest of the troop will come in and do daycare sort of stuff. Yeah, that's right.
01:40:42
Speaker 4: Daycare.
01:40:44
Speaker 9: Cheap daycare.
01:40:44
Speaker 3: Cheap daycare. John, thank you. We're wishing you guys all the best. We're looking forward to following Cassie's journey. John Allen, the Assistant Curator of Primates and Carnivores at Monado.
01:40:54
Speaker 4: It has to work. It has to work.
01:40:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's not contemplate the alternative because that's just too sad. Let's have a look at the fuel situation, which is– In and of itself, quite sad. Don't get stuck on the side of the road for humans. Get RAA road service. The main north road, Clearview, Yugo, is cheap at $ 2.
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Speaker 19: 28.
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Speaker 3: 6 for unleaded. Otherwise, it's all $ 2. 30 or above. You can get it at a pretty good price. The United South Road, Melrose Park, $ 2. 29. 3. Diesel. Diesel's the real story, frankly.
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Speaker 4: $ 2.
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Speaker 17: 79.
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Speaker 3: 5 is the cheapest we've been able to spot it. That's the Shell, Victoria Road and Jetty Road at Largs Bay. If you're in the area, You need diesel. It's a pretty reasonable place to fill up. Two more days of coolish weather to get through, folks, and then we're back to the heat and back to feeling like we're well and truly in spring. Enjoy your Tuesday. We'll catch you tomorrow morning from 6 o'clock.
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