Headlines About Supplements Miss The Point

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Welcome to Far Too Fabulous.
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Julie and Catherine.
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Let's start in.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Far Too Fabulous.
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Oh my arms are fully flung out there now.
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Are you went for that?
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Yes, everything.
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Oh my god, I must tell you something funny before we start.
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So I think most people know I do karate.
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So I'm doing a new kata, which is a sequence of karate moves.
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And because we've been doing at choir Saturday Night Fever, and I have that on my mind because I've been practicing that.
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One of the moves is like that stance, but your arms aren't out.
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But I put my arms out of the that just made everyone laugh.
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So you've got choreography in karate.
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Karate choreography.
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It's a sequence of moves, it's called a kata, and I like it.
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And it's a bit like doing Tai Chi or something.
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Okay.
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You've got these sequences of moves, but then you learn how to utilize those moves to attack or to defend.
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So then from the kata, you do something called the bunkai.
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And you literally, like there was a there was a move in this new kata.
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I was I was thinking to myself, what why am I doing this?
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You kind of push your arms to the side, you know, in this weird way.
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Obviously, you guys can't see me, but I'm showing Catherine.
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And I was thinking, what is that?
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And then the sensei showed me, right, a kick is coming in and you're pushing that leg away, and then the thing you do with your arm is basically to smack someone in the face.
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Yeah.
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So you learn all these nice movements and all connected, but then you put it into an attack and defend sequence.
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Wow, that's kind of cool, actually.
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Yeah, yeah, that's why I like it.
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So my favourite thing, I don't like the fighting part of the You're a lover, not a fighter, aren't you?
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But I love doing the catters because yeah, it's like that sequence of movements, and you do get that, yeah, mindfulness.
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I like it, yeah, the flow of it.
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Yeah, that's fantastic.
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And if you can put Saturday night fever into it as well, all the better.
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Yeah.
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Don't know what your senses are gonna have to say about that.
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No.
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I've got a few things that I do because of the gymnastics.
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I know I've gone right off on a tangent now, but it makes me laugh that some of the things that I do in gymnastics, like you have to have your feet together, otherwise you get deductions.
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Whereas in karate, you're supposed to have them slightly out.
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And it's things like that.
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Like I will point my, I'm terrible for pointing my toes, and you're supposed to have your toes back when you're kicking and things like that.
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Okay.
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I will point out.
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You're used to pointing them in gymnastics.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I would just be like, Where am I?
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What do we need to do?
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Yeah, it's quite funny, really.
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Anyway, I love that.
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So anyway, I don't know why I mentioned about the the staying alive thing, but oh, it's because you had your arms out when you were doing it.
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Yeah, I was like, Where are we?
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What are we doing?
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What aren't we doing?
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What are we talking about today?
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Well, I wanted to talk to you about supplements because there's been a bit of news story, and again, I don't know when we're going to put this podcast episode out, but there was this news story, and I was in the kitchen, and my husband came running down.
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He said, Quick, put Radio 5 Live on.
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They're talking about supplements, and then basically what happened was the next probably 10 minutes I was just pacing around the kitchen, just getting really annoyed.
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So the thing is about these news stories, is it's always just the one headline, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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It really annoys me because it was basically going along the lines of supplements are a waste of money, especially the ones targeted at women in menopause, and there was no difference between cheaper supplements versus expensive supplements, and we should just all get our nutrients from food.
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Oh my god! Oh yeah, shouldn't we?
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In an ideal world, and then Mary Poppins will look after our kids.
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For goodness sake, it's that's so annoying, isn't it?
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And that the it's those blanket statements, though, aren't they?
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Supplements are bad, is a just a terrible blanket statement.
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It's just ridiculous.
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And I mean that's I guess that's why people have us, is that we can make it personal and we can make sure that we're working with the actual human being that's in front of us.
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But that's really I think that's really wrong.
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It's really misleading.
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I think it's really damaging because we've already got a situation where women's health is not prioritised, and then the things that women do themselves to help themselves, they've now been told that's a waste of money, that's ridiculous, what are you doing, that's not right.
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And it's instead of looking at ways to help women, it's another thing that we're just not allowing women to access or feel.
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The one thing that they pulled up on was it makes it can make women feel empowered.
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Yes, it can because you're looking after your own health, and if you take something and it helps you, then good on you.
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Yeah, I mean, the whole thing this I mean, this is exactly what we're all about, isn't it?
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Is about empowered well-being for women, but you that you can get that through taking charge of your of your diet and things like that, and you may still need the supplements because like we've spoken about so many times, haven't we, that you we're not necessarily getting what we used to get from our fruit, from our vegetables, from our meat, or or anything like that.
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And try as we might, we might still not be getting it.
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I don't know if that's right, might still not be getting it.
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I don't know.
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You know what I mean.
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You know what I mean.
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And as you were saying about it all being targeted to women, it makes me think about this like pink tax on everything.
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So it's like I don't know, it's like it's Christmas or it's wedding or something like that.
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It's something special, so we can slap another what double the price on it.
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And I was in Tesco the other day, and I I literally I was on my own and I literally laughed out loud and I said they will sell us anything.
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And the lady next to me was laughing as well.
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Was this little pink box that looked a bit like a pregnancy test, and it was a menopause test.
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And I didn't have my glasses on, so I couldn't investigate any further because writing was too small.
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I'm gonna have to look at this.
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What are they testing?
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What is that?
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What are they testing?
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I mean, it can can it only be a P test?
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I don't know.
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But I mean the doctor's blood tests are fairly useless at predicting menopause.
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So what the hell is a pink box on the shelf of Tesco going to tell me?
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How much was it?
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I don't know.
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I don't know what to do.
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You've come with half the information category.
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I know, but I was so so mad.
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It doesn't matter how much it was, it's it's it's it shouldn't be there.
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Absolute rubbish.
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I mean, like you get more use out of the cardboard box it was in.
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Oh, it was just it really, it really upsets me.
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And there are so many of these things, like menopause again is like another buzzword, isn't it?
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And the minute you put menopause on it, they're gonna double the price.
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And they're just they're taking advantage of women going through this specific point in their lives and feeling utterly desperate, like we've got our lives are 100 miles an hour, and we're expecting our bodies to perform like they did 10 years ago, like we need them to perform like they did 10 years ago, and they don't.
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So we're like, let's what how can we fill these gaps?
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And they just they get you by the short and curlies, and it makes me really cross.
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Yeah, it makes me cross as well, and it it makes me cross when you get those statements about supplements because I use supplements, I take supplements, and I've seen the impact and the benefits that those supplements bring.
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But I'm also fortunate enough to know to look behind the marketing and use ethical companies and understand the ingredients and the dosage, etc.
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And not not everybody's gonna have that, but when you get those news stories where they just take that headline, it makes it sound like you shouldn't be taking the supplements at all, they're not helping you, it's a placebo effect.
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There is definitely that pink tax that you're talking about, and there are brands out there or certain supplements that are marketed really, really well, and they use celebrities and influencers, those are the ones you've got to be careful of, actually.
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But if you're looking in a if you're in a really good health food shop, normally like an independent type of health food shop, or you're seeing a nutritionist that's recommending a brand, then you know that you're going to be getting the quality there.
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And I was saying to you that the companies that I tend to use, when it when they put menopause on a supplement, it doesn't necessarily make that supplement more expensive than your multi for every day, but that supplement has got different things in because menopause means that we've got different requirements and there are certain nutrients that we need more of that can help with symptoms, and they will formulate those supplements to take that into consideration.
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So it's not just a case when I was listening to Five Live, they were saying just go ignore the multis for menopause and just go and get a standard multi.
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No, because a standard multi is going to have things in that could potentially be potentially be detrimental at this stage, probably got way too much calcium in, it's going to slow everything down.
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It's got iron in, which is fine if you're having a period, but if you haven't, if you stopped your periods now, you don't want to be having iron unless you're iron deficient.
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Yeah.
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Because that can be dangerous.
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So it does make me cross because if you're a supplement company and you're good and ethical and you want to bring a product to that demographic, then you need to tell that demographic what it is.
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And by putting, hey guys, this is our menopause supplement on, it's for you.
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That's helpful, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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But there are so many things like you just said about the Tesco situation where menopause is is a really, really good way to market and sell stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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To desperate to desperate people.
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I mean, like, just as a really basic example of how supplements help me, is magnesium in the evening.
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Now, I know that I I know that I need it.
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I I am stressed, I am active, I know that I burn it up probably within seconds.
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And I know that it helps me sleep.
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And that's how I know that it's working.
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And I know that if I run out and I haven't and I haven't ordered some more, that my sleep becomes much, much lighter.
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And I notice that as I kind of move away from taking it and and then having to kind of build it back up again.
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All the weird dreams, if I haven't been taking it for taking it regularly, the weird dreams all start when I start taking it again.
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And like that's that's not placebo.
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That that is it, it's working.
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It's doing a doing a job, it's I'm sure it's doing lots of other jobs, but it's doing a job that I really need it to do because I need to sleep properly to be ready for my for my next day.
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And they will I they will be pulling that magnesium capsule out of my cold, dead hand.
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They are never having that back.
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No, and it's like, for example, with magnesium, so calcium and magnesium in the body work together, but we need magnesium to balance calcium because calcium is a quite a dominant mineral in the body.
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You can almost you could almost call it like a bully to magnesium.
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Those two minerals are involved in insulin and glucose metabolism.
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Now, when you go through menopause, you become less able to regulate that side of things, which is why we tend to eat more or we don't manage our sugars as well, we get more cravings.
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So imagine that you're taking a menopause supplement that knows this, so it's giving you more magnesium without calcium to help support that mechanism.
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If you just swap that out for an everyday multi, chances are you'll have a lot of calcium in there, very little magnesium.
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That's not going to be helpful, right?
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No, it's just add to your uphill struggle.
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Yeah.
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And we know that minerals are vulnerable.
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We we can see it through soil reports.
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We can see when we analyze food now compared to food years ago, and we see the nutrient content.
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And then you layer on the fact that we live in a world where we are exposed to way more stress, whether that's environmental toxins as well as emotional stress, physical stress, lifestyle stress, and that puts an extra demand on our body.
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And magnesium is one of those that gets depleted.
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B6 is another one, and you need B6 to regulate hormones.
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Hello, I'm going through hormone changes, but I'm stressed.
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So I've just binned off my B6 that's going to help.
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So when you're looking at these supplements and they're formulated to help you during this phase, they will tend to have a bit more magnesium, they will tend to have a bit more B6 because we know that those things are needed in the body, and we can't unfortunately just accept that we can get that from food now.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Were the who was who was on the radio programme that they were talking to?
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Oh, I wish I knew who it was.
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Some lady, and she did say some good stuff, like she did say don't use supplements as a substitute for the other things.
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Okay.
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So I did agree with her there.
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Yep, yeah.
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In terms of she said, look at your sleep and your exercise and your you know movement and your stress levels, and yeah, we we would totally agree with that, but she was very much you don't need a supplement, and I just disagree with that.
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I've played around with some supplements, so I was taking I'm taking again, I was taking collagen type 2 to help support my joints in gymnastics.
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There's different types of collagen.
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Collagen is one of those supplements that you could spend a fortune on.
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It's an again another buzzword, isn't that?
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Yeah, and it may not be what you need.
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So again, I am very targeting, I'm targeted on what I'm taking, what it's for.
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I I mean, yeah, I like my hair and skin to be lovely, but actually, my priority is my joints.
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So I'm gonna take my type 2.
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I'm using a company that is good, I know that they get independently tested, I know what their ingredients are, all of that.
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So I'm taking my type 2 collagen, and that is quite expensive, and I run out and I didn't reorder it, and then about five weeks later, I thought, what is going on with my joints?
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I feel like an old lady.
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Well, why is everything stiff?
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And I thought, oh my goodness me, I've stopped taking my collagen.
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So I've now put my collagen back in.
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So I've been taking my collagen now for two weeks, and I can see a difference.
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It's incredible, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, it's a real mixed results for collagen.
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But again, I think because you have been one so specific of why what results you want from it, like why you're taking it, and it's the you know, the clue's in the name, it's a supplement, it's on top of like a good, healthy, nutritious diet and exercise and hydration.
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It's it's an it's an on-top, it's not necessarily a nice to have, but it's it's something that you add in, and you knew why you needed it, and you knew specifically what you wanted.
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And I think that that's that's really helpful rather than just sort of like scatter gunning these.
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Yeah, the scatter gun approach is is the one that is dangerous because they also spoke on this program about you could be taking this supplement that's got, especially on the herbal side of things, you need to be a little bit careful with herbals.
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You might be taking several supplements and it's pushing up the herbal content, and that puts some pressure on the liver.
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So I don't agree with just you can easily treat supplements like medicines, and they're not, you can't just go in and go, right, I've got this symptom, so I'll have this for this, this for this.
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And you can take, I've had clients before come with a carrier bags full of supplements.
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Well, this person in this shop told me this would work, and my friend said this.
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And I watched this Instagram post about this, and you end up with all these.
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No, don't do it that way.
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You need to know what you need.
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Because it is like you you can hear about all the benefits of all these supplements, and you think, oh, I really need that, oh, I really need that, and you could end up with a carrier bag full of them, definitely quite easily, yeah.
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Yeah, I want all those benefits, but uh it is.
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I think I wonder if the collagen might be an entire episode all on its own because you again you get a really mixed bag, you get the ones that are promoted on Facebook and Instagram and from the influencers and stuff, and loads of them do absolutely zero.
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That said, one of them, which I cannot remember, I have had a client who has had incredible results with things like skin and hair and nails, and that's the only thing that she's added.
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That again, I think I'm I'm I'm destroying this potential podcast that we could do in the future.
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But could she have got those benefits from perhaps paying a little bit more attention to her diet?
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Quite possibly.
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I mean, I don't know what her diet's like.
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So quite possibly, but with something like collagen, we know that we've got decreasing levels as we get older, and we can put in the raw ingredients, but the likelihood is those ingredients are going somewhere else and doing something else, because a lot of the time if we take a supplement for the hair, skin and nails type of supplements or a classic one, they'll have things in that yep, your hair and your skin and nails need.
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But if you put in, for example, zinc is a classic one there, needed by all those things.
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If you're low in zinc and your your body needs zinc for other things like your immune system, it's not going to be bothered about your hair.
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No, it's gonna whip it away to that, yeah.
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Yeah, so you could take it specifically for that, but then that nutrient could go somewhere else.
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It's so interesting, is it?
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I I mean, I do I do love a supplement.
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Like I say, I I could I could easily come out of a health food shop with a whole carry a bag of stuff.
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I love my sage.
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Again, honestly, if that woman, if I was listening to that radio programme and she told me that uh I didn't need to see to take sage, I think I'd be marching up to the radio show and yeah, showing of my hot flushes with with my fists.
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Yeah, because the other argument that they put forward was the lack of testing for these supplements.
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There are a lot of really good, there's a lot of really good research for supplements, but you've got to remember that that's not financially viable for pharmaceuticals to do.
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So a lot of the testing is not done with big money, big corporations, therefore you're quite limited on that side of things.
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And and I can't help wonder when you get these news stories, is again it where is that coming from?
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What it who decided to look into this?
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Yeah, what research was there done?
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How many people, who was funding it?
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Who was funding it?
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Who does it benefit?
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Who does it benefit to tell women who are taking supplements and and actually finding them helpful to tell them that they're not great?
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Who's that benefit benefiting?
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Just putting that out there.
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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So the moral of the story is know why you're taking them.
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Speak to Julie, speak to Julian, speak to Julie.
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Is that was it making sure you're you're having them from a credible ethical source?
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I mean, I know that I I kind of I use the same company as you because I trust that you have looked into it and you know that they are good.
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I and I always feel like, and I you can correct me if I'm wrong, and it might be, that when you're buying them off the shelves in Tesco, for instance, or your favourite H B, I always feel that half of them are just full of like tau compounds are or like fillings of it.
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Fillers and stuff, yeah.
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And and the form of that nutrient will be the the most cheaply, most abundant way they can do it.
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But a lot of the time, especially when we're looking at minerals, you can't absorb them properly.
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Is there any potential that the the fillings and whatever is is in these potentially cheaper supplements?
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But maybe not.
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I mean, if you're perhaps you're buying them and they've been sort of celebrity endorsed and all that stuff, they they may well not be cheaper, but the same sort of stuff.
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Is there any potential dangers of the stuff that's in there?
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Possibly.
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I mean, I I tried to use supplements that are low in any additives, but in order to formulate something into a capsule or a tablet, there are certain things that you need to stop those capsules from um disintegrating or you know the the levels I can't think of the word deteriorating that kind of thing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So but you're right, there are supplements out there that are made very cheaply, but the marketing is so good that they put a premium price on it.
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But you get this in anything, don't you?
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You get that in you get that in cars.
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Yeah.
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Cars brands made in the same factory with the same parts, but they've got a different badge on them, therefore they cost different amounts of money.
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Yeah.
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The same with clothes.
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You get it everywhere, don't you?
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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And I think that it is knowing what you want, knowing what you're wanting to take a supplement for.
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And I don't mean it's is there a bit of trial and error involved in this?
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Like, don't kind of again, don't scatter gun.
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No.
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But also, when you've taken something or you've chosen, perhaps you've you've you know you've looked into it, perhaps you've spoken to Julie, you've looked into it, you've decided what you think you're going to take, give it a chance.
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Don't just take it for a few days and go, oh no, it's not working.
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Most study, yeah.
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Most studies on supplements, the minimum amount of time is three months because it's not a medicine, you can get quite good results quickly from certain things, like taking a magnesium before you go to bed.
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Often people will say, Wow, that's that's made a difference.
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Or if you've got diarrhea and you take something like Saccharomyces bulardi and it kicks in pretty quick, then that that does have that impact.
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But most of the time, you need to be consistently taking something for three months before you can decide is it helping or not.
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And sometimes the help is subtle and you don't realise until you stop it, and then you realise, oh, I'm I'm feeling a bit more tired or a bit more irritable, or whatever, whatever it is.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, amazing.
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And the other thing I was just thinking about, because again, when you go into the uh into the health food shops and there are all these lovely pills that have got all these lovely uh benefits to them.
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I'm so I'm thinking about sage, I was thinking about turmeric and things like that.
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I guess another way of being of making sure that you are having these things is just to add them to your food.
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Yeah, I mean, with something like sage or turmeric, because you've mentioned those two, you would have to have a lot versus the concentrated amount in a capsule that we know has an impact on the sage for like hot flushes.
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Yeah.
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And that is the reason why we know that is because that information has been available for years, used in a traditional sense.
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When we go back and look at Ayurvedic medicine or Chinese medicine and we look at how these herbs have been developed, that's where that information comes from a lot of the time.
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But when you take it in a capsule, it's super concentrated.
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So putting a sprinkle, I'm not saying don't put a sprinkle of um turmeric and eustage because absolutely brilliant, use them, but you're not going to get the level of concentration in as as compared to a capsule.
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If you're if you're trying to use a therapeutic dose to help something specific, yeah, that's different, yeah.
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But still use those things in your cooking.
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Yeah, and often they they place them with because I know uh turmeric is uh place with is it black pepper?
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Black pepper, yeah.
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So that you absorb it better, and I guess the danger is sometimes if you're thrown in your cooking, it could there could be things that are gonna block that absorption, so you're not necessarily gonna be able to rely on that source.
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And heat and all heat can destroy nutrients a lot of the time.
00:26:47.100 --> 00:26:55.259
So, yeah, so I think the overall uh like my thought process is the the headlines are never useful.
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No, never useful, you've got to look below that.
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If you're taking supplements and they're helping you, just don't pay any attention to that, but make sure your supplements are good quality.
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So look at the ingredients, look, look up the company, look into the background of the company, and then if you want a personalised approach, then you you would book book an appointment with someone like me because we can look at that test and see exactly what you need.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:27:22.940 --> 00:27:31.420
And I imagine some of these people, if they're taking loads of different ones, they're some of these supplements are probably doubling up on exactly, yeah, yeah.
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So you've got to look at that as well.
00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:33.820
Fantastic.
00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:36.620
So really it would save them money, Julie, coming to see you.
00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:37.980
Is that what you're saying?
00:27:38.540 --> 00:27:47.340
It does a lot of the time though, because people do just do the scatter gun approach, and then when they add it up, it is quite shocking how much you spend on supplements.
00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:48.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Wow, that's fantastic.
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You can let us know in the Far Too Fabulous Facebook group what supplements you love, whether they have worked, whether they are like my magnesium dragging out of my cold dead hand because I'm gonna take it forevermore.
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