#57 Peter Salzmann: Wingsuit Foil innovation, performance mindset, balancing risk & rewards

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Laurent: Man, so Peter, it's, it's
a great to chat with you, man.
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you, have been doing some exciting stuff.
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We tried to, I tried to get you on,
about six months ago and you rightly
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told me, Hey, why don't we wait until
after the fall and I can see why now.
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Peter: Yes.
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No, I'm happy to be here
and to talk to you now.
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Laurent: Yeah.
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So by trade, you're, You're a paragliding
instructor, tandem pilot, stuntman,
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professional wingsuit pilot now.
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you've, you've got your hands,
in a lot of different pies.
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Peter: Yeah, I think, like, all
the stuff I do is, for a reason.
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all this, the whole path just,
went going, from the beginning.
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from the first time when I jumped
from the roof of my house, I knew,
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I wanna be a stuntman, and then I
was a stuntman, and I was like, Ah,
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I wanna be, like, a BASE jumper.
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Wingsuit pilot, and then it got
way more into this innovation.
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So if I now think back, even like
the school I choose, like made sense,
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it was like a technical school.
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And then I started sports, like
everything was for a reason somehow.
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Laurent: All leading up
to where you are now.
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Peter: Yes.
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Yeah.
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Laurent: does it feel to fly
on the wing, on the foil?
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Peter: Yeah, it's a good question.
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It's actually it's pretty crazy.
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Pretty exhausting as well and challenging.
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So it's like a super sensitive system.
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I don't know, if you guys saw it, if you
look at the video, it's like more ah, it
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looks, easy, whatever, but it's really
you Balance your body above the wing.
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So it's it's pushing you and, or
actually pulling you forward and,
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up and you look balance over it.
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And if there is like constant and constant
air and no terminals and no turbulences,
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then it's pretty, pretty good.
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But if there are like ups and
downs, then it's super challenging.
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But, the cool thing is just that
you feel that if you feel the
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difference and you feel the influence.
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Like from the beginning and that's why
I always continued with the project.
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Laurent: So this was an early concept.
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You, were you inspired by, like foiling?
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Do you do it on water?
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Did you see that?
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what, brought this idea
to you, to begin with?
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Peter: I tried it in the water, but
for sure it had the inspiration, but
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it mainly actually started because of
the Electrified Wingsuit project I had.
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Because we always had, we thought
of how can we even improve this?
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How can we make like the
engines, Better, nicer.
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And I had this idea of adding like
two little wings on the side so that
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it's probably also just like pushing
up and creating lift and not just,
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pushing, your front.
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And I thought before I do this.
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Adaption on the wing, on the
electrified, engine, I will just make
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a wing to see if it actually works.
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And then we made like this little
wing, like actually a super tiny wing.
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if I now look at it, but we tested it
and it was like from the beginning,
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Whoa, there is an influence and
Whoa, that actually feels good.
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And then we had all this
progression and ups and downs
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and yeah, it was, Big, progress.
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Laurent: So let's get back to, I want
to hear more about the progression
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and the progress of it, but first
let's talk a little bit about the
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feeling that you have with the foil.
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cause I can imagine, in normal wingsuit
flight, you're Your, authority over your
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angle of attack and your, your direction
that you're flying, up and down is,
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the angle of your flying, sorry, is,
determined by your shoulders, your body,
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your head position, things like that.
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I've got to assume that it's a lot of
that changes when you introduce the foil.
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Peter: Yeah, I think like the normal
system how you fly a wingsuit actually
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stays the same, but then there's the
additional, you call it, the additional
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thing that you have to also steer the foil
itself and the pitch actually is the most
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important one and the pitch you have to
set the foil in the pitch So it really
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depends, almost a millimeter, but I would
say let's, it depends on the centimeter.
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Why is the centimeter too
far up or too far down?
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It just doesn't make it fly nice.
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But if you have it in the right spot,
and then you just push your upper
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body like a little bit down, then
you change the angle of the foil.
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And if you have this, it doesn't matter.
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Now, as I made quite a few jumps
with it, I know when it feels right.
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Then you have this feeling
of, yes, now I got it.
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And then you're like a little bit in
front, when you say like the, force of the
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wing which pushes you up has to be like a
little bit back of your center of gravity.
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Just a little bit.
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Because then it's like
giving you this push and this
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feeling of, yes, now I got it.
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But if this is like one centimeter too
far in front, then you get like this
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pitch up feeling and you lose speed.
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And this is where you
have a lot of pressure.
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So the pressure is more, but
it's not like pulling you.
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It's just like pushing you.
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and that's the feeling
you have to separate.
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Like at the beginning, I was always
searching for this push, but the push
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is actually just, if the angle is too
high and the fall is too fine front.
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So it pushes you.
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But in the end, the glide ratio was bad.
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But you have this feeling
of, yes, I got to push.
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Yes.
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But then I learned that feeling of
the pulling and if I get this now,
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Then I know, okay, now let's go.
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And I know that the glide rush is
good and I get the feedback of it.
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Yeah.
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And then it's, a really nice feeling
if you feel now it's supporting me
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and now I have it in the right way.
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Laurent: So the sweet spot, speak,
it was really evident once you nailed
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it, it was like, okay, that's it.
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Peter: Yeah.
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Totally
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Laurent: Okay.
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So like I'm just imagining now that
you're going through this testing
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process of finding where that sweet
spot is, that you have like this,
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somehow it's connected to your body.
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I think I saw some pictures of you
like putting it on or something,
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but were you able to move it forward
and aft like by some tightening
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system or how did that work?
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Peter: Yeah.
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There's so many variables.
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I have a chest mount, so it's, it
started actually with the originally
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one from the electrified wingsuit,
but then we realized it has to be way
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more stable, so we have a full carbon
fiber chest mount, first 3D printed and
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carbon fiber, so we like 3D scanned my
upper body and made a mount like this.
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Perfectly fitting on my upper body.
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And then you tighten it like a lot.
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So it's actually super hard to, breathe
all these things, important things.
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and then I have connected it with a mast.
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So I have this one mast and the
wing that connects to my body.
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So it's like just weird.
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I'm just one with it.
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So my upper body is one with the wing
and that's also how you steer it.
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Laurent: Now one of the first things
that like, I work in a newsroom.
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the first time I heard about it,
one of my colleagues who worked at
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the sport desk said, Hey, have you
just check, come check this out.
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Have you seen this?
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And and it was a picture of you
and I was like, Oh yeah, he's
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probably done some wingsuits.
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And then she showed me the video.
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So I was like, God damn.
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Wow.
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And the first thing I thought
about was like, The exit.
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That must have been, yeah,
that's a sensitive moment.
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tell us a little bit about exiting
with the foil, and how'd that feel,
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and your thoughts behind all that.
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Peter: Yeah.
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I think the exit is, the scariest
part, actually not for me anymore.
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I have to say, for sure it's
still, not, easy by far.
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But I know like that I was expecting
that people would say Whoa, yeah,
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I want to jump this as well.
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But there was like almost none,
like one to two people said,
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yeah, I would love to try.
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And the other ones were like, do you
have a little one which we can try?
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it looks scary staying up there, on
top of the mountain with that big wing.
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And I think for me, it's okay
because I had all this, Progress
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and starting from the little
ones, getting bigger and bigger.
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And we had the first foils that
were like way closer to the body.
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Laurent: Mm
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Peter: and it was way easier
to fly, I have to say, but also
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the performance was way less.
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And for the exit, it was
almost a normal exit.
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it was closer, it was smaller.
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I was jumping in Italy and it was
like, even in full terminals, I was
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like exiting, super good, numbers,
flying next to the wall, almost
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proximity flying, because it was
feeling just like normal flying.
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but then we realized, yeah, but
we want to have more performance.
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And so it got further away.
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And due to that, also the wing could
get bigger because we have, I have
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then more space for my legs because now
the wing is like underneath my knees.
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So I can bend my knees.
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I do this one foot exit, right?
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So I have one foot in front and
then I have the wing underneath
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my knee and I have certain
movability where I can go down.
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Then I push my upper body down to the
point where it hits my lower legs.
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And then I stay with this position
and then I just let my body fall.
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And then I push.
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And mainly I push from my lower
legs, like not fully from the knees.
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It's more like push from the,
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Laurent: The calves.
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Peter: from the calves itself.
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Yes.
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Laurent: Oh, okay.
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Interesting.
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So you can't get sorry, go ahead.
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Peter: you can get like this normal
full aggressive exit, which I really
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love, like staying there, like the
race exit and just Push your whole
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body, bring it down and then push
away, like even lower than the horizon.
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This is what's not, this is
not working with that one.
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So you have to check, especially
on the big wing, you have to
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check to the wingtips so that you
don't hit anything there then.
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So on the first exit, I was always
looking to one side where it's
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which the one which is closer to the
rock or to the grass or whatever.
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And so I always had to exit like sideways
to check, On my movement, if it's even
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going down lower than where I'm standing.
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So I had to learn exiting in a
way that it's, good and safe.
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Laurent: Did you have any bad exits?
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Peter: Yes.
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No, I had, this one or two bad exits where
I was like a little bit too head high.
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And somehow even the wingset didn't
inflate perfectly because I think
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it was like hidden under the, behind
the wing and the wing was stalling.
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So like the wing was stalling and
just going down straight and I was
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above like, wow, I had this feeling
of going over the wing and Then I
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realized that just, I have to bring my
body down before the exit to be able
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to jump lower and not like head high.
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So head highs, not the
really nice feeling.
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And you also have to arch then to get, get
it back in the right angle and then fly.
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So I had this one, one jump in France
actually, where after this effort, Whoa,
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I have to change something on the exit
because this doesn't feel really good.
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And then I trained for it,
and then it worked way better.
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And also, the wing even changed more,
because it was, like, stalling for
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10 12 seconds after the exit, because
it was just, not attached perfectly.
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Laurent: Okay.
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most wingsuits have
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An angle in which like an acceptable
angle of which you push right
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where you have a good start or an
acceptable start and then anything
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outside of that, you have a bad exit.
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I'm, assuming with the foil that
exit window is, a little, or
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angle is a little bit smaller.
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Is that accurate?
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Yeah,
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Peter: I also fought that.
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And flying wise, the angle is way smaller.
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but exit wise, and also, for the
flare and for the pull, I realized
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it actually doesn't matter too much.
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for sure you want to exit in the right
angle, but the only thing is you then
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just don't start flying so nice and so
early, but it also doesn't affect you
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directly that like this stalling of
the wing, just switching your sides or
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is turning you or something like this.
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So because you push the
energy is still going forward.
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and you don't have a lot of speed.
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So the wing is stalling, but
still you don't reach the
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speed where it's important.
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And then you need to push down
with your upper body to get it into
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the right angle after a certain
amount of time after the exit.
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You know what I mean?
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yeah,
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was a little bit complicated,
but let's say the last, the
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first three, four seconds.
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I expect that it's, more important
like after three or four seconds to
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then bring the wing in the right angle
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Laurent: Okay.
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Peter: do it from the beginning.
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But for sure the progression, of the,
wing and the, next development will be in
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a way that the exits have to be better.
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They have to be nicer.
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I want to be able to do like
almost like a normal exit.
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Laurent: Okay.
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doing this, do you feel like flying with
the foil is primarily like a stunt or is
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this something that you can conceivably
see as evolving into regular practice?
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taking a foil into the
mountains with you, for example.
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Peter: I would say for me personally
it will be Not like regular flying, but
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it will be like special jumps a year
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Laurent: Okay.
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Peter: I say I really would like to jump
that mountain and fly to that village
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because I know now I know what's possible.
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And I already have this list of 20 exit
points where I thought of, yes, here I
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should really, go for it and try it with
the fall, but I still love the normal
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wingsuit and The many possibilities you
have in wingsuit flying and the freedom,
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with the foil, it's, then
it's like a different sport.
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It's, let's say, I think in the
future there will be like one
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discipline in wingsuit flying, which
is like this experimental stuff.
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Like the others fly with the
carpet, I fly with the foils.
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That's just like this interest,
these things where you, where
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we not know, what's going to be
like regular sport in the future.
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I think that, I already, we are continue
developing and we already have this
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different foils in progression where
I know I will have three foils in
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the future where I think, okay, now
I do this or I do that or I do this.
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But maybe we talk about it later.
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Anyway.
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Laurent: we talked a little
bit about pitch angle.
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now what about, The yaw, and, roll.
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I can imagine that the
roll is pretty sensitive.
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or yeah, I actually have no idea.
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Tell me.
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Peter: Yeah.
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there was like a, even the prototypes,
which were like closer to my body again.
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it really doesn't matter a lot.
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So I was doing corkscrews.
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I was going for full dive and full
flare, like so many, maneuvers.
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And, I even did it was just in the
tunnel, but I did like back flying.
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So I was able to do many things.
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But now with, that one, I realized
that it's so much more sensitive.
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That even like, I have to do
like super sensitive, small
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turns to not stall that wing.
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So I learned to fly with the frets.
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I had like frets on the wing to always
like immediately see when it's stalling.
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And then a second after you feel it
anyway, but I learned it like this, just
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to know which turns are allowed with that
wing and as we had so many prototypes
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and settings, I really then knew which
wing with which wing I can do what.
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And the final wing I used for the best
glide, it, it was the one for the best
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glide, but it was not the one for nice,
sweet turns and maneuvers like this.
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So you have to be pretty careful and
just make like super tiny, small turns.
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Laurent: So now the progression, you
talked about the tunnel a little bit.
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I'm assuming, man, you did a really
good job of keeping this a secret.
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you, that was the first flight
with, in the tunnel or was it, yeah.
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Tell me like what the first
experiments with it was like.
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Peter: Yeah, the first one
was actually in the tunnel.
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It was like the first, two prototypes
actually were in the tunnel.
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but we did a little mistake
there because we then started
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developing the wing for the tunnel.
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So in a way that it works nice in the
tunnel, and then we flew outside and we
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just didn't get like nice glide out of it.
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And then on one point we totally
swapped this development to like
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really develop it from the helicopter
and later even from the base jumping.
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But yeah, the first, first
was in the tunnel, where you
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have the, just the direct.
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Reference, like to the wall, where
you can really see, okay, when
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I shift my upper body up, then
it pushes you up to the wall.
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So you have to push down the upper body.
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So I learned to fly
that wing in the tunnel.
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So yeah.
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Actually, even the same,
like with the last wings now,
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they also fly the same way.
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So the best would be to have a reference
next to you and then to see okay, when I
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push my upper body down, then I'll make
a lower angle of attack of the wing.
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And this pushes me down.
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And if you normally
want to fly like slower.
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Then you put your upper body upright,
especially in the tunnel, like head back.
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But if you do this with the wing,
then you just get pushed perfectly up.
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So you make a full flare.
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And because of this, yeah, I
had to really find out different
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things in the tunnel first.
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And then on the skydive, it was really
surprising, especially like the pull.
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So if you normally pull, you
put your shoulders back, right?
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to make a nice, reach the
palatute and then pull.
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And when I do this with the
wing, then I was like, I had
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a full flare in that moment.
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So the wing is just like pushing
you up so much on that point
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where you actually want to pull.
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And that was really
weird at the beginning.
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And now with the new wing.
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Doesn't work because it's stalling.
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So when, because then the angle
is too high and it's stalling and
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it's actually not too bad for the
pull because you just then get
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dropped down and you can nicely pull
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Laurent: Okay.
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So if I understand correctly, then the
first earlier iterations of the wing, you
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were doing a normal pull sequence and it
just gave you like a really big flare.
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So it worked out.
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Okay.
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But then as you developed a, into more
high performance foil, you had to like
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really control your pull sequence.
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Your pitch angle and the
position of your shoulders so
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that you weren't over flaring.
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Is that right?
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Peter: with the first ones.
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Yeah.
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With the last ones, you couldn't flare.
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Laurent: Okay,
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Peter: just like super slightly, but
it was really no wing for flaring.
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I already know what I would change on
that wing, or actually we already are
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changing it that you can also flare
and do like other different things, but
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this was just like a best client wing.
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And on one point we had to make
the project and not just continue
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developing for another year.
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So we said, okay, now let's do it.
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It's acceptable.
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The glide is good.
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Now we go for it.
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Laurent: so you have all the tools
then it's this is like your performance
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wing and then there's going to be
like a free ride wing and You have
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all the different, in between.
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Peter: Yeah, and I think I was like, it
would be nice to go into a direction where
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it's like really nice, where maybe people
can try it or even make their own ones.
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because I, never started this to
make like a business out of it.
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So I'm not this kind of guy.
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And also, yeah, I really
don't want to make.
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Wings and sell them and then
people like go in with it.
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It's yeah, it's just like I don't
want that But i'm I know that it
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can be an inspiration and there will
be people Maybe not from that wing,
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but maybe from the future stuff
where they think yeah, why not?
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Let's make something like
this, but I don't know.
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Let's see
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Laurent: Yeah, let's see.
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I'm sure, it's inspired a lot of people,
both in the sport and outside of it.
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I can only imagine that people
are going to want to try it.
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you said you're not a guy who
wants to make this a business.
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So what kind of guy are you?
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An innovator?
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you, like the innovation or you
like the, sensations it brings?
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what was really your
motivating factor here?
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Peter: I really like the
innovation like from the beginning.
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I mean I was You Developing track
suits at the beginning together
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with pressurized, then helping
Phoenix fly, making the electrified
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wingsuit, no making the wingsuit foil.
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So it's like the innovation,
the innovating and also
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like improving human flight.
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So I want to fly longer.
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I want to, like, when I look out of my
window here, then I see like all this
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mountains and I didn't jump yet, but I
know like now I can jump this mountain
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and not just land like On the bottom
of the cliff in this like little tiny
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landing area I can just fly out all the
way and land on the biggest fields you
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can imagine And this is why I actually
made it and that's where the ideas
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come from So looking at mountains and
thinking of experiences you can do
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when the wingsuit would fly better.
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Laurent: So we established that, you're
also a paragliding instructor and pilot.
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is that something that you
still do on a regular basis?
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Peter: Not too much anymore, actually.
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So tandem flying I'm doing
with my kids, I'm doing with my
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parents, family, some friends.
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really fun.
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And, the teaching the paragliding,
yeah, I didn't do any this year.
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I was just too busy doing other things.
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And yeah, I really love it.
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I love to teach somebody like in this fast
way where, which paragliding is like after
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one week they can fly for themselves,
but on the other side, it's, so dependent
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on the weather and so many things.
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And I always if I have one week, of
course, like the three, four weeks
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before I also already, I just think of
that week, I hope the weather is good.
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I hope this, that,
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Laurent: yeah,
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Peter: so there's a
lot of things going on.
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And now I'm like actually pretty
busy with other stuff, with this
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innovations with rebel, with BMW,
like this, yeah, many things going on.
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Laurent: You've been, really
successful in the partnerships
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you've developed, around flying.
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us a little bit about how you provided
value for these companies and how you
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created these relationships and because
I'm sure there's a lot of people that
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are listening going Oh, man, I want to
work with, someone like BMW or Red Bull.
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And, how has this experience,
shaped up for you and, do you have
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any advice for people listening?
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Peter: Oh, there's always like a big
luck factor, I think in it as well.
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Maybe I talk about projects
for me because BMW.
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was one thing where I was really lucky
to get the right contact somehow.
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So I had this idea, even like years
before we did the BMW project.
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we had that idea and we even presented it
to some companies and, they were like, Oh,
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yeah, but first you have to develop it.
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And then you have to show that it works.
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And then maybe we can think about it.
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And me and Andy, and he's
actually my, is my mentor is my.
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My partner, like business partner,
and he's also, he made the
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wing and he also helped me with
the Electrified Wings project.
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And yeah, we thought of maybe
we should just do it at our own.
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And we were thinking of like,
how much would that cost for us?
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And, maybe we, yeah, somehow I had
that stage of let's just do it.
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Even if I never had the money
for it, but I thought of selling
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this, selling that just to be
able to make the engine at myself.
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But then Andy was like,
ah, Peter, I don't know.
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And then I presented this idea
actually to a film production and
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the film production tried their
ways and tried it with different
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companies and also nothing happened.
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And then one year later I met
this guy from the film production,
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Max, and I, he said, yeah, Peter,
let's do something together.
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And I said, yeah, would be nice
to be, you have my concepts and
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he said, I will try it now again.
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And the next day he told,
me that he contacted,
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how you call the agency.
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Like where they do like
advertisements and things like this.
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and this agency said, it's super
interesting because we had BMW here
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and they were searching, for marketing
strikes towards electric mobility.
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And they were like, Oh, that's perfect.
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And then BMW contacted me
directly and said, yeah, can
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you come tomorrow to Munich?
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And I was there and then comes
actually the difficult part.
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So this was luck, right?
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I came there and then it took me one year.
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To make meetings, to really gave them
the trust that they should work with me.
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because they know like base jumpers,
wingsuit pilots, and they think of, yeah,
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how risky could that be for our brand?
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But, like somehow I managed it,
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that they had the trust in me and that
they said, yeah, let's, go for it.
455
00:28:32,722 --> 00:28:35,382
And after one year we made the
contract and then it started
456
00:28:35,382 --> 00:28:40,582
another two years of Development,
where there was also one key point.
457
00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:43,902
So I had to do the whole development.
458
00:28:44,022 --> 00:28:50,202
So it's maybe super important to know
that you somehow talk to a brand, but
459
00:28:50,202 --> 00:28:55,112
you tell them you don't have to have the
responsibility, like I can actually do it.
460
00:28:55,812 --> 00:28:56,602
So even.
461
00:28:57,297 --> 00:29:01,117
I got the money, but I had to pay
all the suppliers as an example.
462
00:29:02,767 --> 00:29:06,647
because then if something happens,
it's not their fault for sure.
463
00:29:06,647 --> 00:29:09,257
We had like contracts,
like special contracts.
464
00:29:09,287 --> 00:29:13,387
So actually everything would
have been my fault, my own fault.
465
00:29:13,547 --> 00:29:14,527
If something happens.
466
00:29:15,257 --> 00:29:20,507
And I think that was actually
important part, for them to, start
467
00:29:20,507 --> 00:29:23,417
that, the journey and the project.
468
00:29:24,557 --> 00:29:25,647
So this was BMW.
469
00:29:25,647 --> 00:29:26,187
Yeah,
470
00:29:26,537 --> 00:29:30,587
Laurent: So you had a lot of luck
just, in terms of networking and then,
471
00:29:31,157 --> 00:29:36,607
in the actual process of convincing
them or, selling them on the idea,
472
00:29:36,897 --> 00:29:41,727
you put a lot of your own legwork
and, finances into, development.
473
00:29:42,067 --> 00:29:46,177
And then, I would imagine too, that
there was a lot of these conversations
474
00:29:46,177 --> 00:29:52,532
that, us as, makes you pilots have it's,
Probably dispelling this idea that we're
475
00:29:52,532 --> 00:29:57,842
just some crazy adrenaline junkie, are
those some conversations that you've had
476
00:29:57,842 --> 00:30:00,982
regularly with, representatives from BMW?
477
00:30:01,002 --> 00:30:04,422
Ah,
478
00:30:05,382 --> 00:30:10,322
Peter: They knew like my, art of working
then, because I was, I'm also like a
479
00:30:10,322 --> 00:30:14,812
sports scientist, and I always describe
things like from the scientist side.
480
00:30:15,702 --> 00:30:20,662
So even like when, I make like a speech
about base jumping, people sometimes
481
00:30:20,662 --> 00:30:24,737
go home because They're bored in the
end because I'm not talking about
482
00:30:25,107 --> 00:30:30,277
like super risky and yeah, I just
survived this jump because of this
483
00:30:30,277 --> 00:30:32,827
and that like I'm totally opposite.
484
00:30:32,827 --> 00:30:36,797
So I say, yeah, you have the numbers
of the exit you get from the laser,
485
00:30:37,177 --> 00:30:40,887
you lay over your line of flight,
and then you know if it works
486
00:30:40,887 --> 00:30:43,637
or not, like this kind of stuff.
487
00:30:44,307 --> 00:30:48,387
and when you do this to a brand like
BMW, then for sure it works way better.
488
00:30:50,042 --> 00:30:50,652
Laurent: interesting.
489
00:30:51,032 --> 00:30:51,442
Yeah.
490
00:30:51,442 --> 00:30:57,472
I, there's definitely some people
in our sphere who are, carnage
491
00:30:57,482 --> 00:31:02,892
entrepreneurs, meaning that they
profit off of, their accidents
492
00:31:02,912 --> 00:31:06,562
and, the carnage videos that ensue.
493
00:31:07,052 --> 00:31:11,172
And so you're really, I think, in
a Position where you're taking the
494
00:31:11,182 --> 00:31:15,892
almost the exact opposite from a
scientific perspective and from a
495
00:31:15,902 --> 00:31:18,132
responsible athlete perspective.
496
00:31:19,222 --> 00:31:23,602
Peter: I think so but also to be
honest, I know that the other way would
497
00:31:23,602 --> 00:31:30,382
sell Way better like for the, main
audience, not for brands and managers,
498
00:31:31,442 --> 00:31:36,012
but if you look at let's say like
my best videos, it's, all like this,
499
00:31:36,112 --> 00:31:37,822
like people commenting, did he die?
500
00:31:37,872 --> 00:31:38,772
What happened to him?
501
00:31:39,632 --> 00:31:44,192
Like these are the videos which gets like
million of views and things like this and
502
00:31:44,192 --> 00:31:48,932
not where you describe how safe wingsuit
flying can be if you do this and that,
503
00:31:50,772 --> 00:31:51,902
but that's the opposite thing.
504
00:31:51,982 --> 00:31:55,232
You have to know who are you talking with?
505
00:31:55,562 --> 00:31:58,192
Is it the brand and the manager
where you want to sell something
506
00:31:58,192 --> 00:32:01,782
or is it the audience where you
get some views for your Instagram?
507
00:32:01,782 --> 00:32:04,822
Honestly,
508
00:32:05,112 --> 00:32:08,662
Laurent: online presence, you've
got a massive following now.
509
00:32:08,762 --> 00:32:11,502
is that something that's been a
challenge for you or is it something
510
00:32:11,502 --> 00:32:13,742
that came, it came out organically?
511
00:32:13,782 --> 00:32:19,122
Do you have, you had some sort of strategy
to develop it or, cause I, I think that,
512
00:32:19,742 --> 00:32:23,832
getting messages and all of the likes
and all that kind of stuff that comes
513
00:32:23,832 --> 00:32:25,752
along with it could, be overwhelming.
514
00:32:25,772 --> 00:32:27,032
So how's that been for you?
515
00:32:27,032 --> 00:32:29,602
Yeah,
516
00:32:31,882 --> 00:32:34,132
Peter: I have, not too much clue about it.
517
00:32:35,702 --> 00:32:41,002
all the followers, I tried like
different strategies and I even had
518
00:32:41,062 --> 00:32:45,602
people like helping me and they were
like, Peter, you have to do this, And
519
00:32:45,602 --> 00:32:47,992
then I tried it like for a few weeks.
520
00:32:48,362 --> 00:32:52,502
It was like a lot of work and
actually didn't change a lot.
521
00:32:53,062 --> 00:32:57,112
in my opinion, and then you
just have to write algorithm.
522
00:32:57,892 --> 00:33:00,192
don't ask me about this because
I have no idea about it.
523
00:33:00,937 --> 00:33:04,277
But then somehow I put on a
video where I think of, yeah,
524
00:33:04,347 --> 00:33:05,667
let's just put something out.
525
00:33:06,667 --> 00:33:09,367
and then this goes for millions of views.
526
00:33:10,937 --> 00:33:14,367
and I thought of understanding
it, but then there's another
527
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:18,777
video where I thought of ah, I
don't know, this will not be good.
528
00:33:18,807 --> 00:33:20,767
But then also this was really good.
529
00:33:20,817 --> 00:33:23,957
And I think I just got the
follow up because of that.
530
00:33:24,997 --> 00:33:29,117
It's not because I'm so active
and like post every day.
531
00:33:30,487 --> 00:33:34,437
I, share my life like a few
people do and they do it nice
532
00:33:34,437 --> 00:33:35,657
and they do it really good.
533
00:33:36,107 --> 00:33:39,507
So honestly, I'm a bit lucky in that.
534
00:33:40,057 --> 00:33:45,247
I have to say, and I'm not
super passionate about, like
535
00:33:45,387 --> 00:33:47,497
posting and sharing my life.
536
00:33:48,617 --> 00:33:49,677
it could be better.
537
00:33:49,677 --> 00:33:52,287
And even for the brands,
I know it could be better.
538
00:33:54,477 --> 00:33:55,797
But anyway, that's how it is.
539
00:33:55,807 --> 00:33:58,437
So I still like the real life more.
540
00:33:58,627 --> 00:34:03,507
I like to, do things and, but also
I want to show it for sure, somehow.
541
00:34:03,507 --> 00:34:06,707
And also for the brands, it's
important to show something.
542
00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:14,007
It's always to find for me to find the
best compromise, in doing social media
543
00:34:14,357 --> 00:34:16,457
and also just living life in real.
544
00:34:17,472 --> 00:34:17,832
Laurent: Yeah.
545
00:34:18,142 --> 00:34:23,012
it's going to be massively disrupting
and distracting to have, I've seen,
546
00:34:23,302 --> 00:34:27,262
I know some of our mutual friends who
are always on their phone, always.
547
00:34:27,727 --> 00:34:31,957
filming as we're making an approach
and, it gets a little bit ridiculous,
548
00:34:32,487 --> 00:34:35,917
that's fine if that's their, if
that's their natural voice and
549
00:34:35,917 --> 00:34:37,647
if that's them naturally, great.
550
00:34:38,177 --> 00:34:42,617
Otherwise when it's forced, man,
it's just, really, it's just can
551
00:34:42,617 --> 00:34:43,657
make you cringe a little bit.
552
00:34:44,027 --> 00:34:46,177
Peter: you know what my
opinion about this is.
553
00:34:46,537 --> 00:34:50,047
If you have a message which
really inspires people and which
554
00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:53,557
really helps people, then I
think it's a really cool job.
555
00:34:54,737 --> 00:34:58,697
you can change something and people
listen to you and they think of, Oh yes.
556
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:02,377
they, you giving them a
good feeling or whatever.
557
00:35:02,687 --> 00:35:04,797
And I know that there
are people out there.
558
00:35:06,207 --> 00:35:11,577
just sometimes what I'm talking or
I'm posting, I think of, but what
559
00:35:11,577 --> 00:35:14,757
does it really give, to the people?
560
00:35:15,307 --> 00:35:20,512
And then you have this, stupid video
like where just there's somebody on an
561
00:35:20,512 --> 00:35:25,932
exit walking to the exit jumping off
and then he's off and Getting millions
562
00:35:25,932 --> 00:35:30,502
of views and people the only comments
which are underneath is did he die?
563
00:35:30,532 --> 00:35:31,092
Did he die?
564
00:35:31,092 --> 00:35:36,702
So it's just get so much tension because
the people think you died and this
565
00:35:36,702 --> 00:35:41,992
is something like where I think of
I don't know If I want that too much
566
00:35:42,622 --> 00:35:46,082
Laurent: Yeah, not all
attention is, is equal, right?
567
00:35:46,122 --> 00:35:47,582
I guess is what you're trying to say.
568
00:35:47,992 --> 00:35:48,442
Peter: Yes,
569
00:35:48,972 --> 00:35:52,012
Laurent: and the kind of attention
you're looking for is to, leave a
570
00:35:52,032 --> 00:35:55,492
positive, resonance with your audience.
571
00:35:55,812 --> 00:35:56,252
Peter: yes
572
00:35:56,732 --> 00:35:57,772
Laurent: Yeah, I like that.
573
00:35:58,762 --> 00:36:02,892
There's also this element of social
media, too, where, you know, like,
574
00:36:03,342 --> 00:36:08,467
where you can, Make somebody strive for
attention, meaning push the boundaries
575
00:36:08,477 --> 00:36:14,587
farther or, it, and also creates an
element of normalcy because, a lot of
576
00:36:14,597 --> 00:36:18,667
the things that we see on social media
are just perfect exits, perfect flights.
577
00:36:19,027 --> 00:36:24,347
And there's not a whole lot of, substance
in, in relation to, the, either the
578
00:36:24,347 --> 00:36:28,792
progression or Close calls that people
have, or, even really indicating about
579
00:36:28,792 --> 00:36:33,352
how much danger is, just talking to
you now, I'm assuming that's something
580
00:36:33,352 --> 00:36:36,102
that's not really playing in your
mind, but is that something that you
581
00:36:36,102 --> 00:36:40,712
notice within our community and in,
mountain adventure sports in general,
582
00:36:42,042 --> 00:36:45,902
Peter: for sure, like for those
people who really live from the sport
583
00:36:45,902 --> 00:36:50,302
and have the sponsors, they will
not post things which went wrong.
584
00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:52,662
I assume.
585
00:36:54,262 --> 00:36:59,212
but then like for our community, we
anyway have this groups and Facebook
586
00:36:59,222 --> 00:37:04,342
where like people share like moments
which went wrong, which is really good
587
00:37:04,342 --> 00:37:05,712
and really important in my opinion.
588
00:37:06,982 --> 00:37:13,522
Laurent: I would say too, is as people,
professionals in our sport, they become
589
00:37:13,532 --> 00:37:18,092
less and less active in, let's say
commenting on the base fatality list
590
00:37:18,102 --> 00:37:20,562
or, the group that you just mentioned.
591
00:37:21,122 --> 00:37:26,372
is there a draw to, Not show this
because it shows that, maybe it could
592
00:37:26,382 --> 00:37:30,792
be used against you and one, trying
to create relationships with brands.
593
00:37:33,167 --> 00:37:36,057
Peter: it could be actually, I
didn't thought too much about it.
594
00:37:36,077 --> 00:37:36,697
Honestly.
595
00:37:37,837 --> 00:37:40,917
it's also because like they're
way less shitty things happening.
596
00:37:42,917 --> 00:37:48,457
which is good, but, I think I would
have, I would need to post things
597
00:37:48,457 --> 00:37:53,737
like from the past and from the first
years because there were so many
598
00:37:53,737 --> 00:37:57,357
things, honestly, yeah, I don't know.
599
00:37:58,097 --> 00:37:58,807
It's,
600
00:37:59,102 --> 00:38:00,672
Laurent: Let's dive into
the past a little bit.
601
00:38:00,902 --> 00:38:05,262
so you said earlier that, you
jumped off of your parents roof
602
00:38:05,292 --> 00:38:08,882
and that was like your beginnings
of, the thrill of free fall.
603
00:38:09,592 --> 00:38:12,892
how did the, what drew
you into base jumping?
604
00:38:12,912 --> 00:38:16,002
Where did you find out about it and
what were the first steps that you took?
605
00:38:16,977 --> 00:38:19,487
Peter: The first steps, good question.
606
00:38:20,267 --> 00:38:24,727
if I ask my parents, they always tell
me, yeah, you always started to jump
607
00:38:24,737 --> 00:38:28,467
from the table, then you jumped from
the balcony, then from the rooftop.
608
00:38:29,617 --> 00:38:31,797
So I had a big family,
I have four sisters.
609
00:38:33,167 --> 00:38:36,727
So we have many beds in the house,
so I put all the mattresses out
610
00:38:36,727 --> 00:38:39,687
in the garden, and made like a big
hill, and then jumping into it.
611
00:38:40,427 --> 00:38:44,457
So this came like super popular,
like even with friends, like this was
612
00:38:44,557 --> 00:38:46,687
balcony jumping, like we always did it.
613
00:38:47,497 --> 00:38:52,347
And then I knew I would, I wanted to
get the stuntman and within stuntman,
614
00:38:52,487 --> 00:38:54,707
my main discipline was like high falls.
615
00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:59,547
I really like to jump from things into
card boxes, air cushions, and so on.
616
00:39:00,437 --> 00:39:06,527
And also this, like I jumped higher,
like to, I can't remember, 27,
617
00:39:06,527 --> 00:39:07,677
28 meters, something like this.
618
00:39:08,292 --> 00:39:08,952
Laurent: 28 meters.
619
00:39:08,992 --> 00:39:09,402
Goddamn.
620
00:39:09,432 --> 00:39:09,932
Okay.
621
00:39:10,457 --> 00:39:13,267
Peter: And then it was like, yeah,
but how can I even go bigger?
622
00:39:14,307 --> 00:39:17,547
I have to, go skydiving and yeah.
623
00:39:17,597 --> 00:39:22,197
So I had a stunt team going on where
like I made like many dreams come true.
624
00:39:22,197 --> 00:39:27,317
Like within the stunt business, it's super
hard in Austria, but we just made it for
625
00:39:27,317 --> 00:39:29,387
ourselves mainly and made some shows.
626
00:39:30,212 --> 00:39:35,992
But then I started skydiving and like from
the first jumps I realized yes, that's
627
00:39:35,992 --> 00:39:40,152
the way but actually the base jumping is
the way and I didn't have too much money.
628
00:39:40,152 --> 00:39:42,712
So I was really not
into skydiving too much.
629
00:39:42,732 --> 00:39:49,362
I have to say, like with, Andy, where
I did my, base course, like he wanted
630
00:39:49,362 --> 00:39:52,842
to have 150 jumps and I did 151.
631
00:39:53,432 --> 00:39:55,672
So it was totally minimalistic.
632
00:39:56,802 --> 00:40:00,022
and then I started base jumping
and I was, it was so good.
633
00:40:00,897 --> 00:40:01,987
I liked it so much.
634
00:40:02,017 --> 00:40:05,617
And I was like starting to
track and then the tracking
635
00:40:05,617 --> 00:40:07,207
was getting better and better.
636
00:40:07,227 --> 00:40:12,567
And then I was so addicted to
tracking that I did five years just
637
00:40:12,587 --> 00:40:17,077
tracking and every wingsuit jump I
did in between was like, what's that?
638
00:40:17,117 --> 00:40:18,247
That's not real flying.
639
00:40:18,247 --> 00:40:21,197
That's like you fly with
this additional surfaces.
640
00:40:21,347 --> 00:40:25,157
And I really didn't like it, but
that's how like my progress was.
641
00:40:25,167 --> 00:40:28,907
So five years just full tracking
and then starting to wingsuit
642
00:40:28,907 --> 00:40:31,267
and I forced myself to wingsuit.
643
00:40:31,587 --> 00:40:34,397
Just because of the
amount of possibilities.
644
00:40:35,677 --> 00:40:38,797
especially in Austria, you have like
maybe five tracking jumps, something
645
00:40:38,797 --> 00:40:44,297
like this, or actually three, three
nice ones, and then two shitty ones
646
00:40:44,842 --> 00:40:45,042
Laurent: so
647
00:40:45,797 --> 00:40:46,707
Peter: have a lot,
648
00:40:47,122 --> 00:40:49,582
Laurent: when you were really
into tracking, what was it that
649
00:40:50,022 --> 00:40:52,642
like really inspired you to track?
650
00:40:52,652 --> 00:40:57,262
And what was it that you were
like really excited about tracking
651
00:40:59,697 --> 00:41:00,817
Peter: that it actually works.
652
00:41:02,497 --> 00:41:07,167
if you look at this tracking videos now
as a, wingsuit, especially like, this old
653
00:41:07,207 --> 00:41:12,612
ones, it's What the fuck like actually
really good glide and like full proxy
654
00:41:12,612 --> 00:41:18,762
tracking and without any range of Changing
the angle too much or no flaring and
655
00:41:19,192 --> 00:41:23,502
it's crazy if you now look back people
still do tracking and it's awesome.
656
00:41:24,112 --> 00:41:29,992
But if I look back at my old videos,
it's it's crazy how It's really difficult
657
00:41:30,082 --> 00:41:35,382
actually to get like a nice track out of
it So everything has to be perfect and
658
00:41:35,382 --> 00:41:39,702
I like to You Yeah, that you have the
right position for sure also the right
659
00:41:39,702 --> 00:41:44,632
suit and then you have this feeling
of yeah Now I'm the right spot now.
660
00:41:44,722 --> 00:41:48,502
Don't move anything Don't move your
head just stay like this and get the
661
00:41:48,502 --> 00:41:53,712
best out of it and then and track
out and then the new Possibilities
662
00:41:53,712 --> 00:41:56,072
you get when you track better.
663
00:41:56,322 --> 00:42:03,662
I remember these trips back in 2000
11, 12 in Norway, like where we jumped
664
00:42:03,662 --> 00:42:07,622
this tracking exit where people said,
yeah, there's one guy tracked it before.
665
00:42:08,102 --> 00:42:10,282
And I remember when
666
00:42:10,422 --> 00:42:10,862
Laurent: maybe?
667
00:42:11,522 --> 00:42:16,352
Peter: yeah, no, actually more
like more North, like Sunda,
668
00:42:16,352 --> 00:42:18,607
Sora, and like in this valleys.
669
00:42:18,672 --> 00:42:18,932
Laurent: Oh yeah.
670
00:42:18,982 --> 00:42:19,332
Okay.
671
00:42:19,827 --> 00:42:21,477
Peter: that was like crazy time.
672
00:42:21,547 --> 00:42:25,117
Like we were on the exit for one
hour or even more to really think of,
673
00:42:25,997 --> 00:42:27,377
will, it be possible to jump that?
674
00:42:27,377 --> 00:42:32,207
But we knew that in this case, Andre Carr
jumped it and we had him on the phone
675
00:42:32,207 --> 00:42:33,417
and he said, yes, that's the right spot.
676
00:42:33,477 --> 00:42:33,927
And we were like, really?
677
00:42:34,787 --> 00:42:35,387
Are you sure?
678
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:39,937
And then, and after one hour, we just
jumped it and it was like so good.
679
00:42:39,937 --> 00:42:41,537
And it was such an amazing flight.
680
00:42:42,277 --> 00:42:44,407
Our tracking was really good.
681
00:42:45,012 --> 00:42:48,472
Laurent: So the challenge is really
what sounds was to draw you to it.
682
00:42:48,977 --> 00:42:49,477
Peter: Yes.
683
00:42:49,877 --> 00:42:50,687
I would say so.
684
00:42:51,502 --> 00:42:55,412
Laurent: And I'm imagining now you,
you hit up Andy, Andrew, sorry.
685
00:42:55,612 --> 00:42:58,202
And how do you say his name again?
686
00:42:58,202 --> 00:42:58,612
Sorry.
687
00:42:59,087 --> 00:43:00,067
Peter: Andy, put Lipnick.
688
00:43:00,422 --> 00:43:00,842
Laurent: Okay.
689
00:43:01,432 --> 00:43:05,622
And so this was before the
ideas of, or we had read readily
690
00:43:05,622 --> 00:43:07,042
available laser range finders.
691
00:43:07,362 --> 00:43:10,982
So you guys throwing rocks, looking
at maps, that kind of thing.
692
00:43:11,302 --> 00:43:12,132
Peter: Yes, that's it.
693
00:43:12,912 --> 00:43:14,082
So it was like this.
694
00:43:14,922 --> 00:43:21,142
I mean in tracking more like six,
seven, eight seconds Necessarily,
695
00:43:21,732 --> 00:43:26,742
but in wingsuit it was sometimes
like four seconds I don't know, five
696
00:43:26,742 --> 00:43:29,102
seconds was good, like these things.
697
00:43:29,102 --> 00:43:34,032
And I really, I never liked that,
kind of stuff because it just
698
00:43:34,032 --> 00:43:36,172
depends on how, good you throw it.
699
00:43:36,172 --> 00:43:40,732
And in my case, before I was
thinking of developing a laser,
700
00:43:40,732 --> 00:43:45,572
I was, I really wanted to develop
a thing, where you throw a stone.
701
00:43:45,872 --> 00:43:51,822
With a specific force, just
to always have the same, from,
702
00:43:51,822 --> 00:43:53,872
and the same angle of flying.
703
00:43:54,452 --> 00:44:01,712
I never did, but I was always that guy
of I want to invent something to make it
704
00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:06,242
nicer and safer and more value evaluable.
705
00:44:06,392 --> 00:44:07,692
I don't know this word.
706
00:44:09,382 --> 00:44:11,282
Laurent: You more consistent
measurement basically.
707
00:44:11,832 --> 00:44:13,072
Yeah, no, I hear you.
708
00:44:13,082 --> 00:44:15,102
I remember someone with a exits I opened.
709
00:44:15,572 --> 00:44:18,862
it was like, okay, short
toss, five seconds.
710
00:44:19,522 --> 00:44:21,272
Really big toss, eight seconds.
711
00:44:21,302 --> 00:44:21,652
Okay.
712
00:44:21,652 --> 00:44:22,322
It's good to go.
713
00:44:22,552 --> 00:44:23,512
and it's what's that?
714
00:44:23,582 --> 00:44:25,322
It's like, how hard did you throw it?
715
00:44:25,722 --> 00:44:30,482
how much drag is the actual and the
weight of the rock actually, creating.
716
00:44:30,512 --> 00:44:30,892
And
717
00:44:33,252 --> 00:44:36,302
I feel so lucky now to have
all of these awesome tools.
718
00:44:36,792 --> 00:44:36,812
Peter: Yeah.
719
00:44:37,997 --> 00:44:40,907
Laurent: so back to the progression
of, for you in, jumping.
720
00:44:41,357 --> 00:44:46,637
so you were like, super into tracking
and can you talk a little bit about Andy,
721
00:44:46,637 --> 00:44:51,287
because, you've mentioned him a couple
of times and he's your mentor and, yeah.
722
00:44:51,317 --> 00:44:54,677
Can you talk a little bit about
that relationship and who he is?
723
00:44:55,572 --> 00:44:55,892
Peter: Sure.
724
00:44:56,512 --> 00:44:58,062
and he's, it's an Austrian guy.
725
00:44:58,942 --> 00:44:59,872
he started base jumping.
726
00:45:00,562 --> 00:45:07,092
2003 And these stories were like he was
trying to find the exit at monte prento
727
00:45:07,122 --> 00:45:13,512
for five hours so if you now think of
like People go there in the taxi and
728
00:45:13,522 --> 00:45:17,632
then they hike 10 to 15 minutes and
they on the exit and they hiked five
729
00:45:17,662 --> 00:45:21,692
hours He was there with his girlfriend
with two friends and on the exit.
730
00:45:21,692 --> 00:45:26,092
They were all crying and it was
So intense like these stories.
731
00:45:26,272 --> 00:45:31,967
It's so crazy and then he jumped and
it was like Just so good for him.
732
00:45:32,637 --> 00:45:38,647
And yeah, I started jumping
in 2008, 2009 base jumping.
733
00:45:39,067 --> 00:45:39,307
Laurent: Okay.
734
00:45:39,937 --> 00:45:42,397
Peter: with Andy, with, with pressurized.
735
00:45:42,617 --> 00:45:46,167
So Andy is the guy who's doing
pressurized, doing the track suits
736
00:45:46,167 --> 00:45:47,447
and also the first jump courses.
737
00:45:49,262 --> 00:45:53,522
yeah, and I started with him and
after, let's say two years, I was
738
00:45:53,522 --> 00:45:57,422
already so much into tracking that
I, I was test jumping for him.
739
00:45:58,172 --> 00:46:01,412
And then we even had the company
together for a bit, but actually
740
00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:06,402
just one year because we realized
it, it doesn't, fit for two people.
741
00:46:08,092 --> 00:46:08,482
yeah.
742
00:46:08,582 --> 00:46:11,082
And then I was helping
him developing the suits.
743
00:46:11,902 --> 00:46:16,062
The time where we had the company, we
were selling the suits, we made videos,
744
00:46:16,102 --> 00:46:17,562
advertisements, all these things.
745
00:46:19,052 --> 00:46:19,282
Yeah.
746
00:46:19,282 --> 00:46:23,432
But anyway, like Andy is like a
full innovator, so he has this
747
00:46:23,622 --> 00:46:27,992
passion of flying and he has that
thing of, I want to innovate.
748
00:46:28,002 --> 00:46:29,562
I want to make things better.
749
00:46:29,572 --> 00:46:31,952
And this is actually
the same, what I have.
750
00:46:32,772 --> 00:46:37,412
So if we have an idea together and if
we talk about it, then we are both,
751
00:46:38,382 --> 00:46:44,752
both in the same way, like so, happy and
so like full into it, that we can talk
752
00:46:44,752 --> 00:46:47,092
for hours, for days actually about it.
753
00:46:47,952 --> 00:46:50,332
And yeah, that's, the thing
why we always go for it.
754
00:46:50,502 --> 00:46:56,532
Get back together on trips and on
projects and I really like his passion.
755
00:46:57,302 --> 00:47:02,422
It's really cool And he was also he made
his wingsuits in between but mainly he
756
00:47:02,422 --> 00:47:08,792
was like tracking Then a few wingsuits
in between and now he really started to
757
00:47:08,792 --> 00:47:14,982
wingsuit again He's using like old my old
wingsuits actually and he really starts.
758
00:47:15,402 --> 00:47:20,797
liking it now I was able to bring
him up to Jungfrau as well when
759
00:47:20,797 --> 00:47:22,337
I did the Wingsuit 4 project.
760
00:47:23,567 --> 00:47:26,147
and, he liked it so much.
761
00:47:26,177 --> 00:47:29,627
Because it was like, I was so happy
to share that moment with him.
762
00:47:30,287 --> 00:47:32,167
Because he helped me
with the whole project.
763
00:47:33,877 --> 00:47:36,227
he made that wing, he
made all that things.
764
00:47:36,507 --> 00:47:39,717
And then I was able to stand up
there with him and watch him jumping.
765
00:47:39,757 --> 00:47:40,637
It was so good.
766
00:47:41,497 --> 00:47:42,117
Laurent: That's awesome.
767
00:47:42,627 --> 00:47:44,637
That's really cool to be able
to give that back like that.
768
00:47:45,027 --> 00:47:49,437
Sounds like you guys had a really good
working and mentor mentee relationship.
769
00:47:50,387 --> 00:47:51,777
you started really young, right?
770
00:47:51,777 --> 00:47:53,247
You were like 20 when you started?
771
00:47:54,157 --> 00:47:56,787
Man, I was not ready for
bass jumping at that age.
772
00:47:56,837 --> 00:48:00,927
That's, that's impressive that you were,
you had the maturity at that young age.
773
00:48:02,482 --> 00:48:07,752
Peter: mean, if I now think back
of that years, Oh, I don't know.
774
00:48:08,352 --> 00:48:11,482
So I personally also think you
have to be older and you have to
775
00:48:11,492 --> 00:48:17,562
have more experience, to start that
because I had so much luck for sure.
776
00:48:17,562 --> 00:48:22,652
Also, I had some skills, but I also
had a lot of work, a lot of luck in the
777
00:48:22,652 --> 00:48:24,772
first two, three years of base jumping.
778
00:48:25,887 --> 00:48:29,317
Laurent: Did you have some, do
you have any close call moments,
779
00:48:29,807 --> 00:48:30,887
that you want to share with us?
780
00:48:32,047 --> 00:48:35,007
I think it's also, it makes for some
really good stories, but I think this is
781
00:48:35,017 --> 00:48:40,097
also really helps for general learning,
learning from other people's mistakes.
782
00:48:40,492 --> 00:48:40,972
Peter: sure.
783
00:48:41,762 --> 00:48:43,792
Now I had quite a bit, I have to say.
784
00:48:45,212 --> 00:48:46,032
mainly.
785
00:48:46,782 --> 00:48:49,632
Ariel related, like Ariel is like
786
00:48:50,317 --> 00:48:51,087
Laurent: Off the exit.
787
00:48:51,332 --> 00:48:56,052
Peter: off the exit, like,
tracking, like in Italy, some
788
00:48:56,052 --> 00:48:58,612
exit points where you say, Okay.
789
00:48:58,612 --> 00:49:02,492
You can do one flip, but then you
have to start flying like immediately.
790
00:49:03,142 --> 00:49:06,192
And then I like over
rotated and did two flips.
791
00:49:06,202 --> 00:49:09,792
And then it was like super tight,
like flying super close over the
792
00:49:09,792 --> 00:49:13,422
ledge and then just pull the few
meters in front and then had like
793
00:49:13,422 --> 00:49:15,602
fully on heading, perfect opening.
794
00:49:16,552 --> 00:49:19,882
this was one, one thing, but
the worst was actually at,
795
00:49:22,637 --> 00:49:28,497
like in the Dolomites, like this was like
my actually favorite, trekking jumps,
796
00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:32,777
like actually afterwards, not on that one.
797
00:49:32,777 --> 00:49:37,697
I'm explaining now because we just
knew, we heard some stories of Ted
798
00:49:37,697 --> 00:49:42,807
Rod, like jumping it and maybe like
a few people, but like a handful.
799
00:49:43,537 --> 00:49:47,197
And we were searching for the
exit and then somehow we found it.
800
00:49:47,957 --> 00:49:52,307
And then we were like, okay, but then
this exit, we should not fuck up anything.
801
00:49:52,897 --> 00:49:57,317
So it's so really important that you
fully push and then don't fuck it up.
802
00:49:58,597 --> 00:50:00,717
and I never liked running exits.
803
00:50:01,567 --> 00:50:06,167
And in this case, actually never really
did them just for some areas, but
804
00:50:06,187 --> 00:50:10,117
always when I want to go for a nice
performance track, I always had one foot
805
00:50:10,117 --> 00:50:11,927
in front, same like wing sitting now.
806
00:50:12,517 --> 00:50:14,077
And I had my chumps.
807
00:50:14,487 --> 00:50:17,247
And in this case, it was like, Yeah,
but you have to do running here.
808
00:50:17,257 --> 00:50:20,697
And I was like, nah, but then
I also thought, yeah, maybe I
809
00:50:20,697 --> 00:50:21,927
really have to do running here.
810
00:50:22,317 --> 00:50:26,237
So somehow I did a running exit and
I was like, not convenient with it.
811
00:50:26,267 --> 00:50:27,957
I was not feeling perfectly.
812
00:50:28,657 --> 00:50:33,487
And then, yeah, and then I was
eating like, yeah, I was there
813
00:50:33,487 --> 00:50:37,437
and he was following me and I did
like a running and then I over
814
00:50:37,437 --> 00:50:40,507
rotated and probably I could have.
815
00:50:41,227 --> 00:50:42,737
Bring it out maybe.
816
00:50:43,747 --> 00:50:47,307
but I had this feeling of now I have
to do a front flip because I was
817
00:50:47,307 --> 00:50:49,177
flipping so often and front flips.
818
00:50:49,207 --> 00:50:51,677
I was actually not bad in it.
819
00:50:51,697 --> 00:50:52,577
I was pretty good in it.
820
00:50:52,577 --> 00:50:53,627
Let's say like this.
821
00:50:54,417 --> 00:50:58,447
So I over rotated and I was doing a
front flip and then during the sit,
822
00:50:58,487 --> 00:51:02,427
when I was like sit flying and then
going into the track, I already saw
823
00:51:02,447 --> 00:51:08,947
like the rock coming closer, closer,
And it was like, so really tight.
824
00:51:09,827 --> 00:51:15,257
But anyway, I then out tracked like
55 seconds, I think after this one.
825
00:51:16,037 --> 00:51:20,427
And I landed, and Andy was like, he
actually didn't see that I made it.
826
00:51:22,977 --> 00:51:26,197
he was fully, he was jumping,
he just saw that I left.
827
00:51:26,737 --> 00:51:29,337
And, what should he do with, the tracking?
828
00:51:29,337 --> 00:51:33,057
So I just continued flying out, and
landed, and was pretty surprised
829
00:51:33,067 --> 00:51:34,847
that I was coming as well.
830
00:51:36,027 --> 00:51:39,967
And, everyone was like, Peter, you
have to be super happy because now
831
00:51:39,967 --> 00:51:41,497
you survived something like this.
832
00:51:42,047 --> 00:51:43,777
And I was feeling so bad.
833
00:51:43,897 --> 00:51:48,617
So I don't know if, mostly, I think
mainly people who had a close call like
834
00:51:48,617 --> 00:51:51,147
this, they know how bad the feeling is.
835
00:51:51,907 --> 00:51:55,807
And I was actually afterwards getting
sick for 2 3 weeks, because just my
836
00:51:55,937 --> 00:52:01,647
belly, and I think it's just hard to
describe, but You're not feeling happy.
837
00:52:01,647 --> 00:52:05,037
You're like so angry about
yourself that this happened to you.
838
00:52:06,687 --> 00:52:08,187
Yeah, it was really bad.
839
00:52:08,247 --> 00:52:12,417
But after these two, three weeks, I
really continued flying and then I
840
00:52:12,417 --> 00:52:18,157
was just concentrating more on the
things like, I know I can do it and I
841
00:52:18,157 --> 00:52:20,147
really didn't like that running exit.
842
00:52:21,997 --> 00:52:24,497
So, I actually never really
did it afterwards as well.
843
00:52:24,787 --> 00:52:27,977
Maybe some, but then just on cliffs
where it really doesn't matter.
844
00:52:29,932 --> 00:52:35,152
it's probably not the smartest
way to, it's just stupid to do
845
00:52:35,342 --> 00:52:39,942
running exit on a tight exit,
without really practicing it before.
846
00:52:40,962 --> 00:52:46,152
Laurent: Yeah, I'm, I think the lesson
there is if you're going to use something,
847
00:52:46,172 --> 00:52:50,412
a technique that you need to survive, you
should practice it someplace where it's a
848
00:52:50,412 --> 00:52:52,264
little bit more mellow and get used to it.
849
00:52:52,792 --> 00:52:53,762
Peter: Yes, sure.
850
00:52:55,007 --> 00:52:56,897
Laurent: Man, that whole
feeling in your stomach.
851
00:52:56,937 --> 00:52:59,327
I, I'm totally sympathize with that.
852
00:52:59,337 --> 00:53:03,177
Like I had, that jump Chateau Descartes.
853
00:53:04,157 --> 00:53:06,267
It's like these, it's one in
France, but it's like these
854
00:53:06,962 --> 00:53:08,602
Peter: Ah, yeah, no, no
855
00:53:08,707 --> 00:53:09,527
Laurent: slalom it.
856
00:53:09,807 --> 00:53:09,897
And.
857
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:10,577
Yeah.
858
00:53:10,577 --> 00:53:15,617
And I was, I was in a earlier suit that
didn't have a lot of performance and
859
00:53:15,617 --> 00:53:18,457
I was seeing all these guys in Tony
suits flying over that first ledge
860
00:53:18,457 --> 00:53:20,187
and flying over the grassy knoll.
861
00:53:20,187 --> 00:53:21,457
And I was like, hi, I'm
going to fly that way.
862
00:53:22,517 --> 00:53:29,067
And I held a really high angle and
stalled right over the top of the,
863
00:53:29,067 --> 00:53:36,332
first, ridge and, just basically
lost all flight emergency pitched.
864
00:53:36,362 --> 00:53:38,762
And it was like something
like 30 feet off the ground.
865
00:53:38,762 --> 00:53:43,282
And thankfully I had an on heading
opening and, I had another thousand
866
00:53:43,292 --> 00:53:48,982
meters of parachute flight, just
like that feeling was so horrible.
867
00:53:49,062 --> 00:53:51,372
And I, just like you
said, in my belly, just,
868
00:53:52,302 --> 00:53:52,592
Peter: Yeah.
869
00:53:52,612 --> 00:53:54,632
Laurent: thinking about it
now, it's just like such
870
00:53:54,662 --> 00:53:57,192
disappointment, disgust in myself.
871
00:53:57,332 --> 00:53:57,572
Peter: Yeah.
872
00:53:58,447 --> 00:53:59,297
Nah, it's crazy.
873
00:53:59,687 --> 00:54:02,567
But then yeah, somehow I got smarter.
874
00:54:02,597 --> 00:54:07,227
I really trained for, things
which I want to practice.
875
00:54:07,967 --> 00:54:09,247
So it, was pretty good.
876
00:54:09,247 --> 00:54:15,842
And then I think I just had one
really wingsuit one where, It's
877
00:54:15,952 --> 00:54:19,812
actually an incident happening
pretty often where you have like your
878
00:54:19,812 --> 00:54:21,652
line of flying, you normally fly.
879
00:54:22,052 --> 00:54:23,982
And I did already two jumps there.
880
00:54:24,252 --> 00:54:27,762
It's not much, but I did two jumps
and I crossed on a certain point.
881
00:54:27,892 --> 00:54:33,192
And then I had this next jump where I had
super shitty conditions and I was really
882
00:54:33,192 --> 00:54:35,662
focusing myself to fly over the same spot.
883
00:54:35,662 --> 00:54:40,032
And I think it was like, I can't remember
five years ago or something like this.
884
00:54:40,862 --> 00:54:45,382
And I flew there and then I really
saw no, it's not going to work.
885
00:54:45,672 --> 00:54:47,792
And then you start a
little bit like flaring.
886
00:54:48,177 --> 00:54:51,807
And then you have to decide,
okay, now I have to decide if
887
00:54:51,807 --> 00:54:53,237
not, it's not going to work.
888
00:54:53,847 --> 00:54:58,427
And then to really like react on
that, because you always know it, you
889
00:54:58,427 --> 00:55:01,737
go through it, like mentally, what
should I do if this and that happens?
890
00:55:02,127 --> 00:55:05,257
But if you then really do
it, it's a different story.
891
00:55:06,257 --> 00:55:07,777
but I, did it then.
892
00:55:07,817 --> 00:55:12,712
And I did the turn, And then even like
with a turn and with a flare, I like,
893
00:55:13,282 --> 00:55:18,872
it was tough to made it like over that
ridge, but I'm like, so happy that I,
894
00:55:18,872 --> 00:55:21,612
made the decision and not just yeah,
895
00:55:24,102 --> 00:55:27,972
which is really bad, but quite a few
people like die in a way like this.
896
00:55:29,172 --> 00:55:33,692
They realize it's not gonna work, but then
they try to still, flair, try, the best,
897
00:55:33,712 --> 00:55:35,462
they still think they are able to do it.
898
00:55:37,062 --> 00:55:40,692
but, they should have done a
smart decision earlier before.
899
00:55:42,127 --> 00:55:43,257
Laurent: Yeah, probably like you.
900
00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:47,927
I've lost a few friends on very similar
situations where they're trying to glide
901
00:55:47,947 --> 00:55:54,607
into a line or a position or a feature and
they just don't have what it takes to get
902
00:55:54,607 --> 00:55:56,507
there and they're just locked in mentally.
903
00:55:58,217 --> 00:56:02,237
as someone who studies sports science,
do you have any real perspectives
904
00:56:02,237 --> 00:56:05,317
on that as far as like decision
makings that happen in flight?
905
00:56:07,682 --> 00:56:10,562
Peter: it's probably 10 years ago,
they made like a study that you
906
00:56:10,562 --> 00:56:15,562
actually are not able to make smart
decisions in the sky when you fly.
907
00:56:16,352 --> 00:56:18,412
But I always disagreed with that.
908
00:56:18,722 --> 00:56:19,972
Because I don't think that's true.
909
00:56:20,732 --> 00:56:25,362
but they made measurements of, I don't
say like any names, like who did it,
910
00:56:25,392 --> 00:56:29,912
but they did like measurements and
wingship pallets, really checking
911
00:56:29,912 --> 00:56:32,442
their, the brain capability or.
912
00:56:32,722 --> 00:56:34,552
Activeness, in flying.
913
00:56:34,552 --> 00:56:37,822
And they found out that actually
you should not be able to make
914
00:56:37,842 --> 00:56:39,452
any smart decision in the air.
915
00:56:41,502 --> 00:56:43,092
but I don't totally disagree.
916
00:56:43,092 --> 00:56:47,552
I think if you like have, if you
do something new and you're just
917
00:56:47,552 --> 00:56:53,727
like, So over focused that, that you
cannot make actually smart decisions
918
00:56:53,727 --> 00:56:58,337
because you're just concentrating
on this one thing and you just go
919
00:56:58,337 --> 00:57:01,487
for that one thing, then it's hard.
920
00:57:01,537 --> 00:57:02,327
But if you.
921
00:57:02,722 --> 00:57:08,312
If you feel comfortable and you go through
the jump like before you do it and all
922
00:57:08,322 --> 00:57:14,152
the plan B's and plan C's and plan D's,
then I think for sure we are able to
923
00:57:14,152 --> 00:57:19,872
do smart decisions, but we have to do
it and not just think about it before.
924
00:57:19,972 --> 00:57:22,232
And this is something
you really have to learn.
925
00:57:22,242 --> 00:57:28,532
I think, you have to, learn flying
and then while flying make decisions
926
00:57:28,982 --> 00:57:31,152
somehow it sounds, stupid, but
927
00:57:32,457 --> 00:57:34,087
Laurent: No, I think you're
onto something there.
928
00:57:34,087 --> 00:57:36,857
And I think it's really dependent
on the individual, right?
929
00:57:36,857 --> 00:57:39,957
Because you can have a lot of
stress at the exit point and
930
00:57:39,967 --> 00:57:44,007
focus tremendously on a particular
line or, way you're going to fly.
931
00:57:44,007 --> 00:57:48,687
And you get this sort of tunnel vision
and your awareness, whether it's,
932
00:57:48,807 --> 00:57:50,917
your cognitive abilities, your vision.
933
00:57:51,377 --> 00:57:56,917
Anything, sensory related, becomes
highly diminished, but if you're,
934
00:57:57,027 --> 00:58:03,197
relaxed, focused, open to, lots of
sensory input, then you can make better
935
00:58:03,197 --> 00:58:06,057
decisions, but that's, that varies, right?
936
00:58:06,387 --> 00:58:08,687
sometimes it's good and
sometimes it's not so good.
937
00:58:10,377 --> 00:58:13,517
Are you one of those guys that
visualizes at the exit point?
938
00:58:14,152 --> 00:58:14,982
Peter: yeah, for sure.
939
00:58:15,767 --> 00:58:19,437
Laurent: Can you walk us through
what your, your normal thought
940
00:58:19,447 --> 00:58:22,557
process and visualization
process is like before a jump?
941
00:58:24,097 --> 00:58:27,017
Peter: Actually, again,
I have to step back.
942
00:58:28,057 --> 00:58:31,157
At the beginning I was
actually, I was pretty crazy.
943
00:58:32,207 --> 00:58:37,507
when I did some routines on the
exit and the jump worked, then I
944
00:58:37,507 --> 00:58:39,197
always had the same routine again.
945
00:58:40,677 --> 00:58:45,207
Super stupid things I really have to love
if I think about myself back in the days.
946
00:58:46,337 --> 00:58:48,427
One example, my, my shoelaces.
947
00:58:48,437 --> 00:58:53,347
So I always had to put the shoelaces in a
specific spot, like just rotating inwards.
948
00:58:53,677 --> 00:58:54,357
Something like this.
949
00:58:54,357 --> 00:58:58,817
So I had to set myself these routines
to feel comfortable on the exit.
950
00:58:59,077 --> 00:59:01,467
When I'm on the exit, I was
thinking, fuck the shoelace.
951
00:59:01,467 --> 00:59:02,797
I think it's on the other side.
952
00:59:04,337 --> 00:59:05,737
I was not feeling comfortable.
953
00:59:06,287 --> 00:59:06,567
And.
954
00:59:07,472 --> 00:59:11,482
But then somehow after some years
where I got the trust in the
955
00:59:11,482 --> 00:59:15,042
sport, I got the trust in myself
in the suits and everything.
956
00:59:15,942 --> 00:59:21,602
Then I just forced myself to not do things
like this because I said, why should
957
00:59:21,602 --> 00:59:23,552
that fucking shoelace matter anything?
958
00:59:24,012 --> 00:59:27,232
So I was focusing on things which matters,
959
00:59:29,372 --> 00:59:33,162
how tight you pull your chest
strap or whatever things like this.
960
00:59:33,742 --> 00:59:34,732
that's still important.
961
00:59:35,832 --> 00:59:39,652
but not like things like this,
but I've probably people needed.
962
00:59:40,532 --> 00:59:44,302
at the beginning somehow to get
like the stability or to get
963
00:59:44,302 --> 00:59:46,882
like, yeah, just to get over it.
964
00:59:48,322 --> 00:59:53,622
but now what, I really like to
do is just to go from a jump and,
965
00:59:55,232 --> 00:59:58,622
depending what is the focus on
the jump, is it like the exit?
966
00:59:58,682 --> 00:59:59,632
Is it the line?
967
01:00:01,032 --> 01:00:02,652
then I'm in the exit itself.
968
01:00:02,692 --> 01:00:07,927
I almost go through Every time, I was,
I'm searching for a nice spot in the
969
01:00:07,927 --> 01:00:12,027
exit, I'm a bit picky with that, but when
I find a nice spot where I put my leg
970
01:00:12,037 --> 01:00:17,407
on, then I just imagine myself, I kind
of use like a technique where I look at
971
01:00:17,407 --> 01:00:22,517
myself from the outside, like, a camera
from the outside, and I imagine myself
972
01:00:22,527 --> 01:00:26,582
like, Then getting down at the right
angle, pushing off, flying the line.
973
01:00:27,402 --> 01:00:31,952
And I use this sometimes a couple of
times till I feel comfortable with it.
974
01:00:32,852 --> 01:00:37,282
And for sure, like sometimes if you fly
a line where there's a video online,
975
01:00:37,302 --> 01:00:39,152
you go through the video a few times.
976
01:00:40,512 --> 01:00:42,372
but then also not just a video.
977
01:00:42,402 --> 01:00:46,292
It's like really to imagine
myself flying that line.
978
01:00:47,182 --> 01:00:49,622
And what to do in which, which cases.
979
01:00:51,142 --> 01:00:51,422
Yeah.
980
01:00:51,472 --> 01:00:54,922
I think that's, actually my
technique just to go through.
981
01:00:55,382 --> 01:01:00,842
Imagine yourself, doing things
and then focus on specific things.
982
01:01:00,842 --> 01:01:03,082
And you can actually really train.
983
01:01:04,517 --> 01:01:05,827
specific things with that.
984
01:01:05,837 --> 01:01:13,157
So even an exit, in my opinion, if you
are really good in that, then you look
985
01:01:13,207 --> 01:01:19,137
at yourself from the outside and it's
yeah, I see myself doing different
986
01:01:19,147 --> 01:01:24,037
things, like going to go into the
front, upper body down, pushing me away.
987
01:01:24,627 --> 01:01:28,107
When you tension the legs,
where, which angle are you after
988
01:01:28,107 --> 01:01:29,887
the exit, all these things.
989
01:01:29,887 --> 01:01:32,707
And if you're good in this,
then you can just redo it.
990
01:01:33,127 --> 01:01:34,467
Did you feel, yeah, that's good.
991
01:01:35,007 --> 01:01:39,757
And then I think I just do
it then exactly the same, in
992
01:01:39,757 --> 01:01:42,487
real, like I trained it before.
993
01:01:43,867 --> 01:01:47,797
Laurent: So it sounds like you're
getting extra repetitions of training
994
01:01:47,807 --> 01:01:49,637
through your visualization process.
995
01:01:50,097 --> 01:01:50,847
Peter: I would say yes.
996
01:01:51,937 --> 01:01:54,567
Laurent: That's interesting that you're
saying from the outside perspective.
997
01:01:55,147 --> 01:01:57,467
All of my visualization
practice comes from like behind
998
01:01:57,467 --> 01:01:59,107
my eyes kind of perspective.
999
01:02:00,257 --> 01:02:01,037
I'll have to try that.
1000
01:02:01,087 --> 01:02:01,807
That's interesting.
1001
01:02:02,387 --> 01:02:03,917
Peter: Yeah, there's, there
are different ways, huh?
1002
01:02:04,007 --> 01:02:05,147
But this is how I do it.
1003
01:02:05,427 --> 01:02:10,037
But also if I like think of maneuvers,
whatever it is, acrobatic, wingset
1004
01:02:10,047 --> 01:02:12,467
stuff, then I always use my hands.
1005
01:02:12,957 --> 01:02:15,397
And I imagine myself, I am the hand.
1006
01:02:15,847 --> 01:02:18,547
So also here, like I'm
having the same thing.
1007
01:02:18,587 --> 01:02:23,077
So it's just how you
get into that situation.
1008
01:02:23,297 --> 01:02:24,657
I think it doesn't matter how you do it.
1009
01:02:24,657 --> 01:02:29,987
If you do it like from your eyes or
from the outside, just somehow you have
1010
01:02:29,987 --> 01:02:32,207
to think about it and go through it.
1011
01:02:33,522 --> 01:02:35,572
Laurent: Now, start performance.
1012
01:02:36,262 --> 01:02:38,252
I'm really interested in this topic.
1013
01:02:38,342 --> 01:02:39,652
what are your thoughts about?
1014
01:02:40,252 --> 01:02:41,232
start performance?
1015
01:02:41,782 --> 01:02:45,622
because before you said getting,
really low and pushing below
1016
01:02:45,622 --> 01:02:47,182
the horizon, things like that.
1017
01:02:47,262 --> 01:02:49,572
I'll just preface this
question with my thoughts.
1018
01:02:49,592 --> 01:02:54,152
First is just generally, I think that
there's different things that you want
1019
01:02:54,152 --> 01:02:55,742
to achieve through start performance.
1020
01:02:56,677 --> 01:03:00,907
Basically, do you want to generate
speed for the duration of your flight?
1021
01:03:01,357 --> 01:03:03,367
Do you want to be, are you racing?
1022
01:03:03,367 --> 01:03:07,177
So getting off of that exit
point as fast as possible, or
1023
01:03:07,227 --> 01:03:09,037
are you trying to clear a ledge?
1024
01:03:09,057 --> 01:03:12,107
Are you trying to clear, the
talus, that kind of thing.
1025
01:03:12,117 --> 01:03:15,717
So I think that there are many
different ways that you can
1026
01:03:15,807 --> 01:03:17,377
judge performance on the start.
1027
01:03:18,207 --> 01:03:22,507
but what are the things that you think
about, in terms of start performance?
1028
01:03:23,517 --> 01:03:23,657
Peter: Yeah.
1029
01:03:23,657 --> 01:03:26,887
What I think about is I don't
want to have any momentum.
1030
01:03:27,132 --> 01:03:33,532
So in the perfect case, I jump off in
an angle where I want to fly afterwards.
1031
01:03:34,812 --> 01:03:38,662
And as this angle is not
up, I'm not jumping up.
1032
01:03:38,722 --> 01:03:43,312
So I'm trying to jump like in an
angle, let's, say like this in a
1033
01:03:43,312 --> 01:03:45,742
perfect way where then also fly.
1034
01:03:47,212 --> 01:03:52,182
but I have to say, this is not
the safest way to learn for sure.
1035
01:03:53,202 --> 01:03:56,972
so at the beginning, you're always like
more, a little bit jumping up or even
1036
01:03:56,982 --> 01:04:02,417
like horizontal, then like arch, Wait
till it starts flying and then you go
1037
01:04:02,977 --> 01:04:07,267
And this is something you already have to
learn while tracking first slick tracking
1038
01:04:07,277 --> 01:04:11,997
tracksuit tracking Maybe one piece and
then with the small wingsuits bigger
1039
01:04:11,997 --> 01:04:17,807
wingsuits and so on and then if you feel
comfortable then in my opinion you always
1040
01:04:19,857 --> 01:04:26,877
Achieve or you try to get like lower
with your position to then jump off in
1041
01:04:26,877 --> 01:04:33,757
a way that like the force is really like
in your center of gravity, and perfectly
1042
01:04:33,757 --> 01:04:38,077
away of the cliff so that you don't
have this momentum and this rotations,
1043
01:04:38,547 --> 01:04:41,457
I don't like this rotations when you
jump off a little bit head high and
1044
01:04:41,457 --> 01:04:46,467
then like it rotates and then people get
scared and then they stall and then this
1045
01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:48,597
is how many accidents happen as well.
1046
01:04:49,187 --> 01:04:49,677
Laurent: Yeah.
1047
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,557
Peter: yeah, that's, how I do it.
1048
01:04:52,557 --> 01:04:55,337
And actually it doesn't
really matter for me.
1049
01:04:55,722 --> 01:05:01,992
If I'm going for a speed exit, if I'm
going for glidey, if I go for thermal
1050
01:05:01,992 --> 01:05:06,862
flying, whatever, acrobatics, so I
always do it in a similar way because
1051
01:05:06,872 --> 01:05:13,662
just my opinion is you want to reply it,
and do it like as, as often as possible
1052
01:05:13,662 --> 01:05:15,712
in the way how you feel it's the best.
1053
01:05:16,632 --> 01:05:20,132
But there are also like some magic
other exits where I look at people
1054
01:05:20,162 --> 01:05:23,122
and I think of, yeah, I don't know
why this actually works so good.
1055
01:05:25,282 --> 01:05:28,722
so it's not like that I'm saying,
yeah, my way is the best way for sure.
1056
01:05:29,632 --> 01:05:35,292
I just, I had some, good seasons
where really It's still like this,
1057
01:05:35,292 --> 01:05:40,602
but where I feel of, yeah, in this
way, I start flying the fastest
1058
01:05:41,317 --> 01:05:41,817
Laurent: Okay.
1059
01:05:42,072 --> 01:05:46,062
Peter: and the wings, it pressurized
the fastest and you start flying
1060
01:05:46,092 --> 01:05:48,112
away off the cliff, the fastest,
1061
01:05:48,162 --> 01:05:49,112
Laurent: You said feeling.
1062
01:05:49,112 --> 01:05:51,092
Now, are you a feelings guy?
1063
01:05:51,092 --> 01:05:53,092
Are you like a numbers crunching guy?
1064
01:05:53,132 --> 01:05:55,552
Are you like looking at your
fly side data all the time?
1065
01:05:55,572 --> 01:05:58,122
Or do you base a lot of
things on visuals and feeling?
1066
01:05:59,677 --> 01:06:05,527
Peter: I think you always, I personally
think it's important to do both.
1067
01:06:05,887 --> 01:06:12,107
So you have to have the
feelings, for it to, to just.
1068
01:06:12,497 --> 01:06:18,517
Yeah, to just have the passion and
to just like jump for fun as well.
1069
01:06:18,817 --> 01:06:21,547
And, but then the numbers
are super important to really
1070
01:06:21,547 --> 01:06:23,407
get the reference how it is.
1071
01:06:24,397 --> 01:06:28,807
So yeah, I think the best is to
jump and then listen to a feeling.
1072
01:06:28,807 --> 01:06:29,417
How was it?
1073
01:06:29,437 --> 01:06:33,617
And then check the numbers and
then I felt that it was good
1074
01:06:33,727 --> 01:06:35,727
and it's something like this.
1075
01:06:35,902 --> 01:06:36,752
Laurent: Yeah, that's right.
1076
01:06:36,762 --> 01:06:40,422
Like using the technology to almost
calibrate your feelings, right?
1077
01:06:40,482 --> 01:06:42,332
Because sometimes things can
feel great and you're like,
1078
01:06:42,452 --> 01:06:43,772
shit, that wasn't great at all.
1079
01:06:44,612 --> 01:06:44,962
Peter: yeah.
1080
01:06:45,402 --> 01:06:46,212
Laurent: Not so much anymore,
1081
01:06:46,352 --> 01:06:47,732
Peter: same like paragliding, maybe.
1082
01:06:47,852 --> 01:06:49,002
Paragliding is a good example.
1083
01:06:49,522 --> 01:06:53,582
So to learn thermal flying, it's
nice to get the feeling of it, but
1084
01:06:53,582 --> 01:06:56,992
then without the reference, you
will not be the best thermal flyer.
1085
01:06:57,822 --> 01:06:59,822
And I think the same is in pace jumping.
1086
01:07:00,242 --> 01:07:04,462
Without any numbers, it's not
safe in our sport anymore.
1087
01:07:05,952 --> 01:07:06,232
Laurent: Yeah,
1088
01:07:07,152 --> 01:07:09,972
Peter: if you wanna push and
go for more technical jumps.
1089
01:07:11,392 --> 01:07:14,162
Laurent: so you also talked
about your foot position and
1090
01:07:14,162 --> 01:07:15,632
you like a staggered stance.
1091
01:07:16,232 --> 01:07:17,532
what's the reason behind that?
1092
01:07:18,912 --> 01:07:20,002
Peter: Sorry, one more time.
1093
01:07:20,072 --> 01:07:23,612
Laurent: So I said your foot position,
staggered stance, meaning so like you
1094
01:07:23,622 --> 01:07:25,302
have one foot forward and one foot back.
1095
01:07:26,212 --> 01:07:26,362
Peter: yeah.
1096
01:07:28,092 --> 01:07:33,612
this is because I think of
so I imagine so many things.
1097
01:07:34,202 --> 01:07:38,322
let's say when I'm on a slippy rock,
then I go through it, and I imagine
1098
01:07:38,322 --> 01:07:41,812
myself when I jump off the slippy rock
in the, let's say like a little bit
1099
01:07:41,812 --> 01:07:45,642
sideways, because the exit direction
is like this, then I cannot do it.
1100
01:07:46,512 --> 01:07:51,722
if I have a slippy exit, and my foot
is positioned like this, Then I have
1101
01:07:51,792 --> 01:08:00,202
this, thoughts of forces, so I imagine
myself, I'm a force and then in
1102
01:08:00,202 --> 01:08:02,742
this angle, you will just easy slip.
1103
01:08:03,242 --> 01:08:05,832
So I think that's like my
technical thing behind it.
1104
01:08:05,832 --> 01:08:11,712
So I really like, a lot of do
a lot of mathematics or did and
1105
01:08:11,782 --> 01:08:15,992
drawing like forces and then getting
out the aerodynamics behind it.
1106
01:08:16,572 --> 01:08:19,882
And maybe because of this, I
really think of their forces.
1107
01:08:20,012 --> 01:08:25,052
And if I think of myself forcing in this
direction, and it's slippery, then I slip.
1108
01:08:25,472 --> 01:08:26,432
So I don't like it.
1109
01:08:26,972 --> 01:08:32,012
So I always I'm picky with that to
find like a spot where I can push in a
1110
01:08:32,012 --> 01:08:38,172
direction where there is no shifting or
where the force is directly 90 degrees
1111
01:08:38,172 --> 01:08:39,882
in the perfect way away of the rock.
1112
01:08:40,392 --> 01:08:44,542
And because of this, I also think I don't
like the running exits because you will
1113
01:08:44,542 --> 01:08:47,682
never have your leg perfectly on the spot.
1114
01:08:49,512 --> 01:08:54,602
And people sometimes, they run I'm
fascinated in it, super technical
1115
01:08:54,652 --> 01:08:59,692
trekking jumps in France, French
guys, back in the days, videos, what
1116
01:08:59,692 --> 01:09:04,752
the fuck, they run 10 meters full
out, and just throw themselves out.
1117
01:09:06,032 --> 01:09:09,872
somehow it works and they're
really good, but I couldn't do it.
1118
01:09:10,022 --> 01:09:13,862
Like I did the same jump, like
I can't remember the name,
1119
01:09:13,862 --> 01:09:15,392
Charu, something like this.
1120
01:09:15,452 --> 01:09:19,072
I think Charu, is it like
a technical tracking jump?
1121
01:09:19,882 --> 01:09:21,592
Maybe I have the wrong, I don't think so.
1122
01:09:21,892 --> 01:09:26,482
And I was there with the two piece,
like in 2011 maybe, something like this.
1123
01:09:27,292 --> 01:09:29,932
And also there people told
me you have to do running.
1124
01:09:30,092 --> 01:09:34,332
You have to do their running, and I
was like, No, I will not do running
1125
01:09:34,332 --> 01:09:38,632
and I feel comfortable to do that, like
with one foot in front, and I did it.
1126
01:09:39,012 --> 01:09:44,592
And I just think I bring my body faster
in the right angle to be able to fly away.
1127
01:09:45,522 --> 01:09:49,672
And if somebody is running, he will
have He will be further away at the
1128
01:09:49,672 --> 01:09:54,252
beginning, but then it's more difficult
to get into the right angle to fly away.
1129
01:09:55,642 --> 01:10:01,722
So I take that disadvantage to
have a little bit less pool, but
1130
01:10:01,722 --> 01:10:03,142
I have my body in the right angle.
1131
01:10:04,587 --> 01:10:05,657
Laurent: So you gave me a lot of,
1132
01:10:05,922 --> 01:10:07,842
Peter: wingsuiting and for everything.
1133
01:10:08,077 --> 01:10:10,967
Laurent: yeah, you gave me a lot
of hand gestures too, when you
1134
01:10:10,967 --> 01:10:12,067
were talking about your angles.
1135
01:10:12,067 --> 01:10:14,067
So let's maybe we can
verbalize that a little bit.
1136
01:10:14,817 --> 01:10:19,067
so you basically, you want to have your
foot over the edge, pushing away from
1137
01:10:19,067 --> 01:10:21,567
the rock is what you're saying, right?
1138
01:10:21,702 --> 01:10:22,172
Peter: Yes.
1139
01:10:22,447 --> 01:10:26,767
Laurent: And are you really pushing
at a 90 degree angle from the cliff?
1140
01:10:28,677 --> 01:10:29,187
Wow.
1141
01:10:29,267 --> 01:10:29,747
Okay.
1142
01:10:30,032 --> 01:10:30,382
Peter: Yeah.
1143
01:10:30,947 --> 01:10:31,247
Laurent: And you
1144
01:10:31,312 --> 01:10:33,302
Peter: race exits, even lower.
1145
01:10:33,757 --> 01:10:34,547
Laurent: even lower.
1146
01:10:34,617 --> 01:10:35,117
Okay.
1147
01:10:35,117 --> 01:10:35,447
Okay.
1148
01:10:35,447 --> 01:10:35,847
And so you.
1149
01:10:35,862 --> 01:10:38,122
Peter: these pictures of myself
where like I'm pushing like
1150
01:10:38,262 --> 01:10:41,362
this, but if people say then
1151
01:10:41,722 --> 01:10:43,482
Laurent: 45 degree angle
away from the cliff.
1152
01:10:44,237 --> 01:10:48,847
Peter: Yeah, let's see, if, this is
90, then it's 100 or 120, like 10 or
1153
01:10:48,847 --> 01:10:50,967
20 degrees lower than the horizon.
1154
01:10:51,277 --> 01:10:51,657
Laurent: Okay.
1155
01:10:53,537 --> 01:10:57,537
Peter: But like I said, this is not
something I recommend to just do it.
1156
01:10:57,647 --> 01:11:02,687
It's something like you can work yourself
down in a way and you will see if
1157
01:11:02,687 --> 01:11:04,417
this is something good for you or not.
1158
01:11:06,157 --> 01:11:11,057
Laurent: And you can't get that angle
on the position that you're going to be
1159
01:11:11,057 --> 01:11:13,447
pushing from with both feet out in front.
1160
01:11:15,577 --> 01:11:16,337
I agree with you.
1161
01:11:16,347 --> 01:11:20,887
Like I like to push, I'm a little bit,
honestly, more of an up and over kind
1162
01:11:20,887 --> 01:11:23,047
of person, when I've starting, but,
1163
01:11:25,167 --> 01:11:31,737
when you want to push so aggressively at
a 90 or less angle from the wall, you're.
1164
01:11:32,692 --> 01:11:36,552
You're putting that back foot back so
that you can get that angle on your
1165
01:11:36,552 --> 01:11:38,582
foot without having to slip off of it.
1166
01:11:38,582 --> 01:11:39,102
Basically.
1167
01:11:39,377 --> 01:11:41,827
Peter: Yes, and you just,
you're more balanced.
1168
01:11:42,587 --> 01:11:47,007
So I have like my whole weight actually
on the back foot, like at the beginning.
1169
01:11:47,687 --> 01:11:51,667
But then you shift the weight to the
front to just check if that feels good.
1170
01:11:52,307 --> 01:11:56,867
And then to have a full performance,
in my opinion, performance exit, I
1171
01:11:56,887 --> 01:12:00,607
then in a way, give my weight from
the back foot to the front foot.
1172
01:12:00,607 --> 01:12:05,672
And in the same, I push my body down and
then push myself away with just one leg.
1173
01:12:06,412 --> 01:12:07,942
So the other one doesn't really matter.
1174
01:12:08,062 --> 01:12:10,182
It can stay like on shitty rocks.
1175
01:12:10,212 --> 01:12:14,612
I don't mind too much for this
one, but the front leg, the
1176
01:12:14,612 --> 01:12:16,122
position is super important for me.
1177
01:12:16,122 --> 01:12:20,192
And I'm that kind of guy, which I'm
like crawling on the exit to just put
1178
01:12:20,192 --> 01:12:23,952
like this a little bit here, a little
bit there, just to feel comfortable.
1179
01:12:24,192 --> 01:12:24,352
That's
1180
01:12:24,592 --> 01:12:25,922
Laurent: Yeah I'm like that too, man
1181
01:12:26,322 --> 01:12:26,672
Peter: You too.
1182
01:12:26,672 --> 01:12:31,012
Yeah.
1183
01:12:31,142 --> 01:12:34,502
Laurent: there was a little like wooden
platform and you couldn't really stagger
1184
01:12:34,502 --> 01:12:37,652
step very much And so like I was jumping
with two feet and I think that's like
1185
01:12:37,652 --> 01:12:42,002
the last place that I've jumped From
that, like that, cause I really liked
1186
01:12:42,002 --> 01:12:45,622
the, like a athletic position that you
get with a staggered step like that.
1187
01:12:45,902 --> 01:12:49,652
I swam as a young kid and, we were always
jumping from the blocks with the staggered
1188
01:12:49,662 --> 01:12:51,542
step and it just feels more athletic.
1189
01:12:54,042 --> 01:12:57,922
Peter: Now, I also thought of trying
it like next year, like to really
1190
01:12:58,252 --> 01:13:02,992
try to do two feet, exit and to
see the difference because for sure
1191
01:13:02,992 --> 01:13:04,982
with two legs, you can push more.
1192
01:13:05,882 --> 01:13:06,452
yes.
1193
01:13:06,832 --> 01:13:10,212
I'm just not sure if I feel
that comfortable and to get
1194
01:13:10,692 --> 01:13:12,022
my, body in the right angle.
1195
01:13:12,322 --> 01:13:15,072
But like for the races,
it could be a difference.
1196
01:13:16,702 --> 01:13:17,242
I'm not sure.
1197
01:13:18,422 --> 01:13:20,062
Laurent: Is that something you
want to do more of in the future?
1198
01:13:20,092 --> 01:13:20,532
Racing?
1199
01:13:22,052 --> 01:13:23,032
Peter: I really like it.
1200
01:13:23,637 --> 01:13:25,657
So it's not like that.
1201
01:13:25,667 --> 01:13:27,567
I want to do it because I want to win.
1202
01:13:27,577 --> 01:13:30,107
It's just that I don't know
what it's like the challenge.
1203
01:13:30,697 --> 01:13:36,497
It's the challenge like to see where I am
and what I could train for to get better.
1204
01:13:37,707 --> 01:13:41,937
So I want to see the potential
of where I can get better.
1205
01:13:42,277 --> 01:13:44,027
And then it's just a question of
1206
01:13:46,142 --> 01:13:49,152
Do I have the time and
the motivation to do that?
1207
01:13:49,432 --> 01:13:53,512
And then it's every year there's like
some kind of stuff, but next year I
1208
01:13:53,512 --> 01:13:59,512
would love to go for more racing Always
1209
01:13:59,652 --> 01:14:01,442
Laurent: there was something else
that I wanted to ask you about.
1210
01:14:01,452 --> 01:14:07,337
Cause, like lately I've been, I've
been exiting and I keep my arms
1211
01:14:07,357 --> 01:14:14,777
really relaxed and I let the air
fill my wing and then create tension
1212
01:14:14,827 --> 01:14:18,977
as the wing is forming through the
air, pushing through the inlets.
1213
01:14:19,877 --> 01:14:25,897
Basically the wing is forming for me and
so I'm, I would say this, I've started
1214
01:14:25,907 --> 01:14:30,737
doing this way for the last few years
mostly because I don't jump technical
1215
01:14:30,737 --> 01:14:36,792
exits anymore and I like The feeling
of being ultimately relaxed, and then
1216
01:14:36,802 --> 01:14:42,652
also, protect me from if there's a wind,
I feel less vulnerable to influence
1217
01:14:42,662 --> 01:14:47,532
from wind, but I'm starting to doubt
that maybe that this is like the best
1218
01:14:47,592 --> 01:14:49,642
performance start that I could be getting.
1219
01:14:49,642 --> 01:14:54,052
And like you said, like I could find
myself, in a position where I need better
1220
01:14:54,052 --> 01:14:58,022
performance and it's probably a good idea
for me to continue to, instead of just
1221
01:14:58,032 --> 01:15:02,197
being like comfortable with my, where I'm
at is to push the boundaries a little bit
1222
01:15:02,207 --> 01:15:04,727
more and continue to work on performance.
1223
01:15:05,432 --> 01:15:06,132
Peter: Yeah, always
1224
01:15:06,737 --> 01:15:10,127
Laurent: do you like to go off
the cliff with your arms at your
1225
01:15:10,127 --> 01:15:15,077
side and physically push them
out before the wing is inflating?
1226
01:15:15,087 --> 01:15:16,827
Or what are your thoughts about that?
1227
01:15:17,912 --> 01:15:24,852
Peter: I think I push them out but not
like tensioning up So i'm not pushing
1228
01:15:24,852 --> 01:15:29,422
the wingsuit into like full that position
where it should be Because I also think
1229
01:15:29,422 --> 01:15:34,327
similar to what you said That it takes
a bit of time to bring the air in, and
1230
01:15:34,327 --> 01:15:40,227
the more you over tension the suit,
the less it can inflate, in my opinion.
1231
01:15:41,407 --> 01:15:44,867
I also do that, but I'm not, relaxing.
1232
01:15:46,337 --> 01:15:48,937
the core itself is, full tensioned.
1233
01:15:49,237 --> 01:15:51,327
It's, mainly on the whole flying.
1234
01:15:51,827 --> 01:15:53,847
I always have a tensioned, core.
1235
01:15:54,467 --> 01:15:59,697
And the arms are probably a
little bit looser, but I hold
1236
01:15:59,697 --> 01:16:00,317
them in the right position.
1237
01:16:00,887 --> 01:16:03,937
position, but not like, full tension.
1238
01:16:03,937 --> 01:16:06,437
I've
1239
01:16:06,527 --> 01:16:08,807
Laurent: directly in line with
your body or are you holding
1240
01:16:08,807 --> 01:16:10,307
a slightly anhedral position?
1241
01:16:11,132 --> 01:16:13,772
Meaning arms below the,
your center of mass.
1242
01:16:14,697 --> 01:16:20,007
Peter: no, I see that more and
more, especially from squirrel
1243
01:16:20,007 --> 01:16:26,487
suits and it actually, it looks
weird, but it somehow works.
1244
01:16:28,347 --> 01:16:31,237
but I'm, I think I have it like
neutral, like really on the side.
1245
01:16:32,092 --> 01:16:35,552
And I think like for sure,
like performance wise to
1246
01:16:35,562 --> 01:16:37,232
have them a little bit lower.
1247
01:16:38,472 --> 01:16:40,162
performance wise makes sense.
1248
01:16:40,912 --> 01:16:45,137
But then if you do it from the beginning
and you don't have the Perfect exit or
1249
01:16:45,137 --> 01:16:48,807
a little bit what you say a little bit
sidewind this and that and you do that
1250
01:16:49,297 --> 01:16:55,047
aggressive position Then it affects you
a lot So this is probably why it's just
1251
01:16:55,057 --> 01:17:00,487
like really good people doing it and it
could make sense but as a recommendation
1252
01:17:00,497 --> 01:17:06,837
like for many people, I would not say you
should do that or use from the beginning.
1253
01:17:06,967 --> 01:17:09,357
So like always it's a progress.
1254
01:17:09,902 --> 01:17:10,362
Laurent: Yeah.
1255
01:17:11,312 --> 01:17:14,332
Peter: I think everyone has to
find his way and then it's really
1256
01:17:14,332 --> 01:17:16,152
depends on the suit, like even.
1257
01:17:16,562 --> 01:17:20,532
Within PhoenixFly and for sure also
within Squirrel, there are some
1258
01:17:20,542 --> 01:17:24,762
specific suits which require like
different exit techniques a little bit.
1259
01:17:25,432 --> 01:17:29,272
Not like too much, like you can
jump almost the same with it.
1260
01:17:30,052 --> 01:17:33,992
But there are some, let's say in
PhoenixFly, when, you exit head high, then
1261
01:17:33,992 --> 01:17:37,392
you get like a full push down, head low.
1262
01:17:37,572 --> 01:17:40,522
And that's where I learned,
because of this actually, I
1263
01:17:40,522 --> 01:17:41,882
learned that way of doing it.
1264
01:17:42,372 --> 01:17:49,412
Of starts like to bring down the upper
body then push in perfect in the center
1265
01:17:49,412 --> 01:17:54,562
of gravity To because then the wings it
inflates and you cannot get any momentum
1266
01:17:54,562 --> 01:17:59,152
anymore So then you already start and you
fly away of the cliff in the right angle
1267
01:18:01,057 --> 01:18:03,917
Laurent: You're, speaking of
wingsuits and Phoenix Fly, Why don't
1268
01:18:03,917 --> 01:18:07,017
you, can you tell me a little bit
about the suit that you chose to do
1269
01:18:07,027 --> 01:18:09,827
with, the, foil project and, why?
1270
01:18:10,917 --> 01:18:16,847
Peter: the full project is I did with the
chima and the Chima actually is like a
1271
01:18:17,217 --> 01:18:20,317
suit for short starts and for high glide.
1272
01:18:20,337 --> 01:18:23,577
And this is what I want
to have on the project.
1273
01:18:24,757 --> 01:18:28,347
this is the start which, the
suit which starts the best, in my
1274
01:18:28,347 --> 01:18:29,917
opinion, from the Phoenixfly range.
1275
01:18:30,687 --> 01:18:32,087
And it also has the best glide.
1276
01:18:32,297 --> 01:18:34,867
Best constant glide for sure.
1277
01:18:34,867 --> 01:18:40,757
We also have the competition suit, the
vampire comp, which in my opinion, if
1278
01:18:40,787 --> 01:18:44,327
you gain speed first for the PPC and
all these things, for sure you have
1279
01:18:44,327 --> 01:18:48,977
more performance, but starting from the
beginning, if you have a good start,
1280
01:18:49,467 --> 01:18:53,887
including as well for the total flight,
then the Chima is the best to go.
1281
01:18:54,687 --> 01:18:59,187
And also it has like a super good
and easy pool, which I also wanted
1282
01:18:59,187 --> 01:19:01,447
to have for that, kind of jumping.
1283
01:19:02,632 --> 01:19:06,542
But yeah, I mean for the Phoenix
fly range, I really have like
1284
01:19:06,692 --> 01:19:08,092
almost all the suits at home.
1285
01:19:08,952 --> 01:19:13,282
Because I never, I was always thinking of,
I want to have once you'd where I can do
1286
01:19:13,282 --> 01:19:15,822
everything, but I found out that doesn't
1287
01:19:16,087 --> 01:19:17,627
Laurent: It doesn't exist, yeah.
1288
01:19:18,012 --> 01:19:18,302
Peter: no.
1289
01:19:18,362 --> 01:19:24,832
So I really like acrobatics and I
really like this high Alpine mountain
1290
01:19:24,832 --> 01:19:28,632
stuff where I personally take the
Chima and then I really like the
1291
01:19:28,632 --> 01:19:30,532
racing where I have the vampire.
1292
01:19:31,102 --> 01:19:32,842
So I have minimum three suits.
1293
01:19:32,872 --> 01:19:35,662
Now then I have this kind of thing,
acrobatic suit, the smaller ones.
1294
01:19:35,662 --> 01:19:38,232
I have four suits I constantly use.
1295
01:19:40,122 --> 01:19:42,372
Within, within the Phoenix range.
1296
01:19:42,382 --> 01:19:45,792
And then they're like people even like
having one Phoenix fly, one scribble
1297
01:19:45,822 --> 01:19:50,042
on this and that it's, actually
crazy, but also on the other side,
1298
01:19:50,052 --> 01:19:55,132
I have to say, we learn a lot from
swapping suits and swapping things.
1299
01:19:55,802 --> 01:20:00,722
And I think, especially because I jumped
so many prototypes, like track suits and
1300
01:20:00,722 --> 01:20:06,432
a lot of suits, which didn't work and
then, starting also to, to test, jump
1301
01:20:06,802 --> 01:20:12,442
for, Robbie, for Phoenix fly, there's
like the coordination training, which
1302
01:20:12,462 --> 01:20:19,522
is also necessary, or which is wingsuit
flying, you learn from, variations.
1303
01:20:20,032 --> 01:20:26,332
So if we always have the same, suit, same
exit, same everything, we will not, in my
1304
01:20:26,332 --> 01:20:28,152
opinion, we will not really get better.
1305
01:20:29,287 --> 01:20:34,517
You have to jump like a shitty suit
and you have to, it's the wrong,
1306
01:20:34,657 --> 01:20:39,547
it's the wrong thing to say, but
anyway, we, learn from, everything.
1307
01:20:39,547 --> 01:20:42,427
And we even learn from shitty suits
that actually I wanted to say.
1308
01:20:43,917 --> 01:20:48,957
Laurent: Not necessarily shitty suits,
but, tests in maybe the wrong direction,
1309
01:20:49,047 --> 01:20:49,567
Peter: Yes.
1310
01:20:49,597 --> 01:20:50,057
Yeah.
1311
01:20:50,527 --> 01:20:51,437
Let's say it like this.
1312
01:20:51,807 --> 01:20:52,117
Laurent: Yeah.
1313
01:20:52,827 --> 01:20:56,827
speaking of getting better, you said
earlier on in our conversation that,
1314
01:20:57,007 --> 01:20:58,747
you really didn't like skydiving.
1315
01:20:59,117 --> 01:21:00,857
I don't think that's the
case for you anymore.
1316
01:21:02,967 --> 01:21:04,767
it seems like you're doing
quite a bit of skydiving.
1317
01:21:04,867 --> 01:21:07,627
tell me a little bit about how your
relationship with skydiving changed
1318
01:21:07,627 --> 01:21:09,117
and where you're at with it now.
1319
01:21:09,717 --> 01:21:12,777
Peter: I think at the beginning
there was one thing, it was money.
1320
01:21:12,957 --> 01:21:16,067
Second thing was like hanging out
in the drop zone the whole day.
1321
01:21:17,317 --> 01:21:20,867
sitting around, packing,
jumping, sitting in a plane.
1322
01:21:21,267 --> 01:21:23,977
Like this was just like
not my thing to do.
1323
01:21:24,247 --> 01:21:25,507
I really like the mountains.
1324
01:21:25,557 --> 01:21:31,707
I like to hike go up the whole day having
a full adventure the whole day to do
1325
01:21:31,897 --> 01:21:39,237
one jump That's actually the nicest to
do But then I started to realize that
1326
01:21:39,237 --> 01:21:43,727
I need skydiving to really get better,
especially in the acrobatic stuff
1327
01:21:45,447 --> 01:21:51,212
Mainly So I started it and I realized
it's actually really fun to do also
1328
01:21:51,462 --> 01:21:53,372
eight jumps and to work on something.
1329
01:21:53,962 --> 01:21:57,172
So I hate skydiving without any goal.
1330
01:21:57,832 --> 01:22:00,872
So I'm not this kind of guy going for
the drops in and say, Oh, let's just
1331
01:22:00,872 --> 01:22:03,132
do six jumps, whatever one is leading.
1332
01:22:03,782 --> 01:22:05,402
We're just following something.
1333
01:22:05,822 --> 01:22:07,042
So I want to have a goal.
1334
01:22:07,042 --> 01:22:12,172
I want, and if I have a goal, then I
have something in mind I want to reach.
1335
01:22:13,212 --> 01:22:19,402
and then it's really, nice because I can
work on myself or as much nicer even to
1336
01:22:19,402 --> 01:22:26,422
work in a group, for something to make a
nice formation with some dynamic stuff in
1337
01:22:26,422 --> 01:22:29,172
between, I really liked that challenge.
1338
01:22:29,232 --> 01:22:31,022
So I always liked this challenges.
1339
01:22:31,752 --> 01:22:32,732
Laurent: Yeah, okay.
1340
01:22:32,812 --> 01:22:33,502
Yeah, me too.
1341
01:22:33,742 --> 01:22:34,622
It's, super fun.
1342
01:22:36,592 --> 01:22:38,222
the group flying, whether
1343
01:22:38,282 --> 01:22:39,052
Peter: then think of.
1344
01:22:39,072 --> 01:22:41,852
Laurent: or in the mountain or
in the skydiving, it's so good.
1345
01:22:42,922 --> 01:22:44,372
Peter: And then think of the combination.
1346
01:22:44,382 --> 01:22:48,322
You're like, you have a few friends
and you started something in skydiving,
1347
01:22:48,332 --> 01:22:52,332
like a super nice dynamic formation,
and then you put that on the rock on
1348
01:22:52,332 --> 01:22:57,462
a base jump, this is for me, like the
total, yeah, that's, the best actually.
1349
01:22:58,502 --> 01:23:02,462
Laurent: I'm curious now, We talked a
little bit about mental preparation,
1350
01:23:02,512 --> 01:23:06,532
and, then your training, you've also
spent a lot of time in the tunnel.
1351
01:23:07,302 --> 01:23:09,912
we don't have a ton of time
left, so maybe we can just leave
1352
01:23:09,912 --> 01:23:11,362
the tunnel for another time.
1353
01:23:12,452 --> 01:23:15,392
I'd like to get your
perspective on risk management.
1354
01:23:15,617 --> 01:23:21,207
because earlier on you said that, you
think that, there was some ingredients
1355
01:23:21,217 --> 01:23:23,977
for making wingsuit jumping safe.
1356
01:23:25,447 --> 01:23:31,137
I'd like to hear your thoughts
on, safety, on your, outlook of
1357
01:23:31,157 --> 01:23:34,657
maintaining a safe approach and, yeah,
1358
01:23:36,277 --> 01:23:40,817
Peter: the most important thing is to
know, what you can and what not, like
1359
01:23:40,997 --> 01:23:43,027
what is smart to jump and whatnot.
1360
01:23:43,747 --> 01:23:45,897
So in my opinion, you
have to know your numbers.
1361
01:23:47,437 --> 01:23:48,477
you have to have.
1362
01:23:49,047 --> 01:23:53,717
For sure, the numbers of the exit
you want to do and also like a
1363
01:23:53,717 --> 01:23:56,157
list of exits you should not do.
1364
01:23:57,287 --> 01:24:01,447
Just to have this, reference of,
yeah, that's something I still
1365
01:24:01,447 --> 01:24:05,977
have like exits on the list where
no, it's not smart to do that.
1366
01:24:06,107 --> 01:24:10,047
I still know that I could
do it, but I don't do it.
1367
01:24:10,627 --> 01:24:12,937
And I really liked it
just to have it in mind.
1368
01:24:12,947 --> 01:24:13,797
There are some.
1369
01:24:13,977 --> 01:24:19,817
stuff left, which I could do, but I, yeah,
I'm strong enough to, actually not do it.
1370
01:24:20,767 --> 01:24:22,017
So this is important.
1371
01:24:22,017 --> 01:24:27,927
And then you have to have a lot of
knowledge about, conditions, because I
1372
01:24:27,927 --> 01:24:33,597
think conditions like knowing the numbers
without the information of conditions,
1373
01:24:33,757 --> 01:24:36,147
this is so extremely dangerous.
1374
01:24:36,927 --> 01:24:42,622
So when I, Talked with people and say
what numbers do you get on this and
1375
01:24:42,622 --> 01:24:48,712
that suit and he says yeah 160 and I
was like what 160 with that small suit?
1376
01:24:48,712 --> 01:24:56,182
Yeah 160 160 and I'm like, yeah, but in
which conditions and he like, yeah Like
1377
01:24:56,182 --> 01:25:00,742
just normally it was like nothing really
special and I said, sorry to say but I
1378
01:25:00,742 --> 01:25:05,607
did Don't really believe that this is
possible, like on neutral conditions.
1379
01:25:06,107 --> 01:25:10,697
And then we just discussed a bit more
and then it was like, yeah, it was
1380
01:25:10,727 --> 01:25:15,167
like a South wall, the sun was burning
in and like all these things that
1381
01:25:15,197 --> 01:25:18,967
you have to have this knowledge and
actually it doesn't make it easier.
1382
01:25:19,047 --> 01:25:25,982
So you really have to know like
on which, Direction the exit was
1383
01:25:26,002 --> 01:25:27,672
like north, south, east, west.
1384
01:25:27,672 --> 01:25:28,552
How was the wind?
1385
01:25:28,562 --> 01:25:29,582
How was the thermals?
1386
01:25:30,402 --> 01:25:32,182
How cold was the air?
1387
01:25:32,182 --> 01:25:36,722
It's also like super interesting that
actually the best performance I can
1388
01:25:36,722 --> 01:25:42,232
reach on like cold air So even if you
have thermals for sure in that part
1389
01:25:42,262 --> 01:25:46,582
where there are the thermals, it's you
have a better glide Then, in the winter
1390
01:25:46,582 --> 01:25:51,222
conditions, but for the constant glide,
I really had the best conditions like
1391
01:25:51,232 --> 01:25:55,922
in January jumping from a mountain,
which I jumped 20 times in the summer,
1392
01:25:55,942 --> 01:26:00,212
like super strong conditions, but
I flew the best in January without
1393
01:26:00,282 --> 01:26:04,932
anything just because of the thick air
and some wind pushing up the thick air.
1394
01:26:05,712 --> 01:26:06,072
Yeah.
1395
01:26:06,102 --> 01:26:10,792
So I think like all this knowledge,
you have to carry together somehow.
1396
01:26:11,677 --> 01:26:17,687
you have to learn it from somebody,
which is, which is not so easy.
1397
01:26:18,677 --> 01:26:23,387
sometimes, and yeah, so knowing the
exit, knowing the numbers, knowing the
1398
01:26:23,387 --> 01:26:28,867
conditions is already like super important
thing and knowing what you're able to do
1399
01:26:28,907 --> 01:26:32,387
and like just reduce risks all the time.
1400
01:26:32,757 --> 01:26:35,627
So to not push yourself and.
1401
01:26:36,147 --> 01:26:40,817
Even more important, don't push anybody
else to do something, whatever, even
1402
01:26:40,817 --> 01:26:44,157
if it's an aerial, or different exits.
1403
01:26:44,157 --> 01:26:48,907
So it's, you have to have that
feeling of your stay on the exit.
1404
01:26:48,907 --> 01:26:50,327
It's yeah, let's go.
1405
01:26:50,767 --> 01:26:54,937
So if I'm staying there and I have like
sweaty fingers, my heart goes, bop,
1406
01:26:54,937 --> 01:26:56,267
then there's already something wrong.
1407
01:26:56,327 --> 01:26:57,407
I'm on the wrong spot.
1408
01:26:58,087 --> 01:27:00,277
And to, learn.
1409
01:27:01,162 --> 01:27:06,732
To, read that signs, that signals actually
I have to say, this is a progress we all
1410
01:27:06,742 --> 01:27:12,192
have to go through and we should learn
like this, the, belly, the stomach, how
1411
01:27:12,192 --> 01:27:17,442
you call it, the stomach feeling, and the
signs your body actually shows you anyway.
1412
01:27:18,152 --> 01:27:23,792
something is not good in this situation
now, and if I have this now, let's
1413
01:27:23,792 --> 01:27:28,372
say like my heart really goes bomb and
I have sweaty fingers, then I really
1414
01:27:28,372 --> 01:27:33,152
step back and I go through again
what's actually what are the numbers?
1415
01:27:33,192 --> 01:27:34,292
What are the conditions?
1416
01:27:34,822 --> 01:27:36,382
I check my body again.
1417
01:27:36,582 --> 01:27:38,262
I check why I have that feeling.
1418
01:27:38,332 --> 01:27:43,722
And if I find it out, or it's just
like I had to go through it again and
1419
01:27:43,902 --> 01:27:46,162
the signals are away, then I jump.
1420
01:27:46,512 --> 01:27:47,142
But if not, yeah.
1421
01:27:47,497 --> 01:27:50,017
I would just skip it and go down.
1422
01:27:50,362 --> 01:27:51,422
Laurent: That's really good stuff.
1423
01:27:52,072 --> 01:27:54,422
what I found really interesting
is that you have a list of
1424
01:27:54,422 --> 01:27:55,782
jumps that you shouldn't do.
1425
01:27:56,177 --> 01:27:58,437
That's I really appreciate that.
1426
01:27:58,967 --> 01:28:03,587
Now, do you decide on jumps that you
shouldn't do based on the numbers
1427
01:28:03,727 --> 01:28:08,877
or, let's say you have, a hundred
different fly side tracks and
1428
01:28:09,217 --> 01:28:14,017
that the one, the lowest that you,
have lowest performance you had,
1429
01:28:14,392 --> 01:28:16,182
Doesn't fit with a particular exit.
1430
01:28:16,622 --> 01:28:20,852
I know that, see, that's one technique
people have like find their limits
1431
01:28:20,852 --> 01:28:26,562
by, what is your personal, judge of
how you're, where your limits are?
1432
01:28:28,637 --> 01:28:32,897
Peter: I did, honestly, I did like
many, jumps where like my lowest
1433
01:28:32,897 --> 01:28:36,517
numbers, they wouldn't work at all.
1434
01:28:37,177 --> 01:28:40,037
So I had these years
of pushing lower exits.
1435
01:28:40,047 --> 01:28:42,947
It's three, four years, four
or five years already now.
1436
01:28:44,347 --> 01:28:48,617
where I did like many of these jumps
south wall, you need some terminals.
1437
01:28:49,807 --> 01:28:51,937
and then I got like this list of numbers.
1438
01:28:52,117 --> 01:28:54,437
Let's say I had 50 exits.
1439
01:28:54,677 --> 01:28:57,067
Numbers then from a South
wall with terminals.
1440
01:28:57,107 --> 01:29:02,037
And then I took the worst one from them
and not from a North wall, with down
1441
01:29:02,037 --> 01:29:08,887
drift, because this just, doesn't work,
but yeah, now I also changed a bit
1442
01:29:08,887 --> 01:29:13,867
because I want to have more margin and
not just, You need to have terminals to
1443
01:29:13,867 --> 01:29:18,487
be able to outfly that line or that exit.
1444
01:29:19,107 --> 01:29:24,787
So I think that would be good and
smart to everyone to step back and
1445
01:29:24,787 --> 01:29:26,587
to not push into that direction.
1446
01:29:26,687 --> 01:29:29,707
Because the short starts,
where does it end?
1447
01:29:29,787 --> 01:29:36,927
It's people pushing and the exits get
shorter, And because it always works,
1448
01:29:37,497 --> 01:29:39,227
they continue going for shorter.
1449
01:29:39,297 --> 01:29:40,457
So there has to be one.
1450
01:29:41,042 --> 01:29:46,102
Point at the specific time where you
turn around and then it's even an
1451
01:29:46,102 --> 01:29:52,492
accident or almost accident or like
any click I wake up in the morning.
1452
01:29:52,492 --> 01:29:54,472
I say, why should, shouldn't I step back?
1453
01:29:54,592 --> 01:29:58,792
And that would be the smartest thing, but
I know it's, I know it's difficult if you
1454
01:29:58,852 --> 01:30:03,842
so much into it and I was also in this
stage, like people were already telling
1455
01:30:03,842 --> 01:30:07,692
me, ah, Peter, it shouldn't be like that
you push into this direction too much.
1456
01:30:07,692 --> 01:30:10,627
And I was always like, Yeah, but it works.
1457
01:30:11,657 --> 01:30:13,207
all my exits are constant.
1458
01:30:13,537 --> 01:30:14,717
It's almost the same.
1459
01:30:14,757 --> 01:30:20,867
I had put the numbers over each other,
but yeah, it's just yeah, I got a father.
1460
01:30:20,867 --> 01:30:24,997
I have two kids like this is, I
think for sure something I changed.
1461
01:30:25,827 --> 01:30:27,347
Laurent: I was going
to ask you about that.
1462
01:30:27,387 --> 01:30:28,047
That's interesting.
1463
01:30:28,047 --> 01:30:28,907
You bring it up now.
1464
01:30:28,997 --> 01:30:33,587
did you feel like having, kids and
becoming a father, had a profound
1465
01:30:33,587 --> 01:30:37,017
effect on the way you view the
sport and the way you practice?
1466
01:30:37,847 --> 01:30:38,677
Peter: Yeah, I think so.
1467
01:30:39,687 --> 01:30:42,147
it's still not in a way that I thought of.
1468
01:30:42,147 --> 01:30:42,417
Yeah.
1469
01:30:42,417 --> 01:30:48,107
I stopped jumping now because
I still think, that you can
1470
01:30:48,257 --> 01:30:49,767
do base jumping in a way.
1471
01:30:50,152 --> 01:30:57,612
Where you reduce risk so much that for
sure, there's a bit of risk left, but
1472
01:30:57,652 --> 01:31:00,942
yeah, I think you can do it in a way
that can, that you can do it really long.
1473
01:31:01,712 --> 01:31:04,542
and one time you'll probably
have to stop anyway.
1474
01:31:05,692 --> 01:31:11,082
But yeah, there always the relationship
of what does it give to me, like how much
1475
01:31:11,082 --> 01:31:16,522
fun it is it for me, how much I love that
passion, against how much risk is it.
1476
01:31:16,602 --> 01:31:20,632
And for me, it's always like this,
like the risk is really here and
1477
01:31:20,632 --> 01:31:22,302
the fun and the passion is here.
1478
01:31:22,382 --> 01:31:23,832
So I continue doing it.
1479
01:31:24,562 --> 01:31:29,082
But if I talk to people and they then
tell me, yeah, actually, honestly,
1480
01:31:29,102 --> 01:31:33,922
every time I have this feeling
of oh, it could be the last one.
1481
01:31:34,227 --> 01:31:34,967
Something like this.
1482
01:31:34,967 --> 01:31:36,267
And I was like, really?
1483
01:31:36,927 --> 01:31:38,147
I don't have this feeling.
1484
01:31:38,147 --> 01:31:42,797
And I had this conversation to one guy
and he then stopped jumping afterwards
1485
01:31:42,837 --> 01:31:44,427
because he just thought it's normal.
1486
01:31:45,317 --> 01:31:46,927
So he really fought kind of it.
1487
01:31:47,277 --> 01:31:51,197
It, you have to be realistic
enough to tell it yourself.
1488
01:31:51,237 --> 01:31:52,537
You could die every chump.
1489
01:31:53,177 --> 01:31:55,687
And I was like, if I
would be that, then I.
1490
01:31:55,917 --> 01:31:56,897
I wouldn't jump at all.
1491
01:31:57,387 --> 01:32:00,377
I know for sure if I do
a mistake I would die.
1492
01:32:01,957 --> 01:32:05,737
but I still think, yeah, I think,
still think you can do it in
1493
01:32:05,737 --> 01:32:09,177
a way that you can do it safe.
1494
01:32:09,227 --> 01:32:13,617
Safe is, it's not the best word
in our sport, but yeah, still
1495
01:32:15,032 --> 01:32:18,312
Laurent: Yeah, that's interesting
too, because I thought about that.
1496
01:32:18,732 --> 01:32:22,672
for me and my own personal
perspective, I struggled, quite
1497
01:32:22,672 --> 01:32:28,132
a bit, when I had kids about, I
wouldn't say struggle, be realistic.
1498
01:32:28,132 --> 01:32:31,092
It was like, there was a lot of
personal introspection about what
1499
01:32:31,092 --> 01:32:32,422
it was I was getting out of it.
1500
01:32:33,212 --> 01:32:39,192
And, I, I looked for other things
that was, either replace the feeling
1501
01:32:39,202 --> 01:32:45,362
or, could, substitute the joy that
I get from, from jumping and flying.
1502
01:32:45,422 --> 01:32:45,962
And,
1503
01:32:48,922 --> 01:32:51,452
basically I started paragliding a lot.
1504
01:32:51,492 --> 01:32:55,242
And then I realized that I love
paragliding, but it's not at all the
1505
01:32:55,242 --> 01:32:57,832
same sport just because we're flying.
1506
01:32:57,852 --> 01:33:00,212
It's a completely different activity.
1507
01:33:00,832 --> 01:33:05,202
Paragliding for me, for example, cross
country flying is all about determination.
1508
01:33:05,212 --> 01:33:09,712
It's about, preparation and the
planning, route finding, and then
1509
01:33:09,712 --> 01:33:15,372
it's a constant battle of, reading
conditions and, having the will to make
1510
01:33:15,372 --> 01:33:18,072
another thermal and reading, judging.
1511
01:33:18,362 --> 01:33:20,922
And, sometimes it takes up
to eight hours in that day.
1512
01:33:21,312 --> 01:33:23,232
This is nothing like wingsuit flying.
1513
01:33:24,712 --> 01:33:28,502
Flying and it sounds like for you
and me both, it's a vigorous hike,
1514
01:33:29,262 --> 01:33:32,332
from anywhere from an hour and a
half to three hours to six hours.
1515
01:33:32,712 --> 01:33:36,432
And, you have your little backpack
and then you get to an exit point,
1516
01:33:36,582 --> 01:33:39,852
you make some mental preparations
and then you fly a line and you land
1517
01:33:39,872 --> 01:33:42,062
and it's nothing like paragliding.
1518
01:33:43,882 --> 01:33:45,392
I'm getting a little bit distracted here.
1519
01:33:45,832 --> 01:33:52,002
but, What you said about the what you
get out of the sport and what you're
1520
01:33:52,022 --> 01:33:56,232
getting from the activity is so vital
and I think like what you said about
1521
01:33:56,232 --> 01:34:01,102
somebody considering that it was just
normal to be scared and have a sense
1522
01:34:01,102 --> 01:34:07,302
of doom on every jump that you really
need to do some introspection and
1523
01:34:07,312 --> 01:34:09,022
re evaluate what you're doing there.
1524
01:34:09,467 --> 01:34:10,977
Peter: But same for me.
1525
01:34:11,177 --> 01:34:16,287
if you have this relation in between like
fun and risk, and you have a few jumps,
1526
01:34:16,447 --> 01:34:21,477
you do a few jumps and you don't feel
really Oh yeah, that feels good anymore.
1527
01:34:21,527 --> 01:34:22,967
You don't have that fun anymore.
1528
01:34:23,207 --> 01:34:25,007
Then I think it's a super important.
1529
01:34:25,252 --> 01:34:28,122
Part to actually stop because
like why should I then do it?
1530
01:34:28,222 --> 01:34:32,582
Why should I have take that
additional risk or the rest risk if
1531
01:34:32,582 --> 01:34:37,672
I don't have fun then it's really my
opinion no more Reason why I should
1532
01:34:37,672 --> 01:34:46,122
do like the base jumping Currency
1533
01:34:46,407 --> 01:34:50,317
Laurent: you there is very independent
and specific to individuals.
1534
01:34:50,667 --> 01:34:56,717
Like when I talked to Robbie, I met Robbie
I don't know, 12 years ago or something,
1535
01:34:56,717 --> 01:35:03,347
but I had no idea that he did the
amount of jumping he does is not a lot.
1536
01:35:03,527 --> 01:35:07,817
In comparison to like other people
and it was eye opening and here's a
1537
01:35:07,817 --> 01:35:15,797
guy who's a innovator in the sport
long time practitioner and absolutely
1538
01:35:15,797 --> 01:35:21,157
loves it still and He just does
the amount that he wants to do.
1539
01:35:21,327 --> 01:35:22,247
obviously he's busy.
1540
01:35:22,247 --> 01:35:24,942
He's got a business He's got a family
and things like that Perhaps he wants
1541
01:35:24,942 --> 01:35:28,422
to jump more, but he felt, he feels
like he's getting the right dosage
1542
01:35:28,662 --> 01:35:30,192
for what he wants out of the sport.
1543
01:35:31,662 --> 01:35:36,402
what do you think about the frequency
and where, because part of that
1544
01:35:36,402 --> 01:35:39,622
conversation or this question that I
have for you too, is you need to have
1545
01:35:39,622 --> 01:35:44,602
a certain level of jumps or the certain
amount of jumps to stay current, but
1546
01:35:44,602 --> 01:35:47,822
then you don't want to have too many
jumps where you start becoming blasé.
1547
01:35:48,122 --> 01:35:48,592
And,
1548
01:35:51,332 --> 01:35:55,237
I'm forgetting the word
here, but, Currency, right?
1549
01:35:55,287 --> 01:35:55,987
Double edged sword.
1550
01:35:56,077 --> 01:35:57,297
Too much or not enough?
1551
01:35:58,882 --> 01:36:02,362
Peter: I think I have it
really, good at the moment.
1552
01:36:03,242 --> 01:36:07,252
just, I would love to shift it a
bit more towards, jumping at home.
1553
01:36:08,432 --> 01:36:13,962
So if also my numbers are
probably not what you will expect.
1554
01:36:14,752 --> 01:36:18,722
or what, like young people jump a year.
1555
01:36:18,732 --> 01:36:23,132
Like I, I do 100 base
jumps a year and I do 200.
1556
01:36:23,132 --> 01:36:23,147
Yeah.
1557
01:36:23,687 --> 01:36:26,717
Maybe 300, 200 to 300 skydives a year.
1558
01:36:27,747 --> 01:36:33,927
but like the 100 base jumps is I
do 90 percent somewhere else, not
1559
01:36:33,927 --> 01:36:36,077
at home, maybe 95 percent even.
1560
01:36:36,807 --> 01:36:41,007
So always when I go somewhere, then I
go for two weeks full jumping, whatever,
1561
01:36:41,017 --> 01:36:46,457
if it's South Africa or go to France
or whatever, I'm like fully into it,
1562
01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:48,737
like this mode of two weeks jumping.
1563
01:36:49,147 --> 01:36:52,777
And, but at home it's like with
the family, with the, normal
1564
01:36:52,777 --> 01:36:57,307
life, the, we had to rebuild our
house for the last two years.
1565
01:36:57,727 --> 01:36:59,697
So there was almost no jumping.
1566
01:36:59,767 --> 01:37:03,517
And this is what I would love
to shift more towards, home.
1567
01:37:04,467 --> 01:37:08,587
But yeah, in the, on the
other side about the numbers.
1568
01:37:09,042 --> 01:37:13,942
I would say I would also feel
comfortable if it's 60, 70 jumps a
1569
01:37:13,942 --> 01:37:17,132
year, but not less, like base jumping.
1570
01:37:18,762 --> 01:37:20,812
and I would need that
skydiving in between.
1571
01:37:21,352 --> 01:37:25,512
So if it's like just base jumping, if like
people just do base jumping, no skydiving,
1572
01:37:26,072 --> 01:37:27,952
then I think it has to be a higher number.
1573
01:37:28,512 --> 01:37:31,272
Then this amount I, I
was just talking about.
1574
01:37:32,632 --> 01:37:33,022
Yeah.
1575
01:37:34,032 --> 01:37:38,432
And also I have to say, because I'm
like pretty long into that sport,
1576
01:37:39,712 --> 01:37:45,522
you should not stop jumping and,
have this constant, training as well.
1577
01:37:46,232 --> 01:37:49,802
But if you would start jumping
and then have a low number.
1578
01:37:50,497 --> 01:37:53,757
It's super hard to get current
and to learn everything.
1579
01:37:53,757 --> 01:37:58,867
So there is a, there is, years where
you really have to be more into it
1580
01:37:59,417 --> 01:38:04,117
to get over that, that additional
risk people have at the beginning
1581
01:38:04,567 --> 01:38:06,707
because they don't know, the border.
1582
01:38:06,737 --> 01:38:09,527
They don't know what they
can do, what is too much.
1583
01:38:10,457 --> 01:38:12,537
And for this, you have to train a lot.
1584
01:38:13,107 --> 01:38:13,877
Laurent: Absolutely.
1585
01:38:14,837 --> 01:38:17,227
You have to develop a proper foundation.
1586
01:38:17,727 --> 01:38:18,247
Peter: Yes.
1587
01:38:18,667 --> 01:38:19,157
Laurent: Yeah.
1588
01:38:20,847 --> 01:38:26,267
you mentioned, alpine jumps and that's
something that you really, enjoy.
1589
01:38:27,257 --> 01:38:28,497
do you have anything planned?
1590
01:38:28,507 --> 01:38:33,137
Do you have any aspirations, plans in
the future for jumping in the mountains?
1591
01:38:34,317 --> 01:38:34,527
Peter: Yeah.
1592
01:38:34,527 --> 01:38:39,317
I would really like to focus more on this,
like Alpine stuff, combining with climbing
1593
01:38:40,247 --> 01:38:47,707
and, longer hikes and Yeah, back to the
stuff where I actually really started.
1594
01:38:48,807 --> 01:38:52,227
and I did it with, I did it with
paragliding a bit, but not like too
1595
01:38:52,227 --> 01:38:55,867
much with base jumping, like high
mountains, like 6, 000 meters stuff.
1596
01:38:57,397 --> 01:38:59,487
especially in Peru as an example.
1597
01:39:00,097 --> 01:39:02,397
And I really liked that, but I also know.
1598
01:39:02,692 --> 01:39:07,972
That it takes a lot of time, a lot of
training practice in a different way.
1599
01:39:08,112 --> 01:39:12,132
So there's also the, mountaineering,
the climbing, I would need to focus a
1600
01:39:12,132 --> 01:39:18,782
bit more, again, and then if I would
have more time, I think it will shift
1601
01:39:18,852 --> 01:39:21,042
a bit more into that direction for me.
1602
01:39:21,322 --> 01:39:25,322
I would love to do more again,
like the passion for the mountains,
1603
01:39:25,352 --> 01:39:31,282
the passion, the real passion for
the alpinism and, yeah, and less.
1604
01:39:32,382 --> 01:39:34,652
Less, flying helicopters and things.
1605
01:39:37,242 --> 01:39:40,862
it sounds stupid because probably
people think the opposite way.
1606
01:39:41,762 --> 01:39:46,582
and I really like to take helicopters,
especially for, project where you
1607
01:39:46,592 --> 01:39:51,112
have to do quite a few chumps a day
to get the production film everything.
1608
01:39:51,892 --> 01:39:56,912
But on the other side, I would love
to do it like just once and, hike it.
1609
01:39:56,932 --> 01:39:58,912
It's just, it's a different value for me.
1610
01:40:00,432 --> 01:40:01,882
Laurent: 100 percent I agree with that.
1611
01:40:02,532 --> 01:40:06,292
I have the opportunity to jump from
helicopters here quite often if I want.
1612
01:40:06,352 --> 01:40:11,462
And, there's something about the
struggle of getting to an exit point.
1613
01:40:12,362 --> 01:40:16,302
it's almost like a spring, the
harder the approaches, the more
1614
01:40:16,302 --> 01:40:17,782
that spring gets loaded up.
1615
01:40:17,942 --> 01:40:22,592
And when you leave the exit point,
it's just that much more rewarding.
1616
01:40:23,022 --> 01:40:23,512
Peter: Yes.
1617
01:40:23,597 --> 01:40:24,827
Yeah, that's true.
1618
01:40:24,857 --> 01:40:26,477
But also way more exhausting.
1619
01:40:27,402 --> 01:40:27,752
Laurent: Thanks.
1620
01:40:27,752 --> 01:40:28,152
Yeah.
1621
01:40:28,232 --> 01:40:28,622
Yeah.
1622
01:40:28,622 --> 01:40:29,567
Yeah.
1623
01:40:30,077 --> 01:40:31,697
Peter: No, but it's, cool.
1624
01:40:32,687 --> 01:40:35,477
The, whole experience of, base jumping.
1625
01:40:35,477 --> 01:40:39,197
If you really count everything, you
count the friends, you count the,
1626
01:40:39,197 --> 01:40:43,517
hiking, the climbing, the jumping
and the stuff, which comes after the
1627
01:40:43,547 --> 01:40:49,097
jumping, taking a swim, having a be
here, like all this together is what's,
1628
01:40:49,097 --> 01:40:50,687
the value for me in base champion?
1629
01:40:50,897 --> 01:40:50,987
Oh
1630
01:40:52,677 --> 01:40:55,767
Laurent: I think that's a really
positive note for us to end on.
1631
01:40:56,227 --> 01:40:59,627
is there something that you want
to, talk about the foil that maybe
1632
01:40:59,627 --> 01:41:00,967
I didn't ask you that we should,
1633
01:41:01,227 --> 01:41:03,437
Peter: no, it was just like, I
wanted to talk more about the
1634
01:41:03,437 --> 01:41:05,877
directions where it could be,
1635
01:41:07,977 --> 01:41:11,867
what it could bring us,
offer us the community.
1636
01:41:12,897 --> 01:41:20,047
yeah, even like smaller, like super small
foils, I think could give us like a glide
1637
01:41:20,047 --> 01:41:26,427
ratio of one plus, additionally with
just like a little bit of more weight.
1638
01:41:26,617 --> 01:41:27,667
This is what people.
1639
01:41:28,252 --> 01:41:32,442
probably like when they comment the
videos and maybe have a negative
1640
01:41:32,892 --> 01:41:37,232
comment they're saying yeah but you're
like almost a hang glider so what the
1641
01:41:37,232 --> 01:41:43,042
fuck but if you think of me having 95
kilos with my normal setup and then add
1642
01:41:43,372 --> 01:41:48,892
these four and a half kilos which is
in relation like not much but then you
1643
01:41:48,902 --> 01:41:55,142
have 60 70 percent more performance So
I didn't do the maths, but you add this
1644
01:41:55,142 --> 01:41:59,182
little percentage of weight and you
get 60, 70 percent more performance,
1645
01:41:59,682 --> 01:42:01,182
which is for me like a big value.
1646
01:42:01,902 --> 01:42:06,462
And I can even, I hiked it up, but
as an example in Austria, like the
1647
01:42:06,462 --> 01:42:09,492
whole wing was on my back, going up.
1648
01:42:09,492 --> 01:42:11,442
So like everything is possible.
1649
01:42:11,442 --> 01:42:13,082
It's just for now, it's still.
1650
01:42:13,152 --> 01:42:17,588
It's a little bit too big and too
complicated, but it could get way smaller.
1651
01:42:17,588 --> 01:42:21,137
It could get way lighter and
it could look way different.
1652
01:42:21,137 --> 01:42:24,095
So we don't know, but there are ways.
1653
01:42:24,095 --> 01:42:30,312
And there are like many nice innovators
out there as well, like going into
1654
01:42:30,382 --> 01:42:35,562
different directions, even if it's like
the carpet and even if it's like, the
1655
01:42:35,562 --> 01:42:37,752
fixed wings, like it's really cool.
1656
01:42:37,752 --> 01:42:41,712
And everything, just this one step into
a direction, which we didn't know yet.
1657
01:42:41,755 --> 01:42:46,655
Laurent: I like that perspective,
just the innovation process, it
1658
01:42:46,675 --> 01:42:51,025
needs to start someplace and, you've
actually made a tremendous leap
1659
01:42:51,035 --> 01:42:55,735
forward, in, this particular direction
and, who knows where it'll take us.
1660
01:42:56,075 --> 01:42:57,405
That's what innovation is like.
1661
01:42:58,605 --> 01:43:02,095
there's, there was one question that
I wanted to ask you though, it's When
1662
01:43:02,165 --> 01:43:06,965
things went wrong, have you had any
uncontrolled flight in, with the foil?
1663
01:43:07,843 --> 01:43:12,963
Meaning spinning on your back, spiraling
out of control, things along those lines.
1664
01:43:14,543 --> 01:43:15,443
Peter: I lost one.
1665
01:43:18,373 --> 01:43:18,823
No, we had
1666
01:43:19,133 --> 01:43:20,363
Laurent: It like broke off your chest?
1667
01:43:20,403 --> 01:43:21,563
Like it broke off of the mount?
1668
01:43:22,403 --> 01:43:26,873
Peter: yeah, we had we had a
really small one and then we made
1669
01:43:26,873 --> 01:43:30,733
it bigger, but we didn't make the
connection to the wing bigger.
1670
01:43:31,893 --> 01:43:36,823
So I was jumping off the helicopter, like
over like land where there was nothing.
1671
01:43:36,823 --> 01:43:38,263
So that was the good thing.
1672
01:43:39,483 --> 01:43:43,873
and just like with the relative
wind, the wind, cracked.
1673
01:43:44,083 --> 01:43:49,793
And so it was like on my wingsuit
connected still, but not really holding.
1674
01:43:49,793 --> 01:43:51,853
And I immediately flipped on the back.
1675
01:43:52,573 --> 01:43:55,523
So it was on the black on
the back flying, and then.
1676
01:43:56,073 --> 01:43:58,363
just like pushing away
the wing from myself.
1677
01:43:59,393 --> 01:44:02,233
And yeah, and then it was all good.
1678
01:44:02,553 --> 01:44:04,233
So I had to turn around on the belly.
1679
01:44:04,833 --> 01:44:09,353
Then I opened my parachute and I was
like following the wing, on my parachute.
1680
01:44:09,353 --> 01:44:12,593
And it was actually almost
falling slower than my parachute
1681
01:44:12,773 --> 01:44:14,593
because it did like this movement
1682
01:44:15,478 --> 01:44:15,938
Laurent: Yeah.
1683
01:44:15,938 --> 01:44:16,418
Okay.
1684
01:44:16,543 --> 01:44:17,463
Peter: flying around just
1685
01:44:17,538 --> 01:44:18,458
Laurent: a leaf in the wind.
1686
01:44:19,453 --> 01:44:24,103
Peter: till, it landed, in the woods
and landed close by and just grabbed it.
1687
01:44:24,933 --> 01:44:28,123
But yeah, this was, yeah,
probably it was important.
1688
01:44:28,648 --> 01:44:32,998
Because we know, we knew then like
how strong it actually has to be.
1689
01:44:34,598 --> 01:44:37,978
and I know that it, this would be
so bad if this happens, like on
1690
01:44:37,978 --> 01:44:39,758
the real fight or on a base jump.
1691
01:44:41,098 --> 01:44:47,158
yeah, we always trying to make it even
stronger, to have that extra, safety.
1692
01:44:47,768 --> 01:44:48,458
But yeah.
1693
01:44:49,078 --> 01:44:52,158
otherwise there was not
much things going on.
1694
01:44:53,818 --> 01:44:58,678
Laurent: Andy, is the guy that,
was helping you design these foils.
1695
01:44:58,708 --> 01:45:01,428
Does he have an engineering
background or is this something that
1696
01:45:01,438 --> 01:45:02,968
you guys are all self taught with?
1697
01:45:02,968 --> 01:45:06,848
Or how, what, where does the knowledge
come for, to making these foils?
1698
01:45:07,158 --> 01:45:10,418
Peter: No, he has, he's like
a carbon fiber specialist.
1699
01:45:10,428 --> 01:45:16,468
So he was like drawing the carbon fiber
components for a big Austrian brand.
1700
01:45:17,698 --> 01:45:19,648
And then did like all this.
1701
01:45:20,148 --> 01:45:23,728
he self teached him like to do like suits.
1702
01:45:23,858 --> 01:45:25,958
So he started doing track
suits and all these things.
1703
01:45:25,958 --> 01:45:30,738
And I think all this together
just made his path of engineering.
1704
01:45:31,358 --> 01:45:35,558
He built like planes for himself,
like this, model, planes.
1705
01:45:36,918 --> 01:45:39,688
maybe this helped a lot because
this is somehow, the wing is
1706
01:45:39,718 --> 01:45:40,948
almost like a model plane.
1707
01:45:41,028 --> 01:45:43,528
It's like a similar way of, making it.
1708
01:45:44,798 --> 01:45:45,348
Laurent: Interesting.
1709
01:45:46,208 --> 01:45:51,988
Did, did you ever consider that,
with the added, complexity of flying
1710
01:45:51,988 --> 01:45:56,728
with the foil, that you would want to
have, a backup or reserve parachute?
1711
01:45:57,918 --> 01:46:04,088
Peter: what I found out now is, I actually
almost want to have a slider down rig.
1712
01:46:05,188 --> 01:46:05,798
Laurent: Interesting.
1713
01:46:06,908 --> 01:46:11,948
Peter: flying so slow, on
that, flight at Jungfrau, like
1714
01:46:11,948 --> 01:46:13,708
this almost six minute flight.
1715
01:46:14,418 --> 01:46:16,538
And in the end, I even flared a bit.
1716
01:46:16,578 --> 01:46:21,468
So it was so slow that I pulled
and I was like, no, come on,
1717
01:46:21,918 --> 01:46:23,678
the canopy has to, go out.
1718
01:46:23,678 --> 01:46:25,688
So this was really not a good feeling.
1719
01:46:25,688 --> 01:46:32,258
And, or I just have to make, use
like an even, or the mix of it.
1720
01:46:33,608 --> 01:46:33,928
yeah.
1721
01:46:34,398 --> 01:46:40,258
And also maybe I could use, but I didn't
see like too much sense of it to use
1722
01:46:40,258 --> 01:46:43,288
like a small round canopy, for the wing.
1723
01:46:43,508 --> 01:46:48,118
If you like have to put it away, like
with the electrified wings, you'd
1724
01:46:48,128 --> 01:46:53,118
have this, I just didn't see like
in on the wing project that it's so
1725
01:46:53,118 --> 01:46:55,148
necessary, but I would have it at home.
1726
01:46:55,148 --> 01:46:59,033
It's a small, round canopy and you can
put it in the wingsuit and when you cut
1727
01:46:59,073 --> 01:47:03,133
off the wing then it opens automatically
the round canopy and brings it down.
1728
01:47:05,273 --> 01:47:08,693
But yeah, as you fly always,
there is one direction we want
1729
01:47:08,693 --> 01:47:10,583
to develop is even slower flying.
1730
01:47:10,673 --> 01:47:16,193
And For even slow and flying,
if you then fly yeah, let's say
1731
01:47:16,193 --> 01:47:21,193
like 80, something like this,
kilometer per hour, constant speed.
1732
01:47:22,623 --> 01:47:23,373
Laurent: Yeah, that's eerie.
1733
01:47:23,443 --> 01:47:23,913
Wow.
1734
01:47:24,083 --> 01:47:27,933
Peter: that's crazy because this
is where you normally pull when
1735
01:47:27,933 --> 01:47:29,983
you go for a slider down opening.
1736
01:47:30,793 --> 01:47:34,253
It's then 70, 80 kilometers
per hour is what was our rule.
1737
01:47:34,773 --> 01:47:39,713
We don't want to have more and therefore
you would fly constant 80s like crazy.
1738
01:47:39,713 --> 01:47:44,803
So you really have to rethink,
that kind of yeah, how you pack
1739
01:47:44,833 --> 01:47:46,543
the parachute and things like this.
1740
01:47:47,213 --> 01:47:51,883
But then on one case, this is one
direction to go like slower and to
1741
01:47:51,883 --> 01:47:55,193
use it for soaring, thermal flying,
there's so many possibilities.
1742
01:47:55,973 --> 01:47:58,528
But for sure, if you then even go
further in this direction, To this
1743
01:47:58,528 --> 01:48:02,498
direction, there is one time a place
where it's like getting a hang glider.
1744
01:48:02,538 --> 01:48:04,208
So I totally agree with that.
1745
01:48:04,558 --> 01:48:06,308
Hundreds of comments on my video.
1746
01:48:07,368 --> 01:48:08,998
You're having a hang glider upside down.
1747
01:48:08,999 --> 01:48:12,278
But yeah, this would be one direction.
1748
01:48:12,368 --> 01:48:15,248
And for sure, in one case, they are right.
1749
01:48:15,868 --> 01:48:19,908
But then I also want to, I personally
want to go way more to this direction.
1750
01:48:19,908 --> 01:48:21,488
To have a playful wing.
1751
01:48:21,768 --> 01:48:26,383
And this playful wing, this cool
wing, Could be so extremely fucking
1752
01:48:26,393 --> 01:48:33,343
interesting, for everything for
flaring, for new maneuvers, for even
1753
01:48:33,343 --> 01:48:36,763
for acrobatics, that there could be
so much interesting stuff going on.
1754
01:48:36,763 --> 01:48:40,083
And this will be something we are
actually developing at the moment.
1755
01:48:41,123 --> 01:48:42,253
Laurent: Cool, that's exciting.
1756
01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:47,883
I think you you may have caught a
little bit of hate, in indicating
1757
01:48:47,883 --> 01:48:49,123
that It was a world record.
1758
01:48:50,073 --> 01:48:58,013
because it's so far It's
not the same, but you're
1759
01:48:59,008 --> 01:49:03,568
Peter: You are right and I actually
like from my personal context of
1760
01:49:03,568 --> 01:49:08,298
wingsuiters, which I know they were
all like Yeah, awesome, but I know that
1761
01:49:08,298 --> 01:49:14,478
there is like a lot of not really much
response from let's say America as an
1762
01:49:14,478 --> 01:49:18,798
example I don't know there were not
really people like too much writing
1763
01:49:18,798 --> 01:49:23,598
and that's probably the case Because
they just don't like this record things
1764
01:49:24,428 --> 01:49:26,108
that we are saying this is a record.
1765
01:49:26,658 --> 01:49:29,998
And I was also discussing with
rebel because I'm also not really
1766
01:49:29,998 --> 01:49:35,118
the record thing guy, but what
they are right is with numbers.
1767
01:49:35,158 --> 01:49:37,698
We can really show that
this innovation helps.
1768
01:49:38,408 --> 01:49:42,868
And if we say we could just
have named it different, like
1769
01:49:42,868 --> 01:49:44,558
instead of record, whatever.
1770
01:49:44,968 --> 01:49:49,078
But if you think of the furthest
wingsuit flight so far, somewhere
1771
01:49:49,078 --> 01:49:51,768
registered in the internet is 7.
1772
01:49:51,769 --> 01:49:52,438
5 kilometer.
1773
01:49:53,278 --> 01:49:55,008
And we flew 12.
1774
01:49:55,009 --> 01:49:55,588
5 kilometer.
1775
01:49:55,823 --> 01:49:57,443
Then this is further,
1776
01:49:59,933 --> 01:50:05,083
that's why we actually claimed it
as a record just to, yeah, to get
1777
01:50:05,083 --> 01:50:08,583
the attention and to really showcase
that we're able to fly further.
1778
01:50:09,313 --> 01:50:10,573
And then people say, yeah, for sure.
1779
01:50:10,573 --> 01:50:12,833
You can fly further with a
wing than without the wing.
1780
01:50:13,283 --> 01:50:17,883
But if they would know how difficult
it was to make that wing being
1781
01:50:17,893 --> 01:50:22,323
able to fly stable and to get the
performance out of it, then they
1782
01:50:22,323 --> 01:50:23,783
would probably respect it a bit more.
1783
01:50:24,123 --> 01:50:25,313
Bit more, I would say.
1784
01:50:26,353 --> 01:50:29,383
Yeah, because we had even wings,
which made wingsuit flying worse.
1785
01:50:30,153 --> 01:50:34,073
it was pushing us down and we were
flying less performance than with a wing.
1786
01:50:34,093 --> 01:50:36,363
So it was so sensitive to find that out.
1787
01:50:37,053 --> 01:50:40,583
and I still think, we
are still base jumping.
1788
01:50:41,338 --> 01:50:45,548
I carry this up a mountain, I
jump off, and I'm not paragliding
1789
01:50:45,558 --> 01:50:48,888
or hang gliding, I'm still base
jumping, but I have a fixed wing.
1790
01:50:49,388 --> 01:50:52,848
Yeah, it's a compromise, it's
super difficult, and I'm sorry if
1791
01:50:52,848 --> 01:50:58,488
I pissed anyone off with that, it's
really not, that we wanted that.
1792
01:50:59,498 --> 01:51:04,818
like I said, it's just to showcase,
that we are able to, that it is
1793
01:51:04,828 --> 01:51:06,638
something, it improves something.
1794
01:51:07,468 --> 01:51:11,708
We can fly longer, we can
fly further, and that's it.
1795
01:51:11,958 --> 01:51:14,588
And we don't want to push
down normal wingsuit flying.
1796
01:51:14,608 --> 01:51:17,688
Because I'm also a normal wingsuit
pilot and I love wingsuit flying.
1797
01:51:18,098 --> 01:51:22,078
So it should not showcase that
normal wingsuit flying is now
1798
01:51:22,078 --> 01:51:24,778
boring or not good enough.
1799
01:51:24,998 --> 01:51:26,458
It's totally opposite.
1800
01:51:27,138 --> 01:51:28,518
And that's maybe what was
1801
01:51:28,553 --> 01:51:31,753
Laurent: to this conversation clearly
understands that's not your intention.
1802
01:51:33,098 --> 01:51:33,588
Peter: That's good.
1803
01:51:33,808 --> 01:51:34,218
Thank you.
1804
01:51:34,223 --> 01:51:36,693
Laurent: And if you don't, and
if you don't get any hate, you're
1805
01:51:36,703 --> 01:51:39,503
probably not doing something
as good as you can, could be.
1806
01:51:40,018 --> 01:51:40,428
Peter: Yes,
1807
01:51:41,133 --> 01:51:44,023
Laurent: catching some hate, I
think it's a clear indication
1808
01:51:44,033 --> 01:51:45,773
that you're doing something right.
1809
01:51:47,218 --> 01:51:47,728
Peter: could be.
1810
01:51:47,778 --> 01:51:49,808
I still just really don't like it.
1811
01:51:50,283 --> 01:51:51,503
Laurent: Yeah, no, I hear you.
1812
01:51:53,233 --> 01:51:55,213
We're just about hitting two hours.
1813
01:51:55,243 --> 01:51:58,833
And, again, like I could take this
in a completely different direction
1814
01:51:58,833 --> 01:52:02,643
now here, but, I think this is a
great place for us to end again.
1815
01:52:02,673 --> 01:52:05,223
Peter, thanks so much for
taking the time out of your busy
1816
01:52:05,268 --> 01:52:06,198
Peter: you so much.
1817
01:52:06,213 --> 01:52:08,163
Laurent: share this good
conversation with you.
1818
01:52:08,213 --> 01:52:10,933
And, yeah, man, stay in touch.
1819
01:52:10,948 --> 01:52:12,248
Peter: See you somewhere.
1820
01:52:12,258 --> 01:52:13,168
Hopefully one day.