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The Search Engine Manipulation Effect is real, it's measurable, and it's deciding things for you right now — including how people find your business.
ABOUT THIS EPISODE OF CREATIVE ENTRPRENEUR PODCAST Dr. Robert Epstein — Harvard-trained psychologist, last PhD student under B.F. Skinner, and former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today — joins Julie Lokun and Jen Fontanilla to break down the Search Engine Manipulation Effect (SEME), the research he presented to the U.S. Senate on how algorithms quietly shift opinions, decisions, and even elections. They connect his findings to a bigger question every creative entrepreneur needs to answer: are you building on rented land, or do you Own Your Ecosystem? This one reframes "the algorithm" from a mystery into a system you can understand — and protect yourself from.
Timestamped chapters:
- 00:00 — Cold open: the number that should scare every entrepreneur
- 04:12 — Who is Dr. Robert Epstein? From Skinner's lab to Congress
- 11:30 — What is the Search Engine Manipulation Effect (SEME)?
- 19:45 — Online manipulation and why most people never notice it
- 27:00 — What this means for your brand, your platform, your audience
- 34:15 — Own Your Ecosystem: the antidote to algorithm dependency
- 41:00 — Rapid-fire: AI, free will, and what entrepreneurs should watch for next
- 47:30 — Dr. Epstein's advice for creators who feel powerless against Big Tech
Guest bio: Dr. Robert Epstein is Senior Research Psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology (AIBRT), the last PhD student trained under B.F. Skinner at Harvard University, and the former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today. He is the author of 15 books and more than 250 articles, and his research on the Search Engine Manipulation Effect — published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences — has been the subject of testimony before the U.S. Senate. Learn more at drrobertepstein.com.
- "The scariest manipulation is the one you never see happening."
- "If you don't own your ecosystem, someone else owns your audience."
- "Free will online is a lot more fragile than people want to admit."
Resource links:
- Dr. Robert Epstein: drrobertepstein.com
- Julie Lokun, JD: julielokunconsulting.com
- Dom Domasky / Motivation Champs: motivationchamps.com
- Cre8tive Con: cre8tivecon.com
- Cre8tive Con OTR: cre8tiveconotr.com
A special thank you to our guest co-host Jen Fontanilla! www.jenfontanilla.com
Jen Fontanilla | Strategic Business Positioning for Web & Graphic Designers
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Julie & Dominick
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED TO ROCKWELL: I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY'S WATCHING MEWhat is the Search Engine Manipulation Effect (SEME)? The Search Engine Manipulation Effect is Dr. Robert Epstein's research finding that biased search rankings can shift people's opinions and choices without their awareness, because most users trust top search results as neutral. Epstein's studies, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found this effect strong enough to influence election outcomes.
Who is Dr. Robert Epstein? Dr. Robert Epstein is a Harvard-trained psychologist, the last PhD student under B.F. Skinner, and the former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today. He is Senior Research Psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology and has testified before the U.S. Senate on online manipulation.
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