Issue 666: Lanterns Ep. 6 "Lights Out" Spoiler Review

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I could do this all day. Oh, hello there, Internets.
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Welcome to issue 666 of CometCast. I'm Michael Carroll, alongside
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a very tired Jong Lee. Jong, I hope you can
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make it.
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I'm well caffeinated, and I do have to first start
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off and say that Michael Carroll is the most understanding
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co-host of all time. Um, you know, I typically, there
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are more days where I don't start on time versus
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where I do. So, uh, and Michael's very gracious enough to,
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to wait on me. And Joey's been pulling back the
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curtain a little bit. Joey's been dealing with some viral infection,
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turned into an ear infection. And then we went into
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the doctor twice. The first time I think was on Saturday, uh,
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She got diagnosed with an ear infection. And typically, and
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I didn't know this, typically when you have an ear infection,
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it stems from something else. So the ear infection is
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a result of some kind of other infection or bacterial
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infection or something. So we don't know what the root
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cause was. Bree brought home something weeks ago. Joey really
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didn't get sick and must have stayed in her system. Something. Something.
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And then that turned into blisters on her tongue. And
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for those parents out there, it all kind of points
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towards hand, foot, mouth. And that's like terrible. It's absolutely
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terrible because the sores on their mouth, they can't eat.
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They can get sores on their hands and feet, hence
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the term hand, foot, mouth. So anyway, long story short,
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we took her in or Teresa took her in on
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Monday while I went to go pick up Bree. And
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today's Tuesday. Joey hasn't been to daycare slash school since
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Thursday was her last day. It's been a whole thing.
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It turns out it's not Hampton Mouth and it's just another...
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It's just another result of whatever viral or bacterial. I
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think it was a viral infection that she has. And
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she's dealing with a lot of things. And on top
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of that, she is a thumb sucker. And because of
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the sores in her mouth, she's been, I guess, sucking
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a little too hard. And her gums are swollen. It's
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a whole thing. She has a cut on her lip
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from a different thing. And so she's going through some stuff.
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And we said, you know, instead of waiting for her
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to get better, let's just put the thumb guard on
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now and take that thumb away. And so, man, last night,
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it was the first night without her thumb. And it
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was rough. She woke up every hour. I finally brought
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her into our room and laid her down around 4
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o'clock in the morning. Hmm. And then I had to
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be up by six to get Brie ready. So it's a,
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it's a whole, whole thing. And I, I, I don't
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want to take up too much time here, but yeah,
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it's a, yeah, recording this on a Tuesday and almost,
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almost pushed it back until Wednesday.
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Yeah.
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And one of our friends decided to help us out,
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picked up Brie from school. And so now Joey's down
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and Teresa went over to that house and, Yeah, so
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I have some free time. The start of school, I
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finally got to sit down and work for like five,
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six hours straight, you know, with a lunch break in between.
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And now it just feels like I get interrupted every
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30 minutes to an hour. And yeah, it's been a,
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not a drag. It's been a long couple of days.
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It sounds like a lot. So were you, I'm surprised
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you were able to watch Lanterns.
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Well, Joey, the last couple of days has not, woken
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up until like, because she kept waking up, uh, she
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slept only intermediate immediately that she slept in until almost 11,
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both days, Monday and Tuesday. Um, and I had Monday
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morning kind of basically to myself up until close to 11.
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And so while I was kind of working, I said,
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let me get in. And when, when I watch lanterns,
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I watch it for like 10 minutes and then go
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back to work. And, And then come back to it
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maybe like 30 minutes to an hour later. And, you know,
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so I want to watch it on and off. And
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so I did that Monday morning. So I dropped off Bree,
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got home a little early and decided, let me get
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a little bit of work done while everyone's still sleeping.
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And I watch Lanterns from, you know, every hour or so.
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So I, you know, I went through it and I'm
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glad I did.
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Well, and before we get into our housekeeping and stuff,
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Did you think like I did? Like, this is only
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episode five, but it feels like a season finale?
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Yeah. I mean, we kind of touched upon this the
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other day or the last week where we're kind of like, okay,
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what are they going to deal with after this episode?
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And I mean, this is probably the last time we
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see Hal Jordan alive, right? And I think I mentioned
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this last week, they don't resolve anything. And so episode
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six looks like it's going to be in the future
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or in the quote present day. And yeah, the preview
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of this episode from the previous week, we're just kind
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of sitting there like, man, is this, are we coming
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to a head with the Manhunter? And so now there's
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something bigger out there.
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The mystery.
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I mean, they teased it at the very beginning of
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the season with Hal Jordan dying. So yeah, the next, what,
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three episodes are going to be visiting the death of
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Hal Jordan. So it makes sense as we're kind of
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going along. But they set it up to where the
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Manhunter was going to be the finale, right? Right.
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Not so much. Not so fast, my friend. There's so
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much here. And we'll get to all of that here
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shortly because, yeah, this was a wild episode. And it's
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only episode five. But before we get to any of that,
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I do want to remind folks that wherever you're listening
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of this podcast on ESPN 97.5 Wednesday nights at 7 p.m.
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And then we've been talking about it for the last
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couple of weeks, but Tokyo X is happening at the
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end of this month, September 26th and 27th at the
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Reliance Center here in Houston. We've been giving away pairs
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of tickets the past couple of Fridays during my segment
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on ESPN 97.5 called What to Watch. where I give
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selections of what you should be watching that weekend, whether
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it's in theaters or streaming with Del Olea and Sean Mapes.
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We gave away another pair to Anthony. Shout out to
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Anthony for getting that pair of tickets. But the ticket
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giveaways aren't over. We still got another pair this week,
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another pair next week, leading up to the festival. But
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of course, Tokyo X is a celebration of Japanese culture,
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both traditional and Anime, gaming, food, fashion, music, car culture, guests.
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There's so much to do and so much to see.
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And we've talked about the guests a bit, but Dante
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Bosco being one of the main ones that you'll know,
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that folks may recognize. And the first time ever where
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all the major voices for Goku will be in one place.
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Sean Schimel, Masako Nozawa, Mario Castaneda, and Ancora. the American, Japanese, Spanish,
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and Indian voice actors all together in celebration of Mazako's
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90th birthday. We talked to Naoki Yoshida, the founder of
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the event. That'll be releasing on the podcast feed very soon.
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But yeah, you can get your tickets over at Eventbrite,
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and you can find out more about the festival at tokyonightfest.com.
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Yeah, and like we mentioned this last week, or I
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mentioned this last week, where tickets for kids under five
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are free. And I know a lot of people have
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kids and it's on a weekend and you want to
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go do something as a family. This is a great
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event to go to. And if your kids, you know,
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between six and 10 tickets are only $ 7. So this
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is a, it's a very, very cool event. And if
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you're on, if you don't have kids, they have events
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that are going to be outside of this outside of
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the day stuff. They, they're going to have music and
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they're going to have like concerts and stuff like that.
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It's going to be very, very cool. And if you're
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a foodie, there's a lot of food there. They just
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added a bunch of different food vendors on top of
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what they had. And shout out to one of my
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best friend's brother owns Cow Bow. And the Cow Bow location,
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I think, is only in Katy, Asia Town, inside of
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H Mart. And so if you're big fans of Bow's,
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like those steamed buns. Those are good. Yeah, he makes
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all sorts of like... fusion bowels and stuff like that
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there's like kimchi bulgogi and there's a different bunch of
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like banh mi ones and stuff like that so they
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have that they added that the wagyu dog hdx is
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out there yo-yo drinks sento sentori chi is really good
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if you want to taste some japanese sandwiches and there's
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jinya and nori nori sushi bar so there's a bunch
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of stuff out there that you can kind of check out.
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And it's one of those events that are going to
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be very fun to go to. There's a lot to
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do for everybody. If you like playing video games, there's
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a dedicated arcade section. There's a samurai exhibit if you're
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into that kind of stuff. So yeah, it's going to
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be a very, very cool and fun event.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And some of the other guests that'll be there, Gina Darling,
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which folks may know from social media and streaming and whatnot,
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a lot of cosplayers. The voice of Beerus, Jason Douglas,
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will be there. I mean, just more voice actors, more
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cosplay illustrators, a lot of things, a lot of people
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to go see and check out over at Tokyo. Tokyo
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X happening September 26th and 27th. Get your tickets at
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Eventbrite or just go to tokyonightfest.com to find out more details.
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And then if you want to just win a pair
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of tickets, listen to me this Friday beginning at 1130 a.m.
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on ESPN 97.5 during What to Watch, I'll be giving
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away another pair. I won't be giving a pair to
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Hal Jordan because, wow, what a douche. Now let's talk
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about Lanterns. Episode 5 called Lights Out. Of course, full
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spoilers ahead. If you haven't watched the episode, tune away
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for the rest of this podcast because that's all it
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is the rest of the way.
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Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. You've been warned, all right?
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Was so fixated on taking out the Manhunter. We understood
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why Zoe was doing the things that she was doing.
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We understand a little bit of why Hal was doing
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the things that he was doing. So a very interesting
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episode that did not let up from character deaths to
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action to more dramatic, just emotional moments.
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It had everything.
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Yeah, I don't know where to begin, man. Maybe we
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begin with the relationship that is Hal Jordan and Jon
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Stewart that is essentially, I mean, as of the end
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of last episode, episode four, and to this one, you
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would say it's not repairable, inrepairable. I think that one
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of those additive lines from Batman where I don't have
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to save, I'm not going to kill you, but I
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don't have to save you kind of thing. And he
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used him as bait to lure the Manhunter there and
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nice shooting by John and that fight sequence, the hand
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to hand. And this is a Green Lantern show. And
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we have seen instances where there have been, you know,
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even in this episode where There's the use of the ring, right,
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a lot. And I do like the creative decision, and
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they talked about this from constructing the episode. They talked
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about how they wanted to just make it hand-to-hand. And,
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you know, if you go into this hand-to-hand, there is
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absolutely no way Hal Jordan wins this fight. No. Yeah,
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and he was very outgunned. But, like, one of the
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things about Hal is the determination and the grit. It's...
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It's very admirable, and you could see why he was
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able to take Sinestro down. You could see why just
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the determination and sheer will of this man kept him
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in the fight, and he could probably tell you before
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they even fought that he would never win a hand-to-hand
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with Jon Stewart, but you know what? He's going to
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hurt Jon in the process, and he's going to give
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it his all, and he's not going to give up
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or give in. So I really do admire that about Hal.
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And I think that they did a beautiful job with
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telling the relationship between the two and then climaxing in
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this episode. And we all knew at the very beginning
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of the series when they were interacting with each other
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that this was not going to be a kumbaya relationship
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at the end. And yeah, it wasn't. and it isn't,
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and I think that we will never get a resolution
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between these two.
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Yeah, obviously we got the beginning where it shows how
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talking to John as he's stuck in the car and
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just leaving him there, and obviously John is very angry
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in that moment, leading to eventually him blowing up and
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being burned all over his body. And then later on
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in the episode when he finally just takes the ring
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from Hal. But the angle I want to approach it
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from is that throughout the course of this episode, it
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was building to that moment of where John finally gets
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the ring. But when he gets it, he felt nothing.
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He felt empty. And instead of having this heroic moment
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of him wearing the ring, it felt like a great,
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I got the ring, but this wasn't a good way
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to go about it. This, this didn't turn out how
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I wanted it to, how I wanted it to turn
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out or anything like that.
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And it.
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Just made me think of like classic reluctant hero, which
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makes again, John, the perfect choice to be a green
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lantern because he doesn't want it for the power because
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he doesn't want it, you know, for all this gratitude
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and glory and this and that, like he, or excuse me,
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John wants it for that. And, just having him like
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slowly go through this hero's journey to where he'll obviously
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get the ring later on, whether it's in episode eight
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or whatever the case may be. But I just appreciated
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the journey that it, this, this series has taken John
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on to help us more than anybody else. Understand John
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is the perfect person for, for the ring when he
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eventually wears it.
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Yeah. And man, as this was happening, I was sitting
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there like, you can, to me, you can ruin the
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entire series by one singular event. And that was for
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Jon to basically take the ring and recite the oath
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and he's the lantern from here on out. And I
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was sitting there, I was pleading, I was like, please
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don't make it go this way. It almost felt like,
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and I think this was good writing and direction where
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he had The Manhunter heart. He had the lantern. He
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had the ring. He was making his way to see
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the Guardian. And he put everything on the table. And
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I kind of held out hope. And I kind of
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knew that they were probably not going this direction. But
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we've always, you know, we've been surprised before where they
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make creative decisions. We're just kind of like very disappointed.
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And I am so glad. I am so glad that
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he rejected the ring. That one action, I think, completely
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solidifies my respect and just gratitude for this character. And
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they've been building Jon Stewart up, and he's been living
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up to who he is, and his reputation precedes himself.
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And I'm so glad that the direction that they went
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with this character, because they could have ruined it in
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one singular moment, but I'm glad that they made the
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decision to not have him wear the ring. And, and yeah, I, I, and,
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and before this episode, I would say, I think how
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was my favorite of the two, but like just that
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one singular action of him rejecting the ring, I mean,
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it's neck and neck and I would, I could choose
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any one of those two to be my green lantern
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and I'd be happy with it. Like, I think it's,
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He's he proved a lot with that one action. And
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I and I and I know probably people feel differently.
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And I'm sure that she at least probably feels the
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opposite of what I do, because, you know, talking to her,
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I think she has a lot of respect for John
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and the way the character he is. And I don't
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know where you are with this. But but, yeah, I
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thoroughly enjoyed this this character arc and it's come to
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a crescendo. an apex for Jon Stewart. And yeah, I,
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I really, really enjoyed the way that they've created the,
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that they've told the story of Jon Stewart.
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I've, I've loved it.
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It's so layered and so unique in its telling so far.
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And I I'm with you. I'm glad that he rejected
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the ring because not only was it just that he
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felt empty and he felt nothing in that moment. And he,
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he doesn't want to become like what how becomes later
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on as he, cause he, When you see Hal as
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a different person when he had the ring earlier based
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off the hologram, the hologram's like, oh, I like John.
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He's a nice guy.
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I met that guy the other day. But this version
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of Hal is obviously just, we've talked about it, he's
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jaded to no end, cynicism, all this stuff. But John,
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the way he goes about telling the Guardians Liana, no,
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I don't want the ring. I felt empty, I felt this,
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I felt that, was not only him saying that, but
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also him choosing something different for himself when nothing to
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that point had been really his choice, right? He's always
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been pushed into different directions by whether it's his parents,
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whether it's Liana, whether it's even Zoe and how Zoe,
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the man hunter was using their most effective weapon, Quatus
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as Anton would say, but like using just everyone's manipulating
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them in some way, some form or fashion. And so
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this was his, like, I'm doing my own thing. There's
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so many like liars and manipulators around here that I,
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I can't like, I need to do this for myself
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as much as it is just a, I don't want
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to be like a Hal Jordan one day.
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Yeah.
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And I think that, um, so, so the reason why
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I felt like John's decision could go either way leading
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up to that episode, him sitting on that table and
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accepting Zoe's proposal of like, if I heal you, you're
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going to, you know, kill, how essentially and and he
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accepted it and i understand that he was in very
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a grave amount of pain his entire body is burnt
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to a crisp um his skin is exposed he's lying
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there on the tape on a cold metal table which
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i would imagine it just burns and i understand that
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you know anybody and everybody would take that deal and
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so when he took that deal i was like oh
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no is this character arc going to deviate from what
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I think it's going to do? And I'm glad it didn't.
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And I wonder if that blood in the eye is
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going to come back to bite him in the butt.
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And I'm sure it will because the show's written very well.
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But that's the one thing, that's the one reason why
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it kind of gave me pause is because he agreed
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to her terms. He ended up turning, he ended up
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very unlike of Jon Stewart, giving his word back and
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and basically carrying out the mission yeah.
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I wonder how he worded the agreement to to her
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where it was like i'll take him off the board
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or something along those lines where it wasn't like straight
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up i'm going to murder him just to get it
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around that but it but it also felt like john
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is realizing what other people like whether he realized it
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in the earlier in the episode, or maybe when it
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was just crystallized for him in that brief conversation that
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he has with Zoe, when he finally has all his
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skin back and he talks to her about why she
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chose that scan, why she starts from, you know, why
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she started where she started, how did people treat her
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and talks about that. Like it, I feel like he
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was understanding more and more about what she was capable of.
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And then confirming the Abin Sur, uh, was killed by
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Zoe just really like triggered something in his brain of, Oh,
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I just need to take out the Manhunter there. There
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is no stopping them. Cause I think that's what he
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was testing as well as can the Manhunter change. And,
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but they can't, there's no changing to their programming. So
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they will eliminate whoever they deem a threat. And of course,
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Abin Sur deems, deems, or excuse me, Zoe deemed Abin
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Sur a threat, kills them, even though apparently cared for
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him and all that. Um, but having John go through these,
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these routes and, and this complex storytelling made you guess
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what direction he was leaning in. And I appreciated those
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aspects because yeah, I didn't know earlier in the episode
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when he's going to get the gun and which, by
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the way, one of my favorite lines in the entire episode, uh,
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when he's on the phone with his mom and dad
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going to get the gun. As you can imagine, Mama,
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I'm mad as hell. And I plan on doing something
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about it. But first, I'm going to take that ring
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clean off this MF's finger. So it was like, uh-oh.
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He's really like, you know.
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The anger and frustration in him has boiled over to
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the point where he is going to do something drastic
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with Hal. And no, it was all part of a
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larger plan by John, seemingly.
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Yeah, I do think because he had time to cool down,
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he made the right decision. But... You can't convince me
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that if Hal landed right in front of him at
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that moment while he was saying that, I think he
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would have killed him. I do feel like there was
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so much rage built up in John that I think
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that you could claim insanity. Murder or manslaughter by insanity.
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I do think that because he had some time to
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cool off, think about it and use him as bait.
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right so you don't use somebody as bait unless you
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really think this through and he placed that gun he
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placed that gun to in a place where he can
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get to it very quickly and i was like why
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the hell is he running uh-huh why the hell is
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he running and he you know obviously you understand why
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he was running.
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Yeah exactly that's what i was thinking too i was
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like why why is he running off oh this is
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all part of the the john stewart plan and it
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worked it worked perfectly and what a brutal shot too
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of the the scope over zoe and like so we
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realize that uh-oh like this is crap yeah this is
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this is it um and then yeah john got john
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going through it and taking her out at that moment
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and then taking the ring and taking the lantern and
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just just walking through the town poor guy did not
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have shoes on for a good chunk of this episode.
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No and i imagine his feet are just cut up
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it's all jacked up But I do think that he's
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had the training that he's had has put him through
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this kind of stuff. And I imagine he's used to
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bad conditions on his feet.
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And you mentioned it earlier, too, the fight that they have,
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Hal and him have. It's just brutal. It's not this
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over choreographed thing. It doesn't come down to special weapons
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or the ring itself or anything like that. It's just
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a knock-down, drag-out fight. Obviously, like you said earlier, John's
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going to win that fight nine times out of ten,
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especially if the ring is not the equalizer in that moment.
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And John showcased that. Now, Hal would get moments where
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he would be on top for a second or whatever
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through a lamp or whatever the case, but when John
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tosses him around the room and kicks him through the
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closet and all that, it felt very much like the
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rage-inducing moments of, I just want to wring this dude's
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neck so much. I love that fight sequence too because,
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and I think they said it in the after episode discussion,
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it felt real because it was mainly the two of them,
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not a lot of overcomplicated over-editing or anything like that.
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You felt the force of the punches.
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You felt the throws because you could see it was,
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for the most part, it was Aaron Pierre and Kyle
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Chandler during the fight.
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Yeah, that was kind of cool to find that out
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as well. You don't have weird... I mean, most fight
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scenes in a lot of high-budgeted and well-written and directed stuff,
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you can hardly tell it's a double. But there are
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tricks to kind of hide faces and stuff. This one,
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you see their faces throughout the whole thing, which is
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kind of cool and nice. It just goes to a
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testament of how invested they are, the two actors, Kyle
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Chandler and Aaron Pierre, are in the role and how
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much they love the character and trust in each other
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to not hit each other's face. So there's that aspect
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of it as well.
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Yeah, it's such a testament to them and the choreography
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to it and to approach it in a way to
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where it's done well enough to where you you really
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can't tell when or if the stunt performers are used
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whereas other things it's like blatantly obvious like the the
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wig is completely different or you know whatever the case
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may be this one you know at least on the
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like i re-watched the fight because it was good but
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like on the two two fights two times i watched
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through it i never noticed anything right off off the
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bat so it's just like they did this so well
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and i i love that about the show it takes
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these moments of you know, it's big grand scale. You
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got a satellite blasting the town and all this, but
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you also have two forces of nature and Jon Stewart
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and Hal Jordan fighting, fighting each other in that very
477
00:28:56.299 --> 00:28:59.009
end to just a fisticuff fight. It's not like an
478
00:28:59.089 --> 00:29:02.349
alien superpower or anything like that. It's not the black smoke,
479
00:29:02.450 --> 00:29:04.970
even though the black smoke was cooler, cool in the
480
00:29:05.470 --> 00:29:08.990
earlier part of that episode, but it's just the two
481
00:29:09.029 --> 00:29:11.039
of them finding out who's better in that moment.
482
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.769
Yeah, and I do like the balancing act that they've
483
00:29:14.789 --> 00:29:19.910
done with the series so far. They told us, you know,
484
00:29:20.150 --> 00:29:23.950
true detective style, and we're kind of like, uh, okay.
485
00:29:25.430 --> 00:29:27.789
I understand how you can do that, but I feel
486
00:29:27.809 --> 00:29:30.910
like it might be difficult, but they're nailing it so far. Like,
487
00:29:31.529 --> 00:29:35.190
when it needs to be grounded, it's grounded. No, I
488
00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:38.089
take that back. When it needs to be cosmic, it'll
489
00:29:38.130 --> 00:29:40.240
be cosmic, but the rest of the TV shows, about
490
00:29:40.299 --> 00:29:45.200
relationships it's about the the dynamics between the the the
491
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.390
wing rare and someone that's chasing the ring and there's
492
00:29:48.609 --> 00:29:52.289
so many different other tropes that uh i say tropes
493
00:29:52.329 --> 00:29:54.549
it's not a bad thing but like there's different kind
494
00:29:54.589 --> 00:29:57.619
of things that are within the television show and they've
495
00:29:58.109 --> 00:30:00.589
amped it up so well the writing is done so
496
00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:04.730
well the acting like this is a marriage of everything
497
00:30:04.789 --> 00:30:08.519
very very well done and when they need to go
498
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.740
cosmic they do and when they don't they don't and
499
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:16.079
so I think you know less is more and the
500
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.180
fight sequence I think just kind of put the cherry
501
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.279
on top of everything kind of showing you like you
502
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.309
don't need a lot of cosmic stuff to make it great.
503
00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:28.420
No and you leave the episode leaves how in a
504
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.660
literal and figurative broken state because of what happens of course.
505
00:30:34.339 --> 00:30:38.539
But you see the, the like detriment again, like I
506
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:42.500
mentioned earlier, you see the difference between the hologram and
507
00:30:42.579 --> 00:30:46.599
current how it there it's like almost night and day
508
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.009
to a certain extent to what has done, what has
509
00:30:50.069 --> 00:30:53.170
been done by, by how, and maybe that's a by-product
510
00:30:53.250 --> 00:30:56.690
of what has happened. what happened with sinestro like has
511
00:30:56.769 --> 00:31:00.029
that caused him to reach this this dark dark point
512
00:31:00.109 --> 00:31:06.789
where he is willing to break rules break um like
513
00:31:06.829 --> 00:31:09.089
put people at risk like there there is an aspect
514
00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:13.130
to his plan where he put innocence at risk with
515
00:31:13.170 --> 00:31:17.559
the satellite just blasting down on the town not planning
516
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.500
ahead of time like i don't know maybe you should
517
00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:23.259
have charged a ring beforehand before you go into this fight.
518
00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:26.579
Just a little thought process here. But just different things
519
00:31:26.619 --> 00:31:35.309
that Hal's done that just makes him this gruff, grumpy, cynical.
520
00:31:35.329 --> 00:31:38.589
I don't know what other words. There's probably other better
521
00:31:38.630 --> 00:31:41.690
words that I could describe it. But he is so like,
522
00:31:41.710 --> 00:31:43.119
you're going to have to rip it from my cold,
523
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:47.339
dead hands. Why has it gotten to that point for him?
524
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:52.990
Especially after seeing and knowing what Sinestro had done previously.
525
00:31:53.349 --> 00:31:56.009
Like, I wonder what that element is. Yeah.
526
00:31:56.269 --> 00:31:58.890
I mean, how's the guy that doesn't charge his phone
527
00:31:58.930 --> 00:31:59.910
before he goes to sleep?
528
00:31:59.930 --> 00:32:00.529
A hundred percent.
529
00:32:00.569 --> 00:32:02.349
He just, he just looks at it, just throws on
530
00:32:02.390 --> 00:32:07.440
his bed and just very, um, Maverick like, uh, John,
531
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.720
I need, I'm going to need a hundred percent by,
532
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.980
by morning. So yeah, those are the, I mean, that's
533
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.849
the two type of people out there. Right. And so, yeah. Um,
534
00:32:19.059 --> 00:32:23.440
I do understand that character though, which is, and I
535
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.130
appreciate that character with all the flaws that it has,
536
00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:31.529
but also the cockiness of, you know, I'm always right
537
00:32:31.789 --> 00:32:35.910
kind of thing. My gut tells me this, and I
538
00:32:35.970 --> 00:32:37.809
always trust my gut, and my gut is always right.
539
00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:42.529
So yeah, of all the flaws that Hal Jordan has,
540
00:32:42.609 --> 00:32:47.849
I do love the goodness of that character as well.
541
00:32:48.869 --> 00:32:51.549
And John mentioned that he gave up the oath and
542
00:32:51.569 --> 00:32:53.589
betrayed the oath. I don't think he did. I think
543
00:32:54.230 --> 00:32:55.710
at the core of it, the oath is all he
544
00:32:55.769 --> 00:33:00.809
had left. And I think that without the oath, I
545
00:33:00.849 --> 00:33:04.549
don't think he's there. I don't think he's there to
546
00:33:04.589 --> 00:33:07.130
stop a Manhunter. And that's the only thing keeping him,
547
00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:10.329
separating him from Sinestro is the oath. Yeah.
548
00:33:10.589 --> 00:33:12.450
Yeah. That's like the, I think you're right.
549
00:33:12.490 --> 00:33:15.099
That's like the final thing that he's gripping on because
550
00:33:15.150 --> 00:33:16.950
everything else he's disillusioned to.
551
00:33:18.130 --> 00:33:19.509
Especially with the Guardians.
552
00:33:19.549 --> 00:33:22.190
He doesn't trust the Guardians anymore with what they're doing
553
00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:25.710
with Jon and all that. And then, you know, Jon
554
00:33:25.769 --> 00:33:28.029
pointed it out. They never told him the idea was
555
00:33:28.049 --> 00:33:31.450
to replace him at some point. They just wanted Jon
556
00:33:31.490 --> 00:33:33.829
to take the ring. Everyone just wanted Jon to take
557
00:33:33.869 --> 00:33:38.410
the ring, and there was no process to it. And
558
00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:43.309
we still, like, I am curious if Zoe was there
559
00:33:43.849 --> 00:33:47.740
when Abin Sur was killed, did the, I guess the
560
00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:51.240
ring just instantly flew off in that moment. Or did
561
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.049
Zoe just knowingly like walk away without the ring?
562
00:33:54.089 --> 00:33:54.869
Like, I don't, I don't know.
563
00:33:55.150 --> 00:33:57.849
This is more of a speculative thing, but that, that just,
564
00:33:58.049 --> 00:33:59.430
that thought just occurred to me.
565
00:34:00.470 --> 00:34:03.430
Yeah. I didn't even think about that. I guess it just, uh,
566
00:34:03.569 --> 00:34:07.750
or at least in, in the, in the Ryan Reynolds movie,
567
00:34:07.890 --> 00:34:09.969
the version is just kind of, uh, he just kind
568
00:34:10.030 --> 00:34:10.489
of finds him.
569
00:34:10.570 --> 00:34:11.380
Right. Right.
570
00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:15.030
So, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he
571
00:34:15.070 --> 00:34:19.760
was the... Maybe the Manhunter, Zoe thought that he died
572
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:22.500
and it was not going to do... I don't know.
573
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:22.820
Maybe.
574
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.480
Zoe must have known how the ring operates.
575
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:26.900
Yeah.
576
00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:29.639
I don't know. Maybe she doesn't. And she just thought
577
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.949
that killing a lantern would just kind of make him
578
00:34:32.989 --> 00:34:36.250
go away. But maybe the ring just kind of found Hal.
579
00:34:36.489 --> 00:34:38.769
I don't know. Or Hal found the ring. I'm not sure.
580
00:34:38.929 --> 00:34:41.289
Yeah, I don't know. That one... Go ahead.
581
00:34:41.309 --> 00:34:43.360
Sorry. No, which I was going to say, which we
582
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:44.280
don't need answers to.
583
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:45.159
Yeah, no, no.
584
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.239
Those small details, we don't need answers to. We could
585
00:34:47.260 --> 00:34:49.960
just kind of, you know, and which is why I
586
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:52.320
love the show, is like the small little details you
587
00:34:52.340 --> 00:34:55.059
don't need to know. You could just kind of let
588
00:34:55.099 --> 00:34:58.949
the watcher or the person viewing the show kind of
589
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.949
draw their own conclusions, which is one of the reasons
590
00:35:01.989 --> 00:35:02.530
why I like the show.
591
00:35:02.849 --> 00:35:06.829
Yeah, because we learned a lot about Zoe in this
592
00:35:06.949 --> 00:35:10.090
episode and how they operate and how they use seduction
593
00:35:10.630 --> 00:35:14.739
as their, like, most effective weapon as, as Anton points
594
00:35:14.780 --> 00:35:16.739
it out in that sequence.
595
00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:17.340
With, with Hal.
596
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.670
But we, we get a better understanding of Zoe was
597
00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:26.349
not killed when they did the switch off when the
598
00:35:26.449 --> 00:35:29.510
guardians felt like the man hunters were too brutal for
599
00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:31.880
whatever reason. And that's one of those things kind of
600
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.639
going back to what you just said. Now, I don't
601
00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:35.840
necessarily need an explanation as to why she was the
602
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.579
only one. That's fine. Like, just tell me that and
603
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:42.369
I'm good. But then we learned that Abensor seemingly protected her.
604
00:35:43.050 --> 00:35:46.429
She ends up killing him because she can't risk him
605
00:35:46.469 --> 00:35:49.829
going back and telling people about where she's at. And
606
00:35:49.869 --> 00:35:56.480
then she starts building this little setup here in Rushville, Nebraska,
607
00:35:57.179 --> 00:36:02.079
to operate on her own. And once John gets into
608
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:07.239
the picture, we understand that she's using him in some ways. Anton,
609
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:11.039
we learned that he had a very deep relationship with
610
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:15.000
Zoe as well. Tried to have kids, couldn't have kids.
611
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.119
And yeah, we learned a lot about Zoe's background in
612
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.260
this episode, and especially from Anton's perspective.
613
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:30.179
Yeah. And I'm trying to understand, I forget his name,
614
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:36.380
but William's son is not with Zoe, right? Right. Because
615
00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:37.679
Zoe can't reproduce.
616
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:38.360
Right.
617
00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:45.679
And so I imagine... Okay. So... And then... So... I'm wondering...
618
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:48.119
And this is the one thing that kind of stood
619
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.190
out to me in this episode was where they made
620
00:36:51.269 --> 00:36:55.789
it an effort to kind of have a last conversation
621
00:36:55.829 --> 00:37:01.530
between the grandson and Zoe. And I'm like... And I've
622
00:37:01.570 --> 00:37:09.400
seen theories that a Manhunter... is still alive and there's
623
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.500
a prevailing theory that the grandson is a manhunter but
624
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.860
there's a a different way to become a manhunter now
625
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.880
without and now the grandson doesn't know that he's a
626
00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:22.820
manhunter and so there's that theory and so i'm wondering
627
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:26.030
like because they made a kind of a cautious uh
628
00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:29.269
conscious effort to show that relationship a little bit more
629
00:37:29.289 --> 00:37:31.710
in this episode i know it was very short but
630
00:37:31.750 --> 00:37:34.010
like you know it's just kind of like it was
631
00:37:34.070 --> 00:37:36.000
an I wouldn't say it was an odd spot, but
632
00:37:36.019 --> 00:37:38.280
it was just kind of like, huh. And I understand
633
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:39.360
why people make that theory.
634
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.260
And she, she also says, you know, just remember what
635
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:44.500
I told you or always remember what I told you.
636
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.920
I forget how it was worded exactly, but it was,
637
00:37:47.619 --> 00:37:49.739
it felt like there was more to it than simply
638
00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:54.489
like be, you know, be smarter, learn this way or
639
00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:54.849
that way.
640
00:37:54.869 --> 00:37:55.329
You know what I mean?
641
00:37:55.349 --> 00:37:58.070
Like a classic grandma thing to teach a kid or,
642
00:37:58.190 --> 00:38:00.269
or a parent to teach a kid. It felt like
643
00:38:00.289 --> 00:38:04.860
there was more to that statement than simply, um, you know, remember,
644
00:38:05.139 --> 00:38:06.239
remember my teachings.
645
00:38:07.420 --> 00:38:07.679
Yeah.
646
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:11.699
Yeah. So that, that gives me pause that. So that
647
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.199
gives you pause. And, and so that Manhunter storyline is,
648
00:38:15.929 --> 00:38:18.849
it's potentially not done yet. And I imagine it doesn't get,
649
00:38:19.949 --> 00:38:23.309
if the grandson is a Manhunter, I imagine it's not
650
00:38:23.369 --> 00:38:25.849
going to be resolved in this season.
651
00:38:26.170 --> 00:38:28.909
No, that would be a season two thing. Probably a
652
00:38:28.969 --> 00:38:31.010
tease at the end of the season two to a
653
00:38:31.050 --> 00:38:33.340
season two. If we, if we get that, The other
654
00:38:33.429 --> 00:38:35.809
aspect that we learned about Zoe is that she does
655
00:38:35.889 --> 00:38:42.449
something to make people basically owe her for everything. And
656
00:38:42.489 --> 00:38:44.829
we learned that at the very beginning of the episode
657
00:38:44.869 --> 00:38:47.889
with Carrie. When she shows up from Gotham and is
658
00:38:48.090 --> 00:38:51.510
approached by two of these people that are part of whatever.
659
00:38:51.269 --> 00:38:52.510
Gang or mob or whatever.
660
00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:55.550
And Zoe just wrecks shop on the one guy before
661
00:38:55.590 --> 00:38:58.889
he can even do anything. Gets Carrie to chop off
662
00:38:58.949 --> 00:39:02.019
a pinky. To prove she's dead, but then grows back
663
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.679
her pinky and makes people, like, this is how a
664
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.260
Manhunter operates. And she does the same thing with John
665
00:39:08.300 --> 00:39:10.559
later on in the episode, hence why she doesn't, like,
666
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.500
try and save him out of the car. She lets
667
00:39:13.539 --> 00:39:16.219
him get burned so that she can utilize him and
668
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.239
use that over him.
669
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.090
Yeah, which is diabolical.
670
00:39:20.869 --> 00:39:21.570
Wild.
671
00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:26.579
Yeah, it's the most... manipulative thing that you could ever
672
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:31.710
do is to somebody uh in both instances and yeah
673
00:39:31.889 --> 00:39:34.429
it's uh she i mean i mean she kind of
674
00:39:34.449 --> 00:39:38.579
had this all laid out it planned out from the
675
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.860
moment that they stepped into into brushville um not not
676
00:39:42.940 --> 00:39:45.039
that i'm saying like she knew exactly what was going
677
00:39:45.059 --> 00:39:51.469
to happen but like she just planted that metaphorical seed,
678
00:39:52.110 --> 00:39:56.130
Jon Stewart's seed, very, very early on, and with the coitus,
679
00:39:56.449 --> 00:39:56.909
got him hooked.
680
00:39:58.449 --> 00:40:00.170
It only takes one time. You're hooked, man.
681
00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:05.579
I mean, they coitus twice. They did. Coitus is a
682
00:40:05.619 --> 00:40:06.639
fun word, I have to say.
683
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.500
It's a good way to, you know, work around not
684
00:40:10.539 --> 00:40:12.079
having to say they....
685
00:40:13.550 --> 00:40:13.820
Right.
686
00:40:14.909 --> 00:40:19.969
And then, of course, Anton kills Macon, Will Macon, like, brutally. Like,
687
00:40:20.530 --> 00:40:22.570
just throws a knife in his chest and rips out
688
00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:22.989
his heart.
689
00:40:23.750 --> 00:40:24.750
Oh, man.
690
00:40:25.590 --> 00:40:29.250
Yeah. Just a quick aside. I didn't think Anton was
691
00:40:29.269 --> 00:40:30.170
going to die that soon.
692
00:40:30.550 --> 00:40:32.889
I didn't think so either. I didn't think so at all.
693
00:40:33.510 --> 00:40:39.110
Yeah. So, yeah, that was crazy. And... The one little
694
00:40:39.150 --> 00:40:43.159
thing that all of those questions, the series of questions
695
00:40:43.179 --> 00:40:45.300
that were asked and he passed all of them except
696
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.480
for one little thing and how the Manhunter doesn't care
697
00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:50.719
if it dies or not. And that's the one little
698
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.239
lie that he caught. And yeah, it's just proof. He
699
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.980
basically took proof that he was human, right? He took
700
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.219
his heart out and it didn't crystal over, crystallize over.
701
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.960
So yeah, that was absolutely brutal and a terrible way
702
00:41:05.980 --> 00:41:06.719
to die. Yeah.
703
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:07.219
Yeah.
704
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.699
And then, of course, like you said, Anton blows himself up, obviously,
705
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.619
once he figures out where Zoe's at. But, you know,
706
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.940
Hal sends him up to where he can blow up
707
00:41:17.980 --> 00:41:20.719
in the sky and there's no problem, which is wild
708
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.480
to me because, like, I've seen that bit in the
709
00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:25.820
trailer so many times and I'm like, oh, wow, that
710
00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:27.400
was Anton this whole time.
711
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.260
Obviously, I had no idea. But that's an interesting way
712
00:41:31.300 --> 00:41:32.440
for the character to go.
713
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:34.800
Yeah, but, I mean, I guess, like, if you really
714
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.630
think about it, his... he really served no purpose other
715
00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:43.849
than driving the plot forward. Um, so I'm not, I
716
00:41:43.889 --> 00:41:45.289
don't have a huge problem with it, but it was
717
00:41:45.309 --> 00:41:47.630
just a surprise that he just blew up.
718
00:41:47.909 --> 00:41:48.630
Oh yeah.
719
00:41:48.849 --> 00:41:49.429
Same.
720
00:41:49.449 --> 00:41:50.130
Yeah.
721
00:41:50.550 --> 00:41:52.769
No, it's same. It, it never, it wasn't like a
722
00:41:52.809 --> 00:41:54.900
bad thing. It was just like a, Oh, wow yeah
723
00:41:55.019 --> 00:41:57.800
this is shocking especially like you know we talked about
724
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.000
atrocities that ain't atrocities never mind disregard.
725
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.800
That yeah i was like oh his uh the he
726
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.690
was important to the series to drive the plot forward
727
00:42:11.969 --> 00:42:15.409
and to have somebody that is basically a countdown right
728
00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:18.949
and he had a total of less than 10 minutes
729
00:42:18.989 --> 00:42:20.750
of screen time throughout the whole series so i'm like
730
00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:24.030
oh Like, that was, it was anticlimactic, but, like, you
731
00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:25.650
think about it, you're like, oh, okay, well, like, he
732
00:42:25.929 --> 00:42:28.369
kind of served his purpose, and he's not, no longer needed.
733
00:42:28.989 --> 00:42:31.300
And, I mean, the biggest thing, too, is he helps
734
00:42:31.340 --> 00:42:36.219
you understand what the Manhunter, why that, the tool of
735
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:40.699
the Manhunter, of Coitus, is the most effective thing, because
736
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.030
it sounds like, based off the way Anton reacts and
737
00:42:45.369 --> 00:42:49.070
talks and everything, it sounds like they had a deep
738
00:42:49.110 --> 00:42:53.079
relationship for a long time. you know, and hence why
739
00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:57.019
it hurt him so much and why somebody like him
740
00:42:57.219 --> 00:43:00.280
would be willing to do everything that he was going
741
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:06.349
to do to destroy, in a sense, whoever, just to
742
00:43:06.389 --> 00:43:07.369
get back at the Manhunter.
743
00:43:08.429 --> 00:43:13.030
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was very personal, as you
744
00:43:13.050 --> 00:43:17.260
can tell, and they did whatever they could to at
745
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.710
least potentially try to kill the Manhunter, and Um, yeah, it,
746
00:43:22.090 --> 00:43:27.840
it blew up in his face. Uh, yeah, it's, it,
747
00:43:27.949 --> 00:43:29.909
it didn't work out for him, but the man hunter,
748
00:43:29.969 --> 00:43:32.050
I guess like if you were to say like if his,
749
00:43:32.710 --> 00:43:35.349
if his, uh, ultimate goal was to make sure the
750
00:43:35.369 --> 00:43:39.920
man hunter died. Yeah. I guess that, uh, mission accomplished.
751
00:43:39.940 --> 00:43:40.519
Kind of. Yeah.
752
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:41.300
Kind of in a way.
753
00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:45.099
Um, but I do like it just kind of, again,
754
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.639
it speaks to the writing and plotting of the show,
755
00:43:48.019 --> 00:43:52.130
how even that villain, uh, Even though he doesn't get
756
00:43:52.170 --> 00:43:54.389
a ton of screen time, it's okay because you still
757
00:43:54.449 --> 00:43:59.690
are able to tie it in with the main villain. Manhunter,
758
00:44:00.090 --> 00:44:06.670
maybe not main villain, main antagonist for the 2016 timeline.
759
00:44:07.110 --> 00:44:08.849
Tie it all back in and make it a more
760
00:44:08.909 --> 00:44:12.690
complex story than simply alien needs to get revenge or
761
00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:15.829
something along those lines. It made the story just hit
762
00:44:16.250 --> 00:44:19.789
that much harder with how things went down. And then
763
00:44:19.829 --> 00:44:23.130
we mentioned it earlier, but of course, you know, we
764
00:44:23.150 --> 00:44:25.349
talked about it at the beginning about John giving up,
765
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.199
not wearing the ring and giving everything back to the Guardian.
766
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.159
And I love the thing that John says to Liana,
767
00:44:34.179 --> 00:44:39.820
the Guardian, about your sin when she asks, what's in
768
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.619
the backpack? He says, your sin and consequences.
769
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:44.599
He's not wrong.
770
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.889
He's not wrong. But of course.
771
00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:51.130
John, as we've established, gives the ring, the lantern, and
772
00:44:51.409 --> 00:44:56.119
Zoe's heart to the Guardian, says, I'm not wearing the ring, leaves.
773
00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:01.940
I can't imagine that Liana, the Guardian, would give the
774
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.900
ring back to Hal Jordan after everything they did to
775
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.480
fight that character from having the ring. So we go
776
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:14.420
back to Hal Jordan dead in 2026, no ring in sight.
777
00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:18.860
I guess this does mean that the ring that Guy
778
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.340
Gardner has is possibly the ring that we're seeing.
779
00:45:22.619 --> 00:45:23.019
Yeah.
780
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.460
Yeah. Uh, I mean, I guess he's going to have
781
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.219
to play it off to where the rings are the
782
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:32.329
same because, um, it's not, you know, obviously it doesn't
783
00:45:32.369 --> 00:45:37.050
look the same in the movie. Uh, yeah. So yeah,
784
00:45:37.110 --> 00:45:39.849
I mean, I, that's what it points to right now.
785
00:45:40.389 --> 00:45:42.250
It's what it seems like as of now.
786
00:45:42.369 --> 00:45:46.690
So I just find that like, Oh, now it makes sense.
787
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:51.599
why we could say it's Guy Gardner. But in that case,
788
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.789
did he go through a selection process or did they simply, because,
789
00:45:55.809 --> 00:45:58.369
you know, it doesn't seem like the Green Lantern type,
790
00:45:58.809 --> 00:46:01.610
but is he just more willing to subserve to the
791
00:46:01.650 --> 00:46:04.099
Guardians more than John, more than Hal ever would?
792
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.860
I think so, because of the way that the Justice Society...
793
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:16.150
Is it Justice Society? Is that the one in Superman?
794
00:46:17.789 --> 00:46:19.730
Is it Justice Society or Justice Gang?
795
00:46:20.269 --> 00:46:23.429
Justice Gang. Justice Gang. I'm like, that's not the Justice Society.
796
00:46:23.469 --> 00:46:29.309
That's not the GSA. No, the Justice Gang is pretty...
797
00:46:28.349 --> 00:46:33.570
I would say it's pretty close to a government organization. Mm-hmm.
798
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:34.179
Mm-hmm.
799
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:41.340
And it screams, I'm an obedient Green Lantern, even though
800
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:45.780
I mouth off a lot. It's like a toned down
801
00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:48.840
Deadpool government employee kind of thing.
802
00:46:48.969 --> 00:46:49.820
Right, with a bowl cut.
803
00:46:50.670 --> 00:46:54.309
Yeah, with a bowl cut. And so, yeah, it might
804
00:46:54.369 --> 00:47:00.730
seem like he is one to be molded and that
805
00:47:00.869 --> 00:47:05.960
they've chose a non-human to protect earth i guess i
806
00:47:05.980 --> 00:47:06.739
would imagine.
807
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:11.289
And it maybe it is a an establishing like maybe
808
00:47:11.309 --> 00:47:13.809
in these last three episodes we'll see the establishing of
809
00:47:14.769 --> 00:47:19.210
why earth needs two rings present or because i i
810
00:47:19.250 --> 00:47:22.050
don't remember if guy gardner's in man of tomorrow but
811
00:47:23.010 --> 00:47:26.650
if he is and how we know john is supposed
812
00:47:26.670 --> 00:47:28.289
to be aaron pierre supposed to be in it so
813
00:47:29.190 --> 00:47:31.170
Could there be a possibility where we finally build up
814
00:47:31.230 --> 00:47:34.480
to the Guardians giving two rings, or is there something else?
815
00:47:34.539 --> 00:47:38.480
Does John simply take the ring from Guy? But it
816
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:43.119
also has to play out over who killed how Jordan.
817
00:47:43.619 --> 00:47:47.280
Was it somebody like a Guy Gardner? Was it somebody else?
818
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:51.449
Was it a Guardian? And why in Rushville, of all places?
819
00:47:53.090 --> 00:47:58.280
Just a quick Google search. James Gunn did... confirmed that
820
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.719
Nathan Fillion will be back in Man of Tomorrow.
821
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:02.079
Interesting, okay.
822
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.909
So you'll have two Guardians. Not Guardians, two Lanterns.
823
00:48:06.409 --> 00:48:10.090
So maybe by the end of this season, we'll get
824
00:48:10.289 --> 00:48:13.150
a determination from the Guardians of like, yeah, this sector
825
00:48:13.190 --> 00:48:16.070
needs two rings because y'all are a hot mess or
826
00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:19.969
whatever the case may be. But yeah, I imagine we
827
00:48:20.010 --> 00:48:23.050
get some better understanding of how Guy Gardner comes into
828
00:48:23.090 --> 00:48:25.489
play in this next episode. I think he is in
829
00:48:25.510 --> 00:48:29.610
the preview towards the end of it. And I wonder, too,
830
00:48:30.090 --> 00:48:34.130
if people are thinking John killed Hal. I wonder if
831
00:48:34.230 --> 00:48:37.630
that's played into people's minds since they didn't end on
832
00:48:37.670 --> 00:48:38.190
good terms.
833
00:48:40.090 --> 00:48:42.030
Yeah, I mean, I guess that could be the case.
834
00:48:42.650 --> 00:48:44.530
I guess we'll get a much clearer picture here in
835
00:48:44.550 --> 00:48:50.329
the next episode. But I could see why. But I don't...
836
00:48:50.550 --> 00:48:56.400
I mean, I have zero... inclination that it would john
837
00:48:56.420 --> 00:48:59.000
would ever do that no he's a man of principle
838
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.159
he has a line he has a line that he
839
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:05.219
won't cross and even if that is if there's a
840
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:08.949
line in front of even if he if he needs
841
00:49:09.030 --> 00:49:12.730
to do something that will compromise him morally but it
842
00:49:12.809 --> 00:49:15.289
will give him his ultimate goal which was the ring
843
00:49:15.369 --> 00:49:21.280
and he just didn't do it. Even at the advice
844
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.380
of his own parents, he didn't do it. Twice. He
845
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.579
had multiple chances to do it, and he never did.
846
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.179
He's a man of principle, and I thoroughly respect that.
847
00:49:32.179 --> 00:49:33.000
100%.
848
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.289
That's why he is the right choice to be Green Lantern.
849
00:49:36.369 --> 00:49:40.210
With everything that he does, even saying basically uh once
850
00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:42.349
he tells mom like no i didn't take it what
851
00:49:42.369 --> 00:49:45.150
do you mean you didn't take it no not after
852
00:49:45.210 --> 00:49:47.449
what you said and like how he lays everything out
853
00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:50.570
to her like no this this sucks like this is
854
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:53.940
not good um uh one other note before we wrap
855
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:57.320
up i do want to highlight uh john low-key very
856
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.599
funny uh because he when he comes out of the
857
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:03.889
device that repairs his skin he's like if i come
858
00:50:03.949 --> 00:50:05.369
out white deals off.
859
00:50:07.150 --> 00:50:09.289
So good and then i think she didn't she asked
860
00:50:09.309 --> 00:50:10.610
him if he came out darker.
861
00:50:10.510 --> 00:50:12.409
Yeah she's like what if you came out darker then
862
00:50:12.429 --> 00:50:15.400
it was like b yes and no like because of
863
00:50:15.429 --> 00:50:18.420
the his brothers and everything so and then it leads
864
00:50:18.460 --> 00:50:22.679
to that that bigger conversation but john very funny and
865
00:50:22.699 --> 00:50:24.699
like i mentioned earlier that as you can imagine mama
866
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:28.380
i am mad as hell i love that line.
867
00:50:28.869 --> 00:50:34.150
Yeah, yeah. I think he's grown on me tremendously over
868
00:50:34.210 --> 00:50:38.130
the last couple of episodes. I really like him. Not
869
00:50:38.170 --> 00:50:41.179
to say I didn't like him in the first three episodes.
870
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:45.280
I think the ranking for me was always Hal and
871
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.440
then John, and now I think it's pretty even.
872
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:48.800
I think. Yeah, yeah.
873
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:54.280
And I think this is solidifying my... Because I think
874
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.780
I mentioned it when we were starting to do these
875
00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:59.940
Lantern Reviews. I grew up on, you know, justice league
876
00:50:59.960 --> 00:51:03.119
unlimited justice league and all that. And so I was
877
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:06.219
always attached to Jon Stewart. And so to have something
878
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.719
like this, where they really put Jon Stewart on a
879
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.400
pedestal has me like, yeah, this is Jon Stewart. This
880
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.050
is a hundred percent Jon Stewart every, every which way,
881
00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:18.409
because he was so, he was always so even keel
882
00:51:18.849 --> 00:51:21.469
in his portrayal and the cartoons and everything. And he
883
00:51:21.510 --> 00:51:24.730
was always so determined and, you know, just all these
884
00:51:24.750 --> 00:51:28.280
different aspects and it made him a great character. here
885
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.380
just Aaron Pierre is nailing it throughout and the writing and,
886
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:34.059
and the way the show has been structured has been
887
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:36.519
nailing it so far. So I'm excited to see where
888
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.690
now we go in 2026, where that story leads us
889
00:51:40.590 --> 00:51:42.769
as Carrie and John, I assume Carrie and John are
890
00:51:42.789 --> 00:51:45.809
going to be investigating who killed how Jordan and why
891
00:51:45.849 --> 00:51:48.769
would they do, you know, whoever do that, especially if
892
00:51:49.550 --> 00:51:52.179
it is just a point blank, like just gun to
893
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:53.320
the head sort of situation.
894
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.329
Yeah. There's also a... I mean, I don't know if
895
00:51:56.349 --> 00:51:59.570
this would be the direction they would go just because
896
00:52:00.289 --> 00:52:02.949
I don't think a Manhunter would use guns. But you
897
00:52:02.969 --> 00:52:06.869
also have the prevailing theory that the grandson is a Manhunter. Right.
898
00:52:07.210 --> 00:52:10.610
I don't know. Maybe him not knowing that he's a
899
00:52:10.659 --> 00:52:13.429
Manhunter takes a gun to Hal and they have some
900
00:52:13.469 --> 00:52:15.300
kind of fight. He finds out he's a Manhunter and
901
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.880
he just kills John. That's just... I mean, Hal and
902
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.559
maybe that's a thing. I don't know. But I'm just
903
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.820
kind of throwing it out there. I didn't see that anywhere.
904
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:25.969
I'm just kind of like thinking... On top of my,
905
00:52:26.190 --> 00:52:28.130
you know, just whatever comes on top of my head.
906
00:52:28.429 --> 00:52:29.309
I don't know.
907
00:52:29.570 --> 00:52:31.429
That makes a lot of sense because also, like, if
908
00:52:31.469 --> 00:52:33.340
it's a kid, like, Hal's not going to be, like,
909
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:36.880
Hal's going to be whatever about it. Or if for
910
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.760
whatever reason Hal's just miserable and he, like, maybe eggs
911
00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:42.480
the kid on at that point, like, once he realizes
912
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:45.590
who it is. Because I forget how old the kid
913
00:52:45.710 --> 00:52:50.349
is in 2016. He's probably, like, I don't know, 7, 8? Well,
914
00:52:50.369 --> 00:52:51.559
maybe a little bit older, maybe 10.
915
00:52:51.550 --> 00:52:51.809
Yeah.
916
00:52:51.889 --> 00:52:56.130
Yeah. So I would imagine he's close to being of
917
00:52:56.170 --> 00:52:56.849
that legal age.
918
00:52:57.429 --> 00:53:01.389
So probably around 20, somewhere around there. So if he
919
00:53:01.829 --> 00:53:05.199
shows up, he's the one in Rushville. I mean, that
920
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.460
one makes a lot of sense now that you point
921
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:07.840
that out.
922
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.480
Yeah. So I'm just kind of spitballing here.
923
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:12.800
I don't know.
924
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.300
We'll find out very soon as to who got so
925
00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:18.690
close to Hal Jordan himself. But that's going to do
926
00:53:18.710 --> 00:53:21.619
it for issue 666 of Comcast. Thank you all for
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