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00:00:05.720Hello, I'm Niccolò Pescetelli and this is Collective Intelligence, why groups get smart,
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00:00:12.840strange and stuck. In the autumn of 1793, there is a man hiding in a boarding house on the Rue
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00:00:25.360he has been condemned in his absence, and there is a decree with his name on it. And if he is
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00:00:31.600recognised in the street, he will be dead inside the week. The woman who owns the house, Madame
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00:00:37.120Vernet, has agreed to keep him, which is an act of considerable courage given what happens to people
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00:00:45.080who shelter the proscribed. So he sits in a room he cannot leave, and he writes. And what he writes
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00:00:51.960in that room, while a state he helped to build is hunting him, is one of the most staggeringly
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00:00:58.360optimistic documents any human being has ever produced. It is a sketch of the progress of the
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00:01:05.320human mind, and he argues that there is no limit, that errors and superstition and tyranny are
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00:01:11.680temporary, that education and the free circulation of knowledge will go on improving us indefinitely,
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00:01:20.060that the species is perfectible. He is writing this while listening for footsteps on the stairs.
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00:01:26.780His name is Marie-Jean-Antoine Nicolas de Caritat, Marquis de Condorcet. He is a mathematician,
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00:01:33.180one of the very best in Europe. He was permanent secretary of the Academy of Sciences. He was,
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00:01:41.920before all this, a genuine aristocrat who decided that aristocracy was indefensible. He argued for the
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00:01:48.600abolition of slavery. He argued for the rights of Protestants and Jews. He argued in 1790,
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00:01:55.320when essentially nobody was arguing this, that women should have the vote, on the straightforward grounds
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00:02:03.120that either rights come from being a rational being, or they do not. And if they do, then half of the
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00:02:11.180population has been robbed. And eight years before he went into that room, he published a book, which is
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00:02:17.900the reason why I'm talking about him now. It is called, roughly, an essay on applying analysis
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00:02:25.900to the probability of decisions, reached by a plurality of votes. He came out in 1785 from the Royal Printing House,
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00:02:33.020four years before the revolution. In it, he does something nobody has done. He takes the question,
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00:02:39.740should we let the majority decide? And he treats it as a mathematics problem. Not a philosophy
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00:02:47.340problem. Not a question about rights or legitimacy or the consent of the governed. But a calculation. He
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00:02:53.740asks, under what conditions does asking a lot of people and counting the votes actually get you the
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00:03:01.020right answer. And it produces a result which, for 200 years, has been the single strongest argument
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00:03:08.200anyone has for democracy. It is also, and this is the thing I want to spend most of the episode on,
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00:03:14.860one of the most alarming results in the whole of social science. Because the same piece of mathematics
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00:03:21.740that says, a large public is almost certain to be right, also says, with exactly the same confidence,
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00:03:29.180under conditions that are barely different, that a large public is almost certain to be wrong.
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00:03:35.900And the quantity that decides which of those two worlds you are living in is a number that nobody
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00:03:43.900has ever been able to measure. Five months after he finishes writing in that room, he is dead in a cell.
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00:03:48.940Okay, let's do the mathematics first, and then we will come back to the cell.
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00:03:55.740To understand why a mathematician was writing about voting at all, you have to understand what the
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00:04:03.900enlightenment was, or, like, thought mathematics was for. Condorcet opens the 1785 book by talking
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00:04:10.140about a dead friend. He does not name him in the sentence, but he means Turgo, the economist and
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00:04:18.220reforming minister who had been his mentor and who had died in 1781. And what he says about him is that
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00:04:27.340Turgot had been persuaded of something: that the truths of the moral and political sciences are capable of the
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00:04:36.620the same certainty as the truth of the physical sciences. That a claim about how a society should
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00:04:43.580be arranged could, in principle, be as solid as a claim about where Jupiter will be next Thursday.
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00:04:50.860Now, sit with how strange and how enormous that is. Astronomy in the 18th century was the miracle
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00:04:58.540science. Newton had taken the movements of the heavens, which had been the property of gods and omens for
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00:05:05.820the whole of human history, and reduced them to a few lines of algebra that worked. You could predict
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00:05:15.100an eclipse. You could predict it to the minute, decades out, and be right. And a certain kind of mind looked
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00:05:21.260at that and thought: why should this stop at the sky? Why should the motion of a planet be calculable
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00:05:28.860and the arrangement of a state not be? We do not have a science of moral things yet, but there is
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00:05:36.700no reason in principle that we cannot have one. We just have not done the work. That project has a name
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00:05:45.260in French: mathématique sociale, social mathematics, and Condorcet is its most serious advocate. In 1785,
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00:05:55.260the essay is an installment of this mathématique sociale. He's not writing about juries because he's
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00:06:02.780interested in juries. He's writing about juries because a jury is the simplest possible case of the thing he
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00:06:10.460actually cares about, which is whether a society can reason. It is worth knowing who was making this
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00:06:20.060argument because the biography is not just context here. It explains why he cared. He was born in 1743 in
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00:06:27.740Picardy into the minor nobility, and he was a prodigy. By his mid-twenties, he was in the Academy of
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00:06:35.340Sciences. D'Alembert, one of the editors of the great encyclopedia, took him up. And he could have
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00:06:43.740had that life, you know, the life that came with that: silence, pensions, a reputation, an easy path,
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00:06:52.380and instead he kept using it on things that could only cost him. In 1781, eight years before the
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00:06:59.420Revolution, he published An Attack on Slavery. He published it in Switzerland, and he published it
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00:07:08.060under a false name, a fictious Swiss pastor called Joachim Schwartz, which tells you what he thought he
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00:07:14.940would do to do to him at home. The argument is not economic, and it is not sentimental. It is that
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00:07:22.780black people have the same mind, the same reason, the same virtues as white people, and that owning
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00:07:30.300them is therefore a violation of right, full stop. He wanted emancipation to be gradual, which is, you know,
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00:07:37.980a real limitation, and I'm not going to paper over it. But he was arguing that the thing was indefensible
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00:07:46.700in principle, in 1781, in a France that was getting extremely rich from it. In 1790, he wrote an essay
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00:07:55.340arguing that women should have full political rights, not improved conditions, but the votes and citizenship
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00:08:04.220on the same terms as men. His reasoning is almost brutally simple: rights follow from being a creature
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00:08:12.220with reason and a moral sense. Women are such creatures, therefore, excluding them is not a
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00:08:19.260tradition or a convention, but it is a straightforward breach of the rights the Revolution claimed to be
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00:08:28.140founded on. Almost nobody was saying this. He said it in print under his own name. And he married Sophie
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00:08:35.100de Grouchy, who translated Adam Smith and ran one of the serious intellectual salons in Paris.
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00:08:44.060And who is the reason? We have the manuscript I mentioned at the start. So, a man who believed that
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00:08:51.580human reason was general, that it did not come in grades according to race or sex, and that a society
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00:08:58.540organised around it would keep improving. Now, you can see why the question of whether a group of
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00:09:06.940ordinary people can reason their way to the truth is not an abstract exercise for him. It is the main claim
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00:09:15.740of his entire life. And there was an argument going on that he wanted to win. The other side of it was
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00:09:21.660Rousseau. Now, Rousseau had an idea called the general will, which is not the same as what, you know,
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00:09:28.620the majority happens to want. The general will is what the people would want if they were thinking
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00:09:36.620about the common good, rather than their own interests. It is a real thing out there, discoverable,
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00:09:46.460and it is the only legitimate basis for law. Which sounds wonderful, until you ask the obvious
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00:09:53.260question: who gets to say what the general will is? And Rousseau's answer is a figure he calls the
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00:09:59.100legislator, a kind of super wise outsider who perceives the common good and explains it to a
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00:10:05.500people who cannot quite see it themselves. And I want you to notice what a dangerous piece of machinery
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00:10:11.180that is, because Lex Paulson, in his history of collective intelligence, puts it blindly:
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00:10:17.340this is a mega technocrat, and the idea has underwritten authoritarian projects ever since.
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00:10:24.620If the general will is a fact, and you are the one who knows it, then people who disagree with you are
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00:10:32.700not opponents. They are just wrong. They are obstacles to the truth, and you can do things to
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00:10:39.900obstacles that you cannot do to opponents. Now, Condorcet wants the same destination, but refuses that
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00:10:47.180approach. He agrees with Rousseau that collective reason is real, and it is the legitimate basis of
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00:10:56.140authority. But he will not accept an oracle. What he wants is a procedure, something mechanical, public,
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00:11:02.380checkable, that produces the right answer without anybody having to be trusted to know it in advance.
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00:11:08.540And because he is a mathematician, when he says procedure, what it really means is
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00:11:15.420something you can calculate. So here is the question he sets himself, and it is worth stating precisely,
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00:11:21.900because, you know, the mathematics, the precision is the whole point. Now, suppose you have a group of
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00:11:29.020people, suppose there is a question with a genuine right answer, and they each give an opinion,
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00:11:35.660and you go with the majority. Now, the question is: how likely is the majority to be right?
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00:11:43.660Not, you know, is it legitimate, not do they have the right to decide, but how likely are they to be
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00:11:53.100correct? Now, nobody had asked it that way before. Okay, so let's build it from the bottom up, because
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00:12:00.220the whole thing rests on one small fact that you can check on your fingers. Picture three people deciding
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00:12:07.740something. So it's a jury of three. The question has a right answer, and they do not know it.
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00:12:15.340But they are not, you know, guessing blindly either. Say each of them, on their own, gets it right 60%
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00:12:23.260of the time. Better than a coin, but you know, not much better. Four times in ten, each one of them is wrong.
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00:12:31.580If you picked one of them at random and let them decide, you know, by themselves, you would be right 60%
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00:12:39.660of the time. So that is your baseline. Now, let all three vote and take the majority. Now, what happens?
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00:12:48.620For the majority to be right, you need at least two of the three to be right. Either all three or exactly two.
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00:12:54.700And for the majority to be wrong, you need at least two of them to be wrong at the same time.
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00:12:59.180And here is the fact that everything else in the episode
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00:13:07.260grows out of two people being wrong at the same time is rarer than one person being wrong.
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00:13:17.660Each of them is wrong four times in ten. Both of them being wrong together, if they are not influencing each other, happens 60 times in a hundred.
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00:13:23.660Being wrong is an event, and events stack up against each other.
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00:13:33.500Now, do the arithmetic, and the three-person jury is right 64.8% of the time. So almost 65%.
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00:13:39.900That is not much. If I had opened with that number, you know, you would have probably shrugged.
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00:13:47.100But look at what just happened, because the direction of change matters more than the size of that step.
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00:13:57.100Three people, each individually, let's say mediocre, arranged into a majority, are better than any one of them.
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00:14:05.580Not because they talked, not because they pulled their wisdom, but purely because for them to fail collectively,
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00:14:11.340more than one of them has to fail at the same moment, and that is harder.
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00:14:24.380Now, at people, five jurors, still 60% accurate individually, collectively, they are 68% accurate.
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00:14:26.940Nine jurors, 73.
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00:14:29.820Eleven jurors, 75.
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00:14:43.820In 101 jurors, each of them individually, no better than, you know, slightly informed amateur, each of them wronged two times in five.
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00:14:47.260The majority is right 98% of the time.
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00:14:54.460If you had a thousand and one jurors, it rounds to certainty, 100%.
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00:14:57.180That is Condorcet's result.
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00:15:00.780Take people who are individually barely adequate.
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00:15:02.220Do not train them.
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00:15:03.100Do not improve them.
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00:15:05.500Do not have them talk to each other.
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00:15:12.700Just add more of them and count and the accuracy of the group climbs towards one.
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00:15:15.180And it does not stop, right?
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00:15:16.380Climbs to certainty.
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00:15:23.980And you can feel why, if you think about what it would take for a thousand person majority to be wrong, right?
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00:15:32.700You would need 501 separate people to make a mistake in the same direction, on the same question, and at the same time.
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00:15:47.180Any individual mistake is common, but 500 simultaneous mistakes, all pointing the same way, all independent of each other, is a coincidence so absurd that it effectively never occurs.
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00:15:50.620So, the majority is not smart.
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00:15:51.580The majority is safe.
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00:15:56.780Those are different things, and the difference is going to matter here.
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00:16:02.540I want to slow down on the mechanism, because if you take one idea out of this episode,
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00:16:10.300I would like it to be this one, and it is easy to nod, you know, without really seeing this.
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00:16:13.740But picture three doctors looking at the same scan.
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00:16:17.020Each of them is right 60% of the time, right?
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00:16:18.220This is not slander.
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00:16:23.100It's roughly, you know, what diagnostic accuracy on a hard case could actually look like.
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00:16:27.980Put them in three separate rooms, so they cannot see each other's notes.
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00:16:30.220Each makes a call.
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00:16:33.740Each makes a call, and you go with two out of three.
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00:16:39.180So, for that procedure to fail, it is not enough for one of them to be wrong.
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00:16:50.220Doctors are wrong all the time, but you need two of them to be wrong on the same scan, in the same direction, and at the same moment, after having never spoken.
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00:17:01.420And that is much rarer than one of them being wrong, not because they are better than they were, but because you have changed what counts as failure.
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00:17:07.340You have moved the target from a mistake to a coincidence of mistakes.
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00:17:09.500That is the entire engine.
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00:17:12.460You know, everything else is kind of a footnote.
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00:17:16.540Now, hold that image and make the room bigger.
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00:17:20.460Five doctors, nine, 101.
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00:17:30.620With 101 doctors, failure means 51 of them going wrong together independently on the same scan.
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00:17:34.540The individual competence has not moved at all.
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00:17:43.340Every one of them is still the same sort of fallible 60% accuracy that they were at the start.
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00:17:49.100What has changed is what the failure condition has become now absurd.
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00:17:55.820This is why Condorcet's result feels like a trick the first time you meet it.
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00:18:01.500It looks as though information is being created out of nothing, but it is not, right?
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00:18:05.740Like, the information was always there, distributed across the group.
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00:18:09.58060% of it in each head.
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00:18:15.980What the majority rule does is throw away the part of each judgement that is noise.
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00:18:20.620And the more heads you have, the more thoroughly it can throw it away.
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00:18:24.620The first refinement is about how much competence you need.
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00:18:28.060And it is more interesting than, you know, it sounds.
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00:18:32.460Everything above assumed 60% accuracy.
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00:18:35.420What if your citizens are worse than that?
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00:18:38.300What if they are barely better than a coin?
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00:18:40.700Well, the mathematics still works.
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00:18:42.860It just gets expensive.
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00:18:51.500If people are right 51% of the time, 1% better than random, then a majority still converges on the truth.
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00:18:59.180But to get to that 99% confidence, you need about thirteen and a half thousand of them.
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00:19:03.740At 52%, you need about 3 and a half thousand.
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00:19:08.060At 55%, 539.
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00:19:12.140At 60%, 131.
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00:19:16.140At 70%, 31 people.
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00:19:18.780Now look at the shape of that.
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00:19:22.620Competence and numbers trade against each other.
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00:19:26.860And the exchange rate is brutal at the bottom end, right?
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00:19:29.980A barely informed public needs to be a city.
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00:19:35.580A moderate or moderately informed public needs a village hall.
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00:19:43.020Which is, you know, if you squint, an argument for mass education dressed up as an argument about probability.
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00:19:48.300And we will actually come back to that because Condorcet absolutely noticed that.
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00:19:52.700The second refinement is the three conditions.
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00:20:03.580And I want to name them explicitly because the popular version of these results usually mentions one of them, but tends to forget the other two.
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00:20:11.740Condition 1: Each person has to be better than random, better than a coin flip, however slyly.
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00:20:15.820Condition 2: They have to vote independently.
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00:20:18.460Condition 3: Their errors cannot be connected to each other.
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00:20:23.100Condition 3: And this one often gets dropped sometimes.
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00:20:25.820They have to vote sincerely.
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00:20:33.820They have to say what they actually think is true, rather than what they think will produce a good outcome.
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00:20:39.900Or what their side needs or, I don't know, what will make them look sensible afterwards.
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00:20:41.660So, three conditions.
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00:20:43.260Now, the trapdoor.
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00:20:48.780Go back to Condition 1 and try to turn it around.
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00:20:53.740What happens if people are slightly worse than random?
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00:20:57.660Not catastrophically bad, just under the line.
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00:21:02.060Let's say right 49% of the time instead of 51.
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00:21:05.020Run exactly the same arithmetic.
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00:21:12.300And now three jurors, 48.5%, slightly worse than one person.
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00:21:16.780A 101 jurors, 42%.
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00:21:20.540A 1,001, 26%.
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00:21:24.06010,001 jurors, 2%.
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00:21:28.540A 100,000 people, 0%.
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00:21:33.820Not, you know, approximately zero, but zero to four decimal places.
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00:21:45.340A public of 100,000 individually almost coin-flipping citizens voting independently and sincerely is certain to reach the wrong answer.
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00:21:51.340Now, read those two columns next to each other, because this is the thing I want to get to.
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00:21:56.860At 51% competence, 100,000 voters are certain to be right.
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00:22:03.820At 49% competence, 100,000 voters are certain to be wrong.
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00:22:10.540The gap between those two worlds is two percentage points in the ability of the average person.
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00:22:14.140And the machine does not care which side of the line you are on.
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00:22:19.420It just amplifies with exactly the same ferocity in both directions.
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00:22:25.020So Condorcet theorem is not a theorem about the wisdom of crowds.
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00:22:27.660It is a theorem about amplification.
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00:22:30.940Scale does not make a public wise.
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00:22:33.420Scale makes a public certain.
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00:22:42.940Whether it is certainly right or certainly wrong depends on a quantity sitting just under one half or just over it.
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00:22:54.220And nobody in the 240 years since he published has ever managed to measure that quantity for any real electorate or any real question.
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00:22:57.980That is the terrifying assumption.
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00:23:02.620Not independence, which, you know, we are coming to, but competence.
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00:23:10.060The theorem hands you a machine of enormous power and declines to tell you which way it is pointed.
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00:23:14.460Now, the second condition, right?
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00:23:15.180Independence.
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00:23:20.620Everything I have just shown you depends on people's mistakes being unrelated.
00:23:20.620 -->
00:23:27.260The whole engine is the improbability of 500 simultaneous errors all pointing the same way.
00:23:27.980 -->
00:23:31.100Take that improbability away and the engine stops.
00:23:31.980 -->
00:23:34.860So, what makes errors point the same way?
00:23:35.740 -->
00:23:37.900Well, someone speaking first.
00:23:38.780 -->
00:23:40.940A newspaper everybody reads.
00:23:40.940 -->
00:23:42.700A phrase that catches on.
00:23:42.700 -->
00:23:48.860A respected person committing to a position in public before the rest of us have decided.
00:23:48.860 -->
00:23:53.900A shared education that taught everyone the same wrong rule of thumb.
00:23:54.940 -->
00:23:59.580An expert consensus that is confident and mistaken.
00:23:59.580 -->
00:24:03.100Anything at all that puts the same thought into more than one head.
00:24:03.980 -->
00:24:04.620In other words, a society.
00:24:04.620 -->
00:24:06.380In other words, a society.
00:24:07.820 -->
00:24:10.940Now, let me put a number on how badly this goes.
00:24:10.940 -->
00:24:13.660Because I think the number is genuinely shocking.
00:24:14.300 -->
00:24:17.980And I did not expect it to be that bad before I worked it out.
00:24:19.660 -->
00:24:22.380Take a simple model of shared influence.
00:24:22.380 -->
00:24:25.500Most of the time, everybody reasons for themselves.
00:24:25.500 -->
00:24:32.140But some of the time, with some probability, the whole public is following a single common signal.
00:24:32.540 -->
00:24:36.700Maybe one story, one frame, one confident voice.
00:24:37.260 -->
00:24:39.340And their answers move together.
00:24:40.540 -->
00:24:44.460Call that probability the correlation.
00:24:46.460 -->
00:24:47.740Set the correlation at 30%.
00:24:48.860 -->
00:24:53.660Keep everybody at 60% competence, which was our sort of comfortable case.
00:24:54.300 -->
00:24:57.500The one where 101 jurors go to 98%.
00:25:00.140 -->
00:25:06.300101 voters now, 86.5%.
00:25:07.100 -->
00:25:09.7401,000 voters, 88%.
00:25:11.420 -->
00:25:13.420100,000, 88%.
00:25:14.060 -->
00:25:16.14010,000, 88%.
00:25:16.140 -->
00:25:17.340So it basically stops.
00:25:17.340 -->
00:25:18.940It reaches 88% and it stops.
00:25:20.460 -->
00:25:23.660It does not creep towards that certainly like before.
00:25:24.620 -->
00:25:28.460It walks up to 88% accuracy and then it sits.
00:25:30.540 -->
00:25:33.020The last 12% points are not for sale.
00:25:33.580 -->
00:25:35.180You cannot buy them with more people.
00:25:35.180 -->
00:25:41.020Because the thing that was making extra people valuable was the independence of their errors.
00:25:41.740 -->
00:25:43.660And you have spent 30% of that.
00:25:44.380 -->
00:25:46.460Even a light coupling costs you.
00:25:47.100 -->
00:25:49.980A 5% correlation, your ceiling is 98%.
00:25:51.020 -->
00:25:54.140A 10% correlation, 96%.
00:25:55.180 -->
00:26:02.380Those, you know, sound tolerable until you notice that no quantity of additional citizens will ever get you past that.
00:26:03.740 -->
00:26:07.820So here is the shape of Condorcet's results seen as a whole.
00:26:08.380 -->
00:26:15.100Democracy as an error-correcting machine works beautifully and it works on one condition,
00:26:15.100 -->
00:26:18.140which is that the citizens are not talking to each other.
00:26:19.180 -->
00:26:22.780Which brings me to the part of the story I find almost unbearable.
00:26:23.260 -->
00:26:31.740Because of all the people in the 18th century, the one who did the most to build the machinery that breaks his own assumption was Condorcet.
00:26:32.460 -->
00:26:35.980In 1792 he is elected to the national convention.
00:26:36.540 -->
00:26:42.300He is given the job of chairing the committee to write a constitution for the new republic.
00:26:44.300 -->
00:26:51.420And what he produces is, in Paulson's judgement, the most radical design for collective intelligence since ancient Athens.
00:26:52.140 -->
00:26:54.860Attempted at the scale of millions of people.
00:26:55.580 -->
00:26:59.580It is not a representative system, as we would understand it.
00:27:00.060 -->
00:27:04.220Citizens participate directly in assemblies that nest inside each other.
00:27:04.460 -->
00:27:06.460Local, then regional, then national.
00:27:07.180 -->
00:27:13.840The people who sit in the higher assemblies are not representatives and are not meant to be a wiser class of people.
00:27:13.840 -->
00:27:20.080He calls them mandate holders, delegates operating under constraint.
00:27:21.280 -->
00:27:30.960And Paulson notes that the constraints resemble those in the Iroquois or Gikuyu systems.
00:27:32.160 -->
00:27:36.400Which is not a comparison I expected to be making about a French marquise.
00:27:37.600 -->
00:27:42.320And in his speech to the convention, he goes further.
00:27:42.320 -->
00:27:47.680And he departs from Rousseau in a way that matters enormously for this episode.
00:27:47.680 -->
00:27:50.800He insists on the value of deliberation.
00:27:51.440 -->
00:27:56.880Citizens should argue publicly and form their judgements in the course of arguing.
00:27:57.440 -->
00:28:02.800He insists on the free flow of knowledge through newspapers and through scientific associations.
00:28:03.280 -->
00:28:12.240And echoing Aristotle, he says none of this work without a system of free public education for everybody.
00:28:12.320 -->
00:28:18.240Now read that list again with now the mathematics in your hands.
00:28:18.240 -->
00:28:21.680The liberation is a machine for correlating opinions.
00:28:22.240 -->
00:28:24.480That is what the liberation is for.
00:28:24.720 -->
00:28:28.840People come in with different views and live with more similar ones.
00:28:29.600 -->
00:28:34.840And if it did not do that, we would just not bother.
00:28:35.840 -->
00:28:41.040Newspapers are a machine for correlating opinions and a spectacularly efficient one.
00:28:41.200 -->
00:28:48.100The whole point of a newspaper is that a large number of people receive the same account of events on the same morning.
00:28:49.440 -->
00:28:57.440Scientific associations correlate opinions deliberately by design among exactly the people whose judgements carries most weight.
00:28:58.160 -->
00:29:02.480And mass public education is the most powerful correlating device ever invented.
00:29:02.480 -->
00:29:08.880It takes an entire generation and teaches them the same facts, the same methods, the same habits of mind.
00:29:09.680 -->
00:29:12.080When they are right, they are right together.
00:29:12.200 -->
00:29:17.440But when the curriculum is wrong, they are wrong together for a generation.
00:29:18.560 -->
00:29:28.820Condorcet spent the last years of his life fighting for the political programme that most efficiently destroys the assumption his own most famous result depends on.
00:29:29.360 -->
00:29:31.540I don't think, you know, he was being stupid.
00:29:31.660 -->
00:29:34.460I think he was doing something more interesting.
00:29:35.120 -->
00:29:39.280And to see what, you need a result he could not have had at the time.
00:29:40.240 -->
00:29:49.260In 1992, a political scientist called Krishna Ladha published a paper in the American Journal of Political Science, whose title contains the entire problem.
00:29:49.980 -->
00:29:53.580The Condorcet Jury Theorem, Free Speech and Correlated Votes.
00:29:54.420 -->
00:29:58.000Free speech in that title is the thing doing the correlation.
00:29:58.980 -->
00:30:03.420What Ladha shows is that the theorem does not simply die when votes correlate.
00:30:03.700 -->
00:30:05.560It survives, but conditionally.
00:30:05.920 -->
00:30:07.780He derives a bound.
00:30:08.440 -->
00:30:17.920Given how competent people are on average, there is a maximum average correlation the system can tolerate and still do better than its individual members.
00:30:18.340 -->
00:30:20.560And still improve as it grows.
00:30:21.300 -->
00:30:23.580Above that line, majority rule the grades.
00:30:24.200 -->
00:30:25.540Below it, you're fine.
00:30:26.840 -->
00:30:31.140Which turns the whole thing from a contradiction into something more useful.
00:30:31.800 -->
00:30:33.620Shared influence is not poison.
00:30:33.620 -->
00:30:35.060It is a budget.
00:30:35.920 -->
00:30:39.320A society can afford some amount of people listening to each other.
00:30:39.920 -->
00:30:44.960And the amount it can afford depends on how good its citizens are at judging.
00:30:46.100 -->
00:30:49.080Raise competence and you can afford more conversation.
00:30:49.880 -->
00:30:56.060That is a coherent position and it is more or less exactly the position Condorcet's political programme takes.
00:30:56.280 -->
00:31:00.100Which is educate everybody and then let them argue.
00:31:01.200 -->
00:31:07.160But notice what he could not do and what we will still cannot do.
00:31:07.540 -->
00:31:12.320To know whether a society is inside its budget, you would have to measure two things.
00:31:12.440 -->
00:31:19.200The average competence of citizens on the question at hand and the average correlation between their errors.
00:31:19.800 -->
00:31:25.280Nobody has ever measured either of those for a real electorate on a real issue.
00:31:25.840 -->
00:31:31.220Condorcet's defence of deliberation is a bet that the budget is large enough.
00:31:31.820 -->
00:31:33.220It is a reasonable bet.
00:31:33.600 -->
00:31:35.020It is not a calculation.
00:31:35.800 -->
00:31:40.060And he, of all people, would have known the difference.
00:31:41.460 -->
00:31:50.080And there is a deeper objection, which I should give you at full strength, because it's the best reason to doubt the entire edifice.
00:31:50.600 -->
00:32:00.060In 2008, the philosopher Franz Dietrich published a paper arguing that the premises of the jury theorem cannot be simultaneously justified.
00:32:00.540 -->
00:32:07.680Not that they are empirically unlikely, but that they cannot both be defended at once.
00:32:08.660 -->
00:32:12.680His argument turns on what you take probability to mean.
00:32:13.180 -->
00:32:23.960The interpretation of probability under which the competence assumption looks reasonable is not the interpretation under which the independence assumption looks reasonable.
00:32:24.960 -->
00:32:28.920And under most readings, independence has to be weakened.
00:32:30.080 -->
00:32:37.340If he is right, then the theorem has never supported democracy in the way people have been claiming it does for two centuries.
00:32:37.900 -->
00:32:41.320And the problem is not that the world fails to match the model.
00:32:41.400 -->
00:32:43.260The problem is inside the model.
00:32:44.400 -->
00:32:49.560I do not think that, you know, that just by itself ends the argument.
00:32:49.920 -->
00:32:57.080But anyone who quotes the jury theorem at you, and I include myself, you know, an hour ago, owes you that objection.
00:32:58.660 -->
00:33:02.540And I have not even mentioned the third condition, which is sincerity.
00:33:02.980 -->
00:33:09.800Everybody voting for what they believe rather than for what helps their side.
00:33:09.980 -->
00:33:14.520I invite you to hold that thought against any election you have watched in your lifetime.
00:33:15.800 -->
00:33:18.280So, what do you do with this?
00:33:18.600 -->
00:33:30.420Here is the practical residue, and it is uncomfortable, because it takes the thing we most want to believe about large-scale democracy and puts two conditions on it that nobody can check.
00:33:31.360 -->
00:33:41.460Whenever you are shown a large majority and invited to be impressed by its size, there are two questions that decide whether the size means anything at all.
00:33:42.100 -->
00:33:50.400How good are these people, on average, at judging this particular question, and how much of their errors are moving together?
00:33:52.200 -->
00:33:55.060Notice that neither question is about the number.
00:33:55.400 -->
00:34:00.040The number is the thing everybody quotes and the thing that carries the least information.
00:34:01.040 -->
00:34:02.140Take a referendum.
00:34:02.140 -->
00:34:12.040Now, one question, one national electorate, tens of millions of votes, and the result is treated as an oracle precisely because so many people spoke.
00:34:12.500 -->
00:34:15.780But a referendum is the worst case the jury theorem has.
00:34:16.420 -->
00:34:23.060The electorate has spent months inside a campaign explicitly designed to make people's errors move together.
00:34:23.900 -->
00:34:25.700That is what campaigns are, right?
00:34:26.180 -->
00:34:32.980Two well-funded operations spend a year pushing the correlation as high as they can get it.
00:34:33.600 -->
00:34:40.820And then we treat the output as though it were the independent judgement of 40 million separate minds.
00:34:41.280 -->
00:34:43.760On the mathematics, the guarantee is simply gone.
00:34:44.580 -->
00:34:50.160Not just weakened, just gone, in the sense that the theorem no longer applies and it has nothing to say.
00:34:51.180 -->
00:34:55.520The theorem's best case, on the other hand, looks nothing like an election.
00:34:56.000 -->
00:35:06.100It looks like a lot of people who do not know each other, quietly forming a view on a question where being wrong in one direction is no more tempting than being wrong in the other.
00:35:07.160 -->
00:35:08.620And then being counted.
00:35:09.420 -->
00:35:13.260It looks, in fact, like the queue in Plymouth from the last episode.
00:35:14.300 -->
00:35:15.300And that is not a coincidence.
00:35:15.740 -->
00:35:23.200Condorcet was one of the early contributors to the law of large numbers that Galton's Ox was a demonstration of.
00:35:23.700 -->
00:35:30.440Two men, a century apart, who found the same machine and wrote down the same condition for running it.
00:35:32.140 -->
00:35:35.100And now think about what we have built since.
00:35:35.560 -->
00:35:42.480Every correlating device Condorcet wanted has been constructed at a scale he could not have pictured.
00:35:43.200 -->
00:35:44.940Universal education, achieved.
00:35:45.120 -->
00:35:48.580Newspapers, superseded by something far more powerful.
00:35:49.380 -->
00:35:51.320Scientific associations, global.
00:35:51.960 -->
00:36:05.020And on top of all of that, in the last 15 years, an information architecture whose explicit optimization target is to show a large number of people the same thing at the same time.
00:36:05.020 -->
00:36:09.100And to reward them for agreeing about it in public.
00:36:10.040 -->
00:36:23.140And now, in the last few years, something with no precedent at all, a handful of very large models that a substantial fraction of the species is beginning to consult before forming a view.
00:36:23.880 -->
00:36:33.200If you want a device for driving the correlation between human errors towards one, it is difficult to improve on everybody asking the same oracle.
00:36:34.840 -->
00:36:37.180Now, I'm not saying that that is bad.
00:36:37.340 -->
00:36:38.860Ladha's point stands.
00:36:39.240 -->
00:36:40.900Correlation is a budget, not poison.
00:36:41.320 -->
00:36:44.280And a better informed public can afford more of it.
00:36:45.720 -->
00:36:48.820It might be that we are inside our budget.
00:36:49.020 -->
00:36:53.220It might be that raising competence has outrun the rise in correlation.
00:36:53.840 -->
00:36:56.240And Condorcet's bet is, you know, coming in.
00:36:56.760 -->
00:36:59.300What I'm saying is that nobody knows.
00:36:59.300 -->
00:37:11.520And that the most famous argument for trusting large numbers has a condition attached, which we have spent two centuries systematically undermining while quoting that result.
00:37:12.180 -->
00:37:15.860Which brings me back to the man in the boarding house.
00:37:16.500 -->
00:37:20.600In June 1793, the convention debates his constitution.
00:37:22.260 -->
00:37:30.840It is, by any measure, the most ambitious attempt anyone had made to build his mathematics into an actual state.
00:37:30.840 -->
00:37:33.180And the timing could hardly be worse.
00:37:33.520 -->
00:37:36.560The spring of 1793 is when the revolution turns.
00:37:37.180 -->
00:37:38.760There is a war on several fronts.
00:37:39.000 -->
00:37:40.520There is a revolt in the Vendée.
00:37:40.980 -->
00:37:42.400There is bread rationing.
00:37:42.720 -->
00:37:52.220And the convention is splitting into factions that are beginning to understand that losing an argument there will soon mean losing your head.
00:37:53.220 -->
00:37:57.640Condorcet belongs loosely to the Girondins, who are about to lose.
00:37:57.640 -->
00:38:04.360On the 2nd of June, an armed crowd surrounds the convention and the leading Girondin deputies are arrested.
00:38:05.140 -->
00:38:10.620The faction Condorcet is associated with has just been removed from politics by siege.
00:38:11.640 -->
00:38:14.300His constitution is blocked at the verge of adoption.
00:38:15.020 -->
00:38:22.880Robespierre and the Montagnards produce their own document, faster and more centralized, and push it through in a matter of weeks.
00:38:24.220 -->
00:38:32.040And Condorcet, who has just watched his colleagues taken away, does the thing that a man who genuinely believes in public reason would do.
00:38:32.400 -->
00:38:38.820He writes a pamphlet explaining why the new constitution is bad, and he arranges for it to be distributed.
00:38:39.180 -->
00:38:43.460He is denounced within days, and a warrant goes out for his arrest.
00:38:44.340 -->
00:38:51.300That is when he goes into Madame Vernet's house and starts writing about the perfectibility of the species.
00:38:52.320 -->
00:39:00.240There is a version of this story where the irony is so much, I want to resist it slightly, because I do not think he was a fool.
00:39:00.760 -->
00:39:04.760He had spent his life arguing that reason would win because it was reason.
00:39:05.760 -->
00:39:16.300What he was watching was a revolutionary assembly, following a procedure, reaching decisions by majority, and using them to kill people, including, shortly, him.
00:39:17.140 -->
00:39:27.860If you wanted a demonstration that a large group can converge with total confidence on a catastrophic answer, the terror is sitting right there in his own biography,
00:39:28.200 -->
00:39:32.960being run by his own colleagues, under voting rules he had helped design.
00:39:33.900 -->
00:39:39.980In March 1794, he leaves the house, apparently because he fears he is endangering the woman sheltering him.
00:39:40.420 -->
00:39:45.820He walks out into a country where being unrecognised is the only thing keeping him alive.
00:39:46.200 -->
00:39:54.860He is arrested at Clamart, and he is taken to a cell in Bourg-Larenne, which the revolutionaries had renamed Bourg-Egalité.
00:39:55.640 -->
00:40:01.120Two days later, on the 29th of March, he is found dead on the floor.
00:40:01.960 -->
00:40:02.520He is 50.
00:40:04.200 -->
00:40:05.780And nobody knows what killed him.
00:40:05.980 -->
00:40:12.640The most common account is poison, supplied earlier by his friend, the physician Cabanis, taken to avoid the guillotine.
00:40:13.280 -->
00:40:26.540There is a competing account in which his guards killed him on instruction because the Committee of Public Safety did not want the public spectacle of executing a famous mathematician with admirers across Europe.
00:40:27.020 -->
00:40:34.400And there is the plain possibility that a 50-year-old man, who had spent months in hiding and then walked a long way and slept rough,
00:40:34.860 -->
00:40:37.900simply died of exhaustion and illness in a cold room.
00:40:38.580 -->
00:40:40.980He was found with nothing obvious on him.
00:40:42.920 -->
00:40:46.320I have seen all three asserted confidently.
00:40:46.940 -->
00:40:50.600The honest position is that the cause of his death is unknown.
00:40:51.180 -->
00:40:55.480And I would rather leave it unknown than hand you, you know, a tidy ending.
00:40:56.460 -->
00:40:57.820The manuscript survived.
00:40:58.060 -->
00:41:00.180His widow, Sophie, published it the following year.
00:41:00.520 -->
00:41:09.140And the sketch for a historical picture of the progress of the human mind became one of the founding documents of the idea that things get better.
00:41:09.560 -->
00:41:17.980Written by a man in hiding from a state he built who died in a cell, arguing that humanity has no ceiling.
00:41:18.780 -->
00:41:21.300So here is where I want to leave you.
00:41:21.300 -->
00:41:28.640Condorcet's answer to the correlation problem, though he never phrased it that way, was education.
00:41:29.820 -->
00:41:34.480Make people better at judging and you can afford to let them talk to each other.
00:41:35.260 -->
00:41:37.280Competence buys you conversation.
00:41:38.000 -->
00:41:38.860That is the bet.
00:41:39.120 -->
00:41:41.980And the whole of his politics follows from it.
00:41:42.700 -->
00:41:47.300But the last two episodes have both ended in the same place, from opposite directions.
00:41:47.960 -->
00:41:50.760Galton's ox worked because nobody spoke.
00:41:51.340 -->
00:41:54.580Condorcet's theorem works because nobody listens.
00:41:54.580 -->
00:42:03.040And every institution we actually value, every parliament and jury and committee, peer review, public argument,
00:42:03.360 -->
00:42:09.000is built on the opposite conviction, that talking to each other makes us better.
00:42:10.180 -->
00:42:12.560But both of those cannot be simply true, right?
00:42:13.400 -->
00:42:16.080Now you might expect the next step to be an experiment.
00:42:16.220 -->
00:42:20.540Somebody puts people in a room, lets them talk, and measure what happens to their judgement.
00:42:21.240 -->
00:42:24.400That does eventually happen, and we will get there.
00:42:25.740 -->
00:42:31.780But for most of the century after Condorcet died, almost nobody thought the question needed an experiment.
00:42:32.200 -->
00:42:37.880They thought the answer was obvious, and the answer they had in mind was the opposite of his.
00:42:38.720 -->
00:42:46.720In 1841, a journalist called Charles Mackay published a long and rather gleeful catalogue of collective insanity.
00:42:47.360 -->
00:42:54.240Dutch tulip bulbs, trading for fortunes, the South Sea bubble, the Mississippi scheme, witch hunts, crusades.
00:42:54.640 -->
00:42:56.580The title is the part that everybody remembers.
00:42:57.160 -->
00:43:00.660Extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds.
00:43:02.080 -->
00:43:06.680And in 1895, a French writer called Gustave Le Bon went even further.
00:43:07.100 -->
00:43:11.780He argued that when individuals gather in a crowd, a new thing appears.
00:43:11.780 -->
00:43:20.100A single creature that is scredulous, impulsive, and capable of violence that none of its members would commit alone.
00:43:20.720 -->
00:43:24.100Here is the detail that made me stop when I found it.
00:43:24.540 -->
00:43:29.220When Le Bon wants an example of ordinary, decent people turned savage by a crowd,
00:43:29.540 -->
00:43:32.940the example he reaches for is the French Convention.
00:43:33.440 -->
00:43:39.880The same assembly that blocked Condorcet's constitution and issued the warrant and sent him into hiding.
00:43:40.280 -->
00:43:49.740Le Bon describes its most ferocious members as men who, in calmer times, would have been harmless notaries and upright magistrates,
00:43:50.180 -->
00:43:55.360and who went quietly back to being exactly that once the storm had passed.
00:43:56.320 -->
00:44:03.000So, the man who proved that a large public converges on the truth was destroyed by the institution
00:44:03.000 -->
00:44:06.920that became the textbook case for the opposite view.
00:44:07.620 -->
00:44:13.460Over the next two episodes, I want to take Mackay and Le Bon seriously, one at a time.
00:44:13.800 -->
00:44:19.320They are easy to dismiss, and Le Bon in particular writes with open contempt for the people he's describing.
00:44:19.700 -->
00:44:28.580But I think they saw something real, and I think the mathematics of the last two episodes let us say precisely what it was.
00:44:29.020 -->
00:44:33.040They were describing a crowd whose errors had stopped being independent.
00:44:33.940 -->
00:44:36.080We start with Mackay and with Tulips.
00:44:36.080 -->
00:44:38.080That is next time.
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00:44:38.860Thanks for listening.
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00:44:44.140The essay is Condorcet, 1785, and the readable part is the preliminary discourse.
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00:44:52.440Lex Paulson's History of Collective Intelligence is the opening chapter of the Routledge Handbook of Collective Intelligence for Democracy and Governance,
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00:44:54.040and it is open access.
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00:44:59.340Ladha on correlated votes is in the American Journal of Political Science, 1992.
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00:45:05.640Franz Dietrich's Objection is in Episteme in 2008, all in the notes.