631 - The cheat code for tonechasers and Brian gets heated and drops an f-bomb

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Just the two of us.
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Have I done that before?
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Every single time it's been just the two of us.
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Oh no, now I'm doing it.
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Maybe I should make some AI music to make a song for us.
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I hear it's very popular, Brian.
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That's what I should do.
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No word of a lie, I got sent a link to a Suno generated song by a listener to this show.
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I'm not gonna reveal who, because they may get hate mail afterwards.
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I mean, I think there's applications to everything, so I don't hate it.
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I just don't want to make an album and put it on Spotify.
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Right.
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And and he was just doing some experimentation with Suno.
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And he made a track that, quite honestly, if it was released 10 years ago, I would have bought.
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I was like, you kind of hit the money here.
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It was like he described somehow you nailed Eddie Vetter.
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I don't know how.
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Well, he described it as Pink Floyd meets Genesis with a touch of tears for fears.
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I'm like, I'm all over this.
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This is me.
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But is that it's a fun thing to mess with.
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I get it, man.
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I just, you know, there's certain things I'm not gonna use it for.
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Sure, you know, but is that the future of music, though?
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Is the future of music personalized music just for you?
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Man, I hate to say this.
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This is gonna like piss so many people off.
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But if you were in control of a record label and you know that record labels basically control everything, the Illuminati.
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Right.
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I mean, as far as white music you're gonna hear, then um what would you rather?
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Would you rather pay an artist to fumble their way through making a hit song and paying them a bunch of money in the process?
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Or if you're in control of this music label, would you rather the almost free route and generate it with AI somehow?
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And still get people that don't give a damn at the end of the day if it's a real person or not.
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I will qualify.
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Is the artist either Pink Floyd or the resurrection of David Bowie?
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Okay, this is I'm saying this doesn't apply to me or you.
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You know, like for example, you know, I I'm making light.
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I don't want an AI George Lynch.
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You know, I don't I don't want that.
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I want the real George Lynch hopefully sitting in front of me teaching me how to play guitar like he does.
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But that's aside the point.
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My point is I don't want to hear AI version of George Lynch.
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No.
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Um, but there are people out there that just don't care.
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A big majority of people, and that's my argument, anyways.
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And I think that if they're like, I love the second lynch mob album, I would want a follow-up exactly like that with different songs.
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But there's people on there are probably not gonna care, and then and the record companies are gonna pay George to do it.
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I mean, that's exactly what I was just thinking.
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What you know, what if you played something in Apple Music or Spotify and it went, we noticed you liked Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd.
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Here is a 10-hour playlist made entirely out of music that I've made that I think you'll enjoy based on Dark Side of the Moon.
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And we're gonna call this playlist Dark Side of the Pop Tart.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Damn, that was my band name.
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Uh another one bites the dust.
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That's my other band.
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No.
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People might might be wondering where why it seems a little empty today.
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Um I don't know.
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What oh, you mean vocally?
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Yeah, we're missing uh we're missing one of the three musketeers here.
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We are.
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We're missing Mr.
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Blake Wyland, who has gone to Chicago to eat pizza for days, he said.
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I think that's what he's saying.
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Well, I think that's one of the things he's doing there, but he's at the uh what's that event called?
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The fretboard summit.
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Fretboard Summit, thank you.
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Yeah, um my my invite must have got lost in the post, but I'm just no one invited me.
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So don't feel bad.
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Who who are we?
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Just two random pedal company.
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But to be fair, I probably wouldn't win anyway, so it's fine.
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This is very true, and me neither.
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I mean, nothing against them, it's like I have nothing to gain.
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So yeah, well, that's wrong, because what you have to gain is pounds.
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Pounds by eating pizza.
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And trust me, in the last week I have gained pounds.
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Uh so just a little off topic from the AI for a minute.
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Uh, last week it was my daughter's wedding, Bri.
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Um, we are still waiting for the official photos.
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I will share something on the screen just for you.
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Oh, look at that.
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Fantastic.
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That's there you go.
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This is great listening.
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Really see it.
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But anyway, imagine someone holding their phone up with a really bad glare.
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Um, but it was my daughter's wedding.
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Uh, I delivered a speech, and I gotta say, after uh three, four hundred episodes of podcasting, I think I can deliver a speech now.
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Did did they play AI music at their wedding?
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Yes, maybe.
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So I put a playlist to I put a playlist together of piano versions of the cure and bowie and depeche mode and joy division and new order, like Leela's favorite bands, but just piano versions, so it's kind of classy sounding.
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I'm not entirely convinced that the cure wasn't AI because it was quite modern and it was very um there wasn't a lot of dynamic range to it.
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Like the notes were being hit, but there was not a lot of like crescendos or lots of compression, yeah.
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And yeah, and the arpeggio seemed very perfect, but no one noticed because it was background music, it was just playing, and a lot of it wasn't AI.
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So here's another question.
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If you were a wedding planner and you're pledging this wedding, would you want to license that music from Depeche Mode or the cure or whatever?
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Or would you say Suno is almost free?
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And so, therefore, as the wedding planner, I'm going to use the almost free version.
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Yeah, I mean, if if you're not like so, most weddings will have one of three things live music.
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You ain't doing that with Suno.
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That's hard to do with AI.
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That's hard to do with AI.
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Uh they will have a DJ.
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Well, that could use some AI, or they'll just have these days, it's very common, Spotify playlist that's put on shuffle and stuck in the background.
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But still again, if you're a wedding player, at least in the States, you have to you have to pay for that.
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Like you can't just pull up Spotify, you have to license it.
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Yeah.
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And so that so that's my big complaint here.
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With a large group of a lot of people that would need to license music in some way, most will take the cheaper way out because capitalism does what capitalism does.
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Well, and also it it look, if you're doing a wedding, budget is everything, right?
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Yeah, you really do care.
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So if it's background music, I think that's the perfect use for AI.
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If it's not music that people are actually listening to, if it if there just needs to be something in the background.
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I I had I had zero problem other than my own artistic sensibilities and and you know, beating myself up because of them, but I had zero problem like with this playlist having AI in it.
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But but that's a real that's a real complaint among people that are not for this, is that you know there are musicians that that is trained off of, and th those people are not getting compensated.
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Much like whenever someone models a guitar amp and the manufacturer doesn't get compensated.
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I see what you're saying.
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I I mean you make a point.
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The alternative was me and my acoustasonic guitar playing the hits of David Gilmore.
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So I can see, boys don't cry.
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I want to play piano, guys.
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Yeah, uh don't knock some of Robert Smith's early work.
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No, no, I'm I'm trying to mimic you, not Robert Smith.
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Sorry.
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Well, I I feel you've done both there.
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Uh so I read another I I hate myself, Bri.
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I'm just gonna let everyone know I do genuinely hate myself because I go into every episode like we will not start this off by talking about AI, and here we are talking about AI.
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But I read an article this week that certain secondhand booksellers on various platforms have seen sales spike, and they're like, Why are we suddenly selling loads of these secondhand books?
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And it is for scan and destroy operations where AI, yeah, they just buy the book, take all the pages out of it, feed it into their AI machine, and dump the the book.
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And wow that is apparently driving the sales in secondhand books.
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I wonder if that will have the same effect eventually on music.
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I wonder, I mean, I guess it's already available on the cloud.
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So, what you're saying is I need to take my books, make a billion copies, and sell them on the secondhand market.
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I I I well, firstly, I don't think there are a billion different AI models.
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And secondly, I'm pretty sure that AI only needs to read your book once.
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If they're buying all of the secondhand books, then I just need to contribute to the secondhand market, right?
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No, Bri, you're a genius.
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I you should immediately invest in 10,000 copies of your own book and keep the stock somewhere in your house, preferably blocking I don't know, a utility cupboard, a bathroom door, something like that.
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That's the that's the play here.
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But uh yeah, I I I do find myself, and again, look, I am a human being, so I I will be hypocritical from time to time and I'll say shit and then I'll think about it and reflect on it.
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Like, am I really stealing from someone if I'm using an AI rendition of the music?
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I guess I am.
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It's different than an AI composition, right?
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It's different than when AI just makes music because I'm actually taking somebody's intellectual property.
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Well, I'm not, somebody has taken somebody's intellectual property and respun it out as a piano version.
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So that's that's kind of the reason I make the joke about the Eddie Vetter stuff, is because there's like I mentioned, I don't know, four or five episodes ago, there's old songs where I had like this cheesy guitar part, and you know, 16-year-old Brian wanted to know what that would sound like if it was a finished song.
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And I'm never gonna do anything with it, so I just did it.
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And we're gonna be able to do it.
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Well, I'm assuming uh you know, it's not at least like it's it's I just did it for me.
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Yeah.
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You know, which is interesting.
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But you know, and I get it back, and I'm like, that literally sounds like freaking Eddie Vedder singing the song.
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This is ridiculous.
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I'm guessing that Eddie never responded to the tapes and letters you sent him when you were 16.
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Dear Mr.
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Vedder, my name's Brian, and I live in Indiana.
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I'm your biggest fan.
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Yeah, I I wouldn't know.
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I'm not really allowed within several hundred feet of them.
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I don't I'm not sure.
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Was it Eddie Vedder who scaled down from a stage once?
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I think it was, you know.
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Yeah, that was at a big festival, yeah.
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Yeah, scaled down from uh from a microphone cable.
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Right.
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Wow.
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That could be a good one.
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Which is a great advertisement for microphone cables.
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Yeah, they sold a lot more of those cables.
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Um, all I'm saying is it's a good job that they didn't go down from a no, I can't mention the company.
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Uh um and it's a good job it wasn't solderless because that would have come apart too.
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That would be bad.
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This is where wireless systems fail.
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Yeah, that wouldn't have been a good advertisement, wouldn't it?
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Well, well, speaking of um uh everything.
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Sure.
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Speaking of everything, speaking of everything, let's now discuss the other subject.
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Oh, I have been taken over by AI.
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Uh I don't know, man.
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I I am struggling with it because on the one hand, I know I've got to keep up to date with this technology because the future of humanity almost certainly depends on it.
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It's like if you if you want to if you want to continue feeding your family, yeah, there's certain things you gotta do.
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Yeah.
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So I have had to embrace it, and look, you know, I'll be brutally honest.
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I've had work just literally whipped from under my feet.
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There was a time when I could have rinsed Brian for every single image.
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I'd have just been like, you want an image, Brian?
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You're paying for my time.
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That ended about a year ago.
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You know, once uh Higgsfield got good enough for for Brian to start making images that you know he could use for testing or experimentation without me, I'm only used for the really clever stuff, isn't that right, Bly?
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That's what you told me.
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That's right.
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If it involves something that's really good, that's when I call up uh another guy now.
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I I mean Richard.
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Oh, whoa, but it has genuinely destroyed my business, right?
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And it not not you, clearly, um, but uh other parts of my business have just gone and web design is changing, and I've got to pivot and use these technologies.
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On the other hand, I do kind of hate that I've spent my entire life being a bastion of taste.
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Like for me, when I was 16, I'm sure this was the same for you, Bri.
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I judged you on your music taste.
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Like, if you told yeah, yeah, if you told me that you liked Madonna, Jason Donovan and Kylie Minogue, you were relegated to the this guy knows nothing about music category.
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Whereas if you'd have come to me and said, I love the doors, Jefferson Airplane, and Hendrix, I'd have been like, Come, brother, let us talk.
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And I really judge people on that.
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And that's a personality.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, I've I don't know if I've ever done that really, other than saying, like, this person always listens to country, so they're probably more of a country musical.
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I was hugely judgmental about people's music taste when I was a teenager.
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Yeah, interesting.
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And I think it's part of trying to fit in with the cool kids.
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You know, you go through that, I want to fit in, so I'm gonna just develop some views and stick to them.
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I was never able to achieve that, so I don't know.
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Well, I I had a long coat, I smoked a cigarette, I was there, Bri for five minutes.
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I was never one of the cool kids, but I was hugely judgmental about music and like to the point where I wouldn't listen to music that I probably enjoyed because the artists were not in the oeuvre that I wanted them to be in.
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So actually, it was a stupid move.
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But as a result, I have got fairly eclectic, wide-ranging, and detailed music tastes.
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And I think the day when I realized how bad technology was was when a guy I worked with who knew nothing about music, he liked nothing better than sitting in the back of his car on the way home from a meeting singing George Michael and Madonna songs at me.
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And I'd be like, This is worse than hell.
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And he one day went, Oh, have you ripped all your music to uh MP3?
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I went, Yeah, you want, oh, let me have your entire library, and I just thought, well, I can't say no, but at the same time, I've just gifted him like my entire life's like collecting of music, and he might develop cool tastes, and I don't like him.
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But that's what AI is doing in an like massive scale, it's giving everybody bland tastes because it is drilling everything down into like the the most palatable form and giving it to everybody.
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There's a part of me that argues that everything is driven to be bland.
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Like, for example, for example, if you take what a taco uh you guys have taco bell with it, right?
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Yeah, we we definitely do.
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So even better than that, Popeyes is opening next week in Portsmouth.
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But if you look at a Taco Bell from 1985 or something, it had pizzazz, like you it stood out amongst all the other restaurants.
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Yeah.
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Now when you look at a Taco Bell, it could be a freaking Verizon building if they moved out.
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It could be a Pizza Hut, it could be literally anything.
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Because there's no there's no identity with it anymore.
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And it's not just Taco Bell, it's like everything.
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McDonald's is the same way.
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McDonald's used to have it a look, and now it's a beige freaking square building.
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Like it could be anything.
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They move out, it will be who knows what?
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Probably a laundromat.
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No one knows.
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But there's no identity there.
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And the weird thing, the reason why I bring it up is it seems like that that sentiment is transferred to everything.
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And you know why it is?
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It's because whoever owns the building, when McDonald's does move out, they can easily renovate it quickly and cheaply.
00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.519
Sure, you can rent it, but your sign must be this big.
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And and McDonald's don't care.
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They're just like, sure, if we can get in and get out, fine, whatever.
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You're right.
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I mean, that's kind of man.
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I don't want to throw anybody at the bus, but there's some of that that goes on in the guitar industry, too.
00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:07.519
A lot of it goes on in the guitar industry, and uh the phrase that has been used in this country a lot is the in shittification of everything.
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It's just everything is becoming a little bit shitter, everything is like being boiled down to the lowest form of shit that it can be, and that's what AI is gonna do.
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It's gonna like uh so again, I'll give you another example.
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I saw a client's website.
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Now, this client is a guitar company that we were going to do a lot of work for, but let's put it this way in the time it's taken them to not even release their first guitar, I've thought of, created, and released an entire pedal company.
00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:49.759
So these guys who came to me three or four years ago with this idea, for whatever reason, they've just not been able to move fast, and that's fine, that's business, but it it's super slow.
00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:55.759
I went to their website the other day just to have a little look at it, they've got a tuner on it, you know, a guitar tuner.
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Like you can plug your guitar in and play it through the speakers or whatever, and it'll it'll be a tuner.
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And I had a number of thoughts on that.
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I was like, well, one, that's pretty cool.
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Uh two, 10 years ago, that would have been a killer app to have on your website.
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Three, at no point have I ever sat there and thought, I'm playing this song, my guitar's out of tune.
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Let me just go to this one guitar company's website and use their tuner app.
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I've noticed there's a lot of different uh guitar-based entities.
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So whether it's you people that teach courses or people that have YouTube, like or I mean, like it's it's not just like guitar companies, for example, that I'm because you can vibe code so many different things now, everyone's using it to well not a lot of people are using it to do silly things that aren't needed, like make tutors in an in a web-based app on a guitar website.
00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:57.599
Like, okay, okay, but like that's not very handy for when I need a tuner often.
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No, but it's a great example of the initification of things.
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Yes.
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Every guitar company will now have a tuner on their website, and it will be vibe coded and it'll be completely useless because as you say, no one's going there, and it's right.
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I just, yeah, I feel you just wait.
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There's gonna be, if there isn't already, there might be, I don't know, but there'll be websites where you type in, I want to sound like David Gilmore from X Song, and it says, Oh, well, based on the boss tube screamer you have, set the tone control at noon and the gain at three o'clock.
00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:39.119
And like, well, not really, like, that's not at all going to get me there, but okay, I guess.
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Someone's gonna make an app that does some something.
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There already are.
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I mean, that brings up the Inspire Pro guitar, which for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, it's by a company called Enya.
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I just think of Orinoco Flow.
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I just go, Sailor, way, Sailor, but that's just me.
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Uh never knew she was related to Clan Ad either.
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There you go.
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Um, Brian.
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Do you remember the song Smooth Up Enya?
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Remember the song?
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I don't, I don't know.
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From the 80s?
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No.
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Well, I uh I was driving a car once and that song was playing, and I wrecked my car.
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That's well, I know that song.
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That song is playing.
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Brilliant.
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Anyway, um, yeah.
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The Enya Inspire Pro, Brian, is a carbon fiber electric guitar with real pickups and a real tram and real doohickeys.
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But it's good.
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Love the doohickeys.
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You've got to have the doohickeys.
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But it's got I've been looking.
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Actually, let me find how much doohickeys are on Sweetwater real quick.
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They've just gone down by no, they've gone up again.
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No, they've gone down.
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Two and a half percent tariff.
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Okay.
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Oh, and I realized I'm actually I'm actually giving, and I'm not gonna change it at any future American customers, but I'm actually giving my American customers two and a half percent discount.
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Because actually the tariff to send stuff to America right now is 12.5%.
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I thought it was 10.
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So everyone who buys an Oliver Effects pedophiles.
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It depends what day you send it.
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There is that.
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Tomorrow it may be 40.
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Who knows?
00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.599
All right, tangent upon tangent upon tangent.
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But did you know, Bri, that in Russia right now, some parts of Russia have an odd number um system for bone petrol.
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I think the title of this podcast should be the ADHD Day.
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No, I'm I'm serious.
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If it if you're in Russia, in certain parts of Russia, if your registration plate ends in an odd number, you can buy fuel on odd numbered days.
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And if your registration plate ends in an even number, you can buy fuel on even numbered days.
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That's fantastic.
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Hey, what were we talking about?
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So the Inspire Pro by Enya, a carbon fiber guitar with a built in 20 watt speaker array.
00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:46.799
It looks like it's two three and a half inch speakers in there.
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Uh and I'm not gonna lie, the video makes it sound pretty good.
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And it's it's more than that because it's also got full onboard guitar effects modeling.
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You've got options to go.
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You know, direct into headphones, just play through the inbuilt speaker, or go into an amp.
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You can go into your DAW and you know have your effects before or after a certain part, etc.
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So all kinds of clever stuff.
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But the thing that brings it into what we were discussing is it has an app that lets you choose what tones, what models you use, and it already has a built-in AI um synthesizer.
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So you just say to it, I want to sound like Brian Wompler chicken picking in a goat shed in Indiana, and it will go dialing in one tumus and a little bit of slapback.
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There you go.
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Another bit of goat.
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Just dial in some goat, man.
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Dial in some goat.
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But it made me think about this, Bri.
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Is like we we've talked about how AI will make us more lazy.
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Is part of the fun of chasing a tone the chase?
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Or do we just want to go straight to the tone?
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I think there's different types of players.
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I think some players the chase of a tone is stupid and annoying to them.
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And it's not even like a good player or a bad player.
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Like, I I know some great players like I don't care, just get out of the way so I can play.
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You know?
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And then I know some other people that like Steve I, for example, he is so into tone.
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You wouldn't like you may not know that, but he is into the precise details of what's inside the pedal.
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We should send him a pedal head and see if he can uh figure out.
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He may or may not have one already.
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So, anyways.
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So, anyways, moving on.
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.640
Um Yeah, so I think there's just different types of players.
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Some people are really into it, some people really just are into the guitar, and they'll use um uh what's his name, Jack?
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:51.759
Um White?
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:52.319
Shh.
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No, Jack used to play in the almond brothers.
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Hang on, let me look at my contacts.
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Hang on.
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Um Jack don't go anywhere.
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Don't Jack Pearson.
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Jack Pearson famously like would just use uh you know, just any old cheap guitar.
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.960
I'm like, oh this is fine, this will work.
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:13.200
Yeah, I mean we've And it sounds great, sounds great no matter what he plays.
00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:22.000
We've spoken about um uh the oh I forget the name of the guitarist from Genesis, the current guitarist, um, who's actually their bass player.
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:23.279
The really tall guy.
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.319
Phil Collins.
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No, that I have no idea.
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That that that is definitely not them.
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:39.279
Uh it is Mike Rutherford, um, brilliant player, you know, famously used to play an awesome looking bass.
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:45.680
Um, plays quite a bit of guitar with Mike and the Mechanics and with Genesis now, and just takes a squire on stage.
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It's good enough.
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You know, that's all he needs as a squire.
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He's ready to go.
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And it makes you realise that yeah, it equipment is more for the hobbyists.
00:24:55.359 --> 00:25:02.240
But this is what I'm saying the hobby is not just the playing, the hobby is everything for me.
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:14.400
Like trying to get Gilmore's tone is as much about trying to learn how to play like Gilmore as it is about trying to use pedals that are similar to Gilmore and dial them in similarly.
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:23.599
And if AI just goes, there's your Gilmore tone, do I is it a bit like having a cheat code in a computer game?
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:30.079
Like we all want to see the end level of a computer game, but when you do it via a cheat code, you miss out on all the fun of the game.
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.319
Yeah, you've seen the end level, big deal, but you've missed the whole game.
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:43.359
And If the game if the game is the sound, yes, but if the game is the songwriting, for example, it doesn't play that big of a part for some people.
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:47.359
No, no, I and I get that, but I think for me, the game is all of it.
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.079
It's the sound, it's the songwriting, it's the technique.
00:25:50.240 --> 00:26:00.160
And I feel that what AI is leading us to with these kind of tone systems that you're gonna see in all modelers that are just like, what do you want to hear?
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:09.200
I want a Leslie mic via uh SM57 through an old beer canister, and it'll go, here you go.
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:15.119
This is what it sounds like, you know, and I think we're gonna see a lot of that, and it's gonna get very dull very quickly.
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:26.160
So I so I I'm probably at somewhere a little bit different, sort of there, but for example, as everyone knows, I'm huge into like distorted dirty tones, right?
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:48.480
And it's because it's because I've thought about this, I look at it like coffee, you know, where yes, there's you can just get coffee from wherever, but some people are really into a certain bean from a certain location, that's roasted a certain way, that's glassware that's like in a chemistry set to brew one cup.
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:50.640
And so to me, like it's like coffee.
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:55.119
I that's why I love so many distortions because they're like all different flavors of coffee.
00:26:55.440 --> 00:27:11.279
And look, this is an interesting um, this is an interesting point, actually, Brian, because my closest friend who is the same guy who doesn't care for music and would happily listen to an AI generated playlist, buys Amazon basic instant coffee.
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:12.880
That's all he drinks.
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:19.759
Amazon basic he literally can't tell the difference between a good coffee and that.
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:25.920
Whereas for me, I can tell if a coffee has been ground freshly or not.
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:26.880
That's all that matters.
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:31.440
If you're making coffee, the way you make it is less important than just grinding beans.
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:38.000
Even just the the type of coffee pot, the brand, the model, like all this stuff is huge.
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.640
So my my family makes fun of me because like you can just end it there.
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:43.759
My family makes fun of me.
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:44.640
That's enough.
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:53.680
But but for one reason in this particular area, it's because I will only drink coffee from one specific coffee maker that that I insist on buying every time.
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:55.599
What what make is it, Brian?
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:56.559
It's a bun.
00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:58.319
No, that's that's the type of.
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:03.519
So it's not that it's the best, that it's it's good enough for me to get my day started.
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:04.880
I'm having a look at it now.
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:05.440
Bun, coffee.
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:06.720
And there's a bunch of different ones.
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.759
I forget the exact model.
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.079
I'd have to look it up in my Amazon bit.
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:18.400
Um Okay, so so that is from what I'm looking at, these are your basic filter drip coffee makers.
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:23.440
But it it holds water, it always holds hot water, so it makes it very quickly.
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:28.400
But also the the way and the the way that it sprays the water on the coffee makes a difference.
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.279
The temperature that it sprays on the water makes a difference.
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.640
The quality of water that you put inside of it makes a difference.
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:34.960
Yeah.
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:38.400
So like I I use just this is stupid.
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:43.440
I insist on using a certain type of water, a certain brand of water to put it in my coffee maker.
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:45.039
Use bottled water for your coffee.
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.200
Because it tastes you.
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:53.920
That well, so I'm saying, like, I I'm really not that fancy among everything else, but I am a stickler on freaking coffee.
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:59.279
Like it's it's it's Guatemalan beans, it's this brand, it's roast because it's roasted this way.
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:01.279
Wow.
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.240
Um and then and it's Guatemalan beans from Antigua.
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:04.960
That's different.
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:12.720
That's a city in so interesting because um I I mean I'm sort of there.
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.440
I have a very basic coffee maker.
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.759
It's um oh, it's uh it is a an American brand.
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.599
Um, I forget the name now.
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:22.799
If I just type in Mr.
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:24.400
Coffee, no, no, no, no.
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:25.519
It'll come up.
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:31.759
Uh but I use no, it's uh we've had that conversation, they don't exist over there.
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:38.400
Um god, it's a really simple make, like I forget what it is.
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.079
Okay, so in art it is.
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:40.720
Quizzing art.
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:41.359
That's okay.
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:42.079
Yeah, I got you.
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:49.279
And it's a very simple, you put coffee beans into the grinder, it grinds them and it pumps its water up.
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:57.039
It's got a little filter element in it, so it's got a carbon fiber, uh, carbon fiber, carbon filter, so it filters the water a little bit, right?
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.200
Uh, and it just drips it in.
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:00.720
It's just a regular coffee machine.
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:05.039
No, no, like like fluff, none of that.
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.039
And it makes a really, very good carp of coffee.
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.240
And I just have the same beans delivered by Amazon, funnily enough.
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:11.440
I get the same beans as well.
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.599
Yeah, just every every month I have the same beans.
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.559
In fact, I have a really big problem because my normal beans are out of stock.
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.799
Well, mine's doubled in price.
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:20.400
They're more expensive, too.
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:27.039
But I'm frantically trying to find Antigua Guatemalan beans with the same roast that are similar to what I've been drinking.
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.759
Sounds like a business opportunity for the Oliver.
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:31.920
I mean, do you live in Antigua?
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.920
No, but I would very easily be able to fake you a label that says I do.
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.119
It's a beautiful city if you want to move and make some coffee for me.
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:46.400
But again, you know, we we each have our coffee preferences, they're not a million miles away from each other.
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.799
Like that, they are consistent.
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.319
We we both like it a certain way, and it's not particularly fancy.
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.319
Like I say, I've seen people making coffee using chemistry equipment.
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:02.640
You know, people I would totally, if I had the extra time, like if I was awake enough in the morning, I would totally do something different.
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:03.599
Absolutely, 100%.
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:15.440
And and you know, I went for a phase of spending a fortune at Starbucks because we've got one a mile away, and you know, it was like uh which I would argue is not that great a coffee, but it's convenient.
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:16.799
Well, yeah.
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:25.200
Uh and also compared to the coffee, like the coffee we grew up in this country on was all instant, disgusting coffee.
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:25.680
What?
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.480
Yeah, I haven't drink instant coffee since I was probably five.
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.960
I was probably about 20 when I gave up.
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:35.039
I mean, I still have to have it from time to time in offices where that's all they've got.
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.240
We should pause for a second in case you're just joining the conversation.
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:44.000
We're analogizing coffee with distortion, in case you're wondering.
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.720
Uh but um I've I've lost the plot now.
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:49.920
I don't know where I've gone.
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:56.880
So you were talking about how um, you know, you used to drink instant coffee, but you now have a certain type of coffee pot.
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:02.000
So the most important thing for me is freshly ground beans.
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.839
Now it seems one of the most important things for you is is the water.
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.440
I've never tried Well, the it has to be it has to be fresh ground too.
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.039
That's just kind of a given to me.
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:11.279
Yeah.
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:11.680
Yeah.
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:19.039
I mean, that I think that's the biggest upgrade you can make to your morning Joe is make sure you just grind the beans fresh every time.
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:20.960
Everything else, forget about it.
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:29.440
And in the same way, I think when dealing with distortion overdrive pedals, there's certain things that you want to do if you want it to be a certain way.
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:41.680
Which is why, like, for example, while I think a lot of pedals on the market do just fine, for my particular purposes, I am so finicky that I prefer to make my own.
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.359
Which is how I got started because I I didn't like what was available.
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:46.319
I was making them for me.
00:32:46.559 --> 00:33:04.799
And actually, although I make a joke about uh, you know, the the origins of Oliver effects and all that, it's also how I got started because I was looking for a muff style fuzz that didn't get oversaturated, that I could use for any solo ever, and it still sounded articulate.
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.000
And when I found it, I was like, everyone else needs to hear this.
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.440
Uh, but yeah, I'm glad to hear that you only use bottled water when you make your distortion pedals.
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:14.000
That's really important.
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.519
Yes, bottled water with distortion pedals is the way to go.
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:19.599
It's it's what stills in the tone.
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:28.640
This does bring me on to uh conveniently another point, um, which is I had that pedal moment in this last week.
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:29.759
Now I mentioned this on the Patreon.
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.119
That was last week, yes.
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.839
But but this one's a slightly different one, Brian, right?
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:40.559
Because I mentioned this on the Patreon, which we recorded on Saturday, and today is Tuesday as we record this.
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.279
So apologies if you're gonna hear this twice.
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:52.160
But one of the early uh purchasers of the Purple on Fuzz was our good friend Paul Cudderford, who plays the Boomtown Rats.
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.000
He was on the podcast a few years ago.
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.039
He was, uh, and he we should get him on again, actually, because he's done some amazing things since then.
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:01.279
Check this out, Brian.
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.440
I I had this exact conversation with Blake.
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.519
So let's see how it goes with you.
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.960
Name one of the biggest American bands still touring.
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:12.800
Lynch Bob.
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.920
Number two biggest American band.
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.639
Like, if I said to you Garth, okay, I'm gonna narrow it down.
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.800
Biggest American hair soft rock band.
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.400
Hair, soft rock band?
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.599
Give me some examples.
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:28.800
Uh uh, okay.
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:30.400
Um hair, soft rock band.
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:31.840
What the hell does that even mean?
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.440
Like very famous chart success.
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:36.559
Like poison?
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.960
Like poison, but bigger.
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:40.800
Motley Crue?
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:42.800
Like Motley Crue, but bigger.
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:43.920
Guns and Roses.
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.039
Like Guns and Roses, arguably not bigger.
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:48.480
But on a on a pile.
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:50.880
I don't follow this enough.
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:51.280
I don't know.
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:52.800
I'm gonna give you a clue, Bri.
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:54.320
You're halfway there.
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:56.960
Bon Jovi.
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.480
Bon Jovi, right?
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.760
Now, would you argue with me that they're one of the biggest touring?
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.719
Our good friend Phil X plays for Bon Jovi, I think.
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.599
And you know, Richie Sambora was an amazing guitar player.
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.000
Um some of the greatest tones committed to record, okay?
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:14.400
Yeah.
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.320
Boomtown Rats with Paul Cutterford are opening for flipping Bon Jovi.
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:19.360
That's awesome.
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:25.039
When I saw that, I was like, uh and we were casually chatting, and he went, Oh, yeah, that reminds me.
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:26.960
I was playing the purple on Fuzz the other day.
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.199
He said the guitarist from Madness heard it.
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:30.000
I was like, what?
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:31.679
And he's like, Yeah, he thought it was really good.
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:38.880
He said, Also, uh, we're at a festival and and feeder were there, and they all loved my tone, dude, and it was all through your pedal.
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.599
I'm like, dude, in my band, we cover a feeder song.
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.679
We do Buck Rogers, which is one of their songs.
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.760
Dude, this is how mind-blowing is this, Brian.
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.440
So it's oh, it's fantastic, especially when it happens.
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:58.000
Like when it happens and it's never happened before, literally, it literally makes you weak.
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:59.039
For absolutely for sure.
00:35:59.280 --> 00:35:59.519
A hundred.
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:07.360
I I distinctly remember like the first big name artists, and then I was just like, oh my god, I can't believe they're using my stuff.
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.039
Um, but I would argue this.
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.280
You know how you've seen memes on the internet about, oh, I will pay you in exposure bucks.
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:13.920
Yep.
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:15.840
This is how business works.
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:22.079
If you get a free pedal on someone's board who goes to these festivals, oh I see.
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.079
Oh, I see where this is going, Brian.
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.000
And people like it, you're going to be exposed to all these different artists.
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.920
And then they're going to do interviews and they're going to do rig rundowns.
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.159
And that's part of the marketing.
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.119
So, yes, exposure bucks is a fucking real thing.
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:40.000
It is.
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.800
Oh, we're now going to have to mark this as an explicit episode.
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:43.519
Um, sorry.
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:44.960
But Brian has the sweats.
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:46.559
That is that is a passionate point.
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:47.599
But it is a passionate.
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.360
I do not like the idea where people argue about exposure bucks.
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:52.800
No, exposure bucks are real.
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:54.559
Smart exposure bucks are good.
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:55.679
No, they are.
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:58.159
Look, I've already spent some, you know.
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.880
I sent a pedal off to Tom Quayle.
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.960
Uh, I couldn't afford to pay him any cash.
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:06.320
And I said, look, dude, uh, here's my pedal.
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.039
Can you just do me like a couple of minute demo?
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:10.159
Please, please.
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.599
And he was like, Of course.
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.920
And he did like a 10-minute wonder demo.
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:15.599
I was like, dude, that's amazing.
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.159
I was like, after the episode we did, you like, you should send one to Dan and Mick.
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:26.559
I was like, I should, but I know how busy those guys are, and it may not even get on there, but hey, what have I got to lose?
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.800
And I sent them one and forgot about it almost.
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:29.119
Yeah.
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.639
And then suddenly my phone's blowing up and it's all over the internet.
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.159
And you know, it it's moved a couple, could do with moving a few more if anyone's thinking about buying it.
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.320
Well, but keep in mind that's that's an evergreen video.
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:43.920
So who the hell knows what's going to happen for the next three years, five years, ten years?
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:45.360
Exactly that.
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:55.039
Um, and you can't beat it, but it it I really wanted to just share the moment with you because I know you've had that same moment.
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.880
I know you've had that kind of he's using my stuff.
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:00.719
And I knew Paul had bought one.
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.440
And and look, Paul is an absolute gent and a true friend, and so much sober.
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:14.239
I probably shouldn't tell you this, but I gave him my own personal black 65, and we don't have any more black 65s, so I kind of screwed myself.
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.920
But he was using it on a tour, and I was like, you need this pedal, dude.
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.400
He's real see that now that floors me.
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.000
What is he using that for?
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:28.719
Um I will find out whether he's still using it and what he was using it for for you.
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:43.039
Because to me, like it's you know, keep in mind we designed that in like 2014 or something, but that was super handy to have in case like you needed some sort of direct, um, you know, direct path into some sort of cabinet simulator.
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:44.639
He was not using it like that.
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:56.960
I think he was using it more as a kind of uh like I'm gonna say gain polisher, you know, just kind of like add a little bit more grit and texture before the gain kicks.
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:02.239
Another thing I like to do with that is use it as a preamp into a uh effects uh effects return.
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.119
Yeah, you know.
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:09.360
Oh, I wonder if that wonder if that will work with I've said too much.
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:17.039
Um, but so he's a like I say, good friend, real gentleman, bought one of my pedals straight away, really just to support me.
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:23.679
Like he'd never heard it or anything, and he's using it like live with one of the biggest post-punk bands.
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:30.079
Okay, you know, arguably he has come in late in the day to this band and they're past their peak.
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:33.519
That doesn't matter, they're touring with frickin' Bon Jovi.
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:38.719
Uh, but um yeah, it's uh unreal, Brian.
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:39.840
I have another point to make.
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.320
Two two very quick points to make.
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:50.320
One, if you're an artist and your name begins with Lil, I'm not listening to you unless it's Lily Allen.
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.599
If your name is Lil Wayne, Lil Wayne, yeah.
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.119
Yeah, Lil Brian, Lil Blake, forget it.
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:58.639
I have never seen an artist.
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.079
Can you trust someone that can't even be bothered to spell little?
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:05.280
I don't think you can, Brian.
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.599
I think that is a marker right there.
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.679
Um I mean, it's it's only a few more letters, just spell it out.
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:13.519
Use an apostrophe as well.
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:14.159
Come on.
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:19.039
Uh so I'm not happy with anyone that uses Lil as their prefix.
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:25.199
I you know, that's I of course I'm familiar with Lil Wayne, but I have never heard any music that I would recognize.
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.639
I don't think it's not my thing, there's not much distortion in that.
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:30.480
So not enough, certainly.
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:38.559
Um the next thing, Floyd Rose have put out a limited edition paisley etched trim.
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.360
And Bri Paisley etched trim.
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:49.760
So it's got like the paisley symbols in like white and black on the uh etched into the metal, okay.
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.960
And then etched into the metal is the paisley pattern.
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:54.000
That's interesting.
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:54.880
That looks cool, man.
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:56.880
Beautiful trim unit.
00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:58.800
I want that badly.
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.119
Just a cure out of curiosity.
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:02.800
Well, actually, a couple of curiosities.
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.159
One, is anyone offering this service on the side?
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:12.639
Like let's say they have you know a CNC machine or something, and maybe I want Wampler emblems all over my Tremolo.
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:13.199
Yes.
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.400
Yes.
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:15.679
That's one question.
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.519
Uh, another question is what other things besides Paisley do they do any other designs?
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:22.719
Not that I know.
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:34.320
Um, this is the first time I've ever seen a custom-etched because Brad Paisley doesn't really use many not known as the king of the wham, the whammy bar, is he?
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:34.559
Yeah.
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.559
But it you know, it doesn't matter.
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:48.800
This thing looks hot, and I think this is your excuse to start building a kind of super strat country fied guitar as a project.
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:53.360
Like Paisley strat body, but humbucker pickups.
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.119
Um, I don't like locking Floyd's on on strats.
00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:59.920
I think this podcast has just ended here.
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.960
Well, I mean, because to me it belongs on a different guitar.
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:04.559
Like, for example, I got Ivanes.
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:05.679
Yeah, Superstrat.
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:06.719
It works true for that.
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:07.039
Yeah.
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.719
Um, my super strat, which is the one I broke the neck on a while back, it does not.
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.400
It has a standard tremolo on it.
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:13.920
That doesn't qualify.
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:19.440
But the um so the Sinister Gates uh Schechter, that's got a locking trim.
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:20.079
It's fantastic.
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:21.679
Yeah, fantastic guitar.
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:22.719
What else do I have?
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.840
I'm trying to I think that's the only thing I have with a locking trim.
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.880
I'm really gutted I never got one of those Sinister Gates guitars.
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.800
I want like a Jackson that's neon that takes me back to when I was a kid, man.
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:33.599
Yeah, me too.
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:40.239
Uh oh, dude, I've posted something on the um Wampler um uh social media feeds this week.
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.239
It was a Jackson that our good friend Ben Carlin spotted in a shop.
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:50.639
Oh it's a beautiful green body and a beautiful green back neck.
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:57.519
And what's nice about it, it's kind of sandwiched the green in between the headstock finish, and it just looks so good.
00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:58.559
I'm still there, dude.
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:03.760
But I think I think you need to make a neon pink paisley like spiky guitar.
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:05.760
I think that's a project for you waiting to happen, bro.
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.199
You're you mean to build a guitar?
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:08.079
Yeah, yeah, build a guitar.
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.119
That is not happening.
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:12.480
Last point for today.
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.159
I am and this is because I am that is one thing I'm terrible at.
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:16.719
Rubbish.
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.559
I am terrible at setting up guitars.
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:19.280
Rubbish.
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:20.880
I know.
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.559
And this is coming from a guy that like used to build cabinets and instrument houses.
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:26.639
Yeah, you can build a house.
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.360
But I'm like, uh, I don't know.
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:37.599
I every time I hand my guitar to the guy that works on my guitars, I'm like, I don't know how I screwed this up so bad, but somehow I've completely messed this whole thing.
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.880
Somehow all of the frets on this are at different heights.
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.239
I don't know how I've done it, but please fix it.
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.360
Um ever invented a multi-height fret guitar?
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.480
Oh, that's another invention for Wompl Oliver.
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:56.239
I like frets that you can raise up and down.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.679
You know, you've got like a little kind of crank.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.199
Candle at the size, or even just like uh uh you know, a digital digital button, you know, just lowers.
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.719
I mean, I'm not being funny, imagine that, right?
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.480
Wow, that would be so cool, right?
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:13.599
That's what I'm saying.
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:27.360
Yes, last subject for today involves one of our wonderful patrons because I caught uh an article in Premier Guitar about Grez guitars, uh, and Barry is a patron, and thank you, Barry.
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.440
We appreciate that, and uh it it's had a number of effects.
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:37.679
One, it's made me realize I really do like the work he does, and I I've been a fan of his guitars for a while.
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.519
He is a master, yes.
00:44:39.760 --> 00:45:00.559
And two, it's made me realise I need one of his base sixes because I've been after a base six for a while, and someone did once mention to me, I know names mentioned Blake Wyland, that Grez guitars may make a good one, but I never really looked at it, and so I was reading this article, and it was more about how he'd become famous for like bass guitars recently and like moved over to that.
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.760
I was like, interesting, and then I saw it, Bri.
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:09.760
I saw this lovely uh basics looking uh Grez guitar.
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:11.599
I'm like, yes, I need one.
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.960
So, Barry, we're gonna have to talk about that, I'm afraid.
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:16.559
Um, but kudos to him.
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.840
He's what I didn't realize is he came from apogee interfaces or software, I guess.
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:22.639
I didn't know that.
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:24.480
So he's been in the industry a long time.
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:32.800
He's a I'm gonna say he's a bit of a genius, and he could probably invent us our self-leveling fret system that we're gonna say.
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.880
I was gonna say, has he thought about making frets move up and down on the frontboard?
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.280
Barry, if you're listening to this, talk to me.
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.119
Let's do a licensing deal.
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:42.400
Me, you, and Brian.
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.679
I came up with the idea what you could license off me.
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:51.840
Yeah, I mean, it'll be a standard Brian license, which is 90% to Brian and 10% to Brian.
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.760
But other than that, right.
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.440
Brian's very fair in business listeners.
00:45:57.519 --> 00:45:59.519
I'm just ripping him for the lolz.
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:00.880
But I'm seriously impressed with you.
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:02.559
I'm known to be the shyster.
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:05.920
You know, that's that's that's my personality.
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:07.920
It really isn't, Bri.
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:09.360
I wish more people were like you.
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:15.760
Right, we're running out of time, so I'm going to say a huge thank you to all of our executive producers, Bri.
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Is that all right?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so big thanks to Bill Bays, Andrew Atkins, David Tyndall, Dave Trombetti, Eric Wilson, Vidar Frost, and Michael Freer, Sean Arbo of Gun Street Wiring, Rick Calhoun of Honeypick, some awesome new picks uh that I've seen on their website.
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I'm just saying.
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Patrice Fournays, Dylan Talks Tone, who is on the tone mob this week, I believe, or next week, or whenever.
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Uh, Missouri Electrical Box Company, Kevin Harrington, Barry from Grez Guitars, maker of the finest bass six this planet has ever seen.
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Tom Kelly, Jake Young of the Man the Helm podcast.
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Uh Pigsy, John O'Neill, Robert Carr, Hunter Hudson, uh Robbie Stokes, Nikki Spano, uh, Sasha Sir, Jay Stratton, Harry Post.
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That's Jay Stratton of the Hitchhikers.
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Harry Post, Grumpy Mike, Harvey Pedles, Allison Carroll, Bum Lazery, Anthony Steve.
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Someone's putting Y's on all of these.
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Atta plays guitar, Philip Carter of the 40W podcast.
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We love you, bro.
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Christopher Logan, Jason Engelhart, Dylan Lewis of Leeward Sound, Josh, James Thompson, Colin Littlejohn.
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He's got a cool channel.
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He does some cool stuff.
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Uh Michete of Odin, Derek Lyons, Darth Bagel, Dustin Romero, the Wizard of Waz, Crappy Tom, Bud Cole, Sentient Ponytail.
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I enjoyed our conversation about that last week.
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DJ Farns, Kyle Viana, Robert Hahn.
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You changed that too.
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John Hill, Nickel.
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Okay.
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Kyle Ray, your face.
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Dave, Evangelista of the Guitar Dads podcast.
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Roxy Gwynn already had a why in it.
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Derek Howe, Churchill of Cam Girls, plus Rossi Edwards, and William E.
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Pricey.
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Uh, you are all wonderful people, except Brian Wompler, who's double wonderful.
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All right.
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We'll talk to you next week.
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Bye.
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Thanks for listening to the Chasing Tone Podcast.
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If you have any comments, questions, or concerns, shoot me an email at podcast at womplerpedals.com and I'll personally get your email.
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You can reach Blake at infotonemob.com.
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Thanks again.
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We'll talk to you next week.