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Hello there, welcome to the ned Palty.
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Hi.
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This is Nick and Ostasium, lead editor and writer on
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mal Shadow Lord, and you're listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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Hello, and welcome to the library section of Aggressive Negotiations,
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the Star Wars podcast on the Nerd Party Network that
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strives to expand your reading horizons and remind you that
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Jedi reading is fundamental. I'm one of your hosts, Jedi
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Master John Mills, and I'm joined with the erudite scholar
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of the Jedi, Jedi Master, Matthew Rushing. Matt, are you
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prepared to discuss an exciting surprise topic here on Aggressive Negotiations?
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Oh?
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Yeah, sorry, John, I was just trying to be really
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quiet because the Jedi librarian just told me to shut
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up a few minutes ago, so sorry about that. But yeah,
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I'm actually really really excited to talk about this. Do
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you think we could find maybe a room where we
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could talk a little bit louder for our listeners.
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I'm glad you asked, Matt, because I don't want to
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balance this show and editing anymore than I have to.
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So we will start talking at normal volume now, and
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you know what, you can start leaving us reviews at
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for at join nerd Party on Twitter and the Nerd
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Party on Facebook and Instagram. And I'll give you a
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little tease here. I downloaded TikTok the other day because
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my daughters send me so many things on TikTok that
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I figured I might as well have the app to
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make it easier to open them. But that doesn't mean
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I'm going to post anything anyway, Matt. This is just
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a random sort of thing. I was in a bookstore
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the other day. I know, knock me over with a feather.
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They reopened a Barnes and Noble near where I hang out.
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Totally mind blowing is I was like, wait, there's a
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new Barnes. What so, whoever's in charge of that chain,
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bravo to you. You figured out how to bring it
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back from the dead. Now, whoever owns borders get to work.
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So I'm in Barnes and Noble, and what do you
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do you walk into a bookstore? What is a section
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that you're inevitably going to gravitate over toward I know
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you go to one of the same sections I do,
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and drum roll.
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Please it is the sci fi section.
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Yes, because you're looking under s four what Star Wars
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books are there? Thank you very much. It's a compulsion.
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You can't help yourself, right, Sure, you have to. You
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have to gravitate on over there. And it was really
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interesting because one Sunday after church, we go over there
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and we're hanging out. I gravitate over toward the Star
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Wars section and I wind up embarrassing my kids because
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I strike up a conversation accidentally with this woman who's
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there with her husband and kid, and we just started
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talking about Star Wars books. And she, you know, most
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of the world is a little younger than me, I guess,
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and you know, we start talking about she he hasn't
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read Kenoby by John Jackson Miller. And she's sitting there
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She's like, is that a good one? I was like, oh, yeah,
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John Jackson Miller. I'm like, look for that name. He's
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good writer, you know, especially in franchise work. He's great.
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And I mentioned as Batman books that he's also written
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that are really good, Batman Resurrection and Batman Revolution, highly
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recommend them everybody anyway. So I'm like, oh, yeah, Canoby's good.
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And we start talking about the Star Wars books and
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I realize as I'm looking at the books on the shelf,
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everything's got legends on it. There's like one or two
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High Republic books on there, and then there's like Mask
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of Fears on there, but almost everything is legends. And
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so my question to you is, is Star Wars publishing
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in trouble? Like? Am I blind to an issue with
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Star Wars publishing? Why am I not seeing new Star
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Wars books set in prequel era or even an original
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trilogy era in this new canon? What am I missing?
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What's the whole here? Or is this simply because I
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happen to look at the bookshelf at the wrong time.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good question, And
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a big part of that is is you know, you're
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you're not wrong. There are not a lot of books
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that are coming out at the moment, and they're they're
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they're kind of few and far between.
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You know, in what's coming out, you know, you maybe
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get one or two a year, I think it most
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High Republic came out and and and did it finished,
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except for a small segment of fans which they liked it.
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big swing, right. They put a lot behind that, and
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when it did not do what they had hoped, I
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think they were kind of left a little bit high
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and dry.
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you've you've got the Dark Times series with like starting
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with Mask of Fear, as you mentioned, where we're telling
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stories for Man Mathma and Belle Organa and saw Guerera
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and you know, filling in the stuff that you didn't
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see for and Or Right, there's a lot there still
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for them, especially those early years that we don't know
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tons about. And then you know, like this year, this
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month actually at the end of this month as we're recording,
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is July, there's a book called Star Wars Legacy that's
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coming out, which is set between the Last Jedi and
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the Rise of Skywalker, and it's all about Lea and
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Ray training together. I mean, they did just put out
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and it's coming out. I have the review copy of this,
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and it's one I would ilokremen because it's great, because
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all the art of books are so wonderful. But they
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did the two seasons for and Or beautiful book and
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really well done, some amazing insights. And you know, whether
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you liked the show or not, the production value for
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that was bar No, the production.
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Value is tough. Not so yeah, I know the art
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of yeah, and the art of like you're saying, the
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art of books always do incredibly well with presenting, you know,
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the process with that. And I think anybody, regardless of
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what they think of the and Or series, you know,
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both seasons, would recognize the production quality on the show
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is insane. Yeah, Like it's really They obviously spared no
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expense in building that show. But I mean, I guess
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the larger thing is is I guess the philosophical question
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I would put out there is has the publishing arm
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of Star Wars lost sight of the fact that the
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way that you retain your active fan base is your
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cranking these out like the pulp novels that inspired Lucas,
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I mean, the salad days of the nineties. Listen, I'm
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going to preface this by saying, and I've said it
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many times, when Disney came forward before The Force Awakens
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and said they were throwing out the old expanded Universe,
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you can bear witness to this. Matt. My reaction was, Oh,
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thank god, I was so overburned with all of that stuff.
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I was so happy they were doing that.
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That is absolutely how you felt. I remember, and I
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am the conversations.
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I am not going to issue statements of whether in
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retrospect it was as good a decision as I think
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they thought it was right. That's immaterial. I think that
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I enjoyed coming up in the nineties, when it seemed
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that after they had success with the Zoon trilogy, they said,
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oh wow, we've got something here, and it felt like
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there was a new book coming out every six months.
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of them were good that it was it kept you,
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it kept you going back. Okay, it's eight bucks, it's
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seven bucks, Sure, whatever, I'll spend it. It's a couple
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of weeks of entertainment for me because I'm a slow reader.
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But have they lost sight of that? Do you think
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that's the issue, is that they're two in their heads,
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and they're not just cranking it out and just saying,
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forget trying to make an eight plus each time. Your
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batting average is what you got to go for, not
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a home run each time.
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I mean, I just think that this is the thing.
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Like and Star Trek books struggled the same way in
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that sense, when you know the show was on the air,
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to write books that didn't cocked or dicked anything was
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really difficult because the show's doing written. You don't know
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what's going to happen, you don't know where you're going right,
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and you know, the publishing arm had such a boom
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in the nineties because nobody thought more Star Wars was coming.
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They pretty much had free reign. There were some rules
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that Lucas had laid down about different things. You know,
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you couldn't tell a story about Yoda. You couldn't do
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this with these characters. You know, nobody could die until
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you know, famously with the New Jedi Order. Then you
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needed somebody to kill, and they decided on Chewy, and
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Lucas okayed it, you know, so or he came in
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and stepped in in that series and said, hey, I
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need you to kill Anakin solo because we're about to
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do the prequels and I don't want there being too
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competing Anakins. So that's the reason that character guide instead
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of his brother Jason, which you know that does not
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turn out well for that run of books anyway, because
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Jason turns into be a huge tool. That's not the
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point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to
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make is is that which?
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But let me interject that feels really like Anakin could
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have done his grandfather's service by sort of repeating that.
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But hey, yeah, exactly. But I think think, yeah, it
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really is this thing where they're so afraid not to
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touch on anything that it's hard to tell important stories,
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you know. I mean, I think, you know, some of
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our favorite books obviously were the throng books that Zoon
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did and the way he was able to tie all
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that together. You know, there were some other books in
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the series earlier that I really liked. But it feels like,
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and this might be the thing. And I don't know
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it's because you know, they're still so active in that
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time period, but there are stories that seems like in
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the prequel era to tell, and even again even before
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the prequel era right in the sense of why can't
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you go back and tell the Obi Wan story? You know,
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like that seems to be the place where we're missing
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free reign, where it's like, you know, you have Filonian
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charge now of Lucasfilm Creative and and and this the
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co CEO of the company, and so he could easily
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tell publishing, hey, you can play in this part of
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the galaxy, and these are the if they're you, you
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have to run every story the idea buy me. But
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as long as I okay it, it's fine, man, and
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just go play with it. And until I say no, yeah,
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enjoy yourselves. You know, I don't understand why we're not
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doing that, because it feels like they keep trying to
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tell stories in places where it's difficult for them to
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get the okay to actually tell a good story there.
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I mean so that I don't know, man, it is
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a strange thing because like when we did that the
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the Clone War saves the you know, helped save Star Wars.
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I publishing I think helped save Star Wars in the
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sense that it kept it alive for fans and fan
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you know, people of this generation don't understand what it
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was like to go into the bookstore and see that
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there was a New Star Wars book there and realize
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that could be the only New Star Wars you ever get.
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Well, I can say that, and this will be a
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terrible way to put it, and people might groan, But
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sometimes the publishing could be the methodone to your heroin addiction,
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because you know you're like, okay, well I can't get
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the real thing, so okay, I'll ride this out. But additionally,
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I want to go back to something you said where
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it's like, oh, it's hard to tell an important story.
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The stuff in the nineties and even the two thousands,
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when they were playing in the prequel era, they didn't
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worry about the whether it was an important story or not.
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It was just about producing a story. You look at
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the tales of the Empire or tales of the Bounty
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Hunters series. None of those stories were particularly important. Yeah,
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they were just there and it was just to keep
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the franchise alive. And I think it what they're sleeping
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on is there is a tremendous opportunity with the Mando
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series telling side characters. You could have a Grief Cargo series,
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you can have a Karen Done series. You could have
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whatever you wanted. You know what, you don't get to
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make Rangers of the New Republic. Turn it into a
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book series. Yeah, throw it out there. Do the book
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series thing. Have that do some of the lifting for
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series is going right and the stories that he wants
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to tell and how it all connects. In that sense,
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certain stories without worrying about stepping on the toes of
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anything that is planned on coming up right, even in
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it if it's in his mind as like a ten
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series this year because I haven't read it since it
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the end of the Legends era and enjoy it. And
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New Jedi Order, and for the most part, most of
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the books have held up and I've enjoyed reading them.
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to be popular. There's enough of them out there for
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them to be popular, and they obviously still make enough
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money that they are, you know, putting them out with
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a new cover, you know, and because they've been redoing
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the mass market papermacs, which nobody buys anymore. Everything's trade
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paperback now, and so they, you know, have a reason
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for people to come and pick them up again. And
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so I don't know, man, it does go to show though,
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you know, those those books that really stuck with fans,
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then it's interesting to see them still stick with fans now.
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about continuity because first and foremost there were problems with
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original EU continuity all over the place. It was one
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of the things that got tiring for me, was carrying
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one way or the other. But like you know, even
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when continuity got over written by something on screen, that's
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what people really need to just step back from. Because
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the Zon trilogy, Spardy Cylinders. I look those up, kids,
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the Mandalorians, or the history of the Jedi or anything
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even number of things, and then you bring in you've
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going on the legacy of the Force and everything. My
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whole thing is, I've been rereading the graphic novels or
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the graphic trade paperbacks, the collection, the series collections and
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stuff like that, and it's fascinating to me because there
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are so many great ideas just in those that you
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could mine. And I'll tell you a Star Wars legacy,
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which was its own series.
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Comics, and it kills me because what they've done on
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screen means that they can't possibly really adapt it unless
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they go back and ret on the idea that Luke
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had a kid we didn't know about by the time
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we met Red and it's like that that's a little heartbreaking,
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but you know what, you could still work, although they'll
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never work in Mara Jade, because it seems like Lucas
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that was the one thing he dug his heels in.
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He seemed to really hate her, and.
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I maybe we need to look up if his heart
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was broken by a Redhead at some point in the past.
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Mara J to a brunette, we can get her through
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the process. Here, let's let's discuss this, you know that
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sort of thing. But you know, Matt, if people want
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to discuss any other type of hair color that mar
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Where could they find you online?
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Well, you can find me all over the place on
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social media and the named Matt Rushing zero two here
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in the network did a show called Outposts about every
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single chapter the Harry Potter series. TFM Network got a
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bunch of shows talking about Star Trek with my good
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friend Chris Jones, and then I'm over there as well
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on the six of two club talking about all the
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franchises we love outside of Star Trek. But John, if
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people wanted to talk about, like what you're reading next,
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and maybe I don't know, maybe even get a hint
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about what might be coming up here soon on aggressive negotiations.
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Where could people find you?
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Well, gosh, you can find me as Kessel Junkie on
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your social network of choice. I'm most active on Goodreads
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and Letterbox because books and movies are what I love.
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hosting a show called house Lights with Tristan Radel and
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Darren Moser, where I educate them on film technique, film process,
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and film history. It's really a masterclass that I offer
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to the two of them, because it's all about walking
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them through so they understand what's happening. Very very difficult task,
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but I'm pleased to do it.
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Matt.
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At this point, though, I realized that I did not
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turn on the dehumidifier, so all of my books Back
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of the Temple are starting to win built from the
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humidity on Coruscant. So I think it's time to close
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these negotiations.
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John, negotiations are closed. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.
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Hello there, welcome to the ned Palty.
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Hi.
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This is Nick and Ostasium, lead editor and writer on
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Hello, and welcome to the library section of Aggressive Negotiations,
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the Star Wars podcast on the Nerd Party Network that
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Jedi reading is fundamental. I'm one of your hosts, Jedi
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Master John Mills, and I'm joined with the erudite scholar
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of the Jedi, Jedi Master, Matthew Rushing. Matt, are you
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prepared to discuss an exciting surprise topic here on Aggressive Negotiations?
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Oh?
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Yeah, sorry, John, I was just trying to be really
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quiet because the Jedi librarian just told me to shut
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you think we could find maybe a room where we
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I'm glad you asked, Matt, because I don't want to
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So we will start talking at normal volume now, and
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you know what, you can start leaving us reviews at
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Party on Facebook and Instagram. And I'll give you a
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little tease here. I downloaded TikTok the other day because
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I'm going to post anything anyway, Matt. This is just
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a random sort of thing. I was in a bookstore
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the other day. I know, knock me over with a feather.
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Totally mind blowing is I was like, wait, there's a
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new Barnes. What so, whoever's in charge of that chain,
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bravo to you. You figured out how to bring it
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back from the dead. Now, whoever owns borders get to work.
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do you walk into a bookstore? What is a section
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you go to one of the same sections I do,
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and drum roll.
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Yes, because you're looking under s four what Star Wars
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books are there? Thank you very much. It's a compulsion.
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have to gravitate on over there. And it was really
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Wars section and I wind up embarrassing my kids because
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talking about Star Wars books. And she, you know, most
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of the world is a little younger than me, I guess,
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and you know, we start talking about she he hasn't
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read Kenoby by John Jackson Miller. And she's sitting there
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John Jackson Miller. I'm like, look for that name. He's
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good writer, you know, especially in franchise work. He's great.
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everything's got legends on it. There's like one or two
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High Republic books on there, and then there's like Mask
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in trouble? Like? Am I blind to an issue with
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Star Wars publishing? Why am I not seeing new Star
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Wars books set in prequel era or even an original
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trilogy era in this new canon? What am I missing?
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all the art of books are so wonderful. But they
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art of books always do incredibly well with presenting, you know,
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of Star Wars lost sight of the fact that the
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cranking these out like the pulp novels that inspired Lucas,
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many times, when Disney came forward before The Force Awakens
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you can bear witness to this. Matt. My reaction was, Oh,
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retrospect it was as good a decision as I think
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they thought it was right. That's immaterial. I think that
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of them were good that it was it kept you,
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it kept you going back. Okay, it's eight bucks, it's
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seven bucks, Sure, whatever, I'll spend it. It's a couple
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of weeks of entertainment for me because I'm a slow reader.
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that's the issue, is that they're two in their heads,
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forget trying to make an eight plus each time. Your
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batting average is what you got to go for, not
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to write books that didn't cocked or dicked anything was
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really difficult because the show's doing written. You don't know
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what's going to happen, you don't know where you're going right,
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and you know, the publishing arm had such a boom
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you couldn't tell a story about Yoda. You couldn't do
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this with these characters. You know, nobody could die until
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need you to kill Anakin solo because we're about to
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do the prequels and I don't want there being too
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competing Anakins. So that's the reason that character guide instead
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of his brother Jason, which you know that does not
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really is this thing where they're so afraid not to
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that together. You know, there were some other books in
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the series earlier that I really liked. But it feels like,
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it's because you know, they're still so active in that
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time period, but there are stories that seems like in
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the prequel era to tell, and even again even before
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the prequel era right in the sense of why can't
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you go back and tell the Obi Wan story? You know,
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like that seems to be the place where we're missing
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free reign, where it's like, you know, you have Filonian
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charge now of Lucasfilm Creative and and and this the
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co CEO of the company, and so he could easily
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tell publishing, hey, you can play in this part of
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the galaxy, and these are the if they're you, you
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have to run every story the idea buy me. But
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as long as I okay it, it's fine, man, and
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just go play with it. And until I say no, yeah,
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enjoy yourselves. You know, I don't understand why we're not
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doing that, because it feels like they keep trying to
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tell stories in places where it's difficult for them to
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get the okay to actually tell a good story there.
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a strange thing because like when we did that the
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the Clone War saves the you know, helped save Star Wars.
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I publishing I think helped save Star Wars in the
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sense that it kept it alive for fans and fan
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you know, people of this generation don't understand what it
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there was a New Star Wars book there and realize
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that could be the only New Star Wars you ever get.
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terrible way to put it, and people might groan, But
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sometimes the publishing could be the methodone to your heroin addiction,
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because you know you're like, okay, well I can't get
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the real thing, so okay, I'll ride this out. But additionally,
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it's like, oh, it's hard to tell an important story.
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they were just there and it was just to keep
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on is there is a tremendous opportunity with the Mando
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whatever you wanted. You know what, you don't get to
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make Rangers of the New Republic. Turn it into a
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book series. Yeah, throw it out there. Do the book
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series thing. Have that do some of the lifting for
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the fans, and then just make the screen stuff accessible
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for everybody else, just like Lucas did, where it was like, Okay,
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the on screen stuff is accessible for everybody, but then
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maybe this will change. And I think that you bringing
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do wonder if this might change here as Folony fully
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cements himself being in charge, and I think it might
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be because he truly understands his vision for where the
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series is going right and the stories that he wants
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to tell and how it all connects. In that sense,
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like I think that there is a possibility that we
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than less because of that possibility, because he can okay
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certain stories without worrying about stepping on the toes of
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anything that is planned on coming up right, even in
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it if it's in his mind as like a ten
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year plan, you know, like that's the kind of thing
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is going to be out of bounds, No, that's totally
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in bounce, you know. So I do wonder. And that's
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Star Trek side to understand. I mean, for these guys
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to write a book, you know, it takes a certain
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amount of time anyway, and then it's got to go
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through the editing process, and so you know, you're talking
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like a year. It's worth of work. And so you know,
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now that Filony is in charge, maybe this will be
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something that will actually see a bit of a revolution,
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a bit of a resurgence because they understand the stories
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hundred percent under I one hundred percent love Star Wars books.
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series this year because I haven't read it since it
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and it was just something I was like, you know what,
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the end of the Legends era and enjoy it. And
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the books have held up and I've enjoyed reading them.
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the store, right, and you know, those books just continue
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to be popular. There's enough of them out there for
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them to be popular, and they obviously still make enough
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money that they are, you know, putting them out with
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a new cover, you know, and because they've been redoing
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a bunch of those books with in the trade paperback format,
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because a lot of them just came out originally in
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the mass market papermacs, which nobody buys anymore. Everything's trade
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paperback now, and so they, you know, have a reason
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for people to come and pick them up again. And
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so I don't know, man, it does go to show though,
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you know, those those books that really stuck with fans,
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then it's interesting to see them still stick with fans now.
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make is that fans themselves need to unclench their sphincters
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about continuity because first and foremost there were problems with
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original EU continuity all over the place. It was one
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of the things that got tiring for me, was carrying
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one way or the other. But like you know, even
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when continuity got over written by something on screen, that's
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what people really need to just step back from. Because
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the Zon trilogy, Spardy Cylinders. I look those up, kids,
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different in your head.
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the Mandalorians, or the history of the Jedi or anything
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even number of things, and then you bring in you've
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been on a rereading the New Jedi Order, and you're
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going on the legacy of the Force and everything. My
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whole thing is, I've been rereading the graphic novels or
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the graphic trade paperbacks, the collection, the series collections and
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stuff like that, and it's fascinating to me because there
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are so many great ideas just in those that you
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could mine. And I'll tell you a Star Wars legacy,
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which was its own series.
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I remember that. Yep. I read the whole thing Man.
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Comics, and it kills me because what they've done on
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screen means that they can't possibly really adapt it unless
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they go back and ret on the idea that Luke
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had a kid we didn't know about by the time
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we met Red and it's like that that's a little heartbreaking,
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but you know what, you could still work, although they'll
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never work in Mara Jade, because it seems like Lucas
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that was the one thing he dug his heels in.
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He seemed to really hate her, and.
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I maybe we need to look up if his heart
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was broken by a Redhead at some point in the past.
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Maybe that's maybe that's the problem. Maybe if we changed
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Mara J to a brunette, we can get her through
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the process. Here, let's let's discuss this, you know that
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sort of thing. But you know, Matt, if people want
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to discuss any other type of hair color that mar
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J could have to get her worked back into continuity.
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Where could they find you online?
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Well, you can find me all over the place on
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social media and the named Matt Rushing zero two here
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in the network did a show called Outposts about every
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single chapter the Harry Potter series. TFM Network got a
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bunch of shows talking about Star Trek with my good
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friend Chris Jones, and then I'm over there as well
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on the six of two club talking about all the
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franchises we love outside of Star Trek. But John, if
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people wanted to talk about, like what you're reading next,
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and maybe I don't know, maybe even get a hint
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about what might be coming up here soon on aggressive negotiations.
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Where could people find you?
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Well, gosh, you can find me as Kessel Junkie on
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your social network of choice. I'm most active on Goodreads
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and Letterbox because books and movies are what I love.
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And you can find me here on the network, co
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hosting a show called house Lights with Tristan Radel and
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Darren Moser, where I educate them on film technique, film process,
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and film history. It's really a masterclass that I offer
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to the two of them, because it's all about walking
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them through so they understand what's happening. Very very difficult task,
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but I'm pleased to do it.
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Matt.
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At this point, though, I realized that I did not
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turn on the dehumidifier, so all of my books Back
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of the Temple are starting to win built from the
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humidity on Coruscant. So I think it's time to close
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these negotiations.
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John, negotiations are closed. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.
