Still Not Getting Better? Why the Order You Heal Matters

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Welcome to Wellness Simplified.
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I'm Kelly Nichols, and this show is for busy people who care deeply about their health, but are drowning in conflicting advice and don't know where to focus.
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Every episode, we simplify one area of health, one habit, one simple experiment, one clear next step that will actually fit into your life.
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Together, let's optimize our health.
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One simple step at a time.
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You've cleaned up your diet, you track your sleep, there's a shelf of supplements in the kitchen, and you've had the blood tests done, and yet you still don't feel right.
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Maybe you're more tired than ever.
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Maybe your hormones feel all over the place and you're wondering what on earth is happening to you.
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If that's you, this one's for you.
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This episode is for you.
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Because what if the problem isn't what you're doing?
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Rather, it's the order in which you're doing it.
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That's the idea at the heart of today's conversation.
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We get into why hormones might not be the real problem, why jumping into a detox too early can make you feel worse.
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The three tests that sort of show what's actually going on, the order in which we should heal, and one simple thing you can start this week before you spend another cent on supplements.
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My guest is Jared Cooper.
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He's a naturopathic doctor and functional medicine practitioner.
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He's the founder of Advanced Functional Medicine and the author of the Healing Hierarchy, a number one Amazon bestseller.
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He has spent more than a decade working with thousands of people with chronic complex conditions.
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He's also a database.
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So yes, he knows a thing or two about the stress.
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So let's get into it.
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Hey Jared, welcome to the show.
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Thanks so much for joining us.
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Hi Jelly.
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Thanks very much for having me.
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Great to be here.
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Yeah, I'm um really looking forward to delving into your book.
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And I think you offer a really, really unique perspective that we haven't had on the show.
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So it should be great.
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Uh but before we jump in, I always like to just get a sense of the person.
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So could you tell us like how do you start your day?
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Do you have some sort of morning routine or something that sets you up?
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Yeah, I do or I try to.
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You know, life gets in the way at different times.
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We've got six kids at home and things can get busy.
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Three younger ones, three older ones.
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So there's always uh something going on in in our house.
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But yeah, I I like to wake up, um, do some breathing exercises if I can, uh, get up, try and get some sun on my face.
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So get outside, maybe go for a little walk if it's possible, or even just get out, you know, the front of the backyard and and get a bit of that.
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Um and then, yeah, a bit of bit of exercise.
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Normally, once you've got the kids off to school, um, if I'm not working, I'll uh or before I go to work, I'll go to like a little gym down in the garage.
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So I'll do some exercise down there, uh, have some breakfast after that, and yeah, get into some work.
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So just basics really.
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Um, yeah, breathing exercises, um, yeah, different exercises.
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Also have a um sauna and an ice bath that I do at different times as well.
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Nice.
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So try and just keep those um things up.
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Don't live too far from the beach, too.
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So get down there mostly year-round, um, more in the summer, obviously, but um still sneak down there a bit in the winter and get that uh salt air and and some nice swims.
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So I think that keeps you you're fresh and and good as well.
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Yeah, beautiful.
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And that's awesome fitting that in with six kids.
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I've got two and that's hard enough, but six is intense.
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They're always tricky, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And with your sauna, I'm I'm key I'm curious, like how often do you think?
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Because I'm trying to get sauna in at the moment, but it's just fitting it in with everything else.
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What do you think is kind of like the bare minimum to see results?
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Oh, a couple of times a week is good, I think.
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Um, you know, if you're really trying to detox or you've had mould issues or other detoxification issues, then um starting slow and building up is is key around that.
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Some people don't tolerate it so well if they're sick or quite toxic and and won't detox too well.
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So if you're in that state, then uh building up to it, just having shorter saunas, lower temperatures initially.
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Uh, but if you're you know doing it for maintenance or you know, tolerate them quite well, um, yeah, two or three a week or and it's time permitting as well.
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You've got to think about your need to get it done.
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So you you've got to warm the sauna up, which normally takes three quarters of an hour, an hour, then you've got to get in there and you know, there's another you know, half an hour sort of minimum.
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Uh so yeah, it is uh a bit of a time commitment and you've got to you can't just like an ice bath, it's ready, jump in and off you go, you're you're out in a few minutes, and it's uh bit of a quick and easy thing where um with a sauna, it takes a lot longer, you've got to prep it.
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Um, but I'd say, yeah, two or three times a week, um, time permitting.
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Yeah, cool.
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Okay.
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That is something that I'm working towards.
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So good to know.
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That's great.
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Let's jump into your book.
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So, because I like um at the open of uh the healing hierarchy, you have this example of this woman who's doing everything right.
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I think you said, like, you know, blood work, four months of sleep data, supplements, the whole thing, but she's still getting worse, not better.
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Could you share?
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I think that's a really good example to show when you're supposedly doing everything right, but you're not getting better.
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Could you share that example?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So that was a lady, um, and not um untypical from a lot of patients that I do see.
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A lot of patients that I see have, you know, been around to a lot of practitioners, doctors, things like that, been doing a lot of the right things too, because there's a lot of health, uh good health information out there now and quite accessible too.
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So a lot of people and patients that come to me are quite well informed before they get there.
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So many have already been doing different protocols, um, lifestyle adjustments, been through multiple diets, like um that example, tracking their sleep and tracking what what they're eating, um, often on you know, multiple you know, supplement stacks and addressing uh certain areas.
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But the thing I found over the last decade in um consulting was a lot of people when when they get to me, they've they've done all these things and a lot of you know right things, but just haven't really sort of hit the nail on the head and aren't getting the results and getting um supplement fatigue or um protocol fatigue and just really not addressing some of the underlying areas of their health.
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So the book really takes you through um like a four-step process to start at the base and really identify what's going on in in your body.
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Um so that's sort of key first, where we're looking at the the fundamentals of health.
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Uh, you know, the first step is um crisis stabilization.
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So a lot of people gloss over this or or skip that.
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They might think they're, you know, eating not too bad, sleeping not too bad, but they might be missing um key key nutrient deficiencies, or they might have some acute inflammation that they haven't addressed, or or their diet or their sleep isn't dialed into exactly how it should be.
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Uh, blood sugar stabilization is another one as well.
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So um people do a lot of fasting and things like that, which is which is great.
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Um, but in certain people, fasting is not um not at that right time.
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Uh it's it's got to be the right time for the right person.
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So if you're struggling with your health and your blood sugar's not stabilizing, uh fasting can actually put some more stress on it where you want to just do that at the right time.
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So having stable blood sugar, nutrients, uh balanced, uh getting your sleep and and your diet right are really sort of fundamental for that.
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And then a lot of those people that that come to me, some have had the right testing, others haven't.
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Um, but really addressing what's happening in the body and identifying what I call health blocks.
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So it could be uh parasitic gut infection, it could be placebo or a um antimicrobial or like a microbial overgrowth in the gut, for instance, or it could be problems in the biochemistry.
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So there's uh methylation imbalances, um, which might flow onto neurochemistry imbalances with some mental health type patients, uh detox pathways which get affected.
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Um, and then we need to work through those layers before we start looking at things like your hormones and you know, longevity optimizing your health, all of those things, which a lot of people want to jump straight to.
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They come to me and it's like, oh, you know what, want to optimize my health, or my hormones are out, you know, I want to boost my testosterone, you know, I want to balance my hormones.
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Um live forever.
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Yeah, so all of those things.
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And that's you know, the fun stuff and people want to get to and what a lot of people put the blame on is like the the hormones and things like that, without realizing that you really got to come back a couple of steps and and see what's happening um from the fundamentals in your body, dial dial in the um, you know, diet lifestyle, movement, all of that sort of stuff.
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Okay, wait, wait a second, before you go through it all, because you've just said a whole lot.
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And I want to unpack like the different phases a little bit for the audience.
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Yeah, sure.
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So let's like pull it back to the foundations.
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I I do think everyone knows the foundations, but let's just recap on them, summarize.
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But then I think what's important and when I was reading it is like when can someone know that they've really mastered the base?
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Because your whole thing is about do this first, then the next, which I really love, and I don't think people are really speaking to that.
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So could you firstly summarize what you consider the fundamentals?
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Uh as I said, I do think that's pretty commonly known.
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But I think then like can if someone's listening, like how do they know, okay, now I've mastered, now I've really kind of like got those sort of, now I can move on to the next phase.
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Yeah, yeah, sure.
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Um, so the the fundamentals, like you said, you know, most people are quite aware of, but whether they're doing them well enough for themselves as well or for what's happening in their life, that's that's the other story as well.
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So fundamentals, diet is a key one, and probably the biggest, really.
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Like the diet can affect and does affect every system of your body.
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The old saying, you are what you eat, really, really rings true.
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So you you need to look at the diet.
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A lot of people have a lot of food sensitivities, um, particularly if they have issues with their gut, and these food sensitivities get exacerbated a lot.
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So looking at your diet, when patients come to see me, the first thing I'll do is see what's going on in their diet, give them some diet guidelines.
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Um, and it doesn't mean you have to go on these crazy restrictive diets for a really long time, but if you've got long-standing health issues, you really need to have a look at what's going on in the diet.
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And the best way is to restrict it somewhat for for a little while, and I normally use at least three weeks, but 30 days is best to restrict your diet.
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Uh, and that's just coming back to for for me, for most people that eat meats and things like that, will be uh a paleostyle diet.
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I use a whole food reset, which is basically meats and vegetables, cuts out a lot of the common trigger foods like dairy, grains, um alcohol, sugars, things like that.
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So they'll get cut out for 30 days and it helps reset the body and gives you a starting point to see, okay, well, I'm going to start adding some rice back in.
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Oh, if I want to eat, you know, the odd bit of bread here or there, I want to add that back in and see what happens in your body.
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If you're if you're eating foods that you're intolerant to regularly, then you kind of create this um, it's like a tolerance to them, but you you don't realize what's happening in your body.
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So you're you're getting inflammation or you could be tired or your skin's breaking out, or you're not sleeping well, or your mood isn't so good, uh, you're getting that afternoon crash, all of those sorts of symptoms that a lot of people see and uh just sort of fobbed off, and we're not sort of sure what where they're coming from.
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But if you address your diet, a lot of times I find when I see people after that month have come back to see me, a lot of those areas have all improved and I haven't even done anything.
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We're just waiting for some test results to get back, haven't really treated them with anything, and they've sorted out their diet based on those guidelines, and their sleep's improved, their skin's got better, their mood's better, energy's better, all from diet alone.
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So you can see the the power of of food and and as an input to the body, how it affects your body.
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And sorry, with that, like what do you think are the top kind of three things that people that you see are doing wrong in their diet that then you like the improvements?
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Is it more about what they need to take out or what they need to add in?
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Um often it's what they need to take out, but it depends on the person, things like oats, a lot of people think oh, oats are great for them, they have their oats in the morning, you know if they might have some higher cholesterol, oats can help lower it.
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But I find that they really disrupt uh a lot of people's gut and they're not tolerated so well.
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You know, they are sort of touted as uh gluten-free, but that's not always the problem.
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The the gluten, even a lot of um non-gluten sort of grains cause problems for people as well.
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So, and it's not saying like I I eat grain at different times, but it's not a like a staple every day in my diet and I feel better without it.
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Uh, and most most people do, but I think it's all about balance and you want to be able to, you know, go with some friends and share a bit of pizza if that's what you're into, or you know, have this thing if you're you know not a celiac or gluten intolerant and and have that balance, but it's what you do most of the time.
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But look looking at food like as an input to the body, it really um can really affect you.
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And then over time, if you're eating food you're intolerant to, what I was getting at before is you you don't really um notice what it's doing to you until you stop it.
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So the immunoglobulin antibodies that are produced in the body um from eating foods that you're intolerant to can take up to about 21 days to to really um go back to zero.
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So that's the amount of time it can really take to for some people to notice market changes.
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So other people I'll see, they'll say, oh, you know, I cut this out for a week and it didn't make any difference, but it's not really not long enough to understand what's happening in the body.
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You really want to give it a minimum of three weeks to kind of get a clean slate.
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Uh, and then what you often notice when you put a food back in, if you are intolerant to it, that you'll get a much bigger response in the body you're used to because those responses just got dulled down over the time if you repeatedly ate that kind of food that was affecting you.
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But when you cut it out, the body kind of resets, and then you say oats, for instance, and you eat them again, you might, oh geez, my stomach's really bloated.
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I had to run to the toilet, I got a headache, or I just felt tired after eating that.
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So you you'll get a much stronger response, and then you can yeah, realize what's going on.
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Or you might eat it and you're totally fine, and then in that sense, that might be a food that's that's okay.
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Yeah, I love that.
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That's great.
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Yeah, and understanding what's going on in the diet as one of the fundamentals is is probably the biggest one, I would say.
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And people with issues in their gut, like leaky gut and stuff like that, that will just exacerbate all these um food intolerances.
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And once you get your gut right, you might find, oh, actually, I can go out and eat that food sometimes and I'm totally fine.
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Whereas before that would just be, you know, a major trigger food for people.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Cool, that's really clear.
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Anything else about the fundamentals that you want to hide?
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Yeah, so so that's the diet, really.
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Uh, and then sleep.
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Um, people have all, you know, weird and wonderful sleep schedules, different people.
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Um, the shift work, which can be um a trick on its own.
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Uh, but trying to get consistent sleep is is key.
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And for me, if you if you're not working shift work, you know, get getting to bed or sleep around 10 o'clock and trying to uh get up around six, that sort of eight-hour window and sleeping with your time zone is um is really good as well.
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So try trying to balance that.
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For some people, it's uh it's easy.
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Some people have some struggles around that as well.
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And there could be multiple things that that affect it.
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Some of the the things I mentioned in the um the first level, like the crisis stabilization, uh, blood sugar can really affect your your sleep if you're not eating enough throughout the day or you're eating too early in the day and leaving it later at night, um, you know, not enough proteins, not enough fats, that can cause the the wake-up in the you know, two or three in the morning, or um it's it's more of a crisis.
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So no sort of amount of magnesium or anything like that is really going to fix that.
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You need to go back and address the diet to get that right.
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Yeah.
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Um yeah, so so getting the sleep rights.
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Um, again, you know, there's all the sleep hygiene stuff out there, and that that's all great, but we need to to make sure that those fundamentals around the fleet, like like blood sugar, uh nutrient imbalances, um, you know, your hormones and all those sorts of things.
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And that comes back through working through the steps to get the base of your body working right, and then these other things will start to fall into place.
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And sleep is a practice as well.
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So if you're you know up gaming at night or you're you're out, you know, doing things at at night and or working out, you know, at nine o'clock at night and expecting to go to sleep at 10 o'clock, it's just not gonna work.
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So you need to, uh, if you're aiming for that, you know, shuffle around your life soul, um, dim the lights, you know, get off your phone a bit earlier, things like that so you can help to allow the body to um, you know, start to produce its own melatonin and start to get into that sleepy mode that the lights are used around the house as well.
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We have um the down lights that you can switch to different modes.
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So there's the the no-blue light mode that you can switch them to at the night.
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Um yeah, different things like that that you can sort of use to to help prep yourself for sleep.
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And if you live in a busy area, what you can do to mitigate the noise or or blinds so you're not in the summer getting, you know, woken up by the sunlight at 4 30 in the morning.
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Um, all that sort of stuff you can uh work on too.
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What about the three?
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I hear quite a lot, especially I think from women um who I work with that the this like you know, 3 a.m.
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wake up kind of I mean 3 a.m.
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sometime around then wake up seems to be very common.
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Yeah, it can be.
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And there can be it can be hormonal and it can be uh liver as well.
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A lot of um detox, 3am is often from Chinese medicine associated with the liver, also.
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So detoxification burdens, um, you know, certain supplements like glutathyme, NAC can help with those.
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Glycine, I find, is a major one as well uh with people, which is a calming nutrient which is often um depleted.
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I run quite a few um advanced neurotransmitter testing with um patients with some anxiety, mental health, and things like that.
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And glycin's a common um amino acid that I see low in people.
00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:19.599
And glycine's quite a cheap one.
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Like I've heard that glycine, glycine at night is quite like a an affordable sort of supplement for your sleep.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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No, most of the amino acids are are quite cheap.
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Um, yeah, so glycine's one of those.
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And a lot of people for for the sleep use the magnesium glycinate, so it's your magnesium um, you know, attached with the the glycine molecule, so you get that benefit of the glycine.
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Um, so that that's a good form for that.
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And there's there's multiple forms of of magnesium, the citrate, which helps more in the bow.
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There's a three and eight uh which crosses the blood-brain barrier.
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But if you're aiming at sleet, it's normally the mag um magnesium glycinate.
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Or you could take some of some of the blends have like a bit of magnesium citrate, then they'll have a good, you know, three or four gram dose of glycine with them.
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And it's the glycine that is the the calming uh amino.
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Yeah.
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I'm gonna go check my magnesium afterwards.
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Yeah, no worries.
00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:17.599
And I a lot of people have that um can't switch off.
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That's a big thing for people as well.
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They lay there and they just say, Oh, I just can't switch off.
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Um, one of my go-tos for that is GABA.
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Uh that's a calming neurotransmitter, so you can get it as a powder, also quite cheap as well.
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Yeah.
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Um, so often use, you know, that 500 to 1,000 milligrams for for people to start with.
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And then that just really helps to just calm the brain uh and switch off that chatter that some people can't, you know, seem to switch off while they're up thinking about work or the kids or what someone said during the day or or something else.
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Uh, and that just helps to um calm the person down, balance the brain, and uh and often yeah, helps get off to sleep well.
00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:59.599
Because nervous, I mean, the nervous system regulation is also in your fundamentals.
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And I think that's quite key, because if your nervous system is is constantly in that kind of fight and flight mood, then nothing really is going to truly work at a deep level.
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Abs absolutely.
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And that's right at the top, really.
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You you're right.
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If the nervous system is out of whack, um then everything else is is not gonna work right.
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And you're never gonna get into a repair state if you're in this fight or flight or you know, a heightened uh nervous system.
00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:31.599
So there's everything affects the nervous system as well, and that's what I sort of mentioned in the book.
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You've got to understand how food affects the nervous system, how your sleep affects the nervous system, what supplements do to your nervous system, uh, exercise, how that affects it, and it's the state of your nervous system as to what sort of stresses you put on the body, and stresses there's good and bad stresses, like the ice bath, like the sauna, like how you work out, whether you're doing a HIIT class or whether you're just going for a stroll around the block.
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You really need to look at the the right dose for the right person at the right time.
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Yeah.
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And I think that your last part, I think it's I, in my experience, has been so key is at the right time.
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Because something that I could handle, you know, uh at one point in my life when I went through a divorce, no way.
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Like it was so obvious that I just could no longer be doing sprinting.
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Um and I think that, yeah, it's really listening to your body and not just saying, I I do this and I do that, and and and changes with time.
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Absolutely.
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So key.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And and you're right, listening to your body, that is is key.
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And a lot of people do do ignore that, or they'll just push through, or if I just keep pushing through, I'll be okay.
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And yeah, sometimes that the case is the case, but other times you can fall in a heap because you're you're not listening to your body or the signs that your body is giving to you.
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Uh and you push, push, push, and some people can you know tip over the edge.
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And I talk about it a bit in the book called the the sense what I call the sensitization threshold, where your body becomes oversensitized.
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So you might be burning the candle at both ends, you've got the kids, you're working hard, you've got a social life and Activity going on.
00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:06.640
So all of these things are taking from you when you're maybe maybe you're not listening to your body well enough.
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So you're not sleeping as good as you could, you're not eating as good as you could because you're you're busy and and life's happening and you're not taking time out for yourself, then all of a sudden there might be an extra stressful event or something that happens, um, you know, or an illness, any of these things can kind of trigger it.
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And that's what I see for a lot of patients that come and see me.
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There's like a a turning point or a point in their life where they've really what I call like crossing the sensitization threshold, they've just sort of fallen off a cliff where they were just managing, they weren't feeling so good, and then all of a sudden they've just like fallen over the edge.
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And it takes a lot longer to get back up that cliff and and restore once you're once you're over it, rather than noticing the signs in the body.
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And okay, well, I need to just dial that back a bit.
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Maybe I'm not gonna go out this Friday night.
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Maybe I'll just, you know, won't do that over time at work, or maybe I'll make sure I'm gonna get to bed at 10 o'clock for a little while.
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Well that's something sorry.
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Yeah, gonna be sort of much better if you can catch it there rather than once you've crossed it, it takes a a lot longer to to come back.
00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.559
Yeah, Darren, exactly what you're expir you're you're saying was my experience.
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So I was leading a the humanitarian big camp global campaign.
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I had a one-year-old that was finishing a book.
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I was and it's that like when you get into that mentality of go, go, go, you kind of numb your senses.
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And so you don't notice the signs, like you're saying.
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And I got pneumonia and then bang, like it took me years to get back because of that kind of serious nervous system dysregulation.
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So I completely know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, the the the body gives you signs, but it's yeah, you can get focused or in the whatever mode you're in, and then ignore those signs.
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And if and if you don't uh listen to them, at some point you you get a real, you know, slap in the face or a wake-up, in your case, you know, the pneumonia and you you tipped over the edge, and it can be, you know, some sort of event that happens that it's just that extra bit of stress that is you know quite big and and pushes you over the edge.
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Yep.
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Yeah, awesome.
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Sorry, I know we're spe spending a lot of time on the fundamentals.
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I do love the fundamentals.
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That's good, yeah.
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And and the other ones are movement as well.
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So, you know, that's the only thing that really pumps the lymph in your body.
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So one of the you know detox um pathways for your body.
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So key movement is is essential as well.
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And that does, like I said, doesn't have to mean you're doing a HIIT class or that.
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It can be just a stroll down the beach or a walk around the block or some you know, body weight movement.
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And then, you know, if you're going well with that, you can move up and you know, do some weights, weight bearing exercise, or you know, a bit of bike running, what whatever you're into.
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Uh play some sports, um, yeah, all of those things.
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:49.920
So movement is is key and and it's what we talked about before, different for different people at different times.
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You know, if you're doing a you know, a big heavy workout and then you're getting home and you can't get off the couch and you're wiped out for the rest of the day, and then you're feeling you know, jittery and not so good even the next day, you're probably doing too much.
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You need to build that up and yeah, get the right dose at the right time.
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Beautiful.
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I mean, I think that's great.
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I mean obviously there's hydration, blood sugar you've already mentioned.
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I think with that we've covered all the fundamentals, right?
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Or have we been?
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Yeah, yeah, we're pretty much.
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Yeah.
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Awesome.
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Yay.
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.839
Um, so uh the next is, you know, on the data to clarify.
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And I think you talk you talk about stool tests, organic acid tests, and functional blood panel.
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Um, I think the organic acid test is probably probably the one that some listeners might not have heard of.
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But maybe you could talk about why those three or anything else you add in and anything that you want to explain about that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So those those um three tests are key for me and any new patient that comes to see me, regardless of what they're coming for.
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And I might add other tests on as well, but those those three are key because for me, they give so much data.
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Um, one, we run a extensive blood panel, so a lot of your basics are in there as well, like your vitamin D, B12, your iron studies, um, liver function, a full blood count, uh, full thyroid panel, which funnily enough, a lot of um, you know, general practitioners don't seem to run off the bat.
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They'll just run the TSH, um, cholesterol markers.
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Um, yeah, so there's a whole range that we run through their hormones as well.
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We'll always run the hormones in the blood.
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Um, so if for females it's your estrogen and progesterone, we normally try and time that for um menstruating women around the midluteal phase.
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So normally that date 19 to 21 of a 28-day cycle, normally try and time time that.
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Uh, and then blokes will have the free testosterone and testosterone, so look at the antigens there as well, and and for the females also.
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So we'll run all those.
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Um, we've got inflammation markers, and there's a whole range of other markers that we look at as a screening tool.
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There's some autoimmune markers in there as well.
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So they're key to identify what's happening in the blood work, um, picks up key deficiencies as well, uh, and just sort of trends that might be sort of starting to go out in the body.
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So that blood works works key around that.
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And I explained that a bit more in the in the book.
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I detail all the different markers.
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There's also a like a blood panel decoder I've got on on the healing hierarchy website as well.
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So there's um yeah, a range around that.
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But that's that's fundamental.
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You're you're really missing a key piece of the puzzle if you're only running a few bloods or you know, not getting that full picture in the blood.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.559
So then the uh Sorry, go on.
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No, there you go.
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I was gonna say then the the other couple of tests, um, stool tests.
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So a lot of people are familiar with stool tests, but a lot of people still get confused.
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They'll ask me, oh, you know, it's the the one that the government sends you when you're 50 for your bowel cancer, is that good enough?
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And not really understanding that all that's checking for is a bit of blood in the stool uh to to flag.
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:54.400
Uh or what about when I went and saw the GP, they you know had some tummy issues and they ordered a stool test for me.
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It's a totally different stool test.
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All that's going to do is be looking for it's a PCR and that's just looking for uh parasites, basically.
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:08.960
So as opposed to running an advanced stool test, like a DNA-based stool test, really maps what's going on in the gut.
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And you get key gut functional markers as well.
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:19.279
So say Kel protectin for inflammation, it's pancreatic elastase to make sure you're breaking down your food and digesting it properly.
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:27.279
Uh, there's uh beta glucaronidase, which is a detox marker, which can get um, when it's high, can get impaired, so you're not detoxing through your gut properly.
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:34.160
You're starting to recycle those toxins and hormones and things, which can lead to in female cetrogen dominance and other issues.
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:36.720
So that high beta glucuronidase.
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Um yeah, and then there's um yeah, a range of other markers that looks at the function of the gut and how well that's performing.
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You've got your zonulin, which is your leaky gut mark.
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So when that's high, uh, zonulin's released by these tight gap junctions in your uh gut lining.
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And when they're under stress, they release zonulin.
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And when they're damaged, they allow food particles through the gut lining into your bloodstream that should be contained into your gastrointestinal tract.
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:21.920
So those particles that are getting out into your bloodstream fire up the immune system and uh put your immune system on high alert, and it causes uh a lot of gut issues, but also systemic issues too, because this immune system is getting triggered constantly by foods that are circulating in your blood that shouldn't be.
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Yeah.
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So the immune system becomes on high alert, and if that's not uh looked after in a short amount of time, if that's left unchecked for a long period of time, it can be the precursor to a lot of autoimmune disease and and things like that as well.
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So that's really key there.
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:44.160
Um yeah, so uh secretatory IgA, which is the the mucin barrier in your gut, also.
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So it's like your immune barrier, your first line of defense.
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.160
So there's markers there to show whether that's been worn down.
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:54.960
So it really gives you a good idea how robust your gut is and and what's happening in there.
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.039
So those gut function markers.
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And once um, so we have a look at those, and then you get a whole stack of uh microbes, so good and bad ones.
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.359
Do you have any parasites which can really affect the gut and the gut lining?
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.759
Uh, are there other pathogens in there?
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Candida, yeast, certain other microbes which are dysbiotic.
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:22.559
So you have a list of all of those and then numbers, whether they're high or or not present, which um you can assess whether you need to use antimicrobials to clear those or not.
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:32.799
Uh, and then towards the end of the test, you see a range of all the beneficial bacteria, so all your lactobacillus, um bifidobacterium, acomantia, other uh bacteria.
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.680
So you have a range of those and see the levels.
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A lot of times it see those quite um quite void or wiped out in a lot of people.
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:40.960
Yeah, totally.
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:53.599
And you used to talk about how the gut before other things like gut before working on hormones and so forth, because you can't absorb nutrients needed to rebuild hormones for, for example, through a damaged like intestinal barrier.
00:30:54.079 --> 00:31:06.960
So um one I'm I I suppose I'm personally curious to know like how often when you run this test do you see someone that you're like, okay, your gut is great, we can move on to the next thing.
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:17.920
Because I know personally I've been working on my gut for years, and I recently did a screen like you're talking about with um actually one of our previous guests, um, Natasha uh Sadoti.
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And and it was the best one I've had.
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I was like, oh wow, I don't have any parasites, I don't have this.
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.079
But there were still issues, you know.
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:29.359
So I'm I'm curious at to what point you say, okay, the gut's now good enough, we can move on to the next thing.
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:30.400
Because I agree with you totally.
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.640
Like I've been holding off doing a whole lot of things until I feel like the gut's really optimized.
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:35.599
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:46.319
So I I have the levels, and that's probably simplified a little bit in the book as to how I actually treat patients because I kind of address areas at the same time, but I'm working on the gut.
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.160
So you can't overlook the gut.
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:55.920
But if they've got you know key imbalances in their neurochemistry or methylation, I'll be working on them while I'm fixing the gut as well.
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:02.240
So it's not like I'll spend six months on the gut and it's like we can't touch your neurochemistry or any of that stuff until we've got the gut right.
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:15.680
We can, but you know, we we need to be addressing these underlying areas and and what the sort of book sort of simplifies is don't just jump into the the top end stuff without looking at the underlying things like like neurotransmitters.
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:26.319
Okay, well I'll just take some 5 HDP and B6 to increase my serotonin, I'll just take some tyrosine to increase my dopamine, where we're looking at, okay, well, most of the um neurotransmitters are made in the gut.
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:44.400
So unless you're getting your your gut diversity right, clearing out um dysbiotic bacteria, um getting some robustness in the gut, eating a variety of foods to maintain those beneficial bacteria, which are gonna help reduce the precursors to your serotonin and then your tyrosine and other neurotransmitters, they're not gonna stay good.
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:51.440
So you might get them up with the 5 HTP and the tyrosine and you feel good, but then six months later, if you haven't addressed your gut, they're gonna start dwindling off again.
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:56.640
You're gonna start getting those mood issues you had before, and it's not gonna self-perpetuate.
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:02.640
So you need you can do both, but you need to be addressing those underlying things at the same time as well.
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:03.359
Yeah.
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:04.720
Okay, cool.
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.880
Um, there's also the oats test.
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.000
I mean, you don't know need to go into great detail, but maybe just top line.
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:17.839
Yeah, so it's one of my um one of my favorite tests, actually, the oats, organic acids tests, it's a urine test.
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.400
It's one that we send off to the States, uh, to America.
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.559
Uh so that looks at it's a broad test.
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.640
It looks at about 70, 70 plus different um metabolic markers.
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:31.119
There's about 20 markers that screen for yeasts and bacterias.
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:37.279
So I know you might think we're we're looking for that in the stool, but quite often these yeasts and bacteria will be systemic in the body.
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:41.839
And I, for thousands of people and patients, I've run these together.
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:47.920
And for some, you might see a clean stool test in terms of no yeast, no um dysbiotic bacterias.
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:54.559
But then I'll look at the organic acids tests and there's high markers in Costridia or other bacteria present in there.
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.799
So it's a bit more systemic in the body rather than localizing the GI tract.
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:07.359
So there's there's a number of markers that that look at that, and it's a good check because that will normally be missed, where I think, okay, we're not going to use antimicrobials on this person.
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:21.119
There's there's nothing really there in that picture from the stool test, but the organic acids test paired with it shows a different story and changed the way I treated that person and might have been a you know patient that's been around and and that's been missed by a lot of people.
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:44.400
So once we identified that, what that help block was, we're able to clear it, then all of a sudden, you know, I've got examples like that where they've had years and years of um eczema over their body trying to treat it for 10 years, and then we did about um this guy as an architect down south uh for about 10 years and um treated him, took about nine months, but his skin fully clear.
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:53.199
Um and he'd been everywhere, and it was his underlying, had a good stool test, but his organic acid test really showed um yeah, these dyspotic bacteria.
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.880
So it looks at looks at those, that's just one section of it as well.
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:06.800
And then there's um mitochondria markers, so for your for your energy organelles, so it looks at the key areas through the Krebs cycle, which produces your ATP, your energy.
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:23.280
So markers that will show like deficiencies that uh could be like CoQ10 or ubiquinol, uh key B vitamins, um carnitine, those sorts of things might be the fixes in there, but it'll identify areas where the mitochondria or the Krebs cycle might be falling down.
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.480
Then it looks at key nutrients.
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:40.960
So it's pretty hard to assess some B vitamins in the body, like B12 is not a bad test uh in the blood, but when you're looking at things like B6 and some of those, they really get your blood doesn't give you the best answers.
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:46.639
So there's some markers in the organic acid test which give you a true indicator through through your urine.
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.079
So you got key B vitamins, there's also neurotransmitters as well.
00:35:50.239 --> 00:36:00.159
So you look at your dopamine and the dopamine pathways and how that converts um from dopamine uh and epinephrine to uh norepinephrine and noradrenaline.
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:06.079
So that conversion often that's impaired through the the methylation pathway as well, or the COMT pathway.
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:13.360
So supporting it with methylation, magnesium, B6, all those can help balance those um that neurochemistry.
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:20.079
Also your serotonin, so it looks at your serotonin levels, so sleep and mood is is affected a lot by those.
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.480
And then there's detox pathways as well.
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:28.400
So um looking at how your glutathione's being recycled and if that's working well, so supporting those.
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.360
So that test covers all of that and it gives you a really good look.
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:38.480
When you couple that up with the stool test and a broad blood panel, you get a good understanding of what's happening in your body.
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:52.559
And for most people, just looking at that, balancing those things out and addressing those areas, plus the you know, diet and lifestyle on the fundamentals, like we spoke about, I'd say 80% of people will get 95% of better.
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:52.880
Yeah.
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:53.679
Yeah, amazing.
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:54.159
Okay.
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.639
So now let's go further down into the sequence.
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:58.880
We've started with the gut, like you talked about.
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:07.360
Um, unless you want to add anything else to that, maybe we can go like the I think you talk about like inflammation before optimization, which seems very important.
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:08.159
Yeah, sure.
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.119
So the the first level was the crisis stabilization we spoke about.
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:17.519
So the blood sugar and the nutrient balancing, um, inflammation, get getting all of that sort of working right.
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:27.599
And what flows into that crisis stabilization is your fundamentals like your diet and lifestyle and movement, all of that will affect your inflammation and and stuff in the body.
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:36.159
So getting that right in the crisis stabilization, then moving through to the gut, because the gut houses about 70% of the immune system, affects every system.
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.559
There's so much data out there now from how the gut affects just about everything in the body.
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.480
So that was the second stage.
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.760
I just sorry, just for one second, because I'm really sorry.
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.480
Um and I should have asked this at the start, with the the crisis management and inflammation.
00:37:50.719 --> 00:38:01.920
Like, is it that your tests, like are there specific tests that you're looking at and like levels that you want to get at to check people's inflammation, or yeah, anything else that you could be?
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:08.800
There is, you've got like your basic CRP or um sensitive HS CRP for the sensitive CRP.
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.119
So that one um in the blood is also ESR, which is like an inflammatory marker.
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.960
So you'll be looking at that, but it doesn't always show up.
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.559
You know, some people are inflamed and they might have a uh CRP of less than one, which is ideal.
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:29.039
So there can be other things that are setting off inflammation in the body, like their diet, a leaky gut, all of those things.
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:35.199
If if that's not right, then that'll be causing inflammation in the body and affecting you systemically.
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:53.119
So just putting the things in place to reduce that inflammation, uh, addressing the key imbalances, you know, around nutrients, balancing blood sugar, all of that sort of stuff will just sort of calm the body down so it's not in this heightened state of um, you know, fight or flight or repair or crisis.
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.119
And and once when you're in that crisis, your body's not going to be doing any healing.
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.280
So we want to just calm it down to allow the body to get in a state that it can heal.
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:01.760
Yeah.
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:12.639
So then yeah, moving into the gut, that sort of further sort of works on that because that gut is affecting inflammatory pathways to to all areas of the body, including the brain.
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.599
Uh, so getting getting that right.
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.639
Are there any underlying triggers that are just keeping inflammation there?
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.519
And whether that's measured on a CRP or not, often it's not.
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:29.199
But it could be the that dientomeba fragilis or the blastocystis um parasite you've got there.
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:43.360
It could be lack of beneficial bacteria, it could be you've got the high zonulin and a leaky gut, and every time you're eating these foods, they're firing your immune system up, causing inflammation, um interrupting with the vagus nerve, messing with your mood and your neurochemistry.
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.119
So all those things play in.
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:46.960
So that gut is affected everywhere.
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:51.199
So that's why that's level two, because that that needs to be addressed.
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:55.039
And I see patients that come in, oh, you know, I don't need my gut test, you know, it's fine.
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:56.800
I'm passing stool every day, I'm all good.
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.039
I'm like, well, hang on, I'm gonna test it anyway.
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.800
And and often those people, you know, come back with some of the worst things going on in there.
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:10.559
They're just not in tune with it, or it's just seemingly not not affecting them, but they're just they don't understand or they don't they're not feeling what's going on there.
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:18.960
They're they're so focused on some other symptoms, whether that's hormones or brain, starph anxiety or other things, they've kind of shut off that connection to their gut.
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:24.400
But once we address that, that we start seeing um movement in in all these other areas of their health.
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:25.039
Yeah.
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:31.599
Yeah, so that's that's why that's second, because the after crisis stabilization, the gut, because it it just affects everything.
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.480
And if you're not looking at that, you you've missed a key piece.
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:43.440
And yeah, I think you gave an example of a guy who wanted to um who was working on low testosterone and and what you actually found was fixing it through the gut.
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:44.320
Absolutely.
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:51.440
Yeah, you you find um working on those fundamentals, get getting the gut right, um will do wonders.
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:59.760
Uh and the that guy with testosterone, I see with a lot of females as well, they'll they'll come in, oh, my hormones are all over the place, and you know, I need to do something about my hormones.
00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:08.480
I'll be like, okay, let's hang on a minute, let's go back here, let's, you know, get on looking at your diet, let's look at some fundamentals, let's get the gut right.
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.239
And then, you know, three months later, they're like, oh, my, you know, my cycle's come back good.
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.599
It's, you know, the best period I've had in ages, it's back regular, it's not heavy.
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.119
The lead up to my period, I didn't even know my period was coming, all these things.
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:24.159
And it's like, well, I haven't really done anything to your period, like to your cycle or put any supplements in for that.
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:30.480
It's just your body's re-regulated itself, and it does, given the right environment and the right um, you know, tools.
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.719
Which is beautiful about the body, right?
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.320
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.639
And then um, yeah, sorry, Guggo.
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:42.320
Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, then uh after the guts, um, so then the next stage is yeah, the biochemistry and detox.
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:50.960
So that's looking at all your biochemical pathways, and there's some key ones in there that really um that that really affect a lot of people.
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.519
Methylation probably being one of the biggest ones.
00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:00.559
So methylation, and the reason why is it's upstream of so many processes in the body.
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:17.199
And if that's not working right, uh then all these downstream processes such as detoxification, uh creation of bioctorine to uh help with your neurotransmitters, energy molecules, all of these sorts of things, they they start to not perform as well as they should.
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:25.679
So you get bottlenecks in in the detox through the CBS pathway, or COMPT might start slowing down, and then you're not recycling your neurotransmitters properly.
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.480
So all of a sudden your energy might go, you might be having anxiety, you might be having mood issues.
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:40.480
Uh, and then if you go back and look at methylation, and it could be an issue with the MTHFR enzyme, which about 40% of the population have some sort of variant through.
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.360
Um, so addressing addressing that.
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:50.719
So things like um active folate, methylfolate, or folinic acid, making sure the B12 status is right.
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:56.719
There's also other cofactors that play a fair bit into there, like uh B2 riboflavin, zinc.
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:08.480
So they all help sort of to create um methionine, which which moves on it throughout the methylation pathway to create a molecule called SAME, uh S adenosyl methionine.
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:16.639
So that SAMe molecule then donates what they call a methyl group, which biochemically is a carbon and three hydrogens.
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:22.320
So that molecule is like cleaved off the SAME molecule and then donated throughout the body.
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:35.519
So that helps catalyze a lot of reactions and make things happen in the body, like supporting detox, like supporting neurochemistry, like supporting the creation of biopterine to help with the neurochemistry and uh energy and things like that as well.
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:44.800
So getting that pathway right um affects so many downstream things rather than just, oh, I'm just gonna focus on my detox, I'm just gonna focus on my neurochemistry.
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:51.440
Often getting that methylation side right, I've seen it in tons of patients with you know high anxiety mood issues.
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:58.960
And then I had um a guy who referred his sister to me the the other day, and um he's like, Since I saw you, my anxiety's just been gone.
00:43:59.119 --> 00:43:59.840
And it was the methylation.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:00.719
Insulation pathway.
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:06.960
We we worked on the garden craft this and went through the process, but for him, I think that was key getting that right.
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.639
And no more anxiety, it's just gone because it's a a biochemical imbalance for a lot of people that's causing it.
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:18.000
And it can be multifactorial, don't get me wrong, it's not always that simplified.
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:34.480
But it's if you're, you know, seeing a site, doing all these things, you've, you know, breathing exercises and your anxiety is not getting better, you you've got to look at the biochemical underlying things as well, because there's no way you can think straight or be calm if you've got these imbalances.
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:40.800
Um and to identify those imbalances, which is which of the tests identifies those?
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.280
And also do you use DNA to like, because that obviously also would show you.
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.360
Yeah, I I do use DNA as well.
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:57.679
Um, I don't always run that straight off the bat because the DNA, although it gives me clues into what's happening in your body, you could have um, you know, compound heterozygous for MTHFR, for instance.
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:03.920
So I know that that pathway to create uh methylfolate is, you know, somewhat impaired or 50% or thereabouts impaired.
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.440
It could be detox pathways from your DNA.
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.679
But that DNA is what you're born with and it's the DNA you're gonna die with.
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.880
So that never changes.
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:23.679
So what does change is the biochemistry in your body based on external inputs, how well you're sleeping, how well you're eating, the stress you're under, your nutrient levels, all of those things.
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.440
So I'll never treat someone solely based on a DNA test.
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:31.920
That just gives me clues as to areas where I think they're gonna need ongoing support.
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:49.360
But I want to see what's happening in their body from their actual data rather than, oh, you were born with this MTHFR defect, or your GST genes for your glutathione are impaired, you must need glutathione, or you've got this slow comp, so we need to be topping up your um or clearing your dopamine faster.
00:45:49.599 --> 00:46:01.280
So all of those um things are clues as to what's going on, but it's for me, the DNA test doesn't give you like license to treat, it's a clue.
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:15.199
And then you need the actual data, what's in their blood work, what's in their stool test, what's in their organic acids, or if you're talking about neurochemistry, what's in their, you know, uh advanced URI and uh neuro neurotransmitter test, uh, what's actually happening there?
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.000
Because that's that's that's the real data in the body.
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:18.800
Yeah.
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:20.559
And what's have you seen?
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:31.280
I'm imagining you've seen cases where people have come to you and they've previously gone straight into the detox because there's so much information about, you know, detox this without doing the detox pathways.
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.159
That can make sense of it.
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:33.199
Absolutely.
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:38.800
And that's that's where you'll see people all like crashing or getting quite sick, particularly if they're really toxic.
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:49.840
Um, a lot of people might get away with it, go straight into some detox, feel a bit better, they're okay because they're not in a uh crisis situation, not heavily detoxed, uh, and you know, their pathways may be some somewhat open.
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.840
But take uh, for instance, you know, we spoke about some mold stuff before the show.
00:46:53.920 --> 00:47:04.239
So you get some SERS patients or some people with some heavy toxic exposures or their genetics aren't so good in terms of the detoxification, they're quite blocked from because they're so toxic.
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:26.800
And then if they start to try and detox, um, you know, it's like trying to, you know, pour water down a clogged drain, it just starts to um you know fill up and overflow, and then you feel like crap, you could be crashing, and um, you know, that's where you get people laid up in bed and they just really take a take a toll on themselves because they've tried to push or stir up these toxins and they've got nowhere to go.
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:33.360
So the the body's pretty good at it either detox it or it'll kind of stash it away and try and keep it from circulating.
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:39.199
But then if you stir it up and you can't detox it, um that can cause problems.
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:45.679
And you've got your your liver and those sorts of things to detox, but you also need to make sure that the gut's functioning right as well.
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:52.880
The amount of patients I've seen that are constipated or they're only passing a stool every couple of days and they think that's normal, it's got nowhere to go.
00:47:53.360 --> 00:48:05.840
If they're not hydrating enough, um, even just for some um quite toxic people when I put them on the whole food reset, they might be a couple of weeks in and they're getting really sick and not well, and they just like think it's the worst thing ever.
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:13.280
Where other people, after three or four days, are like feeling great and and good, but and it just shows you the level of toxicity in some people.
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:19.920
And that's just from cutting out a few foods or cutting out their coffee and um, which allows the body to start detoxing.
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:29.599
But if those pathways are really blocked up, then um yeah, you get all those, you know, skin rashes and headaches and fatigue and mood issues and and all those things associated with it.
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.760
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.679
Um, okay, where were we up to?
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.440
So that was like the the biochemistry and detox, sort of the level three.
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:43.119
So we did this price of stabilization, the gut, um, the gut repair, and the biochemistry and detox.
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:49.039
So looking at that methylation, looking at neurochemistry, looking at the minerals, that's the thing we didn't talk about as well in that biochemistry.
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.440
So key mineral balancing.
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:59.119
Um, often I'll see nutrients like zinc or selenium, molebdomen, silica, those sorts of ones can often be low.
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.599
Uh, heavy metals can cause an issue as well, where they'll they'll block pathways.
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.559
So like mercury will block magnesium and zinc.
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:12.159
So when they're in the body, they change the the function of how your other nutrients work in the body.
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:28.639
So even though you your um your blood might say your your zinc is okay, when you'll see a hair test, it might be a totally different story, and you'll see some heavy metals that might be hidden in the body, which are affecting these nutrients, and they'll kind of yeah, block them or take their place.
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.280
So you don't get the function of those minerals.
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:40.159
And a lot of the minerals in the biochemistry, the minerals and the B vitamins and and other vitamins, they they they what work your biochemistry.
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:50.880
So you've got all these pathways constantly moving around to create molecules, and then they recycle and they go around different pathways again to produce these outcomes in the body, so we we function well.
00:49:51.119 --> 00:50:08.639
But if you don't have the key cofactors like the vitamins, minerals um working with them, then you get these steps going around to create molecules in the body so you know we operate well and feel good, but those steps fall over or they don't create what they're supposed to properly.
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:22.960
And then that's when you start getting symptoms like the Krebs cycle from energy with your mitochondria, or um, yeah, there's a you know, neurochemistry, all these things will not work as well as they should if those, if they're not balanced with minerals and and vitamins.
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:26.719
And a lot of that isn't tested in a normal blood test, right?
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:32.079
It can, but like your for for minerals I prefer a hair test.
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:33.440
I do run some in the blood.
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:40.079
I always run like copper in the blood and uh zinc in the blood as a comparison, but I prefer to look at a hair test for that.
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:49.519
Um, because the body's quite good at maintaining levels in the blood where you might see in the tissue in the body that there's a different story.
00:50:49.679 --> 00:51:03.679
Your your zinc or your magnesium might come back quite good in the blood, but then you're seeing your actual functional stores in the um in the tissues of the body through a hair sample of what's been excreted, um, yeah, a different picture, like functionally deficient.
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.800
So you get a truer understanding uh through there.
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:14.960
And I hear these days, you know, that very few people have sufficient um minerals because of depletion in the soils and so forth.
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:22.239
Do you recommend like broadly uh like a broad kind of mineral supplement, or is everything always based on testing?
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:23.760
I always test.
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:34.800
Um but common minerals that I do give, uh we have a formula that we get made up because it's that common that we use it, and that's got zinc, selenium, molebdamine, and silica.
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:39.039
So they're sort of four key minerals that I find are low in a lot of people.
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.679
And they're often those minerals are depleted a lot when there's accumulation of heavy metals too.
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:53.920
So even though we'll supplement those, or sometimes when we're working with heavy metals, I'll actually see those levels go down at different times because they're being used up so readily to clear heavy metals.
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:55.360
So those four are common.
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.480
Magnesium's uh another one which many people take.
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:05.519
And in our sort of lifestyles and busy and stressful for a lot of people, magnesium is one of those first things that gets burnt up.
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.960
It's also used in about 300 different enzymatic pathways in the body.
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:15.440
So it's pretty um pretty important, used a lot, and can be burned through a lot too.
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.280
So um supplementing that one's you know, for a lot of people good.
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.679
But yeah, those other four I I find, um, zinc, selenium, leptum, silica.
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:28.239
And then the other one, iodine, critically low for a lot of people.
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:35.039
And your your thyroid is um Did I lose you?
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:36.800
No, I was saying me, I iodine.
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:37.440
Come on.
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:39.280
Can you I I gotcha.
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:40.800
I lost you there for a second.
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:46.400
You were saying about iodine, and I was uh raising my hand saying that's been an issue for me for sure.
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:47.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.800
So the Western diet is pretty void of iodine.
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:55.599
So it's it's not easy to get uh unless you're eating, you know, lots of seaweed or other things.
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:01.920
You get it from some shellfish and um some things out of the ocean, but not in read readily um high amounts.
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.400
So uh that that can be an issue.
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:09.280
And I test that through the hair as well, and I'll often see that iodine is low in many people.
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:18.719
And I was saying for the thyroid, the you know, the T3 and the T4, which are your main thyroid hormones, the T3 is three molecules of iodine, the T4 is four molecules of iodine.
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.239
So that's pretty much what your thyroid is made up of is iodine.
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And when that becomes low, you get other halides, um, minerals that sort of can be taken up.
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:39.199
So, like um bromide or those sorts of things can start picking up or settling into the thyroid and contributing to thyroid disease or dysfunction in the thyroid, also.
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:40.400
Interesting.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, so there that's um, yeah, sort of key around the biochemistry and detox.
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:57.360
And then, yeah, so and then the fourth layer is pretty much once you're sort of addressing those things, and like I said, you don't have to, I'm doing this for three months, I'm doing this for three months, I'm doing this for three months.
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:03.039
It doesn't have to be like that, but don't forget about the stuff at the top before you shoot straight into hormones.
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You you've got to get that base because those things will greatly affect the things above them, like the hormones.
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.519
If you get all that right, chances are you might not need to do anything with your hormones, I'll just sort themselves out.
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.280
But then it doesn't always happen.
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And then, you know, there's there's hormones and there's lots of different phases of your life where, you know, it could be perimenopause and menopause for for women or coming into, you know, as males age as well, when you know, andhropause or just their testosterone is dropping and they're not feeling as good as they could.
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So there's a whole lot of things you can do to support through there as well.
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:45.519
So there that's the next sort of step after getting those three bases is into hormones, and then on top of that, you know, optimizing for longevity and and you know, different stacks around that.
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:52.159
So with hormones just top level for because like quite a lot of businesses are kind of in that 40 to 50 year range.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What's the kind of top level message?
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Yeah, so getting the fundamentals right, but then um looking at like for for treatment-wise and things like that.
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Again, testing, I'll always test to if you're still menstruating for a woman, we'll be running blood tests.
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:13.039
There's also like Dutch tests and salivary hormone tests that we can run, which give you a bit more detail also.
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:22.639
But as a minimum, I'd also be always be looking at at the blood around that day 19 to 21 to see what's happening with their estrogen levels, uh, what's happening with the progesterone levels.
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:37.199
Often I'll find with the, you know, those women in their 40s, sometimes a bit earlier as well, um, you know, in that perimenopause sort of stereotypical phase, um, where mood might be starting to change or the sleep might be starting to change.
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They might still be cycling, but just know that they're not feeling as good as they did before.
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.840
Often what I find is it's the progesterone that goes first.
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Everyone thinks about estrogen.
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Um, you know, with menopause, your estrogen drops out.
00:55:50.400 --> 00:56:01.039
But normally what happens first is estrogen will will cycle and it'll surge at different times through pairing menopause, but you'll find that normally that the progesterone starts to drop off.
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And progesterone is really like calming for a woman, helps with sleep uh and and balances there.
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:14.559
So if you find those things are starting to go out, um progesterone is is the focus there.
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.760
Uh there's different herbs, so viatex is a well-known one.
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.880
Uh, there's different supplements that you can use that have that.
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:27.199
Um, there's like an orthoplex 1P balance we use a bit, or but the actual liquid herd viatex is is what it is.
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:33.360
Um so that helps to your body to produce more progesterone, so it helps through that cycle.
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:37.599
Um there's also biodential hormones as well that you can use.
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:42.000
Uh some people we just use them, say, from day 14 to you know day 27.
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.039
There's like Prometrium, we can get compound of progesterone.
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:55.199
So all of those can be game changers for for women that are having issues with their cycle and you know, moods and and everything that goes with it for that disruption.
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.719
For some people, they can um you know cruise through it seemingly okay.
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.320
Others it can really be a a big disruption in in their life.
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:03.679
Yeah, yeah, brilliant.
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:09.599
And then then for for for males, um, you know, with there's different nutrients as well.
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:20.719
There's you know some well-known ones like tonkat ally and uh photogia errors, things like that, uh Demiana, there's a few um herbs and things that you can use to help support that.
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.360
Um zinc's a key one as well, which is commonly low in in males that I see.
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:31.360
But getting those fundamentals right, uh, and then you can optimize a bit through there as well.
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:47.679
And then just just back to um women, there's also herbs, it's not just the vitex for progesterone, there's there's different herbs that you can use to um help increase estrogen if you're getting the hot flushes, you know, like um red clover, black kohosh, and and different ones that um can work through there as well.
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:48.960
Excellent.
00:57:49.119 --> 00:58:09.679
Um, and then okay, they're at if I I imagine this takes quite a while, or could take quite a while, but if somebody has truly got through all those stages and followed the protocol and optimized that, and then they're at the point now where they're just trying to optimize for longevity, what would be kind of your three things that you would say focus on these three or these three?
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:13.119
Yeah, it depends on sort of their objectives and what they're looking for.
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:28.159
There's lots of um different supplements that you could go down if you know there's like reservatrol and um ECCG from green tea, you know, things to help like with um senesin cells and zombie cells and those sorts of things if you want to get right into that longevity side of it.
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:33.920
And there's sort of next level supplements that you'd sort of stack on if you want to address those sorts of things.
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:48.639
Um but as a base, like once for me, when like patients come and see me, it might it's quite common that I put on, you know, eight or ten things to address quite a few bits and pieces that are going on in their bodies, in their body, address their gut, address their biochemistry.
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:53.920
So we'll work with that, but I don't expect them to stay on that amount of things, you know, ongoing.
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:55.039
They're there for a reason.
00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:01.599
You know, that supplement might be in there for three months because that's about the period I, you know, know it works to clear it, then we'll retest.
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.519
So things will go in there for a while.
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:08.239
But and then there's certain supplements that I recommend longer term for certain people.
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:19.039
For most people, like uh a B vitamins, activated B vitamins, for me, like I was saying, that they work on all your biochemistry and they support so many pathways in your body.
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:24.639
Most people do better on a B vitamin uh regular, whether that's daily or a few times a week.
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:27.039
Um so that's probably a key one for me.
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:42.639
Uh and then also running the stool tests, I see even once we've cleared bacteria or or people that don't have dysbiotic bacteria in there, most times that their beneficial bacteria won't be as good as they could be, or they might be lacking um certain strains.
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:48.480
So rotating a good probiotic, you know, two or three different probiotics at different times, so rotating through those.
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.159
So it's probably the second key one that I'd look at.
00:59:52.320 --> 01:00:02.639
And then um pending sort of some hair testing and stuff, um, and people that see me longer term, like normally annually I'll run a hair test, I'll run, you know, extensive bloods.
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:11.119
So we can just check in on that because I don't think you should just take minerals other than magnesium long, long term, like for years without having a check-in.
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.480
But a mineral supplement as well uh is is common.
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:19.840
So those sort of three for me, and then different ages, you know, different things as well.
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:27.199
You might be in your 40s or 50s and maybe your cholesterol's starting to rise up, which it's not necessarily a bad thing if it's balanced well.
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:36.559
But things like um ubiquinol can help, also help with your mitochondria and any energy organelles, but also helps with that um you know the cholesterol utilization, also.
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:38.880
So that's that's a a good one.
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:43.199
I mentioned resveratrol, which can support various pathways as well.
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.400
So there's things that you can put in there.
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Have I lost you there?
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:49.199
Or you can still see me.
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I'm here.
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:50.159
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:52.880
Oh, my screen just went blank, but there we go.
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Uh yeah, so so those things um yeah, are probably key you can stack on there.
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:04.159
And then looking at the data, you can, you know, layering different things, um, yeah, based on what's going on.
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:10.559
You know, there's um, you know, true age, you know, genetic sort of clock tests and and a range of things that are available these days.
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Yeah, it can totally go down a rabbit hole.
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:14.239
That's brilliant.
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:21.519
And talking about rabbit holes, I think we uh I mean, there are so many things you can go down, and we have covered so you're you're amazingly knowledgeable.
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This was really, really incredible.
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Um, for the listener, I always like to end it with, okay, we've covered all these things, but if they're saying, okay, listen to this.
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Before I made any appointment, I did anything.
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If I were to take if the listener was to take away one thing, one thing that they could try on this week, what would that be?
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:43.440
Good question.
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:51.440
Um so for if you're only just going to do something on your own, um, getting the fundamentals, but most people know about those.
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:57.280
Um, and you know, looking at your diet, sleep, movement, get getting that right is is key.
01:01:57.360 --> 01:01:59.840
So a lot of people are are across that.
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:01.519
So there's that.
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:05.679
For me, understanding what's going on in your body is key.
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:07.679
And you don't have to have a practitioner for it.
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:14.960
I've got um a site I've been developing, which will grow soon, but uh myoptimalrange.com, where you can order a stool test.
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:19.199
Um, I've got some guides on there, um, where you can order an organic acid test.
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:31.440
I've got blood panels going on there in the next few weeks as well, so you can dial in, get what I talk about in the book, um your key biochemical data, so you can understand what's happening in your body.
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:36.480
Because for me, yes, you want to do the fundamentals, but you've got no idea if your zinc level is right.
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:40.239
You've got no idea if your um your gut's functioning properly.
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:41.840
That data is critical.
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:48.159
And the way um, you know, medicine and and health in general is moving, it's it has to be data driven.
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.679
And my practice has been data driven for over 10 years.
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.719
Um, and and it's the only way, in my opinion.
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Otherwise, you're guessing.
01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:01.119
So looking at that data is key, and it you don't have to see a practitioner get it.
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:03.039
It is um available out there.
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:11.840
My um online program, Functional Medicine Solution, uh, that's at functional medicinesolution.com, that takes you through what I do in detail of what we talked about.
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:19.679
So, how to interpret the testing, where there's um what what level to start at and where to start and what to address before the next thing.
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:25.599
If this um if this marker is out, these are the supplements that will help fix it.
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.519
This is probably the time frame you want to do it, how to build your own sort of case around that.
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.559
So for me, getting the data is is key.
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:33.039
Yeah.
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:45.440
So, and that triangulation of the data really helps where you've got the blood in um, you know, one area, lots of data, but you're still missing when you've got stool tests, and you're still missing if you've only got the organic acids test.
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:54.239
But putting that together, um, you know, it's it is a bit of an investment, but so is seeing practitioners or doing other things as well.
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:58.000
It's um it's probably not that much compared to what a lot of things cost.
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:04.480
And you can really get a grip on what's uh what's happening with your data and and find clues of what's going on.
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:22.320
And what I call these these health blocks, that's probably key for me, where people come and see me and they haven't been able to get better because they've got these these health blocks that's um you know, they've missed that parasite or they've missed that um methylation pathway that was imbalanced, or they've um, you know, missed that they had Hashimoto's or all of those things.
01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:29.119
Like it's just really understanding what's going on in your data, and then from there um you can just start to rebalance.
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:30.559
100% agree.
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:32.159
Well, thank you so much for your time.
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Where can people find you?
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:41.679
Yeah, so the the book you can that's on Amazon on the book, or you can um go on the website thehealinghierarchy.com.
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Uh, and then for the for the testing as well, that's at um myoptimalrange.com.
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:51.840
And then I've got my own um my own consulting site, which is jarredcooper nd.com.
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:52.559
Perfect.
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We'll put all of that in the show notes.
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Thank you again for your time.
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Great to see you, Kelly.
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Yeah, great to see you.
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Thanks.
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