The Hidden Truth Between Oral Health and Chronic Illness

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Welcome back.
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We are here with another episode of Under Contract.
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As you all know, the contracts that we make with ourselves are so important, whether it's in your health, business, professional, personal, or all of the above.
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It's very important to not only make these contracts with yourself, but to follow through with them.
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And if you've been following me for a while, you know I've been on this health journey with just kind of going down the rabbit hole and trying to figure out the best way to optimize my health.
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Not to anti-age or not to anti-do anything, but to optimize what I have.
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And having gone through breast implant illness, I've done a deep dive on everything that was a toxin in my body, hormone disruptors, and anything related to my everyday health, including whole body health.
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My question is this, because today's guests are two leading biologic dentists who each specialize in uncovering oral health, which connects to everyday health, whether it's inflammation or hormone or balance.
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And if I asked you, the audience, what if the dental work in your mouth and even the products you use every day could be quietly impacting your whole body health?
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That's the question we're going to unpack.
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And having Dr.
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Michelle Jorgensen and Dr.
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Nicole Vane on today, they are leading the charge, in my opinion, with biological approach to dentistry and why it matters more than most people realize.
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So welcome, doctors.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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I'm very, very excited about this.
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As you know, um, we were talking a little bit off camera, and Dr.
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Vane, you and I have spoken briefly about this.
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In plastic surgery, many patients aren't warned, especially when it comes to breast implants.
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They aren't warned about breast implant illness and the symptoms that appear.
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Do you feel, and I'll start with you, Dr.
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Michelle, do you feel there are similar silent risks when it comes to standard dental materials?
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Absolutely.
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Because they're just standard.
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That's the thing.
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Nearly every dentist is doing the exact same procedure, and we're just doing what we were told and taught.
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It's the standard, in fact, the phrase is used standard of care.
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It's the standard of care.
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It's the same materials, it's the same techniques that we were taught in school when I was taught, you know, 30 years ago in school.
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And the problem is there are a lot of things that research has actually uncovered that are problematic about those procedures and materials bulls that no one's talking about.
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And the problem I find is that there's often a deep resistance, not only in just the public at large, but even more so in the profession to change.
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And it's difficult.
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I remember when I first learned about how many root canals actually fail.
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And I had to swallow my pride and realize that I had done hundreds of them myself.
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Yeah.
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And I remember this one patient in particular, she came and we did a it's called a cone beam CT scan.
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It's a this a state-of-the-art uh diagnostic tool that we use to see things.
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We did a cone beam C CT scan on her, and she had three infected root canals, badly infected root canals along her lower jaw.
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And I looked at her chart and I saw that I was the one that had done all three of those root canals.
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And that's the day when you have to get real honest with yourself and say, Am I here to cover up what's going on to save my own pride and everything else?
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Or am I here to make sure that my patient receives health and the best care possible?
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And so I had to sit down knee to knee with her and say, Well, we got you 10 more years off of the out of those teeth, but it's time that they come out.
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There's infection here.
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And I did my best and they still failed.
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And that's what we see every day is even though root canals and dentists are doing their best, there's just parts of the procedure that there's nothing we can do about, and they're going to reinfect oftentimes.
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So that's I think why we get so much resistance.
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It's hard to say we were wrong.
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Yeah.
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So there that's such you are such an anomaly in this business, and both of you are, because the fact that you put the patient's true well-being uh, you know, at the very top of this, right?
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Because you you acknowledge it and you're really looking to help that patient.
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I can tell you right now, when I went through my journey, I went through a plethora of doctors who told me it was all in my head and they gaslit me in the whole nine yards.
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And I then said finally one day, when I took my health back and I said, you know what, with all due respect, doctor, you're still you're still trying to figure out this thing called medicine because you're practicing medicine.
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You haven't figured it out yet.
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With all due respect.
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Um, good points.
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So, Dr.
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Vane, what is the what is the connection between what's placed in your mouth and long-term systemic health, including information?
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And what products would you say uh lend, you know, lead towards low-grade infections?
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Oh gosh, that's a very complicated question.
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Yeah.
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Um a lot of what we're doing with our dental work is we can have foreign body reactions or sensitivities to the plastics and the materials we use.
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It could be sensitivities to the metals, or where your body is rejecting essentially your own tooth with something like a root canal, where it becomes like a foreign body to your body's inflammatory response because of the materials that we're putting inside of the tooth.
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So you can have, um, I'm trying to find the best way to answer your question because it's so layered.
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In terms of products, what's in them really matters in terms of how they're formulated, if there's again any plastics or things that we're not really warned can have a significant impact, especially as they compound within our bodies through being exposed through so many different sources throughout the day.
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Like Dr.
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Michelle, that's why you created a clean line of toothpaste products, um, is because a lot of patients are sensitive to the the ingredients in toothpaste.
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Yeah, and we're we're picking that in all day.
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So it can what we do is um on patients that can be sensitive to to metals, it could be sensitive again to to plastic, it could be to the type of filling materials we use that are deep inside the tooth, it can really cause a reaction throughout the whole body.
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Um I don't know if you're I've been on the receiving end of that, you know, um, before I knew how allergic and sensitive I was to nickel and and iodine and all these other things.
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You know, I'm going and getting standard dentistry work done, wondering why I come out of there feeling worse and having an outbreak on my face or in my mouth or what have you.
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So I think the standard of care now has shifted with biologic dentistry.
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So I'm going to ask this question to both of you, you know, and I kind of off-camera learned a little bit about Dr.
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Michelle's why.
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Um, why biologic dentistry?
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We all have a pain to purpose.
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And if you could share with me concisely what your pain to purpose was, because biologic dentistry, not everyone understands what this is, right?
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And I think with the advent of becoming more optimizing uh with our health and the things that we eat and the things that we choose to surround ourselves with, you know, homes that are healthy, you know, EMF detectors, healthy water, all the things that we're doing as a consumer, biologic dentistry is a natural fit.
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It's a natural progression for someone who's going down this path.
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So each one of you has that pain to purpose.
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If you could concisely share that with me, and Dr.
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Michelle, we'll start with you because obviously it led you to this big, you know, company with all these products and whatnot.
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What was your pain to purpose?
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So I'm a general dentist and I was practicing and thought I would be practicing forever.
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My father's actually in his late 70s and he's still practicing dentistry.
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But that's not what happened for me.
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At about 10 years in, I started getting really sick.
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It was gut health issues, memory issues.
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I couldn't complete sentences, and my hands just had such painful numbness all the way down.
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My arms, I couldn't sleep at night, I couldn't blow dry my hair, and it got to the point where I couldn't hold my instruments.
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So no doctor had an answer.
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I'd done every test, I'd taken every x-ray, I'd done everything that they recommended, and it had improved a little, but not a lot.
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So I actually put my practice for sale.
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And this was we had four young kids, this was the entire income for our family.
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We didn't know what we were gonna do.
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And at that point, I finally talked with another practitioner who said, you know, have you ever thought about mercury poisoning as a possibility?
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And the only thing I'd been taught in school is that if I told anyone that their fillings, because I knew that silver fillings are 50% for free.
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Every dentist is taught that in school, but they tell us that it's completely inert and safe once it's in that filling, no worries, no problem.
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And if you tell someone it can affect their health, you will lose your license.
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So that's what I was told in school.
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So I said, no, no, no, I don't have any fillings and you know I know that they're perfectly safe.
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And this other dentist said, Well, isn't it worth getting tested?
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Said it's not the fillings you have, it's the fillings you've been drilling out for the last decade with no protection.
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And then that was the first time I had ever heard those words.
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So I got tested, and that's what it was mercury toxicity off the charts.
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So now all of a sudden I started questioning everything because I said, this thing that's such a standard of care inside of our industry nearly cost me my life and my career.
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So what else is there?
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And honestly, I didn't have to do a lot of research because patients started asking me questions.
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As I started positioning myself this way and doing things in a different way, I thought everybody would run away screaming, like, who is this crazy woman?
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But she didn't.
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They actually was the opposite.
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She's woo-woo, she's too woo-woo for us.
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What's going on here?
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Yeah, some did leave, you know, some did leave.
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Yeah, mostly they said, Well, isn't this better for me too?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it is.
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And then they started asking me, you know, just really prov provocative questions, like, Well, what do you really know about root canals?
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I've heard some things, and what about fluoride?
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What's the real truth there?
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What do you really know beyond what they just taught you in dental school?
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And I didn't have answers for them.
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And I thought, well, if this one thing could have, you know, done this much harm and I didn't know anything about it, it's probably worth investigating these others as well.
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And so I started investigating, and that's where it took me is to a completely different place where we recognize not only the opportunity that we have to help people be well, starting in their mouth, but also the responsibility that dentists have.
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We as dentists see patients more than any other healthcare provider, maybe not more than somebody who does your hair, you know, like the beautician might be more.
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But we're we're kind of maybe just second to them.
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You know, you nobody goes to their doctor every six months like for a turnout, you know, like you do to the dentist.
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Yeah, we shouldn't.
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And we should, though.
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We should though.
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Yeah, we should.
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So I love that.
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This is my favorite question when I'm interviewing guests because it it it not that you need credibility, but it brings so much power to what you're doing, right?
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And I feel like when we experience a health crisis, and we all do at some point, that can either be our pain to purpose or we just kind of let it be more of the same.
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So I appreciate the fact that you took this and said, okay, I don't want to feel this way anymore.
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How can I not only heal, but how can I pass this on to other people and educate them and make them, you know, feel better during their journey when it comes to dentistry.
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So, Dr.
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Vane, what about you?
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What was your pain to purpose?
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Actually, like almost an identical story.
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And I think it caused me to seek so many different opinions that I found I had to get myself really educated first to start asking better questions and to find the right provider.
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So that was part of the initial part of the journey.
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Then when I was diagnosed with mercury toxicity, the doctor who ended up doing my lab said, How did you know you don't even have any silver fillings?
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And I said, I just had a feeling the symptoms I was having were correlated with the toxicity of being in the dental environment.
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We're just around so many different types of acrylics and we're just breathing it in all the time, especially when we're in school.
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So my exposure was actually in the field, also.
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We're drilling out all these fillings.
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I found out genetically that I'm a very hypersensitized individual.
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Um many of us have the same genetics who suffer from the same symptoms Dr.
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Michelle and I had.
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And so I ended up doing a detox, and then what ended up happening was my hormones regulated, and so all of a sudden everything was functioning better, my labs got perfect.
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It wasn't an easy detox process, but seeing how my Hashimoto's disease went away and my gut issues that I'd had forever turns out were related to the heavy metal, and also we identified a lot of food sensitivities.
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So understanding the difference between allergy and reaction within our body and how our bodies process things was really powerful for me and learning how I felt different after I went through the detox.
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And then also it helped me really empathize and become a lot more passionate about how to get some of these materials out of our patients' bodies.
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Um, especially the more you start to remove root canals, like Dr.
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Michelle had mentioned, and you I love looking at the extracted tooth and you see the gangrene and like the little metal files we use sticking out of the ends of it.
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And then I look at the X-ray, and sometimes you can see these things, and sometimes you can't.
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And a lot of times, too, when we're cleaning out some of these infections, they're so much bigger than they look on an X-ray.
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And the mouth might even look completely normal when you're just looking with our traditional dental eyes.
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And so all of that has been really enlightening on seeing how patients get so much better right away, or how they they feel really differently, either lighter or their brain fog goes away, or some other random symptoms they were having.
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So a lot of that has helped me become more passionate about investigating what their root cause may be, right?
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Because a lot of times it's not obvious.
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So when you decided to get into biologic dentistry, and this can be for either of you or both of you, you know, what what was it besides your own health journey?
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And for the lay person watching, what exactly is a biological dentist?
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I mean, I know, but what what would you say in layman terms?
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So I'm gonna answer this one because I had to struggle with myself a little bit.
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First, the only term that I knew to call myself was a holistic dentist.
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But that term holistic comes with some baggage.
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That way.
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People imagine that you're wearing tie-dye and you're doing the peace science and you've got beads hanging in your doorway, smoking incense and all these kinds of things.
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And especially inside of the profession, they say, Oh, that's not science back.
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That's just all about stories.
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And that's really how it's positioned.
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And so I, in fact, if if anyone comes to my practice, they'll say, Well, you are like the most technologically advanced dental practice I've ever been to in my whole life.
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I'm like, Yes, because we actually have to defend everything we do.
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Every other dentist, is anyone asking them questions?
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Is anyone putting their feet to the fire saying, Well, show me research to prove what you're doing?
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They're just going with the flow over there.
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So we actually have to prove it.
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If I stop calling myself a holistic dentist, biologic is a step up from that, but it actually people don't know what it means.
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So I like to call myself a health-based dentist.
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Basically, it's how does the health of the mouth affect the health of you?
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And how does the health of you affect the health of the mouth?
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It's just, it's all the same you.
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So why shouldn't it be connected head to toe?
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So that's why I like to call it health-based.
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Basically, I can tell you if you have diabetes, I can tell you if you if you have heart disease, I can tell you if if you have tongue issues or gut issues just for looking in your mouth.
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Yeah.
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So that's what health-based dentistry means.
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I love that.
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You head to toe.
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Yeah, and that's so true because you treat the whole person, right?
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And and in breast implant illness, it's the same, same approach, right?
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You know, we've got these implants in your body that are, you know, covered in silicone and all them heavy metals and all the toxins, but the saline, as we were told, you're fine because it's saline.
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Your body's comprised of saline anyway, you're gonna be okay.
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And back then there was no black black box warning, right?
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So when you put these, you know, and this goes back to what's in your mouth.
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When you put these foreign objects in your mouth, whether it's a mercury filling or anything else, it's going to cause issues.
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Um, let's let's go let's go back to the mercury aspect of it, Dr.
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Michelle.
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So beyond mercury, what risks come from plastics, BPA, and additives and fillings and even the sealants?
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So, Dr.
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Vandermiel, you, it's your turn.
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You're up next.
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Why do you have our sealants?
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Well, um, in terms of what, well, BPA, for instance, a lot of them are hormone disruptors.
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There's a lot of materials that people are sensitive to in the resin cascade process that we use for bonding.
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And essentially, like once it's in your tooth, you're swallowing it all day long.
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It's exposed to an acidic environment.
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Things can become even more reactive when they're in contact with saliva.
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Um, I'm even worried about the compounding effect of people who get the acrylic nails and then the nail polish and then they TPO.
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Yeah, they get all these different hair dyes and then using eyelash glue.
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All these things stack, and it it might just be the one filling that we do that is the straw that broke the camel's back.
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And then people become hyper-reactive.
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So it's not just one material that we can always pinpoint.
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It's it's how they compound with each other sometimes, can make the biggest impact with people, especially once they're ill.
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So, like with breast implant illness, it's usually not obviously pain in your breast that you notice first, right?
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It's a reaction maybe on your skin or or somewhere else where it shows up that's downstream of the area that starts causing um issues with, again, it's not necessarily the saline, it's how the breast implants encapsulate it.
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It can be the same with some of our cements that we use, or um the titanium in the implant can react with another implant throughout your body.
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So I I think that it's more the compounding effect than just the one ingredient.
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Fluoride, for instance, is not harmful if you just paint it on the outside of an enamel in a test tube.
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But then it's when you're swallowing it in the water sources and we're we're applying it on the teeth, and then we have it in every filling material, and then we have it in every toothpaste.
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It's the compounding effect throughout your body that can have the most detrimental effects.
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And it's like that with anything else, right?
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Like you just mentioned five different things that women typically do, right?
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Between the false eyelashes and all these other things.
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I mean, how are you able to rule out by a process of elimination what's causing you issues when you've got five different things that are triggering your immune response?
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And what I learned through my journey is, Tammy, you're not allergic to that.
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You're having an immune response to it.
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So what's what where does the immune response and the immune modulation take place in your gut, right?
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So if you've got all these issues going on in your mouth, all these issues going on in your body, or you're reacting to the glue on your eyelashes, how are we able to know?
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As practitioners, how are you able to know?
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But when you do your testing, when you do your assessments, you can tell, just like Dr.
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Michelle said, whether a person has diabetes or not just by looking at their mouth, right?
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So it's a compounding effect, which I love that.
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So um, Dr.
00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:56.799
Michelle, so in your opinion, why is moving from metal to zirconia or ceramic implants so important from a materials and biocompatibility standpoint?
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So a lot goes exactly on what Dr.
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Vane was just talking about.
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I'll always remember two patients that changed my mind for this.
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So one of them we placed a titanium implant on.
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It was in, it was right when I was about to change.
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And um I have one in my mouth right now as we speak.
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So do I.
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And Dr.
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Vane's going to remove it.
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I'm going to be a guinea pig for her in about three weeks, and I can't wait to get all this stuff taken care of.
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Very good.
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Yeah.
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So I placed the titanium implant on this woman, and she had excruciating pain.
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And it was right in a place that's near a nerve.
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And so I thought, oh no, we just got a little too close to the nerve, you know.
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So I backed the implant out, pain went away.
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We decided we were going to put this back in again in about three months.
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Put it back in in three months, pain excruciating, called me all weekend long.
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You've got to get this thing out of here.
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I can't stand it anymore.
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Took it out.
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She was so gun shy to put anything in, but I said, I've just learned these new ceramic implants.
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Let's just give them a try.
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She finally consented, put the ceramic implant in.
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Not a second trouble ever.
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So that was just an overload issue.
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She had just had too much.
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She'd had some back surgery.
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She had some pins, screws, and some things in her back, and it was just too much.
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Her body said, Time, time out, I can't do it.
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Another one, we'd put an implant in, metal implant, titanium implant.
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She couldn't wear any jewelry after that.
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Every place that a necklace would touch her skin or earrings would touch her skin would turn bright red and just fiery red.
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Again, it was just overload.
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So the problems with titanium are twofold.
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Number one, they corrode.
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So the mouth is wet, dark, damp, warm, like all these things, the perfect situation for corrosion.
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And what corrosion is, is just little pieces coming off.
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Now, every single research study that's researched around titanium implants shows that there are titanium particles in the bone and the gum tissue surrounding the implant.
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Well, that is a foreign body that your body is going to create a reaction to.
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So you are going to have a hyper reaction to that no matter what.
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Every single titanium implant in anyone's body, your body is going to identify this as an invader, and it's going to set up what they're called cytokines, these inflammatory signals saying trouble, something's going on.
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So that's problem number one.
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No matter what.
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Every single titanium implant, yours and mine both, too.
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Oh, it's no wonder I'm having all these issues.
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Darn it.
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Number two is frequencies in our world.
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And this one is a very fascinating one.
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So we're surrounded by I mean, how is what I'm doing right now talking on my screen getting to the person listening to it?
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Well, it's coming through waves in the air.
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These are called frequencies.
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And metal will start to the metal particles will vibrate in frequencies.
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This is why you can't put a metal pan in a microwave because there's frequencies of energy that pass through and heat it up.
00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:50.799
Well, the same thing's happening with titanium dental implants.
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As the waves increase in our world, as we're just bombarded with Wi Fi and 5G and everything else, the waves increase.
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What they've discovered.
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And this was in the orthopedic world, shoulders, knees, hips, and there's many more of those dentists, you know, dental dental implants, it's heating the titanium up about four to five degrees.
00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:13.200
And does that matter?
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:17.759
Well, what's slowly doing is cooking the bone around the dental implant.
00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:21.279
And there is actually an increase in loss of dental implants.
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And we as dentists in the dental, the dental industry blames it on everything else.
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They blame it on, oh, there's gum disease here, and oh, the cement got down too far, and all of these other reasons.
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And nobody's saying, actually, it's Wi-Fi that's cooking the bone.
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10,000%.
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So the beauty of ceramic is it's non-conductive, so it doesn't.
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So we don't have to worry about all the waves that we're surrounded by.
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I mean, we might worry about them for other reasons, but not for dental implant reasons.
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The second one is it's non-corrosive.
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So nothing is gonna break off and embed in the tissues around.
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And when we look at them in the mouth, Dr.
00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.039
Vane can corroborate this, the gums just like them.
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Oh, yeah.
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:09.359
Like they just surround them, they're they're pink and healthy, and it just looks completely different than when you have a metal implant in the mouth.
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.079
So for me, there's no discussion.
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There's no question.
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Ceramic is the way to go, especially because we know in our world we're gonna have more frequencies.
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We're gonna have more overload, we're gonna have more of these issues.
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We need to do whatever we can to eliminate it in the mouth.
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:36.160
There's so many parallels here with breast implant illness and these implants that you're putting in the mouth, whether it's you know, titanium or or otherwise, that causes the body to respond the way that it does.
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:40.640
And I find it very interesting the parallels that are going on.
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It's making me go back to when I was going through my health health and you know wellness journey with breast implant illness, how my mouth was such a big issue, the issues in my mouth, and I didn't even know it.
00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.559
I thought, oh, I removed the breast implants, I'm good.
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.680
But then these chronic issues kept happening up here, right?
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.920
So of course I by deduction thought, oh, let's look at my mouth, what's going on?
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.359
Um, so Dr.
00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:13.920
Vane, in your practice, are you seeing more patients, uh, more patients rather connect chronic symptoms like fatigue or inflammation back to their dental work when they sit when they come to your chair for the first time?
00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:19.039
Because I know you get a lot of patients that come through that have had previous work done and they sit in your chair.
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:24.319
Are you seeing a lot of connection there with chronic infections or pre when on previous work that's been done?
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:28.960
Uh I am seeing connection based on reading their health history and their symptoms.
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Patients are seeking answers, but I would say a lot of them have no idea that it's actually their mouth causing them the symptoms.
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:41.440
So, like even my own hygienist, she never had tooth pain.
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Her mom's a dentist, her sister's a dentist, her other family members are dentists.
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She had a trauma in the second grade.
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She started to feel really weird.
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She's having a lot of anxiety, brain fog issues, whatnot.
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We took a scan.
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She's got a giant infection around one of her teeth.
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But it was never tooth pain.
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She never said, This hurts if I push on it.
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And, you know, so it's, I'm seeing a lot of correlations myself where I'm able to deduce saying, wow, this is going on or all.
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.759
I'm sure Dr.
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.279
Michelle, I know you do this too.
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.000
Go tell me, like, are you having any gut issues?
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Have you ever heard of leaky gut?
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:16.559
Have you heard of this?
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:18.319
Do you ever get rashes on your skin?
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And people will start opening up more.
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And sometimes you just see their eyes go wide.
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:25.359
Like, how did you know that?
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:44.799
And a lot of times it's because patients who do have these hidden infections, failing root canals, airway issues, or really bad bugs in their mouth do have a really obvious straight-line correlation with some of these other diseases like diabetes, Alzheimer's, um, autoimmune specifically.
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:50.079
Um, a lot of a lot of issues come from the mouth, and patients are looking for answers.
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:51.839
Like, gosh, I've been all over.
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.960
I'm really suffering, and I think this has got to be the only last thing that we haven't looked at.
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.519
And oftentimes there is an answer right there.
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:06.079
And it's such a, in my opinion, and after we finish this interview, I'll probably think even more about it.
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:10.319
It is such, it is the biggest cause, in my opinion.
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:14.400
Because, you know, there's one thing to have your gut microbiome be in balance and check, right?
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:21.200
But your oral microbiome has every it is equally, if not as more important to have in place and in balance.
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.400
Um, so Dr.
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:30.640
Michelle, in your opinion, why do you feel there isn't more transparency from traditional dentistry around material risks?
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:34.079
Well, you're gonna hear my opinion right now.
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.039
In your opinion.
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:42.480
In my opinion, let's take the example of the mercury fillings that made both Dr.
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:43.920
Vane and I ill.
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In the world we live in, particularly in the United States, if the American Dental Association were to say that all mercury fillings are dangerous to anyone, they actually have the FDA has come out and say, said they do not recommend it in children under the age of six or pregnant women, which I think, well, if not them, then why anyone?
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:05.920
That's the first question I always ask.
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:22.799
But if the American Dental Association, the FDA, were to say that these mercury fillings are toxic, they're harmful to your help, really any of the things that research studies have now said, every single dentist who has placed or removed a silver filling would be under class action lawsuit.
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.759
Are there black box warnings?
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.880
Are there black box warnings associated with this or no?
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:29.920
No, no.
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:31.680
Ah interesting.
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:37.680
Every single dentist would be under a class action lawsuit because we live in the United States and we live in a very litigious society.
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.559
So who pays the American Dental Association?
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.799
Do you pay the American Dental Association dues?
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:43.519
No.
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:44.559
I do.
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.960
You know, every other dentist, we pay the dues.
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:50.240
So the American Dental Association is there to protect the profession.
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:56.880
And they know that if they were to change their stance on this, that the profession would be at legal risk.
00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.359
So their job is to keep us safe.
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.359
So they can't say these things.
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:07.680
That's why we as dentists have to share these things ourselves because it will not come from inside of the profession.
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:18.480
It will be it will come from you and other people just like you who are demanding something different and saying, we are only going to go to someone who's doing this and understanding this.
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:23.599
And that demand will ask enough that the profession will have to set up.
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.640
They've already started to pay a little attention about fluoride.
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.079
All of a sudden, this is starting to become a little bit more of a thing.
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:39.440
Not because the profession has said that the change needs to happen, but because you and all who are listening are saying we want something else.
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:40.160
Yeah.
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.799
So I was just gonna add to that.
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.880
It's also true with vaccine injury.
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:56.079
I see a lot of vaccine injured patients that are like, I got the most recent round of big vaccines, and then I started having this issue.
00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.319
My eyebrows fell out, I had chronic fatigue, I couldn't get out of bed.
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:05.039
Uh, one of my patients who was 28 had a heart attack immediately after getting one of these vaccines.
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.640
And the medical industry doesn't want to say this is correlated.
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:19.680
You will find doctors who do, but it's you you are uh uh up are facing a backlash against your own community who are protective of our profession.
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:28.799
So it's it's hard because you um you risk being attacked for standing up on what you believe in and what we see and know to be true in our own patients.
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:45.119
So we can still choose to not place mercury, but we're not really allowed to publicly go out and tell everyone if you do this, you know, or if you have it unsafely removed, or if you're still placing it, that you're in the wrong and you're actually harming your patients.
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.519
No dentist wants to be labeled that way.
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:48.400
It's amazing.
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:57.680
And I and again, the parallels in the in the uh breast implant illness where the few doctor, the few surgeons who perform explants, again, that they're faced with that same thing, right?
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.440
Because they cannot legally tell you, do not do this, right?
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.920
Do not do because big pharma's too much money when it comes to implant surgeries.
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.960
Breast augmentations is a multi-million dollar business, right?
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.400
So they can't legally come out and say, I can't, you can't do this, right?
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:17.519
I don't know what the legal ramifications are, but what the patient wants, the patient wants.
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.240
Um, so to follow up with that, uh, Dr.
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:30.079
Vane, you know, before any permanent materials are placed, what's the number one question patients, in your opinion, should ask their dentist?
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:32.319
Oh.
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.400
Um Dr.
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:34.960
Michael.
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Before any permanent material is placed, yeah.
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.680
Before anything's placed, what's what's the number one question a patient should ask you?
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:49.519
Well, I feel like it's on the patient to really vet the dentist and make sure they're they're even aware that there's a correlation.
00:30:49.759 --> 00:31:04.079
So if they're already in a biologic dentist's office, I would ask the dentist more about their opinion on materials like how do you choose which material are you going to use for a crown?
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:10.880
Most of us use one of two materials, either lithium disilicate or zirconia.
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.920
Um, most of us are metal-free, so I would ask if they're a metal-free practice.
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.039
I would ask if they place titanium implants.
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.200
It'll help you better understand and uncover the doctor's philosophy.
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.640
How do they feel about root canals if you have them?
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.839
Um, those are some of the places I would start.
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:30.319
Right.
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.319
Um, biocompatibility testing.
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.000
Not every patient is so sensitive that they need to have a full panel.
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:43.759
We can actually do a test to discover almost every dental material we use in an office.
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:48.240
It'll tell you if you are reactive to one material versus another.
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:56.880
But um, on the whole, I would just ask if they are metal free or titanium-free or what their philosophy is about those first.
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:02.400
And I feel like the layperson, they don't necessarily know the importance of that being present, right?
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.839
So when they, by the time they come to you, either one of you, they have some knowledge of what you're providing.
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.960
And they know that this could be the missing component in their puzzle that has yet to be solved.
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:13.920
Um, Dr.
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:21.759
Michelle, and in your practice, what are some of the biggest red flags you look for during a dental assessment that you're doing?
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:27.440
So, like I talked about earlier, that cone beam CT scan is really it's a non-negotiable.
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:27.839
Yeah.
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:38.000
And um the the first time I remember really deciding I needed to use the scan as a patient that was complaining about an old root canal and not even complaining, just saying it's always a bother.
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:39.119
Like I just don't know why.
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:40.480
It just never feels right.
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.079
So we took a regular dental x-ray, the kind that everybody uses, right?
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:45.279
The one that goes in your mouth.
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:46.640
Everybody's had these before.
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.680
Take a regular dental x-ray, and I said, it looks fine.
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.880
But I had just gotten my new cone beam CT machine.
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.400
So I said, let's go take a scan.
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:55.359
Let's just go see.
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:57.759
Took the scan and my jaw just dropped.
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:04.720
There was literally a quarter-size hole that had been eaten away in her jawbone above the end of this tooth that I couldn't see.
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.720
So dentists can't see it.
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:11.440
It's not that they're ignoring the problems that are there, they can't see the problems that are there.
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:13.599
So that's the first thing that we look through.
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:22.559
And what I do is I literally go through from the side of your head all the way through your ear, your airway, your sinuses, your teeth, and then all the way out the other side.
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.680
Jaw joint, we're looking at everything all the way across.
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:27.839
So that is a non-negotiable.
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.839
And then we start to put the puzzle together.
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:49.519
We start to look at signs of inflammation, which are going to show up as autoimmune disease, often multiple autoimmune diseases, as heart disease, high blood pressure, things like not sleeping well, having a real difficult time going to sleep at night, waking up fatigued even though you felt like you've slept a long time.
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:49.839
Yeah.
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:56.240
These are all things that people don't put two and two together and say, I think that's from my teeth.
00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.240
My Hashimoto's disease, I believe it's my tooth that's a problem.
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:01.759
Nobody's saying that.
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.640
So we as dentists, that's our job, is to put those puzzle pieces together.
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.159
So we ask all the questions.
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.599
Tell us what's going on.
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:10.639
How are you feeling?
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.800
What is your body struggling with right now?
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.760
And then we use those really refined diagnostic tools like this scan.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.639
We say, ah, this makes so much sense.
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:21.360
You know what?
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.280
I am just amazed that you're doing as well as you are right now in your life.
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.519
I'm amazed that you keep up with those three little kiddos because you don't sleep, do you?
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.039
And then they start to sob.
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.599
And they say, How did you know?
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:35.760
Oh, I don't know how I'm keeping up either.
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.000
And we say, Guess you can't breathe.
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.039
Look, oh my God.
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.320
This is a massive infection in your sinus from this failed recoin of no wonder.
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:57.519
And that's really where the beauty in what we do comes, is when we are able to put pieces together for patients with things they've been struggling with for sometimes decades, having no answer.
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:02.159
I I feel so sad when I'm when I am the seventh dentist or the seventh doctor on the list.
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.679
You know, I think, oh, if only people knew to come to us first.
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.039
And it's really interesting.
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:08.639
I went and trained in Switzerland.
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.079
And when I trained there, it there is a model where it's a dentist and a doctor side by side in a practice.
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:22.559
And they explained to us, they said, 60 to 80 percent of disease is going to be taken care of by the dental work we are going to do.
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.800
And we can get that done within six months' time.
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:26.320
Like we're gonna just knock it all out of there.
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:33.519
In fact, most of it's done on the first or second visit, and then the doctors have to take over for the remainder 20 to 40 percent.
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:44.559
And it might take them years to clean up the rest, but we can do so much to get on top of disease and to bring people back to their life that they've always wanted.
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.000
And that's the beautiful thing.
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:52.079
So we see lots of warning signs, but the key is finding a dentist that can turn those warning signs into answers for you.
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:53.840
So let's talk a little bit about.
00:35:53.920 --> 00:36:03.599
I know in breast implant illness, you know, there's no true test that can be done to, you know, to show a woman that she's experiencing breast implant illness.
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.679
I wish there were a sampling opportunity.
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:16.400
I know when it comes to dentistry, um, are there opportunities for you to sample, right, anything that's going on in their mouth to find out what illnesses might be presenting themselves?
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.039
Yeah.
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:25.840
I mean, we can do a microscope slide, chair side, which will show some of the most pathogenic bacteria in your mouth, spirochetes, amoebas, trichinomas.
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.079
Like none of these bad bugs will exist in a healthy environment.
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:30.639
Right.
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.199
And they also won't exist around really healthy teeth.
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.440
There has to be other issues going on for those types of bugs to manifest.
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:46.400
We can do a full salivary panel, which will show the correlations between diabetes, Alzheimer's dementia.
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:58.320
Some a lot of cancers will show up in the mouth first because types of bacteria from the mouth can cross the blood-brain barrier, across other areas into the breast, into the colon, especially.
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.559
Um, and then we can also look for some other autoimmune factors.
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:03.599
It'll test you.
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:09.119
You can find out if there's Lyme disease starting in the mouth, ephthine bar, yeah, subclinical shingles.
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.800
It's really interesting because until someone has a flare, we don't really know.
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.679
But we can actually see that the bacteria are present all the time if they have anything harmful going on.
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:21.760
So I do love that we can sample.
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:28.000
And then again, I love that a lot of these issues will show up on the X-rays, also, the 3D comi we were talking about.
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:40.079
Because again, like one of my patients who had breast implant illness, her issues were with her joints fatigue, and then she kept having full body hives that went on for about a year.
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.480
And they told her just to take um steroid shot, whatever.
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:44.800
Yeah.
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:46.400
Yep, for the rest of her life.
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:46.719
Yeah.
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:48.000
To take them around the clock.
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:53.199
And sometimes it would be her whole body, sometimes it would be one arm, but it was so disruptive she couldn't even work.
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:53.679
Yeah.
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.800
And she took it upon herself to get some of her dental materials out.
00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:02.480
Then she finally got her breast implants out and then never had an issue, even since the day after the surgery.
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:09.039
And so unfortunately, until you take those out, you don't really know if there's a correlation or not.
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:16.559
And then also you want to know, at least for me, I like sampling the teeth I take out to see what type of bugs and pathogens are around them.
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:30.000
And I would love it if more surgeons were doing that too, so they could really see that there is truly a correlation between what can be encapsulated in there and what's going on with symptoms outside of the breast themselves.
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:36.239
Well, you know, and I'll say this, I've said this many, many times when it comes to, you know, breast implant illness and having an implant in there.
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:37.599
It's a petri dish, right?
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:41.119
And I and our mouths are very much a petri dish, right?
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:42.880
For any, right?
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:43.599
And when Dr.
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:51.599
Michelle brought that up about, you know, the corrosion and whatnot, there is so much opportunity in our mouth for so many different things.
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.400
It it is a petri dish times 10.
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:56.000
And people don't even know it, right?
00:38:56.079 --> 00:39:04.559
Like for my and again, I bring it back to my experience, my ear issues constant, my eye issues, I know it's all related to what's going on in my mouth.
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.599
I know it for a fact.
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:13.599
And I know I'm already fast-forwarding in my mind when this surgery happens, how much better I'm going to feel and how all these symptoms are going to go away immediately.
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:19.199
You know what's what's wild too, that I've really gotten into the woo-woo side is the emotional component too.
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.480
There's so many emotions that are held in our jaws and our mouth.
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:22.639
Yeah.
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.159
Embedded trauma.
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.880
And also a lot of people, their symptoms manifest emotionally first.
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:37.440
It's either from the lack of sleep or the fact that they're they're feeling so on edge because their body's fighting something that they don't know what it is.
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:37.679
Yeah.
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:49.760
So you're in constant fight or flight, which becomes really fatiguing and it will manifest as perimonopausal symptoms, mood swings, depression, um, super agitation.
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.519
There's a lot of emotional issues that'll manifest in the mouth first, too.
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:59.519
And I think that that's really interesting because it can be um so disruptive for people in their relationships.
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:00.719
Yeah, no, it can be.
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.039
And and and again, and it goes back to just this the storage of it, right?
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:13.920
The storage of all of the uh of the unprocessed trauma and it it and it can manifest in so many different ways in your mouth, right?
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:18.800
I know for me, it's it could be, you know, you're tight the jaws when you grind at night, right?
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:25.440
I mean, that that right there is a whole different ballgame as far as, you know, unresolved emotions, right?
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:26.159
Yeah.
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:26.559
Yeah.
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:31.760
And so it's just a lot of people, especially women, feeling not like themselves.
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:32.960
Yeah.
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:34.960
They're living outside of their bodies.
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:35.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:48.159
And I think being able to correlate that with an actual foreign body or dental material or some low-grade infection, I think is really empowering for a lot of people.
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:57.280
Um, just because it they finally feel like they're they're able to clear out this issue that they felt going on, they just didn't know what it was.
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:02.159
And it and they're being heard for the first time when when otherwise, and again, I'm pulling from my own experience, right?
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.920
When you're gaslit by people you're supposed to trust in this profession, right?
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.679
And you find someone like yourself and Dr.
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:15.199
Michelle who are empathetic, who are caring, who are understanding, who truly want to peel back the layers and find out what's really happening with this person.
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:32.000
Just based on your expertise in your profession, you know, but let's peel back these layers and see what's really going on to give this person relief, whether they're a woman or a man, but women primarily, because we have hormones, you know, disruptors, and we have all these issues with peri, pre- and post-menopause, it's all related, right?
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.239
And if you can have someone like yourself or Dr.
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:43.280
Michelle really listen to you and go off of the testing, go off of what you're seeing visually and peel back the layers and get this person some relief.
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:49.039
That to me is worth its weight in gold because not a lot of doctors do that, not a lot of practitioners do that.
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.000
They don't take the time because there's too much money in big pharma, right?
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:57.760
There's too much money in just pushing what the narrative is versus so indoctrinated with that, right?
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.639
If you have a DC, it doesn't matter even identifying what the cause is.
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.280
The average chemist will call you on an antibiotic, not even knowing if that's anything that will benefit you.
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.599
It's like what are you treating, what infection are you treating?
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:11.199
Oh, let's just see some ammoxicillin.
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.440
Well, that's like a standard coverall for everything, right?
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:14.880
Well, what exactly are you treating?
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:15.599
Okay, Dr.
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:16.079
Jorgens.
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:26.639
So, so Jorgensen, so tell me how do dental materials and oral care products act as chronic low-grade stressors over the body over time.
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.440
You know, there's a whole variety of dental products.
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.159
So we can, you know, do we want to talk about mercury?
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.239
Do we want to talk about root canals?
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.039
Do we want to talk about the products that we put in our mouth?
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.000
You know, it's across the board, all of those kinds of things.
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.039
So let's just start with first of all, the products that we use, right?
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:53.760
And I know that that was part of your story, that you were using a lot of toxic products and found that your body wasn't able to be well when you were doing that.
00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:02.480
So if you look at the back of your toothpaste or you look at the back of your mouthwash, what you're gonna notice is that most of the ingredients you can't pronounce, right?
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.079
You're looking through and you're thinking, I don't have a clue what this is.
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:20.480
Not only that, but it is absolutely synthetic material that's used in the lab and largely put there to make it so that that toothpaste has a better mouthfeel, or it foams up better, or it's whiter.
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:25.840
They're not actually there to do you benefit for a good reason for you.
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:36.960
So most of the things in those products are simply there to make them not dry out in the tube or look a pretty pink color when you're drinking the bubblegum flavor mouthwash or whatever it might be.
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:46.400
So all of those things that are additive are not only not intended to be there for a useful purpose, but they're often the exact opposite.
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:53.679
They're often doing things that your body doesn't want and it's trying to get rid of them, and it's causing a lot of inflammation in the system.
00:43:54.000 --> 00:44:04.239
So when I started actually creating product myself, it certainly wasn't something that I got into because I I've always dreamed, you know, it's not I was a little girl and I was dreaming about creating tooth care products.
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.559
You know, that's yeah, that's not the story.
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.079
That wasn't your that wasn't your nighttime like journal entry.
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.079
Right, right.
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:18.159
No, but I I started working with a lot of prominent people in the health and wellness world as patients.
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:22.559
And I started working with one that does a lot of manufacturing of clean products.
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.559
And finally I just said, I can't find something that I really like.
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.719
Have you ever been interested in creating one?
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.159
And she said, Yeah, I the hardest part is the formulation, the making it.
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:33.840
So if you can make it, I can market it.
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.440
I said, All right, well, let's figure this out.
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.239
So I literally in two weeks had made it in my kitchen.
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:39.039
I'm a cook.
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.719
I love to put things together.
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:47.360
So I created this product in my kitchen and I only put in the things that I knew would actually be beneficial.
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.559
And because of that, I didn't make a toothpaste.
00:44:50.719 --> 00:45:02.559
I made a tooth powder because I couldn't figure out how to make a paste without putting in all the things I didn't want, like sodium lauryl sulfate, which is a foaming agent, but it also creates a lot of issues.
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.880
I couldn't figure out how to do it without glycerin.
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.960
Glycerin gets in the way of things getting into the tooth and remineralizing well.
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:13.360
I couldn't figure out how to do it with things like titanium oxide, which is a colorant.
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.159
It just basically makes it a bright white color.
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:17.360
It has nothing to do with you.
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.559
And in fact, it creates titanium overload and oftentimes metal sensitivity and reactivity in the body.
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.239
I couldn't figure out how to do it.
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:30.559
So I created a tooth powder and million, million bottles sold later, we actually do have a toothpaste now.
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.920
I figured out how to do it now using some other things.
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:43.360
But that's what you need to realize is if you want to actually eat what's on the label, you shouldn't put it in your mouth because you are swallowing a large amount.
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:54.880
I mean, we've done research studies, it's like 7% of your toothpaste you're swallowing, but 7% of unpronounceable lab ingredients that aren't there to actually do something beneficial.
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:55.840
Maybe we should.
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:56.800
Yeah.
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:58.000
So that's interesting.
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:08.960
So that leads me to, so given that there probably is a high probability of systemic inflammation because of the fact that, again, and I I take this approach with everything I eat, right?
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.599
If it's more than three ingredients, it's not happening, right?
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:18.559
Which which which which your story is pain to purpose, which I feel like all of us have a pain to purpose story, which it leads us to do what we do.
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:30.400
So with the systemic inflammation that does occur with some of these over-the-counter products, for example, that aren't your products because you've obviously done your due diligence and you and you know what you're what you're putting into your body.
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:37.519
How much of these uh over-the-counter or commercial brands would you say are also hormone disruptors?
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:43.039
So the interesting hormone disruptor is largely the fluoride in them.
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:43.920
Oh my goodness.
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:44.960
Talk about this.
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.199
Oh Mike, okay, wait, hold on a second.
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.440
Because the marketing campaign, Dr.
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:55.119
Jorgensen, around fluoride treatment and fluoride, this is going to blow people away.
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:56.800
Okay, please let's go into this.
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.280
Yes, because and it's coming from inside the dental world.
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:08.159
You know, any dentist that you talk to that's been traditionally trained, and we all have, there is no such thing as a alternative or a holistic dental dental school.
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.880
You know, so we are all trained the exact same way.
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:14.400
We find our way to a different path from for other reasons, right?
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:21.599
So we're all trained that fluoride is the save all, it's the end all, be all for dentistry.
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.920
So let's talk a little bit about the genesis of that.
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:28.639
So, first of all, fluoride actually does work, it does strengthen teeth.
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:29.440
It absolutely does.
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.199
There's a lot of research to prove this.
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:37.039
In the 1940s, they found some different societies that were getting more fluoride naturally.
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.599
They had higher fluoride in their wool in their well water.
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.599
And they said, Oh, their teeth actually don't get cavities as easily.
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.800
They had kind of brownish, whitish splotches on them.
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.840
They didn't look real great, but they also didn't take cavities.
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:58.000
So they said, okay, if we can control the level of fluoride, if we can do less than they're getting, then I think that we could literally eliminate cavities.
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.920
So let's put it in toothpaste, let's put it in mouthwash, let's put it in the water, let's put it in the city.
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:02.960
Everything here.
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:05.440
And we'll and we'll be able to eliminate cavities.
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.000
So the first thing I always ask is, did it work?
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.480
Has anyone had a cavity since 1940?
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:13.760
Yes.
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:15.119
Exactly.
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.480
I'm like, that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:18.880
Right.
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:20.400
Multiple cavities.
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:22.800
Yes, there have been cavities since 1940.
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.920
So we know it didn't achieve its ultimate goal, right?
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.159
Of completely eradicating tooth decay.
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.320
So we know it didn't do that.
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:31.440
Does it strengthen teeth?
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:32.400
Yes, it's great.
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:45.679
But the problem is that anything we put in our body, and this is what you're talking about with improving your health and changing your diet, anything you put in your body, it affects every single cell, which one you want it to affect.
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:51.840
So fluoride does strengthen a tooth, non-debatable, but it's also going to affect every other cell.
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.679
So what are some of those other cells?
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Well, the first thing is it does swap out the calcium in the enamel.
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:02.639
So the enamel is it's the mineral of the enamel is called hydroxyapatite.
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.559
Well, fluoride, yep, hydroxyapatite, that's what teeth are actually made of.
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:08.079
That's a buzzword right now.
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:09.360
That's such a buzzword right now.
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So when you smile, you're looking at hydroxyapatite, okay?
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It's a mineral complex.
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When fluoride is introduced, it pushes calcium out of that mineral complex and it replaces it and it becomes fluorapatite.
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Well, fluorapatite is stronger, but also slightly more brittle.
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The problem is that guess what else makes uh uses hydroxyapatite?
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Our bones.
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Our bones and our teeth are both made of hydroxyapatide.
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.679
So stronger but more brittle bones is a problem, correct?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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We're seeing now issues with bone density and volatile brittleness because the fluoride doesn't just affect the teeth cells, it affects the bone cells too.
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So that's strike number one in my mind.
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Strike number two is the one you're asking about, which is hormone disruption.
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So the thyroid, thyroid hormone is activated by iodine.
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And this is very well known.
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It's activated by iodine.
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Well, fluoride and iodine are cousins.
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If you remember back to junior high chemistry class on the periodic table, they're sitting right next to each other.
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We've got fluoride, iodine, chlorine, bromine, they're all cousins.
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Again, fluorine, fluoride is the bigger, is the bigger bully.
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So it will actually push iodine out of thyroid hormone and it will bind instead.
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So you get a guest and it says your thyroid hormone is is fine.
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You have plenty.
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You're you're I don't know what you're complaining about.
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Why are you tired?
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:32.719
I don't know.
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But the problem is that thyroid hormone has been activated by fluora.
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Fluoride.
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Not iodine, so it's not usable.
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And I just ask, you know, how many people do we know that are thyroid deficient?
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That have these hormone, just I'm tired all the time.
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I don't have to go.
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And they get a blood test and they're told you're completely fine.
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It's because fluoride is deactivating basically the thyroid.
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And this is the crazy part.
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Fluoride was used as a treatment for hyperthyroidism in the 1970s.
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So if your thyroid was overactive, they intentionally gave you fluoride because they know it decreases thyroid function.
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So now what happens?
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Amazing.
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I like to think of the body as basically being pulled by, it's like a cart that being pulled by two horses, the thyroid and the adrenals.
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So they pull equally.
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They should pull equally.
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But if the thyroid hormone just got killed by fluoride, now the adrenal horse has to pull harder.
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And when that adrenal horse pulls harder, it runs out of steam.
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And this is where we see things like adrenal insufficiency and cortisol spikes.
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And here's the crazy part all hormones are made from the same building blocks.
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So if you use up all your hormone building blocks, making extra cortisol to make up for the fluoride-killed thyroid over here, then you don't have enough building blocks to build estrogen and progesterone and testosterone.
00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:04.639
And so your entire hormone access is thrown off because fluoride has interfered with the way that your energy processing system is now working.
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.039
Your thyroid is no longer working because of fluoride.
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So that's strike two.
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.519
I have to say strike three here.
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Strike three was a study early 2025 that showed that higher levels of fluoride directly correlated with lower levels of IQ level, of IQ, particularly in male children.
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They could directly correlate this.
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:27.679
So now I ask, okay, so it didn't eradicate tooth decay.
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:29.199
We still get in cavities.
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:38.480
It leads to bone density issues and fractures, it leads to thyroid problems, which then leads to hormone issues, and it lowers IQ levels in our society at large.
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Is it worth it?
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:56.079
You know, you have just hit five different points that may that I'm visualizing in my head about studies that are coming out, conversations that are have being had about the connection between oral care, your oral microbiome, and your overall health.
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:10.880
This is why I feel like when you go down this rabbit hole, and I'm going down it right now, I've been going down it for probably 15 years, about, you know, the issues in my ears and my eyes and my sinuses can't just be my ears, my sinuses, and my uh and my and my uh eyes.
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:12.480
There's something going on in my mouth.
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.000
Like let's just break it down.
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.760
When you have cavitation and infection, let's look at everything, right?
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:27.920
So you just hit five different spots that I'm just that I could spiral into right now that I feel like are noteworthy when you're going through a complete overhaul of your health.
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.159
And you know, again, when I went when I was in Dr.
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.159
Vane's office, every at you know, and I and I will analogize it this way.
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:41.039
When I found out that breast my breast implants were making me sick, the light bulb went off in my head about all the symptoms that I was having.
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:41.920
When I left Dr.
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:47.679
Vane's office about a month ago, the light bulb went off again because of all the issues that are lingering.
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:55.360
I am, I am, you know, free of all the stuff that I've removed from my body, done every protocol, do all the things, very woo-woo times 10.
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:56.960
But there was still something lingering.
00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:04.000
And I knew I just had this funny suspicion that it was my mouth because I've had I had some dental work done, I had this titanium rod.
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.199
So for me, it's very gratifying to have those aha moments.
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:21.440
And I can't imagine as practitioners how satisfying and how overwhelmed with joy you must become when you see your patients just go, oh, oh my gosh, she's found out why I'm so sick all the time, or why my hormones are off, or why I'm, you know, whatever it might be.
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:29.840
You know, the oral health, overall wellness, whole body component is so important because it is so it is there, right?
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.840
Our mouth is a precursor to everything else going on in our body.
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:34.400
And Dr.
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.840
Vane, this question is for you before we do some rapid fire.
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.440
Um okay, yeah, we'll finish this up right now.
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.840
Um, we'll do some rapid fire now then.
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:44.320
Yeah, okay.
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:50.719
So this has been a great conversation, and I know that everybody watching and listening will see the connection between oral health and whole body wellness.
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:51.920
Rapid fire, real quick.
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Dr.
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.760
Vane, one dental ingredient or material you absolutely avoid.
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I think I know the answer.
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:01.119
Oh, well, I can name three that come to the top of my head first.
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.159
Mercury, fluoride, and triclosan.
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:05.519
Perfect.
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:06.000
Dr.
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.400
Michelle, biggest red flag in a dentist.
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We probably know this one already.
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.039
Somebody who's not willing to actually look at the research and change what they do based on what they see.
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:15.760
Got it.
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:16.480
Dr.
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:20.320
Vane, most underrated habit for long-term and systemic health.
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.559
Underrated habit for long-term and systemic health.
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.719
Most underrated habit for long-term and what came to mind first was gut detox.
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:39.119
Doing a lot of gut re-re-establishing your microbiome, oral, and your gut microbiome is is big connection there.
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:39.760
And Dr.
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.039
Michelle, one change people should make starting today.
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Don't use toothpaste or mouthwash that you cannot pronounce the ingredients in.
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.679
Let alone, let alone if there are 25 ingredients.
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.119
So before we wrap up, Dr.
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:57.280
Michelle, I know you've got some events that are coming up.
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:04.000
I'd like for you to share what those are so that my listeners can either, if there's something they can participate in, but you have something coming up in California.
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:05.599
Why don't you share what that is and when?
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:15.360
Yeah, so in June 26th through 28th at the absolutely gorgeous 1440 multiversity campus that's just north of San Jose, California.
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.719
It's up in the Redwoods.
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.639
We have a women's wellness weekend that's being headlined by myself, Dr.
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:25.840
Darla Booth, who's incredible, talking about inflammation and inflammaging is what she calls it.
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:27.119
And hormonal help.
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:27.840
Love that.
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:35.760
And Mindy Pels, who has been all over the news lately with her fast like a girl, age like a girl information.
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:40.159
So we are going to be joined by an aesthetician, by a pelvic floor specialist.
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.119
It's weekend all for women.
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:44.880
How to become our best selves.
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.039
And the title of it is How to Thrive in Our Season.
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:49.920
So basically, wherever we're at right now, how can we feel our best?
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:53.920
So we would love for you to join us because this is an all-inclusive event.
00:56:54.079 --> 00:57:02.559
You get your lodging, your food, which is spectacular food, the gorgeous surroundings, all of the education, as well as yoga and all kinds of fun stuff.
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:04.000
I was just started this last weekend.
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:05.360
So I can tell you all about it.
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:06.239
It's so incredible.
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:07.519
We would love for anybody to join us.
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.840
Well, where does someone get this information and how does one get them uh get in touch with you, Dr.
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:12.320
Michelle?
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:12.719
Yep.
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.760
So 1440.org is where you're gonna go for uh information, or also contact me.
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:18.880
Living Well with Dr.
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:20.400
Michelle is where you're gonna find me.
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:21.599
So living well with Dr.
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:22.079
Michelle.
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:22.800
I love that.
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:23.199
Dr.
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.840
Nicole, anything exciting going on that you want to share with us before we part?
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.119
No, I'm just excited to take more trainings.
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:33.119
I love working and training under Dr.
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:33.840
Michelle.
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:40.159
She has a great teaching facility for dentists that are more interested in learning the wellness and biologic path.
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:54.239
And for me, I would just invite anyone into the office to um be able to help them correlate maybe what their symptoms are that they're suffering from with uh a full body scan and doing the full CT scan.
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:54.719
Yeah.
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:55.280
Yeah.
00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:13.440
Well, I can tell you guys firsthand, for those of you who are listening or watching before we wrap it up, you know, if you are on this journey of really figuring out what's going on with you, whether you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, in my case I'll be 60, there is a huge connection between your oral health and your over your overall body wellness.
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:18.480
And if you are interested in learning more about this, reach out to me, reach out to either doctor.
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:20.320
Uh, they do televisits, I'm sure.
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.920
And if not, we can probably reach out to you in terms of how they can work with you.
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:25.440
But there is a huge connection.
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:37.280
And especially if you're women with hormone issues, I'm telling you right now firsthand, go have your mouth looked at by a biologic dentist, first and foremost, because that will be the precursor to what else is going on in your body.
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.960
I am living it right now, and I can't wait to have surgery done by you, Dr.
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:41.360
Vane.
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.639
Get rid of these cavitations, get rid of all the nonsense in my mouth.
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:54.559
Because I am telling you, I am my own science project, I am my own advocate, and I am grateful for both of you for being pioneers in this field, for being, you know, forward leadership for both of you.
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:59.199
You're women that are just a force to be reckoned with, and I am so honored to have you both on here today.
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.639
So thank you for taking the time.
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.400
Thank you for your nuggets of wisdom.
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:07.599
Thank you for all of the educational components of this podcast interview today.
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:08.960
So I appreciate both of you.
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:11.920
And if you have any questions, direct message me.
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.159
I will get you in touch with either of these doctors.
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.840
As always, stay tuned for the next episode of Under Contract.
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Make those contract commitments to yourself and honor them.
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Peace out.